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You are listening to the USDN on the

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DFPN.

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Thank you.

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What is up, everybody?

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It's the chairman here of the United

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States Department of Nerds,

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where we are for the people,

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by the people, and of the people.

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And today,

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we're joined by artists whose work isn't

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just about visuals.

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It's about emotion, expression,

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and purpose.

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From comic art to fine art to apparel

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design and deeply personal storytelling,

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our guest uses creativity as a tool to

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evoke thought, spark feeling,

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and help heal.

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one mind at a time we're talking with

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lloyd cheatham jr tonight the creator

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behind cheat designs and today we're

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diving into his upcoming self-published

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comic book brother to the night not of

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the night i made that mistake so many

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times the council of nerds is now in

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session lloyd welcome to the united states

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department of nerds wow man i'm looking

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like who you're introducing i don't even

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know who this guy is thank you that

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was that was a great introduction man i'm

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like that's what's happening this well we

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got a clown already popping up in here

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I know.

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I love this guy.

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I love that guy.

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I do, too.

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He'll be joining us on the twenty sixth.

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So stay tuned for that announcement.

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We'll have Matt back on the show again

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with Ray to talk about their upcoming

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project as well.

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Yes, sir.

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Always happy to have them on.

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And Lloyd, tonight,

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I'm happy to have you on to talk

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about this.

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I do apologize on my.

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advertisement for your appearance.

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I did say it was a Kickstarter.

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It will not be a Kickstarter.

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It will be self-published and sold through

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Amazon Fulfillment, correct?

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Yes, and I'm printing some myself too.

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And printing some himself.

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I got a print company that I got

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myself that I print and they're going to

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run it through there.

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Bet.

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I'm going to keep that in mind because

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I got something coming.

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Hey, anything printed, I can get it.

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I like it.

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I like it, man.

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So Lloyd,

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for those meeting you for the first time,

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who is Lloyd and how did your journey

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as an artist begin?

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Well,

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I've adopted the moniker The Angry Artist

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because we get asked some of the most

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dumbest questions ever, ever, ever, ever.

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You know, like, can you do this?

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Why you do that?

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Why you charge so much?

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And all that.

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It's up to shape of who I was.

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From a younger age,

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my mom gave me pencils and stuff to

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keep me busy because I was an only

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child for a while.

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And then she realized, he's kind of good.

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You know what I'm saying?

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You know, then older I got,

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I remember I was supposed to go into

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this school.

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We had to be like eleventh grade to

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get there, get in.

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I was in ninth grade.

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Took me there.

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I showed them my portfolio and everything

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else.

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First thing they said was,

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you didn't do this.

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I said, yeah, I did.

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gave me a pencil, gave me paper,

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right on the spot, started drawing it.

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He said, you start in January.

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Nice.

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And all that time,

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I was just drawing rappers and cars and

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shoes and normal stuff.

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Then lo and behold,

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around the corner from my house,

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my own pop grocery store had comic books.

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Nice.

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I remember those days, man,

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with the ninety nine cents and the dollar

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comics.

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And I mean,

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they weren't nothing great or spectacular,

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but it was something.

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You know what I'm saying?

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All the new stuff.

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Oh, they had all the new stuff.

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New stuff.

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Like I get the good stuff, man.

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We got, you know, the unknown stuff.

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When Topic Filer restarted Spider-Man,

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I got one of those out of there.

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Oh, nice.

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Damn.

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Exactly.

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And then one of my best friends from

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school got me into anime because he had

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a Japanese pen pal.

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You couldn't really get it back then,

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like age, early nineties.

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You couldn't really get it.

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Everything we got was non-subtitle.

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We watched and we're like, ooh, ooh.

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We don't know what they're saying,

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but all we know is they're fighting.

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And then it got to the point where,

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hey, I can do that.

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I can draw like that.

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I was a teenager before I realized there

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was comic shops out there.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah.

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And the only reason I realized they had

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comics is because we would go in there

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for baseball cards and football cards and

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stuff like that.

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And I looked over one day.

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I had never looked over.

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Like, my focus was, like, baseball cards,

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football cards.

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Right.

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And he's got these racks of comic books.

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I mean, it wasn't big.

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His main thing he sold was, you know,

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football cards and baseball cards,

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basketball.

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And I started flipping through the comics,

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and that's when I discovered, like, Spawn.

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Yep.

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Like, he had the very first Spawn.

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Yep.

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And I was like, ooh, that looks cool.

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Let me get that.

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So my very first comic book I actually

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ever bought

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It was an indie comic and it happened

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to be Spawn.

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That's great.

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I've been keeping up with Spawn ever since

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then.

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It's just kind of wild that I was

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that old

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When I really, there was,

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they sold comic books in comic book shops

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and sports car places and stuff like that.

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And I was just like, this is cool.

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Yeah.

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And that's also a time I started forging

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my mentality about comics and everything.

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I didn't realize my thought process was so

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in tune with certain creators.

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Seeing Todd McFarlane and Jim Lee and all

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them leave.

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Oh, yeah.

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But the way Todd thinks and everything

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else, fast forward to now,

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watching his documentary on SyFy,

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I could be looking in the mirror the

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way he thought.

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I just didn't have the drive and

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opportunity that he had then.

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If I had the same opportunity,

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I probably would be out there just like

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that now.

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Dude,

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his drive to change the industry could be

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studied.

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I'm surprised it's not studied more.

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I just literally read...

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Somebody had just rewrote an article about

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his rise.

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Yep.

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And it was crazy that somebody here in

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twenty twenty six was going back to

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re-explore him leaving Marvel,

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start an image with Jim Lee and Liefeld

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and those guys.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Silvestri.

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And you still,

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you look back on their art now and

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you're like, some of the best art,

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some of the best writing.

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And it's just like, wow.

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Todd is still leading Image Comics.

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I could say they're easily...

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I know they're still looked at as an

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indie comic,

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but they're easily the number three comic

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producer in the world.

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Maybe number two.

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To me, they probably surpass DC.

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They are number two.

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They are definitely number two.

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Jim Lee is the freaking head of DC

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Comics, which is wild to think about now.

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He's literally leading DC Comics.

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Yeah,

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somebody that was a veterinarian picked up

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an anime book and turned it into one

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of the best comic book artists in the

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world.

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That's why Todd is where he's at now.

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It's because he grabs the best writers and

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puts them in charge of his own products

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now.

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He knows what he's doing.

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But, you know,

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the reason the thing that built Image

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really was they told them what they

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couldn't do.

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Yes.

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And they said, well, watch me.

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Creator-owned comics was absurd at the

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time.

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You can't do that.

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Why not?

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I wrote it.

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I draw it.

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Why is it not mine?

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Image still stands on that today,

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and I'd love to see that.

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Right.

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When they were told how to create,

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you gotta be within the panels.

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You can't do all that.

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Why?

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Says who?

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That's the way it's always been done.

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And so that's how you innovate.

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You don't do what always has been done.

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You got to change things.

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You got to grow.

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You know what I'm saying?

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If you don't grow, everything gets boring.

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Oh, yeah.

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I don't want to see the same old

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four panels on the screen, every page,

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everybody in the same panel.

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I don't want to see that.

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Give me the dynamic part.

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Give me stuff out the panels,

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off the page.

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What's crazy is when you think about it

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like this,

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if those guys wouldn't have left to make

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Image, would what's his name?

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James Tinian be where he is right now.

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Probably not.

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With multiple comic books being signed to

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TV deals, to movie deals.

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What about Image?

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I mean, what about Invincible?

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Will we have that?

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Invincible?

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Absolutely not.

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Probably not.

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We have Walking Dead.

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Probably not.

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You got to look at everything.

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You got to look at the whole outcome

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because of what they did.

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They broke the mold and said,

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you know what?

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watch this they're still doing it i mean

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they just acquired skybound skybound now

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has the ips for gi joe transformers and

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that now they're now in the enter they're

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both inside the energon universe yeah it's

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only a matter of time before that gets

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an animated series it's already been

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rumored

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that they are going to get a series

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between G.I.

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Joe and Transformers.

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Oh, yes.

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They also put in Void Rivals into this

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Energon universe as well,

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which I don't know if you follow Void

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Rivals is a great read as well.

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No, I don't.

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I might have to read that.

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No, I don't.

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I've been kind of with my head down.

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I've been reading a whole lot lately.

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What's been taking up my whole time

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besides painting and drawing my own comic

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has been the Absolute Universe.

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That's been taking up all my reading time.

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So it's crazy.

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I didn't do the Absolute Universe.

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I've been picking up certain covers from

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certain artists.

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I just picked up the Poison Ivy.

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I picked up the Big Cat Woman.

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One that did just come out.

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I picked up the Absolute.

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The one with the Joker on it.

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Mm-hmm.

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picked up the march spears foil collector

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covers of the holy trinity i got that

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it's and it's just been like picking and

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choosing i started reading the absolute

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flash because some like some person was

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like oh it's the best thing ever and

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i was just like i made it about

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ten issues and i was like i'm done

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and i i'm usually that way with dc

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Like,

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DC and Marvel both cannot hold my

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attention longer than maybe ten issues.

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Okay.

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But that Batman just got me.

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But no.

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So what I've been doing is, like,

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when the trade paperbacks drop,

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I go pick up the trade paperbacks now.

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That makes sense.

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Yeah.

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makes a lot of sense you know for

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me it was like they're not doing the

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same old everything else it's kind of like

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the image thing that's how i was going

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with this they took batman put him

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somewhere else he doesn't belong and it's

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like he's an average joe basically he's

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smart yeah yeah they took they stripped

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everybody and that's what has been

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actually and what i really am enjoying now

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having trade paperbacks of them i enjoy it

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more yes

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but the stripped-down,

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raw versions of who the Bruce Wayne is.

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He's a construction worker.

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He's a normal nine-to-five Joe.

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At night, he's just a badass.

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We'll absolutely kill you, too.

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He has no problem smirking.

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Right and left.

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Like, wow, that's different.

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Like I did just pick up the cover

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that just come out.

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I think it's like the fifteenth print

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because I missed it.

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Oh, I feel murk in the KKK.

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Oh, really?

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I got.

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Yeah, I got that.

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I picked up.

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The newest Catwoman with the Court of Owls

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on the cover this week.

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And then I picked up.

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I know it's going to sound weird,

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but when people start doing speculations

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on certain titles, that Nightwing title,

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the sweater edition with the open chest.

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Yeah.

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It's already selling for like thirty seven

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bucks on the secondary market.

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Oh, wow.

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It just come out Wednesday.

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It do.

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Yeah.

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I picked it up for five ninety nine.

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I didn't even I could turn in a

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profit.

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I could turn in a profit right now

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for.

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thirty five bucks which is wild to me

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i might get on a show when we're

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done because you know my comic shop was

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giving me shit he's like why are you

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buying this i'm like because it's already

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selling on the secondary market for like

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thirty five bucks why would i not go

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ahead and grab that up right that means

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like he's like you just wanted the open

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chest of the see nightwing's chest might

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Call it what you will, dude,

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but I'm about to flip this.

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The moment it leaves the shelf and people

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start looking for it,

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I'm going to flip me a profit on

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it.

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Yes,

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and all those blank covers of all of

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them, I got them all.

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I got all the blank covers.

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You can move those so quick.

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Yes.

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Matt, you're absolutely right, dude.

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He is the set symbol of all time,

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and it's canon.

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Literally,

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it's been said in the comic book.

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And my comic book shop wondered why I

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paid five ninety nine and and willing to

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sell it for thirty five ninety nine.

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I don't care.

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I don't care.

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That's my pure profit.

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That's thirty bucks.

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That's money.

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And you didn't do nothing but go one

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place to the other.

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That's all you did.

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Nothing special, nothing special at all.

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And Matt's chiming in about me and my

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two panels, because, yes,

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think about this.

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I look at I look at a comic

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book page.

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It's nine by six.

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Mm hmm.

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A little bitty pages and panels in the

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middle.

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no i'm fifty two i don't wanna read

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that crap no oh dude i can't tell

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you the number of times where i've had

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to put my glasses on still couldn't read

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the panel because it was so small went

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and got it online because i have the

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um the dc and the marvel and the

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image stuff that you can get online the

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comic app or whatever commentsology

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Go read it over there so I can

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zoom in and see what it says.

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That's the worst thing ever in this day

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and age.

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I'm sorry, Matt.

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Dude, it's horrible.

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It's horrible, Matt.

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We're not in the eighties no more.

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We're not in the eighties.

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Let it go.

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Let it go.

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Let it go.

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Don't follow that Twitter.

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Dude, no.

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No.

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Matt, shame on you, buddy.

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Shame on you.

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I'm going to give you shit next week.

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That means he did it.

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That means he did it already.

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Dude, it's his page.

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He owns it.

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That's his Twitter account.

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Okay, yeah.

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I don't Twitter that much,

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so I don't know.

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I don't either.

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But the way he's talking about it,

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that's got to be his page.

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It's got to be.

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It's got to be.

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We're on to you, Matt.

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We're on to you, buddy.

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I've been on to his little weird butt.

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That's my friend.

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That's my boy, but he's a little weirdo.

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Shut up like that.

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Weirdo.

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So you operate under multiple creative

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banners.

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You got cheap designs.

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You're the angry artist.

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Seventy four.

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Are both of these you or is one

00:16:29.700 --> 00:16:30.159
like you?

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represents you creatively and the other

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one is your personally?

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Like, you see what I'm saying?

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There are technically three because Cheat

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Designs is, I did this right,

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Cheat Designs is the parent company and

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then I have one up under it for

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my comics, Upstart's comics.

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Gotcha.

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Yeah.

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The angry artist is just who I am

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on my podcast.

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Gotcha.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Because I had a new freeing of mental

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states as I got older and the F's

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were not given anymore.

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They got a lot fewer and far between

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because I quit being so filtered because

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there's nobody else's filter.

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Why do I got to be?

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Yeah.

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I can say what I want like everybody

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else.

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I don't be more in your face about

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it though and not care because what are

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you going to do?

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Can't whoop me.

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Dude, yeah.

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But sometimes you have to get it across

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so people understand you.

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They'll play you soft and everything and

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think you're different because you're not

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speaking up for yourself.

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I said just avoiding confrontation.

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That was me.

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Now I'm like, oh,

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you got something to say?

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Say it.

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Come on.

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I got something back for you.

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Come on.

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I'm ready.

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I'm so ready.

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Here's that line.

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Here's the line.

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You want to cross it?

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Please.

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We are part of the original F-A-L, F-A-L,

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F-O-L.

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generation.

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And if you don't know and you push

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that line, that's your fault.

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That's your fault.

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You came over here poking the bear.

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The bear's trying to sleep.

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He's trying to relax.

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Let him be.

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We're getting older, man.

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We're getting old.

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That's what it is.

00:18:08.103 --> 00:18:08.782
Just leave us alone.

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You see us yelling at clouds?

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Just leave us alone.

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Let me be.

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Let me be.

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See, everything makes sense now with Matt,

00:18:16.625 --> 00:18:16.786
though.

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He does cosplay Nightwing.

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He cosplays Nightwing.

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He cosplays... Wolverine is awesome, too.

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Captain America is, too.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It really is.

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He's angry and thirsty and... Shut up,

00:18:31.704 --> 00:18:32.005
fool.

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I'm not talking to him right now.

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He's lucky he's my friend.

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He's really lucky.

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What you got for me?

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When did you realize art could be more

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than just visuals for you?

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Like you can actually evoke thoughts and

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emotions and help heal through your art.

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Cause I know you,

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you do have a show coming up.

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I think February seventh.

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Yep.

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I'm not mistaken.

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Yep.

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A few years ago, I'll say about,

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it's about six or seven now.

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I bought a house.

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and congrats it's a great feeling yeah

00:19:01.580 --> 00:19:04.122
great feeling and um it needs some work

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and being out you know i'm in the

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trades i can i work with carpenters and

00:19:07.682 --> 00:19:09.503
everybody else i'm building my comics

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build my cabinets i'm doing the face the

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face the front um front face yeah yeah

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and then this happens oh dude and all

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my life i've been ambidextrous now all of

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a sudden i'm not

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That was an eye-opener.

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I'm not laughing at you, man.

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It's just one of those weird fucking

00:19:32.106 --> 00:19:32.886
accidents.

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It was kind of like,

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and I had quit drawing for a long

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time because I had such a great job.

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I quit drawing.

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I only did play with myself.

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That was kind of like the wake-up dummy.

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You got talent, use it.

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So I started doing more and doing more

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and doing more.

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And I actually had to go up there

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because my hand, cause you know,

00:19:51.468 --> 00:19:53.009
messing with me on my head,

00:19:53.410 --> 00:19:54.692
that I hadn't been able to work on

00:19:54.711 --> 00:19:55.772
for myself through therapy.

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And then I said,

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how can I show other people what I'm

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feeling and maybe evoke them?

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I'll start painting again.

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Not drawing comics.

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I'll start painting.

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So I'll start painting and painting.

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I'll never forget this.

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It was last summer.

00:20:10.699 --> 00:20:12.759
I remember my first big art shows up

00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:14.421
here called Palmer Park.

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Very big art show.

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This guy could have been about fifty yards

00:20:17.202 --> 00:20:17.383
away.

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He's talking to somebody.

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I'm thinking of talking about my business.

00:20:20.125 --> 00:20:22.786
He's looking, talking, looking, talking.

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Then he makes a beeline to my tent.

00:20:25.788 --> 00:20:26.749
He says, I want that.

00:20:28.342 --> 00:20:29.903
didn't ask him how much it was.

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And there he said,

00:20:31.044 --> 00:20:32.065
I heard it way over there.

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And it's how I feel.

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There's a man sitting like this,

00:20:36.869 --> 00:20:37.810
all these colors behind him.

00:20:38.090 --> 00:20:39.211
He was kind of driving everything else,

00:20:39.231 --> 00:20:39.751
all the colors.

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He says,

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those are the thoughts going through his

00:20:41.233 --> 00:20:41.453
head.

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I'm like, wow,

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that ain't what I wanted to do,

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but I like it.

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And that's when I start opening the doors

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that I'm touching people in ways I didn't

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know I could.

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Yeah.

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It made me feel actually good.

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It inspired me to do even more.

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Because art is therapy.

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Art can help people.

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And it speaks to everybody differently.

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Some people see that.

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Some people just see, oh, pretty colors,

00:21:09.397 --> 00:21:09.798
whatever.

00:21:10.018 --> 00:21:10.758
Nice composition.

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But it helps.

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It helps me more than anybody,

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to be honest.

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Get out my head.

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No.

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And it's...

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I'm trying to ignore Matt,

00:21:20.632 --> 00:21:22.753
but Matt's just dropping great shit in the

00:21:22.794 --> 00:21:23.173
chat.

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Dude, he's hilarious.

00:21:24.755 --> 00:21:27.057
He's like, see me, love me.

00:21:29.198 --> 00:21:30.778
He really is, especially tonight.

00:21:30.979 --> 00:21:32.640
He's on it tonight, man.

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Because I'm on here.

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Goofy butt.

00:21:35.942 --> 00:21:38.443
But it's amazing how something so simple

00:21:38.483 --> 00:21:39.605
can speak to you.

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You know what I'm saying?

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I don't collect art,

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but when Batman spawned,

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The newest one come out last year,

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I think it was.

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And my comic book shop got the big

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vinyl poster of that.

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The cover A with Jim Lee.

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It was Capullo and McFarlane.

00:22:00.171 --> 00:22:02.972
Capullo did the Batman and McFarlane did

00:22:03.012 --> 00:22:04.795
his spawn on the poster.

00:22:05.494 --> 00:22:06.856
I fell in love with that thing.

00:22:06.936 --> 00:22:09.578
I told my comic shop, I'm like, hey,

00:22:09.598 --> 00:22:10.459
whenever you're done with that,

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I'll pay for it.

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Just tell me how much you want for

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it.

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I'll buy it.

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Right.

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And he was like, all right, yeah,

00:22:19.315 --> 00:22:19.756
I got you.

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And so, cause I mean,

00:22:21.017 --> 00:22:22.337
I was getting all the covers anyway.

00:22:22.397 --> 00:22:25.901
Like I'm a huge, huge fan of spawn.

00:22:25.941 --> 00:22:28.702
I like Batman to some degree,

00:22:28.762 --> 00:22:29.703
certain storylines.

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I love hush, that kind of stuff.

00:22:31.625 --> 00:22:32.105
Yes.

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I liked a war dogs with the original

00:22:34.467 --> 00:22:36.108
spawn versus Batman or whatever.

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And spawn got the split down his face.

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Yes.

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And they just sewed it up and then

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they retconned it.

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And yeah,

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So the following week,

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I go in to pick up my weeklies,

00:22:48.601 --> 00:22:49.121
and he's like, hey,

00:22:49.141 --> 00:22:50.241
I got something for you.

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He had gotten me the poster,

00:22:52.282 --> 00:22:53.843
like the full vinyl poster.

00:22:53.863 --> 00:22:54.563
Oh, wow.

