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Unknown: Want to get cowboy
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in cowboy boots? Ever? I've
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don't, yeah.

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In fact, there's a band I play
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pokes, and we have kind of a
dress code where everyone has

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the same boots that me, yeah,
and they bought me a pair, but I

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don't want to get used to
playing in high heels. And now

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I've tried the shoes on, and
they hurt my feet, yeah, so I

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just don't wear them. And

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yeah, looks like they're playing
in high tops. You got to have

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some dexterity in the ankle,
right? Yeah, yeah.

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I've known a couple of guys that
played barefoot, yeah? And I've

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tried that and that, Oh, that's
weird. That's hard, even

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with socks, I can't do it, yeah?
You got to have some sort of

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traction, some

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sort of a Chuck. Chuck Taylor
has been my modus operandi. The

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best shoes

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I've ever played, and I never
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shoes.

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Oh, I could see that. Yeah, they
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wrestling too, yeah, pinning
guys whispering in their ear

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from

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behind. This

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is the rich Redmond show.

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What's up, folks? Yep, it is
that time. It's time for another

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exciting episode of the rich
Redmond show. We talk about all

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things like music, motivation,
success, and today, yet another

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brave, daring drummer has made
the trip to Spring Hill,

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Tennessee, my new home for the
last five months. Jim McCarthy,

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dude, I love it. It really

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is. Have you been to the New
Mexican restaurant?

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El something Elle, something el
mocha hectare. It's

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in the old car dealership. I
haven't tried it yet. What do

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you think we had lunch there
today? Courtney and I was it

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good? Does it kind of just
tastes like Mexican food?

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Well, that's good because we do
have a lot of Mexican

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restaurants in time

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and mattress stores, yeah. And

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what are the other things? I
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like that, all the stuff, the
Publix, my bank, the Walgreens,

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the cigar shop, everything is
less than a half a mile

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that cigar shop is. Is just
world class, world class. I was

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there last night. Yeah, don't
mind me. I'm actually fixing the

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background while we're Oh yeah,
don't, don't

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worry about that. So, so Jim,
what is, what has been happening

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with you since we talked an hour
ago. Oh, do you want to get

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deep? Okay,

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sure. Yeah,

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you know this. You know, need to
make money and all that fun

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stuff. Oh, yeah, it

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is a sad part of life that is,
you know, money isn't

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everything, but we do need it,
and it does make things a little

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basic needs, yeah, yeah. It's
always being in that situation

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of trying to cover your basic
needs.

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It's fun, but you're a hard
worker. I don't know anyone that

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works. I don't know how you
multitask and juggle the things

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that you do. Insanity. Yeah, we
get a good hey, we're gonna have

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another great conversation
today. A maniacal edge. Hey,

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this gentleman is a staple of
the Nashville community. I mean,

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if you if there's a drum set,
he's going to be playing it. I

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see him all the time the last 28
years, playing down on lower

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Broadway. He plays with a
variety. He's a world class

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musician hailing from
Phillipsburg, Pennsylvania. He's

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a graduate of the Berklee
College of Music. He's called

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Nashville home since 1988
currently playing drums for

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Emmy, Lou Harris, Don McClean,
but he's also worked for let me

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put on my readers. These are
just a few of the names. Raul

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malo from the Mavericks, Rodney
Crowell, Steve Cropper, Hank

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Williams, the third bombshell.
How Ketchum, Shannon, Lawson,

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Rosie Flores, buddy, Jewel
Mandy, Barnett, Chuck Meade. I

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mean, this list goes on and on
and on. We're talking about our

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friend John McTighe the third
What's up, Buddy Rich, how are

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you? Dude? I am so happy to have
you sitting here, because all

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the years of knowing you,
knowing of you, knowing of your

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work, seeing you play, we have
never been able to have a

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conversation longer than sound
great, man, I'll see you just

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waving.

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Yeah, no red door. Time.
Nothing. Yeah, I spent

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way too much time mixing
business pleasure at a little

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watering hole called the red
door. And I don't know if you

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have a watering hole, but I
would never run into John there.

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I used to run into Henry go all
the time there, who

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is a big week at KHS music now,
yeah, running sonar, really,

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yeah, picked, I guess, yeah,
yeah, very cool. I love

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him so. And you were, in
addition to all this, you were a

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founding member of Brazil,
Billy, that's right now is, is

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that band still happening or?
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still happening. Okay, still
happening? Yeah, it's, it's

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completely different than it
used to be musically. Before it

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was probably 85% Latin or Cuban
grooves, yes, with traditional

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country music, and now there's
almost none of that.

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So it was a mix of almost like
Latin rockabilly,

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yes, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Hence
Brazil. Bill, yeah, that's

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great, man, yeah, it's fun. Very
cool. Yeah,

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you know what? And a lot of the
playing that you do downtown, I

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don't know, you might work some
of the other rooms, but I always

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see you at Roberts. And Roberts
is the one place when I go down

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there that is, like, top of the
list. It's my favorite place.

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And when tourists come to town.
And let's face it, they're all

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coming, and they're like, where
should I go? I was like,

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Roberts. You can get the crinkle
fries and the fried baloney. You

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can get a Coors and a can, and
the band kicks ass, and they're

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wearing their Pearl snap shirts.
And it's music from the 1950s

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It's traditional. You're gonna
love it.

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Yes, the quintessential
traditional country music, Honky

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Tonk, yeah, number one in the
world. Got a baby? Yes, right.

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Never gone there. You haven't 20
years living here. I've never

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there. Jim, we're gonna do a
guys night, and we're just gonna

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go to Roberts, yeah, just on any
weekday. I mean, there's always

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a killer band come

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down on Wednesday, late shift,
10 to two, okay, yeah, I'll be

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there. That's your

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shift. These days, that's my

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shift. Yeah, these days, with
the cow pokes, traditional

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country music band, we started a
thing on Tuesday nights that

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we've moved up to the east side
bowl in East Nashville, yeah,

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and that's worked out really
well, but we've been doing

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Wednesday nights at Roberts for
six or seven years now. Oh, wow,

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it's fun. Yeah, I think you dig
it. Yeah, yeah, it's,

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I can't believe you know, it's
because you, you kind of have a

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an avoidance these days for

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downtown, lower, broad, it can
be a hassle parking and

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tourists, tourists, and, you
know, it thinks you can get kind

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of crazy.

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Woo girls, yes,

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the cabs, but the

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tips have gotten better. You

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can make a living now you could.
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yeah. So, I mean, years ago,
well, you know, I don't know if

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I would ever want to play this
much. I mean, I love my

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instrument, but you would
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burnout. But you know, if you
work that scene down there and

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you get the right rooms on the
right days, their guys are

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making six figures playing down
there, that's true. I mean,

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that's crazy. That is, yeah,
that's a lot of schlepping.

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That's a lot of Yeah. Bon Jovi,
what does that mean? You know,

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it's like Roberts is one of the
few rooms where you're gonna and

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maybe laylas, maybe legends,
where you're gonna hear the

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traditional stuff, 5060s, 70s,
country, right? And everything

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else is going to be a bunch of
guys with in ear monitors and

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iPads and rolling kits, and
they're playing very current

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stuff, and a lot of just rock
and roll, yeah, like Bon Jovi

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place. It's got that multi, he's
got the big stage, and it's,

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like, the, you know, the sneeze
guard, and a big double bass

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Kent, and just everyone's got in
ears. And just, they're just

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rocking,

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yeah, yeah. They're playing,
like, all the Bon Jovi hits and

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stuff like that, yeah, just

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top down journey rock, classic
rock stuff. And we went

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down there on a Monday
afternoon. Yeah, it was Monday

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or Tuesday, and my brother had
come to town, yeah, and my

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brother's a musician from he's
in Detroit. He's been there for

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last 2530 years, but he's been
playing keys since He's seven

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years old, no, even earlier than
that. But he, he basically, it

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was like a dog hanging out the
window enjoying the air. How

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bad? On a Monday, Tuesday
afternoon. And I said, dude, and

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this is the afternoon shift.
Yeah, you know, there is

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no place on Earth, right, like
there. I think there's 60 clubs

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or something down there. It's,
it's a lot. Yeah,

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there's nowhere like Nashville
to be able to do it is unique.

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What people do to make money
downtown, yeah, it's one of

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those things like you could have
Vegas. Vegas is known for, you

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know, I'm the gambling is not
even the the number one draw

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anymore. It's all the
entertainment. It's a city of

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entertainment, yeah, but
Nashville definitely has a

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niche. I mean, it's a unique
experience, for sure. For sure.

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Yeah, and Robert's Western
world, I would say definitely my

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favorite, totally, for if you
want to get you know where the

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locals go,

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Yeah, John England and the
Western Swingers, that's one of

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the best western swing bands on
the planet, yeah, for sure. You

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know, yeah. And what was the
scene like in 1988

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Well, I played down the first
time in 93 Yeah. And it was with

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Gary Bennett from br 549 right
before br 549 and I'll put it

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this way, I I went down there, I
said yes to a weekend's worth of

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gigs, and I never went back till
95 because it was like the worst

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place you would ever want to be.
It was all pawn shops, sex

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shops. Uh, prostitutes, drug
addicts. You're kidding, like

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Times Square in the 70s, yeah?
And like there were no lights.

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There were no arc lights. They
were either shot out or they

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just didn't work. And you could
park right in front of the club,

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wherever you were playing, yeah?
And there was a across the

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street where rippies is. There
was a club called the turf, and

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that was the worst place that
was, like, the kind of place

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where people actually got
murdered in the club.

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I'm sorry, but I mean, but yeah,
before the tornado of exactly

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what was 2010

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No, that was the flood

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the, it was the tornado of 98

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took out a lot of that stuff on
the wolfies Rippy side. Remember

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wolfies? Wolfies was killer, but
there was, and there was, like a

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little club next to to wolfies,
Music City, the Music City

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lounge in

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between that and the turf. Yeah,
I have a brick from the turf.

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Was it thrown at you? No, it was
after the tornado hit the

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building. Oh, wow, yeah.

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Remember hearing about that
tornado. I used to play at

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wolfies with, uh, buddy Spiker,
yeah, you had to play. So, so,

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yeah, he liked it that way for
sure. So soft it was, it was a

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good challenge.

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I remember seeing Dirks Bentley
play there,

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yeah, man, yeah. And it's so
funny that that side of the

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street never seemed to have the
cache or the success as the side

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with tootsies. You're

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exactly right and all that.
Yeah, I don't know why strange

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deal with that. I have no idea,
but that is so true.

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And kid rocks was a place called
Shauna Ki, yeah, and somebody

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got shot in the face outside
that club.

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Wow. I did not know that. Yeah.
I remember that club. I played

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there a couple times with a
blues band. And then after that,

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it became like cowboy. It was
like a cowboy dress in drag.

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Wow, kind of theater, yeah, that
didn't go over very well. Oh,

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wow. That ended quickly, yeah,
can't imagine why, yeah. And

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then it is what it is now, yeah,
man and all

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the shootings have moved up to
Opry mills.

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No, that was not what I wanted.

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There we go. Nice, Jim, thank
you. Completely

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ruined it. Should I do a take
two? No, well,

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you know, and there's also,
there was, you know, Virginia's

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market there, across from the
old Omni in Midtown, murder

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Mart, the murder mark, yes. And

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so there's a theme going on in
this episode. People were

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shot in front of that place.
Yeah, how about

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the Kroger east side, the murder
Kroger. The murder Kroger.

