Shawn Bryans, VP of operations at Green Tree Medical and Chief grower and cultivator for Okie Herb discusses the benefits of CBD, medical marijuana, the variety of customers from the elderly to PTSD veterans, the new laws and landscape in Oklahoma, and how "Bud Tenders" function to deliver great care to consumers.
https://okieherb.comhttps://kbmdhealth.comhttps://gutcheckproject.comNancy husband and wife may kiss the bride connectivity care whenever you need video chatting with the doctor right from your phone so I don't need stitches thank you Dr. United healthcare health plan benefits may vary fantastic second episode of the gut check project and we have our inaugural guess this is going to be a fantastic show on super excited about this I'm pretty pumped also so today we have this is episode number two of the gut check project brought to you by your host Dr. Kenneth Brown and well we really appreciate everyone but Joyce did you know we actually have feedback from our first show actually open content by love people I thought that you and I were just talking to each other the whole time as it turns out some people actually listening what you what you know beyond my mom beyond my wife your wife we actually had some of the people who watch that was really cool hate one of the things that we handle in terms of questions was can I take John Teal and do I need to continue taking probiotics or prebiotic's may want to dress like so there's lots confusion around these terms prebiotic probiotic all the prebiotic is on digestible food source that your bacterial breakdown so fiber is a prebiotic okay so the skins of vegetables and fruits are prebiotic's probiotics are the good bacteria that people want to take into replenish your micro bio the reality is when you're taking out trying to you you don't need to take a prebiotic or a probiotic in fact the molecules known as polyphenols are actually a form of a prebiotic they go to your: the bacteria will break it down into beneficial things so essentially and not to be too confusing but you're basically taking a form of a prebiotic by definition by taking out front feels no it's not necessary to take a pre-or probiotic if you feel better on the probiotic I say continue to take it if you do not feel better than you might want to hold off on that so if last week have your listener and you're curious about arch until you can learn more@lovemytummy.com/spooning that's love my tummy.com for discount use forward/spoony also just a reminder if you ever want to keep got catch up with Dr. Brown and what I was doing has a brand-new website called KB MD health.com so it is only a week old there might be a bug or two in there there's actually a probably a lot of bugs and there have changed and I encourage all the feedback if you don't like the language of going to change the wording is a couple pictures of myself that I would change but you know we have to do what we can do and get things up because that website is there to give information about things that we know that at least my patients are swimming towards us and asking questions about what you have all kinds of information on CBD on got health on sleep on brain protection on everything it just a platform so we want to get up there and also to get access to people to get high quality CBD to get access to upfront you and so on so yes there we encourage feedback hit me up tell me you're not a English major are you Meno English majors yeah me bad at language also so basically Eric and I made this website and there's probably some grammatical errors we would love we learned about it sooner than later I know what you're talking about but I do check out KB MD health.com because there is a lot there's got to be resourceful there's lots of research there is a store where you will find the brand-new KB MD CBD as well as trying to heal and will have other things added to the store as we put research behind yes recent research is one of the things I'm most excited about where you have a guest on today and were to be talking CBD in the cannabis industry and all of that supersmart guy Sean Brian's was just talking from outside not just I love historian you guys gotta stick with this show today because it can be super exciting but one of the things I want to do is I really want to do clinical research on my patients less early research I just want to track the results and were to be putting those kind of things first on the website as we await publication and then once we get published then will go and replace that but anybody go to that website is going to see the white papers first before while they're being submitted for publication way it works you submit it takes a few months this is just a way to get access to things much sooner much sooner last mention here a quick for a sponsor that we had for the show which is down weed is happening now with the medical director of Bridgestone and happens to be Dr. J Perry also a gastroenterologist at the top of the hour you probably heard if you're listening already mentioned ridges own and it was being rented by the late great Doc Thompson so I shout out to Doc Thompson again thanks so much for having us here the team chef Patrick Ron everyone couldn't be happier to now start our second episode of the gut check project on spoony radio so we we did not get pulled off the air last week which outcries and actually said you can come back and do another show I got another shirt is amazing so it's been a week before we jump into all the cool stuff to talk about today what you been up to man for a week it has been a week so last week my oldest son the whole family my youngest son the wife and I took tons of family down San Antonio we live in North Texas if you are familiar that's 5 Hours Dr. S. went and I saw my oldest son compete in the state basketball tournament they did well and dad and after that we it inquired when the whole thing so we decided to take off and enjoy some family time out in San Diego we do know I logged around couple hundred bucks I guess online scooters if you are looking for a way to enjoy an urban environment written lime scooter similar while you heard did you get a chance to jump into one of the Navy seal bug training techniques of water cold immersion we did decide not to do that after we put on a wetsuit and tried to serve tennis: water is not warm at all wetsuit is correct your wet your wet and cold and then you're still wet but we did serve it just got out of there soon become fully we went to do good for you let yourself or even wow I had an equally exotic experience I had to go to which I didn't have to I went to Wichita Falls Texas because my son had a tennis tournament there and my wife and daughter went down to Waco because she had a tennis tournament there which coincidentally shot out to her Carlos she double gold singles and I won the whole tournament love that my son Lucas and I in Wichita if you've ever been there Wendy very very windy candy yet and it was raining so we had tons of rain delays all the stuff I did bring my X.3 bar which you will be writing about this also but the X.3 bar is a portable exercise system developed by a PhD named John Jake wish and I had a long conversation with him not to long ago and he's done some great research showing how variable resistance and volatile bottom line is I sat in a hotel room worked out watch rainfall pendulum was probably as wet and cold as you yeah I without question down if you notice now the Wichita Falls in Texas actually is the region that varies the most from year to year in temperature fluctuation it has the biggest swing I believe throughout the entire state shock about the back me up on this by the time he gets in here but it literally has the biggest average temperature swing throughout the entire state that little region at their out of the Red River and – describe a little bit about what the X.3 bar looks like because if you had never seen this thing is really cool it's very portable it's equipped with bands but has has a resistance motion that you know if you're just looking anything that looks weird when he tried it will wear your ass down since in this actually Dr. Jake which gave me a code so that our listeners can execute a discount on ice just when you go you get it go to X.3 bar.com and then put in code KB MD and you get a nice discount there the other science is pretty interesting I'm mobile hacking this is like one of those mobile acts that you can do show is portable you know there's no excuses for not working out take about 10 minutes and you're done so you break a sweat you will think that you won't but you will break a sweat in fact if you go to the our Instagram at KPMG health is no need to do the resident we need to do this because you can see the big man Eric over here is not doing some curls with the X.3 bar actually got several videos of the X.3 bars so about someone else's biceps to do that she actually had to stop mid workout because he was getting too big yeah knows what about changes wardrobe so that would build fitness shared real quick any other news or notes of any to talk about for the gut check project coming up I can't think anything big of them have our first guest this week but I know that you went to where he works while Europe and Wichita Falls yeah that's right so coincidentally and we Artie had him booked for this I went up Wichita Falls right next to the border of Oklahoma Oklahoma just recently became a I'm to say the word wrong but medical cannabis legal state yes is that term that made Sean to clarify we John. His unit tells all about about what goes on yes I went up there and took a look in our CBD product is in that is in that store it was really cool to see all the hard work that we've done to educate and get things moving and so if you get a chance Oklahoma is one of the new states to start the medical marijuana interestingly enough that I do find it kind perplexing that taxes being such a large state watches the bordering states open up a casino or open up the opportunity for medical delivery cannabis or CBD and essentially date it's it's Texas citizens that more or less come support that industry and I'm sure this will be the same until Texas decides to participate I am very familiar with that because I'm from Nebraska originally were that's exactly what's going on in Colorado once I won the other right I would as the casinos Colorado courses the cannabis industry in Nebraska has chosen to be very strict on that so not surprising to me that a state can have neighboring states with little bit more liberal or differing views sure now I understand well I believe listeners will be going to try to start doing is giving over the format in our first hour so it this point time were going to talk about health news as a relates to the gut check project in KPMG health and you can learn firsthand why I always like talking to Dr. Brown in terms of how he keeps up with what's the latest trends and the latest relevant news in health so this last week and we got a little bit of experience with what were going to talk about but it just so happens there's a lot of research into the fasting mimicking diet and what it can do for you and I'm stopping that you can take over so super interesting a study was published just last week about the fasting mimicking.now with the fasting mimicking diet is is this is developed by a fantastic researcher named vulture long ago and what you do is he figured on animals that if you give a caloric restriction meaning your to take 1000 cal a first end and work your way down to about 10 to about 10% of your normal calories in a very specific ratio of fats proteins and carbs that you can trick your body into believing that it's in a fast and what that does in humans he showed that after five days you turn on your stem cells it actually gets your old selves sick and