WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:24.449 --> 00:00:24.809 Anke: Hello. 00:00:24.809 --> 00:00:26.039 Welcome Julie. 00:00:26.249 --> 00:00:27.959 I'm super excited to have you here. 00:00:28.950 --> 00:00:29.760 Julie: Thank you. 00:00:29.830 --> 00:00:34.350 I, I am very excited to be here in your, um, your new venture, 00:00:34.830 --> 00:00:35.190 Anke: it sounds like. 00:00:35.190 --> 00:00:35.310 Yeah. 00:00:35.370 --> 00:00:38.070 I'm like crazy puppy excited about it all. 00:00:39.720 --> 00:00:40.020 Love it. 00:00:40.020 --> 00:00:45.270 So, Why don't we just start, let people know where you're based, you know, what's 00:00:45.270 --> 00:00:50.130 your business because you are a pro, and then we'll, we'll have a little dig into 00:00:50.160 --> 00:00:51.030 Julie: the work you do. 00:00:51.690 --> 00:00:52.350 Perfect. 00:00:52.440 --> 00:00:55.380 So I am based in Edinburgh in Scotland. 00:00:55.380 --> 00:00:56.850 That's where I am right now. 00:00:56.850 --> 00:00:59.640 And the sun is shining and the sky is blue. 00:00:59.940 --> 00:01:00.600 It's amazing. 00:01:01.230 --> 00:01:08.280 Um, however, I do do all of my work online, which is, um, a bit of a. 00:01:08.685 --> 00:01:13.125 Mind blow for a lot of people because I work with dogs and I help people 00:01:13.130 --> 00:01:18.315 with their dogs and I don't always get to meet their dogs, which in itself 00:01:18.345 --> 00:01:21.705 is, can bring up a lot of questions. 00:01:22.065 --> 00:01:26.775 Um, however, I've been doing it now online for about four years and it 00:01:26.865 --> 00:01:33.795 is super effective, um, way more effective actually in the long term. 00:01:34.245 --> 00:01:40.380 Um, To actually meet your dog that in that first instance, because 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:46.185 very quickly, You will realize that I'm not here to fix your dog. 00:01:46.695 --> 00:01:47.925 I'm here to help you. 00:01:47.985 --> 00:01:51.315 I'm here to share information with you that will allow you to 00:01:51.320 --> 00:01:52.995 change your behavior with your dog. 00:01:53.265 --> 00:01:55.935 So there's actually no reason for me to see your dog. 00:01:56.085 --> 00:02:00.315 And oftentimes when you, you'll know the people, I mean, when I say 00:02:00.705 --> 00:02:04.965 this, I won't name them, but it's very egocentric and it's all about 00:02:04.995 --> 00:02:08.775 the trainer and how great they are and how they're gonna fix your dog. 00:02:09.375 --> 00:02:10.515 Um, so yeah. 00:02:10.920 --> 00:02:12.660 That's, oh, I love that. 00:02:12.660 --> 00:02:13.020 Because 00:02:13.020 --> 00:02:16.650 Anke: I mean, in my own experience, it's definitely on this end of 00:02:16.650 --> 00:02:18.390 the leash where the shoes are. 00:02:19.890 --> 00:02:24.000 Julie: Well, that's where, it's not necessarily where the issue is, but 00:02:24.005 --> 00:02:25.710 it's certainly where the solution is. 00:02:25.920 --> 00:02:26.160 Yes. 00:02:26.160 --> 00:02:32.010 Because you can't do anything what's out there, but you can do something yourself. 00:02:32.340 --> 00:02:35.380 That's where we have, that's where we have some choice. 00:02:36.945 --> 00:02:37.485 So 00:02:37.575 --> 00:02:39.615 Anke: what are the mo like? 00:02:39.615 --> 00:02:43.725 I mean, I would imagine people would be kind of surprised initially to find that, 00:02:43.725 --> 00:02:47.655 oh, so you are helping me with my dog and you don't even wanna see the dog. 00:02:47.655 --> 00:02:48.135 That's funny. 00:02:48.555 --> 00:02:49.035 I love it. 00:02:49.365 --> 00:02:49.725 I love it. 00:02:49.725 --> 00:02:55.005 So what's the most common, um, issue people come to you for? 00:02:56.355 --> 00:02:56.865 Julie: Wow. 00:02:56.865 --> 00:02:57.285 Yes. 00:02:57.290 --> 00:02:58.515 What's the most common? 00:02:58.575 --> 00:03:01.275 I would say there's two, two main things. 