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I'm Travis Bader, and this
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it am joined by a retired RAF officer
who among other things conducted

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combat survival and rescue training.

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After 23 years with the RAF, he retired
and spent 10 years in Western Canada

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as a project manager, supporting
NATO Canadian and Australian defense

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operations in Afghanistan, where he
held CSUs top secret security clearance.

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I'd like to welcome to the
Silvercore Podcast, David

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Hutchinson, or as I know him, Hutch.

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Hi

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Travis.

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I am excited to be
speaking with you today.

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This all happened from a, I guess,
a meeting that a past silver Corp

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outreach coordinator, Nicholas Wong,
who hasn't worked at silver court

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for some time, but it's still always
thinking about myself in the company.

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And he says, Travis,
you got to talk to huts.

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He's got binders of information
that he's been collecting and

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co-leading, and putting together on
his thoughts and ideas on tactics

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and survival and preparedness that.

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Would likely be of interest to
the silver Corp club members.

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So figured we'd sit, spend some time
today talking a little bit about that.

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And, um, if the podcast listeners in
the club members say, yeah, that's

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something I want to hear about then,
uh, we can explore going further

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and looking at what you have.

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Cause you've, you've put everything
together in a way that a British officer

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would in a very well meticulously,
organized and put together fashion, which

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would make an interesting training program
essentially for, for somebody interested

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in, in preparedness and, and survive.

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Right.

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So before we get into that, I
kind of want to know a little bit

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about you and your background.

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So you grew up in the UK and
you always said, Hey, I want

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to, I want to join the RAF.

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Or how did that work?

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No,

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I actually grew up on
a, on a market guard.

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My father was a, um, ran his own
horticultural business and I seen,

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it seemed the obvious choice that I
would as the youngest child, the only

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son would take the business on, but
my father realized my heart wasn't

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in working the land in that way.

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Uh, and he never pushed me
and, uh, I wanted to travel.

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I wanted to see the world.

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So once I'd finished my education, I
decided I was going to join the air force.

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Okay.

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So how old were you when
he joined the air force?

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19.

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So he just jumped right into it.

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Yeah.

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And what.

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You, you did flying with the air force.

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Actually, I

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joined as a technician and realized
that wasn't for me, it was a,

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it was not the way I was wired.

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I was in the, I was a
square peg in a round hole.

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Yeah.

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But I wanted to, uh, I
knew I liked the air force.

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I was enjoying the lifestyle and I, uh,
cross trained to become an aircraft.

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I became an air load master
on heavy lift aircraft.

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So initially on the sea, one 30, the
Herc Herc, then Nikki bird, fat Albert.

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I did that for, for a number of years.

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And then I went into and flew other,
other heavy lift aircraft as well, all

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10, 11 try styles and things like that.

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And so you were also, I think
you were saying you did some

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flying in Canada as well.

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A

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lot.

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So I, I was fortunate.

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One of the big advantages of being
on long range transport aircraft is

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that you get to travel the world.

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The queen pays for you to travel around
the world and see different places.

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And some places I thought I liked
this place and other places I thought

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I never want to come here again,
but they all added to my experience.

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And my knowledge in Canada was somewhere.

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I came to reasonably regularly,
both from east coast, right

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across to the west coast.

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And I first visited.

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Here in BC in 1990 and said,
I'm going to live here one day.

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I knew it was going to happen
off your very first visit.

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The

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first visit was, it was
a combination of things.

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There's actually a guy I'd been
through flying training with, and

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we were sat at Granville island.

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For those of you as people, you know,
it sat there having a beer and he said,

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you're deep in thought, what's going on?

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And I said, I'm going
to live here one day.

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And he said, what are you talking about?

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These is, this was just
another night stop.

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Or we were here for a few days.

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I said, this has got the right
combination of what I want in life.

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It's got an outdoor lifestyle.

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We'd been deceived David Bowie
concert the night before we'd

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been out with some great meals.

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We'd been around Stanley park.

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We'd been up grass mountain.

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I said, this has got a good combination.

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This is a suitable place for me
to come with my, with my family.

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So at that point you just looked at it
and said, Hey, this is what I want to do.

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And you just started what?

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Putting.

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Putting things in motion from there,
it just kind of sat in the back of your

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head is saying, well, it started as
a, as it's just an idea, but that

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was 12 years before I actually came.

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And I really ramped the F the
efforts up back in sort of 98, 99.

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Yeah.

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That's when I really started attending
fairs and doing lots of research.

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And where was I going to be?

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What was I going to be doing?

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What w what were my transferable skills?

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Right.

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Okay.

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So you, I mean, like you, you could
have stayed longer than the 23 years.

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Yeah.

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Um, I, I, my, my, uh, my bosses,
and even like colleagues as to like,

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you're crazy, why are you leaving
you in a very good well-paid job?

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And you you've got regression.

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You can, can keep going
up through the ranks.

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And, uh, but I, now, I, I decided
I wanted to live in Canada.

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You got

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to follow your heart.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, you've got one life to live.

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And when you look back, I don't think
you want to look back and say, man, I

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should've, or I could've, or if only.

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You really got to just jump on those
opportunities when you see them.

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Yeah.

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So I, and I was fortunate that I
had a very supportive wife, I should

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say my late wife, she passed away
back in 2009 from cancer, but she

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and my two daughters were, yeah.

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Okay.

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Let's go and do it.

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They came and visited on
a couple of vacations and

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thought, wow, this'll be fun.

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And, uh, yeah.

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Um,

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w what a world of a difference it
makes when you've got a support

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network around you that can help
you see those goals forward.

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It was, it was also, it was also
challenging because in many ways I

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was leaving my support network that
existed in the UK, but my direct

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support network, my family unit, we
were all in support of what we did.

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Right.

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So did you have many acquaintances or
friends or family or anyone in Canada

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or was this just jump in and go?

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I

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had on second cousin in, over
on the island, but I, I went

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to Alberto initially six years.

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I knew other people in Ontario, I had
knew a few people and acquaintances and

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some ex-military guys as well that I knew.

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So I had a couple, but nothing
that was near to where I was

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going to be, where I ended up, but

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I came.

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So when, when you take a look at
the, uh, the survival training within

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the, um, uh, ref there, what, what
sort of scope do that look like?

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What did, what did you do with that?

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Well, it's a prerequisite.

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I was, I held a position as a train, the
trainer, the training officer Cranwell for

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air crew training, M and air crew training
for a number of years at the Royal

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air force college, that RAF Cranwell.

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And in that job, We, uh, we're required.

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We train all the air crew in survival.

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They have certain check boxes.

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They have to do the military.

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You're continually chasing,
keeping qualified and doing things.

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That's the way it works, whatever
your skill sets are, you need

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to do, but they have basic
training, basic survival training.

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And then there's further advanced
courses that you can do, whether

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it goes into desert survival or
winter survival or jungle survival.

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And I did the combat survival
rescue officers course, some of

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your listeners will be aware of.

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So what, what would that entail?

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Uh, was a couple of weeks that, uh, when I
was at, I did it, it's the latter, when I

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did the combat survival course was in, uh,
it was done at RFC Morgan, which is where

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the school of combat survival is now.

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Um, it had moved there relatively recently
and I'd done previous training down on.

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Down on the south coast of
other parts of the south coast.

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Um, and we did, uh, we did
quite a bit of classroom stuff.

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And then you do practical stuff, which
you actually taken out to dark mourn.

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What you're, what you're standing
up in is what you've got.

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And maybe a little, like a little tobacco
tin that was your, your carry pack.

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That's what you got.

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And then you did that for a
number of days of survival.

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And then it inevitably ended, uh, towards
the middle half of the second week, you

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ended up with, uh, a period of resistance
to, uh, RQI resistance to interrogation

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training, uh, which is obviously not
something that we, that was discussed.

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Why the end of something I wouldn't
want to talk about, but I understand

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to understand what if you were at risk
of capture, what, what could you expect

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and how could you best prepare yourself?

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That's a huge psychological
aspect of that as well.

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I think that, uh, having the, the mental
fortitude to withstand that, as well as

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the, uh, the Headspace, just to be in a
survival mindset, I think is probably,

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would I shouldn't presuppose, would
that, would that be the biggest outcome

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that you're trying to instill in people,
aside from just physical skills, but

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building them that mindset of survival?

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Yeah.

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The mindset, it comes from deep within
a person, and it's very difficult to

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quantify, but there are, they, they
come up with all these statistics of who

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survives in a situation and who doesn't.

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And there are people that have exceeded
expectations incredibly, and it's just

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through the strength of their, their
will and their mind to overcome it,

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that they will come out of this for
whatever is, it could be faith based.

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It could be a family based, it could be.

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Based on so many different things,
but it's something and it's

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something that I explained to people.

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It overrides everything.

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You can learn all these skills.

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You can have lots of equipment, you
can prepare lots of different things,

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but you have to think about the mental
resilience to be able to cope with what

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life throws at you and in a survival
situation, you are dumped into it.

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No kidding.

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Yeah.

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That's I think we were talking before
about a, and I'm not, I don't recall if

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this was a study, I read it as a child
and I used to read a lot of popular

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mechanics and a lot of the magazines,
everything I had seemed to be from the

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forties, fifties, sixties, I didn't
really have too much current literature,

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but, um, one of them was talking about
the survival rate of, uh, soldiers.

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And I think the situation was that
they were lost at sea and they found

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that they had some young soldiers of
young bucks out there that were healthy

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and fit and well fed and strong.

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And they had some older
soldiers out there as well.

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And they figured, well, you know,
the young ones are going to do well.

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The old ones will probably die off,
but they found the inverse to be true.

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And they found that the younger
ones were dying at a higher rate.

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And I think they just use the example
of this one loss at sea thing.

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Uh, And the older ones were
persevering because these are people

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who've been through world war one.

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And this was a world war II
study that they're doing.

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These are people who've been there
and done that and have an idea of

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what hardship looks like and realize I
can overcome this in essence, I think

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it was their mental mindset that was
allowing them to persevere where, um,

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those who didn't have that background.

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We're flailing.

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So like I said, I'm just going back on,
on memory and recollecting that one.

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I don't know if it was a story or
as an observation hypothesis or an

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actual study, but I remember reading
it as if it was more of a study.

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Um, ha is that something that you have
seen or found within the survival training

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and there's lots of records
of people who have survived

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and they seem to be anomalies.

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How did this individual or these two
people, how did they survive when they.

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They had the same circumstances put
in front of them as others who died.

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And, uh, uh, not that there's a
come to there to the conditions or

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to the weather or whatever else.

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Right.

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And it's, it's such a tough thing to do.

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And really, you don't know
that you can do it until you've

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been put in that situation.

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And I mean, for real, I've
never had to survive for real.

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I've had to do it as
close as I want the come.

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And, uh, that's part of the thing that
they stress when you go through the

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training is that you'll, you'll probably
come closer than you've ever been to

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dying in over this period of time, but
you're working in pairs at that time.

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And, and to keep an eye on each other
to, to, you know, if things get really

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bad at this is a training exercise,
but, um, interestingly, ideally.

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I did a winter survival course in
Bavaria and it was minus 20 and that

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was out there for a couple of weeks.

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And then just a couple of months later,
I was doing my full combat survival

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course and it was on dark morning.

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It was only minus two.

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And I was overconfident because it
wasn't as cold as it had been in Bavaria.

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But dark mode is a
challenging environment.

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It is wet and I went hypothermic there.

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And, uh, yeah, that was, that was tough.

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The brain starts shutting down.

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You can't think clearly, but the
colleague I was with, um, it was a fast

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jet pilot and he, he recognizes me.

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I think I said something
to him and realized I was

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deteriorating and he's ends.

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We need to do something.

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So we did.

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And, uh, fortunately it was all okay.

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Yeah, I've, I've never, you know, I've,
I've been in situations where I've had

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to push myself and in situations where
if I didn't push myself through it, then

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death would have been the logical outcome.

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Uh, but I, I can't say I've ever been in
like a truly sort of survival situation.

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Like I can recall.

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I think it was 16 years old and
at my wood panel station wagon.

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And I mean, that thing was what was it?

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A 1978 Pontiac, like
wood panel station wagon.

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And I used to pull it out onto a
number 10 highway, which is people

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familiar with the lower mainland
would know what I'm talking about.

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And if I didn't let the thing warm up
for, let's say 10 minutes as I pulled

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out, the thing would just stall and
I'd have to coast and try and get

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the thing going and hope the cars go
around me and, you know, Typically

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did, but it was not a reliable vehicle.

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And somehow I was able to convince a
couple of friends of mine at the time to

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go up, uh, past Kamloops, to an area where
my family had a, uh, a cabin up there.

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And, uh, I, in my heart of hearts
didn't think that I figured the

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vehicle would probably make it up
there, but I didn't think it would

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start up again and come back down.

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Right.

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And this is in the middle of winter is
just after Christmas and, and, uh, never

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used snow shoes before at that time.

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But the guy at the local, I think
they call it mountain magic.

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You guys stayed up late on Christmas
Eve to, uh, so I could get off working,

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borrow some snowshoes anyways, totally
under-prepared and get up there.

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And this wood panel, station wagon, uh,
leave sleeping bag and everything else

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inside the vehicle, just in case, you
know, we needed it to be back there.

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We had.

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In hindsight, it would have done
us more good if I had that with me,

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because, and then we had to go, I
think it was just about 21 K hiking.

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Most of it on a old logging
road that wasn't plowed.

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And, um, and then some bushwhacking.

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And at that time, a, uh, a friend
had provided, uh, satellite

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photos and this was like,
state-of-the-art satellite photos.

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I was like, ah, this'll be great.

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Cause he, he got it
from a logging company.

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I had no idea how to
look at these sat photos.

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I'd used a map and compass of
the past, but I've tried to just

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dead racking off the things.

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Anyways, what I, what I didn't realize
was as we walk in on this old logging,

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Which wasn't plowed the main road.

