WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.250 --> 00:00:10.500 I'm Travis Bader, and this is the 00:00:10.500 --> 00:00:11.670 Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:15.150 Join me as I discuss matters related to 00:00:15.150 --> 00:00:17.700 hunting, fishing, and outdoor pursuits with the 00:00:17.700 --> 00:00:20.100 people in businesses that comprise the community. 00:00:20.880 --> 00:00:22.770 If you're a new to Silvercore, be sure to 00:00:22.770 --> 00:00:26.560 check out our website, www.silvercore.ca where 00:00:26.729 --> 00:00:29.310 you can learn more about courses, services and 00:00:29.310 --> 00:00:31.500 products that we offer as well as how you can 00:00:31.500 --> 00:00:34.110 join the Silvercore Club, which includes 10 million 00:00:34.110 --> 00:00:36.270 in north America, wide liability insurance, 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:38.610 which ensures you are properly covered during 00:00:38.610 --> 00:00:39.690 your outdoor adventures. 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:45.240 One of the unique prospects of the 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:47.340 Silvercore Podcast is that it allows me to 00:00:47.340 --> 00:00:49.470 share my connections within the outdoors 00:00:49.470 --> 00:00:51.270 and firearms industry with our listeners 00:00:51.270 --> 00:00:53.190 and provide a unique insight into the inner 00:00:53.190 --> 00:00:54.510 workings of the industry. 00:00:55.290 --> 00:00:57.000 Today, I have the pleasure of doing a swap 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.730 cast with someone who you've likely seen his 00:00:59.730 --> 00:01:01.830 work, but yet might not know much about him. 00:01:01.830 --> 00:01:02.460 Personally. 00:01:03.180 --> 00:01:04.800 My guest today is a graduate from 00:01:04.800 --> 00:01:07.440 France's prestigious Sorbonne university 00:01:07.440 --> 00:01:10.170 with a master's in philosophy, anthropology, 00:01:10.170 --> 00:01:11.010 and sociology. 00:01:11.550 --> 00:01:13.590 He has accreditation from George Brown and 00:01:13.590 --> 00:01:16.380 security intelligence, counter intelligence and 00:01:16.380 --> 00:01:18.510 emergency management, and has worked as 00:01:18.520 --> 00:01:21.060 reporter for Bloomberg the Globe and Mail. 00:01:21.420 --> 00:01:23.310 And is the owner and editor of the 00:01:23.310 --> 00:01:24.000 gun blog guts. 00:01:25.050 --> 00:01:28.410 Welcome to the silver court gun blog.ca swap 00:01:28.410 --> 00:01:30.150 cast, Nicolas Johnson, 00:01:31.140 --> 00:01:31.680 Travis. 00:01:31.710 --> 00:01:34.470 It's a real pleasure to be with you and 00:01:34.470 --> 00:01:35.370 to be your guest. 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:37.350 And it gives me great pleasure also in 00:01:37.350 --> 00:01:40.470 this swap cast to be interviewing you the 00:01:40.470 --> 00:01:43.830 founder and owner of Silvercore and getting 00:01:43.830 --> 00:01:46.080 to know more about you as a, as an individual 00:01:46.230 --> 00:01:48.000 and as a businessman and so much more, 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.900 I guess, you know, to get things rolling here. 00:01:52.350 --> 00:01:57.480 I'm curious about the gun blog.ca and sort of what 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:02.820 motivated you to get into such a niche industry. 00:02:04.530 --> 00:02:05.700 This is taking me back though. 00:02:05.700 --> 00:02:06.330 I love the question. 00:02:06.330 --> 00:02:07.200 It's a simple question. 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.090 And you know that sometimes the simplest 00:02:09.090 --> 00:02:10.380 questions are the hardest, because 00:02:10.380 --> 00:02:12.090 I want to get back into the motivation. 00:02:12.090 --> 00:02:12.660 I started it. 00:02:12.750 --> 00:02:18.420 I went, I went live on January 4th, 2015, and 00:02:18.420 --> 00:02:22.920 at the time, what really motivated me was what I 00:02:22.920 --> 00:02:24.720 felt was, uh, an impact. 00:02:25.635 --> 00:02:29.355 In the media, I was deep into self-defense 00:02:29.385 --> 00:02:32.535 and concealed carry and or discrete carry 00:02:32.535 --> 00:02:34.275 and personal protection in terms of like 00:02:34.275 --> 00:02:35.895 philosophically, I've never had to do it, 00:02:35.895 --> 00:02:37.935 but I was interested in those, those concepts 00:02:37.935 --> 00:02:40.035 and learning the techniques and as a 00:02:40.035 --> 00:02:42.795 gun owner, and I had recently got my firearm 00:02:42.795 --> 00:02:44.295 license, my possession and acquisition 00:02:44.295 --> 00:02:46.005 license in Canada, I'm based in Toronto. 00:02:46.665 --> 00:02:48.375 And I just felt that there was an 00:02:48.375 --> 00:02:51.225 incredible anti-gun bias in the media, in 00:02:51.225 --> 00:02:52.575 politics, in policy. 00:02:52.815 --> 00:02:54.615 And I want it to be a counter narrative, you 00:02:54.615 --> 00:02:57.255 know, I wanted to start, uh, just basically give 00:02:57.465 --> 00:03:00.165 an opinion that I felt was not being reflected 00:03:00.495 --> 00:03:02.835 their perspective of a recreational 00:03:02.835 --> 00:03:04.965 firearm user, who yeah. 00:03:04.995 --> 00:03:07.125 I felt that perspective was not being reflected 00:03:07.125 --> 00:03:08.925 and I wanted to offer, I wanted to offer it 00:03:10.815 --> 00:03:13.275 interesting because that's honestly, that's 00:03:13.275 --> 00:03:15.585 similar to why I started the Silvercore podcast. 00:03:16.275 --> 00:03:19.575 I just look at an industry that has 00:03:19.575 --> 00:03:21.645 such a social stigma behind it and a 00:03:21.645 --> 00:03:22.935 negative social stigma. 00:03:23.175 --> 00:03:26.235 And I want it to be able to provide a voice for 00:03:26.235 --> 00:03:29.954 the industry and for, uh, firearms owners 00:03:29.954 --> 00:03:32.115 and outdoor enthusiasts said basically just 00:03:32.115 --> 00:03:34.575 shared their passion with others, which 00:03:34.575 --> 00:03:38.565 normalizes the process of loving the outdoors 00:03:38.565 --> 00:03:41.805 and what it entails and all that entails within 00:03:41.805 --> 00:03:42.885 the firearms industry. 00:03:42.915 --> 00:03:45.495 So I've, I've never gotten kind of 00:03:45.585 --> 00:03:48.345 into the political realm or sphere. 00:03:48.615 --> 00:03:51.465 Uh, not nearly to the degree that you have. 00:03:52.215 --> 00:03:54.614 With the podcast, because I've always wanted to 00:03:54.614 --> 00:03:57.345 showcase the positivity, or if we're going to 00:03:57.345 --> 00:03:59.954 talk about something that somehow has negative 00:03:59.954 --> 00:04:02.114 connotations, find a positive way to be able 00:04:02.114 --> 00:04:04.665 to wrap it up or some sort of summation on it. 00:04:04.815 --> 00:04:07.545 But do you find, do you find that you're 00:04:07.545 --> 00:04:09.975 achieving what you're hoping to get out 00:04:09.975 --> 00:04:11.774 of the gun blog in the last, what was 00:04:11.774 --> 00:04:12.765 2015 you started? 00:04:12.855 --> 00:04:13.155 Yeah. 00:04:13.155 --> 00:04:15.584 So we're coming up to finishing 00:04:15.584 --> 00:04:16.245 the seventh year. 00:04:18.855 --> 00:04:19.515 It's a question. 00:04:19.515 --> 00:04:19.635 Yeah. 00:04:19.635 --> 00:04:20.805 And that's, that's also the key question. 00:04:20.805 --> 00:04:22.815 Like, are you, are you achieving the dream that 00:04:22.815 --> 00:04:24.534 you're asking me or am I achieving the objective? 00:04:24.555 --> 00:04:24.855 Yeah. 00:04:25.094 --> 00:04:27.405 Yes and no, I guess following that, that 00:04:27.405 --> 00:04:28.935 was my conscious objective, but I like 00:04:28.935 --> 00:04:29.925 a lot of projects. 00:04:30.255 --> 00:04:32.955 There is a lot of other stuff that I realized 00:04:32.955 --> 00:04:34.515 subsequently, oh, I'm also trying to do this. 00:04:34.515 --> 00:04:35.534 And I'm also trying to do that. 00:04:35.544 --> 00:04:37.094 I was also trying to hit play and discover 00:04:37.094 --> 00:04:39.284 and have fun and, and practice this and learn 00:04:39.284 --> 00:04:44.115 that the, the, it took me also several years 00:04:44.115 --> 00:04:46.485 to get to what you just said, which is I want 00:04:46.485 --> 00:04:48.405 to focus on the positive for a few years there. 00:04:48.405 --> 00:04:51.344 I got really political and, and, um, it 00:04:51.344 --> 00:04:53.685 almost became a very political, very policy 00:04:53.685 --> 00:04:57.885 focused and very much focused on stopping the 00:04:57.885 --> 00:05:01.065 aunties as opposed to promoting the beauty and 00:05:01.065 --> 00:05:02.325 benefits of our side. 00:05:02.475 --> 00:05:04.155 And I think there's much more powerful and much 00:05:04.155 --> 00:05:06.555 more power, much more satisfaction talking 00:05:06.555 --> 00:05:08.895 about the good stuff that you want to do versus 00:05:08.895 --> 00:05:11.505 the bad stuff that your, your opponents are doing. 00:05:11.955 --> 00:05:13.544 So have I achieved? 00:05:13.544 --> 00:05:15.135 I believe I have achieved. 00:05:16.260 --> 00:05:19.590 I believe I do offer a vocabulary, a way of 00:05:19.590 --> 00:05:22.770 thinking a position, a stand for personal gun 00:05:22.770 --> 00:05:25.860 ownership and a stand in the way of people 00:05:25.860 --> 00:05:28.469 who want to eliminate personal gun ownership. 00:05:28.500 --> 00:05:31.800 I believe I have advanced, obviously 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:33.390 there's still a lot of work to be done 00:05:33.390 --> 00:05:35.250 that the, the, the fight's not over, but 00:05:35.250 --> 00:05:37.890 I believe I have from, I believe I have raised 00:05:37.890 --> 00:05:40.290 some consciousness and changed some minds 00:05:40.290 --> 00:05:45.060 and gotten people to, to think differently 00:05:45.060 --> 00:05:45.750 about the issue. 00:05:45.750 --> 00:05:47.070 Let's say, Hmm. 00:05:47.850 --> 00:05:50.130 You know, when I look at different firearms 00:05:50.130 --> 00:05:54.659 forums and they have categories of different 00:05:54.659 --> 00:05:58.710 topics, the politics section are typically the 00:05:58.710 --> 00:06:01.500 ones that have the most amount of activity in it. 00:06:01.770 --> 00:06:05.670 So from a editorial standpoint, writing about 00:06:05.670 --> 00:06:08.250 things of a political nature for firearms, I 00:06:08.250 --> 00:06:11.130 would think would be a sure-fire way to ensure 00:06:11.130 --> 00:06:14.490 that you have maximum interest or engagement, 00:06:14.820 --> 00:06:19.200 but it can also be an extremely negative arena 00:06:19.260 --> 00:06:20.640 to be playing in as well. 00:06:20.789 --> 00:06:23.909 So how do you kind of balance that dichotomy 00:06:23.909 --> 00:06:26.400 between wanting to have the maximum engagement 00:06:26.400 --> 00:06:28.020 and have those people kind of looking at 00:06:28.020 --> 00:06:30.990 it and the fact that politics isn't always 00:06:30.990 --> 00:06:33.409 the, uh, the most fun place to be, to be. 00:06:34.365 --> 00:06:36.795 Yeah, I, I, I'm going to, um, I would like, 00:06:36.825 --> 00:06:38.805 I w everything you're asking me, I want to ask 00:06:38.805 --> 00:06:39.705 you back, so get ready. 00:06:39.705 --> 00:06:40.185 It's coming. 00:06:40.215 --> 00:06:40.605 Oh, 00:06:42.105 --> 00:06:46.395 the, the, I think what I believe now is that 00:06:46.995 --> 00:06:50.385 whatever niche you choose to go into, no matter 00:06:50.385 --> 00:06:53.355 how micro that niche is, you will attract 00:06:53.355 --> 00:06:55.034 the other people who are interested in that niche. 00:06:55.065 --> 00:06:57.885 And I think that, yeah, so if you're, if you're 00:06:57.885 --> 00:07:01.005 writing a blog focused on firearm politics 00:07:01.005 --> 00:07:03.435 in Canada, or a video channel or a podcast or 00:07:03.435 --> 00:07:05.505 whatever it is, if you're focused on gun politics 00:07:05.505 --> 00:07:07.405 in Canada, you will find other people who 00:07:07.405 --> 00:07:08.385 were attracted to that. 00:07:08.775 --> 00:07:12.105 And you probably will alienate people who are 00:07:12.105 --> 00:07:13.095 not interested in that. 00:07:13.875 --> 00:07:17.175 And I found in my case, I don't know. 00:07:17.175 --> 00:07:19.305 I think I got interested in the politics. 00:07:19.425 --> 00:07:21.315 In fact, I've just gotten, I've just gone. 00:07:21.345 --> 00:07:22.784 I'm just losing interest in the politics. 00:07:22.784 --> 00:07:25.425 I'm so turned off by, by what's happening now. 00:07:25.425 --> 00:07:28.245 And that I'm actually losing interest in 00:07:28.245 --> 00:07:31.005 politics and get trying to move the blog in a 00:07:31.005 --> 00:07:32.475 different direction, move what I do in a 00:07:32.475 --> 00:07:33.284 different direction. 00:07:33.495 --> 00:07:35.505 But the politics is also nasty. 00:07:35.505 --> 00:07:36.975 It gets mean, and people have very 00:07:36.975 --> 00:07:38.295 strong convictions. 00:07:38.745 --> 00:07:40.784 And when I would talk about certain 00:07:40.784 --> 00:07:43.125 topics, whether it was, uh, interviewing 00:07:43.125 --> 00:07:44.195 the, the, the. 00:07:44.924 --> 00:07:47.174 Manager of ships or Canada, or doing 00:07:47.174 --> 00:07:49.125 something about, about hunting or a 00:07:49.125 --> 00:07:50.054 competitive shooter. 00:07:50.354 --> 00:07:51.914 There's not, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't get 00:07:51.914 --> 00:07:53.744 a lot of, um, it doesn't get a lot of views. 00:07:53.744 --> 00:07:55.244 Doesn't get a lot of attraction, but if I 00:07:55.244 --> 00:07:56.864 write something about what the liberals are 00:07:56.864 --> 00:07:59.025 up to lately, oh my God, people get really 00:07:59.025 --> 00:08:00.885 excited and I get lots of emails back. 00:08:01.515 --> 00:08:04.094 And the risk is, uh, I'm curious to hear also 00:08:04.094 --> 00:08:06.645 your point of view, the risk is that, oh, that's 00:08:06.645 --> 00:08:07.515 where I get the feedback. 00:08:07.515 --> 00:08:08.744 That's where I get the validation. 00:08:08.744 --> 00:08:10.515 So that's, that's kind of an incentive to 00:08:10.515 --> 00:08:11.505 go in that direction. 00:08:11.955 --> 00:08:13.244 And that's what that's, what's getting 00:08:13.244 --> 00:08:13.844 the page views. 00:08:13.844 --> 00:08:15.674 And if, if you're, you know, we like to get page 00:08:15.674 --> 00:08:17.474 views or downloads or whatever your metric is 00:08:18.375 --> 00:08:20.145 that you go in the way of your audience, you go, 00:08:20.145 --> 00:08:23.205 you follow your audience to some extent, and it's 00:08:23.205 --> 00:08:24.765 taken a lot of me heart. 00:08:24.854 --> 00:08:27.825 Um, but we can discuss that more, but that's 00:08:28.155 --> 00:08:30.195 yeah, so it got very political for a while 00:08:30.195 --> 00:08:31.905 and I'm actually trying to move away from that. 00:08:32.265 --> 00:08:34.574 And I have a paywall and I'm keeping the 00:08:34.574 --> 00:08:35.174 political stuff. 00:08:35.174 --> 00:08:37.155 Like I still care about politics and I still want 00:08:37.155 --> 00:08:39.674 my, my members to know about what's happening 00:08:39.674 --> 00:08:41.174 and they still want to know, but I'm putting 00:08:41.174 --> 00:08:42.105 that behind the paywall. 00:08:42.105 --> 00:08:44.444 So it's not, it's not front and center. 00:08:46.275 --> 00:08:46.425 Yeah. 00:08:46.425 --> 00:08:47.115 That makes sense. 00:08:47.865 --> 00:08:50.714 Well, I'd like to ask you, um, tell 00:08:50.714 --> 00:08:51.705 me about Silvercore. 00:08:51.724 --> 00:08:55.035 I, I, I'm realizing I'm embarrassed to 00:08:55.035 --> 00:08:57.885 admit how little I know about this incredible 00:08:57.885 --> 00:08:59.385 company that you run. 00:09:00.735 --> 00:09:02.714 We're a small company out of the lower mainland 00:09:02.714 --> 00:09:07.875 of BC and it started at around what I in 1994. 00:09:08.670 --> 00:09:11.760 Providing basic firearm safety course training 00:09:11.760 --> 00:09:12.660 to the general public. 00:09:12.660 --> 00:09:14.189 And that was when the program first 00:09:14.189 --> 00:09:14.910 came into play. 00:09:15.390 --> 00:09:19.439 And I was still in high school and I, I 00:09:20.640 --> 00:09:22.560 was working for a few different companies. 00:09:22.590 --> 00:09:24.720 Uh, I was a general manager at an auction 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:25.920 house for a short bit. 00:09:25.920 --> 00:09:27.750 I was working for an armor car company 00:09:27.750 --> 00:09:30.480 and I've always been entrepreneurial minded. 00:09:30.630 --> 00:09:33.420 You know, uh, first jobs I had was in 00:09:33.660 --> 00:09:36.240 grade four grade five, I would perform magic 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.069 and kids birthday parties for other 00:09:38.069 --> 00:09:39.150 kids' birthday parties. 00:09:39.150 --> 00:09:39.400 Right. 00:09:39.400 --> 00:09:42.930 And, or I would mow lawns for real estate agents 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:46.079 prior to their showings of their houses or even 00:09:46.079 --> 00:09:48.150 working for let's say the armored car company. 00:09:48.689 --> 00:09:52.470 I ended up taking a look at everything outside of 00:09:52.470 --> 00:09:55.410 what my actual job role was because I tend to 00:09:55.410 --> 00:09:58.770 get bored quite quickly and find other areas 00:09:58.949 --> 00:09:59.910 that I can do work. 00:09:59.910 --> 00:10:01.410 And I started with welding up their 00:10:01.410 --> 00:10:02.400 hand trucks for them. 00:10:02.699 --> 00:10:04.860 I had never welded a hand truck in my life, right. 00:10:04.920 --> 00:10:07.620 Nor had I ever welded aluminum that thickness 00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:10.920 before, but I, uh, talk them into giving 00:10:10.920 --> 00:10:15.449 me a chance and that proceeded into the next 00:10:15.449 --> 00:10:17.189 step, which was, well, he got all these guns 00:10:17.189 --> 00:10:18.120 hanging on your wall. 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:20.970 You have people that come in and service 00:10:20.970 --> 00:10:22.829 your vehicles on a regular basis. 00:10:23.339 --> 00:10:25.470 What kind of maintenance program do you have 00:10:25.470 --> 00:10:26.189 for your firearm? 00:10:27.105 --> 00:10:30.165 And that sent me down to Springfield, 00:10:30.165 --> 00:10:33.225 Massachusetts, and got trained up at the Smith 00:10:33.225 --> 00:10:35.204 and Western academy and through the armor 00:10:35.204 --> 00:10:37.964 school and started doing repair and maintenance 00:10:37.964 --> 00:10:40.095 just for the company that I was working for. 00:10:40.275 --> 00:10:43.665 And they had branches across BC and I started 00:10:43.665 --> 00:10:45.735 doing more branches and then Alberta 00:10:45.735 --> 00:10:48.375 and Saskatchewan and Manitoba and Ontario. 00:10:48.375 --> 00:10:50.954 And then at one point I think almost every 00:10:50.954 --> 00:10:52.785 single armored car company in BC, I was 00:10:52.785 --> 00:10:54.885 doing their repair and maintenance for. 00:10:55.725 --> 00:10:58.515 So I said, maybe I want to be a gunsmith. 00:10:59.115 --> 00:11:01.995 I started up Silvercore gun works and was doing 00:11:01.995 --> 00:11:05.355 the teaching on the side and started picking up a 00:11:05.355 --> 00:11:07.755 work with law enforcement agencies they'll have 00:11:07.755 --> 00:11:10.905 their own arbors on staff, but if they 00:11:10.905 --> 00:11:13.125 needed extended work done that their armor didn't 00:11:13.125 --> 00:11:15.765 have the tooling for, or the, the background 00:11:15.765 --> 00:11:18.314 into being able to do and land on my table. 00:11:18.704 --> 00:11:23.415 So, uh, around 2003, I, uh, I incorporated 00:11:23.795 --> 00:11:25.635 Silvercore training. 00:11:25.725 --> 00:11:27.525 I was doing silver court gun works as a 00:11:27.525 --> 00:11:30.495 sole proprietorship before that and sort 00:11:30.495 --> 00:11:31.574 of never looked back. 00:11:33.585 --> 00:11:38.265 And today Silvercore is the leader in its field. 00:11:39.915 --> 00:11:40.335 We are. 00:11:40.455 --> 00:11:40.755 Yeah. 00:11:41.115 --> 00:11:42.615 And that's, that's in Canada. 00:11:42.615 --> 00:11:44.505 That's a pretty big, uh, like just from 00:11:44.505 --> 00:11:46.335 what your website says, you do everything from 00:11:46.845 --> 00:11:48.915 training, people who want to get their gun 00:11:48.915 --> 00:11:50.175 license or their pal. 00:11:50.175 --> 00:11:52.185 So the Canadian firearm safety course training 00:11:52.335 --> 00:11:54.315 civilians, you also train police and 00:11:54.315 --> 00:11:56.835 law enforcement and conservation officers. 00:11:57.105 --> 00:11:59.565 You have the podcast, you have gunsmithing, 00:11:59.565 --> 00:12:01.695 you have, what am I forgetting? 00:12:02.745 --> 00:12:05.085 You know, and we do work with the courts. 00:12:05.085 --> 00:12:07.065 So I'm a subject matter expert for 00:12:07.095 --> 00:12:10.365 the courts, both, um, uh, crown counsel 00:12:10.365 --> 00:12:11.385 and defense counsel. 00:12:11.475 --> 00:12:15.585 And, um, the training is sort of the primary 00:12:15.585 --> 00:12:16.965 crux of what we do. 00:12:17.655 --> 00:12:20.205 Uh, and when you say, you know, leader in, in 00:12:20.205 --> 00:12:23.685 the industry, we are, I, I, I carved out a niche 00:12:23.745 --> 00:12:26.985 where there, when did not exist before in Canada. 00:12:27.495 --> 00:12:29.475 Uh, but you know, it's like saying that 00:12:29.475 --> 00:12:31.395 I'm president of the cracker factory, right? 00:12:31.425 --> 00:12:35.565 It's a big fish in a small barrel it's I 00:12:35.865 --> 00:12:38.805 it's nothing that I'd be getting too, uh, uh, 00:12:38.835 --> 00:12:41.955 too excited over myself about, but it has allowed 00:12:41.955 --> 00:12:46.155 me to explore new ways to be able to communicate 00:12:46.155 --> 00:12:49.125 with people because all, all teaching is, is 00:12:49.125 --> 00:12:52.875 basically conveying an idea to others in a way 00:12:52.875 --> 00:12:56.535 that they're able to, uh, readily accept it. 00:12:56.565 --> 00:12:58.905 And if it's, doesn't stand up to a challenge 00:12:58.905 --> 00:13:00.555 and you have to take a look at what your idea 00:13:00.555 --> 00:13:03.675 is that you're conveying, uh, whether it's, it's 00:13:03.705 --> 00:13:04.875 a good idea or not. 00:13:04.935 --> 00:13:09.540 And, uh, Or how you convey that information. 00:13:10.050 --> 00:13:13.380 So, uh, yes, we are the leader in, in what we do. 00:13:13.410 --> 00:13:14.939 We do firearms, repair and maintenance. 00:13:14.969 --> 00:13:18.420 We do training programs for DFO ministry of 00:13:18.420 --> 00:13:22.800 forests, um, uh, parks, um, armored car company. 00:13:22.800 --> 00:13:24.810 So we do use of force and firearms training. 00:13:24.810 --> 00:13:26.459 If you're going to be carrying a firearm 00:13:26.459 --> 00:13:30.150 for the, uh, defense of your life or, or a 00:13:30.150 --> 00:13:32.339 third party, somebody else, we provide that 00:13:32.339 --> 00:13:35.069 training, um, mineral exploration industry, 00:13:35.189 --> 00:13:38.640 uh cartographers and geological survey Canada. 00:13:38.670 --> 00:13:40.469 I mean, we've got a lot of people that, 00:13:40.859 --> 00:13:43.980 uh, use firearms for their employment 00:13:43.980 --> 00:13:45.089 on a daily basis. 00:13:45.150 --> 00:13:46.500 The film industry is a big one. 00:13:46.510 --> 00:13:49.439 Do a lot of people in the lower mainland required, 00:13:49.439 --> 00:13:51.750 just basic training and safety within the film. 00:13:51.750 --> 00:13:51.810 Yeah. 00:13:54.465 --> 00:13:55.635 Yeah, that's, it's huge. 00:13:55.725 --> 00:13:56.385 I got ask. 00:13:56.475 --> 00:13:59.055 Um, I think I first came across Silvercore when 00:13:59.055 --> 00:14:00.915 I was a, for myself. 00:14:00.915 --> 00:14:03.765 I was looking for who does, uh, I don't 00:14:03.765 --> 00:14:05.475 like the name, but tactical or defensive 00:14:05.475 --> 00:14:09.195 or protective training for civilians in Canada. 00:14:09.225 --> 00:14:10.395 And there's tons of places in the 00:14:10.395 --> 00:14:11.715 us, but I couldn't. 00:14:11.715 --> 00:14:14.805 The list in Canada was very small and you were 00:14:15.405 --> 00:14:18.225 one of the people who I thought was on that list. 00:14:18.595 --> 00:14:19.905 That's, that's how I first came 00:14:19.905 --> 00:14:20.355 across the name. 00:14:20.355 --> 00:14:20.755 Silvercore. 00:14:20.775 --> 00:14:25.395 And why is the, why is the market for civilian? 00:14:25.935 --> 00:14:27.015 I don't know if you have a better name for 00:14:27.015 --> 00:14:29.355 it, but I'll call it defensive, uh, civilian. 00:14:29.505 --> 00:14:30.735 Well, first of all, there's very few 00:14:30.735 --> 00:14:33.075 courses after the preliminary pal course, 00:14:33.075 --> 00:14:35.025 the pal possession acquisition license. 00:14:35.055 --> 00:14:37.425 After that, there are very few courses 00:14:37.425 --> 00:14:39.345 that I've been able to find at all. 00:14:39.705 --> 00:14:43.155 And when you talk about protection or defense, 00:14:43.155 --> 00:14:45.765 it's like, there's almost nothing I'm curious to. 00:14:45.795 --> 00:14:46.695 Why is that right? 00:14:47.985 --> 00:14:49.485 I think there's a few reasons for that. 00:14:49.725 --> 00:14:52.435 Like in Canada, particularly in the 00:14:52.665 --> 00:14:54.945 states, firearms ownership is enshrined 00:14:54.945 --> 00:14:57.165 in their, their right, their constitutional 00:14:57.165 --> 00:14:57.765 rights, right. 00:14:58.425 --> 00:15:01.155 Uh, in Canada, it's not considered a 00:15:01.155 --> 00:15:03.915 right, but rather a privilege and firearms 00:15:03.915 --> 00:15:06.405 owners are reminded on a routine basis that 00:15:06.405 --> 00:15:08.265 this is a privilege that can be taken away. 00:15:08.265 --> 00:15:08.595 Right. 00:15:09.255 --> 00:15:13.335 And if you start talking about, um, you, you 00:15:13.335 --> 00:15:17.325 say tactical training, well, that's always 00:15:17.445 --> 00:15:19.765 something, even from the beginning of Silvercore 00:15:19.785 --> 00:15:21.605 that stuck in the back of my head is something. 00:15:22.589 --> 00:15:25.680 I didn't like the word or the connotation 00:15:25.680 --> 00:15:26.609 of tactical. 00:15:26.910 --> 00:15:28.380 Like it used to be back in the day, if 00:15:28.380 --> 00:15:31.500 you wanted to sell a rifle, they would 00:15:31.500 --> 00:15:32.579 put the word varmint. 00:15:32.579 --> 00:15:33.810 This is a varmint rifle. 00:15:33.959 --> 00:15:36.390 And the connotation behind that was that 00:15:36.390 --> 00:15:39.449 you can shoot small objects or small game 00:15:39.449 --> 00:15:40.530 at a far distance. 00:15:40.530 --> 00:15:41.640 And it was very accurate. 00:15:41.699 --> 00:15:43.050 I've got to get this environment and gun, 00:15:43.290 --> 00:15:46.650 and that was a great marketing term and then 00:15:46.859 --> 00:15:49.709 came tactical and they started just throwing 00:15:49.709 --> 00:15:51.329 the word tactical behind everything. 00:15:51.359 --> 00:15:53.780 Hey, we painted the black, it's now tactical. 00:15:53.790 --> 00:15:55.469 Well, tactics got nothing to do with 00:15:55.469 --> 00:15:56.370 what you purchase. 00:15:56.760 --> 00:15:58.709 And it's got everything to do with how you 00:15:58.709 --> 00:16:02.069 apply your mindset to a certain situation. 00:16:02.069 --> 00:16:03.569 And tactics will change based on the 00:16:03.569 --> 00:16:04.920 different situation you're going to be in. 00:16:05.880 --> 00:16:09.030 And so I was always kind of shy about using that 00:16:09.030 --> 00:16:11.760 marketing term, cause I didn't think it properly 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.790 relayed what we do that. 00:16:14.910 --> 00:16:17.069 And when we're working with law enforcement 00:16:17.069 --> 00:16:20.130 agencies, there is an overriding thought 00:16:20.579 --> 00:16:23.640 that they don't want to be teaching tactics 00:16:23.699 --> 00:16:24.870 to the general public. 00:16:25.050 --> 00:16:26.760 They don't want to have the general public 00:16:26.760 --> 00:16:30.060 knowing something that they do, which 00:16:30.060 --> 00:16:32.069 can then in turn be used against them. 00:16:32.430 --> 00:16:34.619 So we've got law enforcement, firearms 00:16:34.619 --> 00:16:36.839 instructors, or work on staff and some feel very 00:16:36.839 --> 00:16:37.770 strongly about this. 00:16:37.770 --> 00:16:41.130 And my mindset on that has always been why don't 00:16:41.130 --> 00:16:43.410 we just teach somebody how to use a firearm 00:16:43.560 --> 00:16:47.280 proficiently and that can be applied to a 00:16:47.280 --> 00:16:50.339 sporting situation, which is socially acceptable 00:16:50.339 --> 00:16:51.480 here in Canada or. 00:16:52.350 --> 00:16:56.430 Applied to a, um, a workplace situation, 00:16:56.460 --> 00:16:59.790 which would in turn require somebody to 00:17:00.420 --> 00:17:01.590 think about tactics. 00:17:01.950 --> 00:17:03.600 If they're going to be using this firearm, 00:17:04.470 --> 00:17:07.859 my thinking on, and I've, I've never agreed 00:17:08.010 --> 00:17:08.849 with that mindset. 00:17:08.849 --> 00:17:10.710 I don't want to teach tactics to the general 00:17:10.710 --> 00:17:13.710 public because anybody who's got access to 00:17:13.710 --> 00:17:16.380 the internet and can go onto YouTube, can 00:17:16.380 --> 00:17:17.160 learn everything. 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.980 And more that the police are learning right now. 00:17:20.339 --> 00:17:22.050 I mean, the information is out there. 00:17:22.800 --> 00:17:24.750 And the other thought I always had was if the 00:17:24.750 --> 00:17:28.800 tactics of a, an agency is going to deploy 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:32.040 in order to protect others or protect 00:17:32.040 --> 00:17:36.120 themselves is such that it would fall apart. 00:17:36.300 --> 00:17:38.130 If anybody else kind of knew or had an 00:17:38.130 --> 00:17:39.300 inclination of what they're going to 00:17:39.300 --> 00:17:42.000 do, maybe it's time to reassess that 00:17:42.030 --> 00:17:43.740 tactics, those tactics. 00:17:44.490 --> 00:17:48.540 And it's sort of like, um, it's sort of like 00:17:48.540 --> 00:17:50.820 having a, an argument or a disagreement 00:17:50.820 --> 00:17:51.390 with somebody. 00:17:51.630 --> 00:17:53.820 If you've got your position and they've 00:17:53.820 --> 00:17:55.470 got their position, or even, let's say you want 00:17:55.470 --> 00:17:58.020 to negotiate to some sort of a, uh, common 00:17:58.020 --> 00:18:01.020 ground having a whole bunch of tricks in your 00:18:01.020 --> 00:18:04.050 back pocket doesn't necessarily mean that 00:18:04.050 --> 00:18:05.820 you are going to be the big winner at the end 00:18:05.820 --> 00:18:07.620 of the day, especially if that other person 00:18:07.620 --> 00:18:08.460 learns those tricks. 00:18:08.460 --> 00:18:10.200 And then you're back to it, mind you, if 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.030 you have a framework that everybody knows 00:18:12.030 --> 00:18:13.710 about and they're were aware of, and they 00:18:13.710 --> 00:18:16.590 know if this happens, we're going to do this. 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:18.390 They kind of know the process through it. 00:18:18.930 --> 00:18:21.210 Um, it will allow. 00:18:22.004 --> 00:18:24.764 Both of the people in the, in the dispute to 00:18:24.764 --> 00:18:27.225 be able to more quickly come to a common ground. 00:18:27.435 --> 00:18:30.525 I don't know if that's the best, um, analogy, 00:18:30.555 --> 00:18:32.415 but you know, just talking here off the top 00:18:32.415 --> 00:18:36.105 of my head, if we were in a tactical situation and 00:18:36.105 --> 00:18:40.004 you were doing something that, uh, would elicit a 00:18:40.004 --> 00:18:43.185 response from me, maybe you wouldn't do that. 00:18:43.185 --> 00:18:44.775 Something knowing full well that the next 00:18:44.775 --> 00:18:46.275 step is that response. 00:18:46.455 --> 00:18:48.764 And maybe we can come to some sort of a resolution 00:18:48.764 --> 00:18:49.725 that's more favorable. 00:18:50.504 --> 00:18:52.035 I don't know, maybe a bit off topic, 00:18:52.605 --> 00:18:53.985 but it's interesting as you're saying that 00:18:53.985 --> 00:18:54.975 I'm thinking of vac. 00:18:55.004 --> 00:18:56.325 So again, just it's, I'm going to be 00:18:56.325 --> 00:18:57.135 perfectly upfront here. 00:18:57.135 --> 00:18:59.895 I make no claims to be gun slinging, 00:18:59.895 --> 00:19:02.504 whatever I've, uh, internet commando, or 00:19:02.504 --> 00:19:04.365 armchair armchair, a commander, whatever 00:19:04.365 --> 00:19:04.875 you want to call it. 00:19:05.175 --> 00:19:08.285 A few hundred hours of, of what in the, in 00:19:08.285 --> 00:19:09.945 the industry is called defensive training, 00:19:10.635 --> 00:19:13.695 unforced on forests and judgment and, um, 00:19:14.085 --> 00:19:16.245 and, uh, various drills and stuff that, that 00:19:16.245 --> 00:19:17.985 you'd find in, in a, in a commercial school 00:19:17.985 --> 00:19:19.065 available to civilians. 00:19:19.965 --> 00:19:22.845 And I know that that for me, it was, it 00:19:22.845 --> 00:19:23.685 really changed my life. 00:19:23.685 --> 00:19:25.335 First of all, it opened me to concepts 00:19:25.335 --> 00:19:27.705 and considerations that I never 00:19:27.975 --> 00:19:28.605 would've thought of. 00:19:28.605 --> 00:19:30.285 Cause that whole world was brand new to me. 00:19:30.675 --> 00:19:33.995 And I find that it was also very humbling and I 00:19:34.004 --> 00:19:35.955 got a guy who, you know, I've studied, uh, armed 00:19:35.955 --> 00:19:37.004 and unarmed fighting. 00:19:37.335 --> 00:19:40.095 And as I've gotten older and wiser, what really 00:19:40.095 --> 00:19:42.555 has happened was I want to avoid the, the 00:19:42.555 --> 00:19:43.425 principle of avoiding. 00:19:44.235 --> 00:19:46.485 Has really, once you know, this stuff works, 00:19:46.485 --> 00:19:48.195 you kind of like, you know, I'd rather do 00:19:48.195 --> 00:19:51.165 anything at all possible to avoid using the 00:19:51.165 --> 00:19:54.945 stuff because no one ends up there's no, no 00:19:54.945 --> 00:19:56.025 one, there's no winner. 00:19:56.025 --> 00:19:59.145 And I find that's part of the, the mindset, I 00:19:59.145 --> 00:20:01.065 guess, beyond the, we love talking about the 00:20:01.065 --> 00:20:02.745 gear and the tactics and running and gunning. 00:20:02.745 --> 00:20:04.995 That's a lot of fun, but actually for me, what's 00:20:04.995 --> 00:20:07.095 more, most interesting in my own discovery 00:20:07.095 --> 00:20:11.175 has been how my mindset has shifted and, and 00:20:11.565 --> 00:20:14.265 yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I've mostly 00:20:14.265 --> 00:20:15.675 had to do that stuff in the United States 00:20:15.675 --> 00:20:17.625 because that market, as far as what I've been 00:20:17.625 --> 00:20:19.605 able to find, when I looked did not exist 00:20:19.605 --> 00:20:20.625 in Canada and I get it. 00:20:22.455 --> 00:20:24.525 And you know, in the United States, there's 00:20:24.525 --> 00:20:27.495 also a, like I've set up before everyone and 00:20:27.495 --> 00:20:29.445 their grandma owns a gun in the United States, 00:20:29.505 --> 00:20:33.855 the firearms ownership doesn't hold the level 00:20:33.915 --> 00:20:36.615 of, um, perceived. 00:20:37.515 --> 00:20:39.615 I don't, I can't even think of the right word 00:20:39.615 --> 00:20:42.405 or the, the perceived glory that it seems 00:20:42.405 --> 00:20:44.205 to do in, in Canada. 00:20:44.655 --> 00:20:48.405 Um, people go through a firearm safety 00:20:48.405 --> 00:20:50.175 course, they get their firearms license. 00:20:50.175 --> 00:20:51.285 They have criminal records checks, they 00:20:51.285 --> 00:20:52.275 have background checks. 