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Hi,

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everybody.

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This

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episode of Healthy, Happy, Wise, Wealthy, I have with us Dave.

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Dave Lewis or David Lewis. Are you going by Dave? You

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know what? My friends and family, people I've known for a long time call me

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David. And so Dave's kind of my radio, tv,

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broadcasting, media name, so I'm fine with either.

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We're friends. We're family now, so you can go with David. That's right, I can

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go with David. I've been calling you David. So there you go. So I

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know David from. From work. We both work at a local television

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station, KOLO. TV in Reno. We both got there the same

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time. And as I was thinking through the kind of the.

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What I like to do on this podcast is talk about life

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pivots and life changes a lot. That's part of it is. And. And also

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just living healthy and making decisions that are

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healthy, moving forward with health, wealth, wisdom, all those kind of

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things, but especially when life doesn't necessarily go as planned.

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And right now, David and I, I found

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out, are both giving talks in August about that

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pivots and transitions. So I'm doing one on August 6th with the

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Creator's Conference Mini Monthly. It's a brand new

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thing in Reno for creatives. And I'm calling it the Painful

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Pivot to the Powerful Pivot.. I like that.

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That's great title. Thanks.

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Whoa. Well, we came up with that on the fly. I tell you

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what, I just sat down, met her for. For wine. We

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didn't do coffee, we did wine. And all of a sudden we had a whole

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conference set up. And, you know, so

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the title was Wine Inspired. The title

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probably was Wine

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Inspired. Right.

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Probably shouldn't say that. Well, and then David is

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giving a talk at the National Automobil Museum. I don't

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you think the. The automobile museum here in Reno is national? What do

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you think? Do you think they just add that on for fun? Hey,

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I'm stuck in there. I'm not gonna let you.

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It's such a cool place. I was looking at that. I'm like, is this the

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only. Is this the only automobile museum in. The US in the nation is

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what it is. I think it is very, very cool. No, I think it's super,

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super cool. And they do such a good job of doing events. So

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yours is called. Okay, you tell me the name

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you are. It's never too late to start over. You're enough. It's never too

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late to start over. Is that right? Yeah. Mine was not wine

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inspired. Well, shoot,

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yeah. Maybe I could have done better, you know, with it. If you would have

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had a glass of wine, maybe they'll do that. I've. I know I've been

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to events there with wine, so you never know. You could, you could, you could

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let them know about that. So that's on August 12th. August 12th at

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6? That's correct. Both at 6. So here we go. We'll see how we do.

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Are you nervous to give your speech? I saw how they

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described what that talk is going to be about. I said, man, I better be

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good. They made it sound like, you know, it's must

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see, appointment, speechy speak. So

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I got to be there and I got to get bring my A game. So

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I got a lot of work to do. Yeah. Okay, well, I'm going to let

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you talk now. Tell us about. I want you to just kind of tell us

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about what got you to be a morning anchor in Reno,

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Nevada, and what led up to it. So you didn't start

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in. In news on television?

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No. You want to go from the beginning? Oh, go from the

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beginning. Yeah. . Okay. So I was a

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top 40 disc jockey. My first job.

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a VIrgin was a new album when that.

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the middle of the night playing the hits and using that DJ

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voice, talking like this. I'm puking like a DJ would at that time.

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went to full time there in San Bernardino, California.

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Francisco, and the Bay Area

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for a dozen years in top 40. And then the last

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station I was at switched formats, which was pretty

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common. And so when they do that, everybody gets fired. And

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you got to figure out what you're going to do with your life. So I

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looked for DJ jobs. There weren't any available in the Bay

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a sports announcer doing play by play

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title of mine. And in basketball you pivot as well, you know,

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with the ball. But that was a, that was a career pivot. And I put

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together a deal, broadcasting deal at Santa Clara. So I

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found the radio station, sold the time, sold

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myself, and was able to get myself on as a

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play by play announcer at the age of 32. I'd never done it before

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doing college basketball. So I went from playing rap

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music to doing March Madness in the span of seven months, which,

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that's a big career move, pretty cool. And then simultaneously I got a

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still radio. It's still radio. It starts to evolve into

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television because KPIX, Channel 5 is the CBS

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named a part time sports anchor on the television station,

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making demos over a few months and they finally gave me a shot

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to do that. And then during that time I'd been doing some television play by

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play in sports. So I worked for Comcast doing

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the game of the week from Fresno to Chico. That

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television, I did arena football for the Saber Cats, San Jose

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Sacramento State doing football and television.

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time, but I thought I was going to be doing play by play, that would

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be the thing I would do most. I was still doing

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2022 and then my

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job got reduced to part time. I was doing

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news because Covid knocked out a lot of sports. So I got moved to news

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and, and that was actually, that was a big change. There was a pivot that

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I never thought that I would like, but it helped me because I became a

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news person because there were no events during COVID So

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they found something for me to do. And I

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until I decided I wasn't going to work part time because play by play

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and acting in movies, a lot of that was on weekends.

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in Reno on Indeed.com Shout out to Indeed.

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that point, especially doing full time news. But I just as a lark, just

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filled out the application. My best friend was here and

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was just split up with my wife. So that'll be

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another thing we circle back to. And

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I needed to be very sure I was running to something rather

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than from something. And I really connected with

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the news director really well. Then I became really interested. I go,

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I think I might like this. And then I had a zoom

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call with the co anchor. I was watching her online. I really liked her, this

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woman named Rebecca Kitchen. And I thought she was really good. And so

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he goes, I don't care if he says it's okay that I like you, but

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you guys have to like each other. It's not going to work. So we did

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hour. And I don't recall talking about the

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show all that much, but we talked a lot about life and getting to know

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each other and basically she disconnected that call

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and gave me a thumbs up. And then we

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negotiated over the course of another month or two and

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it just felt right. Scary though, very scary.

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Packing my car and then going for it. Yeah. Packing my car and starting a

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new life up here. So the people have been incredible. The audience

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is embraced. Our show, my staff has

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been so helpful. Not just

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the staff that works with our show, but people in our building

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and making friends in the community.

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It's been a real blessing. So that's a year and a half ago I came.

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as an, you know, and running

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to something and not away from something. That's. You've said that

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a couple times and we've talked and I think that's such a, probably

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a real important part of transition

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is sometimes when you have to make a transition, you really are

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running away from something or you're pushed out of something or you

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don't have a choice. And instead of like just sitting there and

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feeling like this is terrifying and circling,

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spiraling down about how you don't have a choice. There is that,

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you know, there's that mental pivot, don't you think?

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Oh, no doubt about it. And that that was the,

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the determining factor before I said yes was making sure I was clear

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on that. Because, you know, if you're running from something, your,

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your demons eventually catch you, you know, your, your

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fears or insecurities, the stuff you never dealt with. All

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that, you know, and it'll eventually

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grab you from behind. But I was pretty clear

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that this was the right thing, the right place, and I

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was running to something that was going to eventually be special. And it's taken a

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while. I mean, I came here, we were distant number

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two in the market. Now we're number one in mornings, which

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is, I think I can say freaking on your podcast, right? Freaking awesome.

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I didn't cross the line.

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But. No, that's so great. And, and I've seen your segments, so they're so,

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you know, they're. Some of them are so fun, you know, and

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the acting, but also you've chosen careers that are pseudo creative.

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Rebecca is a real journalist. You know, she grew up in the field,

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fourth generation Nevadan, and, you

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know, she wants to know about how the fire started and get a

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mug shot of the suspect and all that down and dirty journalism

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stuff. Your reporter, she's a reporter at heart. And I come in from more of

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a sports and entertainment, you know, background.

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what makes people different, but also what makes people just like us

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that, that people can relate to. So the,

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the features I do are a lot of human interest things, and I think it

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gives our show a balance that, you know, gives some.

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interviews you've done since you've been here? Are you talking about

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the one I had the crush on the most or. Yeah, start with that

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one. I don't even know which

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one it is because there's like, I feel like.

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I'll come back to that one. All right, so you're gonna come back to. That

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one I really liked was this gentleman, 70 years

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old, and he lives out in this Verdi area, Somerset, and

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he's riding from Canada

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to Mexico on a bike to over 2,000 miles

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for a friend of his that passed away from multiple sclerosis. And he's

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not a guy, a Tour de France guy. He's just a regular, you know,

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do like you and me riding a bike. So he trained, he hired a trainer

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to learn how to do it. And so he's on this journey now. I sent

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him a couple of Texts. I go, how you doing? And I. He said, I

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fell. He fell from in Seattle. So he showed me, you know, pictures of his

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body all scraped up and wondering if he continue. Now. This was a

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couple days ago. I said, I need to find out if he's still doing it.

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or not, I'm not about, like, only the guy that finished in first place, you

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know, to me, like, getting in the race for a lot of us, you

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know, like, this conversation on life is the victory. So,

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you know, if you get yourself to San Luis Obispo and you can't do

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it anymore, you got to come back to Reno. Your health. He's dizzy. He's not

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sleeping well. I go, I'm gonna have you on the show no matter what. You're

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gonna sit next to me on that set to talk about this experience.