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It looks just like all the other
side roads when it's snowed on.

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Cause they're just as wide and he can't
see which one look, the long story short,

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we ended up getting lost and we spent a
long time out there in the, in the cold.

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And, uh, I remember, uh, at one point
we've got all of our heavy equipment.

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I got my knives and the course,
he got to have some alcohol in the

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back and all the necessities when
you're 16 years old going out.

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Right.

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And, um, the sun was out and it was
minus, I think it was minus five or

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so, but when you're, you're going hard
and the sun's out, I mean, I just had

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a t-shirt on for, uh, for a lot of it.

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And then I remember at one point when,
uh, I figured I'll take a shortcut.

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I think I know where this area is.

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And it's, it's typically a, a
fly-in or hiking cabin, any.

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And I started walking down this steep
embankment and this whole bunch of

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deadfall and kept falling in it.

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And it was a cold, of
course I'm covered in snow.

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When I remember when I came back
up, uh, the sun was going down, but

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for me it was getting really dark.

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For some reason.

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I was like, it feels like it's
getting darker than it should.

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And I didn't realize that I'd
stopped shivering a long time ago.

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And my body was basically
shutting down and, and, uh,

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felt like it was gonna pass out.

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And I, uh, told the two
people who I was with.

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I said, look it, if I.

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Pass out and I'm going to come back up.

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The keys are in the top of my pack.

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I'm pretty sure.

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And I point over, if we just go
that way down this and bank bang

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and go through, you're going to
hit a lake and then you can find

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the cabin and we'll get over there.

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Well, I started, of course I bundled
up and wrapped up and got a few

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layers on me, uh, and just kept
myself moving a little bit, extra

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warmth, totally changes the mindset.

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Um, muscles are all very
fatigued at that point.

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Everything's seizing up
in the, uh, hip flexors.

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I got to a point where
I felt okay, I'm good.

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I'm not going to pass.

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So my two friends, I'm like,
okay, scale of one to 10.

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How do you feel.

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And, uh, I said 10 top of the world
and one year on the brink of death.

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Right.

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I said right now, I think
I'm a six I've I've.

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I've got my energy.

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I think I'm good.

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I got some fluids and food into me.

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I'm starting to warm up a bit.

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One friend says, oh four, the
other one says one, like all great.

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Anyways, we ended up getting
in, took us about half an hour

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to walk this one distance.

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When we finally found the
lake, what should've taken us?

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Oh, no, it actually took us 45 minutes.

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It took us 45 minutes of walk this
distance, which should have taken us.

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I don't know, 10 max.

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And, uh, I remember my hands
weren't working and I'm trying

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to get the, uh, uh, the door open
and the keys weren't working.

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Like everything was just like ice Fe.

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You got this idea.

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You get in the cabin.

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Everything's going to be okay.

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But it's the same
temperature as it is outside.

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We're able to get a fire going
thankfully, and in no time at all,

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you know, warming up and the world
is good, but it went from a situation

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which could have been pretty bad.

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All of our survival gear really to
keep us warm was left in the vehicle.

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And it was a good life experience,
but it also, it tends to build

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a, um, I guess, a mental mindset
of what you actually can Inder.

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And, um, uh, one friend got, uh,
we we're all somewhat hypothermic

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and one friend got frostbite.

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And, um, but it, it also gives
you some checks and balances from

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that ego that says, I'll be fine.

00:20:04.500 --> 00:20:09.990
I got this black and white photocopy of
a satellite photo and it's only 21 K.

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Um, and that's something that I keep
in the back of my head when I, when I

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plan different, uh, Outings or when I
think about, uh, different situations

00:20:21.585 --> 00:20:27.285
is, is the whole, what F what do I have
with me that I could use, but as well,

00:20:27.675 --> 00:20:33.555
uh, the thought process in planning
anything now, whether it's just going

00:20:33.555 --> 00:20:37.605
out on an expedition or just going
out in the wild, or even just going to

00:20:37.605 --> 00:20:43.245
the store, I will tend to go through
a mental process of, um, of planning.

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Is that something that you find
you do or that you find, uh,

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That you would train others to

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do.

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I think it's something I do.

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I think, I think it's something that's
drilled into you, particularly in

00:20:55.860 --> 00:21:00.330
the military, you know, um, prepare
for the worst, but over the best.

00:21:00.389 --> 00:21:04.620
Um, but it's always, if this
occurs or actions on, if this

00:21:04.620 --> 00:21:06.149
occurs, what am I going to do?

00:21:06.149 --> 00:21:10.050
So if you've thought about it beforehand,
you can have the right equipment with you.

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You've already thought through
what your options would be.

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If I'm at this stage of, uh, talking about
a Trek or something, or a hike across

00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:20.610
over a considerable distance, if this
happens, where's my, where's my getter.

00:21:20.629 --> 00:21:21.450
How am I going to get out?

00:21:21.810 --> 00:21:24.270
Where's the best place for me to be many.

00:21:24.270 --> 00:21:25.470
It always happens at the worst place.

00:21:25.649 --> 00:21:28.170
Where's the worst place on this
journey where it could happen.

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Our man, them mid midway
between two points.

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That way I've got to go through
a river and this way I'm going

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back up up a huge mountain.

00:21:35.159 --> 00:21:39.120
And it's one of my options is going
to be and who have I got with us?

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And you've always then got to
reassess what equipment you've

00:21:42.149 --> 00:21:44.940
got and what resources you've
got as far as people with you.

00:21:46.110 --> 00:21:47.370
You shouldn't be on your own, but.

00:21:49.080 --> 00:21:51.600
Team some might be more always
somebody is going to be more

00:21:51.600 --> 00:21:53.610
capable than others, right.

00:21:54.120 --> 00:21:57.510
So it's obviously, it's always trying to
prepare for the worst and just, if you

00:21:57.510 --> 00:21:59.610
don't use it, it's not, it's not an issue.

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Um,

00:22:00.690 --> 00:22:04.800
you know, one thing that I see, so
Ian Jones, he's with the Canadian

00:22:04.800 --> 00:22:08.040
prepper podcast, he's been on a silver
Corp podcast in the past, and he

00:22:08.040 --> 00:22:11.370
had a whole bunch of great thoughts
and ideas, and he shared a lot of,

00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:12.930
a lot of really good information.

00:22:12.930 --> 00:22:15.630
So if the listeners are interested
in listening to that episode,

00:22:15.630 --> 00:22:16.890
they can go back and check it out.

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I don't off the top of my head,
recall the episode number, but,

00:22:20.130 --> 00:22:24.150
you know, silver for podcast in
Jones, Canadian prepper podcast.

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And in some of the things
that we spoke about was like

00:22:29.340 --> 00:22:31.200
different types of kit in gear.

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And I think most people when they
first get into, um, and we also

00:22:35.310 --> 00:22:38.850
talked about mindset, but most
people, when they first get into the

00:22:38.850 --> 00:22:42.210
idea of being prepared or survival.

00:22:43.485 --> 00:22:48.135
I think they're looking for shortcuts
or the something that they can

00:22:48.135 --> 00:22:50.535
purchase that will give them comfort.

00:22:50.595 --> 00:22:51.945
Well, now I've got my Gerber.

00:22:51.945 --> 00:22:54.014
Multiplayers I'm prepared
for anything, right.

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Or, or whatever it might be.

00:22:55.905 --> 00:23:00.525
But I, I find that a lot in, in people
that I speak with, they said, well,

00:23:00.645 --> 00:23:05.865
I've got my emergency blanket or I've
got ABCD and I've been guilty of that

00:23:05.865 --> 00:23:08.985
in the past to thinking, okay, I need
all these different things only to find

00:23:09.014 --> 00:23:13.815
that the amount of kit that you end up
taking with you starts slowing you down

00:23:13.845 --> 00:23:18.135
to a point where you're now in a survival
situation, based on the fact that you

00:23:18.135 --> 00:23:20.325
couldn't go fast and go light and go hard.

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Um, I don't know.

00:23:22.395 --> 00:23:23.235
Do you have thoughts on

00:23:23.235 --> 00:23:23.534
that?

00:23:23.685 --> 00:23:23.985
Yeah.

00:23:24.794 --> 00:23:28.784
I think an analogy I would use it's a
bit like it's like cooking, you know,

00:23:28.784 --> 00:23:32.024
there's lots of people can cook, but
there's only a few people that are

00:23:32.024 --> 00:23:33.495
good enough to be Michelin chefs.

00:23:33.495 --> 00:23:37.004
You know, they can produce the
most excellent meals to incredibly

00:23:37.004 --> 00:23:38.355
high standards consistently.

00:23:38.895 --> 00:23:41.835
And I think somebody who's
never cooked before says, well,

00:23:41.895 --> 00:23:43.335
that's what I would like to do.

00:23:43.695 --> 00:23:46.995
Well, I can give you the best kitchen with
the best knives and all the best equipment

00:23:46.995 --> 00:23:48.524
and all the best fruits and vegetables.

00:23:49.064 --> 00:23:50.655
And now I'll put you
against a Michelin chef.

00:23:50.655 --> 00:23:54.074
I'll give you some crappy
old equipment raid.

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Who's going to turn the best meal out.

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Oh, absolutely.

00:23:57.345 --> 00:24:00.554
So there's not a shortcut to it, but
there's lots of things you can do it.

00:24:00.554 --> 00:24:02.115
It doesn't hurt to have good equipment.

00:24:02.115 --> 00:24:02.865
Don't get me wrong.

00:24:02.895 --> 00:24:07.155
And you'll find that I think everybody
who's ever been in survival situations and

00:24:07.155 --> 00:24:11.385
training and particularly military people,
they know that it's good to have a quick.

00:24:11.965 --> 00:24:16.735
You can rely on and they've invariably own
their own equipment issue stuff, but you

00:24:16.735 --> 00:24:20.095
choose not to wear the boots you issue,
or you choose not to carry that knife.

00:24:20.095 --> 00:24:22.315
You choose not to use that compass.

00:24:22.315 --> 00:24:26.875
You use something that you really
have got a, um, an affinity with.

00:24:26.885 --> 00:24:29.635
It does what you need it to do rave.

00:24:29.905 --> 00:24:31.615
So it's not just equipment.

00:24:31.775 --> 00:24:33.175
It's a combination of things.

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That's what I like to focus on and
giving people the confidence to

00:24:35.935 --> 00:24:40.105
know that you can learn things you
can learn and you can experience

00:24:40.105 --> 00:24:42.265
things and improve your chances.

00:24:43.015 --> 00:24:43.225
Yeah.

00:24:43.285 --> 00:24:44.275
I'm always surprised.

00:24:44.275 --> 00:24:49.105
I'm always surprised that people who, I
know people who are afraid to go into the.

00:24:49.950 --> 00:24:54.420
Just so here in the lower mainland,
because of what may look below, right.

00:24:54.420 --> 00:24:59.340
Sharks or, uh, CNN enemies
or, or whatever, right.

00:24:59.340 --> 00:25:03.600
And there's this, uh, fear of the
unknown, or they're afraid to go to

00:25:03.600 --> 00:25:08.450
the Bush because the, in their head
there's bears everywhere in America.

00:25:09.330 --> 00:25:14.880
But the, the knowledge, I guess, of
actually starting to push yourself

00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:19.380
out into these different situations
will cause you to learn and cause

00:25:19.380 --> 00:25:22.410
you to realize what the real threats
are and what they aren't like.

00:25:23.260 --> 00:25:26.250
You're the threat of you
slipping and falling on.

00:25:26.250 --> 00:25:30.960
Let's say the gross grind is far greater
than ever encountering a bearer Cougar.

00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:31.230
Right?

00:25:31.260 --> 00:25:35.190
Um, um, the threat of getting
lost in perhaps he needed to

00:25:35.190 --> 00:25:36.540
spend a night over someplace.

00:25:37.560 --> 00:25:39.720
And knowing how to keep
yourself warm through the night.

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And, uh, having that level of
knowledge, I think breeds a, a,

00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:46.890
a lot of comfort and security and

00:25:46.890 --> 00:25:47.250
conflict.

00:25:47.730 --> 00:25:49.640
Uh, confidence is the word
I was going to use it.

00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:54.450
You give somebody the confidence, you push
them to what they think are their limits.

00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.570
And that's the way very much of the
training that that's done by the military.

00:25:57.570 --> 00:26:00.450
They push you then beyond your
limits, you get to a point where

00:26:00.450 --> 00:26:01.740
you think I can't do any more.

00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:02.850
I can't go any further.

00:26:02.850 --> 00:26:07.320
I've been, you know, I'm, I'm at the
end of my rope, but the reality is

00:26:07.470 --> 00:26:10.620
we've all got extra stuff in there,
but then they push you beyond that

00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:12.690
so that you find you're doing more.

00:26:12.750 --> 00:26:16.830
And then when you reflect on it
afterwards, you have huge confidence.

00:26:16.830 --> 00:26:21.600
You change personalities change
within, through food, through training,

00:26:22.050 --> 00:26:23.970
significantly pepper families.

00:26:23.970 --> 00:26:26.940
Don't recognize their own,
their own family member.

00:26:26.970 --> 00:26:30.870
At the end of 2, 3, 4, 6 months,
they say, well, how did you do this?

00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:32.610
They completely changed.

00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:33.240
Right?

00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:35.220
So if somebody's.

00:26:36.165 --> 00:26:41.834
Yeah, I guess let's say, just start
out a urban city dweller and they

00:26:41.834 --> 00:26:44.324
want to be a little bit more prepared.

00:26:44.324 --> 00:26:49.665
And I, I think there's a, a folly that a
lot of people will fall into when they're

00:26:49.665 --> 00:26:53.865
looking at being prepared, they want to
be prepared for everything and they want

00:26:53.865 --> 00:26:58.455
to, what if there's the earthquake or
the tsunami or, or a big power outage

00:26:58.455 --> 00:27:05.115
or in the end, they make this huge, all
encompassing, um, preparedness plan.

