[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the balancing hormones naturally podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is your podcast host, Leah Brugman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a functional diagnostic nutritional practitioner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey guys, so today we're going to be talking about PMDD, not PMS, PMDD.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to be talking with somebody who has literally lived this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to be talking with Monica Grown, who is a hormone health coach, certified personal trainer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's the founder and CEO of Mariah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got in touch with Monica, honestly, a couple of years ago, because she's put out such wonderful information on PMDD.
[SPEAKER_01]: And after seventeen years of struggling with severe periods, symptoms, and PMDD, she found relief through nutrition and lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, that became her mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: She became dedicated to helping women overcome PMS and PMDD with simple effective habits, quality nutrition.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was diagnosed with PMDD in twenty-sixteen after years of misdiagnosis.
[SPEAKER_01]: She earned her certified certification in women's hormone health coaching and lunch, Maria, and twenty-twenty.
[SPEAKER_01]: So many big things came out of twenty-twenty, you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is her mission to empower women to live free from periods symptoms through nutrition and lifestyle support.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you are going to be hearing about why she created Maria, what's in Maria, what helped her get relief from PMDD and some really big things that we see pattern wise across when dealing with PMDD.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's full of gold, full of gold.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you guys already heard her intro, so I won't give you all that again, but I think this is going to be awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: to hear from somebody who has had PMDD.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if you say you still have PMDD or not, but I will let you dive into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's useful to hear someone who's gone through this journey and actually has actionable things that you can take to help.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I will let you take it from here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to just kind of start with your story and then we can dive more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that I am someone who still has PMDD.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think because PMDD is that like sensitivity to hormone fluctuation, whether they're out of balance in balance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am a highly sensitive person, whether that be emotionally, you know, within the hormonal space or outside of the hormonal space.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the amazing part is for anyone listening out there who also experiences PMDD, there are ways to manage those symptoms.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're not just like a victim of this diagnosis, it doesn't have to become you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can use it kind of as a super power in so many ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I say that without there being like toxic positivity around it too, I just truly have experienced the worst of it all the way from, you know, self-harming and suicidal ideation.
[SPEAKER_00]: to now being in a place where I still have some months that like aren't as great as others, but it allows me a reflection point.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, a little bit about my story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got my first period at nine years old, so I was a very early bloomer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the time I was eleven, I was experiencing very heavy periods.
[SPEAKER_00]: and some hormonal acne, kind of the traditional, you know, teen symptoms, I think that a lot of people experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I went on a orthotry cyclin low, a birth control at eleven years old.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a lot of curiosities around that from, you know, about what I experience now, hormonally, and if that plays a role, which, you know, I'll probably never know, and I can create my assumptions around that.
[SPEAKER_00]: As I grew and as my cycles became normal, maybe, but they were always medicated with birth control.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really hard to know the mood side of things really flared up for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt out of control.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt manic, very just out of my body.
[SPEAKER_00]: To the point where like by the time I was twenty five, I was really like some things up, but like something is wrong with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't correlate it to my cycles yet because I'd been on birth control for so long.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was still on birth control at that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't cycling normally.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't have that indicator of a bleed to be able to correlate the symptoms too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it felt out of the blue.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought I was bipolar.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that is a very common experience for those who do experience pntd is that you're like, is this a personality disorder?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just severely depressed and it just like flares up randomly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And until I was able to have the experience of a therapist actually at the time suggesting some cycle tracking.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I got to get off earth control so that I can.
[SPEAKER_00]: understand and see cyclically what's going on, that it was very obvious that I'm like a cycle day, uh, nineteen ish, you know, twenty, nineteen, eighteen, like that's really when I flare it's not like as bad right before my period and it's not that bad around ovulation, but it's kind of smacked up in the middle of my luteal phase.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and which is interesting because that's from a projection should be at its highest almost.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm actually learning this now as I'm in a period of, you know, leaning towards trying to conceive and really dig into those estrogen-producerone levels.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have very low pedestrian.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been an athlete.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I suspect that there's an aspect of some energy deficiency happening as well as have really high cholesterol.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm learning the correlation between kind of hormone conversion because you're needing cholesterol to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my cholesterol is not properly converting either.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm working on this with the dietitian right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like to be continued on that journey, but I think I think that for me, I'm out of balance right there where the production is not coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's because that is where it should be as high as in your, your brain's like, no, not enough projection, therefore not enough GABA, not enough all the other things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, you are like the millionth person that has told me that their therapist was like, maybe you have PMDB, which could also all these therapists for like putting that out there and like telling them like, maybe this is something you should look into.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so how did you go about getting your diagnosis?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was with her and I think that that's an interesting thing for us to touch on even is that the diagnostic criteria, you know, people in this PNDD space are kind of like stuck in the middle between gynecology and mental health.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the criteria has kind of gone back and forth between a women's health thing and a psychological thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I was just lucky that this therapist kind of put it in her realm of expertise in diagnostics.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she knew that it required psychological tracking to diagnose.