00:20:52.275 --> 00:20:54.555 They, they now have special authorization 00:20:54.555 --> 00:20:56.505 to go pick up a, a handgun, which they 00:20:56.505 --> 00:20:58.575 can only use in certain places or a restricted 00:20:58.575 --> 00:21:00.195 finding that they can use in certain places. 00:21:00.195 --> 00:21:02.295 And each one of these steps is a, 00:21:03.465 --> 00:21:05.355 it's a barrier to firearms ownership. 00:21:05.385 --> 00:21:06.855 But when you achieve these things, there's 00:21:06.855 --> 00:21:09.585 some people who will look at that as look at how 00:21:09.585 --> 00:21:12.075 special I am, because of all these things that 00:21:12.075 --> 00:21:13.005 I'm able to achieve. 00:21:13.935 --> 00:21:16.544 Y you don't tend to see that in the states. 00:21:16.935 --> 00:21:21.315 Um, not, not when anyone can just go 00:21:21.315 --> 00:21:23.175 out and purchase a firearm state-by-state 00:21:23.175 --> 00:21:23.925 dependent, right. 00:21:24.284 --> 00:21:26.235 Um, have the driver's license screen, 00:21:26.264 --> 00:21:28.815 clean, uh, criminal record check. 00:21:29.264 --> 00:21:33.165 So I think that leads to a very different 00:21:33.165 --> 00:21:34.335 sort of mentality. 00:21:34.365 --> 00:21:38.865 And then you, you couple that with the feeling 00:21:38.865 --> 00:21:41.235 of always being under attack, whether it's 00:21:41.235 --> 00:21:43.155 new laws that are coming through, or whether 00:21:43.155 --> 00:21:45.135 it's part of a political platform, Hey, we're 00:21:45.135 --> 00:21:49.125 going to ban whatever, uh, that the firearms 00:21:49.125 --> 00:21:52.965 community in Canada has now worked very hard. 00:21:52.965 --> 00:21:55.575 And the squeaky clean records, daily criminal 00:21:55.575 --> 00:21:57.885 record background checks, and they've got 00:21:57.885 --> 00:21:59.895 the proper training and they're very safe yet. 00:21:59.895 --> 00:22:01.274 They're still feeling attacked. 00:22:01.335 --> 00:22:05.024 And from my perception, anyways, it seems like 00:22:05.175 --> 00:22:08.445 perhaps things are falling outside the locus 00:22:08.445 --> 00:22:10.544 of control of the general firearms community. 00:22:10.544 --> 00:22:13.754 So in turn, people will try and find ways 00:22:13.754 --> 00:22:18.284 to regain that sense of control and that 00:22:18.284 --> 00:22:21.465 can come through in your typical range. 00:22:23.639 --> 00:22:25.500 The they call it range Nazis, right? 00:22:25.500 --> 00:22:29.639 The people on the range who are, um, just so old 00:22:29.750 --> 00:22:33.659 vicious and, uh, uh, rule oriented or they'll make 00:22:33.659 --> 00:22:35.939 all of their own extra rules up, or they will, 00:22:36.300 --> 00:22:38.459 uh, the community will start putting extra, 00:22:38.580 --> 00:22:41.610 um, rules on top of WhatsApp's absolutely 00:22:41.610 --> 00:22:43.709 needed because they're so afraid that if they 00:22:43.709 --> 00:22:46.439 don't, they don't either a have control or B the 00:22:46.439 --> 00:22:49.530 general public might turn around and, uh, view them 00:22:49.530 --> 00:22:52.050 as, uh, not responsible and they'll end up 00:22:52.050 --> 00:22:53.370 losing more privileges. 00:22:53.669 --> 00:22:57.060 So it's, there is a different lifestyle and 00:22:57.060 --> 00:23:00.120 mentality to firearms ownership in Canada. 00:23:00.149 --> 00:23:00.449 That's for 00:23:00.449 --> 00:23:00.659 sure. 00:23:01.320 --> 00:23:03.360 And you're like, EV everything you surfing. 00:23:03.389 --> 00:23:04.620 Oh my God, we've got our, I want to 00:23:04.620 --> 00:23:05.129 comment on this. 00:23:05.129 --> 00:23:06.090 I want to comment on that. 00:23:06.090 --> 00:23:09.629 And, and I, I, I get what you're saying. 00:23:09.629 --> 00:23:11.820 And so much of that, that range, Nazi-ism 00:23:11.820 --> 00:23:14.399 the rules, the, oh, we got to do it this way. 00:23:14.399 --> 00:23:15.419 Are there a lot of tacos for this? 00:23:15.419 --> 00:23:17.340 Like, that's, that stuff drives me 00:23:17.520 --> 00:23:18.780 absolutely nuts. 00:23:18.780 --> 00:23:20.520 And it's one of the reasons I visited a 00:23:20.520 --> 00:23:24.090 bunch of ranges to, to join and it's difficult. 00:23:24.179 --> 00:23:26.070 Um, I don't agree with that and I don't really 00:23:26.070 --> 00:23:27.179 want to be part of that. 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:30.240 And, and that mentality just blaming whatever, 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.610 just personal preference, it's prevalent and 00:23:32.669 --> 00:23:34.980 it, I disagree with it and it doesn't sit 00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:36.300 well with me and I'm trying to change it. 00:23:37.050 --> 00:23:38.580 And the idea, for example, of a holster 00:23:38.580 --> 00:23:40.169 course, you can't, you can't use a holster until 00:23:40.169 --> 00:23:42.300 you pass our holster course after you've done 00:23:42.300 --> 00:23:42.929 all these other things. 00:23:43.679 --> 00:23:46.169 For me, I'm sure that the clubs that do that 00:23:46.169 --> 00:23:48.600 have a reason to do that as a guy who's 00:23:48.600 --> 00:23:49.740 not in the industry. 00:23:49.800 --> 00:23:51.840 I'm speaking kind of speculatively here. 00:23:52.650 --> 00:23:56.730 Maybe C assess the person. 00:23:57.300 --> 00:23:59.160 Maybe they, maybe they're a SWOT, but you 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:01.230 know, maybe they're a SWAT guy who's been on 00:24:01.230 --> 00:24:02.400 SWAT team for 15 years. 00:24:02.610 --> 00:24:03.960 Maybe they know how to use a holster. 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.020 Maybe they don't need to sit in your class 00:24:07.020 --> 00:24:09.629 for half a day and learn from someone who doesn't 00:24:09.629 --> 00:24:11.940 actually, and whatever, you know, I hear you. 00:24:12.120 --> 00:24:13.260 I hear you anyway, whatever. 00:24:14.820 --> 00:24:15.750 Yeah, no, I hear ya. 00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:22.110 Yeah, no, I'm all about having, uh, processes 00:24:22.170 --> 00:24:23.879 in place to ensure that you can show 00:24:23.879 --> 00:24:25.530 your due diligence and you've done things 00:24:25.530 --> 00:24:29.160 safely, but they have to be open to reason. 00:24:29.730 --> 00:24:31.890 Like what you say there, let's say somebody 00:24:31.890 --> 00:24:34.290 is well accomplished or they're an ERT 00:24:34.290 --> 00:24:35.430 member here in Canada. 00:24:35.430 --> 00:24:38.940 Um, or there they've got all the qualifications 00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:41.970 they need, but we live in such a litigious society. 00:24:42.210 --> 00:24:44.460 And I think that the firearms community in 00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:46.710 general is so afraid of having another rain 00:24:46.710 --> 00:24:48.810 shutdown or losing these privileges that they'll 00:24:48.810 --> 00:24:52.530 start making all of these new courses so that they 00:24:52.530 --> 00:24:56.040 can meet their, uh, due diligence requirements, 00:24:56.100 --> 00:24:57.780 their legal due diligence requirements, 00:24:58.470 --> 00:25:01.500 and hopefully prevent further shutdown. 00:25:01.590 --> 00:25:06.690 But as one firearms officer, uh, was in, uh, 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:09.450 actually the area, this is my podcast studio 00:25:09.450 --> 00:25:12.030 is my old office and all the, all the staff 00:25:12.030 --> 00:25:14.820 were on the outside there, he, he was doing 00:25:14.820 --> 00:25:16.710 an inspection and he's talking about something 00:25:16.710 --> 00:25:18.990 called I believe he mentioned it as normative 00:25:18.990 --> 00:25:23.895 process and he says, Uh, referring to how 00:25:23.925 --> 00:25:27.135 normative process is, how laws are created, 00:25:27.135 --> 00:25:28.185 at least in his opinion. 00:25:28.875 --> 00:25:31.875 And that's, I think a double-edged sword. 00:25:31.875 --> 00:25:34.365 So from the firearms community side, if they 00:25:34.395 --> 00:25:38.355 do things in a certain way all the time, then 00:25:38.355 --> 00:25:40.035 it's easy enough for others to say, well, 00:25:40.035 --> 00:25:41.445 this is how it's done. 00:25:41.475 --> 00:25:43.155 And it's now a new requirement on you. 00:25:43.215 --> 00:25:45.254 And I've seen that come up in legal proceedings. 00:25:45.525 --> 00:25:48.855 I like in the order in council, uh, firearms, 00:25:48.855 --> 00:25:53.205 prohibition hearings that are happening, the CFP 00:25:53.445 --> 00:25:56.235 expert comes up and just essentially on a number 00:25:56.235 --> 00:25:58.365 of items, this is how it's always been done, 00:25:58.365 --> 00:26:00.585 or here's how people generally refer to it. 00:26:00.585 --> 00:26:02.295 And in that case specifically, we're 00:26:02.295 --> 00:26:07.935 talking about, um, variants and, um, he 00:26:07.935 --> 00:26:10.155 was being pushed to define what a variant 00:26:10.155 --> 00:26:13.065 is and basically leaning on what he feels the 00:26:13.065 --> 00:26:14.535 firearms community usually calls it. 00:26:14.805 --> 00:26:16.455 So it's a bit of a double-edged sword, but 00:26:16.455 --> 00:26:18.585 in the same process, how that firearms officer 00:26:18.585 --> 00:26:20.805 used it, and we're totally going on tangents 00:26:20.805 --> 00:26:23.685 here, but how that firearms officer used it 00:26:23.685 --> 00:26:29.145 was in regards to, um, some firearms that were 00:26:29.775 --> 00:26:31.665 I considered deactivated. 00:26:31.815 --> 00:26:33.465 And then they thought, well, maybe, maybe 00:26:33.465 --> 00:26:34.425 not the activity. 00:26:34.425 --> 00:26:36.165 Cause we have these new guidelines on what 00:26:36.165 --> 00:26:38.055 deactivation is, which we're going to treat 00:26:38.055 --> 00:26:41.264 as if it's a regulation or legislation. 00:26:41.865 --> 00:26:44.895 Um, so maybe it was just called them disabled. 00:26:45.810 --> 00:26:49.679 And I, at that time, the member of parliament 00:26:49.679 --> 00:26:52.500 in our area, and she was a lawyer and she 00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:55.560 says, um, tell you what, I'm bringing 00:26:55.560 --> 00:26:56.370 this up with minister. 00:26:56.699 --> 00:26:58.620 He tell the firearms program that this is 00:26:58.620 --> 00:27:00.479 being discussed at the ministerial level. 00:27:01.020 --> 00:27:02.370 And we're going to come up with some sort 00:27:02.370 --> 00:27:06.120 of a, a, a reasonable conclusion on this. 00:27:06.479 --> 00:27:08.340 So I mentioned that to the firearms officer 00:27:08.340 --> 00:27:11.699 and the firearms officer says, and I quote, he 00:27:11.699 --> 00:27:14.610 says, I don't give a fuck about what your member 00:27:14.610 --> 00:27:15.389 of parliament says. 00:27:15.389 --> 00:27:17.159 I don't give a fuck about what minister 00:27:17.159 --> 00:27:19.110 Blaney says that they don't make the law. 00:27:19.500 --> 00:27:20.159 We do. 00:27:21.330 --> 00:27:24.330 I said, what, please do tell of course the 00:27:24.330 --> 00:27:26.280 whole place has got video and audio through 00:27:26.280 --> 00:27:28.199 it, and we're a security business, right? 00:27:28.229 --> 00:27:29.850 And that's when he got in, he says, if we 00:27:29.850 --> 00:27:31.679 keep doing things in a certain way, it's called 00:27:31.679 --> 00:27:34.439 normative process, then the courts will lean 00:27:34.439 --> 00:27:37.199 on that when there's any and ambiguity 00:27:37.199 --> 00:27:40.260 between how to handle a case and say, how is 00:27:40.260 --> 00:27:41.310 it normally handled? 00:27:41.340 --> 00:27:43.770 And then that's how the laws are created. 00:27:44.699 --> 00:27:47.490 Um, I did get an apology letter shortly 00:27:47.490 --> 00:27:50.070 thereafter because everything is video 00:27:50.070 --> 00:27:52.800 and audio recorded, but that was somewhere along 00:27:52.800 --> 00:27:54.449 the line that firearms officer had picked up 00:27:54.449 --> 00:27:56.159 that, uh, that terminal. 00:27:57.090 --> 00:27:57.510 And there 00:27:57.510 --> 00:28:01.050 is just so much, you say we're on a tangent, we're 00:28:01.110 --> 00:28:03.270 down this rabbit hole, but I love this rabbit. 00:28:04.139 --> 00:28:06.360 And what you just said for me, there is, there 00:28:06.360 --> 00:28:09.540 is so much like it's such a rich, it encapsulates 00:28:09.540 --> 00:28:14.459 so much about the words that we use and these 00:28:14.459 --> 00:28:16.800 terms that are invented in Ottawa, that they 00:28:16.800 --> 00:28:17.659 try to spread it. 00:28:17.659 --> 00:28:20.879 And so many Canadian gun owners refer 00:28:20.879 --> 00:28:22.050 to grandfathering. 00:28:22.709 --> 00:28:24.179 What is not grandfathering or the 00:28:24.179 --> 00:28:25.800 amnesty that there actually is not an 00:28:25.800 --> 00:28:27.179 amnesty or a variant. 00:28:27.510 --> 00:28:29.580 Um, the, or even the word phrase. 00:28:29.580 --> 00:28:30.879 I did an article about this a couple years 00:28:30.879 --> 00:28:31.590 ago at law abide. 00:28:31.590 --> 00:28:33.419 Like we should not refer to law abiding, 00:28:33.659 --> 00:28:35.100 and that's one of the things I'm trying to 00:28:35.100 --> 00:28:37.949 achieve at the gun log, by changing the way 00:28:37.949 --> 00:28:41.250 we speak and changing the words that we use, 00:28:41.669 --> 00:28:44.310 we are changing how we think and how we think 00:28:44.310 --> 00:28:45.540 about gun ownership. 00:28:46.020 --> 00:28:48.300 And I'm to just pursue this thread a little bit 00:28:48.300 --> 00:28:52.740 more of the I, if you're talking about, if you're 00:28:52.740 --> 00:28:54.870 talking about Marie Smith's testimony last 00:28:54.870 --> 00:28:56.775 year, too, in the federal court cases, Marie 00:28:56.775 --> 00:28:58.770 Smith was one time was, was in charge of the, 00:28:59.070 --> 00:29:01.590 the, um, the firearms reference to we invented 00:29:01.590 --> 00:29:03.090 the firearms, orphan stable at the Canadian 00:29:03.090 --> 00:29:06.090 farmers program and big force for confiscation 00:29:06.090 --> 00:29:06.750 and prohibition. 00:29:07.290 --> 00:29:09.780 I read through the transcript and it is mind 00:29:09.780 --> 00:29:14.730 blowing how the, again, I, as a, as a resident 00:29:14.730 --> 00:29:18.090 lay person, it just strikes me at is how this 00:29:18.090 --> 00:29:20.639 is a government official and what he is doing. 00:29:20.639 --> 00:29:22.320 We are, we've paid a salary all his life. 00:29:22.439 --> 00:29:25.949 He is not working to clarify and inform. 00:29:27.135 --> 00:29:28.935 Improve the situation he's working to 00:29:28.935 --> 00:29:32.175 obfuscate and spread disinformation and hide 00:29:32.175 --> 00:29:34.004 and be what's that thing where you, you don't 00:29:34.004 --> 00:29:34.695 give a straight answer. 00:29:34.695 --> 00:29:38.504 You're kind of dancing around and you're 00:29:38.504 --> 00:29:40.965 shifting and trying obstruction, basically 00:29:40.965 --> 00:29:42.925 obstructing the pros and people it's it's 00:29:42.945 --> 00:29:45.855 it's I published this and I recommend anybody 00:29:46.245 --> 00:29:48.044 if this is, if you care about this and you want 00:29:48.044 --> 00:29:52.544 to see the workings of the guts of the former 00:29:52.544 --> 00:29:54.794 head of the, um, the confiscation department 00:29:54.794 --> 00:29:56.085 in the Canadian virus program, you've got to 00:29:56.085 --> 00:29:57.975 read that Marie Smith testimony, you can go 00:29:57.975 --> 00:30:00.435 to the gun blog.ca in Google, Marie Smith. 00:30:00.435 --> 00:30:02.804 And, and, and I think it's available there or 00:30:02.955 --> 00:30:04.725 through the federal court anyway, or contact me. 00:30:05.205 --> 00:30:06.885 Um, can we switch 00:30:06.915 --> 00:30:09.075 gears for a sec or for, I guess it's really 00:30:09.075 --> 00:30:11.415 funny how quickly to people who are looking 00:30:11.415 --> 00:30:13.514 to spread positivity and not talk about 00:30:13.514 --> 00:30:15.585 politics, just jumped into a politic room. 00:30:16.185 --> 00:30:17.475 It is funny, isn't it? 00:30:17.475 --> 00:30:19.995 You know, do, as I say, not as I do, you got, it 00:30:20.294 --> 00:30:20.865 takes effort. 00:30:22.185 --> 00:30:22.875 We're human man. 00:30:22.875 --> 00:30:23.385 We're human. 00:30:24.405 --> 00:30:27.345 Uh, I, um, what is, what are you trying to 00:30:27.345 --> 00:30:30.465 achieve with Silvercore in general and the 00:30:30.465 --> 00:30:31.784 podcast in particular? 00:30:32.445 --> 00:30:34.605 That is a very good question because 00:30:34.605 --> 00:30:35.655 it changes, right? 00:30:35.715 --> 00:30:37.065 It changes over time. 00:30:37.065 --> 00:30:38.324 It evolves over time. 00:30:38.835 --> 00:30:41.294 It's like anyone talking about a business plan. 00:30:41.324 --> 00:30:42.705 Well, have you got your business plan together? 00:30:42.705 --> 00:30:45.645 And a business plan is a fantastic place to start. 00:30:45.764 --> 00:30:47.264 It gives you parameters. 00:30:47.264 --> 00:30:48.975 It causes you to think about different things 00:30:48.975 --> 00:30:50.895 that you may or may not have thought about. 00:30:51.254 --> 00:30:51.705 But the second. 00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:55.950 The rubber hits the road business plans 00:30:55.950 --> 00:30:57.450 change like immediately. 00:30:57.780 --> 00:31:01.830 So silver quarter is always been something 00:31:01.860 --> 00:31:05.520 that like, like I said, I started in an area where 00:31:05.520 --> 00:31:09.720 there was no structured business model doing 00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.900 anything similar to what silver court did. 00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:15.120 And just, can I just ask, when you 00:31:15.120 --> 00:31:17.310 say that you mean in, in Southern BC or you 00:31:17.310 --> 00:31:18.300 mean across Canada? 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.970 I mean, across Canada, like, I, I don't know of 00:31:20.970 --> 00:31:22.740 any other organization that's working with 00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:25.860 government agencies providing training as 00:31:25.860 --> 00:31:27.630 well as the general public and firearms 00:31:27.630 --> 00:31:30.150 repair and maintenance and, um, the, sort 00:31:30.150 --> 00:31:32.190 of the breadth and idea of what we do. 00:31:32.310 --> 00:31:34.500 There were people across Canada, obviously who 00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:36.990 are teaching basic fire safety courses, 00:31:37.020 --> 00:31:39.810 therefore those who would be teaching a use of 00:31:39.810 --> 00:31:42.690 force courses or hunter education courses, or, 00:31:43.260 --> 00:31:45.540 uh, but the totality of everything that we're 00:31:45.540 --> 00:31:46.500 trying to put together. 00:31:46.710 --> 00:31:50.400 And I mean, taking the firearm safety course out 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:54.000 of, out of the basement, out of the community 00:31:54.150 --> 00:31:56.730 church or the community hall, uh, and putting 00:31:56.730 --> 00:32:01.910 it into a professional environment, um, I, 00:32:01.910 --> 00:32:04.230 I haven't seen across Canada at that time. 00:32:04.470 --> 00:32:06.510 Uh, I have seen, I have seen it now. 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:07.260 Yeah. 00:32:07.890 --> 00:32:12.360 Um, it's not like I invented the idea, but 00:32:12.360 --> 00:32:15.090 I just sort of built on something that 00:32:15.090 --> 00:32:17.310 was sort of already there and continue to 00:32:17.310 --> 00:32:19.050 add these different pieces to it and find 00:32:19.050 --> 00:32:19.590 ways that we can. 00:32:20.370 --> 00:32:24.270 Bring value to both the end user, the client, the 00:32:24.270 --> 00:32:27.780 student, the customer, as well as the, uh, 00:32:27.780 --> 00:32:30.600 interesting part is do all of that while still 00:32:30.990 --> 00:32:33.090 playing well with all the government agencies 00:32:33.300 --> 00:32:38.220 and the regulatory bodies, which will have 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.280 differing views and opinions on how, how 00:32:41.280 --> 00:32:42.660 any of these things should be conducted. 00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:45.780 So it's been, it's been a very interesting 00:32:45.810 --> 00:32:49.920 juggling experience, but originally the idea was 00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:53.220 a Silvercore gun works and providing firearms, 00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:54.090 repair and maintenance. 00:32:54.090 --> 00:32:57.330 And I thought, you know, we'll go after the, 00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.370 um, go after everybody. 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.700 Hey, you know, you want a gun barrel 00:33:02.760 --> 00:33:05.310 cut and crowned chambered, threaded 00:33:05.340 --> 00:33:09.960 bluing parkerizing um, any little the 00:33:09.970 --> 00:33:11.940 trigger jobs done and any little thing that 00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:13.650 you can kind of think of firearms related. 00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:18.840 And I quickly found that that is not a 00:33:18.840 --> 00:33:21.930 way that you're ever going to be able to 00:33:21.930 --> 00:33:24.300 feed a family with it. 00:33:24.310 --> 00:33:27.120 So with dealing with the general public, they 00:33:27.120 --> 00:33:29.910 would quite often come in with a $100 firearm 00:33:29.910 --> 00:33:32.460 that they bought at a gun show that they want to 00:33:33.030 --> 00:33:36.540 look or function like a $1,000 firearm, but they 00:33:36.540 --> 00:33:38.970 only want to put another $50 in it to get there. 00:33:39.360 --> 00:33:41.550 And why not take it to the kid who's 00:33:41.550 --> 00:33:42.570 doing gunsmithing? 00:33:42.930 --> 00:33:44.810 Cause I was in my early twenties that, that. 00:33:46.215 --> 00:33:48.225 And I was more than happy to do the work because 00:33:48.225 --> 00:33:50.895 it gave me experience and like connections 00:33:50.895 --> 00:33:52.035 and all the rest. 00:33:52.635 --> 00:33:56.145 Uh, so that was sorta where Silvercore started. 00:33:56.235 --> 00:33:58.365 And then I thought, you know, I really 00:33:58.365 --> 00:34:00.765 enjoy training and I really enjoy 00:34:00.795 --> 00:34:01.695 dealing with people. 00:34:02.265 --> 00:34:06.915 Um, can I turn these courses that I'm 00:34:06.915 --> 00:34:10.725 doing maybe once a month and a shut down 00:34:10.725 --> 00:34:12.525 in the summertime doing the courses? 00:34:12.525 --> 00:34:14.385 Can I turn this into a business? 00:34:15.495 --> 00:34:19.485 The answer is yes and I have, but like I say, 00:34:19.485 --> 00:34:23.205 not without the, uh, the challenges along the way. 00:34:23.685 --> 00:34:26.534 So that was sort of the, the advent of all of 00:34:26.534 --> 00:34:30.945 that through building a business in a niche 00:34:30.975 --> 00:34:33.255 industry, you're going to get opposition 00:34:33.255 --> 00:34:34.155 from all sides. 00:34:34.485 --> 00:34:36.105 So you're going to get opposition from the 00:34:36.105 --> 00:34:38.115 regulatory, uh, bodies. 00:34:38.115 --> 00:34:39.435 Cause they're going to say, well, that's 00:34:39.435 --> 00:34:40.155 not how it's done. 00:34:40.784 --> 00:34:42.915 And I'd say, why not? 00:34:43.575 --> 00:34:44.955 I've read through the regulations. 00:34:44.955 --> 00:34:46.395 I've read through the legislation. 00:34:47.325 --> 00:34:47.925 Why not? 00:34:48.645 --> 00:34:51.615 And some people would clue in and they'd say, 00:34:51.615 --> 00:34:52.335 yeah, you know what? 00:34:52.335 --> 00:34:52.725 You're right. 00:34:52.725 --> 00:34:53.865 Let's, let's play ball. 00:34:54.405 --> 00:34:57.495 Uh, other people there's a, would be a little 00:34:57.495 --> 00:34:59.445 bit more rigid in the thought process. 00:34:59.445 --> 00:35:01.215 And they say, well, no, maybe that's 00:35:01.215 --> 00:35:02.895 that whole Nirvana process thing again. 00:35:02.895 --> 00:35:03.165 Right. 00:35:03.405 --> 00:35:04.875 This is how it's always been done. 00:35:05.115 --> 00:35:07.935 So I'd have to push really hard in order to. 00:35:09.150 --> 00:35:10.890 Progression in those areas. 00:35:11.190 --> 00:35:13.800 But on the same side, I would also find 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.360 those within the firearms community. 00:35:15.660 --> 00:35:18.090 Some people were like, hoo, rah, go for it. 00:35:18.090 --> 00:35:18.720 This is great. 00:35:18.750 --> 00:35:19.080 Right. 00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:21.510 Whereas others would push back and they'd 00:35:21.510 --> 00:35:23.550 say, well, who, who is this kid? 00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:24.060 Right. 00:35:24.060 --> 00:35:25.470 He's not a police officer. 00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:26.520 He's not military. 00:35:26.910 --> 00:35:30.120 Uh, he's not an if six shooter, right? 00:35:30.160 --> 00:35:32.430 Because that was sort of the process back then, 00:35:32.430 --> 00:35:35.430 one of the more formal shooting, uh, disciplines 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.680 who is this guy to go in there and do this? 00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:39.390 I mean, it should go to somebody else. 00:35:39.390 --> 00:35:43.770 Who's done all of these things and sure, very 00:35:43.770 --> 00:35:46.230 well could have, but nobody was pushing. 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.780 And I was, so it's been a, a learning process, 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.420 but thing is, as you start building up steam, 00:35:54.450 --> 00:35:56.700 you start finding more and more people kind 00:35:56.700 --> 00:35:58.500 of getting behind the idea and the concept. 00:35:59.310 --> 00:36:05.130 And the end concept has always been to assist 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:09.750 the firearms community in Canada to reduce 00:36:09.750 --> 00:36:13.110 barriers, to lawful firearms ownership. 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:14.700 And I know you, you're saying before, get 00:36:14.700 --> 00:36:17.070 away from the whole legal gun owner, but 00:36:17.700 --> 00:36:21.270 obviously having barriers in place to minimize 00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:23.820 access to those who are of criminal intent. 00:36:24.180 --> 00:36:26.160 I, I think is a really good idea. 00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:31.800 But for those who are, has her stand before 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.720 law abiding individuals who are looking to use. 00:36:36.630 --> 00:36:39.900 Firearms for an NIC Ukrainians here. 00:36:39.930 --> 00:36:41.220 And I think I just, don't just on the 00:36:41.220 --> 00:36:42.120 word findings. 00:36:42.120 --> 00:36:42.480 That's all. 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.100 That's just, that's all. 00:36:44.130 --> 00:36:45.270 But you, you can say what you want. 00:36:45.630 --> 00:36:45.830 Okay. 00:36:46.710 --> 00:36:49.290 Let me take a guess at why you say law abiding 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.050 because people who use a word law what's that? 00:36:52.890 --> 00:36:54.600 So I don't use the phrase law abiding. 00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:55.740 No, no. 00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:56.700 Let me take a guess. 00:36:56.700 --> 00:36:58.650 So why you don't want to say law abiding 00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:00.510 because the second the laws are changed. 00:37:00.570 --> 00:37:01.710 They're no longer law abiding. 00:37:02.820 --> 00:37:04.350 Yes, yes. 00:37:04.680 --> 00:37:05.550 And exactly. 00:37:05.580 --> 00:37:07.080 So, yes, that's, that's a, that's 00:37:07.080 --> 00:37:07.620 a big part of it. 00:37:07.620 --> 00:37:08.250 The other idea. 00:37:08.310 --> 00:37:09.840 So you focused on the law side. 00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:12.570 The other side is the abide that 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.090 abiding implies. 00:37:16.680 --> 00:37:18.300 I'm going to put it simply a master 00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:20.280 slave relationship, the slave abides by 00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:21.330 the masters rules. 00:37:21.810 --> 00:37:23.610 And I want to restore the concept that we 00:37:23.610 --> 00:37:25.230 don't abide by the law. 00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:27.660 We make the law, we make the law indirectly by 00:37:27.660 --> 00:37:29.160 electing politicians who act on our 00:37:29.160 --> 00:37:29.880 behalf and so forth. 00:37:30.090 --> 00:37:32.880 But we should, we should not be law abiding. 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:35.610 We should be law demanding or law making, 00:37:35.610 --> 00:37:38.670 or, and then also get us to get a little deeper. 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.430 Why do we want to qualify ourselves at all? 00:37:41.670 --> 00:37:43.650 The reason we want to qualify gun ownership 00:37:43.650 --> 00:37:46.170 is because we're trying to appease the 00:37:46.170 --> 00:37:49.200 aunties and make us an ice would say, just 00:37:49.200 --> 00:37:50.790 call yourself a good, just stand up and call 00:37:50.790 --> 00:37:51.810 yourself a gun owner. 00:37:54.240 --> 00:37:54.540 Yeah. 00:37:54.720 --> 00:37:56.040 I mean, if there's any distinction in 00:37:56.040 --> 00:37:57.060 there, it would be the. 00:37:58.905 --> 00:38:00.615 And that's it because anybody who's a gun 00:38:00.615 --> 00:38:02.265 owner is obviously law abiding because 00:38:02.265 --> 00:38:03.645 they've gone through the process or they're a 00:38:03.645 --> 00:38:06.015 criminal because they've acquired a firearm 00:38:06.165 --> 00:38:07.455 by some nefarious. 00:38:08.355 --> 00:38:08.595 Well, I 00:38:08.595 --> 00:38:10.545 would say, and that's also how in this cultural 00:38:10.545 --> 00:38:13.065 moment that we are experiencing in, in 00:38:13.065 --> 00:38:17.265 Canada, maybe the world, the debate, like we, the 00:38:17.315 --> 00:38:19.305 world, I believe this, this, the regulatory 00:38:19.305 --> 00:38:19.995 world we're down. 00:38:19.995 --> 00:38:21.345 We're going down into the rabbit hole here. 00:38:21.345 --> 00:38:23.805 Are you running up the regulatory world? 00:38:23.805 --> 00:38:26.805 In my opinion, things are upside down backwards 00:38:26.805 --> 00:38:32.205 and inside out, it used to be, in my view, you 00:38:32.205 --> 00:38:34.815 would, a person would buy a gun in order to 00:38:34.815 --> 00:38:36.045 protect themselves. 00:38:36.465 --> 00:38:39.915 And public safety starts with personal safety. 00:38:40.245 --> 00:38:42.555 If I can protect myself and my family and my 00:38:42.555 --> 00:38:44.505 own, and we can protect our community and we 00:38:44.505 --> 00:38:46.365 can protect our region and we can protect our 00:38:46.365 --> 00:38:49.065 country from internal and external threats. 00:38:49.065 --> 00:38:51.045 Well, then you have public safety. 00:38:51.045 --> 00:38:52.275 You have personal safety, you have 00:38:52.275 --> 00:38:55.695 national security, things are upside down. 00:38:55.695 --> 00:38:58.035 Now in, in this world, we live in where 00:38:58.245 --> 00:39:00.975 restrictions on the ability to protect 00:39:00.975 --> 00:39:02.715 yourself is considered public safety. 00:39:03.165 --> 00:39:05.865 So you disarm the public and you're calling 00:39:05.865 --> 00:39:07.005 that public safety. 00:39:07.035 --> 00:39:07.335 What? 00:39:07.455 --> 00:39:08.265 I like some things. 00:39:08.265 --> 00:39:10.005 So we've flipped that completely upside 00:39:10.005 --> 00:39:13.395 down and gun owners. 00:39:13.425 --> 00:39:15.735 The debate has shifted such that we feel 00:39:15.795 --> 00:39:18.525 instead of just thinking, well, gun ownership is. 00:39:19.814 --> 00:39:22.035 And there's this fringe element that does bad 00:39:22.035 --> 00:39:23.805 things with guns and ammo, but we don't like 00:39:23.805 --> 00:39:27.254 that's so fringe it's so marginal that it 00:39:27.254 --> 00:39:28.964 needs to be maybe talked about and dealt with, 00:39:28.964 --> 00:39:31.035 but that's not what gun ownership means to us. 00:39:31.575 --> 00:39:33.855 The debate has so shifted to the paradigm 00:39:33.855 --> 00:39:36.015 of crime and violence that the hunters, 00:39:36.015 --> 00:39:37.634 the sport shooters, the collectors, the 00:39:37.634 --> 00:39:40.274 investors, the craftsman, everybody feels that 00:39:40.274 --> 00:39:41.115 they have to qualify. 00:39:41.145 --> 00:39:42.524 Oh, I'm one of the good guys. 00:39:42.524 --> 00:39:43.484 I'm not a bad guy. 00:39:44.355 --> 00:39:45.794 And I'm trying to say, stop it. 00:39:46.095 --> 00:39:48.915 Stop trying to qualify yourself and appease 00:39:48.944 --> 00:39:51.495 the, the aunties and Regis re reclaim the 00:39:51.495 --> 00:39:54.375 Greek claim, your ground, reclaim your ground and 00:39:54.375 --> 00:39:57.285 just call yourself a hunter or a gun owner. 00:39:58.245 --> 00:39:59.745 And you don't, you don't no one would think of 00:39:59.745 --> 00:40:00.404 calling themselves. 00:40:00.435 --> 00:40:02.174 Oh, I'm a law abiding driver. 00:40:02.654 --> 00:40:02.955 Yes. 00:40:02.984 --> 00:40:04.605 There are people who steal cars and crash 00:40:04.605 --> 00:40:07.515 cars, or I'm old, I'm a law abiding chainsaw 00:40:07.515 --> 00:40:11.625 user, or I'm a law abiding computer user. 00:40:11.625 --> 00:40:12.975 You know, I'm, I'm a law abiding computer. 00:40:13.004 --> 00:40:14.595 I'm a law abiding phone user. 00:40:14.595 --> 00:40:16.424 I don't, I don't detonate bombs with my phone. 00:40:17.145 --> 00:40:18.584 Like no one it's absurd. 00:40:18.825 --> 00:40:20.714 And yet in, when it comes to gun ownership, 00:40:20.745 --> 00:40:23.984 there's no other domain that I've ever come 00:40:23.984 --> 00:40:26.475 across where someone uses the word law abiding. 00:40:26.535 --> 00:40:28.694 Except when they're talking about themselves 00:40:28.694 --> 00:40:30.345 as a gun owner, what the 00:40:30.345 --> 00:40:31.214 heck is up with that? 00:40:31.245 --> 00:40:31.785 I like that. 00:40:33.015 --> 00:40:35.115 Well, I think that's got to do with just see 00:40:35.714 --> 00:40:38.325 the social engineering over the last many 00:40:38.325 --> 00:40:42.584 decades of firearms and how they're portrayed 00:40:42.584 --> 00:40:44.535 in the media, which comes full circle to. 00:40:45.630 --> 00:40:48.210 A fellow who worked for Bloomberg and for 00:40:48.210 --> 00:40:50.430 the globe and mail, and now writes on it. 00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:52.800 W what do you think about how firearms 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.170 are current, how they're being portrayed 00:40:55.170 --> 00:40:56.820 and firearms owners are being portrayed 00:40:57.120 --> 00:40:57.900 within the media. 00:40:57.930 --> 00:40:59.880 Do you think that the media is abusing 00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:02.400 its responsibility in how it reports? 00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:03.540 Ooh, 00:41:03.630 --> 00:41:04.890 that's a, that's a lot of questions. 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:05.670 That's a loaded question. 