00:27:05.685 --> 00:27:07.095
And then they get this idea.

00:27:07.125 --> 00:27:12.254
I know I'm going to have a whole bunch
of food and, uh, started stockpiling it.

00:27:12.254 --> 00:27:12.945
So I'm good.

00:27:12.945 --> 00:27:16.274
And I'm, I'm going to have all
these different tools and equipment.

00:27:16.274 --> 00:27:22.965
And, um, I, one of the ones that was, uh,
was interesting that, uh, that you had

00:27:22.965 --> 00:27:27.885
brought up in our past conversation was,
oh, I'm gonna use some bleach to sanitize

00:27:27.885 --> 00:27:29.715
water because I might not have heavy.

00:27:30.524 --> 00:27:32.055
I sanitary supply.

00:27:32.085 --> 00:27:35.355
And what I didn't realize was it,
you said bleach has a shelf life.

00:27:35.565 --> 00:27:35.774
Yeah.

00:27:36.254 --> 00:27:36.675
Six

00:27:36.675 --> 00:27:36.975
months.

00:27:37.635 --> 00:27:38.625
Six to 12 months.

00:27:38.625 --> 00:27:38.925
Yeah.

00:27:38.955 --> 00:27:43.305
It effect the efficacy of it drops
significantly after a year, but, uh, yeah.

00:27:43.545 --> 00:27:48.435
So you need to have a long-term supply
of bleach, not think, oh, I've got

00:27:48.585 --> 00:27:52.185
20 bottles of it stored away in the
garage or somewhere that's going to be

00:27:52.185 --> 00:27:53.745
that's me good for the next 10 years.

00:27:53.925 --> 00:27:54.095
Right.

00:27:54.095 --> 00:27:54.284
There's a

00:27:54.295 --> 00:27:54.825
work like that.

00:27:55.125 --> 00:27:55.514
Great.

00:27:55.875 --> 00:27:59.504
Well, where, where would you
start have if you were looking

00:27:59.504 --> 00:28:00.555
to be a bit more prepared?

00:28:00.764 --> 00:28:01.185
Okay.

00:28:01.185 --> 00:28:06.405
So I think what I was going to say, gee,
we, you don't know what's coming, but

00:28:06.405 --> 00:28:07.845
I think we, I think we could all agree.

00:28:07.845 --> 00:28:09.615
We're living in a pretty
weird world at the moment.

00:28:09.615 --> 00:28:12.405
If you told everybody two years
ago, we'd be going through

00:28:12.405 --> 00:28:13.425
what we're going through now.

00:28:14.325 --> 00:28:15.885
You would've said no, that won't happen.

00:28:15.915 --> 00:28:17.235
There are things going on now.

00:28:17.565 --> 00:28:19.335
I never thought I'd see in my lifetime.

00:28:19.515 --> 00:28:19.965
I know you

00:28:19.965 --> 00:28:22.215
told me one thing that was
read before we went on air.

00:28:22.215 --> 00:28:23.325
That kind of surprised me.

00:28:23.325 --> 00:28:23.565
But,

00:28:24.705 --> 00:28:29.685
um, but I think if you have concerns
about things like natural disasters

00:28:29.685 --> 00:28:34.365
or, uh, the instant, the stability or
instability, potentially of society,

00:28:34.365 --> 00:28:38.865
where things that people have been
divided, uh, we've got financial issues.

00:28:38.865 --> 00:28:42.315
People got jobs, security
issues, inflation, supply issues.

00:28:42.315 --> 00:28:43.845
All of these things are potentially.

00:28:44.955 --> 00:28:46.125
Problems for the future.

00:28:46.125 --> 00:28:50.835
So what I said, I think I mentioned
to you before, if you've got no

00:28:50.835 --> 00:28:53.565
concerns about any of this and
you think, oh, everything's the

00:28:53.565 --> 00:28:55.695
sun's going to go up tomorrow and
everything's going to be good.

00:28:55.725 --> 00:28:58.215
Then this is probably
not a podcast for you.

00:28:58.425 --> 00:28:58.635
Right.

00:28:58.655 --> 00:29:02.955
But if you're the person who's got
band-aids at home or some sort of

00:29:02.955 --> 00:29:07.035
headache medication, or whether it's an
Advil or something like that, Tylenol,

00:29:07.035 --> 00:29:08.415
if you've got that wide, you got it.

00:29:08.415 --> 00:29:08.925
You've got it.

00:29:08.925 --> 00:29:11.085
Because you're thinking ahead,
you're thinking, what if this

00:29:11.085 --> 00:29:13.215
occurs, take me to the bandaid.

00:29:13.215 --> 00:29:16.095
You know, nobody prepares to cut
themselves, but if you do you

00:29:16.095 --> 00:29:17.205
know that you need something.

00:29:17.205 --> 00:29:22.485
So I think it's, um, the whole scenario
of people talk, call it different

00:29:22.485 --> 00:29:23.985
things, call it what you want to call it.

00:29:23.985 --> 00:29:24.675
Where are you going to call it?

00:29:24.675 --> 00:29:28.995
Preparing or prepping or being
off-grid or homesteading, whatever it

00:29:28.995 --> 00:29:32.475
is, give it your own title, but just
know that's what you're looking at.

00:29:32.475 --> 00:29:34.215
And then give yourself as much.

00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:39.690
As much chances you can give you
some cover as many bases as you can.

00:29:39.690 --> 00:29:41.010
This is a huge subject.

00:29:41.010 --> 00:29:44.640
And there were some great experts
out there, uh, in particularly

00:29:44.760 --> 00:29:48.600
particular areas that are so, so good
at this and lean on those people.

00:29:48.630 --> 00:29:50.400
I mean, people are used
to using the internet.

00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:50.640
Now.

00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:53.170
There is some bad advice out
there as well, but you just go

00:29:53.170 --> 00:29:54.240
over the ones that you trust.

00:29:54.630 --> 00:29:59.160
Um, but I think just to have an overview,
what are the big hitting things?

00:29:59.340 --> 00:30:01.260
What, what do you need
to think about that?

00:30:01.290 --> 00:30:02.490
That's what I would focus on.

00:30:04.050 --> 00:30:07.410
I would always say the best time to
start is right now, wherever you are

00:30:07.410 --> 00:30:10.500
on this start now just start thinking
about it and give a little bit of

00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:14.190
mental energy towards what could happen.

00:30:14.190 --> 00:30:18.240
But what do I need to do to prepare
myself and to give myself the best chance

00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.800
of survival, everyone, but everyone
has got a different starting point.

00:30:22.830 --> 00:30:27.210
And I'm sure that the people will
be aware that this is, this varies

00:30:27.210 --> 00:30:28.380
according to number of things.

00:30:28.650 --> 00:30:30.060
And I'll just give you just some of them.

00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.900
First one, your age, how old
are you a lot, Jen, to be a lot

00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:39.180
more capable physically at 25
to 35 than you are 65 to 75.

00:30:39.180 --> 00:30:40.470
You're just not as good and fit.

00:30:41.190 --> 00:30:45.360
Everybody has different experiences
in life and hobbies and knowledge

00:30:45.360 --> 00:30:49.740
that things that they've acquired
over the years, um, Also the number

00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:50.909
of people you've got to think about.

00:30:50.909 --> 00:30:53.399
Are you just thinking about yourself
or are you thinking about that?

00:30:53.399 --> 00:30:56.149
You've got a partner, you've got
children and you've got a sick, a

00:30:56.149 --> 00:30:59.909
senior citizen or two or neighbors,
or who are you going to try?

00:30:59.909 --> 00:31:03.389
And are you just going to ignore them and
say, no, I'm just, this is all about me.

00:31:03.929 --> 00:31:04.950
I don't think that's the best thing.

00:31:05.159 --> 00:31:08.850
There are also, people have medical,
medical limitations, medical

00:31:08.850 --> 00:31:10.620
limitations is a significant one.

00:31:11.070 --> 00:31:13.800
Uh, some people have some
things where they need.

00:31:14.550 --> 00:31:19.980
Maintain medications in, in a
core course situation, but then

00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:21.270
frigerator and things like that.

00:31:21.659 --> 00:31:26.370
Um, there's a big difference
between your, your, your physical

00:31:26.370 --> 00:31:29.879
location are you there's benefits,
but there's also limitations.

00:31:29.879 --> 00:31:33.810
Do you live in a, a desert or
semi-arid or tropical location,

00:31:33.840 --> 00:31:35.820
or are you located in the world?

00:31:35.820 --> 00:31:40.500
So be aware of your surroundings and
what are the strengths of being there,

00:31:40.500 --> 00:31:41.760
but also what are the challenges?

00:31:41.850 --> 00:31:44.370
Are there are strengths and
challenges in both, right?

00:31:44.669 --> 00:31:49.649
So I think once you look at all of those,
I then say to people make us start create

00:31:49.649 --> 00:31:54.240
your own personal review of what, you
know, you obviously don't know what

00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:58.649
you don't know, but if there's areas
you think if we mentioned something,

00:31:58.649 --> 00:31:59.940
you think, oh, I should look at that.

00:31:59.940 --> 00:32:03.629
This is something I should look at, but
then try and keep some sort of priority.

00:32:05.040 --> 00:32:09.120
In a combat survival situation,
they teach protection, location,

00:32:09.120 --> 00:32:11.040
water, and food in that order.

00:32:11.670 --> 00:32:13.440
And those are big encompassing things.

00:32:13.800 --> 00:32:18.480
The location is I was arguing less of an
issue that's location, where you're trying

00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.630
to be rescued when you want somebody to
find you, but certainly the protection,

00:32:21.630 --> 00:32:24.660
water and food in that order is important.

00:32:24.840 --> 00:32:30.870
So I would ask people to think about
those, your protection covers 1,001

00:32:30.870 --> 00:32:34.920
things I could just give you some,
but just give you some right now, your

00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.970
shelter, where are you actually going to
be protected from the elements, right?

00:32:39.060 --> 00:32:42.660
And that varies according to where
you are in the world, the clothing you

00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:47.400
have dressing appropriately and being
able to dress up and dress down and

00:32:47.700 --> 00:32:51.180
understand the importance of layers and
how, when you're exercising, you're,

00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:56.250
you're sweating more on, um, whether you
need to keep a say, keep yourself warm.

00:32:56.250 --> 00:32:57.240
Cause you're in a more challenge.

00:32:58.544 --> 00:33:01.574
Uh, environment, as far as the cold
weather and the winter months are

00:33:01.574 --> 00:33:05.625
concerned, or also calling if you're in
a place like a desert where you're, uh,

00:33:05.745 --> 00:33:08.835
we're at six sectional heat, you've got
to get out of the sun, join the mid day.

00:33:08.835 --> 00:33:10.004
You do not want to be in the sun.

00:33:11.085 --> 00:33:14.685
Uh, things like this is also still
under the protection umbrella.

00:33:14.715 --> 00:33:18.975
First aid first day is really important
because you can't just pick up the

00:33:18.975 --> 00:33:21.524
phone and dial nine one one, depending
where you are, you know, there's some

00:33:21.524 --> 00:33:25.304
you in the back country, you've got
to do stuff to get somebody to aid.

00:33:25.335 --> 00:33:28.754
Hopefully you're not, you know, it's
not, you're not devoid of all support,

00:33:28.754 --> 00:33:32.564
but you can't guarantee the cavalry
coming over the hill to help you.

00:33:32.564 --> 00:33:33.975
So that's important.

00:33:34.425 --> 00:33:37.814
I would also argue, um, and this is
a particularly good for silver called

00:33:37.935 --> 00:33:41.955
armament and protection protecting you
from what, if you're in an environment

00:33:41.955 --> 00:33:45.195
where you've got animals that are trying
to get in and see what food you've got.

00:33:45.195 --> 00:33:47.235
You're going to have to protect
yourself on what you've got.

00:33:47.294 --> 00:33:47.595
Right?

00:33:48.225 --> 00:33:55.754
Um, Finances, um, in the situation people
think, well, if this, if there's a big

00:33:55.754 --> 00:33:59.564
collapse of things and there's no power
and there's no fuel or anything, well,

00:33:59.564 --> 00:34:03.495
I just go down to the bank and draw some
money out and go to the supermarket.

00:34:03.554 --> 00:34:03.885
Yeah.

00:34:03.885 --> 00:34:07.185
That's, that's, that's a nice idea,
but that's not the reality of it.

00:34:08.550 --> 00:34:12.690
Think about how you protect
yourself with finances.

00:34:12.690 --> 00:34:16.650
Do you have some cash on hand, as long
as cash is still useful, but are you then

00:34:16.650 --> 00:34:19.710
handing somebody a, you know, a $20 bill?

00:34:19.710 --> 00:34:22.020
And he says, that's useless to
me because I can't spend it.

00:34:22.650 --> 00:34:23.790
Do you have another option?

00:34:23.790 --> 00:34:24.540
Do you have something?

00:34:24.990 --> 00:34:28.530
One of the things, people focus on
things like precious metals, um, uh,

00:34:28.740 --> 00:34:32.160
and then it comes down to understanding
which are the better ones to have and

00:34:32.430 --> 00:34:34.050
how you store it, where you keep it.

00:34:34.050 --> 00:34:38.790
But is that something you could use in
the future to, to purchase or to barter?

00:34:39.630 --> 00:34:42.510
And there's lots of bartering will
go on in the survival situations.

00:34:42.510 --> 00:34:48.090
If it hits more of a so that, um,
people can swap skills and equipment

00:34:48.120 --> 00:34:51.540
and things between them and say,
well, I'll let you have this.

00:34:51.540 --> 00:34:52.830
If you can let me have that.

00:34:53.640 --> 00:34:57.000
And I can see that we'll become a,
we become a big, big, big thing.

00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:57.960
Well, four

00:34:58.200 --> 00:35:01.020
for that one, I go, I've always
been a firm believer, gotta

00:35:01.020 --> 00:35:02.640
have some cash on hand, right?