[SPEAKER_00]: Diagnostic criteria for PMDD is literally a list of symptoms, which is also very challenging because
[SPEAKER_00]: There is the potential that I got this diagnosis without there actually being any exclusions, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because functional medicine or even like traditional medicine really should look into like, oh, this could be a thyroid issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: This could be a nutrient deficiency issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: This could be so many other things and exclude those as the potential root of what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas with, you know, there's no, there's no, there's no test.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no tests that can be done, but those tests should be getting done to help with the exclusion process of it potentially being something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think now that I'm down the line and I've done a lot of the testing, like I can very clearly, you know, say like, yeah, I do, I truly do believe it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is PMDD, but there's a lot of great area in diagnostics of this because it's not just a lap test.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even when people are getting testing done, especially if they're just going to their OB to buy on, you know, those doctors are still using the lab ranges of quote unquote like normal and it's like a disease lab range basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you're getting the thyroid testing done, you're getting the nutrition testing done, and maybe it looks normal, but it's not functionally optimal, so that could still be the root of the problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that's a really interesting kind of controversial thing in the PMGD space is
[SPEAKER_00]: The diagnostic process should be a little bit more in depth, but it does require quite a bit in terms of resources in terms of testing time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just like a blood test where you're going to be like, oh, yep, like you have endo or you have PCOS or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is more a lengthy kind of exclusion process.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, it was tracking my symptoms.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did it over a three month period and I very much had at least
[SPEAKER_00]: consistently like five of the symptoms on the list, which is kind of the diagnosis criteria for this disorder.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, my therapist was okay saying like, this is what it seems to be and let's kind of act on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that when we're talking about it in this way and people listening might be like, oh no, like, maybe I was wrongly diagnosed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that the protocol or the kind of healing direction
[SPEAKER_00]: necessarily changes whether it's thyroid nutritional deficiencies or PMDD.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of it really is foundational.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think I'd get too wrapped up in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe just start to key into some of those lifestyle things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what do you start doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: The therapist I was working with, she was like, you know, I'd go to your doctor and let her know what's going on and potentially look into cycling SSRIs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a, like, the suggestion was cycling SSRI.
[SPEAKER_00]: So only taking them in the Ludial phase.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know how this happened for me because I was the least like body aware person.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was definitely the person who like a doctor just told me what to do and I did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't questioning or asking myself like does this feel like the right option for me, but something in my body at that time you told me like I'm unsure about this direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was like, I don't really want, I don't want another birth control or to cycle SSRIs before I try other things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I found a nurse practitioner and she actually gave me like a physical scroll.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will literally call it a scroll because it's a very long sheet of paper with a list of supplements.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she had had patients have a very good experience with
[SPEAKER_00]: repleting nutrient deficiency is that she was seen as common amongst this group of women.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, that seems approachable.
[SPEAKER_00]: That seems like something I can get behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been an athlete my whole life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, like taking care of my body has always been a high priority.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to be able to just say, like, oh, I'm just going to use supplements.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like a good path to start.
[SPEAKER_00]: And within three months, it was complete.
[SPEAKER_00]: lead league game changing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I had a symptom free cycle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt very much in control.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have that kind of manic anxious experience where for me a huge symptom is starting to question everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thinking like, you know, you can't do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just go down these rabbit holes deep into this place of like
[SPEAKER_00]: not truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the story gets quite elaborate.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, to be able to have that experience and like get my period and be in have had a symptom free cycle, I was like, whoa, this is really, really working.
[SPEAKER_00]: So nutrition for me was a big one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of women experience and inability to kind of absorb nutrients.
[SPEAKER_00]: through food or get the right nutrients for food.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say I'm someone who does have a pretty clean healthy lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whole foods of variety of plants, pretty high protein, like all of those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like I just don't absorb nutrients.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to be able to have that supplementation and get a little bit more from it was really, really what I was needing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you, so I've noticed with a lot of PMD clients, they're very sensitive to supplementation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if there's like highly sensitive across the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you noticed that with yourself for not really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you see it mostly like across the B vitamins where like it does create jitters or what will.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's just like, I think part of it is that what you said they go down, it's easy to go down rabbit holes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's partly with supplements is, can you start getting very sensitive to everything?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so even if it's like a positive change, you start to notice, you're like, oh my gosh, is this going in the right direction?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this going in the bad direction?
