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Now, you've all heard of ChatGPT. At some point, everyone's used an AI chatbot now.

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But what if I told you this week, not one, but two brand new AI tools just dropped

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that will change the way you interact with AI on a daily basis?

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The first was released by OpenAI called Group Chats, which, in my opinion,

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is going to kill iMessage. It's going to change text and group messaging forever.

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And the second is called NanoBanana Pro, released by none other than Google

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themselves, their new text-to-image generation model powered by the almighty

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and all-powerful Gemini Pro 3.

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There's so much to unpack with these tools, so I want to get right into it.

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But Josh, I haven't seen you in a while.

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For context of the listeners, Josh and I have been traveling this entire week,

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so I haven't caught up with Josh. Josh, like, what's been going on?

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I've had a really, really good week. A huge week in my life. Very exciting times.

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I think it's probably time to share with the audience kind of like what's been

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going on more behind the scenes in my personal life, if that's cool with you.

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I shared a few photos, but if you don't mind, us walking through them.

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Okay yeah yeah yeah so um yeah married married this weekend which was really

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exciting yeah you just i'm not sure if you knew that i am friends with quite

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a few celebrities um beyonce tom cruise,

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um josh what the hell yeah is that kendall.

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Jenner are you

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Going to congratulate me or are you just going to stare wait.

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Dude i'm just looking through these pics

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There's another one yeah down the aisle okay

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it's a very beautiful wedding very grateful to have people like beyonce around

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with me leo dicaprio you know all the homies oh you're

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skipping too far ahead man it's the after party i mean the after

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party was great was in good company we had uh we had elon sundar

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tim cook all you know all of the homies they

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were all just kind of hanging out afterwards talking shop talking about the future

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of AI and then honeymoon afterwards which was pretty

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eventful I really enjoyed yeah I went to

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the beach well you had a good time undisclosed location you know when you roll

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with high high people like that you can't really talk about what you're doing

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but also just kidding this is all AI because there's the photo with Elon as

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well and this is just like so while we were preparing for this episode I was

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like well let's just try to use nano banana and come up with some dumb, funny stuff.

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And it works so well. This is a fully AI generated version. Granted,

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they gave Elon probably a couple more packs on his gut than he really has in person.

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It looks great. And it's a testament to...

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Not to scale. It's a testament to how amazing these new AI image generation

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models are. They are fantastic.

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This is the official announcement released from Sundar. Nano Banana Pro is out.

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The images you just saw earlier, those are all done with a single prompt in Nano Banana.

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We mentioned it in the roundup last week, but I figured it would be good to

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have an episode about this and

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the group chats because there's a lot more than I think we spoke about.

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And as I've used it more, I've started to learn a lot more about the capabilities

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and it is blowing my mind across the spectrum.

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One of the things that's unique to the new model is that it's really good at

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understanding diagrams for some reason. Diagrams is the hot new use case.

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So we have a lot of examples that we could walk through. One of them is with Notebook LM.

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This is Google's AI tool that integrates with Nano Banana. And it shows an infographic

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to a book. So this is an author who posted this.

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And the author has a story that he tells through the book.

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So what Notebook does, it ingests the content of the book,

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turns it into a visual graphic and then

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plots all of the plot like the plot elements and

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the characters and the the context all onto a map so you could kind of see how

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the book is visually and yeah you could keep going through these examples and

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if you're not listening i highly suggest going to spotify or youtube watching

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this because the examples are are pretty incredible these are cool yeah you

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just have you had a chance to play around with this at all the new i i.

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Actually haven't so this dropped what like three days

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ago now josh very recently i haven't i've been able to get around to it but

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i have to say like i i'm comparing this my other checkpoint was with nano banana

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version one and this is just so much better i mean the fidelity on these things

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the intricacies of these diagrams like i wish i had these

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or like high school or college. Yeah.

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Because this would help me learn things in so many different ways. This is awesome.

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Wow. It's cool. And if you have a book that you like, you can just upload the

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book and it will create a full visual diagram, plot line, the whole thing of the book.

