WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.159 --> 00:00:02.320 Jethro Jones: Welcome to a Vision For Learning. 00:00:02.590 --> 00:00:05.229 I am your host, Jethro Jones. 00:00:05.649 --> 00:00:08.379 You can follow me on all the socials at Jethro Jones. 00:00:08.379 --> 00:00:13.719 And we are talking today about the question, should I 00:00:13.719 --> 00:00:15.280 buy this for use in school? 00:00:19.720 --> 00:00:20.830 That's the real question. 00:00:21.070 --> 00:00:22.210 That's what I'm here for. 00:00:22.720 --> 00:00:26.530 I'm curious, can we use this as a tool in school? 00:00:26.995 --> 00:00:28.555 Is it too expensive? 00:00:29.815 --> 00:00:31.765 If not every kid can have one. 00:00:31.825 --> 00:00:33.175 Is it even worth it? 00:00:33.745 --> 00:00:38.245 These are the things that I'm thinking about, so I've been using it since it 00:00:38.245 --> 00:00:43.885 came out last week, and if you haven't heard my episode about using it for 00:00:43.890 --> 00:00:47.485 productivity, I suggest you go check that out at a vision for learning. 00:00:48.445 --> 00:00:56.185 It's definitely useful for productivity and some things are just incredible on it. 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:00.750 For example, reading is really good. 00:01:00.870 --> 00:01:01.980 I really enjoy reading. 00:01:02.430 --> 00:01:03.750 That's not what we're here to talk about. 00:01:03.750 --> 00:01:05.580 Go listen to that episode and check it out. 00:01:07.650 --> 00:01:10.560 Let's talk about should we use it for school, will it 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:12.480 work for using it for school? 00:01:13.530 --> 00:01:18.330 So the first thing is that I, apple designed a few things 00:01:18.330 --> 00:01:22.530 right from the beginning that I think really matter a lot. 00:01:23.220 --> 00:01:24.090 Number one. 00:01:24.929 --> 00:01:28.500 They created a guest mode that is very easy to access. 00:01:28.500 --> 00:01:29.940 That is one of the defaults. 00:01:30.539 --> 00:01:32.970 They know the other people are gonna want to try this. 00:01:33.029 --> 00:01:38.190 And the guest mode allows you to share it with someone else 00:01:38.190 --> 00:01:39.660 and let them experience it. 00:01:40.140 --> 00:01:50.149 And when you go into guest mode, what is an option to let someone else use it, and 00:01:50.210 --> 00:01:52.789 it asks you a couple of different things. 00:01:54.574 --> 00:02:00.204 It says, do you want to allow all apps or only the opened apps? 00:02:01.195 --> 00:02:04.704 And so it asks for that first, and then it says, do you want to view mirroring? 00:02:05.065 --> 00:02:09.979 Which means do you want to project what the person sees inside there to 00:02:11.095 --> 00:02:16.734 another display, either another, a computer display or an Apple TV display. 00:02:17.515 --> 00:02:19.560 And by computer display, do you want to mirror it on. 00:02:20.425 --> 00:02:23.785 Your Mac computer, that's what it's set up as. 00:02:23.785 --> 00:02:29.245 And I'm guessing it'll probably work with any airplay compatible 00:02:29.815 --> 00:02:32.785 device that's been, that's my guess. 00:02:33.235 --> 00:02:36.865 So that is set up from the beginning. 00:02:37.015 --> 00:02:41.425 The other thing is, one of the tools that we've used in education for a long 00:02:41.425 --> 00:02:48.205 time to give students access to Apple devices is what's called guided access. 00:02:48.565 --> 00:02:53.785 And guided access is an accessibility tool that keeps the device in a specific 00:02:53.845 --> 00:02:59.365 app, rather than allowing the user to go into any app that they want to go to. 00:02:59.785 --> 00:03:03.955 And this is a powerful thing because what it does is 00:03:03.955 --> 00:03:08.095 guided access allows you to say, this is the specific app I want 00:03:08.100 --> 00:03:12.205 somebody to be able to use and I don't want them to use anything else. 00:03:12.595 --> 00:03:15.445 So you set it up being say, start guided access. 