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Speaker 6: Welcome everyone
to Faith and Purpose podcast.

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Each episode of this podcast contains the
personal testimony of an ordinary person

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transformed by an extraordinary God.

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My name is Kaylin and I'm
here to introduce this podcast

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for my friend Jesse Duke.

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Jesse is a husband, father, author,
life recovery guide, lay counselor,

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and small group leader, but his
most important role is disciple.

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As a disciple of Jesus.

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Jesse created this podcast to help other
believers tell their faith stories.

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We'll be hearing the personal
testimonies of all sorts of people

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who have one thing in common,
Jesus has transformed their lives.

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Jesus used parables because he created
us to learn best through story.

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And as we listen to how God has worked
in others lives, we find encouragement

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and inspiration for our own faith walk.

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Whether you are already a believer or
just a curious seeker, we believe that

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as you listen to these stories, you will
be encouraged on your own faith journey.

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We are sure that God can speak to you
through one of these episodes and that you

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will see that our Heavenly Father truly
works all things together for our good.

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When we simply love and trust him.

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If you are currently going through a
trial, we believe that you will come

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to see that your troubles, heartbreaks,
and failures are not gravestones, but

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stepping stones into new life in Christ.

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Here's Jesse with today's guest.

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Speaker: Welcome everybody
to Faith and Purpose podcast.

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My name is Jesse Duke.

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And today I have my longtime friend,
Jim Renfrow, to tell his story.

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How you doing today, Jim?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fine,

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Speaker: Well,  I  already know parts of
your story, but I just wanted to get it

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down in audio for other people to hear.

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So, I'm looking forward to it.

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So, tell us, when and where you were born.

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Speaker 2: I was born in 1936 in,
down between Lakeview and Nichols.

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I was born at home,

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1936.

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Speaker: You were born in a house?

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Born in a house.

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And how about, brothers and sisters?

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Speaker 2: I had one
brother and one sister.

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My sister was 10 years older than me, and
my brother was 12 years older than me.

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I was sort of like an only

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Speaker: child.

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So you were the baby of the family?

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I

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Speaker 2: was the baby of the family.

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Speaker: And what was your childhood like?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess,
looking back on it, I think I

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maybe was like the only child.

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I might have been a little spoiled,
but, I didn't think I was at the time.

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Speaker: So you were born in
Dillon County, South Carolina.

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Right.

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And, when I say what was your childhood
like, I mean, did you run the streets?

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Did you live in the woods?

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Did you grow up hunting and fishing?

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What was your life?

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Speaker 2: I grew up, we had a, I
lived on a tobacco farm and I worked

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in tobacco when I got big enough.

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About six years old, I started dragging
tobacco with a mule on a flat drag.

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And I stayed in the woods fishing.

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I did a lot of fishing and, didn't do much
hunting until I got up about 11 years old.

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I got my first gun.

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But, I stayed outside most all the time.

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So

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what

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Speaker: was

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Speaker 2: your first gun?

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It was a 410 Singleboro.

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Speaker: Me too.

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Well, what about school?

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How did that go?

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Speaker 2: I started off in the first
grade in Nichols, South Carolina.

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I got along pretty good.

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Made fairly decent grades.

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I didn't like school that
well, but I did pretty good.

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with my grades and all, through the
7th grade, and, I loved baseball.

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We had a baseball team in
Mecklenburg, and, I played on the

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high school baseball team when I
was in the 7th grade, and, wait, you

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Speaker: were in the 7th grade but
you played on the high school team?

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Yeah.

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So they recruited you, huh?

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Speaker 2: Well, we all
practiced together and all of it.

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We didn't have but one thing,
that was the high school.

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We didn't have anything
to do with varsity.

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You didn't

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Speaker: have enough
people to have more than

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Speaker 2: that.

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Right.

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But I moved to the Lakeview
School in the 8th grade.

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And, I didn't get along good with,
under other, with the management.

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I had a, Major problem
with the baseball coach.

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When I first went there, I was practicing
with the team, but we had a falling out.

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I never played baseball in high school,
on the high school team, or football.

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I'd never even seen a football
game until I went to Lakeview.

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Speaker: Wow.

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so did you have any other interests in
life besides, baseball and, Fishing?

