WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.213 --> 00:00:25.613 Joanne: Hello 00:00:25.673 --> 00:00:27.023 Anke: and welcome, Jo. 00:00:27.113 --> 00:00:28.443 I'm very happy to have you here. 00:00:29.603 --> 00:00:30.423 Joanne: Oh, thank you, Anke. 00:00:30.423 --> 00:00:32.253 I'm really, really happy to be here. 00:00:33.673 --> 00:00:34.343 Anke: Wonderful. 00:00:34.373 --> 00:00:36.613 So let's start how we always start. 00:00:36.613 --> 00:00:40.553 Share with people where in this lovely world you are, and so 00:00:40.663 --> 00:00:42.163 what's your business with dogs? 00:00:43.723 --> 00:00:47.093 Joanne: I am in, I'm very fortunate, I'm in the beautiful, 00:00:47.353 --> 00:00:50.993 in beautiful Noosa, which is in Queensland, which is in Australia. 00:00:51.193 --> 00:00:53.683 So we're in our spring season right now. 00:00:54.173 --> 00:00:55.023 It's lovely. 00:00:56.323 --> 00:00:57.453 I've been to Noosa, I'm like 00:00:57.633 --> 00:00:57.863 Anke: jealous. 00:01:00.223 --> 00:01:03.703 Joanne: It's, it's a big destination, tourist destination spot. 00:01:03.703 --> 00:01:06.163 So at the moment, it's school holidays in Australia. 00:01:06.503 --> 00:01:08.173 So we're pretty busy here at the moment. 00:01:08.193 --> 00:01:08.683 Yeah. 00:01:09.238 --> 00:01:09.588 Yeah. 00:01:09.588 --> 00:01:12.888 And my business is called Paw and Order Noosa. 00:01:13.798 --> 00:01:16.318 Um, I love that show. 00:01:18.818 --> 00:01:21.498 And, um, yeah, so I started about four years ago. 00:01:21.508 --> 00:01:23.448 Actually, it started during COVID. 00:01:24.408 --> 00:01:27.438 There was a need for people to do online dog training. 00:01:27.438 --> 00:01:28.118 Oh, so 00:01:28.118 --> 00:01:28.458 Anke: it's 00:01:28.458 --> 00:01:28.798 Joanne: a 00:01:28.798 --> 00:01:29.478 Anke: COVID puppy. 00:01:29.478 --> 00:01:30.498 Yeah, it is 00:01:30.498 --> 00:01:30.838 Joanne: a 00:01:30.838 --> 00:01:31.518 Anke: COVID puppy. 00:01:31.518 --> 00:01:32.688 It's a COVID baby. 00:01:32.688 --> 00:01:32.798 Yes. 00:01:34.783 --> 00:01:41.363 Okay, so now tell us about, you specialize in, in something that I think a lot 00:01:41.363 --> 00:01:46.143 of people on my list might have heard about because you know, it's sort of 00:01:46.143 --> 00:01:50.533 come up a little bit, but probably don't know an awful lot about it. 00:01:51.223 --> 00:01:53.193 Joanne: Yeah, yep, that's right. 00:01:53.303 --> 00:01:58.653 I specialize in ACE being Animal Centred Education, free work. 00:01:59.533 --> 00:02:03.003 That is the brainchild of the amazing Sarah Fisher. 00:02:03.903 --> 00:02:08.143 Um, over in Bath in the UK, she's got this beautiful farm called 00:02:08.143 --> 00:02:13.733 Chilli Farm and um, I was fortunate enough to go there earlier this year. 00:02:14.473 --> 00:02:16.803 It was a huge trip, but it was wonderful. 00:02:17.063 --> 00:02:18.953 So I am studying with Sarah. 00:02:18.993 --> 00:02:21.013 I'm, um, doing her courses. 00:02:21.013 --> 00:02:24.163 So I went there for one of the practical modules, practical 00:02:24.163 --> 00:02:25.753 components of one of my modules. 00:02:26.173 --> 00:02:29.403 And that was a life changing experience. 00:02:29.403 --> 00:02:31.073 It was just fantastic. 00:02:31.123 --> 00:02:32.323 You can learn from books. 00:02:32.333 --> 00:02:33.493 You can learn from videos. 00:02:33.743 --> 00:02:37.778 But when you're actually there, It's something different and it is magical. 00:02:38.858 --> 00:02:41.798 And just inspired me even more to keep following this. 00:02:42.058 --> 00:02:45.448 Um, speaking to Sarah and there is actually no one else in Australia 00:02:45.458 --> 00:02:50.178 who, um, practices or is authorized to use the Animal Centred name. 00:02:50.608 --> 00:02:55.138 And I've been, I'm just blessed that Sarah has given me her authorization to go 00:02:55.138 --> 00:02:57.778 ahead, fly the ace flag here in Australia. 