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So I love, you know, and why people do things,

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you know, what makes them similar to us, what makes them different. You

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know, I think that's, you know, the human condition. Something that drives me.

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comedian. I'll circle back to the crush, but the comedian.

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The comedian Justin Ruppel, who was on America's Got

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Talent, and he shared his dream about

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headlining in Vegas. He's been doing this for now, like, 18, 19

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years. But he talks about how vivid it is, like, what

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kind of car he's driving and what he's eating. This double,

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double animal style from in and out, and he's got a donut in one hand.

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He's driving down the strip, and he's Caesar. As me sees his name

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up, you know, on the marquee tonight, Justin Ruppel. And he. And

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he's. So I'm picking up these life lessons on visualization, and. And so

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he's become a friend, you know, away from the show. Hey, we do. I want

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to do good tv, but, you know, I want to learn something that could

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gravitate and. And, you know, take into my own life. And we're sharing our own

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life lessons. He'd become a friend, you know, over the course of a couple TV

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visits. Yeah, that's. I mean, the power of visualization, I think, is something

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I definitely don't use enough for. Sure. Yeah. Instead of just having

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this kind of goal. More money, more than that, but. But not

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the steps you have to take and what it feels like. And some

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of that Tony Robbins stuff, you know, to really visualize and see it, to

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make it true. So I got myself thinking about, hey, My own goals. What about,

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you know, what do I want to do? And really making it real in my

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head. And I've heard that from a lot of different, I don't

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know, thought leaders about how the visualization, like, it's not just

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seeing it, it's feeling the emotions of it and kind of feeling what

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it's going to be like to do that. So I just wanted, I don't

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know, I gotta do that more. I'm putting a check in my check box right

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there to go do that more. Yeah, it was something. When I hear

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he's like, oh my gosh, that's right. You know, a little mental note to self

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and we swap some text like, hey, let's, let's get on the phone and talk

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about life. I invited him to my talk that I'm doing next month. He goes,

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hey, if I can go, I'll fly up and go. So he lives in la,

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so it would mean a lot to have him there. Yeah, I'm coming.

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Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that's going to be so exciting. You know, the night,

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the day I was talking to you and you said that you were, you're, you're

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making notes on your talk every night, you know, to kind of get it together.

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I was like, oh, I haven't even started that. And then that night I had

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a nightmare that I was just like on a TED

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Talk stage, just winging it. Oh yeah.

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Just back and forth, getting some talk from the, from the audience. I'm like,

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so, yeah, I have to buckle down. I think that was.

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And I'm still a play by play announcer at heart and I think I'm good

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at it. But the fear of sucking and not being prepared

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is like, drives me. So I'll have like a

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million notes and 90, 80% of it I

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never use. But it's always there for me just in case. Just in

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case there's that dead time or a guy twist his ankle and I

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know, you know, that he was 13, all American, whatever,

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whatever it is to have that stuff ready to go. So for that talk,

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I'm going to be prepared with video. I'm not going to go up there with

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notes, but I'm going to have this mind map worked out. You know, how I

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go from one thing to another. You know they're going to have video to

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play for me at certain points to keep it interesting. Yeah, I don't know if,

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heck, I'd bore myself talking for 40, 45 minutes

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without video. No or no. I know my family members, you know,

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I don't know how much they can take of me talking, you know? So anyway,

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I'm gonna have it compelling. There'll be some music. I'm gonna dance in there too.

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I've been working nice. I'll tell just you and your audience. No one else knows

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to be. But between you and me. Okay. Is

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Saturday Night Fever John Travolta. He

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does. He takes the floor. Tony Monero takes the floor. You should be dancing with

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the Bee Gees. Okay, I'm gonna have that routine down.

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To the T. Nice. Yes, nice.

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That'll be how I come on stage. Well, that's impressive because you also

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just had hip surgery. Yeah, that's a part of it.

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Like, hey, what can you do? It's never too late to learn that. Tony Monero.

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Three months after hip surgery. Yeah, three months after hip

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surgery. So, yeah, going back to kind of just. Well, let me

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ask you this first. Before we go back to some of all the transition stuff.

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TV or radio, what do you feel like are the

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differences in those two fields? Well,

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radio is much more

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spontaneous. With the television show,

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there's so many moving pieces and there's elements of it where we

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can be spontaneous. But it all revolves around having a director know what we're

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doing, having the video coming up at the right time, producers that are

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wondering, you know, what's going to be next. So it's kind of

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structured, but not truly improv.

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Creating a basketball game, I don't know how it's going to end. I don't know

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how every play is going to happen. I don't know how any play is going

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to happen. So it's purely. It's living in the moment all the time.

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And that is so

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invigorating. Doing radio scripts and news is the same

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as television, you know, Although I don't have to get up at 2 o' clock

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in the morning and put on makeup, you know? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I could. I

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could wear this and be good. And quite often I would wear worse than

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this. But. But it. The structure of it, news

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and television, I rely on more people on tv, I just need to turn on

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the microphone and radio. And if I suck, it's because I suck. It's not because

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I can blame some intern or producer or a director that played the wrong thing.

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So it's all on you. And I like that. I like having that responsibility. I

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embrace it. And, you know, you. If it's good, it's because you were good.

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If it sucks, it's because you suck. And

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in TV it doesn't happen without everybody. So no,

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it's. Yeah, I mean, I've got a great co anchor

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and I think the best weather person in the market. Lindsey's

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unbelievable. We've got three

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producers, one editor, a director,

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two reporters and a camera person. And if even

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one of those people come up short,

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everybody can see it on tv. And so we all got to be in,

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we all got to be locked in. We all got to be doing it. So

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I make sure before those producers leave every day, I thank

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them. I said, if you ever leave without me thinking you, you come back

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and they do a U turn. Say, man, you didn't show me any gratitude today,

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dog. And because it's critical,

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it's critical. So I enjoy TV because I didn't think I was do. I could

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do it, especially later in life like this. And all the things that

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you, this negative self talk that we'll

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get into, you know, you're too old to do it. You're not good looking

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enough, you know, not experienced enough. All these things that we

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talk ourselves out of even trying and you know,

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you know, just getting over it and believing. I had a news director that believed

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I can do it. I had people in San Francisco that believed I can do

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it without experience. Despite that little voice on your shoulder, just slap that

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thing around and knowing what it is and what it isn't, you

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know, and that's, you know, someone else's wounding is someone else's pain, is someone

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else's bullying, whatever it is. And then once you're able

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to understand what it is and what it isn't, then you can

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hopefully make some choices that empower you and maybe

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empower others. Right. And I would in some

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ways, you know, I'm. I do the sales and commercial side. I've

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never talked about that on the podcast. And you know, KOLO gave me a

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chance too to get out here to live near my son. And

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this is where I wanted to live. And I combined that

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whole on camera stuff with sales stuff. And I think at

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some point you just, you. Someone gives you a chance to.

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It's a new industry for me in a way. I've done sales and I've done

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media, but putting it together was a new thing. So that's.

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It's nice when someone just gives you a shot and

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there's good people there. In life, you know, here by the self made, this

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self made, that bottom line is like someone's got to say yes. You know, someone's

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got to say yes to your idea, your business Idea. Your job application,

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your asking for a date, whatever. Someone's got to

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say yes. And, you know, without that, it doesn't happen.

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So I'm grateful for all the people along the way that that says yes, including

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that program director that saw something in me doing

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radio at $5 and 50 cents an hour, because without that, all

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the chain reaction of everything else doesn't happen. Then the next thing. And the

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next thing. Yeah. Have you noticed a difference in

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fans from radio to tv? I imagine you get

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noticed more on tv, of course, because it's video. Oh,

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absolutely. I mean, in. In radio,

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you get noticed from making public appearances. So

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in the 90s, you know, I did a lot of high schools and

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nightclubs and car dealers and things like that. So those people

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recognize you, and then they're coming out to see you. So they haven't

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recognized you. They only recognize your voice, and then they get to meet you in

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person. Yeah. You know, here, everywhere we go, you know,

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Rebecca and I will see somebody that, hey,

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aren't you, you know, give you a little side look, whether it's the gym

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or whatever. And it's,

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you know, you hope they like you, but. But you do get noticed because

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it's. Because it's a visual medium. Yeah. And then

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sometimes, because I've witnessed this, when we went to that one concert

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with Amy, the Amy Grant concert that you had tickets to, and that you interviewed

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her, may or may not be your crush. I'm just gonna say,

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I'll come back. Not gonna admit

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anything, but, you know, there was a lady who

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stopped you and said, you know, this is the best show, and I watch you

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all the time, and you're the best in the market, and I love you the

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most. I'm. I'm paraphrasing, obviously, but, yeah,

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she was. That's a quote. She was a fan. That's not an exact quote. No,

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I think that was an exact quote. That's actually

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an exact quote. An exact quote is

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what that is. But the community here is just great. I mean, the.

