1 00:00:01,130 --> 00:00:02,378 Alright. 2 00:00:03,082 --> 00:00:03,932 All right. 3 00:00:03,932 --> 00:00:10,579 And as we would say, and people are going to be hearing from us, uh Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. 4 00:00:10,579 --> 00:00:13,892 ah I'm Hari Nam Singh Khalsa. 5 00:00:13,892 --> 00:00:17,025 I'm with Gurupi Hari Singh. 6 00:00:17,186 --> 00:00:18,967 And how you doing today? 7 00:00:18,967 --> 00:00:20,308 How you doing, buddy? 8 00:00:20,487 --> 00:00:22,671 I'm doing pretty good, good. 9 00:00:22,671 --> 00:00:31,237 had a nice nap earlier and I ate a very big lunch so I would say that this is pretty good day. 10 00:00:31,237 --> 00:00:32,659 What about you, sir? 11 00:00:33,666 --> 00:00:35,156 Well, you know what? 12 00:00:36,237 --> 00:00:38,158 You're in Argentina. 13 00:00:38,158 --> 00:00:39,278 I'm in Mexico. 14 00:00:39,278 --> 00:00:41,119 You're four hours ahead of me. 15 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:44,940 So I um haven't even had my morning cappuccino yet. 16 00:00:47,061 --> 00:00:47,841 that's that. 17 00:00:47,841 --> 00:01:02,807 ah But it's already a good day for me because uh this is uh actually, for anybody watching this, this is actually our first contemporary episode. 18 00:01:02,807 --> 00:01:14,547 of this video podcast or audio podcast, depending on the how the audience is digesting it of a Warrior Saint. 19 00:01:15,587 --> 00:01:24,087 And so this is, I'll even say this December the 16th, 2025. 20 00:01:24,087 --> 00:01:31,267 So this is a auspicious day for the two of us and our audio. 21 00:01:31,797 --> 00:01:41,416 You know, I think I'm sorry to interrupt you there, sir, but I think that it would be interesting to know for our audience who is watching or listening. 22 00:01:41,416 --> 00:01:47,432 ah Why is it that this podcast is called a warrior saint? 23 00:01:47,432 --> 00:01:49,283 Why that title exactly? 24 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,797 Yeah, well, um... 25 00:01:55,738 --> 00:02:13,193 Well, first of all, uh let me give you a little history on that because I think that'll give it some context and then we can talk about it because I think this is very big topic 26 00:02:13,193 --> 00:02:22,880 itself, why this podcast is called Warrior Saint and people may have assumptions of what that means but let's set it straight for the record, right? 27 00:02:23,621 --> 00:02:24,982 By the way, I think... 28 00:02:25,013 --> 00:02:29,598 I think there's some wind I'm hearing, but I don't know whether that's from me or from you. 29 00:02:30,580 --> 00:02:33,515 not catching anything on the Oreo on my side. 30 00:02:33,515 --> 00:02:33,625 what? 31 00:02:33,625 --> 00:02:35,387 think that, and I'll cut this out. 32 00:02:35,387 --> 00:02:36,137 This is an example. 33 00:02:36,137 --> 00:02:42,062 I'll just cut these couple of sentences out, but I'm hearing something, but it may be my AirPods. 34 00:02:42,062 --> 00:02:43,443 That's possible. 35 00:02:44,684 --> 00:02:45,565 Okay. 36 00:02:45,705 --> 00:02:46,185 All right. 37 00:02:46,185 --> 00:02:47,156 We back. 38 00:02:48,050 --> 00:02:49,399 All right, yeah, yeah, 39 00:02:49,622 --> 00:02:51,382 Okay, we're good. 40 00:02:51,922 --> 00:02:55,202 I'm gonna wait till you come back. 41 00:02:55,202 --> 00:02:57,882 I'll just cut that out. 42 00:02:59,322 --> 00:03:00,582 Okay, great. 43 00:03:00,742 --> 00:03:11,122 So actually the history of this goes back to I believe 2012. 44 00:03:11,502 --> 00:03:16,702 So 13 years ago I was living in New York City. 45 00:03:18,470 --> 00:03:24,050 and I had been on, I was invited as a guest on a radio show. 46 00:03:25,846 --> 00:03:34,793 I think talking about yoga, meditation, life, I don't recall exactly, but those kind of things, philosophy. 47 00:03:35,454 --> 00:03:38,837 And it was on some national network. 48 00:03:38,837 --> 00:03:43,621 And the woman, and I believe her name was Fanny Cohen. 49 00:03:43,801 --> 00:03:52,028 I never met her before, but she was kind of interested in some of the things I think I said in the interview. 50 00:03:52,028 --> 00:03:54,670 And she was kind of... 51 00:03:55,638 --> 00:04:05,478 I guess in the pioneering movement of what we know now as podcasts when that just was coming into being and she must have been about 30 at the time. 52 00:04:05,478 --> 00:04:19,498 So she was a young person, I think who had an interest and an affinity towards not only the technology, but kind of putting different kinds of material out in the public sphere 53 00:04:19,498 --> 00:04:22,758 that had just been on the major networks or whatever. 54 00:04:22,758 --> 00:04:25,322 So she was, think, kind of pioneering in this. 55 00:04:25,322 --> 00:04:35,429 She invited me over to her studio and she asked me um if I was interested, that she would be interviewing me. 56 00:04:35,547 --> 00:04:36,364 Right. 57 00:04:37,410 --> 00:04:47,637 And she asked me what I wanted the name of the podcast to be. 58 00:04:47,997 --> 00:04:53,740 And I said, well, the first thing that came to my mind was Warrior Saint. 59 00:04:54,262 --> 00:05:02,927 And the reason I said Warrior Saint is that, I mean, as you can see from my appearance, I have a little bit different appearance. 60 00:05:02,927 --> 00:05:05,869 um 61 00:05:06,217 --> 00:05:17,843 I'm not only a member of the Sikh religion, which you could see from my beard and my turban, but those in the know also can see from my appearance that uh I'm something known 62 00:05:17,843 --> 00:05:19,224 as an Amrit Dari Sikh. 63 00:05:19,224 --> 00:05:29,249 So I'm uh very loyal to a particular uh clear view of that tradition. 64 00:05:29,249 --> 00:05:36,157 And uh the thing that is personally the center of my life is uh 65 00:05:36,157 --> 00:05:54,052 an ideal called the Khalsa that was developed by a brilliant and saintly uh man called Guru Gobind Singh who lived 300 years ago, who was the 10th in the lineage of the Sikh 66 00:05:54,052 --> 00:05:54,637 Gurus. 67 00:05:54,637 --> 00:05:58,415 we'll talk about that obviously in more detail at another time. 68 00:05:58,415 --> 00:06:00,696 It's too interesting. 69 00:06:00,797 --> 00:06:04,691 But let's just say that uh 70 00:06:04,691 --> 00:06:13,205 I consider myself a disciple of this great saint who lived uh centuries ago. 71 00:06:13,626 --> 00:06:25,902 And I really came to feel that his worldview, his recipe for person attaining liberation this lifetime really resonated with me. 72 00:06:25,902 --> 00:06:32,165 this was many, many decades ago and I devoted my life to that. 73 00:06:32,165 --> 00:06:34,636 And there's kind of a... 74 00:06:35,057 --> 00:06:47,763 a prototype of somebody who identifies themselves as a Khalsa and aspires to live the ideal, prototypical life of a Khalsa. 75 00:06:48,004 --> 00:06:58,829 And that has always been described in English, obviously they use another word, another culture, but it really means warrior saint. 76 00:06:59,150 --> 00:07:03,992 Some people say saint warrior, but I usually hear it as warrior saint and 77 00:07:04,018 --> 00:07:13,770 What that prototype is in the end is the kind of person that somebody in this path would aspire to be. 78 00:07:13,770 --> 00:07:33,095 And that is ah both a warrior, somebody who is fearless in every way, who basically uh lives their life intentionally with the highest character and um lives a life of service 79 00:07:33,095 --> 00:07:33,935 and 80 00:07:34,427 --> 00:07:38,349 just basically a very noble person. 81 00:07:38,349 --> 00:07:52,995 again, we'll talk about this in future podcasts, but basically the warrior side of it is a person who lives without fear and who lives a virtuous life and a noble life, and that's 82 00:07:52,995 --> 00:07:53,695 their intention. 83 00:07:53,695 --> 00:07:54,965 That's the warrior side. 84 00:07:54,965 --> 00:08:01,668 And then it's not, but it's not just a strong, fearless person who's got very high character. 85 00:08:01,971 --> 00:08:04,733 There's the other side of it, which is the saint. 86 00:08:04,733 --> 00:08:14,722 And that is the person who is loving, comes from their heart, is uh sweet, tries to treat everybody with love and respect. 87 00:08:14,802 --> 00:08:20,567 And it represents kind of like the sweetness of this. 88 00:08:20,567 --> 00:08:29,859 So somebody who aspires to live in the way that Guru Gobind Singh has directed them to live, to live the... 89 00:08:29,859 --> 00:08:33,922 ideal human life and to achieve life's purpose. 