WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:24.328 --> 00:00:26.178 Anke: Hello and welcome, Akoy. 00:00:26.248 --> 00:00:27.658 I'm delighted to have you here 00:00:27.658 --> 00:00:28.328 Arcui: with me today. 00:00:29.528 --> 00:00:32.638 Honestly, Anke, when you reached out to me, it felt like this is 00:00:32.638 --> 00:00:33.848 something I should be a part of. 00:00:33.888 --> 00:00:37.228 I know that, you know, this is a conversation and of course you'll 00:00:37.228 --> 00:00:39.778 introduce the concepts and everything we'll be talking about in a bit, but 00:00:40.128 --> 00:00:44.438 animal welfare is something that's very close to me and I have a reputation of 00:00:44.468 --> 00:00:48.268 leaving meetings to go and save dogs, so I was really excited to be here. 00:00:48.268 --> 00:00:49.158 So thank you for having me. 00:00:50.103 --> 00:00:50.343 Oh, 00:00:50.343 --> 00:00:50.863 Anke: I love that. 00:00:50.863 --> 00:00:51.283 I love that. 00:00:51.313 --> 00:00:52.863 Like, tell me more about leaving pages. 00:00:54.603 --> 00:00:58.543 Like, before we go anywhere else, just, you know, for people who don't know you, 00:00:58.553 --> 00:01:00.163 where you're based, what's your day job? 00:01:00.703 --> 00:01:01.313 And, uh, 00:01:01.333 --> 00:01:01.983 Arcui: we'll take it from there. 00:01:02.748 --> 00:01:03.148 Wonderful. 00:01:03.158 --> 00:01:04.688 So my name is Anke Osora. 00:01:04.728 --> 00:01:05.718 I'm currently in India. 00:01:05.718 --> 00:01:08.938 I do travel around a lot, but India is where I reside the most. 00:01:09.778 --> 00:01:13.718 I am the founder of a global brand strategy consultancy where we mostly 00:01:13.718 --> 00:01:17.608 work with forward thinking entrepreneurs who are truly impact driven and want 00:01:17.618 --> 00:01:19.408 to uplift their community of users. 00:01:19.708 --> 00:01:22.018 We help them create brands that can gravitate their 00:01:22.108 --> 00:01:23.108 right audience towards them. 00:01:23.388 --> 00:01:27.498 I'm also a facilitator, podcaster, a published author, a huge dog herder 00:01:27.498 --> 00:01:28.718 and dog rescuer, hence I'm here. 00:01:29.353 --> 00:01:33.073 And someone who coaches creators in the business of design and freelancing. 00:01:33.523 --> 00:01:37.143 So that's a very micro version of everything I do. 00:01:37.583 --> 00:01:39.103 And yeah, I hope I answered all your questions. 00:01:39.723 --> 00:01:43.898 Anke: I'm just thinking, Ooh, I want to have you back for another podcast I 00:01:43.898 --> 00:01:44.453 Arcui: have. 00:01:44.453 --> 00:01:44.973 Anke: I love that. 00:01:45.723 --> 00:01:51.808 So, so Tell me, I mean, just, just give us an overview, you know, because I just 00:01:51.808 --> 00:01:56.968 want to mention the way we met is someone who we both know, uh, said, Hey, you 00:01:56.968 --> 00:01:58.438 know, you're doing this thing with dogs. 00:01:58.458 --> 00:01:59.738 You should talk to Akbar. 00:01:59.988 --> 00:02:04.698 He loves dogs and he's a big, you know, and so, and I just 00:02:04.698 --> 00:02:05.858 reached out and here we are. 00:02:05.858 --> 00:02:06.118 Right. 00:02:06.118 --> 00:02:08.488 So it's like, what is it that 00:02:08.488 --> 00:02:10.008 Arcui: you're doing with dogs? 00:02:10.028 --> 00:02:12.728 Well, uh, first of all, thank you to Paula James for the 00:02:12.728 --> 00:02:14.128 shout out and for connecting us. 00:02:14.258 --> 00:02:15.288 I really appreciate that. 00:02:15.638 --> 00:02:17.138 And so. 00:02:17.493 --> 00:02:19.403 I do a lot of things with animal welfare. 