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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun and

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey everybody, welcome to the Bible Guys and

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<v Speaker 1>happy Friday!

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are!

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<v Speaker 1>I said happy Thursday before.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's even happier because..

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<v Speaker 2>Fridays are always happy. Let's be honest, Fridays are sort

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<v Speaker 2>of better. Always happy. Yes. TGIF. Friday, Friday, Friday! That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we are wrapping up this week about prayers

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<v Speaker 1>of intercessory. They're actually in the middle of our sort

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<v Speaker 1>of bigger series, which is dangerous prayers. And prayers of

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<v Speaker 1>intercession have just been the theme this week. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>before we get to that, we have a segment that

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<v Speaker 1>is actually, it's actually called the praise report with a twist. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>And it says this, Desiree says, each of you will

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<v Speaker 1>share something you're grateful for.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>But you must describe it like it's a dramatic movie trailer. Ooh.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went to chat GPT for mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So did I. Yeah. Okay, good. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go first?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, you go first. You go first.

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<v Speaker 1>So I told ChatGPT, well, should I just read it?

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<v Speaker 2>Read what you told ChatGPT?

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<v Speaker 1>No, or should I just read the trailer?

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<v Speaker 2>Read the trailer and then tell them what you told ChatGPT.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You'll be able to figure out what I'm thankful

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<v Speaker 1>for really quick.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go. In a world filled with uncertainty, chaos,

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<v Speaker 1>and cheap, scratchy sandpaper disguised as toilet paper, one man

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<v Speaker 1>dares to hope for more. And then it happens. You

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<v Speaker 1>walk in and it's there. Soft, strong, quality, like wiping

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<v Speaker 1>with the embrace of an angel. Because when a company

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<v Speaker 1>cares enough to give you this kind of comfort in

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<v Speaker 1>a public restroom, just imagine the kind of excellence they

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<v Speaker 1>bring to everything else they do. This is gratitude. This

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<v Speaker 1>is luxury. This is hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Softness. Okay. So, good TP. That's what you're thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>In a public place.

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<v Speaker 2>In a public place.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the little things, Chris. Yeah. It's just a little thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what you're grateful for.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no. That's a thing I'm grateful for.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It just said type in something you're grateful for.

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<v Speaker 2>Something you're grateful for.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I chose something small, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>So what did you type in and tell it that

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted it to help you with?

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I said. Write me a 90 second

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic trailer about something I'm grateful for. The thing I'm

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for is when I walk into a public restroom

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<v Speaker 1>and there is soft, quality, expensive toilet paper. Because there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing worse than cheap toilet paper that feels like sandpaper.

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<v Speaker 1>Include the fact that providing this kind of care must

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<v Speaker 1>mean that whatever product they are selling must also be great.

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<v Speaker 2>You worked hard on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I did, but I wanted it to be specific. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Now I feel kind of corny about mine. Not corny.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, because yours is serious and lovey?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you thankful for your wife?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I am, but that's not what I wrote. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this says, deep booming voice, slow build with swelling strings.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the, if you have a soundtrack in your head.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>In a world where small town kids may not make

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<v Speaker 2>it very far, one young man discovers that God's plan

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<v Speaker 2>is bigger than his wildest dreams. Blessed with a family,

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<v Speaker 2>entrusted with a ministry, and carried by a grace he

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<v Speaker 2>never earned, this fall he realizes the truth. It was

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<v Speaker 2>never about me. It was always about him.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. All right. So, wow, that's a big encompassing thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just wrote, I'm grateful for God's provision for

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<v Speaker 2>me and my family, and I'm grateful for his incredible

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<v Speaker 2>blessings on the ministries he's given me. I'm just a

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<v Speaker 2>small town kid that can't figure out how I got

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<v Speaker 2>here from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Right. There you go. Yeah. All right. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yours was quite the opposite of mine. I went fun. Yeah. Well, TP.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. TP is a big deal to Chris, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's maybe one of his top five most important things

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<v Speaker 2>in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I got to tell you, there are times where

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<v Speaker 1>my wife, every once in a while, my wife will stray.