00:03:15.655 --> 00:03:16.490 Here's a passcode. 00:03:17.160 --> 00:03:23.430 When somebody wants to get out of it, they they have to use a passcode that is 00:03:23.490 --> 00:03:30.420 separate from your optic id, so they don't have to know your password to log in. 00:03:30.425 --> 00:03:32.565 You set up a separate passcode for. 00:03:33.795 --> 00:03:39.485 Them to be able to get out of that, which you could tell them if you felt 00:03:39.485 --> 00:03:43.745 like you needed to or you could not tell them so that they can't exit out. 00:03:45.875 --> 00:03:50.795 Now, if you want to have students be just focused on one particular app and not 00:03:50.795 --> 00:03:52.805 use anything else, then you can do that. 00:03:53.345 --> 00:03:55.115 Here's a challenge with that. 00:03:57.005 --> 00:04:01.835 Once they take it off, as far as I can tell, you have to put it 00:04:01.835 --> 00:04:06.225 back on for you and recalibrate it and get it set up, for them. 00:04:07.155 --> 00:04:09.615 So that can be a little bit challenging 00:04:09.615 --> 00:04:15.375 now, because this uses your fingers as the input device and your 00:04:15.375 --> 00:04:19.900 eye tracking it has to walk them through that setup every time. 00:04:20.595 --> 00:04:21.975 A new user puts it on. 00:04:22.335 --> 00:04:28.065 So that could be a little bit challenging, could lengthen the time to do it, but 00:04:28.065 --> 00:04:33.795 it's also a good opportunity to have that experience of figuring out how everything 00:04:33.795 --> 00:04:39.255 works, because once you put your hands up and it scans your hands, and once you 00:04:39.315 --> 00:04:42.495 tap the little dots with your eyes, then. 00:04:43.125 --> 00:04:45.945 Then you're good to go and you know how to use the device. 00:04:46.395 --> 00:04:48.325 So that aspect is pretty cool. 00:04:48.775 --> 00:04:53.605 What I also like is that because it's using what you have, there's no 00:04:53.605 --> 00:04:58.255 controllers that you have to try to figure out how to manipulate to get 'em to work. 00:04:59.545 --> 00:05:03.325 and it just, it works with what you have and. 00:05:03.375 --> 00:05:06.825 for my oldest daughter who has Down Syndrome, she was able to 00:05:06.825 --> 00:05:08.925 figure it out really quickly. 00:05:09.525 --> 00:05:15.915 Now, on that, let me talk about a little side thing here that can be challenging. 00:05:17.925 --> 00:05:23.265 When you give guided access or you give guest access and somebody's using 00:05:23.265 --> 00:05:25.995 it, if you turn on mirroring the. 00:05:26.625 --> 00:05:33.015 Tool to invoke that mirroring heads up display is pretty much always on 00:05:33.015 --> 00:05:37.725 the screen and it's always right at the corner of your eyes, and so it's 00:05:37.725 --> 00:05:44.625 very easy to tap that instead of tapping the thing that you want to tap. 00:05:45.285 --> 00:05:49.275 And so that is really challenging for anybody who's using it, who 00:05:49.275 --> 00:05:52.815 doesn't know what that is there for and what its purpose is. 00:05:52.825 --> 00:05:58.195 it just gets in the way too much and makes it difficult for someone who's new to the 00:05:58.195 --> 00:06:00.025 device and it can be quite frustrating. 00:06:01.075 --> 00:06:04.255 So that is, is the big drawback. 00:06:04.345 --> 00:06:10.315 Now, secondly, apple says this device is designed for people over 13 and. 00:06:12.010 --> 00:06:18.280 There may be other reasons for that, but one very clear, obvious reason is that 00:06:18.340 --> 00:06:20.300 it is not designed for little heads. 