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And it doesn't stop there. There's an example that I saw that I loved,

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which was for LinkedIn, people who are looking for jobs, people who want to

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and it will create a career path for you. In whatever theme that you want.

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It's already a better product than LinkedIn, Josh.

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Oh, yeah, right. How cool is this? So what you're seeing on screen here is like,

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okay, the person started maybe in high school or college.

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It shows the railroad track, how they're going through their career.

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It looks like they're at Google from 2009 to the present.

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all the accomplishments they've done, their kind of journey through their career.

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It's really, really cool.

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probably a testament to the new creative unlocks that we'll see as people start

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to learn more about Nano Banana and understand how it works.

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Just like how impressively fun it can be across the spectrum.

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If you're looking for a job, this is a great way to stand out.

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Josh, what about this? This is insane. So for those of you who are listening,

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these are all of Josh's friends who, funnily enough, turned up to his fake wedding.

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I'm actually upset that you aren't actually with Kendall Jenner because you

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guys are such a great couple in that image.

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I'm sure many people are gonna give that a go but right now i'm staring at an

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and we have iron man we've got tony stark we've got wolf of wall street leo

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dicaprio we've got zendaya in in the spider man costume what happened to tom

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holland we've got um beyonce j-lo so many people what is going on here you know what it is josh um

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It's so like strikingly accurate. It's way more accurate. It's less fake.

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Like I'm looking at these and I'm like, you know what? If I was looking at this

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from afar, this would be totally convincing if this was posted on social media.

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the celebrities. It just asked for celebrities and it gave them all of these.

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A lot of these examples, they use actual faces, actual people.

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it does feel like a bit of a slippery slope, but I'm loving it because it's

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just so much fun to play around with.

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so it's like TikTok, but AI-generated videos, when it first launched,

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it was using celebrity media to create a bunch of cameos.

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Do you remember this? I was looking at Jake Paul. I was looking at Tom Cruise.

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I was looking at a bunch of these celebrities that were looking on our screen

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right now in a video with me or with my friends. And I was like,

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whoa, this is strikingly realistic.

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to cameo with those celebrities because of the copyright things.

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right? Because I can imagine that some of these celebrities in this picture

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will be fine with doing that.

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But other celebrities probably would hate that.

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So I'm curious how they're going to tread that line as to what's legal and what's illegal here.

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I really hope they keep their foot on the gas because I'm enjoying this.

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But EJ, you also mentioned education, learning as ways to learn.

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There are tons of educational tools here. This one being one of my favorites.

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The post says, until a few hours ago, creating this kind of scientific image

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would have required at least an hour of professional work.

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Now with Nano Banana Pro, it takes a simple prompt and less than 30 seconds.

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recognizing and killing a cancer cell.

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And it created this beautiful graphic that very clearly shows how a cell can kill a cancer cell.

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you could ask the model to describe to you basically anything you want and it

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can create these educational visual graphics that used to be only available

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to people in textbooks and limited in scope to whatever the textbook was talking about.

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this is another example here.

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So on the screen, we're seeing this kind of diagram that shows a horse's mouth and the teeth.

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And in a single prompt, it was able to generate a visual guide that shows you

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on a spectrum how old the horse would be based on what the teeth look like.

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ever wanna learn about, not only can you do it, but you can get a completely

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high fidelity, high accuracy visual graphic on anything and then share that with the world.

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have this visual companion tool is so cool.

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So Nano Banana Pro, again, this is just like the onion that keeps getting peeled

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back. There are so many layers to what it's capable of.

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And as we go, we'll just continue to find more. And I'm loving playing around with it.

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Yeah, I mean, being such a visual learner myself, I could have really used and

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will continue to use something like this going forwards when I learn any brand new concept.

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Like when I was if I go back to the tweet where it's like showing how this T

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cell kills a cancer cell.

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I've read so many paragraphs in my grade school literature books,

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science books explaining how this works. But if I had this kind of like clear,

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succinct image for every single concept that I didn't understand,

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I'd probably have done a lot, lot better.