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't experience that, but I can definitely say from our community and our customers at Maria, we do see a lot of people who have
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot, I think it's we see it at like seven percent of our customers are having like a reaction to the B vitamins where like it's a higher dosage.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's therapeutic great dosage.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're
[SPEAKER_00]: And some people are sensitive to be vitamins where it does make them a little bit like higher energy, maybe a little bit or on like the magnesium side, which we use a magnesium glycinate, but some people still experience some digestive upset or hallucinate,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which could also be the high dose of vitamin C. So there's like, you know, some we see that some, but I think in general, I would guess there's a percentage of the population and I don't know what that is that does just have a sensitivity to.
[SPEAKER_00]: that kind of dosage of nutrients.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for us, we're always just kind of recommending and we have seen people have improved experiences with starting with a quarter dose or a half dose.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the great thing about our product being in a powder is you truly can just adjust the dosage within the scoop.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess you could, you know, produce a pill to one pill versus two or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll have people easing and that's kind of how we direct everyone right is like start with the quarter scoop maybe twice a day and really easing to that full dose because it can be hard on the gut, especially if you're your root issue is kind of a got issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can be hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that in my experience, I've not had PMDD.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have had, like, Muslims and PMS, but I don't think that is anywhere close to PMDD with what I've seen with clients, where it's like, like you said, I think they truly think that they're bipolar sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it gets so extreme.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have your period and you're just like, oh, nevermind, like, I can do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's hard because all the things that you need to do to kind of support it feel so impossible to do like in your luteal phase.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like a catch twenty two in some end.
[SPEAKER_01]: So explain to me why you created your product then because that's simple.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just dump it in some water.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Maria was
[SPEAKER_00]: solving my own problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, you know, my experience with initially feeling a less symptomatic PMDD loopial phase was nutritional foundational nutrition through supplementation.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was taking like a twelve pill regimen, which isn't sustainable.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's definitely not sustainable if you're symptomatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're saying, it's hard to maintain those things that you know are good for you when you're feeling
[SPEAKER_00]: like the world is ending when you're feeling like you can't get out of bad how am I supposed to like section out and pull like twelve different pills because I was having to get the B complex separate so that I was making sure I was getting a high enough dosage and then the magnesium separate and the cut like it was just a nightmare yeah and I was like a foundational nutrition can help
[SPEAKER_00]: All women who experienced menstrual symptoms in general, why isn't there a product that just like puts it together for us?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's athletic greens out there, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that is this foundational nutrition thing that was, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's for everyone, but I would like to think that it's probably more targeted towards the male.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why can't there be something for women that's more convenient?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really wanted to educate women on the whole process for me, my background is e-commerce and through a product felt like my route to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we created the PMS elixir, which is foundational micronutrients with fifteen essential nutrients in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: One scoop of day mixed with water, which is a much better experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would like to think that the first stop for someone who is experiencing PMDD really is bringing awareness to their own cycle every day symptom mapping so that you can see your symptomatic triggers and really understand what those
[SPEAKER_00]: symptoms are on a monthly basis and from there, you're going to be able to learn a lot more.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that ritual of taking Maria or your supplements once a day, that can be a moment of check-in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm cycle day five today.
[SPEAKER_00]: How am I feeling?