00:06:20.960 --> 00:06:26.150 when my 12-year-old daughter wanted to try it, I let her try it and she had 00:06:26.150 --> 00:06:30.230 to hold it up underneath the Vision Pro so that she could keep it on her 00:06:30.230 --> 00:06:32.425 face, and keep her eyes lined up. 00:06:32.425 --> 00:06:33.565 That's not a good experience. 00:06:33.565 --> 00:06:35.515 So what we did is we put a beanie on her head. 00:06:35.890 --> 00:06:38.370 And then that worked out just fine. 00:06:38.370 --> 00:06:42.240 And she was able to use it without holding it up with her hands, 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.970 which also block the IR blasters. 00:06:44.970 --> 00:06:48.780 They block the cameras underneath and that look at your hands and all that, 00:06:48.780 --> 00:06:53.730 and then one hand is busy holding it up, which makes it difficult as well. 00:06:53.730 --> 00:06:55.290 So that was the second piece. 00:06:55.290 --> 00:06:57.720 First piece was guest mode and guided access. 00:06:57.725 --> 00:07:00.930 Second piece was, this is not designed for little kids. 00:07:01.380 --> 00:07:07.530 Third piece is that this is a sturdy device, but it's probably quite delicate. 00:07:07.860 --> 00:07:12.750 There are a couple times that my kids have been using it and I've been a little 00:07:12.750 --> 00:07:15.600 nervous about them moving around with it. 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:19.420 they can get pretty into the immersive experiences that can make it. 00:07:20.605 --> 00:07:25.315 A little bit nerve wracking, so just be thoughtful about that. 00:07:25.825 --> 00:07:26.815 Here's the other piece. 00:07:26.815 --> 00:07:30.175 Apple suggests that you put the cover over the glass on the front. 00:07:30.505 --> 00:07:34.075 There is a lot of glass on this thing, and that's something 00:07:34.075 --> 00:07:35.695 that you've gotta be aware of. 00:07:35.700 --> 00:07:38.335 And as it relates to kids and glass, we know that those 00:07:38.335 --> 00:07:39.925 things do not go well together. 00:07:40.225 --> 00:07:44.995 So I would say probably you wanna use some extreme caution 00:07:45.385 --> 00:07:46.585 if you're thinking about that. 00:07:46.585 --> 00:07:51.925 The other part of it being sturdy, but probably delicate is that there is glass 00:07:52.375 --> 00:07:57.145 and the screens that your eyes are looking at are rumored to cost a thousand 00:07:57.145 --> 00:07:59.935 dollars each, which is pretty expensive. 00:08:00.085 --> 00:08:05.755 The other thing to really be aware of with this is the band that attaches to the 00:08:05.755 --> 00:08:09.355 headset comes off exceptionally easily. 00:08:09.775 --> 00:08:14.335 It is really easy for that to fall, and it feels natural to want to 00:08:14.335 --> 00:08:19.975 carry it by that strap, but doing so would probably lead to a dropping and 00:08:19.975 --> 00:08:23.305 falling very easily at the Apple store. 00:08:23.365 --> 00:08:25.735 When I bought it, they showed me how to put it on by. 00:08:26.395 --> 00:08:31.525 Putting my thumb where the nose goes and my two fingers above on 00:08:31.525 --> 00:08:33.745 the top and putting it on like that. 00:08:34.135 --> 00:08:38.815 You really do not wanna hold it by the strap because it comes apart so easily. 00:08:39.355 --> 00:08:43.885 That is a major feature when you're trying to switch straps, but definitely 00:08:44.155 --> 00:08:45.715 not how you want to be carrying it. 00:08:45.745 --> 00:08:48.865 'cause if you carry it like that and then the it falls. 00:08:49.225 --> 00:08:52.645 It's gonna land right on the glass and that is surely going to break it. 00:08:53.055 --> 00:08:57.075 even if you have the protective cover on, I think the protective cover is sturdy, 00:08:57.075 --> 00:08:59.475 but I don't know that it's that sturdy. 