00:35:02.670 --> 00:35:03.450
Some casts somewhere.

00:35:04.305 --> 00:35:08.505
But we're becoming more and more
of a cashless society and the value

00:35:08.505 --> 00:35:12.405
of having cash on hand, like you're
saying just, just might not be there.

00:35:12.405 --> 00:35:14.805
And I've got a friend recently.

00:35:14.805 --> 00:35:16.155
He says, Travis, can you come downtown?

00:35:16.155 --> 00:35:19.305
I want someone with me to,
uh, uh, to help me out.

00:35:19.305 --> 00:35:26.685
I've got a, should I say, I'm not saying
who the friend is $2 in gold making up.

00:35:26.685 --> 00:35:31.965
And I'd like, cause he's, he's concerned
about his, um, I perhaps what's

00:35:31.965 --> 00:35:35.565
happening with cash and what's happening
with the, uh, uh, the banking system.

00:35:35.565 --> 00:35:38.715
And he says, they're just going
to give him to me in golden.

00:35:38.715 --> 00:35:41.085
I got then transported to a
place, a location where it's

00:35:41.085 --> 00:35:42.045
going to be safely kept.

00:35:42.585 --> 00:35:47.175
Um, but again, I have to wonder
if that concept of having, uh,

00:35:47.205 --> 00:35:54.975
precious metals will hold much value
to an individual in a, uh, He in a

00:35:54.975 --> 00:35:59.055
society that is moving ever, ever
more, I guess, cashless and sort of

00:35:59.385 --> 00:36:01.755
decentralizing the, uh, uh, the banking.

00:36:01.785 --> 00:36:02.085
I don't know.

00:36:02.085 --> 00:36:02.805
Do you have thoughts on

00:36:02.805 --> 00:36:02.985
that?

00:36:03.345 --> 00:36:07.875
Yeah, I think you have to look at
history, try and learn from history

00:36:08.085 --> 00:36:09.765
and history is somewhat flawed.

00:36:09.765 --> 00:36:15.195
It's just the recollection or the
narrative of the winners in a scenario.

00:36:15.225 --> 00:36:17.325
That's what they, that's
what they let us know.

00:36:18.135 --> 00:36:23.565
Um, but I think, um, I have a good
friend whose family escaped from,

00:36:24.315 --> 00:36:27.285
uh, Eastern Europe, between the
wars that they're following the,

00:36:27.295 --> 00:36:28.905
the October revolution in Russia.

00:36:28.965 --> 00:36:31.995
And they basically had all
their lands confiscated, but

00:36:31.995 --> 00:36:33.285
they managed to get to Canada.

00:36:33.375 --> 00:36:36.375
They have family managed to get
there when they got to, and they were

00:36:36.375 --> 00:36:37.725
trying to get out of Europe, but they.

00:36:38.745 --> 00:36:40.785
Pay for their passage across the Atlantic.

00:36:41.415 --> 00:36:46.605
And the biggest single thing that got them
out was actually the children had had gold

00:36:46.605 --> 00:36:49.065
coins sewn into the lapels of their coats.

00:36:49.425 --> 00:36:51.975
They didn't check with children because
they didn't think they would have them.

00:36:52.005 --> 00:36:54.315
They, that the parents were strip search.

00:36:54.345 --> 00:36:56.715
They checked, everything, went through
all their paperwork, documentation,

00:36:56.715 --> 00:36:59.295
all their luggage, but they didn't
check the children, but these children

00:36:59.295 --> 00:37:01.875
had little gold coins sewed all
the way down through the lapels.

00:37:02.115 --> 00:37:04.905
And when they got to Canada,
they said it, could we get there?

00:37:04.905 --> 00:37:05.925
So what have you got?

00:37:05.925 --> 00:37:06.615
We've got gold.

00:37:06.885 --> 00:37:07.395
Oh, wow.

00:37:07.455 --> 00:37:08.265
That'll do nicely.

00:37:08.265 --> 00:37:10.815
You know, they, they got
farmland straight away.

00:37:10.815 --> 00:37:11.715
They got equipment.

00:37:12.225 --> 00:37:13.335
Um, one thing I would say.

00:37:14.444 --> 00:37:20.265
Talking about your friend with the,
uh, you know, a big single, maybe not a

00:37:20.265 --> 00:37:26.415
single Bob's a gold ingot that's worth,
you know, a few hundred thousand, $80,000

00:37:26.415 --> 00:37:28.935
or whatever it's worth is less tradable.

00:37:28.935 --> 00:37:32.265
So having some big stuff is useful,
but having something that's actually

00:37:32.265 --> 00:37:38.565
usable smaller quantities that will
be swappable because people, uh, and

00:37:38.565 --> 00:37:42.495
have paperwork printed off to show what
it was worth before stuff occurred.

00:37:42.524 --> 00:37:45.705
You know, that's a good point
just to say, this is what it was.

00:37:45.705 --> 00:37:47.205
This is what I purchased it for.

00:37:47.504 --> 00:37:50.924
And, uh, one of the things that's
good here in Canada, they do these,

00:37:50.924 --> 00:37:53.924
um, on one gram coins in a pack.

00:37:54.134 --> 00:37:54.464
Right?

00:37:54.495 --> 00:37:56.865
And you can, if you just want
one, you can break one off.

00:37:56.895 --> 00:37:58.634
If you want to give him
any of your trading for the

00:37:58.634 --> 00:37:59.685
whole thing, you can do that.

00:38:00.134 --> 00:38:02.145
Um, and it's all, it's all relative.

00:38:02.145 --> 00:38:04.665
I mean, you're obviously paying a
lot more for that goal, but it's

00:38:04.665 --> 00:38:08.924
very tradable, very, very swappable
and barterable with other people.

00:38:09.095 --> 00:38:09.884
And there's a good point.

00:38:11.235 --> 00:38:13.634
So give me yourself as many,
many options as possible.

00:38:13.685 --> 00:38:16.275
This is all comes under
this protection umbrella.

00:38:16.335 --> 00:38:18.884
So you're thinking about what do I do?

00:38:18.884 --> 00:38:23.055
What's going to happen in six
months, 12 months, and who knows

00:38:23.055 --> 00:38:26.145
what the time scale will be, but
how do I do something about this,

00:38:26.535 --> 00:38:26.895
right?

00:38:27.615 --> 00:38:27.945
Yeah.

00:38:28.065 --> 00:38:32.205
And then of course, if you're known,
I should suppose as the person

00:38:32.205 --> 00:38:35.205
who's prepared and who can take
care of themselves and who has some

00:38:35.205 --> 00:38:39.705
stockpiles, you'll likely become
a target at that point too, by

00:38:39.705 --> 00:38:41.145
anybody who happens to know this.

00:38:41.145 --> 00:38:45.795
So yeah, it would be something that
I think would be wise for people just

00:38:45.795 --> 00:38:49.615
to, to not advertise and maybe not
get on all the different forums and,

00:38:49.615 --> 00:38:54.015
and tell everybody what they know and
what they have because, uh, you know,

00:38:54.015 --> 00:38:57.555
time and time again, we hear, um, I
hear people saying, oh, Travis, if

00:38:57.555 --> 00:39:02.295
something goes wrong and you come to
your house, No, you're not, it doesn't

00:39:02.295 --> 00:39:02.924
work that way.

00:39:02.924 --> 00:39:03.045
Right.

00:39:03.285 --> 00:39:07.065
You get a lot of friends very
quickly, but you can't help everybody.

00:39:07.065 --> 00:39:09.345
You can't support the whole of the
Western world, the whole of the

00:39:09.345 --> 00:39:11.444
world around at Travis's house.

00:39:11.714 --> 00:39:12.255
That's right.

00:39:12.615 --> 00:39:14.145
And then I hear the other side.

00:39:14.235 --> 00:39:15.375
What do I need to prep for?

00:39:15.555 --> 00:39:16.485
I know where the preppers are.

00:39:16.485 --> 00:39:18.404
I'm just going to go to their
house and take it from them.

00:39:19.065 --> 00:39:19.335
Yeah.

00:39:19.395 --> 00:39:23.395
Well, you mentioned Nick before Nick
says, and he says, you know, if you,

00:39:23.395 --> 00:39:26.835
if, if you're storing and you don't
have any way to protect that, you're

00:39:26.835 --> 00:39:28.095
just doing it for other people.

00:39:28.365 --> 00:39:29.025
That's right.

00:39:29.205 --> 00:39:29.475
Yeah.

00:39:29.505 --> 00:39:29.895
Good way.

00:39:30.194 --> 00:39:30.375
Good.

00:39:30.375 --> 00:39:30.825
All Mick,

00:39:31.245 --> 00:39:32.505
and this is not about setting up.

00:39:32.505 --> 00:39:36.495
You're not trying to set up a, uh,
an armory or something, but it's just

00:39:36.495 --> 00:39:40.035
being able to know that you've got stuff
located that you know, where it is and

00:39:40.035 --> 00:39:42.975
other people wouldn't know where it is
and the hair, how are you prepared stuff?

00:39:42.975 --> 00:39:45.075
So it's just being smart in my opinion.

00:39:45.555 --> 00:39:46.005
I agree.

00:39:47.505 --> 00:39:50.549
Um, So that's what I call the protection.

00:39:50.549 --> 00:39:53.700
There's, there's other things that you
and I and other people can think of

00:39:53.700 --> 00:39:55.140
that would pull under that protection.

00:39:55.140 --> 00:39:58.560
But I think that that protects you,
that gives you the best chance shelter

00:39:58.560 --> 00:40:01.560
and accommodation is very important
because unless you're literally going

00:40:01.560 --> 00:40:04.589
to just be sleeping outdoors, which you
might get away with in some parts of the

00:40:04.589 --> 00:40:07.560
world at some dark parts of the year,
but you're not going to be doing that.

00:40:07.560 --> 00:40:10.709
Long-term so you need to have
a place think about whether

00:40:10.709 --> 00:40:12.600
you are urban or rural.

00:40:12.629 --> 00:40:16.080
Rural tends to be better for
survival longer term because

00:40:16.080 --> 00:40:18.720
there's less people or less there.

00:40:18.720 --> 00:40:21.990
I see if there is a societal break and
there's less roaming gangs going around,

00:40:21.990 --> 00:40:25.140
so probably stand a better chance and
you want to be as low key as possible.

00:40:25.799 --> 00:40:28.560
Another thing that falls under
protection is things like, can you

00:40:28.560 --> 00:40:30.540
provide enough power for your 17 to you?

00:40:30.540 --> 00:40:34.620
You thought you want to have
generators or inverters or some

00:40:34.620 --> 00:40:36.299
other means of generating power.

00:40:36.299 --> 00:40:39.660
That's all comes under the protection
under the protection umbrella.

00:40:41.609 --> 00:40:45.660
Yeah, having a, um, a multi fuel
generator, probably a pretty good idea.

00:40:45.810 --> 00:40:52.140
Having a way to, uh, I guess just collect
power from, let's say solar energy or wind

00:40:52.140 --> 00:40:57.270
energy, again, not a bad idea, but you'd
have to store that in, uh, in battery

00:40:57.270 --> 00:41:03.600
banks or maybe, maybe some large capacitor
bank that can have a slow discharge.

00:41:03.629 --> 00:41:04.169
I'm not sure.

00:41:04.169 --> 00:41:05.009
I'm just kind of thinking of.

00:41:06.645 --> 00:41:11.134
Um, I know this is a, this is a
scenario I've been through is what, w

00:41:11.415 --> 00:41:15.045
w what do I need powerful, you know,
do I need to be on the internet and

00:41:15.045 --> 00:41:19.065
checking my emails and, and doing
social media and no, what do I need?

00:41:19.154 --> 00:41:21.525
I'd like the fridges and
freezers to still be working.

00:41:21.525 --> 00:41:23.145
I'd like a furnace to be working.

00:41:23.145 --> 00:41:26.355
So you can tailor what your
power requirements are.

00:41:26.955 --> 00:41:30.855
Do I need to be doing, um, you
know, running the dishwasher or the

00:41:30.855 --> 00:41:34.335
clothes washer, you know, twice a
day, no, you got enough clothes.

00:41:34.335 --> 00:41:37.634
You could probably last a few months with
the clothes that you've got right there.

00:41:37.634 --> 00:41:39.944
Not doing a lot of washing at the
end of it, but don't get me wrong.

00:41:40.305 --> 00:41:43.785
But using other methods of doing things
like cleaning, and this is, these are the

00:41:43.785 --> 00:41:47.535
more of the niceties, the long-term, this
is not a short term things, but can, do

00:41:47.535 --> 00:41:52.634
you have the ability to wash things or the
ability to do our grandparents or dare I

00:41:52.634 --> 00:41:56.384
say a great guy in pounds would have just
thought this was quite normal because

00:41:56.384 --> 00:41:57.645
they had all the automation of stuff.

00:41:58.590 --> 00:42:01.470
Great stuff there to said, well,
that's the way we used to do it.

00:42:01.650 --> 00:42:04.640
Well, we might end up, you could see it.

00:42:04.660 --> 00:42:06.480
We ended up back doing it
the way they used to do.

00:42:06.870 --> 00:42:07.000
Yeah.

00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:07.049
I

00:42:07.049 --> 00:42:11.910
don't know if I'm targeted or what if
this, uh, if the algorithm has taken a

00:42:11.910 --> 00:42:16.620
look at my interests, I don't generally
seek out survival and prep type stuff.

00:42:16.890 --> 00:42:20.490
Uh, but I keep seeing ads
scrolling through on Tik.

00:42:20.490 --> 00:42:24.210
Talk about, try to sell some book
about how things were done back in

00:42:24.210 --> 00:42:25.529
the day, how to make your own lard.

00:42:25.529 --> 00:42:30.090
How do you make your own soap and
all of these basic things that

00:42:30.090 --> 00:42:31.560
were pretty basic back in the day?