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For sure. A couple months into our

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show, I discovered the very first show, which was January 14th

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of 2024. And

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I was completely new to this, and I remember watching, oh, my God, I

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suck. And so I. I went to our news director

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and I said, hey, thank you for sticking. It's now six months into it, I

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go, hey, I want to thank you, because I saw that first show, and I

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wasn't very good. And he. He says, hey, dude, it's just about putting in

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the reps. You know, I. I've seen what you can do and other medium

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is just, you know, learning the skills of this thing and the

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repetitions, just like learning how to play guitar or,

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you know, any skill. Surfing, golf, you know, it's just practicing and

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getting better with the reps. So I used to be a snob thinking about, hey,

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you can either do it or you can't do it. You know, whether it's actor

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or tv, you're, you're talented or you're not talented, but it is about putting in

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the reps. And so, you know, now we got a year and a half of

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reps under our belts together. You know, we're still learning,

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we're still a work in progress with, you know, when

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someone takes over this, this part of the show or, you know,

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making eye contact in certain moments when we're off camera, which no one can see,

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you know, it's, it's a work in progress constantly. And we're always trying to

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get better. Yeah, yeah, well, and doing

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a great job. But there is something I think about. You know, life

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teaches you how to, how to stay in humility, right? Oh, gosh, yeah.

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No, life keeps you humble. Yeah.

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When you think you got it, got it going on, you know,

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something will hit you when you least expect it.

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So I thought, I thought before I came up here, I had it made

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because I had done three films

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that had won awards. One of them I co wrote San Francisco Film

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Festival and multiple play by play

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gigs and volunteering and just feeling like, hey, I'm

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a good person. And then as October of

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2018, and I remember the exact day, but it was in

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that month. And I, I told my wife, hey, I, I don't know where

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all this is coming because it's so many different directions, but they were all good.

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Everything was good. And I said, I think I'm becoming the man I want to

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be. Yeah, it's gonna do great.

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This would be a great story to tell on Mary Meyer's podcast someday.

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And then a month later, she said she wanted a divorce. So,

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you know, oh, goodness, that. And I thought, man, I thought I'd describe someone that

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was pretty cool right there. But, you know, the bottom line is

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there's never a breakup that's 100 0. It

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doesn't have to be 50 50, but it doesn't have to be 100 0. And

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you know, bottom line, all that cool stuff I was doing by myself,

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so I wasn't tuned into the

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relationship that should have mattered the most. You know, I'm an empty nesting

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parent. At that point. So I'm doing stuff that just gets me off, and I

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love doing. I'm trying to get good at everything. But as parents that pour

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all their energy into their kids, you know, you. When they're

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gone, you either have an opportunity

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to get, you know, a lot closer, the kids are gone, or you splinter.

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And, you know, that's the direction we,

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you know, headed. And you always have to

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accept those consequences for those things. So I thought I was doing

450
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some great stuff, but I was doing it on my own.

451
00:28:20,970 --> 00:28:24,610
That's tough. Well, let's dive into the tough stuff, because you

452
00:28:24,610 --> 00:28:28,370
opened the door to that. So. And I have also divorced. My divorce was longer

453
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:31,750
ago, so I lose track. I think maybe nine years ago, but,

454
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:35,950
you know, there's nothing after. I think we were together over. Well, we were

455
00:28:35,950 --> 00:28:38,550
together over two decades, maybe 23, 24 years.

456
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:42,550
So I know you were married for. Shoot, Mary.

457
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:47,029
Our divorce was final four days shy of our

458
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:50,790
30th anniversary. Yeah. So that's painful.

459
00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:54,430
That's painful. Like, you couldn't get to the 30. There's no way. Hey, you're close

460
00:28:54,430 --> 00:28:58,190
to the third. No, sorry. Not

461
00:28:58,190 --> 00:29:01,860
that it had been awesome at 30, you know, but it just sucks more that

462
00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:05,660
it didn't get to 30. Yeah. And it's an interesting thing.

463
00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:08,460
I don't even know what there. What kind of words there is to put into

464
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:12,300
that, that you made it for decades. And then, you know, then you're like, this

465
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:15,820
is not. Our experiences, I think, were way different.

466
00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:19,580
But. Yeah, but. So, like, just let's

467
00:29:19,580 --> 00:29:23,340
focus, like, because we don't want to get too negative about talking

468
00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:26,980
about the ins and outs of a divorce. It's not

469
00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:30,660
negative. It's not. I mean, she's someone,

470
00:29:30,820 --> 00:29:34,540
like, I'll tell her I told the story because it's all good. But we talk

471
00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:37,860
about four times a week, you know, we.

472
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:40,660
She's become a better friend, you know, now

473
00:29:42,740 --> 00:29:45,860
you kind of see things a little bit differently. But,

474
00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:51,540
you know, she's someone that. When I had my hip surgery,

475
00:29:52,670 --> 00:29:56,190
the first call I had was from her. You know,

476
00:29:56,990 --> 00:30:00,110
that's good. I have some success on the show. First call, I guess, from her.

477
00:30:00,670 --> 00:30:04,430
Oh, good. So, you know, she's a great friend and a huge

478
00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:07,550
advocate. I saw her this last weekend at a party down in Southern California,

479
00:30:07,869 --> 00:30:11,510
hanging out. So some people kind of roll their eyes, like, what are you

480
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:14,510
doing? But we spent all those years together,

481
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:19,020
and we're grandparents, so let's make it

482
00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:22,780
a good thing. Yeah. So what are the. Some of the things that

483
00:30:22,780 --> 00:30:25,700
you did to kind of get through divorce

484
00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:30,380
that you feel like are healthy. Like, we probably do some

485
00:30:30,380 --> 00:30:33,940
things that maybe aren't healthy, too, which is

486
00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:37,780
part of the deal, but. Well, the. The health part of it is

487
00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:42,900
huge. And I got into exercise when I was

488
00:30:43,550 --> 00:30:46,710
19 years old. Kind of an escape. I mean, you transform your body and you

489
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:49,750
feel good and all those things, and you try to look good on a tank

490
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:53,590
top, but I. I just felt good doing it. So I just. You

491
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:57,190
know, when my. When I'm bummed out or when I get stressed

492
00:30:57,190 --> 00:31:00,190
before my kids say, hey, why don't you just go to the gym, dad? Get

493
00:31:00,190 --> 00:31:03,910
out of here. So I really worked

494
00:31:03,910 --> 00:31:07,590
on my health, you know, just kind of losing myself in

495
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:11,320
it. We have some addiction history in our family, and if you're going to be

496
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,000
addicted to something, working out, it's pretty good. So better

497
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,120
than other choices. Heck, yeah. So I can see people

498
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,000
visualizing that. God, you look incredible. Your life must

499
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,240
be falling apart. It must be a mess.

500
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,320
Yeah, get nice, good abs there. You want to

501
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,200
do some therapy, but that's been a healthy thing. And

502
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,050
then I think for anybody that might be sad is if you can

503
00:31:37,050 --> 00:31:40,050
give to something else. You know, it's hard to feel

504
00:31:41,890 --> 00:31:45,490
bad and have that pity party if you're creating value for other people.

505
00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:49,370
So, you know, I worked with Parkinson's disease patients, special

506
00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:52,770
needs adults, and, you know, making a difference in someone's life,

507
00:31:53,650 --> 00:31:57,490
that's a great therapeutic tool for anyone that's

508
00:31:57,490 --> 00:32:00,500
dealing with some kind of sadness or changes. Hey, what can I give to you?

509
00:32:01,290 --> 00:32:03,690
You know, homeless ministry I worked with, and

510
00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:08,650
I just thought, hey, you know, it's not all about. I

511
00:32:08,650 --> 00:32:11,730
mean, my life is all about me. But if I can create some value to

512
00:32:11,730 --> 00:32:15,530
someone else, you feel good about it, and I'd recommend that. Yeah, maybe that, you

513
00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:18,650
know, they're working out. Not everyone's going to be into. I mean, I think it's

514
00:32:18,650 --> 00:32:22,290
a good thing, but I think anybody can give to someone else, you know,

515
00:32:22,290 --> 00:32:26,090
create value for someone else. Yeah, well. And hope everyone should be able to

516
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:29,650
exercise at some point. Oh, I know. But as far as, like, being maniacal about

517
00:32:29,650 --> 00:32:33,480
it, you know. Yeah, that's a little bit maniacal working out,

518
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,440
but movement, I don't. Yeah, it gets the endorphins moving. So

519
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,160
movements, the medicine, you know, that's. Yeah, like, that's.

520
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,800
That's good advice. You. You move and you give

521
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,360
back so you're not thinking about yourself. That seems really solid.

