1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,920 Unknown: When you're in your bedroom and you're like, you're, 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,520 you're like, 1516, years old. You're like, I want to be a 3 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:08,880 professional drummer. I want to, like, tour and like, you know, 4 00:00:08,940 --> 00:00:12,960 and then, like, what actually like, I never, I know you you 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,860 can relate. I never, ever envisioned, ever playing in 6 00:00:16,860 --> 00:00:21,980 front of, you know, like half of a million people in Russia, 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:22,760 like, 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,360 I can't say that, but that's, yeah, that's a big crowd, bro, 9 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:27,200 dude. 10 00:00:27,740 --> 00:00:34,700 I mean, just just the, you know, just the things that come about 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,960 that are like, Man, I had no idea that I would be here or do 12 00:00:39,020 --> 00:00:42,520 this or do that, or wind up playing with, you know, Dead 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,540 Kennedys and, like, just, you know, like, whatever it's, it's 14 00:00:46,540 --> 00:00:48,760 just, it's, it's, it's, you 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,880 stick around long enough these and you're a good person, and 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,760 you like, you know you got a firm handshake, you know, you 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,120 got a great smile. You're a likable person. You know what 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,400 you're doing. You know, you show up on time. Your check. You 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,880 check all the boxes, buddy. Of course, somebody's going to want 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,380 to ride a bus 21 00:01:07,380 --> 00:01:10,200 with you. This is the rich Redmond show. 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,260 What's up, folks out there in podcasting land, you hipsters, 23 00:01:16,260 --> 00:01:19,500 you rockers, your jazzers, your folkers, your songwriters, 24 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:21,860 producers, engineers, whoever's listening to the show, we do 25 00:01:21,860 --> 00:01:25,760 appreciate it. Hey, it's a solo show today. My co author, co 26 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,120 producer, I said co author, we'll probably write a book 27 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,660 together. CO producer, co host, Jim McCarthy. Jim McCarthy, 28 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:36,620 voiceovers.com, it's your show.co. He's on vacation. I 29 00:01:36,620 --> 00:01:38,960 mean, occasionally we got to do this thing. I'm not going to see 30 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:41,680 a vacation until maybe the last week of August, and even then, 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,380 we'll see if it happens like, you know, you take a vacation, 32 00:01:44,380 --> 00:01:48,280 you retire, that's when you die. You gotta keep moving. You gotta 33 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,100 keep grooving. You gotta do this thing. My mom, she's like, 34 00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:54,880 pushing 80. She's like, working out two hours a day. She keeps 35 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,700 an immaculate garden. She's in the Martini club, she's in the 36 00:01:57,700 --> 00:02:00,780 pottery club, she's in the line dancing club, she's in the 37 00:02:00,780 --> 00:02:04,380 shelling club, and she's like, vibrant. She's living so anyway, 38 00:02:04,380 --> 00:02:07,620 super excited about today's guest, because we go back. We 39 00:02:07,620 --> 00:02:13,260 got history in the Los Angeles and now in the 615, Nashville, 40 00:02:13,260 --> 00:02:18,120 hailing from a little town outside of St Louis, Pacific, 41 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:23,120 misery, Pacific, Missouri, calling uh LA home for 21 years, 42 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,720 Nashville, coming up on four years. Great friend of mine. 43 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,380 He's a super versatile drummer. He's played with punk legends, 44 00:02:30,380 --> 00:02:35,180 the dead, Kennedys, pop stars, tattoo a blues legend, Geneva. 45 00:02:35,180 --> 00:02:39,860 Is that right? Steve, Jennifer, I'm so sorry, Jennifer, because 46 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:42,760 I would probably be side stage at some point, watching you do 47 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,080 that, you know, at some point. And also, uh, country rocker 48 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,320 Mark McKay, who we share credits with. We can, we could talk 49 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,220 about him, but, um, I'm talking about my friend Steve Wilson. 50 00:02:54,220 --> 00:02:54,760 What's up, 51 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,640 buddy? What's going on? Baby? Good to see you, dude. 52 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:00,340 Have you like, Have you listened to one episode of this show 53 00:03:00,340 --> 00:03:02,040 ever? Do you know what you're getting yourself 54 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:05,700 into? I you know, I might have, I might have pulled some stuff 55 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:09,720 up and taken a look. And I gotta say, Man, I'm so excited that 56 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,060 we're finally getting to do this. Because I know we've been, 57 00:03:12,420 --> 00:03:15,480 we've been playing the schedule back and forth. 58 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,580 It's like herding cats. I learned that in the south 59 00:03:17,580 --> 00:03:20,100 someone's like, Hey, man, it's like, Chad Cromwell told me, 60 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:22,460 it's like herding cats. We finally got I was like, What do 61 00:03:22,460 --> 00:03:24,860 you it's just the thing, you know, because cats are pretty 62 00:03:24,860 --> 00:03:30,860 they're pretty hard to herd, yeah, yeah, they're not herd 63 00:03:30,860 --> 00:03:35,240 animals. But we're so busy, and Nashville has become such an 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,380 urban the spread, this urban spread, that we're just like, 65 00:03:39,380 --> 00:03:42,820 You know what? Let's just zoom this thing, man. So we're doing 66 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,000 it. So if you guys that are just listening, Steve is killing it. 67 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,020 He's in his voice over studio. He's got tons of drip on, of 68 00:03:50,020 --> 00:03:52,660 course. He's wearing the black tee. That's what we do as 69 00:03:52,660 --> 00:03:54,700 drummers. We wear the, you know, the black 70 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:57,580 tee, yeah, well, you know, I mean, it's a uniform. 71 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,260 But listen to those pipes, guys. This is, this is like we all got 72 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:04,740 to have. We're multipreneurs nowadays. Of course we love the 73 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:07,680 drums, of course we love music. Of course you want to play live. 74 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,020 Of course we want to record, we want to teach, we want to do the 75 00:04:10,020 --> 00:04:13,320 thing. But Steve realized that he had these pipes, and that's 76 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,220 actually, is that how we met the pipes thing, doing the 77 00:04:17,220 --> 00:04:17,940 voiceover, 78 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,560 you know? I think it was, I think I think we talked drums, 79 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,320 like third or fourth, you know, like, I think we were hanging 80 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,820 out. We were hanging out the bow and the rainbow in LA and our 81 00:04:28,820 --> 00:04:32,420 good friend Jason Sutter, introduced us to one another, 82 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:38,720 and I just remember you and I were chatting it up. And we 83 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,920 wound up going back to Jason's house, a bunch of us after the 84 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,100 bar closed, and I remember I was reading, like a bottle of it. 85 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:47,320 You're like, read this, read this. It was like a bottle of 86 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,680 like, Heinz 57 ketchup. And you were like, and I'm like, 87 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,360 read me the ingredients. 88 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,300 I just remember, you know, 89 00:04:56,740 --> 00:05:00,180 of course, we were sober and and I remember just trying to. Like, 90 00:05:00,180 --> 00:05:08,100 read, Sal, see, salt, yellow dye, number 15 and but you were 91 00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:13,140 like, early on, one of my biggest supporters. You're like, 92 00:05:13,140 --> 00:05:16,200 dude, you've got a day when I would go six months without 93 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,200 seeing you, and you would be like, are you, you know? Are 94 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,920 you? Are you auditioning yet? Have you got an agent? Are you? 95 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,540 Like, what are you doing? You 96 00:05:23,540 --> 00:05:25,700 know, we got to do that for each other, you know what I mean. But 97 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:27,080 it's like we do, but I 98 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,760 but, yeah, that's you were one of my very earliest supporters, 99 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,220 which I appreciate. And we still, every time I see you, we 100 00:05:34,220 --> 00:05:38,060 still talk about vo because you were, you were doing acting and 101 00:05:38,060 --> 00:05:40,760 like you were, like, really, like, yeah. 102 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,180 So, you know, it's so, you know, it's funny is, is that it's, 103 00:05:43,180 --> 00:05:46,300 it's like a very Bob Seger kind of moment. It was like, this is, 104 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:48,340 like, one of those Hollywood nights. It's like, you know, 105 00:05:48,340 --> 00:05:51,100 you're on, you're on the strip, and like, they kick you, you 106 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:56,080 know, LA is a relatively roll up the streets, kind of early town. 107 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,360 People don't know that, but they kick you out of these places. 108 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,280 And then where do you end up? You're going to end up 109 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:02,380 somewhere, right? So you end up in one of the boroughs. So we go 110 00:06:02,380 --> 00:06:04,380 to North Holly, North Hollywood. We're doing the thing. We're at 111 00:06:04,380 --> 00:06:08,580 Jason's house. You're reading the back of a Heinz 57 ketchup 112 00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:10,260 bottle, you know, all the genetically modified 113 00:06:10,260 --> 00:06:12,660 ingredients. And, you know, then I'm like, like, Hey, man, we 114 00:06:12,660 --> 00:06:14,580 should, like, we got to support each other with this thing. 115 00:06:14,580 --> 00:06:17,700 Because, yes, at the time I was studying, you know, improv 116 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:21,740 comedy, voiceover, TV hosting, you know, cold reading, like, 117 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,720 all the stuff I was like, You know what? Maybe there is 118 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,260 something that I could do with this outgoing personality, still 119 00:06:27,260 --> 00:06:31,100 trying to do it little. I don't know if you've known this, but 120 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,820 I'm sure you feel the pain. It's just really hard to do 80 121 00:06:34,820 --> 00:06:37,760 auditions a year and ride a tour bus and live in airports and all 122 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,280 that kind of stuff. But I'll tell you afterwards, but I do 123 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:45,640 have a new part coming up, and it's very closely related to the 124 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,760 music thing, you know. So I'm probably going to be playing a 125 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,600 drummer, but it's a real Hollywood film, and it's 126 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,140 filming, and so you know what? Hey, let's, let's do it, you 127 00:06:56,140 --> 00:06:56,380 know? 128 00:06:56,500 --> 00:07:01,740 Yeah, that's amazing, yeah. I mean, I, I always thought that, 129 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:05,400 like, I saw your, you're real, you sent me your real you sent 130 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:10,320 me your voiceover demo. And, yeah, dude. I mean, it's, it's 131 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:16,020 there, it's just like, you know, we didn't wake up and we could 132 00:07:16,020 --> 00:07:19,620 play the way we play now. I mean, it takes 10s of 1000s of 133 00:07:19,620 --> 00:07:23,000 hours and years and years to get good at this. Yeah, so, dude, 134 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,520 so good. So we'll get back to the voiceover, because that is 135 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,100 fun. I mean, if you if anybody's just listening, I mean, listen 136 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:30,740 to that baritone. That is incredible. And, and I know the 137 00:07:30,740 --> 00:07:32,840 kind of work you do, you do a lot of auditioning, you do 138 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,860 studying, but you know, you you read, like, textbooks and like, 139 00:07:36,860 --> 00:07:40,420 you know, instructional things that are like, insert slot A and 140 00:07:40,420 --> 00:07:42,880 the slot B, and I'm like, God bless you, buddy, because that's 141 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,100 there's a little thing called patience. 142 00:07:46,180 --> 00:07:48,820 Yeah, I've heard of it. Yeah, whoa. 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At you taught yourself how to 171 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:32,000 play the drums at four, you got your first set of drums at 11. 172 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,700 You joined your first band at 13. It's all odd numbers here, 173 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:37,340 except for the four. You got your first gig at 15, and then 174 00:09:37,340 --> 00:09:40,360 your first recording session at 17, and then it was downhill 175 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,300 from there that it was all downhill from there. So tell us 176 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:45,940 about the love affair with the drums. What sparked it? Was it 177 00:09:45,940 --> 00:09:49,240 like a thing you heard? Did you have brothers or sisters that 178 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,960 were like, dude, check this out. Houses of the holy What was the 179 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:53,260 thing? 180 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:59,740 Yeah, I was very fortunate to live in a house surrounded by 181 00:09:59,740 --> 00:10:04,620 me. Positions. My dad plays guitar, sings. He played 182 00:10:04,620 --> 00:10:07,860 locally, wedding receptions. He played, you know, the honky tonk 183 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:13,920 around town. My uncle Wayne was a bass player. He played for 184 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,740 Stonewall Jackson. He actually lived here in Nashville in the 185 00:10:16,740 --> 00:10:23,720 70s and the 80s, played the Opry, played the Ryman, played 186 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:29,660 the and then played the Opry in 74 when it opened. So he was my 187 00:10:29,660 --> 00:10:34,040 first, like mentor, and, like, my biggest, like inspiration, 188 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,240 like he, you know, he came home from Vietnam, and was like, What 189 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,080 do I have to lose, you know? So he's, like, I lived through 190 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,860 that. So he packed up. And, you know, my aunt and they moved to 191 00:10:44,860 --> 00:10:48,100 Nashville, and they lived here for, I think, the better part of 192 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:52,480 15 years. But, you know, Thanksgiving and Christmas time 193 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,880 was always like, hitting him up for stories about, like, you 194 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,880 know, what was it like when, you know, so that was kind of like 195 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,920 the real early on, and with my dad being a musician and then me 196 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,600 taking a liking to drums. I just, you know, you've heard it 197 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,420 a billion times. You know, we all beat on stuff walking, you 198 00:11:09,420 --> 00:11:12,180 know, moms, pots and pans and things like that. So they just 199 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,620 got me, like, a little JC Penney's catalog, like, as we 200 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:23,480 all started out on. And I just, you know, beat that to death. 