00:22:54.583 --> 00:22:56.523
So it's literally on my wall right here,

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and that thing means the world to me.

00:23:00.444 --> 00:23:02.586
Like, he just, no hesitation whatsoever.

00:23:03.105 --> 00:23:04.385
I was like, I figure I'll just wait,

00:23:04.405 --> 00:23:04.846
you know,

00:23:04.866 --> 00:23:06.446
three or four months until he's done with

00:23:06.507 --> 00:23:06.606
it,

00:23:07.146 --> 00:23:08.347
and then I'll just buy it off of

00:23:08.367 --> 00:23:08.468
him.

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But he was like...

00:23:11.094 --> 00:23:11.434
He's like, no, dude.

00:23:11.454 --> 00:23:12.335
He's like, I got you.

00:23:12.355 --> 00:23:12.974
That was dope.

00:23:13.496 --> 00:23:15.135
And what's funny, when that came out,

00:23:15.155 --> 00:23:16.176
I was at a comic book con.

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And what I've learned to do,

00:23:18.238 --> 00:23:19.659
so I don't get asked for commissions,

00:23:20.078 --> 00:23:21.118
I'll be drawing at the table.

00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:24.320
Because I don't like people over my head

00:23:24.340 --> 00:23:25.740
being extra critical while I'm drawing.

00:23:25.942 --> 00:23:26.781
Like, I don't like that.

00:23:27.281 --> 00:23:27.741
It bothers me.

00:23:28.022 --> 00:23:29.643
But I was doing a Batman spawn.

00:23:30.344 --> 00:23:30.703
Oh, really?

00:23:31.183 --> 00:23:31.624
That's dope.

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This dude was like,

00:23:33.464 --> 00:23:34.204
is that what I think it is?

00:23:34.265 --> 00:23:34.705
I said, yeah.

00:23:34.746 --> 00:23:36.266
He goes, I'm going to take your drawing.

00:23:36.286 --> 00:23:36.646
I said, by the way,

00:23:36.666 --> 00:23:37.567
it's in about three minutes.

00:23:37.586 --> 00:23:38.247
He goes, I'll come back.

00:23:38.528 --> 00:23:39.048
He said, I want it.

00:23:39.934 --> 00:23:42.038
I wasn't doing it to sell it.

00:23:42.097 --> 00:23:42.878
To sell, yeah.

00:23:42.999 --> 00:23:45.001
I was doing it to keep me occupied,

00:23:45.041 --> 00:23:46.002
basically, from getting out.

00:23:46.463 --> 00:23:47.525
And he came back and got it.

00:23:47.546 --> 00:23:49.407
And I was like, wow.

00:23:49.627 --> 00:23:52.291
So this is what will drive me crazy.

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When you go to a con now,

00:23:54.295 --> 00:23:56.136
and when I go now, I'm very...

00:23:57.801 --> 00:23:59.202
There's certain things I want to do while

00:23:59.222 --> 00:24:00.503
I'm there, and I want to be gone.

00:24:01.164 --> 00:24:02.885
I want to see the people who I

00:24:02.945 --> 00:24:04.386
picked out books to have signed,

00:24:05.186 --> 00:24:06.188
and that's it.

00:24:06.248 --> 00:24:07.308
I don't need to shop around.

00:24:07.368 --> 00:24:09.190
I just want certain things signed by

00:24:09.250 --> 00:24:12.813
whoever's there, and then I'm gone.

00:24:15.214 --> 00:24:18.237
Inyuk Lee was supposed to be at GalaxyCon.

00:24:18.257 --> 00:24:18.616
Oh, nice.

00:24:20.814 --> 00:24:22.935
But he spent so much time in his

00:24:22.976 --> 00:24:25.838
hotel room working on commissions that he

00:24:25.858 --> 00:24:28.981
didn't have time to sign anything.

00:24:29.803 --> 00:24:30.743
What?

00:24:30.824 --> 00:24:32.385
Yeah.

00:24:32.405 --> 00:24:33.807
Because he was being commissioned.

00:24:34.627 --> 00:24:35.087
Of course,

00:24:35.107 --> 00:24:37.130
he's going to make the extra money on

00:24:37.150 --> 00:24:39.152
the side because they're not getting paid

00:24:39.192 --> 00:24:40.314
that much for their appearance.

00:24:40.334 --> 00:24:41.654
They're getting room and board or

00:24:41.694 --> 00:24:42.194
whatever.

00:24:43.135 --> 00:24:44.136
Their meals comped.

00:24:44.872 --> 00:24:47.373
but their money is made off of commissions

00:24:47.413 --> 00:24:48.493
while they're at these cons.

00:24:48.513 --> 00:24:49.634
So they may only show up to the

00:24:49.674 --> 00:24:52.576
car for like an hour or two and

00:24:52.596 --> 00:24:53.277
then they're gone.

00:24:53.876 --> 00:24:54.057
They're,

00:24:54.238 --> 00:24:55.538
they're back to doing commissions.

00:24:56.699 --> 00:24:59.560
And I was like, his, cause he had,

00:24:59.580 --> 00:25:01.922
he had done a cat woman, the, uh,

00:25:01.942 --> 00:25:03.643
the kimono cat woman that he had done

00:25:03.843 --> 00:25:04.584
like last year.

00:25:04.963 --> 00:25:05.183
Yep.

00:25:05.243 --> 00:25:06.184
I wanted that signed.

00:25:06.265 --> 00:25:07.664
And then he had done a few, uh,

00:25:07.684 --> 00:25:08.806
something that's killing the children

00:25:08.846 --> 00:25:10.426
covers that I wanted to have signed.

00:25:11.307 --> 00:25:11.867
And, um,

00:25:13.762 --> 00:25:14.442
Wasn't even there.

00:25:15.523 --> 00:25:16.523
Couldn't find the guy.

00:25:16.564 --> 00:25:17.284
They were like,

00:25:17.324 --> 00:25:18.503
he's doing commissions right now.

00:25:18.525 --> 00:25:19.644
He'll be down at this time.

00:25:19.964 --> 00:25:21.045
I'm not going to be here then.

00:25:22.486 --> 00:25:24.526
But they get paid for their autographs

00:25:24.566 --> 00:25:24.806
too.

00:25:25.926 --> 00:25:26.227
Right?

00:25:26.507 --> 00:25:28.528
I'm not crazy.

00:25:28.567 --> 00:25:30.127
The first five are free,

00:25:30.147 --> 00:25:31.669
but anything over five,

00:25:32.229 --> 00:25:35.029
they will charge for.

00:25:35.250 --> 00:25:36.730
I'm not trying to resell.

00:25:36.809 --> 00:25:37.869
I'm just trying to get for me.

00:25:38.310 --> 00:25:40.191
There's certain things that I just want to

00:25:40.230 --> 00:25:40.830
have signed.

00:25:41.491 --> 00:25:42.092
I get that.

00:25:42.132 --> 00:25:42.511
Yeah.

00:25:43.669 --> 00:25:43.868
Now,

00:25:43.949 --> 00:25:45.971
if he would offer like a special artist

00:25:46.011 --> 00:25:47.233
signature or something like that,

00:25:47.253 --> 00:25:48.955
then yeah, I would pay extra for that.

00:25:49.436 --> 00:25:50.538
But most of them, it's just like...

00:25:52.122 --> 00:25:52.521
Whatever.

00:25:52.902 --> 00:25:53.942
Like Tyler Kirkham.

00:25:54.623 --> 00:25:55.143
Yes.

00:25:55.202 --> 00:25:57.344
He has an art signature that he charges

00:25:57.544 --> 00:25:57.963
for.

00:25:58.624 --> 00:25:58.884
He does.

00:25:58.963 --> 00:26:01.785
And then he just has a signature that

00:26:02.285 --> 00:26:03.726
he'll do if you don't like.

00:26:04.145 --> 00:26:07.007
But his art signature is so dope that

00:26:07.946 --> 00:26:08.987
you kind of want to pay for that

00:26:09.027 --> 00:26:09.886
extra money for it.

00:26:09.906 --> 00:26:10.607
You know what I'm saying?

00:26:10.807 --> 00:26:11.407
I was asking.

00:26:11.448 --> 00:26:11.688
I was like,

00:26:11.708 --> 00:26:13.248
I didn't know people like that charge for

00:26:13.268 --> 00:26:13.669
it.

00:26:13.769 --> 00:26:14.048
Okay.

00:26:14.189 --> 00:26:14.568
I didn't know.

00:26:14.588 --> 00:26:16.750
Because I don't really fanboy out like

00:26:16.769 --> 00:26:17.250
that a lot.

00:26:17.269 --> 00:26:18.210
I really don't.

00:26:19.231 --> 00:26:20.471
It happened to be one good time.

00:26:20.531 --> 00:26:21.873
I was down in Chicago going to Wizard

00:26:21.893 --> 00:26:22.113
World.

00:26:22.133 --> 00:26:23.653
We're checking out a hotel.

00:26:24.073 --> 00:26:24.854
A boy like, turn around.

00:26:24.874 --> 00:26:25.634
I said, leave me alone.

00:26:25.653 --> 00:26:26.054
Check him out.

00:26:26.233 --> 00:26:26.653
Turn around.

00:26:28.354 --> 00:26:29.414
There was this little short Asian.

00:26:30.835 --> 00:26:33.036
Really tall white guy.

00:26:33.056 --> 00:26:34.675
Jim Lee and some vegetables standing right

00:26:34.695 --> 00:26:37.517
behind us.

00:26:37.537 --> 00:26:37.977
I was like,

00:26:38.951 --> 00:26:41.731
I would have been nothing to say.

00:26:42.571 --> 00:26:43.653
I had no words.

00:26:44.093 --> 00:26:44.313
Yeah.

00:26:44.673 --> 00:26:45.713
But we got to go on the con,

00:26:46.094 --> 00:26:46.413
you know,

00:26:46.554 --> 00:26:47.594
and talk to him and everything else.

00:26:47.653 --> 00:26:49.174
It was it was just surreal.

00:26:49.275 --> 00:26:51.776
There's people that happen to be sweet

00:26:51.796 --> 00:26:52.036
people.

00:26:52.056 --> 00:26:52.935
Dude,

00:26:52.996 --> 00:26:54.257
I've heard Jim Lee is like one of

00:26:54.297 --> 00:26:55.737
the nicest freaking people.

00:26:56.778 --> 00:26:57.417
He is.

00:26:58.478 --> 00:26:59.057
It was amazing.

00:26:59.097 --> 00:26:59.258
Hey, yeah.

00:27:00.078 --> 00:27:00.558
OK, whatever.

00:27:00.598 --> 00:27:01.659
Keep trying and doing this.

00:27:01.679 --> 00:27:03.180
I think his wife's a doctor, too,

00:27:03.220 --> 00:27:03.700
or something.

00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:05.020
And I think his daughter is also a

00:27:05.260 --> 00:27:05.621
doctor.

00:27:06.537 --> 00:27:09.979
think i think you're right yeah but those

00:27:09.999 --> 00:27:12.560
kind of moments are the what's changed for

00:27:12.601 --> 00:27:14.442
me i can say something about that is

00:27:14.481 --> 00:27:16.022
being on the flip side now being able

00:27:16.042 --> 00:27:18.045
to talk to them as up here like

00:27:18.065 --> 00:27:19.746
certain people are on my friends list on

00:27:19.806 --> 00:27:22.607
name drop but we talk normally like we're

00:27:22.627 --> 00:27:24.909
talking right now that's how we talk yeah

00:27:24.969 --> 00:27:27.131
and it's like huh i used to look

00:27:27.230 --> 00:27:30.373
up to you now i'm really talking to

00:27:30.472 --> 00:27:30.653
you

00:27:31.727 --> 00:27:32.186
What's changed?

00:27:33.127 --> 00:27:35.909
So Tini Howard was there who, you know,

00:27:36.028 --> 00:27:39.391
she worked on the original Rick and Morty

00:27:39.411 --> 00:27:40.010
comic book.

00:27:40.070 --> 00:27:40.371
Yes.

00:27:40.671 --> 00:27:41.791
And of course she's doing her own thing

00:27:41.832 --> 00:27:41.971
now.

00:27:42.011 --> 00:27:43.353
She has Marian Heretic,

00:27:44.032 --> 00:27:45.413
which is from Boom Studios,

00:27:45.453 --> 00:27:46.493
which is an amazing book.

00:27:46.554 --> 00:27:47.294
But she was there.

00:27:47.354 --> 00:27:49.035
She wasn't even announced to be there.

00:27:49.655 --> 00:27:51.056
So I didn't have anything prepared for

00:27:51.096 --> 00:27:51.395
her.

00:27:51.817 --> 00:27:53.037
And she just kind of sent their board

00:27:53.076 --> 00:27:53.696
out of her mind.

00:27:54.238 --> 00:27:54.698
And I'm like,

00:27:55.998 --> 00:27:56.198
I'm like,

00:27:56.337 --> 00:27:57.779
you realize you weren't advertised, right?

00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:59.520
She's like, yeah, I've been hearing that.

00:27:59.980 --> 00:28:00.261
She's like,

00:28:00.301 --> 00:28:01.903
I've always was on the docket to be

00:28:01.942 --> 00:28:02.163
here.

00:28:02.423 --> 00:28:03.084
You know what I'm saying?

00:28:03.104 --> 00:28:04.025
It was already scheduled.

00:28:04.605 --> 00:28:04.885
I'm like, well,

00:28:04.905 --> 00:28:06.527
I didn't bring anything for you to sign.

00:28:06.968 --> 00:28:09.130
She's like, Rick and Morty worked for you.

00:28:09.150 --> 00:28:10.310
I was like, yeah,

00:28:10.351 --> 00:28:11.451
Rick and Morty works for me.

00:28:11.872 --> 00:28:12.112
Right.

00:28:12.152 --> 00:28:15.315
And then Luana Vecchia was there this last

00:28:15.355 --> 00:28:16.316
time, which, you know,

00:28:16.395 --> 00:28:17.936
lovesick and doll parts.

00:28:19.317 --> 00:28:20.499
So I got her autograph.

00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:21.921
Tula Latoy was there.

00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:24.500
So I got her autograph on some of

00:28:24.560 --> 00:28:25.060
her stuff.

00:28:25.080 --> 00:28:26.382
I also picked up her art book,

00:28:26.402 --> 00:28:28.242
which is an amazing piece of work.

00:28:28.282 --> 00:28:29.363
If you can get your hands on one

00:28:29.383 --> 00:28:31.144
of her art books,

00:28:32.005 --> 00:28:34.246
but it's one of those where I don't,

00:28:36.086 --> 00:28:37.567
I'm not trying to collect signatures to

00:28:37.647 --> 00:28:39.348
resell on the secondary market.

00:28:39.368 --> 00:28:39.409
No,

00:28:40.569 --> 00:28:42.510
I just want it for my personal self

00:28:42.550 --> 00:28:45.551
because I respect and admire the work that

00:28:45.571 --> 00:28:46.313
they do.

00:28:47.073 --> 00:28:48.713
And it means a lot to me to

00:28:48.753 --> 00:28:50.035
get that signature, you know?

00:28:50.579 --> 00:28:52.881
yeah because like behind me i've got a

00:28:52.942 --> 00:28:56.364
wall of our fame because i'll draw

00:28:56.403 --> 00:28:57.845
something like and take it to a con

00:28:58.105 --> 00:28:59.164
that knows somebody's going to be there

00:28:59.806 --> 00:29:02.247
i'll give them i'll give them one and

00:29:02.307 --> 00:29:04.588
i have them sign one for me yeah

00:29:04.628 --> 00:29:06.670
dude that's pretty smart actually yeah

00:29:06.710 --> 00:29:09.211
like i've got some i got kurt angle

00:29:09.291 --> 00:29:12.273
rvd i did that i i got i

00:29:12.294 --> 00:29:15.455
got um the crow you know i got

00:29:15.516 --> 00:29:16.977
all kinds of things so

00:29:17.876 --> 00:29:21.938
Hodgepodge-tastic in San Antonio had...

00:29:21.958 --> 00:29:23.739
What's his name?

00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:24.578
The dude that wrote The Crow.

00:29:24.598 --> 00:29:25.459
I can't think of his name.

00:29:27.099 --> 00:29:27.480
Yes.

00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.119
And he also had the guy that did

00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:30.681
the second Crow, the actor.

00:29:33.361 --> 00:29:34.721
He was also in John Wick.

00:29:34.961 --> 00:29:36.001
I can't remember his name,

00:29:36.521 --> 00:29:38.222
but they had him there in-house doing

00:29:38.282 --> 00:29:38.903
signatures.

00:29:39.643 --> 00:29:40.982
And I was like,

00:29:41.002 --> 00:29:42.403
I'm not going to go out and buy

00:29:42.584 --> 00:29:44.844
a first edition Crow comic book because

00:29:44.864 --> 00:29:45.865
that's going to be like twelve hundred

00:29:45.884 --> 00:29:46.285
bucks.

00:29:46.765 --> 00:29:46.865
Right.

00:29:48.031 --> 00:29:49.232
the chairman ain't got twelve hundred

00:29:49.252 --> 00:29:51.153
bucks sitting around sitting around to be

00:29:51.193 --> 00:29:51.874
buying that.

00:29:51.894 --> 00:29:52.835
I mean,

00:29:52.914 --> 00:29:54.055
I would have bought it if I,

00:29:54.115 --> 00:29:54.355
you know,

00:29:54.375 --> 00:29:55.276
if I had that kind of money.

00:29:56.155 --> 00:29:58.958
But they were like,

00:30:00.959 --> 00:30:02.460
we have the book in house,

00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:04.381
like just the actual book,

00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:05.480
the graphic novel.

00:30:06.442 --> 00:30:08.282
And we also have the Funko Pops if

00:30:08.323 --> 00:30:09.804
you want to have them sign that.

00:30:09.824 --> 00:30:11.084
I was like, yes.

00:30:11.104 --> 00:30:13.025
Oh, wow.

00:30:13.105 --> 00:30:13.786
And they're like,

00:30:13.806 --> 00:30:14.806
we'll send it to you as soon as

00:30:14.826 --> 00:30:15.307
it's done.

00:30:15.467 --> 00:30:17.127
And they, you know, I paid them and

00:30:18.404 --> 00:30:21.165
i it's literally you know it's put put

00:30:21.205 --> 00:30:22.486
away right now as you can tell

00:30:22.526 --> 00:30:23.726
everything's a mess in here where i'm

00:30:23.826 --> 00:30:27.086
rearranging things of course it is and uh

00:30:27.567 --> 00:30:29.126
like it's like a never-ending thing like

00:30:29.186 --> 00:30:30.847
every year you know at the beginning of

00:30:30.867 --> 00:30:32.667
the year i'm like all right gotta get

00:30:32.708 --> 00:30:35.327
organized gotta i want to move this and

00:30:35.347 --> 00:30:39.469
do that and so anything that's really nice

00:30:39.489 --> 00:30:41.910
like that like the funko paw in in

00:30:41.950 --> 00:30:43.950
the crow i normally keep them side by

00:30:44.009 --> 00:30:46.931
side because they're both autographed and

00:30:47.151 --> 00:30:47.310
uh

00:30:48.527 --> 00:30:49.406
But I'm like, all right,

00:30:49.587 --> 00:30:51.509
put them away neatly in a box for

00:30:51.548 --> 00:30:52.128
now.

00:30:52.209 --> 00:30:54.569
And as soon as everything is put back

00:30:54.589 --> 00:30:56.411
together, I'll break them back out.

00:30:57.811 --> 00:31:00.593
But yeah, that's just me.

00:31:00.673 --> 00:31:02.354
I like to collect the signatures for

00:31:02.413 --> 00:31:02.994
myself.

00:31:03.555 --> 00:31:05.076
I don't think I've ever sold any.

00:31:05.996 --> 00:31:08.538
Like my one Tyler Kirkham I have.

00:31:08.637 --> 00:31:11.679
I got the art design on the original

00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:13.760
Battle Beast when it come out a few

00:31:13.800 --> 00:31:14.401
years back.

00:31:14.421 --> 00:31:14.941
Oh, wow.

00:31:15.441 --> 00:31:16.261
And I got it here.

00:31:17.605 --> 00:31:19.847
And he did it live on whatnot.

00:31:20.107 --> 00:31:20.509
Like he,

00:31:20.568 --> 00:31:23.070
he had a whatnot stream and I was

00:31:23.111 --> 00:31:24.612
like, Ooh, I like that battle beast.

00:31:25.173 --> 00:31:26.493
So I got the battle beast and he

00:31:26.513 --> 00:31:27.595
was like, Hey, you know,

00:31:27.615 --> 00:31:29.175
do you want the art signature with it?

00:31:29.195 --> 00:31:30.116
I was like,

00:31:30.597 --> 00:31:31.919
I've already spent this much on the book.

00:31:31.959 --> 00:31:32.038
Yeah.

00:31:32.058 --> 00:31:32.138
Yeah.

00:31:32.159 --> 00:31:35.041
Let me get that too.

00:31:35.182 --> 00:31:35.362
Yeah.

