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Riccardo Stewart: Hey, I wanna
welcome you guys back to another

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episode of the A-W-M-N-F-L Podcast.

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My name is Ricardo
Stewart, and I'm your host.

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And I'm joined with my friend Zach
Miller, Sam Acho, and Jeff Lock.

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Um, if you guys have been following
along with this, last week we

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began to talk about one of the more
important NFL benefits that NFL

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players have, and that's the NFL 401k.

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And today I wanted to
talk about some more.

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I mean, we're not gonna have an
exhaustive list of benefits, but

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it's something that I know that most
players are not fully educated on, and

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that is what benefits do they have?

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When do they get these benefits?

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How does it benefit them
while they're playing?

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And then how do they benefit
when they're not playing?

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And I'm always joined, and I
never get sick of saying this.

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With guys who I get to work with and
over, over 20 years of NFL experience

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as well as financial expertise.

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And so I wanna be able to tackle
some of these questions about NFL

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benefits in hopes that it would be
able to help educate, um, and in some

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ways even inspire certain guys and
be like, Hey, there's, there's things

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I have access to so I could use.

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And so lemme start first with you, Sam.

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When you were in the locker room, how
did you hear about NFL benefits and,

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and were you properly educated in
terms of your, you know, experience?

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Sam Acho: When I was in the locker
room, Ricardo, my focus was on ball.

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I wanted to be the best football
player that I could possibly be.

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That was the goal, and so all of my
focus, at least the majority of my focus.

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During the season was how do I
be the best player I could be?

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Now, I did know about some of
the different NFL benefits that

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were negotiated, but when I heard
benefits, I was thinking things

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like tuition reimbursement, so I
went back and got my MBA when I was

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playing so I could use that benefit.

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Think of things like some
of the off season programs.

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They have like a masters in business
type of program, and so I'm like,

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okay, these are great benefits, and
I heard about the 401k and I kind

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of heard about the pension, but I
wasn't thinking about that at all.

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What I wish I would've known
is that with some of those

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investments, there were things that
I could have done that would've.

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Added to my bank account in the hundreds
of thousands, if not millions of dollars.

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So I got the very base minimum of, okay,
let me invest the full amount in my 401(k

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and then I just put it to bed and didn't
think about it, thinking that it would

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all be taken care of without realizing
there was so much more opportunity that I

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was missing out on that actually wouldn't
have taken that much more work from me.

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It would've just taken education and
really the right team to make it happen.

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Riccardo Stewart: I mean,
most, most NFL players, right?

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This is the first time
they've had a job, right?

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And there could be five years
in, there could be a 10 year vet.

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Even for those of us, myself
included, that has had like a career.

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You know, I was a pastor for years.

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I remember not knowing the benefits,
meaning I knew I had a 4 0 3 B, which

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would be equivalent of a 401k and
I, I was talking to one of the guys

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that ran on all of our benefits and
I was talking about what gym I was

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going to, and he goes, well, isn't
it nice that you get a chance to go

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for free considering how much you go?

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And I said, no, I pay X amount a
month to go to this particular gym.

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He goes, no.

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Part of your benefits is if you
go 15 times a month, it's free.

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I'm like, wait free, like
free, like free, free, free.

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And I had no idea because who
reads the the player manual?

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Who reads all of these things?

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Nobody.

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Because like you said, you
are thinking about ball.

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So

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Sam Acho: I'll say this,
Ricardo, real quick.

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I know you're going to him, but
the guy, you're about to ask

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the question, he reads them.

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'cause I've had some conversations
with Jeff Locke, the professor.

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I'm five years outta my NFL
I've played playing career.

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I'm 37 years old, so I'm just
finished at five year, uh, mark.

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And there are some different benefits
I didn't know about that I, I knew

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kind of on the ancillary, but Jeff
Locke hit me with all the details,

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so I apologize for interrupting.

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But you said who reads it.

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I know one guy who you're about to ask
the question to, who absolutely reads it.

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Riccardo Stewart: Jeff, since you
read 'em and you know them, and

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you are probably one of our better
experts on these NFL benefits.

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Um, give us some of the more
important ones, and maybe important

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is the wrong word, but just kind
of give us the ones that players

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definitely need to know about.

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And, and if, if there's any that
you want to drill down on, go ahead

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and, and talk about those as well.

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Jeff Locke: First funny
story to Sam's point.

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Um, when I was playing for the Vikings, I
was literally in the hot tub one day after

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our meeting and I was reading the books.

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We had just gotten from them about the
investment choices and so many guys

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walked by like, this guy's just different.

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Like, no one, no one reads
this stuff, but last episode we

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talked about the 401k, right?

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So that's one of the biggest ones.

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As a current player, you
gotta know what's going on.

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Maxing contributions, selecting
the right investments.

