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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible Guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Chris and I am Wesley. Back again. You can't

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<v Speaker 3>get rid of.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, No, you cannot, and we are glad to have you. Wesley.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been really fun actually having you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>get and spend time with you, and you know, through

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<v Speaker 1>these goofy little segments, I get to know you a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more. Yes, Jeff is out of town, so

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<v Speaker 1>Wesley is a part of our church that we both

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<v Speaker 1>work at. That Jeff and I both work out in

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<v Speaker 1>case you're listening out of state or out of country.

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<v Speaker 1>But this next segment's actually gonna help me get to

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<v Speaker 1>know you even better because Desiree has put together a

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<v Speaker 1>segment for you and.

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<v Speaker 2>Me called two Truths in a Lie.

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<v Speaker 3>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all familiar with this game. Yes, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>tell me three things. Two of them are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be true. One's going to be a lie. Now listen,

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<v Speaker 1>My only caveat is don't tell a story and then

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, I was going eighty miles an hour

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<v Speaker 1>and then say Oh that was a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>I was only going seventy nine miles yea. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be a lie. It's gonna be a full lie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So all right, so I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 4>But okay, here we go. Three things. So number one,

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<v Speaker 4>these are just gonna be short phrases. So I have

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<v Speaker 4>never traveled north in Michigan, like to the up that thing.

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<v Speaker 4>That's one.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, okay, so you're just meaning only up.

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<v Speaker 3>So or northern. I'll put it this way.

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<v Speaker 2>People might consider up north.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I have never traveled north of Saginaw or something

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<v Speaker 4>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so that's one.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, if that's true, that's gonna be hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 4>I've never or I have traveled to Montana when I

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<v Speaker 4>was younger. That's another one. The third one would be

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<v Speaker 4>I love Southern style deep fried catfish. So those are

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<v Speaker 4>one is false.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's two traveling stories and then there's a southern

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<v Speaker 1>catfish story.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, holy cow.

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<v Speaker 3>Which one is the lie?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what you lived in Michigan, I think

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<v Speaker 1>your whole life, so uh so, in order for you

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<v Speaker 1>to not have, you know, up north. For those of

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<v Speaker 1>you who aren't Michigan or is listening to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it sounds crazy to even say north if

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<v Speaker 1>you live in Michigan, because if you live anywhere else

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, they're like, aren't you the most north?

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<v Speaker 3>But it goes even further north?

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<v Speaker 2>Well and that, but it's sort of a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan is known for its beauty. The land up north,

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<v Speaker 1>Northern Michigan is the best part of Michigan. Marquette, yes

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<v Speaker 1>and so, but but who would ever claim that though

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<v Speaker 1>that is so outlandish that I'm going to say that

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, as hard as that is to believe. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to believe that you like catfish, because that is

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<v Speaker 1>also atlandish. But I've had Southern fried catfish because I

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<v Speaker 1>lived in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 2>For ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where my wife's from.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would say, I would say, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>love that because it's it's it's a it's a weird

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<v Speaker 1>thing to point out to hate.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to say, you've never been to Montana.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the lie.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, here it is drum roll. I am allergic to fish,

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<v Speaker 4>No way, I am allergic.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, wait a minute, but you didn't say that.

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<v Speaker 2>You said you love it. Do you love it? But

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<v Speaker 2>you love it but you're allergic to it?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I messed that up, but I am alert. So

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<v Speaker 3>the fact, did I say I love it or you

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<v Speaker 3>said I love it? Yeah? So I don't love it?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So because when I was young, my mom would fry fish.

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<v Speaker 4>I would literally have to go in the basement because

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<v Speaker 4>the rising smoke would irritate my eyes and okay and

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<v Speaker 4>all that stuff. So yeah, I am a no fish person. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So so and then.

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<v Speaker 4>For going up north, I have never been north of

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<v Speaker 4>probably Midland.

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<v Speaker 2>That is crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I have never in my So here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>We do a fair amount of travel, but whenever we travel,

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<v Speaker 4>we go out of the state.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't typically vacation in Michigan. Not normally.

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<v Speaker 4>We normally going to Georgia, where my wife is from,

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<v Speaker 4>or going to Florida or.