00:31:35.402 --> 00:31:37.083
So I got it, but it's like the,

00:31:37.324 --> 00:31:37.463
um,

00:31:39.944 --> 00:31:41.205
I think it was on Skybound at the

00:31:41.246 --> 00:31:41.625
time.

00:31:42.247 --> 00:31:42.426
I mean,

00:31:42.467 --> 00:31:44.169
I think it's still on Skybound anyway.

00:31:44.950 --> 00:31:47.031
But yeah, it was just really cool.

00:31:47.051 --> 00:31:48.133
And he was like,

00:31:48.532 --> 00:31:49.473
do you want me to make it out

00:31:49.513 --> 00:31:49.734
to you?

00:31:49.755 --> 00:31:50.275
I was like, no,

00:31:50.634 --> 00:31:52.156
just plain signature on it.

00:31:52.778 --> 00:31:53.637
And the way he did it,

00:31:54.318 --> 00:31:55.840
he's done it in that light blue.

00:31:57.501 --> 00:31:58.663
And it just, it looks amazing.

00:31:58.703 --> 00:31:59.964
Like it's, yeah.

00:32:01.464 --> 00:32:03.366
He's become one of my really good

00:32:03.426 --> 00:32:05.829
favorites now because of his way he does

00:32:06.170 --> 00:32:08.051
the battle scars stuff.

00:32:08.432 --> 00:32:09.534
The battle damage covers?

00:32:09.773 --> 00:32:10.535
Yes.

00:32:10.634 --> 00:32:10.816
Dude,

00:32:10.875 --> 00:32:12.537
if there's a battle damage cover out

00:32:12.557 --> 00:32:13.417
there, I own it.

00:32:14.243 --> 00:32:15.744
It's just one of my favorite covers.

00:32:15.805 --> 00:32:16.965
His Vader he did.

00:32:18.207 --> 00:32:19.188
The Battle Beast.

00:32:20.729 --> 00:32:22.190
Some of the Marvel and DC ones.

00:32:22.210 --> 00:32:22.891
The Batmans.

00:32:22.911 --> 00:32:27.273
Yes, I got all the Batmans.

00:32:27.594 --> 00:32:28.955
I'll get you on that one, dude.

00:32:29.016 --> 00:32:30.096
His battle damage stuff.

00:32:30.676 --> 00:32:32.377
It's just different and it's unique.

00:32:32.417 --> 00:32:32.557
So...

00:32:33.771 --> 00:32:34.792
why not pick it up if you can

00:32:34.834 --> 00:32:36.154
pick it up for cover price you know

00:32:36.174 --> 00:32:37.978
what i'm saying exactly go ahead and grab

00:32:37.998 --> 00:32:40.500
it for real he's another one that actually

00:32:40.520 --> 00:32:42.723
changed the way things are done and he

00:32:42.943 --> 00:32:44.967
re-innovated things and done things his

00:32:45.007 --> 00:32:47.170
way and then you you go to the

00:32:47.269 --> 00:32:48.211
other side of the world

00:32:49.337 --> 00:32:50.019
Inyuk Lee,

00:32:50.699 --> 00:32:52.119
even though I'm still disappointed I

00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:53.280
wasn't able to get his signature,

00:32:53.340 --> 00:32:54.903
I love the way he does his work.

00:32:55.623 --> 00:32:56.403
He's Korean.

00:32:56.784 --> 00:32:57.545
Peach Momoko,

00:32:58.205 --> 00:33:00.126
I collect everything that Peach Momoko

00:33:00.146 --> 00:33:02.588
puts her name on and does because her

00:33:02.689 --> 00:33:05.652
style is just so unique that I'm like,

00:33:06.392 --> 00:33:07.773
the first time I seen her art was

00:33:07.874 --> 00:33:12.958
on the Star Wars comic book she did

00:33:12.998 --> 00:33:16.020
for Marvel, but it's the one, the Vision,

00:33:16.101 --> 00:33:17.040
Star Wars Visions.

00:33:17.142 --> 00:33:17.682
Mm-hmm.

00:33:18.136 --> 00:33:19.057
But it's no words.

00:33:19.356 --> 00:33:22.077
It's just her art telling a story.

00:33:23.179 --> 00:33:24.038
Like a snake eye.

00:33:24.719 --> 00:33:27.140
Yeah, and it's just a beautiful book,

00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:28.400
cover to cover.

00:33:29.201 --> 00:33:29.480
Yes.

00:33:29.641 --> 00:33:33.402
And it's actually what the... Oh, dude,

00:33:33.422 --> 00:33:34.122
you have to pick it up.

00:33:34.182 --> 00:33:35.221
If you can get your hands on it,

00:33:35.301 --> 00:33:36.103
get your hands on it.

00:33:36.182 --> 00:33:36.942
See if I can find one.

00:33:36.962 --> 00:33:40.104
See what I can do to make things

00:33:40.144 --> 00:33:40.403
happen.

00:33:41.324 --> 00:33:42.664
It's kind of hard for me to really...

00:33:43.819 --> 00:33:45.160
buy a lot of comics and stuff like

00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:47.240
that because I rather talk to them.

00:33:47.601 --> 00:33:49.582
Like, hey, what's going on?

00:33:49.602 --> 00:33:50.582
I want to have a conversation.

00:33:50.842 --> 00:33:51.482
I'll buy this stuff,

00:33:51.522 --> 00:33:53.762
but I have certain ones I read,

00:33:53.803 --> 00:33:56.284
of course, but art-wise,

00:33:57.125 --> 00:33:57.884
I want to pick your brain.

00:33:58.265 --> 00:33:58.565
Why?

00:33:59.464 --> 00:34:01.105
I wanted a why because I'm a why

00:34:01.145 --> 00:34:01.445
person.

00:34:02.026 --> 00:34:02.727
I wanted a why.

00:34:02.807 --> 00:34:05.067
There's nothing wrong with that, dude.

00:34:05.386 --> 00:34:06.708
I enjoy that.

00:34:07.067 --> 00:34:08.789
Well, not when... Many years ago,

00:34:08.809 --> 00:34:09.969
I used to hate it when people would

00:34:10.028 --> 00:34:11.148
just ask why to ask why.

00:34:11.168 --> 00:34:12.269
They'd just be like...

00:34:13.269 --> 00:34:14.951
come on dude you're just doing this now

00:34:14.971 --> 00:34:16.690
to piss me off don't let's let it

00:34:16.710 --> 00:34:18.592
go down that route i'm like i've already

00:34:18.612 --> 00:34:21.913
showed you i gave you the book right

00:34:21.972 --> 00:34:25.755
do this and don't continue i posted one

00:34:25.775 --> 00:34:26.954
of the pages from my book on my

00:34:26.994 --> 00:34:29.295
page and asked for some input on a

00:34:29.315 --> 00:34:31.976
certain on two i did a page one

00:34:32.016 --> 00:34:34.717
way another way which one looks better and

00:34:34.797 --> 00:34:37.039
certain people in the industry chimed in

00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:37.518
i'm like

00:34:39.855 --> 00:34:44.077
I might want to listen to them.

00:34:44.097 --> 00:34:44.556
I might want to listen.

00:34:44.577 --> 00:34:45.077
Aubrey Sitterson,

00:34:45.097 --> 00:34:46.677
who does Free Planet for Image,

00:34:46.697 --> 00:34:48.438
back when I was still doing the new

00:34:48.478 --> 00:34:49.219
comic book days,

00:34:49.278 --> 00:34:51.679
and he dropped issue one of Free Planet.

00:34:51.699 --> 00:34:52.820
And I was like,

00:34:53.380 --> 00:34:55.201
this is going to be the book or

00:34:55.380 --> 00:34:57.362
one of the books of twenty twenty five.

00:34:58.960 --> 00:34:59.079
Okay.

00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:00.420
And he shot me a message.

00:35:01.141 --> 00:35:01.900
He was like, hey, dude,

00:35:01.981 --> 00:35:02.981
I appreciate you saying that.

00:35:03.001 --> 00:35:04.382
You have no idea what that means to

00:35:04.442 --> 00:35:06.342
me and what we're trying to do with

00:35:06.362 --> 00:35:06.902
this book.

00:35:07.583 --> 00:35:08.583
I was like, dude,

00:35:08.603 --> 00:35:09.804
you're Aubrey Sitterson and you just

00:35:09.844 --> 00:35:11.204
messaged me.

00:35:11.224 --> 00:35:11.923
This is so cool.

00:35:11.943 --> 00:35:12.063
Yeah.

00:35:12.083 --> 00:35:14.784
You know, because you don't expect it,

00:35:14.824 --> 00:35:15.184
you know.

00:35:16.005 --> 00:35:16.606
Right.

00:35:16.786 --> 00:35:18.485
And he was super nice.

00:35:18.565 --> 00:35:20.246
And I've had a lot of really nice

00:35:20.306 --> 00:35:23.068
interactions with writers and artists who

00:35:23.728 --> 00:35:24.887
they honestly, to God,

00:35:25.307 --> 00:35:27.168
they just enjoy when people enjoy what

00:35:27.208 --> 00:35:27.768
they're doing.

00:35:28.853 --> 00:35:29.454
And they don't really,

00:35:29.695 --> 00:35:31.798
they don't really like fanboy out or

00:35:31.818 --> 00:35:33.442
whatever, but they treat them like people.

00:35:34.541 --> 00:35:35.561
That's what they really like.

00:35:35.581 --> 00:35:36.541
They treat them like people.

00:35:36.782 --> 00:35:39.123
Because like Eric Basula, E-Bass,

00:35:39.523 --> 00:35:41.666
him and I talk a lot on Messenger

00:35:41.686 --> 00:35:42.686
and everything and just talking.

00:35:43.085 --> 00:35:44.007
And I asked him,

00:35:44.027 --> 00:35:45.487
because I got his signature and stuff on

00:35:45.527 --> 00:35:46.628
a poster downstairs.

00:35:47.048 --> 00:35:48.369
I got him and Sylvester down there.

00:35:48.389 --> 00:35:48.949
I said,

00:35:48.989 --> 00:35:50.351
why didn't you sign this for me back

00:35:50.431 --> 00:35:52.411
in whatever it was in Chicago?

00:35:52.751 --> 00:35:53.492
He goes, you got that.

00:35:53.793 --> 00:35:55.414
And we would just, stuff like that.

00:35:55.713 --> 00:35:56.514
It's cool.

00:35:56.735 --> 00:35:58.275
Because that's one of my favorite things

00:35:58.376 --> 00:35:59.436
in my painting studio.

00:36:00.197 --> 00:36:03.099
I got the poster hanging right there.

00:36:03.139 --> 00:36:03.519
Right there.

00:36:03.539 --> 00:36:04.842
I'm like, yep, that's my boys.

00:36:05.842 --> 00:36:06.983
That's dope.

00:36:07.563 --> 00:36:07.684
Yeah.

00:36:07.704 --> 00:36:09.025
Dude, that's freaking awesome.

00:36:09.545 --> 00:36:11.148
If I ever had a chance to pull

00:36:11.168 --> 00:36:12.789
this off the wall and get Capullo or

00:36:12.829 --> 00:36:13.911
Matt Farland to sign it,

00:36:14.510 --> 00:36:15.532
it would come off my wall in a

00:36:15.572 --> 00:36:16.052
heartbeat.

00:36:16.313 --> 00:36:18.175
Granted, when I got there, it'd be like,

00:36:18.195 --> 00:36:18.295
okay,

00:36:18.315 --> 00:36:20.277
let me just undo the back because I

00:36:20.297 --> 00:36:21.637
don't want nothing to happen to this.

00:36:22.688 --> 00:36:24.509
Because I don't know how much those vinyl

00:36:24.548 --> 00:36:25.309
posters cost.

00:36:25.389 --> 00:36:26.789
I imagine they're kind of pricey.

00:36:26.809 --> 00:36:28.570
Yeah, they are.

00:36:28.730 --> 00:36:29.250
I've made a couple.

00:36:29.269 --> 00:36:31.150
They're kind of pricey.

00:36:31.170 --> 00:36:31.311
Oh, yeah.

00:36:32.610 --> 00:36:34.172
Yeah, they're kind of pricey.

00:36:35.891 --> 00:36:36.932
So let me ask you this.

00:36:36.952 --> 00:36:38.773
So visually and thematically,

00:36:38.853 --> 00:36:40.373
what attracts you the most?

00:36:40.474 --> 00:36:42.514
Darker stories, emotional weight,

00:36:43.014 --> 00:36:44.934
or character-driven narratives when it

00:36:44.954 --> 00:36:47.456
comes to the way you do comic books?

00:36:49.815 --> 00:36:51.335
For like the way I do them or

00:36:51.516 --> 00:36:52.536
what I like in other people's books?

00:36:52.576 --> 00:36:54.597
Yeah, well, both really.

00:36:55.036 --> 00:36:56.858
But mainly like how you like to do

00:36:56.898 --> 00:36:58.378
your comic books because Brother to the

00:36:58.418 --> 00:37:00.119
Night seems like it's a little bit above

00:37:00.179 --> 00:37:01.840
a darker story.

00:37:01.940 --> 00:37:03.480
It is because, okay,

00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:05.121
let me give a little backstory.

00:37:06.221 --> 00:37:10.762
I found role playing in my late teens.

00:37:11.918 --> 00:37:14.260
some dnd action yeah typing but we play

00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:15.501
a lot of hero type games and everything

00:37:15.581 --> 00:37:17.601
else okay you know and stuff like that

00:37:17.621 --> 00:37:20.043
and i've got characters i'm i worked on

00:37:20.403 --> 00:37:22.105
a few books of my own that i

00:37:22.144 --> 00:37:23.945
never got done i got bored i got

00:37:23.985 --> 00:37:26.887
bored because that's i'm that guy i'm that

00:37:26.987 --> 00:37:29.188
artist shiny i'm just something else

00:37:29.248 --> 00:37:32.550
something else but now it got to a

00:37:32.590 --> 00:37:35.331
point where i want to finish this book

00:37:36.452 --> 00:37:37.693
i gotta finish this book how am i

00:37:37.713 --> 00:37:38.172
gonna do this

00:37:39.380 --> 00:37:39.920
Wait a minute.

00:37:39.940 --> 00:37:40.661
Wait a minute.

00:37:40.721 --> 00:37:42.260
I got the perfect characters for this.

00:37:42.681 --> 00:37:43.661
I got everything I need.

00:37:44.262 --> 00:37:46.262
And the way the story is,

00:37:46.923 --> 00:37:48.643
he's an affluent lawyer that happened to

00:37:48.664 --> 00:37:52.286
be a descendant of Shaka Zulu's warrior

00:37:52.306 --> 00:37:56.027
shaman that actually knows real magic.

00:37:56.248 --> 00:37:59.728
And I was told all heroes have to

00:37:59.748 --> 00:38:00.289
have a wound.

00:38:01.246 --> 00:38:03.708
character flaw something i said why so

00:38:03.728 --> 00:38:06.289
batman's parents died superman said so

00:38:06.309 --> 00:38:09.512
what's that doing man i'm doing me my

00:38:09.532 --> 00:38:14.175
character has no wounds none he's grew up

00:38:14.195 --> 00:38:15.856
in a good neighborhood he's from detroit

00:38:15.876 --> 00:38:18.918
good everything but what happens is

00:38:19.038 --> 00:38:21.320
everything around him is different he's

00:38:21.340 --> 00:38:22.981
seeing things through different eyes now

00:38:23.221 --> 00:38:25.161
it's not really a wound but he sees

00:38:25.181 --> 00:38:26.322
the world as it is

00:38:27.045 --> 00:38:28.706
before it was you know he had roll

00:38:28.726 --> 00:38:31.688
color glasses this is city that is wounded

00:38:32.088 --> 00:38:34.590
yes i like it yeah i like that

00:38:35.309 --> 00:38:37.251
and and there's certain there's elements

00:38:37.271 --> 00:38:39.293
that he's fighting and they all get a

00:38:39.333 --> 00:38:41.054
totem they all get some kind of african

00:38:41.074 --> 00:38:44.036
guy told him whatever this guy got i'm

00:38:44.096 --> 00:38:46.838
a punch you cannot take this guy anywhere

00:38:47.057 --> 00:38:48.239
and like they all get a totem you

00:38:48.759 --> 00:38:51.460
know from he happened to get a nubus

00:38:53.510 --> 00:38:53.929
Nice.

00:38:54.309 --> 00:38:56.050
And that's not a hero type character.

00:38:56.532 --> 00:38:58.032
No, that's, yeah, no.

00:38:58.713 --> 00:39:00.414
You know, think of JoJo Bizarre Adventure,

00:39:00.434 --> 00:39:01.054
we understand.

00:39:02.815 --> 00:39:04.675
But you can't control your stand.

00:39:05.197 --> 00:39:06.097
He does what he want to do.

00:39:06.777 --> 00:39:07.297
Yeah.

00:39:07.398 --> 00:39:08.297
Until he respects you.

00:39:09.858 --> 00:39:10.820
Once you earn his respect,

00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:11.659
he's got your back.

00:39:13.021 --> 00:39:15.682
So it's growing into that kind of story

00:39:15.722 --> 00:39:16.083
right now.

00:39:17.498 --> 00:39:19.320
It's different for me.

00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:20.280
It's something different,

00:39:20.300 --> 00:39:22.300
but I had to get it done because

00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:23.621
if I later on want to keep doing

00:39:23.661 --> 00:39:23.940
this,

00:39:24.681 --> 00:39:25.780
but I don't want to draw at all,

00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:27.121
I'd have a roadmap.

00:39:28.342 --> 00:39:29.181
This is what I expect.

00:39:29.521 --> 00:39:30.461
You can't do it to this level.

00:39:30.942 --> 00:39:32.603
I don't want you working on my book.

00:39:33.583 --> 00:39:34.862
I'm not going to just pay somebody because

00:39:34.882 --> 00:39:35.362
they can draw.

00:39:36.123 --> 00:39:37.704
How much of the book is you or

00:39:37.744 --> 00:39:39.523
did you actually have other people work on

00:39:39.563 --> 00:39:40.304
it with you as well?

00:39:41.385 --> 00:39:43.224
One hundred percent drawn, illustrated,

00:39:43.304 --> 00:39:46.306
penciled, inked, colored, lettered by me.

00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:47.900
I love it.

00:39:48.141 --> 00:39:48.802
Dude,

00:39:49.382 --> 00:39:50.983
that's the best answer in the world right

00:39:51.003 --> 00:39:51.264
there.

00:39:51.824 --> 00:39:53.545
And there's no offense to anybody out

00:39:53.585 --> 00:39:53.746
there.

00:39:54.067 --> 00:39:54.427
Me,

00:39:54.527 --> 00:39:55.507
I got an artist who's going to be

00:39:55.547 --> 00:39:56.628
working with me on my book.

00:39:57.148 --> 00:39:58.230
Me and him, literally,

00:39:58.570 --> 00:40:00.592
we shoot each other ideas all the time.

00:40:01.572 --> 00:40:02.793
And I told him going into it because

00:40:02.813 --> 00:40:03.594
he's a friend of mine.

00:40:04.755 --> 00:40:06.597
We have developed a friendship to a point

00:40:06.657 --> 00:40:07.998
where I was like,

00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:09.280
if I'm going to do my first comic

00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:10.601
book, I want it to be with you.

00:40:11.581 --> 00:40:13.583
And so...

00:40:15.269 --> 00:40:17.012
we shot in my story idea and he

00:40:17.032 --> 00:40:18.853
was like dude we have to do that

00:40:19.233 --> 00:40:21.775
i was like bet like once you know

00:40:21.795 --> 00:40:23.938
we get to the new year you know

00:40:23.958 --> 00:40:25.480
i've already got you know notebooks of

00:40:25.579 --> 00:40:27.001
ideas and stuff and how i kind of

00:40:27.021 --> 00:40:29.103
want to get the story to go but

00:40:29.123 --> 00:40:30.864
danny hit me with he's like hey i

00:40:30.905 --> 00:40:33.027
love what we're what we're doing but we

00:40:33.047 --> 00:40:35.088
need something to fit in here in the

00:40:35.128 --> 00:40:38.351
background of the of the story like the

00:40:38.371 --> 00:40:40.653
story within the story yes i was like

00:40:47.670 --> 00:40:49.610
I literally have been posting his art

00:40:49.690 --> 00:40:50.751
leading up to this.

00:40:51.271 --> 00:40:53.012
He's seen a bunch of it.

00:40:53.072 --> 00:40:53.952
He's seen pages.

00:40:54.172 --> 00:40:55.331
That's why he's tripping.

00:40:55.371 --> 00:40:56.331
He's seen pages.

00:40:57.532 --> 00:40:59.632
But Matt, we'll see you on the twenty-six,

00:40:59.672 --> 00:41:00.092
bro.

00:41:00.813 --> 00:41:03.014
Behave yourself because we cannot bail you

00:41:03.034 --> 00:41:05.054
out in Texas, bud.

00:41:05.114 --> 00:41:07.574
I got Cash App.

00:41:07.635 --> 00:41:08.514
He has Cash App.