90 00:08:33,922 --> 00:08:50,164 ah That prototype for a man or for a woman, it's the lived life of a warrior saint, a strong, fearless, high character person who at the same time is absolutely loving of all 91 00:08:50,164 --> 00:08:53,216 humanity considers everybody their brother and sister. 92 00:08:53,216 --> 00:08:55,237 So that's the prototype. 93 00:08:55,237 --> 00:08:56,728 that's always been. 94 00:08:56,863 --> 00:09:10,534 That's always been central to this whole cults ideal is this prototype that we strive to live towards, which is been most often described as the warrior saint. 95 00:09:10,534 --> 00:09:16,649 so in other words, so that is why, and that's the driving force in my own life. 96 00:09:16,649 --> 00:09:25,466 And that's why I asked that the podcast that I did with Fanny back 12 years ago would be called 97 00:09:25,820 --> 00:09:27,172 what you're saying. 98 00:09:27,936 --> 00:09:33,290 And, and so in the end, uh 99 00:09:35,225 --> 00:09:48,823 I was hoping that any conversation she had with me would be an opportunity directly or indirectly to kind of represent the kind of person who aspires to be that kind of person. 100 00:09:48,823 --> 00:09:50,663 Hopefully that makes sense. 101 00:09:50,884 --> 00:09:51,995 Yeah. 102 00:09:51,995 --> 00:09:58,788 And you're learning a little about me too because we've known each other a long time, but I haven't talked a lot about those things with you. 103 00:09:58,788 --> 00:09:59,749 I don't think. 104 00:09:59,749 --> 00:10:01,930 Some of the background in this. 105 00:10:02,143 --> 00:10:15,391 So, you know, I would like to say here, because as you say, I am somewhat familiar with these concepts, but, you know, for the sake of drawing some comparisons that might be 106 00:10:15,391 --> 00:10:27,819 useful to our audience, would you say that there is a parallel between the Sikh warrior saint philosophy 107 00:10:27,857 --> 00:10:46,634 and something like say the Bushido code from like samurai Japan like we're talking about this mix of like as you say not just preparation for life's hardships but also there is an 108 00:10:46,634 --> 00:10:50,685 implied code of conduct to it as well. 109 00:10:50,734 --> 00:10:52,314 yes, absolutely. 110 00:10:52,314 --> 00:10:53,174 absolutely. 111 00:10:53,174 --> 00:11:05,534 And I think that, you know, as you say, the the cults have often been described as the the. 112 00:11:07,369 --> 00:11:11,312 What was that group in Japan that I think the... 113 00:11:11,913 --> 00:11:15,556 Wait, what is the uh samurai? 114 00:11:15,556 --> 00:11:16,517 The samurai. 115 00:11:16,517 --> 00:11:17,658 Right, right. 116 00:11:17,658 --> 00:11:23,081 So the Khalsa have often been described as the samurai of India. 117 00:11:23,461 --> 00:11:26,625 So I think what you're saying is true. 118 00:11:26,625 --> 00:11:33,360 But you see these things actually in world, in a lot of things that have popped up around the world. 119 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,752 I am familiar with... 120 00:11:36,752 --> 00:11:41,603 the whole idea of Excalibur and the Anglo-Saxon culture. 121 00:11:42,163 --> 00:11:53,586 so these attempts at living at a certain ideal have, I think, been universal and expressed in different ways. 122 00:11:53,826 --> 00:12:01,368 I think that the way that Guru Gobind Singh did this was especially effective and it sure had an effect on me. 123 00:12:01,368 --> 00:12:05,619 But yeah, that's for people who are new to all of this. 124 00:12:05,619 --> 00:12:06,529 Yeah. 125 00:12:06,587 --> 00:12:12,328 think that's a way of you're probably more familiar with the samurai than you are with the Khalsa. 126 00:12:12,328 --> 00:12:28,482 But very, yes, but very similar, basically skilled in martial arts as the Khalsa is, ah following a very clear code of conduct, noble conduct, that's also very true. 127 00:12:29,202 --> 00:12:36,059 And also at the same time, ah especially with the Khalsa, uh 128 00:12:36,059 --> 00:12:42,211 coming from the heart and uh coming from a place of loving kindness. 129 00:12:42,211 --> 00:12:43,712 that's a very important piece of it. 130 00:12:43,712 --> 00:12:44,121 That's it. 131 00:12:44,121 --> 00:12:47,133 So it's not just warrior. 132 00:12:47,133 --> 00:12:48,444 It's not just the saint. 133 00:12:48,444 --> 00:12:50,414 It's the saint warrior. 134 00:12:50,815 --> 00:13:06,200 And so that's the that's the that's the concept and that and and that's the reason that I initially got involved with this uh podcast 12 years ago and then kind of 135 00:13:07,825 --> 00:13:20,005 And then it kind of, and we go back to that in a few minutes, but it kind of lay dormant for about probably 12 or 13 years. 136 00:13:20,005 --> 00:13:26,325 And then this year I had the idea, let's revive that podcast because I was listening to it. 137 00:13:26,325 --> 00:13:28,165 I'm like, hey, this is pretty darn good. 138 00:13:28,165 --> 00:13:32,845 think now it's even more relevant now than it was 12 or 13 years ago. 139 00:13:33,269 --> 00:13:37,311 Now's a good time, so let's rebirth it, right? 140 00:13:37,359 --> 00:13:38,389 There you go. 141 00:13:38,389 --> 00:13:44,666 Yeah, I would say like right now we are living in the era of podcasting. 142 00:13:44,666 --> 00:13:47,108 So we're right on time here. 143 00:13:47,108 --> 00:14:00,599 And another thing that I would like to ask you related to this, which I think would be very much of interest to your audience is because of course you speak of the Sikh path and 144 00:14:00,599 --> 00:14:02,601 its ideals and its goals. 145 00:14:02,601 --> 00:14:03,792 uh 146 00:14:03,792 --> 00:14:19,385 But I think a lot of people will be very interested in hearing how you came upon this path in particular, like how did you happen to get to a point where you thought, okay, this 147 00:14:19,385 --> 00:14:32,675 there is this uh Indian born philosophy that I feel particularly identified with or attracted towards like how did that happen? 148 00:14:34,250 --> 00:14:53,857 Wow, well, without like dodging that question, I would say that this is something that I think the two of us are going to have a lot to share in the coming uh weeks and months and 149 00:14:53,857 --> 00:15:00,710 years to really dive deep in that because that's something that's hard to say in five minutes. 150 00:15:00,710 --> 00:15:03,871 will say this though, for purposes of today's 151 00:15:03,952 --> 00:15:20,492 Broadcast introductory broadcast is that I was first introduced to that I'm 73 now and I was first introduced to this when I was 23 or I say 29 20 I'd say I was first introduced 152 00:15:20,492 --> 00:15:33,447 this I'm sorry when I was 25 and I made it I started on my life of commitment to this when I was 27 153 00:15:34,862 --> 00:15:41,335 Okay, so that was like 50, more or less 50 years ago. 154 00:15:42,016 --> 00:15:50,441 And so that I will say for purposes of this broadcast is that I wasn't born into this. 155 00:15:51,462 --> 00:16:01,527 And in fact, back then, and we can talk more about it in the future, I was, I think I was a hippie back then. 156 00:16:02,121 --> 00:16:06,418 and I was living in a very different time in the United States. 157 00:16:08,271 --> 00:16:14,511 And a lot of stuff was going on then that caused me to come into contact with this. 158 00:16:14,511 --> 00:16:26,531 But at the end of the day, I first came into contact with this, something I had never actually had any idea existed when I was 25. 159 00:16:27,371 --> 00:16:31,251 And many of these new ideas completely blew my mind. 160 00:16:31,451 --> 00:16:38,326 And it took me many years to really integrate all of this to really understand it. 161 00:16:38,326 --> 00:16:39,778 many, many years. 162 00:16:41,683 --> 00:16:52,090 And going kind of back to the podcast by the time it's 12 years ago, okay, I'm around this almost 35, 40 years at that point. 163 00:16:52,090 --> 00:17:07,530 So I had already had, uh you know, interjected this into my life and uh somebody heard me talk about it and was interested enough that they wanted to host me on a podcast 12 years 164 00:17:07,530 --> 00:17:08,340 ago. 165 00:17:09,221 --> 00:17:10,652 And, and 166 00:17:10,798 --> 00:17:11,318 Here we are. 167 00:17:11,318 --> 00:17:14,018 But no, I'm not dodging your question, obviously. 168 00:17:14,678 --> 00:17:17,678 That's a dive deep conversation. 169 00:17:19,818 --> 00:17:26,798 But it happened almost 50 years ago that I was introduced to this. 170 00:17:27,060 --> 00:17:45,128 And as you say, it was not an overnight sort of thing, it was like an actual process where you sort of, we can say you progressively came to understand the thing better with time 171 00:17:45,468 --> 00:17:50,910 after having already dived into it, does that make sense? 