old cells to just go away called autophagy and so if you can think of it this way your body says okay these cells that are starting to show signs of possible early cancer things like that the body recognizes that goes you go away in working to start new cells so that's the basis of the fasting mimicking diet this was developed and a company called L Neutra has developed a product called prologue to sort of make it really simple for you to have the exact ratio that's have prolonged PR OL ON PROLON so vulture has been doing tons of research and you he's I follow his words Rhonda Patrick follows work through a lot of other conferences he's always going to longevity conferences and giving lectures this time something very near and dear to my heart he just published so out of the University of Southern California USC this article out of cell reports the fasting mimicking diet modulates microbiota and promotes intestinal regeneration to reduce inflammatory bowel disease pathology very long big Boring to title but here's what supercool is basically he took mice he put them on the fasting mimicking diet end date induced Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis so inflammatory bowel disease and then he showed that these mice had decreased intestinal inflammation increased intestinal stem cells they actually reverse the disease and something else is really cool is that they improved the micro biome composition and then he actually showed that it improved leaky gut or intestinal permeability something about this moment we have a disease or chronic disease inflammatory bowel disease if you don't know anybody who has as its brutal this is what I do with my practice all the time but by putting somebody on a fasting mimicking diet you can actually reverse this then he compared that group to a water only fast this is amazing the water only fast did not do nearly as well this is rising I would not have thought that I was completely blown away because I've always I've done I did three fast this year I did 35 day fast the first one was the prolonged one I did a prolonged fast and I could totally tell when those stencils kicked in I just had a boost of energy like you would not believe next when I did I tried to can't hack the prolonged pasture and try to do it using the foods I bought and try to mimic it I did not quite get that boost of energy and then my third fast was a water only fast for five days and once again I did not get that I just woke up at like 1 AM to take on the world and so I've actually contacted the CEO of L Nutro that were extra friends with Joe on Tuesday and him I talked to said yeah because that's the amazing thing we don't people don't realize it the faster mimicking diet is actually based off of true science and animals vaulter did this all he worked out the exact ratio how many days and then after you do this you have to repeat so in this particular group we had two groups of mice one did water only and that group did not do as well the fasting mimicking group had increased the fiddle bacteria and lactobacilli which have been shown to improve so you asked me the beginning of the show what about prebiotic and probiotic I well guess what if you do a fasting. Then your body will figure out what bacteria should proliferate more when we eat it's actually an inflammatory process so every time you eat electrically little bit of inflammation in the gut by giving it a break and by doing the fasting mimicking diet your not only given your get a break but your body goes okay we can get rid of old dying cells get rid of precancerous cells and working to start brand-new ones and is proven it with these mice what is so fascinating to me is that the faster mimicking diet is so much easier than the water only diet I can vouch for that then we had which at our whole company do it and at all trying to I think we have that on our on a page would a blogger yeah I think it's right at a year ago is that's correct and I can I can say the water fast it's not the worst thing ever but it's more difficult the whenever your body decides you need to eat and he had the influx I believe it's called a Rex and it makes you think okay your ravenous and you need to eat and you have a burst of energy simply to go out and find food and I was actually somewhat envious of those who had done the pole on is the control because the and including you that point time did not have the same drive to go out and just eat yeah you are fasting but at the same time your body seem to be tolerating all the better yeah what about fasting I actually after this article got published I realize another article just really got published with a look at the different fasting types in religion and we have Ramadan we've got Jan to pour a lot of similarities to similar with the Daniel fast we have lent which I'm Catholic but not delivered probably should be fasting in a more serious way here that but it's just interesting that the fasting is could be one of the easiest life hacks ever it's amazing that so many religions had that been are are based in insomuch a agent tradition that there are lots of things between religions that actually are incredibly similar and it also comes down to asking so the reason why this such a big deal is because I have my Crohn's and colitis patients and if you do have girls or colitis or annoying but it does please share this so that we can don't help everybody with this because I think a lot of doctors are talking of fasting and so I think my little hatch here who's going to be the fasting mimicking diet plus trying to heal for the polyphenol effect and we also know that he gets rid of the bad bacteria that's growing rich and big plus CBD which attenuates your immune system right could be the magic thing so I called Joe the CEO of Elder Troy and we got talking about this and he goes I want to come down to do the show let's talk and I'm like yes let's do this this is going be fantastic so we can have a whole episode dedicated to the faster mimicking diet and the science of it and you know how people can realize that it really kind of resets and it's an antiaging thing also so you can do from home this is it something it's going to require someone to go out and get a prescription only to prescription to do a fasting and a condign somebody's have to schedule a time to do it and then commit to it and then I would imagine you being a guest urologist to be C70 make those kinds of improvements that's really all you want is the best for your patient and if they can handle that on their own and escape disease it's a win for everyone as natural natural to do it so being vultures studies it's really exciting because what he showed is it is antiaging it is anti-inflammatory and was really fun is that he also so that you have to re-feed so once you do that and you you have the discipline to do those five days of decreased cowgirl of calories and using the fast mimicking diet when you start re-feeding it is awesome because and he also show that if you do it three times in a year that is equivalent to doing ketogenic diet year-round so now that he showed that in different animal models also so for those who at their key billing manager if you struggling as many who don't struggle but if you are struggling maybe this is not turned the computer I have done it and I have fallen off of it and got back on and fallen off it's and get it's not the hot again not the hardest thing ever but the discipline to stay there if you have a family I'm anything you cook for kids then that's not what they want to do is difficult Joe Rogan had Dr. Addie on how dark a joke and I prepare the both of them to deliver talk about the how they just can't rule their diets by making humor and jelly sandwiches for the kids to cut off the crust and Joe just would just eat the crust off the course so I did that also so every time I done Quito I would I would lapse without trying to lapse I would end up doing dirty Quito church where I would build despite outspent direct all is much as I want and then later be like well sure I can have this bowl of rice yeah what you know it with but with Quito if I member correctly you are talking about lab results even on yourself that where Ed there is advantages to doing keto but if you end up doing like he called a dirty keto you might actually failure your desired results off because your body has been moved to doing fats and you've basically thrown in this carbohydrate in talk about that quick so I didn't I like to do so one of my problems in working probably get into that little bit with Sean when he comes on when I do something I go all way way so I'll try it's all just go Quito and then over period of time I didn't realize I was that I drew I'd listen to a bent wrinkle podcast like oh I need to have lentils now is or whatever you know you name it and I totally forget that that's going on so my functional medicine doctor his name is Kevin Wilson here in town and you know he practices antiaging functional medicine she took my blood and called me up his like what have you been doing and course what we were doing is messing with my diet that I'm experimenting with different supplements because were trying to develop more products right and I'm not really paying attention that I'm doing everything at once at the same time sure and all of a sudden he just like your heard labs are messed up buddy commitments and talking alike is what you been doing I was like you have enough time I been doing it all. I'm just everything that it makes it difficult to find out but that's for sure but I will say it every single thing that you have recommended to patient for long as I've known you you've tried it on yourself first I have 100% done that so I have always done it that this is this is not new I remember being a medical student and I was in Lexington Nebraska running the ER at night so I was like the only person awake in Lexington Nebraska at the time and I decided to teach myself how to do an IV on myself which is hard especially first time so let's see I've tried to stick an NG tube down myself that didn't work so well I live but I've done an art I did an arterial line on myself one time that's ridiculous yeah that's not don't don't do that don't do any of this is a matter if I don't do any but I'm just saying that I will do it so that you don't have to share pain of an arterial line is about tenfold of any intravenous line I had left there was a comment on my YouTube channel yesterday where you I posted my colonoscopy online yeah over on YouTube don't do that either and I was awake but it's hilarious actually texted the text this morning with this Abby somebody in the UK said and you'll notice that nobody cares about your but were all looking to screen his writings always get nervous that I don't you see my butt and she pointed out the second he said that Abby looked at my butt and I I've never noticed that so colonoscopy everything so if I'm not you… Come down with everything I really would never I want to try things on myself then I do a case series with patients and then I have data to tell people I was a look this will happen to me this is this group of 20 people over here that were working with athletic Crohn's and colitis communities so near and dear to my heart because I'm using a lot of different things I've seen success with them sure and don't forget the reason why we are doing a check project is to talk about caving the health which was born out of the idea of taking what you find out in the clinic are you going from anecdotal to applied science and to find out how we can actually help people absolutely and so this is cool were coming down to the I guess the bottom of the hours and the rate of the Patrick is that what you say bottom of the hour the bottom of the hour I'm trying to give 30 seconds but apparently I don't how to make a three