00:02:58.708 --> 00:03:03.748 So, um, Ace Free Work is all my sessions that I do with clients 00:03:03.938 --> 00:03:05.098 is all about Ace Free Work. 00:03:06.278 --> 00:03:08.438 Anke: Okay, do you want to unpack a little bit of what that means? 00:03:09.273 --> 00:03:10.123 Joanne: Yeah, sure. 00:03:10.603 --> 00:03:14.603 So free work is, um, so first of all, free work was developed by 00:03:14.623 --> 00:03:16.373 Sarah a couple of decades ago. 00:03:16.873 --> 00:03:19.283 She was working with the dogs at Battersea Dogs Home. 00:03:19.663 --> 00:03:20.593 It's a rescue there. 00:03:20.903 --> 00:03:25.273 And she realized a lot of the dogs had sensory issues. 00:03:25.703 --> 00:03:28.543 Uh, like to be touched, things like that. 00:03:28.883 --> 00:03:34.223 Um, and Sarah has a background in human, um, massage anatomy and physiology. 00:03:34.793 --> 00:03:41.963 And she, um, also took the teachings of, uh, I think her name is some pet. 00:03:42.003 --> 00:03:42.973 Oh, you know what? 00:03:43.033 --> 00:03:45.543 You can cut that out, but I can find out who that is. 00:03:45.543 --> 00:03:48.013 Um, who does sensory education with children. 00:03:49.413 --> 00:03:53.183 So she sort of looked at that model and thought, why can't we use that with dogs? 00:03:53.843 --> 00:03:58.543 So she started putting different surfaces underfoot for these dogs who had trouble, 00:03:58.553 --> 00:04:03.553 had struggled, um, and then when the dogs realized there was nothing to fear 00:04:03.553 --> 00:04:08.023 from different textures underfoot, they were more accepting of human touch. 00:04:09.378 --> 00:04:13.428 Anke: So it's really about sort of bringing that stress level down, right? 00:04:13.488 --> 00:04:14.048 It is, 00:04:14.088 --> 00:04:14.468 Joanne: yep. 00:04:14.928 --> 00:04:19.708 And free work, so it's, it's, we set up free work. 00:04:19.708 --> 00:04:27.218 So free work is, um, it's a low level activity, um, exercise, I should say, and 00:04:27.308 --> 00:04:30.028 it works on eight senses that the dog has. 00:04:30.928 --> 00:04:35.148 We definitely work with the nervous system, trying to get the dog into 00:04:35.198 --> 00:04:38.958 kind of the parasympathetic nervous system where they can just relax. 00:04:39.688 --> 00:04:42.538 Well, you know, relax and digest is what that's for. 00:04:42.768 --> 00:04:45.418 So there is, we do put food in the station. 00:04:45.418 --> 00:04:49.488 So stations are things like, you know, licky mats, snuffle mats. 00:04:49.488 --> 00:04:56.338 We, um, we put them on different heights, depending on the dog, angle the station's 00:04:56.338 --> 00:04:58.118 different surfaces on the floor. 00:04:58.913 --> 00:05:03.063 And everything's tailored is bespoke for that particular dog. 00:05:04.273 --> 00:05:10.063 And we, within that free work, the dog is got, we try not to 00:05:10.063 --> 00:05:11.593 have any equipment on the dog. 00:05:11.823 --> 00:05:12.873 I call it naked. 00:05:13.253 --> 00:05:14.413 So we have naked dogs. 00:05:14.743 --> 00:05:20.733 And, um, you're imagining, oh, there's a nudist colony in my house, but no. 00:05:21.203 --> 00:05:23.083 Um, so they get, go around. 00:05:23.083 --> 00:05:25.543 So sometimes the equipment can, um, hamper. 00:05:26.253 --> 00:05:28.753 their movement, like can hinder the way they move. 00:05:29.273 --> 00:05:32.393 And it's also, FreeWorks is also a good way to introduce equipment to 00:05:32.393 --> 00:05:36.033 dogs that may be a little bit worried about collars, harnesses, things like 00:05:36.033 --> 00:05:38.763 that, because the dogs, um, calmer. 00:05:39.153 --> 00:05:42.753 And, um, we, and it's really good for introducing novel items as well. 00:05:42.783 --> 00:05:44.013 Anke: So you put it just in there. 00:05:44.153 --> 00:05:48.283 So bottom line, like, can I just kind of sort of summarize with the area that 00:05:48.303 --> 00:05:52.333 is kind of closed off some way, so the dog can't just run off sort of thing. 