522
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,200
There was some. Some Tony Robbins thing I remember years and

523
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,050
years ago, and he said that your physiology helps determine how you feel. You

524
00:32:56,050 --> 00:32:59,450
know, so if you looked up on the sky, you looked up at the ceiling,

525
00:32:59,450 --> 00:33:02,970
you had this big, sh. Type

526
00:33:02,970 --> 00:33:06,290
grin. I don't know if I can say the word on your podcast,

527
00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:10,370
but you're. But you're eating it. And if you smile while you're doing

528
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:14,050
it, you know, it's impossible to feel bad. I challenge you to feel

529
00:33:14,290 --> 00:33:18,010
lousy or sad by looking up and smiling at the ceiling. So it shows

530
00:33:18,010 --> 00:33:21,330
that, you know, controlling how you move your body, like, impacts, you know, how you

531
00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:25,160
feel about things. So imagine being able to switch that instantly by. Yeah.

532
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,840
How you move, how you. How you smile, what your posture is like.

533
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,720
That's a pretty good tip. Yeah, Posture is huge. You know,

534
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,520
I. You know, it's interesting. I was so depressed one Sunday,

535
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,120
and I. There was not a real reason why, and I went and I

536
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,760
put my hands in the dirt of my son's house to pull some

537
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,520
weeds. And like that, I felt better. But there's supposed to be a thing

538
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,680
about that ridiculous hands in dirt that's ridiculous. Like.

539
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:56,780
Like that. Hands in dirt. No, it's true.

540
00:33:57,420 --> 00:34:00,220
Listen, listen, listen, listen.

541
00:34:02,380 --> 00:34:06,140
There is something to it. I don't know, but just connecting, I think. Connecting. I

542
00:34:06,140 --> 00:34:09,940
mean, sunshine, movement, connecting to the ground, connecting

543
00:34:09,940 --> 00:34:13,620
to other humans, skipping all these things. It

544
00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:17,420
seems like at a. Endorphin releases, it's a. It's a feeling of

545
00:34:17,420 --> 00:34:20,969
accomplishment to get rid of weeds. I like that. No, it's. It.

546
00:34:20,969 --> 00:34:24,809
There's science in it. It's just science. We've not heard very often, but

547
00:34:24,809 --> 00:34:28,249
I listen to all that geeky stuff, so I listen to

548
00:34:28,249 --> 00:34:31,969
geekier stuff and. And look at videos of planting a garden because I

549
00:34:31,969 --> 00:34:35,689
don't do it. So I'm. There's that. The hands in the dirt,

550
00:34:35,689 --> 00:34:38,129
you know, could have been a mic drop to end the show, but I'm not

551
00:34:38,129 --> 00:34:40,329
going to let it. I'm not going to let it end that way. Not gonna

552
00:34:40,329 --> 00:34:43,249
let it. No. You're not gonna let that end the show. No. That's just an

553
00:34:43,249 --> 00:34:46,969
aside I have. You know, it's my. It's the quirky side, you can call it,

554
00:34:46,969 --> 00:34:50,089
but one day you're gonna see something come across the newsfeed about

555
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:54,560
how just having your hands in dirt is. I'll

556
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,360
bring a little bit on the set. You know, if I'm stressed out between the

557
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,680
A block and the B, I can just put my hands in the side.

558
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,280
Yeah, yeah, I have some. Have some next to me. Yeah,

559
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,600
that was Not. That was not an aside that was supposed to be in this

560
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,400
podcast at all. This is just free now. I'm not charging extra to anyone

561
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,720
for that little tidbit. That's a joke.

562
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,540
Okay, back to you. That

563
00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:23,340
took us so far off. Okay, we're gonna go back to the things that help.

564
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:27,340
So you. Okay. So going back to Dave. David

565
00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:30,540
did a major transition, life transition from moving to

566
00:35:30,540 --> 00:35:34,380
California to Reno, Nevada, from doing a lot of things

567
00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:38,060
that were, you know, not news to doing full time

568
00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:41,740
news on camera, finalizing

569
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:45,420
a divorce and having a hip surgery. That's all happened in the

570
00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:49,180
last year. That's a lot of stuff, David. Yes, a lot

571
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:52,860
of stuff. It is. It is a lot of

572
00:35:52,860 --> 00:35:56,180
stuff. So that's kind of still standing.

573
00:35:56,500 --> 00:36:00,340
You're still standing. What was it like? What about the part of moving

574
00:36:00,340 --> 00:36:03,540
to a different city in a different state? Like what. What kept you

575
00:36:03,779 --> 00:36:07,540
sane in that part of it or was what was hard in it?

576
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:11,100
Either one. Well, I never left California for

577
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,940
anything, you know, professionally. I visited other states, but I never worked or

578
00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:18,560
lived anywhere else. So that part

579
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,360
was unsettling. The no state taxes is settling,

580
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,280
but picking up your life. You know, I,

581
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,400
I drove a pier by myself and

582
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,280
was crying for four hours. So I didn't, you

583
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,320
know, make that move, you know, with full of

584
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,840
energy and saying, yeah, I'm doing this. It was, it was unnerving,

585
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:49,550
you know, until I took the mic, you know, that first day and everyone else

586
00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:53,230
made me feel good about it. It's. Yeah, yeah, it's. Change

587
00:36:53,230 --> 00:36:56,870
is scary, especially when you've had this comfort zone. I lived in my

588
00:36:56,870 --> 00:37:00,630
same house for 23 years, transformed

589
00:37:00,630 --> 00:37:03,510
it, remodeled it, it became my place, that

590
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:08,070
I made it perfect. And to spend the

591
00:37:08,070 --> 00:37:11,700
last few years making it perfect and having to leave it was

592
00:37:12,340 --> 00:37:16,100
as hard as anything. Yeah. You know,

593
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:19,780
then the year before that, lost two dogs in the span of six weeks.

594
00:37:20,660 --> 00:37:24,260
So that was traumatic. But,

595
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:28,260
you know, you just, you know, faith is a part of it. You know, I'm.

596
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:33,700
I never attended church until my late 20s and

597
00:37:34,740 --> 00:37:38,460
I'm certainly flawed, but it's a part of the whole

598
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:42,300
thing to know that if I go someplace and I'm alone, I know I'm not.

599
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:46,860
And that's, you know, a big part of this whole thing.

600
00:37:47,420 --> 00:37:51,260
Yeah, that's beautiful. Well, and I appreciate

601
00:37:51,260 --> 00:37:54,980
about you that you're very, you're not positive because you're

602
00:37:54,980 --> 00:37:58,820
just ignore the emotions of the, the hard stuff, you know,

603
00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:01,820
you're willing to kind of feel it. I feel, you know, you feel it

604
00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:06,550
and Then you move through it is what I see you doing.

605
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:10,270
I've kind of watched here and there in the last year and a half.

606
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:12,990
And then also you had a grandson born

607
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:19,630
a big year and a half, hasn't it? Yeah, well, the. The

608
00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:23,390
whole. The whole being enough, being good

609
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:27,110
enough, that kind of came full circle, full circle with

610
00:38:27,110 --> 00:38:30,550
my grandson because my son called me in February

611
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:34,390
of 24 saying that he was going to have a boy.

612
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:38,950
And they had the name. He said,

613
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:42,070
are you ready? I go, yeah, this is David

614
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:45,910
Archer. What do you think?

615
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:49,910
I told him I. I couldn't tell him what I thought

616
00:38:52,070 --> 00:38:55,800
because his parents would just. There's no manual for it. So

617
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,320
you do the best you can. You make errors. You know, sometimes the

618
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,000
punishment's too strict or not enough or you didn't communicate this. You're not a good

619
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,840
role model in this area. And in

620
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,920
that moment, I knew I'd been enough.

621
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,320
And so all these games you play with yourself over the years, hey, if I

622
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,600
do this, you know I'm going to feel good. If I make more money, I'll

623
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,370
do this. Or if I have this kind of a car or this type

624
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:25,970
of relationship. But, you know, it all does come from

625
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:29,490
within. So when he. When he told me that, it

626
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:33,410
meant everything. And I played that on television with Rebecca. We played

627
00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:37,130
that part where he told me that and I told the story. I'm crying there

628
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:39,330
on the chair because it's.

629
00:39:40,690 --> 00:39:42,450
It's one of the best days of my life.

630
00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:47,290
There's something I. Cause I, you know, I moved to Reno. You know this because

631
00:39:47,290 --> 00:39:50,660
I have a grandchild. I've not said that on the back podcast either. But

632
00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:54,180
there's something that's. It's like becoming a parent for the first time.

633
00:39:54,980 --> 00:39:58,620
You know, getting married, leaving the house, going to college,

634
00:39:58,620 --> 00:40:01,540
getting married, having your first child, and then,

635
00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:04,500
you know, having the grandchild is like,

636
00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:10,180
I don't know, the earth gets shinier, don't you think? Oh, gosh,

637
00:40:10,340 --> 00:40:14,140
my day could be horrible. And then

638
00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:17,660
we FaceTime every week. And

639
00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:21,900
when I just see the smile, I mean, there's. There's nothing at

640
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:24,620
the station that could ruin my day. There's no

641
00:40:26,140 --> 00:40:29,900
debt that I have to pay or anything else. Nothing matters.