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There's T shirts you can still
find that have that now,

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which now? What street is that?
On Gallatin road. It's

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on Gallatin road, and it's the
first Kroger you would pass on

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the way out of town towards
Madison. Yes, that was

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considered the murder Kroger,
because somebody was murdered in

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the parking lot. Oh

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my gosh, this is dark. It's
really dark, right? But now,

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so Nashville is a little bit
more new and shiny now. I mean,

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it really is. Yeah, it's
beautiful. They kind

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of wonder, if you compared the
numbers from then and now, are

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they still the same? Murder

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wise. Murder wise. You know, I
don't know. No, we're not

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Memphis, and that's not,

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we're not Memphis. That's good.
Robbery Mills, yeah,

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let's pepper things with kids,
yeah. So, so you, you're the

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rare, one of the rare guys that
graduates from Berkeley. But

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when do you start playing music?
Do you have a musical family,

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because you are the third in a
lineage,

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which means rich, yeah, I come
from money. Jim, that's right. I

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want

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you to know that John McTighe,
the

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third, not much money, but it's
money.

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Good Irishman, right? Yeah, yes,
100%

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English and Irish. My mom was
full blood English, yeah, yeah.

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Dad, Irish, yeah. His father, I
never met, but apparently he was

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a cement Mason and also a boxer.
Wow, tough guy, yeah, and he was

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a smaller guy, and my dad was my
size larger, and my dad was a

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cement Mason most of his life,

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wow, yeah, most drummers are
hugging the earth. What is it

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like up there? I mean, you get
to see if people are losing

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their hair. There's all sorts of
things.

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You know, concerts, better
positions, you can see, you

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know, more people better air,
yeah, yeah. And, of course, how

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tall are you? More expensive
clothes, though, you guys, I'm

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six, four

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more fabric, more fabric. Yeah,
and you like the dress, what I

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do? Like? I like the fact that
you put lots of thought into

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what you wear. It's very nice.

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Oh, well, thank you. Yeah,

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you never tell me that part of
it. Well, you're on a car heart

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kick now, which is great, man.

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You're so full of it. No. I
think Rich is like, whenever I

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get, you know, he'll if he if he
doesn't like what I'm wearing,

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he goes, it's a new shirt.

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Their hoodies are big and
athleisure. They're very just,

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you know, you just sink into
them when you're watching TV.

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It's nice. I'm more

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of the Steve Jobs. Okay, just
simple. I don't want to think

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about it. Just put it on and go,

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Yeah, but no, you actually look
very well constructed. You got

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the dark denim with the black
boots and, yeah, man,

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the very stylish shoes. Yeah,
yeah. I want to get cowboy

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boots, like work

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boots. You play in cowboy boots.
Ever? I've never played in

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cowboy boots.

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I don't Yeah. In fact, there's a
band I play with regular

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regularly, the cow pokes, and we
have kind of a dress code where

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everyone has the same boots, but
me, yeah. And they bought me a

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pair, but I don't want to get
used to playing in high heels.

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And now I've tried the shoes on,
and they hurt my feet, yeah? So

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I just don't wear them. And
yeah,

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looks like they're playing in
high tops. You got to have some

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dexterity in the ankle, right?
Yeah, yeah.

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I've known a couple of guys that
play barefoot, yeah? And I've

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tried that and that. That's
weird, that's hard, even

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with socks, I can't do it, yeah,
you got to have some sort of

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traction some summer

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of a Chuck. Chuck Taylor has
been my modus operandi, the

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best shoes I've ever played, and
I never went back to him,

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wrestling shoes. Oh, I could see
that. Yeah, they were amazing.

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Well, I could see you

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wrestling too. Yeah, pinning
guys whispering in their ear

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from from behind. They were,

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you know who Neil Pierre used to
play in was dancing shoes. Okay?

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He would tuck his pants, I guess
he would. He would wrap them or

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bungee them to his ankles so
they wouldn't get caught out of

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the pedals. Yeah, and, but he
says, because you know, you're

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pretty much dancing and you wore
dancing shoes,

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wow. And Steve Gadd was a great
tap dancer. I heard that. I

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heard he, he

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studied tap Yeah. And Troy,

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look at it. Is a good roofer.

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What now, I know he is, no, I
made that came up

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really, yeah, he does roofing.
Doesn't he live in Murfreesboro?

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Um, he used to or something.
Yeah, Troy's always moving

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around. Where is he living now?
Um,

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I love those odd stories,
though. Yeah, come in these, you

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know, that came out of that,
that that episode with him, and

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I was like, What dude, you guys
should get up on roofs and

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everything is,

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like, that's hard work. It

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is hard work. I think he's got
crews of people now. He's just

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bossing around. Hey, I want this
done by five. Oh, yeah,

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slacker, what is like, you know?
And that kind of brings up that

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kind of a notion, even though
you spent a majority of life

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playing, what was something else
that you might have done, that

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you were like, Okay, this could
be something, if the drumming

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didn't work out,

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that I would have been
interested in, yeah,

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you know, I've had some day jobs
years ago, and one of them was

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making vinyl tilt in windows.
Oh, wow. I found that

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interesting, huh?

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Yeah, manufacturing them, yes,

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yeah. Well, the thing, and the
funny thing is, is that you're

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known as a, you know, roots
country, Americana drummer, you

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know, mostly, um, but you
studied 20th century

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composition, yeah, which is so
interesting, you know, because I

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I love that too. I mean, I have,
I'm an over educated rock

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drummer. I have my masters and
in percussion and music

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education. But, you know, I
mean, I love various and I love

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Stravinsky, and I love, you
know, forward thinking, you

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know, avant garde music, yeah,
you would never be able to tell

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from, you know, the gigs that we
get called that we like this

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stuff. That's true, but it's in
there. It's baked into the cake.

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It's part of the the root, yeah,
you know, you're right, yeah,

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absolutely. What did you have to
do to get that degree? Did you

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have to create compositions?
Yes,

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yes. We had to do fugues,
motets, Choral arrangements,

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string quartets, yeah, a
symphony. Piece, a piece for a

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symphony, writing,

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we're scoring for a symphony.
Wow, yeah, big job. Did you get

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to hear it performed?

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Not that piece. Some of the
other ones I have, yeah,

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yeah, well, there's still
there's still time. I mean, that

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would be really cool,

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yeah, if I could find a symphony
to hire. Yeah, yeah,

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it's Prague. Prague.

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They're cheaper. You know what?
When I first came to Nashville,

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I had a friend that knew some
people at the Nashville

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Symphony, and they were doing
local composers pieces, and he

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approached me about having my
piece played. And I was like,

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totally into it, and I started
writing out parts, and it took

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me about a month to finish all
the parts, and in the meantime,

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the symphony went bankrupt. I.
Completely, Oh, wow. This is

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before the skirm a horn, that
whole deal. And so when I

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approached him again, he was
like, man, we're not doing that

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anymore. We're sticking to
Beethoven Mozart, you know, we

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got to make money

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give the people what they want.
Yeah, that was a

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little discouraging at the time,
yeah, yeah,

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yeah, man, but that's so do you
remember all of the, you know,

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the ins and outs of the, you
know, the ranges of the

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instruments, the clarinets and
all. It gets rusty if you don't

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use it, it

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does. It really does. Yeah,
yeah. Nobody likes a rusty

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clarinet,

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the rusty trombone, rusty
trombone. Yes, it's a big

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one in San Francisco. Anyways,
give me a Get up.

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Damn Jim label, those things
that a good one. Damn

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we have one of Johnny at one
time going Shazam my drum tech

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from the last 14 years,

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I have that on another machine.
Yeah, I might have, I

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have that road caster in a box
at my place, you know. But since

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I come and you push all the
buttons, that's great. Do I sell

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it?

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So what was the first job you
got when you moved to town?

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First music job, first drumming
job.

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Let me see,

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it was probably with Gary
Bennett, yeah, before. Br, five

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Yeah, and it was on Broadway.
Now

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explain to the listeners, so
somebody's lit in Des Moines,

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Iowa, and they don't know the
legacy of br, 549

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okay? Br, 549 was a band that
started playing at Roberts

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Western world, and this would
have been early 90s, yeah, and

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young guys playing traditional
country music and dressing like

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the traditional country music
stars dressed back in the day,

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and they were doing this
downtown Broadway in Nashville,

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which was the one place you
would never want to ever be at

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that time, it was very
dangerous. And I think that's

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what made it kind of exciting,
yeah, because because of the

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music and the way they looked,
people of all ages, sizes, uh,

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rich, poor would go down to this
weird little club to hear this

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crazy little band do this music
that you you couldn't find

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anymore. Yeah, they created a
scene. They did, and they those

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guys, as well as Greg Gehring,
uh, changed the face of

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downtown. That was the, yeah,
the nucleus. That was what

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started it,

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yeah. Man, yeah, yeah. It's kind
of like, you know, our, our

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engineer that has done all the
Aldean records, Pete Coleman. I

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don't have you ever worked with
Pete Coleman over at treasure

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Isle, but he was, you know, he
was the guy. He actually

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recorded my Corona for the
knack. And, you know, at the

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time, you know, the knack was
playing around. La, this was

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probably 8081, um, six nights a
week, they were so sharp, and

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they were so tight, and all the
celebrities and the hipsters and

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Hollywood would go see them, and
it was a scene, man. And that's

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what I kind of park into that,
yeah, yeah,

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it was fun. It's a really cool
thing. Yeah, it's exciting, one

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of a kind. It doesn't happen
every

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day. No, it's a hard thing, and
you can't force something like

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that.

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No, it just happens. Yeah, yeah.
You can't really create it. You

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just do your thing. And this
evolved out of that, yeah, yeah.

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Now you're

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currently doing dates with Don
McClean, bye, bye, Miss American

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Pie. That's correct, wow. Long
song, like seven or eight

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verses, eight

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minutes and 21 seconds. That was
our bathroom song in radio. I

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used to play in a band called
uh, you know, I used to play in

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a band called uh, Frito pie, and
we would in then that became

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Eskimo pie was in college, and
we would pass out freeze dried

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Eskimo pies to all the drunks at
the clubs. And we would do,

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like, songs by a lot of one hit
wonders. But, I mean, this was

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kind of, this was, I'm sure
Don's got some other things, but

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he is so known for that,

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yeah, iconic, icon standard.
Yeah, that's

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so when I got in the radio, when
I was a jock, back in the day,

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we were transitioning from
actually pulling CDs and

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stacking your hour to everything
going automated. So at that

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point, you know, you could, we
had 40 minute long sets of I 95

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rock. You had entire time just
to goof off. You didn't have to

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really fire anything off. But
typically that song, or knights

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and white satin, okay, was was
the song? Wow, yep, by the Moody

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Blues. So

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he's got to

442
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,300
be a good number two,

443
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:56,200
fun guy to work for, or very
interesting. So Jerry Kroon was

444
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,380
playing with him. Yeah. And now,
for those folks that don't know,

445
00:24:59,860 --> 00:25:05,340
I. Uh, in 1998 I took a studio
Nashville studio drumming

446
00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:10,440
workshop with Tommy wells God
rest his soul and Jerry croon.