00:41:08.635 --> 00:41:09.295
I do not.

00:41:13.476 --> 00:41:14.536
And within the story, I've

00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.440
speckled other people other people from

00:41:17.501 --> 00:41:19.902
other stories already in there that i've

00:41:19.961 --> 00:41:21.623
already worked on and people are doing my

00:41:21.643 --> 00:41:22.983
work are gonna be like wait a minute

00:41:23.063 --> 00:41:25.164
isn't that what what it's gonna be one

00:41:25.184 --> 00:41:27.186
of those there's a lot of easter eggs

00:41:27.266 --> 00:41:30.527
in it if you don't love easter eggs

00:41:30.768 --> 00:41:32.409
if you know many things i've worked on

00:41:33.128 --> 00:41:36.351
you're gonna be like wait a minute give

00:41:36.371 --> 00:41:38.652
me another book because i've i've done

00:41:38.672 --> 00:41:39.893
i've done help with other books and other

00:41:39.913 --> 00:41:42.034
people's stuff i've just never done my own

00:41:42.574 --> 00:41:43.875
i've i worked with a guy over in

00:41:44.034 --> 00:41:44.856
england for years

00:41:45.742 --> 00:41:46.541
Okay.

00:41:46.561 --> 00:41:47.583
Working on his book.

00:41:48.003 --> 00:41:49.342
I worked with my man down near the

00:41:49.362 --> 00:41:49.742
DMV.

00:41:50.143 --> 00:41:51.023
I worked on his book.

00:41:52.003 --> 00:41:53.184
But I never finished my own.

00:41:53.204 --> 00:41:53.304
Yeah.

00:41:55.025 --> 00:41:56.786
It's kind of like on a bucket list

00:41:56.846 --> 00:41:57.425
thing for me.

00:41:57.905 --> 00:41:58.565
But now,

00:41:59.445 --> 00:42:01.527
it's more than that because it has life.

00:42:01.887 --> 00:42:02.626
I've seen it.

00:42:03.608 --> 00:42:05.288
Dude, I've seen the cover.

00:42:05.367 --> 00:42:06.929
I've seen the teaser pages of it.

00:42:06.969 --> 00:42:09.088
I've seen the teaser animation you created

00:42:09.148 --> 00:42:09.590
for it.

00:42:09.670 --> 00:42:10.829
And...

00:42:11.601 --> 00:42:13.708
Like the moment you had teased it,

00:42:13.849 --> 00:42:15.014
I think Matt was on.

00:42:15.034 --> 00:42:15.817
Mm-hmm.

00:42:16.791 --> 00:42:19.193
or Matt put us in touch because you

00:42:19.233 --> 00:42:19.954
kept teasing it.

00:42:20.213 --> 00:42:20.775
And Matt was like,

00:42:21.655 --> 00:42:23.016
had me in your post.

00:42:23.036 --> 00:42:23.617
He's like, dude,

00:42:23.637 --> 00:42:25.998
you got to get on the podcast and

00:42:26.197 --> 00:42:27.278
get this book done.

00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:29.601
And you were like, Hey, yeah, let me,

00:42:29.780 --> 00:42:31.081
let me, it's at the editors.

00:42:31.762 --> 00:42:31.961
Yeah.

00:42:32.282 --> 00:42:33.083
Let me get it done.

00:42:33.143 --> 00:42:34.224
And then we're going to do this.

00:42:34.284 --> 00:42:35.164
And here we are, man.

00:42:35.224 --> 00:42:35.985
I know it's done.

00:42:36.525 --> 00:42:38.445
I for one am excited because I want

00:42:38.465 --> 00:42:40.248
to get my hands on the book so

00:42:40.288 --> 00:42:41.588
bad after seeing the cover,

00:42:43.610 --> 00:42:45.510
teasing animation, you've done on it.

00:42:45.690 --> 00:42:46.492
I'm just like,

00:42:47.572 --> 00:42:49.574
I want this book so bad.

00:42:50.934 --> 00:42:51.755
Matt's in the same boat.

00:42:51.815 --> 00:42:53.856
Matt did me the same way the last

00:42:53.896 --> 00:42:55.436
time he was on the podcast.

00:42:55.737 --> 00:42:57.697
He teased me with Gen X or Gen

00:42:57.777 --> 00:42:57.838
One.

00:42:57.858 --> 00:43:00.059
I think that's the name of his new

00:43:00.099 --> 00:43:01.340
book that they're coming out with.

00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:03.081
I think so.

00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:04.862
He sent me the teaser art to it.

00:43:04.882 --> 00:43:08.083
I was just like, dude,

00:43:08.103 --> 00:43:09.264
you know I want this book now.

00:43:12.449 --> 00:43:13.989
But I know it's not done.

00:43:14.088 --> 00:43:15.210
It's being written right now.

00:43:15.230 --> 00:43:16.510
It's being drawn right now.

00:43:16.969 --> 00:43:19.391
And I'm just like, I want this book.

00:43:20.271 --> 00:43:20.471
Like,

00:43:20.510 --> 00:43:21.471
what do I got to do to get

00:43:21.490 --> 00:43:21.931
this book?

00:43:21.952 --> 00:43:22.152
I'm like,

00:43:22.192 --> 00:43:23.572
you can't just drop a teaser on me

00:43:23.612 --> 00:43:24.172
like that.

00:43:24.552 --> 00:43:26.773
But that's how you get them in there.

00:43:26.913 --> 00:43:27.253
It is.

00:43:27.893 --> 00:43:28.532
I'm in, dude.

00:43:28.592 --> 00:43:31.233
I cannot wait to get my hands on

00:43:31.253 --> 00:43:31.554
this.

00:43:32.313 --> 00:43:33.954
Many, many years ago, once in Chicago.

00:43:35.309 --> 00:43:36.411
I met Brian Haberlin,

00:43:36.610 --> 00:43:38.612
who then had a thing called Digital Art

00:43:38.632 --> 00:43:39.072
Tutorials.

00:43:39.092 --> 00:43:40.652
I wanted to be a colorist.

00:43:40.713 --> 00:43:41.614
I didn't want to draw books.

00:43:41.954 --> 00:43:42.873
I wanted to color.

00:43:42.974 --> 00:43:43.434
I could paint.

00:43:45.295 --> 00:43:48.538
Fast forward now, I sent him something.

00:43:48.717 --> 00:43:49.038
I said, look,

00:43:49.057 --> 00:43:51.458
this is what you helped me to learn

00:43:51.478 --> 00:43:51.900
how to do.

00:43:53.621 --> 00:43:55.722
And he said, that's cool, man.

00:43:56.922 --> 00:43:58.143
And see everything I've done over the

00:43:58.163 --> 00:43:58.463
years.

00:43:59.443 --> 00:44:01.764
And I think the reason my books never

00:44:01.804 --> 00:44:04.527
got done, because I wasn't done.

00:44:06.286 --> 00:44:09.527
wasn't the worst enemies when it comes to

00:44:09.547 --> 00:44:11.748
that kind of stuff we are always in

00:44:11.809 --> 00:44:14.309
our own way because like i'm looking at

00:44:14.329 --> 00:44:15.309
some of the other books i was like

00:44:15.510 --> 00:44:17.510
damn that was a good idea but my

00:44:17.590 --> 00:44:22.431
art sucked i was like whoa no wonder

00:44:22.492 --> 00:44:24.632
i didn't finish it then these pencils are

00:44:24.652 --> 00:44:27.114
great but my ink sucked on that and

00:44:27.233 --> 00:44:29.693
i i'm on the point where i said

00:44:29.873 --> 00:44:30.775
i gotta be the first one to do

00:44:30.815 --> 00:44:31.355
my home book

00:44:32.096 --> 00:44:32.996
But what I did do,

00:44:33.056 --> 00:44:34.018
and what I would never do,

00:44:34.398 --> 00:44:36.199
is put a book out that I haven't

00:44:36.219 --> 00:44:37.340
had nobody else's eyes on.

00:44:38.141 --> 00:44:38.661
I refuse that.

00:44:38.702 --> 00:44:40.724
Because the stuff my boy picked out,

00:44:40.744 --> 00:44:41.585
him and I have been friends since we

00:44:41.605 --> 00:44:42.306
were like, fourteen.

00:44:42.626 --> 00:44:44.387
And he's an artist himself.

00:44:44.967 --> 00:44:45.849
And he's very meticulous,

00:44:45.869 --> 00:44:47.090
and I wouldn't take nothing personal.

00:44:47.351 --> 00:44:48.170
And he knows how I work.

00:44:49.088 --> 00:44:51.610
And stuff he's finding is stuff I had

00:44:51.630 --> 00:44:52.711
an art blind eye to.

00:44:52.913 --> 00:44:54.233
I couldn't see it.

00:44:54.333 --> 00:44:57.016
It's hard to tear apart your own work

00:44:57.056 --> 00:44:59.099
that you poured everything into.

00:44:59.960 --> 00:45:01.461
I am a hundred percent guilty of that

00:45:01.481 --> 00:45:03.525
when I wrote stuff in the past and

00:45:04.346 --> 00:45:05.427
like, you don't see it.

00:45:05.666 --> 00:45:07.730
That's why it never hurts to put extra

00:45:07.849 --> 00:45:08.630
eyes on things.

00:45:09.090 --> 00:45:09.331
Yes,

00:45:09.371 --> 00:45:11.072
you always need an outside force on

00:45:11.233 --> 00:45:11.893
anything you do.

00:45:12.273 --> 00:45:13.195
Even with my paintings,

00:45:13.534 --> 00:45:14.275
I'll show other people,

00:45:14.356 --> 00:45:15.456
even though painting is subjective,

00:45:16.097 --> 00:45:17.659
but certain people are like, hey,

00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:18.099
look at this.

00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:20.041
They go, why you do that?

00:45:20.161 --> 00:45:21.503
And that's what I want them to ask

00:45:21.523 --> 00:45:21.603
you.

00:45:21.702 --> 00:45:22.503
I want the why.

00:45:22.905 --> 00:45:23.724
I want the why.

00:45:24.025 --> 00:45:25.706
Because I didn't get that from that.

00:45:25.726 --> 00:45:26.288
I'm like, hmm.

00:45:26.914 --> 00:45:27.213
okay,

00:45:28.155 --> 00:45:29.577
and then they give me more inspiration to

00:45:29.637 --> 00:45:33.099
add other things into the paintings.

00:45:33.460 --> 00:45:34.601
It's kind of like with the comics.

00:45:34.780 --> 00:45:35.822
I've shared it with certain people,

00:45:36.382 --> 00:45:36.943
a few of them,

00:45:37.423 --> 00:45:40.385
and all the reviews everybody said,

00:45:40.425 --> 00:45:41.047
it was great.

00:45:42.068 --> 00:45:43.088
Only thing they mad at me about was

00:45:43.108 --> 00:45:43.750
when's it going to get done.

00:45:45.431 --> 00:45:46.751
Dude, that was me, man.

00:45:47.052 --> 00:45:48.893
You kept dropping the cover teasers,

00:45:48.914 --> 00:45:50.074
your page teasers.

00:45:50.965 --> 00:45:52.445
and i was and i kept hitting you

00:45:52.465 --> 00:45:53.885
i think i've hit you up three times

00:45:53.925 --> 00:45:55.786
before you were like hey dude is that

00:45:55.905 --> 00:45:58.266
editors let's go yeah yeah i think it

00:45:58.286 --> 00:46:00.547
was matthew that was the final nail in

00:46:00.567 --> 00:46:01.967
the coffin for you he was like come

00:46:02.007 --> 00:46:03.547
on dude just do the damn podcast you're

00:46:03.608 --> 00:46:06.608
there dude you're done yeah editor dude

00:46:06.648 --> 00:46:08.469
that's that's like the stamp of approval

00:46:08.528 --> 00:46:10.869
right there and the edits are so simple

00:46:11.389 --> 00:46:13.570
it's a matter of me like putting on

00:46:13.610 --> 00:46:15.570
changing this perspective not really not

00:46:15.610 --> 00:46:17.590
even redrawing just changing certain

00:46:17.630 --> 00:46:20.210
things i'm like huh and mostly

00:46:21.114 --> 00:46:22.215
I'm going to say I'm guilty of this.

00:46:22.896 --> 00:46:24.338
There wasn't one period throughout the

00:46:24.398 --> 00:46:27.800
whole comic.

00:46:28.021 --> 00:46:28.360
Not one period.

00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:28.882
Not one period.

00:46:31.003 --> 00:46:31.463
Okay.

00:46:32.005 --> 00:46:33.826
And then I changed font colors,

00:46:34.367 --> 00:46:35.688
but I didn't change fonts.

00:46:38.284 --> 00:46:40.726
I'm like, okay, I got you,

00:46:40.766 --> 00:46:41.266
I got you.

00:46:41.565 --> 00:46:42.606
So it's stuff like that.

00:46:42.786 --> 00:46:44.626
There's no major overhauls.

00:46:44.706 --> 00:46:47.068
Dude, I consider that,

00:46:47.208 --> 00:46:49.248
that's the nitpicky stuff, right?

00:46:49.389 --> 00:46:52.150
But it's the nitpicky stuff that seals it,

00:46:52.250 --> 00:46:52.630
you know?

00:46:52.730 --> 00:46:56.791
It puts that final stamp on it that

00:46:56.831 --> 00:46:59.072
says, it's done, it's ready to go.

00:47:00.152 --> 00:47:01.932
And when it got real for me was,

00:47:01.952 --> 00:47:02.693
because in Clip Studio,

00:47:02.793 --> 00:47:04.293
there's a thing where you can preview your

00:47:04.313 --> 00:47:05.454
comic in comic form,

00:47:05.673 --> 00:47:06.414
turn pages and everything.

00:47:06.434 --> 00:47:06.994
Oh, dope, yeah.

00:47:07.878 --> 00:47:10.581
i did that and i just froze looking

00:47:10.641 --> 00:47:12.963
at it like turning the pages i'm like

00:47:14.204 --> 00:47:16.887
oh my it it really solidified the realness

00:47:16.947 --> 00:47:21.132
of it yeah it's like wow i got

00:47:21.251 --> 00:47:22.672
all these bunch of pages on my screen

00:47:23.054 --> 00:47:25.275
i got like three miles in my office

00:47:25.635 --> 00:47:26.938
one of them what my work on when

00:47:26.958 --> 00:47:28.818
i'm drawing on everything else and all i

00:47:28.838 --> 00:47:30.661
can see all these pages but none in

00:47:30.701 --> 00:47:31.121
book form

00:47:32.195 --> 00:47:33.436
The minute it went in book form,

00:47:33.556 --> 00:47:34.458
it hit me.

00:47:34.478 --> 00:47:35.358
It becomes real.

00:47:35.378 --> 00:47:38.101
It hit me way harder than I expected.

00:47:38.181 --> 00:47:38.440
Yeah.

00:47:39.762 --> 00:47:42.003
I'm telling you, I know I, for one,

00:47:42.625 --> 00:47:44.726
have been excited about this book.

00:47:45.005 --> 00:47:47.447
Like, walk us through it.

00:47:47.728 --> 00:47:52.152
So from the time you started to the

00:47:52.211 --> 00:47:53.572
time you finished,

00:47:54.914 --> 00:47:57.637
just like how many hours do you think

00:47:57.677 --> 00:48:00.059
you have right now in this book?

00:48:01.231 --> 00:48:04.434
okay perspective wise i started this

00:48:04.494 --> 00:48:06.514
probably about a little over a year ago

00:48:06.855 --> 00:48:08.396
i was working i mentioned about i think

00:48:09.215 --> 00:48:11.177
four months ago five months ago yeah

00:48:11.217 --> 00:48:13.297
something like that with matt yeah but i

00:48:13.438 --> 00:48:15.099
i started before that i hadn't shown

00:48:15.139 --> 00:48:17.360
nobody anything because i worked nights

00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:19.840
and you did say that you were working

00:48:19.900 --> 00:48:21.621
on something and i think it was probably

00:48:21.661 --> 00:48:23.163
about a month after that is when you

00:48:23.202 --> 00:48:24.764
dropped that first teaser on us

00:48:25.637 --> 00:48:25.797
And see,

00:48:25.818 --> 00:48:26.898
because I'm the type of person that will

00:48:26.918 --> 00:48:28.318
get something like ninety percent done.

00:48:28.818 --> 00:48:30.199
Then I'll start showing stuff.

00:48:30.659 --> 00:48:33.320
I will show you because what are chances

00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:34.081
of it not getting done?

00:48:34.121 --> 00:48:34.880
I've done that before.

00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:36.422
I put the cart in front of a

00:48:36.442 --> 00:48:38.762
horse and I didn't finish.

00:48:38.822 --> 00:48:39.722
I wasn't doing that again.

00:48:40.795 --> 00:48:41.896
But from the beginning,

00:48:42.217 --> 00:48:43.838
and that's part of editing problems too,

00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:45.940
from me starting it over almost over a

00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:48.001
year ago and stopping and starting,

00:48:48.021 --> 00:48:49.704
stopping and not going back over the pages

00:48:49.784 --> 00:48:51.784
where I should, because I think they're,

00:48:51.925 --> 00:48:53.527
they're fine and not catching the

00:48:53.547 --> 00:48:55.088
continuity issues on the panels.

00:48:55.407 --> 00:48:57.710
Like, oh, that's what, yeah, yeah.

00:48:57.849 --> 00:48:59.072
Angles changing and stuff like that.

00:48:59.431 --> 00:49:03.014
But easily I'll sit down and see from

00:49:03.155 --> 00:49:04.376
beginning to end a page would probably

00:49:04.396 --> 00:49:06.577
take me a day or two.

00:49:09.005 --> 00:49:12.286
just one page yeah from and that's not

00:49:12.346 --> 00:49:15.467
including lettering it's just the inking

00:49:15.487 --> 00:49:18.429
the coloring laying out and all that about

00:49:18.509 --> 00:49:20.289
one or two days because i am a

00:49:20.309 --> 00:49:21.670
perfectionist i am the guy i'd be like

00:49:21.690 --> 00:49:23.349
i don't like that we do that i

00:49:23.389 --> 00:49:25.630
like to redo that but believe it or

00:49:25.670 --> 00:49:31.793
not lettering that was simple that's wild

00:49:31.833 --> 00:49:34.574
though that's wild because i always say

00:49:34.753 --> 00:49:35.894
lettering can make or break

00:49:37.699 --> 00:49:39.302
when i where the bubble is and that

00:49:39.342 --> 00:49:41.543
kind of stuff is make or break but

00:49:41.623 --> 00:49:43.244
as a but think about it i'm i'm

00:49:43.324 --> 00:49:45.387
doing my own book so i'm drawing with

00:49:45.407 --> 00:49:48.190
that in mind already that's the difference

00:49:48.210 --> 00:49:50.211
right there is i drew like i'm gonna

00:49:50.231 --> 00:49:51.552
bubble over here right here so i'm

00:49:51.612 --> 00:49:53.514
thinking about all that while i'm breaking

00:49:53.554 --> 00:49:56.356
it down so i'm like wow okay this

00:49:56.376 --> 00:49:57.717
right here is different i don't like that

00:49:57.737 --> 00:49:57.978
face

00:49:58.976 --> 00:49:59.976
And then I'm like, okay, I got that.

00:50:00.036 --> 00:50:00.476
I got that.

00:50:00.757 --> 00:50:02.257
And then the biggest part for me was

00:50:02.297 --> 00:50:02.898
the font face.

00:50:02.958 --> 00:50:03.858
What am I going to use?

00:50:04.139 --> 00:50:04.978
I don't think everybody uses the same

00:50:04.998 --> 00:50:05.139
font.

00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:05.719
Everybody else uses.

00:50:05.739 --> 00:50:06.719
I'm not going to tell you.

00:50:06.739 --> 00:50:07.740
I'm not going to tell you what I

00:50:07.780 --> 00:50:08.061
use either.

00:50:08.081 --> 00:50:09.621
But it was dope.

00:50:10.442 --> 00:50:11.362
Because I wasn't expecting.

00:50:11.623 --> 00:50:14.744
It's something simple.

00:50:15.304 --> 00:50:16.766
To me, it's one of those books, too.

00:50:17.146 --> 00:50:18.746
Like, I've not seen the interior yet,

00:50:19.007 --> 00:50:20.487
outside of what you have teased.

00:50:21.467 --> 00:50:25.349
And this is one of those books where

00:50:25.510 --> 00:50:26.851
I think you have to go with a

00:50:26.990 --> 00:50:28.211
unique font.

00:50:29.498 --> 00:50:32.380
Yes, I did.

00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:33.922
Because to me, it's such a unique book.

00:50:33.943 --> 00:50:35.844
I love everything about it,

00:50:35.884 --> 00:50:41.648
like the story you're going with, the art.

00:50:41.668 --> 00:50:47.052
The main character to me is like, yeah.

00:50:47.112 --> 00:50:47.992
He's so Detroit, though.

00:50:48.012 --> 00:50:49.373
He's so Detroit, though.

00:50:49.393 --> 00:50:52.295
I don't know how to put it.