and is okay since I can call the fountain outside 20 feet away hate that Sean Brian first at whatever you guys 11 I wish you could go some facial is take the pain out of ordering your diabetic testing supplies with diet Thrive diatribe ships the testing supplies you need directly to you when you need them best of all with plan starting as low as eight dollars a month diatribe is probably going to cost you less than what you're paying today diatribe is so convinced that you love their service they're offering your first month of supplies free simply type the Kodak DOC and checkout diet Thrive.com that's DIA Thrive.com never forgotten apparel is more than just a premium women's and men's clothing line it's a movement to remind us to where American-made and serve those who serve us our heroes never forgotten apparel gives 20% of their total sales to nonprofits that support homeless veterans and off-duty firefighters and 50% to individual veterans and firefighters in need nationwide checkout never forgotten apparel.com use promo code Matt and ATT and get 15% off your purchase have you done it did you catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror I'm I'm one of those people you don't want to see naked IBM most of us but I mean you look and you're going to die I know I get to whatever you call it's horrible hey that's Dr. Townsend and Brad Staggs to tell you about a different way to shed those pounds this is brand-new technically been around for a couple years or so it was based on research from the University of California that said there is a molecule called OEA that's found naturally in your body produces it in the Mediterranean diet that when taken concentrated amounts it will actually make you feel fuller and boost your metabolism I lost about 10 pounds so far is immune amazing ballet school company said we can take this to market to make this great product will help you it's called grid you zone our IDU zone.com our IDU zone.com Brad's work that were comrades work for me countless other people go to read you zone.com and try today you're gonna love it read you zone.com remember that our IDU zone.com okay we're back back to the second half hour of get check project episode number two and now we are joined with our first ever guessed this is Sean Bryant Sean Salo yeah you guys doing today doing well so when Eric and I would talk about our first guest I just sent out I don't care what we talk about but I want somebody with a beard yeah I started this in eighth grade just just just fill in the patch exactly yeah when I turned 30 I look just like there some very proud of my beard for this is Sean Bryant is VP of operations at Greentree medical and you are headed the cultivation division also known as Ogier and Greentree medical and no gear was located in Oklahoma just north of Bert Burnett across the Red River Craig yes sir and you also have a on-site medical dispensary called alternative medicine great yes we do alright well tell us a little bit about what goes on yeah I think it's as one of the coolest things is your background I personally am so intrigued by that so I would like you to stop in the beginning okay well I grew up in agricultural family my parents had big textbased company in Paris Texas and so not really didn't know what I wanted to do when I graduated high school but I had a passion for pharmacy in biology so I got a Texas Tech University and I majored in pharmacy there which was the biology program then I change my major switched over to agriculture fell in love with the horticulture and and I did a lot of research at East Texas State University and Texas A&M commerce on the cotton plant graduated then I became a bag teacher built greenhouses taught kids how to grow went straight into administration became a principal did that for 20 years and love working with people so when my son graduated high school and my daughter she's a but to be a junior it Texas state and that's when I was like you know what I'll I am ready to chase my passion so Oklahoma June 26 they passed their full medical cannabis program and my wife and I were celebrating our 25th anniversary in Arkansas and we talked about 10 miles that day and I was tired she was in bed in the cabin no TV in I just typed up a quick Craigslist ad and I found three guys that were had little to no knowledge of cannabis and how we can use that in the medical field and we made a great connection and I started working with them and that's where I am right now that's awesome so I've known you for quite some time for disclosure my wife hot for you you are the first one the harder when she was a math teacher so I seen Sean is a principal I've seen him as an assistant superintendent of the school district that was down in Texas and I've seen you much like you can whenever Sean decides to do something a Zollo a.m. date from welding to out sing the guards that you value had outback from your house all the vegetables you raise chickens how did you decide that there was a need to go you told me the cell years ago there is a need for people to be able to explore the real practical application yet far beyond the psychoactive aspects of cannabis there are people out there that have a need how you decide that this is a way did you make it happen you know it really I'm researching cannabis and I'm learning about it and I'm sharing this with other people and getting into dialogue with them and these people people that I worked with people that I Matt in a prohibition state of Texas they or one of their family members had a dire need and we started discussing know-how cannabis could help them with a medical issue and so I kind of took on the position of a caregiver by being able to share information that that I gained from from research and keep in mind you know now Dr. Brown can do research and in the public but before it was something that we would just do you know talking to our friends will how did this work with you what were the facts doing a how did you feel that this you know work with this particular ailment but now were able to discuss more freely so you know that that's kind of how I Mr. quick question so you and your scientist by nature I mean with a background in pharmacology and then horticulture and then you are an educator so that your primary start of your foundation is in science then education then you get into this industry with her so much misinformation Howdy how did you approach that were you realize it's up to him you know it's almost like your moral obligation to try and get through all the clutter because that is your back on the minutes if somebody looked at you and said all I could totally see him in the cannabis industry but they didn't realize that you were a principal or rot yet just researching and educating people you know in our dispensary right now when you have a patient come in they don't know what to ask for date they they may think I need this strong marijuana that's got 30% THC but but what we do is we work with them and and let them know that that is not always the answer but you say what you say why are there instead starting check that by now some had a question about medicine and if the physician recommended to them and they don't have time to get those answers that they may have the questions outside face and said they'll go to a pharmacist and then asked the question they cannot take this with this this is just given to me is that this style of y'all that you basically interacting with people and they come in your trying to help steer them toward something that would work yeah so like the way our medical program works in Oklahoma basically you communicate with your physician hey I would like to try medical cannabis as an alternative or with your method of treatment that were currently doing and the doctor would write you basically it's not a prescription for cannabis but it's it's an okay that you can get your medical card and then you come to the dispensary and that is where we want to work with you know the patient's to find out what part of their system is is out of balance and what we need to do to help them get out get back into balance is there a term for that person Soto would like you said pharmacist sure if I go to Colorado was that since little bit more bold is the return when I walked in I need to speak with the well a lot of people call them bartenders that term came about you know right when medical and recreation and they tended the buds that were in the jars and and no new a little bit about each particular product that was in the jar sure now caregivers are though we don't act as the caregiver for that individual patient we are caregivers and so we are providing you know data and information to the patient and let them make their decision and I all white because a lot of times a patient will come in and you know asked that will what will this do if I'm taking Flexeril or if I'm taking hydrocodone or if I'm taking antibiotic you know I always suggest tell your doctor and and let me take you guys this is a trick here it's it's really neat so you go to the doctor with the stomachache normally you go and you visit with the nurse for 10 minutes takes your pulse your blood pressure then the doctor comes in and you know you spend 10 minutes maybe 15 depending on your situation or if you need a rectal in my case abstractly and that's when I stay 30s but know if you if you bring up the topic of CBD bring up the topic of the cannabinoids and tell that to your doctor say hey I'm I've been doing some research here let me take that Dr. is going to sit there for I may not had an hour conversation and the doctor has 10 patients lining up outside waiting to see him or her and he spending his time with me because he is craving this information sure he were sent from a not want to know what he knows I want to bounce ideas you know off of him and and see how I can battle better either handle my own situations or with other patients that I'm dealing with what I would say though even here in Texas where it's not legal yet because you know that but I see almost daily it seems like the openness is is there people willing to discuss something that maybe even just three years ago what going into depth on do you do you find that depositions in Oklahoma are starting to become more embracing now that it's it's legal for them to have this as an avenue yeah most definitely there was a little bit of fear in the very beginning with with doctors they thought that they would be labeled as the cannabis doctor or the lack some of them are the opioid doctor you know which doctor you could go to to get you know drugs like that can and so they there there were some that were reluctant to to even embrace that idea you know it if you if if you're discussing your health with your doctor and you know they do not embrace cannabis in my opinion I would I would want to second I would want to second opinion I'd want to talk to to another doctor what he authors like to chemically so your gastro neurologist here in Texas licensed here and I saw you specifically decide there has to be there has to be something behind the science of the CBD so comparing what Sean's talking about what a physician would have to do to to move into this movement where it's not legal what allowed you to be able to open up and say I want to find out more for the benefit of my patients so we touch on this last week Sean I just I had no knowledge the Endo cannabinoid system I don't alter CBD marijuana I was so whenever somebody is ignorant to it I don't judge at all because I just recently started learning all of this and what change my mind was I went to a conference and I bought a case very expensive CBD at retail price now I'm angry at the company but whatever should be a discount but I gave away my patients and I just waited and when almost all of them came back that I need