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You are listening to the USDN on the

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DFPN.

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Thank you.

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What is up, everybody?

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It's the chairman here of the United

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States Department of Nerds,

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where we are for the people,

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by the people, and of the people.

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And tonight, comments aren't just stories.

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They're classified anomalies of art,

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imagination, and unregulated nerd energy.

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tonight we're stepping through a

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dimensional rift into a fantasy apocalypse

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wasteland where greek gods take up arms

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mutant cyborg cyborg screech for blood and

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unicorns well

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They suffer fates we don't describe before

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dinner.

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Guns, magic, mayhem, and machines.

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This is Lord of the Cosmos number five.

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An eighties inspired heavy metal drenched

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cyber fantasy odyssey and the mastermind

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behind this mutant empire is with us

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tonight.

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creator, illustrator,

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and a fantastic world builder.

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The artist who makes lizards with

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revolvers look dignified.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Jason Lennox.

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Chairman, thanks.

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I am blown away by the kind words.

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I'm still blown away by the cool intro,

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Little John, Star Wars.

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And I just realized the background is like

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we're flying through space.

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So I just I just now.

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And yeah,

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it's like we're on a big trip together.

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Thanks for having me as a guest this

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evening.

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Oh, absolutely.

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You're welcome, dude.

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Yeah.

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And I'm going to be honest with you.

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You're the first guy who's like, hey,

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here's all my stuff.

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can I come on?

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And I was like, dude,

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I didn't even have to ask for shit.

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You were just like, yep, here you go,

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dude.

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Here's everything.

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And it was literally everything.

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I was like, Oh,

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this guy made it so easy.

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Like, hell yeah.

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I want this guy on.

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Here's the thing.

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It's hard enough.

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It's hard enough to get people to want

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to look at what you're doing.

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Cause there's so many options for people

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to read, watch, listen, et cetera, that,

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um,

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in a world of file sharing and

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organization,

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you got to make it easy and painless

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because we're always trying to find new

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new readers.

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So I'm glad you appreciated that.

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I have everything always ready to go.

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I'm always eager to meet new and diverse

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audiences from around the galaxy because I

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always want to find new readers, right?

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Because that's what it's really all about.

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Yeah.

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As you want to get new people on

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board.

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You definitely got me as a new reader.

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And like I told you earlier,

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I read it again today.

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I read it when you sent it.

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I read it again today.

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And each time you read it,

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you find something else you really like

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about it.

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And I can always get behind and support

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that type of entertainment.

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But first,

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welcome to the Council of Nerds, my man.

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And before we crack open your latest

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chapter of issue five,

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for the uninitiated,

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what is Lords of the Cosmos and what

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chaos is

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is about to erupt for people just learning

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about it.

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So the story of Lords of the Cosmos

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starts off in issue one,

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where we're kind of, as the readers,

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rolling into the aftermath of decades or

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centuries of warfare on a planet that is

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kind of like Eternia from He-Man and

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Masters of the Universe.

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It's kind of like Mongo from Flash Gordon.

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It's kind of like...

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the planet from thundercats first earth

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and i'm forgetting what third earth third

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earth right uh where there's technology

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there's magic uh there's robots there's

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talking cats there's wizards there's

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cyborgs so pretty much anything can happen

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right and you've had the lords of the

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cosmos and then their enemies the

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disciples of umex who are both basically

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armies that have

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been fighting for quite some time and they

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stopped fighting because they've beaten

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each other to a pulp uh over the

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last couple decades so it starts off with

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the villains uh they're the focus and

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they're starting to go back on the march

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because they've gotten off the mat and

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they want to hunt down the lords of

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the cosmos and they want to finish it

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after many rounds of fighting and then

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We start following them as they realize

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the Lords of the Cosmos have gone into

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hiding and they start laying siege to the

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world.

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And over the first five issues,

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the villains,

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the disciples of Umex have taken their

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campaign to the capital of the world,

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Gem Spire.

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and the Lords of the Cosmos are making

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a decision about whether or not to come

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out of their self-imposed exile and or

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retirement and working to summon all of

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their remaining soldiers from around the

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world.

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Each issue

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is an anthology, though,

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because I love anthologies.

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I've always been a huge fan of books

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like heavy metal, etc.

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I've always enjoyed that format.

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So what we've been able to do with

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Lords of the Cosmos is we have our

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main story that basically follows that

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storyline, which is the main, you know,

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current time story.

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But each issue has branching side stories

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that start picking up on

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or events you see in the main story.

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And I always like to think of Starship

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Troopers.

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Would you like to know more?

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So you'll read the main story and then

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you'll start seeing other stories by

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different writers and artists in this

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universe where they start spotlighting and

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highlighting, again, different issues,

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different characters.

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So we keep building the world out like

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branches from a tree.

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So where the main story's going is a

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little bit obvious.

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It's gonna be a final showdown.

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Ideally,

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we can wrap it up in ten issues.

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That's been the plan since we started it

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years ago.

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So we're kind of pushing towards the good

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guys and the bad guys having one final

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throwdown for the ages.

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But along the way,

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we're discovering a lot of, well,

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what the hell's going on and who are

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these characters?

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And as we've talked about before the show,

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there's a lot going on, right?

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So the world of Lords of the Cosmos

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and planet Aiden and the Disciples of

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Umex,

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there are layers and layers and layers and

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things,

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and we start going backwards in time,

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you know, by the year, by the decade.

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One of the stories goes back thousands,

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or I'm sorry,

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hundreds of thousands of years to a time

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when there's intelligent plants flooding

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on the planets,

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that one of those characters exists into

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the present as basically an intelligent

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plant that lives inside a machine that

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apparently can't die.

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And has been making bad decisions over

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millennia and now has decided to fight for

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the side of good in the present.

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So that's really what Lords of the Cosmos

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is.

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But, you know, from a reader standpoint,

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it's a black and white anthology.

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I like to think about it a lot

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as the issues are very influenced by Heavy

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Metal Magazine in two thousand eighty for

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the formatting.

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So the books have between three and five

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stories in each book.

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And so I'm black and white,

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and there's a lot of different artists,

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and there's a lot of different, you know,

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writers and styles.

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So it's Lords of the Cosmos, but,

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you know,

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myself and Jason Palminter and Dennis

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Fallon,

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we've always appreciated and had a lot of

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love for other people's, you know,

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diverse talents, diverse skill sets,

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different writing styles,

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different art styles,

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but to bring it under one banner with

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a character guide and an ongoing story

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uh you know story bible so that's kind

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of the general gist of what words of

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the is thematically things that we were

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inspired by uh silver hawks thundercats

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masters of the universe flash gordon uh

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which is wild because all those things are

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are back now

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Yeah, they're all cycling back.

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Thundar the Barbarian,

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which was a cartoon from the early

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eighties that I loved a lot as a

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kid.

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And so if we gave Lords of the

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Cosmos kind of a theme,

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like you have like Western science

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fiction, you know,

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I would call this sci-fi barbarians.

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Right.

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Because, like I said, it's in again,

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some of those titles, you know, again,

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Silverhawks, Thundercats, Flash Gordon,

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Masters of the Universe,

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where it's kind of a OK,

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there's kind of like some swashbuckling

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heroes.

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But then there's robots, flying horses,

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jet planes.

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Right.

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Well,

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there's a lot of things that just kind

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of don't make a whole lot of sense.

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Like there's a talking cat and guys with

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rifles.

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Right.

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and you have to have a little bit

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of disbelief to just to say okay we're

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going to understand there's some things in

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here that just they don't really make a

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whole lot of sense um i remember with

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you know he-man one of the toys was

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a jet fighter the looking eagle and it's

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like okay so you have a guy with

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a sword is going to fight like a

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you know an f you know an f-fifteen

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but you know for what it was it

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just it worked because it didn't make a

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whole lot of sense

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and that's what makes it beautiful and

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what one of the things i want to

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point out he was referring to the stories

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within the stories within the stories and

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if you pay close enough attention you'll

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see a little box in the lower right

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hand corner sometimes that refers to what

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they're talking about oh this is from this

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story from this issue and then if you

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have it digital like i do you can

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just go back to that story and that

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issue and be like yeah now remember what

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that right there

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I really liked the way you did that.

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That to me was like, I'm like,

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this is awesome.

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Cause you're,

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but although there was some that you're

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referring to that haven't happened yet,

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like it's in a different issue.

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I was like, I'm like,

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I see what you did there, but yeah,

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I'm like, okay.

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Number six is when.

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Some of the ones,

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we may never go anywhere.

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Some of them we may drop in and

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they're there.

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Some go back to old issues.

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You don't really know.

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One of the things we did in issue

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four, we asked fans to write us letters.

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The fan letters were hilarious.

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They were printed at the end of issue

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four, which I thought was cool.

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Some of them

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Well,

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and one of them went off about the

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live action movie that went south and how

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the toy line and, you know,

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one person talked about their mom throwing

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out their back issues back in the day.

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I actually had one person that was like,

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I don't remember the show being on,

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but it's cool.

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You got the license for it.

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And that was kind of another kind of

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bit of fun we had with it.

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Like,

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let's let's drop people in immediately

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that the issues are self-referential to a

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bigger being a bigger pop culture

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phenomenon.

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Kind of like when you watch South Park

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and they have Terrence and Phillip, right?

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It's like a popular show in universe.

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So Lords of the Cosmos, you know,

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the back of every issue has a toy.

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Yeah,

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that was one of my favorite things to

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see when you got to the end of

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the issue and you seen the toy that

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was picked for that one issue.

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I was like, dude, this is so cool.

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So there's a lot of that stuff that's

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self-referential that like we're dropping

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you in as a reader that we're all

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kind of in on it,

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that Lords of the Cosmos was like this

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big pop culture phenomenon from the

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eighties and kind of went away in the

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early nineties that,

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that in that letters page is kind of

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the one hint to that phase of where

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it was trying to break out like other,

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you know, pop culture items of the time.

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And it just didn't quite make it into

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the nineties, right?

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The kids were into it and it kind

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of faded away.

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So yeah,

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Well,

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some of it couldn't have come with it

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into the nineties,

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like some of the cartoons and some of

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the stuff that was said or done during

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those

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They're in the cartoons in the eighties.

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Yeah.

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They probably wouldn't have made it too

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far in the nineties anyway.

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So,

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so that's kind of the overall big picture

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look of the theme of the book,

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the style and type of the book,

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and then kind of our own nod to

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our kind of in-universe fun we have with

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this is Lords of the Cosmos.

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And it's,

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it's this gigantic property that never

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existed.

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so going in was this always planned to

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be a a ten book series or was

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there a certain point in issue one that

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was kind of like an aha moment like

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hey i think we got something here let's

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let's start planning this out further into

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the future

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We always had an idea for where the

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series would start and end.

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And as we've slowly gotten through five

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issues,

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we have a pretty good idea of where

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it needs to end.

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I say ten, it could go eleven.

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But the idea is that...

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Issue six is going to be,

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if it was a roller coaster,

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it's going to be like the top of

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the mountain.

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And then from there on,

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it's going to go crazy on the way

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out.

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And then the idea is to end it,

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right?

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To bring it to a conclusion and bring

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it to an end.

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So I think it's going to end up

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being bigger than we originally thought it

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was.

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But you got to tell the story that

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you want to tell.

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And we know how to get there.

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We just got to wind our way through

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doing it.

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did you always imagine it being an

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anthology style like that because i mean

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i'm like you i love a good anthology

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like there's nothing better than a good

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anthology comic book so when we started

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working on this book nine or the series

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nine years ago um dennis and jason had

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so many ideas and i had so many

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ideas and the idea was that i would

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draw everything and then you hit a point

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with the first issue where it was like

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these are so many good ideas i don't

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have time to do all this and we

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said well what if we

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what if we just changed what the format

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was and made it an anthology and then

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we can,

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have other writers, other artists,

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and then it frees us up to do,

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because you only have one artist,

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then I become a limiter, right?

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Then if I can't, it'll take me forever.

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You know,

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so you have to be able to let

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go of doing everything and embrace the

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change, right?

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Embrace having people that have completely

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different styles and everything else.

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It's cool, though,

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that you learned that early on and noticed

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that limitation early on because there's a

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lot of people who don't know how to

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let go.

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Yeah.

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and they become their own worst enemies so

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one of the things that happened during uh

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issue three was david newbold who's done a

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couple of short stories for us he's an

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incredible artist he said hey i'm not

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really clear how big some of these

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characters are are they man size are they

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giants are they

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Kaiju.

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He just said,

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I have no idea what's going on.

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We actually hired an artist to do a

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character scale sheet.

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Do you want to bring it up?

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Yes.

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I don't have it handy,

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but did I send it to you?

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Bring it up.

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Good guys or bad guys?

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We can do the good guys.

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Let's do them.

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But David asked us to do that.

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And again,

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that was one of those things that it

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was a super request and we really should

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have thought of it in the first place.

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But we've used that now since issue three

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to give to people to say this is

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a guide.

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These are names.

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These are what these characters generally

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look like.

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you know, that way.

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And then you can see how big they

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are.

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Right.

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So most of the characters are man,

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you know, man sized.

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And there's,

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there's a couple of characters that are

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bigger.

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And then you have one that's like a

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Kaiju.

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So one of the guys, I'm sorry, Eric,

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who designs all or builds all of our

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toys, Eric,

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he's so funny when he saw this,

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he said, well, he said,

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those are weekend action figure purchases.

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And then the middle size ones are

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birthday.

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And the big ones are Christmas.

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When I was a kid,

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Right.

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It's true.

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It's true.

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So it's like an action figure vehicles.

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And then the big characters,

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like a gigantic place that like the USS

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flag, right.

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From GI Joe.

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The turtle is by far like my favorite.

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And then this doesn't even show the

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battleship that they ride on.

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Yeah, well, the giant sea turtle.

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So the giant sea turtle,

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when you meet him in issue four,

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he basically has like a battleship,

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like he's a ship.

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Right.

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Then when he's introduced in the current

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time,

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he's just got his cannons on his side.

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So we're basically kind of throwing the

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fact that he's kind of a multipurpose

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tool.

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where he can be modded up with different

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equipment tools.

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He can walk on the land.

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He can swim in the sea.

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And you see him as a warship.

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And then you see him as kind of

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this gigantic walking creature.

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We do have his origin story written.

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It has not been drawn yet.

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Yes, his origin story is pretty wild.

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It basically plays out like a two-part

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cartoon from Transformers where they

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introduce a weird character.

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So, yes, he's an incredibly old character.

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He predates he predates Orca Memnon,

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the plant character.

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So he goes back even further beyond.

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Oh, nice, because I liked his backstory,

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too.

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Like that was that one was really good.

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And the fact that he's still carrying

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around his brothers and sisters basically

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in seed form,

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just waiting for the opportunity to

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replant them and reintroduce his people to

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the world.

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Yeah,

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so kind of a quick insight into that.

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So each side has one gigantic character.

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So the bad guys have like a cyborg

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dragon,

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and then the good guys have a gigantic

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turtle.

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The idea is that those two creatures were

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weapons from a war that predates the plant

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people that you saw.

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We'll give them a little sampling.

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So the plant people that you see,

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that's their post-apocalyptic era after

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another war that knocked them down from

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being very high tech.

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So that plant robot armor that Orca Memnon

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has,

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that's a relic from the time when these

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creatures were used as weapons in a war.

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So we've kind of gone backwards a little

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bit too with some of this stuff,

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which is really fun.

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I like weird old stuff and I like

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fleshing out some of these characters,

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how they're all interconnected.

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All the characters are so different and so

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unique,

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and I love the fact that part of

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the anthology has given us the backstory

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to a character.

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It's a very unique thing,

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and I really like that you're fleshing it

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out that way,

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because it's not something you see often.

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And when those popped into my email,

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I was like, oh,

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he sent everything like literally.

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And I was like looking at these,

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I was like so fascinated by the character

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sheets that I probably spent a good,

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you know, fifteen,

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twenty minutes just studying character

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sheets before I even started reading

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volume one of this book.

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And I was just like,

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I can't get enough of this.

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Like it's so good.

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Yeah.

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if you're of a certain age and you

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might be chairman, um,

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one of the things that I was obsessed

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with as a kid in the eighties was

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especially with GI Joe and transformers,

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you'd get a toy, whatever.

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And on the back,

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they would have like a, like a card,

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um,

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This is Frenzy.

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He's a Decepticon.

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If you remember,

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they had a piece of red plastic that

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you had to put up and it would

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show you firepower, strength,

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intelligence.

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Then it would have maybe a paragraph about

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the character.

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This character could do this and hates

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this character.

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As a kid,

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you'd have these toys and you'd have these

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little, you know, kind of summaries.

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And that's where our imaginations went

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wild.

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So you were like, you know, man,

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I wish I knew more why frenzy can't

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stand, you know,

00:20:01.128 --> 00:20:03.432
trail breaker or whatever the case may be.

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And there was a lot of,

00:20:06.104 --> 00:20:08.825
creativity those little tidbits gave to

00:20:08.904 --> 00:20:10.006
basically just a bunch of toys.

00:20:11.686 --> 00:20:12.926
It's fun.

00:20:13.406 --> 00:20:16.808
I like that aspect of it because literally

00:20:16.868 --> 00:20:18.450
it felt just like a walk through my

00:20:18.509 --> 00:20:21.010
childhood for five straight issues.

00:20:21.631 --> 00:20:22.991
Even through puberty for one of those

00:20:23.051 --> 00:20:23.432
issues.

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I'm not going to lie.

00:20:24.112 --> 00:20:25.813
There's a cover for number five that

00:20:26.512 --> 00:20:27.653
probably would have helped me get through

00:20:27.673 --> 00:20:28.733
puberty back in the day.

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We'll talk about the covers later.

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There's literally...

00:20:35.393 --> 00:20:36.713
I felt like I hit the eighties and

00:20:36.733 --> 00:20:38.214
the nineties and the two thousands,

00:20:38.234 --> 00:20:39.836
the whole nine going through this book.

00:20:39.896 --> 00:20:40.557
And I loved it.

00:20:44.300 --> 00:20:45.240
If you got that feeling,

00:20:45.260 --> 00:20:46.362
we're doing our job, right?

00:20:46.382 --> 00:20:46.803
That's great.

00:20:47.303 --> 00:20:48.104
A hundred percent.

00:20:48.284 --> 00:20:48.924
A hundred percent.

00:20:48.964 --> 00:20:50.526
If people didn't say that,

00:20:50.546 --> 00:20:51.987
then they're lying to themselves.

00:20:52.528 --> 00:20:53.949
But let's talk about number five.

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This is the war on Aiden.

00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.383
And it picks up immediately where number

00:20:59.442 --> 00:21:01.684
four leaves off, like no breathing room,

00:21:01.724 --> 00:21:04.167
no water breaks, no safety rails,

00:21:04.188 --> 00:21:05.849
just straight back into it.

00:21:06.391 --> 00:21:08.212
And let's just talk about like stories in

00:21:08.252 --> 00:21:08.673
this book.

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You have enemy of my enemy.

00:21:11.237 --> 00:21:11.297
Yep.

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And we see – I think his –

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I'm not sure how you pronounce his name.

00:21:15.452 --> 00:21:15.732
Aegis.

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Aegis.

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Okay.

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So I pronounced it right for a whole

00:21:19.959 --> 00:21:20.199
issue.

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I'm happy.

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Good.

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So he summons all his other lords of

00:21:24.744 --> 00:21:26.307
the cosmos to him.

00:21:27.048 --> 00:21:27.888
With his sword,

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which has a very unique history in and

00:21:29.869 --> 00:21:30.430
of itself.

00:21:30.450 --> 00:21:33.291
And I want everybody to go buy –

00:21:32.372 --> 00:21:33.632
I think it was issue four that gave

00:21:33.672 --> 00:21:34.393
us the backstory.

00:21:35.252 --> 00:21:38.395
Go read issue number four because you get

00:21:38.435 --> 00:21:41.438
a phenomenal backstory for this sword that

00:21:41.518 --> 00:21:44.118
is like – he had probably the most

00:21:44.159 --> 00:21:46.320
interesting backstory of everybody in the

00:21:46.361 --> 00:21:47.240
book just about.

00:21:48.481 --> 00:21:50.723
And he talks.

00:21:50.743 --> 00:21:51.784
He has a thirst for blood.

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I love it.

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I've seen that in –

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Oh, the D&D show on Amazon Prime.

00:22:01.191 --> 00:22:04.353
They had a sword like that.

00:22:04.373 --> 00:22:07.695
Not the Mighty Nein, but the one...

00:22:07.715 --> 00:22:08.916
Was it the one that was like secret

00:22:09.136 --> 00:22:10.458
video games or something?

00:22:11.239 --> 00:22:11.538
No.

00:22:12.219 --> 00:22:12.500
No.

00:22:14.621 --> 00:22:15.382
I'm brain farting it,

00:22:15.501 --> 00:22:16.903
which I've been doing a lot here lately.

00:22:17.202 --> 00:22:17.763
You'll find it.

00:22:17.923 --> 00:22:19.944
I need some Ginkgo Biloba or whatever it

00:22:20.006 --> 00:22:21.446
is to help you with the memory stuff.

00:22:22.287 --> 00:22:22.467
But...

00:22:24.332 --> 00:22:27.272
His mental state as he summons the heroes

00:22:27.373 --> 00:22:29.854
with like the living lightning.

00:22:31.055 --> 00:22:33.076
This dude had basically just been staring

00:22:33.135 --> 00:22:36.116
into space for eons basically at this

00:22:36.156 --> 00:22:36.477
point.

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And then all of a sudden it's like,

00:22:39.137 --> 00:22:41.138
okay, the threat is real.

00:22:41.598 --> 00:22:43.400
Let me bring the homies in for the

00:22:43.460 --> 00:22:43.940
business.

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So what were y'all thinking when y'all

00:22:47.382 --> 00:22:49.563
were doing that scenes with him?