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Speaker 2: Well, I got a
car when I was in 8th grade.

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in order for me to go to school in
Lakeview, I either had to walk about a

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little over a mile to make the bus, and
my dad brought me a 1950 Willys Jeepster,

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and I drove it to school when I was in
Lakeview  I enjoyed taking on cars, Before

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then, I had a 32 Chevrolet stripped down,
and I used to work on it a lot, and I

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learned to rebuild the engines back when
I was in the 8th and 9th grade in school.

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But,

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I enjoyed, I did I began the quill hunt
when I was in about the 8th grade and

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9th grade, and I bought me a dog and,
Me and this friend of mine, we hunted

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together in all our spare time, and
of course we fished in the spring and

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summer, but when I got to Lakeview and
started, I didn't care much about school.

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I cut school a lot, and I
didn't make real good grades,

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and but, I've had a lot of fun.

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I wasn't that bad of a dude at that

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Speaker: time.

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So you know this is called Faith and
Purpose Podcast, so my question is what,

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what were your childhood memories like?

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Were you exposed to, faith or religion

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Well,

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Speaker 2: from the time I was big
enough to go, went to church with my mom.

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My mom was a Baptist and
my dad was a Methodist.

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I went to church with my mom.

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But, I never, I didn't learn much.

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Probably.

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Did more talking than I did listening,
but but I did go to church, maybe not

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ever, but we were fairly faithful I'd say.

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Maybe three out of four
Sundays we went to church.

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Speaker: huh.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't really care
much about, didn't really know much

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about the Bible and, and, didn't really
care much about no one at the time.

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I guess living out in the country and.

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And working with farmhands, and
that's all I had to play with.

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I lived six miles from Nichols
and six miles from Lakeview, so

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I was right in the middle of it.

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I had a lot of fun when I joined.

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It wasn't all bad.

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Speaker: So your life was
pretty much working on the farm.

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Right.

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Hunting, fishing, baseball, cars,
you, I get, you enjoyed cars and I

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understand you raced them for a while.

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Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: that was later on.

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Speaker: Okay.

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Speaker 2: But, anyway, I met my
wife when I was in the eighth grade

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and, we started dating, in the
eighth grade, a little, just maybe.

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I had to, I had, the only time I could
go off was one time a week, and, with

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her, and, she, and then on Sunday,
I either go to WBTU on Sunday night,

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Bible, whatever they want to call it,
but anyway, I either had to go to the

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church with her, or I either had to stay
at home and talk with her at her house.

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Speaker: huh.

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Speaker 2: But, We, I think the fact
that I didn't get that I didn't play

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ball much in high school I look back on
it now I've regretted it most of my life

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and felt like I had, been mistreated
for not playing but, I look back on

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it now as a blessing because probably

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if I'd have been playing ball,
I might not have fell in love

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and got married when I was 16.

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Speaker: okay.

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let's see, y'all met in the 8th grade.

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What grade was she

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Speaker 2: in?

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She was in the, no, I guess
I was in the 9th grade.

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She was in the 8th grade.

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Speaker: Okay, so you were 16, she was 12.

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15

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Speaker 2: When we got married, she was
in the 11th grade and I had missed, I

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had dropped a bunch of sub, I was in
the 11th grade too when we got married.

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Speaker: Okay.

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Speaker 2: it was kind of a trend.

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In my school at that time, there
was five couples that got married

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within a two year period and, and
while in high school and Nette myself

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was the first two that got married.

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And then, there was four other
couples that got married.

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Long back in that time.

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And you couldn't go to
school if you were married.

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So we got kicked out of school
when we found out we were married.

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suited me too.

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Speaker: How did you get married?

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Did you elope?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we, Florence

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was the judge of probate in Dillon, so
naturally we couldn't go there to get

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married, because he wouldn't work, so
we went to Florence and, we went to the

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judge of probate's office in Florence on
a Friday afternoon, before basketball.

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I played basketball in high school and, we
got our marriage license and we talked to

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this lady and It worked in judge's office,
and uh, she told us she would marry us

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on Sunday if we'd come to her house.