00:02:19.403 --> 00:02:23.723 I'm, in fact, in the process of getting certified as a proper veterinarian 00:02:23.723 --> 00:02:28.603 because of too many things, but I have been someone who has burned his face 00:02:28.613 --> 00:02:32.963 trying to rescue dogs, who is currently asked not to be in rescue zones because 00:02:32.993 --> 00:02:36.673 of a psychological evaluation where I can no longer handle things, but 00:02:37.063 --> 00:02:40.373 the thing is, I'm someone who has Who honestly cares a lot about dogs. 00:02:40.373 --> 00:02:42.953 I've had seven dogs in total throughout my life. 00:02:42.953 --> 00:02:45.323 I've currently two that are sleeping on the bed near me 00:02:45.653 --> 00:02:48.003 and I've rescued over 500 dogs. 00:02:48.073 --> 00:02:53.023 Most of my job is to, I used to manage teams for other organizations first. 00:02:53.023 --> 00:02:55.103 When I was leaders, I was one of the captains over there. 00:02:55.423 --> 00:02:57.753 Then I realized that they were cutting corners and they 00:02:57.763 --> 00:02:58.653 were not really dedicated. 00:02:58.693 --> 00:03:00.493 So I started my own organization. 00:03:00.503 --> 00:03:03.043 Well, that was more of like managing multiple teams. 00:03:03.043 --> 00:03:06.743 So I used to manage close to 20 teams that had 40 people in each of them. 00:03:07.163 --> 00:03:12.053 And now I'm someone who is trying to build our overall home for dogs. 00:03:12.113 --> 00:03:13.073 I hate shelters. 00:03:13.483 --> 00:03:16.933 I think they're demeaning and it makes it all, it just makes 00:03:16.933 --> 00:03:20.053 dogs more scared and depressed and it's a stressful environment. 00:03:20.363 --> 00:03:25.258 So currently what I'm working towards is trying to create a Purchase a property 00:03:25.258 --> 00:03:29.938 and adopt all these dogs as my own, as my pets, and provide them a decent amount 00:03:29.938 --> 00:03:33.788 of luxury, and instead of trying to find foster homes for them, keep them there 00:03:33.808 --> 00:03:37.508 with me, and provide all the resources they'll require, and love them as if 00:03:37.568 --> 00:03:41.908 they're my family, and convert this into a business model where individuals can 00:03:41.908 --> 00:03:45.768 sponsor dogs, they can buy merchandise, there's content created around them, 00:03:45.778 --> 00:03:49.968 because one thing as a brand strategist, I understand that it's the narrative. 00:03:50.308 --> 00:03:54.288 If you look at a video of a sad dog that needs help, You're going to skip it. 00:03:54.298 --> 00:03:57.658 Any sort of, we see all these NGO and non profit ads and we want to skip 00:03:57.658 --> 00:03:59.108 them because it takes a toll on us. 00:03:59.368 --> 00:04:03.348 But rather if you see a funny video of a dog who might be three legged or might 00:04:03.348 --> 00:04:06.988 be missing an eye, but he's doing stupid stuff, having the fun of his life, and 00:04:07.168 --> 00:04:10.088 he's having fun with everybody else, and you're seeing fun content around this. 00:04:10.388 --> 00:04:11.018 You're going to love it. 00:04:11.018 --> 00:04:15.008 You're going to watch it and you're going to ignore the part that he was rescued or 00:04:15.008 --> 00:04:18.738 she was rescued, but rather they're having good life now and you can be a part of 00:04:18.778 --> 00:04:23.508 it, but it's not that we're demeaning you, it's showing the post work after rescue. 00:04:23.918 --> 00:04:27.838 I'm someone who's constantly involved in animal welfare as much as I can be. 00:04:28.168 --> 00:04:28.608 And. 00:04:28.918 --> 00:04:31.608 I've been called to go on rescue missions sometimes. 