00:50:52.536 --> 00:50:54.117
Think Kwame Kilpatrick.

00:50:56.148 --> 00:50:56.230
Okay.

00:50:56.250 --> 00:50:56.889
No way I can put it.

00:50:57.170 --> 00:50:57.990
Think that guy.

00:50:58.351 --> 00:50:58.851
But with more,

00:50:59.331 --> 00:51:00.152
I can't say more confidence,

00:51:00.172 --> 00:51:01.653
because he was confident as all get out.

00:51:01.673 --> 00:51:02.655
I don't know how to put it,

00:51:02.974 --> 00:51:05.117
but that's, he's in that mold.

00:51:05.137 --> 00:51:05.257
Yeah.

00:51:06.458 --> 00:51:07.378
He can do no wrong.

00:51:07.659 --> 00:51:09.141
And then all his world gets shaken up.

00:51:09.581 --> 00:51:10.981
I'm like, what the hell?

00:51:11.242 --> 00:51:11.382
What?

00:51:13.704 --> 00:51:13.965
You know,

00:51:14.344 --> 00:51:16.086
it's like his whole world got shaken,

00:51:16.746 --> 00:51:17.148
basically.

00:51:18.403 --> 00:51:20.224
But let's talk a little bit how you're

00:51:20.264 --> 00:51:20.726
going.

00:51:20.925 --> 00:51:23.307
So we went a little over the story.

00:51:23.728 --> 00:51:24.748
I don't want to give away too much

00:51:24.829 --> 00:51:26.449
of it because I really do want people

00:51:26.489 --> 00:51:29.092
to stand and back this book.

00:51:29.733 --> 00:51:32.333
But let's talk about how you're going to

00:51:32.375 --> 00:51:34.795
be funding this book and where people are

00:51:34.835 --> 00:51:36.617
going to really be able to find the

00:51:36.637 --> 00:51:39.840
book once it is ready to go.

00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:42.041
Because you are doing it very differently

00:51:42.161 --> 00:51:43.543
than the norm, right?

00:51:43.876 --> 00:51:44.657
Oh yeah, absolutely.

00:51:44.936 --> 00:51:45.818
Most people were trying to do a

00:51:45.838 --> 00:51:46.717
Kickstarter and all that crap.

00:51:47.458 --> 00:51:48.478
I want it in your hand.

00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.000
No, there's no, I'm not doing all that.

00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:52.840
No, I'm going to do the Amazon KDP,

00:51:52.900 --> 00:51:53.940
you know,

00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:56.782
so you can get it that way and

00:51:57.181 --> 00:51:57.942
on demand that way.

00:51:58.322 --> 00:51:59.963
And I'm doing an initial five hundred

00:52:00.003 --> 00:52:03.724
print myself because I've got everything

00:52:03.764 --> 00:52:05.565
set up for that because

00:52:07.277 --> 00:52:08.978
it's something i have was again something

00:52:09.139 --> 00:52:10.840
i have to do i don't know where

00:52:11.420 --> 00:52:13.342
i can get my own sketch covers but

00:52:13.402 --> 00:52:14.521
i have a limited number of sketch covers

00:52:14.563 --> 00:52:17.985
too oh nice i'm dope yeah and i've

00:52:18.025 --> 00:52:20.365
got different i got three different covers

00:52:20.405 --> 00:52:23.307
right now that was where i was going

00:52:23.347 --> 00:52:25.329
this is like so i've seen the main

00:52:25.369 --> 00:52:27.369
cover which i'm guessing is cover a is

00:52:27.409 --> 00:52:29.172
the one i've been using to market your

00:52:29.211 --> 00:52:32.293
appearance tonight and that thing is like

00:52:32.474 --> 00:52:34.514
legit i love that cover

00:52:35.782 --> 00:52:36.862
So did you see the Anubis cover?

00:52:37.722 --> 00:52:39.063
I have not seen the Anubis cover.

00:52:39.083 --> 00:52:40.164
You didn't send me that one.

00:52:40.804 --> 00:52:41.846
You just sent me the one.

00:52:42.005 --> 00:52:43.827
It was in one of the couple of

00:52:43.867 --> 00:52:44.367
animations.

00:52:45.068 --> 00:52:46.748
I have to go back and rewatch the

00:52:46.768 --> 00:52:48.510
animation again because I literally

00:52:48.530 --> 00:52:49.610
watched it beforehand,

00:52:50.130 --> 00:52:52.233
but I was also trying to eat dinner

00:52:52.253 --> 00:52:53.112
at the same time.

00:52:53.614 --> 00:52:56.355
So my attention was on dinner versus what

00:52:56.394 --> 00:52:57.255
else I was trying to do.

00:52:57.635 --> 00:52:58.416
I snuck that in.

00:52:58.777 --> 00:53:00.677
And when I showed it to my friend,

00:53:00.697 --> 00:53:02.338
he was like, wait a minute.

00:53:03.579 --> 00:53:04.721
I was like, don't worry about it.

00:53:06.195 --> 00:53:08.456
So are all three going to be,

00:53:08.576 --> 00:53:09.755
all of them are going to be available

00:53:09.856 --> 00:53:10.817
all at the same time?

00:53:11.197 --> 00:53:11.237
No,

00:53:11.297 --> 00:53:12.976
they're going to be staggered on purpose.

00:53:14.378 --> 00:53:14.637
Okay.

00:53:14.657 --> 00:53:15.918
Dude, that's pretty genius, actually.

00:53:16.418 --> 00:53:16.659
Like,

00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:19.780
it's going to get less and less of

00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:21.699
the other ones as they come out.

00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:22.019
You know,

00:53:22.701 --> 00:53:25.041
kind of like first one will be

00:53:25.601 --> 00:53:26.242
twenty-five.

00:53:26.262 --> 00:53:27.521
I'm going to give you a number to

00:53:27.541 --> 00:53:27.722
say.

00:53:28.003 --> 00:53:29.103
Next one might be twenty.

00:53:30.043 --> 00:53:31.523
The next one might be fifteen.

00:53:31.983 --> 00:53:33.224
So if you don't get the other ones,

00:53:33.603 --> 00:53:34.385
you don't go ahead and get it.

00:53:34.405 --> 00:53:35.125
You're not going to get it.

00:53:35.942 --> 00:53:38.083
yeah i'm gonna put in my pre-order with

00:53:38.103 --> 00:53:39.364
you now like just tell me what i

00:53:39.384 --> 00:53:43.266
need to do and i do have and

00:53:43.286 --> 00:53:45.047
what's funny is i've got a couple degrees

00:53:45.088 --> 00:53:46.889
i never used because they weren't paying

00:53:46.909 --> 00:53:49.351
the bills yeah and that's in one of

00:53:49.371 --> 00:53:50.632
them people like why are you doing like

00:53:50.672 --> 00:53:52.112
that i said because that's where you're

00:53:52.132 --> 00:53:53.974
working in and keeping it fresh you're

00:53:53.994 --> 00:53:55.795
supposed to do it like that even my

00:53:55.896 --> 00:53:58.498
art show i put out a new flyer

00:53:58.597 --> 00:53:58.998
every week

00:54:00.510 --> 00:54:02.150
like why i said because it's fresh in

00:54:02.170 --> 00:54:04.452
their mind yeah it keeps it relevant in

00:54:04.492 --> 00:54:07.195
front of your face same thing going like

00:54:07.916 --> 00:54:08.695
earlier i was like i said i was

00:54:08.717 --> 00:54:11.659
breaking down on a painting but before

00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:13.420
that i was breaking down characters

00:54:13.900 --> 00:54:15.501
because my book my book is going about

00:54:15.521 --> 00:54:16.762
i think it's going to be oh nice

00:54:16.943 --> 00:54:21.827
yeah and that's basically a graphic novel

00:54:22.550 --> 00:54:25.813
I think there's only twenty-six readable

00:54:25.833 --> 00:54:26.134
pages,

00:54:26.153 --> 00:54:29.436
but the rest are all backgrounds and

00:54:30.536 --> 00:54:31.297
upcoming stuff.

00:54:31.378 --> 00:54:36.521
At the end of the day,

00:54:36.561 --> 00:54:37.862
how many books do you think you're going

00:54:37.882 --> 00:54:39.324
to do of Brother to the Night?

00:54:40.005 --> 00:54:41.146
Well, just right here,

00:54:41.885 --> 00:54:42.827
I'm going to do myself.

00:54:43.146 --> 00:54:44.487
I committed myself to do a three-story,

00:54:44.989 --> 00:54:45.509
three-book arc.

00:54:46.949 --> 00:54:48.150
And then I've got somebody that wants to

00:54:48.170 --> 00:54:48.791
come in behind me.

00:54:50.498 --> 00:54:51.981
That's why I'm doing it the way I'm

00:54:52.041 --> 00:54:52.523
doing it.

00:54:53.003 --> 00:54:53.603
Makes sense.

00:54:53.925 --> 00:54:56.849
Here, do that.

00:54:57.010 --> 00:54:58.592
I got a really good friend that's going

00:54:58.612 --> 00:54:59.554
to write the next art too.

00:55:01.541 --> 00:55:03.483
Ty McFarlane actually does that with his

00:55:03.523 --> 00:55:03.742
books.

00:55:04.222 --> 00:55:07.186
He has different artists and writers and

00:55:07.326 --> 00:55:09.708
everything on almost every different arc

00:55:09.748 --> 00:55:11.429
of all his stories that are currently

00:55:11.528 --> 00:55:12.090
ongoing.

00:55:12.630 --> 00:55:13.690
And then every now and then,

00:55:13.791 --> 00:55:15.251
it'll get to a point where he's like,

00:55:15.311 --> 00:55:15.652
okay,

00:55:16.293 --> 00:55:17.373
I don't know what you're trying to do

00:55:17.414 --> 00:55:18.394
here with this story now,

00:55:18.434 --> 00:55:19.596
but let me reel it back in.

00:55:19.615 --> 00:55:20.757
So I'm going to write the next few

00:55:20.856 --> 00:55:22.217
issues, bring it back,

00:55:22.797 --> 00:55:24.599
and then it's time for a new arc

00:55:24.659 --> 00:55:25.079
anyway.

00:55:25.099 --> 00:55:27.121
So I'm going to close the arc and

00:55:27.141 --> 00:55:28.402
we're going to go to the next arc.

00:55:29.192 --> 00:55:30.855
Did I mention that he's, like,

00:55:30.994 --> 00:55:32.217
I think like that guy?

00:55:32.257 --> 00:55:32.878
Did I mention that?

00:55:33.117 --> 00:55:33.559
You did.

00:55:33.619 --> 00:55:33.898
You did.

00:55:33.940 --> 00:55:34.760
And that's actually, like,

00:55:36.684 --> 00:55:38.626
very few people can do it the way

00:55:38.666 --> 00:55:39.268
he does it.

00:55:39.288 --> 00:55:41.050
And he's a pro at it.

00:55:41.130 --> 00:55:41.510
Like...

00:55:43.021 --> 00:55:44.744
I can't say enough great Danes.

00:55:44.784 --> 00:55:45.623
I know a lot of people,

00:55:46.025 --> 00:55:47.286
you love him or you hate him on

00:55:47.346 --> 00:55:47.445
it.

00:55:48.005 --> 00:55:50.947
But just the way he does Danes,

00:55:51.148 --> 00:55:52.889
it makes a ton of sense from a

00:55:52.989 --> 00:55:54.130
business standpoint.

00:55:54.471 --> 00:55:54.751
It does.

00:55:54.771 --> 00:55:56.333
And the man stands on business.

00:55:56.853 --> 00:55:57.474
Absolutely.

00:55:57.614 --> 00:56:00.275
And it's his whole approach to the whole

00:56:00.335 --> 00:56:01.657
why.

00:56:01.717 --> 00:56:03.657
He comes back to that because it makes

00:56:03.677 --> 00:56:03.818
sense.

00:56:04.179 --> 00:56:05.579
Why can't I do it that way?

00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:07.260
Why can't I?

00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:07.902
Because it says who?

00:56:09.264 --> 00:56:11.907
And is there a reason that you can't

00:56:11.927 --> 00:56:12.547
break the mold?

00:56:12.586 --> 00:56:13.288
There's no reason.

00:56:13.788 --> 00:56:15.230
None.

00:56:16.190 --> 00:56:17.992
I'm literally doing that with mine.

00:56:18.333 --> 00:56:20.074
I'm literally going old school,

00:56:21.094 --> 00:56:21.876
black and white,

00:56:22.936 --> 00:56:24.177
and I'm going to color splash it.

00:56:26.460 --> 00:56:26.820
Nice.

00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:29.643
So if, for instance,

00:56:30.143 --> 00:56:32.146
somebody shoots a gun in my book,

00:56:33.896 --> 00:56:34.936
It's in black and white,

00:56:35.498 --> 00:56:38.199
but the spark in the bullet leaving the

00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:39.882
gun will have color.

00:56:39.902 --> 00:56:42.103
Okay.

00:56:42.184 --> 00:56:45.907
If somebody gets offed.

00:56:47.139 --> 00:56:49.822
The only color on the page is going

00:56:49.842 --> 00:56:50.422
to be the blood.

00:56:51.202 --> 00:56:53.684
Similar to how they did Sin City.

00:56:54.085 --> 00:56:56.047
I would say that's Sin City.

00:56:56.367 --> 00:56:57.648
Sin City.

00:56:57.768 --> 00:57:00.550
I think it's a style of art that

00:57:00.730 --> 00:57:02.911
isn't done enough because I fell in love

00:57:02.931 --> 00:57:04.413
with Sin City because of that.

00:57:05.530 --> 00:57:08.010
Even the movie itself was that way.

00:57:08.030 --> 00:57:08.231
Oh, yes.

00:57:08.630 --> 00:57:09.452
I love that movie.

00:57:10.112 --> 00:57:10.331
Same.

00:57:11.092 --> 00:57:11.592
I watch that.

00:57:11.833 --> 00:57:12.253
I have it on.

00:57:12.672 --> 00:57:13.632
I'm a guy that turns that kind of

00:57:13.652 --> 00:57:15.614
stuff on while I'm drawing and painting.

00:57:15.954 --> 00:57:17.315
I have those going on in the background.

00:57:17.335 --> 00:57:18.735
And I'm like, for some reason,

00:57:19.135 --> 00:57:19.755
I'll see something like, oh,

00:57:19.775 --> 00:57:20.956
I need to do something like that.

00:57:21.016 --> 00:57:21.416
Okay, bad.

00:57:21.436 --> 00:57:22.976
It just jumps in my head.

00:57:22.996 --> 00:57:23.757
And that's what I love.

00:57:23.777 --> 00:57:25.117
Like, if there's a neon sign,

00:57:25.257 --> 00:57:26.978
the neon sign is going to be neon.

00:57:27.518 --> 00:57:28.958
But there's going to be no other color.

00:57:28.998 --> 00:57:29.940
Just the art.

00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:30.079
Yeah.

00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:31.159
Emphasis.

00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:32.900
I like that a lot.

00:57:32.981 --> 00:57:35.001
I love that concept of art.

00:57:35.342 --> 00:57:37.362
It's something that you don't see often.

00:57:37.844 --> 00:57:39.563
And I think for the story I'm trying

00:57:39.603 --> 00:57:40.184
to tell,

00:57:40.684 --> 00:57:42.666
for the error I'm trying to tell the

00:57:42.706 --> 00:57:45.106
story in, I think it fits perfect.

00:57:46.188 --> 00:57:47.907
I'm talking like nineteen thirties,

00:57:48.007 --> 00:57:49.048
nineteen forties.

00:57:50.210 --> 00:57:53.931
Era type of book.

00:57:53.951 --> 00:57:55.972
Historically accurate, absolutely not.

00:57:56.532 --> 00:57:59.114
It's just going to be a fun story.

00:58:00.697 --> 00:58:05.838
told from a different point of view of

00:58:05.978 --> 00:58:11.239
that story okay so think like i don't

00:58:11.260 --> 00:58:12.719
want to use scarface but like the old

00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.119
nineteen thirties nineteen forties mafia

00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.280
movies humphrey bogart you know that kind

00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:20.922
of stuff yeah so i want to tell

00:58:20.942 --> 00:58:22.262
it's a it's that it's like a story

00:58:22.282 --> 00:58:24.922
like that but instead of having humans

00:58:25.788 --> 00:58:28.128
as the main characters and the heads of

00:58:28.168 --> 00:58:30.510
the mafia families is going to be

00:58:31.150 --> 00:58:33.630
universal monsters like Frankenstein,

00:58:33.751 --> 00:58:34.471
Dracula,

00:58:35.311 --> 00:58:36.972
the creature from the Black Lagoon.

00:58:38.052 --> 00:58:39.411
And they are going to be the mafia

00:58:39.452 --> 00:58:39.851
members.

00:58:39.871 --> 00:58:43.313
Oh, I like that a lot.

00:58:43.373 --> 00:58:44.893
So that's breaking news.

00:58:45.173 --> 00:58:46.173
That's what it's going to be.

00:58:47.255 --> 00:58:48.255
I don't know how I want to tell.

00:58:48.275 --> 00:58:48.355
Well,

00:58:48.675 --> 00:58:50.476
I have an idea of the story because

00:58:50.775 --> 00:58:52.295
obviously I've been writing it down for

00:58:52.896 --> 00:58:53.817
four months now.

00:58:54.838 --> 00:58:56.597
But it's one of those where I haven't

00:58:57.559 --> 00:58:59.719
settled on one thing and how I want

00:58:59.759 --> 00:59:02.219
to do it.

00:59:02.300 --> 00:59:02.440
Okay.

00:59:02.460 --> 00:59:02.619
Yeah,

00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:03.460
it's going to be a lot of fun.

00:59:03.820 --> 00:59:05.019
I want to drop a blurb about my

00:59:05.059 --> 00:59:05.340
book.

00:59:05.740 --> 00:59:10.501
Anybody that has ever played White Wolf

00:59:11.641 --> 00:59:14.702
role-playing, they're not defunct.

00:59:14.943 --> 00:59:16.822
I do have the technocracy and hit marks

00:59:16.862 --> 00:59:17.322
in my book.

00:59:18.623 --> 00:59:20.143
I was going to say it reminded me

00:59:20.184 --> 00:59:21.503
a little bit of Double Dragon.

00:59:24.224 --> 00:59:24.425
What?

00:59:25.610 --> 00:59:26.050
Your book.

00:59:26.490 --> 00:59:26.851
It does?

00:59:27.851 --> 00:59:28.032
Like,

00:59:28.072 --> 00:59:29.313
the way the two dudes are on the

00:59:29.333 --> 00:59:29.653
cover?

00:59:29.673 --> 00:59:29.713
Oh.

00:59:30.333 --> 00:59:32.635
That's...

00:59:34.918 --> 00:59:36.559
The guy behind him is the anti-hero.

00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:38.641
Oh, yeah.

00:59:38.681 --> 00:59:39.342
I have no doubt.

00:59:39.583 --> 00:59:41.083
But it was one of those where, like,

00:59:41.623 --> 00:59:42.525
I've seen it, and I was like,

00:59:42.565 --> 00:59:43.786
it's kind of like it's got some Double

00:59:43.806 --> 00:59:45.947
Dragon vibes or some, you know,

00:59:46.489 --> 00:59:48.289
the Street Fighter vibes to it.

00:59:48.309 --> 00:59:48.771
Yeah.

00:59:49.010 --> 00:59:49.972
Two sides, one coin.

00:59:50.012 --> 00:59:50.492
That's all I can say.

00:59:50.552 --> 00:59:51.152
Exactly.

00:59:51.432 --> 00:59:51.952
Two sides, one coin.

00:59:51.972 --> 00:59:52.193
Exactly.

00:59:53.268 --> 00:59:54.188
That's what that is.

00:59:57.110 --> 00:59:58.313
I'm excited about this myself.

00:59:58.572 --> 00:59:59.594
At first, I really wasn't.

00:59:59.873 --> 01:00:01.275
It was a completion thing for me.

01:00:01.514 --> 01:00:02.735
Dude, I know me and Matt both.

01:00:03.137 --> 01:00:04.358
I think we were both.

01:00:04.398 --> 01:00:06.018
The moment you dropped that first teaser,

01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:07.460
we were both on you like, dude.

01:00:07.701 --> 01:00:09.742
Before that, he's already seen stuff.

01:00:10.728 --> 01:00:11.668
He said, what are you waiting on?

01:00:11.768 --> 01:00:12.809
I said, taking my time.

01:00:13.108 --> 01:00:16.190
I'm doing it because I don't know.

01:00:16.210 --> 01:00:16.809
It's your prerogative.

01:00:16.829 --> 01:00:17.449
It's your book.

01:00:17.510 --> 01:00:18.170
It's your baby.

01:00:18.989 --> 01:00:19.871
A hundred percent.

01:00:20.610 --> 01:00:22.572
And I had art shows up the butt

01:00:22.992 --> 01:00:23.492
at a time.

01:00:24.052 --> 01:00:24.371
Mind you,

01:00:24.831 --> 01:00:25.833
I'm not working full-time anymore.