201 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,800 And then, yeah, Dad finally, like, bought me an actual set of 202 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,840 drums when I was 11, and then joined a band at 13 with guys I 203 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,380 knew in school. But I was also fortunate. I mean, me and you 204 00:11:36,380 --> 00:11:43,960 were not too far apart, you know, that time of the MTV era 205 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:52,300 was for a kid to be 12 or 13 and having, like, being able to 206 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:57,040 watch headbangers ball or like, or it just in rock videos. And 207 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,440 that was just like, that was like, a just a great not talking 208 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,440 smack about anybody that's, you know, 13 now, but I'm just 209 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,720 saying that was a really golden time to be a kid and music and 210 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:15,540 in rock and in country too. And I should also add, my sister 211 00:12:15,540 --> 00:12:19,380 was, like, she's as far as, like, where I get my taste is, 212 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:23,960 is, you know, we're listening to Leonard Skinner, then it's 213 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,940 Madonna, then it's heart, then it's and then it's George Jones, 214 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,900 and it's like, it's pop, it's country, it's hard rock. And she 215 00:12:33,020 --> 00:12:37,520 has, and still does, has, like, this really eclectic taste, 216 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,560 like, before everyone would say, you know how, like, you ask 217 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:41,800 somebody, Hey, what do you what do you what are you into? What 218 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,900 do you listen to? This? Like, everything. Well, she was saying 219 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:48,280 that in 1985 when people were like, well, I don't like rap, or 220 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:49,960 I don't like country music. So she 221 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:53,560 was, she saw the humanity. And that was like a cross pollinated 222 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:56,320 all the music, which is, that's a, that's a great sister to 223 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,300 have. And, you know, so you're 12 or 13, so you know, MTV is 224 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:04,260 pop in your pubescent So, is it, was it, was it Nina Blackwood, 225 00:13:04,260 --> 00:13:05,280 or was it 226 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:10,140 Martha Quinn? It was, actually, I'm going to go with Martha 227 00:13:10,140 --> 00:13:15,480 Quinn and and I got, you know, and then Adam curry and Ricky 228 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,360 rackman were, like, they were, like, staples of, like, my 229 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,020 weekend diet, you know, like, with the Hard Rock stuff, but 230 00:13:21,020 --> 00:13:23,360 like, yeah, Nina, for sure, Nina sound 231 00:13:24,140 --> 00:13:28,100 like she gargled with razor blades. I did meet Ricky rackman 232 00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:30,980 at the the the bow one night. He was, yeah, 233 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,240 yeah, yeah. He's a super nice guy, yeah, um, so yeah, that's 234 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:40,540 um, that's kind of how that and then um, you know, like we all 235 00:13:40,540 --> 00:13:44,020 did, like school band. I marched. I played in the concert 236 00:13:44,020 --> 00:13:46,300 band in the winter time. We did the halftime shows at the 237 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:51,640 football games and the in the fall. And then joined a joined, 238 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,940 joined a rock band when I was 13, some friends in school, and 239 00:13:54,940 --> 00:13:59,980 it just kind of just blossomed from there I was, I was playing 240 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:05,100 practically every single day from the time I was, you know, 241 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,060 13 until, you know, now, I mean, I never 242 00:14:09,060 --> 00:14:11,520 play you're playing along to records, which is a great 243 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,240 education. But then, because of the academic experience in 244 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,700 school, you could read music, and you understood about playing 245 00:14:17,700 --> 00:14:20,040 crash cymbals and playing the bass drum. And hey, kid, here's 246 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,580 a glockenspiel. And here's a scale on a glockenspiel. And 247 00:14:22,580 --> 00:14:25,100 this is how you play a tambourine, like that. Stuff is 248 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:30,080 all just invaluable. It's in there, man, you know, which is, 249 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,700 you know, I think that's a perfect combination for someone 250 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:38,540 who's going to have a life in rhythm, a life in music, you 251 00:14:38,540 --> 00:14:38,900 know, 252 00:14:39,140 --> 00:14:45,220 absolutely, and it was, I had a really amazing he's still a good 253 00:14:45,220 --> 00:14:51,160 friend of mine. I had an amazing high school band teacher. And 254 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,880 you know, in our formidable years, we all need that. It's so 255 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,880 important because you can go left or right, you can go, I 256 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,260 hate this. You had a bad teacher. Yeah, and it can be 257 00:15:01,260 --> 00:15:02,460 disastrous, right? 258 00:15:02,460 --> 00:15:05,340 So you're still in touch with this person, and they must be 259 00:15:05,820 --> 00:15:07,500 proud if they come to a show ever. 260 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:13,680 Yeah, he he hasn't been out to a show yet. I did get to play. I 261 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,280 was so touched last year. Was it last year or was it two years 262 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,540 ago? I think it was two years ago. He invited me to come and 263 00:15:20,540 --> 00:15:25,400 play his retirement. He retired after 30 years at the school, 264 00:15:25,460 --> 00:15:31,220 and he invited some alumnus so and I got the call to go and, 265 00:15:31,220 --> 00:15:34,940 like, swing a big band, which I hadn't done since I was at MI 266 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:38,000 with Steve Houghton watching me. You know, like, 267 00:15:38,060 --> 00:15:40,420 wait a minute when you were at Steve, when you were at MI, 268 00:15:40,420 --> 00:15:41,920 Steve, how was still there? 269 00:15:41,980 --> 00:15:44,920 Houghton came by. You know, they would do like the guest, you 270 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,460 know, you've guessed it at pit. So, like, Houghton and Gary 271 00:15:48,460 --> 00:15:52,120 Chaffee would come through and, like, and it was, it was a who's 272 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,780 who's it was. It was a lot of fun. But yeah, there I was. And 273 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:58,180 so, yeah, he Mr. Soko, and hit me up for that. Still calling 274 00:15:58,180 --> 00:16:02,220 Mr. Sokol. Matt. Hit me up for that. But he was very, uh, 275 00:16:02,220 --> 00:16:07,980 influential even after I, um, graduated from school. I was 276 00:16:07,980 --> 00:16:12,240 looking at MI and was like, hey, what do you think? And he was 277 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,620 like, I he's like, I'll deep. I'll help you with anything you 278 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:19,860 need to get, like, whatever audition or whatever you need to 279 00:16:19,860 --> 00:16:22,340 get together. I'll give you a hand. Because he's like, I think 280 00:16:22,340 --> 00:16:27,560 it would be a good move. I I've met Greg Bissonette at a clinic 281 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,440 in St Louis one night, and I asked him about it, and he was 282 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,660 like, Yeah. He was like, yeah, it's good. You know. I was like, 283 00:16:32,660 --> 00:16:36,800 one of those people. I'm not so much anymore, but at 1819, I was 284 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,720 like, I had to ask five or six people to make sure it was okay 285 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,840 before I jumped because, you know, I'm moving from a town of 286 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,080 back then, 5000 people, and I'm 287 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,760 thinking Hollywood Boulevard, Hollywood and Highland. I mean 288 00:16:52,180 --> 00:16:55,120 literally, like off of Hollywood on Cherokee, like off of 289 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,860 Hollywood Boulevard, yeah. So it was a very, you know, I know you 290 00:16:59,860 --> 00:17:02,760 can relate, man, you think back to what you did when you were 21 291 00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:09,360 and you're like, I, how did, where did I find the courage in 292 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:14,640 the in the chutzpah? Did, yes, make such a huge move like that? 293 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,000 And, brother, you did it. You did it. And that's and that's 294 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,920 something that that seems to fade in our years, two things 295 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:29,360 fade, our innocence and our like our our insights as children are 296 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:32,060 just so pure in the way we see the universe, and the fact that 297 00:17:32,060 --> 00:17:36,320 we think that we can just do anything, and then our throw 298 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,100 caution to the wind and just bravely dive into the deep end 299 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:43,360 of the pool. It gets harder and harder as these, you know, we 300 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:47,680 start to have spouses and offspring and bills and 301 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,020 mortgages and stuff, and they're like, Well, I'm confined to 302 00:17:50,020 --> 00:17:52,480 this, and I gotta have water cooler talk every Monday, 303 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,820 Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then I'm living for 304 00:17:54,820 --> 00:17:59,620 the weekend, you know, dang gang. So, you know. And then you 305 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:02,640 know what I mean, but it's like, you dude, you did it. So that 306 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,100 was, that had to be, because we're six years apart. So that'd 307 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:05,940 be, like around 1994 308 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,760 that was, that was actually 98 that I made the move. I made the 309 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,600 move, I made the mistake. I would have gone sooner. But, and 310 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,120 I'm not talking like if you're in, if you're in a band, if 311 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:20,780 you're listening and you and you and you believe in your band, 312 00:18:20,780 --> 00:18:24,680 and you think there's promise there, don't, don't quit your 313 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,220 band. But I was in a band with the guys that I was in with from 314 00:18:28,220 --> 00:18:33,980 high school and and I was, I stayed around St Louis for a 315 00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:36,440 couple of years after I got out of high school, and it was my 316 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,780 guitar player's father who made him join the Air Force. He was 317 00:18:40,780 --> 00:18:43,060 like, you, you're gonna, you're gonna go into the military if 318 00:18:43,060 --> 00:18:47,560 you're not gonna go to college. And it was because he quit and 319 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,740 went into the Air Force. And I was flipping through a net like 320 00:18:51,220 --> 00:18:54,700 an issue a Modern Drummer one morning, and found and found MI. 321 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:56,680 And I was like, Hey, Mom, I you know, because I was doing 322 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,660 community college and I hated it, I was gonna go for audio 323 00:19:00,660 --> 00:19:04,560 engineering and stay in Missouri and just study at Webster 324 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,040 University and study audio engineering. But I wasn't really 325 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,760 feeling Community College at all, and I and I saw an ad for 326 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,500 MI and back then, you, you, they mailed you a catalog. They 327 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:20,840 mailed you literature about the Yeah, and my mom, who worked 328 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,520 three jobs and is my biggest hero, she was like, let's go out 329 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,160 and look at the campus, which was a big deal for us, you know. 330 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,860 I mean, like, it was a big deal to book two flights, go out, 331 00:19:30,980 --> 00:19:35,600 walk the campus, went and also checked out, LA, Ma, you know, 332 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:36,860 where, 333 00:19:38,780 --> 00:19:41,120 property and all that stuff, yeah, 334 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:44,140 you know, and looked at that, but I was like, coming from a 335 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:48,040 small town in Pasadena, was like, kind of the same as it 336 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,600 felt the same. And I got to Hollywood, and it was exciting. 337 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,540 It was exciting, and I got to go, and I toured the campus, and 338 00:19:55,540 --> 00:19:58,720 I and I got to go audit some classes, and that's where I met 339 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,700 Ray luzier. And. Yeah, Ray was so sweet to me. He I was just 340 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:07,020 audit, auditing a class, and he got me up in an LPW to like, 341 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:10,140 he's like, you want to play, come on, you know, like, and 342 00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:14,520 that sounds like Ray. He's just so inclusive and kind and the 343 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,360 sweetest 344 00:20:15,420 --> 00:20:18,900 guy ever and, and we're still buds to this day with like, 345 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:24,620 going on, geez, going on almost 30 years so, so I just had a 346 00:20:24,620 --> 00:20:29,720 really good experience. And then, you know, and once I got 347 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:34,640 there, I just immersed myself in it, man. I mean, I got the and, 348 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,080 you know, you know, at North Texas, you know, I got the good 349 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:46,000 fortune my mom afforded me to play drums all day, every day, 350 00:20:46,060 --> 00:20:53,920 for a year and a half before I met the people that are 351 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,540 responsible for who I'm playing with now, and I just had a 352 00:20:58,540 --> 00:21:02,640 chance to go out on tour. And you know, a year and a half of 353 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,420 school, and I was all right, I'm ready to apply what I've 354 00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:08,880 learned, and that's and that's what I did. And I really just 355 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,240 never looked back, and always had, like, enough work and bands 356 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,340 and stuff like that in Los Angeles to kind of 357 00:21:15,660 --> 00:21:16,920 keep me there. And it 358 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,440 always okay. So what was what was that? What was that, Steve, 359 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,680 what was that? What was that first opportunity that took you. 360 00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:27,860 So I originally was working with Dave Weiner from the Steve vi 361 00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:30,920 band. He was him and I went to school at the same time, and I 362 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,700 helped him. We got his demo together, which got him the VI 363 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,840 gig, and he played with VI. He only recently stopped playing 364 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,740 with Steve, I think, a couple years ago. So he had that gig 365 00:21:41,740 --> 00:21:43,000 for decades, and 366 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,760 he's seen a lot of drummers come and go from that the laborious 367 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,160 and the Virgil's and the all the summers that go through that, 368 00:21:51,460 --> 00:21:54,400 yeah, yeah. Jeremy Colson has had it for a very long time. I 369 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:55,660 believe Colson 370 00:21:55,660 --> 00:21:58,780 has been there for a really long time. It was man Genie before 371 00:21:58,780 --> 00:22:03,240 Colson, and then, like you said, Virgil did a stent, 372 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,660 and, you know, Chris fray, our buddy Chris Frazier, 373 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,700 but so Dave and I were, we're still very close friends, but 374 00:22:12,660 --> 00:22:16,920 I'm I'm walking dude, true story, I'm walking to school. 375 00:22:17,340 --> 00:22:21,860 I'm on Hollywood Boulevard, and this crazy guy with dreadlocks 376 00:22:21,860 --> 00:22:25,880 runs up to me, and I've got a Pantera shirt on and, like a 377 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,940 Zildjian baseball cap. And he was like, you like metal and you 378 00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:33,380 play drums. And he gives me a tape. This is like, 1999 he 379 00:22:33,380 --> 00:22:36,680 gives me a cassette tape. He was like, You should audition for my 380 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,840 band. I'm looking for a drummer. And I'm like, Cool. And I went 381 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,960 and I listened to the music, and I thought it was, I thought it 382 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,240 was decent. It was like, punk meets metal. It was like, this 383 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:53,980 kind of mashup of the two. It wasn't like, this was gonna get 384 00:22:53,980 --> 00:22:57,820 played on the radio. It was just, I kept the tape and I 385 00:22:57,820 --> 00:23:01,740 thought, you know, I was like, I kind of hold it home. I didn't 386 00:23:01,740 --> 00:23:04,980 really, I didn't call him back. And then, like, a month later, I 387 00:23:04,980 --> 00:23:12,660 see flyers up at school, and it's drummer needed van for tour 388 00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:16,560 us, tour vans warp dates. And I'm like, It's the it's the same 389 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:23,120 guy. It's the same guy with the tape. So I Well, I'm like, 390 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:26,660 Christ. I'm like, if they're playing war more, I want to 391 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,260 celebrated its 30th anniversary. Oh man, jeez, 392 00:23:31,340 --> 00:23:37,820 oh man, that's that makes me feel old. They so then I was 393 00:23:37,820 --> 00:23:42,040 essentially, it sounds bad, but I was incentivized. I was like, 394 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:47,380 okay, and I went in and I learned the stuff and I and just 395 00:23:47,380 --> 00:23:51,100 went ahead and, you know, auditioned, got the gig. We went 396 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:55,360 on. That's that strike that that started my relationship with Dh 397 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:02,580 pelegro, and I've worked with DH for man, like, five years in his 398 00:24:02,580 --> 00:24:06,540 band, he had a trio called peligro that he did when he 399 00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:08,220 wasn't playing with Dead Kennedys 400 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,660 that rest his soul man. He died in 2022 401 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,020 20 October of 22 so we 402 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:23,780 they had been in in, involved in a lawsuit for years with their 403 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,640 with their former singer for fraud. He had embezzled, you 404 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,840 know, quite some, some dirty dealings. Well, they they want 405 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,160 that. So this is like 2001 the