172 00:17:51,646 --> 00:17:54,967 Yeah, after or thinking that I was diving into it. 173 00:17:55,287 --> 00:18:02,749 mean, I you know, you know, because, and again, we can even talk about your life and further sessions. 174 00:18:02,749 --> 00:18:06,530 But a lot of times we, we think we know what we're doing. 175 00:18:06,530 --> 00:18:11,991 But then we're doing and we realize we really only understand a portion of it. 176 00:18:11,991 --> 00:18:14,652 And then we have to digest it. 177 00:18:14,652 --> 00:18:21,083 Like, like, okay, I like even being married or anything, you know, you make a big decision in your life. 178 00:18:21,671 --> 00:18:29,650 and you're very passionate about that in the moment, but then it's like, my God, what did I just do here? 179 00:18:30,059 --> 00:18:33,364 All of the implications come into play, yeah, yeah. 180 00:18:33,702 --> 00:18:43,885 Yeah, yeah, so then you have to kind of digest what you did and then you realize that, my God, I'm just like an absolute beginner in this and I don't even know what I'm doing here. 181 00:18:44,505 --> 00:18:49,566 But that's, you know, it's part of any big decision in life. 182 00:18:49,566 --> 00:19:00,189 So yeah, so I made a big decision and yes, you're right, think it took, in fact, I'd say it took me decades to sort out that decision. 183 00:19:00,821 --> 00:19:14,396 And even at 73 years old, I continue to be surprised on how many dimensions of it exist that I didn't even know existed yesterday. 184 00:19:14,396 --> 00:19:21,129 So uh it's a never-ending oh learning experience, that's for sure. 185 00:19:23,354 --> 00:19:26,733 You know, this leads me to another point here, which is... 186 00:19:26,733 --> 00:19:28,018 uh 187 00:19:29,518 --> 00:19:44,822 because of course this is just to give us like kind of a practical viewpoint regarding you know the seek lifestyle and things like that but what were for example some immediate 188 00:19:44,942 --> 00:19:56,685 changes in your lifestyle or behavior that you had to implement as a result of going like okay I am going to be a Sikh now what does this imply 189 00:19:56,749 --> 00:20:01,095 wow, well you know group PR, I'm gonna dodge that too. 190 00:20:02,178 --> 00:20:04,491 I'm gonna dodge that too because... 191 00:20:06,177 --> 00:20:09,944 But like what you're doing by asking these questions. 192 00:20:11,870 --> 00:20:17,223 is just, and I hope anybody listening to this can understand this, is an example. 193 00:20:18,848 --> 00:20:27,883 that people don't even know what they're getting into sometimes, even asking these questions, because where do you even start? 194 00:20:27,883 --> 00:20:32,096 These things are like so deep. 195 00:20:32,096 --> 00:20:34,976 like, what are the changes in my life and what I mean? 196 00:20:34,976 --> 00:20:47,204 Whoa, mean, I mean, we're gonna have podcasts that last for an hour that I'll probably talk about just like, one thing, one change. 197 00:20:47,837 --> 00:20:49,497 was, okay? 198 00:20:49,497 --> 00:20:58,880 But I think, again, this is uh our first maiden voyage, so to speak. 199 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:09,963 And I think what I do like is you're asking me about why is this entitled, Where You're Saint, and what does Where You're Saint mean? 200 00:21:09,963 --> 00:21:12,824 think that, uh okay. 201 00:21:12,824 --> 00:21:15,204 And also, uh 202 00:21:16,990 --> 00:21:20,701 what we're trying to accomplish here, what I'm trying to accomplish here. 203 00:21:20,701 --> 00:21:21,221 Okay. 204 00:21:21,221 --> 00:21:27,203 And, and how is that tied into the name and, and the format of what we're doing? 205 00:21:27,503 --> 00:21:46,967 Because I think in future, um, podcasts, uh, we're going to explore all these things in extreme depth, uh, without necessarily lecturing anybody or telling anybody trying to 206 00:21:46,967 --> 00:21:48,859 persuade anybody about anything. 207 00:21:48,859 --> 00:22:05,799 ah We're just gonna open up just a dialogue that naturally we will be talking about all these things because of how they affect our day-to-day life and the day-to-day life of our 208 00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:06,900 listeners. 209 00:22:07,905 --> 00:22:09,856 Right, right, right, right. 210 00:22:09,856 --> 00:22:11,496 I can understand that. 211 00:22:11,556 --> 00:22:19,798 Well, that being the case then, I am going to go in a pivot in a slightly different direction here. 212 00:22:20,158 --> 00:22:26,500 And I'm going to go back to the warrior saint thing, because I think there is a lot of depth to be found there. 213 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:37,777 uh I'm very intrigued by the term warrior saint, because it implies a kind of balance just from here. 214 00:22:37,777 --> 00:22:39,147 Why do I say this? 215 00:22:39,147 --> 00:22:42,068 Because you have the warrior on one hand. 216 00:22:42,068 --> 00:22:50,850 First thing that comes to mind when you hear the word warrior is strength, courage, resilience, know, steel, that sort of thing. 217 00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:52,911 Then you have shame. 218 00:22:53,051 --> 00:23:06,194 And then you associate that more with things like compassion, spiritual insight, love for the people around you, know, doing things from the heart, as you say. 219 00:23:06,386 --> 00:23:12,669 So there is a kind of like self-balancing act in the idea of the warrior saint. 220 00:23:12,669 --> 00:23:23,533 Like you have someone whose strength is tempered by compassion and whose compassion is sustained by strength, essentially. 221 00:23:23,533 --> 00:23:26,281 Like does this make sense what I'm trying to say here? 222 00:23:26,281 --> 00:23:26,911 Wow. 223 00:23:26,911 --> 00:23:28,622 I think that's about much. 224 00:23:28,622 --> 00:23:29,332 You know what? 225 00:23:29,332 --> 00:23:39,236 uh as you, you, you know, you know how fun I am about you and the way you articulate things. 226 00:23:39,236 --> 00:23:53,302 And I would say that you did a much, much better job than I did explaining this because, uh, I was listening to how you described it and I'm going, yeah, that's the per, that is 227 00:23:53,302 --> 00:23:56,172 absolutely the, what 228 00:23:56,172 --> 00:23:57,992 the inferences. 229 00:23:58,212 --> 00:24:06,592 And I think you really captured it extraordinarily well with your words, much better than I did. 230 00:24:06,992 --> 00:24:21,012 Although I'd offer one other thing though, and this has to do with my own kind of evolution and my understanding of it, is that if you had asked me 40 years ago, 30 years 231 00:24:21,012 --> 00:24:25,072 ago, maybe even 20 years ago, 232 00:24:26,347 --> 00:24:41,091 uh what this meant having these two words in juxtaposition to describe a person's uh prototypical ambition. 233 00:24:41,807 --> 00:24:53,675 I would have actually agreed with all of that, but I think actually what you described from my own experience 234 00:24:54,427 --> 00:24:59,550 is more of a reasonable inference that people could take. 235 00:25:00,111 --> 00:25:01,131 Okay? 236 00:25:01,131 --> 00:25:18,702 And not being untrue either, but I think my view of those two words now is different in that it's not an equilibrium because they're really not two separate things. 237 00:25:18,702 --> 00:25:20,603 It's more of an integration. 238 00:25:21,148 --> 00:25:34,402 is that they, it's like water, it's not like, it's not like people have this conception, which I think is the same thing, know, yin and yang, you know, that kind of thing, like 239 00:25:34,402 --> 00:25:42,984 they're somehow paradoxical, uh they're paradoxical opposites, okay? 240 00:25:42,984 --> 00:25:51,189 oh Okay, that somehow dance together to create something. 241 00:25:51,189 --> 00:25:56,640 But in time, I realized that actually they're the same thing. 242 00:25:56,921 --> 00:26:05,883 That oh as you would say, strength and kindness are not opposites that are in balance. 243 00:26:06,183 --> 00:26:09,604 It's actually more subtle than that. 244 00:26:09,604 --> 00:26:16,426 They're actually the same thing, just expressing themselves in different ways, but they're the same thing. 245 00:26:16,426 --> 00:26:18,526 They're blended. 246 00:26:18,667 --> 00:26:19,849 And so, 247 00:26:19,849 --> 00:26:27,124 The idea eventually that I came to learn is that it's not keeping my life in balance. 