00:41:05.670 --> 00:41:05.760 Yeah. 00:41:05.780 --> 00:41:08.970 So, so the backhand re original, I love it. 00:41:08.970 --> 00:41:09.300 I love it. 00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:10.680 Travis, back to your original question of 00:41:10.680 --> 00:41:12.870 why I founded, why I started writing about, 00:41:12.900 --> 00:41:15.720 about gun culture and gun ownership, and because I 00:41:15.720 --> 00:41:19.380 was responding to what I felt in the policy debate 00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:21.690 and the political debate in the media discussion 00:41:22.170 --> 00:41:25.650 was an unfair and a hostile representation 00:41:25.680 --> 00:41:32.940 of firearm owners and, and what I believe and 00:41:32.940 --> 00:41:34.770 what a lot of people I believe are wrong 00:41:34.770 --> 00:41:37.230 and not realizing that journalism is activism, 00:41:37.950 --> 00:41:41.550 that every modern newspaper TV program, 00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:44.580 TV channel, uh, what else has radio channel. 00:41:46.259 --> 00:41:48.660 Almost everyone basically was founded by someone 00:41:48.660 --> 00:41:51.270 who was trying to promote or prevent social change, 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.700 whether it's the male or the Toronto star or 00:41:53.940 --> 00:41:56.759 a pick, you pick any TV station, any media was 00:41:56.759 --> 00:41:59.670 founded by somebody, an activist, pushing someone 00:41:59.670 --> 00:42:02.490 pushing to prevent or promote social change. 00:42:02.520 --> 00:42:02.670 Okay. 00:42:02.670 --> 00:42:04.410 So I'm journalism equals activism. 00:42:05.100 --> 00:42:07.920 Right now we have big media, which is hostile 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:08.610 to gun ownership. 00:42:08.640 --> 00:42:11.220 The way they cover it, it's it's we 00:42:11.220 --> 00:42:11.880 could get good. 00:42:12.060 --> 00:42:12.780 You know, what are the, what are 00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:13.530 the clues of that? 00:42:13.530 --> 00:42:16.110 Well, the language that they use, the concepts 00:42:16.110 --> 00:42:18.270 that they use, they'll have entire articles 00:42:18.270 --> 00:42:20.340 talking about what the prohibitionists want. 00:42:20.640 --> 00:42:22.860 And they'll talk about the, the activist for 00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:24.750 this and the Polish politician for that. 00:42:24.940 --> 00:42:28.050 And they will use the terms of the prohibition. 00:42:28.050 --> 00:42:28.680 They'll exactly. 00:42:28.680 --> 00:42:30.990 Copy the terms from the press release of the 00:42:30.990 --> 00:42:32.759 prohibitionist government or the prohibitionist 00:42:32.759 --> 00:42:33.600 associations. 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.759 And normally in journalism, one of 00:42:35.759 --> 00:42:38.040 the principles, one of the principles, core 00:42:38.040 --> 00:42:42.210 principles is give the opposing view. 00:42:42.330 --> 00:42:42.660 Yes. 00:42:42.690 --> 00:42:44.340 If you're writing a story about X, okay. 00:42:44.340 --> 00:42:45.930 Write about X and write about the people who 00:42:45.930 --> 00:42:48.210 are, who have that point of view, but also show 00:42:48.210 --> 00:42:50.220 that that's not the only point of view and 00:42:50.220 --> 00:42:51.120 give the opposing view. 00:42:51.120 --> 00:42:53.590 It gets get off balance or some type of a 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.520 contrarian opinion, but they don't, they will 00:42:56.520 --> 00:42:58.920 not go to, anyone will let, whether it's a 00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:02.190 hunter, whether it's an association to give the 00:43:02.190 --> 00:43:04.950 point of view of that opposes prohibition. 00:43:05.610 --> 00:43:06.840 So we have a hostile. 00:43:08.145 --> 00:43:10.274 And at the moment, a hostile government. 00:43:10.904 --> 00:43:12.254 And I forget your question. 00:43:13.725 --> 00:43:14.115 No, 00:43:14.165 --> 00:43:16.575 I mean, where you're going with that is 00:43:16.575 --> 00:43:21.015 interesting because I, I'm not convinced that 00:43:21.015 --> 00:43:23.984 everybody within the media is approaching it 00:43:23.984 --> 00:43:29.174 from a hostile situation, but I think that people 00:43:29.174 --> 00:43:34.214 are predisposed to naturally just go to w 00:43:34.214 --> 00:43:37.125 w how you speak about firearms is this certain 00:43:37.125 --> 00:43:40.995 way with, which is where the gun blog.ca and where 00:43:40.995 --> 00:43:42.404 the Silvercore podcast? 00:43:43.395 --> 00:43:45.705 Uh, it sounds like both of our efforts 00:43:45.734 --> 00:43:47.765 are aligned in what we're trying to do. 00:43:47.895 --> 00:43:50.535 My thinking behind the Silvercore podcast is, 00:43:50.774 --> 00:43:53.325 you know, if we can just talk about openly and 00:43:53.325 --> 00:43:56.024 honestly about different aspects of firearms, 00:43:56.024 --> 00:43:59.415 ownership, or hunting or angling or whatever, 00:43:59.415 --> 00:44:02.504 it might be things that I'm interested in, uh, 00:44:02.834 --> 00:44:04.995 without even getting into the discussion. 00:44:05.024 --> 00:44:07.575 Like you say, I never actually put two and 00:44:07.575 --> 00:44:09.705 two together with the whole law abiding portion 00:44:09.705 --> 00:44:11.564 of trying to defend your position without 00:44:11.564 --> 00:44:13.365 even getting in that defensive position. 00:44:14.055 --> 00:44:18.915 Um, maybe S my small efforts and your large 00:44:18.975 --> 00:44:20.955 efforts, you're the gun blog.ca will, 00:44:21.464 --> 00:44:24.645 will permeate into the consciousness of others. 00:44:24.645 --> 00:44:25.185 And how we talk about. 00:44:26.055 --> 00:44:26.625 I don't know. 00:44:26.745 --> 00:44:28.425 Do you, do you think you think it well, or do 00:44:28.425 --> 00:44:30.015 we, do we have to hammer people over the head? 00:44:30.165 --> 00:44:32.685 Well, it's one of the, one of the 00:44:32.685 --> 00:44:34.485 questions I wanted to ask you to follow up. 00:44:34.485 --> 00:44:36.105 What you were saying earlier was what keeps 00:44:36.105 --> 00:44:38.655 you going with all the challenges, whether it's 00:44:38.925 --> 00:44:41.925 legal or administrative or regulatory or business 00:44:41.925 --> 00:44:44.355 or personal, whatever, what keeps you going? 00:44:44.355 --> 00:44:48.945 And I'll answer first is the, like, when I think 00:44:48.945 --> 00:44:50.865 of everyday, I think of throwing in the towel or 00:44:50.865 --> 00:44:52.515 almost every day, I think of throwing in the towel 00:44:52.515 --> 00:44:54.555 because it's not moving fast enough and who 00:44:54.555 --> 00:44:55.715 cares and it's too small. 00:44:55.735 --> 00:44:56.835 It's not whatever blah, blah, blah 00:44:56.865 --> 00:44:57.975 excuses and reasons. 00:44:58.575 --> 00:45:01.725 And then someone will, will write me an email 00:45:01.725 --> 00:45:02.295 and say, thank you. 00:45:02.295 --> 00:45:05.295 You've you've, uh, I'm thinking of, um, of Ron, 00:45:05.355 --> 00:45:08.145 Ron, if you're watching this, he S he said, 00:45:08.145 --> 00:45:09.885 I want him to try to remember his exact words. 00:45:09.915 --> 00:45:13.935 Thank you for helping me think freedom again, I 00:45:13.935 --> 00:45:15.795 get an email like that, and I say, yes, okay. 00:45:15.795 --> 00:45:17.115 This guy gets it. 00:45:17.745 --> 00:45:20.055 Maybe I want to reach tens of 00:45:20.055 --> 00:45:20.805 millions, but okay. 00:45:20.805 --> 00:45:22.515 Maybe for now, I'm only reaching hundreds or 00:45:22.575 --> 00:45:24.705 thousands or tens of thousands, but there 00:45:24.705 --> 00:45:25.845 are people who get it. 00:45:26.355 --> 00:45:28.955 And when you have these anyway, so that's the 00:45:28.965 --> 00:45:31.815 feedback that, that's what keeps me going when, 00:45:31.965 --> 00:45:33.075 in terms of permeating. 00:45:33.075 --> 00:45:35.085 And I would say, even raising consciousness 00:45:35.085 --> 00:45:38.835 and helping people think differently about this 00:45:38.835 --> 00:45:40.905 stuff, but I just want to tag a footnote here. 00:45:40.905 --> 00:45:41.205 If I could. 00:45:42.404 --> 00:45:45.225 I don't really in terms of the media, I want to, 00:45:45.225 --> 00:45:47.535 you know, my colleagues in, in, in media, I, 00:45:47.775 --> 00:45:49.245 as you said, it in the introduction, I worked 00:45:49.245 --> 00:45:50.924 as a journalist for, for, for more than a 00:45:50.924 --> 00:45:51.705 decade at Bloomberg. 00:45:51.705 --> 00:45:53.295 And that's where I learned to what, you 00:45:53.295 --> 00:45:54.975 know, the, the, the trade of journalism. 00:45:55.545 --> 00:45:57.645 I thought I see now what I was doing 00:45:57.645 --> 00:45:58.845 in a completely different light. 00:45:58.845 --> 00:45:59.835 I was not writing about guns. 00:45:59.835 --> 00:46:01.904 I was writing about a stock, the stock 00:46:01.904 --> 00:46:02.715 market, basically. 00:46:03.255 --> 00:46:06.404 And I thought that at the end of the day, when 00:46:06.404 --> 00:46:08.955 I published my story, I thought that I was 00:46:08.955 --> 00:46:12.195 telling the truth or some version of the truth. 00:46:13.065 --> 00:46:15.555 And now as, as a journalist, I thought, 00:46:15.555 --> 00:46:16.125 yeah, I'd covered. 00:46:16.125 --> 00:46:18.765 I, I told the story and now I real, I 00:46:18.765 --> 00:46:20.775 think journalists act in good faith. 00:46:20.805 --> 00:46:22.904 I was acting in good faith, trying to 00:46:23.265 --> 00:46:25.275 accurately portray the, present the facts and 00:46:25.275 --> 00:46:27.735 present whatever the issue was to the best 00:46:27.735 --> 00:46:31.335 of my ability and with quotes and the experts 00:46:31.335 --> 00:46:34.485 and whoever tell my story in a way in good faith. 00:46:34.575 --> 00:46:36.915 And I believe most journalists are acting 00:46:36.915 --> 00:46:39.435 in good faith when they publish the story, or, 00:46:39.915 --> 00:46:44.025 um, so they, I think it's a case of systemic 00:46:44.055 --> 00:46:46.035 bias over the last couple of years, we've 00:46:46.035 --> 00:46:48.105 talked a lot about systemic bias as regards 00:46:48.105 --> 00:46:49.634 to race or sexuality. 00:46:50.085 --> 00:46:52.275 There is at this moment, a systemic 00:46:52.305 --> 00:46:54.915 bias in reporting about gun ownership. 00:46:55.335 --> 00:46:57.674 And I'm also, I don't publish this, but 00:46:57.705 --> 00:46:59.595 I've got a lot of conversations with 00:46:59.595 --> 00:47:03.795 journalists behind the scenes, into interviewing 00:47:03.795 --> 00:47:05.695 them and educating them and informing them and, 00:47:05.695 --> 00:47:08.745 and to, to try to change. 00:47:10.155 --> 00:47:11.955 And obviously I'm perfectly up front. 00:47:11.955 --> 00:47:14.415 I have a systemic bias, uh, pro gun bias. 00:47:14.415 --> 00:47:16.185 That gun ownership is normal. 00:47:16.185 --> 00:47:18.495 And I'm, I think that between, I 00:47:18.495 --> 00:47:19.275 think you do too. 00:47:19.275 --> 00:47:20.625 And I think that's what I think that's 00:47:20.625 --> 00:47:21.915 what you're trying to do with the podcast. 00:47:22.245 --> 00:47:24.435 We have, we are two little voices and 00:47:24.435 --> 00:47:27.285 there's a few other, uh, media voices like pro 00:47:27.285 --> 00:47:28.575 gun voices in Canada. 00:47:29.415 --> 00:47:31.095 I don't, I think we can get away with having our 00:47:31.095 --> 00:47:33.795 bias because in front of us going the other way 00:47:33.795 --> 00:47:36.465 is, is it's an elephant versus a mouse versus 00:47:36.465 --> 00:47:37.635 a mouse situation. 00:47:38.085 --> 00:47:38.535 Mm. 00:47:39.525 --> 00:47:39.645 Yeah. 00:47:39.645 --> 00:47:40.215 I don't know. 00:47:40.275 --> 00:47:43.035 I, I've never tried to take the, obviously 00:47:43.035 --> 00:47:43.875 my you're right. 00:47:43.875 --> 00:47:47.595 My bias is pro firearm pro firearm 00:47:47.595 --> 00:47:49.545 for responsible individuals, right. 00:47:49.545 --> 00:47:52.035 For people who should have firearms, I don't 00:47:52.035 --> 00:47:53.685 think everyone's got a God-given right 00:47:53.685 --> 00:47:55.575 to own a firearm. 00:47:55.575 --> 00:47:57.405 I think there's certain actions that people 00:47:57.405 --> 00:47:58.695 can make throughout their lifetime. 00:47:58.695 --> 00:48:02.055 They can start putting restrictions on those, 00:48:02.175 --> 00:48:07.845 uh, those sort of, uh, endeavors, but from a, 00:48:08.925 --> 00:48:11.535 and I'm kind of, uh, my brain's kind of going off 00:48:11.535 --> 00:48:13.395 in a couple of different areas at the moment. 00:48:13.635 --> 00:48:13.965 Good. 00:48:15.315 --> 00:48:21.465 But I do agree that there is a, uh, a systemic bias 00:48:21.465 --> 00:48:23.535 within the media, but I've never approached 00:48:24.705 --> 00:48:27.435 the Silvercore podcast is trying to be pro firearm. 00:48:27.945 --> 00:48:30.825 I simply have approached it as, 00:48:30.825 --> 00:48:35.085 by trying to be pro positivity, pro passion, 00:48:35.785 --> 00:48:37.665 just show is mind blowing cause, okay. 00:48:37.755 --> 00:48:38.025 Wow. 00:48:38.065 --> 00:48:38.645 That's that's you. 00:48:40.020 --> 00:48:43.500 We'll just try and show people what's out there. 00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:45.990 And for me, from a very selfish standpoint, 00:48:46.290 --> 00:48:50.220 for me to be able to enjoy what I do, because 00:48:50.700 --> 00:48:54.870 when you spend X number of years, that I have 00:48:54.870 --> 00:48:58.020 trying to build within a, a, a niche industry. 00:48:58.050 --> 00:49:02.430 And I find myself in fights and with 00:49:02.970 --> 00:49:05.550 government agencies just to try and push 00:49:05.550 --> 00:49:07.650 the business forward, like some super 00:49:07.650 --> 00:49:09.630 logical things that would just make sense. 00:49:10.230 --> 00:49:15.240 And it's a process of, um, I guess being 00:49:15.240 --> 00:49:18.450 told no over and over again, or same within 00:49:18.570 --> 00:49:20.790 the firearms community, there are those within 00:49:20.790 --> 00:49:23.280 the firearms community that would just revel 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:24.840 in tearing down others. 00:49:25.200 --> 00:49:28.140 I think any business industry is like that. 00:49:28.140 --> 00:49:30.420 There's always going to be cutthroat aspects to 00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:34.470 it, but I would think within the firearms 00:49:34.470 --> 00:49:38.790 community, there should be an overwhelming, um, 00:49:38.820 --> 00:49:41.250 thought process that goes towards how does 00:49:41.250 --> 00:49:44.670 this benefit long-term how does this benefit 00:49:44.670 --> 00:49:46.920 my business, longterm, which in turn means, 00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:48.750 how does it benefit the firearms community? 00:49:48.750 --> 00:49:50.880 How does it benefit the general public? 00:49:51.120 --> 00:49:52.980 If everyone's benefiting long-term, then you've 00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:55.980 got a, a sustainable viable business plan. 00:49:56.670 --> 00:49:59.790 And I think some people get caught up 00:49:59.790 --> 00:50:02.340 in the moment and are looking for the quick 00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:04.680 buck or how they can. 00:50:05.520 --> 00:50:08.069 Uh, how they say tear one, person's 00:50:08.069 --> 00:50:09.509 building down to make their building 00:50:09.509 --> 00:50:10.649 look, look taller. 00:50:11.009 --> 00:50:15.210 So there's, um, again, I'm trying to piece 00:50:15.210 --> 00:50:16.589 together a couple of different thoughts 00:50:16.589 --> 00:50:18.569 on this one, but I realize I'm going a 00:50:18.569 --> 00:50:19.649 little bit off topic. 00:50:20.220 --> 00:50:25.950 Um, I guess to back up a little bit to your 00:50:25.950 --> 00:50:31.230 question about, um, what is it that drives 00:50:31.259 --> 00:50:32.730 me in the industry? 00:50:32.759 --> 00:50:34.440 What is it that keeps you going? 00:50:35.279 --> 00:50:39.450 Um, I, I think some people would say that, 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.240 uh, I revel in the fight and I would say they're 00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:44.310 wrong, but I think some people from an outside 00:50:44.310 --> 00:50:45.899 perspective would say, oh my God, that guy 00:50:45.899 --> 00:50:47.580 just doesn't give up. 00:50:47.790 --> 00:50:50.220 And he keeps he's in a position and he'll 00:50:50.220 --> 00:50:52.109 just keep pushing and pushing and pushing. 00:50:52.620 --> 00:50:56.250 Uh, other people would say that I am a sort 00:50:56.250 --> 00:50:58.649 of pie in the sky, altruistic in my, in 00:50:58.649 --> 00:51:00.060 my concepts and ideas. 00:51:00.690 --> 00:51:03.210 And I'm, I'm not sure if that's entirely true. 00:51:03.750 --> 00:51:07.230 I enjoy the process for me, the process of 00:51:07.259 --> 00:51:09.390 creating something and building something is 00:51:09.390 --> 00:51:11.370 very, very enjoyable. 00:51:11.640 --> 00:51:13.560 Seeing that process through the completion 00:51:13.560 --> 00:51:14.670 is very enjoyable. 00:51:14.670 --> 00:51:16.350 And once you come to completion on one 00:51:16.350 --> 00:51:19.890 thing, how do you regain that process? 00:51:20.220 --> 00:51:21.330 Like that whole journey? 00:51:21.330 --> 00:51:22.830 When everyone says it's not the destination, 00:51:22.830 --> 00:51:23.490 it's a journey. 00:51:23.819 --> 00:51:25.560 I enjoy the process of building. 00:51:26.220 --> 00:51:27.870 And I realized that there's going to be a 00:51:27.870 --> 00:51:30.359 lot of challenges in what I'm trying to build, 00:51:32.129 --> 00:51:34.700 but that's where the enjoyment also comes. 00:51:36.150 --> 00:51:38.850 So that, that, that I guess, would be 00:51:38.910 --> 00:51:41.910 how I would describe what keeps me going. 00:51:42.150 --> 00:51:43.020 It's the process. 00:51:44.100 --> 00:51:47.400 Cause I'm just, now my brain is processing 00:51:47.420 --> 00:51:48.480 is processing. 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:53.340 You are, I think entrepreneurs in general. 00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:56.190 And in particular, we tend to forget all the 00:51:56.190 --> 00:51:57.240 skills that are required. 00:51:57.420 --> 00:51:59.520 So you have your, your I'm going to call it 00:51:59.520 --> 00:52:00.900 a technical skill. 00:52:01.200 --> 00:52:03.780 Uh, in terms of gunsmithing PR I presume 00:52:04.110 --> 00:52:05.850 we've never met face to face, so I've never, 00:52:05.970 --> 00:52:07.440 we've never seen each other on a range. 00:52:07.540 --> 00:52:08.310 As far as I know. 00:52:08.550 --> 00:52:10.490 Uh, I I'm in Toronto, you're in, you're 00:52:10.490 --> 00:52:11.190 near Vancouver. 00:52:11.670 --> 00:52:15.870 Um, I presume you have some technical skill 00:52:15.870 --> 00:52:18.060 with regards to firearms and, uh, hitting, put 00:52:18.060 --> 00:52:19.680 it, putting bullets on the target and stuff. 00:52:19.980 --> 00:52:21.960 You also have skill in terms of founding 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:23.370 a business and creating a business. 00:52:23.370 --> 00:52:25.920 You have skill in terms of training people, you 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:27.840 have skilled in terms of technical skill related 00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:29.730 to building a podcast studio and the tech, 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:31.260 you know, publishing it and getting it 00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:34.620 out there and having a tens of thousands. 00:52:34.620 --> 00:52:36.570 Maybe you want to tell the exact number of, uh, 00:52:37.020 --> 00:52:38.730 a huge, uh, relative, you know, huge audience 00:52:38.730 --> 00:52:39.900 for an independent media. 00:52:40.470 --> 00:52:43.470 And I'm thinking what kind of a guy would 00:52:43.470 --> 00:52:44.940 would, and there's all sorts of you're, you're 00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:47.220 a parent, you're a dad, you're a husband, you're 00:52:47.250 --> 00:52:50.520 you, you've got all these areas of, uh, I see a 00:52:50.520 --> 00:52:53.670 builder, a guy who has you can't achieve that. 00:52:53.670 --> 00:52:55.620 I don't think without having surmounted some 00:52:55.620 --> 00:52:57.360 pretty big obstacles and people throwing 00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.640 you some, some pretty slippery banana peels, 00:52:59.970 --> 00:53:02.970 uh, legally, uh, business wise, personally, 00:53:02.970 --> 00:53:03.570 that the attacks. 00:53:04.725 --> 00:53:06.774 I'm sure on in chat forums about people who 00:53:07.004 --> 00:53:08.084 trying to take you down. 00:53:08.745 --> 00:53:10.154 And it's interesting to hear you say that 00:53:10.154 --> 00:53:13.125 it's, that you're, you know, it's the 00:53:13.125 --> 00:53:15.495 process of building that keeps you going. 00:53:16.935 --> 00:53:19.515 It is, and it's, I don't know. 00:53:19.575 --> 00:53:23.205 It's, uh, entrepreneurs tend to have very 00:53:23.205 --> 00:53:26.415 short memories to the difficulties that 00:53:26.415 --> 00:53:27.555 they've encountered. 00:53:28.365 --> 00:53:30.225 It's been my experience anyways, and tend to 00:53:30.225 --> 00:53:33.975 be very, um, optimistic in nature for a glass 00:53:33.975 --> 00:53:35.984 is half full because if they're always glass is 00:53:35.984 --> 00:53:38.325 half empty, they probably wouldn't have started 00:53:38.325 --> 00:53:40.814 the endeavor to begin with and you bring up 00:53:40.845 --> 00:53:43.064 parenting and there might be a little bit of an 00:53:43.064 --> 00:53:45.285 analogy or a crossover between all of this. 00:53:45.734 --> 00:53:49.484 You know, I think back to when my first 00:53:49.484 --> 00:53:51.345 child was born, my daughter was born. 00:53:51.975 --> 00:53:53.984 My wife was in labor for, I think it was 00:53:53.984 --> 00:54:00.495 27 hours and it was a tough pregnancy, um, 00:54:00.975 --> 00:54:03.044 or a tough birthing. 00:54:03.254 --> 00:54:06.285 The, we had a midwife, but we opted to have 00:54:06.285 --> 00:54:10.845 a hospital birth and things bragged on way 00:54:10.845 --> 00:54:12.975 longer than they really should have probably 00:54:12.975 --> 00:54:15.375 because the midwife is and wanting to have a 00:54:15.375 --> 00:54:16.904 very natural process. 00:54:16.904 --> 00:54:22.845 And, um, when you're in the, uh, when you're in 00:54:22.845 --> 00:54:25.064 the hospital, everyone's calm, cool and collected. 00:54:25.245 --> 00:54:26.115 Everything's normal. 00:54:26.115 --> 00:54:27.015 Everything's natural. 00:54:27.015 --> 00:54:28.424 Even if it isn't, they all say, Hey, 00:54:28.424 --> 00:54:29.024 this is normal. 00:54:29.024 --> 00:54:29.745 This is natural. 00:54:31.245 --> 00:54:31.484 And. 00:54:32.640 --> 00:54:34.890 When things started to kind of go 00:54:34.890 --> 00:54:37.020 sideways during the birthing process. 00:54:37.020 --> 00:54:39.210 And they had to call in some experts to come in. 00:54:39.210 --> 00:54:41.980 And I remember this, um, this woman, the 00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:46.380 obstetrician comes on in, and she's got a forceps 00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:48.210 and suction cup, and then they decide, Hey, 00:54:48.210 --> 00:54:51.660 we're going to, um, I, we think the umbilical 00:54:51.660 --> 00:54:53.220 cord is wrapped, so we're going to cut 00:54:53.220 --> 00:54:54.090 the umbilical cord. 00:54:54.240 --> 00:54:55.980 So they do, and they still can't 00:54:55.980 --> 00:54:57.690 get my daughter out. 00:54:58.200 --> 00:54:59.820 And she looks over at her helper. 00:54:59.820 --> 00:55:01.170 And at this time, you know, things aren't 00:55:01.170 --> 00:55:02.910 right, because it goes from a few people in the 00:55:02.910 --> 00:55:05.340 room to a whole bunch of people in that room and 00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:08.520 people are yelling and running around and the, 00:55:08.790 --> 00:55:10.950 she looks at her helper and she tells her, help 00:55:10.950 --> 00:55:13.980 her start pushing on her belly and her helper. 00:55:14.220 --> 00:55:16.050 I guess didn't like the tone that she 00:55:16.050 --> 00:55:18.660 used, put your hands down at her side. 00:55:18.660 --> 00:55:20.940 And just like, like you don't tell me what to do. 00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:22.440 And I looked over at her and I looked at 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.030 the obstetrician, the obstetrician looked at 00:55:24.030 --> 00:55:25.620 me like, what the hell? 00:55:25.650 --> 00:55:26.010 Right. 00:55:26.910 --> 00:55:29.580 And so I just, I jumped in there and I put my 00:55:29.580 --> 00:55:31.800 forearm on her rib cage, found where the belly 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:34.230 is and tried squeezing my daughter out, like 00:55:34.230 --> 00:55:36.420 a tube of toothpaste or daughter comes out. 00:55:36.990 --> 00:55:40.680 She is not been breathing for some time, no one 00:55:40.680 --> 00:55:42.000 bill court, no blood. 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:42.270 Right. 00:55:42.270 --> 00:55:44.550 And I remember, I thought, for sure, 00:55:44.580 --> 00:55:47.340 my daughter was dead and I remember 00:55:47.340 --> 00:55:48.870 feeling so bad, lying. 00:55:48.990 --> 00:55:52.620 I thought to my wife and saying, when my 00:55:52.620 --> 00:55:54.480 daughter came out, said, she's, she's fine. 00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:54.990 She's fine. 00:55:54.990 --> 00:55:55.590 It's all good. 00:55:55.590 --> 00:55:55.890 Right. 00:55:56.340 --> 00:56:02.160 Um, and then after a long period of time, I heard 00:56:02.190 --> 00:56:06.360 my daughter make a noise and my first thought was 00:56:07.620 --> 00:56:08.880 alright, that's awesome. 00:56:09.060 --> 00:56:09.840 She's breathing. 00:56:10.650 --> 00:56:12.270 And then my second thought was maybe a 00:56:12.270 --> 00:56:13.380 little bit selfishly. 00:56:13.890 --> 00:56:16.560 Um, oh no, she's breathing. 00:56:16.590 --> 00:56:19.710 That was a long time to not have oxygen for, is 00:56:19.710 --> 00:56:20.820 she going to be okay. 00:56:21.810 --> 00:56:27.300 Um, despite that ordeal and despite the 00:56:27.300 --> 00:56:29.730 difficulties and the pain and the issues that my 00:56:29.730 --> 00:56:33.840 wife had to go through, the midwife looked at my 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:38.940 wife afterwards and says, do you think you'd ever 00:56:38.940 --> 00:56:40.050 want to do that again? 00:56:40.260 --> 00:56:41.820 And my wife's first response was 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:43.080 absolutely yes. 00:56:43.290 --> 00:56:44.010 In a heartbeat. 00:56:44.370 --> 00:56:48.330 And it's amazing how quickly you will forget 00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.360 all the difficulties and the pain and 00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.030 the issues that you go through in life. 00:56:54.330 --> 00:56:58.980 If the reward is great enough, my daughter 00:56:58.980 --> 00:56:59.880 turned out fine. 00:57:00.120 --> 00:57:01.320 She's getting straight A's. 00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:02.490 She wants to be a doctor. 00:57:02.490 --> 00:57:04.440 She dances almost every single day. 00:57:04.740 --> 00:57:06.510 We were very, very fortunate in that 00:57:06.510 --> 00:57:07.350 whole process. 00:57:08.130 --> 00:57:11.370 But I look at that and I think to a very small 00:57:11.370 --> 00:57:14.490 degree in entrepreneurial ship, it's sort of 00:57:14.490 --> 00:57:15.990 a similar process. 00:57:16.290 --> 00:57:19.260 If the reward is great enough to the 00:57:19.260 --> 00:57:21.330 entrepreneur, if you're doing something that 00:57:21.330 --> 00:57:23.850 you think is worthwhile for yourself, for your 00:57:23.850 --> 00:57:26.850 family and for others, then you'll continue 00:57:26.850 --> 00:57:28.560 to push through despite all of those different. 00:57:31.845 --> 00:57:34.125 Um, I'm, I'm, 00:57:37.605 --> 00:57:41.714 I'm very moved by what you just shared because I 00:57:41.714 --> 00:57:46.005 had, my son was born this year and he's fine, but 00:57:46.005 --> 00:57:47.085 it was not an easy birth. 00:57:47.145 --> 00:57:50.535 And, um, I hope one day I can talk about it as 00:57:50.535 --> 00:57:52.065 easily as you seem to be. 00:57:52.694 --> 00:57:55.185 And, um, I just thought, yeah, it's not easy. 00:57:55.484 --> 00:57:56.055 I'm sorry. 00:57:56.055 --> 00:57:57.435 I don't know why I'm losing it here. 00:57:58.154 --> 00:58:01.035 No, it's not easy is because we care about the 00:58:01.035 --> 00:58:04.545 things that are important to us and those things 00:58:04.605 --> 00:58:08.415 like really the business, everything that I do, I 00:58:08.415 --> 00:58:09.674 do it for an end goal. 00:58:09.795 --> 00:58:12.105 And my end goal is so that I have something 00:58:12.105 --> 00:58:13.875 that I can be able to provide to my family. 00:58:13.875 --> 00:58:15.435 And hopefully in the process, I'm able to 00:58:15.435 --> 00:58:18.194 do something that, that helps the community 00:58:18.615 --> 00:58:20.145 from a very early age. 00:58:20.174 --> 00:58:22.904 I've told my children, you could throw a match 00:58:22.904 --> 00:58:25.335 in our house and burn everything to the ground, 00:58:25.605 --> 00:58:28.634 not telling them to do that, but the whole house 00:58:28.634 --> 00:58:29.415 could be burnt down. 00:58:29.535 --> 00:58:32.085 Everything that I've ever worked hard for to own 00:58:32.325 --> 00:58:34.065 or achieve could be gone. 00:58:34.455 --> 00:58:37.575 And I really truly, and honestly could care 00:58:37.605 --> 00:58:40.275 less provided everybody in the family is safe 00:58:40.845 --> 00:58:43.515 because we can rebuild as an entrepreneur. 00:58:43.515 --> 00:58:45.855 You've built a business in a heartbeat. 00:58:45.855 --> 00:58:47.055 You could build this on again. 00:58:47.174 --> 00:58:48.194 It's been a struggle. 00:58:48.194 --> 00:58:50.265 I'm sure for you to build it to where it is now, 00:58:50.595 --> 00:58:52.755 but if your business was torn to the ground 00:58:52.964 --> 00:58:55.335 right now today, I bet you, it wouldn't take 00:58:55.335 --> 00:58:57.495 you more than a week to replicate the model that 00:58:57.495 --> 00:58:58.005 you've already built. 00:59:00.975 --> 00:59:02.595 I hope I hope I'm. 00:59:02.655 --> 00:59:02.895 Yeah. 00:59:02.955 --> 00:59:04.515 I mean, I hope so, but I, again, I think 00:59:04.545 --> 00:59:08.715 the being apparent, um, has completely 00:59:08.715 --> 00:59:11.355 reset my priorities and I never, I never 00:59:11.355 --> 00:59:12.255 thought I'd be a dad. 00:59:12.255 --> 00:59:13.245 I never expected it. 00:59:13.305 --> 00:59:15.885 And I never knew I was capable of this much 00:59:15.915 --> 00:59:17.865 love and vulnerability. 00:59:18.735 --> 00:59:21.195 And it's funny, like I got to put my son 00:59:21.195 --> 00:59:23.325 in a totally a and now my family, my 00:59:23.325 --> 00:59:25.845 woman, my, our, our family in a totally. 00:59:26.715 --> 00:59:27.015 Yeah. 00:59:27.075 --> 00:59:29.775 Like it's, it just, it just resets, um, all my 00:59:29.775 --> 00:59:31.575 priorities and I, and I, and I didn't know 00:59:31.575 --> 00:59:32.475 this about you, Travis. 00:59:32.475 --> 00:59:34.275 I didn't know any of what you're just discovering. 00:59:34.275 --> 00:59:34.455 Right. 00:59:34.455 --> 00:59:39.945 Where, um, and I, um, I'm really thankful that 00:59:39.945 --> 00:59:41.025 you shared what you said. 00:59:43.605 --> 00:59:46.005 Well, how, how do you define success? 00:59:46.005 --> 00:59:47.895 If I always ask you, what, what is 00:59:47.895 --> 00:59:48.945 success for you? 00:59:49.065 --> 00:59:49.935 How would you define that? 00:59:53.965 --> 00:59:56.755 It's something that I used to worry about 00:59:56.755 --> 00:59:58.885 a lot and kind of something I don't really 00:59:58.885 --> 01:00:00.025 care about anymore. 01:00:00.505 --> 01:00:07.945 I think success for me has to do with things 01:00:07.975 --> 01:00:12.475 like, well, what I would consider failure is 01:00:12.535 --> 01:00:15.775 let's say I forget that, um, I get all victimy 01:00:15.775 --> 01:00:17.395 and, oh, this sucks. 01:00:17.395 --> 01:00:19.585 And that I didn't like the way that happened and 01:00:19.585 --> 01:00:21.955 this, uh, when I, when I kind of get complainy 01:00:21.955 --> 01:00:25.045 and blamey, that is I would consider unsuccess. 01:00:25.045 --> 01:00:26.815 So I, I guess I would consider success 01:00:26.815 --> 01:00:27.205 when I remember. 01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:29.580 That in any given situation, I have 01:00:29.580 --> 01:00:32.160 choice personal choice. 01:00:32.160 --> 01:00:33.930 And that's what I'm also trying to share with, 01:00:33.930 --> 01:00:36.750 with the, the community of, of gun owners, that 01:00:36.750 --> 01:00:40.170 we have choice that we are powerful, that 01:00:40.170 --> 01:00:42.330 we can, you know, the response ability we can 01:00:42.330 --> 01:00:45.420 choose how we respond to any situation. 01:00:45.430 --> 01:00:47.550 So what is success is when I remember, I guess 01:00:47.550 --> 01:00:49.440 it has to do with the kind of person I am 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:52.650 being and whether it's in the professional 01:00:52.650 --> 01:00:54.540 domain, whether it's, um, 01:00:57.570 --> 01:00:59.280 when I'm living with my son and my son is 01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.140 doing something that I find annoying, let's 01:01:01.140 --> 01:01:03.180 say he's a baby and he's acting like a baby. 01:01:03.180 --> 01:01:05.670 And he's screaming at two o'clock in the morning. 01:01:05.970 --> 01:01:06.990 And I get frustrated. 01:01:06.990 --> 01:01:08.730 I consider I'd want to be a better man. 01:01:08.730 --> 01:01:11.010 And I consider it a success when I, when I 01:01:11.010 --> 01:01:13.590 stay cool and I can stay loving and kind to this 01:01:13.590 --> 01:01:17.070 little baby and to my, my fellow citizen, my fellow 01:01:17.070 --> 01:01:18.990 man, my, my fellow, my neighbors on this planet. 01:01:19.410 --> 01:01:22.170 Um, that's how I consider it, what I 01:01:22.170 --> 01:01:22.920 define as success. 01:01:22.950 --> 01:01:23.520 Oh my gosh. 01:01:23.520 --> 01:01:25.140 And we can, like, I love seeing the, you know, 01:01:25.140 --> 01:01:26.580 when, when the numbers in my bank account 01:01:26.580 --> 01:01:27.450 go up, that's great. 01:01:27.450 --> 01:01:29.520 When I achieve something, when I publish something 01:01:29.520 --> 01:01:31.470 that, uh, that I didn't think I could publish. 01:01:31.500 --> 01:01:31.950 That's great. 01:01:31.950 --> 01:01:33.230 But that's yeah. 01:01:33.240 --> 01:01:35.940 When you, when, anytime I achieve something or 01:01:35.940 --> 01:01:39.000 help someone else achieve something that we didn't 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:41.640 know, we could do, I consider that a success. 01:01:42.030 --> 01:01:42.690 Yes. 01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:44.310 It's interesting for me how that kind of comes 01:01:44.310 --> 01:01:47.100 second to, I don't know if the right word for it 01:01:47.100 --> 01:01:49.490 is personal or, or the, yeah, I guess the, the, 01:01:49.490 --> 01:01:51.270 the kind of person I'm being when I like the 01:01:51.270 --> 01:01:53.640 person I'm being, I would consider that a success. 01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:55.800 How about you? 01:01:55.860 --> 01:01:56.790 I think a fantastic. 01:01:58.305 --> 01:01:59.865 Uh, I'm going to take the easy way out on 01:01:59.865 --> 01:02:01.995 that one, but it's something I do believe 01:02:01.995 --> 01:02:04.875 in it's Earl Nightingale has a definition of 01:02:04.875 --> 01:02:07.725 success, which is the progressive realization 01:02:07.725 --> 01:02:08.714 of a worthy ideal. 