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<v Speaker 1>And she'll say, oh, I'll just buy this. And I rebel. Yeah? Yeah. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be Charmin Ultra.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Charmin Ultra is the thing in my home.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Chris is... You are very aware of comfort. Very aware.

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<v Speaker 1>Very aware.

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<v Speaker 2>Very aware of comfort. Temperature, humidity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>The comfort of your seats. The clothes I wear. The

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<v Speaker 2>clothes you wear, scratchy. Are you wet?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Right? All those things. So comfort is a very high

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<v Speaker 2>value thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what? I never really... I've really put it

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<v Speaker 1>in those terms before, but yeah, all of that is comfort.

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<v Speaker 1>All of it. Even being wet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>100%.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's just your thing. Chad Asman, our executive pastor,

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<v Speaker 2>and I, we'll talk about that, right? That, ooh, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to make sure this is comfortable for Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. For real.

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<v Speaker 2>For real, because it's a big deal for you. We

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<v Speaker 2>want you to be comfortable and happy. So funny. I just...

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think about that very much.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that you even consider that is what a

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<v Speaker 1>great thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Pajamas, slippers.

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<v Speaker 1>What a great thing that you even care.

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<v Speaker 2>Blanket on your couch. I can't believe you even care.

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<v Speaker 2>We do. That's so funny. We want you to be comfortable, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Good gravy.

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<v Speaker 2>I figure, you know what? Hey, this is what good

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<v Speaker 2>trainers do with racehorses. Make sure they're comfortable so when

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<v Speaker 2>it's time to hit the track, they run hard. And

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<v Speaker 2>I figure if you've got a good horse, ride it.

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<v Speaker 2>So keep him comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so funny. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The only thing you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do is make them comfortable. Yeah. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>not that hard. It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. Comfort is a thing. So good for you, man.

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<v Speaker 2>That was really a good one. I thought you, you

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<v Speaker 2>read it well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was, it was ridiculous. It was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is hope. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is hope.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't take, well, it's easy to lose hope when

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<v Speaker 2>you're not comfortable. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's a high value for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, And I've always, Chad's dreading what I'm, he's

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<v Speaker 1>hoping I'm not going to say this, but I always

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<v Speaker 1>poke fun of him at the deal that he made

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<v Speaker 1>with Heritage Toilet Paper at a church. Yeah, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a deal. It's a company that says, hey, if you

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<v Speaker 1>buy all of our products.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you get a really good deal.

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<v Speaker 1>You get a good discount.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's not Charmin Ultra.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a far cry. So if you have sandpaper on

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<v Speaker 1>one end and you have Charmin Ultra on the other end,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like over 50% this way. Yeah. It's

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<v Speaker 1>past the 50% mark toward the sandpaper.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just like, I'm like.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we have any listeners left.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>After this riveting segment.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we're only six minutes and 49 seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, after this riveting segment, maybe what you need to

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<v Speaker 2>do is pray about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, pray about the 12th of February? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Which, funny enough, Jesus taught us to pray.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that is funny. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the prayer he gave us..

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<v Speaker 1>Terrible transition. In the prayer he gave us... We're back

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<v Speaker 1>to terrible transition. Yeah, it's terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's awful. So here you go. In Matthew chapter six,

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<v Speaker 2>verse five, it says, when you pray, don't be like

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<v Speaker 2>the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners

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<v Speaker 2>and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you the truth, that is all the reward they

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<v Speaker 2>will ever get. But when you pray... Let me say

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<v Speaker 2>that again. But when you pray, go away by yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>shut the door behind you and pray to your father

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<v Speaker 2>in private. And then your father who sees everything will

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<v Speaker 2>reward you. When you pray, don't babble on and on

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<v Speaker 2>as the Gentiles do. They think their prayers are answered

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<v Speaker 2>merely by repeating their words again and again. Don't be

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<v Speaker 2>like them, for your father knows exactly what you need

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<v Speaker 2>even before you ask him. Pray like this. Our father

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<v Speaker 2>in heaven, may your name be kept holy. May your

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<v Speaker 2>kingdom come soon. May your will be done on earth

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<v Speaker 2>as it is in heaven. Give us today the food

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<v Speaker 2>we need and forgive us our sins as we have

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<v Speaker 2>forgiven those who sin against us. And don't let us

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<v Speaker 2>yield the temptation, but rescue us from the evil one.

