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Today, we're joined by a former third
battalion parachute regiment soldier,

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special forces, counter terrorism
expert and base jumper extraordinaire.

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He's led a life defined by
bravery, determination, and an

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unyielding thirst for adventure.

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We'll explore the mindset required to
face danger head on, the lessons learned

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from life on the edge and the deep
connection between courage and adrenaline.

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Welcome to the Silvercore
podcast, Jamie Flynn.

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Jamie Flynn: Hey, thanks for having me.

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That sounds like a really interesting
Introduction, he sounds like a good dude.

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There you

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Travis Bader: go.

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Uh, good guy for sure.

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So you've got, you know, I'm, I look
at your social media feed and I'm

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envious of some of the very cool
things that you're doing out there.

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You're jumping off the chief
in a, in a squirrel suit.

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You're, uh, Uh, and base jumping, uh,
doing a lot of these high adrenaline

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things, which I don't know if I'd ever,
you know, I, I enjoy pushing myself.

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I don't know if I'd ever
find myself in doing that.

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You never know.

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We'll see.

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But I'm curious about your
background and what kind of led

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you to this adventurous lifestyle.

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Where'd you grow up?

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Jamie Flynn: Well, I grew up in a
really crap area in England called

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Slough, uh, it's just outside of London.

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Yeah, it's a really rough neighborhood,
um, come from a really bad council estate.

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Yeah, it's pretty rough.

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Uh, yeah, we come from, as
you'd imagine, a broken home.

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My family all broke up pretty young.

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Um, yeah, it's pretty rough.

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It's not the best upbringing, I'll be
honest, and my parents broke up when

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I was like, nine, and I was actually,
weirdly enough, it's not actually

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funny, yeah, my real mum dropped me on
the side of a highway, and then I got,

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with a black bin bag, and a, another
truck driver pulled up, and got out,

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and he was like, what are you doing?

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And I was like, well, Oh, my
dad works for this company.

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And I was like, how the
hell did this happen?

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So yeah, he calls, uh, he calls
them on the, this old CB radio.

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And they, however, they managed
to get this phone call to happen.

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They got my dad on the phone
and, um, yeah, pretty sure.

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And then I moved in with my dad
pretty shortly after, but he was

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a long distance truck driver.

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Wow.

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And that's how my.

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Life started was, you know, just
being abandoned by my biological mum,

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um, and then moving in with a woman
who worked at my dad's company, uh,

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who was the secretary at the time,
and Yeah, my dad and her didn't

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have a relationship at the time.

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So how old were you?

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I was nine or just turning 10.

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So that's

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Travis Bader: about 20, 26
years ago, almost on the date.

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I think if, uh, Facebook

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Jamie Flynn: was right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it was, it was like
two days ago or something.

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Travis Bader: Yeah.

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Does that something that, uh,
that date comes up and it sticks

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Jamie Flynn: in your head?

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's like, it's a pretty unique date.

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Cause it's, it's.

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You know, you grow up and imagine
that you're, you know, you're gonna be

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with your family and that's how it is.

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But you're, you know, the person you
trust the most is actually the one that

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abandoned you, you know, and that's
kind of weird and sticks with you.

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And I think it's probably something
to do with how my life has turned out.

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Um,

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Travis Bader: Yeah, I'd think so.

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I think that would have
some impact for sure.

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Did you ever have any
communication with her after

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that or was, is that what it was?

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Jamie Flynn: A little bit here and
there, but like, it was so broken.

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It's just, yeah.

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Eventually I just was like, no, she,
she reached out a couple of times when

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I was in Afghanistan and whatever.

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And I'm not really interested,

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Travis Bader: you know.

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So as a youngster prior to that
happening, uh, Would you seek out risky

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things or were you kind of more risk

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Jamie Flynn: adverse?

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No, I was, I had no interest.

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Like, I was scared of roller coasters.

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I was scared of everything.

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Like, it was weird.

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It was like, I didn't really get into
that much trouble until like, I got

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into my teenage years and Um, that
lady that I lived with and my dad ended

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up getting together, obviously that
normally happens, um, but, and then

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we moved down to a place called, uh,
deal, which is just north of Dover.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So it's a nice area and it was actually
kind of a cool place to grow up and I

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got into skateboarding pretty young.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And.

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Skateboarding is one of those
sports where you can't just

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pick it up and be good at it.

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Not at all.

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No, you have to keep doing it, you
have to keep falling over, you have

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to keep smashing your face on the
ground, you have to keep hurting your

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wrists and your ankles and your legs
and break bones and everything else.

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It's one of those where it's just
like, you have to keep getting up

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and over, doing things over and over
and over again until finally you can

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actually do what you wanted to do.

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Yeah, and I think that that's probably
where my mindset has come from,

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being maybe a little bit angry from
where my, you know, childhood first

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started to then the skateboarding
that gave me the tenacity of just keep

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doing something until I've Got it.

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And the focus

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Travis Bader: and isn't that funny
that the adversity of just not being

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successful at something and having
something like some people will find

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that in the musical instrument, but it
doesn't seem to have the same end result.

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You don't see a lot of special forces,
people who really like playing the guitar

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or excellent floutists or pianists.

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I mean, uh, ex Navy SEAL, Andrew Arabito.

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I asked him, I said, like, if you,
Didn't go the route that you did.

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Uh, what do you think you'd be doing?

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He says, Oh, I'd probably be a pro skater.

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And he's runs a company, half face blades.

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They make knives and he's got his, uh,
half pipe and a little skate park inside

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his building that they have there.

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But, uh, uh, yeah, there, there definitely
is a, um, a resiliency that comes from.

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From the failure, the
repeated failure and success.

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Jamie Flynn: And skateboard
is one of those things.

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I got a lot of friends that
were like skateboarders as kids

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and are now successful in life.

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And the weird thing is skateboarding
hurts, like really hurts.

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It's not just like, Oh,
my feelings are hurt.

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Like this actually hurts your body.

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And therefore you're
like, you become tougher.

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You become more like driven to
get what you need to do, you know?

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And you do see people quit skateboarding.

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And I did watch that when I was
growing up, like, Oh, this is too much.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I remember just being like,
no, this isn't too much.

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This is awesome.

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Travis Bader: But you
were like a badge, right?

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You've got a broken arm and you've got
scabs all up and down your arms and legs.

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And that's a part of the, uh, I guess
the, uh, the bravado or the pads

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that you can wear with skateboarding.

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I know I've, I got a electric
skateboard that I ride around on.

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That's a lot of fun.

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And, uh, a couple of long boards.

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And this summer I thought, you know what?

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I'm going to learn how
to do it ollie properly.

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Still working on it.

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Doesn't look good, but, uh, but working on

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Jamie Flynn: it.

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It doesn't have to look good.

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You just got to be doing it.

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You just

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Travis Bader: got to do it.

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So then, uh, so nine years old, I
had got into high school, started

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skating and you said, I know what
I want to do, I want to enlist.

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Jamie Flynn: Yeah, well, yeah, I wanted
to, it's weird, I wanted to be a Marine

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first, just because I come from this
Marine town, and that's disgusting,

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I'm really, I'm disgusted that I
literally even said that out loud.

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I'm so glad I made a mistake.

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Uh, no, I, I kind of like deal is
actually like where the Marines

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used to be in, in England.

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Um, so that was, you know, where I wanted
to, why I want to do, cause all these

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adults and all, when I was in the cadets
and everything, they were all Marines.

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And I was like, yeah,
this is what I want to do.

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And I couldn't, I wasn't.

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You know, I was 15, I couldn't put on
the weight, you know, that they required.

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And I was like, wow, this is,
this is just not going to happen.

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And then I watched a movie called Bravo 2.

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0.

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Oh, yes.

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And the whole, which is a long story.

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Cause actually now I'm friends with
Chris now nowadays, but it's quite

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interesting how like that movie gave
me like an insight of wanting to join.

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And then on there, some, you know,
one of the guys was an ex para and.

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I looked into it, read the books
and I was addicted to like reading

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all those books at the time.

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Totally.

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The power books started to come up
and then band of brothers came on and

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I was like, well, you know what, like
you've seen saving private Ryan, they

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get off the boat and they all died,
shoot, get shot out off the boat.

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Or you get the guys jumping in the
parachute and she's like, I don't

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know, 8% of those actually land.

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I was like, Hey, I was like, Hey, you
know, and you get jumped from the sky.

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Um, but the problem was around that time
I was like, I didn't like roller coasters.

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Right.

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I didn't like, like, how am
I going to do this adrenaline

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filled life and be a soldier.

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And, you know, when I'm
scared of everything.

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Right.

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And that I had no idea
what it's going to do.

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So you were a cadet

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Travis Bader: at what age?

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Jamie Flynn: Uh, 12 or something, 13.

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Travis Bader: Yeah.

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And then you had your.

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Pushed a bit, some challenges through the
cadet system and a bit of a flavor for

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what the, um, uh, the forces look like.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Flynn: The soldier
inside of it was interesting.

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Like, you know, I knew I, part of me
knew as a kid, like this isn't what

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soldier is like, you know, but the
other kids that I was with believed it.

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And I was like, I was like, yeah, I
can buy into this a little bit, but the

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reality of life is a little bit different.

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And maybe that's where like, Being
younger and having that, that, that

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crap upbringing, especially from the
council states, like you have a real

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understanding of be a bit more streetwise
than the nice people from deal.

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Right.

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You know?

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So I, I come from my, my mindset
was slightly different anyway.

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Um, and then when I spoke to one of the
Marine guys, but you know, the cadets

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instructors about it, I was like, well,
what is it actually like, like, it can't

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be just running around shooting guns all
the time because like, we're not a war.

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Travis Bader: So, uh, I guess you
went to the recruiting office.

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Did they give you one of those,
uh, train passes to go down and

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spend a weekend with the, uh.

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With the regiment and
see what it's all about.

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No,

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Jamie Flynn: I actually did this.

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We had to do work experience at school.

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That's part of the thing in the UK.

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You have to do, uh, like a few
days work experience with something

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to graduate when you're 16.

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Um, and I managed to get my way
into the, uh, to the PWRR, or

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what we like to call PW ha ha.

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No, they were, they were
the local regiment and they

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had this work experience.

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So we go out on like a, a week exercise
with them and learn about soldier.

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And I was like, now this
is more like, this is, a.

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Big boy game now and, and all
the guys there were running us

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around and, you know, just doing
field craft and basic stuff.

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And I was like, okay, this is,
this is actually what I want.

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So, and then every time I kept saying
like, oh, I want to be a power.

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I want to be a Marine.

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They were just like, they laughed at me.

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Yeah.

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And I was like, why are
you laughing at a kid?

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I've read the books.

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Go on.

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Yeah.

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I was like, how hard can it be?

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Yeah.

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And they then made us do this
like mile and a half run.

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Yeah.

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And the paras thing is like
nine thirties, like the cutoff.

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And I think when I did the work
experience, I was way over that.

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Okay.

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Like way over.

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And, and they were like, so
you want to be a para, but you

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can't even make the basic time.

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And I was like, yeah, yeah.

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Nope.

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Yeah.

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And then I went home and I was pretty
distraught and said to my parents, this

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is, you know, how am I going to do this
if I can't even make the basic time?

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And uh, we looked up a triathlon club,
um, and yeah, I, I just didn't stop.

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I was so focused on running this,
this mile and a half, uh, that got

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it down pretty quick to nine minutes.

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Yeah.

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And I would go do the PT or our PE lessons
would always be at the top of a hill.

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So we'd have to run, like walk from
the bottom of the hill to the field.

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And then we'd play football or rugby
or whatever we're doing for PE.

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And I decided that I'm now going
to run this hill every day for PE.

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And I convinced one of my friends, David
to, I was like, Hey, this is a good idea.

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Do you want to do it?

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And he's just like, No.

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They're trying to get these like
15 year old kids to come running

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with me and um, anyway, like he,
he was, he was like, yeah, okay.

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And then did it a couple of times a week
with me and then the rest I did it on my

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own and over time I think I gained my.

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Cardio up and, uh, went to the
gym and I started playing rugby

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a lot more, uh, That'll help.

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Yeah.

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A lot of, and then
skateboarding harder and longer.

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And I think all these things added
up to eventually when I did go to the

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recruiting office and, and go in, I walked
in, I was like, I want to be a para.

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I was like, Oh, thanks.

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Like, why is everyone laughing at me?

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And bear in mind, like I was super skinny.

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I was probably like 70 pounds, piss wet
through, you know, it was just like it.

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You know, you, you didn't
wait, you didn't look like it.

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It was like, I didn't really
look that tough or anything.

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And they were like, okay, if you,
if that's what you want to do.

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And they, you're in the UK, they make
you pick three different regiments.

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Yeah.

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To, uh, where you want to go.

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So like whatever your first, second.

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choice.

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And I was like, well, I
just want to be a parrot.

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So I put first battalion, parachute
regiment, second battalion,

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parachute regiment, third
battalion, parachute regiment.

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That's awesome.

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Um, they were like, you can't do that.

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And I was like, I just did.

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And they were like, okay, here, whatever,
you know, go down and see what you can do.

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And when you, you know, when you don't
make that grade, um, we can always

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come back and change those answers.

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And I was like, wow, that's.

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Yeah.

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Thanks for the support.

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Yeah.

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I was like, why are you not supporting?

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They're like, but you could do
PWRR, that's your local regiment.

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And this is, and they were very
pushy on, on me joining that unit.

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And they go, you can always go through and
do P company the other way and, you know,

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do it later on and become a para that way.

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And I was just like, well, there's
no way a unit that selects its

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members are ever going to accept
people from a different regiment.

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Right.

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And I realized that, you know.

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Travis Bader: They're just
feeding you a line just to

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get you where they want to do.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Flynn: And I was
like, nah, you know what?

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I'm going to stick with my guns.

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I'm going to be like, I
just want to be a power.

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So yeah, went down to per bright
and did our two or three day little.

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And yeah, I wasn't at the front and
I wasn't at the back, I was in the

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middle, but I made the grade and yeah,

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Travis Bader: and it's like your doctor,
you go to the doctor's office, you look

00:15:48.965 --> 00:15:52.065
on the wall, are they top of the class
or they just squeak through, they all

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get the same certificate on the wall.

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Yeah.

00:15:54.435 --> 00:15:57.285
Jamie Flynn: Well, I definitely, uh, I was
shocked cause everyone was older than me.

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I was 16.

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Yeah.

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I was definitely just like eyes wide open.

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Like this is insane.

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Travis Bader: Did you have a
goal in mind or you wanted to go?

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I mean, like after reading the immediate
action, Bravo two zero tape books,

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standby, standby, whatever it was sass in
the, in the, uh, the lights or something

00:16:17.685 --> 00:16:18.065
Jamie Flynn: like that.

00:16:18.095 --> 00:16:21.855
Yeah, I'd say like, you know, trying
to get in the SAS was probably one of

00:16:21.855 --> 00:16:27.275
those goals, but I think every soldier
who joins has that goal quietly,

00:16:27.285 --> 00:16:28.799
secretly in the back of their head.

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Um, and then the reality comes
in later on in your career.

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Okay.

00:16:35.570 --> 00:16:40.980
Travis Bader: Um, so three pair
and that, so you said SFSG, would

00:16:40.980 --> 00:16:43.990
that be what three pair is, or is
that a separate group within three

00:16:43.990 --> 00:16:44.290
pair?