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So this is super cool. I'm excited about how this kind of like changes performance

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for kids growing up with AI.

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It's kind of weird to think that like now any kid being born today will not

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know what it was like to grow up without having AI as a tool to kind of help them learn things.

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So this is like really game changing stuff. You may not see it immediately in

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front of you on TikTok, on social media, but you will see it in the realms of education,

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kind of work progress, and kind of like building each other's careers up,

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you know, to reference the example that you used earlier on in their lives. So this is super cool.

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Josh, how do I get access to something like this?

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I'm seeing, you know, Google AI Ultra subscribers get access,

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but is that all? Are there other ways to do this?

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So if you're a pro subscriber, you get access to it for $20 a month.

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And what we're seeing here on this post actually is the next

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extension of nano banana pro because if you're

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an ultra subscriber and you use the google flow studio you can

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actually turn these images into videos and all

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the fun images that we just saw created earlier in the day and if

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you scroll down a little bit you can see you could generate actual movies

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with them so none of this stuff that you're seeing on

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screen is real um it was all generated with an image and then the image was

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animated so if you want to do like if I wanted to walk down the aisle per se

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swimming in the ocean or whatever it may be because again it has all the image

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And it very much feels like there's a clear trend here. And that's Nano Banana.

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There's so much fun to be had there. You can make some images,

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you can animate the images, turn them into movies, graphics,

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videos, whatever you want.

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The options are limitless. And this really feels like one of the first times in the world of visuals.

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Oh yeah, they really messed up my face there.

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Man. I can't get over this image. Dude, they messed up your face.

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They messed up your face. Everything else is nailed.

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They're missing a few apps on the bottom. They could have refined a little bit more.

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I think so. Listen, Kendall, if you're listening to this, I already know you're

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listening to this. You look beautiful. We're not hating on you.

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Feel free to reach out to the podcast if you want to feature on it.

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Or me if you just want to call me.

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Yep, yep, yep. If you want to make this a reality, we're all about manifesting realities here.

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What a crazy tool. I think like aside from social media, this is going to be

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used for so many other wonderful things.

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I think people see a tool like this, Josh, and they're kind of like, oh, who cares?

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A bunch of fake social media misinformation that their minds kind of jump to the negative sense.

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But I think this is going to be used for a lot of positive good,

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including manifesting who we're going to marry.

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So let's get that going. As always, it's a tool. It cuts both ways.

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But that is not the only cool tool today, EJ. We got another one from OpenAI.

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Right. Enter my realm. This is the tool I'm most pumped about, Josh.

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I've been waiting for this for a while because ever since ChatGPT got released,

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my number one request, aside from memory, was...

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Can I share these conversations with my friends? Can I have these AI discussions with my friends?

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which basically allows you to have the same chat GPT conversation that you guys

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have every day, but invite your friends to collaborate on it.

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Now, before we go any further, I need to give you guys a breakdown as to what the hell this thing is.

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collaborate with each other. and ChatGPT.

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So there's two main key features.

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in your text messages, in your iMessages, wherever you text with your friends and your family.

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So let's say you're planning a weekend trip and you're talking to friends.

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kind of rule out other options, and stuff like that.

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But there are also other forms of stuff that you can do with it, Josh.

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One example is hands on work, which honestly, I could use or benefit a lot from

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this, which is projects like designing a backyard garden.

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I have a terrace that is currently unadorned with furniture.

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And I'm like, how the hell do I figure out what this looks like,

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I can just take a picture, put it in a group chat with my girlfriend.

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And I can discuss kind of like what kinds of furniture preferences we like,

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where we want to put furniture, what kind of size dimensions,

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where should we order it from? How long is it going to take?

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Stuff like that. And AI can just kind of like outsource. I can outsource all of that to ChatGPT.

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And the final part, Josh, I don't know if you have any siblings.

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I have a sister. We argue all the time about a bunch of decisions that we're

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going to do for the family.