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<v Speaker 2>New York about like a little week and away or something.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't go to freaking Mouth. Maybe you know that's north.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, right, so no, that's the furthest Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>that is technically not correct.

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<v Speaker 4>My sister went to uh Far Estate, which is in

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<v Speaker 4>Big Rapids, so technically that's north. And so I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know where that rinks in terms of Midland how high

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<v Speaker 4>that is.

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<v Speaker 2>But Big Rapids is almost north, It's almost up north.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So I've been to Big Rapids before.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So then I have been to Montana when I

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<v Speaker 4>was like fifteen fourteen something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, Well, I gotta let you know. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>up north to Midland. No, no, no, not to Midland. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>up north twice wow in the next three weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a wedding and Big Rapids, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like north of Trevors City, which is like way up here, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'm also going to, uh, Pataski.

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<v Speaker 3>So do you need a passport to go to Pataski?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to Pataski, which is pretty much almost

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<v Speaker 1>right near there, next weekend because we have just this

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<v Speaker 1>well we're going to visit my mother who's sick, my

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<v Speaker 1>mother in law who's sick. Then but then at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of that we're going to to get it get

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<v Speaker 1>away for a couple of days up north. And I

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<v Speaker 1>got to tell you, uh, that's some of our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>that I think she would probably say her favorite place

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<v Speaker 1>to get away in the United States is Potoski, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, isn't that crazy? Yeah, and you've never been.

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<v Speaker 3>I have never been.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, one day I got to make the trek past

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<v Speaker 4>Midland and show that I'm a true Michigander.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I would. I would encourage you to get

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<v Speaker 2>away just for a weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've talked about it, like Traverse City and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I think is it Holland that has the flower festival

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<v Speaker 4>the Lily's or I don't know what they are, but that's.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sort of west though.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's I mean, that's slightly north, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>mostly west.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would say I would say the northern cities.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what you probably ought to do is do

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<v Speaker 1>the Tunnel of Trees when.

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<v Speaker 2>When the leaves change that you have done that before?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding me? Multiple times?

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<v Speaker 1>And and we'll probably do it, you know again, even

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<v Speaker 1>though the leaves aren't changed yet. We'll probably still do

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<v Speaker 1>the Tunnel of Trees because it's tremendous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And everyone says you gotta do Macanal Island. Have

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<v Speaker 3>you not been right?

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<v Speaker 2>I've been to mcana Island like five times. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>So that the truth never been north.

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<v Speaker 1>I've stayed the Grand Hotel twice, oh man, So yeah

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<v Speaker 1>that's crazy. So all right, well, hey, we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to jump straight into First Amul chapter sixteen, versus one

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<v Speaker 1>through thirteen. And this is a very big moment because

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<v Speaker 1>basically David is chosen by God long before Saul's reign

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<v Speaker 1>is over right, So King David is recognized by God

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<v Speaker 1>as the next king, and it's there becomes a jealousy

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<v Speaker 1>factor that happens because the favor falls off of Saul,

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<v Speaker 1>a God's favor, God's God's anointing, God's you know, power

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<v Speaker 1>falls out of Sault because Saul is just too inconsistent.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just a guy who just is not consistent in

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<v Speaker 1>his faith, in his faithfulness, and so God chose as

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<v Speaker 4>And this is First Samuel chapter sixteen, verses one through thirteen,

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<v Speaker 4>New Living Translation, and it says, now the Lord said

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<v Speaker 4>to Samuel, you have more long enough for Saul. I

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<v Speaker 4>have rejected him as king of Israel. So fill your

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<v Speaker 4>flask with olive oil and go to Bethlehem. Find a

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<v Speaker 4>of his sons to be my king. But Samuel asked,

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<v Speaker 4>Lord replied, and say that you have come to make

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<v Speaker 4>anoint for me verse four. So Samuel did as the

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<v Speaker 4>Lord instructed. When he arrived at Bethlehem, the elders of

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<v Speaker 4>the town came trembling to meet him. What's wrong, they asked,

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<v Speaker 4>Do you come in peace? Yes, Samuel reply, I come

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<v Speaker 4>to sacrifice to the Lord. Curify yourselves and come with

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<v Speaker 4>me to the sacrifice. Then Samuel performed the purification rite