00:16:44.729 --> 00:16:44.949
Jamie Flynn: No.

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So when I joined SFSG didn't
exist, um, we just had the three

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battalions in our reserve battalion.

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Um, and we just, as you go through our
basic training, which is six months of

00:16:57.870 --> 00:17:02.125
just training Randomness is the only way
I could describe it because it did seem

00:17:02.125 --> 00:17:08.504
like it sets you up as very physically
demanding and, and every day was crazy.

00:17:08.514 --> 00:17:11.385
They'd wake you up at three in the
morning, two in the morning, screaming

00:17:11.385 --> 00:17:15.224
at you, just having you like box each
other in the middle of the night,

00:17:15.244 --> 00:17:18.935
boxes, like we used to have like one
man, one mattress used to get shouted

00:17:18.935 --> 00:17:22.285
a lot and everyone used to jump out
of bed, grab their mattress and then

00:17:22.285 --> 00:17:26.354
you'd stand against the wall and take
it up and someone else would punch it.

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There was a lot of stuff that was there.

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We had corridor Olympics that was, they'd
have like four abreast in a little tiny

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corridor trying to race each other.

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Like there was some random stuff
like, uh, even, you know, around

00:17:42.570 --> 00:17:45.990
this time, Bravo, like I said, not
brothers, a band of brothers was on.

00:17:45.990 --> 00:17:48.550
So there's a really funny scene
in that movie that will stick.

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To me, to this day, and it was when they
got spaghetti and they went down and they

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ate it all and then they ran up the hill
and everyone was puking on the way out.

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And I'm pretty sure my instructors must
have just watched that because they

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were like, we're going to recreate this.

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Like I'm pretty sure that's
what they were doing.

00:18:04.890 --> 00:18:05.320
Fun.

00:18:05.739 --> 00:18:08.239
Because one night we had spaghetti.

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And I'm looking in it and I
was like, oh, this is sexy.

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And the first guys came through.

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And as we're coming into the line of the
cook house, they're dumping food on us.

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And when they got to the end of
the line, the first guys just

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had their food dumped in the bin.

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So they didn't actually eat anything.

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And I was like, whoa, that's weird.

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And then they were told to run outside.

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So the first couple of guys in
the line didn't get any food.

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So I was just like, as soon
as it got dumped onto my

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plate, I just started eating.

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Yeah.

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And we got to the lane and then just
got dumped out and I grabbed an apple.

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Yeah.

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That was just that I ran
outside and gave it to my buddy.

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He was the first one.

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Yeah.

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And I got caught doing that.

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Whoops.

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Yeah.

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They, oh, they were like, what
do you think you're doing?

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Uh, just stood there and
they were like, no, no.

00:18:57.800 --> 00:18:58.520
What were you doing?

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I was like, Oh, I did.

00:19:00.470 --> 00:19:03.060
I saw that he didn't eat
and I grabbed him an apple.

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That's stealing.

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Oh yeah.

00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:05.939
That's stealing.

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And I'm like, Oh fuck, here we go.

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Yeah.

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It's the next thing is we're
all push up position down.

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We're waiting for everyone to think
everyone else is doing the same thing now

00:19:14.510 --> 00:19:18.700
like eating their spaghetti as we go And
we're all doing push ups outside waiting

00:19:18.700 --> 00:19:22.780
for the last ones to come out and they're
like no one ever steals from us You know,

00:19:22.860 --> 00:19:26.740
and I was like, okay And I thought there
we go Now next thing is we go to this hill

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and we're just like running up and down
this hill all night while everyone pukes

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Yeah, and at that time it felt like it was
my fault because I was the one who stole

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Yeah, theft, that's what it's called.

00:19:38.460 --> 00:19:38.850
Yeah.

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So now it's like, it's
not, it's not my fault.

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Like they had a reason to punish us.

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Yeah.

00:19:43.750 --> 00:19:44.750
And I was that reason.

00:19:44.750 --> 00:19:45.090
So.

00:19:45.219 --> 00:19:46.039
Gotta love those mind

00:19:46.040 --> 00:19:46.170
Travis Bader: games.

00:19:48.420 --> 00:19:50.870
Jamie Flynn: And there was, there
was times where, you know, throughout

00:19:50.870 --> 00:19:53.480
the, you know, my training, that
they would try and get rid of people.

00:19:53.910 --> 00:19:57.290
You realize there was so many people
wanting to be paras, they need to weed

00:19:57.290 --> 00:20:02.049
it down to, before we get to week 19,
which is P company, um, which is a

00:20:02.330 --> 00:20:05.950
bunch of tests, but they need to weed
that, those numbers down and, uh, and

00:20:05.950 --> 00:20:07.980
separate the, the men from the boys.

00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:12.520
And all the way through, you'd
have people just leave randomly.

00:20:12.530 --> 00:20:15.450
You come back to the block after
doing some PT and there's like.

00:20:15.835 --> 00:20:19.145
Two beds missing, you know, or
two bed space packed up and gone.

00:20:20.285 --> 00:20:22.205
So that was a unique feeling.

00:20:22.205 --> 00:20:24.445
Cause I was, you know, I now
can't remember these guys names.

00:20:24.445 --> 00:20:26.535
And I remember at the time that they
were really good friends of mine.

00:20:26.885 --> 00:20:27.535
Right.

00:20:27.584 --> 00:20:32.015
You know, and that's weird in my mind is
like, fuck, I don't remember those names.

00:20:32.225 --> 00:20:33.415
Travis Bader: Well, you've
heard of, you've heard of

00:20:33.455 --> 00:20:35.175
type one fun, type two fun.

00:20:35.225 --> 00:20:35.535
Yeah.

00:20:35.535 --> 00:20:35.925
Okay.

00:20:35.925 --> 00:20:37.995
So this sounds like type two fun.

00:20:37.995 --> 00:20:40.895
Like you can look back with fond
memories and say, look, there was a

00:20:40.895 --> 00:20:42.365
good challenge and I made it through it.

00:20:42.675 --> 00:20:45.935
But while you're doing it at the time,
did you recognize this as something

00:20:45.935 --> 00:20:48.955
that you enjoyed or did you hate the,

00:20:48.955 --> 00:20:49.475
Jamie Flynn: uh.

00:20:49.675 --> 00:20:50.695
No, I hated this.

00:20:50.965 --> 00:20:54.485
Like every single moment, like I

00:20:54.485 --> 00:20:55.195
Travis Bader: hated this.

00:20:55.265 --> 00:20:58.335
So how did you mentally
prepare yourself for each day?

00:21:00.094 --> 00:21:05.135
Jamie Flynn: Uh, I just woke up and I
was like, okay, just get through the day.

00:21:05.660 --> 00:21:11.030
And it was just one day at a time
and six months, uh, it's just like,

00:21:11.090 --> 00:21:12.630
okay, another day, another day.

00:21:12.690 --> 00:21:14.760
And it's just like, I was
like, eventually, you know,

00:21:15.009 --> 00:21:16.460
these days will all be done.

00:21:17.009 --> 00:21:18.830
Like I can't be here forever.

00:21:19.170 --> 00:21:19.450
Right.

00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.489
Even though at the time I remember
like I was 16, it feels like

00:21:22.490 --> 00:21:23.439
I'm going to be here forever.

00:21:24.209 --> 00:21:25.359
Travis Bader: That's a
big part of your life.

00:21:25.380 --> 00:21:26.140
Six months at

00:21:26.140 --> 00:21:26.720
Jamie Flynn: 16.

00:21:26.730 --> 00:21:27.020
Right.

00:21:27.050 --> 00:21:28.300
But it was even, it's different to that.

00:21:28.310 --> 00:21:31.870
Cause I was actually, uh, we have a
thing called army foundation college.

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So we're actually.

00:21:33.025 --> 00:21:35.625
When I first joined, I didn't
go straight to the depot.

00:21:36.305 --> 00:21:36.505
Yeah.

00:21:36.505 --> 00:21:39.865
I actually went to this army
foundation college in Harrogate.

00:21:40.135 --> 00:21:40.425
Yeah.

00:21:40.475 --> 00:21:44.074
And we spend a year there learning
how to soldier, try and build up our

00:21:44.115 --> 00:21:47.015
academic, you know, qualifications.

00:21:47.015 --> 00:21:48.255
You're only 16 years old.

00:21:48.924 --> 00:21:49.034
Yeah.

00:21:49.035 --> 00:21:51.845
So they put us through some
schooling and whatever else.

00:21:51.845 --> 00:21:53.695
And at that time is.

00:21:54.125 --> 00:21:55.055
It's a year long.

00:21:55.345 --> 00:21:58.615
And then at the end of that year,
then you've got another period

00:21:58.625 --> 00:22:01.565
to go to the depot and actually
be an adult soldier as well.

00:22:02.074 --> 00:22:03.645
So it's almost like a year
and a half of training.

00:22:05.145 --> 00:22:09.085
So even though the first part of the
year, the college isn't as difficult,

00:22:09.555 --> 00:22:10.805
you were expected a lot more.

00:22:11.445 --> 00:22:16.385
Um, because if you said, oh, I want to
be a para, the standards, like you have

00:22:16.385 --> 00:22:20.235
to be at this level all the time, but how
do you be at a level for an entire year?

00:22:21.145 --> 00:22:21.475
Yeah.

00:22:21.525 --> 00:22:22.334
You feel like giving up?

00:22:22.855 --> 00:22:26.925
Uh, plenty of times, like during
the Harrogate phase, I never

00:22:26.955 --> 00:22:32.385
thought about giving up because
Nothing was like too crazy hard.

00:22:33.145 --> 00:22:33.425
Yeah.

00:22:33.455 --> 00:22:36.735
And during that time I had, uh, an
instructor there called Brian Budd.

00:22:37.415 --> 00:22:40.804
Um, Brian Budd later on went
on to win a Victoria cross and

00:22:40.804 --> 00:22:42.345
he was actually my instructor.

00:22:42.345 --> 00:22:47.825
And every single day he would come in and
he was very like stoic and, and would say

00:22:47.825 --> 00:22:52.334
something, you know, inspiring, inspiring.

00:22:52.344 --> 00:22:52.885
You're just like.

00:22:53.485 --> 00:22:59.505
Wow, how do you, how are you so fucking
cool, but you know, and it was like

00:22:59.505 --> 00:23:03.935
a figure that would then mentor you
through and it wasn't as aggressive

00:23:03.954 --> 00:23:08.945
as depo and then I went to depo and
and then it's a different ballgame.

00:23:08.945 --> 00:23:10.984
They like trying to get rid of you, yeah.

00:23:11.404 --> 00:23:16.554
So the AFC is trying to build you up
to be a soldier from a 16 year old boy

00:23:16.554 --> 00:23:19.804
and, and depo is trying to destroy you
and try and get you out of there so

00:23:19.804 --> 00:23:24.455
they can select who they want out of
their, you know, selection process.

00:23:24.615 --> 00:23:27.415
Travis Bader: Were there any pieces
of wisdom that you were given or that

00:23:27.415 --> 00:23:29.464
you had that helped you through that?

00:23:30.605 --> 00:23:32.385
Jamie Flynn: Just every,
you know, one day at a time.

00:23:32.955 --> 00:23:33.445
That's it, eh?

00:23:33.795 --> 00:23:33.995
Yeah.

00:23:33.995 --> 00:23:35.625
I just remember that
just one day at a time.

00:23:36.255 --> 00:23:40.085
And that's probably what stuck with me
in depo until I did want to give up.

00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:45.760
Now, our crew or our depot crew,
when, when they, when you wanted to

00:23:45.760 --> 00:23:47.860
leave, you could leave at any time.

00:23:48.380 --> 00:23:50.800
You just had to fill out a
McDonald's application form.

00:23:53.290 --> 00:23:53.769
I love it.

00:23:54.340 --> 00:23:54.660
Yeah.

00:23:54.660 --> 00:23:57.020
And I was like, this
is psychological abuse.

00:23:57.020 --> 00:24:00.539
And to be honest, out of everything
that was hard, it was signing that

00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:03.979
bit of paper to go to McDonald's
was actually the one thing that

00:24:04.329 --> 00:24:05.989
kept me from not wanting to do it.

00:24:06.424 --> 00:24:07.414
That's interesting.

00:24:07.475 --> 00:24:11.504
And I remember going, I
didn't sign the paperwork.

00:24:11.995 --> 00:24:12.205
Yeah.

00:24:12.264 --> 00:24:12.594
Yeah.

00:24:12.715 --> 00:24:16.475
And I, what, there's another thing
you see that used to hang from

00:24:16.475 --> 00:24:18.774
a, um, you know, pull up bar.

00:24:18.824 --> 00:24:19.234
Okay.

00:24:19.284 --> 00:24:22.644
So you'd knock on the door, you know,
I want to leave corporal and they're

00:24:22.644 --> 00:24:27.154
like up on the bar, up on the bar
and then read through your McDonald's

00:24:27.154 --> 00:24:29.455
application form to make sure you're good.

00:24:29.634 --> 00:24:30.764
So were you up on that bar?

00:24:30.884 --> 00:24:31.824
I was up on that bar.

00:24:31.985 --> 00:24:32.664
How many times?

00:24:32.850 --> 00:24:33.330
Once.

00:24:33.340 --> 00:24:33.769
Okay.

00:24:34.029 --> 00:24:36.080
Uh, but I didn't fill out the
McDonald's application form.

00:24:37.470 --> 00:24:38.570
And they were like, you
haven't done anything.

00:24:38.570 --> 00:24:40.050
I was like, I want to leave.

00:24:40.560 --> 00:24:41.409
And I, I didn't fill it.

00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:43.540
And so they're like shouting at me,
like, what the hell are you doing?

00:24:45.020 --> 00:24:46.470
They're like, Flynn, get away, fuck off.

00:24:46.770 --> 00:24:47.300
Yeah.

00:24:47.369 --> 00:24:48.560
And I was like, okay.

00:24:48.679 --> 00:24:50.229
So I go to the bar and ran off.

00:24:50.659 --> 00:24:54.899
And then I got, uh, shouted
down that evening and it

00:24:54.899 --> 00:24:56.280
was Brian Budd on the phone.

00:24:57.260 --> 00:24:57.649
Yeah.

00:24:57.879 --> 00:25:00.359
And he was like, what
the fuck are you doing?

00:25:01.099 --> 00:25:01.349
And I was like.

00:25:02.045 --> 00:25:03.085
I want to leave corporal.

00:25:03.155 --> 00:25:03.785
He's like, why?

00:25:04.834 --> 00:25:05.955
He's like, Oh, it's too hard.

00:25:05.995 --> 00:25:06.495
It's too hard.

00:25:06.495 --> 00:25:07.364
We talked about it's too hard.

00:25:07.374 --> 00:25:07.925
Of course it's hard.

00:25:07.935 --> 00:25:10.144
Like, you're going to be in
power without it being hard.

00:25:10.624 --> 00:25:10.834
Yeah.

00:25:10.834 --> 00:25:12.764
He goes, you managed to do Harrogate.

00:25:12.765 --> 00:25:15.094
And I think you're, you
know, you'll be good enough.

00:25:15.145 --> 00:25:16.815
Just, you got to believe in yourself.