00:05:52.513 --> 00:05:53.013 That's right. 00:05:53.013 --> 00:05:53.183 Yeah. 00:05:54.683 --> 00:05:55.813 Stuff in it, right? 00:05:55.813 --> 00:06:03.163 So different, you know, kind of, um, cause I've seen videos, right. 00:06:03.183 --> 00:06:06.843 And the first one, you know, and so, and then the dogs kind of sort of let loose 00:06:06.863 --> 00:06:08.873 in there and can do their own thing. 00:06:08.873 --> 00:06:11.168 They can just tinker around at their own pace. 00:06:11.498 --> 00:06:17.708 pace and like they just explore what they feel drawn to, but there's just 00:06:17.718 --> 00:06:21.448 no interaction, we don't talk to them, like there's nothing, like they're just 00:06:21.448 --> 00:06:25.458 literally sort of on their own, just like your job is to observe, right? 00:06:26.428 --> 00:06:31.828 Joanne: Yeah, that's part of our job, um, so yes, you're right, we do put things 00:06:31.828 --> 00:06:37.188 down, um, we, a big part of Ace Free Work is observation, so we met, and so 00:06:37.458 --> 00:06:42.823 within Free Work, the dog will, um, So backing that up, sorry, a little bit. 00:06:42.823 --> 00:06:48.723 Yes, the dog's free to explore, um, dogs being scavengers and, 00:06:48.783 --> 00:06:50.903 um, they love to, um, seek dogs. 00:06:50.913 --> 00:06:52.693 It's a natural thing for dogs to seek. 00:06:52.943 --> 00:06:56.033 It triggers a seeking in the dog, so it allows them to feel 00:06:56.033 --> 00:06:57.893 safe because they're being dogs. 00:06:57.903 --> 00:07:00.303 You know, doing dog behavior makes dogs feel safe. 00:07:00.793 --> 00:07:03.433 Dogs really can't achieve anything until they feel safe. 00:07:03.993 --> 00:07:05.783 So it makes them feel safe. 00:07:05.783 --> 00:07:06.863 It gives them a choice. 00:07:07.338 --> 00:07:12.648 They get a choice, you know, and that is, really makes dogs feel safe to 00:07:12.648 --> 00:07:14.628 have some control and some choice. 00:07:15.448 --> 00:07:18.958 So, they go around and they do, they use all their senses. 00:07:19.458 --> 00:07:22.478 They use their noses, they use, you know, um, which is 00:07:22.478 --> 00:07:24.118 the most important, obviously. 00:07:24.538 --> 00:07:29.658 There's, you know, touch, there's every sense that, and we tailor that with the 00:07:29.658 --> 00:07:31.158 stations that we actually put in there. 00:07:31.728 --> 00:07:34.508 Um, and it has lots of applications. 00:07:34.538 --> 00:07:38.048 But yeah, the dog goes in, we, we watch. 00:07:38.198 --> 00:07:43.138 We watch how the dog is moving, um, I usually video every session. 00:07:43.378 --> 00:07:47.818 So afterwards I can, like today I was working at the local RSPCA rescue. 00:07:48.368 --> 00:07:51.088 I try to do that once a week and just help out some of the dogs there. 00:07:51.968 --> 00:07:55.408 Um, video the session, take it home, put it on slow motion. 00:07:56.168 --> 00:07:58.218 I can really get a good look at the dog then. 00:07:58.798 --> 00:08:01.668 Um, and just see if there's any inconsistencies, maybe 00:08:01.678 --> 00:08:02.978 structurally balanced. 00:08:03.868 --> 00:08:08.218 You can see it a lot better when the dog's moving, you know, more slowly and calmly. 00:08:08.738 --> 00:08:16.493 Then you can And we do encourage the, what we do, or probably the caregiver 00:08:16.493 --> 00:08:21.783 more than us, to go in and work with the dog, to engage with the dog. 00:08:22.153 --> 00:08:22.443 Anke: Yeah. 00:08:22.703 --> 00:08:23.663 So what do you, like, 00:08:25.863 --> 00:08:27.833 okay, let me just back up one question I have. 00:08:27.963 --> 00:08:28.433 Yes. 00:08:28.603 --> 00:08:35.283 But I've seen a video with Sarah, like doing this and I'm like, oh, I would 00:08:35.293 --> 00:08:37.213 never see all the stuff she sees. 00:08:38.003 --> 00:08:42.733 So, if I don't have a background, you know, in that, like, body 00:08:42.733 --> 00:08:45.343 work, you know, do I have a chance? 