01:02:09.194 --> 01:02:12.075 So it's not the person who's made millions 01:02:12.734 --> 01:02:15.645 and has achieved the pinnacle of whatever 01:02:15.645 --> 01:02:18.435 it is in their career, but it's the person 01:02:18.975 --> 01:02:20.955 who's made millions and they've enjoyed 01:02:20.955 --> 01:02:21.884 the process doing it. 01:02:22.185 --> 01:02:23.895 They've achieved the pinnacle and they're 01:02:23.895 --> 01:02:25.185 doing it because they loved you. 01:02:25.424 --> 01:02:27.134 Or it's a person who isn't making millions. 01:02:27.194 --> 01:02:29.745 It's the janitor who gets up for work every day and 01:02:29.745 --> 01:02:31.935 is looking for new ways that they can make the 01:02:31.935 --> 01:02:34.365 place better and do their job in a better way. 01:02:34.694 --> 01:02:36.975 If whatever that were the ideal, it's a 01:02:36.975 --> 01:02:39.315 teacher who just loves communicating and 01:02:39.315 --> 01:02:42.015 teaching with the kids and seeing them progress. 01:02:42.375 --> 01:02:44.234 So that progressive realization of a 01:02:44.234 --> 01:02:46.935 worthy ideal to me is what success is. 01:02:47.475 --> 01:02:50.234 And then you have, I have to always take a 01:02:50.234 --> 01:02:55.904 look and just sort of check myself for what 01:02:55.904 --> 01:02:58.274 is my worthy ideal, what were the ideals 01:02:58.274 --> 01:02:59.174 on my working towards? 01:02:59.174 --> 01:03:01.545 Because we quite often have numerous worthy 01:03:01.545 --> 01:03:04.515 ideals that we have out, uh, that we're 01:03:04.754 --> 01:03:05.714 working towards. 01:03:06.855 --> 01:03:10.274 Do they all kind of go towards a sort 01:03:10.274 --> 01:03:11.234 of a guiding light? 01:03:11.565 --> 01:03:14.835 Like if my worthy ideal is in my business to be 01:03:14.835 --> 01:03:18.165 able to reach X amount of people or make X amount 01:03:18.165 --> 01:03:21.435 of money or take on a new challenge or whatever it 01:03:21.435 --> 01:03:23.325 is does I can do that. 01:03:23.384 --> 01:03:24.615 And I know I will, whatever. 01:03:25.350 --> 01:03:27.060 Uh, what editor an individual wants to 01:03:27.060 --> 01:03:29.340 put their mind to, they will be able to achieve. 01:03:29.970 --> 01:03:33.030 Um, but how much effort is that going to take? 01:03:33.540 --> 01:03:36.360 And when you get to that end objective, and you 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:38.370 look around, did the ends justify the means, 01:03:38.370 --> 01:03:40.530 did you have to give up on other worthy ideals 01:03:40.530 --> 01:03:41.520 in order to do that? 01:03:42.090 --> 01:03:45.450 So for me, it's constantly taking 01:03:45.450 --> 01:03:48.960 a look at what my worthy ideal is. 01:03:49.020 --> 01:03:50.940 And do I still consider that to be 01:03:51.030 --> 01:03:51.780 the worthy ideal? 01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:56.970 I would like to take that as an invitation 01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:01.290 to talk about what I think was one of, if not 01:04:01.290 --> 01:04:03.960 the darkest period of your business, when you 01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:06.720 were, I'm going to use the word under attack by 01:04:07.650 --> 01:04:09.600 the lead by, well, I'll let you tell the story. 01:04:09.600 --> 01:04:10.560 Do you want to talk about that? 01:04:10.560 --> 01:04:13.110 Uh, in any way you want either the 01:04:13.110 --> 01:04:14.370 situation itself or how 01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:15.480 the, what you're talking about? 01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:17.760 W w O w what are you talking about? 01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:18.120 Nicholas? 01:04:18.120 --> 01:04:18.870 I have no idea. 01:04:20.460 --> 01:04:21.720 If you want to talk about, I'm going to put 01:04:21.720 --> 01:04:22.350 you on the hot seat. 01:04:22.470 --> 01:04:23.580 Yeah, well, I don't I'm okay. 01:04:23.580 --> 01:04:25.770 I'm going to you, you were, my understanding 01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:29.220 is that you were, you, you F you were attacked 01:04:29.220 --> 01:04:31.710 essentially by someone you trusted, who then 01:04:31.740 --> 01:04:34.920 turned around and attacked you, uh, using 01:04:35.190 --> 01:04:38.010 the legal industry, using the regulatory industry, 01:04:38.010 --> 01:04:42.330 using their connections and drag the courts. 01:04:42.390 --> 01:04:45.870 And, and I imagine that was a tough time for you. 01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:47.100 I'm curious if you want to talk about 01:04:47.100 --> 01:04:48.540 what happened and get the details, right. 01:04:48.540 --> 01:04:49.170 That I don't know. 01:04:49.470 --> 01:04:49.890 And also. 01:04:51.270 --> 01:04:53.400 Did you, how, what kept you committed to pursuing 01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:55.860 your worthy ideal to get you through it? 01:04:57.510 --> 01:05:00.780 That's, it's an interesting one and I 01:05:00.810 --> 01:05:02.460 pretty sure I know what you're talking about. 01:05:02.550 --> 01:05:04.950 And unfortunately I'm not a hundred percent 01:05:04.950 --> 01:05:08.820 sure because I've lived the life where I've been 01:05:08.820 --> 01:05:11.790 under attack more than once in a fairly big 01:05:11.790 --> 01:05:15.360 way, by those who I've trusted or those who are 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.570 within the industry, who I've brought into the 01:05:18.570 --> 01:05:21.450 industry and trained and set them up and had them, 01:05:21.540 --> 01:05:24.510 uh, accredited only to have them turn around 01:05:24.510 --> 01:05:29.010 and try and, uh, hurt my business in order to try 01:05:29.010 --> 01:05:31.740 and promote theirs or to take from my business in 01:05:31.740 --> 01:05:32.610 order to promote there. 01:05:32.610 --> 01:05:36.750 So, um, it is unfortunate, but then 01:05:36.750 --> 01:05:39.570 again, I look at it and I say, it's probably life. 01:05:39.750 --> 01:05:41.400 I it's probably any industry. 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:42.660 At one point, I would say, oh, there's 01:05:42.660 --> 01:05:43.320 a gun industry. 01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:43.890 I tell ya. 01:05:44.430 --> 01:05:49.140 But any industry where you're pushing and 01:05:49.260 --> 01:05:53.280 making advances, there's going to be the optics 01:05:53.340 --> 01:05:57.840 of, uh, either real or perceived money and 01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:01.200 power, money, and power or money or power. 01:06:01.410 --> 01:06:04.110 And those are, tend to be the two major things 01:06:04.110 --> 01:06:06.390 that cause issues or problems in people's 01:06:06.390 --> 01:06:10.650 lives that I've observed where if there's 01:06:10.650 --> 01:06:11.730 no money coming in. 01:06:12.674 --> 01:06:13.515 To a business. 01:06:13.545 --> 01:06:16.485 People can do some pretty strange things, right? 01:06:16.555 --> 01:06:18.555 People can get a little squirrely and sometimes 01:06:18.555 --> 01:06:22.395 it's a real good test of their, their ethics and 01:06:22.395 --> 01:06:24.285 their moral character. 01:06:25.214 --> 01:06:27.855 When there's lots of money coming in, watch 01:06:27.855 --> 01:06:30.525 out, that's where the real test happens. 01:06:31.154 --> 01:06:33.165 Number one, number two power, whether they're 01:06:33.165 --> 01:06:34.214 real or perceived. 01:06:34.545 --> 01:06:36.464 If people have a perception of some 01:06:36.464 --> 01:06:39.105 loftier, a place that they'd like to be able 01:06:39.105 --> 01:06:40.935 to get to, that can cause people to do some 01:06:40.935 --> 01:06:42.134 really squirrely things. 01:06:42.585 --> 01:06:44.924 So I think what, you're one of the ones that 01:06:44.924 --> 01:06:46.964 you may be referring to dates back to 01:06:46.964 --> 01:06:48.944 about May 16th, 2008. 01:06:49.305 --> 01:06:51.225 So that's going back there. 01:06:51.285 --> 01:06:52.005 There's the nod. 01:06:52.005 --> 01:06:52.365 I see. 01:06:52.365 --> 01:06:53.924 So that's, I'm on the right track. 01:06:54.464 --> 01:06:56.775 Um, so that goes back a little bit. 01:06:56.805 --> 01:07:00.674 That's, that's a bit of a wormhole that I'm sure 01:07:00.674 --> 01:07:04.694 at some point I will talk about in totality, I've 01:07:04.694 --> 01:07:07.964 had reporters, uh, speak to me on portions of it. 01:07:08.325 --> 01:07:11.174 I've had, uh, publishers asked to be able 01:07:11.174 --> 01:07:12.194 to publish a story. 01:07:12.735 --> 01:07:14.575 I've actually cuddled. 01:07:14.714 --> 01:07:19.035 Uh, he, a lawyer who says he'd like to write the 01:07:19.035 --> 01:07:20.775 book on it, the lawyer who actually dealt with 01:07:20.775 --> 01:07:24.075 the, uh, uh, the whole instance there, but that 01:07:24.075 --> 01:07:28.935 was a, a pretty dark day for me and for the, for 01:07:28.935 --> 01:07:30.255 the industry in general. 01:07:30.315 --> 01:07:36.765 And I fought back against the man for six years, 01:07:37.455 --> 01:07:41.775 uh, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8 years. 01:07:43.455 --> 01:07:45.525 Was it eight years and I'll have to do 01:07:45.525 --> 01:07:47.415 the math, but I fought back for some time. 01:07:47.745 --> 01:07:49.725 You can't see it, but over the, my right 01:07:49.725 --> 01:07:53.085 shoulder here, there's a, um, an apology letter 01:07:53.115 --> 01:07:56.175 that was drafted by the RCMP, a very rare apology 01:07:56.175 --> 01:07:57.105 letter for what they did. 01:07:57.675 --> 01:07:59.925 Uh, and there was a undisclosed 01:08:00.045 --> 01:08:01.215 settlement amount. 01:08:02.025 --> 01:08:06.975 And it was interesting because I didn't 01:08:07.035 --> 01:08:09.255 settle until I walked into the courtroom. 01:08:09.945 --> 01:08:13.095 I remember we had after so many years of going 01:08:13.095 --> 01:08:15.915 through a process of just corruption and 01:08:15.915 --> 01:08:21.255 malfeasance by government officials that as 01:08:21.255 --> 01:08:24.105 opposed to turning around and saying, we 01:08:24.105 --> 01:08:25.935 messed up, we're sorry. 01:08:25.995 --> 01:08:27.075 We made a mistake. 01:08:27.404 --> 01:08:30.495 Let's limit the, uh, the costs now and 01:08:30.495 --> 01:08:31.995 figure out how we can get through this. 01:08:31.995 --> 01:08:34.365 They took a different approach and they said, 01:08:34.365 --> 01:08:35.115 let's double down. 01:08:35.775 --> 01:08:37.185 Let's see if we can run this person 01:08:37.185 --> 01:08:37.935 out of business. 01:08:38.475 --> 01:08:40.545 They came up, they did an appraisal of my house. 01:08:40.545 --> 01:08:42.015 They did an appraisal of my business. 01:08:42.015 --> 01:08:44.085 They did an appraisal of my family's house 01:08:44.085 --> 01:08:47.205 and they said, here's how much money we think 01:08:47.205 --> 01:08:48.465 you can get to fight. 01:08:49.075 --> 01:08:51.465 It'd be much cheaper if you just sign on 01:08:51.465 --> 01:08:53.235 the dotted line, just this little letter that 01:08:53.235 --> 01:08:55.395 says, you're sorry, you get everything back. 01:08:55.425 --> 01:08:56.835 We'll drop, everything's gone. 01:08:58.305 --> 01:09:00.165 And I said, you know, I'll sell everything. 01:09:00.555 --> 01:09:02.145 I'll live in a cardboard box. 01:09:02.685 --> 01:09:05.654 My wife and kids might not be too happy with me, 01:09:06.375 --> 01:09:08.865 but no point in my life. 01:09:08.895 --> 01:09:10.335 Am I ever going to admit to you any 01:09:10.335 --> 01:09:11.715 sort of wrongdoing that I never did? 01:09:12.765 --> 01:09:14.865 If I did something wrong, I'd be in a heartbeat 01:09:14.865 --> 01:09:16.725 up there saying, Hey, sounds like a good deal. 01:09:17.505 --> 01:09:19.305 So walked into the courtroom. 01:09:19.965 --> 01:09:22.395 And, uh, it was funny because it's went 01:09:22.395 --> 01:09:26.115 up to, um, the, the head of the RCMP. 01:09:26.175 --> 01:09:28.845 And I remember the, it was just an odd, odd 01:09:28.845 --> 01:09:32.505 negotiation practice, uh, like a couple days before 01:09:32.565 --> 01:09:34.155 that we're supposed to be going to court and 01:09:34.155 --> 01:09:35.235 calling them to task. 01:09:35.985 --> 01:09:38.865 And the department of justice says, 01:09:39.705 --> 01:09:40.755 how will you just give us a number? 01:09:40.845 --> 01:09:42.045 Just, just tell us what you want. 01:09:42.165 --> 01:09:43.665 And then we'll throw numbers back and 01:09:43.665 --> 01:09:45.795 forth and, and we'll figure something out. 01:09:45.795 --> 01:09:46.725 We don't have to go to court. 01:09:47.265 --> 01:09:47.865 I'm sorry. 01:09:47.865 --> 01:09:52.575 This is after what, let me, let me, eight years. 01:09:52.695 --> 01:09:54.255 It was eight years after eight years. 01:09:54.255 --> 01:09:55.665 You want to just do this little back and 01:09:55.665 --> 01:09:56.565 forth number game? 01:09:56.715 --> 01:09:57.075 Nope. 01:09:57.135 --> 01:09:57.645 Sorry. 01:09:57.705 --> 01:09:58.065 Right. 01:09:58.785 --> 01:10:00.975 And I had originally come up with a number 01:10:01.425 --> 01:10:05.985 which was, um, uh, on the higher end, but 01:10:05.985 --> 01:10:09.735 I said, guys, tell you what we can bring 01:10:09.735 --> 01:10:10.665 that number down. 01:10:11.595 --> 01:10:13.755 How about you provide me with an apology letter 01:10:13.785 --> 01:10:18.345 for what you did a couple of days before they start 01:10:18.855 --> 01:10:20.475 this negotiation process. 01:10:21.285 --> 01:10:23.565 And it was funny cause I remember they said, well, 01:10:24.075 --> 01:10:25.635 the number we're looking at here, we're going to 01:10:25.635 --> 01:10:28.575 have to get this approved by Robert Paulson who, 01:10:28.575 --> 01:10:30.945 uh, always sticks in the back of my neck. 01:10:30.975 --> 01:10:33.525 My commission RCMP at the time. 01:10:34.005 --> 01:10:34.305 Right. 01:10:34.605 --> 01:10:36.675 Robert Paulson was the commissioner of the RCMP, 01:10:36.675 --> 01:10:38.235 but always pretty hard. 01:10:39.180 --> 01:10:41.430 Anyway, it was, um, yeah, the corruption 01:10:41.430 --> 01:10:42.030 was high level. 01:10:42.630 --> 01:10:46.320 Um, the, what was it? 01:10:46.320 --> 01:10:46.890 Fight club. 01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:48.570 His name is Robert Paulson. 01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:51.330 It's a C always a stuck in the back 01:10:51.330 --> 01:10:53.130 of my head anyways. 01:10:53.370 --> 01:10:54.030 They said, well, we're going to have 01:10:54.030 --> 01:10:54.630 to wake them up. 01:10:55.230 --> 01:10:56.730 I said, well, go ahead, wake them up. 01:10:56.830 --> 01:10:57.060 Right. 01:10:57.090 --> 01:10:57.720 I don't care. 01:10:57.720 --> 01:10:57.980 Right. 01:10:58.230 --> 01:10:59.400 They're playing this goofy game 01:10:59.400 --> 01:11:00.030 back and forth. 01:11:00.030 --> 01:11:01.680 And finally I said, forget it. 01:11:01.890 --> 01:11:02.970 I'm going to see you in court. 01:11:03.630 --> 01:11:05.130 We'll just go for the high number. 01:11:05.190 --> 01:11:06.510 Forget the apology letter. 01:11:06.870 --> 01:11:11.040 Well, as it ended, I got the number and the 01:11:11.040 --> 01:11:13.230 apology letter I walked into the courtroom 01:11:13.230 --> 01:11:15.990 department of justice says I've never met 01:11:16.380 --> 01:11:18.360 anybody with your level of brinkmanship. 01:11:19.200 --> 01:11:21.360 And I said, first off, I didn't even understand 01:11:21.360 --> 01:11:22.050 what that word meant. 01:11:22.110 --> 01:11:24.090 I figured it out when he said it, but I'd never 01:11:24.090 --> 01:11:26.940 heard the word before, but, uh, I said, you 01:11:26.940 --> 01:11:29.670 have to understand there was no break for me. 01:11:30.630 --> 01:11:33.270 I was already over, you might've had a break, 01:11:33.870 --> 01:11:41.250 but I was all in, um, in the end, oh, in the DOJ 01:11:41.250 --> 01:11:43.170 and the separate people had their own lawyers, 01:11:43.170 --> 01:11:43.950 their lawyers came up. 01:11:44.030 --> 01:11:45.120 I want to shake your hand. 01:11:45.120 --> 01:11:47.880 Travis, kind of like no hard feelings when he 01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:48.810 had over in the corner. 01:11:48.810 --> 01:11:50.220 He didn't want anything to do with that. 01:11:50.220 --> 01:11:52.050 Two of them wanted to shake my hand, which 01:11:52.080 --> 01:11:57.870 I had no interest in, um, that dollar amount 01:11:57.870 --> 01:12:01.200 that the government came up with really, in 01:12:01.200 --> 01:12:03.330 hindsight, even though I was holding their feet 01:12:03.330 --> 01:12:05.850 to the fire on that one, not only could have I 01:12:05.850 --> 01:12:07.020 got a lot more, I'm sure. 01:12:08.160 --> 01:12:11.760 Um, it means absolutely nothing to me, that 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:13.350 apology letter, which I was willing to 01:12:13.350 --> 01:12:16.230 throw out and just go for, Hey, that's it. 01:12:16.230 --> 01:12:17.160 I'm going to stick it to you. 01:12:18.030 --> 01:12:20.520 That apology letter means so much more. 01:12:20.730 --> 01:12:23.250 You don't have to stand up and say, well, he 01:12:23.250 --> 01:12:25.860 had good lawyers or is it a technicality or 01:12:26.100 --> 01:12:27.540 no, it's very clear. 01:12:28.470 --> 01:12:31.830 They fucked up and they've taken 01:12:31.830 --> 01:12:32.790 accountability for it. 01:12:33.030 --> 01:12:39.000 And that in a nutshell is the, um, kind of defines 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:40.620 me and my character. 01:12:41.670 --> 01:12:45.000 What means more to me than money is 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:45.870 your reputation. 01:12:46.650 --> 01:12:50.100 And as much as I'd like to say, you know, you 01:12:50.100 --> 01:12:51.720 should never care what other people think. 01:12:52.290 --> 01:12:54.360 Uh, I've just come to realize that's part 01:12:54.360 --> 01:12:55.380 of my personality. 01:12:55.440 --> 01:12:56.160 I do care. 01:12:56.160 --> 01:12:57.720 I care about how I'm perceived when 01:12:57.720 --> 01:12:58.320 I'm out there. 01:12:58.650 --> 01:13:02.790 So, um, yeah, that was a long-winded way 01:13:02.790 --> 01:13:04.500 of talking about the story without actually 01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:09.120 saying anything really so that others can, 01:13:09.120 --> 01:13:10.470 uh, they can Google it. 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:12.780 They can look in the newspapers. 01:13:12.780 --> 01:13:14.550 I was front page of the newspaper in our 01:13:14.550 --> 01:13:15.660 province and the sun. 01:13:15.660 --> 01:13:18.480 And, uh, then they can read a boat if they 01:13:18.570 --> 01:13:20.250 dig down a little bit further, they'll going 01:13:20.250 --> 01:13:22.140 to see the apology letter and they're going to see 01:13:22.170 --> 01:13:25.470 criminal charges against the, uh, uh, one of the 01:13:25.470 --> 01:13:26.790 law enforcement officers. 01:13:26.790 --> 01:13:28.350 And then he was convicted. 01:13:28.350 --> 01:13:31.200 And I mean, it's a, it's a difficult thing 01:13:31.200 --> 01:13:33.990 for me to be able to speak to without going 01:13:33.990 --> 01:13:35.040 down that rabbit hole. 01:13:35.220 --> 01:13:36.030 So it's something that. 01:13:36.855 --> 01:13:37.305 I'm sure. 01:13:37.305 --> 01:13:39.255 At some point we'll be spoken about in 01:13:39.255 --> 01:13:42.765 greater detail, maybe the audience would be 01:13:42.765 --> 01:13:44.505 interested in hearing it and they can let me 01:13:44.505 --> 01:13:47.745 know, but if I'm going to do that, it can't 01:13:47.745 --> 01:13:50.295 just be for the purposes of complaining or for 01:13:50.295 --> 01:13:52.934 the purposes of just pointing fingers at the 01:13:52.934 --> 01:13:55.184 people who did wrongdoing and how the system 01:13:55.724 --> 01:13:58.275 essentially, rather than looking bad, would 01:13:58.275 --> 01:14:03.495 prefer to support them and try and push somebody 01:14:03.495 --> 01:14:04.305 out of the business. 01:14:04.575 --> 01:14:08.265 Um, it's gotta be from a positive perspective 01:14:08.295 --> 01:14:09.525 and when I can get my head wrapped around 01:14:09.525 --> 01:14:10.215 a way to do that. 01:14:10.965 --> 01:14:11.175 Yeah. 01:14:11.205 --> 01:14:11.865 We'll talk about it. 01:14:13.905 --> 01:14:16.965 Well, if I can help in any way I'm here, 01:14:17.505 --> 01:14:19.724 um, selfishly, I want to know the story, 01:14:19.724 --> 01:14:22.515 but also I also, I struggled with something 01:14:22.515 --> 01:14:23.415 I struggle with. 01:14:24.105 --> 01:14:25.875 Um, it's, it's, it's really easy to 01:14:25.875 --> 01:14:28.125 complain and blame and point fingers. 01:14:28.125 --> 01:14:30.405 And I, it's fun to do for 10 minutes, 01:14:30.405 --> 01:14:32.625 but I want to, I want my contribution to 01:14:32.625 --> 01:14:33.345 be bigger than that. 01:14:34.215 --> 01:14:36.405 Um, and I think you do too, and that's why 01:14:36.405 --> 01:14:39.224 I'm I'm I don't think, I don't see you as a 01:14:39.224 --> 01:14:44.035 guy who, uh, um, who also, who likes to 01:14:44.565 --> 01:14:46.755 bathes and complaining and finger pointing 01:14:46.755 --> 01:14:48.224 and blaming others for what happens to them. 01:14:48.224 --> 01:14:49.575 You know, you don't, you don't strike me as 01:14:49.575 --> 01:14:51.705 someone who, who rebels in the victim mindset. 01:14:53.205 --> 01:14:55.125 You can do that and it's easy to do. 01:14:55.184 --> 01:14:57.075 And it particularly in our industry, it's 01:14:57.075 --> 01:14:59.474 really easy to adopt that victim mindset. 01:14:59.474 --> 01:15:00.585 Cause it's just a part of the. 01:15:01.305 --> 01:15:03.165 Our culture, unfortunately, that 01:15:03.345 --> 01:15:05.685 just, it stems a big, great back to the 01:15:05.715 --> 01:15:08.385 language that we use of, Hey, I'm sorry. 01:15:08.505 --> 01:15:11.775 I'm Canadian or law abiding firearms owner. 01:15:11.805 --> 01:15:14.625 Each one of those with subconsciously 01:15:14.775 --> 01:15:17.265 is going into that whole victim mindset. 01:15:17.745 --> 01:15:20.295 But on the other side of that, I might not even 01:15:20.295 --> 01:15:22.575 be the best person to tell that story, even 01:15:22.575 --> 01:15:24.915 though I know it in and out, and I know all 01:15:24.915 --> 01:15:27.075 the different nuances, because there are some 01:15:27.075 --> 01:15:29.115 parts of that story that are incredibly important 01:15:29.115 --> 01:15:32.085 to me that just might be boring to others, right. 01:15:32.085 --> 01:15:33.495 And might not be important to others. 01:15:33.495 --> 01:15:35.385 And there's so many different tangents to 01:15:35.385 --> 01:15:36.705 it over eight years. 01:15:36.945 --> 01:15:39.975 I mean, we had people playing silly bugger 01:15:39.975 --> 01:15:42.405 games of driving by and taking pictures. 01:15:42.405 --> 01:15:45.825 My wife was in the house in, in a marked vehicle 01:15:46.365 --> 01:15:50.085 and, um, go to the, uh, police department 01:15:50.115 --> 01:15:50.985 logic complaint. 01:15:51.255 --> 01:15:53.625 It was just like harassment tactics. 01:15:54.045 --> 01:15:58.035 And, um, department says, Nope, nobody 01:15:58.035 --> 01:15:58.965 was ever in that area. 01:15:59.385 --> 01:16:00.705 No, we don't have a record of that. 01:16:00.735 --> 01:16:02.295 I said, well, you know, I know the person who 01:16:02.295 --> 01:16:04.455 installed the radios in your car and you've cars. 01:16:04.455 --> 01:16:06.105 You have GPS, you can pull it up. 01:16:06.405 --> 01:16:07.155 Nope, Nope, Nope. 01:16:07.665 --> 01:16:10.905 So finally, after all of that, I said, okay, in 01:16:10.905 --> 01:16:13.215 a few, but a month, the process of them doing 01:16:13.215 --> 01:16:14.655 their investigation and coming back. 01:16:14.655 --> 01:16:15.195 Absolutely. 01:16:16.394 --> 01:16:16.835 Okay. 01:16:16.905 --> 01:16:18.915 I didn't mention, I also have cameras on 01:16:18.915 --> 01:16:20.955 the house and, and here's the vehicle. 01:16:21.015 --> 01:16:21.465 Oops. 01:16:21.495 --> 01:16:22.035 Okay. 01:16:22.035 --> 01:16:24.105 And they had to backtrack and here's 01:16:24.105 --> 01:16:24.795 pictures of it. 01:16:24.795 --> 01:16:26.175 He pictures of the officers doing, I mean, 01:16:26.175 --> 01:16:28.365 there's all these little tangents of areas I go 01:16:28.365 --> 01:16:32.385 off with your eight years of, um, intimidation and, 01:16:33.045 --> 01:16:39.885 um, bullying tactics by, uh, by an organization 01:16:39.885 --> 01:16:42.075 that most Canadians are brought up to believe 01:16:42.075 --> 01:16:44.175 is there to protect them and has their 01:16:44.175 --> 01:16:45.345 best interests in mind. 01:16:46.575 --> 01:16:49.545 And by and large, a lot of them do. 01:16:49.725 --> 01:16:52.755 But when some decide to go rogue, it's 01:16:52.755 --> 01:16:57.165 interesting how the masses or the, uh, 01:16:57.195 --> 01:16:59.775 organization will circle its wagons in order 01:16:59.775 --> 01:17:03.495 to sort of protect themselves again, like 01:17:03.495 --> 01:17:05.505 I say, bit of a rabbit hole and I'm probably 01:17:05.505 --> 01:17:07.125 not the best person to tell the full story 01:17:07.934 --> 01:17:10.365 w I'm going to, you are the best person to tell 01:17:10.365 --> 01:17:11.985 it from your point of view, you are the best 01:17:11.985 --> 01:17:14.865 person to give you how you live through it and 01:17:16.755 --> 01:17:17.535 pursue it through it. 01:17:18.255 --> 01:17:21.075 Do you, um, do you think that this was, 01:17:21.675 --> 01:17:23.955 I'm trying to get to the question, um, do you 01:17:23.955 --> 01:17:25.934 think that this was an action by two rogue slime 01:17:25.934 --> 01:17:28.905 balls or, and that the system is still good? 01:17:28.905 --> 01:17:31.275 Or do you think the system is right? 01:17:32.595 --> 01:17:35.985 Um, you know, that's a good question. 01:17:36.045 --> 01:17:38.495 So I, yeah, there is some slime balls. 01:17:39.480 --> 01:17:42.570 Uh, none of them got what I feel they should have 01:17:42.570 --> 01:17:43.380 gotten at the end of it. 01:17:43.380 --> 01:17:45.450 Even the one who was criminally charged, 01:17:45.450 --> 01:17:48.270 didn't get what I felt would be appropriate, 01:17:48.270 --> 01:17:49.950 but Hey, that's a system that's in place. 01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:55.590 Um, there's going to be like any occupation. 01:17:56.700 --> 01:17:58.740 The majority of people are lazy. 01:17:59.550 --> 01:18:00.990 Really humans are lazy. 01:18:00.990 --> 01:18:02.610 We're creatures, animals are lazy. 01:18:02.610 --> 01:18:04.310 It's why we have game trails, right? 01:18:04.320 --> 01:18:06.420 Because they, they find an easy way to walk 01:18:06.450 --> 01:18:08.760 and they create a trail and that's, you know, 01:18:08.790 --> 01:18:09.570 it's easier, right? 01:18:09.630 --> 01:18:10.620 It's easy to go through. 01:18:11.490 --> 01:18:16.710 So by and large people will take the easy way 01:18:16.950 --> 01:18:18.600 to get their job done. 01:18:18.630 --> 01:18:21.150 And there's going to be those small percentage 01:18:21.210 --> 01:18:23.370 that are just going above and beyond and 01:18:23.370 --> 01:18:24.990 doing a fantastic job. 01:18:25.740 --> 01:18:28.020 And there's going to be that small percentage 01:18:29.130 --> 01:18:30.900 who are on the opposite side of that spectrum. 01:18:31.890 --> 01:18:36.420 So I don't think, I think it's just a process of 01:18:36.420 --> 01:18:38.520 human nature for the most part, whether the 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:40.200 system is messed up. 01:18:40.230 --> 01:18:41.970 Well, I think the system is human nature. 01:18:41.970 --> 01:18:44.310 I think people are going to protect if you and 01:18:44.310 --> 01:18:47.670 I belong to a club and somebody in the club does 01:18:47.670 --> 01:18:49.200 something that's offside. 01:18:49.440 --> 01:18:51.390 Uh, we might say, well, but we know that person. 01:18:51.390 --> 01:18:52.230 And they're a good person. 01:18:52.230 --> 01:18:53.340 They're just like me. 01:18:53.460 --> 01:18:56.310 Well, maybe they're not just like you, but you 01:18:56.310 --> 01:18:59.130 would be, you'd have a cognitive bias towards 01:18:59.130 --> 01:19:02.040 possibly wishing to protect that individual 01:19:02.040 --> 01:19:03.710 to protect the good name of the club or 01:19:03.750 --> 01:19:04.740 whatever it might be. 01:19:04.740 --> 01:19:05.130 Right. 01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:10.680 And I think that's where, uh, Whole organizations 01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:12.330 can be pegged as bad. 01:19:13.320 --> 01:19:16.500 Whereas like this one involved the RCMP, I 01:19:16.500 --> 01:19:19.050 don't think the RCMP as a full organization is bad. 01:19:19.050 --> 01:19:20.550 I think they're not without their problems, 01:19:20.550 --> 01:19:22.019 but I think they got a hell of a lot of really 01:19:22.019 --> 01:19:26.970 good people there, but it still stems down to man. 01:19:27.030 --> 01:19:27.960 I got a job to do. 01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:29.460 I do it day in, day out. 01:19:29.519 --> 01:19:31.230 I want to go home safe to my family. 01:19:31.230 --> 01:19:33.180 Am I going to go above and beyond it 01:19:33.180 --> 01:19:36.030 really put my neck out there, whether that be 01:19:36.360 --> 01:19:39.120 physical risk, whether that be political 01:19:39.120 --> 01:19:40.590 risk, that job acts. 01:19:40.590 --> 01:19:43.920 If I step up and say something, uh, or am 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:46.710 I just going to find a way to be able to get to 01:19:46.710 --> 01:19:48.960 this and, and be able to continue helping people? 01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:49.890 Cause I'm a good person. 01:19:49.890 --> 01:19:51.210 I want to help people and I can find 01:19:51.210 --> 01:19:51.960 another way to do it. 01:19:52.410 --> 01:19:56.580 I, I think, um, the process has taught 01:19:56.580 --> 01:20:01.380 me who, uh, who your friends are. 01:20:02.040 --> 01:20:03.390 I think it's taught me that. 01:20:03.690 --> 01:20:05.970 Well, there are some people out there who 01:20:05.970 --> 01:20:08.400 would, most people would want to cover 01:20:08.400 --> 01:20:10.500 their own butt and protect themselves. 01:20:11.250 --> 01:20:14.400 Um, if just keeping their mouth shut was the easy 01:20:14.400 --> 01:20:15.990 way and they could make sure they're protected 01:20:16.470 --> 01:20:17.370 most would take that. 01:20:18.269 --> 01:20:20.100 But it also surprised me that there were some 01:20:20.100 --> 01:20:21.720 that just came out of the woodwork who owed 01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:25.140 me nothing who I didn't know who stood up and 01:20:25.140 --> 01:20:28.320 put their careers on the line in order to say what 01:20:28.320 --> 01:20:29.250 they knew to be true. 01:20:29.700 --> 01:20:33.030 So that was, um, you know, it's, it goes 01:20:33.030 --> 01:20:33.720 down to the whole. 01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:35.490 Is, are people inherently good? 01:20:35.490 --> 01:20:36.570 Are people inherently bad? 01:20:38.070 --> 01:20:38.400 Um, 01:20:39.030 --> 01:20:42.870 you also spoke a couple of months ago as an 01:20:42.870 --> 01:20:44.700 expert witness in one of the federal court 01:20:44.700 --> 01:20:48.390 cases, uh, to, to stop the mass criminalization 01:20:48.390 --> 01:20:49.740 of, of May, 2020. 01:20:50.550 --> 01:20:51.690 What led you to do that? 01:20:51.690 --> 01:20:53.220 Like you think don't, you have enough on 01:20:53.220 --> 01:20:53.760 your plate right now? 01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:56.700 What, what led you to be allow yourself? 01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:58.290 It's a pretty grueling process as well to 01:20:58.290 --> 01:21:00.870 be cross-examined and, um, what led you 01:21:00.870 --> 01:21:01.860 to say yes to that? 01:21:01.860 --> 01:21:04.070 To have to file a testimony, um, filing an 01:21:04.070 --> 01:21:05.130 affidavit and agree to be 01:21:05.580 --> 01:21:06.210 cross-examined. 01:21:06.780 --> 01:21:10.600 I was asked even if that's the shorts or 01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:14.100 in the long answer to that would be, uh, 01:21:14.270 --> 01:21:17.100 I, I don't find it a grueling process of, of 01:21:17.100 --> 01:21:18.510 being cross-examined. 01:21:18.540 --> 01:21:20.820 I've been cross-examined on numerous occasions 01:21:20.820 --> 01:21:23.610 for, in the consulting work that I do. 01:21:24.270 --> 01:21:26.880 If I know something to be true and I can back that 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:29.550 up, I will speak to that. 01:21:29.580 --> 01:21:30.150 It's easy. 01:21:30.210 --> 01:21:31.980 And if I want to use liberal speak, you know, 01:21:31.980 --> 01:21:33.090 you speak your truth. 01:21:33.780 --> 01:21:35.160 Not that you want to say that, because 01:21:35.160 --> 01:21:36.810 that would imply that there's another truth. 01:21:37.230 --> 01:21:39.090 So you speak the truth. 01:21:39.510 --> 01:21:41.370 You just tell what you know, to be true. 01:21:42.030 --> 01:21:45.630 And as a subject matter expert, it's my job 01:21:45.660 --> 01:21:49.650 to be providing the courts with information 01:21:49.650 --> 01:21:51.480 so they can make the best possible decision. 01:21:52.320 --> 01:21:55.470 I've worked on some cases as a subject matter 01:21:55.470 --> 01:21:57.780 expert at the provincial level, at the federal 01:21:57.780 --> 01:22:01.800 level, uh, Where I've gone in, I've provided 01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:03.990 my information and it was completely contrary 01:22:04.410 --> 01:22:06.840 to those who had hired me, what they would 01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:07.920 like to be able to hear. 01:22:08.400 --> 01:22:11.830 But that's, that's the, the risk, I guess, that 01:22:12.019 --> 01:22:15.059 they go in, uh, they were hoping to have 01:22:15.090 --> 01:22:17.010 me say one thing, but that wasn't the truth. 01:22:17.070 --> 01:22:19.170 And if you're going to employ me to provide 01:22:19.170 --> 01:22:21.720 information, I'll provide exactly what I see to be 01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:23.340 true and quantify why. 01:22:24.120 --> 01:22:27.420 Um, I remember another one where I provided 01:22:27.420 --> 01:22:32.940 all the information and the other side lied and 01:22:32.940 --> 01:22:35.880 clearly lied and I was astounded and it was 01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:38.010 just a bit of a, uh, an eye-opener for me. 01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:41.580 Uh, you know, the individual actually, uh, 01:22:41.610 --> 01:22:43.470 not personally, but you know, the individual, 01:22:43.620 --> 01:22:46.050 um, I'm not gonna mention the name on here. 01:22:46.740 --> 01:22:53.130 Um, and I should say, you know of, and, um, 01:22:54.540 --> 01:22:58.559 it, if you give your testimony in court and 01:22:58.559 --> 01:23:00.510 you were already done and you've given your 01:23:00.510 --> 01:23:02.250 information, you can sit in and watch the 01:23:02.250 --> 01:23:03.480 other side if you want. 01:23:03.480 --> 01:23:05.700 So I did, if you haven't given your testimony, 01:23:05.700 --> 01:23:07.019 you got to sit out and while the other 01:23:07.019 --> 01:23:09.660 side gives her stuff, I gave my testimony. 01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:12.900 I watched the other side, this guy had no idea 01:23:12.990 --> 01:23:16.290 that everything I said, essentially supported 01:23:16.350 --> 01:23:18.059 their line of thinking. 