the Dead Kennedys. They won 406 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,160 their lawsuit, and they went back at they won the rights to 407 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,960 the name, and they went out on the road. And I was still 408 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,500 playing when dH is banned, but he was like, hey, I need a tech. 409 00:24:47,860 --> 00:24:52,420 So do you want to come out on the road with me? So that's what 410 00:24:52,420 --> 00:24:56,020 I did. And that was my first taste of, like on the other side 411 00:24:56,020 --> 00:25:01,320 of things. And it was, it was. Interesting. We were friends, so 412 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,540 it was cool. It wasn't it, it wasn't, you know, anything too 413 00:25:06,540 --> 00:25:11,040 stressful, but he would disappear at sound check. He 414 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,340 would go get a cup of coffee, or he'd just go walk around, and 415 00:25:14,340 --> 00:25:17,040 I'd set up his drums, and the guys would pee like, hey, we 416 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,660 use, we need to run a couple tunes. You know, this is back in 417 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:23,300 the floor wedges days. They're still on wedges, by the way, but 418 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:27,260 like, we need to, like, get sounds. So I just started doing 419 00:25:27,260 --> 00:25:31,580 the sound. I set the drums, tune them, do the sound checks, I did 420 00:25:31,580 --> 00:25:36,860 everything but play the gig. And they just kind of remembered 421 00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:39,500 that. And their tour manager at the time, who's still a good 422 00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:48,700 friend of mine, he he remembered me when this is like, some years 423 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:53,680 later, they couldn't find DH. He, he had gone kind of off the 424 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:59,200 grid. Turns out he needed some personal time, but they had 425 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,140 shows booked, and I'm in Europe, and the tour manager calls me on 426 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,540 and he's like, when are you back? And I'm like, I'm back, 427 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,460 like, tomorrow. And he was like, can you learn the DK set in, 428 00:26:11,460 --> 00:26:14,280 like, five days. And I'm like, Well, I'm pretty familiar with 429 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,660 it, and I'm on tour, so my chops are already together, you know? 430 00:26:19,140 --> 00:26:22,100 And I come home and in five days, I would shed their whole 431 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,740 their whole cat, their their set. And in less than a week, 432 00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:32,420 we're playing House of Blues. Anaheim sold out. So this was, 433 00:26:32,420 --> 00:26:37,640 this was, uh, in 22 this was in oh five. Oh, my God. So this is 434 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,580 an oh five. So 20 years ago, 20 years ago. I've been involved in 435 00:26:42,580 --> 00:26:48,640 that camp for 25 if you include my my years as a tech, it's 25 436 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,220 years. So, um, 437 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,580 amazing, but it's an amazing relationship. And you, you won 438 00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:58,540 the trust and the hearts and the minds of the the powers that be, 439 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,380 and you were always there for your friend, and you played 440 00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:05,040 drums for him when he had a solo thing. You set up and tuned his 441 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,560 drums, you filled in for and then, then, then, then you're 442 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,420 doing the thing with the guy, yeah, 443 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,320 yeah. And I thought it was going to be like, like, essentially, 444 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,840 like, one off, like, like, because they couldn't find it, 445 00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:19,140 you know, and they were going to be in big trouble if they didn't 446 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,680 do these shows, legal problems. And it went well enough that 447 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,300 they booked another run with me, you know, five. So we did 448 00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:34,160 another run in Florida, and that was a blast. And then it was, 449 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,760 like, Rich. It was weird. It was like, it was, I mean, it's, it 450 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:44,380 was crickets for like, a decade. And in that 10 years, I had to 451 00:27:44,380 --> 00:27:47,860 do some other things. I got involved in, like cover bands, 452 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,240 top 40 cover bands. I always my dream when I moved to LA was 453 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,640 like, because I, you know, I love Van Halen, I love Motley 454 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,400 Crue, I love guns and roses. I mean, that was the stuff that I 455 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,400 grew up listening to, and I always wanted to be in a band, 456 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,500 you know, like, I'm gonna get in a band. We're gonna make 457 00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:05,580 records. We're in tour the world, we're gonna conquer, 458 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,840 right? And I thought that that's what I would would was my 459 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,460 destiny. That's what I wanted. But um, through school, um 460 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,660 through going through MI and learning styles and learning 461 00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:21,800 learning how to learn, like, learning how to actually learn 462 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,840 material chart, you know, the things that the invaluable 463 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,700 things that we learn as side guys. I learned how to do that 464 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:37,640 and I needed work. So I was starting to work in like top 40 465 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,500 circuit and playing in original bands. But what I had learned is 466 00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:46,600 that I can, I'm pretty good at, like, learning other people's 467 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,300 music, like a lot, you know, like, I can listen to a song a 468 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:53,140 few times. I can make a chart, and I can usually display it 469 00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:58,300 down on a good day, on a good day. So that was a skill set 470 00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:04,860 that I had no idea, that I possessed when I got to LA but 471 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:11,040 that that became a very, very useful tool, when, when I 472 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,720 learned the DK set, and then, you know, years later, I got 473 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:24,260 referred To back when God rest his soul. Barry squire. Barry, 474 00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:30,560 his list. I had been hearing about his I heard his name from 475 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,840 the time I got to LA man. They were like, 476 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,220 tell our listeners the 477 00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:39,020 the the iconicness of that gentleman, and really kind of 478 00:29:39,020 --> 00:29:39,320 what he 479 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,980 did. I Okay, I'll try, because he was a very, very super 480 00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:48,280 important figure, not just in LA but in just in our music 481 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:55,060 industry in general. So Barry was a, was a drummer originally. 482 00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:59,200 He's a dream. Yeah, he was a drummer. And he and I'm gonna. 483 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,600 Give like a very kind of abbreviated definition of what 484 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:10,440 he did. He was the liaison between bands and record 485 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:16,320 companies and management companies and hired musicians. 486 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:22,460 He was the guy that put you need a drummer record company, 487 00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:26,120 management company calls Barry like, we need a drummer for this 488 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,740 band. And boom. You know, he was, he was the synergy, he was 489 00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:34,220 the glue. He was the guy that made, made things happen again. 490 00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:37,940 That's he did a lot, lot more than that. And we just lost him 491 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,380 late last year, late last year, but, but that's a very like I 492 00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:45,520 said. That's a very abbreviated definition of what he did. He 493 00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:52,900 his list was a very coveted in the early 2000s it was a very 494 00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:58,360 coveted thing to get on his list, and it was hard to do 495 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,860 like, I couldn't put I couldn't recommend you rich, right? 496 00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:05,820 Because we're drummers, so, but if I played bass, I could, so 497 00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:08,700 you had to come referred from someone that did not play your 498 00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:12,180 instrument, because we're all buddies in the drum circle, 499 00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:17,040 right? But, and I got recommended, and I and I went 500 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,460 out and I auditioned, my first audition, and I got the gig, 501 00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:26,660 which was great, because I knew I was auditioning for him and 502 00:31:26,660 --> 00:31:34,820 the band. So I got, I got the gig. Couldn't take the gig due 503 00:31:34,820 --> 00:31:39,320 to some we just have just bottom line it was, became. It came 504 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,660 down to, like, money and my schedule and so on and so forth. 505 00:31:43,660 --> 00:31:46,600 So it didn't work out, but it was great that I got the gig, 506 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:52,660 because I for years after that, he called me for a ton of stuff, 507 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:59,260 and I'd say half of it, I got nice, or at least got on the 508 00:31:59,260 --> 00:32:06,540 short list, but that's how I got the call for this Russian pop 509 00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:07,920 group called 510 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,860 tattoo, who T, A, T u, 511 00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:16,620 correct. And they were really, really. Their heyday was like 99 512 00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:23,480 2000 2001 like that era they were. They did, they did the 513 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,780 Tonight Show, they did Conan, they, I don't think they ever 514 00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:30,860 did SNL, but they, they were the first record did very, very, 515 00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:33,080 very well. I think it sold something like seven or 8 516 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,340 million copies worldwide. 517 00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:39,440 It was very like, quasi evanescent, you know, gigantic 518 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:45,460 loops, gigantic guitars, big synths, you know, big Gosh. And 519 00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:48,040 I saw some video out there. You're like, it was a global 520 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,520 tour. Was it not? Yes, it was. It was 20 countries. So you 521 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,560 went, you're going to Russia, you're going to the Eastern 522 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,640 Bloc, you're going to 523 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,180 Japan, Dubai, like 524 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,380 we played in Egypt, nice. I mean, we went, we went, like, 525 00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:10,020 when I say we went everywhere. We played in Armenia, 526 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,300 you're like, you're like, set up in front of the Sphinx. And 527 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:14,820 you're like, hey, it's not as big as, 528 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,960 I mean, when we think about, I know you can relate. When you're 529 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,400 in your bedroom and you're like, you're, you're like, 1516, years 530 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,160 old, and you're like, I want to be a professional drummer. I 531 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,460 want to, like, tour and like, you know, and then, like, what 532 00:33:28,460 --> 00:33:32,720 actually, like, I never, I know you you can relate. I never, 533 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,460 ever envisioned, ever playing in front of, you know, like half of 534 00:33:37,460 --> 00:33:41,320 a million people in Russia. Like, 535 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:44,860 I can't say that, buddy. That's, that's a big crowd, bro, 536 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:52,600 dude. I mean, just just the, you know, just the things that come 537 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,220 about that are, like, Man, I had no idea that I would be here or 538 00:33:57,220 --> 00:34:01,020 do this or do that, or wind up playing with, you know, Dead 539 00:34:01,020 --> 00:34:05,040 Kennedys and, like, just, you know, like, whatever it's, it's 540 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,840 just, it's, it's, it's, um, 541 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,200 you stick around long enough these and you're a good person, 542 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,320 and you like, you know, you got a firm handshake, you know, you 543 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,620 got a great smile. You're a likable person. You know what 544 00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:20,900 you're doing. You know, you show up on time. You're check, you 545 00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:24,320 check all the boxes, buddy. Of course somebody's going to want 546 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:24,860 to ride a bus 547 00:34:25,220 --> 00:34:27,800 with you. Wow. I appreciate that, brother, I do. I do. I 548 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:34,100 know I it's but, but the bit Just, just to kind of like, 549 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,940 close it up with with them. They, they were like, that was 550 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:42,880 the tattoo thing through Barry and and I'm going up, I'm in 551 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,600 that audition at sir there in Hollywood, and I'm up against 552 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:52,000 some, some guys I knew that were like, like, Oh man, that I know 553 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,620 him, and I'm like, Mohawk earrings. I just got back from 554 00:34:56,620 --> 00:35:00,720 Europe with my I was in a death metal band at. This time, and I 555 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:05,040 just got home, and I'm like, I'm not, I'm not the right fit for 556 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,800 this. I'm like, I'm a total punk rock, like hardcore guy. I 557 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,400 looked, I looked the part back then, and uh, lo and behold, 558 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,940 that's what they wanted. They didn't want a clean cut pop 559 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,340 drummer looking dude. They they wanted an edge. They wanted 560 00:35:22,340 --> 00:35:26,660 somebody with an edge. So there I was at 29 with my edge. Get 561 00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:30,140 the gig and and I'll tell you what that was. The only time 562 00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:35,600 maybe you maybe did this too. I maybe with Haldane, but like, I 563 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,660 called and woke my mom. I was at a I was at a party for my, ex 564 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:44,500 girlfriend's birthday party. We were having a dinner, and I got 565 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:47,140 the call that I got the gig at like 11 o'clock at night in 566 00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:50,140 Cali, which is one o'clock in the morning in St Louis. And I 567 00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:54,340 called my mom and woke her up and told her I got the gig that 568 00:35:54,340 --> 00:36:01,200 for me driving my Bronco with the U haul trailer, 1800 miles 569 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,280 from Pacific 570 00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:05,700 to Holly, the Pacific Ocean. Yeah, 571 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:13,800 that, I mean, that validated. You know, when my first arena 572 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:20,360 over in I think it was like in Holland, Estonia, and we played 573 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,020 in a we played in an arena, and I hit and, like, the in, the 574 00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:27,920 Pyros going off, and I'm like, I'm dude. I'm like, That's it. 575 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,780 I'm like, this the Bronco, the U haul trailer, the studio 576 00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:35,660 apartment full of roaches on Hollywood Boulevard. I mean, 577 00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:39,560 let's, like, just everything was just validated. And I think that 578 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,240 that's so that, and paying off my my student loans to MI 579 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,600 through playing the drums. I mean, these are just things that 580 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:54,100 are just cannot put $1 sign on the validation that you get, the 581 00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:59,320 feeling you get from like I had, I set a goal, I had a dream, and 582 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,420 it's not only been met, it's been exceeded. And you