00:22:50.842 --> 00:22:53.303
so the idea with the lords of the

00:22:53.343 --> 00:22:55.202
cosmos is when they start off they're

00:22:55.222 --> 00:22:57.644
basically there's a there there used to be

00:22:57.663 --> 00:22:59.065
a lot more of them and there used

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to be a lot more umex guys but

00:23:01.726 --> 00:23:03.425
in the toy world right you'd only have

00:23:03.665 --> 00:23:05.346
limited sets so you have to explain why

00:23:05.386 --> 00:23:06.686
they're only like you know fifteen of

00:23:06.707 --> 00:23:08.248
these guys on each side because it's a

00:23:08.268 --> 00:23:11.769
toy set so he's no that's really cool

00:23:11.788 --> 00:23:14.450
though most of his men are dead his

00:23:14.730 --> 00:23:17.330
his brother who's the statue with the

00:23:17.371 --> 00:23:17.851
trident

00:23:19.061 --> 00:23:19.542
He's dead.

00:23:19.583 --> 00:23:21.244
So his own brother got killed by the

00:23:21.305 --> 00:23:22.226
main villain, right?

00:23:22.306 --> 00:23:23.146
Yeah, we see that.

00:23:23.907 --> 00:23:24.648
And he's like, I'm out.

00:23:24.709 --> 00:23:25.650
He's like, I don't want to fight.

00:23:25.810 --> 00:23:26.490
I don't want to kill.

00:23:26.832 --> 00:23:27.132
He goes,

00:23:27.593 --> 00:23:29.394
I no longer want to participate in any

00:23:29.454 --> 00:23:29.756
of this.

00:23:29.915 --> 00:23:30.316
I'm out.

00:23:30.737 --> 00:23:32.278
And there's only a handful of his soldiers

00:23:32.298 --> 00:23:33.000
that are still with him.

00:23:33.915 --> 00:23:35.176
And then they're all arguing.

00:23:35.196 --> 00:23:35.798
We should fight.

00:23:35.857 --> 00:23:36.458
We shouldn't fight.

00:23:36.498 --> 00:23:37.199
It's all rumors.

00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:39.141
We can't just sit here and do nothing.

00:23:39.941 --> 00:23:41.502
And then they show him what's happening

00:23:41.522 --> 00:23:42.222
around the world.

00:23:42.983 --> 00:23:44.345
And he basically loses it.

00:23:45.105 --> 00:23:46.967
And he's taken that sword and he's locked

00:23:46.987 --> 00:23:48.308
it away because it's so powerful.

00:23:48.328 --> 00:23:49.750
It's like a weapon of mass destruction.

00:23:49.789 --> 00:23:51.030
So he goes and gets it.

00:23:51.551 --> 00:23:53.692
And he says, we have to summon...

00:23:54.554 --> 00:23:57.516
what's left of our soldiers because the

00:23:57.576 --> 00:23:59.057
rest of them are like rather around the

00:23:59.096 --> 00:24:01.117
world they base they've all kind of quit

00:24:01.157 --> 00:24:03.778
on the game and he's basically it's it's

00:24:03.798 --> 00:24:05.921
the it's the thundercat too right the

00:24:05.961 --> 00:24:07.260
symbol it's the oh yeah that's that's

00:24:07.340 --> 00:24:09.221
that's the first thing i thought at the

00:24:09.261 --> 00:24:10.603
moment he held up the sword in the

00:24:10.663 --> 00:24:12.104
light and shot through and the thunder

00:24:12.163 --> 00:24:13.785
rang out i was like yeah

00:24:16.212 --> 00:24:17.314
So basically he's saying,

00:24:17.413 --> 00:24:19.135
I've got to get everyone back together,

00:24:19.316 --> 00:24:19.556
right?

00:24:19.596 --> 00:24:21.657
Which will address that in the next issue

00:24:21.698 --> 00:24:22.798
of like, do they come back?

00:24:22.818 --> 00:24:23.819
Do they not want to come back?

00:24:25.842 --> 00:24:27.844
The Lords of the Cosmos are not together.

00:24:28.163 --> 00:24:29.645
The bad guys are together.

00:24:30.205 --> 00:24:31.826
And as you learned in issue four,

00:24:32.267 --> 00:24:34.207
they're doing things on purpose to bait

00:24:34.227 --> 00:24:35.087
these guys out.

00:24:35.147 --> 00:24:36.607
And then you caught the thing where they

00:24:36.627 --> 00:24:38.189
were jamming all the radio signals from

00:24:38.209 --> 00:24:38.848
the Capitol.

00:24:39.189 --> 00:24:40.469
And then Umex, the main villain,

00:24:40.489 --> 00:24:41.910
says shut it off to his guys.

00:24:41.930 --> 00:24:42.609
And they're like, well,

00:24:42.990 --> 00:24:44.070
but if we shut it off,

00:24:44.411 --> 00:24:46.671
then the Lords of the Cosmos will hear

00:24:46.711 --> 00:24:47.491
the distress call.

00:24:47.511 --> 00:24:48.211
And he's like, I know.

00:24:48.811 --> 00:24:50.512
Like he wants to fight.

00:24:50.573 --> 00:24:51.833
He's like, no, shut it down.

00:24:52.893 --> 00:24:54.114
He wants his end game.

00:24:54.826 --> 00:24:55.487
He wants the end.

00:24:55.507 --> 00:24:56.847
He wants to draw these guys out.

00:24:56.907 --> 00:24:57.188
Right.

00:24:58.048 --> 00:25:00.589
So then that's part one of the main

00:25:00.630 --> 00:25:01.089
story.

00:25:01.450 --> 00:25:02.951
But the living lightning travels all

00:25:02.990 --> 00:25:03.490
around the world.

00:25:03.510 --> 00:25:04.611
So we kind of use that as a

00:25:04.671 --> 00:25:06.172
narrative device to introduce you to

00:25:06.231 --> 00:25:08.113
what's going on at this siege.

00:25:08.673 --> 00:25:09.513
So really,

00:25:09.534 --> 00:25:11.054
then the next part of the main story

00:25:11.153 --> 00:25:11.355
is,

00:25:11.454 --> 00:25:12.914
is we kind of go to the cliffhanger,

00:25:13.494 --> 00:25:13.836
is that.

00:25:14.875 --> 00:25:16.858
uh zemba who is who's a villain that

00:25:16.898 --> 00:25:18.200
we haven't really seen a whole lot of

00:25:18.800 --> 00:25:21.202
um you'll kind of see her wandering to

00:25:21.443 --> 00:25:25.949
a a small uh structure where inside is

00:25:26.028 --> 00:25:28.892
now uh more danix who we got to

00:25:28.932 --> 00:25:31.154
learn his back issue in issue four and

00:25:31.174 --> 00:25:32.777
how much he hates psycorn

00:25:33.257 --> 00:25:36.898
and psycorn is a coward little cowardly

00:25:36.959 --> 00:25:39.420
little and that was actually my very next

00:25:39.460 --> 00:25:41.821
question for you is zimba heading into

00:25:41.862 --> 00:25:44.282
mordant's pain palace and then the

00:25:44.323 --> 00:25:46.703
relationship between zimba sycorn and

00:25:46.743 --> 00:25:48.924
mordant it's like how much that was

00:25:49.025 --> 00:25:53.548
organic you know it's it's funny um we

00:25:53.688 --> 00:25:56.048
it was never initially planned that way

00:25:56.128 --> 00:25:57.789
but through kind of talking about where we

00:25:57.829 --> 00:25:59.411
wanted to see issue five and

00:26:00.458 --> 00:26:01.519
We knew we kind of wanted to put

00:26:01.538 --> 00:26:02.220
it all together.

00:26:03.099 --> 00:26:04.981
Psycorn was always our Starscream.

00:26:05.582 --> 00:26:07.304
We're all big fans of that original

00:26:07.344 --> 00:26:08.464
character.

00:26:08.484 --> 00:26:08.805
Oh, yeah.

00:26:08.825 --> 00:26:12.367
The whiny sniveling cabbage shit.

00:26:12.969 --> 00:26:16.351
And he's been a sniveling failure shit all

00:26:16.371 --> 00:26:17.271
through the series.

00:26:17.392 --> 00:26:18.553
And then he gets in trouble where

00:26:18.593 --> 00:26:19.894
basically Umix is like,

00:26:19.913 --> 00:26:20.875
take him and torture him.

00:26:21.336 --> 00:26:22.896
And then you realize that in the past,

00:26:22.936 --> 00:26:25.838
he's the one that he created Mordanix by,

00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:26.960
you know, just, you know,

00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:28.862
forcing him into this horrible situation.

00:26:29.241 --> 00:26:31.344
Half-Life is this cannibal cyborg.

00:26:31.384 --> 00:26:34.645
Him seeking revenge instead of backing him

00:26:34.726 --> 00:26:35.906
up like he was supposed to is why

00:26:35.926 --> 00:26:36.666
it got more dented.

00:26:36.686 --> 00:26:37.407
It's looking like...

00:26:40.029 --> 00:26:42.891
a vial of, you know, acid.

00:26:43.171 --> 00:26:44.471
So again, we get,

00:26:44.511 --> 00:26:45.672
we get to explore these characters.

00:26:45.692 --> 00:26:46.811
When you first meet him in issue one,

00:26:46.832 --> 00:26:48.053
there's a lot of pinups and here's these

00:26:48.073 --> 00:26:49.292
characters are, but there's,

00:26:49.313 --> 00:26:50.432
but there's no dynamic,

00:26:50.452 --> 00:26:51.313
but now you realize, okay,

00:26:51.353 --> 00:26:52.854
these two guys hate each other.

00:26:52.913 --> 00:26:54.693
They have been messing with each other for

00:26:54.773 --> 00:26:55.194
years,

00:26:55.535 --> 00:26:57.414
but now the one who's been victimized has

00:26:57.454 --> 00:26:58.434
been given the power.

00:26:58.955 --> 00:27:01.496
But now Zemba shows up and basically she's

00:27:01.536 --> 00:27:03.136
kind of like a resident torturer.

00:27:03.896 --> 00:27:06.097
and then you realize she shows up and

00:27:06.137 --> 00:27:08.298
starts behaving very strangely and then

00:27:08.337 --> 00:27:11.459
you realize that wait who shot like whose

00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.980
side is she even on right um and

00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.020
then obviously we have i like that twist

00:27:17.280 --> 00:27:19.101
that was a really good twist in there

00:27:19.280 --> 00:27:23.061
right where now then she she murders uh

00:27:23.102 --> 00:27:25.442
you know she murders more danix to save

00:27:25.482 --> 00:27:27.223
psycorn and then we we cut to the

00:27:27.344 --> 00:27:27.923
end right

00:27:29.525 --> 00:27:30.726
And then, of course,

00:27:30.746 --> 00:27:32.146
then the question of the reader is, well,

00:27:32.186 --> 00:27:32.548
hold on.

00:27:32.567 --> 00:27:32.708
Like,

00:27:32.728 --> 00:27:34.169
if she's one of the soldiers for the

00:27:34.209 --> 00:27:34.809
disciples,

00:27:34.849 --> 00:27:38.133
then why would she why is she betraying

00:27:38.153 --> 00:27:38.512
these people?

00:27:38.653 --> 00:27:38.952
Right.

00:27:39.594 --> 00:27:40.575
So we knew that we were going to

00:27:40.595 --> 00:27:44.298
have a character betray the bad guys in

00:27:44.317 --> 00:27:44.858
this issue.

00:27:44.959 --> 00:27:46.440
And we we talked about which one could

00:27:46.460 --> 00:27:46.660
it be.

00:27:47.740 --> 00:27:50.923
And we had an idea for Zimba early

00:27:51.023 --> 00:27:52.125
on where we just said it'd be really

00:27:52.164 --> 00:27:54.886
cool to just tell a story about what

00:27:54.946 --> 00:27:56.288
her nine to five is like.

00:27:56.307 --> 00:27:57.169
Like, what is this?

00:27:57.388 --> 00:27:57.808
Yeah.

00:27:58.170 --> 00:28:00.090
Like this, you know, torture queen.

00:28:00.892 --> 00:28:02.133
What is her data?

00:28:02.192 --> 00:28:03.013
We thought it'd be funny.

00:28:03.273 --> 00:28:04.615
You know what I thought?

00:28:06.615 --> 00:28:07.037
Yeah.

00:28:07.057 --> 00:28:07.757
I thought so.

00:28:08.018 --> 00:28:08.518
Zimba.

00:28:09.479 --> 00:28:11.119
And what was the other girl who was

00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:12.922
with Mordantix?

00:28:14.722 --> 00:28:15.483
Well, there's Obsidia.

00:28:16.431 --> 00:28:17.050
No, Obsidian,

00:28:17.371 --> 00:28:19.231
the girl that was together with him.

00:28:19.613 --> 00:28:23.153
Oh, that was Lady Vi, and she dies.

00:28:24.234 --> 00:28:25.855
Lady Vi and Zimba,

00:28:25.875 --> 00:28:28.156
you know they have the lunch together or

00:28:28.196 --> 00:28:29.258
whatever.

00:28:29.337 --> 00:28:31.219
So I thought those two were some type

00:28:31.278 --> 00:28:34.400
how intertwined and interrelated friends

00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:36.141
or lovers from the past.

00:28:36.861 --> 00:28:38.922
And then when Dantis kills her,

00:28:39.823 --> 00:28:41.923
I thought when that scene was happening,

00:28:41.943 --> 00:28:43.765
I'm like, oh, she's circling back.

00:28:44.587 --> 00:28:45.348
Well, there's that too.

00:28:47.893 --> 00:28:49.595
She doesn't like him because of that,

00:28:49.915 --> 00:28:55.242
but she's got bigger plans and Vi getting

00:28:55.282 --> 00:28:55.884
killed because, yeah,

00:28:56.003 --> 00:28:57.747
there's the implication that they're like,

00:28:59.175 --> 00:29:01.096
in some kind of pseudo religious

00:29:01.176 --> 00:29:03.137
relationship are there more of them or

00:29:03.157 --> 00:29:05.660
they're like yeah other right so the

00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:07.441
implication is they're like they're like

00:29:07.621 --> 00:29:11.583
priestesses in this right so now we we've

00:29:11.702 --> 00:29:13.084
you know in a day of the life

00:29:13.324 --> 00:29:15.526
right they have their their lunch in a

00:29:15.586 --> 00:29:17.165
person's like they use the guy's body

00:29:17.185 --> 00:29:18.346
they're growing mushrooms out of like

00:29:18.586 --> 00:29:21.489
having lunch and basically you know going

00:29:21.548 --> 00:29:23.529
back to to be like wait what is

00:29:23.569 --> 00:29:25.191
the connection between these this this

00:29:25.230 --> 00:29:25.750
woman that we met

00:29:28.247 --> 00:29:28.926
That was my vibe,

00:29:28.946 --> 00:29:29.768
and I really liked it.

00:29:29.827 --> 00:29:30.228
And by the way,

00:29:30.248 --> 00:29:32.029
the show I was thinking of on Prime

00:29:32.470 --> 00:29:33.991
is The Legend of Bots Machina.

00:29:34.011 --> 00:29:34.132
Okay.

00:29:36.586 --> 00:29:37.146
Yeah.

00:29:37.207 --> 00:29:38.048
Okay.

00:29:38.107 --> 00:29:39.688
So anyway,

00:29:39.907 --> 00:29:41.509
so then the origin story of the Zimba,

00:29:41.628 --> 00:29:43.088
we had always had that in the back

00:29:43.128 --> 00:29:44.130
of our heads that we thought it'd be

00:29:44.150 --> 00:29:44.809
cool, right?

00:29:44.849 --> 00:29:45.289
Just to just,

00:29:45.309 --> 00:29:46.990
what does she do on a day-to-day click?

00:29:47.030 --> 00:29:48.891
What, what is, what does she do?

00:29:49.511 --> 00:29:49.692
Right.

00:29:49.711 --> 00:29:51.172
So we had a lot of these ideas

00:29:51.211 --> 00:29:52.772
that she would have a torture garden,

00:29:52.792 --> 00:29:54.432
that she would have gladiatorial games.

00:29:55.213 --> 00:29:57.114
What we really wanted to take that story

00:29:57.134 --> 00:30:00.055
then is to show why she decides to

00:30:00.115 --> 00:30:01.615
turn on the disciples.

00:30:02.056 --> 00:30:02.435
Now, look,

00:30:02.476 --> 00:30:03.537
part of it's because they killed her

00:30:03.576 --> 00:30:03.856
friend.

00:30:04.633 --> 00:30:06.554
But there's more going on that she's

00:30:06.614 --> 00:30:08.295
basically saying,

00:30:08.734 --> 00:30:11.455
I am going to try to go,

00:30:11.615 --> 00:30:12.797
I'm going to end around the boss.

00:30:13.376 --> 00:30:15.718
I'm going to get Psycorn out of here.

00:30:16.198 --> 00:30:18.338
He's got some powerful weaponry built into

00:30:18.358 --> 00:30:18.599
him.

00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:21.901
What if she takes Psycorn and she can

00:30:21.941 --> 00:30:23.142
make an end around to try to kill

00:30:23.162 --> 00:30:23.642
the boss?

00:30:24.664 --> 00:30:25.525
Yeah.

00:30:25.585 --> 00:30:25.845
Right.

00:30:25.884 --> 00:30:28.326
But you see that anger because she has

00:30:28.365 --> 00:30:29.086
her slave, right?

00:30:29.145 --> 00:30:29.605
Gimp guy.

00:30:29.625 --> 00:30:29.705
Yeah.

00:30:31.467 --> 00:30:32.846
He's basically the Greek chorus.

00:30:32.886 --> 00:30:33.727
He's asking all these.

00:30:33.807 --> 00:30:35.367
He's saying the things you would say as

00:30:35.387 --> 00:30:36.028
a reader, like, well,

00:30:36.048 --> 00:30:38.188
that painting is as nice as Umek's.

00:30:38.268 --> 00:30:39.749
And she's like tearing it off a wall.

00:30:39.788 --> 00:30:40.648
And, you know,

00:30:40.669 --> 00:30:42.669
she's being constantly humiliated.

00:30:43.269 --> 00:30:45.549
And she's trying to justify it to Lady

00:30:45.589 --> 00:30:45.910
Vi.

00:30:45.930 --> 00:30:47.010
She's like, well, no, no, it's good.

00:30:47.030 --> 00:30:47.351
It's good.

00:30:47.371 --> 00:30:47.770
It's good.

00:30:47.971 --> 00:30:48.211
And then...

00:30:49.030 --> 00:30:49.811
People keep saying,

00:30:49.832 --> 00:30:51.253
you used to be kind of a badass,

00:30:51.273 --> 00:30:52.595
and now you kind of seem like a

00:30:53.215 --> 00:30:53.997
servant, right?

00:30:54.017 --> 00:30:55.018
Is that really who you are?

00:30:55.038 --> 00:30:56.338
And, like, she doesn't like it.

00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:57.861
And then the end of it is when

00:30:57.901 --> 00:30:59.903
she tears Umek's portrait out of her

00:31:00.023 --> 00:31:01.846
mouth, basically, and she says,

00:31:01.885 --> 00:31:02.465
Hail Zemba.

00:31:02.486 --> 00:31:02.926
And, you know,

00:31:02.987 --> 00:31:04.388
all the characters are like, Hail Umek,

00:31:04.409 --> 00:31:05.289
Hail Umek, right?

00:31:05.769 --> 00:31:06.790
Yeah, that's like, yeah.

00:31:06.891 --> 00:31:07.152
Yeah.

00:31:09.145 --> 00:31:10.426
So we've kind of baked in there like,

00:31:10.487 --> 00:31:11.768
okay, from the reader,

00:31:12.248 --> 00:31:15.048
we've had a bad guy now turn on

00:31:15.068 --> 00:31:15.829
the other bad guys.

00:31:15.849 --> 00:31:16.950
Well, the first question is, well,

00:31:16.970 --> 00:31:17.990
why the hell did they do that?

00:31:18.391 --> 00:31:19.811
So we really thought a day in the

00:31:19.872 --> 00:31:21.932
life was a really fun way to tell

00:31:21.992 --> 00:31:22.292
that.

00:31:22.712 --> 00:31:24.453
And then it also kind of leads into

00:31:24.493 --> 00:31:24.673
like,

00:31:24.713 --> 00:31:27.596
that's the planning session where they're

00:31:27.615 --> 00:31:29.016
discussing the battle that went down in

00:31:29.036 --> 00:31:29.757
the prior issue.

00:31:30.257 --> 00:31:31.357
yeah right so a little bit of a

00:31:31.377 --> 00:31:32.659
thousand and one arabian nights where

00:31:32.679 --> 00:31:34.181
there's a story inside a story inside a

00:31:34.201 --> 00:31:35.602
story you're like oh my god that that

00:31:35.622 --> 00:31:37.584
was really cool and once i realized what

00:31:37.604 --> 00:31:39.746
was happening with that because i'm like

00:31:39.786 --> 00:31:41.067
everybody else i probably got a little

00:31:41.106 --> 00:31:43.449
confused at that point like wait in that

00:31:43.489 --> 00:31:45.211
winning shoe i saw her die but here

00:31:45.230 --> 00:31:47.792
she is right now i'm like then you're

00:31:47.833 --> 00:31:50.476
like oh this is what happened to this

00:31:50.516 --> 00:31:52.978
before this and you're like oh it all

00:31:52.998 --> 00:31:53.638
makes sense

00:31:54.431 --> 00:31:55.092
Yeah.

00:31:55.132 --> 00:31:56.692
I like that kind of stuff when it

00:31:56.913 --> 00:31:59.816
is done properly and y'all did it up

00:31:59.855 --> 00:32:00.435
proper.

00:32:00.596 --> 00:32:02.738
Like it made a hundred percent sense once

00:32:02.778 --> 00:32:03.798
you circled back.

00:32:04.579 --> 00:32:04.759
Yep.

00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:05.941
And I was like, oh, well,

00:32:05.961 --> 00:32:07.221
like this makes plenty of sense.

00:32:07.261 --> 00:32:08.943
You literally, you told us a story,

00:32:09.683 --> 00:32:11.965
then gave us the events leading up to

00:32:12.066 --> 00:32:13.428
this story over here,

00:32:13.788 --> 00:32:15.710
just to circle us back to over here

00:32:15.750 --> 00:32:17.590
to a present time in the story.

00:32:18.251 --> 00:32:20.253
I'm like, yeah, like that's amazing.