00:25:17.235 --> 00:25:19.144
And he goes, uh, just
look up at the corporal.

00:25:19.494 --> 00:25:23.745
I looked up at the corporal and my
application to leave, he just ripped up.

00:25:24.695 --> 00:25:29.935
And, and I was like, Oh, he goes,
uh, and then the phone hung up.

00:25:30.530 --> 00:25:31.080
Awesome.

00:25:31.150 --> 00:25:31.840
And that was that.

00:25:32.050 --> 00:25:36.630
So to this day, the reason I was still
in paradepo is because of bright bud.

00:25:37.010 --> 00:25:37.270
Wow.

00:25:37.310 --> 00:25:38.380
And, uh, yeah.

00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:41.130
And then my instructor at the
time, and he just looked at me

00:25:41.130 --> 00:25:42.349
and he was like, Flynn, fuck off.

00:25:42.740 --> 00:25:43.160
That is

00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:43.460
Travis Bader: cool.

00:25:43.509 --> 00:25:43.649
And

00:25:43.750 --> 00:25:44.670
Jamie Flynn: so that's stuck with you.

00:25:44.820 --> 00:25:45.559
That's stuck with me.

00:25:45.560 --> 00:25:46.849
And I, and I remember that day.

00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:51.210
And that's probably my weakest
moment I've ever been in my

00:25:51.210 --> 00:25:54.530
life of failing and giving up.

00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.929
And from that moment, I didn't, I
was like, I'm also pretty young, you

00:25:59.270 --> 00:26:04.600
know, and I'm like, well, I'm not
even allowed to quit how I'm meant

00:26:04.600 --> 00:26:05.730
to quit if I'm not allowed to quit.

00:26:05.780 --> 00:26:08.600
And that, that psychological
thing stayed in my head.

00:26:08.600 --> 00:26:11.030
And I was like, well, I'm
not even allowed to quit.

00:26:11.310 --> 00:26:12.250
Isn't that interesting?

00:26:12.260 --> 00:26:15.600
And then I just went day by day
and I better get through this then.

00:26:16.784 --> 00:26:19.475
Travis Bader: Isn't that interesting
if quitting is an option that's on

00:26:19.475 --> 00:26:22.915
the table, okay, it's always sitting
there in the back of your head.

00:26:23.085 --> 00:26:25.914
If they take that option away, you
have no choice, but to continue

00:26:25.915 --> 00:26:28.135
pushing through and things get easier.

00:26:28.435 --> 00:26:29.034
Jamie Flynn: Oh, they do.

00:26:29.034 --> 00:26:32.665
And I, like I gave up in the
mindset of like, I'm going to quit.

00:26:32.674 --> 00:26:34.304
And I just went day by day.

00:26:34.304 --> 00:26:37.985
And, and the only other thing
that stayed in the back of

00:26:37.985 --> 00:26:40.014
my head is they can fail me.

00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:43.469
So it's got to be them now who fail me.

00:26:43.879 --> 00:26:44.299
Yeah.

00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:47.059
And in my mind I was like, well,
I'm still scared of roller coasters.

00:26:47.090 --> 00:26:49.879
I still haven't done any, you
know, and I'm going to have to

00:26:49.879 --> 00:26:51.100
parachute at the end of this course.

00:26:51.985 --> 00:26:54.425
Like, how am I going to learn
to parachute when I'm petrified?

00:26:54.435 --> 00:26:56.034
And that, that stuck in my mind too.

00:26:56.514 --> 00:26:59.335
And I was like, well, the only
thing I got going for me is that

00:26:59.335 --> 00:27:03.014
they, they fail me and they, uh,
they let, they don't want me.

00:27:03.155 --> 00:27:05.445
Travis Bader: Were you kind of
secretly hoping when things got

00:27:05.445 --> 00:27:08.454
really hard, that maybe they would
fail you and that'd be an easy way

00:27:08.454 --> 00:27:08.674
Jamie Flynn: out?

00:27:08.865 --> 00:27:10.384
Yeah, sometimes.

00:27:10.464 --> 00:27:10.744
Yeah.

00:27:10.945 --> 00:27:14.305
Like when it was cold, wet,
hungry, miserable, it's snowing,

00:27:14.544 --> 00:27:16.605
I was dug into a trench and.

00:27:17.010 --> 00:27:18.290
You know, you're just
like, what am I doing?

00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:19.740
Well, why am I even here?

00:27:20.270 --> 00:27:20.580
Yeah.

00:27:20.630 --> 00:27:22.440
And you're like, well, they might fail me.

00:27:22.700 --> 00:27:26.370
And that it's just one of those things.

00:27:27.150 --> 00:27:29.650
And I, but I refuse to lower my effort.

00:27:31.139 --> 00:27:33.149
So it's like, yeah, they're going to fail
me, but you know what, if they're going

00:27:33.149 --> 00:27:36.840
to fail me, I'm still going to stand there
and be like, I'm going out on my shield.

00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:40.840
They've, you know, I put all the effort
I could, but they didn't, it just

00:27:40.840 --> 00:27:42.230
wasn't good enough for their standards.

00:27:42.929 --> 00:27:46.419
And that's how it, anyway,
it backfired and I passed.

00:27:49.689 --> 00:27:50.309
Travis Bader: Oh man.

00:27:50.805 --> 00:27:56.805
So gearing up for, for jumping, they, what
they work you through gradually higher

00:27:56.805 --> 00:28:01.465
heights of zip on lines, and can I kind
of get me up to it and then out of plane

00:28:01.465 --> 00:28:03.245
on a static line or how's that work?

00:28:03.454 --> 00:28:03.704
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.

00:28:03.704 --> 00:28:06.584
So you do, during peak company,
there's a bunch of events that happen.

00:28:06.584 --> 00:28:08.664
This is our final like selection.

00:28:09.374 --> 00:28:12.165
Um, and we have to do like 10
milers, 20 milers, and there's

00:28:12.165 --> 00:28:13.145
a thing called the trinesium.

00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:18.030
Which is a 60 foot scaffolding
pole, and there's a bunch of

00:28:18.040 --> 00:28:19.260
different obstacles on there.

00:28:19.260 --> 00:28:22.680
Like an illusion jump that is like
one set higher than the other.

00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.560
So it looks further away.

00:28:24.679 --> 00:28:25.149
Okay.

00:28:25.260 --> 00:28:25.400
Yeah.

00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:28.560
And you have to just like, you stand
there and you just look straight ahead

00:28:28.950 --> 00:28:30.830
and the instructor's like, standby, go.

00:28:31.179 --> 00:28:34.070
And then you just have to, as soon
as they say go, you have to move.

00:28:34.590 --> 00:28:34.610
Yeah.

00:28:34.860 --> 00:28:39.180
If you get one, uh, hesitation,
they'll mark you once.

00:28:39.655 --> 00:28:44.055
And you have one more chance and
then you're done, you're gone.

00:28:45.175 --> 00:28:49.675
So, uh, yeah, we, we did that and I just
was like, Oh, I'm not going to quit now.

00:28:50.255 --> 00:28:51.725
So I just ran and jumped these things.

00:28:51.785 --> 00:28:54.715
I was like, well, in my mind, I'm
like, there's no way that these

00:28:54.715 --> 00:28:57.515
things are too far apart that
people can't physically jump them.

00:28:58.095 --> 00:29:00.425
Hundreds of people have done this
before me and hundreds of people are

00:29:00.425 --> 00:29:01.725
going to continue doing it after me.

00:29:01.895 --> 00:29:02.275
Right.

00:29:02.325 --> 00:29:03.605
So I was like, well, okay.

00:29:03.665 --> 00:29:05.385
And then there's one
called the Superman jump.

00:29:05.965 --> 00:29:06.335
Okay.

00:29:06.565 --> 00:29:06.905
Yeah.

00:29:06.935 --> 00:29:10.935
And it's a huge cargo net that I don't
know the distance from the actual

00:29:10.935 --> 00:29:16.555
ledge to the cargo net, but you have
to run, jump on this like seesaw.

00:29:16.604 --> 00:29:19.745
So you have to like step one
step and it puts you off balance.

00:29:20.215 --> 00:29:23.515
And these things are only like
a foot wide and you have to keep

00:29:23.525 --> 00:29:24.464
running and then eventually just.

00:29:25.115 --> 00:29:28.685
Jump off this like ledge
arm out like a superman.

00:29:28.745 --> 00:29:31.485
And then your arm goes through the
cargo net and then you just catch it.

00:29:31.574 --> 00:29:32.064
Okay.

00:29:32.614 --> 00:29:35.004
And I was like, Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:29:35.004 --> 00:29:35.894
I don't want to do this.

00:29:35.994 --> 00:29:36.774
Take some nerve.

00:29:36.945 --> 00:29:37.344
Yeah.

00:29:37.394 --> 00:29:38.304
And I remember just stood there.

00:29:38.304 --> 00:29:39.245
I did everything else.

00:29:39.284 --> 00:29:39.995
Like I was fine.

00:29:39.995 --> 00:29:43.115
You, you get up to the top,
you touch your toes and yeah.

00:29:43.115 --> 00:29:43.845
And you're like, whatever.

00:29:43.905 --> 00:29:48.070
And then this Superman job
was like, I'm gonna fail this.

00:29:48.460 --> 00:29:52.450
I just looked up and I was like,
as soon as standby, what happened?

00:29:52.450 --> 00:29:53.470
I was like, okay, ready.

00:29:54.030 --> 00:29:55.450
And I still thought I was going to fail.

00:29:55.450 --> 00:29:57.710
And then when go happened, it just
like instinctively I was running.

00:29:58.620 --> 00:30:01.000
And I was like, well, I
guess the training works, I

00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:01.550
Travis Bader: guess so,

00:30:02.970 --> 00:30:03.760
Jamie Flynn: I guess so.

00:30:03.830 --> 00:30:06.550
And the next thing is I'm in
the air and I got my arm out.

00:30:06.580 --> 00:30:11.620
And once I left that, that moment,
it was, a thing changed in me.

00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.379
Cause after that, that week
of, uh, our selection, like.

00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.120
I didn't feel I was scared of everything.

00:30:18.330 --> 00:30:18.470
Was

00:30:18.470 --> 00:30:22.030
Travis Bader: there a disassociation
perhaps at some of these stages there

00:30:22.030 --> 00:30:25.789
where you're just, you just have to
disassociate the mind from what you're

00:30:25.790 --> 00:30:30.290
actually doing until you can start
combining them and enjoying the process.

00:30:30.310 --> 00:30:30.920
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.

00:30:30.969 --> 00:30:33.010
And like, I never enjoyed peak on me.

00:30:33.010 --> 00:30:33.759
I never enjoyed.

00:30:34.135 --> 00:30:34.405
Depot.

00:30:34.405 --> 00:30:38.655
I never enjoyed any of the armies, you
know, selection processes, you know, but

00:30:38.675 --> 00:30:40.795
looking back now, I definitely enjoyed it.

00:30:41.695 --> 00:30:45.275
You know, it brought me a lot more joy
than I thought it would at the time.

00:30:45.625 --> 00:30:46.005
Travis Bader: Right.

00:30:46.275 --> 00:30:47.585
So push you harder.

00:30:48.155 --> 00:30:48.565
Oh yeah.

00:30:48.674 --> 00:30:48.924
Yeah.

00:30:48.975 --> 00:30:50.474
And you have a feeling of accomplishment.

00:30:50.574 --> 00:30:51.034
Yeah.

00:30:51.805 --> 00:30:55.585
And where other people quit, you
know, when it starts getting hard,

00:30:57.275 --> 00:30:59.685
that's where people typically
end up just, okay, I'm done.

00:30:59.685 --> 00:31:00.085
I'm quitting.

00:31:00.085 --> 00:31:00.535
And that's what.

00:31:01.040 --> 00:31:03.420
It separates the ordinary
from the extraordinary.

00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:04.010
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.

00:31:04.090 --> 00:31:10.070
And it sounds bad, but I got, I got
something out of watching someone quit.

00:31:10.420 --> 00:31:10.440
So.

00:31:11.825 --> 00:31:15.025
It's almost like I felt
they're like energy.

00:31:15.535 --> 00:31:18.855
And then I just like, well, I watched
someone quit on a 10 mile run.

00:31:19.025 --> 00:31:20.385
Uh, I'll boot, I'll boot March.

00:31:20.385 --> 00:31:21.204
We'll call it tabbing.

00:31:21.205 --> 00:31:21.684
Yeah.

00:31:21.685 --> 00:31:21.955
Yeah.

00:31:21.985 --> 00:31:25.554
And as I, as we're tabbing, I watched
someone quit, like, I felt good.

00:31:25.555 --> 00:31:29.015
It's almost like I got their boost, the
energy that they had left got into me.

00:31:29.015 --> 00:31:29.835
And I was like, okay, cool.

00:31:29.835 --> 00:31:30.465
I can go now.

00:31:30.535 --> 00:31:30.935
Well, that's cool.

00:31:30.945 --> 00:31:31.245
Yeah.

00:31:31.315 --> 00:31:33.835
And it was like, oh,
clearly it didn't happen.

00:31:33.955 --> 00:31:34.885
Well, in my mind.

00:31:34.995 --> 00:31:35.115
Did

00:31:35.115 --> 00:31:35.765
Travis Bader: it or didn't it?

00:31:35.835 --> 00:31:37.315
I mean, if you felt that.

00:31:38.015 --> 00:31:38.895
Jamie Flynn: I mean, I don't know.

00:31:38.944 --> 00:31:40.485
Maybe I just felt a bit of like.

00:31:40.810 --> 00:31:41.650
I'm still doing it.

00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:43.410
And that's a 28 year old man.

00:31:43.450 --> 00:31:44.000
Right.

00:31:44.650 --> 00:31:48.610
I'm 16, 17, you know, like this is cool.

00:31:48.690 --> 00:31:49.479
I can do this.

00:31:49.790 --> 00:31:50.000
Yeah.

00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.930
And then you watch someone else
quit and you're like, wow, he's 21.

00:31:53.390 --> 00:31:53.760
Yep.

00:31:53.930 --> 00:31:58.109
And I just kept getting the, like
the, the, the anyway I describe it

00:31:58.110 --> 00:32:01.030
as like the energy of that person
and be like, okay, I can now keep

00:32:01.030 --> 00:32:01.400
Travis Bader: going.

00:32:01.890 --> 00:32:05.510
That's pretty cool because your mind is
the thing that's going to separate you.

00:32:05.510 --> 00:32:08.440
You can go, you can endure a lot of
pain, but if you're giving up in your

00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.830
mind, It sure makes it difficult.

00:32:10.860 --> 00:32:14.340
I just think if I'm going up in
the hills and I'll just a tab, what

00:32:14.340 --> 00:32:15.580
tactical advanced towards battle.

00:32:15.610 --> 00:32:15.870
Yeah.

00:32:16.060 --> 00:32:16.220
Yeah.

00:32:16.530 --> 00:32:17.500
Just for the listeners.

00:32:17.580 --> 00:32:23.519
Um, if I'm going out in the hills
and I'm having a bad day, there's

00:32:23.520 --> 00:32:26.400
a lot on my mind and I'm having
all these fights in my head.

00:32:26.429 --> 00:32:27.149
And.