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Group decisions. I can now add ChatGPT and prove to her that I'm right about

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most things here, right?

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But all jokes aside, I think this is a really cool feature in the sense that

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it's going to help people in general be way more productive.

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And the way I kind of look at it is rather than me kind of like having this

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siloed app that I use that I speak and communicate with different people and

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then going to ChatGPT to kind of fact check things, this should all be one thing completely.

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And so I'm all for this. And I think it's a really smart move from OpenAI because

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they're just going to get so much more data on everyone's behavioral habits,

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which is going to lead to just better products coming out of them.

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I mean, there's a reason why you and I keep using OpenAI products.

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It's because they've tied that bow on the product loop so well.

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And this is just another example.

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Oh, what a great growth hack. I really, I really believe that Meta probably

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envies this strongly because they have the whole community, they have the ecosystem,

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They just never paired them together.

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happen on social media, it happens in group chats.

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Group chats are the biggest way that people really communicate.

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And by integrating AI into that, it's such a powerful unlock.

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And for people who aren't familiar, previously, if you wanted to share a conversation

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that you had in chat GPT with a friend, you had to share the whole conversation that you had.

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And then they could open it up and they can fork it and they could create their

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own conversation from it. But it wasn't a very collaborative thing.

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It was very one-sided, read-only.

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This bakes it into the entire process. So if you have friends who all have ChatGPT,

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because now there's probably a billion weekly active users.

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So my guess is at least a couple of them already have it. You just add them to the app.

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You guys can chat. You have the best assistant in the world.

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I assume there's going to be a world in which it can collect multiple email

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addresses, calendars, sync up events that you want to do, check when everyone's

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free without sharing when everyone's free and create times that everyone can hang out.

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There's just this hugely powerful unlock that happens as group chats evolve in ChatGPT.

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And as I'm going through this, I'm like, okay, well, Meta should have done this.

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Apple should have done this.

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Google i don't know if google could have done it but those are the top two but

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it just leaves me like man this was this was low-hanging fruit and again like

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you said ejaz another product with another viral loop that will get open ai

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and chat gpt way more users way

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more stickiness just continuing to pile on the value into this app yeah.

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I couldn't agree more they're just like that they're hitting repeated home runs

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out the park um the if you're wondering you know how the hell do you get access

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to this it's available to you right now free pro uh premium whatever all the

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plans are, you have access to it.

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Simply go to any conversation that you've started with ChatGPT and on the top

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right hand side, you're going to see a people icon with a plus sign.

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If you tap that, you'll get a shareable link that you can share with up to 20

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friends or you can invite up to 20 friends to your conversation.

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And what it does is it creates a copy of that conversation into another version of that conversation.

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It's like one-to-one, but you have a private version where you've started that

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conversation, then you have the other one where it has all your friends.

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And it separates the information between the two.

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So I can imagine some of the worries that people have is like,

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well, I have a lot of personal information that I've shared with ChatGPT that

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I don't want my friends to know about.

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So is it going to share certain memories that it has about me with my friends?

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It's complete privacy. These are two separate databases. This is just to help

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you kind of interact with your friends more and create something cool.

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Josh, another really cool part about this that I haven't seen too many people

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talk about is in order to enable this feature,

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the OpenAI team built some very specific social behaviors for ChatGPT to interact

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with people in the group chat.

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So I'll give you an example. So typically, it's been taught to just,

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you know, kind of keep quiet, don't interrupt too much.

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It interrupts only when it thinks it can have a useful kind of suggestion,

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or when it's kind of like prompted.

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So you can add ChatGPT in any kind of response that you have to your friends

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to kind of prompt it to say something.

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But otherwise, it might just kind of like, but in here and there.

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Another really cool thing, Josh, is that it emoji reacts to people's messages,

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just like a real person would. So if it kind of like agrees with you,

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if it agrees with you, but it doesn't necessarily want to be like,

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hey, Josh, that's a fantastic suggestion, just gives you a thumbs up or might give you a winky face.

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I don't I don't know, but it kind of interacts like a real human being.