00:08:45.343 --> 00:08:46.833 Yes. 00:08:47.213 --> 00:08:48.133 Joanne: It's, yeah. 00:08:48.223 --> 00:08:55.093 Well, it's, Sarah does seem to have, um, an innate, natural, organic gift of 00:08:55.263 --> 00:09:00.063 making these observations and her thought processes too about how dogs function is, 00:09:00.373 --> 00:09:02.053 is much more developed than most of us. 00:09:02.313 --> 00:09:06.133 That's the whole point though, of us going through her courses, it's, it's learning. 00:09:06.143 --> 00:09:07.443 So, that is teachable though. 00:09:08.258 --> 00:09:09.738 Oh yes, definitely. 00:09:10.038 --> 00:09:15.418 Every course, like I've just finished yesterday, the um, practical component. 00:09:15.608 --> 00:09:16.388 Yeah, thank you. 00:09:16.868 --> 00:09:18.128 Of module three. 00:09:18.568 --> 00:09:20.478 Part of that is I film my dog. 00:09:20.888 --> 00:09:21.778 Doing free work. 00:09:22.328 --> 00:09:23.638 We go within a group. 00:09:23.648 --> 00:09:24.478 We do a Zoom. 00:09:24.818 --> 00:09:27.988 I mean, I'd like to be at Tilly Farm, but I can't do it for every module. 00:09:28.668 --> 00:09:32.438 We do a Zoom and we literally put that on slow motion and we go 00:09:32.578 --> 00:09:34.158 through and we make observations. 00:09:34.168 --> 00:09:38.318 So, you know, obviously my observation skills aren't nearly as good as Sarah's 00:09:38.318 --> 00:09:44.808 or my tutor in my course, but seeing what they're talking about and like, Oh, right. 00:09:44.968 --> 00:09:46.088 I see what you're saying. 00:09:46.423 --> 00:09:49.923 Definitely helps to, to educate us on what we're saying. 00:09:49.923 --> 00:09:49.953 And 00:09:49.993 --> 00:09:54.043 Anke: even, even like the, the dog owners say, if I do that with my dogs. 00:09:55.043 --> 00:09:57.953 Without taking the cause, there's still something like 00:09:58.003 --> 00:09:59.603 that will be still helpful to me. 00:09:59.863 --> 00:10:00.993 Oh, for sure. 00:10:01.433 --> 00:10:02.623 Joanne: Yeah, absolutely. 00:10:02.713 --> 00:10:03.393 Absolutely. 00:10:03.573 --> 00:10:08.153 Engaging all those, um, senses and all those, yeah, it's just great for your dog. 00:10:08.413 --> 00:10:12.053 And just giving your dog the chance to reset, pretty much. 00:10:12.053 --> 00:10:12.453 Yeah. 00:10:12.523 --> 00:10:13.393 And giving them choice. 00:10:13.763 --> 00:10:15.193 That's what dogs need is choice. 00:10:15.253 --> 00:10:15.363 Yeah. 00:10:16.318 --> 00:10:16.758 Anke: Yeah. 00:10:16.808 --> 00:10:20.738 So you mentioned, okay, observation is one part, but you can also 00:10:20.758 --> 00:10:22.008 go in and work with them. 00:10:22.028 --> 00:10:22.968 So what does that mean? 00:10:22.968 --> 00:10:23.978 What do you do with them? 00:10:24.118 --> 00:10:28.488 And what's, like, what's the point, like, what are you achieving there? 00:10:28.488 --> 00:10:29.258 Joanne: Yeah, exactly. 00:10:29.258 --> 00:10:33.258 So as a dog, I don't like to call myself a dog trainer. 00:10:33.258 --> 00:10:39.663 I like to call myself a dog educator now, because, um, what I do is, encourage the 00:10:39.663 --> 00:10:43.863 caregivers, the owners of the dogs, to do this within the free work setting. 00:10:43.873 --> 00:10:49.123 So I, I enable them to teach their dogs life skills, things 00:10:49.123 --> 00:10:52.283 like recall, which we know is so important for dogs to come back. 00:10:52.293 --> 00:10:56.553 And I mean, the basis of a good recall is for your dog to trust you 00:10:56.553 --> 00:10:59.293 and you to trust your dog and that your relationship's really good. 00:10:59.293 --> 00:11:00.783 And your dog wants to come back to you. 00:11:01.493 --> 00:11:06.873 So we start that by doing, um, games with the dog within free work, things 00:11:06.873 --> 00:11:08.923 like Chirag Patel's counting game. 00:11:09.353 --> 00:11:12.733 And his bucket game, things like that we will use. 00:11:12.743 --> 00:11:17.623 So basically it's your dog coming, you go around the station, you can do the 00:11:17.623 --> 00:11:21.663 counting game where you one, you know, and, and the dog's like, Oh, okay. 00:11:21.693 --> 00:11:26.173 Every time she does that, she puts a treat in, but the dog is always free to opt out. 00:11:26.813 --> 00:11:28.173 That's the whole point of free work. 00:11:28.383 --> 00:11:30.153 The dog is free to opt out. 00:11:30.183 --> 00:11:33.973 And we encourage them to do that because by realizing they have a choice. 