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to take note of this real quick while I drink this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we try to make that connection of like building a positive habit, but also allowing it to be a daily check in with yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, before we started recording, we were just talking about how this group of people can very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: play a victim role and I say this with so much kindness and experience of being a victim of it myself is like we got to get out of that state of mind as a highly sensitive person as someone who can experience these massive mood shifts we can't be victim to them and the first step is knowing
[SPEAKER_00]: what your pattern is, what days you experience your symptoms most commonly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're almost able to prepare for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can brace for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can ask for the space you need and create boundaries around it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think for me that was a huge step in being able to
[SPEAKER_00]: have some like honest over this right like it wasn't me it was something that was part of my experience, but I could now prepare for it so I had ownership over it as opposed to it just owning me and learning how to communicate with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: learning or not even with it, but like learning how to communicate around it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we all have people in our lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we can't just rage at them and be like, well, I have PMDD.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, you just have to, if you don't accept this, like, you don't love me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, no, we can ask them, hey, I'm feeling like I'm going to have a couple hard days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I just need a little bit of space here, or here's what I need for you, or if I'm being quiet, it's not you, it's me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that like creating structure, a little bit of structure, some boundaries and being able to communicate our own experience with someone else allows us a level of ownership over our experience as opposed to just being like, this is just me, like, take it early bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've even had some clients were like, they know like when
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to start in their cycle and they just like have like a note on their on their mirror on their computer like everywhere that when they reach that cycle day, you know, it's easy to like go down those rabbit holes and even become like super like in depth worried about certain things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And on their, they put on their sticky note like once I get this cycle day, this is not real.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is fact and they will like put their facts that they want to remember because they're like, I can't let myself go down this viral.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to stop it and be like, this is this cycle day.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not real.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my truth because.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to, so it's real.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like in that moment, it's real.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to follow the path and like go down all of the optional scenarios and it's rough.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you were talking about the therapeutic dosage, that's where I want to reiterate for the audience that this is very different than a multivitamin.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have like a personal, like, if she wasn't there,
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me, I want to hear what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, there's no, for example, like you have a multi vitamin, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And people are like, I'm getting all of the things that I need.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm over here like, no, you're actually getting too much of like XYZ because you're getting that from, you know, a different supplement.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you're getting nowhere near the doses that you need of the things that actually matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: People will, for example, take magnesium, and they're like, I'm not noticing a difference taking magnesium.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, because you're taking a hundred milligrams.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to be taking like three, four times your body weight in milligrams.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and that's or they start taking vitamin C and it's like you're taking a hundred milligrams like you need to be taking more like one or two grams depending on what you have going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I think testing can be really useful because you can see where you need to support it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that a lot of times we take these generic multiplies and we're like,
[SPEAKER_01]: will not helping or you think it's doing what you want it to do and it's full of heavy metals because it's not been tested correctly or it's full of fillers and it doesn't have the dosages that you actually need.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I feel like you're just wasting your money.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you've been spending money on supplements like let's make it worth its money basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's I love that you say that because
[SPEAKER_00]: We get the question of the time of like, well, isn't this just a multivitamin?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why wouldn't I just keep taking my multivitamin?
[SPEAKER_00]: And while you may see the same nutrients on the panel, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll see the vitamin D, the magnesium, the zinc, the selenium.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll see the things that are, you're probably going to see in a woman's multivitamin.
[SPEAKER_00]: What you're not, I think the general consumer is not aware of.
[SPEAKER_00]: is the forms of each nutrient are important.
[SPEAKER_00]: So our B six is a P five P, so you don't have to convert it to utilize it, which a lot of women have hard time with conversion.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so then whatever supplement you are buying, that's in a different form, you're not converting it, you're not getting the use of it, so the waste of money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mathulation with B vitamins is a huge one.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of women have the gene, a gene mutation where you can't convert.
[SPEAKER_00]: huge issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, magnesium.
[SPEAKER_00]: We use a glycinate, which is the or glycinate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never know how to say it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's so many ways to say it, but yeah, to make a lot of, um, which is the great one for mood and like calm staying chill.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our product that these nutrients are also in that therapeutic rate dosage.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're getting enough where you're going to actually notice the difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why, you know, we do have over nine hundred reviews of women saying, like, this has changed my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, yeah, you are depleted, which most of us are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you needed these nutrients for so many different conversions and like to build up your hormones to
[SPEAKER_00]: Like detox your hormones for serotonin uptake.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's so many processes in the body that are the foundation of them is having these nutrients.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when people are actually getting them at a dosage
[SPEAKER_00]: That's therapeutic.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can notice the difference whereas if you just buy the multi or you get the gummy vitamin or whatever, they have the nutrient in there so they can claim the benefit of that nutrient.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not necessarily at a level or in the right form where you're going to get the benefit from it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in term like we're actually giving you
[SPEAKER_00]: something that you're going to feel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's also reflected in the price because obviously there's more nutrients in there in higher quality forms.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to cost more.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the biggest complaint we got is why is it so expensive?
[SPEAKER_00]: I can go buy a multi for, you know, twenty five dollars at Target.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go buy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like,
[SPEAKER_00]: If that's what you want to spend your money on, cool, but you're just throwing twenty-five dollars away as opposed to, you know, paying fifty and actually getting something that's gonna work for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think price is such an interesting topic with people, you know, because a lot of times we'll say, like, why can get this cheaper, or I can just, like, find XYZ here, and I'm like, well, that is what you've been doing, and it's not working.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that like our product is the magic bullet.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's I think my my biggest or my hardest challenge with owning a product business in this space is I never want to come off as saying we're going to cheer you we're going to fix you with this supplement.
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes more than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one piece of the pie.