01:00:25.853 --> 01:00:26.793
I'm a full-time artist.

01:00:27.172 --> 01:00:29.173
So I got to keep fresh paintings going.

01:00:29.773 --> 01:00:30.893
Then I got to find time to do

01:00:30.974 --> 01:00:31.514
commissions.

01:00:31.934 --> 01:00:33.054
Then I got to find time to do

01:00:33.195 --> 01:00:33.554
comics.

01:00:34.974 --> 01:00:35.454
You see what I'm saying?

01:00:35.474 --> 01:00:36.356
So it's for me,

01:00:36.675 --> 01:00:37.795
the comics on the lower end,

01:00:37.936 --> 01:00:38.876
because I'm going to get it done,

01:00:38.916 --> 01:00:40.056
but it's not as important as the stuff

01:00:40.077 --> 01:00:40.456
that's paying me.

01:00:42.954 --> 01:00:44.014
Dude, no.

01:00:44.094 --> 01:00:45.456
Money over everything.

01:00:45.755 --> 01:00:46.797
When it is paying me,

01:00:47.117 --> 01:00:48.038
it's going to get a bigger chunk of

01:00:48.057 --> 01:00:49.878
my life.

01:00:49.958 --> 01:00:50.478
Yeah.

01:00:51.018 --> 01:00:52.159
A hundred percent on that.

01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:58.884
Actually, this is only a test.

01:00:59.384 --> 01:00:59.724
I'll say that.

01:00:59.744 --> 01:01:00.625
This is only a test.

01:01:00.985 --> 01:01:01.626
Dude,

01:01:01.666 --> 01:01:02.965
you're about to ace this fucking test.

01:01:02.985 --> 01:01:04.967
I'm telling you that right now.

01:01:05.007 --> 01:01:07.048
Let me see if I can do this

01:01:07.068 --> 01:01:08.389
the way I want to package it the

01:01:08.409 --> 01:01:10.010
way I want to so I can do

01:01:10.030 --> 01:01:10.610
something else.

01:01:11.994 --> 01:01:12.514
Oh, no,

01:01:12.574 --> 01:01:13.735
I get you a hundred percent on that.

01:01:14.155 --> 01:01:14.954
Cause it is,

01:01:16.815 --> 01:01:18.635
it's a difficult road and a difficult

01:01:18.675 --> 01:01:19.215
process,

01:01:19.255 --> 01:01:22.137
especially when it's your account at the

01:01:22.217 --> 01:01:22.916
end of the day.

01:01:23.396 --> 01:01:24.998
Yes.

01:01:25.018 --> 01:01:25.677
Taking the hit.

01:01:25.697 --> 01:01:26.418
Yeah.

01:01:26.597 --> 01:01:28.259
And it's not cheap start to finish.

01:01:28.318 --> 01:01:29.579
It is not cheap.

01:01:30.219 --> 01:01:30.579
And you're not,

01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:32.440
you don't even calculate your own time

01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:32.980
into that.

01:01:33.380 --> 01:01:34.581
That's the part that's not cheap.

01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:35.920
That part right there.

01:01:36.001 --> 01:01:36.740
Yeah.

01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:37.202
Your time.

01:01:37.282 --> 01:01:38.862
Cause once the time is gone,

01:01:39.521 --> 01:01:40.802
you can't get it back money.

01:01:40.822 --> 01:01:41.402
You can get back.

01:01:43.996 --> 01:01:46.237
but you can't get back your time once

01:01:46.257 --> 01:01:48.637
it's gone I tried to explain that to

01:01:48.737 --> 01:01:51.059
somebody one time and it was I don't

01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:52.378
know if it was just over their head

01:01:52.418 --> 01:01:56.338
or if they were just like they didn't

01:01:56.358 --> 01:01:58.739
want to see it through that lens maybe

01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:01.860
but it's like a lot of people when

01:02:02.179 --> 01:02:04.181
they go whether they're a writer,

01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.360
an artist what have you they're not

01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:09.882
calculating their time they're calculating

01:02:09.902 --> 01:02:10.382
the work

01:02:11.061 --> 01:02:11.320
Yes.

01:02:11.860 --> 01:02:14.342
Like I know if I broke down my

01:02:14.422 --> 01:02:16.664
yearly salary to the hour,

01:02:16.744 --> 01:02:18.125
how much I would be making.

01:02:18.625 --> 01:02:19.364
And that's the,

01:02:19.505 --> 01:02:20.826
I'll look through things at.

01:02:21.226 --> 01:02:24.907
So when I'm editing a video or if

01:02:25.108 --> 01:02:29.210
I'm making clips for say, for instance,

01:02:29.250 --> 01:02:29.530
you,

01:02:30.530 --> 01:02:32.251
I break my time down by my dollar,

01:02:32.632 --> 01:02:33.391
what I'm worth.

01:02:34.233 --> 01:02:34.572
Yes.

01:02:34.913 --> 01:02:36.233
Based off my nine to five.

01:02:36.733 --> 01:02:37.454
Absolutely.

01:02:38.375 --> 01:02:40.016
And I don't think enough people win.

01:02:42.047 --> 01:02:43.728
they're doing certain things or they're

01:02:44.789 --> 01:02:45.150
like, oh,

01:02:45.190 --> 01:02:46.391
I'm going to sell this book for this

01:02:46.431 --> 01:02:46.771
amount.

01:02:47.552 --> 01:02:48.972
Is that the dollar amount that you think

01:02:48.992 --> 01:02:51.894
you could sell the book for?

01:02:51.954 --> 01:02:54.115
You know, are you including your time?

01:02:54.175 --> 01:02:57.038
It took you to do this.

01:02:57.719 --> 01:02:57.958
Right.

01:02:58.934 --> 01:02:59.695
I had a friend.

01:02:59.715 --> 01:03:01.034
Because you're not getting that time back.

01:03:01.295 --> 01:03:01.335
No.

01:03:01.356 --> 01:03:02.516
But you can make your dollars.

01:03:03.036 --> 01:03:04.097
A buddy of mine, a really,

01:03:04.177 --> 01:03:04.838
really good friend of mine,

01:03:04.858 --> 01:03:07.099
also a brother of mine, did a book.

01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:08.659
And I did a cover for him.

01:03:08.739 --> 01:03:09.581
I did a poster.

01:03:09.721 --> 01:03:10.880
Just because he asked me to.

01:03:10.942 --> 01:03:11.882
And I was like, yeah, I got you.

01:03:13.182 --> 01:03:16.625
He was asking five bucks for it at

01:03:16.684 --> 01:03:17.945
my table at a Comic-Con.

01:03:18.826 --> 01:03:21.027
I'm selling his same book on my table

01:03:21.188 --> 01:03:23.349
with my cover for fifteen dollars.

01:03:23.849 --> 01:03:24.289
Mm hmm.

01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:28.420
Because you understood the value of your

01:03:28.460 --> 01:03:28.880
time.

01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:31.101
And the difference was they were buying

01:03:31.121 --> 01:03:33.802
them from me.

01:03:33.862 --> 01:03:34.382
They were buying them.

01:03:34.681 --> 01:03:36.623
Quick pass in a hurry.

01:03:36.822 --> 01:03:39.784
Bless you.

01:03:39.884 --> 01:03:40.443
It didn't happen.

01:03:40.463 --> 01:03:40.503
No.

01:03:40.523 --> 01:03:44.605
It got stuck.

01:03:44.704 --> 01:03:45.045
It got stuck.

01:03:45.065 --> 01:03:45.885
It was like right there.

01:03:45.905 --> 01:03:47.226
And I'm like, oh, come on.

01:03:48.302 --> 01:03:49.001
Got stuck on me.

01:03:49.143 --> 01:03:50.784
I couldn't get it out.

01:03:50.884 --> 01:03:53.144
It's like once you get that confidence in

01:03:53.164 --> 01:03:55.206
what you got and know what you're doing,

01:03:55.887 --> 01:03:56.646
they see it.

01:03:57.387 --> 01:03:58.168
They want that.

01:03:58.188 --> 01:03:59.929
They say, okay, give me that.

01:03:59.949 --> 01:04:00.550
Yes, I'll take that.

01:04:00.570 --> 01:04:02.891
I'll take that.

01:04:02.951 --> 01:04:04.052
I found a couple the other day I

01:04:04.291 --> 01:04:04.831
still had.

01:04:04.851 --> 01:04:05.472
I was like, hmm,

01:04:05.813 --> 01:04:06.813
let me see if I can get rid

01:04:06.833 --> 01:04:07.793
of these a couple while I'm here.

01:04:08.153 --> 01:04:08.675
Sure enough,

01:04:09.375 --> 01:04:10.516
I got twenty for them this time.

01:04:12.351 --> 01:04:13.693
So it's wild, right?

01:04:13.733 --> 01:04:16.835
Because I told you during the last con,

01:04:16.875 --> 01:04:19.336
I picked up two little toys art book.

01:04:19.396 --> 01:04:19.617
Right.

01:04:20.436 --> 01:04:21.878
How big do you think that art book

01:04:21.958 --> 01:04:23.518
is?

01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:26.280
I don't know.

01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:27.601
I was a little bitty art book.

01:04:29.382 --> 01:04:30.403
It's full custom.

01:04:30.423 --> 01:04:32.204
Like it's all her arts that she's done

01:04:32.224 --> 01:04:33.565
throughout, you know, that year.

01:04:34.106 --> 01:04:34.487
Okay.

01:04:34.507 --> 01:04:34.987
And, um,

01:04:37.110 --> 01:04:38.010
It came signed.

01:04:38.050 --> 01:04:40.271
It came with a sketch,

01:04:40.331 --> 01:04:42.072
like a sketch she did on the spot

01:04:42.092 --> 01:04:42.653
or whatever.

01:04:43.273 --> 01:04:46.356
But that was forty bucks.

01:04:46.396 --> 01:04:47.757
But it's a one of a kind,

01:04:48.097 --> 01:04:50.998
one of two hundred and fifty or whatever,

01:04:51.579 --> 01:04:54.360
or one of one hundred.

01:04:54.501 --> 01:04:58.224
And that's why I had no issues with

01:04:58.304 --> 01:04:58.384
it.

01:04:59.143 --> 01:04:59.724
I started one.

01:05:00.724 --> 01:05:01.405
Yeah, dude,

01:05:01.985 --> 01:05:04.047
I'm I'm going to fill this up and

01:05:04.168 --> 01:05:05.648
I'm going to send it out and get

01:05:05.688 --> 01:05:06.009
it made.

01:05:07.909 --> 01:05:08.911
That's the way to do it.

01:05:08.931 --> 01:05:11.556
Cause she, she does one a year.

01:05:12.788 --> 01:05:15.210
And depending on which one you pick,

01:05:15.409 --> 01:05:17.210
because she does several different ones.

01:05:17.231 --> 01:05:18.271
Okay.

01:05:18.391 --> 01:05:20.152
And she charges per what it is.

01:05:20.193 --> 01:05:21.514
Like she does a one in five,

01:05:21.554 --> 01:05:22.554
like it could be a one in five

01:05:22.594 --> 01:05:22.914
hundred.

01:05:22.994 --> 01:05:24.335
It could be a, you know,

01:05:24.735 --> 01:05:26.117
a five hundred run or a two hundred

01:05:26.157 --> 01:05:28.418
fifty run, a hundred run, a fifty run.

01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:30.219
And once they're gone, they're gone.

01:05:31.021 --> 01:05:31.121
Right.

01:05:31.141 --> 01:05:32.501
She's not going to get any more made

01:05:32.541 --> 01:05:33.222
for that year.

01:05:33.262 --> 01:05:35.204
So she sells out during a show.

01:05:35.264 --> 01:05:35.923
And, you know,

01:05:35.983 --> 01:05:37.684
you space them out the proper way.

01:05:38.126 --> 01:05:39.706
They'll last you the entire year.

01:05:42.271 --> 01:05:42.692
But yeah,

01:05:42.811 --> 01:05:44.952
I think she actually sold out of the

01:05:44.992 --> 01:05:47.074
twenty twenty five stuff like three

01:05:47.114 --> 01:05:49.375
quarters of the way through twenty twenty

01:05:49.394 --> 01:05:49.795
five.

01:05:50.576 --> 01:05:51.795
Marketing one on one right there.

01:05:52.436 --> 01:05:53.097
Yeah.

01:05:53.117 --> 01:05:55.197
You don't keep you don't keep redoing it,

01:05:55.237 --> 01:05:55.697
redoing it.

01:05:56.097 --> 01:05:57.338
It diminishes your value.

01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:01.880
And the more significant it is.

01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:03.942
And let's say even with those,

01:06:03.961 --> 01:06:05.422
let's say she had forty of them and

01:06:05.443 --> 01:06:06.943
she went through and did something hand on

01:06:07.003 --> 01:06:08.043
each one.

01:06:08.063 --> 01:06:09.264
That creates the value of each one.

01:06:11.036 --> 01:06:12.197
And it was done by hand.

01:06:12.217 --> 01:06:15.559
Like each piece of like art that she

01:06:16.018 --> 01:06:18.400
sketched in that book that day is a

01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:19.440
one of one,

01:06:19.721 --> 01:06:22.442
the signature of one of one.

01:06:24.182 --> 01:06:26.103
That's on that picture that she just drew.

01:06:26.884 --> 01:06:27.123
Right.

01:06:27.324 --> 01:06:29.905
And it's one of those where it's still

01:06:29.945 --> 01:06:30.905
at the end of the day, you're like,

01:06:31.666 --> 01:06:32.726
you know, a lot for that.

01:06:32.827 --> 01:06:33.487
But at the end of the day,

01:06:33.507 --> 01:06:35.407
you're like, that's a one of one.

01:06:36.141 --> 01:06:38.143
exactly like that sketch will not be

01:06:38.202 --> 01:06:40.804
redone by her not in the same style

01:06:40.905 --> 01:06:43.327
in the same manner people love the fact

01:06:43.347 --> 01:06:44.527
that they have something nobody else can

01:06:44.588 --> 01:06:48.110
have oh yeah a hundred percent and it

01:06:48.130 --> 01:06:50.293
wasn't one of those where i was expecting

01:06:50.333 --> 01:06:53.436
to get it i just wanted the you

01:06:53.456 --> 01:06:55.338
know i have a couple of her books

01:06:55.358 --> 01:06:57.840
that i want it signed and um i

01:06:57.860 --> 01:06:58.940
seen it sitting there and i was like

01:07:00.867 --> 01:07:02.570
is that your art book for this year?

01:07:02.590 --> 01:07:03.731
And she was like, yeah, she's like,

01:07:03.771 --> 01:07:06.233
that's the, like the, you know,

01:07:06.554 --> 01:07:08.315
I forgot they're individually numbered

01:07:08.356 --> 01:07:08.695
too.

01:07:09.277 --> 01:07:10.898
So that was like the two hundred and

01:07:10.958 --> 01:07:11.518
fifty one.

01:07:11.539 --> 01:07:12.800
Okay.

01:07:12.820 --> 01:07:13.320
So I was like, yeah,

01:07:13.340 --> 01:07:14.262
I'm going to get in on that.

01:07:14.322 --> 01:07:14.842
Let me get that.

01:07:15.896 --> 01:07:16.195
Right.

01:07:16.476 --> 01:07:17.717
Because like I'll do prints.

01:07:17.916 --> 01:07:20.617
I'll do prints of my stuff from originals.

01:07:21.197 --> 01:07:23.498
But I always keep the first print for

01:07:23.538 --> 01:07:23.958
myself.

01:07:24.657 --> 01:07:25.398
I always do.

01:07:25.699 --> 01:07:26.079
You know why?

01:07:26.099 --> 01:07:27.039
I say because it's mine.

01:07:27.219 --> 01:07:28.159
It's number one.

01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:28.820
Number one.

01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:30.000
There'll never be another number one.

01:07:30.019 --> 01:07:30.900
That's me.

01:07:31.380 --> 01:07:33.001
And then I'll have X amount.

01:07:33.661 --> 01:07:34.940
But then let's say in the first ten,

01:07:35.702 --> 01:07:36.702
I'll do something hand to him.

01:07:37.610 --> 01:07:39.632
If it's a gold embellishment or a

01:07:39.652 --> 01:07:41.074
different color paint here and there,

01:07:41.474 --> 01:07:43.197
everything a little different to show

01:07:43.217 --> 01:07:44.818
those that those are the special ones.

01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:46.159
And then the rest of them are just,

01:07:46.420 --> 01:07:48.242
once they're gone, they're gone.

01:07:48.282 --> 01:07:49.483
Those first ten,

01:07:49.503 --> 01:07:50.784
you can't get nothing else like those.

01:07:51.085 --> 01:07:52.005
The rest of them might be alike,

01:07:52.445 --> 01:07:53.967
but the first ten are going to be

01:07:54.068 --> 01:07:54.588
what they are.

01:07:55.407 --> 01:07:56.407
Mark Spears, I think,

01:07:56.447 --> 01:07:58.188
does a really good job of that with

01:07:58.208 --> 01:07:59.849
the blind bags and that kind of stuff.

01:07:59.869 --> 01:08:02.610
And then DC KO here recently doing the

01:08:02.630 --> 01:08:03.472
blind bags.

01:08:03.711 --> 01:08:04.371
Woo.

01:08:04.492 --> 01:08:04.913
Yes.

01:08:05.092 --> 01:08:05.333
Yeah.

01:08:05.592 --> 01:08:09.434
So, I mean, and honestly, I,

01:08:09.454 --> 01:08:11.295
I'm not reading any of the DC KO.

01:08:11.335 --> 01:08:12.336
It's just not my flavor,

01:08:12.717 --> 01:08:14.838
but the Mark Spears stuff with his

01:08:14.918 --> 01:08:15.498
monsters,

01:08:15.838 --> 01:08:17.960
because I backed the original monsters on

01:08:18.060 --> 01:08:20.061
Kickstarter before the book was picked up

01:08:20.082 --> 01:08:21.141
by the keen spot.

01:08:22.222 --> 01:08:22.502
Okay.

01:08:22.662 --> 01:08:23.243
And, um,

01:08:24.203 --> 01:08:25.185
Just because, like I said,

01:08:25.204 --> 01:08:27.225
I'm a fan of the old Universal Monsters,

01:08:27.265 --> 01:08:29.207
and that's why his book is based off

01:08:29.327 --> 01:08:29.466
of.

01:08:29.487 --> 01:08:30.568
Okay.

01:08:31.628 --> 01:08:33.430
And it's also based off a card game

01:08:33.449 --> 01:08:35.791
that he created based off the Universal

01:08:35.850 --> 01:08:36.292
Monsters.

01:08:36.992 --> 01:08:38.493
He just made it into a comic book.

01:08:38.552 --> 01:08:40.354
Oh, nice.

01:08:40.373 --> 01:08:41.954
But anytime there's a blind bag on those,

01:08:41.975 --> 01:08:44.055
like he just had the Christmas ones,

01:08:44.076 --> 01:08:46.597
he had the Halloween ones, and they're...

01:08:47.657 --> 01:08:49.157
Do I expect to get like one in

01:08:49.516 --> 01:08:50.717
one of the one in fives or the

01:08:50.797 --> 01:08:51.497
one in tens?

01:08:51.837 --> 01:08:52.057
No,

01:08:52.597 --> 01:08:54.019
but I do like the fact that it's

01:08:54.038 --> 01:08:55.538
like a one in two hundred and fifty

01:08:55.658 --> 01:08:58.199
because I'm one of two hundred and fifty

01:08:58.220 --> 01:09:00.279
people out there that own this book now.

01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:00.880
You know,

01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.341
do you see you just you just reiterate

01:09:03.360 --> 01:09:03.921
what I was saying?

01:09:04.220 --> 01:09:06.261
You want to feel like, OK, nobody.

01:09:06.421 --> 01:09:08.141
OK, a few of us got this bet.

01:09:08.221 --> 01:09:08.622
Thank you.

01:09:09.221 --> 01:09:09.721
I'm special.

01:09:09.962 --> 01:09:10.582
Exactly.

01:09:11.203 --> 01:09:11.662
I'm special.

01:09:11.682 --> 01:09:12.023
It is.

01:09:13.581 --> 01:09:14.622
I don't want to say it's like owning

01:09:14.641 --> 01:09:16.884
a piece of the person, but it is.

01:09:17.264 --> 01:09:19.125
It's a little bit of that person because

01:09:19.145 --> 01:09:20.206
they poured a lot of love,

01:09:20.386 --> 01:09:21.266
a lot of passion,

01:09:21.747 --> 01:09:24.208
and a lot of themselves into making that

01:09:24.509 --> 01:09:25.090
special.

01:09:25.789 --> 01:09:27.652
That's why there's only so many out there.

01:09:27.692 --> 01:09:33.015
That's why it's one of those – it's

01:09:33.036 --> 01:09:36.037
hard to put into words because I'm a

01:09:36.078 --> 01:09:37.298
huge fan of Mark Spears,

01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:38.699
especially his villains.