01:23:18.210 --> 01:23:20.820 I didn't say anything, but took a position 01:23:20.820 --> 01:23:23.550 where they had to misrepresent the truth. 01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:24.930 Do you use legal speak. 01:23:25.740 --> 01:23:27.930 Uh, to try and get his point across in the end. 01:23:27.930 --> 01:23:31.620 It really didn't matter because regardless of 01:23:31.620 --> 01:23:34.170 what was right or wrong in that particular 01:23:34.170 --> 01:23:38.130 court case, it was, did the government follow 01:23:38.190 --> 01:23:39.390 the proper process. 01:23:39.390 --> 01:23:43.080 When coming up with the end conclusion again, eye 01:23:43.080 --> 01:23:45.630 opening for me, they can come up with a completely 01:23:45.630 --> 01:23:48.090 erroneous conclusion, but if they can show 01:23:48.090 --> 01:23:50.010 that they followed the right process, they 01:23:50.010 --> 01:23:51.870 took step one, step two, step three, as 01:23:51.870 --> 01:23:52.550 they're supposed to. 01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:54.930 And they come up to their maybe a 01:23:54.930 --> 01:23:57.780 predetermined conclusion, which is completely 01:23:57.780 --> 01:23:59.430 contrary to what all the facts would say. 01:23:59.700 --> 01:24:00.150 It's okay. 01:24:00.150 --> 01:24:01.800 That conclusion stands because they followed 01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:04.080 the process and that's how that legal process is 01:24:04.470 --> 01:24:05.700 designed to approach it. 01:24:06.480 --> 01:24:09.720 So, um, yeah, it's always a learning experience. 01:24:09.750 --> 01:24:13.650 Why would I put myself out there because I know 01:24:13.650 --> 01:24:14.490 something to be true. 01:24:14.610 --> 01:24:16.410 I'll share that if the courts agree with 01:24:16.410 --> 01:24:19.470 me, so be it, if they don't agree with me. 01:24:20.070 --> 01:24:23.040 So being really, I've got to try and divest 01:24:23.040 --> 01:24:25.920 myself emotionally from that whole process, I'm 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:28.290 not trying to argue a stance or a position. 01:24:28.350 --> 01:24:30.240 I'm just providing them with information, which 01:24:30.240 --> 01:24:30.900 I know to be true. 01:24:33.930 --> 01:24:36.750 And now I'm, I'm thinking that sounds pretty 01:24:36.750 --> 01:24:37.920 common sense to me. 01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:40.920 And I'm thinking of what separates, I view that 01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:43.560 as sticking your neck out, because I believe 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:46.590 there is lots of people who would probably 01:24:46.590 --> 01:24:48.600 have the same views or very similar views to 01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:51.450 you, but the reason we know your name and the 01:24:51.450 --> 01:24:53.160 reason you were called in as a, as an expert 01:24:53.160 --> 01:24:54.210 witness is because there's something. 01:24:55.050 --> 01:24:58.530 That separates you from all those other people. 01:24:59.250 --> 01:25:03.450 And I'm thinking any, any of us who stick, I'm 01:25:03.450 --> 01:25:05.160 going to call, you know, stick our necks out. 01:25:05.190 --> 01:25:08.580 Uh, as the summary of creative business 01:25:08.610 --> 01:25:10.380 puts them, it says yes, when he's called 01:25:10.380 --> 01:25:12.660 to, to step forward and speak publicly. 01:25:13.770 --> 01:25:15.870 And I'm just wondering what separates people 01:25:15.870 --> 01:25:19.470 like us from the people who keep quiet and, 01:25:20.220 --> 01:25:23.670 um, there's people who keep quiet and don't 01:25:23.670 --> 01:25:24.390 do what they're told. 01:25:24.390 --> 01:25:25.800 I'm thinking of the people who keep quiet 01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:26.910 and do what they're told. 01:25:26.910 --> 01:25:28.350 Those are the people who really scare me. 01:25:29.850 --> 01:25:30.210 Yeah. 01:25:30.270 --> 01:25:30.930 That is scary. 01:25:31.290 --> 01:25:31.800 I agree. 01:25:32.280 --> 01:25:34.500 And I think, I think people just have to 01:25:34.500 --> 01:25:35.250 pick their battles. 01:25:35.790 --> 01:25:36.090 Right. 01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:39.750 Um, it's probably stuff that you would think 01:25:39.750 --> 01:25:41.940 of personally from a personal standpoint, 01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:45.090 uh, that I don't see you reporting on because 01:25:45.120 --> 01:25:47.820 it's just, where are your efforts best quit. 01:25:48.150 --> 01:25:48.480 Right. 01:25:49.290 --> 01:25:53.640 Um, so on, on the firearms side, you 01:25:53.640 --> 01:25:57.510 know, people would refer to me as a gun guy. 01:25:58.440 --> 01:26:00.000 I've never thought of myself as a gun person. 01:26:00.690 --> 01:26:01.770 You know, I've been shooting since I've 01:26:01.770 --> 01:26:02.700 been four years old. 01:26:03.030 --> 01:26:06.420 I got my first rifle when I was five, a little 22 01:26:06.420 --> 01:26:09.090 Stevens took down into two pieces would fit my 01:26:09.090 --> 01:26:11.430 backpack, custom stock on it to fit my small 01:26:11.430 --> 01:26:17.520 frame, short barrel and, um, shot competitively, 01:26:17.730 --> 01:26:20.070 uh, as a preteen and through my teenage years. 01:26:20.070 --> 01:26:20.340 And 01:26:24.750 --> 01:26:25.830 That's just one aspect. 01:26:25.890 --> 01:26:29.280 It's like, it's like saying, ah, I don't know. 01:26:29.490 --> 01:26:33.600 Um, I mean, there's so many other aspects to 01:26:33.600 --> 01:26:36.270 everybody's personality and character and 01:26:36.510 --> 01:26:39.000 to be a gun guy, I enjoy the process. 01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:40.050 I enjoy building. 01:26:40.080 --> 01:26:43.440 I enjoy looking at the, um, the structure 01:26:43.440 --> 01:26:45.360 that's in place, which I think is beneficial 01:26:45.360 --> 01:26:46.860 to the courts. 01:26:47.010 --> 01:26:49.880 When I, I look at it perhaps from a 01:26:49.950 --> 01:26:50.940 different perspective. 01:26:51.510 --> 01:26:55.680 Um, yeah, but when it comes down to 01:26:55.680 --> 01:26:57.570 the question about sticking your neck out, 01:26:59.790 --> 01:27:01.620 maybe it comes, maybe it's the same thing. 01:27:01.620 --> 01:27:06.330 It's I remember a, um, I crown, uh, counsel 01:27:06.330 --> 01:27:08.910 in, in one case and I want to shake your hand. 01:27:08.940 --> 01:27:10.260 I really respect what you've done, 01:27:10.260 --> 01:27:10.860 blah, blah, blah. 01:27:10.890 --> 01:27:11.190 Right. 01:27:12.020 --> 01:27:17.340 And, um, it's got nothing to do with respect. 01:27:17.340 --> 01:27:19.020 It's got nothing to do with brinkmanship. 01:27:19.380 --> 01:27:20.790 I think when you're in a position, you 01:27:20.790 --> 01:27:21.840 just act accordingly. 01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:24.660 I think there are some true heroes out there 01:27:24.660 --> 01:27:26.700 that do heroic things on a daily basis. 01:27:26.700 --> 01:27:29.130 And sometimes people are putting extraordinary 01:27:29.130 --> 01:27:31.830 circumstances and they just react and 01:27:31.860 --> 01:27:33.120 people are like, oh, that person's a hero. 01:27:33.120 --> 01:27:34.380 The person who says no, no, no, I'm not, 01:27:34.380 --> 01:27:35.280 I'm not, I'm not right. 01:27:35.610 --> 01:27:39.180 I think it basically comes down to, um, 01:27:40.950 --> 01:27:45.300 some chance and just, um, the, the position 01:27:45.300 --> 01:27:45.780 that you're in. 01:27:45.780 --> 01:27:48.180 So I don't think I'm, I don't feel like 01:27:48.180 --> 01:27:49.620 I'm sticking my neck out there when I'm 01:27:49.620 --> 01:27:50.280 doing these things. 01:27:51.120 --> 01:27:51.180 So. 01:27:53.460 --> 01:27:54.840 But I do know full well that when you're 01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:56.550 running a business, there are consequences 01:27:56.550 --> 01:27:59.730 to, uh, alienating the civil servants who, 01:27:59.970 --> 01:28:02.220 uh, administrate the business, governments 01:28:02.220 --> 01:28:03.660 will come and go with the civil servants 01:28:04.320 --> 01:28:05.309 they remain in place. 01:28:07.349 --> 01:28:09.360 So it's, um, it's interesting. 01:28:09.360 --> 01:28:11.309 I'm just thinking about this also in the context 01:28:11.340 --> 01:28:16.710 of the, I don't like the idea of heroes, because 01:28:16.710 --> 01:28:20.790 I think we all play a role and one person's, 01:28:20.820 --> 01:28:21.540 you know, you're my hero. 01:28:21.540 --> 01:28:23.370 I was like, no, I'm just, just doing a job and 01:28:23.400 --> 01:28:25.110 you don't know whatever I switched it could, we 01:28:25.110 --> 01:28:27.059 can that there could be another wormhole, but 01:28:27.059 --> 01:28:30.150 the, um, the people who stand up in, especially 01:28:30.150 --> 01:28:33.120 in this, in this current socio cultural, 01:28:33.120 --> 01:28:35.610 political, legislative thing that we have going 01:28:35.610 --> 01:28:38.550 on in Canada at the moment, it strikes me 01:28:38.790 --> 01:28:43.440 that out of 2.2 million licensed individuals 01:28:43.440 --> 01:28:45.000 and a couple of hundred thousand directly 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:48.030 targeted by the may 20, 20 mass criminalization 01:28:48.630 --> 01:28:52.470 and, um, hundreds, maybe thousands of businesses. 01:28:53.130 --> 01:28:57.000 So few people, so few of us, I'm going to call 01:28:57.000 --> 01:28:58.200 that the community of us. 01:28:58.440 --> 01:29:02.730 So few of us have said a word to say, 01:29:02.730 --> 01:29:03.530 hang on a second. 01:29:03.590 --> 01:29:06.210 This, this, this isn't right. 01:29:06.210 --> 01:29:07.920 Or, or donated a dollar. 01:29:08.400 --> 01:29:11.910 Um, it strikes me again that some people do stand 01:29:11.910 --> 01:29:13.920 up and some people don't. 01:29:14.070 --> 01:29:15.660 I get pick picking your battles. 01:29:16.260 --> 01:29:17.730 You also, as something else. 01:29:20.625 --> 01:29:22.815 The concept of gun ownership, I think, 01:29:22.875 --> 01:29:25.575 and I hesitate saying this because I don't 01:29:25.575 --> 01:29:27.945 know enough about the shooting community, if 01:29:27.945 --> 01:29:30.195 there is such a thing, but I think that gun 01:29:30.225 --> 01:29:34.305 ownership, isn't really a thing that binds that 01:29:34.305 --> 01:29:36.225 there's something, when you said you're not a gun 01:29:36.225 --> 01:29:37.125 guy that kind of tick. 01:29:37.155 --> 01:29:37.725 Oh yeah. 01:29:37.995 --> 01:29:40.695 Well, because there's gun owners who believe 01:29:41.355 --> 01:29:43.995 like everybody else in society, we are 01:29:44.835 --> 01:29:46.935 all over the map in terms of our religious, 01:29:46.935 --> 01:29:49.125 political, social, cultural, whatever, 01:29:49.455 --> 01:29:51.405 how we identify that. 01:29:52.065 --> 01:29:54.435 I wonder if one of the reasons we don't 01:29:54.435 --> 01:29:58.575 see unity is that gun ownership, isn't really 01:29:58.575 --> 01:30:02.325 a thing that unifies and there are within 01:30:02.325 --> 01:30:03.795 the shooting community. 01:30:03.795 --> 01:30:05.325 I don't, I think that I think the big, dirty 01:30:05.325 --> 01:30:06.765 secret of the shooting community is that there 01:30:06.765 --> 01:30:08.295 is no shooting community, but that'll be for 01:30:08.295 --> 01:30:11.625 another day that there are gun owners who want 01:30:12.105 --> 01:30:13.425 the mass criminalization. 01:30:13.545 --> 01:30:16.515 And there are gun owners who voted for 01:30:16.515 --> 01:30:18.585 the, for the regime currently in charge 01:30:18.585 --> 01:30:21.465 because they wanted the suppression of certain 01:30:21.465 --> 01:30:22.515 types of firearm owners. 01:30:22.875 --> 01:30:24.765 And of course there's other, I mean there, 01:30:25.455 --> 01:30:27.195 well, I'll let you play with that for awhile. 01:30:28.455 --> 01:30:30.285 Well, that's very interesting about the 01:30:30.285 --> 01:30:33.105 idea of no community, no firearms community 01:30:33.795 --> 01:30:36.285 would, would that same hold true for let's 01:30:36.285 --> 01:30:38.985 say, I dunno, scuba diving or snowboarding. 01:30:39.225 --> 01:30:39.765 Interesting. 01:30:40.005 --> 01:30:42.855 I, and the reason, the reason I use those two 01:30:42.855 --> 01:30:45.345 as specific examples, as opposed to let's 01:30:45.345 --> 01:30:46.815 say baseball or. 01:30:47.625 --> 01:30:51.495 Hockey, um, because firearms tends 01:30:51.495 --> 01:30:54.315 to be a fairly individualistic activity. 01:30:54.855 --> 01:30:58.485 And the shooting of firearms is you 01:30:59.445 --> 01:31:01.335 pulling the trigger or pressing the trigger 01:31:01.785 --> 01:31:02.894 on, on a firearm. 01:31:02.894 --> 01:31:06.014 It says, you, your gun and your fire as a 01:31:06.134 --> 01:31:08.144 half cock would say he gets into his bubble. 01:31:08.174 --> 01:31:08.445 Right? 01:31:09.134 --> 01:31:14.115 And I think that in general, it will 01:31:14.115 --> 01:31:15.884 attract those types of people who are 01:31:15.884 --> 01:31:18.915 more individual minded and not necessarily 01:31:18.915 --> 01:31:20.835 community minded, those who wish to hunt. 01:31:20.865 --> 01:31:22.335 Well, you know, you'll go out in a hunting 01:31:22.335 --> 01:31:24.615 party or hunting group to increase your successes 01:31:24.615 --> 01:31:25.394 and your odds, right. 01:31:25.394 --> 01:31:27.974 But, uh, you're also a type of person who 01:31:27.974 --> 01:31:32.924 would be able to, um, S self be self-sufficient 01:31:32.955 --> 01:31:34.575 and sustain yourself. 01:31:34.605 --> 01:31:36.615 There's those in the firearms community who 01:31:36.615 --> 01:31:39.315 are into first aid and being a prepper and 01:31:39.795 --> 01:31:41.955 all of these things that are very kind 01:31:41.955 --> 01:31:43.695 of individualistic in nature. 01:31:44.054 --> 01:31:47.474 And I remember as teaching I'm one of few 01:31:47.474 --> 01:31:51.554 master instructors in British Columbia and of 01:31:51.554 --> 01:31:52.634 the master instructors. 01:31:52.634 --> 01:31:54.554 I'm the only one that I'm aware of that 01:31:54.554 --> 01:31:58.184 pushes very hard to make new instructors. 01:31:59.384 --> 01:32:01.335 Quite often, I've caught in flack 01:32:01.365 --> 01:32:03.045 from other firearms instructors in the 01:32:03.045 --> 01:32:05.474 province saying, Travis, what are you doing? 01:32:05.474 --> 01:32:07.005 We've got a closed market. 01:32:07.035 --> 01:32:08.835 Look at all the money that we can make if 01:32:08.835 --> 01:32:11.115 they all come to me for whatever reason. 01:32:11.115 --> 01:32:13.605 And I've always looked at that as short sighted. 01:32:14.985 --> 01:32:18.435 If you offer a quality product, if you provide 01:32:18.435 --> 01:32:21.885 a quality service, you're going to have the 01:32:21.885 --> 01:32:24.345 clients, the students and the customers. 01:32:24.885 --> 01:32:27.495 And if you don't well, that's what competition's 01:32:27.495 --> 01:32:30.225 good for is good for pushing things forward, 01:32:30.235 --> 01:32:32.565 making them better and getting rid of the ones 01:32:32.565 --> 01:32:36.465 who aren't doing a great job as firearms owners. 01:32:37.605 --> 01:32:41.775 We want to be able to own firearms and be accepted 01:32:41.775 --> 01:32:44.415 as a firearms owner, as a hunter, as w w whatever 01:32:44.415 --> 01:32:46.665 it might be, but you're not going to do that. 01:32:46.755 --> 01:32:49.035 If you don't have others that are willing to 01:32:49.035 --> 01:32:52.815 voice, like you say, um, because we all 01:32:52.815 --> 01:32:54.525 know that out of a hundred, maybe one or 01:32:54.525 --> 01:32:56.505 two will be out there really, really doing it. 01:32:56.505 --> 01:32:56.775 Right. 01:32:57.615 --> 01:33:01.635 So I British Columbia had a moratorium on 01:33:01.635 --> 01:33:02.835 making new instructors. 01:33:03.795 --> 01:33:04.575 They said, that's it. 01:33:04.605 --> 01:33:06.195 We're not making any new instructors. 01:33:06.465 --> 01:33:08.775 And so I actually launched, I think 01:33:08.775 --> 01:33:11.415 it's called a judicial review is the process 01:33:11.415 --> 01:33:12.045 I went through. 01:33:12.195 --> 01:33:15.885 Um, it might've been something else anyways, 01:33:15.945 --> 01:33:17.805 uh, went down the process a little bit, 01:33:17.805 --> 01:33:19.245 and then a lawyer finally turned around and says, 01:33:19.245 --> 01:33:24.615 you know, it's really odd in this sector. 01:33:24.705 --> 01:33:27.255 There is no legislative framework to compel 01:33:27.255 --> 01:33:29.115 the firearms officer to actually do their 01:33:29.115 --> 01:33:31.305 job in that respect. 01:33:31.875 --> 01:33:37.845 Um, this is untenable, so backed up and took 01:33:37.845 --> 01:33:40.485 a different approach on that and was able 01:33:40.485 --> 01:33:41.295 to successfully. 01:33:42.255 --> 01:33:47.325 Um, compel the firearms program to start 01:33:47.325 --> 01:33:48.585 making new instructors. 01:33:49.155 --> 01:33:51.705 So we had a big batch of new instructors come on 01:33:51.705 --> 01:33:53.385 through the classroom. 01:33:53.445 --> 01:33:57.315 And I just did a poll out of all these people who 01:33:57.315 --> 01:33:59.145 are firearms owners who wanted to be instructors. 01:33:59.175 --> 01:34:00.285 And I said, Hey, what do you guys do 01:34:00.285 --> 01:34:01.005 for your hobbies? 01:34:01.485 --> 01:34:03.375 I, one guy who was big into scuba diving, 01:34:03.375 --> 01:34:05.055 another person who was into skydiving, 01:34:05.065 --> 01:34:07.035 another person who was great into IPSec, sick 01:34:07.035 --> 01:34:09.735 and out of the entire class, only one person 01:34:09.735 --> 01:34:10.515 put their hand up. 01:34:10.635 --> 01:34:12.945 And they said, I like hockey. 01:34:13.545 --> 01:34:14.595 I play hockey. 01:34:14.925 --> 01:34:16.665 And that person was a friend of mine 01:34:16.665 --> 01:34:19.365 who actually owns a, um, uh, a firearms 01:34:19.365 --> 01:34:20.325 business already. 01:34:20.985 --> 01:34:25.215 I owned the range Langley here in Langley, but 01:34:25.245 --> 01:34:29.205 by and large, those who are, I found attracted 01:34:29.205 --> 01:34:32.595 to firearms from more than just a, I need it 01:34:32.595 --> 01:34:36.255 for hunting, or I need it for, uh, employment. 01:34:36.945 --> 01:34:40.425 If they're attracted to the idea of firearms, 01:34:40.425 --> 01:34:43.215 ownership for sport or for the mechanical 01:34:43.215 --> 01:34:45.015 workings of them, what we're collecting, 01:34:45.675 --> 01:34:47.205 they're going to be individualistic. 01:34:47.205 --> 01:34:48.855 So you might be onto something there. 01:34:48.855 --> 01:34:52.095 When you say your perception is, is that 01:34:52.095 --> 01:34:53.145 there isn't a community. 01:34:53.175 --> 01:34:55.035 Cause I could argue the, I could argue the 01:34:55.035 --> 01:34:56.895 opposite side to that, but it all depends 01:34:56.895 --> 01:34:59.265 on how we wanted to find what community is 01:35:01.035 --> 01:35:01.305 interest. 01:35:02.130 --> 01:35:03.090 Yeah, we liked to. 01:35:03.210 --> 01:35:03.540 Yeah. 01:35:03.900 --> 01:35:07.110 And also, I don't want to feed our opponents 01:35:07.110 --> 01:35:08.370 too much emo here, but 01:35:09.240 --> 01:35:11.790 yeah, honestly, again, that just comes down 01:35:11.790 --> 01:35:13.950 to the point of if we're feeding them ammo 01:35:14.010 --> 01:35:15.630 and it falls short, then we've got to 01:35:15.750 --> 01:35:16.830 adjust our approach. 01:35:17.010 --> 01:35:19.110 We should be able to talk openly and honestly, 01:35:19.110 --> 01:35:21.630 about anything that we do and you should be able 01:35:21.630 --> 01:35:22.679 to hold a candle to that 01:35:23.820 --> 01:35:24.090 yeah. 01:35:24.900 --> 01:35:25.320 To share. 01:35:25.950 --> 01:35:27.059 Um, yeah, absolutely. 01:35:28.030 --> 01:35:29.130 I agree with that. 01:35:29.130 --> 01:35:29.429 I'm 01:35:33.120 --> 01:35:37.710 I'd like to, uh, I'd like to talk either today 01:35:37.710 --> 01:35:39.780 or another day, but I'd like, I really love to 01:35:39.929 --> 01:35:43.860 talk to you about how you produce your podcast 01:35:43.860 --> 01:35:45.960 and what goes into it and, and everything like 01:35:46.380 --> 01:35:48.389 how you, you want to do that now or do you want 01:35:48.389 --> 01:35:49.410 to do that another time? 01:35:49.860 --> 01:35:51.630 Hey, we're here, we're talking and 01:35:51.780 --> 01:35:52.349 you know what? 01:35:52.410 --> 01:35:55.830 I think this sort of information is valuable 01:35:55.860 --> 01:35:58.290 because other people can take a look at this. 01:35:58.290 --> 01:36:00.030 Cause I also have questions about you 01:36:00.030 --> 01:36:02.400 as a journalist of how you approach 01:36:02.400 --> 01:36:03.360 different situations. 01:36:03.360 --> 01:36:04.950 This is valuable because the listener might 01:36:04.950 --> 01:36:06.269 say, you know what? 01:36:06.360 --> 01:36:07.260 I could do a bot. 01:36:07.349 --> 01:36:08.429 I could do a podcast. 01:36:08.550 --> 01:36:09.570 I can write a blog. 01:36:10.110 --> 01:36:11.580 It's really not that difficult. 01:36:11.670 --> 01:36:13.710 And nothing in life really is difficult. 01:36:13.710 --> 01:36:15.090 Is all about putting one foot in front of the 01:36:15.090 --> 01:36:16.349 other and just doing it. 01:36:16.349 --> 01:36:16.679 Right. 01:36:17.309 --> 01:36:19.860 Um, I think fear is the biggest thing that 01:36:19.860 --> 01:36:21.809 tends to hold people back, whether that's 01:36:21.809 --> 01:36:25.050 fear of failure or fear of rejection or, or, or 01:36:25.050 --> 01:36:26.160 whatever it might be. 01:36:26.969 --> 01:36:29.910 And the second that you frame that. 01:36:30.825 --> 01:36:31.845 Sort of network. 01:36:31.875 --> 01:36:35.055 He, you take a look at it for what it really is. 01:36:35.055 --> 01:36:37.815 All fear in my opinion, is, is, um, 01:36:38.355 --> 01:36:40.275 the anticipation of what might happen 01:36:40.394 --> 01:36:41.265 or what might come. 01:36:41.655 --> 01:36:42.945 And if you take a look at that and you 01:36:42.945 --> 01:36:45.825 just anticipate it differently, what if 01:36:46.275 --> 01:36:47.175 you're successful? 01:36:47.445 --> 01:36:49.455 What if you do well, right? 01:36:50.025 --> 01:36:53.055 Or if you can approach that fear process, 01:36:53.055 --> 01:36:54.465 let's say you're jumping out of a plane and 01:36:54.465 --> 01:36:55.305 you're parachuting. 01:36:55.335 --> 01:36:56.115 Oh, I'm so scared. 01:36:56.115 --> 01:36:56.775 I can't do it. 01:36:56.805 --> 01:36:58.215 Well, are you scared? 01:36:58.215 --> 01:36:59.055 Are you excited? 01:36:59.385 --> 01:36:59.684 Right. 01:36:59.974 --> 01:37:02.565 So some of these little mental mind tricks, I 01:37:02.565 --> 01:37:05.474 think can help people in, in overcoming 01:37:05.505 --> 01:37:07.755 the trepidation of putting their name 01:37:07.755 --> 01:37:10.425 behind an article that they write or getting 01:37:10.425 --> 01:37:11.505 their voice out there. 01:37:12.015 --> 01:37:15.675 So for me, from the podcast perspective, I 01:37:15.675 --> 01:37:17.745 looked at it like, who am I to have a podcast? 01:37:18.644 --> 01:37:19.005 Right? 01:37:19.425 --> 01:37:22.005 I'm just some guy who has a business and 01:37:22.005 --> 01:37:23.025 the lower mainland. 01:37:23.085 --> 01:37:24.795 And he's 01:37:28.065 --> 01:37:29.894 got some interesting things have happened 01:37:29.894 --> 01:37:31.515 in my background, but you know, interesting 01:37:31.515 --> 01:37:33.315 things happen to everybody who am I 01:37:33.315 --> 01:37:34.575 really to have a podcast. 01:37:35.415 --> 01:37:38.775 And it was actually my friend who, um, who 01:37:38.775 --> 01:37:40.695 owns the range, who came up one day and he 01:37:40.695 --> 01:37:42.735 said, Travis, you got to start a podcast. 01:37:42.885 --> 01:37:45.585 You got to start a, um, immediate company. 01:37:45.644 --> 01:37:46.515 And he got to the end. 01:37:46.515 --> 01:37:48.195 He had all these different reasons why? 01:37:49.065 --> 01:37:51.015 And I did what I typically do. 01:37:52.095 --> 01:37:52.545 Okay. 01:37:53.595 --> 01:37:54.224 Why not? 01:37:54.855 --> 01:37:55.785 Let me give it a shot. 01:37:56.115 --> 01:37:58.965 If I suck at it, I can always do something else. 01:37:58.965 --> 01:37:59.235 Right. 01:38:00.555 --> 01:38:02.925 Who was just on my, on my other computer here. 01:38:03.065 --> 01:38:05.025 I should have done this research beforehand. 01:38:05.025 --> 01:38:07.125 Who was your first, um, who, who was episode one? 01:38:07.875 --> 01:38:10.035 Uh, that would have been Paul Ballard 01:38:10.095 --> 01:38:10.995 and Nick Bolton. 01:38:11.055 --> 01:38:12.585 So Paul Ballard and Nick Bolton, they're 01:38:12.585 --> 01:38:14.415 both very good friends of mine known him for a 01:38:14.415 --> 01:38:16.725 long time, both retired Vancouver police. 01:38:17.535 --> 01:38:20.715 And I think it was two hillbillies from 01:38:20.715 --> 01:38:23.295 Chilliwack is what I named the podcast. 01:38:23.655 --> 01:38:25.905 No idea where to start with this kind of stuff. 01:38:25.935 --> 01:38:28.275 I was recording it on a single track, which 01:38:28.275 --> 01:38:30.885 meant every time that one person coughed, he 01:38:30.895 --> 01:38:31.965 couldn't edit that out. 01:38:32.055 --> 01:38:33.675 Uh, it was all on, on one track. 01:38:33.705 --> 01:38:35.565 Now I do most of my recording multitrack 01:38:36.315 --> 01:38:39.405 and whenever possible, so that you can make 01:38:39.405 --> 01:38:42.795 sure you can make those cuts and do it in a way 01:38:42.795 --> 01:38:46.155 that it's, um, uh, not cutting everybody else. 01:38:46.155 --> 01:38:49.125 So when I first started it, I was so concerned 01:38:49.125 --> 01:38:50.625 about sounding stupid. 01:38:51.135 --> 01:38:53.745 Now I realize I can sound stupid, but 01:38:53.895 --> 01:38:55.845 people can have short memories, right? 01:38:55.845 --> 01:38:58.605 So, uh, uh, within all the stupidity, there's 01:38:58.605 --> 01:39:01.155 sometimes going to be, uh, areas, right? 01:39:01.155 --> 01:39:02.115 Don't sound stupid. 01:39:02.955 --> 01:39:06.555 Uh, I would go in and edit the podcast. 01:39:06.645 --> 01:39:10.035 I have one individual, um, should I name them? 01:39:10.845 --> 01:39:13.335 Uh, I don't even know if I told him this, but 01:39:13.485 --> 01:39:15.825 when he talks and he's been on the podcast 01:39:15.825 --> 01:39:17.745 a few times, so that kind of narrows it down 01:39:18.105 --> 01:39:20.295 every single time he says something, he goes 01:39:21.315 --> 01:39:22.905 before he says something, you hear a little, 01:39:23.685 --> 01:39:26.055 little, little kind of T click and he can see 01:39:26.055 --> 01:39:27.105 that in the wave form. 01:39:27.105 --> 01:39:28.635 And so I'd go through and edit every. 01:39:30.030 --> 01:39:32.730 Out as I went on through or someone coughed and 01:39:32.730 --> 01:39:36.389 edited out now I tend to leave the majority 01:39:36.389 --> 01:39:37.290 of everything in. 01:39:37.620 --> 01:39:41.250 I find it reduces the editing process greatly. 01:39:41.250 --> 01:39:42.840 It adds a sense of realism. 01:39:43.230 --> 01:39:45.450 It's not a highly, highly polished product. 01:39:46.290 --> 01:39:50.429 And, uh, unless of course something happens. 01:39:50.429 --> 01:39:53.549 And afterwards, like I had one individual, he 01:39:53.549 --> 01:39:55.650 says, you know, that joke I told halfway through, 01:39:56.040 --> 01:39:58.139 if my wife heard that joke, she'd kill me. 01:39:58.170 --> 01:39:59.280 Can you take that joke out? 01:39:59.610 --> 01:39:59.880 Sure. 01:40:00.030 --> 01:40:00.660 Not a problem. 01:40:01.349 --> 01:40:02.969 So that's, that's about the extent of the 01:40:02.969 --> 01:40:03.900 editing, but I do now. 01:40:04.920 --> 01:40:05.030 Yeah. 01:40:05.030 --> 01:40:05.639 It's interesting. 01:40:05.639 --> 01:40:07.710 I, how long have you been doing the podcast? 01:40:09.630 --> 01:40:13.200 Uh, started in it's only about two years. 01:40:13.530 --> 01:40:15.990 Uh, so yeah, two years ago I started it. 01:40:16.349 --> 01:40:17.610 So I went on and 01:40:17.610 --> 01:40:21.090 I slowly pre pre COVID, like, um, so just, just 01:40:21.090 --> 01:40:22.240 before COVID you started. 01:40:22.530 --> 01:40:22.860 Okay. 01:40:23.639 --> 01:40:25.559 Because I wonder I started before COVID 01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:30.059 I wonder if also the, like the, the, um, 01:40:30.090 --> 01:40:32.820 the fashion or the accessibility has shifted 01:40:33.090 --> 01:40:35.130 between a polished product now with COVID 01:40:35.130 --> 01:40:37.440 everybody's used to zoom calls and, and seeing 01:40:37.440 --> 01:40:41.639 record like, uh, live to tape that we put up with 01:40:41.670 --> 01:40:44.190 coughs and sneezes and what used to be con you 01:40:44.190 --> 01:40:47.009 know, basically raw we're now more comfortable and 01:40:47.009 --> 01:40:49.799 more accepting of the audio is not quite right. 01:40:49.799 --> 01:40:51.420 The sound of image of whatever, the 01:40:51.420 --> 01:40:53.009 bit rate we're like. 01:40:53.009 --> 01:40:53.400 Okay. 01:40:53.679 --> 01:40:56.130 It's kind of fashionable to do live and imperfect. 01:40:58.214 --> 01:40:59.714 I think live and imperfect. 01:40:59.745 --> 01:41:01.544 It's been Fastenal for a lot longer. 01:41:01.544 --> 01:41:03.495 And I think people are just starting to kind 01:41:03.495 --> 01:41:05.565 of get on the idea that, hold on a second, 01:41:05.565 --> 01:41:07.394 we start putting out these polished products 01:41:07.695 --> 01:41:10.094 because everything out there was just polished 01:41:10.094 --> 01:41:14.115 productions from large organizations and you 01:41:14.115 --> 01:41:17.745 start to gloss over and people feel that there's 01:41:17.745 --> 01:41:21.105 a sense of reality when they see that it's not 01:41:21.525 --> 01:41:23.535 from the same sort of polished background. 01:41:24.105 --> 01:41:27.884 I think that, um, general conversation tends to 01:41:27.884 --> 01:41:30.375 be lacking in some, a lot of people's lives 01:41:30.764 --> 01:41:33.195 and podcasts appeal to the idea of being able 01:41:33.195 --> 01:41:35.474 to sit in and listen to a conversation that's 01:41:35.474 --> 01:41:38.054 going on, that they might not have thought 01:41:38.054 --> 01:41:39.884 about having or with people that they didn't 01:41:39.884 --> 01:41:41.835 have the ability to have the conversation with. 01:41:42.375 --> 01:41:47.714 Um, I think podcasts are, uh, the, the metrics that 01:41:47.714 --> 01:41:49.964 show that they're still gaining in popularity, 01:41:49.964 --> 01:41:53.775 but also the, uh, they're getting diluted because 01:41:53.775 --> 01:41:55.245 more and more people are getting into them. 01:41:55.695 --> 01:41:58.304 For me, it's a challenge. 01:41:58.844 --> 01:42:00.375 Uh, I've got ADHD. 01:42:00.565 --> 01:42:03.945 I've, uh, for me to stay on topic and string 01:42:03.945 --> 01:42:06.335 together information in a way and, and, 01:42:06.375 --> 01:42:07.964 and talk through these sort of things like 01:42:07.964 --> 01:42:09.525 my head's going a mile a minute, and I want 01:42:09.525 --> 01:42:12.254 to talk about so many different things, um, 01:42:12.644 --> 01:42:15.434 that I, that I enjoy the challenge of doing this. 01:42:15.495 --> 01:42:20.144 I enjoy spreading the positivity and it's, 01:42:20.144 --> 01:42:25.770 um, It's a way to be able to reframe some of 01:42:25.770 --> 01:42:28.110 the negative things and aspects that happened 01:42:28.110 --> 01:42:30.720 throughout just building your business and life 01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:33.690 in general, because I think most people 01:42:33.690 --> 01:42:36.450 are negatively biased, myself included, and 01:42:36.450 --> 01:42:38.220 you'll tend to go towards the negative and 01:42:38.220 --> 01:42:39.180 look at the negative. 01:42:39.810 --> 01:42:42.270 And there is negativity in the 01:42:42.270 --> 01:42:43.200 firearms community. 01:42:43.800 --> 01:42:45.420 If we call it a community, there 01:42:45.420 --> 01:42:47.400 is naked Vivity and firearms businesses. 01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:50.130 There are some really, really slimy stuff that 01:42:50.130 --> 01:42:52.440 kind of goes on, but in the same breath, 01:42:52.470 --> 01:42:54.720 there's some great people out there doing some 01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:55.710 really great things. 01:42:55.710 --> 01:42:57.750 And it's all about where we decide. 01:42:57.750 --> 01:42:59.430 We want to spend that attention. 01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:02.280 So for me, the podcast is reaching out to 01:43:02.280 --> 01:43:03.720 others who have shown. 01:43:03.720 --> 01:43:06.090 They want to share that attention in 01:43:06.090 --> 01:43:07.860 the same direction. 01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:12.950 Are you achieving, are you achieving that same 01:43:12.950 --> 01:43:14.690 question you asked me a little while ago. 01:43:14.930 --> 01:43:15.740 Are you achieving your goals? 01:43:16.460 --> 01:43:18.620 Uh, well the goal always wants to 01:43:18.620 --> 01:43:19.580 spread positivity. 01:43:19.580 --> 01:43:21.920 So from the, from the standpoint of what 01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:24.620 I'm being able to put out, absolutely. 01:43:24.830 --> 01:43:27.140 Is there any noticeable change within the 01:43:27.140 --> 01:43:29.660 community that, that, uh, that I'd see? 01:43:30.410 --> 01:43:35.030 Well, I don't want to, I don't want to say that 01:43:35.030 --> 01:43:38.210 I'm, uh, I'd like to be a leader for change 01:43:38.210 --> 01:43:40.190 in the community, but I'd like to be able to 01:43:40.190 --> 01:43:45.230 offer a different way for people to consume, uh, or 01:43:45.230 --> 01:43:46.460 maybe just think about. 01:43:47.550 --> 01:43:50.760 Issues that are happening within, within our 01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:52.740 industry and maybe without even talking 01:43:52.740 --> 01:43:53.790 about the negative stuff. 01:43:54.030 --> 01:43:56.520 So I would feel that yes, I'm achieving it. 01:43:56.910 --> 01:44:00.330 Uh, every week that goes by we're, uh, gaining 01:44:00.330 --> 01:44:02.790 more subscribers and more listeners, you 01:44:02.790 --> 01:44:04.800 know, just like with what you're doing. 01:44:05.220 --> 01:44:09.930 Uh, it's the people, if they like what they're 01:44:09.930 --> 01:44:12.360 listening to, they're going to share it for me. 01:44:12.630 --> 01:44:15.720 I, the biggest compliment is if somebody else 01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:17.160 is going to share it, if they want to share 01:44:17.160 --> 01:44:20.010 it on Instagram or on Facebook or with their 01:44:20.010 --> 01:44:21.900 friends to an email and they just say, look it, 01:44:21.900 --> 01:44:23.550 I listened to this say, you should listen to 01:44:23.730 --> 01:44:24.890 this part right here. 01:44:24.900 --> 01:44:25.680 Cause I listened to it. 01:44:26.010 --> 01:44:30.810 The whole thing that, um, that's the 01:44:30.810 --> 01:44:31.890 biggest compliment. 01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:35.010 And yeah, I do feel that we are affecting 01:44:35.010 --> 01:44:37.980 some small change in how things are approached 01:44:38.550 --> 01:44:41.790 and in the process of me finding my own voice, 01:44:42.510 --> 01:44:45.420 because I'm still finding my voice on this podcast. 01:44:46.110 --> 01:44:49.650 I am slowly bringing to light some issues that 01:44:49.680 --> 01:44:52.200 have happened within the community that are in 01:44:52.200 --> 01:44:54.720 the firearms world, at the firearms industry or 01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:55.860 that continue to happen. 