00:42:33.180 --> 00:42:35.340
I think it was called
forgotten skills here.

00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:40.200
An advertising for self that I
find see on, on a tick talk, but I

00:42:40.200 --> 00:42:47.069
see that there is a desire in the
general public, at least as much to,

00:42:47.580 --> 00:42:52.424
uh, Necessitated facilitate these,
these advertisements or the sale of

00:42:52.424 --> 00:42:54.315
these different books or platforms.

00:42:54.315 --> 00:42:58.575
So people can learn about these
quote unquote forgotten skills.

00:42:59.384 --> 00:43:03.495
I see that coming back in a big way, and
I think COVID has really kind of woken

00:43:03.495 --> 00:43:08.865
everybody up in a couple of senses,
both in the sense that something could

00:43:08.865 --> 00:43:13.995
happen, whether COVID is just a big,
cold or not, or whatever people want

00:43:13.995 --> 00:43:20.444
to look at, but the idea that something
could possibly happen and society might

00:43:20.504 --> 00:43:26.805
not be as stable as people think that
they might, there might be some, uh,

00:43:26.835 --> 00:43:30.645
instabilities that will require people
to be a little bit more prepared.

00:43:30.645 --> 00:43:36.015
So I think the general populace is
really been turning its head towards.

00:43:36.855 --> 00:43:38.835
How can I garden and create my own food?

00:43:39.075 --> 00:43:43.904
How can I, how can I make sure that
I, you know, if the power does go

00:43:43.904 --> 00:43:47.505
out, that will be warm long enough
and a bunch of these little things.

00:43:47.505 --> 00:43:49.485
I think it's created some instability.

00:43:49.485 --> 00:43:52.485
There's always been instability, but it's
brought it to the forefront in people's

00:43:52.545 --> 00:43:53.025
minds.

00:43:53.475 --> 00:43:55.545
I think people are starting to look at it.

00:43:55.845 --> 00:43:58.845
The smart people have definitely been
looking at for a longer time, but,

00:43:58.875 --> 00:44:00.375
uh, other people are just saying.

00:44:01.484 --> 00:44:04.154
As I said to you before we, two
years ago, we didn't predict

00:44:04.185 --> 00:44:05.444
we would be where we are now.

00:44:05.475 --> 00:44:05.944
Right?

00:44:05.955 --> 00:44:07.544
You would have said, no,
that'll never happen.

00:44:07.544 --> 00:44:09.225
Well, things do happen.

00:44:09.984 --> 00:44:12.944
We've got some unprecedented,
uh, stuff just happened in the

00:44:12.944 --> 00:44:14.475
last 24 hours here in Canada.

00:44:14.475 --> 00:44:17.774
You know, we're going into the
emergencies act, which is a

00:44:17.924 --> 00:44:19.875
fairly serious, it's substantial.

00:44:20.024 --> 00:44:20.955
It is substantial.

00:44:20.955 --> 00:44:25.245
And people don't under stand
just how substantial it is.

00:44:25.245 --> 00:44:28.125
And I think can dismiss it and say,
oh, well, that's what we're doing.

00:44:28.754 --> 00:44:31.185
This is there's a significant impact.

00:44:31.214 --> 00:44:37.064
And, uh, it will have impact on
many people and it can, that will

00:44:37.064 --> 00:44:38.234
have an impact down the road.

00:44:38.254 --> 00:44:39.975
This is the butterfly effect.

00:44:39.975 --> 00:44:42.615
It's going to impact lots of
other, lots of other things.

00:44:42.615 --> 00:44:45.495
Those things I mentioned before, as
far as inflation and supply issues

00:44:45.495 --> 00:44:49.214
and rate, it's not just a matter of
going to the store and picking it up.

00:44:49.845 --> 00:44:53.145
That's the fact we can still do
it at the moment is nice, but

00:44:53.205 --> 00:44:54.524
don't expect it necessarily.

00:44:55.275 --> 00:44:57.884
I don't want to be a prophet of
doom, but don't expect it to always

00:44:57.884 --> 00:44:59.654
be exact like that it's happened.

00:44:59.865 --> 00:45:03.134
It's happened in a longer
history, but it's also happened

00:45:03.134 --> 00:45:04.245
in recent history in Europe.

00:45:04.245 --> 00:45:07.935
And we've got people even here
in Canada, who've escaped from

00:45:07.935 --> 00:45:10.725
regimes where they've said they
didn't expect this to be happening.

00:45:10.875 --> 00:45:11.595
It has

00:45:11.595 --> 00:45:11.985
happened,

00:45:12.375 --> 00:45:15.165
you know, I've, I've had that
same conversation with a lot of

00:45:15.765 --> 00:45:19.875
different people who have, like
you say, escape, different regimes.

00:45:20.025 --> 00:45:24.855
Um, and there's, they'll
just call a spade a spade.

00:45:24.915 --> 00:45:27.765
And they'll say, look, I've seen
this happen before I've lived

00:45:27.765 --> 00:45:29.625
through this before what's happening.

00:45:29.685 --> 00:45:30.585
Isn't right.

00:45:30.975 --> 00:45:34.065
And those who haven't been through
it and don't have that experience.

00:45:34.485 --> 00:45:41.325
They, they just aren't as, uh, open
to considering the possibility of the

00:45:41.325 --> 00:45:43.964
fact that things are going sideways or
they could be really bad or there could

00:45:43.964 --> 00:45:45.735
be negative intention behind it or.

00:45:46.755 --> 00:45:51.194
There could be good intentions
behind it, but we all know what

00:45:51.194 --> 00:45:52.785
the road to hell is paved with.

00:45:52.785 --> 00:45:53.174
Right.

00:45:53.654 --> 00:45:57.734
Um, I don't necessarily think
that everybody is out there.

00:45:58.245 --> 00:46:02.865
Um, I don't think there's some
diabolical, Macklin, alien, uh,

00:46:03.165 --> 00:46:05.805
plot here that's been driving.

00:46:05.835 --> 00:46:07.995
What's been happening
in our social events.

00:46:09.105 --> 00:46:13.335
I do think absolutely that there
are some who will take full

00:46:13.335 --> 00:46:14.984
advantage of what's going on.

00:46:15.495 --> 00:46:23.234
Uh, and I think that the, um, let's
say otherwise good intentions of many.

00:46:23.295 --> 00:46:25.725
I have some friends who work
in government and they are

00:46:25.785 --> 00:46:27.464
salt of the earth type people.

00:46:27.464 --> 00:46:29.625
Their hearts is in the right place.

00:46:30.435 --> 00:46:33.855
And, and from my perspective,
uh, some of them anyways are

00:46:33.855 --> 00:46:36.375
very blind to what's going on.

00:46:36.404 --> 00:46:40.365
Even if they have background and a
background in history or philosophy or,

00:46:41.444 --> 00:46:44.805
or what have you, and they should, and
they should have an understanding of.

00:46:45.975 --> 00:46:49.935
The fact that history repeats
itself and the best predictor of

00:46:50.115 --> 00:46:51.674
future performance is past before.

00:46:52.065 --> 00:46:53.055
So human human

00:46:53.055 --> 00:46:55.964
behavior is, is, is fascinating.

00:46:55.964 --> 00:46:57.075
And it is very predictive.

00:46:57.095 --> 00:47:00.555
We're a lot more predictable as a
species than we sometimes like to think.

00:47:00.555 --> 00:47:02.835
We think, oh, we're a lot
smarter than we used to be.

00:47:02.835 --> 00:47:04.125
We'll make the right decisions.

00:47:04.125 --> 00:47:06.884
The reality is people are
going to do what they gotta do.

00:47:06.884 --> 00:47:09.435
And if people get scared,
that's a big driver.

00:47:09.435 --> 00:47:12.615
Fear is the massive driver of
the population and has been

00:47:12.615 --> 00:47:15.705
used forever to manage people.

00:47:15.765 --> 00:47:18.795
And that you can get people
moving in a certain direction.

00:47:18.795 --> 00:47:22.335
You put a certain chain of events
in place and it's then becomes

00:47:22.335 --> 00:47:23.835
a lot easier for the next thing.

00:47:23.865 --> 00:47:25.575
The next thing in that chain to happen.

00:47:25.755 --> 00:47:26.174
Yes.

00:47:26.525 --> 00:47:26.895
Yeah.

00:47:27.365 --> 00:47:31.455
I looked at like Noam Chomsky's book
on manufacturing consent, right?

00:47:31.455 --> 00:47:31.665
Yeah.

00:47:32.205 --> 00:47:34.154
And using the, the media there.

00:47:34.245 --> 00:47:41.180
I, when you say people are predictable,
that for me, Has been the most interesting

00:47:41.180 --> 00:47:46.729
aspect of what we've been going through
is watching the human response, watching

00:47:46.729 --> 00:47:51.680
how people respond to the external events
that are happening in a very group think

00:47:51.680 --> 00:47:56.870
type of way, because inherently, I think
people are so afraid of being outcast or

00:47:56.899 --> 00:48:01.910
not fitting in with the rest of the group
that otherwise intelligent people who

00:48:01.910 --> 00:48:07.850
can formulate their own opinions on their
own and come to logical conclusions will

00:48:08.240 --> 00:48:15.649
just go in line with whatever the popular
consensus is currently going out of fear.

00:48:15.709 --> 00:48:18.470
I mean, it wasn't too long ago when
everyone was talking about COVID and

00:48:18.500 --> 00:48:21.560
hush breaths, if at all, for fear
of being called a conspiracy Ferris.

00:48:21.560 --> 00:48:21.859
Right?

00:48:22.069 --> 00:48:22.279
Yeah.

00:48:22.459 --> 00:48:26.689
And when you, when you look at, as
a hunter, you look at game trails.

00:48:26.689 --> 00:48:29.450
So you know that there's probably
going to be a game that goes down

00:48:29.450 --> 00:48:33.350
this trail because these animals will
take the path of least resistance.

00:48:34.694 --> 00:48:38.115
Some might bound over in
areas that are off the path.

00:48:38.145 --> 00:48:40.575
But for the most part, a
good indicator is this path.

00:48:40.575 --> 00:48:41.805
And people are just like that.

00:48:41.805 --> 00:48:43.395
People take the path of least resistance.

00:48:43.395 --> 00:48:47.865
They want other people to make decisions
for them to protect them, to, uh, to

00:48:47.865 --> 00:48:52.214
blindly assume that everything is going
to be just fine because the consequence

00:48:52.225 --> 00:48:57.915
of thinking otherwise would be that you
have to prepare and you have to, um, work

00:48:57.944 --> 00:48:59.984
can take responsibility for your actions.

00:49:00.705 --> 00:49:03.314
I think just as you were
talking, I was just reminded me.

00:49:03.314 --> 00:49:07.935
I'm sure some of you, some of
the listeners will know the

00:49:07.935 --> 00:49:10.605
experiments they've done, where the
people getting into an elevator.

00:49:10.605 --> 00:49:13.694
And as you get into the elevator,
everybody's facing the back of the

00:49:13.694 --> 00:49:18.225
elevator, not facing the door and they
walk in and they feel uncomfortable.

00:49:18.225 --> 00:49:18.645
Let's see.

00:49:18.734 --> 00:49:20.955
It's hilarious to watch
them talk to them after.

00:49:20.984 --> 00:49:23.294
Why did you turn around and
face the ways everybody else?

00:49:23.714 --> 00:49:24.254
I don't know.

00:49:24.254 --> 00:49:25.964
I just, just wanted to fit in.

00:49:25.964 --> 00:49:27.044
I just thought it was the

00:49:27.044 --> 00:49:27.345
right way.

00:49:27.705 --> 00:49:30.404
Did you see the beep one
that in the doctor's office.

00:49:31.725 --> 00:49:32.535
The electric shock?

00:49:32.595 --> 00:49:32.984
No,

00:49:33.004 --> 00:49:37.785
this was, um, I thought, so it is a
variation on the elevator one where

00:49:37.785 --> 00:49:41.085
they get everyone to turn around,
but they took it one step further.

00:49:41.384 --> 00:49:45.524
So they have a room full of
actors in a doctor's office.

00:49:46.305 --> 00:49:53.294
And a patient comes on in and a beep goes
off and everybody in the room stands up.

00:49:53.294 --> 00:49:56.325
When the beep goes in, they hear another
beep and they all sit down in this.

00:49:56.415 --> 00:49:59.625
Patient's like looking around like
what the heck's going on here.

00:49:59.625 --> 00:50:00.015
Right?

00:50:00.015 --> 00:50:02.745
And then another beep goes,
everyone stands up and they

00:50:02.745 --> 00:50:03.794
sit down, they keep doing this.

00:50:03.794 --> 00:50:06.765
All of a sudden, the chief standing
up and sitting down and little by

00:50:06.765 --> 00:50:08.955
little, a new patients come in.

00:50:08.955 --> 00:50:12.975
These are people that are not the actors
and they're not a part of the program.

00:50:13.634 --> 00:50:16.845
And they keep doing this until they
reach a point where there are no more

00:50:16.845 --> 00:50:19.814
actors and it's just new people in there.

00:50:19.875 --> 00:50:22.814
And the beeps going and they're
standing up and sitting down on the

00:50:22.814 --> 00:50:24.615
beach just because that's how it's.

00:50:25.395 --> 00:50:25.905
Scare.

00:50:25.925 --> 00:50:27.135
It's a scary thought.

00:50:27.135 --> 00:50:30.645
Isn't it all very, it reminds
me, I was listening to a thing

00:50:30.645 --> 00:50:31.995
recently, you know, um, Dr.

00:50:31.995 --> 00:50:38.175
Julie, Panesar the, uh, the, uh,
professor, uh, from Ontario and

00:50:38.175 --> 00:50:40.065
she was talking about one of them.

00:50:40.075 --> 00:50:45.705
She does teaches ethics and she said
she has the picture from 1930s, Germany.