00:32:20.972 --> 00:32:22.173
And I think we have a note that's

00:32:22.212 --> 00:32:23.634
dropped in at the beginning on the first

00:32:23.673 --> 00:32:25.294
page that says this story takes place

00:32:25.334 --> 00:32:27.153
before the hunger and the prior issue.

00:32:27.193 --> 00:32:27.815
So we do.

00:32:27.855 --> 00:32:28.434
You did.

00:32:28.634 --> 00:32:29.214
There was a note.

00:32:31.174 --> 00:32:32.496
But if you've ever read A Thousand and

00:32:32.516 --> 00:32:33.175
One Rabian Nights,

00:32:33.195 --> 00:32:34.195
they do a lot of that where you

00:32:34.256 --> 00:32:35.596
meet a guy and then there's kind of

00:32:35.615 --> 00:32:36.957
like the further you go in the book,

00:32:36.977 --> 00:32:38.777
he's going backwards to explain things.

00:32:39.817 --> 00:32:42.458
And then we have a third story in

00:32:42.538 --> 00:32:43.857
issue five.

00:32:44.298 --> 00:32:44.719
Pulse.

00:32:45.479 --> 00:32:45.759
Pulse.

00:32:45.818 --> 00:32:47.239
It's going to be a multi-part story.

00:32:47.398 --> 00:32:48.980
And we have the second part already drawn.

00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.059
We have to just get it lettered now.

00:32:50.794 --> 00:32:52.476
where one of the things that we had

00:32:52.496 --> 00:32:54.718
talked about internally was we wanted to

00:32:54.758 --> 00:32:58.362
have a Lords of the Cosmos story that

00:32:59.002 --> 00:33:03.268
was very much like an eighties action

00:33:03.307 --> 00:33:04.910
film, like a Rambo.

00:33:04.930 --> 00:33:07.051
It literally says aliens meets Ninja

00:33:07.092 --> 00:33:07.432
Turtles.

00:33:08.088 --> 00:33:09.029
Yeah,

00:33:09.049 --> 00:33:11.932
so we really wanted to have that Rambo

00:33:12.412 --> 00:33:15.354
predator where it just kind of comes

00:33:15.374 --> 00:33:16.835
across as this is going to be kind

00:33:16.855 --> 00:33:19.155
of like an eighties military movie,

00:33:19.596 --> 00:33:21.637
but it's going to have Cosmo's character.

00:33:21.678 --> 00:33:23.618
So again, there's a lizard who's a cowboy,

00:33:23.659 --> 00:33:24.000
right?

00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:25.540
He was one of our favorite characters.

00:33:25.800 --> 00:33:26.181
So cool.

00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:27.582
There's a rhinoceros, right?

00:33:27.602 --> 00:33:29.303
And then like Wasp with a shotgun that

00:33:29.343 --> 00:33:30.824
we really learned about in issue three.

00:33:30.844 --> 00:33:31.664
He's like the main guy.

00:33:31.684 --> 00:33:33.846
So there's a smattering of the characters

00:33:33.865 --> 00:33:34.586
that we know.

00:33:34.866 --> 00:33:36.167
So we know they're not going to die,

00:33:36.188 --> 00:33:36.327
right?

00:33:36.647 --> 00:33:36.907
Yeah, yeah.

00:33:38.288 --> 00:33:39.470
It's the cat, right?

00:33:40.349 --> 00:33:42.191
And then you've got two cats named,

00:33:43.010 --> 00:33:44.451
what was it, Booger and something?

00:33:44.471 --> 00:33:45.231
Booger and Frodo,

00:33:45.271 --> 00:33:47.053
that was one of our characters, right?

00:33:47.093 --> 00:33:48.534
So they have two house cats with them.

00:33:48.933 --> 00:33:49.473
So there's, you know,

00:33:49.714 --> 00:33:51.535
they have a character that's a total nod

00:33:51.575 --> 00:33:51.674
to,

00:33:51.775 --> 00:33:53.215
it's basically the Tin Man from the Wizard

00:33:53.236 --> 00:33:53.476
of Oz.

00:33:53.496 --> 00:33:53.997
It's a robot.

00:33:54.096 --> 00:33:54.356
Yeah.

00:33:55.843 --> 00:33:57.804
So you've got this kind of weird crew

00:33:57.824 --> 00:34:00.084
of people, but we play it straight.

00:34:01.404 --> 00:34:03.384
I think it's cool that you took

00:34:03.444 --> 00:34:04.144
Kickstarter.

00:34:04.605 --> 00:34:06.046
That was an option on part of your

00:34:06.086 --> 00:34:08.505
Kickstarter was to have a character

00:34:08.525 --> 00:34:10.967
created and put into the story.

00:34:11.947 --> 00:34:14.327
I see a lot of people advertising that.

00:34:15.208 --> 00:34:15.608
Like, oh,

00:34:15.628 --> 00:34:17.048
you could be a character in the story.

00:34:17.068 --> 00:34:19.849
But you took it to another level with

00:34:19.929 --> 00:34:20.068
it.

00:34:20.088 --> 00:34:22.329
And I thought that was really cool.

00:34:23.192 --> 00:34:25.393
got dropped in and the thing with pulses

00:34:25.793 --> 00:34:27.675
on the one hand there's there's a level

00:34:27.715 --> 00:34:29.516
of absurdity where they have like the tin

00:34:29.556 --> 00:34:30.876
pan from the wizard of oz there's like

00:34:30.916 --> 00:34:33.998
a pixie a you know cowboy there's a

00:34:34.418 --> 00:34:37.681
robot samurai but but again we play it

00:34:37.721 --> 00:34:39.681
straight where it's like okay so these

00:34:39.722 --> 00:34:42.222
characters are just as absurd as it is

00:34:42.943 --> 00:34:45.144
they're a military strike force they're

00:34:45.164 --> 00:34:46.326
going behind enemy lines

00:34:46.945 --> 00:34:47.706
I thought it was cool.

00:34:47.887 --> 00:34:51.110
That was one of those cool things,

00:34:51.190 --> 00:34:54.954
like the Stallone movies with all the old

00:34:55.034 --> 00:34:55.855
action stars.

00:34:55.875 --> 00:34:56.235
I was like,

00:34:56.456 --> 00:34:57.396
this kind of feels like that,

00:34:57.416 --> 00:34:59.278
and they're about to drop in with their

00:34:59.298 --> 00:35:00.840
little spaceship or whatever.

00:35:01.481 --> 00:35:02.661
I was like, this is freaking cool.

00:35:03.382 --> 00:35:03.583
Yeah,

00:35:03.623 --> 00:35:05.244
and I really love the action scene where

00:35:05.264 --> 00:35:06.545
they steal the truck, right,

00:35:06.565 --> 00:35:07.766
where they're running around the trucks,

00:35:07.786 --> 00:35:10.889
and they blow up the little outpost,

00:35:10.909 --> 00:35:12.769
and then they steal basically what's what.

00:35:12.789 --> 00:35:13.610
I don't know if you've ever been near

00:35:13.630 --> 00:35:17.152
a quarry, but there's one near my house,

00:35:17.353 --> 00:35:19.855
and there's a special intersection for

00:35:19.875 --> 00:35:21.096
those gigantic trucks,

00:35:21.697 --> 00:35:23.918
and those trucks freak me out because

00:35:23.938 --> 00:35:24.838
they're so big.

00:35:24.938 --> 00:35:26.900
The drive is like four feet up in

00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:27.340
the air.

00:35:27.641 --> 00:35:29.202
The wheels are like ten feet high.

00:35:30.163 --> 00:35:31.103
So the characters steal it.

00:35:31.123 --> 00:35:33.784
And there's a panel that Sasha drew in

00:35:33.804 --> 00:35:34.083
that.

00:35:34.503 --> 00:35:36.485
It's so funny because the rhinoceros is

00:35:36.525 --> 00:35:39.365
driving the truck.

00:35:39.405 --> 00:35:40.565
He's behind the wheel.

00:35:40.585 --> 00:35:42.226
And I'm just, when they, he drew that.

00:35:42.967 --> 00:35:44.728
He did the initial burst through too.

00:35:45.128 --> 00:35:46.148
If I'm not mistaken,

00:35:46.168 --> 00:35:47.208
like when he went through the one

00:35:47.228 --> 00:35:47.668
barricade,

00:35:47.688 --> 00:35:49.668
he rams through the barricade and then

00:35:49.728 --> 00:35:49.989
it's like,

00:35:50.028 --> 00:35:52.070
it cuts over into the next panel or

00:35:52.090 --> 00:35:52.349
two.

00:35:52.590 --> 00:35:53.670
And all of a sudden he's behind the

00:35:53.690 --> 00:35:54.311
wheel of the truck.

00:35:54.331 --> 00:35:54.791
Yeah.

00:35:56.376 --> 00:35:58.018
Wait, he's a straight-up rhino.

00:35:58.057 --> 00:35:59.159
He doesn't have hands.

00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:00.940
But he's driving him strong.

00:36:01.481 --> 00:36:02.222
He's got his little...

00:36:02.242 --> 00:36:04.324
He's got his paws up there, just...

00:36:05.403 --> 00:36:06.585
Yeah, and to me,

00:36:06.704 --> 00:36:08.525
those are the kind of things that, again,

00:36:08.844 --> 00:36:10.226
there's a million reasons you'd say it

00:36:10.266 --> 00:36:11.045
doesn't make sense.

00:36:11.065 --> 00:36:11.666
But to me,

00:36:11.947 --> 00:36:13.206
those are the kinds of things that I

00:36:13.226 --> 00:36:13.867
loved as a kid.

00:36:13.887 --> 00:36:14.927
So I kind of want to have those

00:36:15.327 --> 00:36:17.489
kind of levels of absurdity where it's

00:36:17.509 --> 00:36:17.648
like,

00:36:17.668 --> 00:36:20.130
so now there's a rhinoceros driving a

00:36:20.170 --> 00:36:22.010
gigantic quarry truck.

00:36:22.530 --> 00:36:25.052
But it makes sense within this story in

00:36:25.132 --> 00:36:26.813
Lords of the Cosmos where it's like

00:36:26.893 --> 00:36:29.253
everything just – anything that would

00:36:29.313 --> 00:36:32.055
traditionally be in your mind just –

00:36:32.653 --> 00:36:35.375
bust that shit out and just go with

00:36:35.394 --> 00:36:37.076
the most absurd over the top thing

00:36:37.115 --> 00:36:37.576
possible.

00:36:37.615 --> 00:36:39.436
And it works perfectly within this world.

00:36:39.496 --> 00:36:40.476
And I love it.

00:36:41.097 --> 00:36:43.237
It's a phenomenal thing that you've done

00:36:43.257 --> 00:36:43.617
with it.

00:36:44.378 --> 00:36:46.498
And I think to me, it's about consistency.

00:36:46.539 --> 00:36:47.418
So like, for example,

00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:49.400
if you had done a comic about like

00:36:49.460 --> 00:36:52.061
a modern day espionage story,

00:36:53.195 --> 00:36:54.916
and if you had readers that were like,

00:36:54.976 --> 00:36:57.097
Hey man, you drew that handgun,

00:36:57.117 --> 00:36:58.737
that's an Israeli handgun.

00:36:58.777 --> 00:37:00.057
And these guys wouldn't have that,

00:37:00.197 --> 00:37:00.559
whatever.

00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:00.818
Right.

00:37:01.179 --> 00:37:03.420
We can get really deep into like the,

00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:04.099
you know,

00:37:04.139 --> 00:37:05.740
that kind of car doesn't do that.

00:37:06.882 --> 00:37:08.603
And I'm one of those guys, right?

00:37:08.702 --> 00:37:10.664
Like I, I remember, um,

00:37:10.744 --> 00:37:13.585
I drew a Cthulhu poster, um,

00:37:13.684 --> 00:37:14.686
as a spec project.

00:37:14.746 --> 00:37:16.626
And then my friend Dave used it as

00:37:16.646 --> 00:37:20.027
a poster for his Lovecraft PI project.

00:37:21.248 --> 00:37:21.628
And, um,

00:37:22.713 --> 00:37:24.434
I remember I put in a World War

00:37:24.494 --> 00:37:25.835
II military group,

00:37:26.396 --> 00:37:28.177
and there was a gentleman that said if

00:37:28.418 --> 00:37:30.860
that U-boat is supposed to be in the

00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:31.820
Pacific Ocean,

00:37:32.621 --> 00:37:36.824
it was like you've drawn a North Atlantic

00:37:36.885 --> 00:37:39.327
Wolfpack submarine that wouldn't have had

00:37:39.367 --> 00:37:40.288
the ability to travel.

00:37:41.157 --> 00:37:42.518
Travel at this submarine,

00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:44.360
which was bigger and had like additional

00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:44.960
batteries.

00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.320
And I redrew it because I was like,

00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:47.360
it doesn't make any sense.

00:37:48.621 --> 00:37:52.804
So so I'm in that camp of being

00:37:52.844 --> 00:37:54.865
like super anal about things like that.

00:37:54.945 --> 00:37:55.226
Yeah.

00:37:55.266 --> 00:37:56.425
Most people would say, well,

00:37:56.445 --> 00:37:57.126
it doesn't matter.

00:37:57.166 --> 00:37:58.327
I'm like, well, it does matter.

00:37:58.427 --> 00:38:00.329
But the beauty of Lords of the Cosmos

00:38:01.188 --> 00:38:02.510
is because it's so far out.

00:38:03.987 --> 00:38:04.809
There is no, well,

00:38:04.829 --> 00:38:06.989
that's not really the accurate shotgun for

00:38:07.050 --> 00:38:08.811
a bug to have or, you know, hey,

00:38:09.032 --> 00:38:10.733
robots that look like the Wizard of Oz

00:38:10.753 --> 00:38:11.813
shouldn't have this kind of axe.

00:38:11.833 --> 00:38:12.554
It doesn't matter.

00:38:12.594 --> 00:38:14.416
Exactly.

00:38:14.496 --> 00:38:16.498
It's very freeing because there is no

00:38:17.197 --> 00:38:17.938
wrong answer.

00:38:17.958 --> 00:38:18.760
We could have cyborgs.

00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:21.862
Sarge is literally a bug with a shotgun.

00:38:22.181 --> 00:38:23.724
He's a wasp with a shotgun.

00:38:24.344 --> 00:38:25.224
Yeah.

00:38:25.244 --> 00:38:26.146
How cool is that?

00:38:26.929 --> 00:38:27.369
He's great.

00:38:27.429 --> 00:38:29.751
And we loved his intro story in issue

00:38:30.293 --> 00:38:33.275
three where their whole society is trying

00:38:33.295 --> 00:38:36.719
to fight with like spears in their hands.

00:38:37.380 --> 00:38:39.902
And Umex has kind of a third party

00:38:39.943 --> 00:38:41.945
kind of terrorist group attacking their

00:38:42.065 --> 00:38:43.706
bug city that's on top of a giant

00:38:43.766 --> 00:38:44.007
bug.

00:38:44.507 --> 00:38:47.349
And they're using mortars, guns, gas,

00:38:47.409 --> 00:38:48.951
and they're getting their asses beat until

00:38:49.030 --> 00:38:51.032
Starge gets a gun.

00:38:52.333 --> 00:38:54.514
And all the humans are like, wait,

00:38:54.673 --> 00:38:56.255
these guys can't use guns.

00:38:56.295 --> 00:39:00.836
And he's like, yeah, I got it now.

00:39:01.036 --> 00:39:02.677
So, I mean, to me, you know,

00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:05.739
Pulse is fun because it's, again,

00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:06.960
it goes back in time.

00:39:08.335 --> 00:39:09.215
Because we're seeing layers.

00:39:09.235 --> 00:39:09.996
Like in issue two,

00:39:10.036 --> 00:39:11.237
we have Obsidia's origin.

00:39:11.277 --> 00:39:12.856
You see there was kind of a She-Ra

00:39:13.257 --> 00:39:14.597
and the Princess of Power group that

00:39:14.697 --> 00:39:16.878
Umek's rolled over, right?

00:39:17.059 --> 00:39:17.958
Decades ago.

00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:19.900
In the Lords of the Cosmos,

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:21.699
you see the original two guys,

00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:22.380
the brothers,

00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.141
like the one that died with the statue,

00:39:24.181 --> 00:39:24.981
like they're there.

00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:26.882
And then they...

00:39:28.498 --> 00:39:31.860
they find the last living female soldier

00:39:31.900 --> 00:39:36.302
from the prism, right?

00:39:36.342 --> 00:39:36.862
Yeah, the prism, yeah.

00:39:37.744 --> 00:39:38.384
And then you're like, wait,

00:39:38.423 --> 00:39:40.784
this is the origin of this military group

00:39:40.824 --> 00:39:42.326
coming together when it's just two guys

00:39:42.365 --> 00:39:44.266
walking through the desert and they find

00:39:44.286 --> 00:39:47.068
this one woman that like escaped, right?

00:39:47.369 --> 00:39:50.070
So like we went back to that,

00:39:50.911 --> 00:39:53.552
but so then what you saw in Pulse

00:39:53.612 --> 00:39:54.552
is like after that.

00:39:54.612 --> 00:39:55.313
So it's like, okay,

00:39:55.333 --> 00:39:56.673
so those three meet up and they build

00:39:56.693 --> 00:39:57.353
an army, right?

00:39:58.507 --> 00:39:59.969
it is cool the way you do call

00:39:59.989 --> 00:40:02.871
bats like that like you could do call

00:40:02.911 --> 00:40:06.273
bat like i've seen like call bats done

00:40:06.293 --> 00:40:09.195
in comic books to like earlier stuff but

00:40:09.355 --> 00:40:11.916
the way y'all did it was like it

00:40:11.956 --> 00:40:14.639
was very refined approach to it like it

00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:17.061
made sense in how you do call bats

00:40:17.581 --> 00:40:19.063
you weren't just calling that to something

00:40:19.143 --> 00:40:20.603
insignificant that like

00:40:21.349 --> 00:40:22.949
nobody's going to notice that but that

00:40:22.989 --> 00:40:25.391
callback was really cool when because i

00:40:25.411 --> 00:40:26.871
didn't realize it at first either when it

00:40:26.891 --> 00:40:30.253
was the two brothers who found her and

00:40:30.273 --> 00:40:32.054
then i was like after the fact when

00:40:32.094 --> 00:40:33.635
i see the statue of him and then

00:40:33.675 --> 00:40:37.617
i'm like oh i get it now it's

00:40:37.637 --> 00:40:40.539
those it's the brothers and i'm like oh

00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:43.541
well it's always fun when that kind of

00:40:43.561 --> 00:40:45.382
stuff happens in these types of books

00:40:45.902 --> 00:40:47.545
So some of the questions that need to

00:40:47.565 --> 00:40:49.351
be answered is, okay, well,

00:40:49.451 --> 00:40:50.172
where did those guys...

00:40:50.413 --> 00:40:51.916
So we know where Prism came from, right?

00:40:51.936 --> 00:40:54.382
So it's the two brothers, Aegis...

00:40:55.711 --> 00:40:58.052
Myrmidon and Prism.

00:40:58.413 --> 00:41:00.333
We see that they're like the main three.

00:41:00.753 --> 00:41:02.434
So we really understand where, okay,

00:41:02.454 --> 00:41:03.773
so Prism was in this group that's kind

00:41:03.793 --> 00:41:04.813
of like She-Ra, you know,

00:41:04.833 --> 00:41:06.775
where every girl's a color rainbow, right?

00:41:07.135 --> 00:41:07.695
Which, of course,

00:41:07.715 --> 00:41:09.275
in a black and white book's great, right?

00:41:09.335 --> 00:41:10.016
Oh my God, right?

00:41:10.036 --> 00:41:11.315
Dude, it's amazing.

00:41:11.675 --> 00:41:11.976
Right?

00:41:11.996 --> 00:41:13.617
So we haven't mentioned that yet.

00:41:14.097 --> 00:41:14.257
Yeah.

00:41:14.416 --> 00:41:16.157
And we're about to get into the art

00:41:16.277 --> 00:41:17.157
of this book.

00:41:17.657 --> 00:41:17.818
Yeah.

00:41:18.018 --> 00:41:20.297
So this thing is very heavily line

00:41:20.518 --> 00:41:21.018
detailed.

00:41:21.038 --> 00:41:23.059
You do a phenomenal job at it.

00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:23.239
Mm-hmm.

00:41:23.847 --> 00:41:27.291
But it's all in black and white and

00:41:27.331 --> 00:41:28.253
gray scales.

00:41:28.373 --> 00:41:32.217
And I love old G like books like

00:41:32.257 --> 00:41:32.617
this,

00:41:33.458 --> 00:41:36.842
like Mike's Grace in the UK who does

00:41:36.943 --> 00:41:38.403
zip the comic book.

00:41:38.945 --> 00:41:40.327
He does his work this way.

00:41:40.606 --> 00:41:42.108
Granted, he doesn't do the art of it.

00:41:43.219 --> 00:41:45.460
But he is his book.

00:41:45.681 --> 00:41:47.780
He is done in black and grayscale,

00:41:48.101 --> 00:41:49.581
like amazing line work.

00:41:50.382 --> 00:41:51.722
And that's what I love about it,

00:41:51.983 --> 00:41:53.842
because you don't get to cover up any

00:41:53.882 --> 00:41:56.083
bad lines because there's no coloring,

00:41:56.103 --> 00:41:57.284
no ink, no nothing.

00:41:57.824 --> 00:42:00.224
Just phenomenal line work in these types

00:42:00.264 --> 00:42:02.565
of books.

00:42:02.606 --> 00:42:04.005
So I'm a big fan of black and

00:42:04.025 --> 00:42:04.545
white artwork.

00:42:04.626 --> 00:42:05.606
I always have been.

00:42:07.778 --> 00:42:09.219
whether it was, I used to,

00:42:09.420 --> 00:42:09.860
I still do.

00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:11.601
I love doing the fighting fantasy game

00:42:11.621 --> 00:42:11.800
books,

00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:13.141
where you roll dice and read a book.

00:42:13.181 --> 00:42:14.601
A lot of those came from the UK.

00:42:15.601 --> 00:42:17.842
You know, Steven Jackson and Ian,

00:42:18.643 --> 00:42:19.563
I can't think of his name,

00:42:19.603 --> 00:42:20.784
Warlock of Firetop Mountain.