01:44:56.580 --> 01:44:59.250 And I think the more people that are aware 01:44:59.250 --> 01:45:03.840 and start seeing it will stop accepting that 01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:06.990 and they will in turn, start looking for ways 01:45:06.990 --> 01:45:09.390 that we can support each other and work together. 01:45:09.390 --> 01:45:13.020 So I do see that, um, to some degree 01:45:14.130 --> 01:45:19.185 and I can say personally, That you have affected 01:45:19.185 --> 01:45:21.375 me and influenced me and shaped me. 01:45:21.795 --> 01:45:24.615 And now that's going to radiate to the people 01:45:24.615 --> 01:45:25.635 I communicate with. 01:45:26.535 --> 01:45:28.275 So if you're wondering about, are you 01:45:28.275 --> 01:45:28.995 having any influence? 01:45:28.995 --> 01:45:31.255 Well, I'm going to hear to say yes, at least 01:45:31.275 --> 01:45:32.595 a plus one over here. 01:45:33.975 --> 01:45:36.765 Um, well, I, I really do appreciate that. 01:45:37.305 --> 01:45:40.065 You know, from a journalistic perspective, 01:45:40.305 --> 01:45:41.835 I don't have a journalist background. 01:45:42.705 --> 01:45:45.705 I have, I've never wanted the podcast to 01:45:45.705 --> 01:45:48.495 be, uh, me interviewing somebody else. 01:45:48.825 --> 01:45:51.345 I've, uh, I remember I did with the Vancouver 01:45:51.345 --> 01:45:53.235 police a number of years ago, they invited 01:45:53.235 --> 01:45:55.515 me in to do the, uh, the Reid technique. 01:45:55.515 --> 01:45:57.735 I did their, uh, beginner, intermediate 01:45:57.735 --> 01:45:59.895 and advanced interview and interrogation 01:45:59.895 --> 01:46:01.485 courses with them, which is kind of cool. 01:46:01.965 --> 01:46:08.325 Um, so I've my formal training in interviewing 01:46:08.505 --> 01:46:10.635 and interrogating would just be through 01:46:11.055 --> 01:46:12.795 a police interview and interrogation. 01:46:12.825 --> 01:46:15.405 So through their systems, as well as through a 01:46:15.405 --> 01:46:18.585 couple of others, that process is not one 01:46:18.585 --> 01:46:21.885 that I've ever really wanted to apply to 01:46:21.885 --> 01:46:23.145 this, to the podcast. 01:46:23.145 --> 01:46:24.645 And I've always wanted, it's more of a, just 01:46:24.645 --> 01:46:27.495 a back and forth exchange of ideas. 01:46:27.885 --> 01:46:29.175 It's difficult to get there. 01:46:29.535 --> 01:46:33.015 Uh, some people are more, um, comfortable in 01:46:33.015 --> 01:46:34.575 front of the camera, in front of the microphone 01:46:34.575 --> 01:46:36.495 and able to, to do that. 01:46:37.470 --> 01:46:39.960 And I don't blame them because even myself in 01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:41.340 front of the mic, in front of the camera, 01:46:41.370 --> 01:46:42.450 you'll notice, I'll stop. 01:46:42.450 --> 01:46:44.910 And I'll think like, how will this be perceived 01:46:44.910 --> 01:46:46.350 if I say it, even when we talked about 01:46:46.350 --> 01:46:48.120 range Nazis earlier, I'm like, do I want 01:46:48.120 --> 01:46:49.350 to use the Nazi word? 01:46:49.350 --> 01:46:49.620 Right. 01:46:50.130 --> 01:46:54.480 Um, but for you, you've clearly done a lot of 01:46:54.480 --> 01:46:57.180 research in just speaking with you before and 01:46:57.180 --> 01:46:58.350 how you approach this. 01:46:58.350 --> 01:46:59.370 What is your process? 01:46:59.520 --> 01:47:01.350 If you're going to write an article or 01:47:01.350 --> 01:47:03.480 you're going to speak with somebody, what is 01:47:03.480 --> 01:47:07.170 your process for, uh, preparing for that? 01:47:07.710 --> 01:47:11.010 And what do you typically hope the outcome will be? 01:47:13.140 --> 01:47:16.620 So for a guy who hasn't studied journalism and 01:47:16.620 --> 01:47:18.960 here in journalistic interviewing techniques, 01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:21.330 let me tell you you're doing a really good job. 01:47:21.630 --> 01:47:23.420 No, seriously, seriously. 01:47:23.430 --> 01:47:25.470 That's that's again, a very, very w what I 01:47:25.470 --> 01:47:27.630 mean by that is, it's a, it's a simple question. 01:47:27.660 --> 01:47:29.190 And it's also a deep question. 01:47:29.280 --> 01:47:30.840 It's very, it's going to be difficult to answer. 01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:32.940 It's going to lead to, uh, uh, it 01:47:32.940 --> 01:47:35.430 opens a potentially rich response. 01:47:36.030 --> 01:47:38.010 And the response is that it depends. 01:47:38.310 --> 01:47:39.870 Sometimes I'm in bed. 01:47:40.470 --> 01:47:42.510 I remember, gosh, how many times I'm in bed 01:47:42.690 --> 01:47:43.350 looking through my. 01:47:44.130 --> 01:47:46.980 Twitter, which I don't do anymore, by the way. 01:47:47.009 --> 01:47:50.219 But, uh, I'm thinking I grumbled this 01:47:50.219 --> 01:47:53.460 something angers me and I write a blog 01:47:53.460 --> 01:47:54.690 post and out of anger. 01:47:54.690 --> 01:47:56.940 And in 30 minutes I write my thoughts are grumble, 01:47:56.940 --> 01:47:59.250 grumble, grumble, Trudeau verus are the liberals 01:47:59.250 --> 01:48:00.690 that are grumbled, grumble, grumble, 01:48:00.990 --> 01:48:01.830 and knock it out. 01:48:02.219 --> 01:48:03.960 And so anger is the motivator. 01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:06.210 And I don't, I just want to just kind of, um, 01:48:06.570 --> 01:48:08.820 I guess more of a gut thing other times, and 01:48:08.820 --> 01:48:10.589 that's, that's done and dusted in a, in a short 01:48:10.589 --> 01:48:13.380 period, let's call it an hour and other times 01:48:13.469 --> 01:48:16.650 it's, it can take months, uh, an article I wrote 01:48:16.950 --> 01:48:18.570 several years ago about, I think the headline 01:48:18.570 --> 01:48:21.389 was how statistics, Canada shapes, gun 01:48:21.389 --> 01:48:24.000 politics and perceptions. 01:48:24.599 --> 01:48:27.960 And that took months to research and I've 01:48:27.960 --> 01:48:30.780 data analysis and a Q and a was text with 01:48:30.780 --> 01:48:33.389 statistics, Canada and other experts, uh, across 01:48:33.389 --> 01:48:37.200 the country and hours and hours and hours 01:48:37.200 --> 01:48:38.969 and hours of research and fact checking. 01:48:39.240 --> 01:48:41.519 So, and what do I hope to achieve? 01:48:41.519 --> 01:48:43.920 Well, sometimes it's, um, I hope to achieve, 01:48:43.950 --> 01:48:46.110 I'm curious about this topic and it's a personal 01:48:46.110 --> 01:48:48.089 blog, so I get to write whatever the heck I want. 01:48:48.089 --> 01:48:49.620 And if you like it, read it. 01:48:49.620 --> 01:48:51.570 If you don't like it, do go, go listen to 01:48:51.570 --> 01:48:52.679 the Silvercore podcast. 01:48:53.730 --> 01:48:55.830 Um, but sometimes it's pure. 01:48:55.830 --> 01:48:58.320 It's, it's always motivated by curiosity 01:48:58.740 --> 01:49:00.240 is something I'm curious about something. 01:49:00.240 --> 01:49:03.269 I think my readers or the community would be 01:49:03.269 --> 01:49:05.700 curious about or want to know or a little 01:49:05.700 --> 01:49:07.230 bit, sometimes it's a little bit you, you 01:49:07.230 --> 01:49:08.400 guys should know about. 01:49:09.645 --> 01:49:10.905 And this has flown under the radar. 01:49:10.905 --> 01:49:11.925 I think this was important. 01:49:11.925 --> 01:49:12.945 I think you should know. 01:49:12.945 --> 01:49:16.755 I want to put it on your radar and yeah, so it's 01:49:16.755 --> 01:49:18.285 a mix of personal read. 01:49:18.495 --> 01:49:20.145 It's a mix of news. 01:49:20.505 --> 01:49:23.475 A lot of it is kind of newsy and a lot of 01:49:23.475 --> 01:49:26.325 it is I do apply the, the standards that I 01:49:26.445 --> 01:49:28.065 took to the best of my ability that I learned at 01:49:28.065 --> 01:49:32.805 Bloomberg about factual and links I offer my 01:49:32.805 --> 01:49:35.265 own analysis of, but I always provide links to 01:49:35.265 --> 01:49:37.245 my data, to the original document, whether it's 01:49:37.245 --> 01:49:39.975 a press release, whether it's a, a report. 01:49:40.245 --> 01:49:43.275 So I do try to respect the, the values of 01:49:43.275 --> 01:49:45.195 transparency and accountability, 01:49:45.885 --> 01:49:48.405 um, and a mix. 01:49:48.465 --> 01:49:52.035 And a lot of times it's, it's trying 01:49:52.035 --> 01:49:53.745 to transparency is a big motivator. 01:49:53.745 --> 01:49:56.895 Actually, the, I want, I believe a little bit like 01:49:56.955 --> 01:49:58.395 what you said earlier, you want it, you want 01:49:58.395 --> 01:50:00.765 it to bring the pal courses, the pal courses 01:50:00.765 --> 01:50:01.815 out of the basements. 01:50:02.145 --> 01:50:03.695 I want to do that too about genuine 01:50:03.695 --> 01:50:04.305 owning community. 01:50:04.305 --> 01:50:07.515 And I remember one kind of example of that when 01:50:07.515 --> 01:50:12.075 I started the blog in 2015, I wondered how many 01:50:12.225 --> 01:50:14.505 pal holders pal holders are there in Canada. 01:50:14.535 --> 01:50:15.375 What's the number. 01:50:15.765 --> 01:50:16.575 I couldn't find it. 01:50:16.935 --> 01:50:17.205 Right. 01:50:17.235 --> 01:50:18.105 And it took months. 01:50:18.105 --> 01:50:19.275 And when you know where to look, it's, 01:50:19.275 --> 01:50:21.015 it's, it's in the RCMP annual report. 01:50:21.015 --> 01:50:21.765 When you know where to look, it 01:50:21.765 --> 01:50:22.485 takes five seconds. 01:50:22.485 --> 01:50:22.665 Right? 01:50:22.935 --> 01:50:24.435 But no one was talking about it. 01:50:24.435 --> 01:50:25.365 No one was mentioning it. 01:50:25.365 --> 01:50:28.365 And I was the first to the best of my knowledge. 01:50:28.545 --> 01:50:31.395 I in, I believe it was 2015 released 01:50:31.395 --> 01:50:32.385 in 2016 that the. 01:50:33.224 --> 01:50:35.175 Exceeded 2 million for the first time. 01:50:35.684 --> 01:50:37.724 And I, I wrote an article, um, something 01:50:37.724 --> 01:50:40.665 about gun license over that, um, exceeds 2 01:50:40.665 --> 01:50:42.285 million for first time or reaches record or 01:50:42.285 --> 01:50:42.915 something like that. 01:50:43.724 --> 01:50:45.615 And so I want transparency. 01:50:45.615 --> 01:50:47.264 I want people to know about this. 01:50:47.264 --> 01:50:49.425 I want to bring gun ownership out of the 01:50:49.425 --> 01:50:51.434 woodwork, out of the basement, out of the, 01:50:51.885 --> 01:50:56.565 the, um, the dark, not the dark alleys, but I 01:50:56.565 --> 01:51:00.285 mean, I want to get it out of the door, but 01:51:00.285 --> 01:51:03.045 also the metaphorically speaking, I want it, I 01:51:03.045 --> 01:51:04.485 want to shine a light and, you know, be a 01:51:04.485 --> 01:51:07.065 proud gun owner and talk about it openly. 01:51:07.065 --> 01:51:08.085 And it's not a sin. 01:51:08.264 --> 01:51:09.915 It doesn't, it's not immoral. 01:51:09.915 --> 01:51:11.295 It's, it's a good thing. 01:51:11.295 --> 01:51:13.455 It's we, its values of responsibility 01:51:13.455 --> 01:51:16.724 and sportsmanship and nature conservation and 01:51:16.844 --> 01:51:20.025 camaraderie and all these incredible, beautiful 01:51:20.025 --> 01:51:23.535 values that we, that we are ambassadors for. 01:51:23.535 --> 01:51:24.105 I hope. 01:51:24.644 --> 01:51:27.795 And yeah, so it's a desire for transparency 01:51:27.795 --> 01:51:32.474 and pride and, and getting out of the, 01:51:32.535 --> 01:51:33.644 get out of the shadows. 01:51:33.675 --> 01:51:35.925 One of my other, I think most important articles 01:51:35.925 --> 01:51:39.105 was how quiet gun owners become former gun owners. 01:51:39.585 --> 01:51:42.554 And I, the quiet, the fact that we, we, a 01:51:42.554 --> 01:51:43.905 lot of people like what you were saying 01:51:43.905 --> 01:51:46.275 earlier, your we want to be a closed society. 01:51:46.275 --> 01:51:48.255 Hush, hush don't make any waves. 01:51:48.255 --> 01:51:50.445 Don't tell anybody what we're up to stay out of. 01:51:50.445 --> 01:51:53.224 The media, I think is the best. 01:51:53.235 --> 01:51:55.005 If you, if that's your strategy, then your 01:51:55.184 --> 01:51:57.525 extension extinction is on the way. 01:51:59.445 --> 01:52:01.185 Keeping quiet in today's world. 01:52:01.275 --> 01:52:03.405 The best way to go extinct is to keep quiet. 01:52:04.545 --> 01:52:06.435 And I think you're on the right track with 01:52:06.435 --> 01:52:08.595 the, with the gun blog and with these 01:52:08.685 --> 01:52:10.715 podcasts that you're doing in the video cast. 01:52:10.715 --> 01:52:16.815 And, uh, because in the same breath, if you 01:52:16.815 --> 01:52:20.775 want to get that message out, anybody who would 01:52:20.775 --> 01:52:25.875 be maybe contrary or want to, um, attack you, 01:52:25.995 --> 01:52:28.545 so to say would have a much more difficult 01:52:28.545 --> 01:52:31.425 time knowing that you have a platform with 01:52:31.755 --> 01:52:34.455 X amount of people who follow you and watch 01:52:34.455 --> 01:52:35.715 you on a regular basis. 01:52:36.075 --> 01:52:38.835 So I, I think, um, if they had to also anyway, 01:52:40.755 --> 01:52:42.405 um, like if you look at the study and 01:52:42.405 --> 01:52:44.175 it feeds twist some Twitter feeds, I mean, 01:52:44.175 --> 01:52:44.745 yeah, who's the day. 01:52:44.745 --> 01:52:45.115 It depends. 01:52:46.115 --> 01:52:48.315 The aunties used me as the lightning rod 01:52:48.375 --> 01:52:49.365 as one of the targets. 01:52:49.395 --> 01:52:50.475 Oh, look what the gun law. 01:52:51.465 --> 01:52:53.085 But you're talking about the people, 01:52:53.505 --> 01:52:56.325 the, the, the, the CFOs or the police or 01:52:56.325 --> 01:52:58.125 the regulators you're talking about that. 01:52:58.125 --> 01:52:58.305 Yeah. 01:52:58.335 --> 01:52:58.665 Okay. 01:52:58.905 --> 01:52:59.085 Yeah. 01:52:59.085 --> 01:53:03.405 So far as far as I know, um, I don't, I'm not 01:53:03.405 --> 01:53:04.365 aware of any attacks. 01:53:04.365 --> 01:53:05.875 The worst attacks have come from, from 01:53:06.105 --> 01:53:07.515 the gun owning the shooting community. 01:53:07.515 --> 01:53:09.495 Those are the nastiest violence, personal 01:53:09.495 --> 01:53:11.025 attacks have come from the shooting community, 01:53:11.445 --> 01:53:12.435 the, the aunties 01:53:12.555 --> 01:53:13.815 they hurt the most, you know, they, 01:53:14.025 --> 01:53:15.555 well, yeah, they're, they're also, they also 01:53:15.705 --> 01:53:17.445 surprised me the most. 01:53:17.505 --> 01:53:20.685 And, um, but I'm not aware of anyone in 01:53:20.685 --> 01:53:23.805 the regulatory or legal or, uh, policing 01:53:23.805 --> 01:53:25.785 community that is seeking to undermine. 01:53:27.300 --> 01:53:28.860 I am aware of people in the shooting community, 01:53:28.860 --> 01:53:29.880 what I would call the shooting community, 01:53:29.880 --> 01:53:31.050 who are working to undermine me. 01:53:32.670 --> 01:53:34.800 And I've seen that and I see a time and again, 01:53:34.800 --> 01:53:37.410 and it's so unfortunate and it, it just comes 01:53:37.410 --> 01:53:40.410 down to the same in a building down to make 01:53:40.410 --> 01:53:41.220 their building bigger. 01:53:41.300 --> 01:53:43.440 I don't know if it's just a deep seated inadequacy 01:53:43.440 --> 01:53:45.630 or jealousy that somebody would have, because 01:53:45.630 --> 01:53:48.000 from my perspective, if somebody wants to do 01:53:48.420 --> 01:53:51.000 the exact same thing I'm doing, I'll help them. 01:53:51.330 --> 01:53:51.600 Yeah. 01:53:52.110 --> 01:53:56.430 And I have, and I have countless times train 01:53:56.430 --> 01:53:58.590 people up as instructors, train people up, show 01:53:58.590 --> 01:54:00.420 them how I conduct my business, show 01:54:00.420 --> 01:54:02.910 them how we're even on the podcast here. 01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:04.830 There's numerous people that I've had come in. 01:54:04.920 --> 01:54:06.360 Some people have taken me up on it. 01:54:06.480 --> 01:54:08.520 If you want to start your own podcast, I've got all 01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:10.530 the equipment, I've got a studio, I've got a room. 01:54:11.280 --> 01:54:11.610 Right. 01:54:12.120 --> 01:54:14.280 Of course that's not an open offer to everybody. 01:54:14.280 --> 01:54:16.410 Those are people that who have already vetted in 01:54:16.410 --> 01:54:19.980 our, um, uh, primarily past guests have 01:54:19.980 --> 01:54:21.090 been all my podcasts. 01:54:21.090 --> 01:54:24.930 And I find that you tend to, for me, uh, a closer 01:54:24.930 --> 01:54:26.970 relationship, because you really get to intimately 01:54:26.970 --> 01:54:29.130 know somebody over, over this period of time. 01:54:29.790 --> 01:54:32.850 But, um, yeah, I think there's always 01:54:32.850 --> 01:54:33.510 going to be haters. 01:54:34.020 --> 01:54:34.110 Right. 01:54:34.440 --> 01:54:37.890 And I guess what, I've come to you. 01:54:37.890 --> 01:54:39.720 So you've been in the business, I'm going to, 01:54:39.720 --> 01:54:41.610 you know, two or three decades at this stage. 01:54:41.610 --> 01:54:42.360 I mean, I'm a newbie. 01:54:42.360 --> 01:54:44.370 I've only been around since 2015 doing this. 01:54:45.210 --> 01:54:48.150 And what I've found though, I'm curious 01:54:48.150 --> 01:54:51.690 if, if, if like, I feel like I'm coming, I'm 01:54:51.690 --> 01:54:53.490 getting to where you are, which is that. 01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:56.370 Yeah, it's a big, it's a big, it's a big family. 01:54:56.700 --> 01:54:58.260 And just like, you can disagree 01:54:58.260 --> 01:54:59.010 with uncle Harry. 01:54:59.010 --> 01:55:01.170 You can disagree with this organization 01:55:01.170 --> 01:55:02.160 or that individual. 01:55:02.370 --> 01:55:04.560 It doesn't mean we're gonna agree on 01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:05.760 everything all the time. 01:55:06.390 --> 01:55:09.780 We can still be respectful and okay, you 01:55:09.780 --> 01:55:10.620 do your thing over there. 01:55:10.620 --> 01:55:11.760 I'm going to do my thing over here. 01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:13.500 I don't have to dump on you. 01:55:13.500 --> 01:55:14.640 You don't have to dump on me. 01:55:15.480 --> 01:55:18.080 That's um, yeah, I, I tried it. 01:55:18.090 --> 01:55:20.970 I, I probably have dumped on people in 01:55:20.970 --> 01:55:23.070 the community and I probably regret it, but 01:55:23.070 --> 01:55:26.460 I do my done my best not to and stay United. 01:55:26.910 --> 01:55:28.920 Um, it doesn't mean it doesn't mean 01:55:28.920 --> 01:55:29.800 we love you all. 01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:31.290 It doesn't mean we all have to love each other, 01:55:31.290 --> 01:55:33.540 but we can still be, we can at least avoid 01:55:33.540 --> 01:55:34.410 dumping on each other. 01:55:35.340 --> 01:55:37.860 You know, I remember a number of years 01:55:37.860 --> 01:55:40.470 ago, a, uh, this is going back a fair bit. 01:55:40.530 --> 01:55:43.380 So he, a fellows wants to be an instructor. 01:55:43.380 --> 01:55:44.280 There's a group of them. 01:55:44.280 --> 01:55:45.870 They wanted to come through and do a, uh, 01:55:46.470 --> 01:55:47.580 instructor level course. 01:55:47.580 --> 01:55:52.620 And I, um, was teaching a, uh, a course said, 01:55:52.620 --> 01:55:54.540 okay, we want to come in and you can shadow 01:55:54.540 --> 01:55:56.490 with it myself and another instructor. 01:55:57.390 --> 01:56:00.460 And, uh, this guy says, well, you know, I, I 01:56:00.510 --> 01:56:01.440 don't have a vehicle. 01:56:01.500 --> 01:56:02.670 Can you give me a ride in? 01:56:03.600 --> 01:56:04.500 Okay, no problem. 01:56:04.500 --> 01:56:05.070 Where are you at? 01:56:05.070 --> 01:56:07.800 And, okay, so he takes a bus, comes to a location, 01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:09.780 pick them up, driving, man, drive him back. 01:56:10.875 --> 01:56:13.275 Back and forth again, next day, provide them 01:56:13.275 --> 01:56:15.555 with lesson plans, trailing syllabuses 01:56:15.555 --> 01:56:17.025 stuff that wasn't being provided by 01:56:17.025 --> 01:56:18.015 the firearms program. 01:56:18.015 --> 01:56:20.325 Things of how I, how I would put together 01:56:20.325 --> 01:56:22.695 the, um, uh, the course, basically 01:56:22.695 --> 01:56:23.985 just a cookie cutter. 01:56:23.985 --> 01:56:25.425 If you want to get it going, here you go. 01:56:26.145 --> 01:56:26.715 Afterwards. 01:56:26.715 --> 01:56:29.625 This fellow says I don't really have any money 01:56:29.715 --> 01:56:32.445 because I never accepted payment at the get go. 01:56:32.445 --> 01:56:34.125 And I probably should have, uh, can I 01:56:34.125 --> 01:56:35.025 just work it off? 01:56:35.265 --> 01:56:36.435 Can I just keep working with you? 01:56:37.105 --> 01:56:37.875 I'm like, I don't know. 01:56:37.875 --> 01:56:40.995 I hummed it out a little bit and like, like, no, 01:56:41.055 --> 01:56:41.835 no, you should pay it. 01:56:41.835 --> 01:56:43.485 And it was only like, I didn't think I charged 01:56:43.485 --> 01:56:45.915 them that we're going back 20 years or so. 01:56:45.915 --> 01:56:48.255 I think it charged them like a hundred bucks or 01:56:48.255 --> 01:56:51.855 something like nothing and nothing for beat. 01:56:52.185 --> 01:56:52.485 Right. 01:56:52.485 --> 01:56:55.755 For setting somebody up for a great success 01:56:55.825 --> 01:56:56.775 in the industry. 01:56:57.705 --> 01:56:59.715 And then he comes by with his firearm. 01:56:59.715 --> 01:57:01.755 Can you cut and crown my, uh, my bureau for me. 01:57:01.755 --> 01:57:01.905 Yeah. 01:57:01.935 --> 01:57:02.475 Not a problem. 01:57:02.475 --> 01:57:03.705 Do it for free of charge. 01:57:03.705 --> 01:57:05.535 Can you help me find some deactivated or 01:57:05.545 --> 01:57:06.555 disabled firearms yet? 01:57:06.585 --> 01:57:07.125 Not a problem. 01:57:07.125 --> 01:57:07.755 We'll get you set up. 01:57:07.755 --> 01:57:08.745 Cause they had the contract. 01:57:09.015 --> 01:57:09.945 There's two businesses. 01:57:09.945 --> 01:57:11.805 One was, um, Murray Charlton. 01:57:11.895 --> 01:57:14.175 It was, uh, who at the time was the owner of 01:57:14.175 --> 01:57:18.075 MD charletons and myself who had the contract for 01:57:18.075 --> 01:57:20.595 all seized firearms from the police for disabling, 01:57:20.595 --> 01:57:22.335 for firearm safety course instruction. 01:57:22.515 --> 01:57:25.875 Oh, problem gets you set up and I'm in the back 01:57:25.935 --> 01:57:28.425 of hunter sporting goods, which is no longer. 01:57:29.595 --> 01:57:31.995 Helped a, uh, a fellow. 01:57:31.995 --> 01:57:35.175 I know who actually I met him in army cadet camp 01:57:35.175 --> 01:57:38.865 and lived with me for a while and, uh, helped him 01:57:38.865 --> 01:57:41.205 out and had a couple of gun stores till a point 01:57:41.205 --> 01:57:44.085 he took over and owned a hundred sporting goods 01:57:44.925 --> 01:57:45.825 and I'm in the back. 01:57:45.885 --> 01:57:47.565 And I see this other instructor who had 01:57:47.565 --> 01:57:49.395 trained up and had my cards out at the front of 01:57:49.395 --> 01:57:50.355 Hunter's sporting goods. 01:57:50.415 --> 01:57:51.975 And somebody comes in and they're looking 01:57:51.975 --> 01:57:54.015 to take a course and they pick up the card 01:57:54.015 --> 01:57:55.275 and I'm sitting there and I'm watching, he 01:57:55.275 --> 01:57:56.085 doesn't know I'm there. 01:57:56.745 --> 01:57:58.065 And this guy says, no, you don't want 01:57:58.065 --> 01:57:58.935 to go see them. 01:57:59.415 --> 01:57:59.565 Yeah. 01:57:59.595 --> 01:58:00.915 Travis guy, he's no good. 01:58:00.915 --> 01:58:01.725 You got to come to me. 01:58:01.725 --> 01:58:04.365 And he spends the entire time as, as opposed 01:58:04.365 --> 01:58:06.525 to saying why he's so great, which I think 01:58:06.525 --> 01:58:07.935 would be fantastic. 01:58:07.935 --> 01:58:10.365 Have anybody emphasize the points of why 01:58:10.365 --> 01:58:11.085 you are great. 01:58:11.445 --> 01:58:13.245 Don't spend the time emphasizing why the 01:58:13.245 --> 01:58:15.465 other person, in your opinion, isn't great. 01:58:15.795 --> 01:58:17.685 And I'm sitting there thinking like, holy 01:58:17.685 --> 01:58:20.055 Crow, like I bent over backwards to set you 01:58:20.055 --> 01:58:22.995 up only to have you out there bad on me. 01:58:22.995 --> 01:58:23.775 And I see this. 01:58:24.345 --> 01:58:27.255 And then when the May 16th, 2008 stuff went 01:58:27.255 --> 01:58:29.415 down, which will probably be a conversation 01:58:29.415 --> 01:58:30.225 at a later date. 01:58:30.885 --> 01:58:34.245 Um, I get to read things that he's written. 01:58:34.245 --> 01:58:35.325 Cause somebody supplied me. 01:58:35.325 --> 01:58:37.845 Back-end, uh, information they're getting from 01:58:37.845 --> 01:58:38.835 the, the forums. 01:58:38.895 --> 01:58:44.415 And it is astonishing what some people will do 01:58:44.475 --> 01:58:47.055 or say in order to just try and give themselves a 01:58:47.055 --> 01:58:49.665 leg up at the expense of anybody else out there. 01:58:50.025 --> 01:58:52.215 So I don't think there's ever going to 01:58:52.215 --> 01:58:56.895 be a lack of haters in our industry or any 01:58:56.895 --> 01:58:58.545 industry, but I think. 01:58:59.295 --> 01:59:01.725 Oh for myself personally, I've got to be a lot 01:59:01.725 --> 01:59:07.275 more diligent about, um, allowing myself to be, 01:59:07.515 --> 01:59:11.025 um, taken advantage of where my good intentions 01:59:11.025 --> 01:59:13.785 be used against me by those of intention. 01:59:14.265 --> 01:59:16.995 So as you're building yourself up and you're 01:59:16.995 --> 01:59:20.715 probably seeing similar kind of things, um, it's 01:59:20.715 --> 01:59:24.135 probably changing your approach to how you, 01:59:24.645 --> 01:59:26.955 how you report and how you put your blogs out. 01:59:27.705 --> 01:59:28.185 I don't know. 01:59:28.635 --> 01:59:29.025 Yeah. 01:59:29.625 --> 01:59:31.485 And I think also what I hear a bit like, 01:59:31.515 --> 01:59:33.645 um, underneath what you're saying is the 01:59:34.695 --> 01:59:38.055 it's besides what we do publicly on, on, on air, 01:59:38.055 --> 01:59:40.365 on microphone, on video in our businesses and so 01:59:40.365 --> 01:59:43.335 forth is how we change as men, as individuals. 01:59:43.395 --> 01:59:47.845 And, and I think it, yeah, it's reflect 01:59:47.845 --> 01:59:48.525 especially now. 01:59:48.525 --> 01:59:49.275 And that was apparent. 01:59:49.335 --> 01:59:51.075 Uh, what are the kinds of values I want to 01:59:51.105 --> 01:59:53.205 demonstrate because I I'm learning kids. 01:59:53.205 --> 01:59:54.345 Don't listen, they copy. 01:59:54.765 --> 01:59:56.955 Um, what are the values that I want to model 01:59:56.955 --> 01:59:58.245 for my, for my son? 01:59:58.875 --> 02:00:01.515 And one of those is that, okay, do you know 02:00:02.655 --> 02:00:04.275 you can, every cliche in the book that the 02:00:04.275 --> 02:00:07.125 dogs will bark, but the caravan moves on, or 02:00:07.125 --> 02:00:09.345 if you stop to throw rocks at every dog that 02:00:09.345 --> 02:00:11.235 barks, you will never reach your destination. 02:00:11.235 --> 02:00:12.495 I think that one's Winston Churchill, 02:00:13.005 --> 02:00:17.235 um, that we have to stay focused and 02:00:17.265 --> 02:00:18.375 stuff will happen. 02:00:18.615 --> 02:00:21.435 And that's that's noise and stay focused 02:00:21.435 --> 02:00:25.275 on, on, you know, signal, follow the 02:00:25.275 --> 02:00:26.265 signal, not the noise. 02:00:29.460 --> 02:00:29.790 I like that. 02:00:29.790 --> 02:00:30.000 That's 02:00:30.000 --> 02:00:30.330 funny. 02:00:30.360 --> 02:00:31.870 Follow the sound on that, the noise and 02:00:31.889 --> 02:00:35.940 be, be also, I think I I'm guessing, uh, that 02:00:36.630 --> 02:00:39.420 what, uh, w I'm I'm guessing that you've, 02:00:39.610 --> 02:00:41.820 I'm, I'm guessing that you would share this 02:00:41.820 --> 02:00:43.170 sentiment, but I should ask the question. 02:00:43.620 --> 02:00:45.690 I've learned a lot to be my own compass and to 02:00:45.690 --> 02:00:48.930 trust my own compass and to, and to listen and 02:00:48.930 --> 02:00:50.160 to hear my own compass. 02:00:50.580 --> 02:00:52.620 And it used to be, oh, what should I 02:00:52.620 --> 02:00:54.420 do when I look to others a lot more for 02:00:54.420 --> 02:00:55.710 validation or direction. 02:00:55.740 --> 02:00:58.620 And now it's a much more trusting of my own inner 02:00:58.620 --> 02:01:01.080 compass and learning to, uh, to accept that, 02:01:02.700 --> 02:01:04.500 you know, real easy hack on all of that 02:01:04.500 --> 02:01:05.550 for people maybe. 02:01:05.550 --> 02:01:06.960 So people are raised without a moral 02:01:06.960 --> 02:01:07.830 compass, right. 02:01:07.889 --> 02:01:12.269 Um, is just lean on the fact that 02:01:12.269 --> 02:01:12.900 you're a father. 02:01:13.380 --> 02:01:17.190 So I find when you say that, um, I think people 02:01:17.190 --> 02:01:18.900 are really ready and willing to be able to 02:01:18.900 --> 02:01:19.889 disappoint themselves. 02:01:20.070 --> 02:01:20.400 Right. 02:01:20.580 --> 02:01:21.660 Hey, did you work out today? 02:01:22.170 --> 02:01:22.470 Right? 02:01:22.530 --> 02:01:24.120 Uh, I've got no problem sitting on the couch, 02:01:24.150 --> 02:01:26.760 maybe playing, playing a video game or sleeping 02:01:26.760 --> 02:01:28.620 in later, but if you have to disappoint 02:01:28.620 --> 02:01:29.760 somebody else, right? 02:01:29.790 --> 02:01:29.880 Yeah. 02:01:29.910 --> 02:01:31.650 Is there somebody who's waiting for 02:01:31.650 --> 02:01:32.340 you at the gym? 02:01:32.519 --> 02:01:35.370 You're probably more likely to show up and 02:01:35.430 --> 02:01:38.490 how I conduct myself is if I do this, 02:01:38.490 --> 02:01:41.760 whether anybody knows or not, how would my 02:01:41.760 --> 02:01:42.900 children think about me? 02:01:42.960 --> 02:01:44.190 If they did find that out? 02:01:44.639 --> 02:01:46.019 How would my wife think about me? 02:01:46.230 --> 02:01:47.280 How do I want to be. 02:01:49.740 --> 02:01:51.690 Regardless of people ever find out or not. 02:01:51.690 --> 02:01:53.430 I want to conduct myself in a way where they 02:01:53.430 --> 02:01:54.270 would be proud of me. 02:01:54.390 --> 02:01:58.770 So I find that a very simple life hack for when 02:01:58.770 --> 02:01:59.850 you're making decisions. 02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:02.250 And oftentimes if it's a difficult 02:02:02.250 --> 02:02:04.620 decision, it's probably the right decision. 02:02:06.540 --> 02:02:09.330 So I love the, the pride angle and I I'm 02:02:09.390 --> 02:02:11.460 proud to say it because a while back I would 02:02:11.460 --> 02:02:12.600 have said, oh, that's, you know, kind of 02:02:12.600 --> 02:02:13.840 egotistical in vain. 02:02:13.840 --> 02:02:14.700 And what do you care? 02:02:14.700 --> 02:02:15.660 What other P and L you know, what 02:02:15.660 --> 02:02:16.050 do you care about? 02:02:16.080 --> 02:02:17.550 And I said, okay, use it. 02:02:17.580 --> 02:02:18.990 It's a Jedi mind trick. 02:02:18.990 --> 02:02:20.070 I'm a proud vain. 02:02:20.070 --> 02:02:21.420 You get just a gold, whatever. 02:02:21.480 --> 02:02:22.710 I'm going to use it to my advantage. 02:02:23.640 --> 02:02:25.650 I care about how I look and I care about 02:02:25.650 --> 02:02:27.300 what my wife and my kid think about me. 02:02:27.300 --> 02:02:29.280 And absolutely you got it. 02:02:29.550 --> 02:02:29.790 Okay. 02:02:30.450 --> 02:02:31.350 I like the life hack. 02:02:31.350 --> 02:02:31.530 Yeah. 02:02:31.530 --> 02:02:33.930 I use use the, uh, and also I think, 02:02:33.930 --> 02:02:35.220 but I think there is something deeper, 02:02:35.220 --> 02:02:37.320 which is your identity. 02:02:37.410 --> 02:02:39.330 I'm, I'm the type of guy who am I? 02:02:39.330 --> 02:02:42.540 The type of guy who misses my appointments 02:02:42.580 --> 02:02:45.450 and my commitments, or am I, am I the type 02:02:45.450 --> 02:02:47.460 of guy who respects my appointments 02:02:47.460 --> 02:02:48.390 and my commitments? 02:02:49.260 --> 02:02:50.280 It can be very powerful. 02:02:52.380 --> 02:02:53.070 Very much so. 02:02:53.700 --> 02:02:55.590 Well, we've, we've talked about a lot of 02:02:55.590 --> 02:02:56.340 different things here. 02:02:56.340 --> 02:02:57.960 We never did get into that one rabbit hole 02:02:57.960 --> 02:03:00.570 that you wanted to get in about the podcast 02:03:00.570 --> 02:03:00.870 later. 02:03:01.440 --> 02:03:02.310 Do you want to 02:03:02.310 --> 02:03:02.640 do that? 02:03:03.000 --> 02:03:03.120 No. 02:03:03.120 --> 02:03:03.330 No. 02:03:03.330 --> 02:03:03.600 No. 02:03:04.830 --> 02:03:05.160 Okay. 02:03:05.190 --> 02:03:05.550 How do you, 02:03:09.990 --> 02:03:13.140 how do you, um, decide, walk me through your 02:03:13.140 --> 02:03:15.150 process for the part for a plus, let's say 02:03:15.150 --> 02:03:16.350 a podcast episode. 02:03:19.214 --> 02:03:20.235 Uh, all depends. 02:03:20.295 --> 02:03:22.065 All depends on who I'm going to be 02:03:22.065 --> 02:03:23.144 having on as a guest. 02:03:23.205 --> 02:03:25.304 I mean, sometimes I will approach it more 02:03:25.304 --> 02:03:32.025 from a, um, maybe fly by the seat of your pants. 02:03:32.054 --> 02:03:33.134 I don't, I don't like to say that. 02:03:33.134 --> 02:03:34.335 Cause I always do research. 02:03:34.394 --> 02:03:35.745 I always have some ideas. 02:03:35.745 --> 02:03:37.724 I I'll write down different things that 02:03:37.724 --> 02:03:40.875 I'd like to have if I get stuck in the conversation 02:03:40.875 --> 02:03:42.974 and I don't quite know where to go, I've got 02:03:42.974 --> 02:03:44.804 different things like I've in front of me, I've 02:03:44.804 --> 02:03:46.605 got Alec Baldwin rust. 02:03:47.355 --> 02:03:50.325 There's one thing that completely off topic. 02:03:50.355 --> 02:03:50.625 Right. 02:03:50.655 --> 02:03:52.915 But it's something that is a, uh, 02:03:52.985 --> 02:03:54.045 a talking point. 02:03:54.134 --> 02:03:54.705 Um, 02:03:56.625 --> 02:03:57.105 yeah, I've got 02:03:58.184 --> 02:03:59.054 a bit of an interest. 02:04:00.375 --> 02:04:00.915 There you go. 02:04:01.004 --> 02:04:03.045 So I'll have the, I'll have an intro. 02:04:03.045 --> 02:04:03.855 So I know where to start. 02:04:03.855 --> 02:04:05.355 Cause I find that to be the most difficult 02:04:05.355 --> 02:04:06.195 thing in the podcast. 02:04:06.195 --> 02:04:08.054 How do you start the conversation? 02:04:08.625 --> 02:04:11.025 And I don't listen to podcasts. 02:04:11.445 --> 02:04:14.924 I, once in a while, I'll hear tidbits from some, 02:04:15.254 --> 02:04:16.754 but I'm not the type of person to sit down and 02:04:16.754 --> 02:04:19.514 listen to a full long form podcasts because 02:04:20.025 --> 02:04:21.075 I don't have the time. 02:04:21.105 --> 02:04:23.384 If I'm in my vehicle, I'm driving to go 02:04:23.384 --> 02:04:25.785 hunting, let's say or go surfing or I'm going 02:04:25.785 --> 02:04:27.105 to be gone for awhile. 02:04:27.525 --> 02:04:28.394 Uh, sure. 02:04:28.424 --> 02:04:29.025 Not a problem. 02:04:29.025 --> 02:04:32.474 I'll listen to a book or a podcast, but I, my 02:04:32.474 --> 02:04:34.245 office is a 10 minute walk from my house. 02:04:34.245 --> 02:04:36.105 My studio is a 10 minute drive from my house. 02:04:36.105 --> 02:04:37.394 It doesn't give me a lot of time to 02:04:37.394 --> 02:04:38.205 listen to a podcast. 02:04:38.205 --> 02:04:40.605 So unless I'm doing some woodworking in the shop 02:04:40.605 --> 02:04:42.405 or I'm in the middle shop in the back here, maybe 02:04:42.405 --> 02:04:43.844 I'll put something on in the background to live. 02:04:44.940 --> 02:04:47.730 Um, I don't I've approached the podcast 02:04:47.759 --> 02:04:52.019 from a, um, intentionally ignorant standpoint. 