00:50:45.705 --> 00:50:47.645
We've got that to famous
black and white picture.

00:50:47.805 --> 00:50:52.305
The whole crowd is doing the Nazi salute,
but there's one guy who isn't raised.

00:50:52.305 --> 00:50:55.395
She used to ask her students and
say, would you be one of the crowd?

00:50:55.395 --> 00:50:56.715
Or would you be him?

00:50:57.165 --> 00:51:01.515
And everybody likes to think they would
be the him, but the reality is people

00:51:01.515 --> 00:51:02.955
go to the line of least resistance.

00:51:02.955 --> 00:51:03.735
Well, that's what we do.

00:51:03.735 --> 00:51:04.425
We fit in.

00:51:04.695 --> 00:51:04.965
Right.

00:51:06.255 --> 00:51:07.515
You know what you're talking about.

00:51:07.605 --> 00:51:10.215
People being in it for
themselves earlier, right?

00:51:10.215 --> 00:51:12.915
When you were like, are you going
to just be in that for yourself

00:51:12.945 --> 00:51:14.205
or going to look out after others?

00:51:14.695 --> 00:51:20.385
I had a friend, a couple of
friends over, um, a few weeks ago

00:51:21.075 --> 00:51:23.970
and, uh, I mentioned that to her.

00:51:24.060 --> 00:51:29.760
And I said, look it inherently, everybody,
everybody is in it for themselves.

00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.400
I says, she says, I don't believe that.

00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:35.910
I said, okay, let's say there's
a fire in here right now.

00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:37.350
And I didn't even have
to finish the sentence.

00:51:37.350 --> 00:51:39.000
He says, I'm grabbing the
Adelaide, her daughter.

00:51:39.240 --> 00:51:40.530
Right, right.

00:51:41.220 --> 00:51:43.890
At some point, everybody
is in it for themselves.

00:51:44.250 --> 00:51:45.720
Where is that line though?

00:51:45.750 --> 00:51:48.750
Some people that aligns pretty
far down, some people, their

00:51:48.750 --> 00:51:53.580
day-to-day life, they operate right
on that, on that line between, you

00:51:53.580 --> 00:51:55.410
know, there's something going on.

00:51:55.410 --> 00:51:58.530
It could be, you could be me,
I'll tell you what I'm screaming.

00:51:58.560 --> 00:51:58.980
It's me.

00:51:59.070 --> 00:51:59.490
Right.

00:52:00.090 --> 00:52:08.670
Um, but I, I firmly believe that,
uh, everybody is in it for themselves

00:52:08.700 --> 00:52:11.520
just based on the human condition,
based on the fact that we are

00:52:11.520 --> 00:52:13.800
creatures and we want to survive.

00:52:14.370 --> 00:52:19.350
Um, Some people get a little
greedy, a little, a little power

00:52:19.350 --> 00:52:20.700
hungry or whatever it might be.

00:52:20.700 --> 00:52:24.450
And you'll find, uh, you'll
find that line pretty close.

00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:32.730
But I guess, um, before I degress
too far here, uh, your next category

00:52:32.730 --> 00:52:34.290
that you're talking about was

00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:42.900
water or, um, it's for people to
think just how important water

00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:46.170
is a lot of people, particularly
when they start off in preparing

00:52:46.170 --> 00:52:48.390
for whatever's going to happen.

00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:52.350
They think that just means I just got to
fill the pantry full of food and that's

00:52:52.350 --> 00:52:54.540
not, that's not the way, way ahead.

00:52:55.080 --> 00:52:58.980
Food falls further down the, uh,
further down the priority list.

00:52:59.520 --> 00:53:01.350
Um, know how much.

00:53:02.040 --> 00:53:04.470
Water you need, and you've
got to research this.

00:53:04.470 --> 00:53:07.080
I wouldn't go into numbers now
because it's a separate thing.

00:53:07.380 --> 00:53:09.990
But talking that, you know, the,
the volume of it that you will

00:53:09.990 --> 00:53:13.470
need per person, there's ways you
can reduce the volume that using.

00:53:13.470 --> 00:53:17.280
I mean, if you have sort of persons having
four showers a day that's or four Barts a

00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:18.660
day, that's probably not going to be good.

00:53:19.230 --> 00:53:22.950
Uh, it's not going to be happening, but
you need the volume that you need and

00:53:22.950 --> 00:53:26.460
the cleanliness and safety of it, because
you've got to drink water, you have

00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:28.320
to have fluids and you have to do it.

00:53:28.710 --> 00:53:31.620
And you can't sub sorry to tell
some people you can't survive

00:53:31.620 --> 00:53:34.860
exclusively on alcohol or
Coca-Cola, that's not going to work.

00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:35.280
I know

00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:35.790
some people,

00:53:37.690 --> 00:53:38.730
some people give it a go.

00:53:38.759 --> 00:53:41.880
I know I'm not saying alcohol
and they don't have a role to

00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:45.600
play because they are useful to
have a very, very tradable items.

00:53:45.600 --> 00:53:49.740
Interestingly, for, for tree, how coal
is excellent for trading because you

00:53:49.950 --> 00:53:51.420
offer somebody hasn't seen any alcohol.

00:53:51.975 --> 00:53:54.585
A couple of months and he'd
say, I would really like to

00:53:54.585 --> 00:53:55.945
get some fuel for my generator.

00:53:55.975 --> 00:53:56.565
What have you got?

00:53:56.595 --> 00:53:58.725
Oh, I got this little bottle of vodka.

00:53:58.755 --> 00:54:00.825
No problem suddenly happened.

00:54:01.995 --> 00:54:06.105
So it can be very useful, but it's
understanding how, how do you know what

00:54:06.105 --> 00:54:09.735
options have you got again, it goes
back to where do you live in the world?

00:54:09.795 --> 00:54:10.485
Do you have a lab?

00:54:11.175 --> 00:54:14.385
Ideally, I guess you'd be
living on a, uh, off grid.

00:54:14.385 --> 00:54:17.205
You'd have your own well, or you'd
have your own river and you've

00:54:17.205 --> 00:54:18.735
got your own cleansing system.

00:54:18.735 --> 00:54:19.755
And you're used to doing this.

00:54:19.755 --> 00:54:20.805
You've been doing this for years.

00:54:20.805 --> 00:54:23.625
That's, that's, that's the, the,
the sort of the gold standard.

00:54:23.625 --> 00:54:26.355
But again, you're not just nipping
up to the suit, the store and

00:54:26.355 --> 00:54:28.335
buying a case of water, right.

00:54:28.365 --> 00:54:31.815
That's not happening or potentially
not just turning the tap on and getting

00:54:31.815 --> 00:54:33.705
good, clean, drinkable, water out.

00:54:33.735 --> 00:54:35.835
If that's not happening,
what are you doing?

00:54:35.835 --> 00:54:39.495
So you need a way to have a certain
amount of water stored, and then to

00:54:39.495 --> 00:54:43.635
be able to cleanse that, to make it
drinkable, it doesn't have to all be

00:54:43.845 --> 00:54:45.555
cleansed to the same standard as drinking.

00:54:45.555 --> 00:54:46.545
Cause you could wash in it.

00:54:46.545 --> 00:54:48.015
You could be washing clothes, right.

00:54:48.045 --> 00:54:48.975
But the stuff that you're going to be.

00:54:49.794 --> 00:54:54.865
You want to keep yourself hydrated, you
know, from it back country, dehydration

00:54:54.865 --> 00:54:56.004
is one of the biggest killers.

00:54:56.125 --> 00:54:56.424
Oh

00:54:56.455 --> 00:54:56.725
yeah.

00:54:56.725 --> 00:54:59.484
It gets you a big time and it
affects your physical performance,

00:54:59.484 --> 00:55:03.115
your mental performance, your yeah,
no, you, you need to see hydrated

00:55:03.714 --> 00:55:06.835
and people think, then
haven't really looked at this.

00:55:06.835 --> 00:55:09.265
They think, oh, well, if it's
hot day, I'll be sweating.

00:55:09.265 --> 00:55:09.895
I'll lose it.

00:55:09.895 --> 00:55:10.765
But it's a cold day.

00:55:10.765 --> 00:55:12.714
So I won't, well, you're then
called a you're wrapped up.

00:55:12.714 --> 00:55:13.794
You're sweating inside.

00:55:14.125 --> 00:55:17.305
You're still losing, even in winter
survival, you lose you're sweating.

00:55:17.305 --> 00:55:18.085
And the whole,

00:55:18.714 --> 00:55:23.615
and I got to wonder, so if, if you
look at a hydrometer and, uh, inside,

00:55:23.615 --> 00:55:26.665
uh, a house during the summertime,
it's going to be much more humid.

00:55:26.995 --> 00:55:29.605
And in the winter time, of course,
it's going to be much more arid.

00:55:30.085 --> 00:55:37.605
Um, I've always kind of wondered about
how much, uh, How much the body kind

00:55:37.605 --> 00:55:43.005
of absorbs for moisture in the more
humid environments that will, uh,

00:55:43.035 --> 00:55:45.675
make the need for perhaps water less.

00:55:46.095 --> 00:55:50.445
And how much in colder environments, just
the act of breathing out is expelling

00:55:50.445 --> 00:55:53.505
possibly more in such a dry environment.

00:55:53.565 --> 00:55:54.585
Expelling more water.

00:55:55.155 --> 00:55:55.425
Yeah,

00:55:55.425 --> 00:56:00.195
I think to two totally
different climatic situations.

00:56:00.255 --> 00:56:00.615
See.

00:56:01.705 --> 00:56:04.495
Uh, w one of the big killers, there
is dehydration people that well I'm

00:56:04.495 --> 00:56:05.785
floating around in the ocean now.

00:56:05.785 --> 00:56:09.024
Surely I'm not going to be dehydrated,
but you're not drinking a salt water.

00:56:09.024 --> 00:56:10.285
I'm sorry, but that's the way it is.

00:56:10.615 --> 00:56:11.904
But also jungle survival.

00:56:11.904 --> 00:56:14.214
You're in the tropics and it's crazy wet.

00:56:14.245 --> 00:56:17.814
It's raining all the time and sweating,
but people come to you hydrated there

00:56:17.814 --> 00:56:21.294
as well, because the stuff that's
falling is maybe it's not drinkable,

00:56:21.294 --> 00:56:24.355
or it's going to give you very sick,
give you dysentery, which is not good.

00:56:24.355 --> 00:56:26.904
So you've got an, either a
means to cleanse that water,

00:56:27.115 --> 00:56:27.774
right?

00:56:28.495 --> 00:56:28.705
Yeah.

00:56:28.825 --> 00:56:30.924
With a Homer Simpson, sea
water, water everywhere.

00:56:30.924 --> 00:56:31.855
So let's all have a drink

00:56:33.714 --> 00:56:35.245
and he wasn't, he wasn't far wrong.

00:56:37.375 --> 00:56:39.685
Um, so I move on to my next point.

00:56:39.834 --> 00:56:40.674
Let's okay.

00:56:40.674 --> 00:56:43.464
The next one, going back down
that hierarchy and protection

00:56:43.464 --> 00:56:44.665
water, the next one is food.

00:56:45.145 --> 00:56:45.774
So think about.

00:56:46.890 --> 00:56:49.350
Um, I would say to people
make a start on this.

00:56:49.379 --> 00:56:54.629
So having a store of food, start off
general rule of thumb and there's

00:56:54.629 --> 00:56:58.049
people who know way more about this
than I do, but I would say a three

00:56:58.259 --> 00:57:01.589
supply, can you survive with three
days without going out to the store?

00:57:01.740 --> 00:57:03.089
Most people say, oh yeah, I could.

00:57:03.540 --> 00:57:05.520
But at the end of three days,
if you're starving and not

00:57:05.520 --> 00:57:06.930
functioning properly, it's not good.

00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:08.700
But some people just have
just what they want on it.

00:57:09.029 --> 00:57:13.470
They rely totally on bringing food in
takeouts all the time, which is not good.

00:57:13.830 --> 00:57:17.339
So do a three-day then maybe a
three week, then a three month

00:57:17.370 --> 00:57:18.480
and then maybe up to a year.

00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:23.009
So if you can provide, you've got enough
stored away to survive for a year.

00:57:23.009 --> 00:57:24.270
That's useful.

00:57:24.600 --> 00:57:28.410
That's a huge buffer for you to
see what happens with society.

00:57:28.470 --> 00:57:30.419
And you're going to end up
and you're going to end up

00:57:30.419 --> 00:57:31.529
with a lot of friends as well.

00:57:31.529 --> 00:57:34.710
If you've got food and you've got
people leave don't, but you've got to be

00:57:34.799 --> 00:57:38.669
cautious of that as well, but you want
to have stuff that's going to be tasty.

00:57:38.669 --> 00:57:39.870
It's got to be nutritious.

00:57:39.899 --> 00:57:41.850
You want some variety in there, but also.

00:57:42.735 --> 00:57:43.845
Some fresh stuff.

00:57:43.875 --> 00:57:44.475
What can you go?

00:57:44.475 --> 00:57:46.765
Even in the winter, in, you
know, in the Northern hemisphere.

00:57:46.765 --> 00:57:50.895
So in Canada, you can still grow
things that, uh, with sprouting seeds

00:57:50.895 --> 00:57:53.715
and things like that can provide
you a huge amounts of vitamin C and

00:57:54.345 --> 00:57:56.295
nutrients, which can, which can be done.

00:57:56.565 --> 00:57:59.655
It's not that you don't have to wait
until April may before the crop.