00:42:22.244 --> 00:42:23.945
They had some really awesome artists that

00:42:23.985 --> 00:42:25.085
did a lot of black and white for

00:42:25.126 --> 00:42:25.567
those books.

00:42:25.606 --> 00:42:26.427
And I loved them as a kid.

00:42:26.447 --> 00:42:27.807
So I've always been a fan of black

00:42:27.827 --> 00:42:28.407
and white art.

00:42:29.748 --> 00:42:31.188
Part of it was a cost consideration.

00:42:31.268 --> 00:42:33.351
Coloring escalates prices a lot.

00:42:33.371 --> 00:42:34.811
So black and white books are cheaper.

00:42:35.132 --> 00:42:36.472
You don't have to hire a colorist and

00:42:36.492 --> 00:42:37.193
then you don't.

00:42:37.873 --> 00:42:39.034
So there's a little bit of a cost

00:42:39.054 --> 00:42:39.494
concern,

00:42:39.574 --> 00:42:40.956
but I'm also a big fan of black

00:42:40.976 --> 00:42:41.356
and white.

00:42:41.396 --> 00:42:41.795
Right.

00:42:42.235 --> 00:42:45.619
So to me, we've really, really,

00:42:45.699 --> 00:42:48.400
really had some amazing artists that have

00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:50.922
done interiors and sequential work for us.

00:42:52.003 --> 00:42:54.063
And so one of the things that that's

00:42:54.103 --> 00:42:56.525
been really cool when you jam with other

00:42:56.605 --> 00:42:57.365
creatives is,

00:42:58.572 --> 00:43:02.474
is other artists and writers have done

00:43:02.514 --> 00:43:05.534
things with our we try to give very

00:43:05.554 --> 00:43:07.414
basic guidance and then we want to see

00:43:07.474 --> 00:43:09.695
what you bring to it so there's been

00:43:09.715 --> 00:43:11.715
a lot of really cool stuff that people

00:43:11.755 --> 00:43:13.536
have kind of worked out on their own

00:43:13.615 --> 00:43:15.556
and kind of like found little things that

00:43:15.817 --> 00:43:18.157
they kind of ran with with our kind

00:43:18.177 --> 00:43:20.637
of basic guidance and then we've taken

00:43:20.677 --> 00:43:21.677
some of that feedback

00:43:22.804 --> 00:43:24.166
from the people that have done work for

00:43:24.226 --> 00:43:25.807
us and built it into, you know,

00:43:25.827 --> 00:43:26.387
it's like a ship.

00:43:26.407 --> 00:43:27.909
That's what I do.

00:43:27.949 --> 00:43:30.530
Let's, you know, let's bring that in.

00:43:30.570 --> 00:43:32.432
Let's make it work.

00:43:32.572 --> 00:43:34.134
Let's use that little visual cue.

00:43:35.494 --> 00:43:37.976
so one of the characters um the bad

00:43:38.016 --> 00:43:39.817
guys have a cat right because he you

00:43:39.836 --> 00:43:42.478
know skeletor and he managed a cat yeah

00:43:42.538 --> 00:43:46.478
yes um we have our cat which i

00:43:46.518 --> 00:43:48.239
forget why we just when we initially made

00:43:48.300 --> 00:43:49.840
it it's called hexalore seven and you see

00:43:49.900 --> 00:43:50.920
it it's in the book a little bit

00:43:50.940 --> 00:43:52.782
in the first couple issues background

00:43:52.822 --> 00:43:56.402
character we already have we have a twelve

00:43:56.463 --> 00:43:58.284
page origin story for that cat

00:43:59.735 --> 00:43:59.835
Dude,

00:44:00.054 --> 00:44:02.637
that's insane and amazing and I like it.

00:44:03.137 --> 00:44:05.440
So if you notice in issue two –

00:44:05.139 --> 00:44:05.900
I'm a cat guy.

00:44:06.161 --> 00:44:06.862
That cat's there,

00:44:06.882 --> 00:44:08.764
but it's got like a monocle and like

00:44:08.804 --> 00:44:11.005
some different hardware that Danny drew

00:44:11.085 --> 00:44:11.545
onto it.

00:44:12.407 --> 00:44:14.809
And so we took that and that's like

00:44:14.949 --> 00:44:16.590
the – that's Hexalore four.

00:44:17.592 --> 00:44:20.574
So we had a writer actually from the

00:44:20.675 --> 00:44:20.755
U.K.,

00:44:22.250 --> 00:44:23.831
we gave some basic direction and said this

00:44:23.851 --> 00:44:26.512
character basically keeps getting killed

00:44:26.612 --> 00:44:29.253
and then umex keeps bringing it back to

00:44:29.293 --> 00:44:31.414
life yeah right so then we got to

00:44:31.434 --> 00:44:32.994
go back in the continuity i'm like okay

00:44:33.014 --> 00:44:35.074
we showed this cat as an older version

00:44:35.135 --> 00:44:37.096
in this book so you've got to when

00:44:37.115 --> 00:44:38.416
you do that when you do one of

00:44:38.436 --> 00:44:40.237
these older versions you got to go back

00:44:40.277 --> 00:44:41.898
to this one where it's got this weird

00:44:42.318 --> 00:44:45.940
like eyepiece right yeah that is so cool

00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:46.199
though

00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.161
right but but then we got to catch

00:44:48.240 --> 00:44:49.641
all of our stuff because when danny drew

00:44:49.661 --> 00:44:50.943
the cat she drew it a little differently

00:44:50.963 --> 00:44:52.184
you know you're like all right cool and

00:44:52.483 --> 00:44:54.485
i think we told her to um so

00:44:54.525 --> 00:44:56.327
it's like wait so there's that cat but

00:44:56.347 --> 00:44:57.806
then we go back and you'll see that

00:44:57.847 --> 00:44:59.869
version of the cat because that story is

00:44:59.909 --> 00:45:01.590
basically version one until it dies

00:45:01.630 --> 00:45:03.150
version two till it dies version three

00:45:03.170 --> 00:45:05.492
till it dies six six seven and seven

00:45:05.532 --> 00:45:06.753
is the last one that's in the main

00:45:06.813 --> 00:45:08.715
story that you know it's kind of with

00:45:08.735 --> 00:45:10.456
the bad guys rolling around the background

00:45:10.496 --> 00:45:10.675
but

00:45:11.820 --> 00:45:12.960
It's a really cool story.

00:45:13.101 --> 00:45:14.360
And for a character, you're like,

00:45:14.380 --> 00:45:15.121
it's just kind of a,

00:45:15.641 --> 00:45:17.302
it's a cat that seemingly just is kind

00:45:17.322 --> 00:45:20.224
of a soldier, just kills people.

00:45:20.724 --> 00:45:22.105
So there's a lot of this stuff that

00:45:22.125 --> 00:45:23.166
like we're hyper,

00:45:24.554 --> 00:45:27.094
Like when I was a kid, right.

00:45:27.315 --> 00:45:28.635
I was, I was one of those kids.

00:45:28.655 --> 00:45:29.295
I'd get a toy.

00:45:29.335 --> 00:45:31.556
I'd watch a cartoon and I would wonder,

00:45:32.175 --> 00:45:33.456
you know, Hey, the guy in the background,

00:45:33.496 --> 00:45:34.297
like, where's he going?

00:45:34.657 --> 00:45:35.858
Like, what, what is like, what,

00:45:35.898 --> 00:45:36.518
what's going on?

00:45:36.818 --> 00:45:38.117
I see a background painting.

00:45:38.157 --> 00:45:39.179
I see a second castle.

00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:39.998
Like, so when I was a kid,

00:45:40.179 --> 00:45:41.458
a little kid and I watched the wizard

00:45:41.478 --> 00:45:43.840
of Oz, the classic movie,

00:45:44.420 --> 00:45:46.260
there's the two little roads, right.

00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:47.081
With the yellow brick road.

00:45:47.101 --> 00:45:48.521
There's like a purple road and then

00:45:48.581 --> 00:45:48.882
yellow.

00:45:48.961 --> 00:45:49.882
Yeah.

00:45:50.041 --> 00:45:51.623
I'm the asshole that I would have been

00:45:51.663 --> 00:45:52.742
like, where's the other one?

00:45:52.762 --> 00:45:52.963
Yeah.

00:45:53.951 --> 00:45:56.313
Like, where does it go, right?

00:45:57.034 --> 00:45:59.036
I don't know, but to me,

00:45:59.076 --> 00:46:00.538
there's always like the stuff you don't

00:46:00.597 --> 00:46:00.858
see,

00:46:00.898 --> 00:46:02.500
but your imagination is probably better

00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:03.199
than we can show you.

00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:06.003
So kind of in my role as a

00:46:06.063 --> 00:46:06.503
creator,

00:46:07.644 --> 00:46:08.144
I do writing.

00:46:08.304 --> 00:46:09.505
I do art obviously.

00:46:10.186 --> 00:46:11.407
But then part of it is being like

00:46:11.467 --> 00:46:11.666
this,

00:46:11.766 --> 00:46:12.668
if we're going to jump around with

00:46:12.708 --> 00:46:14.088
timelines and have all these characters

00:46:14.128 --> 00:46:14.789
doing different stuff,

00:46:14.969 --> 00:46:15.750
you got to have some of this,

00:46:15.789 --> 00:46:18.851
like the continuity, you know, overwork.

00:46:18.891 --> 00:46:20.251
So those are the kinds of weird things

00:46:20.271 --> 00:46:21.632
that I look for to make sure, Hey,

00:46:21.652 --> 00:46:23.193
remember we had that character, you know,

00:46:23.213 --> 00:46:24.715
we zipped back in the past to show

00:46:24.735 --> 00:46:25.876
that character doing this.

00:46:26.335 --> 00:46:27.777
Well then, okay, then why are they,

00:46:28.257 --> 00:46:29.577
then why did they have that?

00:46:29.617 --> 00:46:29.797
Okay.

00:46:29.818 --> 00:46:30.619
Well that was, we, you know,

00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:31.838
this character was going to have different

00:46:31.858 --> 00:46:33.000
iterations and we were going to show him

00:46:33.019 --> 00:46:33.679
getting killed,

00:46:33.739 --> 00:46:35.961
but like getting killed in different ways.

00:46:36.242 --> 00:46:36.362
Um,

00:46:37.938 --> 00:46:38.177
So,

00:46:38.438 --> 00:46:39.719
and one of the fun things is that

00:46:39.778 --> 00:46:41.320
the writer that wrote that story,

00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:42.701
he's a big fan of a lot of

00:46:42.721 --> 00:46:43.740
the stuff you're talking about.

00:46:43.820 --> 00:46:45.561
So he put a lot of callbacks to

00:46:45.581 --> 00:46:48.284
the first four issues that he picked up

00:46:48.483 --> 00:46:50.605
on that he wanted to like re-highlight.

00:46:51.005 --> 00:46:51.666
At the same time,

00:46:51.706 --> 00:46:53.726
he also did some really cool original

00:46:53.786 --> 00:46:56.768
stuff that ties into existing stuff that

00:46:56.788 --> 00:46:59.710
we've done, which is cool.

00:46:59.730 --> 00:47:02.652
So do you do traditional mediums or have

00:47:02.672 --> 00:47:03.632
you made the switch over to go a

00:47:03.652 --> 00:47:05.672
hundred percent digital now when it comes

00:47:05.693 --> 00:47:06.353
to your artwork?

00:47:07.141 --> 00:47:09.722
So there was a time when I did

00:47:10.123 --> 00:47:12.184
all my penciling by hand,

00:47:12.284 --> 00:47:14.485
and I hand inked everything with India ink

00:47:14.684 --> 00:47:16.125
and little Micron pens.

00:47:17.925 --> 00:47:19.445
Being a dad, full-time job,

00:47:20.025 --> 00:47:21.666
I had to bail on the inking just

00:47:21.686 --> 00:47:22.507
to get stuff done.

00:47:22.547 --> 00:47:23.108
So at this point,

00:47:23.148 --> 00:47:24.967
I still do everything by hand with pencil

00:47:24.987 --> 00:47:25.507
that I do.

00:47:26.909 --> 00:47:28.809
I have two guys that are digital inkers

00:47:28.849 --> 00:47:30.730
that I send my originals to as a

00:47:30.769 --> 00:47:31.771
high-resolution scan,

00:47:31.791 --> 00:47:32.811
and I tell them to ink it.

00:47:34.271 --> 00:47:35.731
They're probably better anchors than me.

00:47:35.751 --> 00:47:36.693
They work digitally.

00:47:37.673 --> 00:47:38.934
It'd be cool if they did it all

00:47:38.974 --> 00:47:39.534
by hand.

00:47:39.675 --> 00:47:40.454
But at this point,

00:47:43.697 --> 00:47:45.438
if that's the medium they choose to work

00:47:45.498 --> 00:47:45.577
in,

00:47:45.597 --> 00:47:47.199
that's the medium they choose to work in.

00:47:48.460 --> 00:47:49.400
So in this book,

00:47:51.041 --> 00:47:52.902
my art was pencil with digital inks.

00:47:53.103 --> 00:47:55.143
The other two stories in issue five were

00:47:55.204 --> 00:47:56.905
all hand pencil, hand inked.

00:47:58.242 --> 00:48:00.244
So the other two, Luigi and Sasha,

00:48:00.324 --> 00:48:01.304
I have all their originals.

00:48:01.425 --> 00:48:02.824
Each issue has a folder of all the

00:48:02.844 --> 00:48:05.186
originals and then they get sold through

00:48:05.226 --> 00:48:06.648
Kickstarters and Indiegogo.

00:48:06.708 --> 00:48:09.688
So those guys did their stuff by hand,

00:48:09.708 --> 00:48:10.909
but we have some stuff that's in the

00:48:10.949 --> 00:48:12.210
can for some future issues.

00:48:12.269 --> 00:48:13.831
It's all digital, right?

00:48:13.851 --> 00:48:16.793
So it's different from story to story to

00:48:16.913 --> 00:48:17.592
artist to artist.

00:48:17.632 --> 00:48:19.134
So actually a couple of the ones we

00:48:19.153 --> 00:48:21.695
have coming up are all just digital.

00:48:21.715 --> 00:48:23.996
But for me, it's pencil.

00:48:25.572 --> 00:48:26.432
It is cool, though.

00:48:26.893 --> 00:48:29.655
And nobody outside of you and your team

00:48:29.695 --> 00:48:32.916
are going to know the difference anyway.

00:48:32.936 --> 00:48:34.297
You're going to have to have a very

00:48:34.338 --> 00:48:36.400
good eye to notice the difference between

00:48:36.420 --> 00:48:37.661
the two because it's not easy.

00:48:38.594 --> 00:48:39.516
Well, at this point,

00:48:39.536 --> 00:48:41.097
we've been doing this long enough that now

00:48:41.117 --> 00:48:42.418
you've got AI as an issue.

00:48:42.438 --> 00:48:44.318
And that's a big no-go for me.

00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.161
I don't want to see that in our

00:48:46.201 --> 00:48:46.561
books.

00:48:47.481 --> 00:48:48.943
That wasn't an issue until about a year

00:48:48.963 --> 00:48:49.684
and a half ago.

00:48:50.364 --> 00:48:53.226
And to me, that's a whole different thing.

00:48:53.346 --> 00:48:54.367
I've heard some, well,

00:48:54.427 --> 00:48:55.487
people are using computers.

00:48:56.128 --> 00:48:57.449
When you're using a computer as a tool,

00:48:57.510 --> 00:48:59.251
it's just a digital pencil.

00:48:59.271 --> 00:48:59.891
Whereas AI is...

00:49:00.652 --> 00:49:02.672
ai is scraping other people's work and

00:49:02.713 --> 00:49:04.893
like combining it into some algorithm to

00:49:04.974 --> 00:49:07.456
build things that are just kind of like

00:49:07.596 --> 00:49:09.175
it's like we're stealing but we'll steal

00:49:09.297 --> 00:49:11.898
one percent from like a hundred people so

00:49:12.097 --> 00:49:14.318
it's not as easy to see per se

00:49:14.378 --> 00:49:15.880
but you know i don't i don't want

00:49:15.940 --> 00:49:18.221
that but yeah i probably will never go

00:49:18.240 --> 00:49:20.802
to digital but my anchors use digital on

00:49:20.842 --> 00:49:21.882
my work which is cool with me

00:49:24.157 --> 00:49:24.577
I like it,

00:49:24.597 --> 00:49:27.621
and especially the fact that you just come

00:49:27.681 --> 00:49:29.501
out and said, we don't do AI,

00:49:29.541 --> 00:49:31.083
which I'm always happy to hear.

00:49:31.463 --> 00:49:34.487
I think so far, knock on wood,

00:49:34.527 --> 00:49:37.750
I've had a lot of customers on over

00:49:37.769 --> 00:49:38.510
the last year,

00:49:38.630 --> 00:49:40.032
and I don't think I've had a single

00:49:40.251 --> 00:49:42.094
one whose work looked like it was AI

00:49:42.153 --> 00:49:43.094
in any kind of way.

00:49:44.349 --> 00:49:46.309
will tell you this and this is and

00:49:46.349 --> 00:49:47.831
this this came out of left field at

00:49:47.871 --> 00:49:49.652
my at my regular job which has nothing

00:49:49.672 --> 00:49:51.512
to do with comics i had a i

00:49:51.532 --> 00:49:53.074
had a person at work that said man

00:49:53.474 --> 00:49:54.855
he goes i got an idea for you

00:49:54.875 --> 00:49:56.275
and i said well what's that he goes

00:49:56.315 --> 00:49:58.376
you could use ai on your comics and

00:49:58.556 --> 00:50:00.077
think of all the work you would say

00:50:01.398 --> 00:50:03.940
and this person said it to me from

00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:05.940
a place of caring like they were helping

00:50:06.061 --> 00:50:08.463
me yeah and i said well i said

00:50:08.483 --> 00:50:09.963
i i let me just kind of walk

00:50:09.983 --> 00:50:10.884
you back i was like

00:50:13.161 --> 00:50:15.643
If you make art, whether it's dance,

00:50:15.864 --> 00:50:17.724
music, writing, visual arts, whatever,

00:50:18.826 --> 00:50:20.367
the finished product is a goal.

00:50:20.867 --> 00:50:21.427
But I'm like,

00:50:22.407 --> 00:50:24.849
the process and creating it and learning,

00:50:25.130 --> 00:50:26.190
there's massive,

00:50:26.471 --> 00:50:28.112
I get massive enjoyment out of that.

00:50:28.927 --> 00:50:31.969
So to me, to take that away,

00:50:32.349 --> 00:50:34.331
just to speed to the finish line,

00:50:34.471 --> 00:50:34.871
I'm like,

00:50:35.550 --> 00:50:37.032
it would be like having food with no

00:50:37.072 --> 00:50:38.913
flavor.

00:50:39.733 --> 00:50:40.333
Absolutely.

00:50:40.954 --> 00:50:41.815
Hey, here's calories.

00:50:41.835 --> 00:50:42.494
You don't need to eat.

00:50:42.514 --> 00:50:43.235
There's no flavor.

00:50:43.315 --> 00:50:44.416
We'll just inject you once a day and

00:50:44.436 --> 00:50:45.896
you'll have calories and you won't die.

00:50:46.177 --> 00:50:47.677
Think about the time you save eating.

00:50:47.717 --> 00:50:49.418
And it's like, no,

00:50:49.538 --> 00:50:51.418
I like the inefficiencies of eating and

00:50:51.478 --> 00:50:52.440
cooking and everything.

00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:54.920
you know flavors and food and all that

00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:57.262
stuff so and i told him that and

00:50:57.282 --> 00:50:58.382
he goes oh i'm sorry i said no

00:50:58.402 --> 00:51:00.625
no i said you you i mean you're

00:51:00.664 --> 00:51:02.925
trying to help you're not a creator you

00:51:02.945 --> 00:51:06.208
you look at it as work yeah if

00:51:06.228 --> 00:51:07.829
you have a passion for creating

00:51:08.748 --> 00:51:11.070
It's not work at all.

00:51:11.130 --> 00:51:12.590
It's really not.

00:51:12.610 --> 00:51:12.949
Look, dude,

00:51:13.010 --> 00:51:14.590
sometimes it is painful and it's a

00:51:14.670 --> 00:51:16.331
struggle and you'll struggle to figure out

00:51:16.371 --> 00:51:18.032
a pose or a page or you'll have

00:51:18.052 --> 00:51:18.992
to redo work.

00:51:19.172 --> 00:51:20.452
There's shit that's painful.

00:51:21.052 --> 00:51:26.213
One of the pages in Lord's Five that

00:51:26.293 --> 00:51:26.653
I did,

00:51:27.054 --> 00:51:29.795
the original is actually three pieces of

00:51:29.875 --> 00:51:32.315
board sliced with a razor and taped on

00:51:32.335 --> 00:51:32.795
the back.

00:51:33.871 --> 00:51:37.152
Because the top panel and the bottom panel

00:51:37.172 --> 00:51:38.474
were exactly how I wanted them.

00:51:38.534 --> 00:51:39.673
And the panel in the middle,

00:51:40.213 --> 00:51:41.855
it just wasn't quite right.

00:51:42.655 --> 00:51:44.456
It's like Zemba's pointing a pistol in the

00:51:44.496 --> 00:51:44.757
middle.

00:51:44.876 --> 00:51:45.376
It's like three.

00:51:45.556 --> 00:51:50.619
And I erased so many times in the

00:51:50.659 --> 00:51:53.601
middle that the paper like fell apart.

00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.682
i redid the center panel on a different

00:51:57.722 --> 00:51:59.644
board and i was really happy with how

00:51:59.684 --> 00:52:01.907
that turned out and i took a knife

00:52:01.967 --> 00:52:04.750
and i cut them yeah and i i

00:52:04.771 --> 00:52:07.693
i reassembled the pages and look dude that

00:52:07.713 --> 00:52:09.436
was a pain in the ass and i

00:52:09.496 --> 00:52:11.438
hated it but

00:52:12.829 --> 00:52:14.230
It's not about the finished product.