01:09:38.739 --> 01:09:42.342
His superheroes are –

01:09:43.372 --> 01:09:45.613
eh, I could care less.

01:09:45.634 --> 01:09:47.755
But he does a monster or a villain

01:09:47.774 --> 01:09:49.916
or something like that,

01:09:49.975 --> 01:09:52.096
it's a different level.

01:09:52.136 --> 01:09:53.097
He's good either way,

01:09:53.898 --> 01:09:57.340
but the way he does the evil monsters

01:09:57.420 --> 01:09:59.161
and villains and stuff like that,

01:09:59.860 --> 01:10:01.101
you can tell he puts a little bit

01:10:01.162 --> 01:10:02.681
of extra into that.

01:10:03.283 --> 01:10:03.943
So for me,

01:10:04.103 --> 01:10:06.264
I love that dude and what he does

01:10:06.283 --> 01:10:07.984
with monsters and that kind of stuff.

01:10:09.265 --> 01:10:10.926
And me and Matt were talking the other

01:10:10.966 --> 01:10:13.287
night, actually, and I realized something.

01:10:13.728 --> 01:10:15.229
All the artists I really like,

01:10:15.328 --> 01:10:16.409
and I'm a comic guy.

01:10:16.430 --> 01:10:16.989
I like comics,

01:10:17.350 --> 01:10:18.650
but I like the comics for the art.

01:10:20.030 --> 01:10:21.032
It depends on who's drawing it.

01:10:21.072 --> 01:10:22.233
If it's one of my favorite stories and

01:10:22.273 --> 01:10:23.393
somebody's drawing this whack,

01:10:23.752 --> 01:10:24.453
I can't read it.

01:10:25.854 --> 01:10:27.574
I'm a big Joe Mad guy,

01:10:27.675 --> 01:10:30.716
big Jim Lee guy, big Toddy Mac guy,

01:10:30.917 --> 01:10:35.399
Talent Caldwell, E-Bass, Dave Finch.

01:10:35.618 --> 01:10:36.439
Those are all like,

01:10:36.739 --> 01:10:37.800
they all have something different that I

01:10:37.819 --> 01:10:38.940
like the way they do it.

01:10:39.710 --> 01:10:41.230
No, a hundred percent, dude.

01:10:41.831 --> 01:10:43.671
And what I also love is like about

01:10:43.811 --> 01:10:46.713
like indie guys from like Image,

01:10:46.793 --> 01:10:50.076
Boom Studios, Dark Horse,

01:10:50.956 --> 01:10:52.817
is they take the chances on the small

01:10:52.856 --> 01:10:53.837
guys on the come up.

01:10:54.398 --> 01:10:54.658
Yes.

01:10:54.717 --> 01:10:57.859
And they have some of the prettiest art,

01:10:57.880 --> 01:10:59.041
the way they blend colors,

01:10:59.140 --> 01:11:00.862
like these newer styles that are coming

01:11:01.021 --> 01:11:02.203
out into the market.

01:11:02.302 --> 01:11:02.662
Yeah.

01:11:03.591 --> 01:11:05.212
they're just on another level of

01:11:05.292 --> 01:11:06.634
creativity.

01:11:06.673 --> 01:11:07.033
Yes.

01:11:07.493 --> 01:11:09.435
Because they, they hit him with the,

01:11:09.694 --> 01:11:10.456
I'm gonna go back to it.

01:11:10.815 --> 01:11:12.037
The, why can't I do it this way?

01:11:12.837 --> 01:11:14.257
Exactly.

01:11:14.278 --> 01:11:14.957
They live that.

01:11:15.438 --> 01:11:16.038
They make that.

01:11:16.139 --> 01:11:16.738
Exactly.

01:11:16.798 --> 01:11:17.139
Why?

01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:18.500
That's how they get paid.

01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:20.480
Cause it's my office.

01:11:20.541 --> 01:11:21.240
I couldn't do this.

01:11:21.322 --> 01:11:22.261
He said, I couldn't do this.

01:11:22.742 --> 01:11:24.082
And they go, why can't I,

01:11:24.103 --> 01:11:25.002
I'll go over here and do it.

01:11:25.163 --> 01:11:25.644
And we just run.

01:11:25.703 --> 01:11:25.923
Nope.

01:11:26.743 --> 01:11:28.604
I don't need them.

01:11:29.626 --> 01:11:30.166
Absolutely.

01:11:30.667 --> 01:11:31.266
Like, um,

01:11:33.564 --> 01:11:34.323
It's one of the artists.

01:11:34.564 --> 01:11:37.664
He does a lot of Star Wars stuff.

01:11:37.904 --> 01:11:39.824
That's what he is known for is Star

01:11:39.864 --> 01:11:40.324
Wars.

01:11:42.565 --> 01:11:44.706
He's just so good.

01:11:44.725 --> 01:11:46.806
You know it's his the moment you see

01:11:47.167 --> 01:11:48.426
the interiors or the cover.

01:11:48.447 --> 01:11:50.467
You don't even have to see names.

01:11:50.927 --> 01:11:52.488
The moment you open it up, you're like,

01:11:53.587 --> 01:11:55.248
I know who this is.

01:11:55.288 --> 01:11:56.889
You get to a point in your collecting

01:11:57.109 --> 01:11:59.029
and your reading and your studying of

01:11:59.090 --> 01:12:00.289
comic books where you go...

01:12:01.747 --> 01:12:04.368
Oh, that's a Kirkham cover.

01:12:04.408 --> 01:12:07.047
That's a Scotty Young cover.

01:12:07.108 --> 01:12:08.889
That's a Peach Momoko.

01:12:09.529 --> 01:12:10.748
And you just get to that point where

01:12:10.788 --> 01:12:15.670
you know artists by what the cover looks

01:12:15.710 --> 01:12:17.409
like or what the interiors look like.

01:12:18.170 --> 01:12:19.011
It just becomes like,

01:12:20.411 --> 01:12:22.390
especially the ones you really enjoy.

01:12:23.452 --> 01:12:25.091
You could just be walking the aisles and

01:12:25.112 --> 01:12:25.551
be like, ooh,

01:12:25.572 --> 01:12:26.891
they got that one cover from that one

01:12:26.931 --> 01:12:27.292
person.

01:12:28.212 --> 01:12:28.832
I need that one.

01:12:29.393 --> 01:12:29.853
Exactly.

01:12:30.565 --> 01:12:30.746
Like,

01:12:30.926 --> 01:12:34.050
I'm growing more and more to Clayton

01:12:34.069 --> 01:12:34.511
Crane.

01:12:35.171 --> 01:12:36.353
Dude, you just now?

01:12:36.512 --> 01:12:37.835
You just now getting on that?

01:12:37.854 --> 01:12:38.935
No, no, I've been on it, but.

01:12:39.317 --> 01:12:40.497
Like, his Wolverine?

01:12:40.918 --> 01:12:42.980
Seeing the process behind it has got me.

01:12:43.542 --> 01:12:44.162
His YouTube?

01:12:44.882 --> 01:12:45.805
His YouTube and his TikTok.

01:12:46.265 --> 01:12:46.484
Yeah.

01:12:46.945 --> 01:12:49.007
I'm like, wait a minute.

01:12:49.229 --> 01:12:50.289
He's just using what I use.

01:12:53.934 --> 01:12:55.195
Wow.

01:12:55.515 --> 01:12:56.238
All these years,

01:12:56.257 --> 01:12:57.439
he's been doing the same thing,

01:12:57.479 --> 01:12:58.780
just differently,

01:12:59.301 --> 01:13:01.545
because he answered his why.

01:13:01.826 --> 01:13:02.326
Why can't I?

01:13:02.407 --> 01:13:02.926
And he did it.

01:13:04.029 --> 01:13:06.332
And Clayton Crane's one of those guys

01:13:06.391 --> 01:13:08.295
where it is...

01:13:10.171 --> 01:13:12.731
It looks simple, but it's not.

01:13:12.931 --> 01:13:15.453
It's not at all.

01:13:15.512 --> 01:13:17.694
People who see him do what he's doing

01:13:18.515 --> 01:13:20.055
to the level he's doing it at,

01:13:20.114 --> 01:13:21.395
and then they go, I can do that.

01:13:22.015 --> 01:13:24.237
No, you can't.

01:13:24.317 --> 01:13:25.618
No, you can't.

01:13:25.637 --> 01:13:27.719
You are not doing that.

01:13:27.798 --> 01:13:28.019
No.

01:13:28.939 --> 01:13:31.960
To me, I was taught as an artist,

01:13:32.140 --> 01:13:32.940
if there's a tool out there,

01:13:32.961 --> 01:13:34.942
you need to know how to use it.

01:13:34.981 --> 01:13:35.902
You got to be good at it.

01:13:36.282 --> 01:13:37.243
Just know how to use it.

01:13:37.382 --> 01:13:38.122
Just think about it.

01:13:39.668 --> 01:13:43.729
And I've built my whole art career on

01:13:43.770 --> 01:13:44.010
that.

01:13:45.369 --> 01:13:47.011
And it's not just knowing the tool.

01:13:47.171 --> 01:13:48.270
It's using the tool.

01:13:48.291 --> 01:13:49.831
It's repetition with the tool.

01:13:50.211 --> 01:13:50.532
Yes.

01:13:51.252 --> 01:13:52.591
It's like if you don't use it,

01:13:52.692 --> 01:13:53.271
you lose it.

01:13:53.872 --> 01:13:54.212
Mm-hmm.

01:13:55.453 --> 01:13:55.752
Yes.

01:13:56.273 --> 01:13:58.972
And somebody told me my digital painting

01:13:59.012 --> 01:13:59.634
is not painting.

01:13:59.673 --> 01:14:00.913
I said, how come it isn't?

01:14:01.765 --> 01:14:03.346
I said, I'm using oil paints.

01:14:03.447 --> 01:14:04.148
I'm using gouache.

01:14:04.387 --> 01:14:05.248
I'm using the exact same.

01:14:05.548 --> 01:14:07.189
It takes the exact same process to do

01:14:07.250 --> 01:14:07.750
it.

01:14:07.770 --> 01:14:08.470
Just no mess.

01:14:08.951 --> 01:14:09.851
I want to see you get on here

01:14:09.872 --> 01:14:10.192
and do it.

01:14:11.552 --> 01:14:12.173
Exactly.

01:14:13.814 --> 01:14:14.975
I love those people that say, well,

01:14:14.996 --> 01:14:15.536
you can't do that.

01:14:15.576 --> 01:14:15.917
Show me.

01:14:15.976 --> 01:14:16.997
Tell me you can do it then first.

01:14:17.997 --> 01:14:18.918
What I really like,

01:14:19.219 --> 01:14:22.001
and it's been wild because I love to

01:14:22.060 --> 01:14:25.604
see it go from paper to digital.

01:14:26.974 --> 01:14:27.953
to the finished product.

01:14:27.993 --> 01:14:28.715
You know what I'm saying?

01:14:29.175 --> 01:14:30.676
Like the guys who will start it on

01:14:30.716 --> 01:14:33.936
paper and pencil, take the picture of it,

01:14:34.537 --> 01:14:35.077
upload it,

01:14:35.898 --> 01:14:40.300
and then start elevating that same basic

01:14:40.340 --> 01:14:43.081
drawing into the final product.

01:14:43.140 --> 01:14:44.360
And it is just like one of the

01:14:44.421 --> 01:14:45.942
greatest process to watch.

01:14:46.402 --> 01:14:48.703
Well, my program,

01:14:48.783 --> 01:14:51.625
I've gotten so lifelike that I don't have

01:14:51.645 --> 01:14:52.404
to draw on paper anymore.

01:14:54.658 --> 01:14:57.038
It looks like I did and I absolutely

01:14:57.078 --> 01:14:57.418
did not.

01:14:57.779 --> 01:14:59.740
Watch Clayton Crane just like I do because

01:14:59.860 --> 01:15:00.921
it's just fun to watch him.

01:15:01.841 --> 01:15:03.682
You see it's all digital.

01:15:04.684 --> 01:15:05.944
It's just amazing.

01:15:06.685 --> 01:15:09.447
I also have that same love for watching

01:15:09.506 --> 01:15:14.250
Jim Lee draw Batman on paper or watching

01:15:14.310 --> 01:15:17.412
McFarlane draw his Spider-Man on paper.

01:15:18.752 --> 01:15:19.493
It's just like

01:15:20.362 --> 01:15:21.082
Yeah.

01:15:21.141 --> 01:15:21.502
Yeah,

01:15:21.542 --> 01:15:23.443
but seeing him do it on The Way

01:15:23.462 --> 01:15:24.583
Come blew me away too.

01:15:26.064 --> 01:15:26.685
Exactly.

01:15:26.704 --> 01:15:27.904
I was like, whoa!

01:15:28.265 --> 01:15:30.326
Because he's skipping steps.

01:15:30.567 --> 01:15:31.266
He makes shapes.

01:15:31.287 --> 01:15:31.646
That's all he does.

01:15:31.667 --> 01:15:33.087
He doesn't make no detail.

01:15:33.408 --> 01:15:34.948
Dude, it's insane, right?

01:15:35.349 --> 01:15:35.588
Yes.

01:15:35.649 --> 01:15:37.109
The way he starts out with circles and

01:15:37.149 --> 01:15:38.489
rectangles and squares.

01:15:38.989 --> 01:15:41.070
And then he just... Yeah,

01:15:41.551 --> 01:15:43.431
and you're just like... Wait,

01:15:43.471 --> 01:15:45.592
he started out with basically a stick

01:15:45.632 --> 01:15:46.073
figure.

01:15:46.634 --> 01:15:46.894
Right.

01:15:47.234 --> 01:15:49.574
And just made it into this...

01:15:51.701 --> 01:15:55.643
full, three-D-formed masterpiece in, like,

01:15:55.682 --> 01:15:56.283
five minutes.

01:15:56.484 --> 01:15:58.145
Yeah, there was no pencil rendering,

01:15:58.225 --> 01:15:58.484
nothing.

01:15:58.505 --> 01:15:59.465
It was just, okay,

01:15:59.685 --> 01:16:00.466
I got the frame here.

01:16:00.706 --> 01:16:01.667
Now let me put some clothes on it.

01:16:01.686 --> 01:16:05.048
I was like, I can't do that.

01:16:05.349 --> 01:16:05.809
I gotta sketch it out.

01:16:05.828 --> 01:16:06.569
I can't lie.

01:16:06.628 --> 01:16:07.189
I gotta sketch it out.

01:16:07.289 --> 01:16:07.689
I have to.

01:16:08.671 --> 01:16:10.412
And then there's muscles all of a sudden,

01:16:10.492 --> 01:16:11.492
and there's veins,

01:16:11.612 --> 01:16:13.552
and there's facial hair, and there's hair,

01:16:13.573 --> 01:16:16.715
and you're just like, what?

01:16:16.795 --> 01:16:19.476
But how?

01:16:19.497 --> 01:16:19.556
How?

01:16:20.854 --> 01:16:23.454
I hate finding one of his videos.

01:16:23.515 --> 01:16:23.916
I'm painting.

01:16:24.315 --> 01:16:25.615
I'm picking up my phone to relax for

01:16:25.636 --> 01:16:26.356
a minute.

01:16:26.396 --> 01:16:27.016
Then I look up.

01:16:27.537 --> 01:16:28.398
Two hours has gone by.

01:16:28.417 --> 01:16:29.158
I'm like, uh-oh.

01:16:29.318 --> 01:16:31.538
I've been watching videos too long.

01:16:31.859 --> 01:16:34.041
Put this down because I get so involved

01:16:34.060 --> 01:16:34.820
with the process.

01:16:36.122 --> 01:16:36.801
It's amazing.

01:16:37.101 --> 01:16:40.923
I have no qualms with how anybody does

01:16:40.963 --> 01:16:43.005
their art because to each their own,

01:16:43.064 --> 01:16:43.425
right?

01:16:43.725 --> 01:16:44.086
Yes.

01:16:44.466 --> 01:16:47.127
As long as it looks good at the

01:16:47.207 --> 01:16:49.068
end of the day and it moves and

01:16:49.087 --> 01:16:50.208
creates revenue for you,

01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:52.942
Do it.

01:16:52.962 --> 01:16:53.682
I'm going to say this,

01:16:53.703 --> 01:16:55.425
and I'm going to die on this hill.

01:16:55.885 --> 01:16:57.426
I better not catch you doing AI.

01:16:58.287 --> 01:16:58.386
No.

01:16:58.407 --> 01:16:58.927
Oh, hell no.

01:16:59.548 --> 01:16:59.769
No.

01:17:00.548 --> 01:17:00.890
No.

01:17:01.550 --> 01:17:01.791
No.

01:17:02.952 --> 01:17:03.271
Not at all.

01:17:03.292 --> 01:17:04.733
No, we don't play that around here.

01:17:05.253 --> 01:17:05.373
No.

01:17:05.453 --> 01:17:06.795
Absolutely not.

01:17:06.875 --> 01:17:07.836
No, at all.

01:17:08.877 --> 01:17:10.378
And I'm glad the cons are finally

01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:11.840
recognizing it.

01:17:11.859 --> 01:17:12.520
Finally.

01:17:12.881 --> 01:17:14.341
They don't want no AI in there.

01:17:14.443 --> 01:17:14.802
They catch you.

01:17:14.823 --> 01:17:15.403
They're putting you out.

01:17:15.984 --> 01:17:16.664
Yeah, dude.

01:17:18.032 --> 01:17:19.292
I'm trying to remember where it was.

01:17:19.632 --> 01:17:21.832
It made front page of one of the

01:17:21.912 --> 01:17:23.493
big... San Diego.

01:17:23.533 --> 01:17:24.953
Yeah, San Diego.

01:17:24.974 --> 01:17:26.454
It threw out like twelve different people.

01:17:26.654 --> 01:17:27.935
Something like that.

01:17:29.176 --> 01:17:30.416
And it was all bootleg too.

01:17:30.796 --> 01:17:31.615
It was all bootleg.

01:17:32.296 --> 01:17:33.256
I was like, what? !

01:17:34.069 --> 01:17:36.311
I said, y'all are just stupid.

01:17:36.351 --> 01:17:37.452
Not only did they do that,

01:17:37.471 --> 01:17:39.453
they put a big-ass sign up where your

01:17:39.493 --> 01:17:41.675
booth was saying why they threw you out.

01:17:42.114 --> 01:17:42.636
Yep.

01:17:42.655 --> 01:17:43.896
Embarrassed the hell out of you.

01:17:44.936 --> 01:17:46.217
And what kills me is the ones that...

01:17:46.238 --> 01:17:47.859
A walk of shame and a sign to

01:17:47.918 --> 01:17:48.600
point it out.

01:17:49.801 --> 01:17:51.481
Because they were being escorted out.

01:17:51.702 --> 01:17:52.101
Yes.

01:17:52.421 --> 01:17:52.762
They're like...

01:17:55.143 --> 01:17:56.484
There was no talking.

01:17:58.626 --> 01:17:59.086
Get out.

01:17:59.105 --> 01:18:00.768
They would stand there over you and watch

01:18:00.807 --> 01:18:02.009
you pack your shit and leave.

01:18:02.109 --> 01:18:05.612
I've personally seen some people I know

01:18:05.652 --> 01:18:08.293
that have struggled drawing that all of a

01:18:08.333 --> 01:18:13.757
sudden they're freaking Jim Lee.

01:18:13.797 --> 01:18:14.838
How'd you get there?

01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:18.282
They're popping it into AI to clean it.

01:18:18.742 --> 01:18:19.762
Teach me how to do that.

01:18:21.175 --> 01:18:21.994
Show me how to do that.

01:18:22.296 --> 01:18:23.456
And that's why if you watch all my

01:18:23.475 --> 01:18:23.976
videos,

01:18:25.056 --> 01:18:27.158
you'll see my promos where I got pencils,

01:18:28.038 --> 01:18:29.520
inks, colors,

01:18:30.060 --> 01:18:32.240
all in for people that like that.

01:18:32.421 --> 01:18:33.641
They say, oh, you did it?

01:18:33.681 --> 01:18:34.261
No, I didn't.

01:18:34.942 --> 01:18:36.262
No, I didn't.

01:18:36.302 --> 01:18:36.743
Look at this.

01:18:36.863 --> 01:18:38.043
I can show you this.

01:18:38.344 --> 01:18:39.484
I can show you the breakdown.

01:18:39.505 --> 01:18:41.765
You can see the brush strokes in your

01:18:41.805 --> 01:18:42.345
paintings.

01:18:42.365 --> 01:18:47.970
Like, it's literally on a freaking canvas.

01:18:48.210 --> 01:18:48.510
Yeah.

01:18:48.970 --> 01:18:50.430
But even with the comics,

01:18:51.738 --> 01:18:52.957
People are questioning, like, well,

01:18:53.099 --> 01:18:53.878
when did you get that good?

01:18:53.958 --> 01:18:54.578
I've been that good.

01:18:54.639 --> 01:18:55.538
I just wasn't doing my own.

01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:57.000
Have you not seen my pinups?

01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:58.079
Have you not seen my covers?