00:04:31.668 --> 00:04:35.898 I'm mostly called when they're rescues in mountains because I know parkour and I 00:04:36.108 --> 00:04:38.518 can handle myself in hills and everything. 00:04:38.518 --> 00:04:41.738 So I get asked when they're emergency situations or if a dog is 00:04:41.738 --> 00:04:45.478 extremely traumatized and it's not responding because of me knowing 00:04:45.508 --> 00:04:46.918 how to deal with so many dogs. 00:04:46.918 --> 00:04:49.508 I know how to engage with them, how to calm them down, 00:04:49.508 --> 00:04:50.858 how to have them sire on me. 00:04:50.898 --> 00:04:51.138 So yeah. 00:04:52.018 --> 00:04:52.448 I love it. 00:04:54.608 --> 00:04:58.478 Anke: I just love it because, I mean, I don't know, it's part of the reason I 00:04:58.478 --> 00:05:00.318 even started this Soul Touch for Dogs. 00:05:00.328 --> 00:05:01.918 It's kind of that same thing. 00:05:01.918 --> 00:05:06.648 It's this whole, you know, almost like starting at the source of the 00:05:06.648 --> 00:05:10.178 problem rather than like, okay, we just pop them in some shelter now, 00:05:10.548 --> 00:05:11.468 you know, where there's I love it. 00:05:12.178 --> 00:05:15.338 As you say, you know, where it's more like a prison, it's not, it's not really. 00:05:15.368 --> 00:05:20.498 And, and also have it with a proper business model, because, you know, 00:05:20.528 --> 00:05:23.898 the saddest thing is when, when, I don't know, especially here in Spain, 00:05:23.898 --> 00:05:27.178 there's lots of, you know, sort of young girls, they kind of have no jobs 00:05:27.178 --> 00:05:30.358 and they sort of like scrape together something to sort of feed the dogs. 00:05:30.358 --> 00:05:34.993 I'm like, this would be so, you know, you know, there's a different income 00:05:34.993 --> 00:05:39.513 source so to have this and this more positive approach to it rather than like 00:05:39.583 --> 00:05:43.333 the misery and please give me something I just couldn't love this more and so 00:05:43.343 --> 00:05:46.923 how did you how did you get into that like how did you rescue your first dog? 00:05:47.883 --> 00:05:52.948 Arcui: I think it's still very weak for me I I remember when I was a very young kid, 00:05:52.948 --> 00:05:54.568 I used to be scared of the street dogs. 00:05:54.598 --> 00:05:59.098 And I'd be scared to cross the, and once I entered the lane, my house 00:05:59.138 --> 00:06:02.688 would be like five apartments after, and there'd be multiple street dogs. 00:06:02.688 --> 00:06:06.578 And I'd always be scared when I would be coming back in the evening for maybe some 00:06:06.578 --> 00:06:08.168 sort of tuition or something like that. 00:06:08.168 --> 00:06:09.108 And I'd be very scared. 00:06:09.638 --> 00:06:14.788 And I don't know, slowly I started to realize that they're not trying 00:06:14.788 --> 00:06:17.138 to scare me, but they're just trying to protect themselves. 00:06:17.698 --> 00:06:18.028 Um. 00:06:18.668 --> 00:06:19.758 It just happened in the moment. 00:06:19.758 --> 00:06:22.668 The first time I rescued a dog, it just happened in the moment because 00:06:23.428 --> 00:06:27.968 throughout my own journey of discovering who I am as an individual, I started 00:06:28.038 --> 00:06:31.648 to fear less about that the world is out for me, but rather just trying to 00:06:31.908 --> 00:06:33.528 make a better place for themselves. 00:06:33.608 --> 00:06:39.243 And I remember seeing this dog when I was trekking and This dog was injured. 00:06:39.243 --> 00:06:42.813 And while it was very scared, the moment I started approaching it, 00:06:42.813 --> 00:06:44.693 it was growling and everything. 