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You can kind of tweak its personality depending and it evolves with the group conversation.

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Let's say, you know, it's a group chat with the boys and it's a bit more banterist.

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It'll kind of adjust to that versus if it's kind of like a more kind of like

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tame thing with the family, it'll adjust to that. It'll be more respectful.

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It also has access to your profile and your profile pictures.

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So let's say you want to say, hey, guys, it's Christmas time.

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We're planning a big party.

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I can't wait for this, guys. I'm so excited. Christmas is my favorite holiday ever.

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You know, you might wake up the next day with the Josh profile picture with

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a Santa Claus hat or Ejaz wearing an elf costume.

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You know, it has fun. It has this personable kind of like friend,

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but it's not really real kind of vibe going about it, which I thought was,

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again, to tie in the product group, very good at kind of getting people to be

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at ease with AI and give up their information.

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Yeah. It's a lot of data too, man. Like the amount of extra personal data you'll

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collect on and everybody is massive. And you could start to create this network.

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Like they're starting to build an actual social network where you can get these

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nodes on a graph. You could see how they relate to each other,

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who talks to who about what.

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I'm curious what role that played in the decision to actually make this a reality.

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Outside of the social flywheel. This is also a data collection flywheel and

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it puts them in a really good spot.

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But I have to ask myself the question is, am I going to use this?

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Ejaz, are you going to use this? Like, is this actually strong enough to get you to leave?

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Okay. So here is my killer thesis behind this. And I specifically use the word killer here.

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If this plays out and it is a good enough product, right?

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I don't see why you wouldn't use this over something like iMessage.

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Or wherever you text with people. Because in my opinion, if I can speak to my

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friend, everyone, like you said, you've got almost probably a billion weekly

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active users of ChatGPT.

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A bunch of my friends already use it. I would rather have a text chat with them

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with an AI in there, which can verify links that are posted in there,

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which has an entire memory and context on our entire conversation.

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So it can bring up text that someone's mentioned in the past to prove a point

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or to kind of like share kind of knowledgeable information.

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And just to be that better kind of like wise man in the group chat,

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Why wouldn't I use something like that?

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That sounds like a much better user experience than me typing random text and

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scrolling and searching for the names that I'm looking for, right?

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I think it's a much better experience.

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I think this eventually kills iMessage. Like, why wouldn't Apple be shaking right now?

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Yeah iMessage it's really so sticky i really love iMessage and we always talk

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about the moats that apple has one of them being the blue the blue dots when

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you're texting people the blue bubbles um they have a few moats though that

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are starting to fall and this is slightly unrelated but i wanted to bring it

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Airdrop which is weird because when i say airdrop yeah so airdrop like the way

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that you it's the best feature in the world if you have a file on one of your

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apple devices and you want to get it to another one of either yours or a friend's

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Apple device, you can just airdrop it.

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And using some magic wireless technology, it just shows up on their phone so

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long as you are in close proximity to them.

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And this is normally how, like when we hang out, this is how we transfer photos.

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It's quick, it's high fidelity.

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It just transfers raw files, huge amounts of data. It is an amazing feature

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exclusive to Apple. Well, Google just this week,

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They rolled out airdrop support for iOS, which is really weird because Apple

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certainly doesn't want that to happen.

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And it appears as if they reverse engineered Apple's airdrop function,

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and they figured out how to create a companion that is compatible with the Apple

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airdrop functionality.

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And to me, this signals one of two things.

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One is that Apple's monopoly on these things that keep the ecosystem sticky is starting to fall.

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First, it was the rich text messaging where you could actually send Android

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users emojis and you could send photos in true resolution.

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Now it's an airdrop feature that's getting emulated. If they can figure out

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how to airdrop, maybe they can figure out how to emulate blue bubbles.

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And this comes against the backdrop of antiretron lawsuits that have been continuously

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happening of Apple's kind of restrictive...

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Ideologies and capabilities when it comes to keeping people locked into their platform.

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So Apple kind of has two options. One, they either lean into it and they just

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suck it up and they take that blow.