447
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,140
And it was, like a month long
course. I mean, we go, like

448
00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:16,500
twice a week, and we'd talk
about tuning and playing house

449
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:19,200
kits and the Nashville Number
System and scribbling out your

450
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,120
own charts. And just it was
really fun. Wow, yeah, yeah. So

451
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,880
I got to know Jerry croon a
little bit, and I haven't seen

452
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,380
him much really since, yeah, you
know, yeah. So how'd you get the

453
00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:33,080
call? Who's in the band? All
that fun stuff.

454
00:25:33,140 --> 00:25:37,340
Tony migliorne was the band
leader, yeah, and I had played

455
00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:44,080
with Tony through Mandy Barnett,
yeah, and Brad Albin was the

456
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,000
bass player. And I played with
Brad regularly, and had been

457
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,640
playing with him for 21 years.
And Brad would always say to me,

458
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,480
like many times, he's like, man,
if Jerry ever needs a sub, he

459
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,800
would be perfect. And I've, you
know, of course, I was like, Oh

460
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,700
man, let me know that'd be
great. And then Jerry needed a

461
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:10,740
sub and but at the time, Brad
was not playing anymore with

462
00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:15,600
Dawn, so Tony approached me and
said, Brad, always said, you'd

463
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,720
be great for this. You know,
I've worked with you, with

464
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,140
Mandy, and I went to one of
their shows at the Ryman because

465
00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:27,500
I had never met Jerry, and I
watched the show. And when they

466
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:31,340
were finished, I went up to
Jerry. I said, Hey, I introduced

467
00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:34,640
myself. He's like, Oh yeah,
you're Brad's friend. He's like,

468
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,420
look, I've got some stuff coming
up. I need a sub. And Brad said,

469
00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:40,960
you'd be perfect. Would you be
interested? And I said, Sure,

470
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,180
yeah. So that's kind of how it
started. That's

471
00:26:43,180 --> 00:26:46,120
awesome, yeah? And something
tells me, You guys play those

472
00:26:46,540 --> 00:26:52,300
delightful, you know, on the
square of a downtown theater

473
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:55,840
seats 1500 people, kind of a
thing, yeah, yeah, a lot of

474
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,140
those. I love that kind of
touring, because the bus pulls

475
00:26:59,140 --> 00:27:01,980
up right to the theater. You're
on this beautiful little

476
00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:05,100
downtown square, and you you
could support the local economy.

477
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:07,980
There's the indie record shop,
there's the mom and pop coffee

478
00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:10,620
shop. I can go over here and get
a martini, and it's all right

479
00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:12,180
there. It's all walking
distance.

480
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,380
Yeah? You get to see these cool
little towns and have more of an

481
00:27:16,380 --> 00:27:19,080
experience. Yeah, you know to
take with you, because

482
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,940
the sheds that we do, you know,
with Aldean, are always 30 to 40

483
00:27:22,940 --> 00:27:26,960
minutes outside the city limits,
and you know, to do anything,

484
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,080
you know, you got to get a
runner. And it's the whole

485
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,660
thing, you know, not
complaining, but that seems like

486
00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:36,260
it would be a delightful kind of
touring. Yeah, it's fun. Very,

487
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,260
very cool. And so you have more
dates coming up with him. Yes,

488
00:27:39,260 --> 00:27:42,340
we do. And one thing I really
like about your playing, because

489
00:27:42,340 --> 00:27:44,860
I, you know, when I try to
research all my guests and kind

490
00:27:44,860 --> 00:27:47,680
of consume stuff they've played
on, I look, looked you up on

491
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,240
YouTube, and so there's videos
of you out there. Um, you play

492
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,360
very controlled, like you let
the mics do the work, and

493
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,600
everything's just really you got
spot when you play your crashes.

494
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,060
It's like this little whipping
motions This is great. You know,

495
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:05,820
that's fun. It just makes me,
like, want to play like that

496
00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:10,740
sometimes, and say, Wow, up
here, like, must destroy drum.

497
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,100
It's just, yeah, you just got
tons of dynamic control and a

498
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:15,180
great feel. And

499
00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:18,780
thanks. You're very kind, man. I
appreciate that. Oh, yeah, very,

500
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:19,260
very,

501
00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:24,320
very enjoyable. And, well, let's
look at this list here. And if,

502
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,140
as I'm naming some of these
people that I named before, you

503
00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:29,960
know, the Rodney crows, the
Steve Cropper, Hank Williams,

504
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:35,660
the third I did that job in 1999
Okay, yeah, and it was what I do

505
00:28:35,660 --> 00:28:41,860
remember about. This is a this
is bosephus son. That's correct,

506
00:28:41,860 --> 00:28:46,180
yeah. So you know both Cephas.
Where did that come from? Monday

507
00:28:46,180 --> 00:28:48,460
Night Football. How did he get
that name? I do not know,

508
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,080
because they actually,

509
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,760
I think when Sammy joined Van
Halen and it was on the live

510
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,540
without a net VHS, their first
live video. He calls him Alex

511
00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:07,920
bosephus mode, heylon, huh, did
you not? Did you ever catch

512
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,320
that? I didn't catch that, man,
yeah, if we ever get Sammy on

513
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:10,560
the show,

514
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,740
I'll have to ask him that dude,
Sammy, yeah, he seems like a

515
00:29:13,740 --> 00:29:17,280
very approachable guy, 58 years
old, killing it crazy. Wow, I

516
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,620
know. Well, he goes. I mean, he
was in Montrose. Yeah, that was

517
00:29:21,620 --> 00:29:26,480
Sammy man, going way back. What
a voice? Yeah, he's like a Paul

518
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,180
Rogers, where it's like, God,
Paul Rogers, you've been around

519
00:29:29,180 --> 00:29:33,320
forever, like David Coverdale,
they like he was in rainbow

520
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,840
before, White Snake, yeah,

521
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,780
yeah. Did you ever, did you guys
see that? You, I know you didn't

522
00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:41,500
go see them, but did you see uh,
Sammy, when he came through here

523
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:46,120
in the summer, it was in August.
No, no, what a show was Kenny?

524
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,980
That was the second show that
Kenny did. Nobody was the first,

525
00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:55,420
either the way Kenny had the sub
with 24 hours notice, yeah, for

526
00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:57,280
a two and a half hour show, wow.

527
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,020
Well, he's the guy to do it. He
can thrive. Is on that. He loves

528
00:30:01,020 --> 00:30:03,720
that kind of stuff, but I do
remember Hank Williams the third

529
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,240
not never wanting to rehearse.
He's like, no, that's just gonna

530
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,940
mess us up. Yeah, let's just
keep it raw and real, baby.

531
00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:11,460
Never rehearsed. Never
rehearsed. No. And he would

532
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,300
record every show, and then we'd
listen to it on the bus. Oh,

533
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:15,840
wow,

534
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,540
yeah, that's nice, yeah. Well,
so when did you work with him?

535
00:30:18,540 --> 00:30:22,220
If I played with him in 99 it
would have been like 97 part of

536
00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:24,500
98 Oh, yeah. He seems like he
was going, going through

537
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:26,420
drummers me at that

538
00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:30,140
time. It seemed like it's funny
because he he listened back to

539
00:30:30,140 --> 00:30:34,520
every single show, yes, wow,
yeah. That's crazy. You don't

540
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,580
hear that too often, yeah, but
it's almost like, uh, you know,

541
00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:41,260
Aaron Rodgers, quarterback. He
watches all his game tape. Game

542
00:30:41,260 --> 00:30:44,380
tapes. Oh, really, after every
game, yeah, that's how you get

543
00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:46,120
better. It is good. That's

544
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,660
true. I get sick of myself. You
ever get sick or something?

545
00:30:49,780 --> 00:30:54,280
You're like that. Phil, again,
yeah, damn.

546
00:30:55,540 --> 00:30:58,060
Anymore. Are there any original
fills anymore?

547
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:03,300
But the ones that don't get you
fired and are appropriate? Are

548
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:06,540
there's only a couple of you got

549
00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:08,640
to use the standards. You can

550
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,520
put your little little slant on
them. You can add a drag here,

551
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,460
or a flam there. That's true,
but Dutch Ducato is always going

552
00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:16,620
to work, right? Yeah, I've been

553
00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:19,500
actually employing the floor tom
crash,

554
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:22,100
okay, oh, the floor tom with

555
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:23,540
a China is a nice color too.

556
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,060
Yeah, right, yeah. What

557
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,540
was that in the Huey thing,
where he Jim's

558
00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:32,000
in a gym, is in a Huey lose
tribute band, and they're gonna

559
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,340
play the city winery on May 28
we

560
00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:38,180
don't do your the housekeeping.
Oh, we

561
00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:40,160
didn't do the housekeeping
because it towards the end,

562
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,560
yeah. Was it towards again,
sure, but

563
00:31:41,620 --> 00:31:45,040
in heart and soul, yeah, here we
lose in the news, there's a

564
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:48,820
there's a breakdown in the
middle of the song, and it's

565
00:31:48,820 --> 00:31:56,080
like a got a hand clap going
over, and it's and he goes like

566
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,040
that. You know, into the mic. I
hit the China on that. I'm

567
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,320
hitting the cowbell, and they

568
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,660
see this Jim, because I've
never, you know Jim and I talk

569
00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:11,580
drums, interview drummers. I've
never seen him play in a musical

570
00:32:11,580 --> 00:32:12,120
setting. Get

571
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,200
ready to be disappointed.

572
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:20,960
Gotta be self deprecating.
Somebody has to.

573
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,560
It's fun. Humility is a good
thing. That's right, yeah. I'm

574
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,680
just trying to think of any
expectations, any fun stories

575
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,060
from working with the, you know,
the rosy Flores, I mean, legend

576
00:32:32,060 --> 00:32:32,900
Mandy. I'm curious

577
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:37,700
about the Raul. Yeah. Here's the
thing is that I wasn't really

578
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:41,920
familiar with the Mavericks up
until recently. My in laws have

579
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:47,500
friends, and these people are
die hard. I mean, they, they,

580
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,140
they're borderline doing the
Grateful Dead thing and

581
00:32:50,140 --> 00:32:53,440
following the band around. Wow,
you know, I never realized that

582
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,680
existed, that people had such
fervor, you know? And I just

583
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,680
it's probably my naivete, but,
you know, it is just

584
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,060
because you've been calling me
out on my SAT words I've been

585
00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:08,100
using. That was really good
buddy.

586
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,440
So what was it like with him? I
mean, he's, he's a prolific

587
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,060
artist, you know, yeah, yeah.

588
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,980
It was a lot of fun. He's great
to work. Great musician, yeah,

589
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,680
phenomenal bass player. I mean,
he can play drums, keys,

590
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:31,700
obviously, guitar, and there's
no better singer. Yeah, he's

591
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,760
probably one of the best singers
I've ever worked with in my

592
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,860
life. Yeah, and just the music
that he does, I've always leaned

593
00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:46,300
towards the Latin, yeah, right
grooves and stuff and so. And I

594
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:49,720
think he recognized that right
away. So we did a lot of that

595
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,220
stuff. My first gig with with
him was at the skirm a horn and

596
00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:57,040
it was with an 11 piece band. He
had brought out a lot of the

597
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:03,180
trumpet players and some of the
players from the Mavericks, not

598
00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:06,060
the main core of the band, but
like the horn players and

599
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:12,480
percussionists and so it was, it
was cool. It felt really good.

600
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:18,660
And super guy nice to work with.
Lot of fun. And when we

601
00:34:18,660 --> 00:34:24,080
traveled, man, he knew, like the
best local restaurants in every

602
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,180
city to hit. So, man, we got to
check out some amazing places.