00:03:01.395 --> 00:03:07.215 Um, reactivity, um, in all its guises, whatever that might mean. 00:03:07.725 --> 00:03:12.015 And probably, and it's kind of the same thing, but maybe just the 00:03:12.015 --> 00:03:15.705 narrative slightly different is, um, is barking, excessive barking. 00:03:16.515 --> 00:03:18.735 Um, I would say that's probably the two. 00:03:18.825 --> 00:03:20.235 Oh, and separation anxiety. 00:03:20.850 --> 00:03:25.740 It's probably three, um, main things that people come to me with. 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:29.190 And as I say to them, you know, when they talk about, well, 00:03:29.220 --> 00:03:30.720 you know, you need to see it. 00:03:30.725 --> 00:03:32.070 I'm like, I believe you. 00:03:33.330 --> 00:03:34.080 I believe you. 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:36.090 I don't need to see it in action. 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:40.050 I don't wanna put your dog in that stressful situation any more times 00:03:40.050 --> 00:03:41.340 than is absolutely necessary. 00:03:43.020 --> 00:03:43.140 I 00:03:43.140 --> 00:03:43.620 Anke: believe you. 00:03:43.980 --> 00:03:44.640 I love that. 00:03:44.640 --> 00:03:45.240 I love that. 00:03:45.510 --> 00:03:52.560 And so, how, How would you describe your approach different from what 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.710 people might have heard or read up on? 00:03:55.710 --> 00:03:56.640 Like what's the 00:03:56.640 --> 00:03:57.180 Julie: difference? 00:03:58.110 --> 00:04:04.380 So the main difference is that we look at helping people and helping the 00:04:04.385 --> 00:04:07.650 dogs away from where the problem is. 00:04:08.590 --> 00:04:12.300 So if you have a reactive dog that reacts to, you know, you're out 00:04:12.300 --> 00:04:13.560 for a walk and it's reacting to a. 00:04:13.935 --> 00:04:17.475 Man in a black cap or a hives jacket or another dog or whatever. 00:04:19.185 --> 00:04:24.015 Trying to work with your dog there is really, really difficult because 00:04:24.015 --> 00:04:25.605 they are already not listening. 00:04:26.085 --> 00:04:27.375 Yeah, yeah. 00:04:27.375 --> 00:04:31.335 So you can distract them, you can shout louder, you can blow whistle, 00:04:31.335 --> 00:04:33.225 you can do all these things. 00:04:33.225 --> 00:04:33.585 Yes. 00:04:34.275 --> 00:04:36.465 But it's just really, really difficult because they're 00:04:36.465 --> 00:04:37.695 not listening at that point. 00:04:38.805 --> 00:04:42.435 The only thing you can do at that point is get the hell out of there. 00:04:43.635 --> 00:04:47.865 Keep your dog safe, show them that you're not going to put them 00:04:47.865 --> 00:04:50.595 through this painful situation. 00:04:51.765 --> 00:04:55.365 You know, listen to them, trust that they're feeling bad. 00:04:55.515 --> 00:04:59.805 They're not doing it just to annoy you ever and get them out of there. 00:05:00.345 --> 00:05:05.745 And all the work that we do is will at home, and then we 00:05:05.745 --> 00:05:07.365 build up slowly from there. 00:05:07.815 --> 00:05:08.145 Yeah. 00:05:08.475 --> 00:05:08.925 I mean 00:05:08.955 --> 00:05:10.635 Anke: that, that makes so much sense to me. 00:05:10.635 --> 00:05:16.515 It's, it's, I remember the first time I heard this idea that my 00:05:16.520 --> 00:05:19.635 only job was to help my dog relax. 00:05:20.925 --> 00:05:20.985 Yeah. 00:05:20.985 --> 00:05:23.685 'cause a relaxed dog just doesn't do stupid shit. 00:05:24.045 --> 00:05:25.125 You know? 00:05:25.125 --> 00:05:29.325 I thought it was so simple, but it's like, yeah, actually, if you look at everything 00:05:29.325 --> 00:05:31.425 through that lens, it's very much that. 00:05:31.830 --> 00:05:35.310 You know, it's like take him out of the stress and, and help them. 00:05:35.640 --> 00:05:36.000 You know? 