00:57:59.655 --> 00:58:02.685
So in the, in the fields, just to
learn how you can extend the growing

00:58:02.685 --> 00:58:06.045
season, and I'm going to come onto
my next thing, which is talking about

00:58:06.045 --> 00:58:08.925
skills, but that's, that's one of
those areas that skills are very import

00:58:09.585 --> 00:58:13.095
well with the food one, you know, even
just spending a week out in the back

00:58:13.095 --> 00:58:19.215
country, on boil in the bag type food,
it's amazing how, uh, unpalatable

00:58:19.245 --> 00:58:23.445
the same flavor list type of food,
or even if it was a good food, but

00:58:23.445 --> 00:58:28.095
you're eating the same thing over
and over again, despite being hungry,

00:58:28.155 --> 00:58:29.475
he kind of have to choke it down.

00:58:29.475 --> 00:58:32.805
Cause you know, you need to replenish
the calories that you're expanding.

00:58:33.435 --> 00:58:37.425
Um, so when you say it's gotta
be tasty having that variation,

00:58:37.485 --> 00:58:38.545
and it's also amazing how.

00:58:39.390 --> 00:58:41.940
You crave fresh food or something.

00:58:41.940 --> 00:58:47.880
That's some, some roughage,
some vegetables and, you know,

00:58:49.080 --> 00:58:50.100
food is one of those things.

00:58:50.100 --> 00:58:51.870
I think a lot of people look
at it and they say, oh yeah,

00:58:51.870 --> 00:58:52.980
I got to have lots of food.

00:58:53.970 --> 00:58:57.870
It's amazing how long you can
actually live and still somewhat

00:58:57.870 --> 00:58:59.910
comfortably without food.

00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:01.470
I can't say the same without water.

00:59:01.470 --> 00:59:07.680
I can say, uh, the first day without
food is very, um, it's not fun.

00:59:08.250 --> 00:59:10.920
Mind you, you go to sleep and you wake
up and for whatever reason, I'm not

00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:15.840
hungry the next day and your body, I
guess, shifts into a different mode.

00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:19.230
And then maybe I'll get a little
bit hungry, but I find I really

00:59:19.230 --> 00:59:21.750
don't need a hell of a lot of
food three days without food.

00:59:21.810 --> 00:59:25.320
And I'm actually feeling okay.

00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:27.840
I've been in situations where
unfortunately I've had to

00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:29.100
go a few days without food.

00:59:29.610 --> 00:59:36.705
Um, And I, I think food is obviously
important, but when you're talking

00:59:36.705 --> 00:59:39.975
about water, I think all of my
attention would be on protection

00:59:39.975 --> 00:59:42.315
and water with food as being okay.

00:59:42.315 --> 00:59:44.265
I got an idea where I can possibly get

00:59:44.265 --> 00:59:48.375
something and there's a whole
lot to learn about what stores

00:59:48.375 --> 00:59:49.665
well and what doesn't store.

00:59:49.665 --> 00:59:50.775
Well, how are you going to do it?

00:59:50.775 --> 00:59:52.845
I mean, you're not just
going to have a freezer.

00:59:52.904 --> 00:59:55.185
That's, you're just going to pack this
stuff and that's going to be good.

00:59:55.515 --> 00:59:56.415
The power's out.

00:59:56.415 --> 00:59:59.415
If you've got no alternative power,
you're going to lose the whole lot.

00:59:59.415 --> 01:00:01.455
That's not good, but there's good.

01:00:01.455 --> 01:00:04.035
It's understanding the different
types of, and they'll come into that

01:00:04.035 --> 01:00:07.185
and the skill section, the different
types of how to, you know, food

01:00:07.185 --> 01:00:08.325
preservation and things like that.

01:00:08.325 --> 01:00:11.475
But having stuff that can be in
tins, it can be dry products.

01:00:11.505 --> 01:00:13.455
All you've got to then do is rehydrate it.

01:00:13.735 --> 01:00:15.375
You've already addressed
the water situation.

01:00:15.375 --> 01:00:17.055
You've now got the water to rehydrate it.

01:00:17.565 --> 01:00:18.404
And some of these things.

01:00:19.365 --> 01:00:22.605
Long time, I'm talking decades,
if you have stored correctly.

01:00:23.235 --> 01:00:26.775
And, uh, once you start to learn about
that, you can say, Hey, well, I can

01:00:27.105 --> 01:00:30.885
put this away and I know it will be
good for, it will be good in two years,

01:00:30.885 --> 01:00:33.705
if I need to eat it into two to three
years and he could have some rotation,

01:00:33.705 --> 01:00:38.385
but I always view it that the worst it
can come with all of this is you end

01:00:38.385 --> 01:00:41.385
up with a store of food that you're
going to use over a period of time.

01:00:41.505 --> 01:00:44.775
And if you can cook it nutritiously,
you've, might've spend a bit of

01:00:44.775 --> 01:00:48.885
money to do it, but it's a huge, it's
a huge investment in your future.

01:00:48.885 --> 01:00:51.345
If things don't go well, absolutely.

01:00:51.375 --> 01:00:53.445
You can't just nip out and purchase it.

01:00:54.600 --> 01:00:56.010
I have some way to cover your backside.

01:00:56.220 --> 01:00:56.640
Totally.

01:00:57.690 --> 01:00:58.020
So then

01:00:58.020 --> 01:00:58.770
you've got skills.

01:00:59.130 --> 01:00:59.430
Okay.

01:00:59.430 --> 01:00:59.880
Skills.

01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:00.150
Yeah.

01:01:00.180 --> 01:01:01.050
So skills.

01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:04.080
This is something that needs
to be a continual improvement.

01:01:04.080 --> 01:01:05.100
You and I discussed this.

01:01:05.100 --> 01:01:08.790
So I'm just going to give a number of
headings for three people to think about.

01:01:08.790 --> 01:01:10.320
Can you do this or can't you do it?

01:01:11.130 --> 01:01:14.190
Um, I'll start with an
easy one navigation.

01:01:14.550 --> 01:01:15.840
Um, it was all goes well.

01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.460
I'll just use my phone as great.

01:01:17.460 --> 01:01:19.890
As long as the phone's working,
GPS is working everything else.

01:01:19.890 --> 01:01:23.700
But if you have to go from point
a to point B and maybe more,

01:01:24.120 --> 01:01:25.200
do you know how to navigate?

01:01:25.200 --> 01:01:26.430
Do you know how to read a map?

01:01:26.430 --> 01:01:29.160
Do you understand what the contour
lines are doing and the terrain

01:01:29.160 --> 01:01:32.520
and choosing different routes,
which is the best way to go?

01:01:32.520 --> 01:01:34.200
So that's one, another one.

01:01:34.200 --> 01:01:35.400
I would say fire lighting.

01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:36.990
That's something I love.

01:01:36.990 --> 01:01:40.260
I have a order of a fire at home
so I can have a log fire every

01:01:40.260 --> 01:01:44.580
night if I want to, but how to
light a fire if it's wet and rainy.

01:01:45.404 --> 01:01:46.845
The equipment that you've got to do it.

01:01:47.395 --> 01:01:50.595
How do you, how do you create spark
and how do you build that fire?

01:01:50.595 --> 01:01:53.475
How do you get ready to
get kindling and Tinder?

01:01:53.475 --> 01:01:55.875
And that build a fire?

01:01:56.355 --> 01:02:01.125
There's a famous thing that used to
teach us combat survival is the, I'd

01:02:01.125 --> 01:02:06.585
say the, uh, the first native keeps
happy sitting by the small fire keeps

01:02:06.585 --> 01:02:08.234
himself warm sitting by the small fire.

01:02:08.234 --> 01:02:13.095
Whereas the non first nations person keeps
himself warm, running around, collecting

01:02:13.095 --> 01:02:15.404
wood to keep this huge fire going.

01:02:15.975 --> 01:02:16.305
Yeah.

01:02:16.605 --> 01:02:17.714
Sweating like crazy.

01:02:17.745 --> 01:02:21.105
Whereas you don't need a huge
fire, but, but w we talked before

01:02:21.105 --> 01:02:22.455
you mentioned before having a.

01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:25.140
It can be the difference
between life and death.

01:02:25.170 --> 01:02:26.370
It's down under the skills.

01:02:26.370 --> 01:02:28.380
It's not under the top
three, but it's important.

01:02:28.740 --> 01:02:29.880
It gives you warmth.

01:02:29.970 --> 01:02:31.170
It gives you comfort.

01:02:31.290 --> 01:02:35.070
It's it's really, really grounding
effect of it's sitting around a fire

01:02:35.070 --> 01:02:39.090
anybody's ever done it with, with, uh,
you know, with, uh, smalls or something.

01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:41.970
They know how good it makes
you feel sitting by a fire.

01:02:42.029 --> 01:02:42.420
It's just

01:02:42.420 --> 01:02:44.220
some primal instinctual thing.

01:02:44.250 --> 01:02:49.680
But even if you don't need it
for warmth, all of a sudden

01:02:49.770 --> 01:02:51.870
everything just isn't as bad.

01:02:51.900 --> 01:02:54.690
When you get a fire going, all
of a sudden those noises that you

01:02:54.690 --> 01:02:56.340
hear in the dark, they're a little

01:02:56.340 --> 01:02:57.210
further away.

01:02:57.420 --> 01:02:57.600
Yeah.

01:02:57.600 --> 01:02:58.470
It keeps things away.

01:02:58.470 --> 01:02:59.850
It keeps nasty fires.

01:02:59.910 --> 01:03:00.509
It keeps it away.

01:03:00.570 --> 01:03:02.490
You could also use it for
drawing things as well.

01:03:02.490 --> 01:03:04.440
If you've got clothing, you need to dry.

01:03:05.040 --> 01:03:06.750
It's a psychological thing too.

01:03:07.170 --> 01:03:07.710
I know.

01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:08.720
Growing up, I.

01:03:09.855 --> 01:03:12.525
Lake a lot of people love making fires.

01:03:12.525 --> 01:03:14.085
I love being around fires.

01:03:14.085 --> 01:03:14.325
Right.

01:03:14.325 --> 01:03:16.955
And, um, talk to any firefighter.

01:03:17.055 --> 01:03:19.515
There's gotta be somebody
who likes taking fires.

01:03:20.055 --> 01:03:21.585
Uh, but I would challenge myself.

01:03:21.765 --> 01:03:25.785
I can, I make a fire out of and
just, you know, so it makes dry

01:03:25.785 --> 01:03:27.525
lumber really dry, so, okay.

01:03:27.525 --> 01:03:31.695
I can, can I do it with, um,
uh, this wetter wit okay.

01:03:31.695 --> 01:03:35.655
I can't, can I do it with a lighter,
can I do it with just one match?

01:03:35.685 --> 01:03:37.035
Can I do it without matches?

01:03:37.035 --> 01:03:39.015
Can I, and I'd, I'd play these games.

01:03:39.015 --> 01:03:40.485
Can I do it with a chemical ignition?

01:03:40.485 --> 01:03:41.865
Can I do with an electrical ignition?

01:03:41.865 --> 01:03:46.515
Can I, and just try all these different
ways of just trying to make a fire,

01:03:46.515 --> 01:03:50.775
whether it's a friction drill or
a plow, or what have you love it?

01:03:50.805 --> 01:03:57.285
And I think fire making as a skill,
I, I think that's not only just from

01:03:57.285 --> 01:04:03.225
cooking your food or from boiling your
water or from, uh, distilling or, um,

01:04:03.435 --> 01:04:04.905
drawing things out, keeping you with.

01:04:05.580 --> 01:04:09.600
But I think that psychological effect
of having a task at hand, that you're

01:04:09.600 --> 01:04:13.080
working on and then the reward of
sitting around that flickering light

01:04:13.080 --> 01:04:15.900
of the fire and the warmth is massive.

01:04:16.410 --> 01:04:18.870
I think it's actually a very
useful thing for someone who's.

01:04:19.140 --> 01:04:22.200
If they end up at a survivor situation
and someone says, I don't know how

01:04:22.200 --> 01:04:23.290
to do this, I don't know how to do.

01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:24.300
I don't know how to do anything.

01:04:24.450 --> 01:04:25.470
What can I do?

01:04:26.100 --> 01:04:28.560
Go around, walk around the, you know,
within a couple of hundred meters where

01:04:28.560 --> 01:04:33.030
we go and find some wood that we can
burn, that the strike that they've got

01:04:33.030 --> 01:04:37.260
a job at, they go away, they come back,
they feel engaged and we can now get

01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:38.940
warm and maybe cook something as well.

01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:39.810
Good point.

01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:41.280
That's a fight fire.

01:04:41.310 --> 01:04:44.940
That's one of those skills that's worth
looking at the next two, which you love

01:04:44.940 --> 01:04:46.920
hunting and fishing and Kim fishing.

01:04:47.775 --> 01:04:48.915
It's so useful.

01:04:49.035 --> 01:04:51.465
I mean, there are useful skills at
any time, but they're very useful.

01:04:51.465 --> 01:04:54.825
A lot of the equipment that you get
with both hunting and fishing have a

01:04:54.825 --> 01:04:58.305
lot of other purposes that they can be
used for whether it's growing plants and

01:04:58.305 --> 01:05:00.615
things or using twines or using ties.

01:05:00.915 --> 01:05:03.465
There's a lot of things, but if
you don't know how to hunt and you

01:05:03.465 --> 01:05:06.095
don't know how to fish, maybe think
about, maybe think about that.

01:05:06.095 --> 01:05:09.765
Maybe this is the, this is the summer,
maybe 20, 20 twos of the year where you

01:05:10.575 --> 01:05:14.145
register for a course, do some reading,
watch some videos and go and do a course

01:05:14.145 --> 01:05:15.404
with someone who knows what they're doing.

01:05:15.765 --> 01:05:16.185
Right.

01:05:16.275 --> 01:05:17.295
Really, really useful.

01:05:17.355 --> 01:05:19.275
And that's something you'll store away.

01:05:19.545 --> 01:05:23.535
And it's then a skill that you've
acquired was it's going to be too late.

01:05:24.105 --> 01:05:24.404
Right.

01:05:24.475 --> 01:05:24.855
Try and

01:05:24.855 --> 01:05:26.625
learn it when you need
to, how do I do this?