know, and 583 00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:05,160 it's just you exceeded 584 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,660 your own expectations by 100 by being forward thinking and by 585 00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:14,220 being a person that takes action and 586 00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:18,000 it that's a great thing, man, you did it. 587 00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:25,520 I did it, and I felt like when I left la after 21 years, I felt 588 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,560 like I had I think it's important. It's not the most 589 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,980 important thing, but I think it's important to the to feel 590 00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:41,260 like I set out what I intended to accomplish, and and I, and I 591 00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:47,200 didn't feel like I left anything. I scratched all the 592 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,520 itches that I intended to when I when I left, I had just kind of 593 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,900 gotten to a point to where I needed a change. I mean, you and 594 00:37:55,900 --> 00:38:00,480 me, when we met, that was the heyday of, like, the ultimate 595 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,240 jam nights. And like the sound 596 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:07,740 sound check live with Ferlazzo at the Lucky Strike. We we lived 597 00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:10,080 at the Lucky Strike. And the funny thing is, is that God 598 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,620 bless and it was very Hollywood in the sense that they call it a 599 00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:16,500 jam night, but it is so structured and so organized for 600 00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:19,140 you listeners out there, there's there's spreadsheets and there's 601 00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:22,280 emails, and there's sign ins and there's wristbands, and it's 602 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,040 like, this is, I mean, this is Hollywood. There's like, the guy 603 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,100 with the earpiece at the door, and he's like, 300 pounds, and 604 00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:30,320 it's all muscle, and it's like, you ain't getting in if you're 605 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,020 not on the list. And you get in there, you wait around all 606 00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:38,300 night, because at 1026 I'm supposed to play a sound garden 607 00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:42,940 song that goes between 445464, and seven, four and and, and I'm 608 00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:46,000 gonna, I'm gonna wait to do it, because maybe some guy with a 609 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,960 cigar will go, Hey, kid, you sound great. Come on. I got a 610 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,380 studio down. Yeah, we just do these things. But it is not a 611 00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:57,340 jam. A jam in middle America is like, Hey, do you know? Do you 612 00:38:57,340 --> 00:39:00,960 know tush or do you know what I mean? Do you know taking care of 613 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,640 business. Do you know All right? Now this is like, Okay, members 614 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,520 of Alice Cooper's band, members of rat, members of y and t, 615 00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:11,580 members of Jason Aldean, members of the Dead Kennedys, and 616 00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:14,280 there's everything. Was like a super group. And it was fun, 617 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:14,820 man. 618 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:21,560 It was a blast. It's, it was, it was such an awesome time to be 619 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,820 there and be a part of that. I remember our good friend Matt 620 00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:30,800 Starr. He one night I was trying, you talk about, like, I 621 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,780 started my Barry a minute ago. You talk about, like, hard to 622 00:39:36,140 --> 00:39:40,480 break in. It was hard to even be considered to be invited to play 623 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:46,600 that, to play a jam, to play a jam, to your point, was a, I 624 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,920 don't mean to call it an unpaid gig, but you you learn the 625 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,200 material like you were gonna go 626 00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,020 play, like it was gonna be a TV show, like it was gonna be 627 00:39:56,020 --> 00:39:58,600 filmed, and that's how you have to live your life in Hollywood, 628 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,880 because some. Buddy, a tastemaker or 20 is going to be 629 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,720 in that audience? Yeah, 630 00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:09,300 and I was, I was one of the lucky few. I was one of the 631 00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:15,180 lucky few that actually got a gig from going to those I was, I 632 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:19,440 was in a band called Heaven and Earth, with the amazing Joe 633 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:25,040 Retta on vocals and and the incredible Lynn Sorensen from 634 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,560 Bad Company, and my good friend Mike Mangan, who's now playing 635 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,940 with the cult, wow. So yeah, it's 636 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,900 and of course, Stewart. I love Stewart. I gotta mention 637 00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:39,200 Stewart. 638 00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:43,900 Stewart. Stewart Smith, Stewart Smith, the founder of the 639 00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:47,620 feast, dude, dude, dude, because you know what like look at, like 640 00:40:47,620 --> 00:40:51,700 so superlazzo and and Glenn Sobel had the sound check thing, 641 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:54,280 which was at the home base that the Lucky Strike. Then he had 642 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,340 Eric Hamill holding it down at the Viper. And then you had Matt 643 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,120 holding it down at the the the whiskey, yeah. And then there 644 00:41:01,180 --> 00:41:03,960 was, like, there was several nights a week, and, and, you 645 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,300 know, you never you know you might be playing kiss. You might 646 00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:09,600 be playing, you know, I'm playing a cranberry song with 647 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,160 the bass player from quiet riot, Chuck Wright, right? Chuck 648 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,240 Wright, and you just never know. And it was just always so fun. 649 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,740 It's like, a lot of, hurry up and wait. But we did it, you 650 00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:25,700 know, we did it. It was, it was, it was a subculture. It was like 651 00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:28,760 something that you do in the current state of things. And 652 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,160 thank God, because, you know, you were talking about all those 653 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,920 cover bands you were in. It's like cover bands, man, you 654 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,380 probably had to. You were working in probably Orange 655 00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:37,520 County all the time, 656 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,080 right? It was either Orange County or the valley, yeah, 657 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,740 because the, as we both know, there is no, there's no cover 658 00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:48,820 bands in Hollywood. I mean, like I lived at the beach, which we 659 00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:49,840 can talk about, that 660 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,680 I lived at the beach. I know what you're gonna say about the 661 00:41:53,680 --> 00:42:00,900 beach. It is. It is a 24 hour, eight days a week 662 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,440 party. Oh yeah, dude, it's non stop. 663 00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:07,560 And then where, when I crashed with you, when I was going 664 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,120 through my couch, crashing, yes, or crashing phase in Los 665 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:17,580 Angeles. Um, what was that little area you stated, over by 666 00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:18,300 the airport. 667 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,460 I lived in a city called El Segundo. 668 00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:23,960 El Segundo. Who 669 00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:27,620 could forget? Man, yeah, you 670 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:34,340 I remember, and you were, you were in town, and I'm like, 671 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,440 dude, I'll just leave a key under the mat. 672 00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:39,620 I'm like, what you're saying? You were like, it 673 00:42:39,620 --> 00:42:42,520 was such a safe is, I think it still is. It's such a, such a 674 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,660 safe neighborhood. It's a great place to live. It was, but you, 675 00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:51,460 yeah, you were keeping like, you're like, Dude, I I literally 676 00:42:51,820 --> 00:42:55,720 get up at 6am and I'll be home at three in the morning. And I'm 677 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:57,640 like, that's fine, man. Just like, I only, 678 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,600 I need, I need a place to lay my head for three hours without 679 00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:05,640 actually suffering the sleeping in the rental car for three 680 00:43:05,820 --> 00:43:11,160 Yeah, no, I don't think, I don't think I even saw you the whole 681 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,380 race, dude, best, best guest ever. I never even saw you 682 00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:21,140 because I would either be asleep when you would get in and then 683 00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:26,360 you would be gone before I would get up. But yeah, great place to 684 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:33,500 live, great apartment. I still miss it, but yeah, when Star 685 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,720 asked me to sit in, I remember just going home and, like, I 686 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,920 woke my ex up, and I'm like, I have to play the gym, you know? 687 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,180 It was like, such a, you know. And from that, it just then I 688 00:43:46,180 --> 00:43:49,000 just got the call, you know. And I just kept getting the call, 689 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,960 Hey, are you available? Do you want to play this, you know, 690 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,140 this Ozzy song, or this, you know, this Van Halen song, 691 00:43:56,140 --> 00:44:02,220 which, but, yeah, the the the cover band stuff, that's what 692 00:44:02,220 --> 00:44:05,580 that I mean, that's what we were doing. Like, I say an unpaid 693 00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:08,940 gig, but it's like, you, you rehearse the material like you 694 00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:13,140 were gonna be on TV. You had to be on time. You had and then you 695 00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:15,780 couldn't mess up. You're playing with guys like you said. You 696 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:18,900 could be on stage with, who knows. Like, who who knows? 697 00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:23,120 That's where I met Mark McKay, and for lazos jam, I met so many 698 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,600 good friends, and it was just it was so cool that, like, I know 699 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:29,540 people that were there already know this, but those who don't 700 00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:33,860 like any night of the week, like Monday night you were at the 701 00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:37,520 Viper Room, you know, Tuesday night you're at the whiskey. 702 00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:42,220 Wednesday night, you're at Lucky Strike. Thursday night, you're 703 00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:46,000 at Sayers club. And it was, like, every week for the rock 704 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,080 circle. La, so big that I did start to try to go out and hit 705 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,960 some of, like, the R, B nights. 706 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,660 There's like, a hit, like, a Hip, hip hop, gospel chops kind 707 00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:58,420 of thing. And then there's, like, there's the jam night at 708 00:44:58,420 --> 00:45:02,040 the baked potato. And then. You know, there is still some stuff 709 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,520 happening. I mean, it's always going to, hopefully it's, you 710 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,820 know, an entertainment Mecca, you know, like you're gonna have 711 00:45:08,820 --> 00:45:11,880 Marvel movies, you're gonna it's gonna drip down, there's gonna 712 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,180 be music, there's gonna be musicians all that. But, yeah, 713 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,460 so mark McKay, you know, I mean, you know, you're playing with 714 00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:19,680 him and so, but, but let's really talk about this dead 715 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,700 Kennedy thing, because that is a relationship that goes way back, 716 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:28,640 and it's so funny. It's like, I might have like, a punk attitude 717 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,580 or approach at times, but I never was like a punker. Like, I 718 00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:36,080 had a mohawk, I had a faux hawk. It was purple, it was red. But 719 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,360 like, I was never, like, you know, and then I realized, oh my 720 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,200 god, there's this guy, like Josh freeze, like he plays on sting 721 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,560 records, and he's, like, a huge session drummer, but he has this 722 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,460 pump. Well, let me check this like, so there's like, like, but 723 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,820 the cool thing about the me kind of like binging Dead Kennedys, 724 00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:55,000 is there was some of that double time, but it was never like, 725 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,200 super extreme temples, 726 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,440 like, just gotten, did you gotten? Did you got? Did you 727 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,060 got? Did you got to 728 00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:06,600 like, maybe that's the top I was like, wow, I can manage that. 729 00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:11,940 But it's got to feel different to it's just like pure energy, 730 00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:15,120 pure aggression. Because, you know, you living in Nashville 731 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,180 for four years, playing with Mark and other guys, and I don't 732 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,420 know if you've played on a lower Broadway, we can talk about 733 00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:22,760 that, and your thoughts on all that. But, you know, most things 734 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,920 in Nashville there's like a this, I call it the Nashville 735 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,920 plot. There's like a plot where it's like, you're between like 736 00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:33,200 69 BPM and 89 bpm. You're in there, so you're playing real 737 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:42,280 chunky, even hats a very bottom as kind of Dune or, a, a, you 738 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,660 know, a, a, heartbreakers kind of do bad boom, right, right 739 00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:50,680 down the middle, like jumping tricep guitar, so it's, it's a, 740 00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:54,460 it's a different like both styles need energy, focus, time, 741 00:46:54,460 --> 00:46:57,880 groove, feel absolutely it's got to feel good to go out with a 742 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,280 punk crowd and like haka loogie and slam slam a Red Bull, and 743 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,800 twirl your stick and break a cymbal. And it's got to be, 744 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,560 it's, it's like war. It really 745 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:12,240 is. And, and I'll, I'll just say this, I'll be the first to admit 746 00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:19,920 it. And, and I was the least likely, and still am the least 747 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:25,280 likely punk rock drummer ever. I mean, I knew who they were, but 748 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,280 I did not grow up playing this stuff. I didn't really even grow 749 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,040 up listening to it. I like the Ramones. I mean, I like a lot of 750 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:37,280 it, but the fact that I wound up where I'm at is really not like, 751 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,340 Oh man, you know, like I would have I was listening to, like I 752 00:47:42,340 --> 00:47:45,280 said earlier, like I was listening to, like, a lot of 753 00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:49,540 stepple Torah and splaire and Pantera. And before that, I was, 754 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,220 you know, still am, was into the crew and Van Halen and Def 755 00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:59,620 Leppard. I mean, like, and then, like, I just learned how to play 756 00:47:59,620 --> 00:48:03,540 this music, and I, and I fell in love with it. And how are 757 00:48:03,540 --> 00:48:06,540 the fans? They've got to be, because that's sweet. That isn't 758 00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:10,440 that is an older punk band in the sense that if somebody was 759 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,020 in their teens and they were following the Dead Kennedys, and 760 00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:17,700 all these multi decades go by, and now they're grandparents, 761 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,160 yeah, but they're showing up. And they got a couple, they got 762 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,840 a little touch of Hot Topic On right? And they're, like, trying 763 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,240 to, they're keeping it alive, you know, 764 00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:33,620 you know, rich, I'm very, very blessed in that, you know, I 765 00:48:33,860 --> 00:48:39,800 took over the helm for, you know, like, they're big shoes, 766 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,920 you know, like we don't have DH anymore, 767 00:48:41,980 --> 00:48:46,420 no excuse my ignorance. Was DH the second drummer. 