[SPEAKER_00]: that we saw could be improved upon.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we also try very, very hard to make sure we're educating on the other things because it's not just nutrient deficiency.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's more to nutrient deficiency than just supplementing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to look at your food that you're eating.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to look at how you're sleeping.
[SPEAKER_00]: If your blood sugars dysregulated, are you overexercising or under exercising?
[SPEAKER_00]: And also your mental state, like
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you over committing and lacking boundaries?
[SPEAKER_00]: How is your stress regulation?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like all of this plays such a role?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so I have an interesting thought about supplement.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would love to hear what you think about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like supplements give a lot of women a sense of control.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so getting a supplement
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[SPEAKER_01]: gives you enough of an, oh, sometimes to like make a difference in other areas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: your life basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I'm not going to actually go to a therapist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for other society, we've learned and I think pharmaceutical maybe has taught us that we just want the fix and usually it's in the form of a pill.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that makes sense because our experiences you go to the doctor and the doctor gives you something to fix it, which must often is abandoned because they're not doing root cause medicine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we look at supplements as that too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're repleting things that like environmental toxins are you know depleting us of my partner takes it with me and like yes it was a supplement created for women but there's good nutrients in there for men too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting thing and I think that's why we definitely have the rhetoric often of like this is one piece of your puzzle and this may be a great place to start because it does give you that hope that I'm feeling better and now I'm motivated to implement the other lifestyle things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of why I really think about a PMDD healing protocol or journey as like step one awareness.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the symptom mapping.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is my experience with this disorder?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then from that we can like look at triggers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And those triggers are the things like the nutritional deficiency or the sleep
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as people get educated with those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of like nutritional deficiency is kind of one that I like to tackle first because it is quote unquote like the easiest because you can supplement it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So people get that experience that you're talking about of like, okay, I'm doing something to help myself and I'm feeling a little bit better and then they're like, what's next?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like looking at the tools.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like what are my tools to quote unquote not fix, but support my triggers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like having that kind of three step like awareness triggers tools.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can kind of help people understand the layers to it and at the foundation of it is awareness.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then is the foundational things that can be supportive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you have to give yourself a funny chance with like replenishing your nutrients and all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I often.
[SPEAKER_01]: So something that I think is so tricky when you have PMDD is that you're like, you have this awareness that you need to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: nervous system regulation and you're like, yeah, I need to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm aware of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I have all these tools, like I have all these things I can do, but you're feeling fine prior to loopy face, you're like, I don't have to do it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I save those tools for when I'm not feeling good, but then the thing
[SPEAKER_01]: happens is that you get to that phase and you're not feeling good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what's the last thing you're gonna do?
[SPEAKER_01]: The nervous system and use your tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, that's like, we need to use them and flex that muscle, build that muscle, like build that foundation before you get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think about it as running a marathon, like you need to actually warm up and practice before like trying to run your marathon.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't like,
[SPEAKER_01]: pull a muscle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's interesting because a lot of people they'll hear like stress management, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're immediately like managing stress means that I'm going to journal and meditate and regulate my nervous system and at the end of the day it's also like we have to build stress resiliency.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that comes in the form of
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of the other things, the blood sugar regulation.
[SPEAKER_00]: If your blood sugar is just regulated, it doesn't matter if you're having external stress, you have internal stress.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if we have to do those things first and manage the internal stress so that we can be resilient to life stressors emotional stress.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, of course, you know, if I'm, my blood sugar's regulated, I'm good, I've like, been satiated, I've eaten meals throughout the day, all of those things are in line.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, I get an awful email.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna be more resilient to managing that in that situation, whereas if I am starving and I'm hangry and then I get the email, I'm gonna have a mentee bee, like I'm going to completely break down.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have to do,
[SPEAKER_00]: that internal stress management to build resilience to the other stress.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that in turn is going to support our nervous system.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of people are separating the two and not realizing like, oh, I need to do in order to manage life stress.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I have to meditate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And those tools are great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those can build resiliency too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think our brains need that space and our current world.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so much of it comes back to the foundational things to manage our internal stress.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kind of think about it like the toddler because like cobblers, I feel like you can say like they're having a good day or about day, like my second.
[SPEAKER_01]: kiddo is two and a half-ish kind of half-ish man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I constantly like when he is just blazing fire, I have to because he like he can go from zero to one hundred and I've to do my check-in of like is it possible his blood sugars imbalance?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he tired?
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he need water?
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he have to pee?
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he just need a hug?