00:32:28.905 --> 00:32:32.915
I'm drained, I'm going up the hill, I'm
drained and I'm all this, everything

00:32:32.945 --> 00:32:36.285
other than what I'm supposed to be
thinking about is going on in my head.

00:32:36.295 --> 00:32:38.905
And it's a slog, but you do it.

00:32:39.204 --> 00:32:41.465
And other days you go up there
and you're present, you're in the

00:32:41.465 --> 00:32:44.994
moment and you're enjoying every
step and you're just flying up.

00:32:45.385 --> 00:32:49.305
And if you can do that to yourself,
if you're in the drain, negative

00:32:49.305 --> 00:32:52.505
nine place mindset, where you're
thinking about giving up, but

00:32:52.505 --> 00:32:53.655
Hey, someone else's gave up.

00:32:54.145 --> 00:32:56.685
I'm going to absorb their
powers or whatever it takes to

00:32:56.695 --> 00:32:59.135
have that little mind shift.

00:33:00.185 --> 00:33:02.235
I think that's a pretty cool observation.

00:33:02.505 --> 00:33:02.835
Yeah.

00:33:03.645 --> 00:33:04.175
Jamie Flynn: It's powerful.

00:33:04.654 --> 00:33:04.854
Yeah.

00:33:04.855 --> 00:33:08.225
I mean, and who knows this,
there might be a, someone else

00:33:08.225 --> 00:33:09.464
who's more intelligent than I am.

00:33:09.814 --> 00:33:14.424
Could probably tell you what that
actually is, but it's definitely one of

00:33:14.424 --> 00:33:18.414
those, like, I still feel it today, you
know, when you're hiking up the chief

00:33:18.704 --> 00:33:21.545
and you know, when someone's struggling
in front of you and then you get to

00:33:21.545 --> 00:33:23.005
overtake them and you're just like.

00:33:24.010 --> 00:33:25.820
I'm just going to walk a
little bit faster than you are.

00:33:25.820 --> 00:33:26.290
That's right.

00:33:26.330 --> 00:33:26.540
Yeah.

00:33:27.310 --> 00:33:28.050
They feel drained.

00:33:28.050 --> 00:33:29.480
They're like, how are you doing this?

00:33:29.510 --> 00:33:29.960
And you're going.

00:33:30.810 --> 00:33:33.530
Just keep going and look normal.

00:33:35.430 --> 00:33:35.860
Travis Bader: Yep.

00:33:36.170 --> 00:33:36.500
Jamie Flynn: In there.

00:33:36.510 --> 00:33:36.880
Yeah.

00:33:36.900 --> 00:33:43.140
So, uh, yeah, I, I think we all feel what
I'm trying to explain, you know, in maybe

00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:46.240
different capacities, even in the gym,
you know, you're looking over and you're

00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.220
like, okay, I'm gonna do one more rep.

00:33:48.300 --> 00:33:49.500
That person's looking at me.

00:33:49.730 --> 00:33:49.790
That's it.

00:33:50.290 --> 00:33:50.470
I do

00:33:50.870 --> 00:33:51.240
Travis Bader: running.

00:33:51.770 --> 00:33:52.150
Okay.

00:33:52.360 --> 00:33:53.050
I'm so tired.

00:33:53.250 --> 00:33:54.120
I just going to take a break.

00:33:54.150 --> 00:33:54.350
Nope.

00:33:54.380 --> 00:33:55.340
Cars coming better run.

00:33:56.650 --> 00:33:57.660
And that was always the game.

00:33:57.660 --> 00:33:59.680
And if cars kept coming,
then I never rest.

00:33:59.680 --> 00:33:59.920
Right.

00:34:00.080 --> 00:34:03.889
But if I I'm tired and there's no
cars, that was my, okay, I can, I

00:34:03.890 --> 00:34:05.250
can have a little bit of a walk now.

00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:05.530
Right.

00:34:05.550 --> 00:34:07.750
But just, uh, interesting.

00:34:08.919 --> 00:34:14.240
So when, uh, working your way,
what was your first jump like?

00:34:16.220 --> 00:34:17.140
Jamie Flynn: Oh, my first jump.

00:34:17.420 --> 00:34:17.920
Jeez.

00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:18.380
Okay.

00:34:19.850 --> 00:34:20.450
What did we do?

00:34:20.460 --> 00:34:26.225
Yeah, it was, it was out of a C130
and Yeah, it's weird because we go

00:34:26.225 --> 00:34:30.745
to, we finish our training, we do our
pass and our parade, and then, uh,

00:34:30.825 --> 00:34:34.705
you're meant to go to Bryce Norton
and do your jumps and then, you know,

00:34:34.745 --> 00:34:38.175
then you become like a winged, like
paratrooper and everything else.

00:34:38.794 --> 00:34:42.455
However, whatever was going on with
the C 130s at the time, probably

00:34:42.485 --> 00:34:45.475
budgets or whatever, there wasn't
planes for us to jump out of.

00:34:45.985 --> 00:34:47.765
So we got straight sent
straight to battalion.

00:34:48.555 --> 00:34:50.074
Now, if you go to an airborne unit.

00:34:50.395 --> 00:34:50.755
Yeah.

00:34:51.205 --> 00:34:56.045
As a young recruit with no wings,
you are now a wingless bird,

00:34:57.125 --> 00:34:58.125
so they call you a penguin.

00:35:00.825 --> 00:35:03.675
So now for months, we were
known as these fucking penguins.

00:35:06.505 --> 00:35:09.825
And it was like the moment I
thought like I've done all this

00:35:09.845 --> 00:35:12.475
process, I knew I was going to be
back at the bottom of the pile.

00:35:12.475 --> 00:35:15.715
I knew I'm going to have to like,
you know, earn the respect from the

00:35:15.715 --> 00:35:18.335
guys in the battalion, especially
ones that are already, you know.

00:35:18.660 --> 00:35:23.150
You've been to Iraq, been to Afghanistan,
or wherever they've been before, um,

00:35:23.210 --> 00:35:27.950
and I turn up and I'm just like, I
don't even have wings on my arms,

00:35:28.160 --> 00:35:32.160
you know, and now it's like, no, I
can't gain respect from anyone because

00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:33.530
I haven't even got these wings.

00:35:34.219 --> 00:35:37.330
Yeah, so we, I was in battalion
for a little while before that.

00:35:37.799 --> 00:35:39.430
We even got to go on a jump course.

00:35:39.550 --> 00:35:39.690
Yeah.

00:35:40.130 --> 00:35:40.500
Yeah.

00:35:40.530 --> 00:35:41.630
And eventually by that point.

00:35:42.135 --> 00:35:45.105
It didn't matter how scared I was a
jumper, I was like, I need these wings.

00:35:45.105 --> 00:35:45.495
Can't be a peg.

00:35:46.155 --> 00:35:47.085
I can't be a pegga anymore.

00:35:47.085 --> 00:35:49.005
Like I'm not going back to
battalion without these wings.

00:35:49.005 --> 00:35:51.705
So yeah, I don't really
remember the first jump.

00:35:51.885 --> 00:35:54.165
I do remember not enjoying it.

00:35:54.305 --> 00:35:54.595
Yeah.

00:35:54.765 --> 00:35:55.125
Yeah.

00:35:55.125 --> 00:35:57.855
As most paratroopers would tell
you, they, they hate jumping.

00:35:58.365 --> 00:35:58.485
Yeah.

00:35:58.485 --> 00:35:58.605
Really.

00:35:58.605 --> 00:35:59.235
Especially rounds.

00:35:59.565 --> 00:35:59.745
Yeah.

00:35:59.745 --> 00:36:03.705
I don't, I haven't met many power
troopers that like military jumping.

00:36:04.005 --> 00:36:04.485
Okay.

00:36:04.785 --> 00:36:07.215
Travis Bader: It's not
why it's too regimented,

00:36:07.635 --> 00:36:07.755
Jamie Flynn: you know?

00:36:07.755 --> 00:36:10.035
Well, getting in there
is fine, you know that.

00:36:11.060 --> 00:36:13.320
When the person in front of you
starts moving, you're just moving.

00:36:13.970 --> 00:36:16.420
You don't really hear
all the like standby go.

00:36:17.260 --> 00:36:20.400
Um, and you just run out the
door and you just hit it.

00:36:20.490 --> 00:36:24.500
And usually it's like 800 feet or,
you know, like operationally we can do

00:36:24.500 --> 00:36:27.229
anywhere between 600 to a thousand feet.

00:36:27.935 --> 00:36:29.035
What we do in the UK?

00:36:29.235 --> 00:36:29.255
Yeah.

00:36:29.785 --> 00:36:34.685
Uh, so I think on average we did
like 800 feet jumps and, uh, by

00:36:34.685 --> 00:36:37.415
the time your parachute's opened,
you've looked where you are, clear

00:36:37.415 --> 00:36:39.575
your airspace, lower your container.

00:36:40.125 --> 00:36:42.995
Yeah, you're almost like five seconds from
the ground now and then you're landing

00:36:42.995 --> 00:36:45.415
and you're coming down 12 feet per second.

00:36:45.554 --> 00:36:47.475
So it's like jumping off a.

00:36:47.850 --> 00:36:49.410
Really high wall, right?

00:36:49.950 --> 00:36:50.240
Yeah.

00:36:50.240 --> 00:36:54.470
No real, like nowadays when I bass
drum, like I have toggles that can flare

00:36:54.470 --> 00:36:55.970
and I can tiptoe land and everything.

00:36:55.970 --> 00:36:58.980
But, um, no, back then it's
like 12 feet per second.

00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:01.590
It's like bang feet,
knees, head, everything.

00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:01.979
Bang.

00:37:02.020 --> 00:37:02.289
That hurts.

00:37:02.289 --> 00:37:02.539
PTF.

00:37:03.380 --> 00:37:03.530
Yeah.

00:37:04.120 --> 00:37:05.000
PLF.

00:37:05.249 --> 00:37:05.469
PLF.

00:37:05.479 --> 00:37:05.819
That's it.

00:37:05.819 --> 00:37:06.059
Yeah.

00:37:06.610 --> 00:37:07.610
Parachute landing fall.

00:37:07.620 --> 00:37:08.630
But you can do it.

00:37:08.640 --> 00:37:10.290
You can practice all those PLFs all day.

00:37:10.290 --> 00:37:10.780
But like.

00:37:11.345 --> 00:37:12.465
Yeah, no, they

00:37:13.755 --> 00:37:16.295
Travis Bader: put your feet together and
that's, and then what happens, happens.

00:37:16.375 --> 00:37:16.755
Yeah.

00:37:16.875 --> 00:37:16.935
I

00:37:16.935 --> 00:37:18.915
Jamie Flynn: remember the saying,
they say feet and knees together

00:37:18.915 --> 00:37:19.925
and hope for a good landing.

00:37:19.934 --> 00:37:23.604
So yeah, that's good.

00:37:23.605 --> 00:37:27.364
I, and even at that point when I,
you know, was parachuting, I never

00:37:27.364 --> 00:37:31.914
thought that this was going to become
a major component of my life later on.

00:37:33.265 --> 00:37:33.285
Yeah.

00:37:34.175 --> 00:37:36.585
Travis Bader: So you got involved
in some counter terrorism work.

00:37:37.675 --> 00:37:42.605
Jamie Flynn: Uh, yeah, so in free
power, I went to Afghanistan in 2006.

00:37:42.615 --> 00:37:46.055
So I got my wings and I went back to
battalion and when we got told that

00:37:46.055 --> 00:37:52.184
we were going on pre deployment and
that was, uh, that was really quick

00:37:52.285 --> 00:37:56.194
and I was like, geez, okay, next thing
I'm in Oman and we're training out in

00:37:56.205 --> 00:37:57.965
Oman, getting ready for Afghanistan.

00:37:59.070 --> 00:38:01.970
Big thing at the point of Iraq
was all over the news, right?

00:38:02.020 --> 00:38:03.560
Yeah, it was Iraq, Iraq, Iraq.

00:38:03.560 --> 00:38:05.500
And I'm telling my parents
again, Afghanistan.

00:38:05.500 --> 00:38:06.750
And they're like, Oh, okay, cool.

00:38:06.910 --> 00:38:07.130
Yeah.

00:38:07.600 --> 00:38:08.560
It was no, no big deal.

00:38:08.620 --> 00:38:11.280
Like all my friends at home, like
no one really thought about it.

00:38:11.290 --> 00:38:14.869
And yeah, they're like, okay,
Afghanistan, but the, the wars in Iraq.

00:38:15.805 --> 00:38:20.005
Yeah, and it was, it was a unique thing
and we're like, well, we're going to

00:38:20.025 --> 00:38:25.395
be the first real operational tour in
Afghanistan and no one really expected.

00:38:25.584 --> 00:38:28.385
And I don't even think the battalion
expected what was going to happen

00:38:28.845 --> 00:38:31.265
because we got issued Arctic.

00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:36.980
Gear, we had like full snow white gear,
we had desert gear, we had jungle gear, we

00:38:36.980 --> 00:38:43.250
had green, like, we had bags and bags of
gear just like, wow, loaded up and we were

00:38:43.250 --> 00:38:44.640
like, what are we actually expecting here?

00:38:44.660 --> 00:38:48.389
We had woolly, I don't even know
half the stuff we got issued because.

00:38:50.120 --> 00:38:51.870
It was just stuff I'd never seen before.

00:38:51.870 --> 00:38:57.620
And, uh, yeah, we, we, we went to
Afghanistan 2006 and, and landed

00:38:57.620 --> 00:39:00.439
and anyway, it was a lot warmer
and we ended up ditching a lot of

00:39:00.450 --> 00:39:02.030
the Arctic gear pretty early on.

00:39:02.740 --> 00:39:03.190
Kidding.

00:39:03.379 --> 00:39:03.839
Yeah.

00:39:03.910 --> 00:39:09.079
So, but that, so the counter terrorism
thing all came later on in SFSG.

00:39:09.270 --> 00:39:14.640
So it was that first deployment
as a young 18 year old paratrooper

00:39:14.750 --> 00:39:18.850
was pretty unique because a lot
of things have come out of that.

00:39:19.465 --> 00:39:20.135
Things like?

00:39:20.435 --> 00:39:26.855
Things like, uh, the instructor that
I had who saved me from like actually

00:39:26.855 --> 00:39:30.705
quitting the unit, uh, actually went
on to win a Victoria Cross in that,

00:39:31.085 --> 00:39:33.955
in that deployment, the Victoria
Cross being like the highest gallantry

00:39:33.955 --> 00:39:36.825
award in, in the UK and Canada.

00:39:36.895 --> 00:39:37.435
Mm hmm.

00:39:37.575 --> 00:39:39.215
Um, yeah, he did.

00:39:40.160 --> 00:39:43.840
I think he pretty much saved
everyone in his unit that day.

00:39:44.730 --> 00:39:50.570
Um, his iconic, uh, they got
pinned down in a, in a field, uh,

00:39:50.630 --> 00:39:52.169
and eventually all went quiet.

00:39:52.830 --> 00:39:58.170
And no one knew why, uh, but with all, all
the stories of everyone who was close to

00:39:58.170 --> 00:40:03.950
him was, he stood up and charged the three
Taliban and he was found dead with his

00:40:03.950 --> 00:40:09.430
bayonet fixed three dead Taliban around
him and his unit managed to, uh, extract.