768 00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:50,680 He was a guy named Ted was the first drummer they had. But DH 769 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:56,680 was there the longest, you know. He was there from 81 to 86 and 770 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:02,340 then he was with them from when they won their lawsuit. No one 771 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:08,040 up until his passing in 22 I mean, he he literally played a 772 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:16,500 show with them in Europe, and came home, and I think he passed 773 00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:20,160 away just like, maybe a few weeks later, after they, like, 774 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:25,220 got home from the road. But speaking specifically about the 775 00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:31,040 Yeah, speaking specifically about the fans I I've been so 776 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:38,900 lucky to be like embraced and and thanked and it i Each night, 777 00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:45,580 I say something about DH, we pay, we pay homage to him every 778 00:49:45,580 --> 00:49:47,980 night at every show. I 779 00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:51,580 was gonna say, you know, like you know, drummers usually have 780 00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:55,120 the gift of gab, and we're usually very outgoing people. So 781 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,720 you have been blessed with this opportunity every night to. To, 782 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:07,320 to get a microphone and to talk about the legacy, and you're 783 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,560 sitting in that seat, and you're very humble about it. I mean, 784 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,520 you're very you're more than capable to beyond capable to to 785 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,900 move the ship forward. But you know, that's got to be a cool 786 00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:21,980 thing, man, to talk every night. It 787 00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:27,740 is, it's cool. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's, it's a 788 00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:34,400 when you're talking about bands, iconic bands, specifically in 789 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:42,880 drummers and coming in behind someone who's so respected 790 00:50:43,420 --> 00:50:48,460 that's a fairly small club, not a lot of guys in that club, 791 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,200 yeah, um, 792 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,760 and, yeah. I mean, it's, 793 00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:02,820 it's an honor, and it can't really ever be taken for granted 794 00:51:02,820 --> 00:51:06,660 or forgotten while you're why you're there and who made that 795 00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:10,080 opportunity possible for you. And I think it's just, uh, I 796 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:15,360 appreciate the fact that the guys, um, give me the 797 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,480 opportunity. It's maybe 45 seconds, but that's 45 seconds 798 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,860 that I get to talk about DH, and 799 00:51:23,420 --> 00:51:24,140 everybody's like, 800 00:51:24,860 --> 00:51:28,100 yeah, man. People absolutely love it. You know what I mean, 801 00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:32,840 even I just got home from Spain last week, Portugal and 802 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,680 Lisbon, I saw I was I was on. I was catching up. You know what's 803 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,380 the quickest way to catch up on somebody's entire life? Go to 804 00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:42,940 their Instagram, pretty much. So, yeah, you know what the 805 00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:48,820 funny. I toured lit. I toured Lisbon in 1994 with the North 806 00:51:48,820 --> 00:51:52,600 Texas State one o'clock lab band. Wow, so, but I was too 807 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,300 young to really appreciate it, and too nervous, because I was 808 00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:58,540 like, oh my god, tomorrow we are doing a live recording on the 809 00:51:58,540 --> 00:52:04,560 history of big band music from 1920 to 1994 so if I went back, 810 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,760 I would totally enjoy it. So tell me, how was it? How was it 811 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:09,180 you 812 00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:12,780 should go back? Because you, I know you've heard like there's a 813 00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:19,080 lot of people moving from the United States to Lisbon, wow. I 814 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,120 mean, it's got a lot of Americans that are expats, or 815 00:52:23,420 --> 00:52:27,620 they're, they're in supply over there. The weather is 816 00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:33,080 essentially Santa Monica. Oh, my God. I mean, I got there, and 817 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:38,060 I'm like, it's, it's like, you need a jacket at night, and it's 818 00:52:38,060 --> 00:52:42,760 perfect in my language. It's like, I'm like, oh, that, Oh, 819 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:47,860 that's why. And it's not, you know, it's a beautiful city. I 820 00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:51,940 mean, it's, it's, I was fortunate. The tour was great, 821 00:52:52,000 --> 00:53:02,280 nine shows, 20 days, lots of time to go explore Granada and 822 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,840 like Majorca. We flew into Majorca and had a few days 823 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,260 there, and the shows were killer, and going places like 824 00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:17,880 Porto and Portugal and I, we talked about Lisbon, and just, 825 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,820 it was just Dude, it was like, and we had a great crew, Rich. I 826 00:53:22,820 --> 00:53:25,700 didn't have to, like, I had a drummer as a tech. 827 00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:30,440 And what's up doesn't always happen. Doesn't 828 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,440 always happen, but Paulo was the best. He must have taken a 829 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,680 picture the first night of the first gig, because every night 830 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,920 I'd come in, my stuff was, like, exactly, I didn't have to move. 831 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,480 Yeah, it's just, it's just like, little things like that that are 832 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:48,100 just like, I don't know, I just that is amazing, so, but it was 833 00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:54,520 a man, it was a blast, and and I was ready to come home three 834 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,820 weeks is the long run, as you know. But it was, it was nice to 835 00:53:57,820 --> 00:54:02,520 come home, but it was also like, Geez, that was, like, that was 836 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,760 just, like, an incredible, incredible tour, man. It was so 837 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:06,300 much fun. 838 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,420 Do you think that these guys are ever going to record some new 839 00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:12,480 music? Or they're not in that mode in their life? I think that 840 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,320 you can't completely take it off the table. They do talk about 841 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:21,200 it, which, you know, I'd be like, let's go. Let's, let's 842 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,040 record some new music, you know. Or even if they just, like, redo 843 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,060 files, do files, you know, just send files, send files, read, 844 00:54:29,060 --> 00:54:34,700 you know. Or even just like, there's one song we do every 845 00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:38,240 night, and I'm like, That is such a great song. Why wasn't 846 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:41,380 that a single? And, well, it almost was. And I'm like, Well, 847 00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:43,420 put it out like, 848 00:54:43,780 --> 00:54:48,700 were the Dead Kennedys getting airplay? I mean, we're talking 849 00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:52,960 like college radio, triple A radio. They weren't on modern 850 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,100 rock radio, 851 00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:58,360 right? The the the cool, one of the coolest things about them is 852 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,540 that their success. Is not, it's not tied or tethered to the 853 00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:09,060 radio or right TV. They just, they just, they get a touring, 854 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:14,340 relentless touring, and like Buzz and street like they just, 855 00:55:14,340 --> 00:55:21,200 they are everything they built is from just really good songs 856 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:27,200 with clever lyrics and like, it's, like, it's, it used to be 857 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,940 that easy, right? It used to be that easy, and now it's slightly 858 00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:33,500 a little bit more complicated. 859 00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:36,020 It is so complicated, is like, are we are, you know, we were 860 00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:40,280 relying on traditional radio or relying on satellite radio? Are 861 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,400 we doing playlists? Are we doing relentless touring? Are we doing 862 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,160 American Idol or the voice? Are we doing all everything 863 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,300 combined? And it's like, God, good luck. But I will tell you, 864 00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:57,280 you know, as you know, guys like us, you know, we have our craft. 865 00:55:57,580 --> 00:56:00,540 Yeah, we have a big smile on our face, and someone's always going 866 00:56:00,540 --> 00:56:01,440 to need a great drummer. 867 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,520 So there you go. Well, and so far, that's, yeah, that served 868 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,660 us well. Man, yeah, it's, it's, it's an interesting life choice. 869 00:56:09,660 --> 00:56:13,860 It's not one that you Well, I don't know, man, and you're 870 00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:18,000 probably the same way. I just, I just, there wasn't anything I 871 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:23,240 wanted to do. I think you have to be that. I wouldn't say 872 00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:27,140 crazy, but maybe a little you just focus. I don't want to do 873 00:56:27,140 --> 00:56:30,620 anything. I don't, I don't have any interest in doing anything 874 00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:32,180 else. But this so 875 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:37,340 there has to be a focus. Yeah, that is not only bordering on. 876 00:56:37,340 --> 00:56:43,780 That is probably Bullseye in the middle of obsession, yeah, yes, 877 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:51,340 because I remember studying Vinnie abassy and do videos. And 878 00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:55,480 now I and then buying his book rock steady, and, you know, and 879 00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:57,820 you're in the trenches, and you're copying and you're 880 00:56:57,820 --> 00:57:01,140 modeling. And then I look back at those do videos nowadays, and 881 00:57:01,140 --> 00:57:06,180 I'm like, Wow, this was pretty low budget, right, but, but it 882 00:57:06,180 --> 00:57:11,220 stands the rainbow in the dark and last in line and all these 883 00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:14,100 amazing songs that were recorded, it sounds shitty, but 884 00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,560 I don't even know why they call it sound shitty. It's because 885 00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:22,820 Sound City, I mean, so many amazing runners, Tom Petty, 886 00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:28,220 Vinny Dio, so many great things were recorded there. Did you get 887 00:57:28,220 --> 00:57:28,340 to 888 00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:34,340 go and record? I know Matt. I know Matt started, we did that 889 00:57:34,340 --> 00:57:40,300 thing for charity. So grow bought that console, and it's 890 00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:44,680 it's in 606 now it's crazy. And I did this, and I got to, I got 891 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:49,720 to record into that console. We did a record. We did we I, we 892 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,380 contributed a song for charity. This is going back years, years 893 00:57:53,380 --> 00:57:58,720 ago, but, and I just remember number one being in 606 which 894 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,440 is, if you're a Foo Fighters fan, you love nirvana. You love 895 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,320 Dave Grohl. It's pretty magical place, just to begin with. But 896 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,520 like, then there's that, there's that's, that's the Neve, you 897 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,060 know, that's the, that's the need, that's the Appetite for 898 00:58:12,060 --> 00:58:16,980 Destruction. Never mind rumors. It's that console, right? I 899 00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:19,500 don't know why people would ever call it sound shitty. And I 900 00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:23,060 think, I think, you know, I think Rick Springfield did a lot 901 00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:26,180 of his stuff there. I mean, it was like that was a magical 902 00:58:26,180 --> 00:58:31,580 building in the middle of the, you know, the valley, man, the 903 00:58:31,580 --> 00:58:34,520 San Fernando Valley. Say, what you want. I mean, we wouldn't 904 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,880 have the movie, you know, we wouldn't have Boogie Nights. We 905 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,960 wouldn't have, we wouldn't have so many things. Thank God for 906 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,820 that little valley that right made so many amazing things. 907 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,460 Really did yeah. 908 00:58:48,820 --> 00:58:55,240 It was, yeah, it was, it was such a incredible time. And I 909 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,840 loved my time there. I loved my time in LA. I miss it. I love to 910 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,160 go visit now, but, but I was gonna 911 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,120 ask you, how are you loving, you know, Nashville? So you got, 912 00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,120 like, it's not quite the Nashville that I experienced 28 913 00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,780 years ago. You know, coming from Texas, like, you know, Texas is 914 00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:16,080 the south, but it's kind of its own subculture. And, you know, I 915 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,720 really don't have any problem with Texas. I think, like, the 916 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,520 roads are super wide, the people are pretty proud. They're pretty 917 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:27,020 friendly. It gets hot, but, you know, there's a there's a 918 00:59:27,020 --> 00:59:30,020 culture there. There's a support for the arts, their music 919 00:59:30,020 --> 00:59:33,560 education is at its highest level in the state of Texas. I 920 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,500 really don't have a problem with Texas at all. But, you know, 921 00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:39,500 moving here, I was like, oh my god, meet in threes, and there 922 00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:42,820 was, like, hay bales, and there's, you know, no valet 923 00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:46,720 parking. Forget about sushi. I mean, like we, we have come a 924 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:51,100 long way, baby. Yeah, so do you, you know, are you loving 925 00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:54,400 Nashville, or are you just realizing that, hey, everyone is 926 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,480 coming here, and I'm here and I'm in line. I mean, I'm so glad 927 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,440 I'm in line. I moved here 28 Years ago. So, you know, 928 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,740 hopefully, if somebody needs a drummer, they or a voiceover 929 01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:10,020 artist or they're going to think of rich or Steve. Steve, it's 930 01:00:10,020 --> 01:00:14,580 the Steven rich show. Brought to you by brought you by Heinz 57 931 01:00:14,940 --> 01:00:15,600 ketchup, brought 932 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,860 to you by icebreakers. 933 01:00:17,940 --> 01:00:22,400 Yeah, I don't have it. What am I? Got this, I I'm, it's water, 934 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:27,680 I promise, don't freak out. Yeah, it's been, you know, like 935 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:32,480 I had the good fortune, you know, people in our industry, we 936 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:37,580 have the good fortune of seeing if we think a new place might be 937 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:42,580 a good fit. So I started coming out here for work with Mark. 938 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,500 With mark in 2018 when we played the Ryman. So that was my first 939 01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:48,880 gig in Nashville. Was the Ryman 940 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,580 Auditorium. Look at that, buddy. That's the mother church. And 941 01:00:51,580 --> 01:00:52,840 it's like, Whoa, 942 01:00:53,140 --> 01:01:00,040 yeah. We we were direct support for Ted Nugent. And I remember 943 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,060 Mark calling me on the phone. I'm driving in North Hollywood, 944 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:08,280 I'm driving my car. And he was like, Hey, what are you doing? 