more that's when I knew that okay there's something to this then since that over the last three years all I've been doing is looking at the science of this and of course there's not enough of research in the United States because of these different regulations and stuff but I'm seeing clinical evidence was why get so excited when we sit here talking I'm I'm thinking when you said much like the pharmacist right dear old Seinfeld episode where it I can't member who was but basically the doctor prescribed something to go to the pharmacy the pharmacist goes I wouldn't do that you do change the spelling of who had more power the doctor the pharmacist I say us three do a little YouTube skipper I'm the Endo Kanab and all adjust I hear the bartender to be the patient, recommend a certain strain and guilt for what I would do that would be a playoff of that but that really is kind words that's where the science is going with this that's what's so exciting when if a patient comes in so I went and visited your store this weekend to right next to Wichita Falls where was and Steve there was told he goes you know what's amazing is the people walking 20-year-old saying only get sweet you know old people with chains and their struggling and there like I'm the real goes here's what peers or to do for you this is awesome and video so when I realize I'm making this what Steve told me girls I realize I'm now making a difference and people's health goes I feel what you probably would and the medicine for which is to change people's lives exactly and and were surrounded by some huge military bases in Wichita Falls and in Lawton and a lot of our customers they they do not by the cannabis that contains THC they preferred the cannabis that contains CBD the high percentage of CBD and little to 0% THC you know with CBD it is it is new to me also as far is it the benefits it is huge very huge you mentioned the Endo cannabinoids system and you know I've kind of in my mind broke the broke medical patients down into into three different categories ABC a being where I want to feed my Indo cannabinoids system I'm healthy I feel good I work out I walk so, preventative it's it's kind of a preventative and then be moving into a patient that that has an element of whether it's a backache or or a inflammatory science laboratory exactly and then all the way up to our need of severe cancer and the end things where you're you're really going to have to to wage a major war with with CBD but yet that our patients that come into our facility even though you could command if you got your medical card I can sell you 3 ounces of gorilla glue which is a cannabis strain I haven't done that I have not I have an 82-year-old man that pulls up and he will buy CBD flower which is it CBD but cannabis contain CBD and THC this strain of cannabis contains 16% CBD and like .3% THC and that's what this guy buys an and loves it he he could buy no THC but the CBD is making different table does make a huge difference Steve our manager and Bud tender you know I asked him I should tell me what you think because he said cannabis user and he he picked up this bottle and he said I take it what it does for me he said in the evening I'll take a eyedropper input under my tongue and hold it my mouth for for five minutes and then I'll swallow it swallows it he digested he goes to bed he said that when he wakes up in the morning that his whole body just feels rejuvenated pop truck got up out of bed he's he's ready to go take on the day that's what CBD does in your neuromuscular system it it if you're already in that number one zone where you're just maintaining it it helps keep a you say homeostasishomeostasis it just keeps a nice even level balance at our level in your in your body and that way you you feel great when you wake up and and then other systems will start to fall into place like I want to get into it also is a move to the show is really heavy for another hour but there there are differences in CBD and when you get it and was labeled a CPD exactly and before forget X1 ass one thing you said that you are surrounded by military bases yes are these are the servicemen coming in getting good grief yes most definitely an and you know when youth historically you know a lot of our servicemen you know they coming with PTSD and and you think of PTSD as we know from guys that the comeback promote a war-torn country and Anna and they've seen some crazy stuff and and they're trying to deal with that and that is that is very true but how huge our military is there there are things that have happened in the military it could be just having a car wreck you know that is traumatizing to you while your own active duty and and so these guys you know they're there looking for ways to to deal with you know PTSD and emotional issues so one of the things we talked about that out my goal would be this you guys beating the people that are selling CBD and selling other marijuana products you can't make any disease claims what I want to do is get research so you can have published articles 1 of the things Dr. Col. Philip Blair is also a doctor of is the medical director at Alexa and also our CBD is powered by licks and always the medical director there he actually published a case series with CBD and its effect on PTSD is a full bird colonel that realize the benefits of CBD and is now working for CBD company and still seeing patients and collecting data and so were to bring him down and he's he's in a come on in the next month yeah what I really want to do it so he so knowledgeable about that and is also knowledge about the other thing that unfortunate happens in war which is traumatic brain injury and he's actually published something on TV guys and we were talking about possibly setting up a CME meeting so doctors need certain minor credits at my hospital door trauma surgeons because I really believe that a protocol of doing high dose DHA plus CBD at the first impact of any type of dramatic brain injury recent article just got published route showed that unfortunately they did autopsies on the boys that were 16 to 19 that had played football but it had shown in these they were there were unfortunately killed from other circumstances but they they are now looking at the brains looking for CTE and are already showing signs of CTE from just high school right so we know that this TBI thing is huge and I just love it that we have like a full bird colonel who is a doctor willing to embrace it you're talking about it surrounded by military bases it's a perfect marriage is a like-minded think is this essentially what you talk about Sean whenever your wanting to help he would've come to you for that help you want to give guidance that you have it's not just anecdotal I think this'll work this is it's it's this works for this ailment we want to help you just like you said you're not selling the gorilla glue to somebody just because it's profitable to you you want to got into something's gonna make him feel better that's the whole purpose right exactly and you know back on the Indo cannabinoids system the way this the CBD works it just kind of columns some of these receptors I guess it it it if if there's something that for instance on PTSD my wife was attacked by a dog about two years ago we were done in San Marcus best in our daughter and a big bull mastiff Jehovah God are yet Torah but Karen carries on a baking sheet for so it's not her fault I was a bacon on me know if done nervously if you're baking carrier don't want grandson Mark yeah well now you know she has a phobia of just dogs but there are times that I look at her whenever somebody if were in Denton walking around where it's a dog friendly town in here comes this guy with his tiger stripe pit bull that's a sweet dog she kinda moves next to me in and she is having some anxiety and CBD is a product that really does help with that and if if if we know that were going to go to Denton she'll consume some CBD and that will you know help help your wife as long as I know you and Karen is never been a skittish or anxious person and I remember that incident quite vividly and you and you're right I arrived I've heard her comment that it's unfortunate for her that that now is something that's a blemish on an experience but I've also heard her comment that Seabees actually helped her not have is anxious. Whenever we meet chal for dinner out then there are yeah and I and you know the Indo cannabinoids system goes all the way down to think 600 million years ago you know it was in little squids and and sea creatures and and still is in most of the animals today and dogs you know there are a lot of people that will buy this product CBD do not give your animals THC please don't but CBD does help with skin conditions with animals with anxiety with animals one of the number one top sellers in Colorado right now are these pet products dog biscuits yeah I see this all the time of my patients they will deftly spend the money to treat her pants and not uncommonly will not have the money for their own medicines right but they will make sure that the pets are the words on my PTSD I'm looking at all the articles were going to be publishing here soon we've got autism and CBD we got CBD and IBD we got a full review of the end of cannabinoid system working to do PTSD and CBD in these blogs are all about science with references so that you can just hand them to people go oh here's this you look at were not making a claim but you can do your own homework just like you did were you felt that moral obligation to get out there and be a caregiver now you are actually going to have to educate in a way without making claims in my opinion is as a doctor the best way to do it and as an educator is to give references exact this is not my opinion this is just based on these this whole process to bring up Dr. Blair's name again that's actually one of his biggest calls is how do I end up taking my research and make it more applicable to the VA and to the basis because these are the gentlemen who are fighting for our country abutting a lot of the line and often times and they go to that system that machine the options are limited theirs is not it is obviously not of counseling the talk button and in the news today but oftentimes it's just to the prescriptive therapies and not to CBD that actually could be making a difference one yeah absolutely I was just talking to him we were I have a friend in Rich Hagedorn back in Omaha he's a retired 30 years in the military and him and a group of guys have started a alcohol company called soldier volley liquor and we would talk about that how they give back to the servicemen and I'm like when we got have done show we'll talk about this I think the veterans are one of our biggest populations that we can really help and I didn't even realize that you're surrounded by military bases where they are they are seeking you out exactly right yeah and and and were therefore we we want to help on the the side effects are just zero that I've seen with using CBD and compared to what they have received from the VA hospitals that cause horrible horrible side effects in these guys they they realize that they're there saying that their spouses are saying that and so they're looking for you know some some treatment that will help them mean everything were talking about comes down to inflammation PTSD information is hyper firing of nerves inflammatory bowel disease the fast mimicking diet that help these mice that is an autoimmune issue what I really would like to do this next part of the shows let's geek out I mean you got a background we can get into the end of cannabinoid system let's clear up some of the confusion let's talk about the other things full-spectrum terpenes blob about the sound sciences but let's let's bring back to level so that when someone walks in your store