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I go through all of those things and typically one of them needs to be met.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when those things are met, then I feel like we can come down from the blazes so much faster.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can, when his shoe falls off and he didn't want his shoe to fall off.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, Mom, when shoe fell off versus like my shoe fell off in the world is ending.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of how I think about it where it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to prep him prep his day, meet all of these things so that his shoe falling off doesn't end the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it can seem so trivial, oh, your shoe falling off should end the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's kind of how a bad email or someone annoying us or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's how we respond if our needs, our bucket list hasn't been
[SPEAKER_01]: Met.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, when I can see it, like in that similarity, I'm like, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It actually is important for me to do those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I think that, like, you saying that right about your child of like, oh, this makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's thirsty, like, hungry.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can say the same thing to ourselves and give like it's almost like speaking to that part of us if anyone's familiar with parts work and therapy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can just like tell that part of us like, oh, this makes sense that you're feeling this way because you're hungry and now I'm going to go feed you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think for me when I learn to tell myself it makes sense you're feeling this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it got self validation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was validating for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a, that's a good tool for me when I am experiencing symptomatic PMDD.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're feeling this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're sensitive to hormonal change.
[SPEAKER_00]: And last month, you drank and usually don't drink alcohol.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're having a flare up or
[SPEAKER_00]: You were traveling a lot and you didn't eat as well as you normally do it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and then we can kind of instead of shaming ourselves and being like, well, it's wrong with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm broken, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, hmm, my body's just giving me a little message, nudging me in a different direction and, you know, have to spiral on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can just be like, what am I going to do different?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a pressure from curiosity instead of like shame.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like one of my biggest values is just being curious and not being reactive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think understanding why honestly, it's like, and that's where awareness you said was the first step because when I, you know, like, you, I feel like so many people start their day and they're like, I'm gonna eat this in such food and I'm gonna feel great.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then three p.m.
[SPEAKER_01]: hits are like nine p.m.
[SPEAKER_01]: hits and there's like, I need ice cream.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want chocolate.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, if you can take a step and go, oh, it's because I actually didn't balance my blood sugar in the meal before and now I'm like hyper lysemic and my body needs that sugar in order to raise it back up and that's why I need chocolate right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I can tell myself that I'm like, okay, I'll eat the protein.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and then I'll reassess how I feel about my life makes me so much more like willing, you know, to eat that food because I understand that this is like a natural response to what's going on in my body and it's not that I don't have willpower.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's so important for us to have that experience that awareness.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm like, not shameless else for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Curious, just be curious and build that awareness.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's true like in all areas of life, whether it's business, whether it's health, whether it's relationship, curiosity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, that's like why it's one of my biggest values is I've just learned when I'm not curious, I'm usually reactive.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd rather stay in a curious state than in a reactive state.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the worst thing ever, you know, you like go to your partner and you tell them something you're needing and they just react to you instead of being like, oh, like, tell me more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what feels better and you can have that same experience with yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can ask yourself, hmm, like I'm going to listen a little bit more on this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to like try to see like, oh, okay, like exactly what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why am I wanting ice cream?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like let's be curious about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, while the meal I just ate was like a full carbo load and like, you know, I didn't get any protein.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not fully excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I have an understanding.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I can move forward and make a decision.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's so empowering when you start to ask that question instead of just constantly getting mad at yourself and
[SPEAKER_01]: just jumping down what you think it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think sometimes like we approach situations with a bias already of like, this isn't going to work for me or this is the issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of just being like, tell me more, like, why is this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what can I learn from this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, I'm not saying that's easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a person's not, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a learned skill, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm almost thirty six years old and I'm like it's just becoming like habitual for me to be able to ask those questions and get out of the kind of state of like complete manic disarray.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the more we learn about ourselves and the more we do work on ourselves, the easier it is to kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: manage a disorder like P&D as well, because at the end of the day, like those are your tools, is the self-regulation, and is the curiosity, and the self-talk, and learning to be different person in a way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes it's hard to let go of the old view.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're like, but I want to socially drink, and I
[SPEAKER_01]: want to say up late and I want to do all of these things and it's like well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to keep doing that, I think that's interesting though, because I would ask those people who want those things about, like, does it really make you feel good?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is that just you kind of like drowning out your like spiraling thoughts and like self sabotaging, self sabotaging almost to make your experience stay the same?