945 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:14,400 And I'm like, because we were, we were, it was being thought 946 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,740 about if we were going to be able to do the tour or whatever, 947 01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:20,780 you know, and and it was like Virginia Beach, and it was like, 948 01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:25,760 some dates in Ohio, and, yeah, but then it was like, the Ryman, 949 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,480 you know, which is like, we'll do the four to get the one, no 950 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,840 offense, but that's just, that's just the way it is. And he was 951 01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:36,980 like, you might want to pull over. And I'm like, okay, so I 952 01:01:36,980 --> 01:01:40,040 pull over in somebody's driveway. And he's like, we got, 953 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,000 we got the tour. We're gonna, we're gonna play the Ryman in 954 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:49,840 July, and I'm like, freaking out, amazing. So we did that, 955 01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:55,300 which was so special, so special to be the only, the second 956 01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:59,620 member of my family who, where there's many musicians in my 957 01:01:59,620 --> 01:02:02,700 family, but to be the second member of my family to get to 958 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,720 play on that stage, I called my dad from the wings, and I was, 959 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,200 like, talking to him, and I'm like, so nervous. I I've played 960 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:17,280 TV, and I was more nervous there for that show than I was for 961 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,100 playing TV. I mean, that was like, so because I've been 962 01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:24,680 hearing about this place my whole life, since I was a little 963 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,560 kid, hearing about the Grand Ole Opry, right? So, well, 964 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,040 it is the longest running radio show of all time, and for 965 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,040 various periods it was a television show when, when I was 966 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:38,000 with Pam Tillis, we lived at the Ryman, I mean, at the other 967 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,880 location for the, you know, the Opry, and we were always on 968 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,300 television. And it's like, you got to get on. There's a house 969 01:02:43,300 --> 01:02:47,680 kit. There's a house drummer, you know, but was, you were 970 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,860 doing a full blown show, right? You had your own kit. 971 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:57,220 So, yeah, you know, I we got a kit for the run from SAR here in 972 01:02:57,220 --> 01:03:03,300 Nashville and and I had that the show went great. Was amazing. I 973 01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:07,920 had family in attendance. My fiance, her mom and sister came 974 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,680 down from Maryland for that show. I mean, it was, it was 975 01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,560 really, really, really special. We had to go to Roberts 976 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,800 afterwards for fried bologna sandwiches and, you know, like 977 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,680 we and beers. We had to do that, right? But, you know, right 978 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:20,780 after we play the Ryman, 979 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,140 my favorite Honky Tonk on the entire planet. Do you agree with 980 01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:24,380 me 100% 981 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,500 and not only that, probably maybe the only like, it's like 982 01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:36,860 the last one, it's like the last authentic, like, it's the 983 01:03:36,860 --> 01:03:41,980 last Honky Tonk. There should be a documentary. And like, if any 984 01:03:41,980 --> 01:03:44,800 filmmakers are listening out there, I want to be, I want to 985 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,160 somehow be involved in this thing. Because I'm not a person 986 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,680 that finds themselves down there a lot. But if I do go down 987 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,920 there, I'm going to Roberts. That's top of the list, 988 01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:58,360 without a doubt. You go to Roberts. Layla is also, is, is 989 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,640 cool too. It's like second so, so you, you get involved, and 990 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,540 then you get me on as the narrator for, for the last honky 991 01:04:06,540 --> 01:04:07,140 talk at all, 992 01:04:07,620 --> 01:04:11,100 listen to those voice like, I'm like, I'm like, hey lady. And 993 01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:11,460 you're like, 994 01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:16,440 you always sounded like, you don't sound like Jerry Lewis, 995 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:18,180 Hey lady, don't 996 01:04:23,060 --> 01:04:25,100 Hello, Roberts, it's a fucking party. 997 01:04:25,220 --> 01:04:28,700 It's a party, right? So, here's here. Here I am. I've been 998 01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:34,760 talking about moving here was since like, 2016 right, before I 999 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,460 got the Heaven and Earth gig, which was phenomenal. It was a 1000 01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:41,080 great gig. I mean, it was salaried. I mean, I mean, I'm 1001 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,440 not going to argue with that. Very generous people there 1002 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:49,960 involved. It pushed my move out, because I got a gig. I got a gig 1003 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,960 in LA and it was fun. And I'm playing, like, Deep Purple, like 1004 01:04:53,020 --> 01:04:55,720 Kenny Aronoff played on the record. And I'm like, I'm coming 1005 01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,840 in, and I'm copping Kenny stuff, nice and, and then, yeah, it was 1006 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,000 a blast. And I'm. At him a few months later, and he couldn't 1007 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,320 have been nicer to me. 1008 01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:05,580 He's a real wallflower. 1009 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,480 He should really, he should really open up. I gotta. Did I 1010 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,360 told you my Kenny Aronoff story, didn't I? You're about to right 1011 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,660 now. I'm about to right now. We were at a good friend of mine, 1012 01:05:18,660 --> 01:05:23,000 Ronnie. She's a awesome guitar player. Played with the 1013 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:28,040 runaways. She booked a session. She used to play with Kenny when 1014 01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:32,480 she was when Kenny was out with Fogarty, or doing a trillion 1015 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:38,000 other things. You know, I get the call and and so we're in, 1016 01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:43,480 we're in Sunset Sound there in LA and we're doing, and she got, 1017 01:05:43,540 --> 01:05:47,380 and she's, she's got like, three or four songs she wants to 1018 01:05:47,380 --> 01:05:52,900 record, and she's got any on one or two, and me on one or two. So 1019 01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:58,120 as I'm doing a sesh with Kenny, he comes in, he plays on my kit, 1020 01:05:58,300 --> 01:06:02,760 which was cool, sitting right over there, and and I'm talking 1021 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,640 to the we're done, you know, and we're talking it was, it was 1022 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,120 like a masterclass watching him do is, like, listen and the 1023 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,420 yellow legal pad and make his chart. I'm watching him and, 1024 01:06:12,420 --> 01:06:14,820 like, I'll watch him go on. He does, like, two takes, and it's 1025 01:06:14,820 --> 01:06:20,040 done, just sick and, and we're done, we're out, we're out in 1026 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,460 the live room and word, and I'm talking to someone, I'm talking 1027 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,340 to, talking to Ronnie or somebody, and he was like, You 1028 01:06:25,340 --> 01:06:29,840 should do voiceover and I'm like, thanks. I'm trying to, I'm 1029 01:06:30,140 --> 01:06:34,760 like, I dip my toe in the water. So I my story is when I, when I 1030 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,660 say, Kenny Aronoff heard me play. He told me I should do 1031 01:06:38,660 --> 01:06:39,500 voiceovers. 1032 01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,660 It's not that's horrible, that's terrible. And funny and 1033 01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:47,260 incredible. 1034 01:06:47,260 --> 01:06:50,740 Dan and Jerry AT Pro drum, they laughed. They thought it was 1035 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:51,100 pretty 1036 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,280 funny. Have you ever done the groove of the day on the Vine 1037 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:54,940 Street? There? 1038 01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,660 I did, man, I got to do it. I got to do it last year, 1039 01:06:58,660 --> 01:07:01,500 actually. No, I got to do it in 23 Yeah. What 1040 01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:04,440 am I? What am I saying? I watched it on your Instagram. 1041 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,600 It's like, you did, you did a thing. Like the groove was like, 1042 01:07:07,020 --> 01:07:07,620 there's like, 1043 01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:21,260 du gust, goes to do Gaston cutting. Yeah, it was the 1044 01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,840 that was it you, you got the gig? No, it was, it was no 1045 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:34,460 pressure, dude. I remember going in to see those guys and and I 1046 01:07:34,460 --> 01:07:38,720 had just landed from probably Nashville, and I hadn't slept, I 1047 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,320 think I did a gig the night before. Was really, really, 1048 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:46,780 really, really tired. But when Jerry's like, so you want to, 1049 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,140 are you familiar with the day? And I'm like, Yeah, I'm 1050 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,900 familiar. He's like, you want to do one? And I'm like, even 1051 01:07:52,900 --> 01:07:56,080 though I've got plane sleep, you know, like three and a half 1052 01:07:56,080 --> 01:08:00,100 hours, I'm like, I'm not gonna say no. So on those acrylic dw 1053 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,840 is that was the best I could put together on, like, three and a 1054 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,920 half hours. You could probably see the bags under my eyes, but 1055 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,340 no, they're, they're sweet guys. And that was a that was a lot of 1056 01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:12,720 fun. You know, it's just such 1057 01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:17,940 a piece of history, Hollywood history, and that drum shop 1058 01:08:17,940 --> 01:08:22,340 across from the, you know, the local 47 musicians union. And 1059 01:08:22,340 --> 01:08:26,360 then if you walk out the door and you take a right, you go to 1060 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,800 cactus taqueria number something or other that I love the best. 1061 01:08:31,220 --> 01:08:34,340 That's why I go right there. And there's no bathrooms, and so you 1062 01:08:34,340 --> 01:08:36,800 got to go into the neighborhood next door and pee behind the 1063 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:37,940 building. It's like crazy. 1064 01:08:38,059 --> 01:08:41,319 Oh yeah. Did you know pro drums got a toilet? I didn't know that 1065 01:08:41,379 --> 01:08:44,619 until, like, they have a they have a restroom in pro drum. I 1066 01:08:44,619 --> 01:08:48,039 was, I had been shopping there for 15 years, 1067 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:49,360 and you didn't know 1068 01:08:50,740 --> 01:08:53,440 I, like, drove up from, like, El Segundo. I 1069 01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,739 knew because they have, like, like, a very they have these 1070 01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:02,099 very yellowed, weathered from the sun posters of like Steve 1071 01:09:02,099 --> 01:09:06,899 Jordan and Dave weckle over the toilet. It's amazing by the 1072 01:09:06,959 --> 01:09:10,319 Yamaha, by the Yamaha hip gig. Get 1073 01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,500 right, right the weckel with the mullet, yeah, oh, 1074 01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:15,900 dude, I had that mullet. I had this vo five mullet, bro, 1075 01:09:16,380 --> 01:09:19,920 dude, I had, I had one. I had, I had, I like to think, like guys 1076 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,880 like us, we had mullets before. They were ironic, like when they 1077 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,220 were just, like, it was just a hairstyle, you know, like, it 1078 01:09:25,220 --> 01:09:25,580 was like, 1079 01:09:25,580 --> 01:09:29,780 it was just, it was just vo five hairspray curls, 1080 01:09:31,580 --> 01:09:32,840 yeah, little herbal essence. 1081 01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,979 And then we would come home from the club, and there was no smoke 1082 01:09:36,979 --> 01:09:39,919 heaters in a lot of places, and so you would open up your drum 1083 01:09:39,919 --> 01:09:43,419 cases, and it would smell like the Philip Morris factory, and 1084 01:09:43,419 --> 01:09:45,879 your hair would like, and there was like, you would you take a 1085 01:09:45,879 --> 01:09:49,119 shower, and then you could see the smoke coming out of your 1086 01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:49,839 hair. 1087 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,360 Literally, literally, like, like, people asking you if you 1088 01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,720 smoked. You're like, No, I'm a nightclub musician, and your 1089 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:03,000 teeth are all yellow, and you're like. You got yellow teeth, your 1090 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,160 clothes. Think it's crazy. 1091 01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:10,800 You're in Nashville. You got a great gal. You're engaged, yeah, 1092 01:10:10,860 --> 01:10:14,760 you're loving Nashville. So, so I'm sorry, just this is like, 1093 01:10:15,540 --> 01:10:19,320 no, no, yeah. How did you finish your Ryman experience? You're 1094 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,220 the second person in the history of your family, to play the 1095 01:10:22,220 --> 01:10:23,360 Ryman Auditorium. 1096 01:10:23,540 --> 01:10:27,860 So that was incredible. And like I was saying, you know, like in 1097 01:10:27,860 --> 01:10:32,120 our industry, I would always just in 18, I wanted to move 1098 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,600 here. I wanted to move here. In 16, got a gig, pushed it out 18, 1099 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:40,480 play the Ryman. I'd get a car, I'd get a hotel, I'd spend a few 1100 01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:45,040 extra days I'd always tried. And then with janava, I was coming 1101 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:52,600 out here in 2018 and 2019 to do the Americana fest with her so 1102 01:10:52,660 --> 01:10:59,260 and then Christine, my fiance, her her work, her company, had a 1103 01:10:59,260 --> 01:11:04,020 massive conference at the gaylord in 2019 so between 1104 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,740 playing the Ryman, doing Americana TWICE, TWICE, TWICE, 1105 01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,640 and coming out with Christine for the conference at the 1106 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,300 Gaylord, like I had, like, chances to come out and, like, 1107 01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:20,540 check Nashville out. I mean, I had been I came down here with 1108 01:11:20,540 --> 01:11:25,100 my dad when my uncle lived here, but I was very young, and I 1109 01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:28,280 didn't really, you know, like, now, you know, as an adult, but 1110 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:33,380 I but coming from Missouri, I mean, it's not that it's 1111 01:11:33,380 --> 01:11:36,560 different, because we're not, you know, we're not in the south 1112 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,200 where I, you know, where I'm from. But like, and certainly 1113 01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,820 coming from LA, it was very, very, very different. But like, 1114 01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:46,420 you know, I'm like, I could, I could totally, totally fit in 1115 01:11:46,420 --> 01:11:51,400 here. I could totally do this. I could, I think I could make this 1116 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:59,260 work. And, um, so, so, yeah, so I, I came out here. I actually 1117 01:11:59,260 --> 01:12:06,660 moved here originally in December of 2019 and was just in 1118 01:12:06,660 --> 01:12:11,820 time for the tornado and the pandemic to basically shut 1119 01:12:11,820 --> 01:12:16,380 everything down. So when, when the town so in March, when 1120 01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:21,260 everything shut down. I mean, I had built up a little bit of a 1121 01:12:21,260 --> 01:12:24,080 network, but there was, there was, as we both know, there was 1122 01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,020 no music, there was no there was no gigs, there was no Broadway, 1123 01:12:27,020 --> 01:12:34,580 there wasn't nothing. So I, I decided I packed up, and I 1124 01:12:34,580 --> 01:12:39,320 couldn't afford to stay here, so I went home and I helped out my 1125 01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:43,540 mom, who was having some health problems, and I'd always wanted 1126 01:12:43,540 --> 01:12:51,820 to teach, so I started applying to like School of Rock and 1127 01:12:51,820 --> 01:12:54,280 places that were doing virtual drum lessons. 