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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, good morning. Do you talk good good morning

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<v Speaker 2>to you? And you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah we should. I should add jazz hands

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<v Speaker 2>to that. Yeah, hey, Rich, I don't know what what

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<v Speaker 2>the heck was that? But hey, good morning everybody. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the Bible Guys. We appreciate you tuning in or

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<v Speaker 2>watching whatever you're doing, but thank you for choosing us.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, that's amazing, and what a day to tune in

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<v Speaker 1>because you got good morning song.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we have a would you rather segment?

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<v Speaker 1>I love? Would you rather?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Chris, I'm gonna start, and I'm gonna ask

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<v Speaker 1>you first, go ahead. Would you rather always know the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect comeback or always know the perfect joke?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? You know me, I already know this is gonna be.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna choose the perfect comeback because you like to

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<v Speaker 2>be clever, and I'm gonna choose the perfect joke because

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<v Speaker 2>I like it funny. I like to be funny, and

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<v Speaker 2>I love humor more than I do. Like to be clever.

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<v Speaker 2>I love I like to be clever too. I just

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<v Speaker 2>like humor more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like I like the comebacks, so yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have chosen that one. That's awesome. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you nailed it.

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<v Speaker 2>You nailed that, I know you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, neverber too.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you rather never have to do laundry again you

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<v Speaker 2>probably don't do it now, or never have to wash

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<v Speaker 2>dishes again? Do you wash dishes? You wash?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? You cook a lot, cook a lot, so you

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<v Speaker 2>make your messages a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I would prefer to never have to do dishes again.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really? Yeah, yeah, to be honest with you, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Do do laundry sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you My wife does the laundry ninety five percent?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and my wife does it often.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I would say uh, but I would say

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<v Speaker 2>that every once in a while I will do it

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, And then it's sort of the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife just has the habit of doing dish is

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<v Speaker 2>more often than I do. It's a reminder she really

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<v Speaker 2>likes it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of her favorite things.

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<v Speaker 2>As I'm saying it out loud, I'm reminded that I

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<v Speaker 2>should probably do the dishes, but you know what she does,

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<v Speaker 2>she loads it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would do it, but she likes it so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to take that away from doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I actually like washing dishes more than I like

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<v Speaker 2>washing laundry, so I would say I would rather never

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<v Speaker 1>So I love cooking, but I cook with every pot,

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<v Speaker 1>pan and dish we have in the room. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's terrible. Yeah. So when I'm done, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>you know I made, I made a meal that barely

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<v Speaker 1>fits on you know, that fits on like six plates,

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<v Speaker 1>and the whole kitchen is destroyed. Yeah, so we look

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<v Speaker 1>at it and go here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you rather always get free dessert at restaurants or

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<v Speaker 1>always get free appetizers?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? I already know immediately. And again this is you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have to think you're gonna be desserts. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be appetizing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh actually, I think it might be appetized. Now. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe Jesus has come back at any minute. You shud

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<v Speaker 1>eat dessert first. That's one of my core values. But

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<v Speaker 1>I order appetizers way more than I ordered desserts.

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<v Speaker 2>At restaurants, and you enjoy them more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I order them more. Ah, So I'd rather get

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<v Speaker 1>those free because I'm already spending money on.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go, there you go. So it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's.

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<v Speaker 1>A it's practical math. It's practicality. Yeah, yeah, math. But

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<v Speaker 1>you like appetizers better than desserts, well I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a dessert person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>A sweet because you don't like chocolate. Well I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean you're barely a Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm barely a sweet person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went to Season's fifty two. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>promote a good restaurant. But they have they have little

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<v Speaker 2>tiny desserts.

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<v Speaker 1>And shot glass Yeah I love those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's the perfect two bites, three bites, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't have to like, you know, like kill

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<v Speaker 2>yourself for this dessert. But as she went up and

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<v Speaker 2>she was turning the dessert trade and she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>we have these ten desserts, right, actually thought to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>I only like two of them, and all my kids

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<v Speaker 2>are like, I can't choose, and I'm like I barely

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<v Speaker 2>liked one of them or two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So the last time you came to my house, I

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<v Speaker 1>had those little tiny cheese cake bites. Yeah, yeah, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>remember those. Yeah, you are good you get two little bites. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah for dessert. Those are good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just too rich for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's rich.

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<v Speaker 2>So number three okay, oh no, number four. Would you

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<v Speaker 2>rather live in a cozy small town or a bustling.

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<v Speaker 1>Big This is an easy one for both of us too.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd rather be in the big city and I'd rather

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<v Speaker 1>be in the cozy small town. That's right, Yeahcthough I

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<v Speaker 1>love small towns, but.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife would much rather be in the small town.