[SPEAKER_00]: What your body is maybe thinking like, oh, this is keeping me safe, because this is what I know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like if you really asked like and I think that's my experience even without alcohol of If I'm in a like in a place where I'm like asking maybe I do want a glass of wine I'll be like is this glass of wine worth tomorrow and next month being
[SPEAKER_00]: like not very fun for me and usually the answer is like no and I'll be like okay like I'm just not going to have it done but I don't think that people are asking that question or being curious about it or taking that step to you know really ask like why do I want this right now in this moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of self-sabotology when we start to think about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, I'm going to watch like four more episodes of this Netflix show, which is like, I'm not perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I have the drink sometimes, which whatever, have the drink or I like will totally binge a show.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know in that moment, I'm making that decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm making tomorrow harder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so oftentimes I'll be like never mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do this right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Future me does not want this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like we kind of like change from nutrients to this, but I think it's such an important because like sometimes like the changes that we need to make are free, but like they are the hardest changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think
[SPEAKER_01]: with our program and our accountability coaches and like when we have our coach all and we'll go through like some of the hardest things that they're working on with people are like no screens before a bed like they have super tender breasts in PMS but they drink like seven times a week and it's the leading goal of these habits they're like I want this but like we don't want to
[SPEAKER_01]: make the free changes, you know, because they are the hardest.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're the hardest.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think taking supplements is probably the easiest for most people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the free changes are the hardest because we don't have any investment in them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like give someone a free program with everything in it that they need to feel better and then watch the modules.
[SPEAKER_00]: Make them pay for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's this contrast, like guilt, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, I paid for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's sometimes a little bit to make that change.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, hopefully, like through like supplements, like maybe because people are buying them, they're actually going to take them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there are so many free things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of where I go and people are like complaining about the price.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, well, we're also telling you all the free things you can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you just choose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, yeah, investment is so huge because like if you don't put skin in the game, you don't show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why my one-on-one clients, which is like a very high ticket premium access.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, I mean, there are also a lot more up there, but they see such massive results because they put
[SPEAKER_01]: Skin in the game that they're like, I'm going to be here Leo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to hold the work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we even see it or if someone purchases like we offer a three month bundle of this supplement because we're really like give yourself ninety days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those people see better results.
[SPEAKER_00]: They paid more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they also like stuck through that ninety day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and I think that that's an interesting thing too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the people who aren't willing to make the commitment or who are playing victim aren't willing to make the investment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've had to learn and be okay as a founder and a business owner that like they're just not ready yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And some people aren't ready to heal yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not ready to let go that this is happening to them and it's part of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I know that's hard to hear.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've been in a place where I'm like, I don't like, I just want to feel bad for myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's okay, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But until you're ready to admit that there's more for you and that you don't have to live this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're not ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to give a very odd example for this because
[SPEAKER_01]: What I think is so interesting to me is people are so ready to buy the trendy thing that is going to fix their issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are like, I want to buy this weight loss program that has these shakes and blah blah blah blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or I'm going to go full carnivore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go full keto.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, have you ever balanced your blood sugar?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like are you doing that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're like, I've tried everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not working.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, are you doing your basics?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like are you doing that?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm just gonna go carnivore because it's like easier to think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in those instances, it's like the basic, the foundational, they're not sexy and they're not sexy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't have that like internal like excitement like I'm starting something new and this is gonna, you know, make us big difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so those those trendy and the sexy things are much more like, oh, that influencer like talked about how this changed her life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna do this or and that's not what moves the needle, you know, and I'll often have people that
[SPEAKER_01]: see these massive differences in their hormones and their mood.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, two, three years, like they'll come back, which is kind of crazy that I've been doing that this long.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll come back and they'll be like, I need to run these labs to see what's going on because I have blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah symptoms.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, let's give me a rundown.