00:52:14.311 --> 00:52:17.291
It's about the struggle and achieving the

00:52:17.311 --> 00:52:19.431
struggle to get where I wanted to get.

00:52:19.632 --> 00:52:20.992
And I was a labor of love.

00:52:21.552 --> 00:52:21.833
Yeah.

00:52:21.972 --> 00:52:24.273
And then like so that page specifically to

00:52:24.333 --> 00:52:26.494
me is gorgeous because it means it's like

00:52:26.815 --> 00:52:28.414
it's like scarred man in the back.

00:52:28.454 --> 00:52:29.876
It's like I cut them apart,

00:52:30.155 --> 00:52:32.597
laid them down, taped them back together.

00:52:32.657 --> 00:52:33.597
So it's like one.

00:52:33.657 --> 00:52:35.538
The measurements have to be spot on still.

00:52:36.318 --> 00:52:37.699
yeah it still has to be a certain

00:52:37.739 --> 00:52:39.199
requirement you can it's not like you

00:52:39.219 --> 00:52:43.163
could just like do this no that's awesome

00:52:43.202 --> 00:52:45.043
though you know and someone say well think

00:52:45.083 --> 00:52:46.344
of all the time you'd saved if you

00:52:46.364 --> 00:52:47.806
did this or that it's like yeah but

00:52:48.226 --> 00:52:50.628
i i'm really i'm super proud of that

00:52:50.668 --> 00:52:52.489
page and that how i i fought to

00:52:52.530 --> 00:52:55.371
make that middle panel the best it could

00:52:55.391 --> 00:52:55.532
be

00:52:56.889 --> 00:52:59.351
So when you're drawing the same characters

00:52:59.472 --> 00:53:00.351
over and over and over,

00:53:00.652 --> 00:53:01.994
you're trying for different angles,

00:53:02.034 --> 00:53:03.715
different zooms, different pan outs.

00:53:04.335 --> 00:53:05.195
So you don't want it to be the

00:53:05.235 --> 00:53:06.516
same and you want to move the eye

00:53:06.536 --> 00:53:07.056
and everything else.

00:53:07.077 --> 00:53:08.177
So I'm really proud of that page.

00:53:08.197 --> 00:53:09.458
But it was a freaking struggle.

00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:12.179
But I'm proud of the struggle.

00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:12.440
Right.

00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:13.440
That's the like,

00:53:13.501 --> 00:53:16.362
I know it's like when your mom would

00:53:16.402 --> 00:53:18.184
make you dinner growing up and you're

00:53:18.204 --> 00:53:18.764
like, hey, mom,

00:53:18.804 --> 00:53:20.385
what's the secret ingredient?

00:53:20.786 --> 00:53:22.347
It's love, son.

00:53:23.983 --> 00:53:25.864
And I see that no different in art.

00:53:27.045 --> 00:53:28.885
When people are talking about AI and that

00:53:28.925 --> 00:53:31.586
kind of stuff, yeah, you can do it,

00:53:31.646 --> 00:53:34.307
but you're not putting the love into it

00:53:34.927 --> 00:53:36.449
to make it what you want it to

00:53:36.528 --> 00:53:36.809
be.

00:53:37.568 --> 00:53:39.269
It's like the easy button at Staples.

00:53:40.110 --> 00:53:40.690
Yeah.

00:53:40.791 --> 00:53:41.990
And like I said, to me...

00:53:42.530 --> 00:53:44.431
And it has no soul.

00:53:45.092 --> 00:53:45.452
To me,

00:53:45.492 --> 00:53:47.393
the struggle is part of the enjoyment that

00:53:47.413 --> 00:53:48.552
we struggle to get better.

00:53:50.313 --> 00:53:52.114
I can look back at these five issues

00:53:52.255 --> 00:53:53.797
and I can look at all the mistakes

00:53:53.836 --> 00:53:55.257
and I can look at all the improvements.

00:53:56.454 --> 00:53:58.516
and change and evolution as writers,

00:53:58.577 --> 00:53:59.797
creators, editors,

00:54:00.597 --> 00:54:02.239
putting the books together from a

00:54:02.438 --> 00:54:04.521
formatting and printing process.

00:54:04.541 --> 00:54:05.460
So issue five,

00:54:06.422 --> 00:54:07.682
when I was putting it together,

00:54:08.302 --> 00:54:09.704
I went to go back to reorder the

00:54:09.784 --> 00:54:11.644
original four books from a printer I used

00:54:11.684 --> 00:54:12.306
in Arizona.

00:54:12.405 --> 00:54:13.306
And they said, well, you know,

00:54:13.427 --> 00:54:15.387
all these things are the wrong formats.

00:54:15.427 --> 00:54:16.268
They're the wrong size.

00:54:16.327 --> 00:54:16.748
I said, well,

00:54:17.228 --> 00:54:18.530
how the hell did you print them?

00:54:20.150 --> 00:54:21.492
They said the guy that was printing them

00:54:21.632 --> 00:54:22.893
was doing stuff he shouldn't have done.

00:54:22.913 --> 00:54:24.634
He should not have printed your books for

00:54:24.673 --> 00:54:25.514
years the way they were.

00:54:25.534 --> 00:54:25.994
And I was like,

00:54:27.596 --> 00:54:28.536
So they said,

00:54:28.556 --> 00:54:30.038
you got to reformat all these books.

00:54:31.298 --> 00:54:32.518
And then I went back to the old

00:54:32.539 --> 00:54:34.501
books that I had printed and I had

00:54:34.541 --> 00:54:36.802
realized that there was printing errors

00:54:36.842 --> 00:54:38.163
that no one ever noticed.

00:54:38.543 --> 00:54:40.965
I never noticed them where there should

00:54:40.985 --> 00:54:42.085
have been gutters at the bottom.

00:54:42.106 --> 00:54:44.027
The art was printed out past the page

00:54:44.047 --> 00:54:45.547
and we lost like small bits of art.

00:54:46.208 --> 00:54:46.489
Yeah.

00:54:46.929 --> 00:54:48.090
One of the reasons that Lords of the

00:54:48.130 --> 00:54:51.112
Cosmos five was such a burden was not

00:54:51.152 --> 00:54:52.512
only did I have to get the current

00:54:52.552 --> 00:54:53.094
book correct,

00:54:53.193 --> 00:54:55.355
I had to go back and reformat every

00:54:55.414 --> 00:54:56.596
single old issue.

00:54:57.096 --> 00:54:58.237
I was cleaning up margins,

00:54:58.297 --> 00:54:59.237
cleaning up pages,

00:54:59.797 --> 00:55:02.500
formatted each book for PDF and print.

00:55:04.402 --> 00:55:07.463
So that was really like doing five books

00:55:07.563 --> 00:55:09.405
of like, okay,

00:55:09.465 --> 00:55:10.585
you've got one hundred and sixty eight

00:55:10.626 --> 00:55:12.728
pages that you clean up and reformat it.

00:55:12.867 --> 00:55:13.407
And you're like,

00:55:13.467 --> 00:55:15.590
PDF can be a fickle beast itself.

00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.422
pdf can be different than print for a

00:55:19.461 --> 00:55:21.724
lot of reasons right because like printing

00:55:21.764 --> 00:55:23.324
you may leave a little bit for a

00:55:23.385 --> 00:55:25.606
bleed and a cut whereas a pdf is

00:55:25.646 --> 00:55:29.809
digital digital it's different so i hit a

00:55:29.851 --> 00:55:32.552
point now i can format a book for

00:55:32.592 --> 00:55:34.994
you forward and back for years apparently

00:55:35.034 --> 00:55:36.215
i was just the idiot being like oh

00:55:36.255 --> 00:55:38.356
here's a png here's a pdf here's a

00:55:38.396 --> 00:55:40.197
jpeg and they were all different sizes

00:55:41.099 --> 00:55:42.679
And this guy at this printing company was

00:55:42.699 --> 00:55:43.900
just like, sure, fuck it.

00:55:43.981 --> 00:55:44.922
Well, excuse my language.

00:55:44.942 --> 00:55:47.563
We'll just print it.

00:55:47.684 --> 00:55:48.204
It printed.

00:55:48.885 --> 00:55:51.226
But I was I didn't even have the

00:55:51.367 --> 00:55:52.847
eye to pick up on the mistakes.

00:55:52.947 --> 00:55:54.449
I'm not saying I'm a printing expert,

00:55:54.469 --> 00:55:55.849
but I'm a lot more dangerous.

00:55:55.889 --> 00:55:57.351
There's a lot of this stuff that like

00:55:58.092 --> 00:56:01.114
you you learn and like the guy you

00:56:01.173 --> 00:56:03.936
are today versus the guy you were when

00:56:03.956 --> 00:56:04.496
you started.

00:56:04.697 --> 00:56:06.117
And this started in twenty sixteen.

00:56:07.181 --> 00:56:10.170
Like I'm a lot more dangerous, I'm better.

00:56:10.309 --> 00:56:12.856
And I wanna keep getting better

00:56:13.657 --> 00:56:16.260
But there's an enjoyment in tackling those

00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:16.820
problems.

00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:18.382
I had to go fix all those damn

00:56:18.402 --> 00:56:18.742
pages.

00:56:18.922 --> 00:56:21.144
I didn't say, hey, AI, fix these pages.

00:56:21.664 --> 00:56:22.425
No, I said,

00:56:22.786 --> 00:56:26.250
create a single page and fix them for

00:56:26.309 --> 00:56:28.532
print and PDF.

00:56:28.911 --> 00:56:29.952
That's wild, man.

00:56:30.574 --> 00:56:31.534
So, like I said,

00:56:31.574 --> 00:56:34.536
I have a very – there's times where

00:56:34.556 --> 00:56:35.717
I look at these pages and I love

00:56:35.737 --> 00:56:37.019
them, and then I'm like, what?

00:56:37.340 --> 00:56:39.561
You know what I mean?

00:56:40.525 --> 00:56:42.487
Or you take a film director where we

00:56:42.507 --> 00:56:44.387
have to watch this film over and over

00:56:44.447 --> 00:56:46.447
and over and over and over and over.

00:56:47.188 --> 00:56:48.469
And, you know, look,

00:56:48.528 --> 00:56:49.648
you could take a film.

00:56:50.550 --> 00:56:51.710
Obviously, you're a Star Wars fan,

00:56:51.730 --> 00:56:53.590
so you could say Empire Strikes Back and

00:56:53.610 --> 00:56:55.472
I could say watch it sixty times.

00:56:55.512 --> 00:56:56.592
Dude,

00:56:56.612 --> 00:56:58.092
I don't care how good that movie is

00:56:58.132 --> 00:56:58.652
and it's great.

00:56:58.693 --> 00:56:58.972
Yeah,

00:56:59.193 --> 00:57:00.554
sixty times in a row is going to

00:57:00.574 --> 00:57:02.693
be a struggle, especially Rewind.

00:57:03.275 --> 00:57:04.295
Fast forward.

00:57:04.675 --> 00:57:04.835
Like,

00:57:04.934 --> 00:57:06.476
I don't like this little thing right here.

00:57:06.516 --> 00:57:08.277
Let's see this little thing right here.

00:57:08.297 --> 00:57:09.317
Yeah, let's cut that out.

00:57:10.090 --> 00:57:10.451
Yeah.

00:57:10.471 --> 00:57:11.452
I couldn't imagine.

00:57:12.211 --> 00:57:13.333
And you'll hit a point where it's like,

00:57:13.413 --> 00:57:14.432
I never want to see it.

00:57:14.452 --> 00:57:15.333
It's like, it's a great movie.

00:57:15.373 --> 00:57:16.574
And you're like, brother,

00:57:16.594 --> 00:57:18.574
that's why you hear so many actors and

00:57:18.635 --> 00:57:20.076
directors and stuff like that.

00:57:20.155 --> 00:57:22.496
And editors who go, I won't see that.

00:57:22.818 --> 00:57:24.358
Like I worked on that and I won't

00:57:24.398 --> 00:57:27.800
watch it because they pour so many hours

00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:28.740
of their life into it.

00:57:28.780 --> 00:57:29.400
And they're just like,

00:57:30.344 --> 00:57:30.905
Yeah, it's great.

00:57:31.125 --> 00:57:32.646
Everybody told me it's a great movie.

00:57:33.346 --> 00:57:35.286
Well, I never want to see it again.

00:57:35.347 --> 00:57:36.467
And there's another part of it, too.

00:57:36.907 --> 00:57:38.148
You see all your mistakes.

00:57:38.168 --> 00:57:39.708
There's all that they so mean to me.

00:57:39.829 --> 00:57:41.088
No matter how much you work on these

00:57:41.128 --> 00:57:41.449
books,

00:57:41.528 --> 00:57:43.329
you just see there is a level of

00:57:43.369 --> 00:57:44.849
like you see all the warts.

00:57:46.539 --> 00:57:48.501
So I do think it is hard to

00:57:48.521 --> 00:57:50.143
have fun with your own work to a

00:57:50.204 --> 00:57:50.644
degree.

00:57:51.246 --> 00:57:52.927
One thing that is fun about an anthology

00:57:52.947 --> 00:57:54.389
is having other people do stuff.

00:57:54.409 --> 00:57:56.032
So I kind of get to geek out

00:57:56.112 --> 00:57:57.335
over like other people's art.

00:57:57.355 --> 00:57:58.936
Like, yeah, cool.

00:57:58.996 --> 00:57:59.277
Right.

00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:00.159
Um,

00:58:01.072 --> 00:58:02.231
But one of the things,

00:58:02.773 --> 00:58:04.213
and it's a blessing and a curse,

00:58:04.592 --> 00:58:06.813
some of the guys, like Luigi and Sasha,

00:58:06.833 --> 00:58:08.675
the two artists, they're both from Italy,

00:58:08.954 --> 00:58:10.795
that did the art for the other two

00:58:10.815 --> 00:58:13.157
stories that weren't the main story.

00:58:14.237 --> 00:58:14.998
I mean, those guys,

00:58:15.137 --> 00:58:16.237
I look at them and I feel like

00:58:16.257 --> 00:58:16.757
an amateur.

00:58:17.038 --> 00:58:17.898
I felt their art...

00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:19.519
was so good.

00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:21.601
I was like, damn,

00:58:21.641 --> 00:58:23.063
I can't believe these guys are in my

00:58:23.123 --> 00:58:23.443
book.

00:58:23.583 --> 00:58:25.844
You know what's wild is you just brought

00:58:25.885 --> 00:58:28.206
up the fact that they're both from Italy.

00:58:28.347 --> 00:58:31.449
I just had Sabe on here who does

00:58:31.869 --> 00:58:34.510
Shot Kitted Peter, the art for it.

00:58:34.911 --> 00:58:37.873
He's also from Italy and I had him

00:58:37.934 --> 00:58:39.655
on the podcast I think two weeks ago.

00:58:40.666 --> 00:58:42.668
to talk about his work and that kind

00:58:42.688 --> 00:58:44.269
of stuff and his influences.

00:58:44.670 --> 00:58:45.831
So it's just wild that you're like,

00:58:45.911 --> 00:58:47.293
oh yeah, both these guys are from Italy.

00:58:47.353 --> 00:58:47.675
And I'm like,

00:58:47.835 --> 00:58:49.295
I just had an Italian artist on here

00:58:49.335 --> 00:58:49.556
too.

00:58:49.657 --> 00:58:51.759
And it's crazy.

00:58:51.778 --> 00:58:54.463
Like the number of Italian artists out

00:58:54.503 --> 00:58:56.704
there that people are sleeping on.

00:58:56.744 --> 00:58:58.327
Don't sleep on those Italian artists

00:58:58.347 --> 00:58:59.648
because they are so good.

00:59:00.588 --> 00:59:02.150
I mean, they are both so good.

00:59:02.170 --> 00:59:02.550
Like I said,

00:59:02.650 --> 00:59:04.831
I kind of felt embarrassed at some point

00:59:04.871 --> 00:59:06.030
looking at how good their art was.

00:59:06.052 --> 00:59:08.672
I was like, Ooh, this stuff is great.

00:59:09.293 --> 00:59:11.434
Um, it's a global world, man.

00:59:11.594 --> 00:59:13.934
I mean, both of those guys,

00:59:14.034 --> 00:59:14.894
I found one,

00:59:15.155 --> 00:59:17.036
I found Luigi on Instagram and I found

00:59:17.115 --> 00:59:18.097
Sasha on Facebook.

00:59:18.157 --> 00:59:19.277
I just was like, Hey, you know,

00:59:19.297 --> 00:59:20.297
I'd love to have you work on my

00:59:20.318 --> 00:59:20.538
book.

00:59:20.577 --> 00:59:21.659
And they, they were awesome.

00:59:22.539 --> 00:59:22.639
Um,

00:59:23.768 --> 00:59:24.309
I've been blessed.

00:59:24.329 --> 00:59:25.731
We've had a lot of really good people

00:59:25.751 --> 00:59:26.670
that have worked on the book,

00:59:26.731 --> 00:59:30.253
guest covers, pinups, sequentials.

00:59:31.655 --> 00:59:33.135
Probably one of the worst things I have

00:59:33.195 --> 00:59:36.998
right now is I probably have five stories

00:59:37.018 --> 00:59:38.340
that are completely done that just need to

00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:39.541
be put in a book that are done

00:59:39.561 --> 00:59:40.121
by others,

00:59:40.181 --> 00:59:41.402
that they were things that we've gotten

00:59:41.422 --> 00:59:42.483
done over the last couple of years.

00:59:42.523 --> 00:59:43.423
Some of them are still sitting around

00:59:43.463 --> 00:59:45.485
since COVID.

00:59:46.586 --> 00:59:47.608
It's just the problem is it's just...

00:59:48.594 --> 00:59:50.195
if I could get these books out faster,

00:59:50.255 --> 00:59:50.936
I could, I could get it.

00:59:50.976 --> 00:59:51.976
But there's a lot of stuff that's just

00:59:52.097 --> 00:59:53.677
like, and like ready to go.

00:59:53.697 --> 00:59:54.538
It just needs lettered,

00:59:54.659 --> 00:59:55.838
put to print and go.

00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:57.239
I probably will.

00:59:57.260 --> 00:59:58.000
That's really cool though,

00:59:58.019 --> 01:00:01.121
that you have like just all this material

01:00:01.161 --> 01:00:02.822
for this, this story,

01:00:02.842 --> 01:00:05.324
just ready to go when the time is

01:00:05.364 --> 01:00:05.945
appropriate.

01:00:06.264 --> 01:00:06.806
Yeah.

01:00:06.985 --> 01:00:08.527
Well, I got to go ahead.

01:00:08.547 --> 01:00:08.827
I'm sorry.

01:00:09.266 --> 01:00:10.987
Let's jump into DeLorean real quick and go

01:00:11.007 --> 01:00:12.329
back to the nineteen eighties.

01:00:13.148 --> 01:00:13.349
Yeah.

01:00:13.409 --> 01:00:14.789
Not that we haven't been walking down

01:00:14.829 --> 01:00:17.871
memory lane for the last hour almost, but,

01:00:20.893 --> 01:00:23.894
why eighties let's backtrack,

01:00:24.195 --> 01:00:27.076
which creators or franchises from the

01:00:27.215 --> 01:00:30.717
eighties are still influencing you today?

01:00:31.617 --> 01:00:32.657
I know we've been hitting on it a

01:00:32.717 --> 01:00:33.079
little bit,

01:00:33.099 --> 01:00:34.938
but if there's like one or two that

01:00:34.958 --> 01:00:35.920
you could like, say,

01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.840
I arrive a lot of my story from

01:00:38.981 --> 01:00:40.740
these right here.

01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:40.800
Um,

01:00:42.041 --> 01:00:44.322
I think probably the number one influence,

01:00:44.342 --> 01:00:45.922
uh, is,

01:00:46.202 --> 01:00:49.264
is the filmation masters of the universe.

01:00:50.485 --> 01:00:50.525
Um,

01:00:52.989 --> 01:00:54.489
Filmation cut a lot of corners.

01:00:54.731 --> 01:00:55.751
They did a lot of stuff that was

01:00:55.791 --> 01:00:56.931
kind of cheap and corny.

01:00:57.891 --> 01:01:00.012
But that showed to me when I was

01:01:00.032 --> 01:01:01.873
a kid with the toys,

01:01:02.092 --> 01:01:03.492
and each toy had a little comic book

01:01:03.512 --> 01:01:04.672
that was about this big.

01:01:07.494 --> 01:01:08.954
That whole thing was fun.

01:01:10.655 --> 01:01:12.315
I might have been nine or ten when

01:01:12.356 --> 01:01:13.536
that was new.

01:01:13.576 --> 01:01:13.735
No,

01:01:13.755 --> 01:01:14.896
I might have been like seven or eight.

01:01:14.936 --> 01:01:17.277
But they were very fun.

01:01:17.396 --> 01:01:18.498
They were very crazy.

01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.922
And I really think that that was a

01:01:22.981 --> 01:01:24.742
fundamental thing for me.

01:01:24.983 --> 01:01:28.505
In two thousand three, the Four Horsemen,

01:01:28.525 --> 01:01:30.286
which is a toy company in L.A.,

01:01:30.327 --> 01:01:33.788
did some like really high end masters redo

01:01:33.807 --> 01:01:36.530
toys and they put a cartoon out to

01:01:36.570 --> 01:01:37.590
support those toys.

01:01:39.711 --> 01:01:41.932
Those toys and that cartoon.

01:01:43.153 --> 01:01:45.335
Kind of recodified toys.

01:01:46.650 --> 01:01:47.349
how cool...

01:01:47.851 --> 01:01:49.471
The concept in the eighties was really

01:01:49.510 --> 01:01:49.911
cool.

01:01:50.052 --> 01:01:51.931
The execution was a little bit lacking.

01:01:52.833 --> 01:01:54.273
Early two thousands cartoon,

01:01:54.313 --> 01:01:58.135
if you've never seen it, was peak.

01:01:58.775 --> 01:01:59.315
It was like, okay,

01:01:59.436 --> 01:02:01.416
let's take this concept and we'll turn it

01:02:01.436 --> 01:02:02.077
up to an eleven.

01:02:02.976 --> 01:02:04.677
They had Korean animators do it.

01:02:05.458 --> 01:02:06.518
The action was three dimensional.