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<v Speaker 2>So I married the opposite of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yeah, But why do you love the big city?

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<v Speaker 2>I get energized around people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I like, for instance, we walked through the

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<v Speaker 2>city of New York. We've all been there twice, Liz

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<v Speaker 2>and I. But we go through the city and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, man, this is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I've been are more, but just twice with her,

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<v Speaker 2>and and I've and I've said like, this is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I walk through it and I'm like, whoa, that

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<v Speaker 2>was an adventure. Getting from here to there is great.

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<v Speaker 2>And She's like, oh, thank god, we're off those streets

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<v Speaker 2>and we're sitting in this in this restaurant and by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, there's too many people in this restaurant, right,

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<v Speaker 2>we should have chosen the other one because it had

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<v Speaker 2>less people on it. Yeah, that's what she said. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what she says, right, And I'm thinking to myself, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that was that was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So every time I'm in a city like New York

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<v Speaker 1>Now I like Chicago, but it's it's all the same.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the big cities smell like garbage. They do,

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<v Speaker 1>and people honk it the horn before the light even

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<v Speaker 1>turns yellow on the other side, and are mostly rude

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<v Speaker 1>because everybody's like just elbowing to get to get their position.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in New York City, I've been in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City, I don't know five times. Every single day

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<v Speaker 1>i've been in New York City, I've seen rats in

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<v Speaker 1>the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>Every day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, is this a developing name? So smells like garbage?

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<v Speaker 1>And every single day I've ever been in in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City, I've seen rats and I just man alive

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<v Speaker 1>right for everyone you see, Yeah, you know there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>millions you haven't seen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I love

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<v Speaker 1>small towns. I love the small town thing anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So with Liz would definitely agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you rather be instantly be able to instantly master

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<v Speaker 1>any board game or any video game?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna go with board games for me, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna go with video games for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go with neither. Why Yeah, because uh have

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<v Speaker 1>the fun of the game is mastering the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but you have to pick one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not picking one.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it says would you rather I Uh? Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna ruin board games for you or ruin

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<v Speaker 2>video games, what should you rather know?

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<v Speaker 1>I like them both?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but you gotta ruin one.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to ruin one. Uh, video games, believe it

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<v Speaker 1>or not. Oh wow, because the board game thing is

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<v Speaker 1>something I do with the family and vida games, you

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<v Speaker 1>should somebody do by it myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good, that's a good, good reasoning, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah wow.

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<v Speaker 2>The insight into into the mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the mind of Jeff. There you go, speaking about

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<v Speaker 1>getting insights into the mind. We are you gonna do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I was gonna say no, no, no, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Finish, please please, please you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, speaking of insights from brilliant minds,

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to give you a compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus was pretty brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, we have another brilliant mind who

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<v Speaker 2>was actually quite more brilliant than you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yes, I just like being said my name

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<v Speaker 1>in the same sentence sentence as Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we are, we are all made in his image.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice, So we all call you very nice, very complimentary today. Chris, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a Jersey Vitamins. Today's flintstone vitamins just make you

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<v Speaker 1>feel better today. Those weren't vitamins. Those are CBD gummies.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel better till today. I love you, man, No sir, nohing, okay, okay, shoot,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so stand against that.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna we're gonna jump into Matthew chapter five. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going backwards today for some reason because.

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<v Speaker 1>People weren't ready for this one yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, here we get a prep for this, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Matthew Chapter five, verse thirty eight. So we're still

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<v Speaker 1>in the Sermon on the Mountain. Yep, Jesus said, you've

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<v Speaker 1>heard the law that says punishment must match the injury,

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<v Speaker 1>an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

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<v Speaker 1>But I say, do not resist an evil person. If

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<v Speaker 1>someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're suit in court and your shure it's taken

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<v Speaker 1>from you, give your coat too. If a soldier demands

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<v Speaker 1>that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it

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<v Speaker 1>two miles. Give to those who ask, and don't turn

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<v Speaker 1>away from those who want to borrow. You've heard the

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<v Speaker 1>law that says love your neighbor and hate your enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>But I say love your enemies, pray for those who

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<v Speaker 1>persecute you. In that way, you will be acting as

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<v Speaker 1>true children of your father in heaven, For he gives

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<v Speaker 1>his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and

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<v Speaker 1>he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.

