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Welcome everyone to Faith
and Purpose podcast.

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Each episode of this podcast contains the
personal testimony of an ordinary person

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transformed by an extraordinary God.

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My name is Kaelyn and I'm
here to introduce this podcast

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for my friend Jesse Duke.

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Jesse is a husband, father, author,
life recovery guide, lay counselor,

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and small group leader, but his
most important role is disciple.

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As a disciple of Jesus.

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Jesse created this podcast to help other
believers tell their faith stories.

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We'll be hearing the personal
testimonies of all sorts of people

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who have one thing in common,
Jesus has transformed their lives.

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Jesus used parables because he created
us to learn best through story.

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And as we listen to how God has worked
in others lives, we find encouragement

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and inspiration for our own faith walk.

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Whether you are already a believer or
just a curious seeker, we believe that

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as you listen to these stories, you will
be encouraged on your own faith journey.

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We are sure that God can speak to you
through one of these episodes and that you

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will see that our heavenly father truly
works all things together for our good.

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When we simply love and trust him.

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If you are currently going through a
trial, we believe that you will come

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to see that your troubles, heartbreaks,
and failures are not gravestones, but

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stepping stones into new life in Christ.

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Here's Jesse with today's guest.

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Kacy: welcome everybody to
Faith and Purpose Podcast.

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Today I'm very happy to have a new
friend, Casey Klima, to tell her story,

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and I'm really looking forward to it.

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How are you doing today, Casey?

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Jesse: I'm great.

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Thanks for having me, Jesse.

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Kacy: you just start wherever you
want to and give us your, Jesus story.

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Jesse: Yeah.

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I think my relationship with God
it started, when I was little, my

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parents brought me to Catholic church.

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I was baptized.

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I had my first communion.

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My mom's family was very involved
in this Catholic churches.

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My grandfather was a deacon.

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And so he was very involved.

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my mom grew up going to the same church.

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My dad, when they got
married in that church.

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they, they attended since I was a baby.

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And so I grew up probably the
first 10 years of my life going

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to Catholic church, to CCD.

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my favorite part about church was
singing because I love to sing.

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And so I would go to, mass and sing
and the women in front of me would

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turn around and they'd say, Oh,
you have such a beautiful voice.

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And I loved the singing, the hymns.

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I loved the, I even loved the
rituals of it, the tradition of it.

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you knew what you were
going to do every mass.

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It was pretty similar.

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You would kneel, you would
pray, you would hug you we would

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attend, their fundraisers and.

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I have good memories of those things.

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it was a good time.

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every Sunday, it was not the best
to get up so early and get ready.

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But I really, once I was
there, I was always happy.

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I saw my family.

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I saw our friends.

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it was a time where I have
good memories overall.

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I especially loved that my grandpa was
the one to, give me my first communion.

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That was exciting.

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I loved dressing up and
all that kind of thing.

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I just, I have good memories of that,
but unfortunately, that didn't last.

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What happened was my
grandparents got divorced.

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That set of grandparents that were
involved in that church and my grandmother

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left my grandfather for a woman that
we knew who also went to our church.

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That had been a long time family friends.

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And so the church did not.

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prove of this dynamic, when,
divorce into, a gay relationship.

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And so we stopped attending and
I just remember being sad, like,

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why can't I go, church, church.

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And my mom explained it to me a
little bit, as much as she could.

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I was 10 years old, around 10 at the time.

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And, yeah, it was hard.

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I just think that was the beginning of
something that, that really shaped the

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rest of my journey, because after that,
we did start attending another church.

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It's called Unity Church.

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And so I, we would go there and.

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We would only go about like once a
month because it was like an hour

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drive or maybe an hour and 15 drive.

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It was really far.

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There weren't many of them in
the Chicago area where I grew up.

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And so we would go and I
would go and I just hated it.

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I hated it.

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I hated it because I didn't like that.

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There was no, my familiar thing,
like where's the meal, where's

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the singing, like what I love.

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There was singing, but
it weren't songs I knew.

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Yeah.

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it was just totally different.

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It was like a woman, preaching
there was, it was small.

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There were only like 30 to 40 people
maybe in the service where i'm used

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to like over a hundred there was no
communion like their children's program.

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I felt was completely different
I was just like I don't like it,

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I would go my grandma would be
there Her partner would be there.

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My parents would be going my brother
would go You We would go to breakfast

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after, that was my favorite part of it,
going to breakfast after the service.

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yeah, we started attending that.

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We went there for a few years.

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And, in that church, it's
a very different teaching.

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Jesus was, like, in the church, they
had a cross and things like that and

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stained glass, but it wasn't at all,

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Familiar, like the
teaching was not the same.

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in this church, they did not teach sin.

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They did not teach hell.

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They're very, LGBTQ friendly, which is
why my family was drawn to going there.

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they, it was just very different.

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They didn't teach the same things, which
my mom, at the time was very, happy about.

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She told me around that time that
she never really believed in hell.

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She didn't understand why God
would send people to hell.

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she introduced me to things,
Miguel Don Ruiz, I think.

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I've literally forgotten so
many things, but he was like

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a writer on, like mindfulness.

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She started introducing me to
those kinds of spiritual authors.

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Neil Donald Walsh and his books,
Conversations with God, Eckhart Tolle came

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later, Power of Now, and, A New Earth.

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So I read all those.

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And I was really fascinated because
these people seem to have a really

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close relationship with God and heard
their voice, his voice, and I was

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like, I want to be able to do that.

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I want to hear God.

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I want to know what God says.

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Because God seems like a really cool
guy, like in these books, right?

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He's talking about love and, unity
and peace and how, he doesn't judge

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us, how he loves us unconditionally.

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and a lot of my focus turned away from
Jesus and toward God, this version of

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God that I was being taught in church
and through different books, literature,

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my parents, these kinds of things.

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it was also around that time, I
didn't know this until later, like

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recently, that my mom was learning like
meditation, even some psychic things

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like, meditating to contact spirits and
things with a neighbor with my aunt.

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I didn't know that this was going on
at the time, but they would go over

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there at night sometimes and, practice
these kinds of spiritual things.

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yeah, that was what shaped a
lot of my childhood after that.

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I will say like my grandfather,
never really got over the divorce.

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He was never okay with it.

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He never, I think he
forgave her at the end.

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I just don't think he ever got
over the feelings of betrayal

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and the hurt that cost him.

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So it was very hard as a
child to reconcile that.

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Divorce is, I think, traumatic to anybody.

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And even a grandparent's divorce
can be, traumatic to a child.

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the things you don't think about, right?

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But, because your whole family is
split, he felt like my parents and his

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other kids chose my grandma over him.

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Kacy: Mmhm.

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Jesse: when I look back, I really think
what happened is they chose, that.

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Lifestyle over God and what he felt,
he also felt like he was on that other

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side and not really, nobody really,
I think they empathize with him, but.

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Not to the point where they ever said
anything to their mom about and they never

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confronted her or anything about that.

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As far as I know, maybe they did.

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I don't know, but it didn't
seem like he felt like they did.

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and he, I was happy that, before he died,
I did get to spend a lot of time with him.

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he had brain cancer, unfortunately,
and he had to move in with us.

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Eventually, and, during those years,
or during that year, I, uh, got to

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take him to his treatments and things,
because I was in college at the time,

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and so he talked to me about his
conversion, actually, during that time,

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and I wasn't a Christian at that time,
but it really stuck with me, and he

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still had faith in Jesus at the end.

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He would build.

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He would make these crosses out of wood
and shells and he would give them away.

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that was a big hobby of his that he
really cared about even at the end.

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He wanted all his stuff to make
them still, even with brain cancer.

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yeah, he had a ton of Bibles.

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I only know this because I received one.

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And after reading it, and my aunt
says she still has Bibles of his.

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She's given one to every family in
our family to have a piece of him.

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And she still has more.

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So I'm like, yeah, that's a cool thing.

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Another thing is when I got his
Bible, there were little things in

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it, like his mother's obituary thing
and like little cards and prayers.

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And so it was really nice when I
opened it up and I would see these

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little things because I know that
they were important to him because

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he kept them in one of his Bibles.

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So another cool, fact.

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so back to.

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That area, like my mom, going to these,
my neighbor's thing, that neighbor

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actually did eventually become a psychic.

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And so she, would do readings and
my mom would get a reading from

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her and she offered me a reading.

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She's I'll pay for reading
for you if you'd like one.

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So I said, sure.

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So I got a reading and, that was my
first exposure to psychics was that.

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And of course it was somebody I
knew, so it didn't feel weird or.

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bad or negative in any way, it felt very
like comforting and familiar and she

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would say comforting things and I would
go to her once in a while, after my mom

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would usually I would buy her another
reading and when I was old enough, I

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would buy my own and um, she would say
comforting things about, my other grandma

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passed away, and I missed her so much.

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So not the one that I talked
about previously, but my dad's mom

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passed away and we were very close.

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So the idea of being able to get a
message from her was like super appealing

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and that's really what spurred on my
own interest in psychic mediumship was

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her passing because I really missed
her and I really wanted to know she

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was okay, wanted any messages from her.

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And yeah, I would, I didn't know
how to be a psychic, or anything.

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but interestingly enough,
around that time, we hadn't

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gone to church in many years.

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I was married at the time I'd
moved to Florida, I was done with

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college and we're, in Florida and I
actually did the Dave Ramsey program

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for paying off your debt and I was
really into it and he's a Christian.

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So again, I'm being thrown around.

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Different scriptures and things
on his podcast and in his lessons

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and financial peace university.

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And I even go to a church to
attend financial peace university

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and I really enjoyed it.

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And, it made me want
to go to church again.

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I was like, man, it's been so long.

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It makes me want to go to church again.

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I think there's something to this.

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I am paying off my debt.

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I feel like God is helping me
because you don't believe in God

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in this agnostic kind of way,
universalist kind of way at the time.

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So it's not that I don't believe.

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I just believe that it's this pantheistic.

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Kacy: Yeah.

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Jesse: I, so I start, looking around
for a church and I find a unity

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church that was unity that I hated,
but I'm like, now I'm an adult.

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And I'm like, I probably wouldn't
hate it anymore is my thinking.

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I probably wouldn't dislike it.

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I'm going to go try it by myself.

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Do what I think.

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So I go and I attend the service and.

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Everybody was super nice and the minister
was a woman and she like, I spoke to

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her after and she was really great.

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I got a good feeling.

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So I go back and I told my
husband, I'm like, look, I found

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a, a church I want to go to.

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You don't have to come, but
I think you might like it.

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Cause his mother, my husband at the
time, his mother was also into a course

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of miracles and these kinds of things.

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So we had grown up very similarly.

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To each other.

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And that was something I was so excited
about when I met him was, Oh, we have

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similar beliefs and I don't have to
feel like he's trying to convert me to

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Christianity or I'm trying to convert
him into what I believe it felt very

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like natural to talk about God and things
we never argued or things like that.

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And I thought, Oh, you might like
this, So he ends up coming with me.

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And he likes it.

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And then before I know it, my mom
and dad are coming with me and my

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brother's coming with me and we're
all going to church again, do another

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unity in Florida and it feels good.

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The minister and I become friends.

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I think they go by spirit.

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She went by spiritual leader or something.

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in unity, it's a similar
structure to a church.

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they identify as a church
body and everything like that.

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But they talk about energy,
meditation, they bring in a lot of

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Hindu beliefs into their services.

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They will talk about the Bible,
but it's more like a verse here,

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a verse there, what Christians
might call cherry picking verses.

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They don't really go into depth about
the context of the verse, they just talk

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about a verse that fits their sermon or
their message, the message of the day.

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Another thing she was
into was science of mind.

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So they'll bring in that devotional
kind of thing into the service.

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she would read from that.

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So I became pretty familiar with
different, look at what I would

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call today, new age authors or
writers, even once we passed on.

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and I became friends with
the spiritual leaders.

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So I go to her house and we would chat
and talk about God and I would, she would

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host workshops and I would go to them.

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I became friends with a lot of people that
went there and then came a time for her

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to decide if she wanted to stay at unity.

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She was like a substitute.

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or there are more permanent position,
or she wanted to leave on move,

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move or do a different thing.

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And she was also a life coach, so the
life coaching, she introduced me to life

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coaching, which is important for later.

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So, because I would do some
of her life coaching programs.

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So, what ended up happening was.

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They broke apart.

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So unity said, we're willing to pay you
this much and she was like, no I'm not

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going to take that deal or that job.

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And so she said, you
know instead of Stopping.

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What if we started our own spiritual
center on the island and we start our own

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spiritual center and we do that because
I'm not really wanting to continue with

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unity because they're going to make me
become a unity Minister by attending

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these courses and all these things which
I don't really am not interested in doing

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and she explained it She had her own
reasons for not wanting to do it in short.