01:18:58.680 --> 01:18:59.360
Probably not.

01:19:00.261 --> 01:19:01.101
If you're asking that question.

01:19:02.362 --> 01:19:03.582
So I'll say this, dude.

01:19:06.644 --> 01:19:09.265
This show right here, right now,

01:19:09.824 --> 01:19:12.605
was shared more times than any other show

01:19:12.765 --> 01:19:15.707
I've done in the past.

01:19:15.827 --> 01:19:16.287
Oh, wow.

01:19:17.007 --> 01:19:17.328
Really?

01:19:17.868 --> 01:19:18.068
Yeah.

01:19:19.434 --> 01:19:21.194
Like the amount of love you get from

01:19:21.255 --> 01:19:23.796
the community around you and the people

01:19:23.855 --> 01:19:27.596
around you was amazing.

01:19:27.676 --> 01:19:29.537
I was looking at it before we had

01:19:29.597 --> 01:19:32.399
started because I kept seeing like, oh,

01:19:32.439 --> 01:19:33.338
this person shared this,

01:19:33.359 --> 01:19:34.259
this person shared this.

01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:34.578
You know,

01:19:34.599 --> 01:19:35.720
you can click on that and you can

01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:37.199
see how many times it's basically been

01:19:37.220 --> 01:19:37.619
shared.

01:19:38.001 --> 01:19:38.220
Okay.

01:19:38.320 --> 01:19:39.780
I can't remember the exact number,

01:19:39.820 --> 01:19:41.981
but it was getting up to the double

01:19:42.002 --> 01:19:45.783
digit shares for this show tonight.

01:19:45.823 --> 01:19:46.583
For little old me?

01:19:47.163 --> 01:19:47.344
Yeah.

01:19:48.237 --> 01:19:48.436
Dude,

01:19:48.516 --> 01:19:51.478
you have an amazing community around you.

01:19:51.597 --> 01:19:53.399
It is phenomenal to see.

01:19:54.199 --> 01:19:55.119
I kind of warned the...

01:19:55.380 --> 01:19:59.742
I'm having my art show at a distillery.

01:19:59.822 --> 01:20:00.962
Why is that me doing it at a

01:20:01.143 --> 01:20:01.682
distillery?

01:20:02.162 --> 01:20:02.943
I don't know.

01:20:03.623 --> 01:20:05.704
Hey, get in where you fit in, right?

01:20:05.744 --> 01:20:06.324
I asked, I said,

01:20:06.364 --> 01:20:07.425
how many can you hold?

01:20:07.864 --> 01:20:08.845
Oh, about eight to a hundred.

01:20:08.886 --> 01:20:09.386
I said, ooh.

01:20:09.826 --> 01:20:10.006
I said,

01:20:10.145 --> 01:20:11.207
it's going to be a lot of people

01:20:11.287 --> 01:20:11.506
here.

01:20:11.527 --> 01:20:11.907
I said,

01:20:11.926 --> 01:20:13.488
this is the first art show I've done

01:20:13.528 --> 01:20:14.688
within the city limits.

01:20:15.309 --> 01:20:15.988
Mm-hmm.

01:20:16.394 --> 01:20:18.574
And everybody has wanted to come to my

01:20:18.595 --> 01:20:18.935
shows,

01:20:19.314 --> 01:20:21.036
but they're always outside the city

01:20:21.076 --> 01:20:21.296
limits.

01:20:21.315 --> 01:20:23.096
Nobody really wants to go far and

01:20:23.117 --> 01:20:23.556
everything else.

01:20:23.936 --> 01:20:25.016
I said, you're going to get packed.

01:20:26.078 --> 01:20:26.677
But no, we're not.

01:20:26.698 --> 01:20:27.417
I said, yeah, you are.

01:20:28.498 --> 01:20:29.479
And you just proved it.

01:20:29.759 --> 01:20:30.960
I'm going to do you a solid.

01:20:31.180 --> 01:20:39.722
Let me show you something.

01:20:39.743 --> 01:20:41.604
That's one of the alternate covers.

01:20:43.064 --> 01:20:43.585
Dude.

01:20:45.481 --> 01:20:46.542
I'm telling you.

01:20:46.563 --> 01:20:49.184
Just point me in the direction and let

01:20:49.224 --> 01:20:50.345
me go get what I need to get

01:20:50.385 --> 01:20:52.725
because I want one of each.

01:20:52.746 --> 01:20:54.846
It'll probably be formatted and uploaded

01:20:55.146 --> 01:20:58.307
next week because I got, I think,

01:20:58.368 --> 01:20:59.429
four or five more edits to go and

01:20:59.448 --> 01:20:59.809
I'm done.

01:21:01.889 --> 01:21:03.029
That's what I'm on.

01:21:03.751 --> 01:21:05.492
I'm glad we're getting to this because it

01:21:05.551 --> 01:21:07.173
is kind of time to start wrapping this

01:21:07.253 --> 01:21:07.333
up.

01:21:07.493 --> 01:21:07.833
Otherwise,

01:21:07.873 --> 01:21:08.914
I would sit here and talk to you

01:21:09.074 --> 01:21:11.037
all night about this kind of stuff.

01:21:11.197 --> 01:21:11.796
I can do that.

01:21:12.257 --> 01:21:12.797
That's who I am.

01:21:12.858 --> 01:21:13.559
I don't mind it at all.

01:21:13.578 --> 01:21:14.520
I got work in the morning.

01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:15.360
I can't do that.

01:21:16.862 --> 01:21:17.582
I got to go paint.

01:21:17.662 --> 01:21:19.783
I got a show coming up.

01:21:19.823 --> 01:21:21.164
Yeah, I was about to say, let's...

01:21:22.198 --> 01:21:24.560
Let's tell everybody where your show is

01:21:24.581 --> 01:21:25.462
going to be at,

01:21:25.521 --> 01:21:27.123
what time it's going to be there,

01:21:27.804 --> 01:21:29.886
and what can they expect from your show?

01:21:30.587 --> 01:21:32.287
If you're in the Detroit area,

01:21:32.387 --> 01:21:34.550
it's going to be at Two James Spirits

01:21:34.631 --> 01:21:37.632
on Michigan Avenue near downtown Detroit

01:21:37.693 --> 01:21:39.435
in front of the new train station.

01:21:40.216 --> 01:21:42.537
It's going to start at six o'clock.

01:21:43.418 --> 01:21:45.980
I'm doing something very special because I

01:21:46.001 --> 01:21:47.762
didn't know how to help my cousin.

01:21:48.823 --> 01:21:51.824
She's been diagnosed with cancer.

01:21:51.885 --> 01:21:53.525
A severe kind of cancer.

01:21:54.345 --> 01:21:56.306
And what I did was I painted one

01:21:56.367 --> 01:21:58.547
piece that I'm going to donate sixty

01:21:58.568 --> 01:22:00.628
percent of the sale to her.

01:22:02.250 --> 01:22:03.350
And it's going to be a silent auction

01:22:03.751 --> 01:22:04.350
for that piece.

01:22:06.231 --> 01:22:09.234
Because it's she survived the

01:22:10.265 --> 01:22:11.046
No, pancreatic cancer.

01:22:11.327 --> 01:22:13.226
Leukemia, one of them, at fourteen.

01:22:13.728 --> 01:22:14.387
She survived that.

01:22:14.688 --> 01:22:15.488
She's now forty-five.

01:22:15.507 --> 01:22:17.168
So it's come back to try again.

01:22:17.189 --> 01:22:18.429
A different kind this time.

01:22:18.588 --> 01:22:19.609
Yeah.

01:22:19.750 --> 01:22:21.251
And it bothered me so much, too.

01:22:21.371 --> 01:22:22.051
I didn't know what to do.

01:22:22.070 --> 01:22:22.711
I'm down there painting.

01:22:22.730 --> 01:22:25.091
I was like, before I said a word,

01:22:25.112 --> 01:22:25.532
I called her.

01:22:25.551 --> 01:22:25.931
I said, hey, look,

01:22:25.952 --> 01:22:27.113
I'm going to do this.

01:22:27.132 --> 01:22:28.092
She said, what?

01:22:28.713 --> 01:22:29.814
At first, I don't think it sunk in.

01:22:30.793 --> 01:22:32.055
Then later on,

01:22:32.354 --> 01:22:33.655
I seen her sharing it and loving it.

01:22:33.716 --> 01:22:34.475
And I'm like, oh.

01:22:34.996 --> 01:22:37.056
Because we need that.

01:22:37.356 --> 01:22:38.577
That's another way my art can help

01:22:38.597 --> 01:22:38.938
somebody.

01:22:41.292 --> 01:22:42.972
I mentioned earlier when we kicked off the

01:22:42.993 --> 01:22:48.256
show that that's what your art is bringing

01:22:48.615 --> 01:22:50.837
to people around you.

01:22:50.877 --> 01:22:53.738
When I literally said tons of people have

01:22:53.779 --> 01:22:55.539
shared this show tonight,

01:22:55.579 --> 01:22:58.320
hopefully they tune in on the replay of

01:22:58.360 --> 01:22:59.721
it and listen to it when it hits

01:23:00.221 --> 01:23:06.284
the podcast links because good things

01:23:06.324 --> 01:23:07.746
happen for good people and you're good

01:23:07.765 --> 01:23:08.725
people in my book.

01:23:08.746 --> 01:23:09.926
Appreciate that, bro.

01:23:11.220 --> 01:23:11.621
I'm happy.

01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:13.442
I can't wait to see how well the

01:23:13.462 --> 01:23:14.122
show is going to go.

01:23:14.162 --> 01:23:14.622
I know you'll,

01:23:14.643 --> 01:23:16.384
you'll provide some social media updates

01:23:16.484 --> 01:23:17.863
on that as it goes on.

01:23:18.444 --> 01:23:20.046
And I'm looking forward to seeing that

01:23:20.206 --> 01:23:21.706
when you start posting on that.

01:23:22.207 --> 01:23:23.806
Now let's talk about the comic book one

01:23:23.827 --> 01:23:24.387
more time.

01:23:24.528 --> 01:23:24.847
Okay.

01:23:25.507 --> 01:23:28.890
When can people expect the link to buy

01:23:28.909 --> 01:23:30.411
the comic book to go live?

01:23:31.180 --> 01:23:32.362
I would say the first week of February.

01:23:32.981 --> 01:23:34.002
First week of February.

01:23:34.243 --> 01:23:34.363
Yep.

01:23:34.382 --> 01:23:35.122
All right.

01:23:35.162 --> 01:23:36.203
I need to be the first one on

01:23:36.222 --> 01:23:36.703
that list.

01:23:38.345 --> 01:23:40.485
I'll have to send you a link directly

01:23:40.525 --> 01:23:41.326
because if I don't,

01:23:41.865 --> 01:23:42.827
I got a feeling I'm going to get

01:23:42.947 --> 01:23:43.167
red dotted.

01:23:44.905 --> 01:23:46.287
Yeah, dude, no, hit me up.

01:23:46.527 --> 01:23:47.988
I will definitely,

01:23:48.028 --> 01:23:49.347
because I want to be able to share

01:23:49.368 --> 01:23:49.948
it with everybody,

01:23:49.969 --> 01:23:52.529
because I did give bad gouge,

01:23:52.750 --> 01:23:54.150
and I don't like giving bad gouge,

01:23:54.171 --> 01:23:55.270
but I originally thought it was a

01:23:55.331 --> 01:23:57.731
Kickstarter, so when it's live, for sure,

01:23:57.832 --> 01:23:58.893
I'm going to go back,

01:23:58.953 --> 01:24:00.314
make another social media post,

01:24:00.354 --> 01:24:01.734
and put it back out there for everybody

01:24:01.774 --> 01:24:03.335
to see, because again,

01:24:03.454 --> 01:24:05.695
I do not like to give bad gouge,

01:24:05.716 --> 01:24:07.136
and I want people to go support the

01:24:07.157 --> 01:24:07.737
comic book,

01:24:07.777 --> 01:24:11.878
because I've seen the teasers for the last

01:24:11.979 --> 01:24:12.920
four or five months,

01:24:13.100 --> 01:24:13.319
and

01:24:16.130 --> 01:24:16.250
Dude.

01:24:16.270 --> 01:24:17.530
Go sell this book out.

01:24:18.231 --> 01:24:19.231
I was going to do a Kickstarter,

01:24:19.252 --> 01:24:19.993
but I was like, no.

01:24:20.252 --> 01:24:22.956
Everybody does that.

01:24:23.015 --> 01:24:24.197
Even Todd McFarlane has done one.

01:24:24.777 --> 01:24:25.417
Done a few of them.

01:24:25.677 --> 01:24:27.559
So I'm like, no.

01:24:27.699 --> 01:24:28.739
I haven't got to that.

01:24:29.100 --> 01:24:30.921
My thing is, I haven't earned that yet.

01:24:31.682 --> 01:24:33.224
People don't know me enough to get out

01:24:33.243 --> 01:24:33.685
there and do that.

01:24:33.704 --> 01:24:34.765
They might support here and there or

01:24:34.786 --> 01:24:35.046
whatever,

01:24:35.426 --> 01:24:36.766
but they don't know me like that to

01:24:36.806 --> 01:24:37.207
do that.

01:24:37.608 --> 01:24:39.389
Let me show them I can do this

01:24:39.970 --> 01:24:42.131
on my own before I can say, hey,

01:24:43.113 --> 01:24:44.654
Pay me before I do it type deal.

01:24:44.675 --> 01:24:45.836
That's how I look at it.

01:24:45.916 --> 01:24:46.417
Yeah.

01:24:46.457 --> 01:24:47.997
I want to have a proven track record.

01:24:48.899 --> 01:24:50.619
When you're ready to do a Kickstarter,

01:24:50.699 --> 01:24:51.260
let me know.

01:24:52.060 --> 01:24:52.320
Okay.

01:24:52.541 --> 01:24:54.922
I have some great resources from some

01:24:54.962 --> 01:24:56.224
great friends who have been running

01:24:56.264 --> 01:24:58.706
Kickstarters for years now,

01:24:58.765 --> 01:25:00.967
and they have literally put down every

01:25:01.028 --> 01:25:02.628
lesson they have ever learned about

01:25:02.689 --> 01:25:03.729
running Kickstarters.

01:25:03.750 --> 01:25:04.871
Okay.

01:25:04.930 --> 01:25:05.992
So when you're ready to do it,

01:25:06.051 --> 01:25:06.551
let me know,

01:25:06.652 --> 01:25:09.835
and I will get you those resources because

01:25:10.716 --> 01:25:11.836
they're amazing resources.

01:25:12.679 --> 01:25:15.800
gotcha so i'll be ready plus i might

01:25:15.819 --> 01:25:18.820
know a guy who's who's talked to maybe

01:25:18.921 --> 01:25:22.822
forty or ish kickstart projects before wow

01:25:22.862 --> 01:25:26.884
okay i i i don't know what you're

01:25:26.904 --> 01:25:27.863
talking about man who's that guy who is

01:25:27.884 --> 01:25:30.064
that guy

01:25:30.628 --> 01:25:33.390
Like I've literally like it was I had

01:25:33.430 --> 01:25:34.890
an awesome twenty twenty five, man.

01:25:34.930 --> 01:25:36.391
I hope in twenty twenty six is even

01:25:36.431 --> 01:25:36.771
better.

01:25:37.252 --> 01:25:39.252
I would like to maybe double the amount

01:25:39.273 --> 01:25:41.054
of people I've talked I talked to this

01:25:41.094 --> 01:25:43.734
year, whether it's Indiegogo,

01:25:43.954 --> 01:25:45.095
which I'm not a fan of the back

01:25:45.176 --> 01:25:46.235
end of Indiegogo.

01:25:46.936 --> 01:25:47.716
Kickstarter, I think,

01:25:47.737 --> 01:25:49.278
is amazing from start to finish.

01:25:51.958 --> 01:25:53.779
Independent like yourself who are just

01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:55.640
going to print it and sell it.

01:25:56.971 --> 01:25:59.555
amazon direct and stuff like that you know

01:25:59.574 --> 01:26:02.296
i've never like hell yeah let's do it

01:26:02.356 --> 01:26:05.359
you know i'm there for two i'll support

01:26:05.380 --> 01:26:07.601
that as well it's a lot easier for

01:26:07.622 --> 01:26:09.423
somebody that's trying to build a

01:26:09.444 --> 01:26:12.326
reputation on their own that way it really

01:26:12.405 --> 01:26:13.967
is and you then you can cement it

01:26:14.167 --> 01:26:16.569
put the stamp on it like hey i

01:26:16.609 --> 01:26:18.572
did this one this is what it did

01:26:19.332 --> 01:26:21.454
let's put it out there right so

01:26:22.556 --> 01:26:23.417
No, a hundred percent.

01:26:23.797 --> 01:26:25.519
But now tell everybody where they can find

01:26:25.559 --> 01:26:26.479
you on social media.

01:26:26.500 --> 01:26:28.841
And we'll close this up on Facebook.

01:26:29.001 --> 01:26:30.322
I am angry artist.

01:26:30.341 --> 01:26:33.123
Seventy four on tick tock and Instagram.

01:26:33.224 --> 01:26:34.083
I am cheat designs,

01:26:34.283 --> 01:26:35.505
cheat underscore designs.

01:26:36.926 --> 01:26:39.167
And that's that's where that, you know.

01:26:39.688 --> 01:26:39.868
Yeah.

01:26:39.887 --> 01:26:45.131
All right, everybody.

01:26:45.211 --> 01:26:46.572
I will have all the links that he

01:26:46.612 --> 01:26:47.372
just mentioned.

01:26:48.176 --> 01:26:49.877
in the description of this when it goes

01:26:49.938 --> 01:26:52.958
live again on podcast platforms and also

01:26:53.059 --> 01:26:54.920
on the YouTube re-release.

01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:56.940
And as soon as he is ready to

01:26:56.980 --> 01:26:59.641
start selling this book on one February,

01:26:59.942 --> 01:27:02.243
best believe the USDN is going to be

01:27:02.283 --> 01:27:04.043
one of the first ones to share that

01:27:04.144 --> 01:27:07.024
across social media for him and make sure

01:27:07.045 --> 01:27:09.426
that you know what is up with that

01:27:09.466 --> 01:27:09.746
book.

01:27:09.805 --> 01:27:12.627
It is going to be an amazing book,

01:27:12.886 --> 01:27:14.868
no doubts from what I've already seen of

01:27:14.908 --> 01:27:15.307
the book.

01:27:15.747 --> 01:27:16.588
And I haven't even got to read it

01:27:16.628 --> 01:27:16.828
yet.

01:27:17.588 --> 01:27:20.231
and i already know i just know yeah

01:27:20.271 --> 01:27:24.658
yes but make sure you check out brother

01:27:24.677 --> 01:27:25.238
to the night

01:27:27.810 --> 01:27:29.752
On his platform, when it does come out,

01:27:29.811 --> 01:27:32.153
make sure to support that book and pick

01:27:32.172 --> 01:27:34.314
yourself up a copy of that book.

01:27:34.753 --> 01:27:35.534
And follow Lloyd.

01:27:35.595 --> 01:27:36.414
Lloyd's good people.

01:27:36.454 --> 01:27:37.735
He's always posting his art,

01:27:38.216 --> 01:27:39.676
where he's going to be at in his

01:27:39.716 --> 01:27:40.277
community.

01:27:40.856 --> 01:27:41.417
And I'm telling you,

01:27:41.436 --> 01:27:43.677
he's always giving back to his community

01:27:43.738 --> 01:27:45.698
and showing support and love to his

01:27:45.759 --> 01:27:46.259
community.

01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:48.820
And as always, support indie creators.

01:27:49.280 --> 01:27:51.362
Support original voices.

01:27:52.261 --> 01:27:54.463
The Council of Nerds will reconvene

01:27:54.484 --> 01:27:57.586
tomorrow with Nathan Rouse.

01:27:57.746 --> 01:27:59.146
I hope I'm saying his name right because

01:27:59.186 --> 01:28:00.407
I haven't had a chance to actually talk

01:28:00.447 --> 01:28:00.807
to him yet.

01:28:01.188 --> 01:28:03.489
But I'll be live with him tomorrow at

01:28:03.710 --> 01:28:04.489
seven p.m.

01:28:04.649 --> 01:28:06.411
Eastern Standard Time to talk about his

01:28:06.712 --> 01:28:07.252
Idolverse,

01:28:07.292 --> 01:28:09.212
which is a really dope universe that he

01:28:09.252 --> 01:28:09.993
has built.

01:28:10.634 --> 01:28:12.716
And as always, I'm the chairman.

01:28:13.275 --> 01:28:15.136
And this has been the United States

01:28:15.157 --> 01:28:16.078
Department of Nerds,

01:28:16.618 --> 01:28:19.140
where indie comments come to life.

01:28:20.466 --> 01:28:23.208
Enjoy your night and safe travels for

01:28:23.229 --> 01:28:23.488
anybody.

01:28:23.509 --> 01:28:24.869
If you're getting this winter storm coming

01:28:24.890 --> 01:28:25.069
through.