[SPEAKER_01]: What have you been doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how are your foundations?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: I mostly do okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, well, when we let those foundations slip, that's when things come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, the fanciness isn't, I mean, I like labs too, but like, you know, foundations are there for a reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, sometimes people need the labs because it's the investment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I paid, you know, then I'll do allors for this lab.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I have the protocol from the lab and the protocol literally says like,
[SPEAKER_00]: balance your blood sugar, eat a satiating breakfast in the morning, like, or like, you know, eat more plant varieties to improve your, like, got microbi.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's just like, come on guys, like, I can write it in a protocol for you and call it a protocol.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, maybe it's sexier that way because it sounds like something from your doctor, but yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, even on my podcast,
[SPEAKER_00]: No matter if we're talking about migraines, PCOS, like PMDD, like it doesn't matter what we're talking.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's thyroid issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it doesn't matter what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're always talking about the foundation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like circadian rhythm, getting enough sleep, blood sugar regulation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you overexercising?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you eating enough?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just like, it's all the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: And people
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to find the trick that like gets people to do the things and maybe it's just like they should teach this in school and then it would be ingrained a little bit better and unfortunately that's not a reality.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so like it gives us something to talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: That could be a whole episode by itself, but you could literally make the same episode like details and just change the topic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because change the title and why it's supports.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, yes, when people are like, you haven't done a topic on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, well, technically I have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just change the title.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, if you
[SPEAKER_01]: got a dollar every time we talk about blood sugar balance in every single episode, everyone would be rich.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's, I talk about every single episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, the top three tips for PCOS, the top three tips for PMDD, the top three tips for heavy periods.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, they're kind of the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, once you get past the foundations, there are some things that change.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[SPEAKER_01]: because the deficiencies are different.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like the foundation, they don't change.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're called the foundations for a reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's
[SPEAKER_00]: the triggers for most of what we're all experiencing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, like the modern lifestyle of the modern world, what we've learned, what's in the grocery stores, like it's just not supportive of the foundations.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it does take that knowledge and discipline to kind of be able to implement them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think for women, especially like we suck at boundaries, no offense ladies, but like I suck at boundaries too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that means we're carrying the weight of a lot of things, like a lot of us work, have families, run the household, and so we're not prioritizing those things for ourselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like that's part of like why I love to bring awareness in and be like where are we not holding boundaries so that we can have the space to take care of ourselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's just, it goes so much deeper than even just like change your habits.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, we gotta like rewrite how we're living a little bit sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was a good mic drop moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a hard truth, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's a lot of our truths in here whether you're playing victim, whether you're
[SPEAKER_00]: boundaryless and it sucks because it's it's learned behavior and I'm not a big like I don't know I don't want to say like women are out of disadvantage in the world like we're not that's if we tell that story that will be true for us but I think we need to be aware of it we need to be aware of how we're showing up
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, again, this could be a branch to a different episode, but like if we keep trying to live like a man in terms of like our hormones and our food and our nutrition, yeah, we're constantly gonna be like, what's wrong with me?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we have a different hormonal cycle, which means that we react to things differently, which means we need to structure it around what serves as best.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make you weaker, it doesn't make you
[SPEAKER_01]: worse, it just makes you different.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also means you're on the driver's seat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if we can reframe not from being like, oh, I need to avoid these things or like, like, I'm softer, like, so I need to, whatever, it's like, no, you're actually just in control of what's best for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's pretty empowering that we get to have that experience and have that knowledge and not awareness and do what we please.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I literally have my cycle phases in my calendar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Different colors throughout the whole month and I schedule things accordingly and you can't always, it doesn't always line up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just went to like a four day conference and it was like right before my period and I got my period there and I was like, yeah, really not ideal because I'm exhausted.
[SPEAKER_00]: I survived.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you knew so you can plan accordingly like maybe you need more rest during that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You, you know, maybe you're not you're going to go to the conference and then you're not going to go out to have dinner with everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, normally when I travel I like make sure I still make a space for a run or work out or something else for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I'm actually not going to do that this time because I'm just too tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, now that we talk about all the other things, um, before we end, can you just tell us where we get this PMS, this PME deal, it's there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so Mariah wellness.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we, you can order there as a one time purchase or as a subscription.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have two flavors, citrus or tropical, both are amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the citrus with a little bit of tart cherry, um, as nicely grow mocktail every night.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love to tell women that it you can like replace your multivitamin and typically your magnesium supplement with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can kind of like simplify your routine if you're taking a mag already animal tie.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's three hundred and fifty five milligrams of mag in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a great amount actually more than most of the magnesium supplements.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see that are just magnesium.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you guys try it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Leah has a code, so we should definitely share that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll put it right here on the screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Anita will edit that in for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll put that in the show notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have that for everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also just want to commend you and just let everybody know something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I voiced our web transparency in companies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love how smack dab on your website.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of your ingredients in your Alexa is natural flavor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go
[SPEAKER_01]: Here, guys, this is what's in our natural flavor, in case you're like curious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, inevitably, I think, you know, I would love for to be not labeled as natural flavor, but we try to be as transparent as we can.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see so much information on the research behind each of the ingredients.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do third party lab testing, so what's in there is really what's in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We make sure there's no mold, no metals, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I truly created the product that I wanted and I'm very particular.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, if you have already questions too, you can always reach out to us and we're an open book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which way I always appreciate, but I often just appreciate it being right there so I can look and be like, oh, that's what's in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll put that in the show notes for everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for hopping on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thanks for having me.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was so great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, like, if anyone's listening, there is so much possibility for you to live not as a victim of this experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for listening to today's episode of balancing hormones naturally.
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