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I was like, okay She's like, would you
like to help me start a spiritual center?

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And I was like, yeah, sure Why not?

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So me and my husband and my family we
started Helping her build a system like

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a nonprofit, we do the nonprofit steps,
my husband at the time, he eventually

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became the president of the organization.

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I was a board member, and so we had
meetings and, we would talk about

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what do we want this to look like?

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who did we want to.

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have in our spiritual center and she's,
she really wanted to move away from more

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of the Christian practices and move into
more of a open, like a more open belief.

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even less, he's not very rigid,
but even less that and more open.

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Is that she was talking about and I
was like, sure, that sounds awesome.

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whatever I can do.

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So I became really involved in that.

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But then the pandemic hit.

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and so our in person services, all that
kind of stuff had to stop and, it was

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2019 2020, we moved our services online.

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We did it on Facebook lives.

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They might still be doing Facebook,
but I have actually no idea.

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I'm not a little longer
involved, obviously, but.

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At the time, we would do it online.

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yeah, so that was where I was
right before things got really.

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Dark for me, yeah.

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Because what happened next was it,
this all seems very like light and

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fun and airy and not at all dark
or not at all, satanic in any way.

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but this is what I want to talk about
is like how starting out like in a

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very like non threatening spaces can
eventually lead to a very scary place.

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So that's why I'm painting this picture
of how things were, even though I,

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it doesn't, but it never stops there.

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It was my experience.

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And so it just continues and it builds
and it builds until you decide to stop.

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And so what happened next for me
was, I want to do my own business.

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So I started, buying a ton of
courses about, Online marketing

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and doing online business.

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I'm a speech language pathologist.

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I wanted to do a business versus other
speech language pathologists to help a

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certain niche of client that I felt very
comfortable with thanks to my schooling.

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And so I was like, I want to help.

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I want to have more freedom.

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I want to have more income.

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I, I really was ambitious.

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It's very ambitious, especially for money.

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I was paying off my debt.

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I was really into like my finances
and managing them, controlling them.

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And so I was like, I really
want to do an online business.

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I'm going to use my skills.

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I'm going to learn everything I
can about doing an online business.

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And I just ordered so much.

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I paid off my debt at that time.

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So I poured all this money into
learning this stuff and I learned

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on the online space on Facebook.

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There's a ton of spiritual
business, a ton of life coaching

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and a ton of psychic medium stuff.

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And I just got roped into it, cause I
was already open to it and I was already

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into it already hiring psychics, the
fact that there were psychics online.

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The fact that there were teachers
online and how to do this stuff,

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there were life coaches, like the
one I'd already worked with on there.

00:20:07.414 --> 00:20:10.274
sure there was business and a
lot of them roped in spirituality

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and business at the same time.

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Of course, it's very appealing.

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I was into like Tony Robbins
and all these things.

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So it's like.

00:20:17.204 --> 00:20:21.764
he's not, a Christian, he's more like
what I was, and I was like, yeah, positive

00:20:21.804 --> 00:20:26.834
thinking manifestation, I want to manifest
my business, I'm going to manifest my

00:20:26.834 --> 00:20:31.324
business by thinking positively and doing
little, maybe little rituals, if you will.

00:20:31.664 --> 00:20:35.824
I eventually like Oracle cards,
which are not on my hero cards.

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And I would, use them for business and
I had my own business clients eventually

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and my own, people want to start private
practices and my business was growing.

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So I was getting these clients
and I started to see that a lot

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of them loved the spiritual stuff.

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Like I was doing business coaching
first and I was doing the speech

00:20:54.349 --> 00:20:59.109
therapy stuff first, but eventually
I found that the desire was like,

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it was there, but not like a lot.

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Not like these people I was hiring
who had hundreds of thousands

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of dollars of income in a year.

00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:09.369
I was like making like maybe 4,
000, 5, 000 a month and I was like,

00:21:09.369 --> 00:21:11.349
man, I wanted, I want to do more.

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So I was watching what they were
doing and a lot of them were doing

00:21:15.009 --> 00:21:16.969
business coaching on a larger scale.

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A lot of times with the mindset,
the more spiritual overtone.

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And so I was like, okay, I'm
going to start to emulate that

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and hire people like that.

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and yeah, I took a manifestation course.

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I was like, this is a lot
like what I already know.

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I already been growing
up with all this stuff.

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I already, I was like, man, I know
more than some of these teachers do on

00:21:40.984 --> 00:21:42.854
this stuff because of how I was raised.

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So it's yeah, I could do this.

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this is what people want to know.

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okay.

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So I started marketing myself
as a, mindset or manifestation

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coach, a spiritual coach.

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And I started to do my own, mediumship
at home with myself or my close friends.

00:21:58.984 --> 00:22:03.094
the spiritual leader, my mom,
like I started to do more like

00:22:03.524 --> 00:22:05.024
trying to see, could I contact.

00:22:06.234 --> 00:22:08.764
The, passed on, could I be accurate?

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I totally believed it.

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And I think that's where some
Christian authors get it wrong.

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I've read since, you know, the last
few years, I've read some books on

00:22:18.974 --> 00:22:22.424
Christians who talk about mediums and
psychics, and a lot of them believe that

00:22:22.424 --> 00:22:25.714
we're just making it up, that we're,
that they are, I'm not one of them

00:22:25.714 --> 00:22:30.904
anymore, but they are making it up that
they are, Just like imagining it, but

00:22:30.964 --> 00:22:35.174
they have really strong imaginations
or that, they're just making money.

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That's not it.

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Like a lot of psychics do it for free.

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they just genuinely enjoy it.

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It's not about the money all the time.

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Sometimes it is.

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Usually it's a part of it, but
it's not usually the whole thing.

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I think what's appealing
is it's like a high.

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It's like you feel high, like I used to
call it spirit high, you would feel like

00:22:56.169 --> 00:23:00.589
you're contacting with unknown secret
knowledge and it was like addictive

00:23:01.339 --> 00:23:01.669
Kacy: Yeah.

00:23:01.829 --> 00:23:04.309
Jesse: okay, they could tell you
something about this and they

00:23:04.309 --> 00:23:06.499
could tell you something else.

00:23:06.949 --> 00:23:11.839
And like, how could you not become rich
if you could access the secret knowledge?

00:23:11.929 --> 00:23:16.209
How could you not be successful if you
can access the secret knowledge from

00:23:16.209 --> 00:23:20.139
these spirits, So I didn't really see
myself as contacting only dead people.

00:23:20.569 --> 00:23:26.049
I saw myself as contacting what I
would call spiritual guides or, God

00:23:26.049 --> 00:23:31.339
himself, Gaia, all these things I saw
myself as being able to connect with

00:23:31.879 --> 00:23:36.092
even things like Jesus, okay, like
I'm open to Jesus talking to me is

00:23:36.092 --> 00:23:37.699
what I would think I'm open to that.

00:23:38.029 --> 00:23:41.489
Buddha, Jesus, and you would do these
Oracle cards and you would flip a card

00:23:41.499 --> 00:23:43.389
and it would have Buddha or it would have.

00:23:44.059 --> 00:23:48.629
a Hindu god or goddess or it would
have a Virgin Mary or something and

00:23:48.629 --> 00:23:51.589
you'd be like, oh, that's who's talking
to me or that's, this is the message

00:23:51.609 --> 00:23:55.459
that they're giving me the message is,
something extremely unbiblical usually.

00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:58.349
So it's, very addictive.

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I would say, I would buy
more and more sets of cards.

00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:05.789
I would get, I would start
like selling my own reading.

00:24:09.099 --> 00:24:09.719
It was just,

00:24:10.139 --> 00:24:13.539
like this, it's almost like an
LLM, So it's like a multi level,

00:24:14.199 --> 00:24:15.219
Pyramids game kind of thing.

00:24:15.269 --> 00:24:17.739
It's which they hate coaches
hate when I say this, but

00:24:17.739 --> 00:24:18.909
it's true because I was in it.

00:24:19.009 --> 00:24:22.259
It's you're a bottom
tier coach or whatever.

00:24:22.569 --> 00:24:24.419
And then you hire a coach above you.

00:24:24.969 --> 00:24:28.339
And then it's then you get to
their level and they go up.

00:24:28.399 --> 00:24:32.089
And then it, cause over time, if
you keep marketing and growing a

00:24:32.179 --> 00:24:37.449
following online, you can eventually
make more and more, you get better

00:24:37.449 --> 00:24:39.959
at selling a lot of it's like sales.

00:24:41.384 --> 00:24:45.014
Which is not, I would try to make it
spiritual, but at the end of the day,

00:24:45.024 --> 00:24:46.674
it's just selling it's just sales.

00:24:46.734 --> 00:24:50.764
Like I would think Oh, if I go
on at this time, maybe it's just

00:24:50.764 --> 00:24:52.124
like weird stuff I would do.

00:24:52.594 --> 00:24:53.724
but yeah, I was kept higher.

00:24:53.774 --> 00:24:55.364
I'm just saying I kept spending money.

00:24:56.494 --> 00:25:01.654
I was in reinvesting in my business,
but it was more reinvesting in coaching.

00:25:01.954 --> 00:25:03.974
Not so much like hiring people.

00:25:03.974 --> 00:25:04.914
I did end up hiring.

00:25:04.924 --> 00:25:08.754
Maybe I think I heard one
person once for my social media,

00:25:08.784 --> 00:25:09.904
but I didn't last very long.

00:25:11.529 --> 00:25:13.559
I was almost burnt out at that point.

00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:17.539
But, during the high of my
spiritual business, I was doing

00:25:17.539 --> 00:25:21.229
the manifestation and I did a
meditation in a free Facebook group.

00:25:21.229 --> 00:25:27.079
I was running, and I noticed
when I did the meditation, I

00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:29.569
got $10,000 out of nowhere.

00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:32.509
Like literally, like I
got, I was gifted 5,000.

00:25:33.019 --> 00:25:39.394
I had sold like $5,000 worth of things
online, and I got $10,000 within 30 days.

00:25:40.374 --> 00:25:43.844
And I was like, wow, maybe this
meditation is the reason I got that money.

00:25:44.334 --> 00:25:50.014
So I did the same meditation on my
Facebook group live and people watched it.

00:25:50.244 --> 00:25:55.744
And within 28 days between every,
I had a group of about 200 people.

00:25:56.264 --> 00:26:00.904
they had quote unquote manifested a
million dollars from that meditation

00:26:01.054 --> 00:26:02.354
and they credit it to the meditation.

00:26:02.364 --> 00:26:05.684
It wasn't like, regular income
they were making, they were

00:26:05.684 --> 00:26:07.114
talking about, it was like gifts.

00:26:07.579 --> 00:26:08.499
It was like stocks.

00:26:08.739 --> 00:26:09.559
It was a business.

00:26:09.909 --> 00:26:13.689
Somebody launched a business and
it took off, an unrelated business.

00:26:14.259 --> 00:26:19.239
So it was like, I was like,
this is real, this is real.

00:26:19.589 --> 00:26:20.999
I am onto something.

00:26:21.449 --> 00:26:24.089
So I started doing,
marketing myself like that.

00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:24.509
Okay.

00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:28.859
I know how to make you money,
which is very appealing to people.

00:26:29.539 --> 00:26:31.699
very easy to sell that.

00:26:32.989 --> 00:26:36.749
And so I started to really, I
was having like 15, 000 a month.

00:26:37.644 --> 00:26:41.354
Just from my online business,
not including my speech therapy.

00:26:42.824 --> 00:26:46.174
So what ended up happening was I
wanted to leave speech therapy because

00:26:46.174 --> 00:26:47.294
I was like, I don't need it anymore.

00:26:47.534 --> 00:26:48.724
I don't need to do this.

00:26:49.114 --> 00:26:49.874
So I quit.

00:26:51.114 --> 00:26:55.734
I just devoted myself all to this
stuff, just to like my own spiritual

00:26:55.734 --> 00:27:00.464
development, to my business, to
manifestation, all that stuff.

00:27:01.184 --> 00:27:05.064
So all in four months, this is
all happening, like literally.

00:27:05.304 --> 00:27:08.804
And then during that time, cause
it's just things were chaotic.

00:27:09.264 --> 00:27:12.074
I asked, I got really into twin flames.

00:27:12.574 --> 00:27:17.284
Which is this belief that you have a
soulmate that's like more than a soulmate.

00:27:17.424 --> 00:27:21.554
Like you have a person out there
that's like a perfect match.

00:27:21.574 --> 00:27:24.164
It's like a half of your
soul is this other person.