01:02:06.539 --> 01:02:08.539
I don't know if you've seen it,

01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:10.701
but it's probably... It's great.

01:02:11.740 --> 01:02:13.402
It's on Netflix too.

01:02:13.442 --> 01:02:14.503
There's a whole new...

01:02:15.635 --> 01:02:17.996
He-Man storylines and the whole nine going

01:02:18.097 --> 01:02:18.297
on.

01:02:19.097 --> 01:02:19.597
Yeah.

01:02:19.617 --> 01:02:19.958
Well, for me,

01:02:20.077 --> 01:02:22.259
the O three version was just incredible.

01:02:22.298 --> 01:02:22.960
So, I mean, to me,

01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.081
Masters of the Universe is one that I'd

01:02:25.121 --> 01:02:26.262
say if I had to pick one that

01:02:26.302 --> 01:02:27.463
was really fundamental,

01:02:28.282 --> 01:02:29.844
I would say Masters of the Universe.

01:02:30.625 --> 01:02:32.146
And I would say the other one that

01:02:32.206 --> 01:02:34.067
still sticks in my head that never really

01:02:34.086 --> 01:02:36.389
got as big was was Thundar the Barbarian.

01:02:37.478 --> 01:02:40.498
Which was really crazy because it was like

01:02:40.539 --> 01:02:42.940
a violent post-apocalyptic Saturday

01:02:42.980 --> 01:02:45.661
morning Ruby Spears cartoon where it's

01:02:45.681 --> 01:02:48.762
like the moon crashes and the moon splits

01:02:48.802 --> 01:02:51.844
in half and like oceans drown cities and

01:02:51.884 --> 01:02:53.644
now it's this world in the future where

01:02:53.684 --> 01:02:53.844
this...

01:02:54.844 --> 01:02:56.686
Guy with a lightsaber and like a talking

01:02:56.766 --> 01:02:58.827
bear and like this lady that's a magician

01:02:58.867 --> 01:03:00.929
are like going to fight across like

01:03:01.570 --> 01:03:04.251
destroyed landscapes in North America and

01:03:04.311 --> 01:03:06.032
fight wizards, monsters.

01:03:06.132 --> 01:03:08.333
And it just there was so much creativity

01:03:08.353 --> 01:03:08.994
in that show.

01:03:10.427 --> 01:03:10.867
I loved it.

01:03:11.648 --> 01:03:12.849
And look, the other thing I'll say,

01:03:13.168 --> 01:03:14.110
big anime fan.

01:03:14.130 --> 01:03:17.291
I'm wearing my Ninja Scroll shirt right

01:03:17.351 --> 01:03:17.632
now,

01:03:18.152 --> 01:03:19.313
which is cool because it's got Ninja

01:03:19.333 --> 01:03:20.414
Scroll stuff in the sleeve.

01:03:20.934 --> 01:03:22.096
Huge fan of anime.

01:03:23.277 --> 01:03:24.356
I was born in the seventies.

01:03:24.478 --> 01:03:26.398
I remember watching Battle of the Planets

01:03:26.438 --> 01:03:27.940
as a very small child when I was

01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:28.701
like three or four.

01:03:29.221 --> 01:03:31.362
that and speed racer and then it was

01:03:31.442 --> 01:03:35.244
robotech then it was bubblegum crisis then

01:03:35.264 --> 01:03:37.063
it was dominion tank police then it was

01:03:37.083 --> 01:03:41.525
akira uh you know giant robo cowboy bebop

01:03:41.585 --> 01:03:44.927
etc so to me oh yeah uh anime's

01:03:44.987 --> 01:03:46.809
always been a huge influence to me that

01:03:46.949 --> 01:03:48.748
that it's weird because i've been a fan

01:03:48.829 --> 01:03:51.351
my whole life um there's new shows out

01:03:51.411 --> 01:03:53.490
now that are amazing they're they're in my

01:03:53.530 --> 01:03:56.333
mind like uh dan and solo leveling which

01:03:56.353 --> 01:03:56.913
i think oh yeah

01:03:58.195 --> 01:03:59.614
I was actually just watching,

01:03:59.635 --> 01:04:01.835
catching up on the newest season of Dan

01:04:01.856 --> 01:04:02.175
to Dan.

01:04:02.195 --> 01:04:03.876
I hadn't started season two yet,

01:04:03.896 --> 01:04:06.056
so I was starting season two.

01:04:06.097 --> 01:04:07.117
But then I love to go back and

01:04:07.137 --> 01:04:11.358
watch Midnight Aigoku or City Hunter or

01:04:11.378 --> 01:04:11.778
whatever.

01:04:11.838 --> 01:04:13.478
There's so much.

01:04:13.518 --> 01:04:16.119
That stuff's always in my mind with an

01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:16.739
aesthetic.

01:04:17.780 --> 01:04:19.360
There's so much kinetic energy.

01:04:19.601 --> 01:04:23.342
That explains the anime cover that you did

01:04:23.362 --> 01:04:24.842
on issue five as well.

01:04:25.478 --> 01:04:25.777
Yeah,

01:04:25.797 --> 01:04:28.440
so that was a big nod to Bubblegum

01:04:28.460 --> 01:04:29.121
Crisis.

01:04:29.501 --> 01:04:31.384
When I first got Bubblegum Crisis,

01:04:31.423 --> 01:04:33.465
they were in like clamshell VHS tapes.

01:04:34.947 --> 01:04:36.088
So what we did for that cover is

01:04:36.148 --> 01:04:38.730
I found a guy that he did Psycorn

01:04:38.789 --> 01:04:40.351
and Obsidian as anime characters in the

01:04:40.411 --> 01:04:41.012
nineties style.

01:04:42.054 --> 01:04:43.835
And then we got a photograph of one

01:04:43.876 --> 01:04:45.898
of those clamshell boxes and then put like

01:04:45.918 --> 01:04:48.260
the, the unicolor block at the bottom.

01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:50.764
And we matched up the fonts from the

01:04:50.804 --> 01:04:51.164
box.

01:04:51.224 --> 01:04:53.867
Cause even my Danny who did the layout,

01:04:53.887 --> 01:04:55.349
she said, this looks like shit.

01:04:56.311 --> 01:04:57.030
Why are we using this?

01:04:58.512 --> 01:04:59.014
And I was like,

01:04:59.114 --> 01:05:01.114
I showed her a picture and she goes,

01:05:01.195 --> 01:05:01.496
okay.

01:05:01.536 --> 01:05:02.416
She goes, I get it.

01:05:02.456 --> 01:05:03.818
She goes, it still looks like shit.

01:05:03.878 --> 01:05:05.679
And I said, well, I know.

01:05:05.798 --> 01:05:06.960
I said, yeah, you're not wrong.

01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:07.740
It looks like shit,

01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:09.081
but we're trying to like imitate it.

01:05:09.121 --> 01:05:09.782
Like this is,

01:05:10.202 --> 01:05:12.965
this is literally if Lords of the Cosmos

01:05:13.005 --> 01:05:15.427
was a clamshell box from the, from like,

01:05:15.447 --> 01:05:16.527
from like the, from like the,

01:05:16.547 --> 01:05:17.568
from like the, from like the,

01:05:17.608 --> 01:05:19.831
from like the, from like the,

01:05:19.851 --> 01:05:20.592
from like the, from like the,

01:05:20.612 --> 01:05:21.572
from like the, from like the,

01:05:21.612 --> 01:05:23.114
from like the, from like the,

01:05:23.134 --> 01:05:24.255
from like the, from like the,

01:05:24.275 --> 01:05:25.014
from like the,

01:05:25.916 --> 01:05:26.516
So I love anime.

01:05:26.735 --> 01:05:27.996
Shout out to CJ.

01:05:28.016 --> 01:05:29.137
CJ in the chat there.

01:05:29.896 --> 01:05:33.097
He has a fantastic horror podcast where he

01:05:33.117 --> 01:05:34.079
does nothing but horror.

01:05:35.018 --> 01:05:35.298
Hi, CJ.

01:05:35.318 --> 01:05:35.898
Amazing dude.

01:05:35.958 --> 01:05:36.719
Super smart.

01:05:37.980 --> 01:05:42.780
So if Lords of the Cosmos was a

01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:46.123
toy line in nineteen eighty six,

01:05:47.083 --> 01:05:51.643
which figure would be impossible to find

01:05:51.824 --> 01:05:53.485
at Toys R Us?

01:05:55.117 --> 01:05:56.237
you know you got the back and it

01:05:56.257 --> 01:05:58.297
tells you all the figures from the line

01:05:58.838 --> 01:06:00.759
which one of those figures is going to

01:06:00.778 --> 01:06:05.101
be next to impossible to ever find if

01:06:05.121 --> 01:06:08.101
it ever really existed i think the obvious

01:06:08.181 --> 01:06:09.422
answer would be the two gigantic

01:06:09.442 --> 01:06:11.123
characters because they would be like the

01:06:11.163 --> 01:06:13.302
uss flag right where it's like this holy

01:06:13.322 --> 01:06:15.423
grail of toys people like oh my god

01:06:15.463 --> 01:06:17.804
i saw one i saw a box because

01:06:17.824 --> 01:06:20.106
they're oversized they're too big

01:06:21.407 --> 01:06:22.148
And they're hard to get.

01:06:22.208 --> 01:06:24.108
So I follow a lot of toy stuff

01:06:24.168 --> 01:06:25.028
on social media.

01:06:25.128 --> 01:06:29.170
And there's a guy that he puts old

01:06:29.210 --> 01:06:30.431
toy catalog stuff up.

01:06:30.552 --> 01:06:32.431
And his name's like US Toy Dad or

01:06:32.831 --> 01:06:33.512
something like that.

01:06:33.773 --> 01:06:35.152
So he'll put up like Sears catalogs and

01:06:35.172 --> 01:06:36.414
JCPenney, stuff like that.

01:06:37.313 --> 01:06:39.775
And he put a thing up that was

01:06:40.155 --> 01:06:41.775
a play set called Eternia.

01:06:42.496 --> 01:06:43.677
I was like, what?

01:06:43.717 --> 01:06:45.356
So there was Gray Skull.

01:06:46.018 --> 01:06:46.918
There was Snake Mountain.

01:06:48.032 --> 01:06:49.552
then there was this thing that connected

01:06:49.572 --> 01:06:50.672
with both of them that had like a

01:06:50.773 --> 01:06:51.652
monorail on it.

01:06:53.074 --> 01:06:54.114
And it was a toy that was,

01:06:54.474 --> 01:06:55.034
it was big.

01:06:55.054 --> 01:06:56.775
It was like their biggest play set ever.

01:06:57.375 --> 01:06:59.235
I had never heard until like last year.

01:06:59.376 --> 01:06:59.695
And I'm like,

01:06:59.715 --> 01:07:01.077
I don't even remember this as a kid.

01:07:01.936 --> 01:07:03.938
And so I think the hardest ones to

01:07:03.998 --> 01:07:06.099
find are when these toy lines are near

01:07:06.139 --> 01:07:06.659
the end.

01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:09.599
So maybe it would be like a gigantic,

01:07:09.619 --> 01:07:12.360
uh, Oh my God.

01:07:12.601 --> 01:07:12.760
Uh,

01:07:13.867 --> 01:07:15.708
Like a gigantic play set of the planet

01:07:15.728 --> 01:07:16.630
or something like that.

01:07:16.710 --> 01:07:17.530
Oh, that'd be kind of dope.

01:07:17.610 --> 01:07:19.711
Especially because the planet itself is

01:07:19.871 --> 01:07:20.291
living.

01:07:20.972 --> 01:07:22.753
The planet Aiden play set.

01:07:22.893 --> 01:07:23.815
Well, you picked up on that.

01:07:23.855 --> 01:07:24.974
Is the planet alive?

01:07:25.014 --> 01:07:26.476
Like there's an eyeball in it, right?

01:07:26.496 --> 01:07:27.077
In issue one.

01:07:28.097 --> 01:07:29.739
So that's going to be addressed in issue

01:07:29.798 --> 01:07:30.679
six again, right?

01:07:30.699 --> 01:07:32.360
There's going to be more of that.

01:07:32.380 --> 01:07:34.041
I'll just keep building up that good hype

01:07:34.121 --> 01:07:34.961
for issue six.

01:07:35.021 --> 01:07:35.682
I like it.

01:07:35.902 --> 01:07:37.784
So we're like, is this planet alive?

01:07:37.804 --> 01:07:38.905
What's going on here, right?

01:07:39.144 --> 01:07:39.585
Because, I mean,

01:07:39.605 --> 01:07:41.005
you got the whole vibe of it.

01:07:41.146 --> 01:07:43.668
And, like, even before the eye.

01:07:44.688 --> 01:07:50.030
Because you see basically the veins of the

01:07:50.090 --> 01:07:52.612
planet and how the planet is providing the

01:07:52.672 --> 01:07:56.313
power and the life energy of this planet.

01:07:56.853 --> 01:07:58.835
So that whole thing is just like,

01:07:59.275 --> 01:08:00.376
maybe this planet is alive.

01:08:00.396 --> 01:08:01.936
And then you do see the giant eyeball.

01:08:01.956 --> 01:08:03.458
And then you're like, oh, well,

01:08:03.577 --> 01:08:05.378
maybe it's kind of like from the Marvel

01:08:05.438 --> 01:08:09.041
Universe where there's a living being

01:08:09.101 --> 01:08:10.581
inside the core of that planet just

01:08:10.621 --> 01:08:11.722
waiting to explode out.

01:08:12.579 --> 01:08:12.998
So, you know,

01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:14.440
the hardest toy to get would be the

01:08:14.500 --> 01:08:16.440
Planet Aiden playset, right?

01:08:16.461 --> 01:08:17.841
They would have made it when the toy

01:08:17.862 --> 01:08:19.162
line was declining and they would say,

01:08:19.182 --> 01:08:19.243
hey,

01:08:19.262 --> 01:08:20.923
we made this hundred fifty dollar playset

01:08:20.944 --> 01:08:22.564
with a gigantic eyeball and a mountain and

01:08:22.585 --> 01:08:24.145
like a monorail and like the pipes and

01:08:24.166 --> 01:08:24.706
everything else.

01:08:25.025 --> 01:08:26.226
That would be the toy that you couldn't

01:08:26.287 --> 01:08:26.466
get.

01:08:26.527 --> 01:08:27.306
It would be like, oh, my God,

01:08:27.686 --> 01:08:28.868
you would find out this year,

01:08:28.908 --> 01:08:29.287
twenty twenty.

01:08:29.307 --> 01:08:31.229
You said there was a Planet Aiden playset.

01:08:31.569 --> 01:08:33.050
Yeah, we made a few.

01:08:33.069 --> 01:08:34.411
It was only out in stores for a

01:08:34.430 --> 01:08:34.770
little bit.

01:08:34.810 --> 01:08:35.832
That'd be the one that would be hard

01:08:35.851 --> 01:08:36.011
to get.

01:08:36.112 --> 01:08:36.212
Yeah,

01:08:36.231 --> 01:08:37.953
but it was only in bigger cities and

01:08:37.972 --> 01:08:41.274
there was only one per store per every

01:08:41.333 --> 01:08:42.354
ten stores.

01:08:42.715 --> 01:08:45.154
So one in every ten stores in a

01:08:45.296 --> 01:08:48.737
major city got exactly one.

01:08:48.756 --> 01:08:49.157
Correct.

01:08:49.317 --> 01:08:50.216
That's how you'd find out.

01:08:50.237 --> 01:08:52.318
So that would be the Planet Aiden playset.

01:08:52.398 --> 01:08:52.578
Yeah,

01:08:52.618 --> 01:08:53.859
because the bad guys would have their

01:08:53.918 --> 01:08:55.399
fortress playset and the good guys would

01:08:55.418 --> 01:08:55.738
have theirs.

01:08:55.759 --> 01:08:57.039
But it's like the bigger,

01:08:57.079 --> 01:08:57.619
because like G.I.

01:08:57.659 --> 01:08:58.701
Joe had a space shuttle toy.

01:08:58.720 --> 01:08:59.560
Did you know that?

01:09:00.188 --> 01:09:01.148
I did, actually.

01:09:01.948 --> 01:09:03.449
I found out about that recently, too,

01:09:03.470 --> 01:09:04.029
and I was like, damn,

01:09:04.090 --> 01:09:04.449
I didn't know that.

01:09:04.470 --> 01:09:06.331
I remember I didn't know that,

01:09:06.430 --> 01:09:07.612
and it was probably near the end of

01:09:07.652 --> 01:09:08.652
its big run.

01:09:09.112 --> 01:09:10.853
They were pumping out bigger toys,

01:09:10.872 --> 01:09:12.814
and that was just kind of the end,

01:09:12.854 --> 01:09:14.614
right?

01:09:14.635 --> 01:09:17.036
They crowdfund a lot of those play sets

01:09:17.095 --> 01:09:17.376
now.

01:09:17.997 --> 01:09:18.296
Yes.

01:09:19.382 --> 01:09:21.384
Which is really cool.

01:09:21.423 --> 01:09:23.104
They're like pricey.

01:09:23.164 --> 01:09:24.564
I know on the Star Wars side of

01:09:24.585 --> 01:09:26.225
the house, I keep up with those.

01:09:27.106 --> 01:09:29.828
And they just did a Jabba's Cell Barge

01:09:29.927 --> 01:09:30.547
on that side.

01:09:30.587 --> 01:09:32.288
I think it was the Jabba's Cell Barge.

01:09:33.128 --> 01:09:35.390
And it was like a six hundred dollar

01:09:38.152 --> 01:09:39.731
like just to buy in on it.

01:09:40.193 --> 01:09:42.993
And then if they didn't hit its amount

01:09:43.274 --> 01:09:44.715
of units ordered,

01:09:45.215 --> 01:09:46.855
they couldn't produce the toy.

01:09:46.895 --> 01:09:47.256
So

01:09:48.472 --> 01:09:48.733
I'm like,

01:09:48.773 --> 01:09:51.314
so you're throwing in six hundred dollars

01:09:51.414 --> 01:09:53.036
and you a you're not getting that six

01:09:53.055 --> 01:09:53.877
hundred dollars back.

01:09:54.577 --> 01:09:57.639
Oh, it doesn't go.

01:09:58.078 --> 01:09:58.340
Oh,

01:09:58.779 --> 01:10:01.521
so you're rolling dice literally with your

01:10:01.721 --> 01:10:02.922
your hard earned cash.

01:10:03.762 --> 01:10:05.965
So but is there going to be a

01:10:05.984 --> 01:10:08.345
video game?

01:10:08.426 --> 01:10:09.827
A Lords of the Cosmos, I wish.

01:10:10.467 --> 01:10:12.389
Yeah, you brought it.

01:10:12.509 --> 01:10:13.930
You had it in your in your,

01:10:14.569 --> 01:10:15.451
you know, thing and.

01:10:16.413 --> 01:10:18.494
When I read through Indiegogo and

01:10:18.635 --> 01:10:19.416
Kickstarter stuff,

01:10:19.815 --> 01:10:20.917
I'm picking out the details.

01:10:20.957 --> 01:10:24.337
So if Lords of the Cosmos was a

01:10:24.377 --> 01:10:25.078
video game,

01:10:25.158 --> 01:10:27.060
it would be like the four-person X-Men

01:10:27.100 --> 01:10:28.720
side scroll that just sucked quarters,

01:10:28.761 --> 01:10:29.001
right?

01:10:29.041 --> 01:10:29.740
That's what it would be.

01:10:30.282 --> 01:10:31.842
But it would be so fun.

01:10:31.863 --> 01:10:33.122
Oh, yeah.

01:10:33.162 --> 01:10:33.382
Yeah,

01:10:33.403 --> 01:10:34.923
and then you'd have the main villains as

01:10:34.984 --> 01:10:35.363
bosses,

01:10:35.384 --> 01:10:36.744
and it would be a quarter-eating machine.

01:10:36.765 --> 01:10:37.386
That's what it would be.

01:10:37.426 --> 01:10:39.447
That would totally be what Lords of the

01:10:39.466 --> 01:10:40.146
Cosmos would be.

01:10:40.167 --> 01:10:42.167
It would be the X-Men four-player cabinet.

01:10:42.488 --> 01:10:43.609
And I would just be sitting there,

01:10:44.389 --> 01:10:45.050
dropping them in.

01:10:46.908 --> 01:10:47.810
You could pick the characters,

01:10:47.829 --> 01:10:48.930
and they would be, like, generic.

01:10:49.010 --> 01:10:50.350
They would have, like, generic soldiers.

01:10:50.671 --> 01:10:52.192
And then you hit Umek's, you know,

01:10:52.292 --> 01:10:53.412
goons along the way.

01:10:54.193 --> 01:10:55.474
You'd fight Psycorn, like,

01:10:55.493 --> 01:10:56.194
three levels in.

01:10:56.215 --> 01:10:58.275
You'd fight Obsidian in so many levels.

01:10:58.315 --> 01:10:59.176
And, like, they would be, like, the...

01:10:59.256 --> 01:11:00.596
Well, Obsidian would have to be, like,

01:11:00.617 --> 01:11:03.078
the number two before you face Umek.

01:11:03.198 --> 01:11:03.779
Yeah.

01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:05.000
Yeah.

01:11:05.619 --> 01:11:06.841
She's the main squeeze, man.

01:11:07.421 --> 01:11:07.881
She is.

01:11:08.402 --> 01:11:09.983
And she don't let anybody forget it,

01:11:10.023 --> 01:11:10.302
either.

01:11:10.823 --> 01:11:11.023
Who?

01:11:11.042 --> 01:11:11.122
Who?

01:11:13.095 --> 01:11:14.615
She's quick to remind people.

01:11:15.056 --> 01:11:15.957
So let's talk about.

01:11:16.358 --> 01:11:17.599
So you did Kickstarter.

01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:18.579
Yeah.

01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:20.161
And you also did Indiegogo,

01:11:20.180 --> 01:11:21.622
which is a first for us here at

01:11:21.762 --> 01:11:22.502
USDN.

01:11:22.963 --> 01:11:24.784
We've dealt with many of Kickstarters.

01:11:24.805 --> 01:11:26.827
We've dealt with many of self-funded

01:11:27.046 --> 01:11:27.608
books.