642
00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:33,580
I go to bed with my heart full

643
00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:38,140
after interacting. So his birthday is August 1st, so I'm going back to

644
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:42,060
Tennessee in a couple weeks, and I can't wait. It's

645
00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:45,780
going to be awesome. You have to pry that guy out of my hands, because

646
00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:49,470
it's. It's the best. Yeah, there is

647
00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:53,230
something so beautiful about that and settling, you

648
00:40:53,230 --> 00:40:56,950
know, with a lot of life transition. But, you know, I

649
00:40:56,950 --> 00:41:00,390
think in some ways it's like life. Life hands a lot of

650
00:41:00,390 --> 00:41:04,150
transition, and it's. Even if everything goes kind of the way you want it

651
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:06,830
to and you hope it will, you're still going to deal with a lot of

652
00:41:06,830 --> 00:41:09,990
transition. And it can catch us off guard

653
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:14,150
and then send us spiraling, I

654
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:17,310
think, and into a lot of negative, you know,

655
00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:22,870
you know, negative. Not just negative talk, but negative thought

656
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:26,110
patterns that are hard to. To shake. And,

657
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:30,430
and then if there's any traumatic. If it, if it's traumatic in any ways, then

658
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:34,230
it can get locked in even worse. So that's part of the

659
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:37,830
reason I like to talk about these things because, you know, I would like people

660
00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:41,490
to know they're not alone. They're not the only one that's dealt

661
00:41:41,490 --> 00:41:45,210
with that. And I think you, you

662
00:41:45,210 --> 00:41:47,730
are an inspiring voice in terms of

663
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:52,930
you feel it, you're not like, not feeling it, but you're rolling with it

664
00:41:53,570 --> 00:41:57,370
and in a good direction. Yeah. I don't think you can

665
00:41:57,370 --> 00:42:01,170
put a, a timetable like, hey, I'm going to do

666
00:42:01,170 --> 00:42:04,970
this by like, you just know when it's right. I mean,

667
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:07,290
you can want to make these changes. I mean, I kind of referring to like,

668
00:42:07,290 --> 00:42:10,610
the personal stuff like dating and things like that. Like, I don't have

669
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:15,590
a personal go. I want to have a, you know, great girlfriend by this

670
00:42:15,590 --> 00:42:19,190
time. This time. Because then you, then you make choices that are bogus. Like you

671
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:22,790
just do something just to do something, and it

672
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:25,310
happens when it's meant to happen. You have to be ready for it. You have

673
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:29,150
to prepare yourself, make yourself better and, you know, have your,

674
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:33,390
your personal boxes all checked off, but just trying

675
00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:37,190
to, you know, do something because you. And you

676
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:40,190
might not be ready for it or you make the wrong choice. You know, I

677
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:43,390
think that's a recipe for disaster. Yeah,

678
00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:47,470
that's. That seems like. That seems good, like, good advice.

679
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:50,910
Yeah, no, I've had some experiences.

680
00:42:51,310 --> 00:42:54,910
You know, we don't have enough time on the podcast, but things like that.

681
00:42:55,070 --> 00:42:57,950
It's just when it's. When it's. When it's right, it's right, you know, and it's

682
00:42:57,950 --> 00:43:00,830
not. It's not. Yeah. Well,

683
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,040
I can understand that. So let me ask you this. So you

684
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,560
both with. I know yours kind of overlap the divorce and moving to a new

685
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,880
city, and sometimes those things do overlap

686
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,520
and come together, like where there's just a lot of transition at once.

687
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,840
But what did you, what did you do just to kind of find

688
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,440
community in either. In either

689
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,290
way, post divorce or then moving. Like, how has that

690
00:43:28,290 --> 00:43:31,970
been? Like, what action steps? You think things

691
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:35,170
were helpful? Well, I mean, some of the stuff we already

692
00:43:35,650 --> 00:43:39,250
touched on to do something, you know, for other people. So

693
00:43:39,330 --> 00:43:43,170
I have some I, I see on a regular basis here that I

694
00:43:43,170 --> 00:43:46,890
can help with exercise and chores and, and

695
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:50,450
things like that. It's just good to feel like you're bringing some value to the

696
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:52,970
world. And we all need a circle of people that you can trust, that are

697
00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:56,770
not judgmental, that you can lean on. So some

698
00:43:56,770 --> 00:44:00,570
of my best friends are my actor friends because we. I've been told

699
00:44:00,570 --> 00:44:04,250
this too. Like, the more you practice acting these roles, you have more

700
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:08,090
empathy for other people. Because we're not supposed to judge our characters.

701
00:44:08,090 --> 00:44:11,850
We're supposed to rationalize and

702
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:15,850
accept what they are, not say, that's a bad person or this isn't it. We,

703
00:44:15,930 --> 00:44:19,770
Everyone does stuff because they think it's right. And so the more you

704
00:44:19,770 --> 00:44:23,490
do that, you can deal with people differently

705
00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:27,050
and have empathy. So, like, like a lot of my best friends are actors, you

706
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:30,890
know, they, they, whether they've experienced exactly what I have or not, you

707
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:34,570
know, they. They can imagine or tap into

708
00:44:34,570 --> 00:44:37,130
it and be empathetic and be that

709
00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:41,890
shoulder to cry on, which I've had, or just someone

710
00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:45,450
to chat with. Yeah, that's very true. Because

711
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:47,930
acting, you. You really have to go inward to

712
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,360
find. Find that place where it's authentic to you. Otherwise, you can see it

713
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,880
on, in your eyes that it's not authentic. So that's really good. See, that's a

714
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,400
good little actor tip too. For everybody who's wanting to do acting

715
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:04,559
or just wants to do life better. Do not judge the character.

716
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,320
Do not judge the character or the characters in your life.

717
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:08,880
Yeah.

718
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,160
And then everyone, also,

719
00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:19,220
everyone's thoughts on the world, it's right to them, you know,

720
00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:22,460
So I don't have a right to tell someone, hey, it's, you know, BS that

721
00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:25,700
you feel this way or, you know, get over it.

722
00:45:26,020 --> 00:45:29,460
Everyone's experience is authentic to them.

723
00:45:30,180 --> 00:45:33,900
So I learned that from a therapist, a friend of

724
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,940
mine. So if you can do that, you know, when they talk to you, hey,

725
00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:39,700
it makes sense that you feel this way. It makes sense that this

726
00:45:40,580 --> 00:45:44,040
causes you to react in this way, because it does to them. And, and so

727
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,880
maybe you want to reframe it and be able to channel that in a different

728
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,480
direction, but everyone's feelings are appropriate

729
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,240
to them. Yeah, that's true.

730
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,839
True that. So I never tell someone that they're stupid for feeling that, because

731
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:03,640
it's not, you know, does that mean, like, my way is the only

732
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,360
way that world should be viewed and it's not. So if you can take yourself

733
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,190
away from that and you can be much more accepting, you know,

734
00:46:11,230 --> 00:46:14,870
we should just. Throw those into, you know, political arguments on Facebook, see how it

735
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:18,710
works. I stay away from that. I've had too many family arguments

736
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:22,430
with anything referring to politics on Facebook. I know,

737
00:46:22,830 --> 00:46:26,270
that's why it's a joke. But it's, I agree. It's, it's,

738
00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:30,270
it's really hard, I think, especially with the world where we

739
00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:33,870
keep hearing what we agree with. That's how algorithms work.

740
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:37,560
And so then we become more and more convinced of what we know. So I

741
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,120
had that talk with my last guest about that and about

742
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,800
schemas. We develop these mindsets, right? Our

743
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,320
schemas about what's good, what's bad, based on just, you know, our experience

744
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,120
in life. And those can be based on things

745
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,800
that are not accurate,

746
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,120
biased, not fully developed. They're kind

747
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,440
of knee jerk reaction stuff. So becoming aware of them, which I think is what

748
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,930
you're talking about, just, just kind of becoming aware of what our own thoughts are

749
00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:09,650
and then having some empathy for other people in different situations.

750
00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:14,330
Hey, I mean, I've had to play a serial killer, so I don't know about

751
00:47:14,330 --> 00:47:17,810
you. That's very believable. That is very believable.

752
00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:22,170
It's totally my archetype. So, I mean, if you didn't have. To dig deep

753
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:22,850
for that one.

754
00:47:26,290 --> 00:47:29,650
That one was right at the surface. So that one was super easy. But,

755
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,520
you know, I had actually had. This is an incredible experience. I had someone,

756
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,360
the lady at the returns at the Amazon counter

757
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,400
at Whole Foods, she's like, I know you. I'm like, I don't think you do.

758
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,360
She's like, I've seen you in something. I'm like, I kind of doubt it.

759
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,240
But, you know, because I've done shows, but I've not, I've not done that many

760
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:56,080
shows. But then she, she, she treated, she was treating me

761
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,710
like I was an A lister. But she watches the ID channel and I have

762
00:47:59,710 --> 00:48:02,750
a lot of shows on the ID channel. Okay. I think that is the first

763
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:06,070
time that I have someone that I didn't know is like,

764
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:10,230
she lost her mind. She didn't take a picture with me. I mean, she's.