00:08:59.475 --> 00:09:03.615 The thing that I'm not sure about, and I have a, an ophthalmologist who's 00:09:03.615 --> 00:09:08.145 gonna come on the show and we're gonna talk about this, what I've noticed 00:09:08.505 --> 00:09:15.105 in having these screens just inches away from my eyes for hours at a time. 00:09:16.125 --> 00:09:19.635 I have not had the same reaction that I've had staring at my 00:09:19.635 --> 00:09:21.435 phone for hours at a time. 00:09:21.855 --> 00:09:23.445 There are a couple of things that are different. 00:09:23.505 --> 00:09:26.385 Number one, I'm sitting up straighter. 00:09:26.445 --> 00:09:31.910 Number two, I am focused more on my posture and how I'm sitting because 00:09:33.825 --> 00:09:38.535 I have this big thing on my head and I need to keep it where it should be. 00:09:38.565 --> 00:09:43.135 and so that piece, if I'm, I made a sudden movement. 00:09:43.705 --> 00:09:48.595 The other day when I was using it, and I definitely felt it because I was not 00:09:48.595 --> 00:09:50.335 prepared to make that kind of a movement. 00:09:51.085 --> 00:09:56.425 And I felt it in my neck and in my back and it didn't hurt me, but I did 00:09:56.430 --> 00:10:00.385 feel it and I thought, okay, I better pay attention to how I'm moving. 00:10:00.775 --> 00:10:04.765 And so that aspect you want to be thoughtful about as well. 00:10:05.785 --> 00:10:07.495 So back to the I situation. 00:10:07.915 --> 00:10:11.635 I've had this on my face for hours at a time, and I have not. 00:10:12.910 --> 00:10:18.340 I have not felt the eye fatigue that I have with using a computer screen 00:10:18.340 --> 00:10:20.950 or an iPad, in a similar manner. 00:10:21.130 --> 00:10:24.580 And I'm very curious why that is. 00:10:24.580 --> 00:10:27.520 And so hopefully when I have an ophthalmologist on the show here 00:10:27.525 --> 00:10:30.945 in a little while, I'll be able to get some insight about that. 00:10:31.140 --> 00:10:33.570 And I think that is just a really interesting. 00:10:33.570 --> 00:10:39.390 Idea to think about, is this going to cause the same sort of eye strain or not? 00:10:40.110 --> 00:10:41.010 We don't know yet. 00:10:41.070 --> 00:10:43.830 certainly there's going to be some research done and people are gonna 00:10:43.830 --> 00:10:47.820 be curious about that, but there is a company that is actually 00:10:47.820 --> 00:10:54.770 using virtual reality to train I don't remember the exact word, but. 00:10:55.400 --> 00:10:57.530 The thing that gives you a lazy eye. 00:10:57.890 --> 00:11:04.220 They're using virtual reality to train that, using headsets like this to make 00:11:04.225 --> 00:11:10.550 it so that kids, don't have that lazy eye problem, which is really fascinating 00:11:10.550 --> 00:11:14.780 because instead of wearing an eye patch, you can watch a show in virtual 00:11:14.780 --> 00:11:19.760 reality goggles for an hour a day, and that takes care of your lazy eye. 00:11:19.760 --> 00:11:20.960 that's pretty amazing, right? 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:23.240 Okay, let's talk about the cost. 00:11:25.010 --> 00:11:26.480 Yes, it's expensive. 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:32.450 $3,500 for a device to put on kids' heads could be considered quite expensive. 