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We sit down with Lucian Tarnowski, founder of United Planet, to explore one of the most important questions of our time: What does it take to shift from a dystopian worldview into a lived experience of possibility?
Lucian argues that belief is a form of technology — and right now, humanity is being “conquered by dystopia.” Our collective pessimism feeds back into the systems we build. To change the future, we must change the story.
We talk about:
- Why “the enemy is apathy in possibility”
- How narratives and myth shape the worlds we create
- The UP Games and why immersive experiences unlock collective intelligence
- Planetary identity, acupuncture points, and the role of Ibiza
- What ancient wisdom and indigenous traditions teach about this moment
- The rise of Gaia AI and the role of augmented intelligence
- How we move beyond the constraints of the nation-state
- Why the next decade may offer the greatest civilizational pivot in human history
This episode blends personal story, deep systems thinking, indigenous insight, and grounded optimism about the future we are capable of choosing.
Hosted by Alex de Carvalho and Rudy de Waele, Voices of Emergence brings together thinkers, builders, and creators exploring how new systems of meaning, leadership, and regeneration are emerging through us: voicesofemergence.com
Subscribe to explore the edges of leadership, culture, and consciousness.
🎵 Intro & Outro Music
Used with permission from AWARË
Track: Journey Live 5
Listen on SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/awaremusic/jurney-live-5
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Lucian argues that belief is a form of technology — and right now, humanity is being “conquered by dystopia.” Our collective pessimism feeds back into the systems we build. To change the future, we must change the story.
We talk about:
- Why “the enemy is apathy in possibility”
- How narratives and myth shape the worlds we create
- The UP Games and why immersive experiences unlock collective intelligence
- Planetary identity, acupuncture points, and the role of Ibiza
- What ancient wisdom and indigenous traditions teach about this moment
- The rise of Gaia AI and the role of augmented intelligence
- How we move beyond the constraints of the nation-state
- Why the next decade may offer the greatest civilizational pivot in human history
This episode blends personal story, deep systems thinking, indigenous insight, and grounded optimism about the future we are capable of choosing.
Hosted by Alex de Carvalho and Rudy de Waele, Voices of Emergence brings together thinkers, builders, and creators exploring how new systems of meaning, leadership, and regeneration are emerging through us: voicesofemergence.com
Subscribe to explore the edges of leadership, culture, and consciousness.
🎵 Intro & Outro Music
Used with permission from AWARË
Track: Journey Live 5
Listen on SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/awaremusic/jurney-live-5
Explore more at: https://www.awaremusic.art
Creators and Guests
Host
Host
Rudy De Waele
Rudy is a futurist, regenerative leadership guide, and ecosystem weaver with over two decades of experience at the intersection of technology, consciousness, and systems change. He co-founded Unconditional Men and RegenerateX, and brings deep presence and visionary clarity to the Voices of Emergence podcast.
Guest
Lucian Tarnowski
Lucian Tarnowski is the founder and "Founding Curator" of United Planet and the UP.Game, leading a vision for a thriving future through immersive experiences, storytelling, and systems design, connecting leaders to create planetary-scale solutions for meaning, trust, and sustainable development, drawing on his background in community building, digital platforms (like BraveNew), and global leadership networks like the World Economic Forum.
What is Voices of Emergence?
Voices of Emergence is a podcast about what’s coming alive in a time between worlds. Hosted by Alex and Rudy, we hold mythic, soulful conversations with visionaries, culture-makers, and edge-walkers who are sensing into the future. From regenerative leadership to inner transformation, we explore how personal and collective emergence shape a more beautiful world—one honest, embodied conversation at a time.