00:11:34.928 --> 00:11:39.208 they can then start to self regulate and make better choices. 00:11:39.998 --> 00:11:40.628 I love that. 00:11:40.728 --> 00:11:40.808 I 00:11:40.808 --> 00:11:40.998 Anke: love 00:11:41.008 --> 00:11:41.198 Joanne: that. 00:11:41.308 --> 00:11:41.658 Yeah. 00:11:41.788 --> 00:11:42.808 It's not this like, 00:11:42.808 --> 00:11:44.988 Anke: you know, sitzplatz kind of thing, you know? 00:11:45.108 --> 00:11:45.378 No. 00:11:46.088 --> 00:11:49.538 So basically you go in there with the dog and then do these games. 00:11:49.548 --> 00:11:52.068 So, so they, but they basically with you. 00:11:52.288 --> 00:11:54.758 But if they, I think it's also great. 00:11:55.268 --> 00:12:00.028 I mean, them having a choice, I think it's, it's so helpful in so many levels, 00:12:00.048 --> 00:12:03.698 but I think it teaches us also where, where they're limited, you know, when 00:12:03.698 --> 00:12:09.478 they get bored, you know, throwing balls with my dogs when after like the 50th 00:12:09.618 --> 00:12:11.198 time they go like, Oh, for God's sake, 00:12:13.538 --> 00:12:15.938 catch that on Zuno when they can walk away, right. 00:12:16.818 --> 00:12:20.098 Joanne: Yeah, and I, that's actually part of, one of my favorite parts 00:12:20.098 --> 00:12:22.888 of free work is watching the different dogs do different things 00:12:22.888 --> 00:12:24.508 and we call them finishing cues. 00:12:24.898 --> 00:12:28.008 They will, they will do things to show you that they're finished now. 00:12:28.888 --> 00:12:35.308 We have also found that free work usually takes around 15 to 17 minutes. 00:12:35.548 --> 00:12:36.728 That's about the limit. 00:12:37.058 --> 00:12:42.178 Which gets you thinking, what else do dogs only need to do 15 to 17 minutes? 00:12:43.108 --> 00:12:44.928 So yeah, it's really interesting. 00:12:45.118 --> 00:12:48.968 And if we then look at the model of the street dogs or free living 00:12:48.968 --> 00:12:51.908 dogs, there's a lot of that that correlates to them as well. 00:12:52.418 --> 00:12:57.653 So yeah, within, within free work we can, um, With the finishing cues, like 00:12:57.693 --> 00:13:01.793 some dogs, it's a little bit tricky to work out whether they're done or not. 00:13:02.543 --> 00:13:08.133 My dog will tend to go around for her, she's textbook 15 to 18 minutes. 00:13:08.643 --> 00:13:12.193 She'll look at me, I'm like, oh, you might be finished, she'll have a drink. 00:13:13.363 --> 00:13:17.343 She will look outside the door and she'll come back and lie down in front of me. 00:13:17.903 --> 00:13:18.623 Like, I'm done. 00:13:19.983 --> 00:13:22.473 Other dogs will go and Counter surf. 00:13:22.823 --> 00:13:24.653 They'll jump up on the bench and have a look. 00:13:24.803 --> 00:13:25.233 Why? 00:13:25.303 --> 00:13:28.983 There's food up there, yes, but there's food in the, in the free work as well. 00:13:29.643 --> 00:13:30.603 Oh, that's right. 00:13:31.003 --> 00:13:31.973 Yeah, it is quite amazing. 00:13:31.973 --> 00:13:32.593 So do you have 00:13:32.673 --> 00:13:37.643 Anke: like a station, uh, kind of set up that's permanently kind of 00:13:37.663 --> 00:13:40.793 set up that you change around a bit or how would that normally work? 00:13:40.803 --> 00:13:44.613 Or do people, and at what point, like what do I, what can I do at 00:13:44.613 --> 00:13:46.803 home and what do I come to you for? 00:13:47.833 --> 00:13:48.683 Joanne: Yeah, so 00:13:51.013 --> 00:13:58.438 it's probably good to come to me first, um, to learn What, what 00:13:58.458 --> 00:14:00.308 stations your dog will benefit from. 00:14:00.948 --> 00:14:04.028 And also for me to do some, so if you're coming to me because your dog's 00:14:04.028 --> 00:14:07.768 reactive or your dog's got a particular behavior that you'd like looked at, 00:14:08.238 --> 00:14:10.778 um, because something like reactivity. 