00:40:09.619 --> 00:40:14.820
So his platoon extracted, did a reorg
and, uh, found out the briar was missing.

00:40:15.020 --> 00:40:16.590
So let's go back later on to find him.

00:40:16.590 --> 00:40:17.650
And then that's where they found them.

00:40:17.750 --> 00:40:22.450
But yeah, so what a hero
he is probably like.

00:40:23.100 --> 00:40:29.430
A hero to me in many ways, um, and, you
know, I have him tattooed on my arm now,

00:40:29.490 --> 00:40:35.060
you know, so it's, you know, he's a good
memory because he's like, he's made.

00:40:36.700 --> 00:40:41.600
I think he structured my life, like when
I was in the army to where I'm at today,

00:40:42.410 --> 00:40:43.980
he was also the first ever skydiver.

00:40:45.080 --> 00:40:45.420
Yeah.

00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.730
And he was the first ever skydiver I met.

00:40:48.790 --> 00:40:49.220
Okay.

00:40:49.270 --> 00:40:49.470
Yeah.

00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:50.179
Not the first day.

00:40:51.069 --> 00:40:52.679
Um, but he was the first skydiver I met.

00:40:53.050 --> 00:40:55.759
And I remember talking to him about
it before he, like, while in battalion

00:40:56.530 --> 00:41:00.025
and then once he died, I had this
like, I was super upset, obviously,

00:41:00.025 --> 00:41:05.665
and devastated and couldn't really
control what was, you know, the,

00:41:05.675 --> 00:41:06.885
the emotions I was going through.

00:41:08.555 --> 00:41:13.175
Someone said to me, like, you need to,
like, take his, like, memory and build

00:41:13.175 --> 00:41:14.914
something, like, take something from him.

00:41:15.385 --> 00:41:17.795
Yeah, like, he, obviously, not
just a memory of, like, him

00:41:18.764 --> 00:41:20.875
making sure you stayed in the
unit, but take something else.

00:41:20.975 --> 00:41:26.135
Like, what else could you take from
him that, uh, that would benefit you?

00:41:26.285 --> 00:41:29.255
And, uh, Would keep his memory alive.

00:41:30.115 --> 00:41:32.175
And at the time I couldn't really think.

00:41:33.565 --> 00:41:37.724
And then one day I was like,
skydiving, I'm going to be a skydiver.

00:41:38.405 --> 00:41:38.825
Really?

00:41:38.855 --> 00:41:39.295
Yeah.

00:41:39.365 --> 00:41:44.885
And that's, and when I was on a different
deployment later on, I did, uh, on our

00:41:44.885 --> 00:41:48.745
R& R went down to the South of Spain and,
and learned to skydive because Brian was

00:41:49.525 --> 00:41:52.435
this skydiver that, yeah, stuck with me.

00:41:52.435 --> 00:41:52.515
So.

00:41:53.465 --> 00:41:54.385
That's really cool.

00:41:54.535 --> 00:41:54.865
Yeah.

00:41:54.865 --> 00:41:58.465
For many reasons, like this guy, this
one guy who was my first instructor

00:41:58.495 --> 00:42:01.725
in the army was like, you know, the
reason I do a lot of things today.

00:42:02.815 --> 00:42:03.635
Travis Bader: Isn't it crazy?

00:42:03.635 --> 00:42:05.975
The impact that we can all
have on people's lives.

00:42:06.174 --> 00:42:07.275
And they probably never know.

00:42:07.535 --> 00:42:08.424
They probably never know.

00:42:08.435 --> 00:42:08.945
Do you think he

00:42:08.945 --> 00:42:09.405
Jamie Flynn: ever knew?

00:42:09.485 --> 00:42:10.735
No, no.

00:42:10.744 --> 00:42:13.799
I mean, he probably knew
that, like, you know.

00:42:14.270 --> 00:42:16.790
I mean, he knew because he came
to my personnel parade when I

00:42:16.850 --> 00:42:17.780
actually became a paratrooper.

00:42:17.780 --> 00:42:22.429
I mean, he knew that that affected me,
but did he, did he realize that that one

00:42:22.430 --> 00:42:26.959
day that kept me in the unit, like stuck
with me for the rest of my life and, you

00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.819
know, helps me, um, you know, even when I.

00:42:30.895 --> 00:42:32.115
Do deal with things today.

00:42:32.115 --> 00:42:35.095
And I have young people working
under me that I can now, like,

00:42:35.345 --> 00:42:36.615
I remember that, that moment.

00:42:36.645 --> 00:42:40.055
And like, how can I have that
impact on the persons who's coming

00:42:40.055 --> 00:42:41.925
to me now being like, Hey, I
don't want to be here anymore.

00:42:42.575 --> 00:42:42.945
One day,

00:42:43.705 --> 00:42:44.944
Travis Bader: one moment.

00:42:44.945 --> 00:42:47.534
It's such a small thing for him to give.

00:42:48.864 --> 00:42:49.495
Very cool.

00:42:50.014 --> 00:42:53.765
That's something that, um, I
think that's something that we

00:42:53.765 --> 00:42:54.825
should all kind of think about.

00:42:54.835 --> 00:42:55.985
What, what are we doing?

00:42:55.985 --> 00:42:57.385
How are we conducting ourselves?

00:42:57.385 --> 00:43:01.085
How are our little actions that we
might not be thinking too much of?

00:43:01.085 --> 00:43:03.705
How is that impacting those around
us who are looking up to us, who

00:43:03.705 --> 00:43:09.765
are watching us, who, um, yeah, who,
who need that level of inspiration.

00:43:10.415 --> 00:43:10.705
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.

00:43:10.705 --> 00:43:13.655
And it's, and it's weird because it's
like, there's things that you will do

00:43:13.895 --> 00:43:17.885
and new things that you will say, and
that will stick with people forever.

00:43:18.435 --> 00:43:21.965
And I can't remember exactly what
happened, but someone said, Oh,

00:43:21.965 --> 00:43:23.325
I remember when you told me this.

00:43:24.850 --> 00:43:25.590
Wow.

00:43:25.640 --> 00:43:27.450
Uh, I used to just keep my mouth shut.

00:43:27.530 --> 00:43:29.270
I don't actually remember saying that.

00:43:29.300 --> 00:43:30.410
And was I drunk?

00:43:31.330 --> 00:43:33.190
And they were like,
yeah, but you said this.

00:43:33.190 --> 00:43:37.179
And I was like, wow, I never, never
thought you were going to act on it, dude.

00:43:38.310 --> 00:43:38.320
I

00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:39.720
Travis Bader: drunk, but
it didn't diminish me.

00:43:41.230 --> 00:43:41.680
Yeah.

00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:43.830
I usually, I'm just like, well, yep.

00:43:44.150 --> 00:43:46.840
I just, I rack my brain and I'm
trying to remember, I think it

00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.700
might be an ADHD thing trying to
remember these things because.

00:43:50.105 --> 00:43:54.345
Like I'll ask my wife, I'm like, I
don't remember all of these different

00:43:54.345 --> 00:43:55.885
events that people are telling me about.

00:43:56.235 --> 00:44:01.025
And, uh, or, uh, I think I'm
supposed to be mad at this

00:44:01.025 --> 00:44:02.225
person, but I don't know why.

00:44:02.225 --> 00:44:03.945
And she's like, oh,
here's this laundry list.

00:44:03.945 --> 00:44:04.924
I'm like, oh yeah, yeah.

00:44:04.925 --> 00:44:06.215
And I should be mad at that person.

00:44:06.215 --> 00:44:06.415
Right.

00:44:06.415 --> 00:44:09.355
But I just, I don't, I don't
retain this stuff like that.

00:44:09.505 --> 00:44:09.885
Yeah.

00:44:09.940 --> 00:44:11.290
You're like that too, eh?

00:44:11.460 --> 00:44:12.160
Jamie Flynn: Oh, a hundred percent.

00:44:12.170 --> 00:44:14.540
If it's not present and it's
not affecting me right now,

00:44:14.540 --> 00:44:15.770
it's like, it doesn't matter.

00:44:16.110 --> 00:44:20.620
You know, like people might think I
absolutely hate them, but I'm like, dude,

00:44:20.620 --> 00:44:22.389
I've not thought about you in years.

00:44:24.969 --> 00:44:26.079
That could be even worse, right?

00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:27.959
I'm like, and it's good and bad.

00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.600
It's like, I also like, cause then
I have really good friends, like I

00:44:30.610 --> 00:44:31.880
have really good friends in the UK.

00:44:32.290 --> 00:44:32.570
Yeah.

00:44:32.570 --> 00:44:34.850
And it kicks me cause I'm like,
I see him pop up on Facebook.

00:44:34.850 --> 00:44:37.040
I'm like, Oh dude, I need to message you.

00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:37.660
Right.

00:44:38.140 --> 00:44:38.690
Because I'm.

00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.050
I've been a bad friend, but
it's not, I haven't been bad

00:44:41.050 --> 00:44:42.030
because I'm like ignoring you.

00:44:42.030 --> 00:44:45.880
It's like, I'm just like,
so focused on what I've got.

00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:48.989
And I like, I lose, I need to, I need
to stay focused on what I'm doing.

00:44:49.189 --> 00:44:49.349
Yeah.

00:44:49.350 --> 00:44:49.470
So

00:44:49.470 --> 00:44:50.540
Travis Bader: it's selfish.

00:44:50.540 --> 00:44:54.650
It's well, the ADHD thing, they
say, um, Oh, easily distracted.

00:44:54.650 --> 00:44:54.949
Right.

00:44:55.010 --> 00:44:55.310
Yeah.

00:44:55.340 --> 00:44:57.030
But the other side is hyper focused.

00:44:57.030 --> 00:45:02.800
If it's something that's interesting or
inability to, uh, break focus on certain

00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:04.379
things, whatever, however you want to.

00:45:04.540 --> 00:45:08.580
Term that one, I know you and I've talked
a little bit about that in the past, I

00:45:08.580 --> 00:45:14.309
was diagnosed grade three ADHD, saw a
bunch of different people for it and was

00:45:14.350 --> 00:45:16.740
put on an experimental dosage of Ritalin.

00:45:16.930 --> 00:45:17.300
Wow.

00:45:17.659 --> 00:45:20.050
Dad was a cop and he's like, I
don't know what this Ritalin stuff.

00:45:20.050 --> 00:45:21.739
So what everyone on the
streets using, right.

00:45:21.770 --> 00:45:26.500
But, um, I was the highest dosage
of Ritalin for the province and did

00:45:26.500 --> 00:45:29.670
that up until grade seven and finally
in grade seven, I'm like, I'm done.

00:45:29.690 --> 00:45:31.550
I'm taking myself off this cold Turkey.

00:45:31.550 --> 00:45:32.670
I'm not going into grade eight.

00:45:32.670 --> 00:45:33.440
What did it do to you?

00:45:34.650 --> 00:45:38.310
Uh, well, there's two sides,
there's what I felt and there's

00:45:38.310 --> 00:45:40.010
what like the teachers would report.

00:45:40.100 --> 00:45:40.450
Okay.

00:45:40.460 --> 00:45:40.710
Yeah.

00:45:40.990 --> 00:45:44.600
So the teachers would say, did
Travis take his riddle in today?

00:45:44.600 --> 00:45:46.919
Because I can sure tell there's
something different, right?

00:45:47.380 --> 00:45:52.479
Uh, apparently it was a lot easier to
work with, um, a lot more, uh, less

00:45:52.500 --> 00:45:54.930
outbreaks, outbreaks, uh, outbursts.

00:45:54.980 --> 00:45:55.540
Um.

00:45:56.270 --> 00:45:59.370
And less disruptive in the
class when I was on the riddle.

00:45:59.370 --> 00:46:02.440
And for me, it disrupted my appetite.

00:46:02.500 --> 00:46:05.420
It made me, gave me headaches like crazy.

00:46:05.520 --> 00:46:11.429
Um, I remember going outside
at, at when school's over.

00:46:11.905 --> 00:46:15.165
And looking around, I'm like, how is
everybody able to open their eyes?

00:46:15.165 --> 00:46:16.965
I could barely see, like I'm squinting.

00:46:16.965 --> 00:46:17.995
It's so bright.

00:46:17.995 --> 00:46:21.055
How do people, and I never put two
and two together, maybe it was the

00:46:21.055 --> 00:46:24.805
medication dilating the pupils and
like, I'd stand out there forever.

00:46:24.805 --> 00:46:27.385
Just like, I could barely open
my eyes and I'm looking at them,

00:46:27.385 --> 00:46:28.674
am I getting a ride home today?

00:46:28.674 --> 00:46:29.554
Do I have to take the bus?

00:46:29.564 --> 00:46:30.225
What's going on?

00:46:31.275 --> 00:46:37.115
And, um, but, uh, And of course, in
the social side, someone would drop

00:46:37.115 --> 00:46:40.505
a Mentos or something in the class
and teachers like, Oh, whose is this?

00:46:40.525 --> 00:46:41.625
Oh, it's a smart pill.

00:46:41.635 --> 00:46:42.685
That's Travis's smart pill.

00:46:44.324 --> 00:46:47.434
So like, I don't want these smart
pills going into high school.

00:46:47.435 --> 00:46:47.735
Right.

00:46:48.284 --> 00:46:56.375
Um, but you, um, uh, what outbursts, uh,
consequences, thinking about consequences

00:46:56.375 --> 00:46:58.215
is a typical sort of ADHD thing.

00:46:58.805 --> 00:46:59.445
Um.

00:47:00.935 --> 00:47:02.585
It just didn't factor into my mind.

00:47:02.595 --> 00:47:04.915
Like how you said, well, if it's
not right here, right now, right.

00:47:04.915 --> 00:47:07.775
I can think of all the consequences
associated with this in a short

00:47:07.775 --> 00:47:12.555
term sort of capacity, but I just
do stuff and not think about how

00:47:12.555 --> 00:47:15.675
that affected my health tomorrow.

00:47:15.895 --> 00:47:17.664
If I jump off the roof today, right.

00:47:17.665 --> 00:47:19.785
If, uh, how it affects other people.

00:47:19.785 --> 00:47:21.695
So that was always an interesting one.

00:47:21.715 --> 00:47:22.505
Impulsivity.

00:47:24.585 --> 00:47:24.895
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.

00:47:25.295 --> 00:47:27.275
I can, uh, I guess I can relate to that.

00:47:30.005 --> 00:47:36.365
Um, Yeah, I, I never got diagnosed with
ADHD and only as an adult now, I'm, you

00:47:36.365 --> 00:47:39.875
know, a bunch of these ADHD, probably
because I've thought about it now it's

00:47:39.875 --> 00:47:44.135
popping up on Instagram loads, you know,
these videos and they're like, if you have

00:47:44.135 --> 00:47:47.954
ADHD, you got this, this, this, this, and
this, you're like, Oh yeah, that's me.

00:47:48.185 --> 00:47:49.284
So I start researching it.

00:47:49.285 --> 00:47:52.585
And then obviously as you research it,
more and more videos are pumped into

00:47:52.585 --> 00:47:55.335
Instagram, you know, just like, Oh yeah.

00:47:55.335 --> 00:47:55.795
And you're like.

00:47:56.270 --> 00:47:56.970
Every day you see it.

00:47:56.980 --> 00:47:57.750
Every day I see it.