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<v Speaker 2>If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly

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<v Speaker 2>father will forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive others,

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<v Speaker 2>your father will not forgive your sins. Well, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there it is. And so this is an intercessory prayer. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>because really it is, uh, praying, uh, on, on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of others because the language is us, right? Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just me, it's us. It's almost as

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<v Speaker 1>if you're praying.

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<v Speaker 2>Give us today, forgive us our sins. Yeah. Let us.

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<v Speaker 1>Either, either this is a prayer praying for a family

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<v Speaker 1>or a nation, right? Right. But either way.

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<v Speaker 2>So it can be a personal prayer, but it's written

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<v Speaker 2>as a collective prayer.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, isn't it? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it definitely falls into the intercessor category.

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<v Speaker 2>this is where Jesus teaches us. This is the longest

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<v Speaker 2>he teaches us almost all the things that have made

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<v Speaker 2>it into mainstream society that we know Jesus said. Turn

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<v Speaker 2>the other cheek, go the extra mile. Judge not that

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<v Speaker 2>Treat people the way you want to be treated.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth will set you free. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many things in here that we know that

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<v Speaker 2>have kind of made it into pop culture. Jesus taught

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he teaches us to pray. But it's interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>these things. He says, when you give, in verse two,

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<v Speaker 2>for attention. Then he says, when you pray... Don't go

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<v Speaker 2>your big fancy words. Instead, this is a private thing

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<v Speaker 2>between you and God. And then in verse 16, he says,

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<v Speaker 2>when you fast. So there's this expectation Jesus has that

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<v Speaker 2>his followers are going to be generous to others. They're

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<v Speaker 2>going to pray to God. They're going to fast on

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<v Speaker 2>behalf of their own situations and the needs of others, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Those three things, they're kind of an expectation. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>say if you pray or if you give or if

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<v Speaker 2>you fast, he says, when you do these things. And

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<v Speaker 2>so there's kind of this understanding that there are certain behaviors,

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<v Speaker 2>certain disciplines that Christians would do, followers of God would

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<v Speaker 1>Which is the series that we're in now called Old School.

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<v Speaker 1>Old School behaviors and attitudes and disciplines and habits of

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<v Speaker 2>So then prayer should be a habit is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>where I was going with that, right? This is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that God's people should be doing. And

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<v Speaker 2>so he's not saying don't ever pray out loud in

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<v Speaker 2>front of other people. You know, you read that beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, hey, go by yourself, shut the door behind you,

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<v Speaker 1>He's talking about the motivation.

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<v Speaker 2>He's talking about motivation, right? Because the Pharisees and some

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<v Speaker 2>of the hypocrites, they loved just getting everybody to pray

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<v Speaker 2>the big prayers, use the big words, deep voice, public humility,

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<v Speaker 2>and all that kind of stuff. And Jesus just saying

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<v Speaker 1>And that's, and by the way, that's, again, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why my mind goes toward Not giving the Pharisees

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily the heart of what's honest and real. The prayer

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<v Speaker 1>didn't matter as much as the glory. So anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't say Pharisees. It just says hypocrites.

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<v Speaker 1>You are correct. But I think another version says Pharisees.

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<v Speaker 1>Another translation. Another gospel says Pharisees.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll look it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look it up. Because that'd be an interesting tidbit.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I love how he says, don't pontificate. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't use big words and just ramble on. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he says, don't use the words again and again. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, what he's saying is repetition ain't going to

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right? And by the way, it's a little ironic because

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<v Speaker 1>then he lays out the Lord's Prayer that's commonly known

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<v Speaker 1>they actually repeat over and over. Like, hey, say 10

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<v Speaker 1>Our Fathers, right? Right. Which is repetition. And yet it

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<v Speaker 1>comes just a few verses after him saying, repetition's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to get you anywhere. Isn't that interesting? Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the wayâ You don't have to keep saying