00:27:24.234 --> 00:27:27.794
And if you're together, then
it's like nothing can stop you.

00:27:27.844 --> 00:27:29.964
Basically you become unstoppable couple.

00:27:30.489 --> 00:27:32.429
like, Oh, that's not my husband.

00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.329
So I literally asked for a
separation during that time.

00:27:36.379 --> 00:27:39.799
Convinced because all the cards
were telling me all my messages

00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:44.009
were telling me all my Oh, this
isn't, this guy's not for you.

00:27:45.254 --> 00:27:49.524
And I would accuse him of not
supporting me, and not being there

00:27:49.524 --> 00:27:51.264
for me, not believing what I believed.

00:27:51.304 --> 00:27:54.064
Cause I was getting
into more of this stuff.

00:27:54.394 --> 00:27:56.604
And he was like, what happened?

00:27:56.774 --> 00:27:57.534
what happened?

00:27:58.344 --> 00:28:03.494
And so I asked for separation, he's
hurt and moves away with my dog.

00:28:03.764 --> 00:28:06.264
and so I'm going through all that
during this four month period with

00:28:06.264 --> 00:28:09.444
all these trips and all these, this
money and all this, it was just crazy.

00:28:10.904 --> 00:28:12.854
And, I'm like on a weird.

00:28:13.629 --> 00:28:17.129
During that time, it was like, I would
wake up in the middle of the night

00:28:17.129 --> 00:28:21.799
terrified, like I would see things
in the corner of my eye, I had a frog

00:28:21.819 --> 00:28:26.469
infestation, weirdly enough, I would have
frogs, on my door, getting into my house

00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:32.179
every day, they would just be drawn to my
house, tons of them, little tree frogs.

00:28:33.099 --> 00:28:35.109
And I was like, what in the world?

00:28:35.399 --> 00:28:37.309
I, nobody could tell me what was going on.

00:28:37.369 --> 00:28:41.009
Like I would ask other psychics,
like, why are frogs drawn to me?

00:28:41.349 --> 00:28:45.459
Can you tell me, I, also had, a candle
incident where I'd made this candle

00:28:45.459 --> 00:28:50.249
in a spiritual way and I had dried
flowers and I was doing a reading or

00:28:50.249 --> 00:28:53.349
something in the other room and I come
back and I have a, the smoke alarms

00:28:53.399 --> 00:28:59.269
going off and my whole, candle's on
fire and it's just burning, Like crazy.

00:28:59.429 --> 00:29:04.579
And I take a blanket and I try to put
it out and it fell onto the carpet.

00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:06.729
And I remove it outside.

00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:11.229
I literally almost burned my house
down and it was really scary and

00:29:11.229 --> 00:29:17.819
I opened the door and a bird flies
in my door and I'm like, what?

00:29:17.889 --> 00:29:20.169
I just had a fire and a
bird is flying in my door.

00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.809
Okay, and I think it's meaningful.

00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:25.919
obviously, I think it's
meaningful something.

00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:32.946
Everything means everything when you're
in  that so  I look down at the carpet

00:29:33.196 --> 00:29:39.606
and in the carpet is a star pentagram
from the burn marks of my candle

00:29:40.326 --> 00:29:43.456
and I was like, what in the world?

00:29:43.536 --> 00:29:44.886
I wasn't into witchcraft.

00:29:45.086 --> 00:29:50.226
I didn't think I wasn't
identifying that way at that time.

00:29:50.236 --> 00:29:51.066
And I was like.

00:29:51.741 --> 00:29:53.531
There's a pentagram in my carpet.

00:29:54.141 --> 00:29:58.961
Okay, so I was really freaked out
and that time things really started

00:29:58.961 --> 00:30:03.811
to ramp up like at night, things
would fall off my walls, like paint,

00:30:03.891 --> 00:30:05.761
like paintings or different things.

00:30:06.421 --> 00:30:09.541
Especially if they were related to my
marriage, they would start falling.

00:30:10.051 --> 00:30:12.321
things would move in my room on their own.

00:30:13.111 --> 00:30:15.201
I never saw anything levitate
or anything like that.

00:30:15.401 --> 00:30:17.721
It was more like they would
just shuffle across the floor.

00:30:17.811 --> 00:30:20.351
And that had actually been happening
to me since I was in college.

00:30:20.781 --> 00:30:24.601
I would hear things move around in my
room at night, especially after I turn

00:30:24.601 --> 00:30:29.641
off the lights, get in bed, I would hear
things moving in my room on their own.

00:30:30.101 --> 00:30:32.801
But I could never tell what
it was or what was doing it.

00:30:33.221 --> 00:30:36.221
And, so yeah, that was definitely
going on at that time a lot.

00:30:36.781 --> 00:30:40.021
and I ended up getting a dog
cause I was so freaked out.

00:30:40.411 --> 00:30:40.731
I was.

00:30:41.396 --> 00:30:45.836
And I was so depressed, I was like,
I need something because even though

00:30:45.836 --> 00:30:49.306
all this great stuff was happening,
I was going through a divorce, I

00:30:49.306 --> 00:30:51.076
was like, it was headed that way.

00:30:51.076 --> 00:30:53.286
It seemed it was just hard.

00:30:53.886 --> 00:31:00.016
and so I ended up trying to get back
together with my husband and I say, you

00:31:00.016 --> 00:31:03.656
look like I don't think that right of me.

00:31:03.666 --> 00:31:08.536
I think you should come back and
we can try to make this work.

00:31:08.946 --> 00:31:10.016
And so he does come back.

00:31:10.461 --> 00:31:13.721
He doesn't want to, but he
does, and he's angry at me.

00:31:13.721 --> 00:31:17.991
And the day he comes back, I'm
going to, I'm literally leaving

00:31:18.001 --> 00:31:19.881
the house that we lived in.

00:31:19.891 --> 00:31:20.821
He's coming back to the house.

00:31:20.821 --> 00:31:21.971
He's driving in the neighborhood.

00:31:22.021 --> 00:31:26.941
I'm leaving at the same time, and I'm
going to do my first in person mediumship.

00:31:28.641 --> 00:31:32.831
somebody had hired me to do a reading
for her and her friends for some like

00:31:32.861 --> 00:31:34.301
bachelorette or, some kind of party.

00:31:35.201 --> 00:31:37.241
And so I was literally going to do that.

00:31:39.066 --> 00:31:42.546
He's coming at and I'm like, look, I
have to go and I'm all dressed up like

00:31:42.556 --> 00:31:47.826
hair, makeup, dress, and he looks at
me and he's just Oh, what have I done?

00:31:48.516 --> 00:31:49.976
He looks at me like, what have I done?

00:31:52.266 --> 00:31:53.966
It's still going on, obviously.

00:31:54.616 --> 00:31:57.646
So I leave and I do the reading,
I come back and he's just mad.

00:31:57.726 --> 00:32:03.716
And we tried to work it out and I,
it just, yeah, he ended up leaving.

00:32:03.996 --> 00:32:05.726
He did not stay with me.

00:32:05.876 --> 00:32:07.756
even though I wanted to
be with him, I even hired.

00:32:08.226 --> 00:32:12.276
marriage coach, cause there's coaches for
everything, but I hired a marriage coach.

00:32:12.276 --> 00:32:17.816
I was like doing everything I could to
like, make it work, after asking to leave.

00:32:18.146 --> 00:32:24.406
And but it just didn't, it didn't stay,
he ended up why he wanted to end things.

00:32:24.566 --> 00:32:28.906
He actually, I find it found out
he had hired a psychic and that

00:32:28.906 --> 00:32:31.406
psychic told him we were over.

00:32:32.486 --> 00:32:36.056
And, that's what made the
final decision for him.

00:32:36.416 --> 00:32:37.636
But I didn't even know he'd hired her.

00:32:37.666 --> 00:32:39.466
I didn't even know this was going on.

00:32:40.646 --> 00:32:41.126
yeah.

00:32:41.666 --> 00:32:43.236
I, didn't know what to say to that.

00:32:44.696 --> 00:32:47.636
What do you say when you're a
psychic and somebody's a psychic

00:32:47.726 --> 00:32:49.176
told me not to be with you?

00:32:49.276 --> 00:32:50.066
what do you say to that?

00:32:51.426 --> 00:32:51.816
yeah.

00:32:52.226 --> 00:32:53.286
Really messed up.

00:32:53.906 --> 00:32:55.176
so we end up getting a divorce.

00:32:55.176 --> 00:32:59.546
And, At this time, the guy I
thought who maybe was my twin

00:32:59.546 --> 00:33:00.866
flame was definitely not.

00:33:01.166 --> 00:33:02.916
That was a lie, of course.

00:33:02.956 --> 00:33:05.206
And, but I'm still thinking
my twin flame's out there.

00:33:05.216 --> 00:33:07.956
I'm like, okay, God did this because
I'm supposed to be with somebody else.

00:33:08.336 --> 00:33:09.686
This was obviously the plan.

00:33:09.736 --> 00:33:10.726
I'm going to be fine.

00:33:10.846 --> 00:33:13.416
I'm going to, find somebody, else.

00:33:14.396 --> 00:33:16.826
And, but I'm like too
depressed to date for a while.

00:33:16.886 --> 00:33:18.676
I actually move out of my house.

00:33:18.906 --> 00:33:20.116
I move in with my parents.

00:33:20.856 --> 00:33:23.136
I, my business is not making any money.

00:33:23.626 --> 00:33:25.506
I'm too depressed to do any marketing.

00:33:26.096 --> 00:33:27.836
I don't even want any clients.

00:33:28.506 --> 00:33:30.286
I don't have a job because I quit that.

00:33:30.966 --> 00:33:33.766
So I'm like, Oh, things
are, I have savings.

00:33:33.906 --> 00:33:34.776
So I was like, I'm fine.

00:33:34.786 --> 00:33:35.776
I have a lot of savings.

00:33:35.776 --> 00:33:37.866
I can just live off that,
And that's what I do.

00:33:38.746 --> 00:33:40.836
and I don't have any bills
if I live with my parents.

00:33:40.876 --> 00:33:44.646
So I could float on for a
while like that and I can just.

00:33:45.381 --> 00:33:50.861
Try to be inspired again by this work,
and I'm just really upset at that time

00:33:50.861 --> 00:33:52.501
with doing my own readings for myself.

00:33:53.111 --> 00:33:55.601
And he was trying to figure
out what I'm supposed to do.

00:33:55.931 --> 00:33:57.581
I have no idea what I'm supposed to do.

00:33:58.211 --> 00:33:59.651
and so I.

00:34:00.891 --> 00:34:03.061
And, being interested in dating again and.

00:34:03.651 --> 00:34:11.131
Get on the dating apps and I then meet my
now husband, which is a totally different

00:34:11.131 --> 00:34:13.011
story, but that's what's going on.

00:34:13.976 --> 00:34:17.136
and I get into, because I have
nothing to do and because I'm not

00:34:17.136 --> 00:34:22.756
really doing anything, I, get really
involved in an online group of a woman

00:34:23.146 --> 00:34:27.416
who my old coaches who are mediums
would say it's too dark for them.

00:34:28.106 --> 00:34:33.866
She's too dark, like bad energy, bad
vibes, whatever you want to call it.

00:34:33.866 --> 00:34:41.866
She gives bad energy and I start in her
group and she, and I begin talking and she

00:34:41.866 --> 00:34:49.086
notices How accurate my predictions are
how accurate I am with my psychic skills

00:34:49.086 --> 00:34:51.016
or whatever you want to call it and how?

00:34:53.816 --> 00:34:58.456
How I have so many spiritual experiences
right because I have stuff like

00:34:58.536 --> 00:35:02.946
flying off the wall Like I have stuff
going on every day like the spiritual

00:35:02.956 --> 00:35:06.906
stuff and it kind of people are
interested in that they are intrigued.

00:35:07.836 --> 00:35:14.476
So she Is interested in me and
we start talking and I hire

00:35:14.476 --> 00:35:16.676
her, I have no money coming in.

00:35:16.706 --> 00:35:17.626
I'm like, I'm going to hire her.

00:35:17.626 --> 00:35:18.776
It's but you're hail Mary.

00:35:18.806 --> 00:35:20.376
if this doesn't work,
nothing's going to work.

00:35:20.916 --> 00:35:26.006
And we end up trying to do a
business together and a podcast

00:35:26.396 --> 00:35:27.446
together and all these things.

00:35:27.446 --> 00:35:29.966
And we're really into
the twin flame stuff.

00:35:30.016 --> 00:35:31.156
I have my new relationship.

00:35:31.156 --> 00:35:32.616
She has her relationship.

00:35:32.976 --> 00:35:36.256
We're talking about
synchronicities, which is like.