00:47:57.750 --> 00:47:59.320
And I'm like, well, maybe I have this.

00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.710
And then I look at my Instagram
feed myself and I'm like,

00:48:02.120 --> 00:48:03.880
yeah, I definitely have ADHD.

00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:05.940
Like there's way, I'm doing way too much

00:48:05.940 --> 00:48:06.400
Travis Bader: stuff here.

00:48:07.020 --> 00:48:12.209
High dopamine seeking, uh, rejection,
sensitivity, dysphoria is another

00:48:12.210 --> 00:48:13.619
thing that people with ADHD.

00:48:13.935 --> 00:48:14.905
We'll experience

00:48:15.535 --> 00:48:18.185
Jamie Flynn: like I hung onto it,
like I hang on to people's sentences.

00:48:18.185 --> 00:48:22.195
Like if, if, if someone annoyed, you
know, was annoyed with me, they would

00:48:22.195 --> 00:48:26.185
say something or I don't know, it would
stick with me that sentence for like.

00:48:26.650 --> 00:48:27.310
Days,

00:48:27.420 --> 00:48:28.920
Travis Bader: that's a
rejection sensitive idiot

00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:29.310
Jamie Flynn: for you.

00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.280
And I'm just like, why am I
even caring what you think?

00:48:32.290 --> 00:48:33.570
You're an absolute idiot.

00:48:33.650 --> 00:48:37.630
Like I really, like someone said
something about me the other day.

00:48:37.770 --> 00:48:38.030
Yeah.

00:48:38.030 --> 00:48:38.360
Yeah.

00:48:38.410 --> 00:48:41.189
Or like a couple of months ago
and it stuck with me for ages.

00:48:41.200 --> 00:48:42.860
And I'm like, you're an absolute idiot.

00:48:42.879 --> 00:48:44.489
Like you're a jobs worth.

00:48:44.500 --> 00:48:46.389
Like I got no, I got no time for you.

00:48:47.099 --> 00:48:48.399
I do not care why.

00:48:48.429 --> 00:48:51.299
Like, and then I, like, luckily
when I say that to myself,

00:48:51.299 --> 00:48:52.640
it's like, that's the break.

00:48:53.110 --> 00:48:53.790
Okay, good.

00:48:53.810 --> 00:48:57.149
But I just remember like, for a long
time, it was just like, I was like,

00:48:57.150 --> 00:48:58.590
I'm getting annoyed with this person.

00:48:58.650 --> 00:49:01.020
And then when I eventually can like,
look in the mirror and be like,

00:49:01.200 --> 00:49:03.160
Jamie, this guy doesn't matter.

00:49:03.160 --> 00:49:04.799
You're like, oh yeah, that's right.

00:49:05.010 --> 00:49:05.270
Cool.

00:49:05.389 --> 00:49:06.770
And then you can move on with your day.

00:49:06.770 --> 00:49:08.750
But then these little things
stick with you all the time.

00:49:08.790 --> 00:49:09.440
Travis Bader: Yes.

00:49:10.395 --> 00:49:14.945
Yeah, the, um, learning you, you
made a post on Instagram there

00:49:14.945 --> 00:49:18.065
before about, you know, I don't, I
don't learn things traditionally, or

00:49:18.065 --> 00:49:19.514
maybe I don't learn things quickly.

00:49:19.995 --> 00:49:24.655
And that can be something that people
with ADHD will, will say or think,

00:49:24.655 --> 00:49:25.925
and it doesn't mean they're not smart.

00:49:25.955 --> 00:49:27.905
It doesn't mean they can't,
but the traditional method

00:49:27.905 --> 00:49:30.565
for teaching sometimes ADHD.

00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:35.400
We'll learn in school system isn't
set up to accommodate all these

00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:36.660
different sorts of learning styles.

00:49:37.060 --> 00:49:37.400
Yeah.

00:49:37.410 --> 00:49:41.820
Jamie Flynn: There's a, you know, like
we're too much, but like right now,

00:49:41.860 --> 00:49:45.560
when I was going through like the fire
department recruitment process, there's

00:49:45.560 --> 00:49:46.750
a lot of things you got memorized.

00:49:46.820 --> 00:49:47.250
Totally.

00:49:47.379 --> 00:49:47.909
Like memory.

00:49:47.959 --> 00:49:50.190
And I'm like, I can't memorize stuff.

00:49:50.439 --> 00:49:52.050
I have to do, you know?

00:49:52.130 --> 00:49:53.440
And they're like, Hey, what's this?

00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:57.940
And you're just like, Oh, I don't,
I don't know, just give me a little

00:49:57.940 --> 00:50:02.220
bit more time and I promise, like,
I will work my ass off to make sure

00:50:02.220 --> 00:50:03.929
that I know what you need me to know.

00:50:04.520 --> 00:50:06.700
I just can't memorize stuff.

00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:07.330
Right.

00:50:07.390 --> 00:50:07.790
Yeah.

00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.549
And yeah, that's, that's sort
of thing that I struggle with.

00:50:10.550 --> 00:50:12.759
So I feel like my learning is
definitely, I need to get hands on

00:50:12.759 --> 00:50:19.350
things and you know, it doesn't even
people who come back with the most.

00:50:20.295 --> 00:50:24.265
Interesting facts about parachutes,
and I've been parachuting for a

00:50:24.265 --> 00:50:26.465
long time, and I'm like, I have.

00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:33.490
No idea what that material made
up, like, I just know that if you

00:50:33.520 --> 00:50:37.470
jump this certain way, yeah, this
is how you need to do things.

00:50:37.470 --> 00:50:40.220
And I can tell you why, and I can
articulate now why you need to

00:50:40.220 --> 00:50:41.930
do certain aspects in the sport.

00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.259
But like, I'm not going to go down
this route of like, it's made up of

00:50:45.260 --> 00:50:47.240
this F 111 material, blah, blah, blah.

00:50:47.500 --> 00:50:48.340
I don't really care.

00:50:48.510 --> 00:50:52.190
Like it's a material that clearly someone
more intelligent than me can, can make and

00:50:52.190 --> 00:50:54.800
actually like, you know, let me do my job.

00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:58.710
Travis Bader: You know, I,
so operation Pegasus jump.

00:50:58.730 --> 00:50:59.830
I think you've, have you done that?

00:50:59.900 --> 00:51:01.280
Jamie Flynn: I just did that this, this

00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:01.580
Travis Bader: little bit.

00:51:02.150 --> 00:51:07.270
So, uh, a while back friend said, you got
to come on this Operation Pegasus jump.

00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:08.530
I'm like, well, honestly, it looks neat.

00:51:08.530 --> 00:51:12.880
You know, I'm not a big fan of heights
and, uh, but I've always wanted to do this

00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:14.939
to push myself to kind of overcome it.

00:51:15.490 --> 00:51:17.769
And what, what a perfect situation, right?

00:51:17.779 --> 00:51:21.350
And so I call up the, uh, the school
there, what Campbell river, I think.

00:51:21.350 --> 00:51:22.160
Campbell river, yeah.

00:51:22.270 --> 00:51:25.630
Call him up and he says, love to
have you Trav, but this is for,

00:51:25.810 --> 00:51:33.260
um, active and, uh, Past military
and first responders full stop.

00:51:33.700 --> 00:51:36.270
Well, I'm neither of those aside
from cadets when I was younger.

00:51:36.270 --> 00:51:36.470
Right.

00:51:36.470 --> 00:51:37.260
But that doesn't count.

00:51:37.820 --> 00:51:41.400
And, um, so I'm like, okay, damn,
really wanted to do this program.

00:51:42.065 --> 00:51:46.995
Well, how about I go, like, if I wanted
to go and just do this outside of

00:51:46.995 --> 00:51:49.305
Pegasus, is that something I could do?

00:51:49.395 --> 00:51:49.695
Oh yeah.

00:51:49.695 --> 00:51:50.245
Not a problem.

00:51:50.245 --> 00:51:51.345
We start going down that road.

00:51:51.355 --> 00:51:52.924
I'm like, okay, how tall are you?

00:51:52.925 --> 00:51:53.445
Six, six.

00:51:53.445 --> 00:51:53.945
How much do you weigh?

00:51:53.945 --> 00:51:54.545
Two 50.

00:51:54.614 --> 00:51:54.944
Hmm.

00:51:54.955 --> 00:51:55.655
You're gonna have a problem.

00:51:56.915 --> 00:51:58.284
Like you can parachute tanks.

00:51:58.285 --> 00:51:59.375
How come you can't parachute?

00:51:59.924 --> 00:52:02.815
But I guess you got to go tandem
and I'm sort of on the threshold.

00:52:02.815 --> 00:52:07.095
And so I thought, well, maybe the ADHD
kicked in, like, I don't like not being

00:52:07.095 --> 00:52:08.564
able to do things and the challenge.

00:52:08.605 --> 00:52:09.095
So I'm like.

00:52:10.245 --> 00:52:15.345
I talked to some friends who are pilots
and I said, if I picked up a parachute.

00:52:16.310 --> 00:52:17.930
And I watched enough YouTube videos.

00:52:17.990 --> 00:52:19.470
Would you let me jump out of your plane?

00:52:21.310 --> 00:52:22.160
Nope, nope.

00:52:22.170 --> 00:52:23.020
Okay.

00:52:23.040 --> 00:52:24.850
So I did the next best thing.

00:52:25.080 --> 00:52:29.830
If I can't get the plane, what
if I just jump off of land?

00:52:29.940 --> 00:52:30.290
Right.

00:52:30.310 --> 00:52:35.510
And so I picked up a, um, paraglider,
uh, got a swing Arcus two, I think

00:52:35.520 --> 00:52:39.910
they're out of Germany, uh, with a cross
reserve on the thing and I figured I'll

00:52:39.910 --> 00:52:41.480
just, I'll watch my YouTube videos.

00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:42.340
I'll get this figured out.

00:52:42.340 --> 00:52:43.499
It looks pretty easy, right?

00:52:44.530 --> 00:52:46.160
I seen Jamie do stuff like this.

00:52:46.390 --> 00:52:47.250
I know, come on.

00:52:48.050 --> 00:52:53.070
Um, and my kids are like, dad, we
don't want to see you the fastest

00:52:53.070 --> 00:52:54.640
person going down to the ground, right?

00:52:54.640 --> 00:52:59.480
We want to, we want to, uh, can
you reach out and my wife as well.

00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:03.970
So I found a fellow here locally and he
can teach paragliding as an engineer.

00:53:04.850 --> 00:53:07.550
So I'm, he sends over an
email, nice long email.

00:53:07.550 --> 00:53:10.290
And I wrote, okay, I read through all
the information he's got in this thing.

00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:12.689
And then a while later
I get another email.

00:53:12.720 --> 00:53:12.980
Okay.

00:53:12.980 --> 00:53:14.330
I'll read that one out later.

00:53:14.669 --> 00:53:17.859
Next morning I come back and I got
eight more emails on top of that.

00:53:17.860 --> 00:53:21.539
I'm like, if it was really important,
it would be an email number one.

00:53:22.680 --> 00:53:22.710
Right.

00:53:22.750 --> 00:53:23.740
So, so I didn't read any of them.

00:53:23.740 --> 00:53:24.000
Right.

00:53:24.200 --> 00:53:28.740
And, um, other than the first one and I
show up and do one of the training with

00:53:28.740 --> 00:53:32.735
them and he's, Talking about things as if
I knew what he's actually talking about.

00:53:32.735 --> 00:53:33.955
I'm like, just, just show me, right.

00:53:33.955 --> 00:53:36.835
Let's just spend a little bit of
time, super knowledgeable, super

00:53:36.835 --> 00:53:41.815
nice guy, engineer background, uh,
very, like you're saying, what's the

00:53:41.815 --> 00:53:43.064
material made out of what's this.

00:53:43.075 --> 00:53:43.935
So it's a tensile strength.

00:53:43.965 --> 00:53:45.085
How do we calculate that?

00:53:46.410 --> 00:53:51.990
So I'm finding it challenging,
but, uh, I've done a number

00:53:51.990 --> 00:53:53.740
of, uh, mountain jumps so far.

00:53:53.740 --> 00:53:59.200
And, um, I found the, uh, the most
nervy part was your first time just

00:53:59.200 --> 00:54:01.880
kind of working up to jump off the edge.

00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:04.120
Once you're up there, it's a
process of just working your way

00:54:04.120 --> 00:54:05.780
through and flying the thing.

00:54:05.780 --> 00:54:08.140
And I mean, it seems pretty damn safe.

00:54:08.140 --> 00:54:09.810
And if it isn't, I can throw a reserve.

00:54:09.810 --> 00:54:11.500
So like, what do I have to worry about?

00:54:11.500 --> 00:54:11.800
Right.

00:54:12.505 --> 00:54:17.215
Um, sounds like we've got a sort of
similar learning style in that respect.

00:54:17.445 --> 00:54:21.525
He's still having a tough time trying
to figure out, uh, figure me out.

00:54:21.565 --> 00:54:25.595
And I'm having a hard time wondering why
he charges 15 a ride up the mountain.

00:54:27.195 --> 00:54:28.685
I'm preparing you for the culture.

00:54:28.814 --> 00:54:29.535
This is what they do.

00:54:29.535 --> 00:54:31.535
They give you your, you got
to pay them for a ride up.

00:54:31.535 --> 00:54:31.735
I said, well.

00:54:32.095 --> 00:54:33.205
But I paid you for a course.

00:54:33.245 --> 00:54:35.355
Like this is anyways, I digress.

00:54:35.395 --> 00:54:35.995
Yeah, no,

00:54:35.995 --> 00:54:38.135
Jamie Flynn: it's really funny
because that's sounds similar to

00:54:38.135 --> 00:54:39.905
my, uh, how I got into base jumping.

00:54:41.124 --> 00:54:46.234
Uh, so yeah, I was in, I was in the army
and he met this guy, uh, Van Rensburg.

00:54:46.235 --> 00:54:48.315
He's a South African guy
had big post on it all.

00:54:48.485 --> 00:54:48.715
Okay.

00:54:48.715 --> 00:54:49.695
This guy called Dukes.

00:54:50.234 --> 00:54:50.364
Yeah.

00:54:50.365 --> 00:54:51.314
I didn't know him at the time.

00:54:51.544 --> 00:54:52.284
Pretty good friend now.

00:54:52.285 --> 00:54:53.644
Um, but yeah, he's this.

00:54:54.355 --> 00:54:55.955
Jump off a building, big yellow pants.

00:54:55.955 --> 00:54:57.595
And I was like, this is, that's cool.

00:54:57.635 --> 00:54:58.145
How do we do that?

00:54:58.145 --> 00:54:59.255
And he's like, Oh, I do it.

00:54:59.785 --> 00:55:00.715
I was like, yeah, really?

00:55:00.805 --> 00:55:01.865
I was like, you're a lunatic.

00:55:02.945 --> 00:55:07.354
He's like, yeah, we'll, we will set up
a bridge swing and we'll learn to jump.

00:55:07.374 --> 00:55:08.074
Yes.

00:55:08.244 --> 00:55:08.705
And I'm like.

00:55:09.160 --> 00:55:10.250
That makes sense.

00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:11.980
No, no, no.

00:55:12.090 --> 00:55:13.240
It actually doesn't make sense.