765
00:48:10,310 --> 00:48:14,030
Yeah, that was an experience, but that's what made me think of it. That had

766
00:48:14,030 --> 00:48:17,710
to feel good. Snapped was my, you know, serial

767
00:48:17,710 --> 00:48:21,430
killer moment. Good times. Do you think,

768
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:23,510
do you think acting has affected your

769
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:28,310
television and radio or is radio and television affected your acting?

770
00:48:28,310 --> 00:48:32,140
Do you think those are, do they think, how do they pair together? I think

771
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:35,740
all those experiences, that's where my news director kind of

772
00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:40,140
saw this coming from. Was that the, the radio

773
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:44,860
helped with the spontaneity, the sports help with spontaneity to be in the

774
00:48:44,860 --> 00:48:48,220
moment. Being on camera helped with being on camera.

775
00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:51,820
Yeah, the acting

776
00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:55,580
helped me be more comfortable.

777
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,080
I don't think we're acting on TV doing the news because we're just doing the

778
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,080
news and we're, we're just delivering it. You know, stuff that's

779
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,800
sad or disturbing, you know, sometimes it's hard to

780
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,600
mask that. So I can't be just like a straight faced robot, you

781
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,360
know, all the time. But I think it just helps being more

782
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,000
authentic. You know, I'm too old to give many blanks anymore,

783
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,630
so I just want to go and do it so I don't get too rattled

784
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:28,150
by mistakes or, or things that

785
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:32,070
happen on the show. Live TV is going to catch it all.

786
00:49:32,070 --> 00:49:35,350
So, yeah, like I said, you know, someone that's newer and they're going to be

787
00:49:35,350 --> 00:49:38,470
more nervous or uptight and I just, you know,

788
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:42,710
stuff happens and you just, you just roll with it. So I think, you

789
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:46,310
know, I've been in broadcasting for 40 years, so,

790
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:50,740
man. You must be old. That's jokes. It's jokes. It's

791
00:49:50,740 --> 00:49:51,220
jokes.

792
00:49:54,980 --> 00:49:58,420
Like I said, Madonna, you know, like a version was a new album, you know.

793
00:49:58,420 --> 00:50:02,180
Oh, gosh. And so I think it does help with the, the

794
00:50:02,180 --> 00:50:05,940
learning curve of, of this, you know, I, I don't need to do it

795
00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:09,740
for 10 years before I get good at it because I've done broadcasting

796
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:13,220
for 40 years. There's things that apply some skill sets that

797
00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:15,720
you'll make that curve a little bit, you know, steeper.

798
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,680
And if they thought it would take me 10 years to get good at it,

799
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,480
they wouldn't have hired me. So. Yeah, yeah. So I do think some

800
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,240
of the things translate in life. So, you know, like I said,

801
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:31,720
the play by play, the, the DJing, all of it

802
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,480
comes together, you know, for where we're at today.

803
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,960
Yeah, definitely a very inspirational talk in there

804
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,580
for sure. Transitioning in a career and in life

805
00:50:43,580 --> 00:50:46,900
38 years into your career is not for the faint of heart.

806
00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:50,980
No, you, you are definitely just hit it out of the

807
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:54,660
ballpark in my opinion. Bless your heart. Yeah, bless

808
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:58,380
my heart. No, no, I appreciate the nice words. And you mentioned

809
00:50:58,380 --> 00:51:02,140
38 years. And, and I'll use the word crush loosely

810
00:51:02,140 --> 00:51:05,820
because she might watch this, but Debbie Gibson is my

811
00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:08,970
favorite interview I've ever done. And I

812
00:51:08,970 --> 00:51:12,290
interviewed artists as a

813
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:15,810
dj, so, you know, going back to talking to Janet

814
00:51:15,810 --> 00:51:19,210
Jackson and Paula Abdul and the artists of that era,

815
00:51:19,850 --> 00:51:23,490
Michael Bolton, I was in a bar with Tupac

816
00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:27,210
Shakur and interviewed Biggie Smalls. That was all awesome. And.

817
00:51:28,170 --> 00:51:31,610
But. And I played. And I played Debbie Gibson as a dj.

818
00:51:32,330 --> 00:51:35,130
So when she came to town a month or so ago,

819
00:51:36,330 --> 00:51:40,010
we did a zoom call. And I'm just going to do four or five minutes

820
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:42,770
of TV, but we're talking for 20 minutes. I'm going to take the best part

821
00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:46,530
out of that and put it on there. And I mentioned that at the beginning

822
00:51:46,530 --> 00:51:49,690
of the conversation. I go, this is extra cool for me because,

823
00:51:50,410 --> 00:51:52,930
you know, I want to do good TV and I want to promote your show,

824
00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:56,250
but I played your stuff when you were a kid. This is

825
00:51:56,570 --> 00:52:00,370
awesome. And so. And I knew everything about her life.

826
00:52:00,370 --> 00:52:04,040
I knew that she. I had overcome Lyme disease. I knew her mother passing. I

827
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,800
knew she had some financial challenges. But anyway, over this conversation,

828
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,320
we became friends because it wasn't an interview. We were just

829
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,080
talking, and there was commonalities. We had some old school radio,

830
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,440
and I knew about her life, and she was asking me about my thing, and

831
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,960
it's never too late for her because she's 54 years old, coming back to sing,

832
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,760
and there's just these life parallels. So when

833
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,330
the interview ended, I said, hey, I'm gonna go to your show. And,

834
00:52:29,650 --> 00:52:33,170
you know, hopefully I can, you know, see in person, because we're zooming like this.

835
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:37,330
She goes, well, you. You are. I go, what do you mean? She goes, I'm

836
00:52:37,330 --> 00:52:39,770
gonna give you the number of my manager. You tell him I told you to

837
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:43,530
call, okay? So I

838
00:52:43,530 --> 00:52:46,410
sent him a text and say, hey, you know, Debbie said, you know, I could

839
00:52:46,410 --> 00:52:50,050
go backstage. And he says, yeah, you know, she told me.

840
00:52:50,370 --> 00:52:54,020
So on the night of the show, he couldn't make it, but

841
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:57,660
he put me in touch with somebody else. And then he says, hey, I'm going

842
00:52:57,660 --> 00:53:00,300
to call you in a little bit. So I'm sitting in the show and

843
00:53:01,420 --> 00:53:05,260
opening Axon, and I get a call from this number I don't recognize, a little

844
00:53:05,260 --> 00:53:09,100
town in Missouri. And. But this might be something, you know, it's

845
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:12,620
not. Doesn't look like spam to me. So I pick it up and. Hello.

846
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:17,100
This Dave? Yeah, yeah, this is Derek, Debbie's assistant. Where are you sitting?

847
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:22,270
Well, I'm in the fourth row. I got black Shorts, red T

848
00:53:22,270 --> 00:53:26,110
shirt, okay, I'm coming to get you. And this

849
00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:28,750
wasn't the meet and greet. The meet and greets after the show with all the

850
00:53:28,750 --> 00:53:32,470
other VIP lanyard people. Oh, my God, he's coming to

851
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:36,110
get me. So he whisked me back there. And

852
00:53:36,110 --> 00:53:39,910
she comes knock on the trailer. She comes out to see me. We had like,

853
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:43,670
we had such a great talk. We hug. She brings her dog out. I knew

854
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:46,060
she was a dog mom. I go, hey, like you even more because I know

855
00:53:46,060 --> 00:53:49,900
you're a dog mom. So. And then she went on to

856
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:53,300
put this tour de force performance on afterwards. So I just see all these life

857
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:56,540
parallels and she's a nice person and was willing to share her life.

858
00:53:57,180 --> 00:54:00,900
It wasn't I ask, you answer, I ask. And I've got this

859
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:04,340
list of questions because those interviews suck, but if you can have a conversation with

860
00:54:04,340 --> 00:54:08,100
somebody. So it was totally real. You

861
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:11,070
know, like I said, we come from the same generation. We've had some, some similar

862
00:54:11,070 --> 00:54:14,270
experiences. And so I use the word crush, but I just think she's a good

863
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:18,070
person. And yeah, like I said, I saw root for people like that that

864
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:22,030
I like. Super talented, but I can tell there's a great soul there.

865
00:54:22,030 --> 00:54:25,750
And you gravitate to people like that. Yeah. And don't you

866
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:29,270
just. You like the ones, the famous people to be pseudo

867
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:33,070
famous, Totally famous. You want them all to be good people. Oh, yeah. It's

868
00:54:33,070 --> 00:54:36,830
so much more fun when you know they're good people. Oh,

869
00:54:36,830 --> 00:54:40,630
she's the best. Hey, and I want maybe your audience. Maybe she sees

870
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:44,270
your podcast. Debbie, I'm inviting you to my

871
00:54:44,590 --> 00:54:48,230
speech, August 12, National Auto

872
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:51,790
Museum in Reno. I'll get you backstage to my

873
00:54:51,790 --> 00:54:52,190
show.