02:04:52.650 --> 02:04:54.210 I don't know if that's good or bad, but I didn't 02:04:54.210 --> 02:04:56.219 want to be like every other podcast and maybe 02:04:56.219 --> 02:04:57.120 I ended up like it. 02:04:57.330 --> 02:04:57.960 I don't know. 02:04:58.050 --> 02:05:01.200 Um, but I wanted to be able to provide something 02:05:01.860 --> 02:05:03.150 that was unique to me. 02:05:03.540 --> 02:05:05.759 And I figured the best way to do that would be 02:05:05.790 --> 02:05:07.800 just without inundating myself to try and be 02:05:07.800 --> 02:05:08.700 like everybody else. 02:05:09.900 --> 02:05:11.160 Do you pick your guests? 02:05:11.190 --> 02:05:12.660 My guests approach you 02:05:14.250 --> 02:05:14.639 both. 02:05:14.790 --> 02:05:16.590 So we got, we got both sides. 02:05:16.830 --> 02:05:20.340 I mean, I'm, I'm super flattered when someone 02:05:20.340 --> 02:05:23.580 approaches me, uh, there have been some podcasts 02:05:23.580 --> 02:05:25.380 that will never see the light of day and not 02:05:25.380 --> 02:05:27.450 because they were a bad podcast, but because 02:05:27.450 --> 02:05:29.610 I've got respect from the guests who came on there 02:05:29.610 --> 02:05:31.650 and I, I didn't feel that they came across in 02:05:31.650 --> 02:05:32.759 the best possible way. 02:05:32.759 --> 02:05:35.910 And it didn't, it didn't go in line with the 02:05:35.910 --> 02:05:38.340 bringing the positivity and the, the core values 02:05:38.340 --> 02:05:40.889 of what I would like to be able to put through on 02:05:40.889 --> 02:05:42.059 this Silvercore podcast. 02:05:42.420 --> 02:05:45.300 Um, I've got one, I'll be recording next week with 02:05:45.300 --> 02:05:50.550 just a fantastic fellow who is, um, extremely 02:05:50.550 --> 02:05:51.420 well accomplished. 02:05:51.420 --> 02:05:52.920 He's been on past podcasts. 02:05:52.950 --> 02:05:54.420 People will hear about them again. 02:05:54.450 --> 02:05:56.309 So I won't be given that one away, but, 02:05:56.309 --> 02:05:59.009 uh, uh, gave me a message last night. 02:05:59.110 --> 02:06:01.019 It says, uh, it's been too long. 02:06:01.019 --> 02:06:02.400 It really liked to be on the podcast 02:06:02.400 --> 02:06:04.980 and he's done tons of different podcasts. 02:06:05.309 --> 02:06:05.940 Very well. 02:06:07.050 --> 02:06:10.230 And, um, oh, I'll take it for what it is. 02:06:10.230 --> 02:06:11.640 He says, you know, out of all the podcasts 02:06:11.640 --> 02:06:13.260 that I've been on, I look forward to 02:06:13.260 --> 02:06:14.130 yours the most. 02:06:14.580 --> 02:06:20.160 And so that's, um, um, I, I value that highly. 02:06:20.730 --> 02:06:20.940 Yeah. 02:06:20.970 --> 02:06:23.070 So, so, uh, I will try and find people 02:06:23.070 --> 02:06:25.710 who have extraordinary life experiences. 02:06:26.310 --> 02:06:27.810 Uh, there's been suggestions that have 02:06:27.810 --> 02:06:29.760 come up for some people who've done some pretty 02:06:29.760 --> 02:06:31.740 neat things, but I just don't have any idea in 02:06:31.740 --> 02:06:33.390 my head of how I'll be able to talk with them. 02:06:34.410 --> 02:06:36.180 And until I can get that figured out, I 02:06:36.180 --> 02:06:37.830 don't, I don't ask them to be a guest. 02:06:38.400 --> 02:06:38.790 Um, 02:06:39.390 --> 02:06:39.570 Hmm. 02:06:40.020 --> 02:06:42.510 How long does it take you from prep 02:06:42.570 --> 02:06:46.530 to recording, to editing, to publishing? 02:06:47.460 --> 02:06:50.070 Uh, some are really quick, uh, most aren't. 02:06:50.490 --> 02:06:53.340 So as I go through a podcast, I will, 02:06:53.370 --> 02:06:54.810 uh, record it. 02:06:55.170 --> 02:06:56.550 So we've been talking for a while. 02:06:56.550 --> 02:06:58.260 I think this is my longest podcast yet. 02:06:58.770 --> 02:07:01.140 Um, oh, I'll record it. 02:07:01.290 --> 02:07:04.230 And then if I'm really on the ball, I will edit it 02:07:04.290 --> 02:07:06.510 right shortly afterwards, while everything's still 02:07:06.630 --> 02:07:07.980 fresh in my memory. 02:07:08.490 --> 02:07:12.720 And if there are long extended pauses, then 02:07:12.810 --> 02:07:14.370 for the listeners sake, cause I value 02:07:14.370 --> 02:07:15.300 the listeners time. 02:07:15.630 --> 02:07:16.980 I figured they're going to be spending their 02:07:16.980 --> 02:07:17.730 time listening to me. 02:07:17.730 --> 02:07:19.050 I want to provide them with something 02:07:19.050 --> 02:07:20.550 as educational or entertaining. 02:07:20.550 --> 02:07:23.250 And I'll, I'll take out some of the long pauses 02:07:23.250 --> 02:07:25.410 or let's say somebody had to use a washroom 02:07:25.410 --> 02:07:25.980 halfway everyday. 02:07:26.190 --> 02:07:28.350 Obviously we edit all that stuff out, but 02:07:28.350 --> 02:07:30.840 I do my best now not to go over it with a 02:07:30.840 --> 02:07:32.580 white glove treatment, not taking out all 02:07:32.580 --> 02:07:34.950 the ums and AHS and ticks and all the rest. 02:07:35.670 --> 02:07:40.275 Um, So I can get through one in a 02:07:40.275 --> 02:07:43.695 day, but oftentimes it'll be longer. 02:07:43.845 --> 02:07:46.275 Uh, because now that we have video, I've got 02:07:46.275 --> 02:07:47.085 to do color grading. 02:07:47.085 --> 02:07:49.335 I've learned premier pro and Adobe audition, 02:07:49.335 --> 02:07:52.365 and then you gotta make, um, I, I run it through 02:07:52.365 --> 02:07:54.255 and to do a complete transcript of everything 02:07:54.255 --> 02:07:57.765 that we've talked about, um, for SEO and I run 02:07:57.765 --> 02:08:00.135 it into, uh, YouTube. 02:08:00.135 --> 02:08:01.485 And so you have to make thumbnails and 02:08:01.485 --> 02:08:04.665 Photoshop and, uh, then do a bit of a writeup 02:08:04.965 --> 02:08:07.785 and post it up on the, your podcast provider. 02:08:07.815 --> 02:08:09.375 And then you're constantly looking at 02:08:09.765 --> 02:08:11.925 different areas where you can pick up feeds and 02:08:11.925 --> 02:08:14.835 then I'll get on to read it in different forums. 02:08:14.835 --> 02:08:16.395 If I think it's going to bring value to the 02:08:16.395 --> 02:08:18.165 people, I don't want to be the guys out 02:08:18.165 --> 02:08:20.055 there just shamelessly plugging myself. 02:08:20.235 --> 02:08:22.035 But if I can actually add some value to a 02:08:22.035 --> 02:08:25.485 conversation, then I will submit it on 02:08:25.485 --> 02:08:27.225 these different places just to try and get 02:08:27.225 --> 02:08:28.005 some more exposure. 02:08:28.005 --> 02:08:33.045 So it's, um, uh, it's not a swift endeavor. 02:08:33.525 --> 02:08:34.995 Mind you I've done a podcast with 02:08:34.995 --> 02:08:36.165 another fellow he's. 02:08:36.165 --> 02:08:39.345 Um, first one that I was ever on was his podcast 02:08:39.975 --> 02:08:43.875 and he will record it and it's up bang it's 02:08:43.875 --> 02:08:46.395 up, that's it flaws and all, and he says it 02:08:46.425 --> 02:08:48.015 adds a realism to it. 02:08:48.705 --> 02:08:50.085 Maybe there's something to be said there. 02:08:50.805 --> 02:08:52.755 I don't know that maybe the guests 02:08:52.755 --> 02:08:53.505 can let me know 02:08:55.095 --> 02:08:56.295 that the listeners maybe. 02:08:57.195 --> 02:08:58.905 Recording live is, is, is how I've been 02:08:58.905 --> 02:08:59.625 doing it lately. 02:08:59.625 --> 02:09:00.855 That's my preferred approach. 02:09:00.915 --> 02:09:01.065 Yeah. 02:09:01.075 --> 02:09:04.035 Listeners do tell, tell, tell Travis, uh, 02:09:04.545 --> 02:09:07.635 um, what you think the, is this, would it be 02:09:07.635 --> 02:09:08.985 fair to say that this podcast that we're 02:09:08.985 --> 02:09:10.995 doing now of, of your podcast is the one where 02:09:10.995 --> 02:09:12.135 you've spoken the most? 02:09:13.815 --> 02:09:14.745 Uh, probably yes. 02:09:15.455 --> 02:09:15.735 Yeah. 02:09:15.765 --> 02:09:17.235 There was one other I did with the, 02:09:18.525 --> 02:09:19.485 you do a lot of listening. 02:09:19.485 --> 02:09:19.995 I noticed 02:09:21.975 --> 02:09:22.365 I do. 02:09:22.395 --> 02:09:23.745 If a person wants to talk, I'm going to let 02:09:23.745 --> 02:09:26.595 them talk because I can, if I wanted to, I can 02:09:26.595 --> 02:09:28.935 turn the mic on myself and I don't have to have 02:09:28.935 --> 02:09:30.615 anybody in the room and I can talk all I want. 02:09:31.215 --> 02:09:33.765 But if I've asked somebody to come in 02:09:33.765 --> 02:09:36.345 and they're using their time to share their 02:09:36.345 --> 02:09:39.075 passion with others, I want to hear what 02:09:39.075 --> 02:09:39.765 they have to say. 02:09:39.795 --> 02:09:42.375 It's I, it's not an ego thing for me. 02:09:42.585 --> 02:09:45.705 I don't, I don't particularly enjoy 02:09:45.735 --> 02:09:48.285 listening to my voice, but I enjoy the process 02:09:48.285 --> 02:09:49.575 of creating something. 02:09:50.205 --> 02:09:56.055 And if I can watch that grow, uh, and 02:09:56.055 --> 02:09:59.535 others get value out of it, then I like that. 02:09:59.805 --> 02:10:01.905 So that's why I do a 02:10:01.905 --> 02:10:02.475 lot of listening. 02:10:03.135 --> 02:10:05.835 Uh, I'm getting the impression that 02:10:05.835 --> 02:10:08.475 you like to empower people, is that fair? 02:10:10.095 --> 02:10:11.175 I tend to, yes. 02:10:11.235 --> 02:10:14.715 And that can the process of empowering 02:10:14.715 --> 02:10:15.375 other people. 02:10:15.945 --> 02:10:17.505 The difficult part is finding the right 02:10:17.505 --> 02:10:20.565 people to spend your time and energy. 02:10:21.255 --> 02:10:25.650 Um, In earlier years, I would help 02:10:25.680 --> 02:10:26.400 everybody else. 02:10:26.580 --> 02:10:27.060 Everyone. 02:10:27.060 --> 02:10:29.070 I can just help them out and do what I can because 02:10:29.070 --> 02:10:33.060 I find value in being of assistance to others. 02:10:33.150 --> 02:10:34.980 And I mean, you can analyze that any which 02:10:34.980 --> 02:10:36.960 way you want to from the positive to the negative 02:10:36.960 --> 02:10:42.750 sides, but, um, um, in empowering other people 02:10:42.750 --> 02:10:44.580 to be able to have their own voice and get the 02:10:44.580 --> 02:10:47.640 message out there is also a bleed off on that. 02:10:47.760 --> 02:10:50.460 If they have something that's worthwhile, 02:10:51.600 --> 02:10:52.950 hopefully others will share it. 02:10:53.310 --> 02:10:54.960 I don't monetize a podcast. 02:10:54.960 --> 02:10:56.280 I have zero intentions of ever 02:10:56.280 --> 02:10:57.540 monetizing a podcast. 02:10:58.230 --> 02:11:03.120 But what it does is it is a another area 02:11:03.120 --> 02:11:04.830 where people can hear more about what 02:11:04.830 --> 02:11:05.670 Silvercore is about. 02:11:06.750 --> 02:11:10.410 It used to be, in my opinion, businesses 02:11:10.410 --> 02:11:12.900 would talk about the Royal we, oh, we're 02:11:12.900 --> 02:11:14.040 getting to it shortly. 02:11:14.040 --> 02:11:17.280 And our team is looking at, and, um, these 02:11:17.280 --> 02:11:19.290 are our friends of our team or whatever it is 02:11:19.290 --> 02:11:21.240 that they want to put out on social media 02:11:21.240 --> 02:11:22.110 or in their messaging. 02:11:22.110 --> 02:11:23.460 When in fact it's one person in their 02:11:23.460 --> 02:11:25.080 basement typing on their computer, right. 02:11:25.560 --> 02:11:26.730 Nothing wrong with that. 02:11:26.850 --> 02:11:30.870 But I think that people, the general public is 02:11:30.870 --> 02:11:32.970 tired of the we, and they want to know the 02:11:32.970 --> 02:11:34.140 individual behind it. 02:11:34.620 --> 02:11:36.030 If they're going to support a business and 02:11:36.030 --> 02:11:37.620 there's other businesses out there that they could 02:11:37.620 --> 02:11:39.660 support, why would they choose your business over 02:11:39.660 --> 02:11:44.070 somebody else's maybe it's price, maybe it's 02:11:44.070 --> 02:11:45.600 because their values align with your own. 02:11:46.500 --> 02:11:49.350 Maybe the offer a secure superior product, or 02:11:49.350 --> 02:11:51.480 it's better availability or accessibility or 02:11:51.480 --> 02:11:52.320 whatever it might be. 02:11:52.320 --> 02:11:54.780 But by providing this voice, it's got that 02:11:54.780 --> 02:11:58.230 double-edged sword of the positive of people 02:11:58.230 --> 02:12:00.010 getting to know what Silvercore is about 02:12:00.010 --> 02:12:01.590 because Silvercore is my business. 02:12:01.590 --> 02:12:04.710 So by default, it's going to have, share 02:12:04.830 --> 02:12:08.370 my, my core attributes, but it's also going to 02:12:08.370 --> 02:12:09.570 alienate some people too. 02:12:10.020 --> 02:12:12.540 So, you know, I just take the good with the bad. 02:12:13.290 --> 02:12:14.370 How did you choose the name? 02:12:14.370 --> 02:12:15.000 Silvercore. 02:12:18.060 --> 02:12:18.810 Super easy. 02:12:18.810 --> 02:12:22.470 Actually, my grandfather was a police 02:12:22.470 --> 02:12:23.940 officer, detective Vancouver police. 02:12:23.940 --> 02:12:25.050 His name was silver Armando. 02:12:25.260 --> 02:12:27.060 My other grandfather was Cornelius Bader. 02:12:27.060 --> 02:12:29.820 He's an entrepreneur and he, uh, had a 02:12:29.820 --> 02:12:32.910 very successful, uh, bakery that he had. 02:12:32.910 --> 02:12:35.190 He re he owned about a city block down by the 02:12:35.190 --> 02:12:36.480 Croatian cultural center. 02:12:36.480 --> 02:12:38.340 And he used to talk about how they're 02:12:38.340 --> 02:12:40.110 were bigger than dad's oatmeal cookies. 02:12:40.620 --> 02:12:43.520 But anyways, I just took silver in core and 02:12:43.520 --> 02:12:45.390 it just cold core, a little bit different. 02:12:45.420 --> 02:12:48.210 Did a little port man do, and I got silver car. 02:12:49.830 --> 02:12:50.340 Beautiful. 02:12:50.730 --> 02:12:51.930 Have, have you ever thought of doing 02:12:51.930 --> 02:12:52.680 them or maybe you do? 02:12:52.680 --> 02:12:53.490 I haven't seen it. 02:12:54.900 --> 02:12:57.840 The Travis Bader show where you do get to where 02:12:57.840 --> 02:12:59.880 you're not interviewing a guest, but you are giving 02:12:59.970 --> 02:13:03.120 your rent, whatever your view on things, 02:13:03.780 --> 02:13:05.760 a solo, basically you in front of the camera 02:13:05.760 --> 02:13:06.660 ever thought of that. 02:13:08.040 --> 02:13:09.690 Uh, no I haven't. 02:13:09.870 --> 02:13:10.770 And I don't know if there'd be an 02:13:10.770 --> 02:13:12.090 appetite for it again. 02:13:12.090 --> 02:13:15.120 Maybe the listeners can let me know, but I've. 02:13:16.559 --> 02:13:18.719 Uh, never been the type, despite being the one 02:13:18.719 --> 02:13:21.210 who's would be in front of a class teaching and 02:13:21.419 --> 02:13:26.339 at the ego portion of all of that has never been 02:13:26.339 --> 02:13:27.540 the motivator for me. 02:13:28.230 --> 02:13:32.219 I would watch people teach and it's, uh, 02:13:32.400 --> 02:13:35.129 a trick that I will tell my instructors 02:13:35.129 --> 02:13:36.299 as well that I use. 02:13:36.389 --> 02:13:38.370 And if it works for them, great, maybe 02:13:38.370 --> 02:13:39.210 they want to borrow it. 02:13:39.750 --> 02:13:42.660 But so often I find people when they teach 02:13:42.719 --> 02:13:44.639 will stand up in the front of the class 02:13:44.639 --> 02:13:47.219 and they will, uh, spew information and 02:13:47.219 --> 02:13:48.750 they'll throw it out and they'll see what 02:13:48.750 --> 02:13:51.570 catches, um, they'll go through the PowerPoint. 02:13:51.570 --> 02:13:53.190 They'll show the different slides we'll 02:13:53.519 --> 02:13:58.139 have have little breaks, but if you take yourself 02:13:58.139 --> 02:14:00.450 out of the equation and you know, I know 02:14:00.450 --> 02:14:02.160 one instructor and he's probably right. 02:14:02.160 --> 02:14:03.960 He says, you know, all good instructors 02:14:03.960 --> 02:14:04.799 should have ego. 02:14:05.280 --> 02:14:07.620 And from the standpoint of like, you care enough 02:14:07.620 --> 02:14:10.290 about whether your classes thinks of you, 02:14:10.290 --> 02:14:11.910 that you want to put on a pro quality product, 02:14:11.910 --> 02:14:17.309 I totally agree, but I will, as opposed to, uh, 02:14:17.669 --> 02:14:20.580 teaching a course, I am, I treat my class like 02:14:20.580 --> 02:14:22.740 they're an individual, the entire class as 02:14:22.740 --> 02:14:24.809 if they're one person, one person that has 02:14:25.049 --> 02:14:26.400 a bunch of different questions that has 02:14:26.400 --> 02:14:28.200 different personalities, that there's different 02:14:28.200 --> 02:14:30.509 ways that I have to approach that one person. 02:14:30.900 --> 02:14:34.679 But for me, teaching is a very personable process. 02:14:34.740 --> 02:14:37.860 And with the end result of them leaving and 02:14:37.860 --> 02:14:40.379 not needing me, them leaving and being more 02:14:40.379 --> 02:14:42.570 competent in whatever it was that they had before. 02:14:42.570 --> 02:14:44.219 And if they're able to be better than me. 02:14:45.389 --> 02:14:47.160 I take that as a compliment, that I was 02:14:47.160 --> 02:14:50.250 able to help them on the process to some degree 02:14:50.250 --> 02:14:53.250 or another where they can do even better. 02:14:53.309 --> 02:14:56.070 So it's never been an ego process for 02:14:56.070 --> 02:14:57.990 me and for the Travis speeder showed us, 02:14:58.050 --> 02:14:59.309 give, give your views. 02:14:59.969 --> 02:15:01.469 Number one, I don't know if I'd have enough 02:15:01.559 --> 02:15:02.880 to talk about, right. 02:15:03.059 --> 02:15:07.080 Um, but number two, I'm I do tend to shy away from 02:15:07.080 --> 02:15:08.219 the camera and the mic. 02:15:08.490 --> 02:15:08.940 It's weird. 02:15:08.940 --> 02:15:11.130 When we talk about, I was talking with, uh, Brad 02:15:11.130 --> 02:15:14.519 Brooks who's, as I say it, I seen it, he sit 02:15:14.519 --> 02:15:16.590 here yapping for the last couple of hours, right. 02:15:17.009 --> 02:15:19.889 Uh, Brad works, he owns our galley and 02:15:19.889 --> 02:15:23.610 uh, he says, um, that he's an introvert. 02:15:24.179 --> 02:15:25.440 And he said, you'd be surprised at how 02:15:25.440 --> 02:15:28.170 many people in the industry are introverts. 02:15:28.259 --> 02:15:31.469 Um, and I'm like, well, hold on a second. 02:15:31.679 --> 02:15:34.230 So he's got an awesome, uh, you go 02:15:34.230 --> 02:15:36.090 to go check out Brad Brooks, his business, 02:15:36.240 --> 02:15:38.130 awesome business, go check out his, uh, 02:15:38.730 --> 02:15:39.960 uh, YouTube channel. 02:15:39.960 --> 02:15:42.990 And he does like fantastic cinematography 02:15:42.990 --> 02:15:45.509 filmography showing him up in the mountains, 02:15:45.509 --> 02:15:47.340 doing his thing from a very personal 02:15:47.340 --> 02:15:48.120 kind of connection. 02:15:48.120 --> 02:15:50.429 And he says, you know, and he lists 02:15:50.429 --> 02:15:52.380 off a number of other names in the industry 02:15:52.380 --> 02:15:53.849 that are well known. 02:15:53.849 --> 02:15:55.330 Some people through the mediator, cruise 02:15:55.330 --> 02:15:56.280 someone other crews. 02:15:56.300 --> 02:15:57.660 And he says, you know, all these people, 02:15:57.660 --> 02:16:00.809 when we talk there were introverts. 02:16:01.320 --> 02:16:02.519 And I said, well, I don't know. 02:16:02.519 --> 02:16:05.130 I guess I can't be an introvert because, you 02:16:05.130 --> 02:16:06.870 know, I got the camera and the mic and all the 02:16:06.870 --> 02:16:08.250 rest, he says, well, let me ask you this. 02:16:08.670 --> 02:16:11.670 If you're in a group of people, does 02:16:11.670 --> 02:16:12.150 that charge you. 02:16:13.049 --> 02:16:15.480 Or do you leave drained afterwards? 02:16:16.290 --> 02:16:18.840 And I said, huh, interesting way 02:16:18.840 --> 02:16:19.650 to look at that. 02:16:19.830 --> 02:16:21.059 Cause it doesn't charge me up. 02:16:21.090 --> 02:16:23.820 I find, I give a lot of myself when 02:16:23.820 --> 02:16:26.219 I interact with the class, I'll be drained 02:16:26.309 --> 02:16:28.230 when I, I enjoy it. 02:16:28.290 --> 02:16:29.759 I enjoy the process of helping them, but 02:16:30.059 --> 02:16:31.860 going out to parties or public areas I'm 02:16:31.860 --> 02:16:34.590 drained and prime example of that is like going 02:16:34.590 --> 02:16:37.830 to shot show, forget it, not my favorite 02:16:37.830 --> 02:16:38.820 place to be right. 02:16:39.029 --> 02:16:41.250 Too many people, too much stuff going on. 02:16:41.250 --> 02:16:42.420 I'll go there if I have to. 02:16:42.420 --> 02:16:45.990 But uh, uh, I guess maybe by that definition, 02:16:46.110 --> 02:16:46.740 I'm an introvert. 02:16:48.600 --> 02:16:48.990 Interesting. 02:16:48.990 --> 02:16:51.719 Cause I I'm, I'm back to, I I'm, I would 02:16:51.719 --> 02:16:54.230 love to, uh, see the Travis theater show if 02:16:54.270 --> 02:16:57.809 that, uh, if that ever happens, I support it. 02:16:58.020 --> 02:17:02.520 But also it's the, um, I think that it's, I 02:17:02.520 --> 02:17:04.709 don't, and I don't view it as a selfish thing. 02:17:04.709 --> 02:17:06.119 It can be, it can be an ego trip. 02:17:06.119 --> 02:17:08.610 Look at me, look at me, but I don't think that's 02:17:08.610 --> 02:17:11.430 how the, the YouTube personalities that say 02:17:11.430 --> 02:17:12.270 that, that I follow. 02:17:12.270 --> 02:17:14.070 That's not, I don't think their motivator. 02:17:14.430 --> 02:17:17.039 I think, um, I think it's in line with what you 02:17:17.039 --> 02:17:18.570 were saying that they have an approach or a 02:17:18.570 --> 02:17:21.779 view or an angle or, or a skill or an expertise 02:17:21.779 --> 02:17:22.770 that they're sharing. 02:17:23.309 --> 02:17:27.270 And I know for myself that I. 02:17:28.995 --> 02:17:30.525 Um, you teach what you need to learn. 02:17:30.555 --> 02:17:32.025 It's through the sharing and through 02:17:32.025 --> 02:17:34.245 the expression that I discover. 02:17:34.365 --> 02:17:36.465 Oh, I don't, I don't know what I think till I hear 02:17:36.465 --> 02:17:39.255 what I say and it helps me to refine and, and I, 02:17:39.255 --> 02:17:41.235 sometimes I hear myself stay stuff that I, that 02:17:41.235 --> 02:17:43.455 surprises me or that I, when it comes out of my 02:17:43.455 --> 02:17:45.765 head, I was like, I don't actually believe that. 02:17:45.765 --> 02:17:48.555 So it's, uh, I guess you, the, the fact that, 02:17:48.585 --> 02:17:52.365 yeah, you have a lot to someone like you and 02:17:52.365 --> 02:17:54.525 you in particular, you have a lot to offer. 02:17:54.855 --> 02:17:57.705 And, um, and it, I don't see it as actually a 02:17:57.705 --> 02:18:00.855 selfish or, um, vanity. 02:18:00.855 --> 02:18:02.445 It doesn't have, it can be a vanity project 02:18:02.445 --> 02:18:03.855 and maybe that's okay, but it doesn't have 02:18:03.855 --> 02:18:04.905 to be a vanity project. 02:18:05.535 --> 02:18:07.845 Well, I might have to rethink my approach 02:18:07.845 --> 02:18:11.505 or my, my, how I, uh, view that whole thing. 02:18:12.135 --> 02:18:16.095 I, I guess at this point, I'm at the stage where 02:18:16.095 --> 02:18:18.345 I don't even know how to take that first step in 02:18:18.345 --> 02:18:20.715 doing it and as stupid as that sounds, and it 02:18:20.715 --> 02:18:23.685 was kind of like when I started Silvercore, like 02:18:23.775 --> 02:18:26.145 what's the first step I'm like, okay, I'm going 02:18:26.145 --> 02:18:27.225 to be a businessman. 02:18:27.225 --> 02:18:28.665 I guess I need business cards. 02:18:28.695 --> 02:18:29.205 Right. 02:18:29.685 --> 02:18:31.755 So go out and get myself some business cards. 02:18:31.755 --> 02:18:32.925 I'll probably need a logo. 02:18:32.925 --> 02:18:34.485 So I make that little swirly logo. 02:18:34.485 --> 02:18:34.785 Right. 02:18:34.965 --> 02:18:38.205 Um, I, I know others, they got business 02:18:38.205 --> 02:18:40.005 bank accounts at the Royal bank of Canada. 02:18:40.035 --> 02:18:40.725 That's what I need. 02:18:40.965 --> 02:18:43.155 I had no idea how to build a business. 02:18:43.415 --> 02:18:44.775 I did no background. 02:18:44.805 --> 02:18:46.665 I had nobody to show me the process. 02:18:47.115 --> 02:18:51.795 And, um, in hindsight, looking at it, 02:18:52.125 --> 02:18:54.615 what's taken me so many years to build. 02:18:56.535 --> 02:18:58.575 I could rebuild next week. 02:18:58.665 --> 02:19:01.095 Cause it, it really is easy once, you know? 02:19:01.125 --> 02:19:03.015 So when you talk about doing a solo show for 02:19:03.015 --> 02:19:07.515 somebody who's talking on a podcast anyways, um, I 02:19:07.515 --> 02:19:10.335 haven't even put my head to what that would look 02:19:10.335 --> 02:19:11.145 like or how you do it. 02:19:11.625 --> 02:19:11.745 Okay. 02:19:11.775 --> 02:19:12.165 Cause, 02:19:12.645 --> 02:19:13.485 cause for it's interesting. 02:19:13.515 --> 02:19:15.405 I think, you know, things are easy once you know 02:19:15.405 --> 02:19:17.625 how to do it and they're impossible or difficult, 02:19:17.835 --> 02:19:20.745 but it's like, you like, you, you, you got the 02:19:20.745 --> 02:19:23.175 microphone, you've got the camera, you sit in 02:19:23.175 --> 02:19:24.585 front of the microphone in front of the camera, 02:19:24.585 --> 02:19:25.485 you press record. 02:19:25.485 --> 02:19:27.345 And you, you say what's on your mind 02:19:27.825 --> 02:19:30.015 is one way to do it is one way to do it. 02:19:30.125 --> 02:19:32.295 Other people write a script that they feed 02:19:32.295 --> 02:19:33.945 into a teleprompter and like there's a, 02:19:34.425 --> 02:19:37.365 like a thousand ways, a thousand ways to do it. 02:19:37.425 --> 02:19:40.305 And I, by the way, I'm, I know I'm not, I'm not, 02:19:40.305 --> 02:19:41.805 it's not my place to, to pressure you, we're 02:19:41.805 --> 02:19:42.345 telling you what to do. 02:19:42.345 --> 02:19:43.755 I'm just expressing curiosity. 02:19:43.755 --> 02:19:46.155 And uh, and uh, yeah, I would support that 02:19:46.155 --> 02:19:47.745 project if, uh, if you 02:19:47.745 --> 02:19:52.095 ever do it from a, from a standpoint of if, if 02:19:52.095 --> 02:19:54.405 the industry or people had questions that they 02:19:54.405 --> 02:19:57.615 wanted answers, I'd be happy to sit down 02:19:57.615 --> 02:19:58.425 and go through them. 02:19:58.455 --> 02:20:01.065 And, uh, rather than rehearse and look 02:20:01.065 --> 02:20:03.015 through and try and, uh, come up with the 02:20:03.015 --> 02:20:04.065 best possible answer. 02:20:04.095 --> 02:20:05.745 Just give them the oddest answer that 02:20:05.745 --> 02:20:07.455 I have at that time and be able to touch 02:20:07.455 --> 02:20:08.475 back on a later base. 02:20:08.535 --> 02:20:08.835 Yep. 02:20:08.865 --> 02:20:11.415 And not, I could see that as a very viable way 02:20:11.415 --> 02:20:13.185 to, uh, to approach it. 02:20:13.455 --> 02:20:15.855 But for me to actively have to search out, 02:20:15.855 --> 02:20:17.475 like, what do I want to talk about this week? 02:20:17.505 --> 02:20:18.825 Where do I want to go with this? 02:20:19.185 --> 02:20:23.625 Um, Might be like at the end of the day, there's 02:20:23.625 --> 02:20:24.645 only so many hours. 02:20:24.645 --> 02:20:27.255 So it'd be a reallocation of other duties 02:20:27.255 --> 02:20:28.935 that I'm, that I'm currently looking at. 02:20:29.445 --> 02:20:31.965 Um, Hmm. 02:20:32.385 --> 02:20:32.865 Interesting. 02:20:33.225 --> 02:20:35.235 And now it's occurring to me that you get that 02:20:35.535 --> 02:20:38.265 you get to express your values, your beliefs 02:20:38.595 --> 02:20:40.785 in the classroom, in the podcast. 02:20:40.785 --> 02:20:43.185 And in other venues, you don't need a 02:20:43.185 --> 02:20:44.115 separate show to do it. 02:20:44.115 --> 02:20:46.605 You have other channels where you can get it 02:20:46.605 --> 02:20:47.295 done in a different way. 02:20:47.295 --> 02:20:47.655 Maybe, 02:20:49.125 --> 02:20:50.895 you know, the, the difficulty with being 02:20:50.895 --> 02:20:51.615 a business owner. 02:20:51.615 --> 02:20:54.465 So we've got about a little over, 02:20:54.525 --> 02:20:55.845 over 20 people. 02:20:55.845 --> 02:20:59.355 I work with Silvercore and, uh, w admin staff 02:20:59.355 --> 02:21:04.545 and instructors, and, um, that as you grow 02:21:04.545 --> 02:21:06.735 your business, despite the fact that you love 02:21:06.735 --> 02:21:09.375 what it is you do, you tend to do less 02:21:09.675 --> 02:21:12.105 of what it is that you originally started doing. 02:21:12.585 --> 02:21:14.265 So I'm still in the classroom. 02:21:14.265 --> 02:21:16.005 I'll still help out and make sure you keep 02:21:16.005 --> 02:21:16.905 the instructor number. 02:21:16.905 --> 02:21:19.935 And I'm training the new instructors as a master 02:21:19.935 --> 02:21:22.515 instructor, but the day to day instruction and 02:21:22.515 --> 02:21:24.405 teaching, if I were to put myself into that 02:21:24.405 --> 02:21:29.385 role, which I love doing would be a disservice to 02:21:29.385 --> 02:21:33.345 my coworkers who require the business to expand 02:21:33.405 --> 02:21:34.935 and to, to move forward. 02:21:34.935 --> 02:21:38.235 So, uh, who wants to, just to the typical 02:21:38.235 --> 02:21:40.095 thing that you get bigger and bigger, 02:21:40.095 --> 02:21:41.775 and he stopped doing the one thing that you 02:21:41.805 --> 02:21:44.655 originally started doing, have you found that in 02:21:44.655 --> 02:21:46.925 your, uh, in your realm there as you've been. 02:21:47.850 --> 02:21:49.140 No, I have not. 02:21:49.140 --> 02:21:52.530 And I've tried to as my, like my beacon, 02:21:52.590 --> 02:21:54.960 uh, do I love, what do I love this? 02:21:54.990 --> 02:21:56.640 And to not do this stuff I don't love 02:21:56.640 --> 02:21:58.170 doing and to stay focused on this stuff. 02:21:58.170 --> 02:22:02.910 I do love doing and that's um, yeah, that's 02:22:02.910 --> 02:22:05.670 partly out of, um, to do as much as possible. 02:22:05.670 --> 02:22:06.720 I focus on doing this stuff. 02:22:06.720 --> 02:22:07.110 I love. 02:22:07.110 --> 02:22:09.030 So it hasn't, uh, it, yeah, it, 02:22:09.750 --> 02:22:11.100 so what's to stop you from throwing in 02:22:11.100 --> 02:22:12.420 the towel the second you don't love it, 02:22:13.260 --> 02:22:13.560 that's it? 02:22:13.560 --> 02:22:13.890 Yeah. 02:22:13.980 --> 02:22:20.670 Um, I'm not sure how to, I'm not sure if there's 02:22:20.670 --> 02:22:22.890 a single answer a little bit might be, like I 02:22:22.890 --> 02:22:25.650 said, there was the, the feedback from the, 02:22:25.740 --> 02:22:27.870 my, the audience, the readers, the viewers, 02:22:27.870 --> 02:22:30.600 the listeners that say you, you know, thank 02:22:30.600 --> 02:22:32.520 you for whatever, some kind of validation or 02:22:32.520 --> 02:22:35.220 feedback or something that tells me that I'm 02:22:35.220 --> 02:22:36.480 having an impact on them. 02:22:36.960 --> 02:22:39.810 Uh, sometimes it's also, I have to remind 02:22:39.810 --> 02:22:41.730 myself, like, do a little bit of soul digging. 02:22:41.730 --> 02:22:42.360 It's all searching. 02:22:42.360 --> 02:22:43.650 And remember why I'm doing this. 02:22:43.650 --> 02:22:45.600 I'm not doing this because it's easy. 02:22:46.570 --> 02:22:48.570 I'm doing it because it's important or at 02:22:48.570 --> 02:22:49.560 least important to me. 02:22:49.590 --> 02:22:49.830 Right. 02:22:50.250 --> 02:22:53.760 Or it goes, it goes beyond me. 02:22:53.760 --> 02:22:55.800 And I think also, maybe it's about showing 02:22:55.800 --> 02:22:58.360 up in a PR, you know, uh, someone said, I, 02:22:58.360 --> 02:23:00.060 I, I can't remember whose quote this is, 02:23:00.060 --> 02:23:02.520 but, uh, amateurs do it when they feel like 02:23:02.520 --> 02:23:04.980 it professionals do it because it's their job. 02:23:05.160 --> 02:23:06.510 There's, there's a bit of that going on. 02:23:08.730 --> 02:23:10.920 It's eight o'clock it's it's this is not 02:23:10.920 --> 02:23:12.630 my case, but yeah, it's, I'm doing. 02:23:13.320 --> 02:23:15.090 I'm showing up for, for, to do this, uh, 02:23:15.509 --> 02:23:17.160 this profession, maybe also a commitment 02:23:17.160 --> 02:23:21.509 that I'm, that this commitment to, to, to 02:23:21.509 --> 02:23:24.029 be like, I love comfort. 02:23:24.240 --> 02:23:25.679 I'm also willing to be uncomfortable. 02:23:25.679 --> 02:23:28.740 So maybe my commitment to the mission is, 02:23:28.830 --> 02:23:31.080 uh, stronger than my commitment to be 02:23:31.410 --> 02:23:32.550 lazy or comfortable. 02:23:33.929 --> 02:23:34.019 Yeah. 02:23:34.679 --> 02:23:35.730 See, I don't like comfort. 02:23:36.390 --> 02:23:39.840 I don't think, I think we, no, I don't. 02:23:39.869 --> 02:23:42.210 I think we're naturally drawn towards comfort, 02:23:42.210 --> 02:23:43.740 but the second that you start feeling 02:23:43.740 --> 02:23:48.869 comfortable, that doesn't feel right with me. 02:23:49.740 --> 02:23:50.519 I think most 02:23:50.519 --> 02:23:52.500 people are like, yeah, well, I see. 02:23:52.509 --> 02:23:56.820 So it's the thing, like it's, it's I like, I 02:23:56.820 --> 02:23:57.570 am more looking for. 02:23:57.570 --> 02:23:58.800 That's a really interesting, um, I'm 02:23:58.800 --> 02:24:00.179 going to kind of play with that for a sec. 02:24:00.179 --> 02:24:01.500 I love being comfortable. 02:24:01.800 --> 02:24:03.300 Like if have someone says, do you want a bed 02:24:03.300 --> 02:24:05.130 of feathers or a bed of nails, I'll go with 02:24:05.130 --> 02:24:06.210 the bed of feathers. 02:24:06.750 --> 02:24:08.609 But sometimes there's a higher value, 02:24:08.609 --> 02:24:09.240 which is learning. 02:24:09.240 --> 02:24:10.410 Well, I'd like to experience, you 02:24:10.410 --> 02:24:12.060 know, I've seen these yogis, they lie 02:24:12.060 --> 02:24:12.840 in a bed of nails. 02:24:13.740 --> 02:24:15.509 Maybe I'd like to try that and just to see what 02:24:15.509 --> 02:24:19.769 it's like, or, um, I will sleep in, uh, in, in my 02:24:19.769 --> 02:24:21.900 car instead of going to the hotel because there's 02:24:21.900 --> 02:24:24.779 some other value that it's, whether it's to 02:24:24.779 --> 02:24:27.000 be a nature or cause I'm feeling cheap that day, 02:24:27.000 --> 02:24:29.250 or I want to push onto my destination or whatever. 02:24:30.090 --> 02:24:30.359 Yes. 02:24:30.390 --> 02:24:31.320 Comfort is not my main. 02:24:33.375 --> 02:24:35.925 You know, speaking to the bed thing, it's 02:24:35.925 --> 02:24:38.715 funny as a teenager, I had a water bed and 02:24:38.715 --> 02:24:40.935 that was when water beds were all fallen 02:24:40.935 --> 02:24:42.855 out of Vogue and nobody wanted them anymore. 02:24:42.855 --> 02:24:44.685 So you got to, I got a free waterbed from 02:24:44.685 --> 02:24:46.635 somewhere and they have a little heating 02:24:46.635 --> 02:24:48.525 pad at the bottom of it that keeps up the 02:24:48.525 --> 02:24:49.635 water inside the bed. 02:24:49.635 --> 02:24:51.105 So it's about body temperature. 02:24:51.435 --> 02:24:54.074 Otherwise your hot or cold thing is 02:24:54.314 --> 02:24:55.335 body temperature. 02:24:55.335 --> 02:24:57.585 If you're a degree higher or a degree lower, you're 02:24:57.585 --> 02:24:59.324 going to feel really hot or really cold. 02:24:59.925 --> 02:25:03.135 And a thing was always cold or hot. 02:25:03.135 --> 02:25:06.195 And it was just, it was never the idea of it as 02:25:06.195 --> 02:25:07.394 a kid was like, awesome. 02:25:07.394 --> 02:25:08.414 But the reality wasn't. 02:25:08.414 --> 02:25:10.095 So I drained the whole thing through the whole 02:25:10.095 --> 02:25:12.525 thing out my window, and then in a burning it. 02:25:12.765 --> 02:25:16.545 And, uh, I slept on the floor for, for years 02:25:16.635 --> 02:25:20.894 and I don't sleep on the floor anymore. 