00:35:36.646 --> 00:35:41.546
young Ian kind of way of thinking about
the world, like your internals reflected

00:35:41.546 --> 00:35:45.276
in the external and vice versa and
everything's connected and everything's

00:35:45.336 --> 00:35:50.046
meaningful and everything has everything
to sign like a license plate would be like

00:35:50.076 --> 00:35:54.786
a sign and we would write it down and then
this would be a sign and then this and

00:35:54.786 --> 00:35:59.906
then we would try to make it all fit into
some kind of message and we would do that

00:35:59.906 --> 00:36:03.096
together so she would get something and
then I would get something we would share

00:36:03.096 --> 00:36:08.086
it on the phone like texting and So it
was this like spiral of like looking back,

00:36:08.086 --> 00:36:12.036
I'm like, what was I doing, but it was a
spiral of this interest and it was keeping

00:36:12.036 --> 00:36:19.116
me like enthralled with this kind of work,
Mediumship and, doing psychic readings

00:36:19.116 --> 00:36:22.406
for people because people were still
coming for a reading once in a while.

00:36:22.886 --> 00:36:28.146
And during that time, I, this is
something that was very pivotal

00:36:28.156 --> 00:36:32.846
for me was I, my parents had gifted
me a paddle board for Christmas.

00:36:33.276 --> 00:36:37.746
So I take it out for the first chance
I can, when it gets warm and I'm

00:36:37.746 --> 00:36:38.766
going to take it out in the ocean.

00:36:39.181 --> 00:36:39.531
All right.

00:36:39.571 --> 00:36:40.621
My parents are with me.

00:36:40.651 --> 00:36:42.711
I'm, it's Mother's Day.

00:36:43.821 --> 00:36:49.591
I think the year was, 2021 Mother's
Day and I'm out on the ocean, with

00:36:49.591 --> 00:36:55.181
my pattern board and I see this huge
splash and I'm like, is that shark?

00:36:56.306 --> 00:36:56.556
Kacy: Oh God.

00:36:57.211 --> 00:36:58.311
Jesse: It's an adult shark.

00:36:58.421 --> 00:36:58.951
I don't know.

00:36:59.041 --> 00:37:00.041
I see whales out there.

00:37:00.121 --> 00:37:01.481
I'm like, okay, what is that?

00:37:01.961 --> 00:37:05.181
I'm staring trying to figure
out what that huge splash was.

00:37:05.731 --> 00:37:09.441
And all of a sudden I see this
woman pop out of the water and I'm

00:37:09.441 --> 00:37:11.691
like, Oh, it's somebody swimming.

00:37:11.741 --> 00:37:14.211
maybe it's somebody like, I'm like,
that must be somebody else because

00:37:14.211 --> 00:37:17.031
that there's no way they could have
traveled from that watch to here.

00:37:17.431 --> 00:37:18.981
It's too fast now.

00:37:18.981 --> 00:37:22.021
I'm like, she must be swimming, practicing
swimming, travel on or something.

00:37:23.001 --> 00:37:25.771
Ocean swimming, but it was
really deep where I was.

00:37:25.771 --> 00:37:26.581
I was on a paddleboard.

00:37:26.661 --> 00:37:27.641
I was past the waves.

00:37:27.781 --> 00:37:28.511
You know what I mean?

00:37:28.581 --> 00:37:29.661
So I'm really far out.

00:37:30.211 --> 00:37:32.821
And I can see the beach, obviously, but.

00:37:33.281 --> 00:37:33.891
it's far.

00:37:34.171 --> 00:37:38.461
And, she pops up and I'm like, Oh,
like she's going to say hi or something

00:37:38.501 --> 00:37:42.471
to me because it's weird that she's
swimming right next to my paddleboard.

00:37:43.581 --> 00:37:47.471
And it almost looked to me like she
was wearing like a mask or something.

00:37:47.471 --> 00:37:52.451
And I was like, Oh, I looked at her
and my brain couldn't process what

00:37:52.451 --> 00:37:53.961
I was seeing, if that makes sense.

00:37:54.021 --> 00:37:57.621
your brain starts to try to
attach things to something when it

00:37:57.621 --> 00:37:58.821
doesn't know what it's looking at.

00:37:59.461 --> 00:38:00.781
And that's what my brain was doing.

00:38:00.781 --> 00:38:01.931
It's oh, those are goggles.

00:38:02.351 --> 00:38:04.881
Oh, that's, her hair is green.

00:38:04.941 --> 00:38:06.361
oh, it's fine.

00:38:07.101 --> 00:38:11.171
And then she goes down
under, she doesn't dive down.

00:38:11.171 --> 00:38:14.931
She just drops down and
doesn't come back up.

00:38:14.931 --> 00:38:20.271
And I was like, what
in the world was that?

00:38:20.781 --> 00:38:22.341
And my mom actually thought too.

00:38:22.891 --> 00:38:25.191
Kacy: When she came up,
was she looking at you?

00:38:25.191 --> 00:38:26.811
Was she trying to communicate?

00:38:27.441 --> 00:38:31.571
Jesse: no, she looked past me like it was
almost like she didn't look at me at all.

00:38:31.681 --> 00:38:35.621
She looked past me and she had
black eyes like they're just black.

00:38:36.501 --> 00:38:40.601
her hair was blonde, but it looked
green like it had been in the water.

00:38:40.851 --> 00:38:42.931
you know how hair like
it's that green tint.

00:38:43.521 --> 00:38:45.261
And I thought to myself when
I first saw her, she needs a

00:38:45.261 --> 00:38:47.361
bath, that was my first thought.

00:38:47.361 --> 00:38:51.721
I was like, oh my gosh, her
hair, is messed up and her

00:38:51.721 --> 00:38:53.271
head wasn't normal shape.

00:38:53.301 --> 00:38:57.661
It was like a long, in the back,
like the hair either was piled

00:38:57.661 --> 00:38:59.241
up or her skull was longer.

00:38:59.931 --> 00:39:01.391
and she had gray skin.

00:39:01.661 --> 00:39:04.421
Like it was very pale, like super pale.

00:39:04.901 --> 00:39:07.821
very gaunt looking tiny lips.

00:39:08.881 --> 00:39:12.711
and she had red around her
eyes, almost like scale.

00:39:13.561 --> 00:39:19.321
and when I saw the tail,
it was like a seal skin.

00:39:20.261 --> 00:39:22.911
like a smooth of tail.

00:39:22.911 --> 00:39:24.581
that's what I'd seen splash.

00:39:25.611 --> 00:39:26.851
so I'd gotten a little look of it.

00:39:27.961 --> 00:39:31.706
And I was like, I didn't believe
in mermaid, I didn't really believe

00:39:31.706 --> 00:39:34.426
in mermaid, wasn't something I ever
really thought about, even though

00:39:34.436 --> 00:39:37.716
I was in the spiritual world, but
you can bet after that I was very

00:39:37.716 --> 00:39:42.326
interested in mermaid, because I didn't
know what else that could have been.

00:39:43.146 --> 00:39:49.516
And now I know what it likely was,
which was, Either a, what they,

00:39:49.526 --> 00:39:54.936
what some people call a Nephilim
or a demon, because, mermaids are

00:39:54.936 --> 00:39:56.226
just a cute little fairy tale.

00:39:56.226 --> 00:40:02.786
They tell people to explain demonic
activity, and the Bible is pretty clear

00:40:02.786 --> 00:40:08.159
about what these things are, and, They
can appear in 3D, in flesh, I didn't know

00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.809
that, I thought spirits were spirits,
but they can appear in the flesh, in my

00:40:12.809 --> 00:40:15.789
experience, and that's what had happened.

00:40:16.419 --> 00:40:19.319
I believe it happened, now looking
back, I believe it happened because

00:40:19.319 --> 00:40:24.679
of all the stuff I was doing, I was
basically opening up, probably some kind

00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:28.989
of, I don't know if you want to call
them portals or what, but some kind of

00:40:29.019 --> 00:40:31.119
energy field where they felt attracted.

00:40:31.699 --> 00:40:34.899
And they were like, this girl like
into us, so we're going to reach out

00:40:35.319 --> 00:40:39.139
and then it kept building because
when you experience those things,

00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:40.809
you have no explanation for them.

00:40:41.149 --> 00:40:42.769
You want to get to the bottom of them.

00:40:43.659 --> 00:40:46.379
And I was like, mermaids are real.

00:40:46.859 --> 00:40:47.719
Oh my gosh.

00:40:47.759 --> 00:40:51.349
my mom actually saw it too
from a different perspective.

00:40:51.349 --> 00:40:57.739
She was to my right and she looked
up and she saw the same demon.

00:40:57.809 --> 00:40:58.219
And.

00:40:58.979 --> 00:41:02.129
She thought she was imagining
it, so she didn't say anything.

00:41:03.249 --> 00:41:04.519
I was like, did you guys see that?

00:41:04.619 --> 00:41:05.389
She's no.

00:41:06.439 --> 00:41:08.419
then a few days later, I'm
like, did you see that?

00:41:08.619 --> 00:41:09.449
She's yes, I did.

00:41:09.449 --> 00:41:11.589
I just didn't want to admit that I saw it.

00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:12.639
It's too weird.

00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:15.969
I'm like, okay, so at
least I know I'm not crazy.

00:41:16.729 --> 00:41:19.919
Because yeah, it was crazy.

00:41:20.019 --> 00:41:22.649
so I go down this rabbit
hole of mermaids after that.

00:41:22.789 --> 00:41:27.169
And I am very interested in, I
start channeling a program for my

00:41:27.169 --> 00:41:29.409
business and it's called the abyss.

00:41:30.799 --> 00:41:34.309
And I have people joining because they're
like, they've never heard of anybody

00:41:34.309 --> 00:41:35.699
who's seen a real life mermaid before.

00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:37.889
They want to know what's going on.

00:41:37.929 --> 00:41:40.899
So they join and I charge like
a membership fee or something.

00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:46.279
And, we channeled mermaids
and I, it's just gibberish,

00:41:46.329 --> 00:41:47.979
gibberish that I was channeling.

00:41:47.979 --> 00:41:50.829
it was English, but it
was, didn't make any sense.

00:41:51.169 --> 00:41:55.969
And, something that did end up being
interesting was that, that woman I was

00:41:55.969 --> 00:42:01.369
still working with that I'd hired that
was very dark, She and I were still doing

00:42:01.369 --> 00:42:05.309
our work on a podcast and channeling on
the side, and she was helping me with

00:42:05.309 --> 00:42:07.359
my program and ways she could and stuff.

00:42:07.459 --> 00:42:10.409
And, she was sharing, I was
starting to channel this thing

00:42:10.409 --> 00:42:12.799
that called itself the white God.

00:42:13.499 --> 00:42:16.949
And it was a, when I saw
him, he looked like a devil.

00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:19.779
He had horns like a devil,
like not, I didn't see him in

00:42:19.779 --> 00:42:20.869
a 3d, like I did the mermaid.

00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.979
I saw more in my, my mind, I
would get these images or vision.

00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:30.459
And I thought it's like white,
double looking, scary looking thing.

00:42:31.379 --> 00:42:35.659
And I was like, I think this is
the devil or it looks like it.

00:42:36.399 --> 00:42:37.349
And she was like, yeah.

00:42:38.129 --> 00:42:41.949
And at that point you're like, are
you afraid that the devil at that

00:42:41.949 --> 00:42:43.539
point, you've done so much stuff.

00:42:43.799 --> 00:42:48.249
Like it's, you just kind of ask yourself,
like, am I afraid of this thing or not?

00:42:48.869 --> 00:42:51.829
It seems nice, and scripture
says, angel, Satan despises

00:42:51.829 --> 00:42:53.159
himself as an angel of light.

00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:54.849
he was promising us all these things.

00:42:54.899 --> 00:42:56.509
Riches and her luck.

00:42:56.569 --> 00:42:59.679
if you ever want to talk about like
job in real life, it was like her.

00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:01.609
She had lost everything.

00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:03.259
I'm doing this stuff.

00:43:03.419 --> 00:43:08.609
She had gone from multimillion dollar
business to literally selling her house.

00:43:10.333 --> 00:43:11.423
like she lived in a trailer.

00:43:12.933 --> 00:43:16.273
And she had previously
had a multimillion dollar.

00:43:16.783 --> 00:43:20.443
Spiritual business, just to give you an
idea of what this stuff does to people.

00:43:20.953 --> 00:43:24.313
and so I was trying to help her, get
back to, like, where she used to be.

00:43:24.913 --> 00:43:26.823
And, yeah, it was depressing.

00:43:27.003 --> 00:43:28.633
her life was in shambles.