248 00:26:27,124 --> 00:26:37,101 I don't think that's what the gurus meant by, and again, only they know I'm not claiming to be the guru, but I don't think that they meant, although it's represented that way, but 249 00:26:37,101 --> 00:26:48,038 I think it's much deeper than just merely that this is some kind of uh equilibrium balance between two opposites that... 250 00:26:48,180 --> 00:27:01,599 happen within a person because I've come to see that really what we're being led to is being led to being a very unified person that we're not two separate parts. 251 00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:02,959 just one person. 252 00:27:02,959 --> 00:27:06,862 We're one being and that is it's like water and water. 253 00:27:06,862 --> 00:27:13,956 It's an integration and that in the end it's since it's it's since it's a total merging. 254 00:27:14,204 --> 00:27:18,545 and union and integration, you really can't separate these things. 255 00:27:18,545 --> 00:27:20,635 They're the same thing in the end. 256 00:27:20,876 --> 00:27:33,979 And that one of the things we're aspiring for is to see, you see that duality and you're trying to bring it into harmony, but actually you're hoping in this lifetime to get to the 257 00:27:33,979 --> 00:27:35,749 point that there is no duality at all. 258 00:27:35,749 --> 00:27:42,101 It's just one thing that you're emerging of these two things. 259 00:27:42,191 --> 00:27:50,577 And so that has been my experience, my understanding about that term, what you're saying for that reason has changed. 260 00:27:52,659 --> 00:28:01,142 very fascinating because um I want to bring up a little bit of Sikh history into this. 261 00:28:01,142 --> 00:28:10,326 I'm not going go into it super in depth because we could spend like five episodes just talking about Sikh history and it wouldn't be enough probably. 262 00:28:10,326 --> 00:28:22,831 But this makes me think of how uh the lineage of gurus in Sikhism starts with a man of the caliber of Guru Nanak. 263 00:28:23,027 --> 00:28:26,910 who was pointedly not a warrior in his time. 264 00:28:26,910 --> 00:28:38,259 uh He was more so, I would say, I don't want to use the term traditional, but for the sake of practicality, could say more of a traditional spiritual leader. 265 00:28:38,259 --> 00:28:52,080 ah And then throughout time, the lineage transmutes and evolves into a lineage of war, of like, 266 00:28:52,290 --> 00:29:05,874 warrior spiritual leaders without losing or changing any of the focus on compassion and sainthood that already existed. 267 00:29:05,874 --> 00:29:09,255 Like this is kind of what comes to mind. 268 00:29:09,255 --> 00:29:12,026 it was integrated into it, as you say. 269 00:29:12,026 --> 00:29:14,597 So like one thing was changed for the other. 270 00:29:14,597 --> 00:29:19,058 It simply began to express itself in a new way. 271 00:29:19,058 --> 00:29:21,494 Would that be accurate to what you're saying? 272 00:29:21,494 --> 00:29:21,874 yeah. 273 00:29:21,874 --> 00:29:35,938 And again, I like the way that you articulate things because the word that I heard coming from you was expression, you know, and so it's how, so it's the same consciousness. 274 00:29:35,938 --> 00:29:51,048 So this is why this is really what I think we're trying to do in this podcast too, in the end is that we're trying to bring to people's awareness, the existence of a certain 275 00:29:51,048 --> 00:29:52,848 type of consciousness. 276 00:29:53,009 --> 00:29:57,010 Okay, we're not trying to convince people about anything. 277 00:29:57,010 --> 00:30:01,291 We're not trying to we're not trying to convert to anybody to anything. 278 00:30:01,291 --> 00:30:02,411 It's nothing like that. 279 00:30:02,411 --> 00:30:18,786 We're trying to just bring to people's awareness of the existence of a certain prototype of consciousness that has never actually changed as you said, I mean even from the founder 280 00:30:18,786 --> 00:30:19,630 down it just 281 00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:25,503 It has expressed itself in different ways as circumstances have dictated. 282 00:30:26,204 --> 00:30:31,646 But it's the same, it's exactly the same worldview. 283 00:30:32,027 --> 00:30:38,170 And that worldview gets expressed differently depending on what's going on in the world at any particular time. 284 00:30:38,711 --> 00:30:43,213 And so it's a state of mind, it's a state of being. 285 00:30:43,253 --> 00:30:47,035 But there, it's, and we're really hoping. 286 00:30:47,815 --> 00:30:59,582 I hope you're on the same page with this is that we're not actually going to be intentionally having a philosophical conversations about the meaning of life. 287 00:30:59,582 --> 00:31:16,731 We're probably going to be having conversations about day-to-day life, you know, and what's going on in the world that we live in on a very pragmatic day-to-day mundane way. 288 00:31:16,795 --> 00:31:24,229 how interesting it is dealing with human beings and the challenges that human beings have. 289 00:31:24,229 --> 00:31:36,546 And I think somehow tying it into kind of a very simple way of tying all the loose ends together. 290 00:31:36,546 --> 00:31:45,431 uh How it all kind of, it doesn't matter what we'll be talking about, it's gonna be bringing us back to the same place, which is. 291 00:31:45,479 --> 00:31:47,599 uh Why is that true? 292 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:57,932 And is that congruent with why we were put here or is not congruent? 293 00:31:57,932 --> 00:32:06,424 And if it's not congruent, what can I do in my life to kind of get me back on track? 294 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:12,966 So it's basically conversations about all the interesting things in people in life. 295 00:32:13,328 --> 00:32:15,168 But in the end, it's about people. 296 00:32:15,168 --> 00:32:17,839 It's not about like a theology. 297 00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:35,554 It's about, I foresee our conversations are gonna be about uh curiosity, about things and the things and people that uh inhabit the world, including our own lives, and seeing how 298 00:32:35,554 --> 00:32:42,606 that matches up to that prototype without trying to convince people of anything, just. 299 00:32:42,903 --> 00:32:54,891 I think we would be doing the best job in our podcast instead of telling people what we think and what our opinion is, you know, and trying to convince people that we're right 300 00:32:54,891 --> 00:33:12,382 wrong is that I hope that our conversations provoke curiosity and enough curiosity that people aren't going to sleep at night after hearing the conversation and not that we're 301 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:30,745 like suggesting that anybody's right or anybody's wrong, but kind of having people think about these things and how it affects their life and maybe open doors about the existence 302 00:33:30,745 --> 00:33:33,475 of things that they didn't even know existed. 303 00:33:33,636 --> 00:33:42,544 So I think that would be, you know, and like you were saying, like this is a good example, like you're bringing up about 304 00:33:42,544 --> 00:33:45,655 the warrior saint about how this would be equilibrium. 305 00:33:46,616 --> 00:33:59,081 And I'm suggesting maybe even more than an equilibrium, that it's more about uh like seamless integration, okay? 306 00:33:59,482 --> 00:34:09,446 And it's not that anybody's right or wrong, it's just that it's a really interesting thing that can be looked at at different angles and... 307 00:34:11,238 --> 00:34:23,578 I'm hoping that just us talking about these things would give reason for people to actually think about it in their own life and decide for themselves rather than be told 308 00:34:23,578 --> 00:34:28,598 this is how it is, it's not, because I could do that if I want to. 309 00:34:28,598 --> 00:34:37,258 I was trained as a lawyer, But I'm not wanting really to persuade as much as I am to introduce people. 310 00:34:38,713 --> 00:34:46,037 to new things and give them the opportunity to open their own minds and reach their own conclusions with it. 311 00:34:46,037 --> 00:34:55,682 Like, for instance, ah on this thing of uh integration, I'll give you an example. 312 00:34:55,682 --> 00:35:01,325 uh So we often talk about the heart of a person. 313 00:35:01,325 --> 00:35:02,336 That's very common. 314 00:35:02,336 --> 00:35:04,367 We talk about a person's heart. 