874
00:54:55,950 --> 00:54:59,310
Perfect. Well, I'm going to be there, so maybe she's going to be there too.

875
00:54:59,310 --> 00:55:02,950
There's a bunch of people from town are going to be there. You bet.

876
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:06,350
It's get the whole station out. I'm excited about it because

877
00:55:06,590 --> 00:55:10,310
I am too. When I. When I met with the

878
00:55:10,310 --> 00:55:13,390
director of the auto museum a few months ago, we were just talking life

879
00:55:13,950 --> 00:55:17,750
and I knew some of the people that had spoken before. And he

880
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:21,310
says, you got a great story. I said, well, you know, someday I'll tell it

881
00:55:21,310 --> 00:55:24,710
here. And then over the last few months, we were talking more about it and

882
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:28,240
then, okay, let's lock in the date. So now I'm

883
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:31,960
committed. I can't back out. It's on the website. People are buying

884
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,600
tickets and the way they sold, I go, I

885
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,400
gotta be good. I better be good. So there's

886
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,200
a lot of work to do, but it's going to be a journey on not

887
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,360
just career, but on life. And that voice, that voice that

888
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,920
takes away our power, you know, you're not smart enough,

889
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,040
you're not good enough, you're too tall, too short, too fat, all those things.

890
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,360
A voice that, you know, every now and then I still hear, but just knowing

891
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,200
what it is and what it isn't and, and then some people need to

892
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,080
feel good about where they are. They don't need to worry about like we're talking

893
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,600
about these changes and pivots and all that, which is awesome. You know, people need

894
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,040
to do that. But some people need to feel good about who they are. You

895
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,640
know, like they, they, they're, they're already a great mom, they're already great

896
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,080
husband and a great parent, they're already good in their careers. And they don't need

897
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,450
to feel like they're comparing themselves to them person next door. If I only had

898
00:56:21,690 --> 00:56:25,170
a car like that, if I only could drop 10 more pounds. Hey, I want

899
00:56:25,170 --> 00:56:28,650
people to love themselves, so I want to hit that sweet spot for everybody, whether

900
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:31,530
they need to feel good about where they are and if we want to make

901
00:56:31,530 --> 00:56:35,330
some changes. And that way everybody wins that day. Yeah, that's

902
00:56:35,330 --> 00:56:39,090
beautiful. Being in the moment. Well, being in the moment is part of healing

903
00:56:39,090 --> 00:56:42,610
too, in my, in my opinion. I think, you know, like, I loved going on

904
00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:44,970
walks and I was going through the worst of it in the, in the woods.

905
00:56:44,970 --> 00:56:48,560
Because you're lost in the moment, you know. Yeah.

906
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:52,520
And be happy in the moment. I, I'll think about when you, what

907
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,240
you just said there. Being happy in the moment, putting on makeup at

908
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,920
2:00 in the morning. I'm saying I'm in the moment, man. And Mary

909
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:03,200
would be proud right now. Now you're full of it. I am.

910
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:08,080
I've never thought that. I've never thought that at 2 o' clock

911
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,320
in the morning. I remember when you first told me that you're getting up at

912
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,000
2 o' clock in the morning. And I'm like, I'm just. I was, it was

913
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,080
peculiar to me in some ways because I'm like, well, he must have been doing

914
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,880
this forever. Like, why are they talking about this? But like, that's,

915
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,080
no, this is. That maybe that's the hardest part of this

916
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,600
transition is getting up at 2 in the morning. It does sound

917
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,440
horrible. Oh, no. I don't care who hears this.

918
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,360
That part sucks because it's, it impacts your social

919
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,360
life, you know, because you go to bed at 8 o' clock to pull it

920
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,360
off. So I can't stay up at all. And even on the weekend I'm tired

921
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,080
because my body's conditioned. And before I took the job, I

922
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,600
wanted to see if I could do it. Like, yeah, yeah, I can come Reno

923
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,400
and be on TV and we'll be number one. But like, can you get up

924
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,000
at 2 o'? Clock? So I did get

925
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,759
up at 2, you know, in the Bay Area to see if I could. All

926
00:57:58,759 --> 00:58:01,640
right. And so after I did it for a week, I go, okay, I can

927
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,360
do this. Now long term, that would be like the one thing.

928
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,140
Like, hey, we're successful, we do a good show. But

929
00:58:09,370 --> 00:58:12,090
can I physically do this for years and years and years? And that would be

930
00:58:12,090 --> 00:58:15,930
the one thing that I weigh. Long term, not today. Right now

931
00:58:15,930 --> 00:58:19,490
I'm living in the moment, putting on the makeup at 2. But later

932
00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:23,330
on it'd be the physical toll. And you know,

933
00:58:23,330 --> 00:58:26,570
can I get myself to feel physically good at

934
00:58:28,170 --> 00:58:31,530
2 in the morning? You know, without that cup of coffee

935
00:58:32,090 --> 00:58:35,210
and the nap, the mandatory 90 minute nap every day?

936
00:58:36,190 --> 00:58:39,950
Yeah, that's huge. I don't even know

937
00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:42,990
like that. That sounds really, really rough. I'm not gonna lie.

938
00:58:43,310 --> 00:58:47,110
It's. But I'd rather do that than I would not want to be

939
00:58:47,110 --> 00:58:50,830
on the 11 o' clock news. That. Because then you're up to working till

940
00:58:50,830 --> 00:58:53,430
mid. So you never go out at night ever. So you never have dinner with

941
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:56,910
anybody ever, except on the weekend. And,

942
00:58:57,790 --> 00:59:00,910
and then you're always up till 1 o' clock in the morning

943
00:59:02,410 --> 00:59:06,090
from work. So it's not like you're out having fun and walk like you're, you've

944
00:59:06,090 --> 00:59:09,850
been on a computer and you've been doing TV then. So I, I'd

945
00:59:09,850 --> 00:59:12,690
rather do the morning if I can get my body right. I could stay up

946
00:59:12,690 --> 00:59:15,170
a little bit. I can live a little bit. I can. I go to Taco

947
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:17,930
Tuesdays, you know, go out and do that.

948
00:59:19,050 --> 00:59:22,130
Yeah, I'm gonna go to an Aces game next week, stay for a couple innings

949
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:24,770
because I get to throw out the first pitch on Tuesday. So I'll stay up

950
00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:28,370
till 9:00. Clock on Tuesday, the 22nd. Okay,

951
00:59:28,370 --> 00:59:32,170
well. So, but anyway, I'd rather do

952
00:59:32,250 --> 00:59:36,010
this the early morning than working late at night because that would

953
00:59:36,010 --> 00:59:39,810
be brutal. Last

954
00:59:39,810 --> 00:59:43,649
question. Are you doing any acting still here in Reno? Not

955
00:59:43,649 --> 00:59:47,330
in Reno. My. I don't know if I can because

956
00:59:47,330 --> 00:59:51,090
like the station controls like what I can do. It's never come

957
00:59:51,090 --> 00:59:54,850
up in a conversation. So I can't do Like a local commercial.

958
00:59:55,970 --> 00:59:59,570
And I think there's probably a credibility component too. You know, if I'm some smart

959
00:59:59,570 --> 01:00:02,730
alec waiter, you know, throwing water at somebody and I'm on the news, you know,

960
01:00:02,730 --> 01:00:05,250
I think there's kind of this weird visual of that

961
01:00:06,370 --> 01:00:09,410
I can do sports in the market, on the radio, but I can't do TV

962
01:00:10,210 --> 01:00:13,890
because it's. There's definitely a conflict there. So my acting's in the Bay

963
01:00:13,890 --> 01:00:17,410
Area. I've got an agent in the city, so I audition for stuff there.

964
01:00:17,410 --> 01:00:20,460
Audition for a commercial. I had one I auditioned for. I thought I had a

965
01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:23,980
shot to get at the All Star break for the NBA. Didn't get it. But,

966
01:00:23,980 --> 01:00:27,740
you know, it's. It's a numbers thing. And as an actor,

967
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:31,740
we're supposed to be conditioned to say having a good audition

968
01:00:32,220 --> 01:00:34,940
is the job. You know, if you can feel good about that,

969
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:39,380
booking the gig is just gravy. But it's doing good work in

970
01:00:39,380 --> 01:00:43,020
your audition. So I want to carve out time to do more classes

971
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:46,020
and that'll be the next thing I do because there's a couple of great coaches

972
01:00:46,020 --> 01:00:49,860
I have in LA that are top notch. So you

973
01:00:49,860 --> 01:00:53,500
got to keep working the craft. The reps I get on TV

974
01:00:54,540 --> 01:00:57,300
I think are helpful in a different way. It does make me a better actor

975
01:00:57,300 --> 01:01:01,060
because I'm just. I'm working on camera every single day. Every

976
01:01:01,060 --> 01:01:04,140
single day. So I think there is some crossover. But.