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<v Speaker 4>When they arrived, Samuel took one look at Elliott and thought,

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<v Speaker 4>to Samuel, don't judge by his appearance or height, for

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<v Speaker 4>I have rejected him. The Lord doesn't see things the

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<v Speaker 4>way you see them. People judge by outward appearance, but

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<v Speaker 4>the Lord looks at the heart Verse eight. Then Jesse

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<v Speaker 4>front of Samuel, but Samuel said, this is not the

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<v Speaker 4>one the Lord has chosen. Next, Jesse summoned Shemiah, but

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<v Speaker 4>Samuel said, neither is this the one the Lord has chosen.

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<v Speaker 4>In the same way, all seven of Jesse's sons were

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<v Speaker 4>presented to Samuel, but Samuel said to Jesse, the Lord

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<v Speaker 4>has not chosen any of these. Then Samuel asked, are

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<v Speaker 4>these all the sons you have? There is still the youngest.

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<v Speaker 4>Jesse replied, but he's out in the fields watching the

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<v Speaker 4>sheep and the goats. Send for him at once. Samuel said,

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<v Speaker 4>So Jesse sent for him. He was dark and handsome,

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<v Speaker 4>anoined him verse thirteen. So as David stood there among

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<v Speaker 4>his brothers, Samuel took the flask of oil he had

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<v Speaker 4>Then Samuel returned to rama.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, this is such a great passage of scripture, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's first of all, it's rooted in things

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<v Speaker 1>that God is doing behind the scenes. Now, we did

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, Saul destroys the Amlachites, he has military successes, but

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<v Speaker 1>The Lord rejects Saul. They go back and forth, Saul

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<v Speaker 1>obviously comes to the conclusion that, uh, you know, Saul

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<v Speaker 1>this is just like Saul, right, so surely God.

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<v Speaker 1>He replace He replaced the tall guy with the tall

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<v Speaker 1>but God says the famous phrase yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you've in a ministry a long time. How

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<v Speaker 2>many times has this verse been used?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yep, God looks at the heart.

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<v Speaker 4>verse two, but Samuel asks, how can I do that?

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<v Speaker 4>If Saul hears about it, he will kill me. Oftentimes

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<v Speaker 4>we see this in the Bible, where God will ask

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<v Speaker 4>God says that. But I think I'm not God, but

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<v Speaker 4>know what, Nah, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 4>But now that You've revealed everything, I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 4>Say that in your own personal life when you look

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<v Speaker 4>back at the eventual blessing. But what it took to

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<v Speaker 4>at square one, you may have said, well, God, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not going in the ministry.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that God's will is sort of lateral, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and I believe that you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily like you know, I would find another way

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<v Speaker 1>I would do something else right as long as I preached.

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<v Speaker 1>way to barter with God and say, God, I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>Do that, Almost like the prayer Jesus had you know

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<v Speaker 4>if this cup can pass.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, if there's any other way to fulfill your will,

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<v Speaker 1>can it please be that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because ministry has just kicked me around and beat me

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<v Speaker 2>up and spit me out, chewed me up. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>telling you what.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it has been the most brutal, most difficult thing

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. Now it has been rewarding. It has

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<v Speaker 1>been fulfilling. There's blessing. It has been incredibly fulfilling. So

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<v Speaker 1>I know that even my wife probably is listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this saying, Chris, what are you saying?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you saying? Right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying I wouldn't do what I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>God wants me to do. That's not what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that I would go to God and say,

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<v Speaker 1>give me another path to preach your world, give me

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<v Speaker 1>another way to speak to the masses, give me another

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<v Speaker 1>way to proclaim you know, and help people, lead people,

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<v Speaker 3>Like comes with less bumps and bruises.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, That's that's all I'm saying. Yeah, because I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>that I agree with you. Had God said here's what

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<v Speaker 2>And I.

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<v Speaker 4>Think that's helpful for us to remember because there are

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<v Speaker 4>some people I'm gonna call them the checklist people, the

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<v Speaker 4>calendar people. You like everything in alignment. You want to

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<v Speaker 4>going to happen. And if that doesn't happen this way,

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<v Speaker 4>what's the backup plan of that? We want to know

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<v Speaker 4>all the ins and outs, and God is just saying

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<v Speaker 4>do step one.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what? This reminds me of? Ye remember mister Miyagi.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, from the Karate kill For sure, I do.