315 00:35:04,727 --> 00:35:08,365 But it's really interesting because when we talk about 316 00:35:08,365 --> 00:35:17,651 a person having a lot of courage and a lot of character and a lot of uh strength. 317 00:35:18,072 --> 00:35:25,096 The term, at least in English, you hear most often is, hey, they had a big heart. 318 00:35:25,096 --> 00:35:27,177 They have a big heart. 319 00:35:27,978 --> 00:35:33,902 They've got a huge heart, which means they're very courageous, they're very brave, they're very selfless. 320 00:35:34,863 --> 00:35:38,275 You know, they're very strong, they've got a strong character. 321 00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:39,712 Yeah, they got a big heart. 322 00:35:39,712 --> 00:35:51,189 But also, people who are uh very kind and sweet and loving and compassionate, same thing, people say they have a big heart. 323 00:35:53,165 --> 00:36:06,677 Okay, but there's no accident because from my experience to really have a huge heart, you have to have both, not one. 324 00:36:06,918 --> 00:36:12,883 It's not enough just to be loving and compassionate. 325 00:36:12,883 --> 00:36:17,086 It's not enough just to be strong and courageous. 326 00:36:17,087 --> 00:36:19,991 If you're really talking about what 327 00:36:19,991 --> 00:36:24,065 a big heart represents, it's all at the same time actually. 328 00:36:24,065 --> 00:36:39,118 It's like, it's not even serially, it's like at the same moment, how can you be like the most courageous, strong person under any circumstances and still maintain your kindness 329 00:36:39,118 --> 00:36:40,179 and sweetness? 330 00:36:40,179 --> 00:36:43,342 That's a challenge, that's very hard to do. 331 00:36:43,342 --> 00:36:47,065 So I understand people could do one or the other. 332 00:36:47,161 --> 00:37:00,349 But Gudegoban Singh in talking about the warrior saint, far as I can understand, is trying to let us develop in this lifetime the capacity to have all those qualities all at the 333 00:37:00,349 --> 00:37:01,590 same time. 334 00:37:01,590 --> 00:37:06,172 Not one or the other and not even serially at the same moment. 335 00:37:07,153 --> 00:37:08,384 Because there's no difference. 336 00:37:08,384 --> 00:37:11,906 There's no difference between them in my experience. 337 00:37:12,023 --> 00:37:27,354 I I might be paraphrasing some Greek philosopher whose name I'm not remembering right now, it doesn't matter, I remember having read something about how uh strength without 338 00:37:27,354 --> 00:37:39,803 compassion can very easily devolve into cruelty, while compassion that is not tempered by strength 339 00:37:40,807 --> 00:37:43,671 can also very easily be weakness. 340 00:37:43,893 --> 00:37:47,859 So there is kind of a thing going on there. 341 00:37:49,232 --> 00:37:52,093 Well, I think that's exactly again. 342 00:37:52,093 --> 00:37:54,393 think that's exactly the idea. 343 00:37:55,414 --> 00:38:01,095 Is that one quality is no more important than the other. 344 00:38:03,172 --> 00:38:16,980 you know, and we'll talk more about these things, but it's like like examples of this pragmatically was that even if you find yourself in mortal comeback, 345 00:38:17,454 --> 00:38:23,188 combat with somebody because the circumstances dictated. 346 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:26,052 . 347 00:38:26,052 --> 00:38:36,379 at the same time, you can't forget that that's your brother that you're in mortal combat with, that he's also a human being. 348 00:38:37,601 --> 00:38:44,445 so it takes tremendous personal development to have the... 349 00:38:44,445 --> 00:38:52,771 Listen, to me, it takes tremendous personal development to master either of these things. 350 00:38:54,391 --> 00:39:14,076 But to work on yourself and devote your life, entire life, to being a warrior saint and develop both of these capacities as strengths at the same time is very rare. 351 00:39:14,497 --> 00:39:21,238 There's very few human beings who've actually come close to being able to exemplify that. 352 00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:40,047 It's yet at the same time, it's a worthy goal to devote your life to be, according to Guru Gobind Singh, it's a maybe the most worthy goal to dedicate your entire life to being that 353 00:39:40,047 --> 00:39:41,608 kind of person. 354 00:39:42,269 --> 00:39:50,693 And your day-to-day life will give you all the, you don't have to go to a mountain retreat, it's the opposite. 355 00:39:50,693 --> 00:39:54,131 you know, we're taught that you, 356 00:39:54,131 --> 00:39:59,174 actually develop these qualities interacting in the world. 357 00:40:00,054 --> 00:40:13,342 In your day-to-day life in your job in your personal relationships that there's all these challenges that will allow us to become courageous and compassionate at the same time if 358 00:40:13,342 --> 00:40:19,525 we're willing to take advantage of the short time we have here to do that. 359 00:40:20,066 --> 00:40:21,172 And so 360 00:40:21,172 --> 00:40:37,071 I'm hoping, I keep getting back to our podcast, I'm hoping that people will be very surprised knowing what we're saying today, that we're making, we're not trying to convert 361 00:40:37,071 --> 00:40:40,554 anybody into any religion, it's nothing like that. 362 00:40:40,554 --> 00:40:48,618 All we're doing is we're trying to basically let people know that 363 00:40:49,206 --> 00:40:56,788 in this lifetime, if they choose, it's possible to dedicate your life oh to that goal. 364 00:40:57,048 --> 00:41:03,770 That life itself will give you that opportunity if you choose to take advantage of it. 365 00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:11,263 And that I'm hoping we have these incredibly interesting conversations like we are today. 366 00:41:11,263 --> 00:41:16,474 And hopefully humorous conversations. 367 00:41:18,272 --> 00:41:30,269 and talk about things that people think have nothing to do with personal development, but of course, every conversation has to do with life and people and personal development. 368 00:41:30,269 --> 00:41:45,437 So we hope to take people on a trip all over the world, internally and externally, with other interesting people, hopefully as well, and to understand that in the end, we're all 369 00:41:45,437 --> 00:41:47,218 going in the same direction. 370 00:41:48,174 --> 00:42:03,570 and that all these things that we're gonna be exploring in our conversations are gonna help us get there and hopefully organically, not in a forced way. 371 00:42:05,126 --> 00:42:18,756 Right, yeah, no, no, I'm especially excited about the part referring to guests because I am very happy about the idea of bringing in interesting people from all over the world to 372 00:42:18,816 --> 00:42:20,628 share here with us, as you say. 373 00:42:20,628 --> 00:42:30,465 And like, I also want to elaborate on what you mentioned in regards to our audience that uh we're going to be talking about all kinds of things here. 374 00:42:30,465 --> 00:42:32,090 ah Someday. 375 00:42:32,090 --> 00:42:43,299 You might catch us talking about current events and philosophy or history and some other day we might be talking like uh recipes for the weekend or something like that. 376 00:42:43,299 --> 00:42:52,126 uh Yeah, anything. 377 00:42:52,166 --> 00:42:54,178 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 378 00:42:54,178 --> 00:42:59,672 And I want everyone to know that this is a very friendly space. 379 00:42:59,672 --> 00:43:01,914 Everyone is welcome here to. 380 00:43:01,914 --> 00:43:04,335 be a fly on the wall and listen. 381 00:43:04,456 --> 00:43:10,961 And I think we're going to have a lot of fun, know, uh continuing with the questions a little bit actually. 382 00:43:10,961 --> 00:43:21,249 uh There is something else that I wanted to approach regarding this, which is, okay, this is going to be a big question. 383 00:43:21,249 --> 00:43:22,252 I want you to avoid it. 384 00:43:22,252 --> 00:43:24,992 I want to give me some kind of answer on this. 385 00:43:27,114 --> 00:43:31,517 Like, if someone came up to us right now, in this moment, 386 00:43:32,279 --> 00:43:41,913 and told us that they are interested in the warrior saint ideal, right? 387 00:43:43,334 --> 00:43:52,077 Where would you say that they would have to get started if they wanted to know anything about this? 388 00:43:52,077 --> 00:43:55,138 Like, in which direction would you point? 389 00:43:55,138 --> 00:43:59,760 I know it's a big question, but there's gonna be something in that sense. 