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing over and over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>God, please forgive me. God, please forgive me. God, please

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<v Speaker 2>forgive me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, that's notâ Say five Hail Marys.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. And that's not me putting down a certain faith

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<v Speaker 1>in general. I have actually a lot of respect forâ

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<v Speaker 1>for the faith that I grew up in, which taught this, right?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, hey, say a bunch of, you know, our fathers.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in that faith and I have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of respect for it. So that's not me disrespecting it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I am saying is this, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty fundamental difference in belief and that's okay. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that this was not given to recite. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>do I believe reciting this prayer is a bad thing? No,

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<v Speaker 1>of course not. Reciting is a good thing. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But the idea of saying like, okay, the greater the sin,

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<v Speaker 1>the more you have to repeat. Well, that's clearly what

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus said doesn't get you anywhere. Right. Besides that, here's

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<v Speaker 1>the other reason why we know that it wasn't given

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<v Speaker 1>to us as a prayer to recite. It's because in

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<v Speaker 1>another gospel, when he teaches us how to pray, he

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<v Speaker 1>leaves a certain part out. Right? So he taught us

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<v Speaker 1>to pray differently. So it's almost as if, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you go to the other gospel and you say, Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jesus is like, ah, that's because it's not something

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<v Speaker 1>to recite. It's a pattern, isn't it? It's a model.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Jesus saying, hey, here's the building blocks of

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<v Speaker 1>a great prayer. Yeah. Right? So anyway, was it the

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<v Speaker 1>Pharisees and the other gospels? No. It was not? No. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just attached it. Or in the other translation.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay. So... So maybe I'm thinking of the Pharisees

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<v Speaker 1>standing on the corner putting ashes.

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<v Speaker 2>On their heads. He calls them hypocrites.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when they fast?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's the Pharisees putting ashes on their heads.

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<v Speaker 1>When it's fasting.

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<v Speaker 2>So this idea, Jesus does teach us to be persistent

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's not saying it's wrong to come back to

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<v Speaker 2>God with the same prayer request you had last time.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not wrong. So he teaches us to be persistent.

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<v Speaker 2>He talks about the woman who keeps coming back to

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<v Speaker 2>the judge. He talks about continuing to knock on the door.

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<v Speaker 2>Continue to ask, continue to seek, right? So he's not

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<v Speaker 2>saying that persistence is wrong. He's saying that going through

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<v Speaker 2>So I was with somebody from another faith who also

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<v Speaker 2>So I just remember. So then I asked him about it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I just hurry up and do that one. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it feels a little perfunctory. He goes, well, we're commanded to.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to pray five times a day. We have

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<v Speaker 2>to do this. And so then it turned into a

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<v Speaker 2>and over again, repetitively. What God's looking for is a

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<v Speaker 2>relational relationship. experience, right? Where we're speaking from our hearts.

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<v Speaker 1>God wants your heart. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants our hearts. And in another translation, it says,

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<v Speaker 2>when you pray, don't babble on and on as the

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<v Speaker 2>pagans do. It's what the King James says, right? Here

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<v Speaker 2>prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again.

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<v Speaker 2>An incantation, a spell, right? Some kind of, that's how

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people feel. If I just chant this thing, om,

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<v Speaker 2>And what Jesus is saying, listen, it's not spells. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not incantations. It's not chanting that's going to get my attention.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a personal conversation between a child and his father.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what gets my attention. And then he goes, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>he is, right? Our father who art in heaven. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're acknowledging who he is. Hallowed be your name or

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<v Speaker 2>in this one, may your name be kept holy. That's

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<v Speaker 2>one that is not bound by this earth or no

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<v Speaker 2>problem is too big for you. That's what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>We're having a conversation. It's not specifically those words. It's

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<v Speaker 2>that attitude. And then when he says, may your kingdom

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<v Speaker 2>come soon, and may your will be done on earth

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<v Speaker 2>as it is in heaven, is saying now, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>in charge. So I recognize who you are. I recognize

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<v Speaker 2>that there's nothing you can't do. And so I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to do what you decide is best.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really what you're saying there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the building. So you're just boring me.

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<v Speaker 2>by prayer.