977
01:01:05,260 --> 01:01:08,740
But all my acting is in the Bay Area. I think comfort in front of

978
01:01:08,740 --> 01:01:11,820
the camera is pretty huge because that's the thing I think that throws a lot

979
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:15,510
of actors right away is just, you know, or people in general. You know, if

980
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:18,110
I have a business owner come in and do a commercial or an interview and

981
01:01:18,110 --> 01:01:21,630
I put them in front of the camera, it's. The camera itself is intimidating. Yeah.

982
01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:25,350
And you lose some personality. So. And like, that would be

983
01:01:25,350 --> 01:01:28,230
helpful. And then the one thing I know you had to wrap it up in

984
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:30,430
a second. You have a. Do you have a time limit? Like you have to

985
01:01:30,430 --> 01:01:33,350
throw me off by a certain time? No, I was just going to throw you

986
01:01:33,350 --> 01:01:37,110
off just because. I'm kidding, just jokes. No, one

987
01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:40,230
thing. We're in about an hour. I try to keep it in about an hour,

988
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:43,950
but. But this is so compelling. We're going over. Yeah, it is.

989
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:47,630
No, one thing, besides the being comfortable on camera is like being able to

990
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:50,390
listen. And that's why I want to do it not just on tv but in

991
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:53,870
life. Because people I know people can relate to this is,

992
01:01:54,910 --> 01:01:58,230
you know, you're hearing me, but are you listening? So I'm waiting for Mary to

993
01:01:58,230 --> 01:02:01,990
be done talking so I can say what I'm going to say. So but if

994
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:05,710
you're a great communicator, which is what I aspire, that's what Lindsey Matherly Lee is

995
01:02:05,710 --> 01:02:09,340
the best she hears, and

996
01:02:09,340 --> 01:02:12,860
she's responding authentically. She's not waiting for me to be done talking so she can

997
01:02:12,860 --> 01:02:16,620
say her thing. She hears me and she responds to that. And

998
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:20,140
she's asking, like, did I do anything exciting over the weekend? And then I'll tell

999
01:02:20,140 --> 01:02:23,140
her, and then I'll say, what about you? It's not just, how are you? Fine.

1000
01:02:23,540 --> 01:02:27,340
Like, we're talking. And if I can get that in my personal life,

1001
01:02:27,340 --> 01:02:30,940
like, master that, then you really have something. And if I get up,

1002
01:02:30,940 --> 01:02:34,650
master that on tv, which is harder to do because that is set

1003
01:02:34,650 --> 01:02:37,650
up to have you talk. I talk. You talk. I talk. Is your turn to

1004
01:02:37,650 --> 01:02:41,170
talk. And if you get yourself to where we're hearing and listening,

1005
01:02:41,490 --> 01:02:45,330
oh, that's where the magic happens. And when Reverend Rebecca and I

1006
01:02:45,330 --> 01:02:48,850
are really good, that's what we're doing. Like, we're hearing each other and

1007
01:02:48,850 --> 01:02:52,650
listening. And so that's why I aspire to every day, not just on

1008
01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:56,330
the show, but in life. Yeah. Listening is the

1009
01:02:56,330 --> 01:02:59,530
key, isn't it? I think it's if you want to be better in business, listen

1010
01:02:59,530 --> 01:03:02,710
better in relationship lessons, listen better in

1011
01:03:03,110 --> 01:03:06,070
acting, listen better in friendships, listen.

1012
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:11,070
That is a key to. To a whole lot of stuff. What'd you say? Like

1013
01:03:11,070 --> 01:03:14,630
what? I don't know what you

1014
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:17,510
said. I was waiting for you to finish talking so I could talk.

1015
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:23,830
I don't know what you just said, even. No, but you're right.

1016
01:03:23,830 --> 01:03:27,610
And that's a lesson from actors, too, is like, not

1017
01:03:27,610 --> 01:03:31,010
waiting for you to finish your line so I can say my line.

1018
01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:35,330
I'm hearing you and responding authentically. Yeah.

1019
01:03:36,370 --> 01:03:40,050
Yeah. It's such a good thing. And the improv

1020
01:03:40,050 --> 01:03:43,730
piece of it, too. I'm sure that all the. All the play by

1021
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:47,410
play. And that must translate a little bit to improving, don't you

1022
01:03:47,410 --> 01:03:50,770
think? In scenes? I'd hope so. No,

1023
01:03:51,010 --> 01:03:54,490
I believe it to be true. Yeah. One day we're gonna do a scene,

1024
01:03:54,490 --> 01:03:58,010
David. Oh, yes, yes. And now

1025
01:03:58,490 --> 01:04:02,010
a couple. The way that the business is set up,

1026
01:04:03,050 --> 01:04:06,810
agents embrace that stuff. You know, doing your own things instead of sitting around

1027
01:04:06,810 --> 01:04:10,050
waiting to, you know, get this audition every. You can make your own stuff. Man,

1028
01:04:10,050 --> 01:04:13,810
the iPhones are so good. That looks so good. You can lava their mic

1029
01:04:13,810 --> 01:04:17,570
or just have the Camera phone, pick it up and create your own

1030
01:04:17,570 --> 01:04:21,330
stuff and then show it off to people. Yeah,

1031
01:04:21,810 --> 01:04:25,530
for sure. It's a little bit what I'm doing right now. Only

1032
01:04:25,530 --> 01:04:29,250
this is a podcast and not comedy. But, you know, I did some.

1033
01:04:29,250 --> 01:04:32,730
I did some comedy stuff way back in the day when I first kind of

1034
01:04:32,730 --> 01:04:36,290
started with a friend who is an actor. So whenever we'd help each other with

1035
01:04:36,290 --> 01:04:39,850
auditions, we do something super fun. And when I moved from

1036
01:04:39,850 --> 01:04:43,250
Nashville to Atlanta, then that stopped. But he is doing so

1037
01:04:43,410 --> 01:04:47,070
well. Like, his career has taken off like crazy. But

1038
01:04:47,070 --> 01:04:50,710
I have to say, he. He messaged me his. And shot me his new

1039
01:04:51,110 --> 01:04:53,910
reel the other day, and I'm like, man, I miss those

1040
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:57,590
silly little videos all the time.

1041
01:04:58,550 --> 01:05:02,350
Yeah, yeah. He had a scene with Robert De Niro. So, like, he's

1042
01:05:02,350 --> 01:05:06,190
like, he's. He's. I mean, his. His reel is very. Yeah.

1043
01:05:06,190 --> 01:05:09,590
Win record. I'm gonna give him a shout out. Go check it out. Okay. But,

1044
01:05:10,370 --> 01:05:14,170
yeah. Well, David, thank you for your time. I'm so excited to

1045
01:05:14,170 --> 01:05:17,890
hear your speech. David Lewis giving keynote speech.

1046
01:05:18,050 --> 01:05:21,690
Speeches, Speeches. It's easy for you to say. It's a

1047
01:05:21,690 --> 01:05:25,250
great opportunity. I'm really excited about it. So for the folks in

1048
01:05:25,250 --> 01:05:28,370
Reno, hope to put on a good show for you.

1049
01:05:28,930 --> 01:05:32,690
Yeah. All right. All right, well, more to come

1050
01:05:33,410 --> 01:05:36,290
tomorrow at 5am news

1051
01:05:37,310 --> 01:05:39,390
and getting up at. 2 and putting on makeup.

1052
01:05:42,430 --> 01:05:45,910
So besides catching you on KOLO tv, because you can. You can go to the

1053
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:48,750
website and catch them on the news. If you're not in Reno, you can go

1054
01:05:48,750 --> 01:05:51,550
to the app, the KOLO News app, and catch them.

1055
01:05:53,390 --> 01:05:56,870
And also, what. Any other socials you have at Dave Lewis on

1056
01:05:56,870 --> 01:06:00,550
TV down there? Yeah, I mean, I put some other stuff, like, you know,

1057
01:06:00,550 --> 01:06:04,310
some highlight, you know, show highlights. But right now I'm putting more of

1058
01:06:04,310 --> 01:06:06,190
our stuff on the Good Morning Reno page.

1059
01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:11,980
Being selfless, I'm more concerned about, you know, building our show.

1060
01:06:11,980 --> 01:06:14,620
So we have a Facebook page. Good morning, Reno.

1061
01:06:15,980 --> 01:06:18,460
Instagram, Good morning, Reno. And then,

1062
01:06:19,980 --> 01:06:23,700
you know, Dave Lewis on the air, I think it's. Yeah. On the

1063
01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:26,860
air and on tv, I think it's Dave Lewis on TV for

1064
01:06:27,740 --> 01:06:31,020
one of them. And then I also have that on Facebook as well.

1065
01:06:31,660 --> 01:06:35,190
Awesome. All right, well, thanks, Dave. I appreciate your time,

1066
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:38,390
Mary. I enjoyed the visit. You crushed this. Oh,

1067
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:40,630
crushed it. Thanks.

1068
01:06:42,550 --> 01:06:45,350
All right, you have a good night, and I will see you tomorrow. I'll see

1069
01:06:45,350 --> 01:06:46,310
you at the office, baby.