00:14:10.818 --> 00:14:16.078 So, 82 percent of dogs who display reactive behavior are in chronic pain. 00:14:17.568 --> 00:14:21.328 So that's usually, you know, reason for, you know, different behaviors. 00:14:21.748 --> 00:14:26.178 So I can then, they come to me, I observe the dog, or you can do it online. 00:14:26.338 --> 00:14:27.228 I can do it online. 00:14:27.628 --> 00:14:31.608 Um, observe your dog and say, yeah, yeah, definitely. 00:14:31.968 --> 00:14:36.068 Um, and observe the dog and say, it may be worth a veterinary visit. 00:14:36.383 --> 00:14:39.923 Or maybe just, you know, go see the chiropractor or physio, because I 00:14:39.973 --> 00:14:41.473 think I'm seeing something here. 00:14:41.883 --> 00:14:43.913 That's the most important thing to do first. 00:14:44.253 --> 00:14:48.723 And then I will work with you to, obviously, depending on what the 00:14:48.723 --> 00:14:52.593 professional, the vet has said, um, I'll work with you then to 00:14:52.623 --> 00:14:55.713 set up stations that are going to make your dog more comfortable. 00:14:56.293 --> 00:15:00.323 And if it's a physio, like my dog needs physios, and the, and the 00:15:00.433 --> 00:15:04.703 vet suggested doing cavaletties and sit to stands on a raised platform, 00:15:04.963 --> 00:15:06.023 we do that within free work. 00:15:07.553 --> 00:15:10.573 So again, she's free to opt out if she'd like to. 00:15:11.563 --> 00:15:13.203 And, um, yeah, it's great. 00:15:13.223 --> 00:15:14.343 She does it within there. 00:15:14.863 --> 00:15:17.773 And yeah, so then, um, I would say that to you. 00:15:17.823 --> 00:15:21.313 So these are the kind of stations, but don't have always the same stations. 00:15:21.343 --> 00:15:22.303 Move them around. 00:15:22.613 --> 00:15:24.203 You know, it's like any kind of physio. 00:15:24.203 --> 00:15:27.093 You need to be moving those muscles up and down and around, 00:15:27.163 --> 00:15:28.703 not just one static station. 00:15:29.593 --> 00:15:32.313 And, um, I myself, I'm very fortunate. 00:15:32.313 --> 00:15:35.793 I have a room that I just have free work set up in all the time. 00:15:36.538 --> 00:15:37.968 It doesn't need to be expensive. 00:15:38.038 --> 00:15:41.208 People can find things probably in their home to use. 00:15:41.868 --> 00:15:47.598 Um, you know, dollar shops or, um, you know, like opportunity shops or something 00:15:47.598 --> 00:15:49.498 like that will have things that you need. 00:15:50.008 --> 00:15:52.038 Always important though to have non slippery floors. 00:15:52.908 --> 00:15:53.258 Anke: Yes. 00:15:53.558 --> 00:15:54.298 Yeah, that makes sense. 00:15:56.218 --> 00:15:56.698 Yeah. 00:15:57.068 --> 00:15:58.788 Joanne: And we offer things at different heights. 00:15:58.788 --> 00:16:02.698 Like, sorry, I was going to say, you put water bowls, two water 00:16:02.698 --> 00:16:04.708 bowls in there, different heights. 00:16:04.718 --> 00:16:06.188 So you know which one your dog prefers. 00:16:07.708 --> 00:16:13.158 Anke: Oh, I think that's also like, which food do they like, you 00:16:13.158 --> 00:16:14.778 know, what do they actually go for? 00:16:14.778 --> 00:16:15.038 Right. 00:16:15.068 --> 00:16:16.318 I think that's so interesting. 00:16:17.148 --> 00:16:17.768 Joanne: That's right. 00:16:17.778 --> 00:16:21.398 So we encourage people to put different flavors, textures, 00:16:21.408 --> 00:16:24.148 sizes of food in there for them. 00:16:25.958 --> 00:16:28.948 Obviously we recommend, you know, take a certain amount of your dog's 00:16:28.948 --> 00:16:33.118 daily diet out because you don't want them to put on weight doing it. 00:16:33.728 --> 00:16:38.318 Um, but yeah, and licky surfaces, you, we have licky surfaces. 