603
00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:32,420
Just by his memory. Was he
Googling them? No, by memory,

604
00:34:32,420 --> 00:34:36,200
really? Yeah, this is like,
before cell phones, before Yelp,

605
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:38,660
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you

606
00:34:38,660 --> 00:34:42,340
worked with him before cell
phones, yeah, so I got my first

607
00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:43,300
cell phone in 99

608
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,200
I started working with him in oh
six, wow, I don't think we had

609
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:50,860
cell phones,

610
00:34:52,179 --> 00:34:57,399
yeah, in 1999 I had one of those
Verizon flip phones, the star

611
00:34:57,399 --> 00:34:57,759
tech,

612
00:34:57,820 --> 00:35:00,480
okay, yeah, I might have had one
of those. Yeah,

613
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,940
yeah. Remember the first time
you were able to get your email

614
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:05,160
on your phone? Yeah? I thought
it was the

615
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,220
coolest thing with my little
Blackberry. Yep, you had her

616
00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:11,640
pagers. Oh, yeah, I remember all
the pagers.

617
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:17,100
The codes used to if you had a
like Courtney and I were dating

618
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:21,920
at that time, and she she found
it challenging to say, I love

619
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,640
you, but she was good with
saying it through the pager. And

620
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,780
it was done by saying 143,

621
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,140
Wow, I love you. Oh,

622
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,300
one letter, four letters, three
letters, oh yeah. They're like,

623
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:35,720
the t9 texting, yep, oh yeah,
yeah. You ever see that

624
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:39,500
documentary on the death of the
Blackberry? Yes, pretty good. It

625
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:41,680
was pretty it was interesting.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, they

626
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,860
had the world by the, you know
what, and then Apple came

627
00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:47,560
around, Steve Jobs came and just
crushed them.

628
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,980
But I think they had, there's a
lot of hijinks that went on too,

629
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:54,940
right, yeah, lot of corruption
stuff like that. Because it was,

630
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,280
who was it come it was a Gosh.

631
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,780
I liked my Blackberry because it
was tactile. Yeah, I remember

632
00:36:00,780 --> 00:36:05,280
the first time I got the iPhone.
I was like, This is awkward,

633
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:07,920
yeah, because there's not real
buttons. Now the kids are like,

634
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:08,940
and

635
00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:12,300
you still miss the buttons,
yeah, yeah, you know, because

636
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:15,660
they're virtual. But the
blackberries, I think you came

637
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,060
when you and I were beginning to
be friends. You were in the

638
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:20,840
production studio at the radio
station. You had just got the

639
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,200
BlackBerry with the roll ball on
it, yeah? And you described it a

640
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,960
certain way. I was like, this is
not, yeah, no, you liked it

641
00:36:27,260 --> 00:36:30,260
because it was, it was a kin,
yeah, God, the man in the boat,

642
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:32,120
right? Yeah, you were flicking
the beam

643
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:36,740
the man in the boat.

644
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,640
Jeez. I was like, that's really
descriptive.

645
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,440
Hey, so you got, you got
something there is, then you

646
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,000
take us a trip down memory lane
with your invention, yes, oh,

647
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:55,660
the webs, yeah, so that. So we
were both Johnny Rab artists in

648
00:36:55,660 --> 00:37:01,200
the early 2000s and you created
a product that would allow you

649
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,040
to play brushes, but very loud,

650
00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:08,640
very loud, yes, is where you
could do rim shots and crash

651
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,720
cymbals. Is one of the first
brushes, I believe, with like a

652
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:18,540
heavy wooden handle, yeah. And
it was great, like working on a

653
00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:21,620
snare drone, doing a groove,
like for train beats and

654
00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:26,420
shuffles, you could get more
volume, you know, out of the

655
00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:29,900
brush. And one thing, when I
played with Brazil Billy, I

656
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:34,100
would tune my snare like a Tim
Bali, Oh, yeah. And when I

657
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:38,660
played these brushes on that
snare, it made you sound like

658
00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:43,240
you were an old recording while
you played like it sounded like

659
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:47,800
an old record. While you were
playing, the sound you were I

660
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,040
was getting, yeah, and that's
one of the things that I think

661
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,660
Johnny Rabb thought was cool. He
was playing next door at laylas.

662
00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:59,980
He would come over on break, and
he heard me playing, you know,

663
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:03,120
these these these songs, with
these brushes and more of a

664
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,080
homemade version, yeah, yeah. I
started making them myself, you

665
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,160
know, with, like, milk cartons,
pieces of plastic, yeah. And,

666
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:14,760
you know, he was like, Hey, man,
what are you using? I said,

667
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,200
Well, I'm making my own brushes.
And he wanted to get together,

668
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,800
and I was doing, like, a certain
type of technique. He's like,

669
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,320
Man, I want to, want you to show
me that technique. But we never

670
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,100
did get together for that. But
at one point, he's like, Man,

671
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:31,460
I'm putting together my own
drumstick company, and I'd like

672
00:38:31,460 --> 00:38:36,080
to make your brush. And so over
a few years, we ended up making

673
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,220
that happen together. It

674
00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:39,920
does take a little bit a while
to bring these things to

675
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,300
fruition. Oh, yeah. So did it
come to you one night you woke

676
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:47,380
up in a cold sweat, plastic
brushes, giant wood handle, no.

677
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,720
What had happened was

678
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:55,900
br five was playing Roberts and
Brazil Billy was warming up for

679
00:38:55,900 --> 00:39:01,620
them. And the owner of Roberts,
Robert Moore, older gentleman,

680
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,300
when we were playing, there
would be nobody there yet, and

681
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,820
so you had to play soft, yeah,
you know, he wanted to hear

682
00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:12,660
country music, and that's what
we were doing. And by the time

683
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,500
br five was getting ready to
play, the place would be packed,

684
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:21,980
and brushes were not enough. You
were lost. And so I was

685
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:25,400
thinking, Man, how can I make
this happen? How can I make

686
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,640
these louder? So I just started
messing around with stuff at

687
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,180
home and bringing it in and
trying it and it, you know, it's

688
00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:38,420
like, wow, I can be heard, yeah.
And I remember Donnie heron, the

689
00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:41,800
fiddle player, steel player for
br five. He would sub with us

690
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,360
sometimes, and after a while,
he's like, Man, those brushes

691
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,420
need to be heard. You need to
mic that. So I started putting a

692
00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:53,560
mic on it. And, you know, I
think that's what attracted

693
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,800
Johnny, because you could hear
this sound. Yeah. It was

694
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:57,460
distinctive,

695
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:02,100
yeah, I man, so, uh. With them
not being, you know, Johnny Rab

696
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:05,160
went out of business,
unfortunately. So with them not

697
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,700
being manufactured anymore. Do
you have, like, a nice cachet of

698
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:10,740
them where, you know, you got
them still? I

699
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:14,280
have a few. I don't have a huge
supply. Talk about the rhythm

700
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,820
songs, uh, no, the webs, okay,
yeah, yeah. Are you looking to

701
00:40:17,820 --> 00:40:19,740
kind of bring them back? I

702
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:22,520
would love to do that, because
you went to ProMark after that

703
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,560
for a little pro Mark approached
me, said, We love your brush. We

704
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,900
don't want to make it. We want
you to make it. We want to

705
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:33,440
distribute it. Yeah, and so I
did that for a few years, and

706
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,240
then that that kind of ended,
and I haven't done it since, but

707
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,220
I would like to do that again.
What

708
00:40:40,220 --> 00:40:47,680
would be a good angle is there
is this musical drumming,

709
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,000
auxiliary product distribution
company, Big Bang distribution.

710
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,740
So if you they don't do a lot of
manufacturing, but if you have a

711
00:40:56,740 --> 00:41:01,080
niche product like that, they'll
distribute it. So they might be

712
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:01,980
the guys to talk to.

713
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,700
I need a man of manufacturer,
yeah, sure, yeah,

714
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:09,480
yeah. Who do you like? Who,
gosh, where do you begin with?

715
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:09,600
Is

716
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,280
it a China thing? I

717
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,540
think so China.

718
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,400
Well, then you got the tariffs
to worry about. Oh, god, that's

719
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:17,640
right,

720
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:20,280
yeah, that's true, yeah.
Nowadays.

721
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:24,740
I mean, is there a market for
it? And was there any sort of

722
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,300
proof and proof of concept?

723
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,000
Did it sell? Well, it was Johnny
RABs best selling accessory

724
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,740
product. Look at that really,
yes. And, and Greg could affirm

725
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:43,960
that. Greg Lowman, yeah, he was
just in here? But anyhow, and

726
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,400
I've seen videos of like Harry
Stinson playing them with Marty

727
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,480
Stewart, Johnny Barber, I don't
know if you remember him. Sounds

728
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,960
familiar. He played with Loretta
Lynn, and I supplied him

729
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,460
throughout his entire life. Rest
in peace, but he loved them.

730
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,560
Yeah, yeah. I

731
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,620
think it's a great thing. And
I've got some somewhere, because

732
00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:08,880
I I always take, you know, Lee
Howard Stevens, the marimba

733
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,500
player. He's always got these in
these giant mallet bags, right,

734
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:16,440
that you would hang on the
bottom of the marimba. So, so I

735
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:23,300
stick all of my keltnerism type,
shaker, brush, hybrid things

736
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:26,720
into this bag. And I always
shows up at the session. And

737
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,360
usually the, you know, the stuff
I get called for, it never gets

738
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,660
on opened, but it's there, yeah,
if you need it, which is, it's a

739
00:42:32,660 --> 00:42:35,300
great thing. They're awesome.
Man, congratulations. Thank you.

740
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:37,460
Yeah, I think you could, you
know, the thing with

741
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:41,620
manufacturing is, is, is the
wood being the wood part being

742
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:44,560
assembled somewhere, and then is
the plastic coming Great, or is

743
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,440
it? How does that like
manufacturing? Just it's so

744
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:52,120
mysterious. Yeah, I learned a
little bit about it from my gal,

745
00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:55,660
because she's a fashion
designer, and so she was always

746
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:58,720
over in China and sourcing
fabrics. Oh, wow. And then Los

747
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,160
Angeles, downtown, Los Angeles,
has tons of factories, you know,

748
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,700
making, you know, overpriced T
shirts. Right now, you could

749
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:09,240
probably find a place. Lewisburg
seems to be turning into quite

750
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:12,840
the manufacturing hub. Oh, yeah,
really, yeah, yeah. There's a,

751
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,540
there's a company we use for a
bunch of our products down there

752
00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:21,320
that they do, fabricating
aluminum stuff like that. Yeah,

753
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,620
okay. But you know, for this,
you you'd need some sort of a,

754
00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:28,040
you know, plastic manufacturer
with the wood combo. You have it

755
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,640
here, yeah, yes, it looks good.
You want to take it out of the

756
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:31,880
bag.

757
00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:35,780
You could actually, I'm sure you
could buy, like I used to buy

758
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:41,980
the plastic separate, and I
used, I had a die cut made to

759
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:45,760
punch out this plastic. But you
know, you could buy your plastic

760
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,360
at one place, get your wood from
another place, and just have

761
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,100
someone to put them together.
Yeah.

762
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,580
Where'd you? Where'd you get
them done last when Johnny was

763
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:56,980
doing his thing, you said it was
south.

764
00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:00,460
Johnny had a company. They did
them. Yeah, was he actually

765
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:01,240
doing?

766
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,240
He was doing he was doing his
own manufacturing.