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<v Speaker 1>So the building blocks that I was referring to earlier

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<v Speaker 1>are number one is declare God's greatness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the second one is acknowledge our dependence.

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<v Speaker 1>Our dependence for what? Our dependence for his, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Give us today the food we need.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the food.

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<v Speaker 2>Forgive us our sins.

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<v Speaker 1>Forgive us of our sins. And so there's a list

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<v Speaker 1>of things that were dependent on him. But declare God's

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<v Speaker 1>love that most of us learned it. Hallowed be thy name, right?

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<v Speaker 1>And it says here, may your name be kept holy.

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<v Speaker 1>But another translation for hallowed be thy name, actually a

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<v Speaker 1>better translation, is great is your name. Hallowed means great.

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<v Speaker 1>Great is your name. And that's what it is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>I'll push on that just a little bit. Holy is

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<v Speaker 2>what hallowed means. Hallowed means set aside. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So a better translation is holy.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy is your name. It's holy, but because your name

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<v Speaker 2>is set aside, it's greater than every name. It's beyond, right?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not wrong. It's just... You know, to say

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<v Speaker 2>great is your name. But his name is only great

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<v Speaker 2>because it's so far beyond all the rest of ours.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>She's saying greatness would be a byproduct of the real translation,

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<v Speaker 1>which would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be more accurately like holy. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So holy is your name.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right. But we think of holy wrong. Right. We

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<v Speaker 2>tend to think of holy as like without sin. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a word. That's a meaning of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But holy means set apart. That's really what it means

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<v Speaker 2>at its foundation is it's, It's been set apart for God,

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<v Speaker 2>only for God's use, only for God's benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>Which that could be the idea of great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and that's it. As your name is so far

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<v Speaker 2>set apart from ours, it's almost incomprehensible how great you

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<v Speaker 2>and your name are compared to us little people. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's both, it's like flip sides of the same coin.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Yeah. It's very interesting. Yeah, and then he goes

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<v Speaker 1>on and he asks for dependence on all these different things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that in the end, I think God

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<v Speaker 1>wants us to, concentrate on ourselves because he removes everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else out of the equation. He says, get yourself into

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<v Speaker 1>a private place to pray. So now again, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>praying in public is not wrong, but he's talking about

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<v Speaker 1>your motivation for prayer. And he says, hey, when you

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<v Speaker 1>pray go away by yourself, shut the door behind you

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<v Speaker 1>and pray to your father in private, then your father

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<v Speaker 1>who sees everything will reward you. And what he's really

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<v Speaker 1>saying is, he's saying like, don't do it in public

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<v Speaker 1>for the wrong motivation. If you do it in private,

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<v Speaker 1>your father's the only one that needs to hear you, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Other people don't need to hear you. It's fine if

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<v Speaker 1>they do on occasion, that's not what he's saying. What

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<v Speaker 1>he's saying, your motivation for your reward for your prayer

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<v Speaker 1>Only needs to be your father. Yes. Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, there's an intimacy in this. Jesus prayed publicly.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Many times.

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<v Speaker 1>All the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Father, help me do this so that people would

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<v Speaker 2>see how great you are. Many times Jesus prays publicly.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a public conversation I have with my friends

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<v Speaker 2>and the thousands of people who attend Heritage Church and

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<v Speaker 2>all the people who listen online. And then there's also

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<v Speaker 2>the intimate family conversations that only me and my wife

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<v Speaker 2>and my kids are having.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And what Jesus is inviting you to is if you

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<v Speaker 2>only participate in public prayer.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>One, don't be prideful like the Pharisees or the hypocrites

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<v Speaker 2>are here. That's one. Don't just do it for your

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<v Speaker 2>own attention spiritually and going through the religious ritual of

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<v Speaker 2>saying your incantation, you're chanting. But do you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I think what he's trying to do is he's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to say, don't you know, there's an intimate conversation you

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<v Speaker 2>can have with God. That's private. That's not for everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanking God for the food at the dinner table is

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<v Speaker 2>very different than the kind of conversation that you can

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<v Speaker 2>have with God privately. And that's what he's inviting us to,