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She was a New Republic, but anyway,
on the way home, I was in the biggest

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hurry, trying to get back in time to play
basketball, and the highway patrolman got

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after me, and Florence Lee, he stopped
me about 15 miles off of that down near

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the river, He asked me why, what I was
in search of her for, and I told him

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My dad was in the hospital in Mullins
and I was in a hurry to get there.

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And he said, who's that with you?

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And I said, my sister.

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Anyway, he let me go.

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He said, you slow down.

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He didn't charge me anything, just
didn't let me take it, let me go.

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We made it back in time
for the basketball game.

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Speaker: So you went to Florence to get
the marriage certificate and then you

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Speaker 2: went back?

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We went back on Sunday afternoon.

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And, got married and then we come
home and I had to take her home that

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night cause we didn't have permission
to go in the evening and the night.

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but anyway, I believe it was the
following Monday we went to school.

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Both of us went to school and
this man in Lakeview had, seen

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in the Florence Morning News.

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They used to publish the marriage license
on the paper and, he saw it and he

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went to Florence Mom and told us that.

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It's on that gymkit Merritt said.

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I saw the Merritt glasses and she didn't
know it up to that time, I don't think.

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But anyway, we went to school that
morning and the principal has come

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talking to her, told me I couldn't go
to school because Merritt had to leave.

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we let Merritt go.

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We left together and went back to
my granny's house and got her some

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clothes and then we went to my house
and started fixing us a bedroom.

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boy.

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That was a good time, a
good point in my life.

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that's

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Speaker: wonderful.

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how old were both of you at that time?

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Florinette

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Speaker 2: was 15 and I was 16.

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We got married on February the 8th, 1953.

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My

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first child was born, On
December the 19th, 1953.

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And, Florida was still 15.

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But I had a birthday on July the 4th.

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she had a birthday on, October 13th.

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That was before Frankie was born.

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She was 16, when Frankie was born.

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And I had already had one on the 4th of
July, so we were 15, we were 16 and 17.

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Speaker: Now, did y'all attend
the church at that time?

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Speaker 2: Lord, that went over Sunday.

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I didn't go.

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I didn't go to church.

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We, I didn't, she went by herself,
because I didn't go anywhere.

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There's a lot that happened between.

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53 in 1970, and, I, I had never drank a
beer or anything until I was 21 years old.

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I started sipping a little on beer,
and I never smoked a cigarette.

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I'd smoked, rabbit tobacco, and I'd
roll, I had rolled me some old tobacco

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that was cured in the barns, and
just, it burnt, it was awful, and I

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didn't want to smoke, but anyway, I
started smoking when I was 21, too.

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And I started drinking a little, and
I got, actually got a little worse.

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And, back in, and into the
sixties, I started drinking a lot.

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And, I, I started racing in the sixties.

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And I started racing for
four, five, six, seven years.

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And, just kept drinking
a little more and more.

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And I got pretty bad
long in the late sixties.

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And, right before, before they had
never even threatened to leave me at

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no point, you know, she put up with me
that, that might have been part of my

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problem, she put up with me too much.

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But, anyway, I come home, it
was right, about a week, two

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weeks before Thanksgiving.

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I was pretty drunk and I got cutting
up and got violent and started throwing

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things around and well, it kind of
first time in her life she broke down

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and went and crying and I slapped her.

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So the only time I'd ever touched
her, because I wasn't a, I wasn't a

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wife beater, I was a whole lot worse
than a wife beater because I probably

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did hurt more harm with my mouth

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But anyway.

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I left, and when I come back in that
night, lay down, the police locked me

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up, put me in jail, and I stayed in
jail all the way through Thanksgiving.

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And, when I got out of jail on
Thanksgiving for that, file for divorce,

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we stayed separated

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through Christmas and through, Up until

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April the 7th.

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I had this friend at work, that I
worked with, that had been witnessing

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me for years, for 10, 15 years.

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He used to go to ballgames with me and
he'd come, all the races were a race.

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Anyway, He kept wanting
me to go to church.

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And, of course I didn't
care nothing about church.

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and, while I, while we were separated,
I got thinking, I guess the Holy Spirit

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started dealing with me and I told him
one day at work, I said, next time you

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see your preacher, make me a appoint with
him, all that, I'm, go talk with him.

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One night

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when I got home work that evening, him
and his pastor was sitting in the yard.