02:25:20.894 --> 02:25:29.144 But, um, the process of the, um, of seeking 02:25:29.175 --> 02:25:31.755 comfort, like I get that people work jobs 02:25:31.755 --> 02:25:36.644 because they seek, um, a lifestyle where they'll 02:25:36.644 --> 02:25:39.195 be able to sustain themselves comfortably. 02:25:39.375 --> 02:25:41.265 And I think that's a little bit different from 02:25:41.295 --> 02:25:43.125 comfort seeking nature. 02:25:43.574 --> 02:25:46.244 And if I find myself in a position where I'm kind 02:25:46.244 --> 02:25:48.585 of comfort seeking, I'll have to assess myself, 02:25:48.585 --> 02:25:49.335 like, why is that? 02:25:49.365 --> 02:25:50.135 Is it because I'm in. 02:25:51.270 --> 02:25:54.360 And I need to actually rest myself so that I 02:25:54.360 --> 02:25:55.440 can, I can get better. 02:25:55.440 --> 02:25:55.800 Okay. 02:25:55.800 --> 02:25:59.039 That's that now seems objective oriented. 02:25:59.430 --> 02:26:03.420 Otherwise I will seek the more difficult 02:26:03.420 --> 02:26:06.510 path or the more, the less comfortable path 02:26:06.539 --> 02:26:09.240 because I find otherwise I'm just not, I don't 02:26:09.240 --> 02:26:10.350 feel like I'm growing. 02:26:11.280 --> 02:26:14.789 Maybe it's a weird psychological thing, 02:26:14.789 --> 02:26:18.420 but the, the feeling of growth, uh, requires 02:26:18.420 --> 02:26:19.680 me to be outside of my comfort zone. 02:26:20.550 --> 02:26:21.870 And that's again, an interesting thing. 02:26:21.870 --> 02:26:24.060 Like it's, it's it, there are lots of people 02:26:24.060 --> 02:26:25.110 don't run marathons. 02:26:25.110 --> 02:26:26.160 They don't climb mountains. 02:26:26.160 --> 02:26:28.200 They don't swim across the, they 02:26:28.200 --> 02:26:30.210 don't do triathlons because it's easy. 02:26:30.210 --> 02:26:32.880 It's a lot easier to eat potato chips and drink 02:26:32.880 --> 02:26:37.920 beer and pizza, but some people do it anyway. 02:26:38.039 --> 02:26:39.060 And I think there's another thing 02:26:39.060 --> 02:26:40.890 that separates what's separate. 02:26:40.920 --> 02:26:42.630 What separates the people who do from 02:26:42.630 --> 02:26:43.410 the people who don't. 02:26:45.870 --> 02:26:46.800 That's an interesting one. 02:26:46.800 --> 02:26:47.640 They don't have the answer. 02:26:47.640 --> 02:26:47.850 Yeah. 02:26:48.720 --> 02:26:50.730 I honestly, I think it's the people who 02:26:50.730 --> 02:26:52.740 will actually write it down and think 02:26:52.740 --> 02:26:54.630 themselves through and take a look at how the 02:26:54.630 --> 02:26:55.560 next step might be. 02:26:55.620 --> 02:26:58.730 So when you talk about having a, uh, it's, uh, 02:26:58.789 --> 02:27:03.210 the Travis Bader, uh, podcast, uh, the doer 02:27:03.270 --> 02:27:04.980 we'll take that next step and start saying, 02:27:05.070 --> 02:27:06.270 what does that look like? 02:27:06.630 --> 02:27:10.620 Um, and start trying to path, plot that 02:27:10.620 --> 02:27:12.990 path out to see if the end result is desired. 02:27:13.785 --> 02:27:15.375 I mean, there's no shortage of good 02:27:15.375 --> 02:27:16.215 ideas out there. 02:27:16.215 --> 02:27:18.494 You go to any bar and sit around and listening 02:27:18.494 --> 02:27:19.994 to all the great ideas that people have. 02:27:19.994 --> 02:27:22.425 And I remember that as a teenager and 02:27:22.425 --> 02:27:23.835 early twenties, and we're sitting in the 02:27:23.835 --> 02:27:25.785 bar and people say, I want to do this, 02:27:25.785 --> 02:27:26.865 or I want to do that. 02:27:26.894 --> 02:27:30.285 And at the time I take out my Palm pilot either 02:27:30.554 --> 02:27:34.185 I'd have a pen and paper around until, um, uh, my 02:27:34.185 --> 02:27:37.095 girlfriend at the time now wife, uh, her sister 02:27:37.095 --> 02:27:41.685 gave me a Palm pilot and I'd mark all of these 02:27:41.685 --> 02:27:43.965 things down and then I'd ask them, are you going 02:27:43.965 --> 02:27:44.804 to do anything with that? 02:27:45.224 --> 02:27:46.035 That was a great idea. 02:27:46.064 --> 02:27:47.085 Are you going to do anything with it? 02:27:47.085 --> 02:27:48.375 Or if I came up with something, I write it 02:27:48.375 --> 02:27:49.574 on down the next day. 02:27:49.935 --> 02:27:52.244 When you wake up, you take a look, do 02:27:52.244 --> 02:27:54.164 they still look like good ideas now that 02:27:54.164 --> 02:27:56.234 we're not in the dim dark bar drinking? 02:27:56.654 --> 02:27:58.755 And if so, which one do I want to start 02:27:58.755 --> 02:27:59.654 working on first? 02:27:59.894 --> 02:28:03.855 And that was, I think that's kind 02:28:03.855 --> 02:28:05.865 of what separates most of the doers 02:28:06.074 --> 02:28:07.215 and the dreamers is. 02:28:07.244 --> 02:28:08.804 Who's going to take that next step. 02:28:10.814 --> 02:28:11.595 It's so interesting. 02:28:11.715 --> 02:28:13.394 It's topical for me personally, I was 02:28:13.695 --> 02:28:17.535 with my, with my wife, uh, kind of thought 02:28:17.535 --> 02:28:18.404 thought bubble. 02:28:18.404 --> 02:28:19.785 Like if you, if you have, if you say you 02:28:19.785 --> 02:28:22.244 want to do something and you haven't acted 02:28:22.244 --> 02:28:25.904 on it within timeframe, X, I'm going to say, you 02:28:25.904 --> 02:28:28.574 know, within say three weeks, you probably don't 02:28:28.574 --> 02:28:29.715 really want to do it. 02:28:29.775 --> 02:28:31.875 Like, if, if something, if you say it's more 02:28:31.875 --> 02:28:34.005 of a wish or wouldn't it be nice if, but 02:28:34.005 --> 02:28:35.175 it's not a deep desire. 02:28:35.925 --> 02:28:37.935 I I'm playing with that concept because I know 02:28:37.935 --> 02:28:40.155 for myself, my deep desires, I usually get 02:28:40.155 --> 02:28:43.635 them done or, or usually start work on them, work, 02:28:43.635 --> 02:28:45.585 achieving them instantly. 02:28:46.275 --> 02:28:47.775 And so I'm now using the, if you haven't, 02:28:48.045 --> 02:28:50.205 if you haven't taken action on this in three 02:28:50.205 --> 02:28:52.935 weeks, you probably don't really want to do it 02:28:52.935 --> 02:28:53.535 that much. 02:28:54.675 --> 02:28:56.415 That's such an easy way to declutter too. 02:28:56.415 --> 02:28:56.805 Isn't it? 02:28:57.525 --> 02:28:58.275 And it's yeah. 02:28:58.335 --> 02:28:58.665 Yeah. 02:28:59.025 --> 02:29:00.465 And I like your idea to look and look at it. 02:29:00.465 --> 02:29:01.755 The light look at your ideas in 02:29:01.755 --> 02:29:02.475 the light of day. 02:29:03.045 --> 02:29:03.285 Are they? 02:29:05.235 --> 02:29:06.075 Yeah, yeah. 02:29:06.795 --> 02:29:07.065 Yeah. 02:29:07.095 --> 02:29:09.825 I don't think there are lazy people really, for 02:29:09.825 --> 02:29:12.075 the most part, I think they're unmotivated 02:29:12.075 --> 02:29:14.265 people, but I don't really think people 02:29:14.265 --> 02:29:16.515 are inherently lazy. 02:29:16.575 --> 02:29:17.175 Well, I don't know. 02:29:17.175 --> 02:29:19.695 You look at some kid who's, uh, not wanting 02:29:19.695 --> 02:29:21.735 to do, to do their schoolwork, but man, 02:29:21.735 --> 02:29:23.415 they sure want to play video games all day. 02:29:23.805 --> 02:29:25.995 Well, maybe they're motivated to play 02:29:25.995 --> 02:29:27.675 video games, meet. 02:29:27.705 --> 02:29:30.435 Maybe they're actually doing something they're, 02:29:30.435 --> 02:29:32.175 they're doing something with their time. 02:29:32.475 --> 02:29:35.235 So if there's a way to, uh, speak to what 02:29:35.235 --> 02:29:38.925 motivates an individual and from your, and I 02:29:38.925 --> 02:29:41.085 perspective, if we take a look at what it is 02:29:41.085 --> 02:29:43.485 that drives us or what motivates us to, in 02:29:43.485 --> 02:29:46.125 order to take the next step, um, when we're 02:29:46.185 --> 02:29:48.525 feeling lazy and I got my, for those that are 02:29:48.525 --> 02:29:50.925 listening and doing my air brackets here, just 02:29:50.925 --> 02:29:52.665 find out why is it? 02:29:52.665 --> 02:29:54.675 Because it just doesn't properly motivate 02:29:54.675 --> 02:29:56.025 you at the time, because the second he 02:29:56.025 --> 02:29:58.095 light that spark and he finds something 02:29:58.095 --> 02:29:58.935 that motivates you. 02:29:59.385 --> 02:29:59.475 Okay. 02:30:00.644 --> 02:30:03.675 You're on it and you're not, you're not sleeping. 02:30:03.705 --> 02:30:05.744 He might not be eating, just working 02:30:05.744 --> 02:30:06.255 on these things. 02:30:06.255 --> 02:30:08.835 I find anyways, I remember when I was 02:30:08.835 --> 02:30:10.965 learning the machining and working as a 02:30:10.965 --> 02:30:14.804 gunsmithing and, uh, she was my fiance at the 02:30:14.804 --> 02:30:16.025 time now wife, right. 02:30:16.064 --> 02:30:18.404 Girlfriend, fiance, wife, and, uh, would 02:30:18.494 --> 02:30:21.585 come into the shop and she had bring me lunch. 02:30:21.884 --> 02:30:22.335 Okay. 02:30:22.335 --> 02:30:24.404 And I put it on the side and she's 02:30:24.404 --> 02:30:25.545 a chef by trade. 02:30:25.545 --> 02:30:26.505 So it was probably something really 02:30:26.505 --> 02:30:28.005 good, but I'm working on this and okay. 02:30:28.005 --> 02:30:29.025 I go over and I eat it. 02:30:29.025 --> 02:30:31.515 And next thing I know there she is. 02:30:31.515 --> 02:30:32.445 She's bringing me dinner. 02:30:32.505 --> 02:30:33.175 Oh, okay. 02:30:33.765 --> 02:30:34.724 Still working away. 02:30:34.724 --> 02:30:35.835 And then she comes in and said, okay, 02:30:35.835 --> 02:30:36.765 I'm going to bed now. 02:30:37.154 --> 02:30:37.755 Okay. 02:30:37.814 --> 02:30:38.654 I'm still working away. 02:30:38.654 --> 02:30:41.265 And next morning would come around and be 02:30:41.265 --> 02:30:43.935 like, Jesus, three, four o'clock in the morning. 02:30:43.935 --> 02:30:44.984 I better get some sleep. 02:30:45.195 --> 02:30:48.105 But when you're motivated, that's how a 02:30:48.105 --> 02:30:49.605 person tends to respond. 02:30:49.755 --> 02:30:52.785 Hopefully people have better boundaries 02:30:53.025 --> 02:30:54.974 and control over that motivation 02:30:54.974 --> 02:30:55.634 when they do it. 02:30:55.634 --> 02:30:58.935 But, um, and that's coming from somebody 02:30:58.935 --> 02:31:01.664 who like I got straight F's in grade seven. 02:31:02.054 --> 02:31:05.234 I got kicked out of when I went to five 02:31:05.234 --> 02:31:06.164 different high schools. 02:31:06.644 --> 02:31:10.634 Um, school never motivated me. 02:31:11.234 --> 02:31:12.795 It doesn't mean I was a lazy person. 02:31:13.154 --> 02:31:15.644 So I don't think from that perspective of my 02:31:15.644 --> 02:31:20.564 life perspective, I don't think that, um, people 02:31:20.564 --> 02:31:24.314 tend to be on average, lazy, just undermining. 02:31:25.815 --> 02:31:26.285 And I 02:31:26.285 --> 02:31:28.395 that's a very, again, so much, you've said 02:31:28.395 --> 02:31:30.135 so much in that, in that anecdote, in that 02:31:30.135 --> 02:31:31.995 story, that, that I would love to dive into it. 02:31:31.995 --> 02:31:33.375 I'm just going to share one thing though, that I 02:31:33.375 --> 02:31:38.805 took to, to like add to that, that alignment, the 02:31:38.805 --> 02:31:42.845 word alignment is what's coming is that when we, 02:31:42.885 --> 02:31:44.985 when that time with your, with your then girlfriend 02:31:44.985 --> 02:31:47.145 and she's, she's, she's bought into your project, 02:31:47.145 --> 02:31:48.585 whatever it was, you were doing, you were doing 02:31:48.585 --> 02:31:51.465 your thing and you know, the law of attraction, 02:31:51.465 --> 02:31:53.115 she was helping you and supporting you, 02:31:53.115 --> 02:31:54.655 brought you dinner and didn't have any 02:31:58.125 --> 02:32:00.735 whatever she was, she was fully on board and you 02:32:00.735 --> 02:32:02.775 were staying up to three and w we have energy. 02:32:02.775 --> 02:32:05.115 Like the, when we, I believe when we 02:32:05.115 --> 02:32:08.745 are aligned, the universe helps us. 02:32:08.955 --> 02:32:12.045 Then we have energy and resources and attract 02:32:12.045 --> 02:32:14.025 people and good thing, miracles, basically, 02:32:14.025 --> 02:32:15.705 uh, when we're aligned, getting into the 02:32:15.705 --> 02:32:17.175 zone, I think what you talked about to me, 02:32:17.385 --> 02:32:19.185 it's like that flow. 02:32:19.185 --> 02:32:19.905 Yeah, absolutely. 02:32:19.905 --> 02:32:21.585 A state of flow of, of being in the zone. 02:32:22.395 --> 02:32:22.725 Amen. 02:32:23.175 --> 02:32:23.505 Hello. 02:32:24.465 --> 02:32:26.175 And people talk about the, the law of 02:32:26.175 --> 02:32:28.595 attraction, or do we live in the matrix? 02:32:28.645 --> 02:32:32.115 We create our own kind of destiny and to a 02:32:32.115 --> 02:32:36.555 degree perhaps, but I think there's a, uh, a 02:32:36.555 --> 02:32:38.865 natural proclivity of the brain to be able to 02:32:38.865 --> 02:32:41.325 reform things that have happened so that you can 02:32:41.325 --> 02:32:44.205 look back and say this happened because, right. 02:32:44.655 --> 02:32:50.475 So, um, I think we will naturally either a find 02:32:50.475 --> 02:32:52.455 ourselves in situations where we attract certain. 02:32:53.370 --> 02:32:58.080 Or we ended up writing them off or B um, we will 02:32:58.080 --> 02:32:59.850 turn around afterwards or the benefit of 02:32:59.850 --> 02:33:02.850 hindsight and say, see, that's why it happened 02:33:02.850 --> 02:33:04.950 because ABC and D, because it's always 02:33:04.950 --> 02:33:07.500 easy to be able to, to reframe these things. 02:33:08.100 --> 02:33:08.460 It's. 02:33:08.460 --> 02:33:10.860 Um, but that's a totally different tangent 02:33:11.400 --> 02:33:14.430 and again, I've yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's 02:33:14.430 --> 02:33:16.440 one that I always no surprise, totally 02:33:16.440 --> 02:33:18.480 agree with that we have incredible minds that 02:33:18.480 --> 02:33:21.650 are able to rebuild our narrative and, and, 02:33:21.650 --> 02:33:24.750 and, uh, I think it's an important, uh, if we can 02:33:24.750 --> 02:33:27.420 master that, um, it can be an important skill. 02:33:29.460 --> 02:33:29.910 Yeah. 02:33:30.090 --> 02:33:31.620 I definitely think so. 02:33:31.800 --> 02:33:33.120 Do you work towards mastering that 02:33:35.190 --> 02:33:37.200 I'm actually going a little bit, the other 02:33:37.200 --> 02:33:40.890 way at the moment in, in get to put it simply put 02:33:40.920 --> 02:33:46.590 taking out because, and, and like, uh, someone 02:33:46.590 --> 02:33:48.600 did something because, well, I don't know the, 02:33:48.600 --> 02:33:50.490 because there's no way to actually know that 02:33:50.490 --> 02:33:53.700 because they might say that their motivation was 02:33:53.700 --> 02:33:56.250 X, Y, or Z, but there's no way to actually verify 02:33:56.250 --> 02:33:58.140 that, but we can stick. 02:33:58.200 --> 02:34:01.770 I it's a more factual so-and-so yelled at 02:34:01.770 --> 02:34:03.900 someone like, let's say dad yells at sign. 02:34:03.900 --> 02:34:04.230 Okay. 02:34:04.230 --> 02:34:06.510 Well, there's a man making loud noises 02:34:06.510 --> 02:34:08.610 with his mouth in the presence of this 02:34:08.700 --> 02:34:11.640 young, young kid that is yelling at his son 02:34:11.640 --> 02:34:13.290 because, well, there's a. 02:34:14.925 --> 02:34:17.055 1,000,001 potential reasons because of 02:34:17.055 --> 02:34:17.955 some childhood thing. 02:34:17.955 --> 02:34:19.035 Cause he had a bad day at work. 02:34:19.035 --> 02:34:21.735 Cause the son did something the father 02:34:21.735 --> 02:34:22.665 thinks deserves rebuke. 02:34:22.665 --> 02:34:25.665 You can, you can, you can write a story, basically. 02:34:25.665 --> 02:34:26.715 We're trying to get what I'm saying, get it. 02:34:26.805 --> 02:34:29.985 Um, I'm trying to eliminate the story, 02:34:30.945 --> 02:34:35.055 eliminate the narrative as much as, uh, interest 02:34:35.055 --> 02:34:36.255 as much as practicable. 02:34:37.005 --> 02:34:38.745 So you eliminate the story. 02:34:39.075 --> 02:34:39.405 Yeah. 02:34:39.765 --> 02:34:43.815 And that, that will help deal with situations 02:34:43.815 --> 02:34:46.365 as they come up and help help you reframe 02:34:46.815 --> 02:34:49.245 the situation to a more action reaction. 02:34:49.305 --> 02:34:50.955 And if I didn't like the reaction, then 02:34:50.955 --> 02:34:51.855 I just change it. 02:34:52.245 --> 02:34:52.575 Yeah. 02:34:52.665 --> 02:34:53.595 I would say response. 02:34:53.595 --> 02:34:53.895 Yeah. 02:34:54.315 --> 02:34:54.615 Okay. 02:34:54.615 --> 02:34:55.485 Action response. 02:34:56.355 --> 02:34:58.365 So example, when I ran as a political 02:34:58.365 --> 02:35:00.225 candidate, I thought there was someone who I 02:35:00.225 --> 02:35:01.605 thought was on my team. 02:35:01.995 --> 02:35:03.405 I thought they would be on my team and I kept 02:35:03.405 --> 02:35:05.265 making a story that they were trying to undermine 02:35:05.265 --> 02:35:07.275 me and oh, they're doing this because 02:35:07.335 --> 02:35:08.415 I invented reasons. 02:35:09.255 --> 02:35:13.185 And later years later, actually I took away this 02:35:13.185 --> 02:35:15.495 story and just realized, saw it from a completely 02:35:15.495 --> 02:35:16.365 different point of view. 02:35:17.115 --> 02:35:21.105 And if I had remained factual and so-and-so 02:35:21.105 --> 02:35:24.555 is doing such and trying to essentially, 02:35:24.555 --> 02:35:26.295 I invented a reason, I invented it because 02:35:26.295 --> 02:35:27.255 to connect the dots. 02:35:27.615 --> 02:35:29.415 And I think now in hindsight I was wrong. 02:35:30.135 --> 02:35:35.925 And um, by I think the ability to create 02:35:35.925 --> 02:35:38.475 a story and create a narrative is, is a very 02:35:38.475 --> 02:35:41.655 powerful thing, but like power, it can be used. 02:35:42.390 --> 02:35:44.010 For stuff that makes us happy and stuff that 02:35:44.010 --> 02:35:44.700 makes us miserable. 02:35:44.700 --> 02:35:45.960 So you got to, it's got it's the power to 02:35:45.960 --> 02:35:47.970 wield with, with care. 02:35:48.630 --> 02:35:49.080 Hm. 02:35:49.860 --> 02:35:52.530 Yo I, I, a hundred percent believe we 02:35:52.530 --> 02:35:53.580 create our own lives. 02:35:53.580 --> 02:35:55.800 We are 100% responsible for everything 02:35:55.800 --> 02:35:56.640 that happens to us. 02:35:57.270 --> 02:36:00.150 And that's kinda the key to happiness, right? 02:36:00.150 --> 02:36:01.740 Like if, if everything that's happening to 02:36:01.740 --> 02:36:04.530 you is because of that, because, because that 02:36:04.530 --> 02:36:06.990 person's nasty or because the government did 02:36:06.990 --> 02:36:09.210 this and it ties into firearms owners, right? 02:36:09.510 --> 02:36:12.690 Because ABC and D you know, it's completely 02:36:12.690 --> 02:36:15.840 within anyone's power to be able to make that 02:36:15.840 --> 02:36:16.920 change for themselves. 02:36:17.130 --> 02:36:19.770 Now, whether that's massive political change. 02:36:19.800 --> 02:36:21.960 So that now firearms owners are permitted to 02:36:21.960 --> 02:36:23.820 have all these firearms that were no longer, 02:36:24.300 --> 02:36:27.300 uh, accepted due to the OIC, or I don't 02:36:27.300 --> 02:36:29.400 know, move to a country where you can have it. 02:36:29.790 --> 02:36:32.160 I mean, those are very acceptable options. 02:36:32.580 --> 02:36:34.440 One's going to be a lot easier than the other, 02:36:35.310 --> 02:36:39.150 but we 100% control everything that happens 02:36:39.150 --> 02:36:41.010 to us and what we allow to happen to us. 02:36:41.220 --> 02:36:42.450 And sometimes it's difficult. 02:36:42.480 --> 02:36:47.550 I find to get your head out of the, what you were 02:36:47.550 --> 02:36:49.320 saying before, sort of the victim mentality, 02:36:49.320 --> 02:36:52.890 that things are happening because, and sort of 02:36:52.920 --> 02:36:54.420 elevate it to, to that. 02:36:54.870 --> 02:36:55.200 So that's 02:36:55.200 --> 02:36:55.710 interesting. 02:36:56.070 --> 02:36:57.300 And I'm again, no surprise are, I'm 02:36:57.310 --> 02:36:58.140 agreeing with what you're saying. 02:36:58.140 --> 02:37:00.180 Like it's, it's my, my soul brother here. 02:37:01.110 --> 02:37:03.630 I'm even looking at the it's the two us also. 02:37:04.545 --> 02:37:07.095 Uh, the, in the victim mindset in the gun 02:37:07.095 --> 02:37:08.805 community, nice segue by bringing you back 02:37:08.805 --> 02:37:11.475 to guns, like Trudeau is doing this to us, 02:37:11.475 --> 02:37:13.665 or the liberals are doing this to us. 02:37:14.175 --> 02:37:15.825 And I would say that's where the it's those last 02:37:15.825 --> 02:37:16.815 two words with a victim. 02:37:16.815 --> 02:37:18.645 And whether you, where you reveal your mic, 02:37:18.685 --> 02:37:20.085 where the person, the speaker would 02:37:20.085 --> 02:37:23.715 reveal their victim mindset, so-and-so 02:37:24.315 --> 02:37:26.355 said such and such or so-and-so is working 02:37:26.355 --> 02:37:27.495 towards such and such. 02:37:28.065 --> 02:37:30.105 And the beauty of being a human being 02:37:30.105 --> 02:37:32.055 on this planet at this time is you get to 02:37:32.055 --> 02:37:34.155 choose your response. 02:37:34.485 --> 02:37:36.945 So he's not doing it to you. 02:37:36.945 --> 02:37:39.465 They're not doing it to you. 02:37:40.685 --> 02:37:43.125 You, they are, they are doing what they are 02:37:43.125 --> 02:37:45.555 doing and you get to do whatever the heck you 02:37:45.555 --> 02:37:46.035 want. 02:37:46.275 --> 02:37:47.805 That is the ultimate power. 02:37:47.835 --> 02:37:49.155 Do you know who Victor Frankel is? 02:37:50.265 --> 02:37:51.945 So the man's search for meaning 02:37:52.155 --> 02:37:52.785 you got it. 02:37:52.815 --> 02:37:54.585 So what happened to him? 02:37:56.475 --> 02:37:58.605 He was put in concentration camps, 02:37:58.605 --> 02:38:01.185 friends, and family, all around them or dying 02:38:01.185 --> 02:38:06.735 under the, uh, uh, Nazi regime and, uh, viewing 02:38:06.765 --> 02:38:08.355 atrocities everywhere. 02:38:08.355 --> 02:38:08.715 Right? 02:38:09.525 --> 02:38:12.945 And he approached this from an analytical 02:38:12.945 --> 02:38:15.465 perspective and he says, well, why is 02:38:15.495 --> 02:38:17.535 this person who's been stripped down naked, 02:38:17.535 --> 02:38:21.255 starved, and beaten and treated poorly? 02:38:21.585 --> 02:38:21.975 Why is. 02:38:23.310 --> 02:38:25.080 Smiling at the moment, or why is he actually 02:38:25.080 --> 02:38:26.970 laughing where this person beside them, 02:38:26.970 --> 02:38:28.470 they can't even get out of their bed. 02:38:28.590 --> 02:38:30.330 They're so beside themselves, right. 02:38:30.690 --> 02:38:32.790 They're experiencing the exact same 02:38:32.850 --> 02:38:36.030 situation, but how is that person finding 02:38:36.210 --> 02:38:40.020 joy in this otherwise joyless situation? 02:38:40.290 --> 02:38:42.630 And of course his famous book man's search for 02:38:42.630 --> 02:38:45.360 meaning and out of all of this stuff that he went 02:38:45.360 --> 02:38:49.380 through in a very kind of pragmatic, analytical 02:38:49.380 --> 02:38:50.970 approach of looking at all of these things, 02:38:51.390 --> 02:38:54.090 he came out saying, you know, what do we 02:38:54.090 --> 02:38:56.610 actually have that we can affect in our own life? 02:38:56.640 --> 02:38:59.820 And I think his quote was the one thing that you 02:38:59.850 --> 02:39:02.880 can't take for me is a way I choose to respond 02:39:02.880 --> 02:39:03.690 to what you do to me. 02:39:03.750 --> 02:39:05.850 The last of life's great freedoms is one's 02:39:05.850 --> 02:39:09.060 ability to choose our own attitude in any 02:39:09.060 --> 02:39:12.270 given situation or any given circumstance one 02:39:12.270 --> 02:39:12.870 or the other there. 02:39:13.260 --> 02:39:16.620 Um, but really at the end of the day, that 02:39:16.620 --> 02:39:17.490 is the last thing. 02:39:17.490 --> 02:39:20.250 When you are stripped and everything taken 02:39:20.250 --> 02:39:23.160 from you, and you've got zero control over what 02:39:23.160 --> 02:39:24.480 you have around you. 02:39:24.750 --> 02:39:26.610 And this applies to the firearms community. 02:39:26.940 --> 02:39:29.010 When they start feeling like things are outside 02:39:29.010 --> 02:39:31.110 the locus of their control, they have the 02:39:31.110 --> 02:39:35.370 ability and we all have the ability to affect 02:39:35.370 --> 02:39:37.470 how we choose to respond. 02:39:38.130 --> 02:39:40.980 And it's, it's rather empowering. 02:39:41.640 --> 02:39:43.530 And I think that's would be one thing that 02:39:43.950 --> 02:39:47.070 the community could probably as a whole, uh, 02:39:47.400 --> 02:39:50.880 ponder and look at ways that they can respond, 02:39:50.880 --> 02:39:51.360 that would benefit. 02:39:52.065 --> 02:39:55.395 Personally and the community in general. 02:39:57.725 --> 02:39:57.955 Yeah. 02:39:58.075 --> 02:39:59.355 And it's, I didn't realize, I didn't 02:39:59.355 --> 02:40:00.875 know that quote from, from Franklin. 02:40:00.875 --> 02:40:04.095 I read that, uh, I think the F it, the 02:40:04.095 --> 02:40:05.625 first time it must've been high school. 02:40:05.655 --> 02:40:07.875 Um, but it's a remarried, isn't very powerful 02:40:07.875 --> 02:40:11.295 book and I, yeah, if we cannot always, we 02:40:11.295 --> 02:40:13.815 can mostly not control our circumstances. 02:40:14.415 --> 02:40:18.315 We can certainly control our response 02:40:18.315 --> 02:40:21.195 or shape our response to our circumstances. 02:40:21.945 --> 02:40:24.135 And this as a, as a new father, I 02:40:24.135 --> 02:40:24.885 get this every day. 02:40:24.885 --> 02:40:25.215 Yeah. 02:40:25.455 --> 02:40:26.415 I got a screaming kid. 02:40:27.015 --> 02:40:29.685 I can, and I can still be happy. 02:40:29.685 --> 02:40:31.875 Or I got a, I got a kid who woke me up 02:40:31.875 --> 02:40:32.865 five times last night. 02:40:32.865 --> 02:40:34.635 I can be, oh, you know, I'm tired and 02:40:34.635 --> 02:40:37.665 sleepy, or I can, I can still be kind and 02:40:37.665 --> 02:40:39.495 loving and energetic, even though I didn't 02:40:39.495 --> 02:40:40.425 sleep much last night. 02:40:40.545 --> 02:40:41.385 Yeah, totally. 02:40:42.165 --> 02:40:42.525 Yeah. 02:40:42.645 --> 02:40:43.755 People would wake up in the morning. 02:40:43.755 --> 02:40:44.715 Well, I'm grumpy. 02:40:44.775 --> 02:40:45.225 Why? 02:40:45.525 --> 02:40:48.525 Well, because I'm tired and well, cause 02:40:48.525 --> 02:40:48.975 it's the morning. 02:40:48.975 --> 02:40:50.265 I'm always grumpy in the mornings. 02:40:51.015 --> 02:40:54.375 Um, and it's not a way to go through like why. 02:40:54.375 --> 02:40:54.705 Right. 02:40:54.885 --> 02:40:55.515 I get it. 02:40:55.545 --> 02:40:57.495 You got, it's hard to break out of these 02:40:57.525 --> 02:40:59.775 systems and routines that we, we tend to get 02:40:59.775 --> 02:41:03.885 into, I guess, you know, again, getting off topic 02:41:03.885 --> 02:41:06.225 a bit, but we, we choose our reality and then 02:41:06.225 --> 02:41:07.305 we make our reality. 02:41:07.765 --> 02:41:10.425 So you choose at the end of the day. 02:41:10.455 --> 02:41:11.625 Do you want to be happy? 02:41:12.135 --> 02:41:13.455 That's a very simple question. 02:41:14.295 --> 02:41:15.705 Do you want to be happy? 02:41:16.245 --> 02:41:17.895 And the answer should be. 02:41:18.795 --> 02:41:19.725 I think for most people. 02:41:19.725 --> 02:41:20.205 Yes. 02:41:20.595 --> 02:41:21.165 Not, yes. 02:41:21.165 --> 02:41:23.295 And or if this happens, it's a simple one. 02:41:23.355 --> 02:41:23.685 Yes. 02:41:24.025 --> 02:41:24.855 I'd like to be happy. 02:41:26.355 --> 02:41:27.105 Are you happy? 02:41:27.945 --> 02:41:31.455 And then introspectively take a look at that. 02:41:31.455 --> 02:41:32.475 If the answer's no. 02:41:32.925 --> 02:41:38.055 Then what is it in your response that you 02:41:38.055 --> 02:41:40.875 can change an order to be happy about that? 02:41:41.895 --> 02:41:43.065 I don't know how that ties into the 02:41:43.065 --> 02:41:44.375 gun world, but, um, 02:41:46.515 --> 02:41:48.405 I think it ties, I'm going to try, attempt to 02:41:48.405 --> 02:41:51.435 link here that it ties into what w something 02:41:51.435 --> 02:41:55.335 that we believe or choose to believe that 02:41:55.635 --> 02:41:59.025 we choose to be a force for I'll call it good, 02:41:59.055 --> 02:42:01.065 positive, joy, happiness. 02:42:01.065 --> 02:42:03.405 We want to be on that side of the equation 02:42:03.405 --> 02:42:05.685 rather than on the blaming and complaining 02:42:05.685 --> 02:42:07.905 and whining and that side of the equation. 02:42:08.295 --> 02:42:08.565 Yeah. 02:42:08.595 --> 02:42:13.275 I think also it's we were part of it is 02:42:13.275 --> 02:42:15.735 maybe in response to what we see in the 02:42:15.735 --> 02:42:17.115 gun world that we see. 02:42:17.415 --> 02:42:19.545 There's a lot of negativity and nastiness, 02:42:19.605 --> 02:42:22.635 and I'm including myself in that I've 02:42:22.635 --> 02:42:23.175 been there, done. 02:42:23.175 --> 02:42:25.965 That probably will again, but I, I like it better 02:42:26.175 --> 02:42:29.895 when I'm doing the fun, joyful building up. 02:42:30.615 --> 02:42:31.965 So I think it relates to the gun world 02:42:31.965 --> 02:42:34.065 by, by both what we, what we are doing as. 02:42:34.860 --> 02:42:37.500 Leaders or, or forces in the gun world and 02:42:37.500 --> 02:42:40.080 perhaps what, um, we're calling out a little bit, 02:42:40.080 --> 02:42:42.300 our, our, our colleagues and peers who aren't. 02:42:42.990 --> 02:42:44.040 Yeah, I like that. 02:42:44.790 --> 02:42:46.680 You know, and as well, I guess when you, when 02:42:46.680 --> 02:42:49.290 you look at the, because the, you were talking 02:42:49.290 --> 02:42:52.710 about wow, for those taking the firearms, 02:42:52.710 --> 02:42:56.460 because he doesn't like me feel they're liberals, 02:42:56.670 --> 02:42:58.860 uh, they're ABCD. 02:42:59.280 --> 02:43:00.840 Well, maybe it's just because they want to 02:43:00.840 --> 02:43:03.240 get elected again, and they can use this 02:43:03.240 --> 02:43:06.180 as sort of a divisive platform, so they can 02:43:06.180 --> 02:43:08.190 paint their opponent into a certain position. 02:43:08.490 --> 02:43:09.690 And they just think it would be politically 02:43:09.690 --> 02:43:11.940 advantageous and they could care less about 02:43:11.940 --> 02:43:13.530 your firearms if you own them or not, 02:43:13.530 --> 02:43:15.330 because there's more than enough to be able 02:43:15.330 --> 02:43:17.760 to look at a statistic sheet is same as URI. 02:43:18.660 --> 02:43:18.840 It 02:43:18.840 --> 02:43:21.420 could be, it could be simple electoral, 02:43:21.420 --> 02:43:22.560 electoral politics. 02:43:22.740 --> 02:43:24.390 It could be nothing to do with principals or, 02:43:25.530 --> 02:43:26.810 uh, maybe. 02:43:26.820 --> 02:43:28.290 But does that change it for people how they 02:43:28.290 --> 02:43:29.310 want to approach now? 02:43:29.640 --> 02:43:31.500 Like if they look at it and just say, well, 02:43:31.590 --> 02:43:33.690 maybe, maybe all the passion that I have 02:43:33.690 --> 02:43:38.550 against it against them is misplaced where I 02:43:38.550 --> 02:43:40.470 would rather, like, if they want more votes, 02:43:40.470 --> 02:43:41.820 there's other ways they can achieve that. 02:43:41.940 --> 02:43:43.470 Maybe we just approach this from a different 02:43:43.470 --> 02:43:46.080 angle and show them how they can get garner 02:43:46.080 --> 02:43:47.070 more, more votes. 02:43:47.970 --> 02:43:49.860 And that's a really, again, that also hits 02:43:49.860 --> 02:43:51.900 close to home because for, for several months, 02:43:51.900 --> 02:43:54.240 maybe even a couple of years around bill C 71, 02:43:54.600 --> 02:43:57.480 I would look at my own page and it was very. 02:43:58.185 --> 02:44:02.205 It was like a liberal, every, every headline 02:44:02.205 --> 02:44:04.155 had liberal or Trudeau or gun ban or something. 02:44:04.155 --> 02:44:07.155 It was like, wait, am I, am I, I spending so 02:44:07.155 --> 02:44:10.035 much energy criticizing the other team instead 02:44:10.035 --> 02:44:11.815 of talking about the joys of my team. 02:44:11.815 --> 02:44:13.035 And he, so I didn't like didn't like that. 02:44:13.035 --> 02:44:15.825 And I, I don't actually let me rephrase that. 02:44:15.975 --> 02:44:18.825 I'm looking for a way to, to be that 02:44:18.825 --> 02:44:19.935 force for positivity. 02:44:19.965 --> 02:44:22.245 And we have this reality, this political reality, 02:44:22.245 --> 02:44:24.165 we have this policy reality at the moment. 02:44:24.855 --> 02:44:28.665 How do we, uh, how do I personalize it? 02:44:28.665 --> 02:44:30.435 How do I be a force for positivity? 02:44:30.435 --> 02:44:31.545 What's positive here. 02:44:32.055 --> 02:44:35.445 And I think, I think the clue might be in the 02:44:35.445 --> 02:44:39.885 mindset in remembering that we have the power 02:44:40.425 --> 02:44:46.005 to make or break any policy that politicians 02:44:46.005 --> 02:44:47.745 and regulators, they can do whatever they want. 02:44:48.255 --> 02:44:50.445 We have the power to say yes or no, because 02:44:50.445 --> 02:44:53.385 we're the ones like, if we all just say no, 02:44:53.385 --> 02:44:54.135 well, we break that. 02:44:54.165 --> 02:44:56.085 We break the firearm program overnight. 02:44:57.255 --> 02:44:58.425 Like it's, it's that easy. 02:44:58.815 --> 02:45:00.615 Most people say, yes, it really is. 02:45:00.645 --> 02:45:04.005 If we choose to say no, it's done it collapses. 02:45:05.535 --> 02:45:05.805 Yeah. 02:45:05.835 --> 02:45:06.585 Very good point. 02:45:08.175 --> 02:45:08.505 Yeah. 02:45:09.525 --> 02:45:10.755 Just say, no, I like that a lot. 02:45:10.935 --> 02:45:13.275 You know, there, there are the things that are 02:45:13.275 --> 02:45:17.495 on the, on the, uh, back of my head that I figured 02:45:17.495 --> 02:45:18.615 I could throw it, but it's going to take us 02:45:18.615 --> 02:45:20.505 down yet another tangent. 02:45:20.505 --> 02:45:22.635 And I'm looking at the time, let's end it there. 02:45:22.725 --> 02:45:23.145 And. 02:45:24.765 --> 02:45:26.325 Unless there's anything more that you'd like 02:45:26.325 --> 02:45:29.595 to be able to get out or say, Travis, 02:45:29.595 --> 02:45:31.725 the, what I would like to say is in preparing 02:45:31.725 --> 02:45:35.985 for this, uh, you lit me up and when 02:45:35.985 --> 02:45:39.555 you're talking about empowering and enabling, 02:45:39.705 --> 02:45:40.815 those are the kinds of the keywords that 02:45:40.815 --> 02:45:41.835 I associate with you. 02:45:42.135 --> 02:45:44.565 You, uh, before this interview and in this 02:45:44.565 --> 02:45:46.635 conversation, it's a bit, it's a huge 02:45:46.635 --> 02:45:47.595 all over the place. 02:45:48.075 --> 02:45:51.165 And I find it, um, you've lit me up and 02:45:51.165 --> 02:45:52.155 you've inspired me. 02:45:52.485 --> 02:45:54.885 And, uh, I'm looking for like, I'm now looking 02:45:54.885 --> 02:45:56.415 forward to doing a whole bunch of other stuff. 02:45:56.415 --> 02:45:59.475 So it's put an absolute treat and I cannot 02:45:59.475 --> 02:46:01.695 thank you enough, a huge, huge thank you 02:46:01.695 --> 02:46:03.615 for having initiated this conversation, 02:46:05.415 --> 02:46:06.105 Nicholas. 02:46:06.375 --> 02:46:09.135 Likewise, I really enjoyed the conversation. 02:46:09.135 --> 02:46:11.265 I'm looking forward to future conversations 02:46:11.295 --> 02:46:13.365 and for the listeners, anyone who's made it this 02:46:13.365 --> 02:46:17.355 far, please check out the gun blog.ca tons of 02:46:17.355 --> 02:46:18.555 great content on there. 02:46:19.395 --> 02:46:21.075 Thank you very much for being on the Silvercore 02:46:21.405 --> 02:46:23.835 podcast and the gun blog.ca swamped. 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