390 00:44:00,833 --> 00:44:05,277 Well, it's as big as as big or small as you want to make the question. 391 00:44:05,618 --> 00:44:09,367 Okay, so to me. 392 00:44:12,307 --> 00:44:20,729 From my experience, my angle in it is that by hanging out with us, they're already starting. 393 00:44:23,203 --> 00:44:24,085 I'm 394 00:44:24,085 --> 00:44:42,175 uh I'm not being presumptuous to say it, but if they're interested enough to hang in with a conversation with two people who are seeking to use their life for that purpose in 395 00:44:42,175 --> 00:44:52,360 whatever way they're doing it, without knowing it or with knowing it, they've already started because just hanging 396 00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:58,234 with people oriented in that direction will naturally take you where you need to go. 397 00:44:58,234 --> 00:45:02,427 That's called, in Indian culture it's called sangat. 398 00:45:02,427 --> 00:45:04,328 It's called spiritual community. 399 00:45:04,328 --> 00:45:05,709 It's called sangat. 400 00:45:05,709 --> 00:45:18,729 So if you're just hanging with us, ah it's gonna have some kind of direction and influence, whether you care for it or you don't want any part of it, but you're hanging 401 00:45:18,729 --> 00:45:20,680 out with people who... 402 00:45:21,184 --> 00:45:26,528 probably are very much like yourself and I wouldn't underestimate that. 403 00:45:28,610 --> 00:45:29,670 And that's a good place. 404 00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:32,032 So you've actually already started. 405 00:45:32,032 --> 00:45:32,432 Okay. 406 00:45:32,432 --> 00:45:40,398 And I think that has a huge influence because we now what you're talking about is you're talking about resources. 407 00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:42,520 Okay, you're talking about resources. 408 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,420 Okay. 409 00:45:43,481 --> 00:45:48,254 And and people like and in time. 410 00:45:48,490 --> 00:45:55,755 those resources will present themselves and then you'll have a choice to do that. 411 00:45:55,755 --> 00:45:57,857 But everybody is different. 412 00:45:57,857 --> 00:46:08,454 For instance, you know, we're both members of a group called the uh Culsa Society uh group, right? 413 00:46:08,454 --> 00:46:15,159 And this is also a uh kind of a place and it's on WhatsApp. 414 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:16,920 There's actually a WhatsApp group. 415 00:46:17,418 --> 00:46:32,718 called Kalsa Society, where people from all over the world who have either an investment or in the Kalsa in their own life or are curious about it can actually get inspiration and 416 00:46:32,718 --> 00:46:38,562 resources and find a sense of online community with other people, okay? 417 00:46:38,562 --> 00:46:40,903 And those people have resources. 418 00:46:41,124 --> 00:46:46,327 So that's another, I mean, so, and you find, in fact, if you, uh 419 00:46:46,479 --> 00:47:02,491 If you write to calcisociety.org, like info at calcisociety.org, and ask to be invited in, you'll be invited in and you can then, now you're meeting more people. 420 00:47:02,491 --> 00:47:04,633 So I think that's very important place. 421 00:47:04,633 --> 00:47:12,939 uh And there's many other resources that uh you can uh go to. 422 00:47:13,521 --> 00:47:20,037 Unlike when I started getting involved with this, there are many online resources. 423 00:47:20,137 --> 00:47:24,641 There's uh websites like seeknet.com. 424 00:47:24,722 --> 00:47:32,689 There's, uh if you want to learn more about Guru Gobind Singh and his writings, I mean, there's a lot on the internet about that. 425 00:47:32,689 --> 00:47:35,031 And there's videos on YouTube about that. 426 00:47:35,031 --> 00:47:38,834 There are many people speaking about it. 427 00:47:39,089 --> 00:47:41,120 actually representing it fine. 428 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:46,720 Some, my opinion, misrepresenting it for all kinds of, because that's what we're dealing with today. 429 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:49,262 There's all kinds of stuff out there. 430 00:47:49,262 --> 00:47:54,563 And so, you you're asking me how do people get started? 431 00:47:54,563 --> 00:47:59,044 That's, I think getting started, you're here with us. 432 00:47:59,285 --> 00:48:01,595 I told you about the Kalsa Society. 433 00:48:01,595 --> 00:48:04,186 That's not a bad resource. 434 00:48:04,306 --> 00:48:08,947 The internet is a very, is a very good resource that will 435 00:48:08,963 --> 00:48:11,845 I take you to those places. 436 00:48:11,845 --> 00:48:27,706 uh You know, I had a teacher named Yogi Bajin who died 20 years ago, had a tremendous influence in my life and I would not be here in this conversation with you even today 437 00:48:27,706 --> 00:48:32,059 looking like I am had not been for his influence in my life. 438 00:48:32,059 --> 00:48:37,622 So of course his teachings are very available out there and uh 439 00:48:37,788 --> 00:48:38,980 So yeah, sure. 440 00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:44,460 And I think as we go along, we'll be able to give people more more resources. 441 00:48:44,460 --> 00:48:47,394 But hopefully that's not a dodge answer. 442 00:48:52,352 --> 00:49:11,132 you know, starting point of some kind because for me, you know, it was funny when I met you for the first time a few years ago and I had no idea about Sikhism whatsoever. 443 00:49:11,212 --> 00:49:18,552 In fact, I'm going to take this as an opportunity to give a bit of context to how we met to our listeners here. 444 00:49:18,952 --> 00:49:21,612 So, I was 445 00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:32,083 I was sent a message by an acquaintance of mine because there was going to be a yoga seminar in my city. 446 00:49:32,623 --> 00:49:47,007 And I was told that they needed an interpreter, a translator for ah an American man who was coming to my city because they had lost the guy who was going to do the gig 447 00:49:47,007 --> 00:49:47,497 previously. 448 00:49:47,497 --> 00:49:48,807 So they asked me if I could do it. 449 00:49:48,807 --> 00:49:50,408 I was like, yeah, of course. 450 00:49:51,281 --> 00:49:54,153 I had never done yoga in my life. 451 00:49:54,153 --> 00:50:04,899 had only the vaguest idea about uh faith and religion from India, from that part of the world. 452 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:16,666 And I was very taken aback when we originally met because, and this might sound funny to you, but it was my first time uh seeing a guy 453 00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:26,237 in full regalia with the turban and the beard, you know, just coming through the door into this coffee shop where we were waiting for you. 454 00:50:26,958 --> 00:50:40,029 And I remember that, um actually, I don't know if I ever told you this, but the first time I saw you, the first thought going through my head was, what did I get myself into? 455 00:50:40,029 --> 00:50:44,552 know, like that's the thing I thought. 456 00:50:46,694 --> 00:50:52,077 And I remember, and we started chatting and of course we got along pretty much immediately. 457 00:50:52,077 --> 00:51:03,104 um But like all of this world was completely unfamiliar to me and we spent like what I would say like five days, something like that, working together more or less. 458 00:51:04,625 --> 00:51:13,469 And then after you left the city, I was left thinking, okay, this man said that he's a Sikh. 459 00:51:13,469 --> 00:51:14,940 What is a Sikh? 460 00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:26,047 And so I spend the following, I don't know, three weeks to a month just stuffing my head full of information about who are the Sikhs, where do they come from, what is their 461 00:51:26,047 --> 00:51:30,610 history, where is their cultural heritage, know, all of these things. 462 00:51:32,172 --> 00:51:41,117 And, you know, I tend to, I have this thing where I get into a sort of hyper focus on my topic of interest at the moment. 463 00:51:42,438 --> 00:51:54,328 And I was very deeply taken aback by all of the cultural and historical richness of the Sikh tradition. 464 00:51:55,129 --> 00:51:58,331 And that's kind of what drew me in. 465 00:51:58,331 --> 00:52:09,662 And I think that if we get any listeners who are history bots or who are interested in uh all the cultures from around the world, they would 466 00:52:09,662 --> 00:52:14,048 Probably have a good time going into a similar rapid hole like that. 467 00:52:14,048 --> 00:52:17,617 So I fully recommend this to anyone 468 00:52:17,617 --> 00:52:21,159 and that you kind of answered your own question is that 469 00:52:23,161 --> 00:52:28,407 Everybody to me is gonna do this differently. 