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.130 So where would you start then At home. 00:05:38.130 --> 00:05:40.230 So you might like, my layer was like that. 00:05:40.230 --> 00:05:42.180 He got bitten when he was little. 00:05:42.390 --> 00:05:47.340 You know, I was, what I sometimes think, looking back, knowing what I 00:05:47.345 --> 00:05:49.950 know now, I'm thinking, well, me being. 00:05:50.400 --> 00:05:51.480 Totally panic. 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:52.500 Probably didn't help. 00:05:52.500 --> 00:05:54.750 Like he would've looked at me and like, well, you are, you 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:56.640 can't trust you to help out here. 00:05:56.940 --> 00:06:00.840 You know, well, you know, so the co whatever conclusion he drew 00:06:00.840 --> 00:06:02.220 then would probably wasn't helpful. 00:06:02.220 --> 00:06:06.870 But, you know, first time, no idea dog mom, that was all I could 00:06:06.870 --> 00:06:09.210 do to just get him out of there. 00:06:09.210 --> 00:06:14.505 But I was panicky, so I was not like, now I am like, I'm a pit bull to go in there. 00:06:14.505 --> 00:06:16.125 I'll tell whatever dog off. 00:06:16.125 --> 00:06:19.305 It's like a whole different presence, you know, 20 years later. 00:06:19.305 --> 00:06:20.415 And it makes a difference. 00:06:20.415 --> 00:06:21.465 Like it makes a difference. 00:06:21.465 --> 00:06:27.135 But, but So now, as a result of that incident, he was always wary of male 00:06:27.135 --> 00:06:30.165 dogs, especially when he was on leash and you, he couldn't go anywhere. 00:06:30.405 --> 00:06:30.705 Right? 00:06:30.795 --> 00:06:36.240 So where would you then, How would you start working with 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:37.950 me to help him with that 00:06:37.950 --> 00:06:40.140 Julie: kind of stuff in that situation? 00:06:40.140 --> 00:06:45.180 So the first thing I would say is that, you know, the judgment and 00:06:45.180 --> 00:06:50.460 the, the added pressure that we put on ourselves after a situation like 00:06:50.465 --> 00:06:52.680 that's really unhelpful and it's. 00:06:53.045 --> 00:06:57.365 Actually really, really helpful to acknowledge that and recognize that 00:06:57.455 --> 00:06:59.405 we are all doing the best we can. 00:06:59.825 --> 00:07:03.485 And you know, for me to think that no dog is ever gonna attack 00:07:03.485 --> 00:07:08.435 my dog because I know what I'm doing, it's just blatant nonsense. 00:07:08.465 --> 00:07:09.605 It's just not true. 00:07:09.995 --> 00:07:11.885 You know, it's like going out in a car. 00:07:12.125 --> 00:07:14.345 You have to deal with the other idiots on the road. 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.550 Yeah, that's just the name of the game. 00:07:18.210 --> 00:07:19.560 There's no around it. 00:07:19.950 --> 00:07:26.100 And so if you are coming to work with me and think that all of a sudden that's 00:07:26.100 --> 00:07:31.140 not going to be an issue, then then you know I'm not the right person for 00:07:31.145 --> 00:07:37.530 you because we don't live in a fluffy pink world where all the other dogs are 00:07:37.530 --> 00:07:40.290 lovely, and your dog's gonna be able to cope with every other dog in the world. 00:07:40.320 --> 00:07:41.160 It's not gonna happen. 00:07:41.610 --> 00:07:43.140 Okay, so let's just. 00:07:43.890 --> 00:07:44.550 Accept that. 00:07:44.670 --> 00:07:45.780 That's just the way of it. 00:07:46.410 --> 00:07:50.880 So the first thing I would do is actually have that conversation, because that 00:07:50.880 --> 00:07:54.390 conversation is really important because as long as we're thinking in our heads 00:07:54.395 --> 00:07:56.850 about all the things that could happen, oh my God, we are gonna fix that. 00:07:56.855 --> 00:07:57.540 Fix that, fix that. 00:07:57.840 --> 00:07:58.200 Okay. 00:07:58.470 --> 00:08:02.160 We we're not gonna be able to do that, but we are gonna be able to 00:08:02.730 --> 00:08:06.810 have a plan in place that's going to help us feel more confident. 