00:06:45.033 --> 00:06:46.243 And I started going towards it. 00:06:46.543 --> 00:06:48.563 He bit my finger and I was like, that's all right. 00:06:48.603 --> 00:06:50.323 I didn't harm him or something. 00:06:50.893 --> 00:06:53.023 And I was like, then I calmed him down. 00:06:53.053 --> 00:06:56.223 And I always used to carry a lot of medical kits because I get injured a 00:06:56.223 --> 00:06:57.603 lot when I'm trekking and everything. 00:06:57.903 --> 00:06:59.613 So then I cleaned him up quickly. 00:06:59.613 --> 00:07:01.048 And then I Calm him. 00:07:01.058 --> 00:07:03.778 Then he hugged me and his nails were very sharp. 00:07:03.778 --> 00:07:06.398 He was like a mini puppy and everything, but his nails were very sharp. 00:07:06.688 --> 00:07:10.268 So then I hugged him and like he climbed up with me and then I took him to the vet 00:07:10.768 --> 00:07:12.658 and that was just like a one time thing. 00:07:12.658 --> 00:07:15.668 But after that, I kept wanting to do that. 00:07:15.968 --> 00:07:17.038 I kept wanting to. 00:07:17.468 --> 00:07:17.868 Be there. 00:07:17.918 --> 00:07:20.028 And there's something I call about purpose. 00:07:20.028 --> 00:07:23.188 We talk a lot about purpose in branding and brand strategy because 00:07:23.448 --> 00:07:26.008 it's something a lot of people ignore, but I think it's very important. 00:07:26.018 --> 00:07:29.218 And purpose is not something you can discover. 00:07:29.218 --> 00:07:33.468 You're not born with it, but you discover more of it the more you do. 00:07:33.778 --> 00:07:37.948 When you do things that fulfill you, you open that layer of purpose and you realize 00:07:37.948 --> 00:07:39.508 that all right, this is the next step. 00:07:39.758 --> 00:07:43.198 And so while I thought it was helping businesses that are, you know, trying to 00:07:43.208 --> 00:07:46.498 change the world or helping freelancers that would love to be able to be free 00:07:46.498 --> 00:07:50.508 of, you know, unnecessary stress, I realized that my next stage is to 00:07:50.508 --> 00:07:55.598 help Dogs to be able to feel free and not be scared to be their best self. 00:07:55.988 --> 00:07:58.768 And so I got involved in rescue drives. 00:07:58.768 --> 00:08:02.498 I got involved in adoption drives and one through one thing or the 00:08:02.498 --> 00:08:05.398 other people started calling me, Hey RK, how do I calm this dog down? 00:08:05.648 --> 00:08:07.188 Hey RK, how do I communicate with this dog? 00:08:07.228 --> 00:08:08.848 Hey RK, there's a dog that needs rescuing. 00:08:08.848 --> 00:08:09.358 Can you help? 00:08:09.838 --> 00:08:10.218 And. 00:08:10.698 --> 00:08:15.118 Through something or the other, I found myself leading teams because I am someone 00:08:15.118 --> 00:08:16.868 who's always very good at leading people. 00:08:17.268 --> 00:08:20.528 And so when someone is doing something wrong, I could see it at their second 00:08:20.528 --> 00:08:21.778 guessing what they're supposed to do. 00:08:22.138 --> 00:08:24.758 I was there able to communicate what they need to be doing. 00:08:24.768 --> 00:08:29.748 And just some or the other way, I found myself leading teams at organizations. 00:08:29.788 --> 00:08:31.118 There's a fly here for some reason. 00:08:32.448 --> 00:08:35.758 They have left the garden open and so everything comes in. 00:08:36.158 --> 00:08:37.938 I'm just like, what is that fly doing over here? 00:08:38.278 --> 00:08:39.078 But yeah, and. 00:08:39.633 --> 00:08:42.843 Then I realized that this organization is hiring people just for the sake of it. 00:08:42.913 --> 00:08:44.853 They have funding, but they're cutting costs. 