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<v Speaker 4>The karate kid wanted to know how to karate chop, backflip,

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<v Speaker 4>all that stuff, and mister Miyagi said, you're gonna go

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, wipe on, wipe wax on.

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<v Speaker 4>Ye. Why yeah, that's the only thing I want you

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<v Speaker 4>to focus on. I'm not giving you all the next

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<v Speaker 4>steps right now. I'm giving you this one thing to do,

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<v Speaker 4>and once you have done that, well then we'll move

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<v Speaker 1>Stand the floor, paint the fence, wax on, wax off. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it was. And so, yeah, you asked me,

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<v Speaker 1>do I remember, mister Miagie, I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know who you're talking to? So so, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a uh, it's it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>great thing to understand. Uh, you know, you said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Because the instruction that God.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to run over to the beach, to the

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<v Speaker 2>And then the Israelites or the army is going to

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<v Speaker 2>you're trapped. Okay, ready break, Yeah, God doesn't say.

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<v Speaker 3>Any other word.

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<v Speaker 1>God doesn't say another word, He doesn't say Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm going to give you an escape. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to part the Red Sea. Moses probably thought to himself,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know where the option is here, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because God's plan is to run and trap myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Ready go, break, break any ready?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's it.

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<v Speaker 4>But imagine if God did tell him on the front end,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to part the Red Sea.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be like a wall of water on

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<v Speaker 4>He might have run the opposite direction, right, like, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not running in between that, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, right? Or that's too hard to believe?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like, there's no way that can happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But but Moses at this point had seen all the plagues. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he knew, he knew immediately, right, he was the

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<v Speaker 2>You should have left us alone?

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<v Speaker 1>And then uh, and then Moses, having no idea God's plan,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, just stand back and watch God deliver us.

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<v Speaker 1>So so Moses did have didn't have any idea what

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<v Speaker 1>that God wasn't gonna leave him behind and dry. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>no pun intended, right, But I got to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that is the way that God does everything. He asks

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<v Speaker 1>us to do something not knowing, God says, hey, give generously,

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever it is. God impresses upon us and says,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, give it your times and your resources and

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<v Speaker 1>everything else. But he never says why or what for

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<v Speaker 1>how it's going to be used, right, at least rarely.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then then then there are times where

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<v Speaker 1>quit your job and uh, and and start this other thing,

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<v Speaker 1>this this ministry or this nonprofit or or go to

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<v Speaker 1>Africa whatever it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>God sometimes calls us to extreme things, big things, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and this friendship, in this relationship, and you'd say, but

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<v Speaker 1>I love her, God, Yeah, but you already know that

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<v Speaker 1>she's not good for you or he's not good for you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and but God, he's the last train

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<v Speaker 1>out of Singleville, right, Like I'm not gonna know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be able to leave the single world if

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<v Speaker 1>I break up with this guy, you know. But God

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't give us the plan of who we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>meet down the road. God says, but you, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to end this toxic relationship. So every time

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<v Speaker 1>God gives us a request, it seems like there's a

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It almost reminds me of the movie You.

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<v Speaker 4>Want the Truth, You want the truth, you can't handle

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<v Speaker 4>the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what it reminds me of.

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<v Speaker 4>We tell God that we want the truth and we

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<v Speaker 4>want all the ins and outs, and God to say.

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<v Speaker 3>That, no, you don't.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you don't really want to know what's going

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<v Speaker 4>to happen, because if you did, you'd run the other way.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, that's one of my favorite movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Few Good Men, Right Yeah, Yeah, who's gonna stand on

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<v Speaker 1>that wall, you, Lieutenant Weinberg. Yeah, that's funny, so so

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, So that's part of the that's part of

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<v Speaker 1>the annoying. And then of course, you know, uh, we

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<v Speaker 1>already sort of touched on it, but you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that he says for God looks at other people

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<v Speaker 1>the way that nobody else does. God looks at the

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<v Speaker 1>at the heart, not of the outward appearance.