1128 01:12:54,460 --> 01:12:56,680 Wait a minute, did you did you work with Angie and Kelly 1129 01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,420 mccrite over at the School of Rock? 1130 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,640 I worked at the School of Rock in Kirkwood, Missouri, just St 1131 01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,840 Louis. Oh, you went back home. I went home to help out. My mom 1132 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,500 gotcha was having some health problems, and it was kind of 1133 01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:14,100 like one of those things, complete transparency. Like, as 1134 01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:18,720 much of a drag as it was that we were all, we were all out of 1135 01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,140 work. I mean, we were all sitting at home. I mean, there 1136 01:13:21,140 --> 01:13:26,300 was about not a whole lot going on, but in hindsight, you know, 1137 01:13:26,300 --> 01:13:30,740 that was I kind of was exactly where I needed to be. I like, I 1138 01:13:30,740 --> 01:13:37,160 was right there. Like, you know, my mom had a minor stroke, so it 1139 01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:42,220 was good. It was good to be there and help with doctor's 1140 01:13:42,220 --> 01:13:45,220 appointments and grocery shopping and pharmacy runs and 1141 01:13:45,220 --> 01:13:48,520 things like that. But it also provided me an opportunity, 1142 01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:54,340 because there was I, I'd always wanted to teach, but I've always 1143 01:13:54,460 --> 01:13:58,240 been on the road, you know, so I've never really taken the time 1144 01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:02,040 to, like, have students, you know? It's just, I just it the 1145 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,900 it just the opportunity never presented itself. So I thought, 1146 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,100 let's make some lemonade, right? I was like, here's an 1147 01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:17,940 opportunity. So I got on with School of Rock there in 1148 01:14:17,940 --> 01:14:21,620 Kirkwood, Missouri, and then I also was working for monzingo 1149 01:14:21,620 --> 01:14:22,340 music, 1150 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,740 and, oh, Jeff, Jeff, 1151 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,080 Jeff, sweetheart, killer 1152 01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,200 drummer, and he does, like, kind of like uplifting presentations 1153 01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,980 and such, and I've done things for him. What a great guy. 1154 01:14:34,220 --> 01:14:38,000 Yeah. So that's I was at monzingo, and I was working at 1155 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,160 School of Rock, and that's kind of what I did rich, until I was 1156 01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:48,220 kind of getting calls that things, this is like the summer 1157 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:53,080 of 2021, that things were starting to kind of open, open 1158 01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:58,780 back up down here, and Mark McKay and I, we, we were direct 1159 01:14:58,780 --> 01:15:03,480 support for reocc. Bead wagon the summer of 21 we did a we did 1160 01:15:04,380 --> 01:15:08,460 two and a half weeks with them in July of 21 and I said, when 1161 01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:13,020 we get off the road opening up for reo, I went home and I 1162 01:15:13,020 --> 01:15:16,200 bought a car, and I packed it up, and I came back here, and 1163 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:23,000 that was in September, so July, and then I staggered. And then I 1164 01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:27,620 finally, really, I like, got here in September 21 and I no 1165 01:15:27,620 --> 01:15:30,860 more back and forth. I like, I, I stayed put, and I've been here 1166 01:15:30,860 --> 01:15:34,640 ever since, man and I, I love it, man and, you know, yeah, got 1167 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:39,800 engaged. We own a home here in town, which is a big deal. Makes 1168 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:40,600 you feel, 1169 01:15:41,980 --> 01:15:44,080 you know what? That's like, you're part of the culture, 1170 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:44,620 yeah, 1171 01:15:44,620 --> 01:15:47,620 yeah, if you own, if you own, property, where you where you 1172 01:15:47,620 --> 01:15:50,800 live, you know, that's kind of like, it's very like, you feel, 1173 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,700 definitely more of the fabric of of your community. So, and I 1174 01:15:54,700 --> 01:16:00,220 absolutely, you know, love it. It's just, I do my airport gigs, 1175 01:16:00,220 --> 01:16:04,500 you know, I do my Johnny Cash tribute act, and I play with 1176 01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:08,580 Dead Kennedys, and I I play really traditional country, or I 1177 01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:12,060 play very extreme punk rock, and then I'm also available to do 1178 01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:17,340 sessions or, or what else, whatever else comes down the 1179 01:16:17,340 --> 01:16:17,520 pipe. 1180 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,540 Now, Steve, do you? You know, I'm glad you're here full time 1181 01:16:20,540 --> 01:16:26,780 and welcome. Do you have your mobile tracking thing over to 1182 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,980 the your left right there? Like set up for drums to record or 1183 01:16:30,980 --> 01:16:36,260 No, I'm not currently set up right now to record at home. I 1184 01:16:36,260 --> 01:16:41,740 do vo from home, but, but I definitely the room is like, 1185 01:16:41,740 --> 01:16:46,360 we've been here a year in this house, and it's definitely taken 1186 01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:50,740 me with work and back and forth and in and out of town. It's 1187 01:16:50,740 --> 01:16:56,980 taken me that long just to even get my voiceover booth kind of 1188 01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,600 treated and up and going. But remote tracks is definitely 1189 01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,180 something that I'm interested in. I'm already, you know, doing 1190 01:17:03,180 --> 01:17:08,880 single track for my voice, but, but definitely, I love playing 1191 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:16,680 live. I love the road. I love, you know, I traveling airports 1192 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:20,480 and you know that stuff. You know that it doesn't, it's not 1193 01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:25,040 for everybody it but even in being in my late 40s, that kind 1194 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,680 of stuff, it does not it doesn't bother me. I actually kind of 1195 01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,080 miss it when I'm home for too long. So 1196 01:17:30,620 --> 01:17:33,620 I do not have a problem with it at all. 1197 01:17:36,860 --> 01:17:40,360 Excited to go to Australia coming up in September with dead 1198 01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,660 Kennedy. First time for that never been New Zealand, 1199 01:17:43,660 --> 01:17:44,800 Australia. Just don't 1200 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,440 go swimming with the crocodiles. But in watch out for the snake, 1201 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:48,880 spiders, scorpions and sharks. 1202 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,520 Yeah, I was going to say, what did they say? Shake your shake 1203 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,400 your boots before you put them on. Yeah. We were there in 1204 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:58,240 20. Definitely do that. We were there in 2015 like we after a 1205 01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,720 show with, like, the whole band and crew at this, you know, 1206 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,020 outdoor eatery and such. And, you know, it's in the summer, so 1207 01:18:04,020 --> 01:18:08,580 it's like the sunset so late and but we see this palm tree just 1208 01:18:08,580 --> 01:18:11,640 like shaking, like it was, like 10 feet away. And we're like, 1209 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,160 what is that? He goes, Oh, don't walk by my it's just a city 1210 01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:20,220 back. This thing was a monstrous veins in the, you know, like a 1211 01:18:20,220 --> 01:18:23,360 bat. It was like a bat, you know it's like, but he's, like, just 1212 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,420 a city bat, night. No, it's just like a rat for them. You know 1213 01:18:26,420 --> 01:18:28,940 what? I mean, like, but this thing had like a four foot 1214 01:18:28,940 --> 01:18:33,440 wingspan. It was up in the tree, and it was all veiny, and you're 1215 01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:36,680 like, that's a bat. It looks like a pterodactyl. 1216 01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,680 I was gonna say, Dude, this like something left over from like 1217 01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:40,960 the dinosaur age, right? 1218 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,780 Yeah, it's down there, bro, it is down there. 1219 01:18:44,860 --> 01:18:48,640 Well, I have that to look forward to. I have large bat 1220 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,660 birds to look forward to. Yeah, I've never been and i i gotta 1221 01:18:52,660 --> 01:18:59,920 say that I've put off going because I've always hoped and 1222 01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:04,380 prayed like Japan came work came through. I got to go to Japan 1223 01:19:04,380 --> 01:19:08,880 for work, and I got to see all of Europe through work and South 1224 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,420 America and all these places. And I'm like, it's gonna happen. 1225 01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:17,400 It's gonna happen. I'm like, I'm work is somehow some there's too 1226 01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,660 much music. They love music, too much over there for me not to 1227 01:19:20,660 --> 01:19:25,040 get to go to Australia with a band, certain places, I've 1228 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,220 surrendered to the fact that her, Christine and I are just 1229 01:19:28,220 --> 01:19:33,140 going to have to go on our own dime. But I'm like, not that's 1230 01:19:33,140 --> 01:19:35,540 going to be, that's going to be a work trip. I can feel it. And 1231 01:19:35,540 --> 01:19:36,260 sure enough, that's 1232 01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:40,100 one of the perks of doing what we do, is being able to travel 1233 01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:42,640 the world on someone else's time. And we're actually, we're 1234 01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:48,880 actually going back to Australia for 25 days in February. So, oh, 1235 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,760 wow, exciting, buddy. Super excited. So maybe I'll do some 1236 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,280 international tours, international clinics, because 1237 01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,340 I've never done a whole lot of international clinics, you know, 1238 01:19:57,340 --> 01:19:59,920 because we'll have days off in between, which is kind of some. 1239 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,200 Kind of interesting to look forward to. But, man, if 1240 01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,560 everybody wants to check you out. Steven Wilson, musik.com, 1241 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:09,900 it tells the whole story. 1242 01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:15,360 That's it. That's my site. I'm very proud of it. My good friend 1243 01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:20,900 kata did a great job building that up for me. So we worked a 1244 01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:23,240 lot, lot of back and forth on Well, it's nice. It 1245 01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:27,080 tells people how to find you. The bio is brief and sexy and 1246 01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,140 sweet, and there's video footage of you playing, there's 1247 01:20:30,140 --> 01:20:32,900 recordings, there's your tour dates, which are up to date, 1248 01:20:32,900 --> 01:20:35,660 which I'm sure, give it five years it will not be up to date, 1249 01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,540 but in the meantime, your tour dates are up to date. You know, 1250 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,380 I interviewed Chris McCue, and he's like, I said, Man, your 1251 01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:44,320 tour dates are 10 years old. On the thing. He's like, Yeah, 1252 01:20:44,500 --> 01:20:48,160 yeah, no, no one ever keeps the tour dates. Just go to 1253 01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:52,060 Instagram. But no, it looks great. And then, how do you 1254 01:20:52,060 --> 01:20:55,360 promote your VO, is that another site? Do you have an agent? 1255 01:20:55,900 --> 01:20:57,700 Voices, 123, what do you do? 1256 01:20:58,540 --> 01:21:01,980 It's Steve Wilson. Vo.com is my 1257 01:21:01,980 --> 01:21:05,100 I should have checked that out. Yeah, everyone, check that out. 1258 01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:10,380 Steve, Wilson, vo.com and I need to connect you with Jim 1259 01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:13,800 McCarthy, who's my longtime friend of 18. Yeah, the coast of 1260 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,400 my podcast. And he does some steak work, but he calls a lot 1261 01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,040 of his work hamburger work, which is he does a lot of things 1262 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:24,620 like press one to try to talk to someone. Tried press two to 1263 01:21:24,620 --> 01:21:28,160 never, ever speak to someone, ever again in your entire life, 1264 01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,340 and press zero to fuck off. So he does a lot of those kind of 1265 01:21:31,340 --> 01:21:32,720 things. You know? Yeah, 1266 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,840 yeah. I would love to meet him. I would love to meet there's a 1267 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:40,340 great organization here in Nashville, the Tennessee 1268 01:21:40,340 --> 01:21:46,300 voiceover. With Christy Bowen over there. They're, they're 1269 01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:47,260 great people to know, 1270 01:21:48,700 --> 01:21:51,940 yeah, I'll give them a plug. And they're, 1271 01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,860 they're, they're terrific, great. Lot of classes, a 1272 01:21:56,860 --> 01:22:02,100 coaching, they will help you with an audition, you know, like 1273 01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:03,360 I've went in there. 1274 01:22:04,860 --> 01:22:07,620 I've been with pearl drums for 18 years, and I 1275 01:22:07,620 --> 01:22:10,800 was out Pearl Sabian, you and I have in common. So if we ever 1276 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,860 did a clinic tour, the common bomb would be Sabian. You're 1277 01:22:13,860 --> 01:22:18,480 with the Vader. They have a stick called the it's called the 1278 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,540 Los Angeles or it's called the LA. It's a lesson. 1279 01:22:21,540 --> 01:22:24,920 It's the, it's 1280 01:22:26,780 --> 01:22:28,040 the LA session, I think 1281 01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,260 is that la session, I like, 1282 01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:33,560 I play 1283 01:22:34,580 --> 01:22:41,020 a power 5b acorn tip. Then Chad, my good friend, Chad, over at 1284 01:22:41,020 --> 01:22:46,240 Vader, who takes such good care of me. He screened my name and 1285 01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,240 my handle. I got the Boomstick now so he 1286 01:22:50,500 --> 01:22:53,500 I was, like, so stoked for that. And Steve Boomstick 1287 01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:54,820 Wilson, I love that. 1288 01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,740 Yeah, dude. Like, it's, they make a good product. They really 1289 01:22:59,740 --> 01:23:02,700 make a good product. Everybody's making a really good product. 1290 01:23:02,700 --> 01:23:06,120 And, you know, Sabian, like, I'm assuming, like, so for me, like, 1291 01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,660 I got 15 or 16 inch hats. I never have less than a 22 inch 1292 01:23:09,660 --> 01:23:12,600 rod. I got 220 inch crashes. And then I have a holy China. And 1293 01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,200 holy China is that the best China symbol ever known to 1294 01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:20,300 man. I mean, they're, they're monstrous man. They're so nasty. 1295 01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:25,880 I love, I love Chris. It's such good. I just got the the 15 inch 1296 01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,440 evolution hats that weckel hats, and I absolutely love them. And 1297 01:23:31,220 --> 01:23:37,100 stanky hit me to Superman's 20 this session, ride, man, that 1298 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:43,360 the HH session, right? It's a dude. It's so versatile, great 1299 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:50,500 stuff. Love all the HHS stuff, but, but yeah, yeah, that's 1300 01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,340 they're great companies, man. And you know what? What more can 1301 01:23:54,340 --> 01:23:58,540 you ask of a company than you call they call you back. You 1302 01:23:58,540 --> 01:24:01,920 need something, they take care of it, you know, I mean, and in 1303 01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,760 return, we just, we talk it up and promote it anywhere we can, 1304 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,420 in any way we can. So, yeah, they're very, very lucky. I 1305 01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:14,400 don't if it's not broke, you know, I've been with Pearl 18 1306 01:24:14,460 --> 01:24:21,260 years. I've been with Sabian 17 years, invader for like, seven, 1307 01:24:21,380 --> 01:24:26,000 eight years, and, yeah, it's just like, it's, it's, they're 1308 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:26,960 great products, 1309 01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,800 and you're a loyal human being, and that's a great thing. What 1310 01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,920 is your go to snare drum with pearl? Is it that? Is it that 1311 01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,920 sense of tone? It's like a budget snare drum, but it's 1312 01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,440 badass, and everybody records on it, or like 1313 01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:45,040 that. That thing I just got the session select, which is a birch 1314 01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:51,040 and mahogany, African mahogany blend. It's not the most 1315 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:55,300 expensive snare drum in the world, but by God, it's a six 1316 01:24:55,300 --> 01:25:00,180 and a half and it cracks. It was on a backline kit, and I. Was 1317 01:25:00,180 --> 01:25:04,020 like, geez. And I called John up, and I'm like, How do I get 1318 01:25:04,020 --> 01:25:06,360 my hands on one of these? I'm like, I gotta have one of these. 