they listen to this or you can recommend them to listen to it there you know what they're getting just a resale because we are reaching the top of our or just a moment but this is Sean Brian's he is the vice president of operations for alternative medicine newly opened here in Oklahoma and as any other job websites yet we do have on our Instagram is Okie okay I_earth and we also have alternative medicine okay to grant alternative medicine okay on Instagram will see here in just a moment for the next hour also it's funny shows on-demand at spoony.this is the only 24 hour take anywhere platforms dedicated to food and fun career spoony this hour from Townhall.com, editors hope you have at least some information from the black boxes of the doomed Ethiopian jetliner by days end those devices now being analyzed by experts in France here the US FAA acting administrator Daniel Elwell says his agency had to investigate for ordering all 737 Max jetliners grounded it is in our minds now link that is close enough to ground airplanes he was on NBC's today show a former Texas congressman joins a growing field of Democrats vying for the parties 2020 presidential nomination Democrat Betty O'Rourke became a political sensation during his 2018 bid to unseat Texas Sen. Ted Cruz find ourselves by who or what we are getting sore afraid he lost by about 3% but was immediately mentioned for higher office Texas political analyst Jay Iris is more than 20 other Democrats are eyeing the White House works already mobilized younger voters and raised to record money with alive and gritty social media presence of work spends three days now campaigning in Iowa I'm Jackie Quinn as the British Parliament launches into its latest fracture debate president from promising enhanced trade with the UK if and when it leaves the European Union as the UK struggles with bricks at the president is holding out the promise of negotiating a large-scale trade deal with the United Kingdom he tweets the potential is unlimited it's not the first time that Mr. Trump has suggested this last month he told reporters that the US is going to be increasing its trade with the UK very substantially as time goes by White House correspondent Greg Clarkson Wall streets the Dow is down about 24 points the S&P 500 index off to NASDAQ fraction higher one of the stories Townhall.com fast-track student loans can get your student loans out of the vault stop any wage garnishments stop collection calls and stop seizure of your tax refund give yourself a break to stop the stress and get your student loan payments down to as little as $25 a month based on what you can afford to pay 800-709-4395 800-709-4395 800-709-4395 800-709-4395 are you tired of high cable-TV rates sign up for dish today and get a $500 bonus offer while supplies last loss lock in your price for two years guaranteed call All-American – your dish authorized retailer now 800-570-6630 800-570-6630 that's 800-570-6630 offers required location 20 from early termination fee at the automaker church and supply call for details have you done it you catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror I'm I'm one of those people you don't want to see naked I yeah most of us but I mean you look and you're going to die I don't get whatever all it's horrible hey that's Doc Townsend and Brad Staggs to tell you about a different way to shed those pounds this is brand-new technically been around for a couple years or so it was based on research from the University of California that said there is a molecule called OEA that's found naturally in your body produces it in the Mediterranean diet that when taken concentrated amounts it will actually make you feel fuller and boost your metabolism I lost about 10 pounds so far is a mere amazing Valley school company said we can take this to market to make this great product will help you it's called would you zone our IDU zone.com are IDUs zone.com Brad's work does work for Brad's work for me countless other people go to read you zone.com and try today you're going to love it read you zone.com remember that our IDU zone.com hello and now we're going to start our number two episode number two we are still joined here by Sean Ryan of alternative medicine vis-à-vis the operations of that and that will clear and just a quick reminder start of second hour if you are interested in picking up your own are trying to heal just go to love my tummy.com/spoony use discount code spooning for some savings for yourself and then of course if you want to check out KB MD health CVD you can also go to KB MD okay BMD health.com or maybe somewhere else you go extra you could come over to Oklahoma and pick up some KB CBD oil when we saw this product in our store when when Eric and I met I immediately fell in love and and the first thing that that jumped out at me was you know having Dr. Brown's name on the bottle so many of our patients that command our dispensary that's the first thing that they asked is not what a doctor what a doctor recommend this what is what would end in a lifetime just kind of funny they say what would my doctor say about me using this and that's when I'm likable don't talk to your doctor tell your doctor what you want to do ask your doctor but this particular product that's backed up with with research and an extensive studies we we wanted to be a part of this we wanted this on our shelves the the other thing that that really jumped out at me is how this product was made how it was manufactured how they did the extraction process y'all use a process called supercritical CO2 extraction so cannabinoids and that are on the Kent cannabis plant they are oil soluble and they are alcohol soluble and so historically they would use some nasty chemicals like butane and propane and they would blast that gas which in a liquid form through through the cannabis extract the the all of the cannabinoids and then try to remove some of the petroleum products from that crude oil and in California they do a hunt of testing on that and California is not happy with the trace petroleum products that are still in the considered a contaminant behind it is a contaminant and some of the extraction method they actually feel that that is the containment sure can be yes alcohol so another way to extract from a cannabis plant you can take and back in the day they use things like acetone in isopropyl alcohol's and and some alcohols that that work food grade like Everclear for instance hundred 90 proof Everclear that can be used to extract cannabinoids from my cannabis plant and and do a full CBD extraction now they tried to evaporate that alcohol that that's also an end they can't sure he can't get all it all out yeah I have taken not this product but I've taken other CBD tinctures that staying real bad under my tongue some people like that staying Carlock taking of shot of vodka over you know some type of alcohol drink for me I do not consume alcohol I find it not not always II use to like alcohol but I I don't like it anymore and when I'm treating a patient I don't want to recommend a CBD tincture that has alcohol in it or other nasties in it I want to recommend a clean extracted product that use supercritical CO2 let me answer the question have you seen certain products that said possibly CO2 extraction put on your tongue burns basically mislabeling gallery itself is a little bit wild West right now most definitely met and you know I've had patients come to us and say yeah we bought this said at the jiffy mark down the road in and it doesn't work it doesn't do anything in and I look at it and you know a lot of these products were were made in India or in China and hey guys I it may be the real thing but these guys and and we have other CBD lines in our store also that are that we know the growers trip and just like your guys we we know where this plant came from we know that it was tested we know that it was tested for pesticides we know that that you know it was tested for levels of THC or CBD or other cannabinoids that are in it when I talked to Steve last week whenever we were entertaining the idea of moving KB MD CVD to I alternative medicine Oklahoma the very first question he said is we can't shelve this without a authenticated COA certificate of analysis and can you may want to talk about this why did you partner with Alexa and all-knowing it that there were certain parameters that you knew you had to meet so knowing that the industry itself so let's back up and just look at the supplement industry so my my initial background was in clinical research during pharmacologic studies and then I Neil found a few holes there we figured out we could do something natural to fix people and that's how we develop doctrine until once I get in touch until I realized holy cow the this industries people mislabeling their making claims or doing things so knowing that if I was really get into the CBD aspect of medicine I just wanted to make sure that I went with a company that was completely on the up and up very open and make sure that they had complete sourcing it was an organic farm they could naturally extract which of the supercritical CO2 extraction and religious source to one company so they have complete control of everything and that was a little and the been very happy that I've partnered with them in when you talk to the CEO when we have lunch with Gabe the people that are doing the right thing they want help each other out so they're there all about if you want to do CW Charlotte's Web do that CBD line is lying as he lines another one wherever it was like yeah let's just all were not in competition the good the people that are doing the right stuff or not competition with each other there there to educate and that's why want to part with little there were very open about church said yeah we just want to do this and that's why they want to part with me because they know that I want to be publishing lots of clinical data on this yes so at another big thing that Stephen also let me know is that we have to have CBD's that is full spectrum that we had on this a little bit last week and we can get into a little bit about what full spectrum of what the entourage effect is what you learn some words like terpene's final cannabinoids. Full spectrum and then talk a little bit about somebody who may appear reputable doing things like isolates but what limitations are on that so Sean start you what is it mean for something to be a full-spectrum product within your your dispensary yeah and people that have researched using cannabinoids to treat their ailments that that's the first thing that they asked for they want a full spectrum CBD and it it it it is very beneficial because all of these can I have annoyed CBN CBD and CBG and even THC they all work with each other and and that's why having a full spectrum product here extract it is very very beneficial I just I feel like that it's the way that these cannabinoids work with each other to to address your problem so it we had last week we talked about drugs that have been formed down to isolate said actually underperformed compared to what it was they were they were designed to build a home Otilio told me GW pharmaceuticals's, who are hidden@gwpharmaceuticalsaddress.fda approval for PDO lacks direct appeal something like that something like that that I got approved for seizures it is a CDD isolate what is interesting without republishing more there is a great example because I'm not a neurologist but as gas are all just they did try to look at that particular isolate in ulcerative colitis and ended up having a big dropout rate due to side effects I don't see side effects when I use the full spectrum right not all and will and in talking about full-spectrum hit on a little bit also but to you today different cannabinoids as well as another word terpenes so tripping profile can actually