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:37.265 And if you're just looking for some virtual reality type thing, there are 00:11:37.280 --> 00:11:42.200 a lot of cheaper solutions out there that probably justify it a lot more. 00:11:43.745 --> 00:11:46.925 I think one of the real advantages here, I also talked about this in my 00:11:46.925 --> 00:11:49.175 productivity episode, from last time. 00:11:50.135 --> 00:11:54.275 One of the real advantages is the apple ecosystem of apps that already exist, 00:11:54.425 --> 00:11:59.616 and there's already tons of apps that are out there, that if you're using them on 00:11:59.770 --> 00:12:05.795 iPads, you could likely use them in much the same way on the Apple Vision Pro. 00:12:06.785 --> 00:12:10.325 The real benefit, I think will be those apps designed specifically 00:12:10.325 --> 00:12:16.565 for the Apple Vision Pro that I am excited to see what is out there. 00:12:16.925 --> 00:12:23.495 On Transformative principle, I had, Vinje on who talked about Florio, how they use 00:12:23.495 --> 00:12:30.005 this virtual reality, had kids with autism interact better with other people and. 00:12:30.845 --> 00:12:36.605 Those kinds of use cases are incredibly powerful because they really get 00:12:36.605 --> 00:12:41.675 at things that are so difficult for us to teach if we are not able to 00:12:41.915 --> 00:12:44.015 go be in that specific situation. 00:12:44.015 --> 00:12:49.745 And they open the doors for, especially people with disabilities where things 00:12:49.775 --> 00:12:51.455 are not usually designed for them. 00:12:51.785 --> 00:12:55.094 And this is a way that you can custom design experiences for them. 00:12:55.094 --> 00:12:57.914 So if you already are using a lot of apps. 00:12:58.304 --> 00:13:03.104 With your students, you will likely be able to find a lot of apps that 00:13:03.104 --> 00:13:08.654 work for the Vision Pro right out of the box, which I think is pretty cool. 00:13:11.414 --> 00:13:13.574 So should you get it for your school? 00:13:14.754 --> 00:13:15.204 I don't know. 00:13:15.584 --> 00:13:19.004 that's up to you decide how old are the kids you're working with, 00:13:19.454 --> 00:13:22.094 how, capable will they be of. 00:13:23.174 --> 00:13:27.644 Managing and dealing with the expensive device that's gonna be on their head. 00:13:27.644 --> 00:13:34.334 How comfortable is it going to be and what kinds of things can you do, with it? 00:13:34.394 --> 00:13:39.079 So let's talk for example, about this app called, jig Space. 00:13:39.449 --> 00:13:41.579 This is the one that you've probably seen that has an F1 00:13:41.579 --> 00:13:44.839 card that you can blow apart and check out and see all this stuff. 00:13:44.839 --> 00:13:47.704 But there's a lot of other things with it that. 00:13:48.979 --> 00:13:57.169 Are really cool and one of them is replacing solenoids on some sort of, 00:13:57.169 --> 00:14:03.619 equipment that I don't even understand what it's there for, but it walks you 00:14:03.624 --> 00:14:10.869 through the whole process of setting that up and looking at it in three dimensions 00:14:10.869 --> 00:14:13.839 and being able to zoom in really big. 00:14:14.959 --> 00:14:23.599 Being able to view it in all these different ways, and it's just really 00:14:23.599 --> 00:14:29.059 amazing and that's the kind of thing that you want to be able to 00:14:29.059 --> 00:14:33.799 do to help your students see what is possible and what they can do with it. 00:14:34.819 --> 00:14:36.529 It really is. 00:14:38.134 --> 00:14:43.854 A powerful thing that I think has a potential to really 00:14:43.854 --> 00:14:46.224 change a lot of education. 00:14:46.254 --> 00:14:51.864 Now, like I've said before, this is not the first virtual reality headset 00:14:51.869 --> 00:14:56.394 that has been introduced, but I think the difference is the ecosystem 00:14:56.394 --> 00:15:01.164 that exists, that Apple already has things that are already out there 00:15:01.464 --> 00:15:03.474 that you can start bringing them in. 00:15:04.524 --> 00:15:07.644 Right away and start experiencing them. 00:15:08.244 --> 00:15:12.264 There is a lot of cool, neat, unique things. 