00:08:07.320 --> 00:08:07.860 Okay. 00:08:08.790 --> 00:08:11.490 And then the first thing I would say is, okay, you need a two week holiday. 00:08:11.860 --> 00:08:15.630 Your dog needs a two week because your dog's adrenaline is up like this. 00:08:15.690 --> 00:08:17.220 Your adrenaline is up like this. 00:08:17.730 --> 00:08:18.840 So let's take a holiday. 00:08:19.140 --> 00:08:22.290 So by holiday, I mean, um, keep. 00:08:22.725 --> 00:08:27.435 Keep their world as small as you possibly can within the boundaries of your life. 00:08:27.435 --> 00:08:29.835 So it depends if you live in a flat or you, you know, you 00:08:29.835 --> 00:08:31.125 have a garden or whatever. 00:08:31.665 --> 00:08:34.455 Um, but I would basically take a holiday for two weeks. 00:08:34.455 --> 00:08:35.895 That would be the first thing I would do. 00:08:36.435 --> 00:08:39.945 And during that holiday, there would be some changes that I would make at home, 00:08:40.065 --> 00:08:44.025 around food, around, um, the throne. 00:08:44.085 --> 00:08:45.345 We call it The Game of Thrones. 00:08:45.345 --> 00:08:46.305 Whose throne is it? 00:08:47.115 --> 00:08:50.415 Um, and we would do some work, some communication at home. 00:08:50.775 --> 00:08:56.085 During that period and then, and only then now this two week period 00:08:56.775 --> 00:09:00.825 can sometimes last months because if your dog has been stressed for four 00:09:00.825 --> 00:09:03.705 years, two weeks might not cut it. 00:09:03.705 --> 00:09:06.135 It's like, you know, being in a job, you know, and you've 00:09:06.135 --> 00:09:07.515 been in that horrendous job. 00:09:07.545 --> 00:09:09.705 We've all been there with that horrendous boss. 00:09:10.005 --> 00:09:16.680 And you go and you go away on holiday for two weeks, you're like, Two weeks helps, 00:09:16.680 --> 00:09:18.930 but sometimes you just need a bit more. 00:09:19.860 --> 00:09:22.740 Um, so it depends at what level the dog is at. 00:09:22.860 --> 00:09:26.730 And we can, through conversation, I can tell like where your dog is at. 00:09:27.090 --> 00:09:29.220 And then after two weeks we would reassess and we'd say, 00:09:29.220 --> 00:09:30.810 right, okay, what we're gonna do. 00:09:31.370 --> 00:09:35.880 So yeah, without going into what would take about an hour, 00:09:40.530 --> 00:09:44.040 Anke: The gentle nature of that and that gentle guidance. 00:09:44.040 --> 00:09:50.610 But because it, it isn't about kind of wrapping the dog in fluffy wool. 00:09:50.615 --> 00:09:53.070 It's very much about a gentle, calm leadership. 00:09:53.075 --> 00:09:55.530 And that's what I really love about what I'm hearing from you. 00:09:56.910 --> 00:10:02.220 Julie: It's exactly that gentle, calm leadership, um, and going with, by 00:10:02.220 --> 00:10:07.830 that leadership, it's not dominance, it's not dictatorship, it's listening. 00:10:08.220 --> 00:10:11.460 Really, it's listening and saying, okay, so next time, so 00:10:11.460 --> 00:10:12.570 say this has happened, right? 00:10:12.570 --> 00:10:13.470 And you have your two weeks off. 00:10:13.470 --> 00:10:14.760 And I say, right, get out your lead. 00:10:15.660 --> 00:10:18.810 And the dog either goes boom, boom, boom, or hides. 00:10:19.830 --> 00:10:22.890 Then we're gonna put the lead back down and we're gonna wait at least an hour 00:10:23.400 --> 00:10:24.480 and we're gonna bring it out again. 00:10:24.690 --> 00:10:28.650 And we're gonna keep doing that until the dog can cope with the 00:10:28.650 --> 00:10:34.620 idea of leaving the house with four paws on the ground in a calm way. 00:10:35.850 --> 00:10:36.720 That's step one. 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:40.800 Because if your dog can't do that, then they're gonna be reactive 00:10:40.800 --> 00:10:42.100 when they go out, basically. 