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There's another one called the Cap, right?

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Capital Accumulation Plan.

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It is essentially a second 401k
that you get in the NFL, right?

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You get access to it a little bit
later than your 401k, but you can

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also go select the investments.

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You don't put any of
your own money into it.

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The team puts money into it,
but you still gotta make sure

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it gets invested correctly.

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We see that missed all the time, right?

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Life insurance.

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As a current player, you get
life insurance on your own life.

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To pay out to your family if something
happened to you while you're playing.

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A lot of guys go out and buy
additional life insurance, too much

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life insurance out of their own
pocket 'cause they don't realize how

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much they have the NFL's paying for.

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And then one thing Zach's gonna
talk about here in a second line

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of duty and disability, right?

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You don't get access to that until you're
done playing, but while you're active

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player, it's extremely important that you
report your injuries when you get them.

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Hiding an injury in the NFL.

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Almost always the wrong thing to do
if you're trying to get paid later

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on and you can get paid for five plus
years when you're done playing monthly

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payments based on injuries you sustained.

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So as a current player, those are
like the big three that I think about.

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Riccardo Stewart: That's super helpful.

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That's super helpful.

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So Zach, as a eight year NFL vet, what
were some of the benefits that you had,

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no pun intended, benefited from in terms
of when you were playing and then now, uh,

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postcard, how many years out are, are you?

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Zach Miller: I am over a decade out now.

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Riccardo Stewart: Dang homie.

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Sam Acho: That's what
I'm about to say today.

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Zach Miller: hey, time is undefeated.

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so the biggest ones, I mean, I'll,
like I just added up all my benefits

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to get ready for this podcast.

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$2.4

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million in NFL benefits is how much
money like I accumulated from just all

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those things that you earn as a player.

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Your NFL benefits are a
part of your compensation.

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Not just the salary, not just what you
get on the field, not just the paychecks.

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So like that's a huge amount of money
and it should be like incorporated

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into your investment plan, into
your financial plan, all that.

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You can't ignore it.

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I mean, 2.4

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million should double and double again by
the time I start taking money out of it.

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So that's huge numbers.

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Just like Jeff said, I'm on line of duty.

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So lateral ankle reconstruction,
you get like a point system.

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Just keep track of your surgeries
and major injuries 'cause.

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The NFL makes it hard to qualify for line
of duty, so everyone gets hurt in the NFL.

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Keep track of those things because
when it comes time to claim that, I

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mean that's $54,000 a year that they
pay to me for seven and a half years.

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That if you don't keep track
of your injuries, the NFL

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teams will try not to pay you.

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Second thing, NFL tuition
reimbursement I literally made

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the NFL pay for my finance degree.

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That was like 50,000.

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And then I have a NFL Health Reimbursement
account, so you see that NFL HRA So I

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don't have the NFL insurance anymore.

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I have to pay.

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My own premiums out of
pocket for me for medical.

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So you can use that account.

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It's a cash account that anytime you have
anything medical, don't pay with your

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checking account, use that HRA account.

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'cause that's your money.

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You want to use that
as quickly as possible.

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'cause it's not an investment account, it
just sits there losing money to inflation.

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So those are the three big ones.

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Riccardo Stewart: Man, this is, this
is, uh, I hope this is helpful for you

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guys as, as the listeners, especially
as NFL athletes, um, as parents,

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wives, spouses, I mean, just to be
able to go, Hey, this is something

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we gotta, we gotta get ahold of.

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Jeff, just continuing to talk
more about these benefits in

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particular that they have.

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What's, what's something or a role
that your advisor should play?

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I mean, 'cause we come from
the family office model and so

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obviously we know about this.

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We we're talking about it.

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But what role should an NFL athlete
expect for his advisor to have in terms

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of not just the investing side, but
also the educating and equipping side?

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Jeff Locke: Yeah, you led the
witness here, like your advisor.

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Should be helping you manage and should
be educating you on your benefits period.

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If they're not, they're not doing
the job that you need them to do.

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Right?

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Two things happen in our industry.

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One advisors just don't have the
knowledge like a group of us do,

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right on the benefits to be able
to give you actual good advice.

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And two is some companies
that advisors work for.

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Literally don't allow their advisors
to advise on these benefits 'cause

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they're afraid to getting sued
for guys given the wrong advice.

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Right?

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So like you gotta find an advisor that
can actually help you advise on this.

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We've seen, we've had clients
come over from other advisors when

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they're done playing right, we look
back at their benefits, we look

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at what was not done, and we see
hundreds of thousands of dollars

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out the window that guys are never.

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Getting back because it wasn't
managed correctly in the first

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place on the investment side mostly.

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Or they're not taking advantage of all
the free benefits or the free matchings

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coming from the NFL and the clubs.