767
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:09,180
No, he he had a guy in tune
Tennessee that owned a lumber

768
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:13,140
yard, right? And that's where
they got all the wood from, and

769
00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:16,980
they hired people to put to do
the rhythm saws and put these

770
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:22,940
things together. Yeah, they're
hard to get out of this bag.

771
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:23,120
Yeah,

772
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,680
man, it's worth the wait. Need
to get a case for him. Yeah,

773
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,060
look at that. Yeah, that's

774
00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:30,680
great, man. It's

775
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,960
funny upon like, just seeing it
almost like

776
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:37,280
a got a nice double stroke roll.
Jim, that's right, yeah, see,

777
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,620
that's what happened. That's
what he did with his youth

778
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,440
practices. Rudiments,

779
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,240
yeah, they're great, man. I
mean, I have to say, even though

780
00:44:46,540 --> 00:44:50,680
I invented them, they did a good
job at making these at Johnny's

781
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:55,600
company, and they last a while,
and it's something, you

782
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,020
know, kind of unique. I think
you put that on the to do list

783
00:44:59,020 --> 00:45:01,620
to like, you know. Don't abandon
that, because I think it's a

784
00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:07,080
really great thing. And, you
know, there's just so many fun

785
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,960
little bells and whistles. Now,
everyone's attaching things to

786
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,680
their drums and muffling their
drums in so many different ways.

787
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:14,700
Now, yeah, you know, it's

788
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:18,360
so crazy just to try and, you
know, introduce a product into

789
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,920
the marketplace, because you see
a lot of them at the Music City

790
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,300
drum show coming up in July.
That's

791
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:25,640
right, Jim is going to be there
on the Saturday, and I'm going

792
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,740
to be there on the Sunday. We're
going to have a little booth.

793
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:30,080
It's going to be awesome. Yeah,
we're going to sell you stuff.

794
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,840
Have you been to the drum show
in the past? I have,

795
00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:37,460
it's the one suggestion I have.
And I've told the powers that

796
00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:40,900
be, Landon and JC, I, you know,
I just said, when you do the

797
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:45,340
clinics, you got to have a more
moratorium on all the booth

798
00:45:45,340 --> 00:45:46,540
noise, yeah,

799
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,660
because they're going to do
that, yeah, because, uh, if I

800
00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:52,600
was doing a clinic and all that
was going on, I would have a

801
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,520
really hard time. It's a
cacophony.

802
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,300
Just like, anyways, this part
right here, come up, young man,

803
00:45:58,300 --> 00:45:59,320
I want to show you this. Like,

804
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,080
it's like, oh my God, it is pure
white noise.

805
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,400
Yeah, have you? Have you gotten
into the clinic thing? Ever have

806
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,980
done it? An interest in it? I
haven't

807
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,680
gotten into it. Yeah, still, you
should,

808
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,440
because you have so much to
share. Oh, much knowledge, so

809
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,460
much experience.

810
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,840
I would be into talking about
stuff. You know, do you have

811
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:28,460
such? Do you have endorsements
time? I do have a few. I don't

812
00:46:28,460 --> 00:46:32,780
have as many as guys like
yourself. Yeah, that I've got,

813
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:35,180
like, stick drum head. Yeah,

814
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:39,740
those are the what do they? Call
them? The Expendables, the

815
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,680
consumables, consumables.

816
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,120
I would love to have drum and
symbol, and I've tried before,

817
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,540
years ago, uh, but I'm not, I
don't really chase that.

818
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:54,580
Well, what drum manufacturer Are
you passionate about? Like a

819
00:46:54,580 --> 00:46:55,720
Ludwig or

820
00:46:56,380 --> 00:46:59,980
I like sonar, okay? And I like
Ludwig. There you go. I like old

821
00:46:59,980 --> 00:47:04,860
Ludwigs. Yep, that I like sonar
and and I like Pisces symbols,

822
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,220
feisty. There is something to
Pisces, man, yeah, yeah.

823
00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:11,280
Well, we know all the people.
It's pretty easy. It's just to

824
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,860
be an introduction. You're like,
Hey, this guy has been here for

825
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,840
since 1988 crushing it. You know
what I mean. He's playing, he's

826
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,700
playing American pie with Don
McClain, like Hello, because if

827
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:25,100
you crack a symbol and you don't
have any support, you know, it's

828
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:26,060
400 bucks. 500

829
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,200
bucks. Man, yeah, you know,
well, if you can help a brother

830
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:30,800
out, yeah.

831
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,620
I mean, Ludwig is, is very and
sonar is like, Chris McCue just

832
00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:39,860
signed up with sonar. Matt
Nolan, who's coming in from

833
00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:43,180
Lainey, Wilson band is with
sonar right now. Todd Superman

834
00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:47,440
near Z, they're having another
gigantic resurgence. I mean, and

835
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,880
their stuff is wow. I mean, I've
had the I've had the S Class,

836
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,740
I've had the SQ twos, I've had
the delights. I've had the all

837
00:47:56,740 --> 00:47:59,560
the different series, and it's
just such well made stuff. Yeah,

838
00:47:59,620 --> 00:48:00,660
it really is, yeah,

839
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,780
that one kit you had that was a
red and black sparkle, yeah,

840
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:08,040
gosh. I think it was a beast. I
know. Yeah, those are tubs. They

841
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:08,160
were

842
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,880
good. And the SQ twos it was, I
it was a 26 inch bass drum. It

843
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,140
was supposed to go to Mickey D
with, with Motorhead. And he

844
00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:19,260
some, he's like, I know he
didn't like it, so they ended up

845
00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:23,840
giving it to me. It was 26 Wow,
by 20,

846
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,100
how much did that weigh? People
were, like, compensating.

847
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:32,300
But, I mean, it's like, it's a
cannon it.

848
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:36,920
I had a huge case made for it,
with all the lining, and you put

849
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,080
it in there, and then, you know,
it had like, stereo knobs, like,

850
00:48:41,260 --> 00:48:43,960
like, dot you dial really?

851
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,120
Yeah, to tune it very unique.
Oh,

852
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,000
yeah, that's right, because they
had little instead of drum keys.

853
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:50,260
Wow, that's right,

854
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,920
we'll have that drum. No, I, I
was with I stayed with sonar for

855
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,300
about a decade, and then when I
moved over to dw, I kind of

856
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:02,580
cleared house and I kept one
drum set, the s, the s class kit

857
00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:06,480
that I recorded with Kiefer and
Shauna on that, are you gonna

858
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,600
kiss me or not? Song from 2011 I
was like, Wow. I was a little

859
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,000
piece of, you know, country
music history. Let's keep the

860
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,280
kit, right, you know. But I
thought

861
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,360
you'd use the one you gave me on
that was that not it? Did I give

862
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,460
you a sonar kit? No, you it was
the the one for the spasmatics,

863
00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:24,080
oh, that was a

864
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,720
little mom and pop operation
called DMR custom neuron. That's

865
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,820
right, that's right. They're
good sounding room. Yeah, they

866
00:49:31,820 --> 00:49:34,040
are, dude. They really are, you
know, ever I think a lot of

867
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,140
these companies are getting
their wood from a lot of the

868
00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:38,960
same places. So it's really
Keller shells and stuff. Yeah,

869
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:44,740
it's just kind of what they do
with the the number of plies and

870
00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:46,540
the wraps and

871
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:48,460
you gotta, what does it make a
difference?

872
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:54,640
You know, you can take a pearl,
you know, vision or a entry

873
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,020
level $600 drum

874
00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:59,680
set. It sound like a million.
Sounds. Great. Yeah. What

875
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,200
is the. Kit. What's the house
kit at at Roberts sonar? That's

876
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,120
sonar kit. Really look at that.
Yeah,

877
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:09,060
of note, like a good one.

878
00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:13,200
Yeah, it's the, is it the
vintage series? So

879
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,340
it's a more it's a newer kit.
Yes, okay, because you remember,

880
00:50:17,580 --> 00:50:20,360
you know, all of lower Broadway
would go through a phase where,

881
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,360
for a while, like all the clubs
had may picks, then they had

882
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:29,300
tie, and then they had, let's
see Pearl, and then now we're on

883
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:29,720
a

884
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:32,600
is sonar supplying drums for

885
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,400
a lot of the a lot of the
places, yeah,

886
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,500
they're really, they're going on
the offense.

887
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,500
They're going to, yeah, man,
right. And then, of course,

888
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:42,880
we're here to take back some
market share. There's a bunch of

889
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,120
Roland kits, and I'll end the
corporate then the corporate

890
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:46,480
clubs.

891
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,600
No, weren't the D drum kits.
Back in the day when they made a

892
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,480
coup, they weren't bad. Have you
tried the D drum kits?

893
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,760
I don't think they were good,

894
00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:57,580
no, but they weren't bad. Yeah,
they were good value. They were

895
00:50:57,580 --> 00:51:00,280
definitely a good value. Yeah,
yeah, no. But kind of like how,

896
00:51:00,340 --> 00:51:05,280
you know, PDP makes a good it's
a value priced kit, but it's

897
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:08,580
like, when you're buying a PDP,
are you really? Are you buying?

898
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,660
Gosh, I don't what, what's the
metaphor we can use? I think the

899
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:17,640
thing with PDP is they're making
them they I don't want to speak

900
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,180
out terms of production. I think
that they're, they're more

901
00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:21,800
product, and they might make
them

902
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,460
in Mexico. Okay, yeah, that's
the only real legacy. I mean,

903
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:25,640
dude,

904
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:30,380
I have a PDP kit with the wood
hoops, so affordable, so sexy,

905
00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:34,580
and it's just got a gorgeous,
warm sound. It's be great for

906
00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:37,220
Americana singer songwriter,
because it's got the wood hoops,

907
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:38,720
you know, it's just mellow. It's
want to

908
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:43,960
hear something so like, pathetic
that I could never wrap my head

909
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,640
around makepex drums. They make
gorgeous drums. They I think

910
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,220
they were the first ones that
kind of spearhead the bird's eye

911
00:51:51,220 --> 00:51:55,420
maple. I like the Saturn series,
right? Yeah. And every kid I've

912
00:51:55,420 --> 00:52:00,280
played that maypex, I can't get
the name, just sounds so cheap.

913
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,120
And I actually put that up on a
Facebook like one of the

914
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,000
Nashville drummers, somebody was
talking about kits, or maybe I

915
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,060
even put the post up, I said, I
said the same thing. And I got a

916
00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:12,000
lot of, you know, hate for it,
but it was, it was one of those

917
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,400
things. But I just, is it me? It

918
00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:17,940
resonates either the company and
the product resonates with you,

919
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:21,440
you know, or it doesn't. But
that was one of the, also one of

920
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,080
the, also one of the companies.
So there was a tie period, there

921
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,660
was a pearl period, there was a
maypex period, and now we're

922
00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:30,200
running this sonar kick with all
the clubs downtown, yeah,

923
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,460
even, uh, the East Side bowl has
two or three sonar kits.

924
00:52:34,820 --> 00:52:39,920
Wow. The sonar is, like the
Mercedes. It's German, yeah? So

925
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:46,240
well made you kind of look at,
you know, dw is, I guess, a BMW,

926
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,140
yeah, right, sure. Sonor kind of
like, you know, getting into

927
00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:54,640
that exotic level. As far as
price point, you know, Tama and

928
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,300
Pearl was like your Ford and
Chevy for the longest time,

929
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:01,260
right? Jim was in car sales for
a while there. But that's, I put

930
00:53:01,260 --> 00:53:04,140
that equation on it because you
have luxury to, you know,

931
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,000
baseline and stuff like that.
Sometimes

932
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,940
the baseline is the workhorse.
You know what I mean, if you

933
00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:11,820
just, like, sometimes you play,
like, budget kits, or like the

934
00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:15,720
midline I sometimes I prefer the
sound of those.