00:10:42.705 --> 00:10:45.495 That's the game that that is what will happen because they're 00:10:45.495 --> 00:10:47.055 already getting themselves ready. 00:10:47.055 --> 00:10:49.815 They're like, okay, we're going, we're off. 00:10:49.815 --> 00:10:50.055 Right. 00:10:50.055 --> 00:10:50.445 I'm on it. 00:10:50.775 --> 00:10:51.675 What do you need me to do? 00:10:53.115 --> 00:10:55.245 Anke: That is so true, like, because I see the difference 00:10:55.245 --> 00:10:57.825 now with Master Puppy, right? 00:10:58.065 --> 00:11:00.135 Because she has this calm temperament. 00:11:00.345 --> 00:11:00.735 Right? 00:11:00.975 --> 00:11:01.935 And also she's big. 00:11:01.935 --> 00:11:03.255 Nobody messes with her. 00:11:03.900 --> 00:11:06.030 Other people grab their little dogs and run off. 00:11:06.060 --> 00:11:09.960 It's really funny right now we like come along walking like other people. 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.410 You can see even I've seen the guy with a, with a German Shepherd, like hide. 00:11:17.730 --> 00:11:19.770 You know, I mean, she's big, right? 00:11:19.770 --> 00:11:23.400 But she's just turned a year and she doesn't have any of these 00:11:23.400 --> 00:11:27.360 issues because she's calm, she doesn't like, okay, we got on. 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:27.810 Oh, great. 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.180 You know, so whole different energy. 00:11:30.300 --> 00:11:32.430 So she doesn't pull, she doesn't get. 00:11:32.820 --> 00:11:35.160 Like people bark, like dogs bark at her. 00:11:35.160 --> 00:11:37.200 Cats run by not my problem. 00:11:37.380 --> 00:11:41.040 'cause she starts out calm, like it's a whole different temperament than 00:11:41.040 --> 00:11:45.150 the little dogs who are like, let's go and, you know, take on the world 00:11:45.150 --> 00:11:49.710 that, that, but that difference in energy makes all like and is true. 00:11:49.770 --> 00:11:51.960 It starts within the house. 00:11:52.290 --> 00:11:53.550 She's, she's come. 00:11:54.075 --> 00:11:55.785 When we are leaving, right? 00:11:55.790 --> 00:11:57.975 And then there's no issue on the outside. 00:11:57.975 --> 00:12:00.045 Whereas the little ones are like, oh, we cold. 00:12:00.050 --> 00:12:00.465 We're going out. 00:12:00.585 --> 00:12:01.185 We're going out. 00:12:01.185 --> 00:12:02.115 This is gonna be fun. 00:12:02.115 --> 00:12:05.325 You know, and it's, you know, all revved up and it's a lot more 00:12:05.625 --> 00:12:07.635 difficult to reign that energy in. 00:12:08.790 --> 00:12:09.240 Julie: Yeah. 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:12.960 And also for the, you know, the guy with the German Shepherd Shepherd or the other 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:18.330 dogs that go past, you know, it's helpful to recognize that he might be doing that 00:12:18.335 --> 00:12:20.520 because he knows his dog is reactive. 00:12:20.760 --> 00:12:24.660 So he's like, okay, I'm gonna take the sensible action here, and, 00:12:25.920 --> 00:12:26.640 Anke: which is beautiful. 00:12:26.640 --> 00:12:27.150 I love it. 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:27.900 I love it. 00:12:27.930 --> 00:12:31.770 And I've had like, you know, we've had this, you know, because I, I 00:12:31.770 --> 00:12:34.860 really appreciate that because when I would come with Leo and other 00:12:34.860 --> 00:12:39.375 people, Kind of could, you could see that he was getting tense and anxious 00:12:39.375 --> 00:12:41.385 and people just like, I don't care. 00:12:41.685 --> 00:12:42.885 My dog goes past. 00:12:42.885 --> 00:12:46.065 Or when they then come and says, oh, well, you know, why don't you want 00:12:46.065 --> 00:12:50.025 pe the dogs to greet each other and literally shove him in their face? 00:12:50.415 --> 00:12:51.795 And I've always hated that. 00:12:51.795 --> 00:12:54.975 So I, I just like give him some space for God's sake. 00:12:54.975 --> 00:12:55.125 Right. 