Customer education fails when teams rush to buy technology before looking at the problem they’re trying to solve.
In this episode, I sit down with
Vicky Kennedy, Founder and Chief Education Architect of
Echtus, to explore why so many customer education programmes look impressive on the surface but fail to drive meaningful business outcomes. Vicky brings a rare blend of experience across higher education, tech, product, and strategy and makes the case that education should be treated as a strategic lever, not a content factory or a box-ticking exercise.
We explore the gap between programmes that look good and programmes that truly shift behaviour, and why that gap usually starts much earlier than teams think. We also get into AI, enterprise education architecture, and why messy foundations only lead to faster mess when automation enters the picture. If you are trying to connect education to adoption, retention, or growth, this conversation is full of practical perspectives.
Some curious takeaways:
- Start with the business problem, not the platform
- Build learning experiences that change behaviour, not just content that looks polished
- Get your strategy and data right before asking AI to scale anything
Episode highlights:
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00:00) Welcome to Harald’s Curious Corner
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01:34) From higher education to customer education strategy
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04:14) Why Vicky started Echtus
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06:56) Why outcomes should come before courses
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09:07) How org design creates silos around education
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13:42) Why enterprise education architecture matters
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18:07) The gap between polished and effective programmes
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20:39) What real learning needs to change behaviour
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23:25) Why strategy should come before platforms
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27:35) The mistakes teams make when selecting platforms
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36:29) Vicky’s vision for agentic personalisation
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39:43) What education strategy needs more of and less of
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Harald’s Curious Corner is where curiosity meets connection.
Harald chases that question with a guest, gathers perspectives from voices across the industry, and then steps back to reflect on what it all means. The show unfolds like a story arc, part exploration, part roundtable, part reflection, blending imagination with analysis.
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