00:55:13.240 --> 00:55:16.320
Don't ever learn from the
way I learned to base jump.

00:55:16.470 --> 00:55:16.830
Okay.

00:55:16.870 --> 00:55:17.000
So

00:55:17.550 --> 00:55:19.000
Travis Bader: I did the bridge
swing stuff as a teacher.

00:55:19.770 --> 00:55:22.060
Jamie Flynn: So we, but we
then, yeah, we did the little

00:55:22.060 --> 00:55:23.880
ritual, but we, we went bigger.

00:55:24.130 --> 00:55:24.460
Okay.

00:55:24.470 --> 00:55:27.380
So we had all our ropes and we're setting
up, we're drilling anchors and we're

00:55:27.380 --> 00:55:30.710
doing all sorts of stuff in a little
town called Merthyr Tydfil in Wales.

00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:35.110
And, uh, yeah, we were practicing
jumping off this viaduct.

00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.415
And then eventually I was like, okay,
I'm going Going to learn to base jump,

00:55:38.425 --> 00:55:39.675
but I was skydiving at this point.

00:55:39.705 --> 00:55:41.735
And, you know, I had a
couple of hundred skydive.

00:55:41.735 --> 00:55:43.855
So I felt comfortable under a parachute.

00:55:44.615 --> 00:55:45.844
And then I went to the skydive center.

00:55:45.845 --> 00:55:47.205
I was like, I want to learn the base jump.

00:55:47.875 --> 00:55:49.585
Everyone's like, no, and
it's pretty old school.

00:55:49.585 --> 00:55:52.334
But then everyone was just like,
no, no, you got to be like.

00:55:53.025 --> 00:55:56.065
Sucking these guys dicks the entire
time, buying them beers all the

00:55:56.065 --> 00:55:59.425
time, going out ground crewing for
them, telling them how amazing they

00:55:59.425 --> 00:56:03.144
are, and I find it really difficult
to, you know, like, lick people's

00:56:03.144 --> 00:56:05.655
arses, like, it's not my personality.

00:56:07.014 --> 00:56:11.505
Like, I'll respect you, but as soon as you
think that you're above me, I'm like, nah,

00:56:11.535 --> 00:56:16.525
man, you know, we're good, we're good,
like, you're an equal, um, and, you know,

00:56:16.685 --> 00:56:20.045
and everyone's an equal, but if you're,
if you're gonna sit there and pretend

00:56:20.045 --> 00:56:22.330
you're above me, like, Makes it tough.

00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:23.170
It makes it tough.

00:56:23.180 --> 00:56:24.720
So I, I can't respect you.

00:56:25.150 --> 00:56:27.560
So we were, you know, everyone said no.

00:56:27.930 --> 00:56:29.129
And I was like, okay, this sucks.

00:56:29.750 --> 00:56:30.070
Yeah.

00:56:30.090 --> 00:56:31.090
And I was like, well, you know what?

00:56:31.780 --> 00:56:33.960
I'll just do it anyway,
like how hard can it be?

00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:38.720
So I watched a ton of YouTube videos
and I was like, and everyone's

00:56:38.720 --> 00:56:42.510
like, Oh, you know, I think Jamie's
probably gonna do this anyway.

00:56:42.510 --> 00:56:47.020
And, you know, someone came up
to me and it was just like, and

00:56:47.030 --> 00:56:50.069
actually a guy called Alistair,
yeah, he's a good friend of mine now.

00:56:50.189 --> 00:56:52.409
He was like, Jamie, you're going to die.

00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:54.269
I was like, well, that's funny.

00:56:54.269 --> 00:56:55.169
Cause we're all going to die, mate.

00:56:55.520 --> 00:56:55.800
Yeah.

00:56:56.060 --> 00:56:58.140
And he was just like, no, no,
you're going to die base jumping.

00:56:58.140 --> 00:56:58.564
And I was like.

00:56:59.225 --> 00:57:02.565
Probably, you know, like there's
a, there's a high chance of it.

00:57:02.605 --> 00:57:06.175
And he's like, no, no, not just
like you're going to diabetic.

00:57:06.325 --> 00:57:08.565
I'm like, you're in a diabetic
because you're an idiot.

00:57:08.565 --> 00:57:11.664
And you're going to like, you,
you don't know what you're doing

00:57:11.664 --> 00:57:13.245
and you're making a huge mistake.

00:57:14.034 --> 00:57:14.954
And I was like, are you going to help me?

00:57:14.954 --> 00:57:17.445
And he's like, no, I was
like, well, why are you here?

00:57:18.600 --> 00:57:19.920
Like if you, why are you here?

00:57:19.940 --> 00:57:20.690
Lost point.

00:57:21.770 --> 00:57:25.230
And I ignored him and I left it and
I went away and I was very driven.

00:57:25.230 --> 00:57:27.220
And I was like, how do I do this safely?

00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:29.230
So I would like skydive.

00:57:29.230 --> 00:57:31.510
And I was like, at the time I was.

00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:36.070
Already competing at a high level
in skydiving, I was on the British

00:57:36.070 --> 00:57:40.290
skydive team and I was in a, in a
discipline that is very similar to

00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:44.550
base jumping, but you still jumping out
of a plane, you know, the parachutes

00:57:44.550 --> 00:57:48.230
are packed the same, not, you know,
it's a, it's called canopy formation.

00:57:48.230 --> 00:57:51.779
So the canopies are packed differently
than normal skydive rigs, but

00:57:51.809 --> 00:57:55.460
very similar to base jumping rigs
and the canopies fly the same.

00:57:55.460 --> 00:57:58.040
And so I was like, okay,
I'm getting close to this.

00:57:58.040 --> 00:58:00.780
And eventually one day I was like,
okay, I'm going to do it tonight.

00:58:01.455 --> 00:58:03.435
So I got a friend that was in
my unit and I was like, Hey, I'm

00:58:03.435 --> 00:58:04.585
going to do that base jump tonight.

00:58:04.585 --> 00:58:05.225
I think I'm ready.

00:58:05.615 --> 00:58:09.955
And we went up to this place in Wales
and we climbed the tower and I went

00:58:09.965 --> 00:58:11.414
up and I was like, okay, this is it.

00:58:11.415 --> 00:58:12.474
470 feet.

00:58:12.725 --> 00:58:14.915
And we just, he was like, are you ready?

00:58:14.915 --> 00:58:15.635
I was like, yep, let's do it.

00:58:15.915 --> 00:58:20.444
And I just ran off the tower through
the little parachute parachute opened.

00:58:20.445 --> 00:58:21.424
And I was like, that's it.

00:58:22.075 --> 00:58:22.505
That's it?

00:58:22.525 --> 00:58:22.945
That's it.

00:58:23.135 --> 00:58:23.705
Like really?

00:58:24.065 --> 00:58:25.925
Travis Bader: Did you have to
watch out for lines or anything

00:58:25.925 --> 00:58:26.285
Jamie Flynn: else?

00:58:26.485 --> 00:58:29.115
Well, it was sort of overhung and yeah.

00:58:29.135 --> 00:58:31.674
And the parachute opened, I
was like, Oh, and now it's just

00:58:31.675 --> 00:58:32.875
like skydiving and just landed.

00:58:32.875 --> 00:58:35.755
And I was like, Oh,
that's not that special.

00:58:36.174 --> 00:58:37.095
And I was like, okay, whatever.

00:58:37.365 --> 00:58:38.155
So I grabbed my gear.

00:58:38.245 --> 00:58:38.734
I was happy.

00:58:38.734 --> 00:58:39.185
I was stoked.

00:58:39.545 --> 00:58:43.645
I went back to the parking lot and then
just turned on all the lights, packed

00:58:43.645 --> 00:58:44.975
my parachute and went and did it again.

00:58:45.565 --> 00:58:46.895
Anyway, this is a big no, no
in the base jumping world.

00:58:46.895 --> 00:58:48.225
Pack your parachute again

00:58:48.225 --> 00:58:48.605
Travis Bader: right there.

00:58:48.655 --> 00:58:49.864
Jamie Flynn: Yeah, right there.

00:58:49.865 --> 00:58:51.455
And I went and did a
second jump that night.

00:58:51.895 --> 00:58:57.094
Uh, which is a big no, no because like in
the UK it's not, not necessarily legal.

00:58:57.214 --> 00:58:57.564
Right.

00:58:57.605 --> 00:59:00.474
You're like, you should be like
getting your gear and disappearing.

00:59:00.475 --> 00:59:04.025
And there's me with all my
lights on, packing my parachute.

00:59:04.535 --> 00:59:07.085
So like the ethics went out the
window and I was like, and I

00:59:07.085 --> 00:59:08.585
didn't know anything ethics wise.

00:59:09.390 --> 00:59:11.420
People weren't jumping with me back then.

00:59:11.420 --> 00:59:14.570
And, uh, you know, I was this young
paratrooper who my shit didn't

00:59:14.570 --> 00:59:18.370
stink, you know, and I just kept,
you know, me and my buddy, we just

00:59:18.370 --> 00:59:19.610
jumped everything that we could.

00:59:19.610 --> 00:59:23.140
And we just sort of taught ourselves
and bounced off each other and, and

00:59:23.140 --> 00:59:28.090
survived the first probably year,
year and a half of base jumping until

00:59:28.310 --> 00:59:32.610
I got paid to come over to Canada
to teach a canopy formation course.

00:59:33.170 --> 00:59:40.965
So I went to Toronto and Niagara and
someone was like, Oh, you know, I'm

00:59:40.965 --> 00:59:45.745
a base jumper towards the end of my
course I was teaching in skydiving and

00:59:46.235 --> 00:59:48.095
he was just like, you're a base jumper.

00:59:48.095 --> 00:59:49.615
And I was like, yeah, because
why didn't you say anything?

00:59:50.455 --> 00:59:53.465
I was like, in my head, I'm like,
well, everyone doesn't really want to

00:59:53.465 --> 00:59:56.775
jump me in the UK anyway, because I'm
like this idiot, really doing my own

00:59:57.335 --> 00:59:58.555
thing, not really following the rules.

00:59:59.155 --> 01:00:01.535
And then he goes, yeah.

01:00:01.535 --> 01:00:04.535
And so I told him the story and he's
like, yeah, if you told me that, I

01:00:04.535 --> 01:00:05.905
probably wouldn't have taken your course.

01:00:06.145 --> 01:00:07.865
But now I've got to
know you on this course.

01:00:07.865 --> 01:00:12.945
Like I like you, I like the way you
do things and I can see how like

01:00:12.995 --> 01:00:14.195
rigid you are when you're teaching.

01:00:14.195 --> 01:00:16.895
So I'm only going to imagine this
is how you are in bass jumping.

01:00:17.460 --> 01:00:17.650
Yeah.

01:00:17.650 --> 01:00:18.640
He goes, tell me everything.

01:00:18.690 --> 01:00:22.490
And he sat me down and we had a beer and
I told him how I did it, why I did it

01:00:22.490 --> 01:00:23.890
and why I did it this way and that way.

01:00:23.890 --> 01:00:28.510
And he was just like, that makes
sense, but you're an idiot.

01:00:30.270 --> 01:00:33.610
And I was like, okay, he goes, what
we're going to do is, can you stay

01:00:33.610 --> 01:00:35.040
in Canada an extra couple of days?

01:00:35.530 --> 01:00:38.240
I was like, yeah, I can, I can
stay another five more days.

01:00:38.510 --> 01:00:41.940
So I changed my flights and he went and
borrowed a bunch of bass rigs off his

01:00:41.940 --> 01:00:46.430
friends and we went and did like four or
five bass drums a night in around Toronto.

01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:50.780
He was like, I am going to get you
to a decent level and then, uh,

01:00:50.870 --> 01:00:52.150
then you go home and do your thing.

01:00:52.370 --> 01:00:55.480
So over the next five nights,
but the one rule was he had

01:00:55.490 --> 01:00:56.630
to go to work during the day.

01:00:57.250 --> 01:00:58.010
So my job.

01:00:58.530 --> 01:01:03.520
Was packing all the parachutes
during the day, which took me a long

01:01:03.520 --> 01:01:07.520
time, you know, so on average, when
you start, it's about an hour to

01:01:07.520 --> 01:01:09.320
pack a, a base jumping parachute.

01:01:10.150 --> 01:01:11.960
So it took me a long time
to pack all these rigs.

01:01:12.130 --> 01:01:15.240
Um, and every night we'd
go out and he'd teach me.

01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:16.340
A new thing or two.

01:01:16.340 --> 01:01:19.430
And then yeah, at the end of
it, this guy, Brad actually like

01:01:19.530 --> 01:01:21.290
pretty much saved me base jumping.

01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:26.510
And UK and I had a new outlook on ethics
and, and how you should be doing things.

01:01:26.510 --> 01:01:30.010
And then I started reaching out to base
jumpers and being like, Hey, I totally did

01:01:30.020 --> 01:01:32.600
this wrong, but this is where I'm at now.

01:01:32.600 --> 01:01:35.160
And, you know, I'm trying to
change the errors of my way.

01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:35.980
Yeah.

01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:41.610
So yeah, I started off base jumping in
a completely wrong way, you know, and.

01:01:41.835 --> 01:01:44.565
You know, trying to reinvent the wheel
and the world doesn't need to invent him

01:01:44.565 --> 01:01:45.855
because it's already dangerous enough.

01:01:46.335 --> 01:01:47.245
Yeah, no kidding.

01:01:47.445 --> 01:01:52.165
Um, yeah, over time it, you know, I
changed my, my stance and then years

01:01:52.165 --> 01:01:55.855
down the line now I'm, uh, you know,
I give back once a year and try and

01:01:55.855 --> 01:01:59.635
teach someone or mentor someone and,
you know, I don't want to teach courses.

01:01:59.635 --> 01:02:05.205
I don't want to do like make this a
moneymaker, but I believe I was very,

01:02:05.205 --> 01:02:08.895
very lucky at the beginning that
now is my time to, you know, I've

01:02:08.895 --> 01:02:11.555
learned a lot of skills and a lot
of knowledge over the years now to.

01:02:12.035 --> 01:02:12.945
Finally get back to the

01:02:12.945 --> 01:02:13.245
Travis Bader: sport.

01:02:13.635 --> 01:02:14.975
Well, what happened over in Kemalia?

01:02:16.345 --> 01:02:17.745
Jamie Flynn: Oh, Kemalia.

01:02:18.745 --> 01:02:21.495
Yeah, that was, uh, that was crazy time.

01:02:22.005 --> 01:02:23.755
That was, so Kemalia is in Turkey.

01:02:24.355 --> 01:02:24.745
Yeah.

01:02:24.785 --> 01:02:30.325
Um, so around 2013, I decided that, uh,
you know, I didn't like my body anymore.

01:02:30.325 --> 01:02:33.090
And I decided to break my ankle,
femur, wrist, elbow, shoulder,

01:02:33.090 --> 01:02:34.215
and a bit of a concussion.

01:02:34.945 --> 01:02:35.685
All in one jump.

01:02:36.575 --> 01:02:38.105
Um, a lot of this, it goes into.

01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:41.470
Cockiness and, you know,
arrogance and everything else.

01:02:41.470 --> 01:02:43.920
And my ego was massive at the time.

01:02:44.020 --> 01:02:49.810
Um, and so leading up to all of this,
like, like I said, being a paratrooper,

01:02:49.860 --> 01:02:52.270
you, you get through a selection process.