01:05:26.625 --> 01:05:28.634
How do I, oh yeah, you
haven't got time for that.

01:05:29.985 --> 01:05:33.825
Um, first aid, first aids
are really important.

01:05:33.825 --> 01:05:40.005
One, if somebody's with you fours, if
they've twisted their ankle or you're

01:05:40.005 --> 01:05:44.415
worried, or, you know, they've got a bad
cut or something, do you know what to do?

01:05:44.415 --> 01:05:46.154
Have you got the equipment
that comes in later with.

01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:50.640
Do you know what to do to help that
person, or maybe help yourself, do you

01:05:50.640 --> 01:05:53.730
know how to put a tourniquet on, do
you know what you need to think about?

01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:57.240
I mean, obviously in that situation,
if it's a severe injury, you'd love to

01:05:57.240 --> 01:05:59.730
then take them to the hospital, which
is what I hope you're gonna be able to

01:05:59.730 --> 01:06:01.650
do, but this might be a longer term.

01:06:01.650 --> 01:06:04.590
There are also some excellent,
some really good experts, online

01:06:04.590 --> 01:06:08.190
doctors, online and nurses that
are, that are, do survival books.

01:06:08.610 --> 01:06:12.150
That's something I mentioned, part the
equipment is books and videos and knowing

01:06:12.150 --> 01:06:14.550
what to look at, how do you do this thing?

01:06:14.550 --> 01:06:17.790
And there's a lot of natural plants and
things you can use out there as well.

01:06:17.850 --> 01:06:20.220
Again, a whole area of skillsets.

01:06:20.220 --> 01:06:24.720
People are good with plants that can be
used for a whole number of conditions.

01:06:24.750 --> 01:06:26.880
It's what a great
grandparents used to use.

01:06:27.270 --> 01:06:27.720
What they have.

01:06:28.410 --> 01:06:28.680
Yeah,

01:06:28.750 --> 01:06:34.410
I'm just starting to learn about, I mean,
my wife's a red seal chef and she's loves

01:06:34.410 --> 01:06:36.210
gardening and foraging and all the rest.

01:06:36.210 --> 01:06:37.319
And I always looked at foraging.

01:06:37.319 --> 01:06:38.250
Who'd want to do that.

01:06:38.250 --> 01:06:38.520
Right.

01:06:39.180 --> 01:06:42.870
And then I went out with, uh, with
Hank Shaw in the Sierra Nevada mountain

01:06:42.870 --> 01:06:44.490
range, doing some foraging with him.

01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:45.960
I'm like, this is actually pretty cool.

01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.629
I don't, I'm actually not,
I'm pretty good at it.

01:06:48.690 --> 01:06:52.020
Once people point me in the right
direction and tell me what sweat, but

01:06:52.020 --> 01:06:55.799
everywhere you look, when you're with
somebody like Hank, this is edible.

01:06:55.799 --> 01:06:56.549
Here's a muster.

01:06:56.549 --> 01:06:57.960
This'll, here's the type of garlic.

01:06:57.990 --> 01:07:02.640
Here's a wild onion and, uh,
here's mushrooms that you can

01:07:02.640 --> 01:07:03.839
eat and you're going to be fine.

01:07:05.055 --> 01:07:11.115
Uh, it made me realize that there's stuff
growing out of the cracks of our sidewalks

01:07:11.145 --> 01:07:15.435
that is edible and that we could, that
other people would just look at as weeds.

01:07:15.585 --> 01:07:15.765
Yeah.

01:07:15.825 --> 01:07:15.944
They

01:07:15.944 --> 01:07:16.815
don't even see it.

01:07:16.815 --> 01:07:17.685
It's, it's huge.

01:07:17.895 --> 01:07:21.285
And, uh, you know, you've probably
done more of that than I did.

01:07:21.285 --> 01:07:21.734
I did stuff.

01:07:21.734 --> 01:07:25.515
I tried to educate myself about
fund guide, but it's a huge subject.

01:07:25.544 --> 01:07:27.855
But if you particularly
with first nations, they've

01:07:27.855 --> 01:07:29.174
got such experience of it.

01:07:29.415 --> 01:07:33.105
Wherever you live in the world, look at
the fun guy that you have growing aware.

01:07:33.105 --> 01:07:33.585
Does it grow?

01:07:33.585 --> 01:07:36.734
It grows this part of the
forest, particularly prolific

01:07:36.734 --> 01:07:40.424
at this time of year, it grows
off the rotting part of this.

01:07:41.234 --> 01:07:42.975
And it's look above head height.

01:07:43.004 --> 01:07:45.915
Oh, it's there it isn't and it looks
like this, but don't have that one.

01:07:45.915 --> 01:07:48.765
And once you learn it, you see
someone who's good at foraging.

01:07:48.794 --> 01:07:51.645
They go out with a knapsack and
they come back with a load of food.

01:07:51.645 --> 01:07:52.935
It's like, they've been
to the supermarket.

01:07:53.085 --> 01:07:54.015
Oh, wow.

01:07:54.435 --> 01:07:55.845
Yeah, it's definitely cool.

01:07:55.845 --> 01:07:58.815
And with the fun guy, what
was an interesting one?

01:07:58.845 --> 01:08:00.734
There are some that will kill you.

01:08:01.665 --> 01:08:04.335
Most won't as a bunch of
their little making sick.

01:08:04.395 --> 01:08:04.634
Yeah.

01:08:05.174 --> 01:08:05.865
But you're still up here.

01:08:05.865 --> 01:08:06.165
Okay.

01:08:06.165 --> 01:08:08.585
You're going to live through it and
there's some out there that will be.

01:08:08.924 --> 01:08:09.105
And

01:08:09.105 --> 01:08:11.565
apparently allegedly there's
some that you could smoke for

01:08:11.565 --> 01:08:14.025
recreational purposes as well as

01:08:14.045 --> 01:08:14.835
apparently I've

01:08:14.835 --> 01:08:15.285
heard that.

01:08:16.154 --> 01:08:20.444
So anyway, so that's a talk about
first aid, growing vegetables, if

01:08:20.444 --> 01:08:23.625
you've ever had a great, if you can't
grow in a thing, learn how to do it.

01:08:23.654 --> 01:08:26.745
Even if you're in an apartment, you
know, learn what you can grow and what

01:08:26.745 --> 01:08:31.875
you can, the things out there that,
that work and learn what tools you need.

01:08:31.904 --> 01:08:36.615
Again, that's a whole subject about
what you need to do as far as gardening

01:08:36.705 --> 01:08:40.215
and make this make let's make 20, 22
of the year where you actually do grow

01:08:40.455 --> 01:08:46.305
some of your own lettuce or tomatoes
or zucchini, what grows fast and which

01:08:46.305 --> 01:08:50.234
parts of the yard or your garden or your
house, I've got the best places, give

01:08:50.234 --> 01:08:51.644
you the best chance to grow these things.

01:08:52.035 --> 01:08:53.505
Yeah, that's a good point.

01:08:53.505 --> 01:08:58.890
So there's a good, um, Food
preparation and preserving some

01:08:58.890 --> 01:09:00.480
people don't know how to boil an egg.

01:09:01.260 --> 01:09:06.330
They do need to know how to do some food
preparation and, and, uh, it's, you can't

01:09:06.330 --> 01:09:10.500
just pick the phone up and order in it
doesn't work like that and preserving

01:09:10.500 --> 01:09:14.580
food, whether it's pickled or whether
it's dry, he dehumidified and dried.

01:09:14.580 --> 01:09:16.980
And there's a whole range
of ways of doing it.

01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:22.470
Some great websites on how to do it, what
you've got lots of and, and how to do it.

01:09:22.590 --> 01:09:22.880
And

01:09:23.130 --> 01:09:27.690
there's some, and I'm surprised how
many people don't know how to can food.

01:09:28.140 --> 01:09:33.240
And I've looked at, I've seen some
YouTube videos and some really suspected

01:09:33.240 --> 01:09:38.910
type, uh, uh, tutorials on how to, how
to can your own food, which is only

01:09:38.910 --> 01:09:43.020
going to lead to bacteria growth in
some very unhealthy, unhappy people.

01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:46.020
But the process of it is
actually really, really simple.

01:09:46.020 --> 01:09:49.140
If you, if you just follow the
step-by-step through the numbers and.

01:09:49.995 --> 01:09:54.855
Um, and dehydrating and,
uh, like you say, preserving

01:09:54.855 --> 01:09:56.655
through salting or pickling that

01:09:56.655 --> 01:10:01.635
came ceilings and other great ones,
a great way to remove the oxygen.

01:10:01.635 --> 01:10:04.485
Now that's one of the th the light,
the light and the oxygen, how to

01:10:04.485 --> 01:10:06.345
store products would store things.

01:10:06.465 --> 01:10:09.255
Whether it's something like lentils or
things that are rice and things like that,

01:10:09.525 --> 01:10:13.215
store them in a plastic tote where the
heirs there's not getting in there, but

01:10:13.215 --> 01:10:14.505
then the light's not getting in there.

01:10:14.505 --> 01:10:18.555
It's in a food grade tub, you know,
there's this whole load of things you

01:10:18.555 --> 01:10:20.535
can do to give yourself lots of options.

01:10:22.005 --> 01:10:24.465
Um, but also I've got water purification.

01:10:24.465 --> 01:10:29.295
I mentioned briefly before it's a skill
set to learn what you need to do, how

01:10:29.295 --> 01:10:31.245
you can, how you can purify water.

01:10:31.245 --> 01:10:35.265
So you've got 10 gallons of water that
you think is drinkable because you

01:10:35.445 --> 01:10:39.795
got it off the roof of the house, or,
um, but how are you going to clean it?

01:10:39.825 --> 01:10:41.894
How are you going to actually
make it so you can drink it and

01:10:41.894 --> 01:10:43.125
not make yourself really sick?

01:10:44.265 --> 01:10:48.285
Um, and then knife and tool
sharpening, things like that.

01:10:48.285 --> 01:10:52.335
If you've got a knife or you've
got garbing implements or loppers

01:10:52.335 --> 01:10:56.505
or sores or whatever, once it's
blunt, what are you doing with it?

01:10:56.505 --> 01:10:58.095
And have you any idea how to do that?

01:10:58.095 --> 01:11:01.875
So these are all skillsets you can learn
and now's the time to be doing that.

01:11:01.875 --> 01:11:05.355
It doesn't have to be, it doesn't
have to be number one on your priority

01:11:05.355 --> 01:11:07.635
list, but these are all little
skillsets that you can pick up.

01:11:08.385 --> 01:11:08.865
I love it.

01:11:10.065 --> 01:11:16.275
Well, I'm looking at the time
right now and I'm conscious of the

01:11:16.275 --> 01:11:17.505
literacy time and of your time.

01:11:17.505 --> 01:11:17.805
Of course.

01:11:18.675 --> 01:11:20.175
And I'll put the question out there.

01:11:20.265 --> 01:11:25.785
If the listeners are interested in
learning more and having Hutch delve

01:11:25.785 --> 01:11:32.235
into in a deeper way, what he's covered
here today, because he's got one of his

01:11:32.235 --> 01:11:36.855
binders in front of him right now is
a wealth of information inside here.

01:11:37.365 --> 01:11:43.335
If their listeners are interested, let us
know in the comments, give an email over.

01:11:43.635 --> 01:11:46.395
And perhaps we can look at putting
some sort of a series together

01:11:46.395 --> 01:11:49.485
for silver Corp club members
where we, we really get into this.

01:11:50.145 --> 01:11:50.565
That sounds

01:11:50.565 --> 01:11:50.985
wonderful.

01:11:50.985 --> 01:11:53.325
Can I just do a wrap up and things go up?

01:11:53.325 --> 01:11:58.005
So my final thoughts, I would say,
think about getting your affairs

01:11:58.005 --> 01:12:04.785
in order weathering from, uh, um,
finances to acquiring skills that

01:12:04.785 --> 01:12:08.055
we talked about, create your own
emergency documents, binder that

01:12:08.055 --> 01:12:09.315
you can have, things like that.

01:12:10.065 --> 01:12:11.895
And then longer terms talk about tools.

01:12:11.895 --> 01:12:15.285
Equipment with an equipment section
would be a separate one, but

01:12:15.435 --> 01:12:16.695
above all, keep a sense of humor.

01:12:17.835 --> 01:12:19.695
Don't allow this to dominate your life.

01:12:19.695 --> 01:12:20.985
It can become a big part of it.

01:12:20.985 --> 01:12:24.855
As you get set up, keep learning
and help others, because it's very

01:12:24.855 --> 01:12:27.615
important that you're not too hard
on yourself, but help other people.

01:12:27.945 --> 01:12:31.035
It could be that the person who lived next
door to, you know, the old saying that it

01:12:31.035 --> 01:12:33.525
takes a village to raise a child right.

01:12:33.855 --> 01:12:35.745
In the future, we are social animal.

01:12:35.745 --> 01:12:39.345
And it's going to be the guy next door,
who you don't know particularly well,

01:12:39.645 --> 01:12:41.145
but he might have a really useful skill.

01:12:41.175 --> 01:12:43.725
He mean, might be the guy who does
the, your tool sharpening for you.

01:12:44.445 --> 01:12:47.535
He might be cleaning his water for
him or showing him how to do it.

01:12:47.565 --> 01:12:49.575
So be willing to work with people.

01:12:50.115 --> 01:12:52.845
And, uh, then I think
people can get through this.

01:12:53.385 --> 01:12:54.255
What is massive

01:12:55.485 --> 01:12:55.995
Hutch?

01:12:56.085 --> 01:12:59.115
Thank you very much for coming
on this silver Corp podcast.

01:12:59.145 --> 01:12:59.745
I really enjoy

01:12:59.785 --> 01:13:00.015
this.

01:13:00.015 --> 01:13:00.615
It's my pleasure.

01:13:00.615 --> 01:13:02.025
It's been great talking to you, Travis.