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Well, I, I was stopped.

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Thorn it, bought her a trailer and.

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They were living in a mom's yard.

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She had too many children
to stay in the house.

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She had put copper in
her mom and dad's yard.

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And, I would stop by the old, the
house we lived in before, before we got

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separated was right across the road.

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And I'd stop over there and the kids
would come over there and we'd talk.

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And I'd talk with the kids,
play with them a while.

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And then I'd go on down to my mom's.

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Spend the night, but the preacher had
pulled up and admitted that the boy that

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was witness to them, and we sit in the
car and talk for a long time, an hour

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or two, I reckon, and I told him, I
kept telling him, I said, I know I need

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to clean up and start going to church.

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And he said, Jim, you
don't have to go to church.

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You don't have to clean up.

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You need to accept Jesus
Christ as your son.

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He said, I said, I know,
but I got to keep drinking.

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And he said, you don't have to quit.

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I said, man, you must be crazy.

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They think that I don't
have to do nothing.

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He read the scripture to me.

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It's, Jesus died for us
while we were yet sinners.

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And he said, you don't, you
turn your life over to Jesus.

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If you mean business.

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He'll take the strong, direct
taste away from you, and

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then you clean up after that.

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But you don't have to do
it before you get saved.

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So

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Speaker: you just assumed
that you had to get cleaned up

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before Jesus would accept you.

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I felt

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Speaker 2: like I definitely needed
to do different from what I was

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doing before I got in and out.

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I said, if that's what I got to
do, I want to do it right now.

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I don't want to wait till Sunday.

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I want to do it right now.

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So, uh, we went, me and him and my friend
went into the camper with Floor Net.

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And I got on my knees in there.

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In the kitchen in that cafeteria, I
asked Jesus Christ to come into my

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life and I promised him, I said, Lord,
if you'll save me, I promise I'll

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serve you the rest of my life, mother.

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And anyway, I meant business
with him and the girl didn't know

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enough about me to know that I
didn't make that kind of promises.

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So she told me after the preacher left.

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And I could, we could get back together,
so I spent my first night I'd spent

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with her since Full Thanksgiving.

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And I was happy, and I remember,
she had devotion every night.

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I used to lay in the bed sometime
in the next room drunk, half drunk,

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and hearing them have devotion.

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I think all that stuff like that came back
to me and people that had witnessed to

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me for 20 years before then and all that.

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So a lot kept coming back when I got hurt
as the Holy Spirit was dealing with me.

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But anyway, I got saved
on April the 7th, 1970.

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And my marriage started
working its way back together.

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We got back together.

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Been a lot of, good
things happen since then.

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Speaker: how many children did
you have at that time in 1970?

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Speaker 2: we had eight,

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eight children, and when I got, after
I got saved, we had three more born.

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Wow.

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But, I've lived, I've had, I haven't
been good by no means, but I've lived,

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I've been a happy person since the
day I got back with my wife, and

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I haven't had a drink since 1970.

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Speaker: So after you got saved,
did you start going to church?

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Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I went.

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I forgot what day of the week that
was, but it was maybe Wednesday or

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Thursday, but I went to church Sunday
and made a proclamation of faith.

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Went up, went to the altar
and the church welcomed me.

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I want, I, my throne had been a member
of the First Baptist Elected for years.

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But she was willing, and we talked
about it, she was willing to go to

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church with me where I wanted to go.

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So we joined, I joined the church,
and then later on, we could say

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later she joined the church.

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All the children that were
members of the First Baptist

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joined the Pioneer and Baptist.

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what was the name of the church?

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Pioneer and Baptist Church in Floyddale.

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And that's up near Dillon.

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Speaker: Oh, okay.

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Speaker 2: But, anyway, a lot
of other things I could have

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told, but That's the boring part.

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Speaker: what has your
life been like since, 1970?

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How did it change?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it changed, I just, I
really don't believe I ever cared, I

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look back on my life and I don't think
I cared about anybody but myself.

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I love my children.

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I've, I took up a lot of time
with my boys and my girls too,

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but not like I should have.

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But since then it's been, It's just been
a wonderful, I've had, me and my wife

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have had some wonderful time together.

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Me and the children have had
some wonderful time together.