00:15:14.344 --> 00:15:16.584 In my interview with Shannon, Putman. 00:15:16.674 --> 00:15:21.714 Last week we talked about this idea of intrinsic versus extrinsic 00:15:21.714 --> 00:15:26.274 motivation and how you could use this as a way to help motivate kids to get 00:15:26.274 --> 00:15:27.954 things done and do different things. 00:15:28.404 --> 00:15:37.024 And what is cool is that there are, a bunch of apps that already are created and 00:15:37.024 --> 00:15:40.774 designed for the Apple Vision Pro that. 00:15:41.569 --> 00:15:43.279 Could basically be rewards. 00:15:44.139 --> 00:15:51.779 I think one app in particular that you might like, especially in a school 00:15:51.779 --> 00:15:59.009 setting, is an app called Illustrated, and this is an Apple arcade game, and 00:15:59.489 --> 00:16:01.709 it's called a game because it's puzzles. 00:16:02.129 --> 00:16:09.449 But when you go into the app, what you do is you go into a museum. 00:16:09.969 --> 00:16:16.149 the Van Gogh Museum, for example, and you look at all these different pictures 00:16:16.779 --> 00:16:23.229 by Van Gogh and then you put a puzzle piece, you put the puzzles together to 00:16:23.259 --> 00:16:30.559 recreate the pictures and each picture has a story behind it, has descriptions 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:32.689 about what it is so that this really is. 00:16:32.689 --> 00:16:38.299 A learning opportunity for your students, and I think that this is 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:47.109 really powerful to really experience these masterpieces and to learn 00:16:47.109 --> 00:16:49.784 about the stories behind them. 00:16:50.529 --> 00:16:54.459 And that can be fun in and of itself., 00:16:55.499 --> 00:17:00.419 The really cool thing is that so much more is going to come from people's experiences 00:17:00.419 --> 00:17:04.439 designing and developing things specifically for the Apple Vision Pro, 00:17:04.859 --> 00:17:09.209 and this is just going to explode now that people have it in their hands and there's 00:17:09.209 --> 00:17:14.609 going to be so many more different unique ways of doing things that I'm really 00:17:14.609 --> 00:17:16.649 looking forward to what people create. 00:17:16.699 --> 00:17:18.889 If you are using it in schools, reach out to me. 00:17:18.889 --> 00:17:22.999 Let me know that you're doing it and I'd love to chat with you more about it. 00:17:23.264 --> 00:17:23.954 So there you have it. 00:17:23.954 --> 00:17:25.064 Those are my thoughts. 00:17:26.114 --> 00:17:30.764 Two or three days in about whether or not you could get the Apple 00:17:31.034 --> 00:17:33.104 Vision Pro for your school. 00:17:33.884 --> 00:17:35.834 If you have one, reach out to me. 00:17:35.834 --> 00:17:39.014 I'd love to talk to you and love to hear how you're using 00:17:39.014 --> 00:17:40.094 it in your school setting. 00:17:40.424 --> 00:17:43.304 And what that looks like and what your experience is with it. 00:17:43.304 --> 00:17:48.914 So far, I'm at Jethro Jones on all the social networks, and I would love to have 00:17:48.914 --> 00:17:52.394 you come on the show and talk about what you're doing, and if you're using some 00:17:52.394 --> 00:17:54.949 cool apps , please share those with me. 00:17:54.949 --> 00:18:01.609 I'd love to get in and play with those as well and see how they work or don't. 00:18:01.849 --> 00:18:05.119 And thanks again for listening to a Vision for learning. 00:18:06.829 --> 00:18:08.569 Please share this with your friends. 00:18:09.049 --> 00:18:13.639 Go and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. 00:18:13.639 --> 00:18:17.719 Make sure it's five stars and only have nice things to say. 00:18:18.469 --> 00:18:22.009 Appreciate you and we'll see you next time on a vision for learning.