mean something and this is this is great for you because we had talked about where is the science going so CVD is new everyone the ECS is not being taught in medical school and that's a brand-new frontier for a lot of people to talk about but how do you know what CBD combinations going to work for you could actually be decent some differentiation in doing that so much going to walk all through this to you Sean so one of the things that I been either the tunnel reading and when you start looking at some of these people who are PhD's in the writing about this it gets pretty high level it's like any other specialty I'm a casserole dish I spent three extra years learning the got just got the version of the Endo Canavan all adjust procedure and looking at all just because the science is getting so dialed in and one of the things it's really interesting is that different combinations may do different things for different people so we talk about the disease state when someone comes in and says shot I got my back I got sciatica can you help me with that that kind of thing so I think that the terpenes are terpenes are in every plant and it it's what you smell not tomato plan has terpenes is an oil it I don't know if it's in oil but it is a component you know in their structure but it does have a smell to it most terpenes do the thing that just blows my mind these guys that manufacture lactate the vape cartridges and this is the easiest way to try to understand terpenes and how they can affect the way or change the way I can have annoyed's informed you that they you can do a full extraction of THC and CBD and you can take a terpene like why mean for instance and add to that extraction you can consume that and have a completely different effect then if you added a blueberry terpene to that extraction was the island versing yes obeyed immersing is one of them that they look that word they have shown that if you have a higher concentration of beta mercy that crosses the blood brain barrier and it brings CBD with it so if you've got a brain issue maybe we need to start using higher immersing levels Piper Ian I think is the other one that's more for joint inflammation like relearning about this is a brand-new science and Sarandon is so exciting and it's gonna take people with the pharmacy background people mean that's why love what you're doing and when you have this educator background is a science and you're bringing all that into this new space that needs to be cleared up that's what we have in the show to talk about the stuff yeah and seizure patients for instance they may take a they may get a perfect dial in profile of medicine that they're taking and it works so let's say I'm having 10 seizures a day and this is working great after about a month or two they may start having one or two seizures a day and then three months later they may have three or four in anger stuff doesn't work or I'm have built up a tolerance to it that's where I call it resetting the cannabinoids clock making little subtle changes with terpenes to the same profile that that works for you the same ratio of CBD and CBN and CBG that works for you in treating your seizures but I need to reset the way that is working with my Indo can have annoyed system if that makes sense so by making a small change with a terpene they have found that it resets that clock and that seizure patient now is medicated and able to go through the day without having one seizure and then after a period of time they reset that clock in and and start over so it that's why it in our medical profession I cannot wait till all of our doctors will sit down with the patient instead of just signing the piece of paper and synonym to the dispensary because the other thing you know were lucky to have Stephen in our dispensary I mean we really are truly blessed I had a patient come in the other day that had gone to a another dispensary that had two ladies that were retired kindergarten teachers that were working at the dispensary in you know they had no idea what was in this model innovate they just knew that it was this process and you know for the same reason the matters we get to CVD are probably matters on his help guide you to listen work for so when I run into whenever I see anybody there's quite a few multilevel marketing companies which are try to get into the CBD industry and what I have seen is that if I go to like a tradeshow or something the have a booth I'll just walk up to me like what's this and listen to what they say and everyone that I've encountered doesn't really understand it and are just throwing the words out and try to do the skills you need this this is the is isolate this is this it's got a full terpene spectrums or will we limit so isolate nursing turbine spectrum dual turbine is no and let my kids laugh because of the accident happened about five times Robbie will tell me more know you wrong that is it just education thing but if you're just trying to move some stuff there ever is using these words like did you heard the term broad-spectrum so broad-spectrum is a marketing term is no such thing as each of the broad-spectrum and I cannot find it fascinating that that's catching on, the Joe dirt style of selling the difference tween blue sky pasta Dragon just does well Doug number one thing that we look for is you now want to know how the medicine was made I want to know where the cannabis came from and I want to know that it was tested and that's why I can't always recommend going and buying this on eBay this on that you stay online for $5.99 in and think it is really going to it it may hurt you your point is now I want to hear your horticultural background how you guys grown up their local well it's funny because you know going into this you know I'm researching you know what you're going to be the next big hot strains you know what are they doing in California in Colorado and Washington is no wedding cake in LA confidential all these little strains that are that are out there and but that the thing is in in our state the demand is not for those recreational crazy strains aided they want a one to one or a 2 to 12 parts CBD to one part stair here today or they want a our number one seller right now that we sell more of the I'm and I got 12 strains of cannabis in jars on the wall we sell more of our its Highway 77 is the strain it's red dirt RX I believe grows it but it's hit it's hang up it's it's hemp flower its cannabis that you can purchase when we sell the Texans what percentage of these it is sales of ACV diversity all gosh 90% so what's clarified for anybody because it's a wide-open street what makes hemp CBD legal or what makes it so that the farm bill passed the Niger federal government at least recognized yet they're looking it they don't care about any of the 5060 70 different parts of the cannabis plant they look at one thing and that one thing is THC and there they want to know that that is going to be below a certain percentage and we shoot we we we see on our lab reports like .3% and below of THC and then anything above that with all the other cannabinoids CBD your CBG or CBN that they can be at at any level you know and end up in the product so we buy lots .3 or less correct correct yeah and and a lot of that may totally vary by state there there are some states I think I have I sighed a ship after breaking and I'm sorry but I think the only state the difference is Virginia in which case it's up to 1% but any other net across the board nationwide adding 0.2% okay I could be wrong but that's what I yeah and I think there's are you saying it with total confidence we trusted I've done a little bit of research and just a little that I don't partake I just to the research of you watching our computers are connected the describes we can look at what Chuck Patrick I want to thank you for being the producer of our show here so what he does is produce or show them comes on the zone should also make sure that you check out his shows also I thank you very much appreciate it hey something and that we only have formants left in the segment but something to consider right now there are only 10 states that are legal medically I'm sorry no recreationally and then beyond that there's 23 that have some sort some form of medical Texas ashes and fit that because they have specific medical and then there are a handful of others that have decriminalized possession of marijuana or I marijuana products or hemp products so tell me little bit what is the trouble and I know y'all expense a lot of traffic moving from Texas to go to Oklahoma what makes it so prohibitive right now in Texas is that it's not really a medical application yes so Texas hat does have a medical program on the Texas there medical program there is one qualifying condition and that qualifying condition is intractable epilepsy not the other hundred and 30+ forms of of seizure disorders or epilepsy but specifically intractable epilepsy a bottle up talk to God that we were doing a symposium in an indent in the other day that by the way I had I thought I was and have a bunch of North Texas kids there it was all a it was an entire retirement community Robeson Ranch was our audience but met a guy there that has intractable epilepsy he paid $900 that they one dispensary intent was for you know his his product of dollars a milligram oh my goodness and we sell it you know 50 bucks 60 bucks you know depending on the product maybe 90 yeah it's crazy so our legislature in Texas they're in session right now there's no plans to to legalize cannabis in taxes on a full medical like Oklahoma did or a recreation like Colorado so will wait another two years in taxes for our legislature to meet again so I wanted to sell to somebody with intractable epilepsy I'm sure it's really easy to do is open up a store right exactly you you write a check for 1,200,000.2 and you stand in line you you wait because there I believe there are about six guys that will write your letters so just you have to pay to play you what these right now that it's therefore surely there's a lot of companies out there in Texas that are providing the service rather there there probably is and don't call me Shirley so that there are there I'm unsure there's just tons of companies that have paid the 1.2 the playwright exactly yeah and only one of them got the deal contract so that's not a monopoly all know and and that's what was really neat about Oklahoma they made it very very affordable for four guys to get into the campus game and in our license fees are very very $2500 is what allows 1.2 million what you are doing a little Bahamas decided they want to give access they believe in the idea and access it cost is a barrier to access it is that's why we've priced the CBD the way that we have that's why we priced out on till whether we have I think it's so fascinating that the people that are swimming toward you are the ones wanting CBD which is really interesting suddenly scared of THC but the people that are looking for medicinal use they don't even want high THC strength yeah we only got 22nd till the bottom of the hour begins but I tell you what stay tuned because what we want to talk about is something crazy happened to people who actually suffered what they did early talk about very incident in the hospital crazy John is a half-hour it looks like you're losing I am losing weight I am losing my lost about 10 pounds how are you doing it funny name but I done it with review zone RAD use zone.com and the stuff works it's you get it all that the molecule this and that found in that all I can tell you is it it's a it makes you feel full and he keeps your mind off of wanting to overeat and also boost your metabolism you're done and more guy try it today it's good work for you like his work for Brad and countless other people read you zone.com are IDUs zone.com now you