00:43:29.063 --> 00:43:29.873
It was really bad.

00:43:29.873 --> 00:43:32.923
She was actually possessed
at one point, by a demon that

00:43:32.923 --> 00:43:34.523
called itself, I think, Lilith.

00:43:35.453 --> 00:43:37.669
She threw up black stone.

00:43:38.389 --> 00:43:43.844
and the only thing that she wanted when
she was in a possessed state, While

00:43:43.844 --> 00:43:46.864
she's throwing up and just talking
gibberish and talking a different

00:43:46.864 --> 00:43:49.394
voice and doesn't remember anything.

00:43:49.914 --> 00:43:54.454
Her husband's cross on his neck, he
has a cushion, was the only thing

00:43:54.454 --> 00:43:56.264
that she would like recoil from.

00:43:57.204 --> 00:44:01.074
And, it was like she wanted her husband
when she was possessed, but she also

00:44:01.074 --> 00:44:02.504
didn't want him because of the cross.

00:44:02.794 --> 00:44:03.624
And it was the whole thing.

00:44:03.834 --> 00:44:06.654
You would think, Justie, at this
time, it would have occurred to us.

00:44:07.634 --> 00:44:09.204
What was happening, right?

00:44:09.554 --> 00:44:11.214
You would think okay, this is so obvious.

00:44:11.634 --> 00:44:12.854
we're not obvious to us.

00:44:12.994 --> 00:44:14.464
like, how did I not see this?

00:44:14.494 --> 00:44:16.394
Like, all the signs were there.

00:44:16.734 --> 00:44:18.844
Everything was there, what was happening.

00:44:19.164 --> 00:44:20.564
And yet we had no idea.

00:44:21.284 --> 00:44:25.544
And, this white god, he would
say things like, I'm a dragon.

00:44:25.684 --> 00:44:26.484
I'm a snake.

00:44:27.424 --> 00:44:30.404
I, and I was like, how can
you be a dragon and a snake?

00:44:31.294 --> 00:44:33.794
I didn't make any sense to like,
we literally would talk about this

00:44:33.794 --> 00:44:37.104
on a podcast, like, how can it
be girls like, and okay, book of

00:44:37.104 --> 00:44:42.914
revolution, I'm a dragon and the
snake and the dragon, which is Satan.

00:44:43.304 --> 00:44:45.564
I'm like, yeah, okay, makes sense.

00:44:46.774 --> 00:44:47.784
Kacy: it makes sense now.

00:44:48.644 --> 00:44:49.314
Jesse: it does now.

00:44:49.464 --> 00:44:49.784
Yeah.

00:44:50.384 --> 00:44:55.264
And yeah, I, but all this
fizzles out all this fizzles out.

00:44:55.899 --> 00:45:01.469
I, months pass, nothing really
happens, like no big money,

00:45:01.489 --> 00:45:03.029
no big scale, no big deal.

00:45:03.029 --> 00:45:05.649
I'm trying to make these big
deals, like nothing's happening.

00:45:05.649 --> 00:45:08.809
I'm listening to these signs and
messages and nothing's going right.

00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:12.099
And I'm like, okay, maybe
I just got to wait it out.

00:45:12.099 --> 00:45:13.569
It's not my time, whatever.

00:45:15.269 --> 00:45:16.609
yeah, I end up

00:45:19.169 --> 00:45:24.609
being kind of disappointed and very
disappointed and very not into it.

00:45:24.619 --> 00:45:28.069
Like all of a sudden, like my
interests are like dying in this stuff.

00:45:29.494 --> 00:45:31.434
And I'm like, man, like I used to love it.

00:45:31.434 --> 00:45:33.984
I don't even want to do the channeling.

00:45:33.984 --> 00:45:35.164
I don't even want to do reading.

00:45:35.824 --> 00:45:38.474
I took all my stuff offline.

00:45:38.924 --> 00:45:40.454
I was thinking about closing my business.

00:45:41.314 --> 00:45:45.554
I actually got a job as a speech
therapist again, working full time.

00:45:46.614 --> 00:45:51.004
I, my life's becoming more
normal, if that makes sense.

00:45:51.864 --> 00:45:54.454
And yeah, I was still doing witchcraft.

00:45:54.634 --> 00:46:00.184
I, I did make friends with local people
who like spells and things like that.

00:46:00.224 --> 00:46:03.084
So I was learning how to do
spells and I would cast them.

00:46:03.874 --> 00:46:05.904
And, I always thought I
was doing good things.

00:46:05.964 --> 00:46:06.924
I wasn't a bad witch.

00:46:06.924 --> 00:46:07.954
I was like a good one.

00:46:08.034 --> 00:46:10.504
And, so I would still doing that stuff.

00:46:11.454 --> 00:46:13.454
I even bought like a
broomstick from Salem.

00:46:13.544 --> 00:46:14.484
I thought that was cool.

00:46:14.504 --> 00:46:14.904
That kind of stuff.

00:46:14.904 --> 00:46:17.064
I was really into that.

00:46:18.234 --> 00:46:22.574
reading spell books, like
nature spells, things like that.

00:46:23.084 --> 00:46:24.054
I was doing that stuff.

00:46:24.774 --> 00:46:30.914
And then, one day, I was reading my
Bible, because I tried to read the Bible.

00:46:31.014 --> 00:46:32.964
through this whole experience,
I'm trying to read the Bible.

00:46:33.324 --> 00:46:37.124
It was from my grandfather, and it would
be sitting on my bookshelf all the time.

00:46:37.514 --> 00:46:40.074
And I would open it up, and it
was like reading another language.

00:46:40.624 --> 00:46:42.414
I couldn't understand
a word I was reading.

00:46:42.984 --> 00:46:44.764
It was like, what?

00:46:45.394 --> 00:46:47.934
I, one sentence, I could not understand.

00:46:48.404 --> 00:46:48.884
One sentence.

00:46:48.884 --> 00:46:54.569
I And then one day I opened it up
and I opened up to Deuteronomy and

00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:57.939
all of a sudden I can understand it
and I'm like, Oh, it is an English.

00:46:59.389 --> 00:47:00.419
I can't read this.

00:47:00.549 --> 00:47:01.199
Oh my gosh.

00:47:01.219 --> 00:47:02.229
It was so weird.

00:47:02.739 --> 00:47:05.259
I was like, I can't believe I'm
understanding what I read it.

00:47:05.829 --> 00:47:09.669
And I opened it up and I basically read.

00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:11.919
I opened it up right to Deuteronomy.

00:47:11.929 --> 00:47:13.509
I had no idea what Deuteronomy was.

00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:14.589
I had no idea.

00:47:14.649 --> 00:47:16.019
Like I randomly read the Bible.

00:47:16.049 --> 00:47:17.539
Like I have no clue what I'm doing.

00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:18.949
And it says.

00:47:19.869 --> 00:47:23.039
No one among you is to sacrifice
a son or daughter in the fire.

00:47:23.209 --> 00:47:27.519
Practice divination, tell fortunes,
interpret omens, practice sorcery,

00:47:27.659 --> 00:47:32.419
cast spells, consult a medium or
spiritist, or inquire of the dead.

00:47:32.979 --> 00:47:36.129
Everyone who does these things is
detestable to the Lord, and the Lord your

00:47:36.129 --> 00:47:40.932
God is driving out the nations before
you because of these detestable acts.

00:47:40.932 --> 00:47:43.289
Deuteronomy 18, 10 12.

00:47:44.859 --> 00:47:47.259
And I'm like, you have
got to be kidding me.

00:47:48.439 --> 00:47:49.799
this isn't okay with God?

00:47:50.984 --> 00:47:51.794
I thought this was God.

00:47:51.824 --> 00:47:52.964
I thought this was God.

00:47:53.074 --> 00:47:54.484
I thought this was God.

00:47:54.534 --> 00:47:55.984
this is not okay with God.

00:47:56.284 --> 00:47:57.224
I was like, oh no.

00:47:57.514 --> 00:47:58.484
And I'm convicted.

00:47:58.574 --> 00:47:59.384
I believe it.

00:47:59.804 --> 00:48:01.454
I can't tell you why I believed it.

00:48:01.484 --> 00:48:02.304
I can't tell you.

00:48:02.324 --> 00:48:03.894
It doesn't make sense, honestly.

00:48:04.019 --> 00:48:05.067
But I believed it.

00:48:05.067 --> 00:48:07.029
And I was like, God is not happy with me.

00:48:07.709 --> 00:48:11.279
And I'm detestable and I'm an
abomination, according to Deuteronomy.

00:48:12.459 --> 00:48:15.809
And so I Google, is Old
Testament still true today?

00:48:17.969 --> 00:48:24.149
And up top, nobody else but Doreen
Virtue, who was a New Age author,

00:48:24.439 --> 00:48:25.769
who converted to Christianity.

00:48:25.769 --> 00:48:30.569
And she's talking about this verse,
exactly this verse that I'm, that I read.

00:48:31.129 --> 00:48:32.399
She said, this is true today.

00:48:32.784 --> 00:48:36.644
I was a medium, I was a psychic, and
this is true today, and you cannot do it.

00:48:37.904 --> 00:48:42.244
And I was like, I've heard of a Doreen
Virtue, everybody talked about her, she'd

00:48:42.244 --> 00:48:45.624
gone off the deep end in Christianity,
and how crazy she was for leaving

00:48:45.624 --> 00:48:47.094
everything, and everything like that.

00:48:47.949 --> 00:48:51.969
She was really big in the
90s, early 2000s, really big.

00:48:52.339 --> 00:48:54.639
She traveled with, Wayne
Dyer, things like that.

00:48:55.459 --> 00:48:55.839
yeah.

00:48:56.429 --> 00:49:00.079
And I was like, Okay,
Doreen thinks this is real.

00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:07.389
So I text my friend, the other coach,
who I was working with, channeling

00:49:07.389 --> 00:49:09.769
with, and I say, hey, I read this.

00:49:09.809 --> 00:49:10.629
What do you think?

00:49:11.829 --> 00:49:14.919
and she's Oh, that's, not
everything in the Bible is true.

00:49:15.329 --> 00:49:16.339
It's not all true.

00:49:16.399 --> 00:49:17.359
Some of it's true.

00:49:17.399 --> 00:49:19.929
Cause we would talk about the Bible
once in a while, like the very common

00:49:19.929 --> 00:49:22.259
things that I knew from Catholic church.

00:49:22.924 --> 00:49:23.244
Kacy: Yeah.

00:49:23.459 --> 00:49:25.899
Jesse: but yeah, like
it, she's it's not true.

00:49:25.949 --> 00:49:27.279
and I just didn't know what to say.

00:49:27.279 --> 00:49:30.369
I was disappointed, honestly,
because I was looking for an excuse

00:49:30.369 --> 00:49:31.669
not to do what I was doing anymore.

00:49:32.279 --> 00:49:33.619
I didn't really want to anymore.

00:49:34.179 --> 00:49:36.079
And, yeah, so it was a
little disappointing.

00:49:36.089 --> 00:49:40.549
I really thought she would take
me seriously, and she didn't.

00:49:41.009 --> 00:49:47.279
And, why I relied on another
person, that's mistake number one.

00:49:47.529 --> 00:49:47.759
But.

00:49:48.394 --> 00:49:49.114
That's where I was.

00:49:49.424 --> 00:49:54.104
And, so yeah, I, I don't know after
that things really, I really wasn't

00:49:54.104 --> 00:49:56.364
interested after that very much.

00:49:56.654 --> 00:50:01.134
even my boyfriend at the time, he would
play stuff in the car, like different

00:50:01.714 --> 00:50:08.064
new age kind of lessons, but I would be
like, no, I can't, I cannot listen to him.

00:50:08.884 --> 00:50:11.734
He would do he would hire like a
psychic and I'd be like, I don't

00:50:11.734 --> 00:50:13.484
want any parent, I don't really care.

00:50:13.954 --> 00:50:15.264
I don't want a part of that.

00:50:15.334 --> 00:50:16.584
He would do moon groups.

00:50:16.584 --> 00:50:20.018
I didn't, it was like, I got a
bad feeling all of a sudden about

00:50:20.018 --> 00:50:23.488
all this stuff, all of a sudden
it's y'all giving me bad feelings.

00:50:24.298 --> 00:50:25.218
I didn't know what it was.

00:50:26.128 --> 00:50:31.448
so, one thing I did forget to mention
that I do want to mention that I was

00:50:31.448 --> 00:50:34.708
into before my conversion was Gnosticism.

00:50:35.428 --> 00:50:40.973
So Christian Gnosticism, which
is like, Looking at, the gospel

00:50:40.983 --> 00:50:44.493
of Thomas or the gospel of Mary
Magdalene, these kinds of things.