01:11:28.127 --> 01:11:30.170
But this is the first one that's currently

01:11:30.210 --> 01:11:31.631
still active on Indiegogo,

01:11:31.650 --> 01:11:32.532
if I'm not mistaken.

01:11:33.212 --> 01:11:33.493
Yep.

01:11:33.533 --> 01:11:34.333
So for one more week.

01:11:35.694 --> 01:11:38.136
how what's the difference between the two

01:11:38.195 --> 01:11:38.536
really?

01:11:38.756 --> 01:11:40.158
And like from a,

01:11:41.057 --> 01:11:42.479
cause you still have to build the page.

01:11:42.500 --> 01:11:44.060
You still have to preload everything.

01:11:44.121 --> 01:11:44.841
You still have this,

01:11:44.860 --> 01:11:47.222
a lot of work to build a front

01:11:47.262 --> 01:11:49.505
page of one of these sites for your

01:11:49.765 --> 01:11:50.166
book.

01:11:51.065 --> 01:11:54.149
But what's the biggest difference between

01:11:54.248 --> 01:11:57.572
Indiegogo and Kickstarter?

01:11:57.612 --> 01:12:01.534
So Indiegogo is the biggest name brand

01:12:01.555 --> 01:12:01.614
and,

01:12:02.320 --> 01:12:05.703
Like, they are the Coca-Cola, right?

01:12:06.563 --> 01:12:07.783
So the first thing that Kickstarter is

01:12:07.804 --> 01:12:09.363
going to bring is that they have a

01:12:09.423 --> 01:12:10.385
lot of eyes on it.

01:12:10.465 --> 01:12:11.725
They just have more customers.

01:12:12.225 --> 01:12:14.065
Yeah.

01:12:14.086 --> 01:12:18.387
I think their platform is a little easier

01:12:18.408 --> 01:12:19.748
to use in the back end.

01:12:19.788 --> 01:12:21.470
A little bit.

01:12:21.489 --> 01:12:23.270
Okay.

01:12:23.310 --> 01:12:25.152
So what's the – why do two?

01:12:25.192 --> 01:12:25.311
Okay.

01:12:27.354 --> 01:12:28.135
A couple of years ago,

01:12:28.635 --> 01:12:30.975
I picked up on people doing exactly this,

01:12:31.015 --> 01:12:33.237
where they would put it on Kickstarter and

01:12:33.256 --> 01:12:35.578
then they would do like Backerkit,

01:12:35.778 --> 01:12:39.698
Indiegogo, Crowdfunder, Zoop.

01:12:40.099 --> 01:12:40.840
There's different ones.

01:12:40.859 --> 01:12:42.279
Yeah.

01:12:42.300 --> 01:12:44.400
So the reason there's a couple thoughts to

01:12:44.461 --> 01:12:44.560
it.

01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:46.681
One, there's a delay.

01:12:47.942 --> 01:12:49.403
Maybe new people find you.

01:12:49.542 --> 01:12:49.922
Like, oh,

01:12:50.002 --> 01:12:51.002
I didn't know you a year ago.

01:12:51.042 --> 01:12:52.104
And shoot, you know what I mean?

01:12:52.144 --> 01:12:52.844
Like, this is cool.

01:12:52.904 --> 01:12:54.243
So it's like a second chance to kind

01:12:54.283 --> 01:12:55.104
of bring people around.

01:12:57.265 --> 01:12:58.887
And then I also think that you can

01:12:59.148 --> 01:13:00.448
do a little bit of re-engagement.

01:13:00.469 --> 01:13:01.630
So we have a couple things on the

01:13:01.710 --> 01:13:02.930
Indiegogo that weren't on Kickstarter.

01:13:02.951 --> 01:13:03.551
Like, hey, you know,

01:13:03.572 --> 01:13:05.132
we have a couple different covers, right?

01:13:05.212 --> 01:13:06.054
Yeah.

01:13:07.202 --> 01:13:09.623
And then there's some people that just

01:13:09.663 --> 01:13:10.805
like different platforms.

01:13:10.845 --> 01:13:11.425
Like, oh, yeah,

01:13:12.046 --> 01:13:13.487
you will meet people that are like, oh,

01:13:13.506 --> 01:13:15.068
I hate Kickstarter for whatever reason,

01:13:15.368 --> 01:13:16.488
right?

01:13:16.588 --> 01:13:16.729
Yeah.

01:13:16.748 --> 01:13:18.149
I mean, no different than someone saying,

01:13:18.229 --> 01:13:18.711
oh, my God,

01:13:19.131 --> 01:13:20.731
we all love going to McDonald's.

01:13:20.752 --> 01:13:22.092
And you're like, oh, I'll never go there.

01:13:22.113 --> 01:13:22.453
I hate it.

01:13:22.554 --> 01:13:25.615
I like going to, you know, Five Guys,

01:13:25.695 --> 01:13:25.855
right?

01:13:26.493 --> 01:13:28.194
I'm like, well, come on, we're going here.

01:13:28.213 --> 01:13:31.036
And you're like, no, I don't like that.

01:13:31.676 --> 01:13:32.837
Well, it makes sense.

01:13:33.216 --> 01:13:35.018
It a hundred percent makes sense.

01:13:35.578 --> 01:13:37.418
It was just one of those where I

01:13:37.458 --> 01:13:38.640
didn't know the difference personally

01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:43.722
because I had never seen Indiegogo until

01:13:43.762 --> 01:13:44.063
today.

01:13:44.243 --> 01:13:45.503
I mean, I knew it existed,

01:13:46.083 --> 01:13:48.204
but I've never seen like anybody like,

01:13:49.185 --> 01:13:49.506
oh yeah,

01:13:49.525 --> 01:13:51.407
I'm on Kickstarter and I'm on Indiegogo,

01:13:51.487 --> 01:13:52.207
which is kind of cool.

01:13:52.992 --> 01:13:55.234
so Kickstarter was kind of like the main

01:13:55.493 --> 01:13:57.395
act and I've called this the encore.

01:13:57.416 --> 01:13:59.677
So basically, um, my friend Tara,

01:14:00.057 --> 01:14:01.659
I paid her to help put everything together

01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:02.621
for the Kickstarter.

01:14:02.761 --> 01:14:04.702
And then I just gave her, you know,

01:14:04.903 --> 01:14:06.163
a feed at basically I was like,

01:14:06.184 --> 01:14:09.105
just export the work from this one to

01:14:09.126 --> 01:14:09.686
that one.

01:14:10.247 --> 01:14:12.408
So a lot of it's just right.

01:14:12.429 --> 01:14:14.511
You're not reinventing the wheel per se.

01:14:14.530 --> 01:14:16.091
It's like a lot of the stuff's just

01:14:16.152 --> 01:14:16.372
done.

01:14:16.393 --> 01:14:18.014
You can just kind of export it over.

01:14:18.954 --> 01:14:19.055
Um,

01:14:20.219 --> 01:14:21.502
Indiegogo just changed.

01:14:21.743 --> 01:14:23.105
They got bought by a company called

01:14:23.166 --> 01:14:23.768
GameFound.

01:14:23.787 --> 01:14:25.813
So the one problem we did have in

01:14:25.893 --> 01:14:26.956
full transparency,

01:14:27.015 --> 01:14:29.322
we had the campaign ready to go.

01:14:30.737 --> 01:14:32.297
And then one of the guys from Indiegogo

01:14:32.337 --> 01:14:33.319
sent us a note and said, hey,

01:14:33.338 --> 01:14:34.760
you should wait till we transfer to the

01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:36.740
new platform and your campaign will be

01:14:36.780 --> 01:14:37.121
saved.

01:14:38.082 --> 01:14:40.363
It was saved, but there was an issue,

01:14:40.483 --> 01:14:41.583
kind of like if you had an old

01:14:41.644 --> 01:14:42.384
Word file,

01:14:42.484 --> 01:14:43.845
then you try to open it in Microsoft

01:14:43.864 --> 01:14:45.546
today, it could be like, oh,

01:14:45.565 --> 01:14:47.087
there's no spacing or paragraphs.

01:14:47.127 --> 01:14:48.627
And you're like, oh, shoot.

01:14:48.707 --> 01:14:49.729
I got to go back and make it

01:14:49.748 --> 01:14:51.109
look like the way it's supposed to.

01:14:51.149 --> 01:14:53.030
So we did have to go back and

01:14:53.070 --> 01:14:55.112
kind of reformat all the data.

01:14:56.533 --> 01:14:57.332
So it's...

01:14:58.654 --> 01:15:00.114
There's some nice things about it.

01:15:00.194 --> 01:15:03.496
One really nice thing with Indiegogo,

01:15:03.536 --> 01:15:04.275
if you really want to get in the

01:15:04.315 --> 01:15:05.055
weeds,

01:15:05.376 --> 01:15:08.898
pre-launch followers is a big deal now.

01:15:09.078 --> 01:15:11.779
One problem with Kickstarter is if you

01:15:11.819 --> 01:15:14.198
have like four hundred people follow your

01:15:14.238 --> 01:15:14.739
project,

01:15:14.779 --> 01:15:16.220
you don't get access to who they are.

01:15:16.819 --> 01:15:17.581
With Indiegogo,

01:15:17.621 --> 01:15:19.801
you have access to who those people are.

01:15:19.841 --> 01:15:21.641
So there's little things like that where

01:15:21.662 --> 01:15:22.841
it's like, okay,

01:15:23.141 --> 01:15:24.542
I'm glad you're telling me who these

01:15:24.582 --> 01:15:26.604
people are because it's valuable to me to

01:15:26.644 --> 01:15:27.783
be able to communicate with them.

01:15:28.552 --> 01:15:31.336
um no that's really cool though so my

01:15:31.376 --> 01:15:33.016
coloring book project that i did before

01:15:33.037 --> 01:15:35.078
this i did a coloring book between lords

01:15:35.099 --> 01:15:37.320
four and lords five that was the first

01:15:37.341 --> 01:15:39.122
time i did a double dip campaign so

01:15:39.162 --> 01:15:41.864
my main kickstarter campaign raised like

01:15:41.904 --> 01:15:44.146
sixteen thousand dollars and then the

01:15:44.186 --> 01:15:46.769
indiegogo raised like twelve hundred

01:15:46.788 --> 01:15:47.168
dollars

01:15:48.340 --> 01:15:49.640
And this one's kind of the same.

01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:51.001
Like Kickstarter was like, yeah,

01:15:51.421 --> 01:15:52.021
ten dollars.

01:15:52.301 --> 01:15:54.323
The Indiegogo is like seven fifty.

01:15:54.943 --> 01:15:55.582
But to me,

01:15:55.722 --> 01:15:57.804
it's seven fifty and backers that we

01:15:57.823 --> 01:15:58.684
didn't get the first time.

01:15:59.145 --> 01:16:00.845
So my expectations,

01:16:01.706 --> 01:16:03.466
my gut feeling is it may get to

01:16:03.485 --> 01:16:04.907
a thousand dollars by the end.

01:16:06.074 --> 01:16:09.355
right but but it's expectations right if i

01:16:09.376 --> 01:16:11.695
looked at my indigo my indiegogo from my

01:16:11.735 --> 01:16:14.577
coloring book it did you know about eight

01:16:14.676 --> 01:16:16.936
eight percent seven percent of kickstarter

01:16:17.037 --> 01:16:19.337
this is maybe about the same maybe a

01:16:19.358 --> 01:16:21.198
little bit more yeah you know again so

01:16:21.217 --> 01:16:24.179
to me um if it finds one new

01:16:24.238 --> 01:16:26.378
reader okay cool great i mean and i

01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:27.979
think it's got ten backers for seven

01:16:27.998 --> 01:16:29.779
hundred and fifty one dollars last i

01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:30.180
checked it

01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:32.201
Yeah, I mean, that's not bad.

01:16:32.220 --> 01:16:35.002
I mean, it's just, you know,

01:16:35.023 --> 01:16:36.923
you're given opportunities for people,

01:16:37.805 --> 01:16:39.565
like if they're watching the show today.

01:16:40.126 --> 01:16:40.485
Correct.

01:16:40.546 --> 01:16:41.846
And when I do the re-release in a

01:16:41.907 --> 01:16:42.507
couple of days,

01:16:42.547 --> 01:16:44.047
they're still going to have a few days

01:16:44.109 --> 01:16:45.869
left to get in on this campaign.

01:16:46.689 --> 01:16:48.791
So you're literally going to have an

01:16:48.851 --> 01:16:50.493
opportunity to go in.

01:16:51.332 --> 01:16:53.274
You can get all the issues you want

01:16:53.413 --> 01:16:53.954
digitally.

01:16:53.975 --> 01:16:55.095
You can catch up on it.

01:16:55.136 --> 01:16:55.735
You can get

01:16:57.832 --> 01:17:00.234
Any of the actual physical copies that you

01:17:00.274 --> 01:17:01.515
want, one through five.

01:17:02.395 --> 01:17:07.698
You have an amazing lineup of covers with

01:17:07.738 --> 01:17:07.958
this.

01:17:07.998 --> 01:17:10.180
You have anime variants, spicy variants,

01:17:10.761 --> 01:17:11.841
international artists.

01:17:11.881 --> 01:17:14.783
You have your black and white metal.

01:17:15.804 --> 01:17:16.444
You name it,

01:17:16.465 --> 01:17:18.746
you have a cover that will inspire

01:17:18.805 --> 01:17:19.126
somebody.

01:17:19.226 --> 01:17:22.708
And you also do personalized covers,

01:17:22.788 --> 01:17:24.430
if I'm not mistaken, for some of them.

01:17:25.228 --> 01:17:29.453
So I did put a ban on sketch

01:17:29.493 --> 01:17:31.936
covers for Yogo.

01:17:33.420 --> 01:17:34.661
I really put a lot of time into

01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:36.002
Kickstarter sketch covers.

01:17:36.623 --> 01:17:37.465
So I just didn't.

01:17:38.260 --> 01:17:39.780
What I want to do is wrap this

01:17:39.860 --> 01:17:41.863
up, get these rewards out in the mail,

01:17:42.384 --> 01:17:43.265
and I want to wrap it up and

01:17:43.284 --> 01:17:43.625
be done,

01:17:43.645 --> 01:17:44.485
and I'm going to start working on the

01:17:44.506 --> 01:17:44.865
next comic.

01:17:44.905 --> 01:17:46.226
I didn't want to do sketch covers.

01:17:46.466 --> 01:17:48.048
I didn't want to take another six weeks

01:17:48.088 --> 01:17:48.850
to work on all of them.

01:17:49.329 --> 01:17:51.030
So on this, no.

01:17:51.652 --> 01:17:52.832
But I will on the next Kickstarter.

01:17:53.533 --> 01:17:54.454
I do got to ask, though,

01:17:54.555 --> 01:17:57.417
what has been the best thing you've ever

01:17:57.457 --> 01:18:00.380
gotten from a request for a sketch cover

01:18:00.500 --> 01:18:01.400
when it comes to the book?

01:18:03.489 --> 01:18:05.331
so a friend of mine that i went

01:18:05.350 --> 01:18:08.653
to college with um asked me to ask

01:18:08.672 --> 01:18:10.213
me to draw the lords of the cosmos

01:18:10.234 --> 01:18:13.036
characters at a college party that's

01:18:13.076 --> 01:18:15.356
actually kind of cool i drew them playing

01:18:15.377 --> 01:18:18.458
beer pong little animal house action yeah

01:18:18.679 --> 01:18:20.640
like it's it's it's like zemba and like

01:18:20.779 --> 01:18:23.542
the guy who's a minotaur and there's a

01:18:23.582 --> 01:18:25.082
handful of just these kind of oddball

01:18:25.103 --> 01:18:26.382
characters they're having some drinks and

01:18:26.403 --> 01:18:28.463
they're playing beer pop and what's the

01:18:28.585 --> 01:18:29.164
weirdest

01:18:33.585 --> 01:18:34.364
PG, rate it R.

01:18:34.845 --> 01:18:37.606
We won't go past rated R.

01:18:37.726 --> 01:18:38.747
I think the weirdest one,

01:18:38.768 --> 01:18:40.628
because I live near Penn State University,

01:18:41.189 --> 01:18:42.951
I had a guy that was like,

01:18:43.070 --> 01:18:44.372
I want to see the Lords of the

01:18:44.431 --> 01:18:46.953
Cosmos characters fighting at Beaver

01:18:46.993 --> 01:18:47.432
Stadium.

01:18:47.833 --> 01:18:49.555
So I drew the two gigantic characters,

01:18:49.614 --> 01:18:50.595
the dragon and the turtle,

01:18:51.115 --> 01:18:52.796
smashing the ones fighting.

01:18:52.817 --> 01:18:54.198
That's actually kind of cool.

01:18:54.238 --> 01:18:55.438
Yeah, so that was kind of weird.

01:18:55.457 --> 01:18:56.238
It's kind of a little bit of a

01:18:56.279 --> 01:18:56.859
local flair.

01:18:57.099 --> 01:18:57.760
Weird, but cool.

01:18:58.444 --> 01:18:59.304
Yeah, weird but cool.

01:18:59.765 --> 01:19:02.926
Just two Titans going at each other?

01:19:03.025 --> 01:19:04.206
Yeah.

01:19:04.225 --> 01:19:06.648
I get weird sketch requests at shows.

01:19:07.068 --> 01:19:08.648
There's one gentleman that always asks me,

01:19:08.747 --> 01:19:10.288
like I just did a sketch cover for

01:19:10.309 --> 01:19:11.789
a guy at Morgantown, West Virginia,

01:19:11.810 --> 01:19:16.811
that he asked me to draw Barbarella nude

01:19:17.431 --> 01:19:20.193
sitting in a chair holding a hamburger the

01:19:20.233 --> 01:19:21.814
size of a chair over her head.

01:19:23.865 --> 01:19:26.466
I did read that on your, yeah,

01:19:26.747 --> 01:19:27.667
that was on your Instagram.

01:19:27.688 --> 01:19:28.167
Was it not?

01:19:28.188 --> 01:19:29.189
Yeah.

01:19:29.208 --> 01:19:29.349
Yeah.

01:19:29.368 --> 01:19:30.029
No, I've seen that.

01:19:30.229 --> 01:19:30.509
Yeah.

01:19:30.970 --> 01:19:31.770
Where it's like, okay,

01:19:31.789 --> 01:19:33.270
so you want a topless woman in a

01:19:33.310 --> 01:19:34.690
chair holding a hamburger,

01:19:34.711 --> 01:19:36.351
the size of like a chair over her

01:19:36.412 --> 01:19:36.692
head.

01:19:36.752 --> 01:19:37.853
So it's like, you have this naked.

01:19:37.872 --> 01:19:38.773
It's amazing how,

01:19:38.872 --> 01:19:41.515
how many people still will from our

01:19:41.555 --> 01:19:45.636
generation that they love Barbarella still

01:19:46.077 --> 01:19:49.018
like to a point where Barbarella is still

01:19:49.097 --> 01:19:49.798
in production.

01:19:50.855 --> 01:19:52.537
She still gets runs.

01:19:52.577 --> 01:19:52.716
Well,

01:19:52.756 --> 01:19:54.037
she has a hamburger the size of a

01:19:54.097 --> 01:19:54.738
chair overhead.

01:19:54.757 --> 01:19:55.719
So, no,

01:19:55.738 --> 01:19:56.819
but I would say the Lords of the

01:19:56.838 --> 01:19:57.720
Cosmos ones,

01:19:57.779 --> 01:19:58.899
a lot of people are just like,

01:19:58.920 --> 01:19:59.940
just draw something.

01:20:01.462 --> 01:20:02.481
Draw something cool.

01:20:03.462 --> 01:20:06.043
And I usually just dick around with it.

01:20:06.123 --> 01:20:07.185
And then I just try to think of

01:20:07.265 --> 01:20:08.586
a character that I want to draw on.

01:20:10.305 --> 01:20:12.608
I just kind of do that.

01:20:12.667 --> 01:20:15.469
I just did a sketch cover just for

01:20:15.509 --> 01:20:17.810
Shits and Giggles recently on an issue two

01:20:17.869 --> 01:20:18.350
slab project.

01:20:19.475 --> 01:20:20.898
or an issue two blank cover,

01:20:21.417 --> 01:20:22.279
I just drew Bonesaw,

01:20:22.298 --> 01:20:23.180
the guy with the chainsaw,

01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:24.320
just kind of like running over it.

01:20:24.820 --> 01:20:25.320
You know what I mean?

01:20:25.341 --> 01:20:26.542
So that one, I just have it.

01:20:26.983 --> 01:20:28.703
I'll just have it at shows for someone

01:20:28.724 --> 01:20:29.385
to pick it up.

01:20:29.564 --> 01:20:32.507
So anytime I've seen Bonesaw pop up in

01:20:32.528 --> 01:20:33.247
the comic book,

01:20:33.408 --> 01:20:35.510
I go immediately to Superman and Macho

01:20:35.529 --> 01:20:36.850
Man, Randy Savage,

01:20:36.871 --> 01:20:37.992
when they're in the wrestling ring.

01:20:38.393 --> 01:20:40.975
You're going one-on-one with the Bonesaw.

01:20:42.256 --> 01:20:43.216
Yeah.

01:20:43.256 --> 01:20:43.457
Well,

01:20:43.676 --> 01:20:45.398
I always think of the Bonesaw character.

01:20:45.578 --> 01:20:47.560
I think of him a lot of the

01:20:47.779 --> 01:20:49.862
character that Doomsday that kills

01:20:49.881 --> 01:20:51.403
Superman where he doesn't speak.

01:20:51.422 --> 01:20:52.082
Yeah.

01:20:52.122 --> 01:20:52.743
Goggles.

01:20:53.163 --> 01:20:55.064
So our Bonesaw is just kind of this

01:20:55.286 --> 01:20:56.827
guy with no he doesn't speak.

01:20:56.867 --> 01:20:58.608
He just kills things and he just has

01:20:58.648 --> 01:20:59.087
a saw.

01:20:59.127 --> 01:21:00.770
And his little story in issue one,

01:21:01.229 --> 01:21:02.331
I thought was amazing.

01:21:02.371 --> 01:21:02.990
Really good one, too.