1319 01:25:07,980 --> 01:25:09,300 Full disclosure, 1320 01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:17,520 my super phonic gets a big workout. I love my phonic, and 1321 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:22,100 I've got a carbon fiber snare drum that was made for me from a 1322 01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:27,500 boutique company called Rocket shell in Sacramento. What's up, 1323 01:25:27,500 --> 01:25:33,620 Paul? And I absolutely love that thing too. So I'm a, I'm loyal, 1324 01:25:33,860 --> 01:25:40,220 but you know, like, you know, like, you're a DW guy that bell, 1325 01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:44,620 that bill bronze is a six, six snare drum. What do you what are 1326 01:25:44,620 --> 01:25:48,700 you using? What's your Monday through Friday on tour the the 1327 01:25:49,660 --> 01:25:55,600 snare drum is just a matching five and a half by 14 maple 1328 01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:01,260 snare drum that matches the maple 1970s DW technology, like, 1329 01:26:01,260 --> 01:26:03,840 I just they have so many different shell configurations 1330 01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:08,100 and cross pollinations And the, you know, gum and cherry wood 1331 01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:11,160 and, like, you know, Maple mahogany. I do have a maple 1332 01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,620 mahogany kit, that's my main recording kit. But on the road, 1333 01:26:13,620 --> 01:26:16,380 it's just like, I just keep it so stupid. I just go with this 1334 01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:24,680 normal off the shelf maple kit, you know, 1316, 1824, five and a 1335 01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,440 half cookies. Let's count it off. You know, 1336 01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:32,240 I love it, dude. Keep it simple, yeah. I was gonna say, so 1337 01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,940 you're, yeah, you're using wood on live. That's great, 1338 01:26:34,940 --> 01:26:38,540 man. I mean, yeah, even though I'm a very much a metal snare 1339 01:26:38,540 --> 01:26:43,780 drum guy, I have, you know, 90% of my collection is metal snare 1340 01:26:43,780 --> 01:26:47,020 drums. And then some of the deeper drums are treated in a 1341 01:26:47,020 --> 01:26:50,620 way with double ply heads and gaff tape and such to mimic a 1342 01:26:50,620 --> 01:26:54,220 wood snare drum. You know, I just love metal drums, you know, 1343 01:26:54,340 --> 01:26:54,640 yeah, 1344 01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,180 me too. I do too. I love a metal snare drum. I really do. I 1345 01:26:58,180 --> 01:27:03,360 really do. Yeah, I'm trying to find a black beauty from like, 1346 01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:07,620 you know, at least, maybe even like the 90s, for under $2,000 1347 01:27:08,820 --> 01:27:12,300 you know. And it's been, it's, it's, it's tricky. 1348 01:27:12,420 --> 01:27:14,040 You know what I found there's, 1349 01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:19,080 there's a, there's a cat in town who's like, he's kind of like 1350 01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,560 one of our keltners, our Nashville keltoners, Brian, 1351 01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:25,040 Owings, what's up, Brian? He's, we keep missing each other, but 1352 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,860 you know, he's like, you know one of the guys that will play 1353 01:27:27,860 --> 01:27:31,640 with, like a loose end or Roseanne cash? He's that cat, 1354 01:27:31,940 --> 01:27:38,780 and he's, probably has 25 100 year old black beauties. He's 1355 01:27:38,780 --> 01:27:41,560 that guy. And he's like, I was like. I was like, I want a 1920 1356 01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,920 Black Beauty. Where do I get it? He goes, just go to reverb. He 1357 01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:49,420 sent me a link. He goes, here's a 1920s Black Beauty, six and a 1358 01:27:49,420 --> 01:27:54,640 half for $1,300 he said, buy it right now, right now. Yeah, and 1359 01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:59,980 I, and I did so I have 119 20s Black Beauty just, you know, 1360 01:27:59,980 --> 01:28:03,240 just because we've been doing this so long, does it end up on 1361 01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,600 everything? No, because sometimes the off the shelf, six 1362 01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,060 and a half from forks, drum closet, that's got the trick 1363 01:28:09,060 --> 01:28:12,960 throw off, and the, you know, the, yeah, the rock locks, and 1364 01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,420 it's just all ready to go. And it's just like, it beat the shit 1365 01:28:15,420 --> 01:28:17,700 out of it, you know? But dude, that's, 1366 01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:20,660 you deserve it, man, that's a great fine. 1367 01:28:20,660 --> 01:28:24,200 Yeah, I keep looking, you know, I keep looking. I'm we have the 1368 01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:31,820 good fortune like of being on the road. I got a 1970 super 1369 01:28:31,820 --> 01:28:38,420 phonic five. They clearly didn't know what they had. I well, I 1370 01:28:38,420 --> 01:28:41,020 got it for, I think I paid $200 1371 01:28:41,980 --> 01:28:43,540 for it. Well, that's always great 1372 01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:48,340 at a mon past shop in New Jersey. And the only question I 1373 01:28:48,340 --> 01:28:51,580 had for the guy is, can you ship it to my house in Nashville? And 1374 01:28:51,580 --> 01:28:53,080 he was, yeah, he's like, no problem. 1375 01:28:53,380 --> 01:28:56,380 So that's a fun pastime on the road. You know, you're in, yeah, 1376 01:28:56,440 --> 01:28:59,680 you're in Hoboken, New Jersey. You're gonna, you're gonna get a 1377 01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:03,000 nice cup of coffee. You're going to get a bagel scooped or 1378 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,760 unscooped, and you're going to go and you're going to go to the 1379 01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,040 thrift shop and look for drums or something. You 1380 01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:14,160 know, totally, I remember I texted Joe travers, what's up, 1381 01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,860 Joe? Joe, what's up? Joe's Joe 1382 01:29:16,860 --> 01:29:20,600 walks in odd time. He's like, left, right, left, right, left, 1383 01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,720 left, right, left, right, left, right, right, left. He's in 1384 01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,700 seven. He's walking seven. 1385 01:29:27,620 --> 01:29:31,340 Real quick, real quick. You know he was, he was good, he got, he 1386 01:29:31,340 --> 01:29:34,040 was gonna go out with Eric Johnson. And I'm like, Dude, you 1387 01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,620 just must be like, You must be just like, this is years ago. I 1388 01:29:36,620 --> 01:29:39,980 was like, You must just be like, in the shed, man. Just like, 1389 01:29:39,980 --> 01:29:41,260 he's like, no. 1390 01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,180 He's like, I just listened to it. I'm like, 1391 01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,260 What's up? Joe travers, we got, we got to have a nice chat, 1392 01:29:50,860 --> 01:29:54,580 too, Joe, I called you, and I was like, Is this a good deal? 1393 01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:59,740 And you were like, like, that. Buy it now. Now don't wait. You. 1394 01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,980 Uh, get that go to an ATM, if you have to, like, get that drum 1395 01:30:04,980 --> 01:30:06,240 and and that and 1396 01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:07,740 ATM, 1397 01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,240 Hey, so, so, um, here's the deal. What's your, what's your, 1398 01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,120 what's your favorite color, uh, 1399 01:30:17,340 --> 01:30:20,160 McIntosh green, like granny apple green. 1400 01:30:21,780 --> 01:30:25,040 Never have gotten that that's by that's because you're a unique 1401 01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:30,980 individual. Yeah, I like that. What about your favorite food or 1402 01:30:30,980 --> 01:30:31,760 dish? 1403 01:30:33,260 --> 01:30:35,180 Well, favorite food 1404 01:30:36,260 --> 01:30:45,340 is Italian, and if, if it was on a deserted island last meal, uh, 1405 01:30:45,340 --> 01:30:48,820 kind of boring, but I'd probably have to go spaghetti and 1406 01:30:48,820 --> 01:30:49,420 meatballs, yeah, 1407 01:30:50,140 --> 01:30:53,080 but it's just so great. And then you have a some Chianti, and 1408 01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,660 then you're on a tablecloth, the red and white checkered 1409 01:30:55,660 --> 01:30:58,540 tablecloth, yeah, and some guy's got an accordion, and you're 1410 01:30:58,540 --> 01:30:59,800 just like, I'm ready. 1411 01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,580 Let's go Amore. Here we go. 1412 01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:15,960 Ooh, nice press. Oh, my God, 1413 01:31:17,820 --> 01:31:21,680 you press. So what about, what about favorite drink? 1414 01:31:22,580 --> 01:31:23,840 My favorite drink, 1415 01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,980 adult or all, all 1416 01:31:27,980 --> 01:31:30,620 genre may give me milk, you know, 2% whatever. 1417 01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:36,140 Well, my favorite beverage is probably coffee. Yeah, come on. 1418 01:31:36,140 --> 01:31:40,900 I mean, I mean talking about something that I can have any 1419 01:31:40,900 --> 01:31:44,260 time of the day, like I can, I can drink coffee at 10 o'clock 1420 01:31:44,260 --> 01:31:46,480 at night and enjoy it. So, yeah, 1421 01:31:46,660 --> 01:31:50,740 I will usually not do it at 10 o'clock at night, but you're 1422 01:31:50,740 --> 01:31:53,620 right. I mean, I could push it to like, six o'clock at night, 1423 01:31:53,620 --> 01:31:56,080 something like that. And I don't know about you and your touring 1424 01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,420 mates, but we're like, simple guys. We're just like, what's 1425 01:31:58,420 --> 01:32:02,220 our rider on the bus? The strongest coffee known to man, 1426 01:32:02,220 --> 01:32:05,640 like alien blood, like seeping through the whole of the ship. 1427 01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:08,040 You know what? I mean, we just give 1428 01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:13,140 us coffee, like a like an engine block, like the oil pan out of 1429 01:32:13,140 --> 01:32:13,620 it. Yeah? 1430 01:32:13,620 --> 01:32:16,560 Dude, incredible. He's so easy. So what about your favorite 1431 01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:19,020 drummers? Like, you know, if you had, like, your Mount Rushmore 1432 01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:20,600 of drummers, um, 1433 01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:30,920 I would have to put bottom up there. And I really love Steve 1434 01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,200 Smith. Wow, 1435 01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:40,220 the open bass drums and the solos from the 80s, so fluid and 1436 01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:45,760 awesome. But to hear him, I mean, the guy not to we can go 1437 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:50,500 down a rabbit hole about him, but like to hear him is jazz, 1438 01:32:51,220 --> 01:32:54,520 and then, like, the stuff he did with journey, I mean, I just, I 1439 01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:58,660 am like, that's like, it's the same guy, and it's just to me. 1440 01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:00,040 It's just like, 1441 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,380 oh my god, it's, I love that vital information, especially 1442 01:33:04,380 --> 01:33:08,460 the like 90s vital information, with the fact sonar snare drum 1443 01:33:08,460 --> 01:33:11,580 was kind of small, it was a little bit smooth, you know, 1444 01:33:11,940 --> 01:33:22,460 yeah, um, those two, I mean, you gotta mention Vinny, you know. I 1445 01:33:22,460 --> 01:33:27,800 mean, with the sting stuff alone, you know? I mean, 1446 01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:32,240 yeah, and then, you know, 1447 01:33:33,380 --> 01:33:37,160 I love Dave Grohl. I love the way I love the veracity of 1448 01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:46,960 Dave's playing and and I, growing up, I was a big fan of 1449 01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:51,220 both Mike Portnoy. I loved the the early Dream Theater stuff, 1450 01:33:52,000 --> 01:34:01,920 and I loved nirvana. I loved the idea of taking veracity and a 1451 01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:08,040 vocabulary and and merging them so like, and it's basically kind 1452 01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:12,840 of like what would become. That's what be, in my opinion. 1453 01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,840 It's kind of like what Joey Jorgensen did with Slipknot in 1454 01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:21,980 those early days, was he took prowess sheer, like the chops, 1455 01:34:22,700 --> 01:34:28,160 but he beat the crap out of the drums too. So it was like, yeah, 1456 01:34:28,220 --> 01:34:34,280 that that gets my tail wagging. I like to hear, like, power and 1457 01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:38,180 like, you know, Kishi, like, tissue can do that. Tissue can, 1458 01:34:38,180 --> 01:34:42,760 like, be coming through a wall and then, like, just burn around 1459 01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:46,240 the times. You're like, geez. Like, like, all that stuff he 1460 01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,480 did with, like, pride and glory that record, I mean, like, he's 1461 01:34:49,480 --> 01:34:52,120 all over it. It's just that's, 1462 01:34:53,380 --> 01:34:54,460 that's what's fun 1463 01:34:54,460 --> 01:34:58,300 to me, yeah, man, I think that's a perfect combination of peanut 1464 01:34:58,300 --> 01:35:01,920 butter and chocolate. Is, is that you. You are. It's a com 1465 01:35:01,980 --> 01:35:03,900 it's like a smart cave. 1466 01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:07,920 That's the best way I've ever heard it put it's like a 1467 01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:12,480 caveman that went to community college. And it's like, hey, you 1468 01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:18,660 know, read Little Women, read Catcher in the Rye, read The 1469 01:35:18,660 --> 01:35:22,220 Canterbury Tales, but you're still very hairy and your 1470 01:35:22,220 --> 01:35:26,960 knuckles are scraping the ground 100% Yeah, yeah. I love that. We 1471 01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,420 both feel that way. And I do, you know, I will say this. He 1472 01:35:29,420 --> 01:35:32,600 hasn't been on the show yet, but God bless him. He's asked me to 1473 01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:38,720 be at four bottom Bonzo bashes, and you've played those. I think 1474 01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:43,840 Brian Tisch is one of the greatest modern rock drummers we 1475 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:48,940 have alive today. 100% I had agree he has a real special 1476 01:35:48,940 --> 01:35:52,060 thing. Yeah, he does. He really does. And you know what? Who 1477 01:35:52,060 --> 01:35:55,840 else does? Steve Wilson, Oh, you're too kind. Thank you, 1478 01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,840 buddy. I love it, buddy. I miss you so much. I know that we love 1479 01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,800 cigars. I love the fact that you're living in Nashville right 1480 01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,080 now. I love that you got, you know, since you and I met, we 1481 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:08,700 both got great gals. We got homes. You know, it's, it's, 1482 01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:11,760 it's all a great thing. And if people want to come see you this 1483 01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,280 year with the Dead Kennedys, how do they find out where to find 1484 01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:14,520 you? 1485 01:36:14,820 --> 01:36:18,720 They can go to my website, they go to Steven Wilson music.com or 1486 01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:24,320 they can cruise over to dead kennedys.com we are currently 1487 01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:31,940 nothing in the States right now on the books, but we are headed, 1488 01:36:31,940 --> 01:36:35,180 like I said. We're headed to New Zealand and Australia in 1489 01:36:35,180 --> 01:36:41,080 September, and in the meantime, I'm going to be here in town, 1490 01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:46,300 and I gig around local here and there when I can, and and then, 1491 01:36:46,300 --> 01:36:50,620 if not, I'm in this booth and talking into a microphone. So 1492 01:36:51,100 --> 01:36:51,880 it's good stuff. 1493 01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,100 I love it. Kenny your office, right? You're like, Hey, you 1494 01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:56,860 should do voiceover. And you're doing the thing, man. You know, 1495 01:36:56,860 --> 01:36:58,360 everyone takes Kenny's advice, 1496 01:36:58,420 --> 01:37:01,320 and if Kenny gives you some advice, you should probably take 1497 01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:01,500 it. 1498 01:37:01,500 --> 01:37:04,680 That's dude. I love it. I tell you what, I probably won't see 1499 01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,100 in the month of July, because it's always everyone's craziest 1500 01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:12,420 month festival season. But I know that there's an amazing 1501 01:37:12,420 --> 01:37:16,380 cigar bar here in Spring Hill called the mission. You walk in, 1502 01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:20,120 they've got the most insanely expensive smoke eaters. You 1503 01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,540 leave and you're like, oh my god, did I? Did I go to cigar 1504 01:37:23,540 --> 01:37:26,720 bar? It was amazing. Was amazing experience. So we'll do the 1505 01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:30,800 thing. So everybody check out. Steven Wilson music.com and the 1506 01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:34,040 voiceover is Steve Wilson vo.com, 1507 01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:36,020 Steve Wilson vo.com, 1508 01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:41,620 I'm super happy for you. I'm just very proud of you, and I'm 1509 01:37:41,620 --> 01:37:45,100 proud to call your friend. Thank you Rich. I love you buddy. I 1510 01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:47,560 love you, man. And hey to all the listeners, be sure to 1511 01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,860 subscribe, share, rate and review. It helps people find 1512 01:37:50,860 --> 01:37:53,200 this crazy little show, and we need all the help of all the 1513 01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:56,680 noise today and leave us a five star rating and review on Apple 1514 01:37:56,680 --> 01:38:00,660 podcast. It really does help things, and we'll see you next 1515 01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:01,320 time, 1516 01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:05,400 thanks, Steve, this has been the rich Redmond show. Subscribe, 1517 01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:10,200 rate and follow along at rich redmond.com forward, slash 1518 01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:11,100 podcasts. You.