00:50:44.883 --> 00:50:51.333
there's an author who wrote a book,
I forget her name, I'm driving crazy,

00:50:51.713 --> 00:50:55.843
but, she, I read her book about
Mary Magdalene, and it was like,

00:50:55.873 --> 00:51:00.983
it's a newer book and I did a study
with a group of women about it.

00:51:01.123 --> 00:51:05.733
And it's a how Mary Magdalene is just like
Jesus and their equals and all this stuff.

00:51:06.303 --> 00:51:08.543
And, I was really into that for a while.

00:51:09.373 --> 00:51:10.183
It all goes together.

00:51:10.603 --> 00:51:11.213
That's the thing.

00:51:11.273 --> 00:51:12.153
All this stuff.

00:51:12.303 --> 00:51:13.123
I was a yoga teacher.

00:51:13.123 --> 00:51:15.173
I'd gone to yoga training
in Thailand for a month.

00:51:15.343 --> 00:51:20.743
it all fits like nothing argues
against each other is what I realized.

00:51:21.453 --> 00:51:24.173
Like I would get visions
of gods and goddesses from

00:51:24.183 --> 00:51:25.903
ancient Rome and ancient Greek.

00:51:25.903 --> 00:51:27.853
I didn't even know what they were and
they would tell me their name and I

00:51:27.853 --> 00:51:32.623
would Google it and lo and behold, it
was like this is why I had no idea.

00:51:33.063 --> 00:51:36.703
Like I couldn't have imagined it
because I'd never heard of it.

00:51:37.453 --> 00:51:37.913
Kacy: Right.

00:51:38.573 --> 00:51:39.813
Jesse: but they all would come to me.

00:51:40.248 --> 00:51:44.368
the thing that didn't come to me,
was the God of the Christians.

00:51:44.998 --> 00:51:47.648
We would, we called it the
light God for some reason.

00:51:48.558 --> 00:51:51.308
And it was like that God didn't
want any part of all this

00:51:51.308 --> 00:51:52.678
other stuff that we were doing.

00:51:52.708 --> 00:51:59.938
That was the only God we knew of that
would not coexist with the others.

00:52:00.718 --> 00:52:02.618
Buddha and Krishna and.

00:52:03.448 --> 00:52:10.308
Mary Magdalene, like the Gnostic
versions of God and the, the

00:52:10.338 --> 00:52:15.538
Jungian theories and Gaia, all
these things coexisted just fine.

00:52:15.868 --> 00:52:17.698
They didn't argue against each other.

00:52:17.768 --> 00:52:20.978
It didn't really, it disagreed,
but it also, you could always

00:52:21.118 --> 00:52:23.228
rationalize it to make sense together.

00:52:23.788 --> 00:52:25.158
that's the messages I would get.

00:52:25.158 --> 00:52:28.158
That we're always from
these kinds of beliefs.

00:52:29.123 --> 00:52:31.543
I didn't get any biblical messages ever.

00:52:31.603 --> 00:52:34.063
The only biblical message I ever
received was from the Bible.

00:52:35.123 --> 00:52:40.183
I wouldn't, or from the devil,
but he was talking about himself

00:52:40.983 --> 00:52:42.173
in the words of the Bible.

00:52:43.033 --> 00:52:46.613
because the devil knows the Bible
extremely well, better than any of us.

00:52:47.033 --> 00:52:48.533
He knows it front and back.

00:52:48.933 --> 00:52:49.913
He knows what happens.

00:52:50.063 --> 00:52:51.043
He believes it.

00:52:51.933 --> 00:52:53.743
He does not argue with the Bible.

00:52:54.023 --> 00:52:55.223
he lies though.

00:52:55.863 --> 00:52:56.713
He's a liar.

00:52:56.923 --> 00:52:58.223
So he'll deceive you.

00:52:58.868 --> 00:53:04.748
But he also knows the truth, and so
he, it's an interesting realization I

00:53:04.748 --> 00:53:08.558
had when I converted was, that some of
the things he said were true regarding

00:53:08.558 --> 00:53:13.668
himself, that he is a snake and a dragon,
that he, has minions, he has demons.

00:53:14.203 --> 00:53:17.313
On his team that poses these
gods and goddesses for him

00:53:17.993 --> 00:53:19.513
to further deceive humanity.

00:53:19.893 --> 00:53:23.633
And he was right in that the white
God, him, he, I don't know why he

00:53:23.633 --> 00:53:25.053
called himself that, but whatever.

00:53:25.793 --> 00:53:27.443
He is all those in one.

00:53:28.193 --> 00:53:30.333
They are all the same.

00:53:30.753 --> 00:53:31.453
They're all the same.

00:53:31.773 --> 00:53:37.623
They all go by different shades of gray,
but in the end, it's all a demon with that

00:53:37.623 --> 00:53:40.153
agenda to still steal, kill and destroy.

00:53:40.813 --> 00:53:42.213
And yeah, I realized that.

00:53:42.778 --> 00:53:47.147
After my conversion,
which happened, close.

00:53:47.613 --> 00:53:50.933
Around this time where I'm just
interested, I, what happened was

00:53:50.983 --> 00:53:54.143
that person that I was channeling
with, she said, Casey, I'm going to

00:53:54.143 --> 00:53:56.493
get baptized at the church I go to.

00:53:56.563 --> 00:54:00.093
And she's the minute I agreed
to be baptized to myself,

00:54:00.093 --> 00:54:01.723
she's I felt the Holy spirit.

00:54:02.383 --> 00:54:04.913
And she's I'm going to
do the Christian thing.

00:54:05.643 --> 00:54:08.753
And I was mad when she told
me that and how it's mad.

00:54:08.813 --> 00:54:11.343
And I was, I didn't tell
her I was mad, but I was.

00:54:11.763 --> 00:54:14.743
And I thought to myself, why
am I mad that she's doing that?

00:54:15.023 --> 00:54:17.053
Is it because I'm sad that I
won't have a channel anymore?

00:54:17.053 --> 00:54:18.693
No, because I don't even
want to do it anymore.

00:54:19.483 --> 00:54:23.373
It was, I was mad because I wasn't
doing, I wasn't a Christian.

00:54:23.853 --> 00:54:25.883
I wanted that and I didn't have it.

00:54:26.193 --> 00:54:29.268
And I felt this voice
say, you can have that.

00:54:30.018 --> 00:54:31.353
You can have that, too.

00:54:31.353 --> 00:54:34.498
So I decided, okay, I'm gonna have this.

00:54:34.498 --> 00:54:34.968
I'm a Christian.

00:54:35.008 --> 00:54:35.828
I'm gonna be a Christian.

00:54:35.838 --> 00:54:36.968
I'm gonna have Jesus.

00:54:37.768 --> 00:54:39.428
And, it wasn't as simple as that.

00:54:39.438 --> 00:54:42.658
I had to repent for all
the things I had done.

00:54:43.298 --> 00:54:44.828
all the sins I had committed.

00:54:44.968 --> 00:54:50.788
The divorce, the channeling, the
sorcery, no spells, psychic witchcraft.

00:54:52.628 --> 00:54:54.938
I repented and that was hard.

00:54:55.048 --> 00:55:00.358
I cried for I think a day and I just
felt terrible that I had done these

00:55:00.388 --> 00:55:02.588
things, that God didn't want me to do.

00:55:02.698 --> 00:55:05.828
And I understood, I just
understood that it was wrong.

00:55:06.588 --> 00:55:10.008
Kacy: I just felt like I had done
so much at that point and nothing

00:55:10.018 --> 00:55:16.538
had brought me to enlightenment
or to Nirvana or to anything.

00:55:16.838 --> 00:55:21.348
money, wealth, like nothing, like
I did have a relationship, but that

00:55:21.348 --> 00:55:24.888
was about all I had at that time.

00:55:24.888 --> 00:55:26.008
Like I was living with my parents.

00:55:26.018 --> 00:55:26.418
I.

00:55:26.903 --> 00:55:28.423
Had a normal nine to five again.

00:55:28.433 --> 00:55:30.363
I didn't even in my mind.

00:55:30.363 --> 00:55:36.463
I'd failed like my business, I had closed
it I had no interest in doing any of that

00:55:36.463 --> 00:55:44.693
stuff again because I just knew where
it led I just I was like I just Was it

00:55:44.693 --> 00:55:48.853
was like the rose colored glasses were
taken off of that whole world online.

00:55:48.853 --> 00:55:50.933
it just became clear
that it wasn't for me.

00:55:52.443 --> 00:55:56.733
And in my midst of not really doing
much, except working a normal job and,

00:55:56.843 --> 00:56:01.273
I had knee surgery around that time,
I was laid up, and then my, the woman

00:56:01.273 --> 00:56:04.813
I had been channeling with off and on
at that point, wasn't we used to do a

00:56:04.813 --> 00:56:10.583
podcast, but we had stopped and all this
stuff, she, said how she was, converting

00:56:10.583 --> 00:56:12.333
to Christianity after her experience.

00:56:13.043 --> 00:56:18.743
deciding to get baptized at her husband's
church and how she was filled with peace.

00:56:19.578 --> 00:56:24.658
And I believe it was the Holy
Spirit, and she was very, genuine.

00:56:24.738 --> 00:56:26.788
It was a very genuine conversion for her.

00:56:27.308 --> 00:56:31.488
I could tell, and, it affected me in
the fact that it made me angry that

00:56:31.488 --> 00:56:34.598
she hadn't supported me earlier when
I told her the scripture I'd read.

00:56:34.598 --> 00:56:40.068
And I just knew I didn't have to be
angry because I could still have Jesus

00:56:40.088 --> 00:56:43.378
and the Bible and God and the God of
the Bible, I could still have that.

00:56:43.488 --> 00:56:47.638
And, so I went through repentance.

00:56:48.128 --> 00:56:53.448
and I started to read about other people
who converted, who left the new age

00:56:53.448 --> 00:56:55.318
or other religions for Christianity.

00:56:55.328 --> 00:56:58.008
And those were really helpful
for me just to spend some

00:56:58.008 --> 00:57:00.828
time really looking at myself.

00:57:01.838 --> 00:57:08.038
and I really wanted to look
at myself and understand why I

00:57:08.048 --> 00:57:11.068
had believed a lie for so long.

00:57:11.968 --> 00:57:14.708
And, so what I first, I, I prayed.

00:57:15.243 --> 00:57:18.793
I was really into dreams and the
new age I would dream interpret

00:57:18.873 --> 00:57:20.093
and I would believe my dreams.

00:57:20.123 --> 00:57:23.753
my dreams were what I
thought were powerful.

00:57:23.933 --> 00:57:28.003
I would get names of deceased
people in my, I would see

00:57:28.003 --> 00:57:29.333
deceased people in my dreams.

00:57:29.383 --> 00:57:33.098
I would carry out messages from
them to other people or to myself.

00:57:34.138 --> 00:57:37.158
I would see like different
synchronicities in my dreams.

00:57:37.158 --> 00:57:41.858
I would see like aliens in my dreams
or fairies or what have you, like

00:57:41.858 --> 00:57:44.528
all the, all this stuff, mermaids.

00:57:44.718 --> 00:57:46.538
And I would write them
all down and journal it.

00:57:47.258 --> 00:57:50.688
And I would either take a young Ian
perspective of Oh, it's like talking about

00:57:50.688 --> 00:57:55.348
my subconscious, or I would think it was
real, like real spirits talking to me.

00:57:56.148 --> 00:57:57.528
And I think it was a combination.

00:57:57.528 --> 00:58:00.768
Cause some of the spirits, communicated
messages that ended up being

00:58:00.808 --> 00:58:02.368
true that I could not have known.

00:58:03.108 --> 00:58:04.308
there's no way I could have known.

00:58:04.738 --> 00:58:12.918
And so, yeah, that's a whole thing,
but, so I prayed to God for a dream.

00:58:13.278 --> 00:58:18.978
I said, God, I know you might not
use it, but if you will, please

00:58:19.228 --> 00:58:20.598
show me what happened to me.

00:58:21.398 --> 00:58:22.188
That was my question.

00:58:22.218 --> 00:58:22.748
show me what happened.

00:58:22.808 --> 00:58:24.198
That was my request.

00:58:24.208 --> 00:58:25.558
Show me what happened to me.

00:58:27.058 --> 00:58:35.208
And so that night, I dreamt, I was sitting
on a square, retaining wall, brick wall.

00:58:35.858 --> 00:58:37.358
And in the middle was just, grass.

00:58:37.368 --> 00:58:40.978
I didn't see what was in the middle, but
around the square wall were all these

00:58:40.978 --> 00:58:43.208
people, and I was sitting next to my mom.