935
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:17,760
Yeah, yeah. That happens, yeah.

936
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:21,080
But I mean, a lot of these guys,
their marketing game is getting

937
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,160
the that, that brand logo, and
DW did that in the 90s. I mean,

938
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,160
they just crushed it and got
their drums. And everything is

939
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,400
getting on television as much,
television movies, movies the

940
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,920
whole night, all the award
shows. Because you remember when

941
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,060
they first came out with drums?
You're like, all right, you

942
00:53:38,060 --> 00:53:39,140
know, yeah, that's and

943
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:41,500
then 40 something years later,
you're rocking.

944
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,200
They're the 50 years later,
yeah. But, I mean, they were,

945
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,960
they were a hardware company.
They made the pedals, yeah, they

946
00:53:47,020 --> 00:53:49,840
were known for, and then they
started making the drums. And it

947
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,660
was one of those things where it
was like, you know, when I first

948
00:53:52,660 --> 00:53:57,280
saw them advertised in Modern
Drummer, I was like, okay, you

949
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,080
know, it's like, when Remo made
drums, oh, they were like, I had

950
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:01,320
those.

951
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,460
Did you ever have any of those,
the acoustic cons? Yeah,

952
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:07,800
I remember seeing those. I never
had any. Well, what

953
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,800
do you show up to the studio?
Say you got a recording session?

954
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,880
What do you take it to the to
the studio? It's

955
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,260
funny, everyone has their own
house kit, so I don't take show

956
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,520
up snare drums and, yeah, I
bring some snares and some

957
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,540
percussion stuff and just use
whatever they have, because

958
00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:33,140
usually they have it tweaked in,
yeah, but I have a Yamaha cherry

959
00:54:33,140 --> 00:54:36,260
wood recording, custom,
beautiful that I like to use a

960
00:54:36,260 --> 00:54:39,260
lot if I'm going to take a kit,
yeah, but it depends, like, if

961
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:43,780
you know if it's something like,
if they want the music to if it

962
00:54:43,780 --> 00:54:47,080
calls for vintage drums, I'll
take something different, like

963
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,240
that. But yeah, yeah, what rooms

964
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:51,820
do you find yourself in? A lot
there a couple of rooms where

965
00:54:51,820 --> 00:54:54,580
you're like, you're on the call
list. A lot you had you end up

966
00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:58,840
in these certain spaces. No, no,
no. It's the luck of the draw.

967
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,560
Luck of the draw. We're just
waiting for this thing to go to

968
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,100
light up.

969
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:07,740
You're just, like, free flowing
through life in a way with that.

970
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,280
I mean, you kind of, you're not
planning anything. You just

971
00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:13,680
things just happen, because it's
a great way

972
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,820
to live. Last Yeah, I was 88
let's do the math. That's, uh,

973
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:23,840
35 that's you've been here 37
years? Yeah, I've been here 28

974
00:55:24,020 --> 00:55:28,220
years. Happens fast. That's a
lot of presidencies. It is. I

975
00:55:28,220 --> 00:55:31,580
you know what? But I never
thought of it. But we are, we

976
00:55:31,580 --> 00:55:35,420
are we're Hashtag blessed. I
mean, we are Hashtag blessed.

977
00:55:35,420 --> 00:55:35,600
Uh,

978
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,940
very thankful, yeah, yeah, for
sure,

979
00:55:38,180 --> 00:55:40,420
I'm kind of digging the
conversation about the drum

980
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:42,160
manufacturers, though, yeah, do
you

981
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,000
remember PV drums? Yeah, yeah.
Bobby rock.

982
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,080
Bobby rock. They had the
suspension like that that,

983
00:55:51,340 --> 00:55:54,400
yeah, he had the Sistine Chapel
painted on his shells of his

984
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:55,180
kit, yeah? But

985
00:55:55,180 --> 00:55:59,380
they had the, they were like
reinforcement hoops around the

986
00:55:59,380 --> 00:56:02,520
edges, yeah, yeah, that we're
supposed to give the shell more

987
00:56:02,580 --> 00:56:06,180
reverberation, yeah. And then we
forget about, you remember

988
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:10,080
premiere, Premier? Premier's a,
you know, a British drum

989
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,960
company, and they were always
known for having slightly

990
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,280
smaller diameters, like you
could put a 22 on there, but it

991
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,920
would just be, there would be a
little bit more overlap. Ah,

992
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,660
wow. Did you know that?

993
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:25,760
No, but premiere, it didn't,
didn't Keith Moon play Premier?

994
00:56:25,820 --> 00:56:33,560
Yes, and then who else, I think
maybe Rod morganstein with the

995
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,280
Dixie Driggs,

996
00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:40,180
okay? And, and winger, yeah, all
right, but you have Premier and

997
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,900
all these different things like
tama, they need to make a

998
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:44,320
comeback.

999
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,980
Yeah, they've got their their
marquee guys, your Kenny's and

1000
00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:50,680
your Simon Phillips's and your
Charlie Ben

1001
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,000
says, All metal guys. And even
knowing Pearl, back in the 80s,

1002
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,020
I remember just coming up, and
Pearl was just the pinnacle

1003
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,040
crazy icon, the best reason to
play drums. I never liked the

1004
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,980
hardware first. I know that was
the fan either, yeah, yeah, the

1005
00:57:04,980 --> 00:57:07,620
tube that stabbed into the yeah
drum,

1006
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,540
you know, it's, it's, you know,
it's, uh, you find your thing,

1007
00:57:12,540 --> 00:57:15,900
but yeah. Man, you should, you
should have some drums and

1008
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:16,320
cymbals.

1009
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,780
Man, you need some drums and
cymbals. John, we

1010
00:57:20,780 --> 00:57:24,560
gotta get Ludwig on it, man,
yeah, yeah, you

1011
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,560
scream Ludwig. You know what? I
mean, like, yeah, vintage, you

1012
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:32,360
know, okay, you know the
psychedelic, oh yeah, that'd be

1013
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:32,720
cool. The

1014
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,100
finish, yes, yeah,

1015
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,860
and the VISTA lights, I haven't

1016
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:41,320
I have a set of those. Oh yeah.
Which ones? Clear? Just totally

1017
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,080
clear. Yeah, I used to take them
out with Raoul. One of the

1018
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,280
things I loved with Raul was he
loved vintage drums. So every

1019
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,060
tour we did, I would take a
different kit nice. And for

1020
00:57:52,060 --> 00:57:54,760
Christmas, I would take the
VISTA lights, and we'd put

1021
00:57:54,760 --> 00:58:00,280
lights in them, ah, and he would
bring, like, vintage Christmas

1022
00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:05,700
lawn ornaments, like these trees
from the 50s. They're worth a

1023
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:09,720
fortune now. And we, you know,
we'd have the stage full of this

1024
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,600
stuff. Wow, yeah, it was, it was
really cool. I

1025
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,300
think it'd be cool to hear him
sing Christmas music. You got to

1026
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:17,940
bring your sleigh bells. Bing,
Oh, yeah. The thing, yeah. Now

1027
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:22,520
we can't not talk about this
amazing solo record. Do you This

1028
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,000
is really inspired me. John
McCarthy, the third it's about

1029
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,160
time tell us about this awesome
project. Alex

1030
00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:29,840
man, I,

1031
00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:35,360
this is a few years ago. I was,
I was playing somewhere, and I

1032
00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:39,080
started thinking, like, Man, why
did I get into this in the first

1033
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:44,500
place? And I just thought back
when I was young, like I liked

1034
00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:47,200
playing drums. I liked getting
together with other people when

1035
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,200
I was a kid. And it didn't
matter if you were in a band or

1036
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,960
not, just you'd find somebody
else in the neighborhood that

1037
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,160
played something, and you'd, you
know, go over to their basement

1038
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,780
or whatever, and jam, and you
you weren't even good enough to

1039
00:59:00,780 --> 00:59:05,820
play cover tunes. You would just
make up songs, yeah, and you'd

1040
00:59:05,820 --> 00:59:09,000
memorize them, and you'd do them
all the time, and it was fun,

1041
00:59:09,060 --> 00:59:09,780
yeah, man,

1042
00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:12,960
that's, I mean, that's going way
back, right? And,

1043
00:59:13,980 --> 00:59:17,580
and I was, I had a conversation
with Kenny Vaughn about that,

1044
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:21,200
and I said, Man, I would like to
do an album, and I would like to

1045
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,880
capture that on the record.
Would you be into it? And he's

1046
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,560
like, yeah, man, that's a great
idea. And so some time went by

1047
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,160
and I was doing another gig with
Kenny, and he approached me.

1048
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,660
He's like, dude, what about that
idea you had to do this record,

1049
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,640
and what's going on with it? And
I was like, oh, man, you know, I

1050
00:59:43,060 --> 00:59:45,640
I'm looking for a studio. I'm
trying to find something on the

1051
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,320
east side that I can afford. And
he's like, dude, Dave Rowe, I'll

1052
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:55,960
call him today. And Dave's bass
player had a great studio out in

1053
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,680
Gallatin, and I'd played with
Dave for years. And so can he

1054
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,700
call. Them, made the
arrangements, and we started

1055
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:07,260
recording there. And most of the
album is built off of duets, and

1056
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,180
it's between myself and another
artist, and I always liked old

1057
01:00:12,180 --> 01:00:19,620
school blues, like Hound Dog
Taylor T bone or T model Ford.

1058
01:00:19,860 --> 01:00:23,240
Or is this like a guitar player
that sang and a drummer, yeah,

1059
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,040
and so I based the whole record
off of duets, and I got

1060
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:30,860
different people that I played
with over the years, that I

1061
01:00:30,860 --> 01:00:34,580
admired, that I thought had the
right energy to go in and do

1062
01:00:34,580 --> 01:00:40,300
this. And then some of it is
completely arranged, string

1063
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:44,800
arrangements where I'd play a
drum pattern to a song that I

1064
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,480
wrote, like a piece that I would
write. And one of them, one of

1065
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,480
the pieces on there, Billy
Contreras played. He brought in

1066
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:57,280
four different fiddles and
basically did a string quartet

1067
01:00:57,340 --> 01:01:00,900
arrangement that I had
completely written out to a drum

1068
01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:01,800
part, yeah,

1069
01:01:01,860 --> 01:01:04,920
yeah. And the one that seems
like the biggest, if I was a

1070
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:10,380
record company suit with my
cigar, keeping time, ah, with,

1071
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:13,860
uh, Tim Carroll, yeah, I love
his rock and roll. Man, me too.

1072
01:01:13,860 --> 01:01:18,240
His, his ver, his version of
rock and roll. He, it's just

1073
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,340
great. Yeah, that's a cool tune,
man, the cool video. Thanks.

1074
01:01:22,340 --> 01:01:25,100
Very, very cool. So how long did
this take to do it? You just not

1075
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,500
like you just went into the
studio for a week and locked

1076
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:30,020
yourself. You just did it over
slowly, yeah,

1077
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:33,200
probably took like, a year and a
half doing bits and pieces here

1078
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,900
and there, yeah, but, uh, and
you mentioned

1079
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:39,560
Dave Rowe, God rest his soul.
This was right before he passed.