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it's just been a
wonderful life since 1970.

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Speaker: So I know, that your whole
family would get together every

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holiday, 4th of July week at Oceanau,
and then Thanksgiving and Christmas

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and, So you have, all of your children
are very close to you and Florinette.

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Of course, tell us about Florinette.

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What, how did, How did
she influence your life?

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Speaker 2: She probably had more
influence, I think she had more influence

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on my life than any other one person.

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Because she, when I was drinking,
I tried my best to get her to

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ride around with me and drink.

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She would never take a drop,
drink a drop of anything.

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And when I was drinking,
she wouldn't ride with me.

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And, she was just a, she spent most of
her life, Doing things for other people.

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And, she did a lot for me too.

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But she, She loved the Lord.

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And she, She taught a Sunday
school class for years.

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But she worked in the Christ Church.

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Three different churches.

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But she just, she enjoyed
doing things for other people.

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And she did a lot for other people.

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Not to have a lot of income and
a lot of money, but she made do.

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Speaker: tell us about your children.

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Start with the oldest.

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My oldest

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Speaker 2: daughter was Frankie.

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She was born on December the 1953
and, she's my next oldest son was

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Jamie, he was born two years later.

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He was born on April Fool's Day.

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And, But, when they were in
school and all, they went on

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mission trips in the summer.

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They spent two summers on an island
called San Andres Island in South America.

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Columbia, South America.

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And, but, Frankie Went to college,
graduated there, and then she went

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to seminary in Dallas, Dallas, Texas.

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That's where she met her husband,
in the seminary in Dallas, Texas.

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And, Jamie my oldest boy,
he went to West Point.

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in 73.

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they graduated in 77, and my
next oldest was a boy Steve.

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And he went to West
Point in, 77, I believe.

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No, that would be right.

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He was, maybe he graduated in
79, so he went four, seven.

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He went from 55,

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Speaker: Uhhuh,

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. 
Speaker 2: But then he married a, he
met a girl in, When he was at West

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Portland, and he got married right after
he got out of, graduated from college.

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And then my next oldest boy was, William.

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he went to Clemson then.

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And, he got married right
after he got out of college.

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And, the next lady was,

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I guess Lisa.

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My daughter Lisa.

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And she graduated from Winthrop and
went to medical, went to, medical

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school and she's a registered nurse.

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She got married, I don't
remember what year it was.

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She lived with her husband.

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They had three children,
three wonderful children.

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And they got a divorce.

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Next child was Timmy.

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And, he went to Watford College
on a football scholarship.

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And Beth was Dex, and and then
Claire, she, she got married, and

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she got a bunch of children, anyway.

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the three children that were born
after I got saved was Samantha,

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and Benji, and Kyle, all three of
them got married after I got saved.

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We just had a wonderful
time with children.

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I got 11 wonderful children and
every one of them were Christians.

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And, and, they, they just,
they've never disappointed me.

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They've been, they're wonderful children.

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My, my girls look after me now.

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I'm too old to look after myself.

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Beth, my daughter Beth
cooks for me every day.

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Every evening, and Sam comes by every day
to sit, and she does a lot for me, too.

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But they all the girls, Frankie
visits me about every week.

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And Lisa does, too.

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They all, they just all look up.

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I get attended to well.

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My, my wife, Thornette,
died two years ago, in June.

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And, I've really, I've, I've missed her.

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I don't, I just can't get, I
don't want to get over it, but.

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I can't wait to see her one day in heaven.

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Speaker: Well, We have that hope in Christ
that we will see our loved ones again.

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Right.

00:26:18.263 --> 00:26:22.329
Right I just want to ask you,

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I'm looking from the outside and I'm
seeing you got married when you were 16.

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Flornette was 15.

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Right.

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So y'all never graduated from high school.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Flornette went to, we both
went to, School in Florida.

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Got her GED and went
on to went to college.

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Francis Mary.

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Speaker: Oh,

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Speaker 2: okay.

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The night I was supposed to take
my test to graduate from the GED,

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I was drinking and I didn't go.

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Okay.

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I said, forget it.

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Speaker: but now you  got  11, all of
those children have college educations.

00:27:04.633 --> 00:27:05.793
How do you think that happened?