00:16:38.348 --> 00:16:40.428 You can use all different things on that. 00:16:40.468 --> 00:16:47.738 You can use anything, peanut butter, oils, um, cheese, not too much of that, but 00:16:47.738 --> 00:16:49.588 you know, anything that your dog likes. 00:16:49.588 --> 00:16:50.248 Yeah, for sure. 00:16:50.498 --> 00:16:54.928 And we include crunchy items as well to chew on because some dogs. 00:16:55.303 --> 00:17:01.343 Well, all dogs find chewing obviously a de stressor, but some dogs don't 00:17:01.343 --> 00:17:03.873 feel that they can carry on in the session until they've chewed. 00:17:04.443 --> 00:17:07.183 Some dogs will wait till the end of the session and then chew. 00:17:08.313 --> 00:17:09.503 Some dogs do it in the middle. 00:17:10.023 --> 00:17:10.043 Yeah. 00:17:11.363 --> 00:17:16.113 Sarah tells the story of one dog that wasn't able to cope at all, 00:17:16.393 --> 00:17:19.068 would just stand there watching everyone until they'd stopped chewing. 00:17:19.328 --> 00:17:23.118 gave it tooth and the dog would chew and then just go 00:17:23.118 --> 00:17:24.498 and engage with the free work. 00:17:25.658 --> 00:17:26.128 Anke: That's incredible. 00:17:26.418 --> 00:17:30.518 So you have to literally listen to your dog, like kind of, even at the 00:17:30.548 --> 00:17:35.288 start, figure out like, what is it that makes this interesting and fun for you? 00:17:36.433 --> 00:17:38.003 And that's also a really good, 00:17:40.093 --> 00:17:40.893 Joanne: that's right. 00:17:40.893 --> 00:17:45.213 Yes, you do it with them, which is strengthening your bond and 00:17:45.213 --> 00:17:46.683 your relationship with your dog. 00:17:46.693 --> 00:17:50.223 And it's creating also a lot of trust between the both of you. 00:17:50.443 --> 00:17:52.273 Cause the dog sees you enabling it. 00:17:52.953 --> 00:17:54.553 Yeah, only one dog at a time. 00:17:54.883 --> 00:17:58.173 Anke: You don't put two dogs in there, it's like my two big ones 00:17:58.243 --> 00:17:59.333 would kind of run around there. 00:18:00.593 --> 00:18:04.963 Joanne: Yeah, no, just, just one at a time for different reasons. 00:18:04.963 --> 00:18:07.823 I mean, one of them is like, it can be, if you've got a multi dog 00:18:07.823 --> 00:18:10.223 household, that can be your special time with that particular dog. 00:18:11.288 --> 00:18:13.388 And that's another interesting thing, thing too. 00:18:13.388 --> 00:18:18.158 What we can do in free work is introduce dogs, um, to each other. 00:18:20.078 --> 00:18:24.248 Um, so what we do is we will put, um, two se separate, free 00:18:24.248 --> 00:18:28.508 works up and, and different areas so they cannot see each other. 00:18:28.988 --> 00:18:32.258 They both interact and then you swap them around without meeting 00:18:32.258 --> 00:18:33.878 each other, swap them around. 00:18:33.878 --> 00:18:36.338 They, they engage in each other's free work settings. 00:18:36.338 --> 00:18:37.448 They get the smell. 00:18:37.448 --> 00:18:37.808 Yeah. 00:18:38.048 --> 00:18:42.158 And then you'll see, you'll be able to slowly move them closer together. 00:18:42.508 --> 00:18:47.158 You may get dogs that can get on, or you may never, I mean some dogs 00:18:47.158 --> 00:18:51.328 may never want to get on, I mean that's just what happens, but a good 00:18:51.328 --> 00:18:54.288 amount of the time the dogs will, yeah, be fine with each other then. 00:18:55.548 --> 00:18:56.128 Anke: That's so cool. 00:18:57.328 --> 00:18:59.288 I think there's a whole world to discover here. 00:18:59.288 --> 00:19:02.978 So where can people go and find out more about it and get in 00:19:02.978 --> 00:19:04.348 touch with you and all of that? 00:19:05.438 --> 00:19:10.078 Joanne: Yeah, so I, my website will tell you a lot about what I do. 00:19:10.688 --> 00:19:14.983 Um, that's, www. 00:19:15.163 --> 00:19:15.303 coordinutha. 