470 00:52:28,849 --> 00:52:32,633 know, like you're going, like what do you recommend? 471 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,092 Yeah. 472 00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:34,937 Yeah. 473 00:52:34,937 --> 00:52:43,397 kind of a loaded question because it kind of depends on the person, right? 474 00:52:43,397 --> 00:52:46,737 So you're going to go in it the way you did. 475 00:52:46,737 --> 00:52:49,877 Somebody else would not do it that way. 476 00:52:50,097 --> 00:53:00,557 So I generally have given the advice based on, um, one of us, I don't know if you hear it. 477 00:53:00,557 --> 00:53:02,957 Do you hear any like feedback on, 478 00:53:04,081 --> 00:53:07,374 Like I'm hearing like, are you hearing that or just me? 479 00:53:09,876 --> 00:53:10,797 that's interesting. 480 00:53:10,797 --> 00:53:11,618 Okay. 481 00:53:11,618 --> 00:53:13,420 May not have anything to do with you. 482 00:53:13,420 --> 00:53:14,400 Okay. 483 00:53:15,021 --> 00:53:16,062 Be wrapping up soon. 484 00:53:16,062 --> 00:53:16,642 I'll see. 485 00:53:16,642 --> 00:53:18,976 Hopefully it's not going to cut us off here. 486 00:53:18,976 --> 00:53:19,865 All right. 487 00:53:19,865 --> 00:53:33,618 So, um, I, I generally people ask me that question, but I almost prefer getting it on a individual level because, uh, it'll be based on my take of that person because people are, 488 00:53:33,618 --> 00:53:35,539 we're all kind of. 489 00:53:36,219 --> 00:53:41,719 We're all kind of a little different in our own ways and we kind of approach these things differently. 490 00:53:41,859 --> 00:53:47,039 So it depends on the person and how much, know, some people need to take it really, really slow. 491 00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:50,299 Other people like it really, you know, fast. 492 00:53:50,899 --> 00:53:53,679 And some people like it online. 493 00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:56,099 Some people like it in a form of a community. 494 00:53:56,099 --> 00:53:58,919 I mean, so everybody's a little different. 495 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,155 And the thing that I think you've learned personally. 496 00:54:04,706 --> 00:54:05,424 is that... 497 00:54:05,424 --> 00:54:06,675 um 498 00:54:08,251 --> 00:54:23,631 It can all be very overwhelming and and everybody has kind of a different kind of a sensibility in being bombarded with new ideas. 499 00:54:23,631 --> 00:54:32,591 And it's easy to kind of like as you said going, what am I getting myself into or what have I got myself into that's very normal. 500 00:54:32,591 --> 00:54:38,172 Okay, and time will tell whether that was a mistake in strategy or not. 501 00:54:38,172 --> 00:54:41,254 the way you did it, the way anybody does it. 502 00:54:41,895 --> 00:54:48,340 But it's a really good question, but you could see that there's no like a cookie cutter answer to that question. 503 00:54:48,340 --> 00:55:03,142 just was, uh I was thinking it was very important to acknowledge that if somebody is interested in this conversation and is kind of interested in hanging with us, they're 504 00:55:03,142 --> 00:55:04,412 already started. 505 00:55:05,434 --> 00:55:07,245 And there should be some... 506 00:55:07,245 --> 00:55:09,115 self-acknowledgement. 507 00:55:09,616 --> 00:55:17,168 And it's not like they've started in the path of becoming a Sikh, because that's really not the issue. 508 00:55:17,168 --> 00:55:34,459 They've kind of started in uh kind of just deepening their interest in gaining some kind of direction and identity in how they're going to be dealing with the game of life. 509 00:55:34,459 --> 00:55:40,019 and the existential questions that it raises while they're still here. 510 00:55:40,439 --> 00:55:43,619 And where they land up, nobody knows. 511 00:55:43,619 --> 00:55:48,459 And as you know, people come and go. 512 00:55:48,939 --> 00:55:58,799 you know, people, even on this, this, this path, people come and go, but for now we have people who are sitting at our table, listening, over listening to our conversation. 513 00:55:59,139 --> 00:56:02,701 And we hope, I hope, 514 00:56:02,701 --> 00:56:16,495 I hope you feel the same way that, you know, kind of sitting in with us can uh be some kind of stimulus for them to move forward in their own life and how they choose. 515 00:56:17,926 --> 00:56:20,569 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 516 00:56:21,315 --> 00:56:26,839 And we're hoping it's entertaining too, because we're, because you know me and I know you. 517 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:42,252 And I think one of the challenges we're going to face in this, in this effort that we're doing is having people understand why we're talking about certain things that don't to 518 00:56:42,252 --> 00:56:50,124 them may seem have nothing to do with what this podcast is about, but it always will because 519 00:56:50,124 --> 00:56:54,856 It's always about two things, it's about life and it's about people. 520 00:56:54,856 --> 00:57:10,942 So every conversation's a relevant conversation and we're hoping to follow where, I think it's something I mentioned to you, we don't have plans to do anything, believe me. 521 00:57:11,103 --> 00:57:17,605 To me, my objective is to go where the conversation leads us. 522 00:57:17,605 --> 00:57:19,460 That the conversation, 523 00:57:19,460 --> 00:57:20,741 will have a life of its own. 524 00:57:20,741 --> 00:57:34,442 And we trust in the conversation, we trust in the participants, and that it will take us to very interesting places that really talk about the human condition. 525 00:57:41,077 --> 00:57:45,529 a lot uh to discuss ahead. 526 00:57:45,770 --> 00:58:09,083 And I think that people shouldn't underestimate the more quote unquote mundane topics because I think that generally as human beings there is a lot of daily occurrences that we 527 00:58:09,083 --> 00:58:09,755 tend to 528 00:58:09,755 --> 00:58:17,597 to take for granted, but they are actually quite significant when you look at them a little bit closely, you know? 529 00:58:17,917 --> 00:58:28,730 So uh we're gonna be getting into some stuff that might seem mundane at first glance, but there's gonna be a whole cornucopia of meaning behind it. 530 00:58:28,730 --> 00:58:29,100 like... 531 00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:34,485 uh 532 00:58:34,485 --> 00:58:41,250 that what's mundane and not mundane is in the eye of the beholder. 533 00:58:41,971 --> 00:58:55,911 And that we're hoping by hanging with us, you'll get to realize that every single moment of your life is filled with information if you choose to pay attention to it. 534 00:58:56,653 --> 00:58:58,604 There is never an empty moment. 535 00:58:58,604 --> 00:59:06,321 Every moment is full of information, lessons, direction, everything. 536 00:59:06,321 --> 00:59:11,605 And uh it's full of oh pleasure and it's full of pain. 537 00:59:11,726 --> 00:59:16,400 if you pay attention to it, there isn't gonna be one second. 538 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:24,396 And I'm hoping that's one of the outcomes of oh our effort is to really show people that 539 00:59:25,355 --> 00:59:30,198 You don't have to go anywhere to get wisdom in your life. 540 00:59:30,198 --> 00:59:36,232 Wisdom is everywhere around you if you choose to pay attention to it. 541 00:59:36,232 --> 00:59:44,617 And we're hoping to show people by, we're gonna be talking about all kinds of things and people are gonna, what does that have to do with anything? 542 00:59:45,598 --> 00:59:54,264 But I'm hoping that we actually are able to inspire people to understand that everything has to do with everything. 543 00:59:54,264 --> 00:59:57,669 There's nothing that doesn't have nothing to do with nothing. 544 00:59:58,452 --> 01:00:02,618 That it's a matter of connecting the dots. 545 01:00:02,820 --> 01:00:07,908 And we're hoping that our conversations helps people connect their own dots. 546 01:00:09,313 --> 01:00:10,084 There you go. 547 01:00:10,084 --> 01:00:22,831 I think we're headed right there, And, you know, with all of this said, uh I think we could call it for the day, if you're alright with it. 548 01:00:23,337 --> 01:00:24,138 absolutely. 