00:08:44.913 --> 00:08:46.093 They're not taking care of dogs. 00:08:46.143 --> 00:08:47.533 They're still getting infections. 00:08:47.813 --> 00:08:51.123 And some of them are ending up worse than how they were when we found them. 00:08:51.843 --> 00:08:57.573 So I started donating my own money and I realized that that does jack shit 00:08:57.603 --> 00:09:00.943 because, and I'm sorry if I, if you're not allowed to cuss or something, but 00:09:01.253 --> 00:09:05.853 yeah, I started donating my own money. 00:09:05.923 --> 00:09:08.033 And even that did nothing because. 00:09:08.418 --> 00:09:12.118 Well, unless you're in charge, especially in situations, and if you're 00:09:12.128 --> 00:09:15.798 with the right people who are truly dedicated, people are going to slack 00:09:15.798 --> 00:09:18.238 off, they're going to cut corners, and it's going to be challenging. 00:09:18.708 --> 00:09:24.368 So, through various situations, various challenges that we did overcome, I decided 00:09:24.398 --> 00:09:25.708 to just, you know, do it all by myself. 00:09:26.103 --> 00:09:29.353 And I didn't have people and I will be having a lot of people because it's 00:09:29.383 --> 00:09:30.693 not something you can do all alone. 00:09:31.113 --> 00:09:34.983 But to get the main stuff done, I would rather have it be all on my own 00:09:35.003 --> 00:09:36.913 property and everything belonging to me. 00:09:37.183 --> 00:09:40.173 That way I have the most control and these dogs don't have to be 00:09:40.383 --> 00:09:42.123 affected by someone's misjudgment. 00:09:42.333 --> 00:09:42.893 So yeah. 00:09:42.893 --> 00:09:43.753 Yeah, I love 00:09:43.763 --> 00:09:44.013 Anke: that. 00:09:44.093 --> 00:09:44.343 Love it. 00:09:45.003 --> 00:09:45.753 Um, so. 00:09:46.528 --> 00:09:49.568 Is there, is there something that you wish people knew? 00:09:49.718 --> 00:09:54.398 You know, when you come across with, you know, when people treat dogs, abandon 00:09:54.398 --> 00:09:59.088 dogs, or like, I don't, you know, over here it's a lot about people misjudging 00:09:59.118 --> 00:10:01.918 what it means to have a dog, so they get a dog and it's like, oh my god, or 00:10:01.918 --> 00:10:07.038 it's a toy for the kids or, you know, or they kind of want it as this companion 00:10:07.038 --> 00:10:10.948 and then when it doesn't do out of the box what they thought it should 00:10:10.958 --> 00:10:15.163 be doing or that it gets too big or whatever, then it just gets Somewhere. 00:10:15.168 --> 00:10:15.433 Right. 00:10:15.883 --> 00:10:19.813 So what's in, in your, in your experience, what's, what's one 00:10:19.813 --> 00:10:22.223 thing you, you love people near? 00:10:23.093 --> 00:10:26.243 Arcui: I wish they saw them as their children first. 00:10:26.983 --> 00:10:32.923 The thing is, we are, a lot of people are just set with so many unnecessary 00:10:32.923 --> 00:10:36.153 boundaries on who they should be loving. 00:10:36.153 --> 00:10:37.953 Who what is something worth loving? 00:10:37.953 --> 00:10:38.043 Mm-hmm. 00:10:39.678 --> 00:10:40.488 They want love. 00:10:40.508 --> 00:10:42.958 People want to feel belong, um, belongingness. 00:10:42.958 --> 00:10:45.238 They want to belong to something or the other, but they're 00:10:45.238 --> 00:10:46.268 not willing to share that. 00:10:46.728 --> 00:10:50.958 And it's these people that end up causing most of these challenges where they 00:10:50.998 --> 00:10:54.068 maybe get a husky and then they realize that, Oh, I can't take care of this 00:10:54.068 --> 00:10:55.748 husky because it's too much maintenance. 