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<v Speaker 2>is this intimacy with God that you can't have in public.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Have you ever met anybody with a prayer closet? Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Where they actually have a dedicated closet or space

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<v Speaker 1>where it's just a prayer thing. Yeah. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>good buddy of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>My pastor growing up had one.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he? I have a good buddy of mine who

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<v Speaker 1>bought a building in Macomb County somewhere to run a business.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's a mechanic. So he's always greased up and

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<v Speaker 1>always covered in grease and oil. And he has an

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<v Speaker 1>upstairs that will never be finished because of something with

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<v Speaker 1>the city, blah, blah, blah. So he has this upstairs

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<v Speaker 1>that could be remodeled and be this whole second floor

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<v Speaker 1>where you could put a business. I mean, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a monstrosity of a place. But he can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's this wasted space. And it's a big, long story.

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<v Speaker 1>So he has this big, huge staircase. And he has

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<v Speaker 1>what he has now named the upper room. And he says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what do I do with this? And he says, I know. Well, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>it was his wife who said, I'll create a prayer space.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's this one little area that is near

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<v Speaker 1>a bay window near the front of the place. And

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<v Speaker 1>she's just decked out this wooden unfinished area. And then

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<v Speaker 1>she's made this little haven. And they call it the

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<v Speaker 1>upper room. So from time to time, he'll be having

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<v Speaker 1>a bad day at work. And he's like, I'll be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Right? And he just walks up the stairs and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>there he goes.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to the upper room.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to the upper room.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that amazing? Yeah. But it's a dedicated space. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, it's very much like this concept, right?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a prayer closet, so to speak. It's a very

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<v Speaker 1>big one. But he's like, I want to be in

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<v Speaker 1>private and I want to go to my Heavenly Father.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this case, he's able to do it in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of his day where he can come back

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<v Speaker 1>down and say, okay, let's go. Yeah. Good to go.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>So. So then we ask God to provide what we

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<v Speaker 2>need for today. We don't worry about tomorrow. Just Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>provide for us today. We confess our sin, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think is important. It's interesting. Most of us start off

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<v Speaker 2>with our sin. God, I'm sorry for my sin. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't deserve to be talking to you. Would you

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<v Speaker 2>forgive my sin?

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<v Speaker 1>Or our requests.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. Or we ignore our sin and just go

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<v Speaker 2>straight to, hey, this is what I need. So we

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<v Speaker 2>got to start off with who God is and the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that God's in control and it's his will. But

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<v Speaker 2>then we do get to these other things. Here's what

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<v Speaker 2>I need. Would you forgive my sins? And then he says,

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<v Speaker 2>forgive us our sins as we have forgiven those who

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<v Speaker 2>sinned against us. And so, you know, there's a passage

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<v Speaker 2>in the Bible that says we love because he first

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<v Speaker 2>loved us. Paul challenges us with the idea that we

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<v Speaker 2>should forgive because we've been forgiven. Same idea. And Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>actually says those words. If you forgive those who sin

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<v Speaker 2>against you, your heavenly father will forgive you. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you refuse to forgive others, your father will not forgive

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<v Speaker 2>your sins. That's a really Strong statement.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a strong statement. Right?

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<v Speaker 2>But we talked about forgiveness yesterday, didn't we? Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about that. I'm not saying what you did is okay.

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<v Speaker 2>All I'm saying is I'm giving God the responsibility of

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<v Speaker 2>bringing justice, not me. Right? I'm giving up my right

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<v Speaker 2>to prosecute.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just going to make note of this note

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<v Speaker 1>in my Bible. It says, this prayer begins with God's interests,

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<v Speaker 1>not ours. God's name, not ours. God's kingdom, not ours.

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<v Speaker 1>And God's will, not ours. Hmm. Yeah, we should not

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<v Speaker 1>ask anything. Yeah, it's just interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hey, that looks like our time. And thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us this week. Hopefully it's been a great theme

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<v Speaker 1>and a great thing to ponder on. But hopefully we'll

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<v Speaker 1>pick up next time with a different theme under the

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<v Speaker 1>umbrella of dangerous prayers. And we'll see you then.