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<v Speaker 4>And and for our listeners, Chris, really quick, I know

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<v Speaker 4>we're running short on time. What would you say that

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<v Speaker 4>means to you, like someone listening what we're God.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you know what it means to me.

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<v Speaker 1>It means that that God knows the worth and the

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<v Speaker 1>value of somebody's faith and maturity and capability on the inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because somebody is impressive on the outside doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>mean much. You know, a lot of times what we

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<v Speaker 1>do is we compare ourselves to other people. We say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, well, he's gifted or she's gifted. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they have all these talents. Yeah, but you have character,

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<v Speaker 1>you have faithfulness, you have the ability to influence others,

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<v Speaker 1>you have you have the ability to win others over.

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<v Speaker 1>You have all these intangible qualities that God deems as

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<v Speaker 1>so worthy. And just because yeah, you may not be

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<v Speaker 1>as pretty or as handsome, or as talented, or as gifted,

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<v Speaker 1>or as rich or anything on the outside, or as

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<v Speaker 1>tall or as good looking, that doesn't mean anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. God doesn't judge.

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<v Speaker 1>Your worthiness based on the outward things like mankind does, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not the red carpet people that God favors, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the faithful people, you know. And then also I

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<v Speaker 1>would just say it's just another reminder for us that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let me just say it this way. I've

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<v Speaker 1>always said, even to the faithful Christian who on the

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<v Speaker 1>outside seems to be faithful, they have a church attendance.

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<v Speaker 1>They may even be an elder or a deacon, or

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<v Speaker 1>a trustee, or they may be an associator, maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Even a staff member. Right, and on the outside.

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<v Speaker 1>You may say, wow, they get their stuff together. But listen,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the measure of maturity. The measure of mature

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<v Speaker 1>of your faith is what happens when you have friction or.

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<v Speaker 2>Trials or pressure.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, it's like the tea bag that goes

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<v Speaker 1>in the water, right when when when you're in hot water,

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<v Speaker 1>we see what comes out and people say, oh, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's such a good Christian. I don't care what you

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<v Speaker 1>think of him. I don't care if he gives money

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<v Speaker 1>or if he's faithful. If he's a jerk, he's a jerk.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If she's unfaithful, then she's unfaithful. Whatever character, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the measure of a true Christian who's mature is not

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<v Speaker 1>in his his or her actions necessarily al although that

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<v Speaker 1>is in part, but it's truly measured by his or

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<v Speaker 1>her reactions. Right. Think about it, right, what is the

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<v Speaker 1>true measure of the maturity of Christ? Not in the actions,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's actually in the reactions? Right, So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you handle conflict? How do you handle you know, hardships?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's the measure of maturity, right, and that

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<v Speaker 1>comes that comes on the inside, right, not to be seen.

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<v Speaker 2>On the outside.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so uh and I would say, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap up some thoughts here, I would just say, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, another thing that another thing to glean

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<v Speaker 1>from this is isn't it interesting how David was looked

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<v Speaker 1>over by his own family, by everybody, by everybody, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not even considered to be brought in front

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<v Speaker 1>of Samuel.

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<v Speaker 3>It was almost kind of like, is this all your sons?

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<v Speaker 3>Is there anybody else? Well? Yeah, I mean there's the

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<v Speaker 3>one out in the field, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, right, not even worthy of being considered.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know that further, you know, even next you know,

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<v Speaker 1>next podcast or at the end of the week, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna look at David Goliath, right, I don't know when

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<v Speaker 1>that's coming up, but it's coming up soon. And and

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<v Speaker 1>even then we see his brothers treat him as as

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<v Speaker 1>as somebody who's not worthy, right and so and so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't get discouraged because if you feel like everybody

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<v Speaker 1>around you overlooks you, just know that God never does.

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<v Speaker 1>God God sees you. God knows you're worth your value.

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<v Speaker 1>God saw David in the field long before Samuel even

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<v Speaker 1>knew that. God chose David in the field. Right, that'll

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<v Speaker 1>preach right, So, hey, God, God sees you, buddy, So

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<v Speaker 1>no matter who you are or how you feel about yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>God sees you. All right, Well, hey, that's our time,

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<v Speaker 1>so hopefully we will see you next time on the

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<v Speaker 1>bibble guys,