can fly anywhere in the world and paid discount prices on your airline tickets flight today to learn this harassment to read or anywhere else you want to go and pay a lot less Gary call the international travel department right now low-cost airlines 800 452-107-5800 452-1075 that's 800-452-1075 have you done it you catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror I'm I'm one of those people you don't want to see naked I yeah most of us but I mean you look and you're going to die I don't get whatever all it's horrible hey that's Doc Townsend and Brad Staggs to tell you about a different way to shed those pounds this is brand-new technically been around for a couple years or so it was based on research from the University of California but said there is a molecule called OEA that's found naturally in your body produces it in the Mediterranean diet that when taken in concentrated amounts it will actually make you feel fuller and boost your metabolism I lost about 10 pounds so far is a mere amazing Valley school company said we can take this to market to make this great product will help you it's called would you zone our IDU zone.com our IDU zone.com Brad's work does work for Brad's work for me countless other people go to read you zone.com and try today you're gonna love it read you zone.com remember that our IDU zone.com all right back and yet some throw in there Patty and I just need a limit on me to my I know it's finally we we had a lot that we just said that nobody heard it was great I'm skinny hey, so I just reset we are joint stillness this last half-hour without Sean buys VP VP operations alternative medicine up in Oklahoma but how about into exit on the whole lot of time left we got it did the last hours flew by so something that stuck out to dark brown eyes we talked last week David Irving Place football professional football player originally from California played at Iowa State a believe amazing defensive player for the Cowboys he just received his third suspension is decided that he is going to retire and he basically tested positive for THC and he claims that he was medicating himself and just a few things that he said just to take eye contact and have kids listening up so I was going to quote exactly as he said it on Instagram so basically guys I quit I'm outta here I'm not doing the ship no more some people are like oh you're addicted to weed I'd rather be an addict to that then the Xanax bars are the Hydro's or the Seroquel that they been feeding you essentially what I take from David Irving's message is he's finding relief this is a guys playing professional football he's getting banged around quite a bit you happen to know somebody played professional football for quite some time we talked about him on the first show everybody Junior Bryant played 10 years in the yeah we we talk about it he took in geode took a beating with that mean you get out of these a massive man Hitler heads and I just said in the last hour that they're showing traumatic brain injury high schoolers so Welton and we got a friend who's a is a pain doc MD Kelly Bidwell and she is looking also for alternative ways to help her patients not feel pain and she's been able to take people who've been addicted to opioids as well as a lots of duct documented I cases out there and move them over to an alternative therapy sometimes CBD so this is what's fascinating about the signs of it so what he figured out is that his endo- cannabinoid system needed to get back to homeostasis or get back to normal because were to be publishing lot on this but when you are low on your endogenous Endo cannabinoids specifically Ananda Marden to AG more importantly Ananda my because that's the one that is kinda low-level going around when that slow you can see that the perception of pain is higher when you get that back to normal your body down regulates those receptors what ends up happening with chronic stress and with a lifestyle review not sleeping well you didn't banged up like that you create chronic inflammation Ananda my levels will go down your CD one receptors actually go down and the ones that are left become hypersensitive and then it ends up creating more pain and into a G goes up trying to combat that's over now were talking about some serious science and chemistry and he's exactly right dear Susanna that's addicting here some Seroquel we don't really understand what I feel are the side effects are pretty fun though because I see that all the time SSRI inhibitor inhibitors can create lots of weight gain and things like that and he found a way to medically correct his own endo- cannabinoid system and he gets suspended it doesn't it doesn't quite add up amine at the NFL in a really weird way I think trying to appear like this clean league where as compared to the NBA NHL and MLB which really are nearly astringent for THC yeah checking Dino right before this Randall Gregory he got a suspension all I/O with the Cowboys and I believe it was his third suspension the interesting thing is listen the talk shows and other people talking about these these athletes that that no that combine is coming up they know that in March there going to be because he testified and you're like why does this guy why why does he not stop using cannabis and go impasses drug test and then use cannabis later when they're not testing well this guy Gregory for instance and obviously you know that our other very multiple cowboys and and athletes they need this medicine so bad that if they did not take there their medicine they wouldn't be playing football at all they wouldn't be doing any type of sports at all day a lot of them are taking it whether it's for a a mental condition not just the you know the sore back of the sore muscles from from playing but you know head injuries that that you know because these thoughts and ideas to go on in their bodies that that they need if they don't use cannabis they are just going to implode and not be able to do anything like what I'm hearing is that when I do with my patients so let's get back to inflammatory bowel disease my patients need this medication I can show a subtle level why certain drugs are needed… Use biologic Remicade front center and if suddenly Remicade was illegal or much worse were not worse but I just different when the insurance company decides not to pay for all the sudden the patient stop with $10,000 bill month well that's it that's a total travesty so now we have a very similar situation where I have a mechanism of action I can show White's doing well with the mechanism of action of why he was taking it on a cellular level there's no difference between that and the drugs that we prescribe right it's I have acid reflux if I can't take my medicine I'm miserable and I will if it becomes illegal they test for and I'm still planning on going back I got one year left on my college eligibility of trying to pack up and suddenly proton pump inhibitors which is what I'm on because I bad reflux and miserable I would still keep it you know it's interesting also I can because it was a few months ago that you now are you chili some research that you would run across and there were people who had been able to move away from thinking we had one case was 28 years of opioid dependence think Ayn Rand she now is not having to take opioids any more because she was able to start using CBD and I believe is post radical post a car accident or something like that but regardless the long-term side effects of opioids is over and over time we talked about of your dependency last week over time you basically always end up having to take more threshold free to get that and the G.I. distress he occurs from long-term opioid use is usually some crazy chronic constipation and then you have the malaise or the flat affect the mean unfortunately for those who become dependent upon opioids but it's OxyContin fentanyl patches etc. it's it's not a pretty scene so I will do a small spoiler alert right here we actually have a word in the coming out with a blog and some information on this particular thing and so a few key points to takeaways will be for this blog we do pain this is unbelievable it has been estimated to cost $635 billion annually Dennis sold many things are's runaround pain because that's the thing that drives people to go take something pain opioid crisis is alarming CBD is the second most abundant phytochemical that we know that has been shown to mitigate pain perception so are whole articles going to be about the opioid crisis and how to help people with that it was it's our fault that so many patients are sick we talked last week Chuck Patrick talked about finding heroin in the mollusks and wherever that was right because there's so much opioids in the system when I went to medical school we were told that if you have real pain you will not become addicted which we now know is completely wrong not true and that was a pharmaceutical based message that we are being told and now we have the opportunity to change a little bit here and were to once again want to drive up and drop all these articles right off it yeah you really be interested in saying that really would it's intimate it is hard to explain it's hard to explain this because a lot of people may say all well that snake all you're saying it treats you know your head injury you're saying this treats inflammation in your your back in tennis elbow and but when you do understand how it works and how the Indo cannabinoids system works in our body it yeah it does it really is it it really does address multiple different problems that can occur in in in our bodies so incentive been opened you'd mentioned that before we even started the radio show the all had people who come up who are looking for pain relief etc. you brought attention to the story that I didn't know until this morning that occurred at the Missouri so will we will post the link to this video in the show notes after production but there is an issue that occurred as I get the facts right there was a Missouri patient stage IV pancreatic cancer care who was in the hospital and then due to a tip suddenly found him and his hospital room being searched yes Galileo shout you guys need to see this video it my daughter she actually texted this to my wife and I and she wished my daughter was traumatized by this video it was the craziest thing and so Missouri did just pass a medical bill to get in and I got a good one that they passed now a lot of states will pass a bill and then they have a period of time six months to a year that they're going to you'll figure out how they're going to do it how they can implement that bill and that's what Missouri is doing this patient had stage IV pancreatic cancer he is in up in a bad way and he found that using and I believe he was using what they call Phoenix tears which is a Rick Simpson oil taken in a capsule form to explain what Rick Simpson oil yeah yeah and and so Lotta times if if a patient has stage IV cancer or a really really bad but advances the advanced disease they go that's where you have to get aggressive with your treatment and you that you actually need to really shock and flood your system with his many cannabinoids I like I said that flood your system fill those receptors do not have that much time to do it when I talk to my patients it's like a dry sponge you know we do the dosing here but it may take longer yeah 50 mg twice a day on your tongue but if you got a really dry sponge meeting your endo- cannabinoids are severely depleted it may take time to hydrate that sponge down when you got advanced pancreatic cancer you don't have a lot of time to get at it yeah you gotta get after it and that's where Rick Simpson all Rick Sampson invented this he actually made his first with the coffee maker he was using that type of pan to evaporate the alcohol so basically if you took