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And it takes a lot of knowledge,
a lot of expertise to be able

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to maximize all that value.

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Riccardo Stewart: Okay.

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Just to hear from the three of you
guys, you know, just coming from your

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own personal experience and that is
what tangible ways, and I know we've

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mentioned some of them, but what
tangible ways are your NFL benefits

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helping you right now in your life?

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Sam Acho: I would say for
me, if I can go first.

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Jeff Locke: Okay.

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Sam Acho: These last five years
after retiring from the NFL or

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not playing anymore, I haven't
officially announced a retirement.

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Somebody calls come holler at me.

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Um, but these last five years
I've been able to stay on the NFL,

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some of the NFL insurance plans.

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So like, I'm married, I
have four kids, right?

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We've had some health stuff
in our family that's real.

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And the fact that I'm still have
the, the insurance from the NFL.

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Zach Miller: the.

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Sam Acho: Paid for, essentially by the
NFL, negotiated through our collective

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bargaining agreement from the players.

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That's a benefit that we have.

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That's something that we chose as opposed
to, Hey, give me more salary in my pocket.

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Hey, I want more benefits so
I can have that down the line.

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That's something that I've personally
benefited from over these last

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several years, and even talking
with some of the guys who I've got

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a chance to to spend time with.

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I was calling the Cardinals preseason
games, talking with guys on the Cardinals

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who've played for a decade plus.

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They're asking me now.

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They're saying, Hey man, how,
how does that, that insurance

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work when I'm done playing?

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And hey, what happens when
I finish those five years?

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How does that work?

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So those are the benefits that I've
experienced, and those are the questions

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and the conversations that are happening
in the locker room with guys who we serve.

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Jeff Locke: And I'm, I'm
just ahead of Sam, right?

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My five years ended a
couple years back, so I was.

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Kicked off of the NFL fully
covering health insurance, but then

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there's two more things you can do.

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There's something that most
guys don't know about called

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the Dedicated Health Network.

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So I literally go weekly with my
wife for free to marriage counseling

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that the NFL fully pays for, right?

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If you know how to use this benefit
physical therapy on some of my injuries,

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punters do get hurt still in the NFL
I promise some of my PT fully covered

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vaccines physicals fully covered, right?

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Before you dip into the HRA, the health
reimbursement account Zach talked about,

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where then everything else gets covered.

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That's medical.

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So if I keep up the way that I'm working
out right now, staying healthy, right?

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I won't pay a single dollar in
medical costs for 25 years, right?

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Just based on the NFL
benefits that I have.

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But you gotta have a system.

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You gotta know how the systems work to
make sure you maximize the benefits.

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Riccardo Stewart: Jeff is,
is, is not working the system.

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He's using the system.

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Jeff Locke: Hey, when you read, when
you read the fine print, things happen.

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Riccardo Stewart: I love that, and
this all started in the hot tub anyway.

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Speaking of hot tub, Zach, what
benefits are you reaping right now?

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Zach Miller: Well, first of all, on
the NFL insurance, after five years

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you can keep it, but guess what?

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Those premiums are like 40 grand a year.

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If you have a family like that
40 grand a year, that's hard

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to find that value in that.

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So that's why you've gotta
start thinking about it.

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You know, once you're done playing,
you gotta have a plan there, uh,

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which we like to help out with.

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The one thing I wanted to say that that.

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A lot of guys don't use, and they
should use is the NFL Foundation will

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give matching grants and it's probably
one of the l least used things that

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we, we've earned as NFL players is.

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So, like I'm coaching my son's,
uh, flag football team and.

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I can get a matching grant of five grand.

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All I have to do is
fill out some paperwork.

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I donate five grand.

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The NFL matches the five grand.

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And so, um, there's a
lot of benefits there.

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And it's not just for coaching,
it's, it's to also to help out any

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program can be a community and social
justice and then a football program.

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So there's a couple different ones
that's on the NFL Foundation and we're

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happy to help any players navigate
that if they're, if they're looking

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to, uh, to contribute and then get
those matching grants from the NFL.

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Riccardo Stewart: It's good.

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I'm try to wrap this up.

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One a couple things.

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I heard one, Sam has not retired
yet, so if any NFL team is out

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there, you guys can get SAM two.

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Zach is going through the foundation
to get $5,000 to help coaching.

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If you get those kids free meals and RI
rides, don't get that Teddy Bridgewater.

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Okay?

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Don't get suspended, but, and
all seriousness here is there

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are a whole lot of benefits
that you have as an NFL athlete.

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These benefits is something you do need
to be educated on to be able to, you

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know, no pun intended, benefit your life.

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If you want more information on this,
you wanna talk with us and you wanna be

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educated more, please reach out to us.

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Our number is 6 0 2 9 8 9 5 0 2 2.