00:27:06.673 --> 00:27:07.913
Speaker 2: They were just smarter than me.

00:27:09.221 --> 00:27:10.881
They weren't wild like I was.

00:27:10.961 --> 00:27:11.561
Thank the Lord.

00:27:11.561 --> 00:27:12.421
Praise the Lord for that.

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Speaker: I just, I think it's remarkable,
all 11 of your children are believers

00:27:21.311 --> 00:27:23.201
and they graduated from college.

00:27:23.201 --> 00:27:26.101
They have successful careers and families.

00:27:26.541 --> 00:27:30.821
Wonderful families, and so how
many grandchildren do you have?

00:27:30.821 --> 00:27:31.111
We got

00:27:31.131 --> 00:27:35.568
Speaker 2: 48 grandchildren, and
Counting the grandchildren and the great

00:27:35.568 --> 00:27:37.698
grandchildren, we got 107 right now.

00:27:40.904 --> 00:27:45.544
Speaker: as we're recording
this is Christmas Eve 2024.

00:27:47.014 --> 00:27:50.934
So you, you're just blessed
to have this big family and,

00:27:50.984 --> 00:27:56.294
I can, I just want to say, looking
from the outside, I can see how it

00:27:56.334 --> 00:28:02.004
wasn't you that did all this, you
attributed it all to, to God, to Jesus.

00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:09.579
The floor net that, you have all
these children, grandchildren, great

00:28:09.969 --> 00:28:11.919
grandchildren, they're all doing well.

00:28:12.409 --> 00:28:18.439
it's just like your whole life has
been, led by God, by the Holy Spirit.

00:28:19.399 --> 00:28:22.139
Speaker 2: Well, if there's any
credit to be given to my children, my

00:28:22.139 --> 00:28:25.729
family, you can give it all to Floor
Net because She raised them up there.

00:28:26.169 --> 00:28:26.349
Yeah.

00:28:26.434 --> 00:28:26.934
All to go.

00:28:27.069 --> 00:28:32.274
We, I never, my, none of my
children, all of them never got

00:28:32.274 --> 00:28:33.684
up on Sunday morning to see 'em.

00:28:33.684 --> 00:28:34.674
We were going go to church.

00:28:34.874 --> 00:28:36.434
they just got up and started dressed.

00:28:36.434 --> 00:28:37.634
They knew ever wanted to church.

00:28:37.639 --> 00:28:37.909
Yeah.

00:28:37.909 --> 00:28:39.074
And they wanted to go to church.

00:28:39.254 --> 00:28:40.514
They learned to love to go to church.

00:28:40.514 --> 00:28:42.164
It wasn't like they were forced to go.

00:28:42.164 --> 00:28:42.704
Yeah.

00:28:43.824 --> 00:28:47.064
But she just lived a life
around them and 10 treated them.

00:28:49.034 --> 00:28:50.294
she's a wonderful lady.

00:28:50.724 --> 00:28:56.154
Ain't many people that raise children
over there, and she could do it.

00:28:56.924 --> 00:29:01.724
She raised them up in the Lord's
house, and she read scripture to

00:29:01.724 --> 00:29:06.504
them every day, and every night,
on a devotion, and she'd look.

00:29:08.184 --> 00:29:12.409
If there's any credit to be given, Give
it all to her because she deserves it.

00:29:12.609 --> 00:29:13.869
I don't deserve any of

00:29:14.379 --> 00:29:14.409
Speaker 3: it.

00:29:16.169 --> 00:29:19.479
Speaker: Well, you probably
did a lot more than than you'll

00:29:19.479 --> 00:29:21.742
admit to after you got saved.

00:29:23.012 --> 00:29:30.476
But let me ask you, now in 2024,
You're still living between

00:29:30.486 --> 00:29:33.736
Lakeview and Dillon, South Carolina.

00:29:34.196 --> 00:29:34.866
What do you,

00:29:34.916 --> 00:29:38.986
what kind of advice would you
have for young people today?

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Anybody who, might be
off track like you were?

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Speaker 2: it's, if, I think if a person
could just realize that you don't have to.

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Clean up your life.

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You can't clean up your life.

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You got to turn it over to Jesus
Christ and he'll clean it up.