to ounces of cannabis and you did a an extraction with with alcohol and you cooked alcohol off and you you made an oil all of the cannabinoids will shrink down and feel like a little thimble is really concentrate its tiny tot X2 ounces right and so these patients like this this gentleman in Missouri a lot of times they'll use what I call attacking method they'll do a sublingual absorption so they'll take a little toothpick and put a pellet of that oil on their gums and they hold it in her mouth for try to hold it 20 minutes and it's real Hampi it's doesn't taste great they also take the capsules Phoenix tears bile bombs where they have the Rick Simpson oil in the capsules to aggressively get after this cancer so well that's what this guy was doing that's what this guy was doing and also the way CBD plays in that because I've worked with people that were in this situation I create I call it a rescue pack I got a bunch of different CBD products I got your part. The actually mob one of my patients she took this was was the first sale that we had and it was as a rescue because she was about to consume a large amount of cannabis and we had to get that level high fat because we didn't have time and CBD as we said earlier does work with THC as far as balancing that out so I didn't want her to feel euphoria or stone PD discusses the stoning effect yes sir it really do and that's why a lot of patients want the one to one no ratio of THC and CBD but anyway this guy was taking the Rick Simpson all in the capsule form and the police got a tip from a security guard that they smelled marijuana even though nobody smelled marijuana when I walked in and they go to the gasbag and I think they found CBD's only family I said look it's all my fingers if you want to arrest me out of parking lot you know and they go through his hospital in his hospital room unbelievable unbelief and the doctor even comes in is like do you have all work for this and we see the video they literally just rifling through his belongings while he is in his hospital bed filmed in the for the position I down I mean he's examining in the bed off of a tip that I thought I smelled some of that on believing in a legal legal medical state and he even told that I submitted my paperwork and wait on the state you know I don't have time to wait so it's a it's a wild situate how I feel just actually silly comparing my heartburn medicine when we have people with stage IV pancreatic cancer that is making a difference in what little life they probably have rendered being harassed like have not seen what's interesting thought just occurred to me but you said when I compare my my reflux situation to survey pancreatic cancer and then I start to think well you know sometimes people they want to know how can CVD treat this and then also treat this but nobody asked that question about opioids if somebody happens to hurt in a certain area or have a different kind of pain that are completely unrelated nobody bats an eye whenever you say I'm treating with opioids for multiple different port or something I just learned recently so Sean you know Tylenol and NSAIDs are used to treat pain you've heard of hollow right right do you know that we really don't understand how it works until just recently no no I Tylenol is in my opinion can be one of the it is one of the biggest killers in our population one of the deadliest drugs and we just recently found out that it actually works on the Endo cannabinoid receptors all along and it kills livers yeah yeah the inadvertent taking tall so that's a great example we have drugs that are over-the-counter which are killing people and it's now recently discovered that it's working on the same receptors that we have a safe product that works better on it's you know let's let's rotate Tylenol and Motrin Tylenol Motrin we give it our babies are little kids and let me tell you I I don't know if this is exactly true but I compare a 500 mg Tylenol to 1/5 of whiskey or vodka as far as what my labor is going to have to do to metabolize that Tylenol pill and so when I'm taking an opioid the majority of the opioids and II guess it's to activate the opioid so your body can absorb it faster whatever I don't know all I know is Tylenol is used with just about every Opio he's at it right you get the combination drugs already Tylenol with codeine hearses said all her combo and it's sort have been going one reason to do that is to trying to any efficacy so that more drugs are sold that's all there is to it and they both mask each of the ever sure which ones working I don't think Tylenol nor ibuprofen would ever make it past the FDA now if it went through typical rigorous studies the G.I. bleeding in the kidney failure that happens from ibuprofen and NSAID like drugs and that of course the liver failure that takes place little realizes the cold will take Tylenol little ticked equal mental take NyQuil with little realize I will then all of a sudden I got a patient coming in in their yellow and their liver failure and work on the transplant center in the inadvertently of over-the-counter products will deliver yeah and now I mean I just went once it actually probably the whole works right in our realize her progress in the cannabinoid system which to me is just ammunition to say look these drugs are been around for a long time to hurting people and now we have a safer alternative that works better on the same system what kind interesting to because all all a lot of this is just in my small microcosms of a much bigger thing that is somebody feels like they are threatened I people finding new alternative natural means to feel better this is not about getting high this is not about being an advocate for psychoactive drug recreational use or anything like that in this particular setting this is simply about people trying to find a better way to feel comfortable and not have to deal with pain and even in Texas right now is 254 counties right now there's a different way for different DAs in each one of our counties to approach the CBD issue in Dallas County not a big deal at all one county over Weathers Fort Worth Tarrant County it's for some weird reason right now it's a big deal the DA doesn't like Stevie probably not educated on it probably has no idea what it actually is just here's that it could be related to marijuana and I don't want that I can we have patients that come from Abilene and Wichita Falls that tell us we cannot find any CBD in Abilene Texas it's been pulled from the shelves they they don't have access to so they may be of a county very similar to what you're talking about where it it's education a lot of these guys still aren't educated that's one cool thing that Oklahoma did do one of the first big meetings they did have was with law enforcement to to go over their medical plan to go over what you should do on a traffic stop that you know how you should handle this that this is no longer the devils lettuce were no longer be allowed to steal that by the way the devil's letter I want to interrupt but you know as I think there's a lot of confusion out there between THC THA CBD cannabidiol CBG CBN there's always terms being thrown about can we can we define for the listener I think this is super valuable and I got seen this in another a lot of other states whether trying to educate the the end-user and especially medical patients but what is the difference between say cannot annoyed's CBD and specifics in specific can have a dial and THC versus what the body produces THC a can we can we discuss I mean I think it's very important because people still are art saying they're all the same finger all girl teaching how to make a high but really it's it's not that way now will start with the THC a and THC if you want me to and you can do the CBD but they know in the raw cannabis form in a in in the bud if if this plant has a percentage of THC it is actually in the form of THC a and so there's an acid on the end of that chain and so in the past and typically the way I'm going to release that acid chain and just have THC as I am going to combust that material heat and smoke it and so now I'm consuming THC so when making medicines in our and our processing area whenever I'm processing of cannabis whether I'm infusing it into an oil or an edible I I I look at T HCA and also look at THC and I don't want to just D carboxyl lies this material this raw material and just make THC I want to do that also but I want to have a true spectrum of the plant a true broad-spectrum that you talked about file a go so I will take raw cannabis that has not been the carboxyl lysed or heated to a point where it changes to THC instilling the THC a when it's in that form you you do not feel the effect that she would if it was in the THC form such as the psychotropic effect basically write the act of a psychotropic psychotropic that good good were there so I would feel comfortable if I had a pediatric patient kid with that was having seizures and I was working with that kid's parents and that child and I was going to compound or formulate a medicine for that kid I would want to first start with a cannabis product that contain THC a and not D carboxyl lies that the cannabis and release that acid chain I want to first start with you know what is in this bit is not going to cause this kid to have a psychotropic effect sometimes that may or may not work with the kid or the pediatric patient for adult patient yet again again exactly so that's where then you start looking at combinations of let's let's let's change this to THC and because we we found scientifically that there are some great there are some great benefits of using THC and and let's incorporate that with with the THC a and the CBD while this is this is thank you so much for bringing that up job Patrick because this is new to me right but you know I spend my whole world educating myself on in the cannabinoid system in CBD and didn't even occur to me that TSCA THC can be used medicinally in different ways now fascinate and it it it's very very interesting and and it works not just by ingesting so if I may if I if if I'm using a cannabis product that I've been fused into an oil and part of it is the carboxyl lysed just THC and other parties T HCA whether I'm rubbing that on my body as a salve or ingesting it they do have different effects and so you can benefit by doing it both ways and in some cases it may be better to do it one way in and not do it at all the other way and that's where you know when dealing with like pediatric patients that I want to treat their problem but I do not want to give them any type of psychotropic or euphoria like they would get from hydrocodone are over an opioid or true THC that's where I'll look it at the THC yeah that's fascinating I want to cut anything short but we just burn through two hours because it's been fascinating to tell you what this was recovered so much ground you are so knowledgeable and I feel like this is one of the most informative podcasts that I have heard I listen to a lot of them and this is because were on it's probably the most informative because I didn't say a whole lot in the know Sean you you were highly really informed in and educated share this listening this just shows I want this shared with the Crohn's and colitis society and want to share with chronic pain people I want this shared so that people can understand that stuff like this source makes a difference PTSD people any we all know/rings yeah CTE hate Sean before we go yet I have a minute go ahead and tell us what we can feel confining online yeah we actually you can go to Okie herb.com we have a website where were still working at building that website but Okey_herb at Instagram and alternative medicine okay and Instagram bloodshot thank you whilst you this is the only 24 hour take anywhere platforms dedicated to food and fun