549 01:00:24,138 --> 01:00:25,759 Let's call it a day. 550 01:00:25,759 --> 01:00:31,984 And this was a very good way to introduce people to what we're hoping to accomplish. 551 01:00:31,984 --> 01:00:40,671 uh starting with our next podcast, we'll be off and running to directions I have no idea. 552 01:00:41,973 --> 01:00:44,785 It'll be whatever it is. 553 01:00:44,785 --> 01:00:47,327 All right, buddy. 554 01:00:47,327 --> 01:00:47,757 Thanks. 555 01:00:47,757 --> 01:00:48,558 I'll just edit it. 556 01:00:48,558 --> 01:00:50,956 I'll just cut it here, you know. 557 01:00:50,956 --> 01:00:52,376 when I edit it. 558 01:00:53,557 --> 01:00:58,269 And I've got a lot of feedback, but I don't know where it's coming from. 559 01:00:58,269 --> 01:01:10,104 I don't know what it's from my uh a bad connection or my internet connection, but I'm hoping it's not gonna be in the raw footage. 560 01:01:10,724 --> 01:01:13,846 You know, that it's just in the line that it's not gonna be picked up. 561 01:01:13,846 --> 01:01:16,647 But if it is, there's nothing I can do about that. 562 01:01:16,647 --> 01:01:19,128 But I have to find the source of this. 563 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:45,072 Because you You uh 564 01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:47,243 Blat, sir, a blat. 565 01:01:48,694 --> 01:01:51,298 How do you feel about it today? 566 01:01:51,463 --> 01:01:52,823 I know I said it was good. 567 01:01:52,823 --> 01:02:02,066 uh perhaps a bit overzealous at the beginning with trying to give a direction to the thing as you said. 568 01:02:02,747 --> 01:02:12,240 But I would say that we settled into a proper pace of conversation a little bit faster than we did the last time. 569 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,741 So I'm happy. 570 01:02:13,741 --> 01:02:14,521 I agree. 571 01:02:14,521 --> 01:02:15,071 I agree. 572 01:02:15,071 --> 01:02:16,323 takes a while. 573 01:02:16,323 --> 01:02:20,906 But the thing was, was like, we can both help each other, right? 574 01:02:20,906 --> 01:02:37,190 Because what happened was, is that I think you were rushing a little to get into the details of things that probably are going to be talked about in much more depth later. 575 01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:40,392 Because we have all the time. 576 01:02:40,392 --> 01:02:41,433 We do this once a week. 577 01:02:41,433 --> 01:02:42,785 mean, we have 578 01:02:42,785 --> 01:02:46,057 plenty of time to get into all the stuff. 579 01:02:46,057 --> 01:02:54,181 But this one was mostly about just trying to give people an understanding of what we're trying to do. 580 01:02:54,921 --> 01:03:03,486 And also at the same time understand what this whole warrior's sane objective is, conceptually. 581 01:03:03,626 --> 01:03:06,818 And I think you did a good job of bringing that in. 582 01:03:06,818 --> 01:03:11,712 And then I think you started talking about some details like 583 01:03:11,712 --> 01:03:19,284 You know, like for instance, the one that comes to mind is you were you were asking about the changes in my life. 584 01:03:19,284 --> 01:03:25,986 Okay, so that's going to be that's going to be a little too much in the weeds for this particular podcast. 585 01:03:25,986 --> 01:03:41,398 But you can imagine that that's going to probably be a subject of at least one podcast, if not numerous podcasts, because there was so many fundamental changes that 586 01:03:41,398 --> 01:03:48,358 are really worth talking about and I'm sure you'll have a lot to share in your own life about changes you've made. 587 01:03:48,358 --> 01:03:59,498 mean, so, so like, as soon as you started doing it, I just kind of dodged it and brought it back to what we're trying to do here. 588 01:03:59,638 --> 01:04:11,222 And in the end, I think you were like incredibly helpful in articulating the, the, the meaning. 589 01:04:11,222 --> 01:04:18,322 of the title, incredibly articulate in fact. 590 01:04:18,422 --> 01:04:28,602 I I go, And then I thought that, okay, it was a good just in for me to give it another twist to it. 591 01:04:28,702 --> 01:04:35,602 Which is, think, again, I think what these conversations can give opportunities of giving these little twists. 592 01:04:36,956 --> 01:04:41,651 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, think we will make a very solid team, 593 01:04:42,997 --> 01:04:43,717 Yeah, it's fun. 594 01:04:43,717 --> 01:04:44,797 And it's fun. 595 01:04:44,797 --> 01:04:46,688 This is great. 596 01:04:47,388 --> 01:04:55,318 You know, I had and nothing new with the podcast, but I had a this like and I pay attention to these things. 597 01:04:55,318 --> 01:05:03,272 I had this thing pop in my head and things usually that pop in my head have some traction. 598 01:05:04,432 --> 01:05:11,164 And I was I just had this thing in my head that me and you were going to go to India together, just me and you. 599 01:05:11,964 --> 01:05:21,357 and that we were gonna actually be doing our podcast at some unknown date in the future from India. 600 01:05:21,397 --> 01:05:32,160 But we'd actually be together hanging out and the podcast would be about our experience in India. 601 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:39,082 So ah just kind of put that on your radar because I'm thinking, no, no, no, no, that makes perfect sense to me. 602 01:05:39,082 --> 01:05:39,776 uh 603 01:05:39,776 --> 01:05:44,091 We just kind of, the two of us as buddies just hanging out in India. 604 01:05:44,091 --> 01:05:47,200 I think that's what I see. 605 01:05:48,592 --> 01:05:50,980 Blast, I'm down for that. 606 01:05:50,983 --> 01:05:52,564 Count me, count me for that. 607 01:05:52,564 --> 01:06:09,249 Yeah, well, think, you know what, just keep it in mind and basically just kind of uh keep it in mind and see what you can do to make it happen. 608 01:06:09,249 --> 01:06:20,212 And then we can just, I think we'll just be at a place where we're in the same mind space at the same time and we'll go, yeah, okay, let's go. 609 01:06:20,784 --> 01:06:23,658 Alright, okay, excellent sir. 610 01:06:24,406 --> 01:06:25,098 Alright. 611 01:06:25,098 --> 01:06:25,598 alright buddy. 612 01:06:25,598 --> 01:06:26,189 Thanks again. 613 01:06:26,189 --> 01:06:31,110 I'll send you the edit when I also I'm not going to publish anything without you seeing it first. 614 01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:33,101 So I'll I'll let it in. 615 01:06:33,101 --> 01:06:37,413 Hopefully I can find the source of this because I'm getting a lot of feedback. 616 01:06:37,413 --> 01:06:43,685 I don't know if it's my AirPods just getting some electrical interference or my. 617 01:06:46,767 --> 01:06:48,804 I lost your audio there, sir. 618 01:06:48,804 --> 01:06:50,089 I don't hear you. 619 01:06:52,235 --> 01:06:53,469 I don't hear you. 620 01:06:55,321 --> 01:06:58,712 Because I touched the microphone, yeah. 621 01:06:58,712 --> 01:06:59,603 this is interesting. 622 01:06:59,603 --> 01:07:08,488 This is where I'm getting my feedback because when I stopped it, I didn't hear any feedback, right? 623 01:07:08,488 --> 01:07:13,490 And soon as I shut my microphone, I'm getting this feedback. 624 01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:19,785 So it's somehow how my, I think my AirPods are interacting with. 625 01:07:19,785 --> 01:07:26,219 my microphone, but I'll find out in short order whether the recording was affected. 626 01:07:26,461 --> 01:07:30,109 But if the recording is not affected, I know it's the AirPods. 627 01:07:30,808 --> 01:07:32,864 Okay, okay, okay, yeah, let me know. 628 01:07:32,864 --> 01:07:37,588 Just hit me up with the final edit when you got it and I'll give it a look. 629 01:07:38,601 --> 01:07:45,657 Yeah, and you know, I'm also noticing that I'm only getting this feedback when I'm talking, not when you're talking. 630 01:07:47,118 --> 01:07:48,791 Okay, bye. 631 01:07:48,967 --> 01:07:52,844 So hopefully it's, I am checking this right here. 632 01:07:53,787 --> 01:07:58,837 Yeah, hopefully I'm not recording through my AirPods. 633 01:08:00,820 --> 01:08:01,891 I'm getting too, but we'll see. 634 01:08:01,891 --> 01:08:02,932 We'll see what happens. 635 01:08:02,932 --> 01:08:04,393 Yeah, very, very strange. 636 01:08:04,393 --> 01:08:06,616 OK, I'll keep you posted. 637 01:08:06,616 --> 01:08:09,408 Thanks a lot. 638 01:08:10,049 --> 01:08:11,270 this is great. 639 01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:11,931 This is great. 640 01:08:11,931 --> 01:08:13,191 Thanks so much.