00:10:55.748 --> 00:10:57.438 And then they just abandon them. 00:10:57.788 --> 00:10:59.378 And this is something I've seen a lot. 00:10:59.588 --> 00:11:03.018 And they see dogs doing things that are unnatural to them. 00:11:03.343 --> 00:11:05.053 Like maybe they're licking themselves too much. 00:11:05.053 --> 00:11:07.613 They're humping things or they're sometimes eating stuff 00:11:07.613 --> 00:11:10.463 they're not supposed to, and that might be a headache to you. 00:11:10.493 --> 00:11:11.703 So you decide to abandon them. 00:11:12.113 --> 00:11:15.463 The thing is, would you want that to happen to your own kid? 00:11:15.823 --> 00:11:17.093 Or would you want that to happen to you? 00:11:17.093 --> 00:11:20.483 If you were a kid, wouldn't you want to be accepted even if you're weird, 00:11:20.483 --> 00:11:25.093 if you grew fat or if you started doing stupid stuff, you wouldn't 00:11:25.093 --> 00:11:26.693 want your parents to abandon you. 00:11:26.923 --> 00:11:29.953 You wouldn't want to, your parents to say that, Oh, well, he will 00:11:29.953 --> 00:11:31.003 survive some way or the other. 00:11:31.003 --> 00:11:32.473 I don't need to care about this thing. 00:11:32.763 --> 00:11:33.173 So. 00:11:33.688 --> 00:11:37.678 It's just that you need to be open to love something beyond 00:11:37.688 --> 00:11:40.198 your basic requirements because that's what it does to have babies. 00:11:40.888 --> 00:11:44.638 When you have a baby, it's going to be just that they are not going to be able to 00:11:44.638 --> 00:11:46.578 communicate with you for a very long time. 00:11:46.888 --> 00:11:49.078 There's going to be a lot of trading and everything else needed. 00:11:49.428 --> 00:11:52.828 And but the thing is with dogs, it's a different thing. 00:11:52.838 --> 00:11:55.938 You're speaking in a whole other language and it's more about intent. 00:11:56.378 --> 00:12:01.488 A lot of times I talk about this a lot that when it comes to people, they get 00:12:01.488 --> 00:12:03.218 scared of dogs because of their actions. 00:12:03.248 --> 00:12:04.008 But here's the thing. 00:12:04.878 --> 00:12:08.908 If you're frustrated, like I've done this with my dogs, like, uh, they actually 00:12:08.908 --> 00:12:11.998 helped me control a lot of my anger when I used to come back from Turkish chemistry 00:12:12.138 --> 00:12:16.068 because I'd be frustrated but I don't have tendencies of taking it out on people. 00:12:16.338 --> 00:12:19.948 So I'd be in my room and I'd like try to break something or just, you know, be 00:12:19.948 --> 00:12:22.188 like this and my dogs would get scared. 00:12:22.458 --> 00:12:23.968 And they knew that I'm not going to hit them. 00:12:24.028 --> 00:12:26.868 They knew that very well, but they could sense the intent in 00:12:26.878 --> 00:12:28.528 me of the anger and frustration. 00:12:29.228 --> 00:12:31.808 And there have been times where I just go to my dogs and annoy them. 00:12:31.858 --> 00:12:33.568 Like I make this scary monster face. 00:12:33.568 --> 00:12:37.408 I'm like I would hurt them, but they are like fighting with me. 00:12:37.408 --> 00:12:38.168 They're playing with me. 00:12:38.168 --> 00:12:39.278 And they know that that is love. 00:12:39.698 --> 00:12:40.948 So dogs work on intent. 00:12:41.108 --> 00:12:44.198 If they can sense that you're here to love them, even if you 00:12:44.198 --> 00:12:46.088 look like a serial killer, they're just going to play with you. 00:12:46.648 --> 00:12:50.838 But If they can sense your intents are wrong, but no matter how 00:12:51.178 --> 00:12:53.538 much you smile and everything, they'll be able to sense that. 00:12:53.858 --> 00:12:54.728 My dogs can sense that. 00:12:54.728 --> 00:12:57.598 Like even right now, when I was doing this, they're just like looking 00:12:57.598 --> 00:12:59.108 at me like, what's wrong with dad? 00:12:59.278 --> 00:13:00.748 Why does he always do this and everything? 