00:58:44.218 --> 00:58:47.388
And me and my mom were talking, and
it seemed like a good conversation.

00:58:47.988 --> 00:58:53.728
And all of a sudden I see a little snake
probably 12 inches long and it was a cobra

00:58:53.858 --> 00:58:58.328
snake and it had a little hood and things
and at first I'm like, I don't like snakes

00:58:58.338 --> 00:59:03.698
sounds but it seems like nice the snake,
it was like intelligent and like cute.

00:59:04.493 --> 00:59:06.973
And it was like move in a
way that it understood me.

00:59:06.973 --> 00:59:09.303
And I was like, Oh my gosh,
it's like a smart snake.

00:59:09.303 --> 00:59:13.683
And I like, it's like climbing
on me and it's I'm holding it.

00:59:13.683 --> 00:59:16.033
And I'm not that I've helped snakes.

00:59:16.043 --> 00:59:17.783
So I'm not that scared
of them where I'm like.

00:59:18.088 --> 00:59:20.018
I just don't like the
idea of being bit by them.

00:59:20.528 --> 00:59:22.268
that's a thing poisoned by that.

00:59:22.388 --> 00:59:23.968
But other than that, I'm
not that scared of that.

00:59:24.078 --> 00:59:26.768
So it's climbing on me and I'm
like, Oh, my mom's Oh my gosh,

00:59:26.768 --> 00:59:27.948
the snake really likes you.

00:59:27.948 --> 00:59:28.888
That's so great.

00:59:29.398 --> 00:59:33.408
And I'm like, yeah, but I want to
talk to the other people around.

00:59:33.428 --> 00:59:37.008
So I eventually let the snake
go and I go move, move along the

00:59:37.008 --> 00:59:38.258
wall and talk to somebody else.

00:59:38.908 --> 00:59:44.008
And the snake follows me and I'm
like, Oh, here's the snake again.

00:59:44.118 --> 00:59:45.438
I'm like, it does really like me.

00:59:45.448 --> 00:59:45.918
it was weird.

00:59:45.928 --> 00:59:46.548
It was like.

00:59:47.273 --> 00:59:48.163
Why is it following me?

00:59:48.193 --> 00:59:53.173
There's always people around and it's
following me and I again, take it and

00:59:53.173 --> 00:59:55.563
I'm like, okay, a little snake and
I'm like, okay, go do something else.

00:59:55.593 --> 00:59:57.853
try to get, trying to get it off of me.

00:59:58.813 --> 01:00:02.723
But then it realized I was trying
to get away and it got angry and

01:00:02.723 --> 01:00:07.423
it started to come for me and I was
like, Oh no, it's not looking happy.

01:00:07.983 --> 01:00:09.613
And it climbs up my back.

01:00:09.713 --> 01:00:10.763
So I didn't pick it up.

01:00:10.793 --> 01:00:17.713
It just climbed up my back and it climbed
down my right arm and it bit me in my

01:00:17.713 --> 01:00:24.988
hand And it bit me so hard, I felt it and
I jolted up right in bed and I looked at

01:00:24.988 --> 01:00:26.908
my hand to see if something had bit me.

01:00:27.268 --> 01:00:29.398
It was that real.

01:00:30.478 --> 01:00:37.948
And I knew immediately what the
message was, which was, I had allowed

01:00:38.758 --> 01:00:41.878
Satan, which is a snake to pursue.

01:00:41.878 --> 01:00:46.618
I had invited him in and then it had
pursued me and it wanted to kill me.

01:00:47.278 --> 01:00:49.378
And that was its whole mission.

01:00:50.028 --> 01:00:52.348
and so I just thanked God.

01:00:52.348 --> 01:00:55.328
I said, thank you for showing
me what had happened to me.

01:00:55.368 --> 01:00:58.348
And, I think the purpose of my
mom being there was that's how

01:00:58.348 --> 01:01:00.208
the door was opened originally.

01:01:00.693 --> 01:01:05.333
Was through the things she introduced
me to unknowingly, not knowing that it

01:01:05.333 --> 01:01:10.933
was Satan We're opening ourselves up to
but that's that was the person and then

01:01:11.583 --> 01:01:14.023
that's what happened It tried to kill me.

01:01:14.083 --> 01:01:18.233
It wasn't successful, but it
that was the mission it had

01:01:20.293 --> 01:01:29.283
so knew that the dream thing worked So
the next dream is really important to me.

01:01:29.283 --> 01:01:34.623
I prayed the next day for another dream
And I said, God, I really want to know if

01:01:34.623 --> 01:01:39.213
the spirits I've been communicating with
are real or if they're demons, because

01:01:39.213 --> 01:01:42.543
there's a lot of like opinions out there.

01:01:42.613 --> 01:01:44.703
Nobody really knows, are they ghosts?

01:01:45.433 --> 01:01:48.033
Are they the spirit of
the person who died?

01:01:48.033 --> 01:01:48.703
Or are they demons?

01:01:49.748 --> 01:01:50.758
Like hauntings, right?

01:01:50.808 --> 01:01:53.838
Are they, I was really interested
in hauntings and stuff, growing

01:01:53.838 --> 01:01:56.518
up and I that kind of thing.

01:01:56.518 --> 01:02:01.048
I'd watch like reality shows
on ghost hunter people really

01:02:01.058 --> 01:02:02.498
interested in that kind of thing.

01:02:02.928 --> 01:02:06.328
I even had like goals of doing
that, I thought it'd be fun.

01:02:07.888 --> 01:02:09.708
now I know they're demon hunters really.

01:02:09.708 --> 01:02:10.938
And you can't really hunt a demon.

01:02:10.978 --> 01:02:11.738
it comes to you.

01:02:11.768 --> 01:02:12.998
It doesn't need to be hunted.

01:02:15.678 --> 01:02:20.068
yeah, I was like, I want to know,
were they the spirit of my grandma?

01:02:20.098 --> 01:02:20.938
is that her?

01:02:21.688 --> 01:02:25.288
Have I been lying to people when
they'd say their uncle came to

01:02:25.288 --> 01:02:28.788
me or their son or their sister?

01:02:28.798 --> 01:02:30.718
Have I been lying?

01:02:30.918 --> 01:02:35.098
Like not knowing I was lying, but
lying like to them being deceived.

01:02:36.423 --> 01:02:40.913
And so I wanted to have a
dream where God would tell me.

01:02:42.263 --> 01:02:46.583
were these the spirits of the
deceased or were they demons like

01:02:46.583 --> 01:02:48.113
Doreen Virtue said they were demons.

01:02:48.323 --> 01:02:55.793
So I wanted to know, and I, go to
bed and I wake, I dream I'm sitting

01:02:55.793 --> 01:03:00.263
in a room and across from me is my
grandma who had passed, my dad's mom,

01:03:00.323 --> 01:03:03.143
and that was the main person I was
always interested in communicating

01:03:03.143 --> 01:03:05.363
with because she meant so much to me.

01:03:06.238 --> 01:03:11.268
And, so I see her sitting across from me
and I'm talking to her and all of a sudden

01:03:11.268 --> 01:03:19.468
she starts to morph into this ghastly non
human thing, like her face changed, her

01:03:19.468 --> 01:03:22.188
body changed right in front of my eyes.

01:03:22.228 --> 01:03:26.228
And I woke up and that I must have
been asleep only for a few hours.

01:03:26.528 --> 01:03:30.118
And I woke up in the middle of
the night and I was like, that

01:03:30.118 --> 01:03:32.128
was the answer to my prayer.

01:03:32.658 --> 01:03:33.798
So they were demons.

01:03:33.838 --> 01:03:37.198
They were not the deceased spirits
of people I thought they were.

01:03:38.078 --> 01:03:41.688
which was, I would have been
okay with either answer.

01:03:41.918 --> 01:03:46.983
Like I still would have been a
Christian, converted, despite the answer.

01:03:47.313 --> 01:03:51.873
But I just wanted to know for my
own, testimony, and to understand.

01:03:52.283 --> 01:03:56.913
So I was grateful that God gave me
those answers, the Satan answer and the

01:03:56.973 --> 01:04:00.053
spirit, the deceased spirits answers.

01:04:00.603 --> 01:04:01.563
they are demons.

01:04:01.973 --> 01:04:05.013
I don't believe they are
the real spirits of people.

01:04:05.453 --> 01:04:09.453
I think demons know how to look
a certain way, act a certain way.

01:04:09.833 --> 01:04:11.023
They are very smart.

01:04:11.253 --> 01:04:12.823
They've been around a lot longer than us.

01:04:13.598 --> 01:04:15.818
they're much smarter than us
and they know what we want.

01:04:15.828 --> 01:04:17.618
They've been watching us our whole lives.

01:04:18.388 --> 01:04:19.608
I think they're everywhere.

01:04:19.608 --> 01:04:23.578
I don't think they're like once in
a while, like you'll run into one.

01:04:23.578 --> 01:04:30.334
I think they're waited to be
invited by a cult, by sin,

01:04:30.494 --> 01:04:33.724
Jesse: there's a verse that
says that Satan roams the earth

01:04:33.784 --> 01:04:35.714
looking for whom he may devour.

01:04:36.674 --> 01:04:40.984
So if we become devourable,
that's who he goes for.

01:04:41.704 --> 01:04:42.264
Kacy: Yes.

01:04:42.464 --> 01:04:42.924
Yeah.

01:04:42.954 --> 01:04:45.624
And he has his minions, and
there's lots of, if you look at

01:04:45.624 --> 01:04:47.724
the Bible, it says, what was it?

01:04:47.724 --> 01:04:48.964
Like a third of the angels.

01:04:50.409 --> 01:04:52.449
fell with him something like that.

01:04:53.009 --> 01:04:53.879
There's a lot of them.

01:04:54.359 --> 01:04:58.199
We don't know how much that it could, but
he says there's like as many angels as

01:04:58.199 --> 01:04:59.759
there are stars in the sky or something.

01:04:59.769 --> 01:05:05.459
So I'm thinking there's a lot, and
I'm not saying this to be scared or

01:05:05.459 --> 01:05:10.719
to be fearful of Satan or his, demons,
Jesus has already defeated them.

01:05:11.439 --> 01:05:16.819
So we're looking at a war already
won, but he knows that, but he's

01:05:16.819 --> 01:05:19.779
still going to have the fun he wants
to have and then bring as many souls

01:05:19.789 --> 01:05:21.659
with him while he has the chance.

01:05:22.369 --> 01:05:25.569
And you don't have to argue with me
about the spiritual realm being real.

01:05:26.264 --> 01:05:30.194
because like I said, I had so many
spiritual experiences of the spiritual

01:05:30.194 --> 01:05:35.334
realm and I really think God says not
to, this is my opinion, I really think

01:05:35.334 --> 01:05:40.594
God says that not to do divination,
sorcery and all those things because

01:05:40.594 --> 01:05:44.104
yes, it is offensive to him because he's,
you're not going to find him in that.

01:05:44.794 --> 01:05:49.064
It's a waste of your time, but more
so he doesn't want you in danger.

01:05:49.664 --> 01:05:55.534
because they are dangerous, they have
the capabilities of really hurting you.

01:05:55.784 --> 01:05:57.724
and I don't say that to scare people.

01:05:57.964 --> 01:06:03.084
I just want them to be aware that
I'm very, I feel very fortunate and

01:06:03.084 --> 01:06:08.634
blessed that's all that happened to
me was losing money and a few years

01:06:08.684 --> 01:06:13.989
of, obsession, I feel fortunate
that nothing worse happened to me.

01:06:14.209 --> 01:06:16.339
Like I was never possessed
as far as I know.

01:06:16.339 --> 01:06:18.939
I was never like my friend,
like I had friends who were

01:06:18.939 --> 01:06:20.319
possessed because of this stuff.

01:06:20.339 --> 01:06:24.009
Like it's very traumatic when that happens
to a person that changes you forever.

01:06:24.019 --> 01:06:25.079
It's really not fun.

01:06:25.629 --> 01:06:26.959
you talk to people who've been possessed.

01:06:26.959 --> 01:06:29.139
It's not something you have
any, you would ever want.

01:06:30.424 --> 01:06:33.554
it's traumatizing to everybody involved.

01:06:33.724 --> 01:06:35.384
so I'm blessed that never happened to me.

01:06:35.384 --> 01:06:38.014
I'm blessed that I didn't
die before I converted.

01:06:38.394 --> 01:06:41.274
I'm blessed that I now
I get to go to heaven.

01:06:41.454 --> 01:06:46.224
I, yeah, I, the best sleep of
my life was after those dreams.

01:06:46.274 --> 01:06:48.594
Cause I just knew like my
soul knew it was saved.