00:12:55.835 --> 00:12:59.065 Julie: Yeah, my dog's friendly if I've heard Yeah. 00:12:59.385 --> 00:12:59.665 A million 00:12:59.665 --> 00:12:59.945 Anke: times. 00:13:00.285 --> 00:13:00.985 Yep, yep, yep. 00:13:03.845 --> 00:13:04.805 Yeah, exactly. 00:13:05.135 --> 00:13:11.555 So you have a very interesting and fun way for people to find out a little bit 00:13:11.560 --> 00:13:13.625 more about your approach and how you work. 00:13:13.955 --> 00:13:14.465 Julie: Tell us about it. 00:13:15.335 --> 00:13:15.845 Okay. 00:13:15.845 --> 00:13:17.315 So yes, I do. 00:13:17.435 --> 00:13:18.575 It is great fun. 00:13:19.055 --> 00:13:22.985 Um, and it's uh, what I call a free, this one is called, 00:13:23.595 --> 00:13:25.635 Three, three days of action. 00:13:26.325 --> 00:13:29.205 So it's kind of like a challenge, but it's, we're focusing on 00:13:29.205 --> 00:13:30.705 the action part this time. 00:13:31.155 --> 00:13:34.365 Um, so you can come along, join me in Facebook. 00:13:34.455 --> 00:13:37.245 Um, I do like a training video. 00:13:37.275 --> 00:13:43.455 We have q and as, we have conversation, and it's really about being open to the 00:13:43.455 --> 00:13:47.025 idea that there is something different to whatever you're doing at the moment. 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.400 That isn't working, that might work. 00:13:50.790 --> 00:13:54.240 And so that's all I ask of anyone is just, you know, you can sign up, 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:59.220 come along with an open mind and be ready to hear something different. 00:13:59.910 --> 00:14:00.990 And it's great. 00:14:01.050 --> 00:14:02.100 We have a great time. 00:14:02.105 --> 00:14:02.910 Really enjoy it. 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:04.200 People see results. 00:14:04.515 --> 00:14:08.055 Literally within that three days, you know, they see a relaxing because 00:14:08.055 --> 00:14:12.915 if you go away and actually do the things, um, I have a free ebook that's 00:14:12.915 --> 00:14:14.715 on my website that you can download. 00:14:14.805 --> 00:14:17.895 I always recommend people do that at the start of the three days anyway, 00:14:18.165 --> 00:14:19.695 so you've kind of got it all there. 00:14:20.145 --> 00:14:24.555 Um, So you can, yeah, you can literally just start day one and 00:14:24.555 --> 00:14:26.505 um, put it into action and we'll pop 00:14:26.505 --> 00:14:26.985 Anke: the links. 00:14:26.985 --> 00:14:30.015 It's gonna be below wherever you're listening or watching this, 00:14:30.020 --> 00:14:32.715 so no, it will be easy to find. 00:14:32.715 --> 00:14:33.375 So thank you. 00:14:33.380 --> 00:14:34.335 Thank you so much. 00:14:34.335 --> 00:14:38.055 And uh, I love what you're doing for dogs and their people. 00:14:38.295 --> 00:14:39.015 Julie: Thank you. 00:14:39.015 --> 00:14:40.075 I love talking about 'em. 00:14:40.995 --> 00:14:41.475 Anke: Awesome. 00:14:42.285 --> 00:14:42.915 Take care. 00:14:43.545 --> 00:14:43.905 Julie: Thanks. 00:14:43.905 --> 00:14:44.385 Bye. 00:14:45.298 --> 00:14:46.528 Thanks so much for listening. 00:14:47.048 --> 00:14:51.348 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:14:51.448 --> 00:14:53.228 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:14:54.018 --> 00:14:57.508 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:14:57.938 --> 00:15:03.508 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:15:03.608 --> 00:15:05.978 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:15:05.978 --> 00:15:09.708 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:15:10.128 --> 00:15:11.268 I'd love an introduction. 00:15:11.748 --> 00:15:13.578 Email me at Anke. 00:15:13.848 --> 00:15:18.083 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.