00:13:01.768 --> 00:13:05.828 And sometimes I've been so frustrated that I've been in meetings and I just do this 00:13:06.068 --> 00:13:07.518 and my dog just walks out of the room. 00:13:07.548 --> 00:13:09.748 She knows that, you know, he is not in a good mood and everything. 00:13:10.028 --> 00:13:12.208 So they can sense intent. 00:13:12.523 --> 00:13:16.693 So it's not that, you know, what they're doing, it's about how you're with them 00:13:16.693 --> 00:13:17.843 and what your true intentions are. 00:13:18.698 --> 00:13:18.838 I 00:13:18.838 --> 00:13:19.698 Anke: love that, love that. 00:13:20.298 --> 00:13:24.748 So, where, what's the best place for people to, to find you, get 00:13:24.758 --> 00:13:29.418 in touch with you, work wise or around dogs or any, anything, 00:13:29.418 --> 00:13:31.268 and we'll pop the link, you know. 00:13:31.808 --> 00:13:34.528 Arcui: So the best way to get in touch with me is via my LinkedIn, 00:13:34.528 --> 00:13:36.708 because it's only social media I'm most active on nowadays. 00:13:37.388 --> 00:13:40.748 And even if you just look up RKOSR, I'm literally the only one in the world. 00:13:40.798 --> 00:13:43.788 So any social media link that comes up, you can connect with me there. 00:13:44.238 --> 00:13:48.808 Uh, for my agency work, you can again, get in touch via LinkedIn and soon 00:13:48.868 --> 00:13:52.058 there will be a lot more content coming around the organization I'm 00:13:52.058 --> 00:13:55.488 building and how I'll be shifting away from running an agency to completely 00:13:55.488 --> 00:13:56.348 running an animal welfare organization. 00:13:56.368 --> 00:14:00.798 So if you're on LinkedIn and if you're in touch with me, you'll be able to see 00:14:00.798 --> 00:14:04.048 all the transitions take place as they happen throughout the next five years. 00:14:04.448 --> 00:14:05.068 And yeah. 00:14:05.338 --> 00:14:05.958 Anke: Love it, love it. 00:14:05.958 --> 00:14:09.998 And I shall have you back for sure when, you know, when you're launching. 00:14:10.248 --> 00:14:15.078 So we're going to give you a bigger and a nicer stage to kind of really share it 00:14:15.108 --> 00:14:16.258 with people because that's just wonderful. 00:14:16.268 --> 00:14:17.308 I really appreciate that. 00:14:17.348 --> 00:14:19.798 Thank you so much for coming and I look 00:14:19.798 --> 00:14:20.878 Arcui: forward to having you back. 00:14:21.498 --> 00:14:24.588 Thank you for having me and it was a wonderful experience and I hope I was of 00:14:24.618 --> 00:14:26.448 value to your show and to your community. 00:14:26.928 --> 00:14:27.668 Absolutely. 00:14:28.706 --> 00:14:29.936 Thanks so much for listening. 00:14:30.456 --> 00:14:34.756 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:14:34.856 --> 00:14:36.636 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:14:37.426 --> 00:14:40.916 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:14:41.346 --> 00:14:46.916 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:14:47.016 --> 00:14:49.386 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:14:49.386 --> 00:14:53.116 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:14:53.536 --> 00:14:54.676 I'd love an introduction. 00:14:55.156 --> 00:14:56.986 Email me at Anke. 00:14:57.256 --> 00:15:01.491 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.