01:06:49.479 --> 01:06:51.969
I, because I would wake up in
the middle of the night and be

01:06:51.969 --> 01:06:53.339
like, Oh my gosh, thank you God.

01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:54.339
Thank you God.

01:06:54.969 --> 01:06:58.299
I don't have to be scared
of going to hell anymore.

01:06:58.299 --> 01:07:03.969
I didn't even realize I was scared
of that until I knew I was saved.

01:07:04.229 --> 01:07:05.159
That's what's interesting.

01:07:05.169 --> 01:07:07.619
You don't really fear hell
when you're going to hell.

01:07:08.149 --> 01:07:08.379
Jesse: Hmm.

01:07:09.089 --> 01:07:12.069
Kacy: but you, your soul knows
your soul definitely knows

01:07:12.359 --> 01:07:13.879
because I could feel a difference.

01:07:15.659 --> 01:07:16.319
Asleep.

01:07:17.019 --> 01:07:18.189
I slept peacefully.

01:07:18.329 --> 01:07:18.709
Like

01:07:19.149 --> 01:07:19.549
Jesse: does,

01:07:19.659 --> 01:07:20.169
Kacy: that up.

01:07:20.259 --> 01:07:24.424
Jesse: when you say you slept peacefully,
do you still have visitations from him?

01:07:25.144 --> 01:07:26.234
These entities.

01:07:26.464 --> 01:07:27.714
Kacy: no, I don't.

01:07:27.734 --> 01:07:32.024
I was actually like completely
delivered, which a lot of people

01:07:32.034 --> 01:07:33.584
don't experience like that.

01:07:33.704 --> 01:07:39.464
unfortunately, like Doreen Virtue says she
still had a lot of demonic activity after.

01:07:39.674 --> 01:07:43.164
I was I followed Doreen Virtue's
advice and I got rid of all my stuff.

01:07:43.264 --> 01:07:47.204
So I got rid of my broomstick,
my cards, my journals.

01:07:47.574 --> 01:07:52.484
My channel, I even deleted my social
media accounts with all that stuff.

01:07:52.664 --> 01:07:55.454
I, deleted, threw away.

01:07:55.774 --> 01:07:59.084
Interestingly enough, my hard drive
of my computer died and even the

01:07:59.084 --> 01:08:03.154
computer people couldn't figure out
why, now was that demonic or God?

01:08:03.154 --> 01:08:06.874
I have no idea, but it
was a blessing either way.

01:08:07.234 --> 01:08:07.824
Jesse: Yes.

01:08:07.974 --> 01:08:11.174
Kacy: so like it, it was
stuff like that happens.

01:08:11.594 --> 01:08:15.704
And then, like all my books, all my
new age books, I threw them away.

01:08:16.864 --> 01:08:20.274
I definitely recommend people
throw them away, if you have it.

01:08:20.594 --> 01:08:23.804
And like crystals and stuff, I had a
ton of crystals, I threw those out.

01:08:25.044 --> 01:08:28.514
And it's sad, it was sad because I
invested so much money in that stuff.

01:08:28.694 --> 01:08:29.834
Like thousands of dollars.

01:08:30.744 --> 01:08:34.344
It's all pointless,
garbage, demonic garbage.

01:08:34.824 --> 01:08:39.874
all the yoga money I'd spent like doing
yoga and being trained in it, garbage,

01:08:40.224 --> 01:08:43.624
because actually some of the most
demonic experience I ever had happened in

01:08:43.624 --> 01:08:46.024
Thailand when I was in the yoga training.

01:08:46.849 --> 01:08:50.959
I'd be visited by the Mahavidyas, which
we were like worshiping during the day.

01:08:51.369 --> 01:08:53.039
And they would come to me at night.

01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:55.269
So when people say yoga is
not spiritual, yes, it is.

01:08:55.539 --> 01:09:01.469
They visit you because those demons
that go by those goddesses or gods

01:09:01.599 --> 01:09:04.859
that you are worshiping while you're
in a certain pose are going to be

01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:06.939
opened, are going to be drawn to you.

01:09:07.549 --> 01:09:12.279
And I don't know, do demons like,
stay to one name that I, people

01:09:12.349 --> 01:09:15.059
who exercise demons say they
have a name and that they're very

01:09:15.059 --> 01:09:16.229
like clear what they are, but.

01:09:16.639 --> 01:09:18.719
They can disguise themselves
as whatever they want and

01:09:18.729 --> 01:09:20.209
they can lie and deceive you.

01:09:20.209 --> 01:09:23.209
So you can't really say what
a demon says is ever true.

01:09:24.029 --> 01:09:29.874
but I, like in my experience, Certain
ones are welcomed in by what you do.

01:09:30.434 --> 01:09:33.294
So if you're doing yoga, you're
going to get yoga gods and goddesses.

01:09:33.884 --> 01:09:39.404
And I was really into the yogi
literature, and they levitate

01:09:39.414 --> 01:09:40.264
and all these things, right?

01:09:40.284 --> 01:09:43.114
Like they talk about how much power
they have, the yogis, and that's

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why they do yoga in a way, and for
enlightenment or whatever, but that's

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all demonic, like you start to see like
people who are possessed, levitate.

01:09:54.204 --> 01:09:57.674
I knew new age authors who
could levitate, and why?

01:09:57.704 --> 01:09:59.984
Because they're Trapped in
demonic activity, convincing

01:09:59.984 --> 01:10:01.434
themselves that it's good.

01:10:01.914 --> 01:10:02.844
Angels of light.

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I thought I was communicating with
good angels, only I would pray.

01:10:07.104 --> 01:10:11.294
I like surround myself with golden
light and, all these things they

01:10:11.294 --> 01:10:12.984
teach you to stay protected.

01:10:12.984 --> 01:10:13.714
Oh, you're fine.

01:10:13.714 --> 01:10:15.434
If you stay protected, guess what?

01:10:15.794 --> 01:10:18.934
The good angels aren't going to come
to you when you're doing this stuff.

01:10:18.934 --> 01:10:20.564
Cause it goes against God's law.

01:10:20.844 --> 01:10:25.324
So you're not going to attract any good
angels because it goes against God's law.

01:10:25.814 --> 01:10:31.654
God what you're doing and they
obey God So you cannot attract

01:10:31.654 --> 01:10:33.314
a good angel doing this stuff

01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:38.489
Jesse: It sounds like, you said you
started throwing things away and all

01:10:38.489 --> 01:10:41.589
the money that you spent, it was lost.

01:10:41.629 --> 01:10:44.959
It reminded me of Paul's statement
that he counts everything as

01:10:44.959 --> 01:10:46.859
lost because he now knows.

01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:48.029
Jesus,

01:10:48.209 --> 01:10:49.769
Kacy: Yeah, I love that.

01:10:49.904 --> 01:10:52.984
Jesse: that's my paraphrase,
but that's awesome.

01:10:54.071 --> 01:10:59.601
since you were talking about getting
rid of all this paraphernalia, demonic

01:10:59.601 --> 01:11:06.431
stuff, what one piece of advice
would you like to pass on to anybody

01:11:06.431 --> 01:11:07.981
who's out there listening right now?

01:11:09.166 --> 01:11:13.573
Kacy: I think you know if you're
considering Christianity and the

01:11:13.573 --> 01:11:17.248
beliefs There and, aren't quite sure.

01:11:17.248 --> 01:11:22.768
I would just say, pray with an open
heart for God to reveal the truth

01:11:22.818 --> 01:11:27.258
to you in a way you understand,
because God used dreams for me,

01:11:27.268 --> 01:11:28.638
because that's what I understood.

01:11:28.758 --> 01:11:31.988
He wants us to reach out
to him and to know him.

01:11:32.583 --> 01:11:37.253
And if you're on the fence, like
not sure, my advice would be pray

01:11:37.253 --> 01:11:39.773
for him to reveal himself to you.

01:11:40.193 --> 01:11:43.573
because that's really what helped me.

01:11:44.023 --> 01:11:45.213
but I had never done that.

01:11:45.573 --> 01:11:47.623
I had never done that until I did.

01:11:47.623 --> 01:11:48.293
And then I knew,

01:11:50.103 --> 01:11:55.333
Jesse: Yeah, that's great advice because,
Jesus already died for our, all of

01:11:55.333 --> 01:12:00.633
our sins 2, 000 years ago, so we don't
have to beg him to forgive our sins.

01:12:00.633 --> 01:12:01.653
He's already done that.

01:12:01.653 --> 01:12:05.323
It's up to us To come
to him and to receive

01:12:05.413 --> 01:12:06.483
Kacy: And repent, yeah.

01:12:06.623 --> 01:12:08.503
The repentance is very powerful.

01:12:08.503 --> 01:12:12.683
And like, knowing that all
of us have fallen short.

01:12:13.833 --> 01:12:21.023
All of us have fallen short and so we
don't deserve God, but God is forgiving

01:12:21.023 --> 01:12:25.843
enough and loving enough to accept
us as we are when we come to him.

01:12:26.133 --> 01:12:29.793
And then he starts to do his
thing, he starts to mold us

01:12:29.793 --> 01:12:31.053
into the likeness of Christ.

01:12:31.163 --> 01:12:36.833
And so that's something that
I can't wait to share, with

01:12:36.833 --> 01:12:38.193
my husband when we come back.

01:12:38.913 --> 01:12:39.973
Jesse: I look forward to it.

01:12:40.063 --> 01:12:43.613
Would you pray for our listeners
before we wrap things up?

01:12:43.823 --> 01:12:44.193
Kacy: Yeah.

01:12:44.233 --> 01:12:44.513
Yeah.

01:12:45.543 --> 01:12:46.113
Dear God.

01:12:46.113 --> 01:12:49.413
Thank you so much for this
opportunity to talk with Jesse.

01:12:49.728 --> 01:12:54.328
And the listeners of this podcast, God,
I just pray that you bless each one of

01:12:54.328 --> 01:12:59.388
them and that you show your face and
wrap them in love and peace as that is

01:12:59.388 --> 01:13:02.038
what the message of your son really is.

01:13:02.378 --> 01:13:05.938
We just pray that people better
understand you and better understand

01:13:06.318 --> 01:13:08.108
the spiritual nature of this world.

01:13:08.938 --> 01:13:13.148
And even though we can't see with
our eyes, everything that's going on,

01:13:13.168 --> 01:13:17.888
that they just know that it's real and
they know that it's You are in control

01:13:17.888 --> 01:13:19.398
and you are sovereign over all of it.

01:13:19.928 --> 01:13:21.228
And in Jesus name we pray.

01:13:21.238 --> 01:13:21.838
Amen.

01:13:23.453 --> 01:13:24.043
Jesse: Amen.

01:13:24.973 --> 01:13:25.643
Thank you, Casey.

01:13:26.138 --> 01:13:26.498
Kacy: Thank you.

01:13:27.098 --> 01:13:27.968
Have a good day.

01:13:32.418 --> 01:13:34.618
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01:14:19.863 --> 01:14:23.373
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01:14:23.383 --> 01:14:27.753
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01:14:27.763 --> 01:14:32.803
about themselves, or that they are not
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01:14:33.243 --> 01:14:34.503
But none of that is relevant.

01:14:34.893 --> 01:14:38.333
If Jesus has changed your
life, you have a story to tell.

01:14:39.278 --> 01:14:41.688
All of our stories are completely unique.

01:14:41.988 --> 01:14:46.758
No one has a story like yours, and you
may be the only one who can reach someone

01:14:46.758 --> 01:14:48.538
else through telling your experience.

01:14:49.108 --> 01:14:50.478
So don't be intimidated.

01:14:50.808 --> 01:14:56.228
A story is just that, a true account
of your own experience, and no one

01:14:56.238 --> 01:14:58.178
can disagree with your experience.

01:14:59.133 --> 01:15:03.313
When we tell what Jesus has done in
our lives, we are being obedient to his

01:15:03.313 --> 01:15:07.533
command to go into all the world and
preach the gospel to every creature.

01:15:07.933 --> 01:15:11.783
It's not about theology, and it's not
about how interesting or special you are.

01:15:12.123 --> 01:15:13.783
It's all about Jesus.

01:15:14.563 --> 01:15:19.273
So when you're ready to tell how Jesus
has impacted your life, you can let Jesse

01:15:19.273 --> 01:15:22.393
know at his ministry website, jesseduke.

01:15:22.413 --> 01:15:22.673
net.

01:15:23.303 --> 01:15:26.483
There you can download guidelines
that will make it easy to

01:15:26.483 --> 01:15:27.943
prepare to tell your story.

01:15:28.563 --> 01:15:31.003
Thank you for listening today and Shalom.