00:19:15.353 --> 00:19:15.543 com. 00:19:15.753 --> 00:19:17.773 au You can see me on all the socials. 00:19:17.773 --> 00:19:19.903 Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. 00:19:19.973 --> 00:19:20.973 I have a YouTube channel. 00:19:21.213 --> 00:19:24.763 You'll see a lot of my videos on there. 00:19:24.773 --> 00:19:25.513 Warts and all. 00:19:26.023 --> 00:19:28.293 That sometimes things don't go smoothly. 00:19:28.323 --> 00:19:29.843 And that's great too. 00:19:30.443 --> 00:19:32.003 Because we learn from that. 00:19:32.123 --> 00:19:33.593 We definitely learn from that. 00:19:34.518 --> 00:19:38.428 Um, yeah, so they can, they can call me, they can text me, they, 00:19:38.508 --> 00:19:42.718 whatever, yeah, happy to, can do online sessions for people as well. 00:19:43.128 --> 00:19:47.468 In the same way, you know, I would, they just need to do videos and 00:19:47.468 --> 00:19:49.208 Zooms, things like that with me. 00:19:49.278 --> 00:19:49.638 Anke: Yeah. 00:19:49.798 --> 00:19:50.678 Joanne: I mean, I guess most people 00:19:51.238 --> 00:19:54.068 Anke: probably want to come to Noosa, but it's not always that easy. 00:19:55.418 --> 00:19:55.878 Joanne: Yes. 00:19:56.008 --> 00:19:56.958 Yeah, that's right. 00:19:57.048 --> 00:19:57.648 Um. 00:19:58.353 --> 00:19:59.683 It's getting much more popular. 00:19:59.913 --> 00:20:01.803 Like free work is becoming much more popular. 00:20:01.803 --> 00:20:06.483 People are seeing the benefits, especially like my speciality is reactive dogs. 00:20:07.073 --> 00:20:13.103 Um, and I just love seeing the magic that free work brings to reactive dogs. 00:20:13.133 --> 00:20:16.713 It's, um, I've had people say, what did you do? 00:20:16.713 --> 00:20:19.493 It's like, it's free work magic. 00:20:20.338 --> 00:20:21.058 I love it. 00:20:21.058 --> 00:20:21.158 Free 00:20:21.158 --> 00:20:22.018 Anke: work magic. 00:20:22.058 --> 00:20:22.578 I love it. 00:20:22.848 --> 00:20:25.448 So all the links, if you're listening, watching, they're going 00:20:25.448 --> 00:20:29.168 to be, you know, below in the show notes, in the, in the description. 00:20:29.208 --> 00:20:32.488 If you're on the newsletter, obviously it's just right above and below. 00:20:32.498 --> 00:20:33.458 So enjoy. 00:20:33.548 --> 00:20:34.578 Go check it out. 00:20:34.658 --> 00:20:36.018 It's magnificent. 00:20:36.568 --> 00:20:38.808 It's just like, it's just like, Yeah, I don't know. 00:20:38.828 --> 00:20:41.908 It's just like, I've just seen glimpses of it and I'm like really curious. 00:20:41.918 --> 00:20:45.928 So thank you so much for coming and unpacking that a little bit so 00:20:45.928 --> 00:20:50.018 people really understand what this is all about and the power it has. 00:20:50.538 --> 00:20:51.498 So it has. 00:20:51.818 --> 00:20:54.368 Joanne: Thank you so much for giving me that opportunity, Anke. 00:20:54.418 --> 00:20:55.318 That's amazing. 00:20:55.348 --> 00:20:55.668 Thank you. 00:20:56.248 --> 00:20:56.508 Thank 00:20:56.508 --> 00:20:56.918 Anke: you. 00:20:57.398 --> 00:20:58.348 Joanne: It's amazing. 00:20:59.088 --> 00:20:59.468 Amazing. 00:21:02.419 --> 00:21:03.649 Thanks so much for listening. 00:21:04.169 --> 00:21:08.469 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:21:08.569 --> 00:21:10.349 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:21:11.139 --> 00:21:14.629 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:21:15.059 --> 00:21:20.629 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:21:20.729 --> 00:21:23.099 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:21:23.099 --> 00:21:26.829 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:21:27.249 --> 00:21:28.389 I'd love an introduction. 00:21:28.869 --> 00:21:30.699 Email me at Anke. 00:21:30.969 --> 00:21:35.204 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.