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I suspect that's not going to happen too, is that they're probably going to

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cut this off and say, no, you cannot do this.

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But in the case they do, well, then they get into antitrust trouble and you

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don't know what kind of rabbit hole that's going to go down.

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So there is this monopoly on Apple that's starting to be attacked pretty directly.

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And I wonder if that's going to further enhance the flywheel,

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the social effects of people wanting to use alternatives like ChatGPT's group chats or even like XAI.

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EJS, I don't know if you saw the new X chat feature that rolled out recently. They have chat.

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They're one button away from rolling rock into those and you could create group

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chats and like there is going to be a lot of competition.

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And what we're finding is, EJS, we always talk about this, but AI is going to be everywhere.

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And if you could build a stack that meets people where they are and integrates

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AI faster and better than anybody else and get those users locked in early,

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this is the race that's being played. and JackGPT made a big move this week.

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It's true. And dropping group chats.

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So I don't know if I'm going to race to have a group chat, but we should spin

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one up and try it and play around with it and see how much we really like it.

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Ejaaz:
I'm down. I'm going to start one right after this episode. I was just thinking

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the counter argument would be like, I just don't see Apple sitting around and

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letting this happen to them, right?

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They signed that deal recently with Google to get their custom-made Gemini model

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made specifically for Apple.

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Into Siri and into their iOS, which means that we're going to have an Apple

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AI in Siri sometime in 2026.

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And I can imagine that that's probably going to be available in the text feature as well.

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So I can't imagine Apple's going to sit around, but they are very much on the back foot right now.

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And it's not looking great when you have companies like XAI,

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Grok, and OpenAI with group chats kind of pushing aggressively into the social

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realm. Like this is the first time, if you think about it,

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My interaction with ChatGPT has been very one-on-one, right?

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It's kind of very siloed.

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And now they're kind of tapping into the social graph where not only am I just

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kind of using ChatGPT to get information, and it does it in a really reliable way.

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I would say I spent about 40% of my internet browsing time on ChatGPT.

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Now it's tapping into my social arc, Josh.

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Ejaaz:
Now it's tapping into personal information. Now it's tapping into my leisure and my joy.

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Ejaaz:
It's going to know about my jokes that I make. It might make me laugh. I don't know.

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It might react like, you know, with a smiley emoji to my joke and I might feel good about it.

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So it's a really interesting kind of realm and it's so weird to think about.

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I don't know what it's going to look like. Meta is definitely fuming.

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Meta is definitely angry that they didn't do something like this.

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Well, it seems like everybody's fuming. Everyone just like, everyone's competing.

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It's so hyper competitive. Everyone wants to win.

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Apple is one good update away from breaking this mold and just keeping us locked in.

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So while Apple always moves the slowest and normally the best,

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they are going to need to have some urgency before they really just lose this

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moat. So I'm hopeful for some new updates.

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This is not the end of the group chat.

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This may be the beginning of the AI group chat, but this is certainly only step

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one in the journey. But that's it.

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That is two cool tools that released this week that are really, really cool.

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Like we're getting some good stuff fairly quickly.

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I would encourage everyone to try them out. Let us know what you think.

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In particular, I want your Nano Banana Pro prompts.

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I want to know the cool prompts that you're using to make these fun types of

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images, whether it be, you know, walking down the aisle with someone or just

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a really cool graphic or whatever.

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Because again, it's just creativity constraints. So if you could come up with

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a good prompt, let us know, share it, share it with your friends,

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just like you're hopefully going to share this episode with them.

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And also don't forget to subscribe. If you do subscribe on YouTube,

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click the little bell icon too. If you haven't clicked the bell, it's very important.

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Notifies you when new videos go live and who wouldn't want to know when new

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videos go live three times a week.

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So yeah, that's it. That's all we got. Go try them out, test it out,

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share with your friends.

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Don't forget to like, comment, subscribe, all the great new stuff and we will

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Josh:
see you guys on the next episode see you guys for watching peace.