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<v Speaker 1>If you well of only those who love you, what

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<v Speaker 1>reward is there for that? Even crupt tax collectors do

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<v Speaker 1>that much. If you're kind only to your friends, how

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<v Speaker 1>are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know those words are very intimidating. Be perfect therefore

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<v Speaker 2>as your heavenly father is perfect. Sometimes I can see why,

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<v Speaker 2>than that is not good. Right. We've all seen enough

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<v Speaker 2>God wants us to sin less, even though that will

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<v Speaker 2>break that down, and what you do is you compare

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<v Speaker 2>it to other scriptures. You compare it to You know,

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<v Speaker 2>God's words is never going to contradict itself. The Bible

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<v Speaker 2>is its own best commentary. We always say that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so therefore you can't take that at face value. Legalists,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're out there and you're a legalist, you probably

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<v Speaker 2>don't number one, know that you're a legalist. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's all about laws and enforcing God's rules and

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<v Speaker 2>verses like this that maybe you can take perhaps a

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you know, the the law has a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of purposes. One of them is to show that we

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<v Speaker 1>can't keep the law perfectly. The fact that we need

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<v Speaker 1>a savior. So the people who focus primarily and only

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<v Speaker 1>on grace reject all the other purposes of the law. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>but the law also shows us a better way to live.

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<v Speaker 1>When when when when we have a society of people

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<v Speaker 1>who are following God's laws out of fear of God,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not stealing other people's stuff, it makes a better society.

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<v Speaker 1>a better society. So so when we follow God's laws,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also better. It's a better life. And so he

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<v Speaker 1>stresses our families. Right, it stresses everything. So the engineer

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<v Speaker 1>of our and designer of human life knows the best ways.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we see the laws of God as when

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<v Speaker 1>law in a different way. So on one side, if

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<v Speaker 1>the lawges proofs to us we can't, right. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>why the Pharisees were such a problem, because the Pharisees thought,

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<v Speaker 1>But if you see the laws as these will set

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<v Speaker 1>you up for peak performance, then it's inspiration. Right. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you read a passage like this, be perfect even

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<v Speaker 1>as your Father and Heaven as perfect. The word perfect

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<v Speaker 1>in our minds means sinless. The Greek word for perfect

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<v Speaker 1>means complete, lacking nothing. That's the meaning of complete. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that standpoint, then we can look at God's character, we

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<v Speaker 2>You think that the word perfect could be a poor translation,

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<v Speaker 2>It could have been better translated as complete.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that English speakers knew the meaning of perfect

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<v Speaker 1>It means complete when we say it in English in

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<v Speaker 1>There's a completeness to it. There's a note here as

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<v Speaker 1>Life Application Study Bible, and it says, how can we

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<v Speaker 1>be perfect one in character? Right? But in this life

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<v Speaker 1>So these are inspirational verses right where he's inspiring us

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<v Speaker 1>grow towards maturity and wholeness. Just as we expect different

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<v Speaker 1>And then in love, we can seek to love others

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<v Speaker 1>I see you beyond time. In Christ I've already completed you.

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<v Speaker 1>father is compassionate. And one Peter, he says, be holy

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be great, yeah, yeah, and he'll probably be thrilled, Yes, thrilled.

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<v Speaker 2>So oftentimes we quote the you know, the the study

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<v Speaker 2>Verson? So, yeah, it does say that is something about completeness.

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<v Speaker 2>It says, who can be as perfect as God? No

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<v Speaker 1>loving my enemies. Correct, But how many times have we

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<v Speaker 1>had conversations, We've had choices where you and I have

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<v Speaker 1>sad in meetings when we knew somebody had pitted themselves

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<v Speaker 1>as our enemy or were angry at us in a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and we pivoted and said, let us be as generous

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<v Speaker 1>and as kind and as loving as possible to this person.

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<v Speaker 1>And even while they're calling us every name in the

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<v Speaker 1>book and angry at us. Right, we've had these conversations before,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not that, oh, wow, look how good of

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<v Speaker 1>a Christian they are. It's a choice to treat them

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<v Speaker 1>well when they're treating us poorly. And when we do that,

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<v Speaker 1>we're acting like God's children then. And so there is

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<v Speaker 1>this choice, and it's a part of that maturity. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I love the note here in the Life Application

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<v Speaker 1>Bible saying, just as parents have different expectations for babies

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<v Speaker 1>versus toddlers, versus children, versus teenagers, versus young adults versus

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<v Speaker 1>mature adults, I think God has a different perspective on us.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things he wants us to begin

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<v Speaker 1>to learn is, Hey, you're going to be tempted to

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<v Speaker 1>treat them like an enemy. What would it look like

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<v Speaker 1>if you started just making the hard decision to love

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<v Speaker 1>them this time? Right? And so earlier in this passage

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<v Speaker 1>it says, I say to you, love your enemies, pray