1080
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,380
Right, yes, yeah, yeah.

1081
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:47,440
And it was kind of ironic to do
this, you know, I went out, we

1082
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,980
went out there to do to start
recording, and Dave's a bass

1083
01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:55,660
player, and it's like, Hi, Dave,
I want to, I'd like to come to

1084
01:01:55,660 --> 01:02:00,720
your studio and do a record with
no bass guitar. What do you

1085
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:05,220
think now? And he was totally
cool, yeah, yeah. I used some of

1086
01:02:05,220 --> 01:02:07,860
the drums that he had, like the
house drum kit that he had

1087
01:02:07,860 --> 01:02:14,280
there, and supplement it with
some of my gear. But yeah, and

1088
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,620
he was, he was, when it was
finished, he was kind of proud

1089
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:18,900
of it. He's like, Man, this,
this ended up really being a

1090
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:21,260
nice record. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So

1091
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,460
it's definitely a publicist
stream, because there's such an

1092
01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:29,720
interesting story there was it?
Were you able to get some nice,

1093
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,060
like, reviews and good magazines
and stuff

1094
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,620
I did the Wall Street Journal?
Holy, did it write them? Holy,

1095
01:02:36,620 --> 01:02:40,040
wow, yeah. And it's like, I'm a
drummer. I'm not even on a label

1096
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,740
that is great press. It's kind
of unheard of, yeah, wow. So

1097
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:48,820
your publicist, she's good
Karen, like Zeger. She opened

1098
01:02:48,820 --> 01:02:53,320
some doors there. She totally
did. That's great, yeah, and had

1099
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,680
a lot of other nice The thing
is, it's like, because I'm not

1100
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,040
Springsteen or Elton John,
they're not going to write

1101
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,620
anything bad about me. If they
don't like it, they're just not

1102
01:03:02,620 --> 01:03:05,820
going to not gonna say anything.
So for them to say anything at

1103
01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:10,680
all, that's like a good thing.
And I think we there were

1104
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,940
probably, like, 10 or 12
magazines that said something

1105
01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:17,880
about it. Very nice. It's very
cool. Yeah, congratulations.

1106
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,240
Thank you. Thanks, Rich. And who
knows, there might be some more

1107
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,920
down the line that is true. Um,
for sure. I've got one that's

1108
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,340
finished, and it's going to be
released the end of May. Okay,

1109
01:03:28,340 --> 01:03:31,520
yeah, and yeah, and I like how
you did music videos for all the

1110
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,240
tracks. Thanks. Yeah, very cool.
Whoever that video videographer

1111
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,060
was, I noticed it was the same
videographer in all the videos,

1112
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,820
I guess. Joshua Smith, yeah, put
all that together. Very good,

1113
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,700
different footage that I had,
some that he would get off the

1114
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:46,120
internet,

1115
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,380
like, like,

1116
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,780
stock footage. Yes, exactly.
Very cool, yeah. Jim,

1117
01:03:53,020 --> 01:03:57,100
yeah, I was thinking about going
to the Fave Five. The Fave Five,

1118
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:57,580
yeah, you

1119
01:03:57,580 --> 01:03:59,980
want to do the the, like, new
questions, like we did in the

1120
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:02,140
last one. You want to stick to
what you want to

1121
01:04:02,140 --> 01:04:04,620
stick to? My old boy, to my old,
boring ones. Then you hit them

1122
01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:05,760
with the new ones. The new ones.

1123
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,620
Okay. What's your favorite
color? Blue.

1124
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,120
We are on a Why are we so
surprised 10

1125
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,400
drummers in a row? But for a
while, we are getting the

1126
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,340
weirdest things. You know,
Indigo. Yeah, we're getting some

1127
01:04:17,340 --> 01:04:20,720
strange stuff. Oh, wow. What's
your favorite food or dish?

1128
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:24,620
Pizza. You can't screw it up,
right? Even the Red Baron is

1129
01:04:24,620 --> 01:04:25,820
gorgeous, yeah,

1130
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:30,380
yeah, you know what I mean. Like
the frozen pizza, bread, cheese,

1131
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,100
sauce, sauce, yeah. Do you think
they cover complicate pizza

1132
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:34,820
sometimes? Well,

1133
01:04:34,820 --> 01:04:38,600
yeah, I don't. The meat lovers
is like, that's gross. I don't

1134
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,160
want all an amalgamation of me,
amalgamation, yeah. What is the

1135
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,820
what's your favorite? Like,
what's your go to for pizza in

1136
01:04:45,820 --> 01:04:49,900
Nashville? Yeah, five points.
Yeah. There's also another

1137
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:54,760
place, Roy's tavern. It's a
newer place. It's by the

1138
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:59,920
Inglewood post office, and they
have killer square cut. You.

1139
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,660
Pizza.

1140
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,780
Oh no, is it like Detroit style,
where it's like a It's

1141
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:09,720
not super thick, yeah, but it
has air pockets, oh, and crispy

1142
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,860
crust, like flaky. And my
favorite there's the tavern.

1143
01:05:13,860 --> 01:05:17,460
It's like a sausage and
gardenia, so it's a little

1144
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:19,680
spicy. Oh, wow, yeah, it's
really cute. It's kind

1145
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,300
of like a pasty sound edge. He's
got pockets. It's got air

1146
01:05:23,300 --> 01:05:24,740
pockets, nice.

1147
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:28,040
Or Sapiens Sabians have that
too. Sapiens,

1148
01:05:28,220 --> 01:05:31,220
no, the pasty sound edges they
had, like the little, yeah,

1149
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,620
I have a set of hats like that.
Yeah, that's, those are

1150
01:05:33,620 --> 01:05:35,900
cool. What is your favorite
drink?

1151
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:40,840
Uh, you talking alcohol or, I
mean, it's usually more fun. But

1152
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:46,060
yeah, anything I like matcha. Oh
yeah, like a matcha tea, yes.

1153
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,580
Can you make that at your at
your house? Like, yeah, okay,

1154
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,280
yeah, boil water and you get the
mix,

1155
01:05:52,180 --> 01:05:55,720
yeah. And I use almond milk, oh
yeah. And

1156
01:05:55,780 --> 01:05:59,620
I'm highly lactose intolerant.
That's, I don't know. I say, do

1157
01:05:59,620 --> 01:06:02,760
you do it for health reasons.
The almond milk,

1158
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:07,380
yeah, it's just, I think it's
better than regular milk, yeah,

1159
01:06:07,380 --> 01:06:08,520
yeah, yeah.

1160
01:06:08,580 --> 01:06:13,320
Now this is a tough one favorite
song of your lifetime, or at the

1161
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:14,520
moment,

1162
01:06:18,780 --> 01:06:20,220
it's a John Lennon song.

1163
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,560
What's it called? I was just
thinking of it the other day.

1164
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,880
I just saw Ringo Friday. So all
Oh, did you go to the Ryman or

1165
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,940
Grand Ole Opry? Grand Ole Opry,
yeah. So right now I've got,

1166
01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:39,440
with a little help from my
friends, in my mind, yeah, this

1167
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:44,560
is another song by John Lennon.
Oh, in my life, okay, yes,

1168
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,120
amazing. Love that song. And

1169
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,400
so what is it about it that
resonates with you?

1170
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,880
Just, I think the lyrics, yeah,
what he's saying, yes, and the

1171
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,600
fact that he's passed away,
yeah, makes a difference, yeah,

1172
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,560
yeah. Are you a lyricist? Do you
like to write lyrics? First song

1173
01:07:01,620 --> 01:07:03,420
I do, but I don't do a lot of
that. Yeah, I

1174
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,660
don't know if you ever jump into
the deep end of the pool and CO

1175
01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:10,500
write for you know, traditional
lyric songs.

1176
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:15,180
Do you not do that? But on my
next record, there's a song that

1177
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:19,620
I have written with lyrics, and
I'm singing, oh, that's I was I

1178
01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:21,200
was about to ask, it's my debut.

1179
01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:25,700
So are you nervous about this,
or because it's something?

1180
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:31,220
No, it's something that I like
to do. And I'm making records

1181
01:07:31,220 --> 01:07:37,040
because I like to do this stuff.
Yeah, if somebody else doesn't

1182
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:41,200
like it, or, you know, doesn't
sell a million copies like it

1183
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,460
should. It doesn't matter. It's
it's fun for me. And I like

1184
01:07:45,460 --> 01:07:50,560
making music, creating things,
so I think it's cool to do

1185
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,640
something, to be able to do
that. Yeah, I feel very again,

1186
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:55,180
blessed.

1187
01:07:55,180 --> 01:07:58,420
I'm very motivated because I,
it's Jim, this has been on my to

1188
01:07:58,420 --> 01:08:04,200
do list. It's like, I, you know,
I did a 120 high definition

1189
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,880
videos as a part of a training
course, you know, for drummers.

1190
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,340
But I haven't done a solo
record. I gotta do a song. I

1191
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:14,040
gotta do it. Yeah, you've
totally inspired me. What's your

1192
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,500
favorite movie of the moment or
of all time?

1193
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,940
I don't know about all time, it
is a tough question, but I like

1194
01:08:25,940 --> 01:08:28,220
how you're just facing it
bravely, and you're just like,

1195
01:08:28,220 --> 01:08:30,320
because a lot of people are
like, Oh man, you really caught

1196
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,660
me off. You're just like, I got
it.

1197
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:37,040
Give me a second. Well, there's
a there's a movie with Anthony

1198
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:44,020
Hopkins, and I can't think of
the Thor, hmm. Thor, no, but

1199
01:08:44,020 --> 01:08:49,900
this is about the ninth train.
It's, it's kind of a dark thing.

1200
01:08:49,900 --> 01:08:55,660
It's a, it was a he. It was a
story about a gentleman. I can't

1201
01:08:55,660 --> 01:08:58,480
even think of his name right
now, but he was helping children

1202
01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:04,140
escape during the Second World
War, and there was a had gotten

1203
01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:08,520
away with eight trains, and the
ninth train didn't make it. And

1204
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:13,860
it's, I saw this the last time.
I was flying to a dawn gig, and

1205
01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:17,700
it's like, wow, this is
heartbreaking, but a beautiful

1206
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:18,000
movie.

1207
01:09:18,060 --> 01:09:23,480
Well, he's such a great actor.
Oh my god, and he's composer, is

1208
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:25,880
he? Anthony Hopkins, has written
symphonies.

1209
01:09:25,940 --> 01:09:28,460
I did not know that, really. And
he paints,

1210
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,780
you know what movie became, the
prominence in what silence of

1211
01:09:32,780 --> 01:09:33,140
the layer?

1212
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,780
Yeah, fava bean, that's right.

1213
01:09:37,340 --> 01:09:41,620
Yeah. So Jim, ask your new
questions that you got going

1214
01:09:41,620 --> 01:09:46,420
on, okay, what's the most
useless talent you have? Useless

1215
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:47,500
talent.

1216
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,060
I'm very good at growing
vegetables. Maybe that's not

1217
01:09:52,060 --> 01:09:52,540
useless.

1218
01:09:52,540 --> 01:09:54,940
Useful. That's great in your
backyard. You got a little

1219
01:09:54,940 --> 01:09:55,540
garden? Yeah?

1220
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,340
Nice. Yeah. I'm really good at
it.