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And Jesus Christ made this
ultimate sacrifice for us.

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And he died for our sins and you don't
have to, all you gotta do is it is,

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turn your life over to him and ask him
to come into your life and save you.

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And things things will begin to
change and it'll be different.

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And, and there's nobody done enough
bad that they can't be saved.

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Yes, it is.

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Sometimes it's, if you got an
addiction, it is hard to, you have

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to fight it yourself some, but the
Lord will take it away from you.

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Speaker: So he took it away from you.

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that reminds me of 2 Corinthians 5.

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17 where it says that when we receive
Christ, we become new creatures.

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He makes us new.

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It's not like we have to get.

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We

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Speaker 2: don't

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Speaker: do a

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Speaker 2: thing for ourselves.

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It's all Jesus.

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Speaker: Yeah.

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So it starts with just trusting Him.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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that's the best advice I
think anybody could hear.

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Well, is there anything else you
want to add before we wrap things

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Speaker 2: up?

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That's just a kind of overview of my life.

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I, I just thank the Lord for saving me.

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I can't wait to get home.

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Go to heaven and see my wife.

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Speaker: Yeah.

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that's going to be great.

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That's

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Speaker 2: what I think
about in the morning.

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Yeah.

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Speaker: So you've been without
her for two years and, you're just

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looking forward to seeing her again.

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Well, you're not, you're not
just sitting around waiting.

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You're doing things.

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You still go on to your, to church and,
fellowshipping and being with your family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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I'm involved in a good church.

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First Baptist in Dillon.

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I'm still enjoying going to church,
getting a good Sunday school class.

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I've been on the Deacon Board
several times but I haven't

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I'm not on that anymore.

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I'm too old to be anything
that, but a nuisance.

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Speaker: But you still get out and hunt
and you still do things around the house.

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You still keep yourself pretty busy.

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Speaker 2: That's, I can
eat as good as I ever could.

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Speaker: Still eating good.

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Speaker 2: That's about the whole thing.

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Speaker: Well, would you mind praying
for our listeners before we wrap things

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Speaker 2: up?

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Father, thank you so
much for this day, Lord.

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Just thank you for all
you've done for us, Lord.

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Thank you for it.

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This time of the year we thank you for
Jesus Christ and what he did for us.

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We thank you that he had to come as a
babe before he could come as a savior.

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Lord, we just for this.

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My prayer for everybody, for
people that unloaded and up saved

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and Turn your life over to Jesus.

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Just ask Him to come into your heart.

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And He'll, if you mean business,
and ask Him to come into your

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life and save you, He'll do it.

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If you'll promise to live for
Him the rest of your life.

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Thank you so much, Lord, for saving me.

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Thank you for the wonderful life
I've lived, that you've given me.

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I didn't do anything.

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The life you've given me, and thank
you for the wonderful wife I had, and

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thank you for giving me the shorts, and
I know I'm gonna see her again one day.

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In Jesus name, amen.

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Amen.

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That person may even be you.

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Our only criteria is
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Most Christians don't share their
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their story is not interesting enough,
or that it's self centered to talk

00:34:37.647 --> 00:34:42.687
about themselves, or that they are not
competent to explain the gospel correctly.

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But none of that is relevant.

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If Jesus has changed your
life, you have a story to tell.

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All of our stories are completely unique.

00:34:51.872 --> 00:34:56.642
No one has a story like yours, and you
may be the only one who can reach someone

00:34:56.642 --> 00:34:58.422
else through telling your experience.

00:34:58.992 --> 00:35:00.362
So don't be intimidated.

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A story is just that, a true account
of your own experience, and no one

00:35:06.122 --> 00:35:08.062
can disagree with your experience.

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When we tell what Jesus has done in
our lives, we are being obedient to his

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command to go into all the world and
preach the gospel to every creature.

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It's not about theology, and it's not
about how interesting or special you are.

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It's all about Jesus.

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So when you're ready to tell how Jesus
has impacted your life, you can let Jesse

00:35:29.157 --> 00:35:32.277
know at his ministry website, jesseduke.

00:35:32.297 --> 00:35:32.557
net.

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There you can download guidelines
that will make it easy to

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prepare to tell your story.

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Thank you for listening today and Shalom.