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<v Speaker 1>for your enemies. And Luke he goes on and preaches

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<v Speaker 1>the same message, and he says, love your enemies, pray

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<v Speaker 1>for enemies, do good to your enemies. So it's easy

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<v Speaker 1>for me to say I love my enemies. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>love my enemies, and you don't know praying for my enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>I can pray words, but you don't know. I can

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<v Speaker 1>pray words and still have a bad attitude. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to do good to my enemy. I just have

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<v Speaker 1>to choose to do good in some way to be

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<v Speaker 1>a blessing. And so there is a choice to that,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is us acting like children of God. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not so I can go to heaven. It's because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to heaven. It's not so I can be saved.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because He saved me. Now I wear his name.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't just go get to go do whatever I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do. Now I'm supposed to be looking more

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<v Speaker 1>and more and more like him. And if I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to grow up and I'm not going to stay you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stuck as a toddler spiritually, well, then that means I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to make some grown up decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, when we hear the word enemies,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes we may think I don't know enemies, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like we think of like, you know, enemies on the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite side of a war something, right, But that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the definition of enemies. The definition of enemy could be

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who is perhaps pitting themselves against you in a meeting, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet they're really not your true enemy, but yet

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<v Speaker 2>they're behaving like an enemy to your well being in

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<v Speaker 2>that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's varying degrees, right. So just like yesterday when

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<v Speaker 2>you said there's very degrees of worry and you said,

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<v Speaker 2>like the far end of worry is terror, right right,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is true. So the far end of enemies

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<v Speaker 2>could be you know, al Qaeda, yeah, right. But then

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<v Speaker 2>you can have a coworker who's truly not your friend,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, maybe like a good acquaintance who maybe

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps has malicious intent in a moment because they're having

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<v Speaker 2>a weak moment or something like that. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>sort of slip into the category of like not your

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<v Speaker 2>friend in that moment, which is sort of in the

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<v Speaker 2>category of an enemy. So there's very degrees, which means

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<v Speaker 2>God calls us not just to okay, fine, if I

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<v Speaker 2>ever into contact with you know, somebody oversees that, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>love them. Yeah no, no, no, that's not what God's saying.

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<v Speaker 2>God saying as you go through life, to love anybody

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<v Speaker 2>who's not your true friend. Love every treat everybody with

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<v Speaker 2>respect and love and forgiveness and kindness who pits themselves

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<v Speaker 2>against you, even in a weak moment, because that is

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<v Speaker 2>the character of Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a survey one time, and I asked, how

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<v Speaker 1>many of you have preaching this message? And I did

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<v Speaker 1>how many of you have enemies? And I just forget.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody would raise her and say, oh, I know I've

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<v Speaker 1>got enemies. And I had this lady go, I do

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<v Speaker 1>not have any enemies. And I stood there for I

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<v Speaker 1>was caught off guard for a second. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>small group. It wasn't a preaching thing. It was a small,

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<v Speaker 1>small group, maybe forty people, And so I was like, really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said yeah. I said, oh, I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>misunderstanding my question, right, I'm asking you. You think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>asking have you chosen to be enemies against somebody?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And she goes, I don't have a single enemy. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have anybody who treats you bad, and she goes,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, And the lady sitting next to her starts

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<v Speaker 1>this starts their whispering, you know, back and forth, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, so it doesn't have to be that you've

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<v Speaker 1>chosen enemies. And then God says, love those people you've

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<v Speaker 1>chosen to hate, right. It's also those people who've decided

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<v Speaker 1>to pit themselves against you and work against you. And

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus said, if you're a follower of me, people will

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<v Speaker 1>hate you, right. And it's even those people that have

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<v Speaker 1>decided to make us their enemy, even though we're not

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<v Speaker 1>choosing them to be our enemies. We love everybody, even

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<v Speaker 1>if they've chosen to make us their enemy for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>they're working against us. They don't like our faith, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't like our politics, they don't like they don't like

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<v Speaker 1>something about it. They don't like our race, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>like the neighborhood we live in, they don't like the

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<v Speaker 1>job we have. I don't know. They don't like our family,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've just decided to work against us. Jesus says,

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<v Speaker 1>love them also, And so a lot of us can

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<v Speaker 1>be a little bit fair, say, and we go, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I love everybody. This verse doesn't apply to me. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's people who've pitted themselves against you, and every one

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<v Speaker 1>of us has people like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Yeah, that's right, and it could be in

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<v Speaker 2>the smallest of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, yep, So love them, do good love.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, love them. Okay, that's a great place to end,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will pick up tomorrow and hopefully we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>that on the Bible. Guys, M.