01:21:03.051 --> 01:21:04.032
I like that one a lot.

01:21:04.231 --> 01:21:06.094
He doesn't say a word, man.

01:21:06.113 --> 01:21:07.654
He's just this guy.

01:21:07.755 --> 01:21:09.536
And by the time the character who was

01:21:09.615 --> 01:21:11.518
hunting him realizes what is going on,

01:21:11.557 --> 01:21:12.118
it's too late.

01:21:12.179 --> 01:21:12.618
He's fucked.

01:21:12.719 --> 01:21:13.399
Yep.

01:21:13.420 --> 01:21:13.960
Yeah, well, that's the thing.

01:21:13.979 --> 01:21:14.579
He doesn't talk.

01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:15.220
That's so cool.

01:21:15.801 --> 01:21:16.841
And is he intelligent?

01:21:16.881 --> 01:21:18.082
He could be very intelligent.

01:21:18.103 --> 01:21:18.724
But like you said,

01:21:19.043 --> 01:21:20.545
he's kind of a Michael Myers.

01:21:20.585 --> 01:21:22.146
He's kind of a doomsday character.

01:21:22.167 --> 01:21:25.029
I'll have to send it to you.

01:21:25.488 --> 01:21:26.909
I was really happy with his little sketch

01:21:26.951 --> 01:21:27.171
cover.

01:21:29.368 --> 01:21:31.971
Let's talk about the community and the fan

01:21:32.011 --> 01:21:34.113
base and the legacy of this book.

01:21:34.493 --> 01:21:37.356
You built a very dedicated fan community.

01:21:38.286 --> 01:21:39.806
And people have backed this for years,

01:21:39.886 --> 01:21:40.407
obviously.

01:21:40.766 --> 01:21:42.148
They've cosplayed your characters.

01:21:42.268 --> 01:21:43.568
They've made custom toys.

01:21:43.587 --> 01:21:45.048
They've sent you fan art.

01:21:46.029 --> 01:21:49.190
How has this fan community shaped this

01:21:49.230 --> 01:21:49.570
series?

01:21:49.610 --> 01:21:50.391
I mean, obviously,

01:21:50.471 --> 01:21:52.993
we know that they've requested certain

01:21:53.033 --> 01:21:54.552
characters and that kind of stuff.

01:21:54.592 --> 01:21:56.354
But outside of that,

01:21:56.413 --> 01:21:59.876
how has the fans shaped this for you?

01:22:01.855 --> 01:22:06.097
um i think anyone that that makes

01:22:06.238 --> 01:22:08.939
something and i i dancers writers whatever

01:22:09.498 --> 01:22:14.561
is that i don't think any artist vacuum

01:22:14.881 --> 01:22:18.182
we do feed off of the energy that

01:22:18.243 --> 01:22:21.163
fans give you so i do think that

01:22:22.404 --> 01:22:22.545
um

01:22:24.726 --> 01:22:26.988
getting that positive feedback from people

01:22:27.130 --> 01:22:29.112
it's it's like fuel right uh it's it's

01:22:29.212 --> 01:22:33.176
it's transformers so um even an interview

01:22:33.195 --> 01:22:34.676
like this it's awesome right it's great

01:22:34.917 --> 01:22:36.279
obviously you've read the book great

01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:38.100
questions you're into it it appealed to

01:22:38.140 --> 01:22:40.582
you um it's the fuel that keeps your

01:22:40.622 --> 01:22:43.525
creative fire going because if you were

01:22:43.546 --> 01:22:45.247
just in a vacuum you could still do

01:22:45.307 --> 01:22:46.509
it but it lacks the

01:22:47.657 --> 01:22:48.037
pizazz.

01:22:48.216 --> 01:22:49.238
You enjoy the applause.

01:22:49.257 --> 01:22:51.159
You enjoy the, you enjoy people saying,

01:22:51.180 --> 01:22:52.581
dude, that was cool as shit.

01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:53.020
You know what I mean?

01:22:53.060 --> 01:22:54.481
Like I got what you're doing.

01:22:54.502 --> 01:22:55.222
Like, holy shit.

01:22:55.823 --> 01:23:00.046
Because ideally you want to make things

01:23:00.086 --> 01:23:00.806
for yourself.

01:23:01.768 --> 01:23:03.368
But when other people that, you know,

01:23:03.429 --> 01:23:05.050
are strangers or people you don't know,

01:23:05.189 --> 01:23:06.190
they're like, holy shit, dude.

01:23:06.251 --> 01:23:07.731
Like this is what I got out of

01:23:07.771 --> 01:23:09.052
your, your project.

01:23:10.073 --> 01:23:10.594
That's great.

01:23:11.054 --> 01:23:13.256
I just saw this yesterday in the news.

01:23:14.016 --> 01:23:14.136
Um,

01:23:15.086 --> 01:23:16.206
Lily Wachowski,

01:23:16.806 --> 01:23:17.846
one of the people that made the original

01:23:17.867 --> 01:23:18.466
Matrix movie,

01:23:18.487 --> 01:23:24.789
was responding to people getting a message

01:23:24.970 --> 01:23:26.671
out of the Matrix that was not

01:23:28.015 --> 01:23:28.694
her intention.

01:23:29.315 --> 01:23:31.818
So her intention that it was about, uh,

01:23:32.518 --> 01:23:33.177
transgender,

01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:35.979
like that's her stated point of what he

01:23:36.020 --> 01:23:37.020
felt the matrix was,

01:23:37.341 --> 01:23:39.502
which makes sense for her.

01:23:40.002 --> 01:23:40.443
It does.

01:23:41.003 --> 01:23:42.185
Um, but I guess now there's,

01:23:42.265 --> 01:23:44.086
and I didn't realize this, but the, the,

01:23:44.145 --> 01:23:45.506
the article I was reading was saying,

01:23:45.766 --> 01:23:47.967
they were saying like, well, you know,

01:23:48.047 --> 01:23:50.069
a lot of right-wingers have co-opted, uh,

01:23:50.090 --> 01:23:51.591
the red pill scene is like,

01:23:51.631 --> 01:23:52.731
that's a right-wing message.

01:23:52.771 --> 01:23:54.052
And she had said, well,

01:23:54.872 --> 01:23:58.243
You can't control things once they're out.

01:23:59.045 --> 01:24:00.765
right you can't you're out in the world

01:24:01.426 --> 01:24:03.287
um i said i can't do anything about

01:24:03.347 --> 01:24:04.969
it you know it's not what the intention

01:24:05.009 --> 01:24:06.970
was but i can't fight i can't fight

01:24:06.990 --> 01:24:11.134
it right yeah so ideally if you're doing

01:24:11.213 --> 01:24:13.515
something and people are getting what you

01:24:13.595 --> 01:24:16.158
wanted out of it then that's a little

01:24:16.177 --> 01:24:18.059
bit more rewarding than oh my god no

01:24:18.078 --> 01:24:19.500
you're all getting the wrong message out

01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:22.122
of this so here's the thing though people

01:24:22.162 --> 01:24:24.743
are going to take away what they want

01:24:24.783 --> 01:24:25.885
from a certain piece

01:24:26.864 --> 01:24:27.005
Yes.

01:24:27.706 --> 01:24:28.985
At the end of the day,

01:24:29.487 --> 01:24:30.926
the only thing you care about as a

01:24:30.988 --> 01:24:33.969
creator, as an artist, as a creative,

01:24:34.429 --> 01:24:34.890
in general,

01:24:34.909 --> 01:24:36.390
is that somebody took something away from

01:24:36.470 --> 01:24:36.570
it.

01:24:37.030 --> 01:24:38.431
It may not be what you were wanting

01:24:38.452 --> 01:24:41.052
to convey a hundred percent,

01:24:41.393 --> 01:24:42.333
but at the end of the day,

01:24:42.354 --> 01:24:43.875
they still took something away from it.

01:24:43.895 --> 01:24:47.516
They still had some type of emotion with

01:24:47.596 --> 01:24:47.697
it.

01:24:48.394 --> 01:24:50.216
I feel blessed that most of the people

01:24:50.235 --> 01:24:51.596
that have talked to me about the books

01:24:51.716 --> 01:24:54.139
got out of it what I want.

01:24:54.158 --> 01:24:54.319
Like,

01:24:54.359 --> 01:24:55.921
they got out of it what I wanted

01:24:55.940 --> 01:24:56.801
them to get out of it.

01:24:56.841 --> 01:24:58.703
So especially reading that article the

01:24:58.722 --> 01:25:00.203
other day about The Matrix, I was like,

01:25:00.704 --> 01:25:01.005
okay.

01:25:01.244 --> 01:25:02.126
Well, I mean, check it out.

01:25:02.426 --> 01:25:04.287
Like, when you read the Zimba story,

01:25:04.467 --> 01:25:06.109
you were focused more on the murder of

01:25:06.130 --> 01:25:06.590
the friends.

01:25:06.810 --> 01:25:09.029
Whereas I viewed that more secondary thing

01:25:09.050 --> 01:25:10.030
and more of like, no,

01:25:10.051 --> 01:25:11.511
she's going for a power play.

01:25:11.810 --> 01:25:12.091
She's,

01:25:12.310 --> 01:25:13.911
she's less concerned about her friend.

01:25:13.930 --> 01:25:15.771
She still doesn't like that, but right.

01:25:15.792 --> 01:25:16.931
So I viewed that a little differently,

01:25:17.152 --> 01:25:17.851
but that's cool.

01:25:18.192 --> 01:25:18.891
Like you got to look,

01:25:18.912 --> 01:25:20.072
you got a little bit of a different

01:25:20.112 --> 01:25:20.412
flavor.

01:25:20.431 --> 01:25:22.353
You get it more as a personal payback.

01:25:22.372 --> 01:25:23.552
Whereas I viewed that as more of a

01:25:23.632 --> 01:25:24.332
secondary goal.

01:25:24.592 --> 01:25:25.512
That's cool.

01:25:25.653 --> 01:25:29.033
It wasn't until they were at the,

01:25:29.453 --> 01:25:30.194
the meeting with a,

01:25:30.253 --> 01:25:32.774
you met that like when,

01:25:33.154 --> 01:25:35.034
like her attitude and everything,

01:25:35.074 --> 01:25:35.635
I'm like, okay,

01:25:36.363 --> 01:25:36.944
Well,

01:25:37.543 --> 01:25:39.926
she's got some animosity here as well.

01:25:41.506 --> 01:25:43.069
I think she's upset about her friend,

01:25:43.109 --> 01:25:44.649
but I think that friend dying is just

01:25:44.729 --> 01:25:48.153
a secondary thing because there's some

01:25:48.233 --> 01:25:49.173
animosities here.

01:25:49.354 --> 01:25:51.775
And it is the whole time.

01:25:51.815 --> 01:25:53.577
I'm thinking there's another story within

01:25:53.618 --> 01:25:55.439
this story that isn't being talked about

01:25:55.498 --> 01:25:55.738
yet.

01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:57.461
And when it does get talked about,

01:25:57.501 --> 01:25:59.162
it's going to be fucking amazing.

01:26:00.162 --> 01:26:00.743
Well, they're all there.

01:26:00.762 --> 01:26:02.305
You gave it to us just a little

01:26:02.345 --> 01:26:03.485
bit at the end of five.

01:26:03.984 --> 01:26:05.787
they're all really bad people and

01:26:05.846 --> 01:26:07.148
creatures because they're not all people

01:26:07.707 --> 01:26:09.869
and they're awful and like what would

01:26:09.930 --> 01:26:11.631
happen when you put really awful people

01:26:11.652 --> 01:26:13.573
together they don't they don't like the

01:26:13.613 --> 01:26:16.195
good guys they don't like each other like

01:26:16.216 --> 01:26:17.657
it's like no like maybe oh yeah you

01:26:17.676 --> 01:26:19.279
get that whole vibe from everybody then

01:26:19.578 --> 01:26:21.980
everybody is just there because this one

01:26:22.001 --> 01:26:23.962
guy is the batter of the bad guys

01:26:24.783 --> 01:26:26.164
but if enough of the batter of the

01:26:26.185 --> 01:26:28.487
bad guys team together that guy ain't so

01:26:28.506 --> 01:26:29.167
bad no more

01:26:29.752 --> 01:26:30.132
That's right.

01:26:30.453 --> 01:26:31.573
But maybe he can take them all out.

01:26:31.954 --> 01:26:32.774
But back to the fans.

01:26:32.814 --> 01:26:33.916
No, like I said, to me,

01:26:34.036 --> 01:26:35.237
fans are like energy.

01:26:36.118 --> 01:26:37.158
They can boost us up.

01:26:38.479 --> 01:26:39.600
It's a two way street.

01:26:39.659 --> 01:26:41.421
So one of the things that I've become

01:26:41.480 --> 01:26:43.563
more and more aware of is I've done

01:26:43.622 --> 01:26:46.185
more and more stuff is that, you know,

01:26:46.284 --> 01:26:47.886
if you if you have a platform,

01:26:47.945 --> 01:26:49.587
even a little platform, you know,

01:26:49.606 --> 01:26:50.568
when you say things,

01:26:50.908 --> 01:26:51.969
it's important to think about what you

01:26:51.988 --> 01:26:53.050
say, because it does affect people.

01:26:53.770 --> 01:26:53.951
Um,

01:26:54.011 --> 01:26:55.932
so I try to become very conscious about,

01:26:56.434 --> 01:26:56.613
you know,

01:26:56.634 --> 01:26:58.076
when I speak to people and to try

01:26:58.095 --> 01:26:59.256
to be, you know,

01:26:59.296 --> 01:27:01.038
positive and thoughtful with what I say,

01:27:01.460 --> 01:27:02.501
but it's also a two way street.

01:27:03.702 --> 01:27:04.904
So for a fan just to be like,

01:27:04.923 --> 01:27:05.083
Hey man,

01:27:05.104 --> 01:27:05.944
I really appreciate what you're doing.

01:27:06.586 --> 01:27:06.645
Um,

01:27:07.386 --> 01:27:09.087
that means an incredible amount.

01:27:09.367 --> 01:27:10.306
I mean, not only to myself,

01:27:10.327 --> 01:27:11.068
but any creator.

01:27:11.528 --> 01:27:13.029
So I would always say, you know,

01:27:13.048 --> 01:27:14.168
if you have a creator that you like

01:27:14.309 --> 01:27:14.949
and you're a fan,

01:27:15.289 --> 01:27:16.310
it never hurts to send them a little

01:27:16.329 --> 01:27:17.230
note and just be, Hey man,

01:27:18.650 --> 01:27:19.992
I just want to let you know what

01:27:20.011 --> 01:27:20.811
you're doing is great.

01:27:21.653 --> 01:27:22.912
I really, I really enjoy it.

01:27:23.493 --> 01:27:24.953
You know, whether you, even if you can't,

01:27:25.494 --> 01:27:25.814
if you're like,

01:27:25.895 --> 01:27:27.416
I can't even afford to buy anything right

01:27:27.435 --> 01:27:29.496
now, just even the words like that,

01:27:29.596 --> 01:27:30.537
it's all very important.

01:27:30.617 --> 01:27:32.337
So to me, you know,

01:27:32.537 --> 01:27:33.738
I love Lords of the Cosmos cause I

01:27:33.759 --> 01:27:35.338
like to read it myself and it's something

01:27:35.439 --> 01:27:36.239
that speaks to me.

01:27:37.443 --> 01:27:38.783
I've been blessed that there's been enough

01:27:38.804 --> 01:27:40.123
people to really kind of help take it

01:27:40.144 --> 01:27:41.505
to the next level with the financial

01:27:41.545 --> 01:27:44.666
support and the interest,

01:27:44.725 --> 01:27:46.805
the fandom and everything else.

01:27:46.846 --> 01:27:48.287
So like I said, to me,

01:27:49.087 --> 01:27:51.148
I could do it in a vacuum,

01:27:51.787 --> 01:27:54.349
but it wouldn't be anywhere near as fun

01:27:54.569 --> 01:27:56.970
just by myself.

01:27:57.210 --> 01:27:58.070
Oh, yeah.

01:27:58.150 --> 01:28:00.551
So before I let you get out of

01:28:00.572 --> 01:28:01.332
here.

01:28:01.372 --> 01:28:01.551
Yeah.

01:28:02.668 --> 01:28:03.048
Um,

01:28:03.069 --> 01:28:04.710
let's the council know where they can

01:28:04.770 --> 01:28:07.271
follow you and where they can stay into

01:28:07.351 --> 01:28:10.273
Lord of the cosmos.

01:28:10.313 --> 01:28:13.375
So, um, you can follow me on Facebook.

01:28:13.414 --> 01:28:15.636
My art page is Jason Lennox illustrator.

01:28:15.695 --> 01:28:16.636
So if you search for that on,

01:28:16.697 --> 01:28:18.717
it's like facebook.com slash Jason likes

01:28:18.738 --> 01:28:19.278
illustrator.

01:28:19.859 --> 01:28:21.600
Um, so there's that, um,

01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:25.542
I'm on Instagram and Twitter as at Lennox

01:28:25.641 --> 01:28:26.601
artist and on blue sky.

01:28:26.681 --> 01:28:26.782
Right.

01:28:26.802 --> 01:28:28.443
I don't want to forget blue sky.

01:28:29.203 --> 01:28:31.204
Uh, also at Lennox artist, uh,

01:28:31.882 --> 01:28:34.225
I have an Etsy store, which is Lenox,

01:28:34.426 --> 01:28:36.087
L-E-N-O-X, Art Emporium.

01:28:36.347 --> 01:28:37.189
You can look me up there.

01:28:38.149 --> 01:28:39.912
And if you want to check out the

01:28:39.952 --> 01:28:40.573
Indiegogo,

01:28:41.173 --> 01:28:42.635
I do have it pinned on all my

01:28:42.694 --> 01:28:43.657
social media pages.

01:28:43.676 --> 01:28:44.778
I do as well.

01:28:44.877 --> 01:28:46.319
Anywhere where I've tagged you,

01:28:46.399 --> 01:28:47.541
I have that tagged as well.

01:28:47.820 --> 01:28:48.922
Appreciate it.

01:28:48.943 --> 01:28:50.043
But it's just, you know,

01:28:50.064 --> 01:28:51.865
Lords of the Cosmos, five on Indiegogo.

01:28:53.496 --> 01:28:56.699
and you know whether if you if you

01:28:56.720 --> 01:28:58.721
need help finding it just find me at

01:28:58.761 --> 01:29:00.403
lennox artist and just shoot me a message

01:29:00.443 --> 01:29:02.485
or comment uh or ask the chairman he'll

01:29:02.525 --> 01:29:04.587
direct you he's been great absolutely i

01:29:05.127 --> 01:29:06.989
i'm i'm pretty good at tagging things and

01:29:07.010 --> 01:29:09.733
keeping um that kind of stuff up to

01:29:09.752 --> 01:29:11.675
date on any of the posts where i'm

01:29:11.895 --> 01:29:15.038
where i'm talking about art today actually

01:29:15.759 --> 01:29:16.760
I do appreciate it.

01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:19.261
I really tried to get the message out

01:29:19.301 --> 01:29:19.680
today.

01:29:20.400 --> 01:29:20.841
Obviously,

01:29:20.900 --> 01:29:22.521
they can catch a replay of this later

01:29:22.542 --> 01:29:24.483
if they're not catching it live.

01:29:25.363 --> 01:29:27.543
Not tomorrow, but Tuesday,

01:29:27.923 --> 01:29:29.064
it will go live again.

01:29:29.505 --> 01:29:30.965
It will go out to all podcasts and

01:29:30.984 --> 01:29:32.185
platforms.

01:29:32.305 --> 01:29:34.207
Even in the description of the podcast

01:29:34.247 --> 01:29:35.567
platform, whatever it is,

01:29:35.606 --> 01:29:36.207
whether it's Apple,

01:29:36.247 --> 01:29:37.387
if you hit the description,

01:29:37.847 --> 01:29:39.168
it's going to have all your links in

01:29:39.189 --> 01:29:39.328
there.

01:29:39.349 --> 01:29:40.628
It's going to have all that in there.

01:29:41.869 --> 01:29:43.211
That's the one thing I try to do

01:29:43.270 --> 01:29:43.930
good is...

01:29:45.042 --> 01:29:46.644
tagging everything the proper way and

01:29:46.663 --> 01:29:48.043
making sure people know where to follow

01:29:48.083 --> 01:29:49.585
you and if they want to contact you,

01:29:49.664 --> 01:29:50.826
all that information is in there.

01:29:53.527 --> 01:29:54.306
But Jason,

01:29:54.587 --> 01:29:55.747
I want to thank you for taking the

01:29:55.787 --> 01:29:58.088
time to dive into the world of Aiden

01:29:58.128 --> 01:29:58.850
with us tonight.

01:30:00.050 --> 01:30:02.530
It's a place where gods bleed,

01:30:02.831 --> 01:30:03.832
machines rebel,

01:30:04.431 --> 01:30:06.893
and cartoon logic drives taints into war

01:30:06.953 --> 01:30:09.574
against mutant cyborg nightmares.

01:30:10.836 --> 01:30:12.077
Which is dope as hell.

01:30:12.197 --> 01:30:14.139
Y'all go check out this book, please.

01:30:14.719 --> 01:30:16.801
But council members, support the campaign.

01:30:17.041 --> 01:30:18.301
Support indie creators.

01:30:18.341 --> 01:30:20.023
Support the chaos.

01:30:20.663 --> 01:30:22.564
Indiegogo links are in the description.

01:30:23.045 --> 01:30:25.226
Go arm yourselves and prepare for battle.

01:30:26.328 --> 01:30:28.448
Jason, welcome to the Council of Nerds,

01:30:28.488 --> 01:30:29.010
my friend.

01:30:29.510 --> 01:30:30.251
Yourself.

01:30:31.391 --> 01:30:35.734
Lords of the Cosmos are officially USDN

01:30:35.814 --> 01:30:36.515
approved.

01:30:37.529 --> 01:30:38.069
And with that,

01:30:38.529 --> 01:30:40.871
this has been the USDN Podcast,

01:30:40.890 --> 01:30:43.613
where indie comics come to life,

01:30:44.233 --> 01:30:47.135
and the Council of Nerds are adjourned.