1221
01:09:58,660 --> 01:10:01,980
I guess that's not useless.
Yeah. Know, I don't know about

1222
01:10:01,980 --> 01:10:02,520
useless,

1223
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:07,020
tough question. Yeah, I don't
know what I would ask or answer

1224
01:10:07,020 --> 01:10:07,740
with that. Oh,

1225
01:10:07,740 --> 01:10:09,660
so if you had to play an
attribute band, if

1226
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,020
you had to play in a tribute
band for the rest of your life,

1227
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:16,560
you couldn't do anything else,
and you had to play the same

1228
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:22,760
songs over and over and over
again until your dying day, what

1229
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,960
band would you be covering?
Rush? No, wow, that was out of

1230
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:27,680
left field.

1231
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,500
So you're a rush coach.

1232
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,260
I was, yeah, I was, so

1233
01:10:33,260 --> 01:10:36,800
you went from the idea of a lot
of drums, now you and I play

1234
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,240
four piece drum sets. Yes,

1235
01:10:38,780 --> 01:10:41,680
a lot of that because is because
you have to carry it, or you

1236
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,860
used to, yeah, now all the clubs
and the studios have their own

1237
01:10:44,860 --> 01:10:49,060
kit so, but, man, when I first,
when I was younger, I would

1238
01:10:49,060 --> 01:10:53,080
bring every drum I owned. I'd
bring a Glock and spiel, you

1239
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:53,380
know,

1240
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,560
yeah, it's and why would why did
we do that?

1241
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,140
Because we admired guys like
Neil Purdon, yeah, you know, I

1242
01:11:01,140 --> 01:11:06,600
had a pearl red satin Neil pert
Kitt, even though I don't think

1243
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,420
he had ever used pearl at that
point. But it was like, from the

1244
01:11:09,420 --> 01:11:15,000
666, inch tom down to a 16,
yeah, one bass drum. So you

1245
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,720
had, you kind of had the nickel
Mcbrain kind of thing going on,

1246
01:11:18,780 --> 01:11:23,540
I guess, yeah, yeah, from Iron
Maiden. But he's just retired.

1247
01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:29,240
He just retired. Yeah, he's done
the Yeah. That's, I had a pearl

1248
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,840
export, similar setup, and it
was, I didn't have a six inch

1249
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:37,700
drum. I had an eight, 210s, 12,
1316, looked like a roller

1250
01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:43,120
coaster. Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah,
I would, I would bring it

1251
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,660
around, and I packed every
single drum of that kit I

1252
01:11:46,660 --> 01:11:50,740
probably had like nine symbols
on it, wow, into a Suzuki

1253
01:11:50,740 --> 01:11:51,640
samurai. I think

1254
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,900
my favorite record of theirs was
signals. Okay, I like that,

1255
01:11:56,260 --> 01:12:04,620
subdivisions and all that. Yep,
boom. Just great stuff in the

1256
01:12:04,620 --> 01:12:09,540
press role, man, yeah, great. I

1257
01:12:09,540 --> 01:12:12,540
like power windows. Yeah, that
was a good album. I

1258
01:12:12,540 --> 01:12:16,080
forgot to ask you, who did you
study with at Berkeley? Who was

1259
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,060
the teacher back then private

1260
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:21,980
lessons? Yeah, I started with
Bill Coffman first year, and

1261
01:12:21,980 --> 01:12:25,580
then John Ramsey, the
restaurant. Ramsey, yeah, John

1262
01:12:25,580 --> 01:12:26,840
was the shit, yeah,

1263
01:12:26,900 --> 01:12:29,840
yeah. And I love that you love
Latin rhythms, because it's

1264
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,080
like, who says that a good
English Irishman can't play Cha

1265
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:37,160
Chas song goes Samba, Bossa
novas.

1266
01:12:37,220 --> 01:12:40,840
Man, when I was in Berkeley, I
would come home and I my parents

1267
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,840
were great dancers. They didn't
play instruments, although my

1268
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:48,160
dad, when he was young, I guess
he wanted to play drums, and his

1269
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:53,200
mom bought him pieces of kits,
wow. And he would try, yeah,

1270
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,980
nothing ever happened. But they
were dances. And I used to ask

1271
01:12:56,980 --> 01:13:00,780
her, like, Did you guys ever
listen to Latin music? Because,

1272
01:13:00,780 --> 01:13:05,700
for some reason, I have this
heartfelt thing for it. It's

1273
01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:09,840
like, it's, it's very
distinctive towards this kind of

1274
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,080
music. And she's like, No, we
were ballroom dancers. And, you

1275
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,200
know, your daddy likes a little
bit of swing, but not even

1276
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,140
hardcore jazz. So I don't know
where that came from, but it's

1277
01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:19,800
there. Yeah,

1278
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,480
my dad loved that. Gene Krupa,
yeah. And then my grandparents

1279
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:26,060
would go, and they would dance
at the Savoy Ballroom in New

1280
01:13:26,060 --> 01:13:29,480
York City, really, to Gene
Krupa. Glenn Miller, Tommy

1281
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:33,860
Dorsey, Chick Webb, wow. Yeah.
Where are you from? I'm

1282
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,800
originally from Connecticut,
okay. And then when I was 11, I

1283
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:40,780
moved to El Paso Texas, and so,
you know, I played in cumbia

1284
01:13:40,780 --> 01:13:45,220
bands, and, you know, kind of
kicked around. Got my education

1285
01:13:45,220 --> 01:13:48,340
in Texas, and I moved here in
1997

1286
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,540
crazy. What was your nickname
you played with the guy who

1287
01:13:52,540 --> 01:13:54,940
called you certain. Oh, yeah,
thunder.

1288
01:13:55,120 --> 01:14:00,300
Thunder, right? Yeah. He was a,
he's a Puerto Rican coro Tim

1289
01:14:00,300 --> 01:14:06,240
Bali guy, and he said, I solo,
you play time. And I was like,

1290
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:10,140
you know, it's like, 19 years
old. It was the summer between

1291
01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:13,500
my freshman and sophomore year
of college, and I just wanted to

1292
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:16,260
get some real work experience.
And man, did I get it. It was

1293
01:14:16,260 --> 01:14:19,680
like, he's like, stay out of the
way. Too complicated, simple

1294
01:14:19,740 --> 01:14:24,320
play time was like, wow, it was
good, yeah, it was good for me.

1295
01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:26,300
You know, yeah, really was.

1296
01:14:26,540 --> 01:14:29,540
He didn't break the cycle, huh?
He didn't break the cycle.

1297
01:14:30,980 --> 01:14:33,500
I had a great time. Man. Is
anything else you want to

1298
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:35,840
discuss in a public forum
that'll be captured for all

1299
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:41,800
time? No pressure forever. You
wanna say anything to your ex

1300
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,720
girlfriends or anything out
there? No,

1301
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,060
I certainly do not. Yeah,

1302
01:14:46,660 --> 01:14:49,720
kids that you may or may not
have. Yeah, no,

1303
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,440
I don't think, I don't think I
have any unknown children. Yeah,

1304
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,240
I don't have any children, do

1305
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,540
you No, I've been so busy doing
this thing. Yeah, you know,

1306
01:14:58,660 --> 01:14:59,680
yeah. Takes

1307
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,740
time. To do this, I always

1308
01:15:01,740 --> 01:15:07,500
pull out, okay, Jim mark, that
we got to get rid of that. But

1309
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:10,200
no existing is all encompassing.
It's really,

1310
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:13,740
it's hard, you know, it's not
that I've avoided that. It just

1311
01:15:13,740 --> 01:15:14,520
hasn't happened,

1312
01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:18,060
yeah? You know, never seen ever,
yeah, yeah, man,

1313
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,460
it's never too late. It is never
too late. But I met a chapter in

1314
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,360
my life that I I don't I don't
think I would want to chase a

1315
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,980
kid around a house. I want to
slow down, if I can. Yeah,

1316
01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:35,060
I know what you mean, just a
little bit. You know, smell the

1317
01:15:35,060 --> 01:15:38,480
roses. Be comfortable. I get so
much joy

1318
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:43,480
with my cup of coffee in the
morning. It's the I just look

1319
01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:47,980
forward to it so much, the
smell, the aroma, the ritual

1320
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,100
that is my time. Love it.

1321
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,660
I totally understand. Sure,

1322
01:15:52,900 --> 01:15:54,580
yeah, what's that like?

1323
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,320
Jim wakes up to a house of just
screaming

1324
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,520
energy. No, we're weird. It's
pretty chill. Just, you know,

1325
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,320
got to get off to work. There's
a lot going

1326
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,200
on. Yeah? Well, you know how
they say, try to, you know,

1327
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,620
ground yourself, put your put
your feet on grass or in the

1328
01:16:10,620 --> 01:16:14,820
dirt. Try to meditate. A little
bit exercise every day. Read a

1329
01:16:14,820 --> 01:16:17,400
couple of pages of book of
every, you know, a couple of

1330
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,780
pages of a book, you know, just
for your mental health. So,

1331
01:16:20,780 --> 01:16:23,120
like, if I can in the morning,
and I don't have to go running

1332
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,420
out to get drum sounds at nine
in the morning, I'm gonna have

1333
01:16:26,420 --> 01:16:29,720
the coffee and just a couple of
pages of a book. You know, yeah,

1334
01:16:29,900 --> 01:16:31,700
nice, yeah. And

1335
01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:34,940
I'm watching adult cartoons
right now. I highly recommend

1336
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:36,620
primal on

1337
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,900
so you probably shouldn't say
that publicly. HBO, Max adult

1338
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:41,860
cartoons, wow,

1339
01:16:41,980 --> 01:16:45,880
yeah, I'm like, Adult Swim.
Adult Swim. It's totally

1340
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:46,960
an adult room cartoon.

1341
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,200
Okay, yeah, wow. It's weird.
Jim,

1342
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,200
thank you, as always for You're
welcome for your natural

1343
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:54,580
inquisitiveness

1344
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,120
and big vocabulary. Yeah, you
hit me

1345
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,020
with two big words today, buddy.
Now, what were the issues I

1346
01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:05,100
don't forget, but ambiguity. He
said regularly, yeah. He did

1347
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:06,240
several times. And that's

1348
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,120
a tough word for him. That's a
bane of my existence. That word,

1349
01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:11,280
okay? John McGee, the third.com

1350
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,660
Yes, everybody, check that out.
And then do you go? Do you do

1351
01:17:15,660 --> 01:17:20,480
the Facebook, Instagram thing?
Yes, okay, yeah. We're probably

1352
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:25,640
friends. We are, yeah, see, it's
like, no these 5000 people that

1353
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,180
follow you around for the rest
of your life. It's pretty

1354
01:17:29,180 --> 01:17:31,760
amazing. It really is. But hey,
thanks for doing this, man,

1355
01:17:31,820 --> 01:17:36,380
thanks for having me. I'm really
glad we got to chat, and I think

1356
01:17:36,380 --> 01:17:39,380
that the record is fantastic and
correct. Congratulations. Thank

1357
01:17:39,380 --> 01:17:41,800
you so much. And bring those
things back. Good to meet you.

1358
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,020
It's a pleasure. Jim, yeah,
thanks for having me.

1359
01:17:44,140 --> 01:17:47,080
Thanks. John, thanks, Jim. Hey
to all the listeners. We really

1360
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,380
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1361
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01:17:53,980 --> 01:17:57,400
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1363
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,860
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1364
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:04,800
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