01:02:52.610 --> 01:02:56.060
You are now like, you're the,
you're the best of the best

01:02:56.060 --> 01:02:57.440
that they had that selection.

01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:58.160
You watched everyone leave.

01:02:58.160 --> 01:02:59.200
You're like, well, I'm
fucking better than you.

01:02:59.850 --> 01:03:01.270
Um, I've done this course
on better than you.

01:03:01.650 --> 01:03:01.810
Yeah.

01:03:01.810 --> 01:03:04.490
And you're drilled into that,
you drilled into it all the time.

01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:05.860
Like you're better than everyone else.

01:03:06.190 --> 01:03:06.880
So cool.

01:03:07.170 --> 01:03:07.820
I believe that.

01:03:08.160 --> 01:03:08.420
Yeah.

01:03:08.420 --> 01:03:11.220
Then I got into skydiving and I
was like on the British skydive

01:03:11.220 --> 01:03:12.230
team and I'm teaching people.

01:03:12.230 --> 01:03:15.740
So I'm like, well, fuck, I'm winning
all the competitions that UK like

01:03:16.200 --> 01:03:17.380
must be better than most people.

01:03:17.450 --> 01:03:23.150
So, and then I went to 2012, I went to
the base jumping world championships and.

01:03:23.515 --> 01:03:27.185
I beat the guy that was in that
poster and the big yellow pants.

01:03:27.645 --> 01:03:30.395
Yeah, me and him were in
the, in the finals together.

01:03:31.245 --> 01:03:34.635
And that was like, I looked
at him and it was just like a.

01:03:35.270 --> 01:03:39.090
I, I joined this sport because
of your poster and now me and

01:03:39.090 --> 01:03:40.340
you are in the finals together.

01:03:40.720 --> 01:03:41.140
Wow.

01:03:41.180 --> 01:03:41.670
Gonna jump.

01:03:41.680 --> 01:03:44.350
So that was really cool.

01:03:44.430 --> 01:03:49.510
Um, so that was a year before I got
hurt and he jumped, he landed and he hit

01:03:49.680 --> 01:03:51.550
dead, or what I thought was dead center.

01:03:52.040 --> 01:03:54.190
And then I beat him by two centimeters.

01:03:54.930 --> 01:03:55.510
Wow.

01:03:55.600 --> 01:03:56.610
And that was a unique.

01:03:57.155 --> 01:04:00.725
time in my life and, you know, winning
the world championships there in Spain.

01:04:00.725 --> 01:04:05.745
And, uh, you know, I was like,
whoa, I don't know how I'm a world

01:04:05.745 --> 01:04:07.445
champion now, but I fucking am.

01:04:08.115 --> 01:04:08.615
That's fucking weird.

01:04:09.365 --> 01:04:11.795
So now I got these things that
are like building your, like,

01:04:11.805 --> 01:04:13.725
your ego into like something else.

01:04:13.745 --> 01:04:18.845
Like, you know, and eventually I
went down to, you know, Kemali,

01:04:18.845 --> 01:04:22.145
Turkey and, and they had a pontoon
in the, in the middle of the river.

01:04:22.695 --> 01:04:26.705
Yeah, and it was like an eight by
six pontoon that you got to land on.

01:04:27.990 --> 01:04:31.660
Not a problem, but we were wingsuiting out
of this little microlight, and I was like,

01:04:31.660 --> 01:04:37.750
I don't know what it would be like if the
water fills up the wingsuit if I miss.

01:04:38.370 --> 01:04:40.820
Yeah, and everyone else was like, no,
well don't miss then, just land on

01:04:40.820 --> 01:04:43.870
the top, and I'm like, And I'm like,
well yeah, don't miss, but like,

01:04:43.870 --> 01:04:45.170
my mind works in a different way.

01:04:45.850 --> 01:04:50.450
Cause I, I like to think even
every base jump I do now, I try and

01:04:50.450 --> 01:04:52.110
talk myself out of the base jump.

01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:54.410
So I'm going, what's wrong?

01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:55.070
Yeah.

01:04:55.250 --> 01:04:57.920
I need to find, I'm looking
for everything that's wrong.

01:04:58.380 --> 01:04:58.550
Yeah.

01:04:58.550 --> 01:05:02.800
But if there's nothing wrong and it's
good to go, then it's a good time to jump.

01:05:03.450 --> 01:05:06.620
Cause I've got, I've done it backwards
where everyone else wants to jump and

01:05:06.620 --> 01:05:08.590
tries to rule out everything else.

01:05:09.735 --> 01:05:10.965
The things are actually happening.

01:05:11.585 --> 01:05:11.765
Yeah.

01:05:11.765 --> 01:05:13.975
So I try and do that in a different way.

01:05:14.325 --> 01:05:17.145
And I try and teach people that way,
you know, cause it's, it's a better way

01:05:17.145 --> 01:05:19.695
to, okay, well, nothing else can do now.

01:05:19.695 --> 01:05:21.935
And now I can, now I can jump.

01:05:22.895 --> 01:05:25.495
Um, so anyway, I looked at that and I
was like, well, it's not a good idea.

01:05:26.375 --> 01:05:30.085
Um, so on the way up to where we
were going to take off, I found

01:05:30.085 --> 01:05:32.705
a parking lot and I was like,
Hey guys, I'm going to land here.

01:05:33.380 --> 01:05:36.480
And they're like, but we're filming
this show and you need to land here.

01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:37.810
And I'm like, yeah, that's cool.

01:05:37.810 --> 01:05:38.810
But I'm landing here.

01:05:39.180 --> 01:05:40.510
So do what you need to do.

01:05:40.620 --> 01:05:44.250
And they're like, well, would
you try and land on the pontoon?

01:05:45.330 --> 01:05:46.580
And I was like, well, it's parallel.

01:05:46.580 --> 01:05:47.560
And I was like, you know what?

01:05:48.735 --> 01:05:49.935
I'll open my parachute.

01:05:50.215 --> 01:05:51.215
I'll see where I'm at.

01:05:51.675 --> 01:05:51.975
Yeah.

01:05:52.005 --> 01:05:55.835
And if it, if I feel good at that
point, then I'll land and go there.

01:05:55.905 --> 01:05:57.555
But in my mind, I was
thinking I'm going to land.

01:05:57.775 --> 01:05:58.095
Right.

01:05:58.345 --> 01:06:00.515
So there was a lot of
things going on in my mind.

01:06:00.515 --> 01:06:03.155
I was like, well, I was, I was
already not committed to this.

01:06:03.795 --> 01:06:07.375
Like, why not just say, you know,
this is where I'm landing and I

01:06:07.375 --> 01:06:08.595
probably would have been okay.

01:06:08.805 --> 01:06:12.515
But then I was like mixed message in
my mind and I wasn't really feeling it.

01:06:12.525 --> 01:06:13.019
Then I got.

01:06:13.210 --> 01:06:17.580
Onto the, you know, the,
the, the morning of the jump.

01:06:17.580 --> 01:06:20.920
And funny enough, I wasn't actually
even meant to be on the jump.

01:06:21.560 --> 01:06:22.040
Yeah.

01:06:22.150 --> 01:06:24.930
That guy in the big yellow
pants dudes, it was him.

01:06:24.940 --> 01:06:25.920
Who's meant to be on the jump.

01:06:26.620 --> 01:06:29.850
So we all partied the night
before he was hung over.

01:06:30.250 --> 01:06:33.960
Um, couldn't wake him up and I
was having breakfast and they're

01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:35.300
like, who wants to fly a wingsuit?

01:06:35.300 --> 01:06:36.560
And I was like, well, I'll do it.

01:06:36.560 --> 01:06:38.500
And they're like, okay, jump on, let's go.

01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:40.050
So I forget my helmet.

01:06:40.860 --> 01:06:43.050
And we're driving up and I was
like, shit, I forgot my helmet.

01:06:43.600 --> 01:06:45.660
And they were like, you're
not making us go back.

01:06:45.660 --> 01:06:47.350
And I was like, yeah, let's go back.

01:06:47.570 --> 01:06:49.110
And I was like, no, no, you know what?

01:06:49.120 --> 01:06:49.830
It's only a skydive.

01:06:49.860 --> 01:06:50.470
Just keep going.

01:06:51.200 --> 01:06:51.510
Yeah.

01:06:51.590 --> 01:06:52.470
And then I was like, you know what?

01:06:52.490 --> 01:06:52.870
Stop.

01:06:53.460 --> 01:06:54.010
Go back.

01:06:54.070 --> 01:06:54.950
Let's go and get my helmet.

01:06:54.950 --> 01:06:55.659
Yeah.

01:06:55.660 --> 01:06:57.430
And everyone was like, Jerry,
make up your fucking mind.

01:06:57.850 --> 01:06:59.350
I was like, okay, I need my helmet.

01:06:59.460 --> 01:06:59.930
I need my helmet.

01:06:59.970 --> 01:07:00.660
So I ran back.

01:07:01.210 --> 01:07:01.530
Yeah.

01:07:01.530 --> 01:07:03.830
And I grabbed my helmet and I ran in.

01:07:03.830 --> 01:07:05.380
Everyone's like, oh,
now we're gonna be late.

01:07:05.390 --> 01:07:06.670
The wind's gonna be, it was tight.

01:07:06.670 --> 01:07:07.940
And I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry, guys.

01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:09.510
I was like, look, I'll go last.

01:07:09.955 --> 01:07:13.385
You guys go go before me make sure you
can get the windows and and if I get a

01:07:13.385 --> 01:07:17.805
window then you know, whatever So they
all jumped and land on the pontoon.

01:07:17.805 --> 01:07:18.505
There's my turn.

01:07:18.695 --> 01:07:22.845
I went up and I wasn't feeling right at
all I was like so many I have a rule of

01:07:22.845 --> 01:07:27.655
threes and I'll tell you that afterwards,
but I was already on like the fourth

01:07:27.755 --> 01:07:29.165
thing that went wrong that morning.

01:07:29.735 --> 01:07:33.275
Yeah, and I was like, well, you know,
I was fine It's just a skydive It's

01:07:33.295 --> 01:07:39.255
not really a base jump and I jump out
and my wingsuit inflated and I was

01:07:39.255 --> 01:07:40.025
like, well, that doesn't feel right.

01:07:40.915 --> 01:07:43.515
And then it was like a little
bumpy with a bit of wind up there.

01:07:43.515 --> 01:07:44.425
And I was like, well, that's all right.

01:07:44.445 --> 01:07:44.985
Like it's fine.

01:07:44.985 --> 01:07:46.085
I'll just keep flying.

01:07:46.715 --> 01:07:50.025
And then I opened my parachute
and I'm still not feeling it.

01:07:50.025 --> 01:07:53.005
Like, uh, and I'm in the middle
now of these two landing areas and

01:07:53.005 --> 01:07:54.685
I'm like, no, I'm going for the.

01:07:55.180 --> 01:07:57.370
The, the car park, like
that's what I committed.

01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:01.300
And then as I'm flying, I'm getting a
bit of turbulence under my parachute.

01:08:01.340 --> 01:08:04.750
And then my, my wing is just
like dropping lower down.

01:08:04.750 --> 01:08:06.130
I'm just like, why am I not making this?

01:08:06.130 --> 01:08:06.770
This is weird.

01:08:06.770 --> 01:08:11.380
So I looked down and I see
like this little grassy field.

01:08:12.170 --> 01:08:16.520
And it's like probably a hundred
meters short of the actual car park.

01:08:17.060 --> 01:08:17.860
And I was like, you know what?

01:08:17.860 --> 01:08:18.310
It doesn't matter.

01:08:18.350 --> 01:08:22.780
Like you're a world champion, base jumper,
you've landed on like a coin, like you

01:08:22.780 --> 01:08:23.950
can land on whatever you need to do.

01:08:23.980 --> 01:08:25.190
So I was like, yeah, perfect.

01:08:25.210 --> 01:08:27.450
So I spun it down and come into land.

01:08:27.470 --> 01:08:31.600
And as I get down to like 50 feet,
so you're like your finals coming in.

01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:33.380
I'm like, oh shit, that's
not a grassy field.

01:08:33.390 --> 01:08:34.420
That's a boulder field.

01:08:35.120 --> 01:08:35.370
Yeah.

01:08:35.400 --> 01:08:37.490
And it's got long grass coming out.

01:08:37.490 --> 01:08:39.040
I was like, oh, I got nowhere else to go.

01:08:39.090 --> 01:08:40.179
And I'm looking around and it's just.

01:08:40.280 --> 01:08:44.620
Boulders everywhere and I'm like,
Oh, so I see this huge boulder,

01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:45.750
probably the size of a car.

01:08:46.220 --> 01:08:47.960
And I was like, I'm going to go for that.

01:08:47.980 --> 01:08:49.150
I'm going to try and land on top of it.

01:08:49.290 --> 01:08:49.910
I can do it.

01:08:50.465 --> 01:08:56.185
Yeah, and it was my only real chance,
uh, came into land and there's a

01:08:56.185 --> 01:08:59.605
little bit more momentum come out a bit
more speed that couldn't wash it off.

01:08:59.605 --> 01:09:04.015
So as I like landed on this thing,
my foot slipped, went down the rock,

01:09:04.015 --> 01:09:07.915
fell in between another rock and the
momentum carried me forward while my

01:09:07.915 --> 01:09:09.635
ankle was stuck between the two rocks.

01:09:10.525 --> 01:09:14.595
So my ankle went to like snap
90 degrees and then the rest of

01:09:14.595 --> 01:09:19.215
it, like my wrist, my femur, my
elbow, my shoulder smashed my head.

01:09:19.215 --> 01:09:19.525
So.

01:09:19.970 --> 01:09:24.380
And then, you know, you're, I was a
medic at the time, so, you know, from

01:09:24.380 --> 01:09:28.020
the army, so I thought I'd look down
at my leg and I'm like, Oh, okay.

01:09:28.020 --> 01:09:30.470
So I put it out and it's
just dangling 90 degrees.

01:09:30.470 --> 01:09:35.120
And yeah, that moment I was
like, well, I'm fuck knows these

01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:35.880
guys don't even know I'm here.

01:09:35.890 --> 01:09:39.450
Cause they're all filming at the
pontoon that's down on the river.

01:09:40.150 --> 01:09:43.880
And as I'm like assessing my
legs, like it, you couldn't

01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:45.080
really tell it was a femur break.

01:09:45.130 --> 01:09:46.360
Cause I broke it so high up.

01:09:46.360 --> 01:09:48.480
So it was in the pelvis and I'm
thinking, Oh, you're going to.

01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:49.510
Bleed out now.

01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:50.550
It's a hell of a break.

01:09:50.570 --> 01:09:50.860
Yeah.

01:09:50.860 --> 01:09:54.440
No one's gonna, you know, my, my
pelvis was swollen and I was like,

01:09:54.620 --> 01:09:56.260
ah, I'm just going to die here.

01:09:56.710 --> 01:09:59.040
So I was like, but you're
not just going to lie here.

01:09:59.110 --> 01:10:00.880
You're going to start trying to get out.

01:10:00.910 --> 01:10:03.680
So there was no way of, I
didn't have a radio on me.

01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:04.950
Like why, why didn't I have a radio?

01:10:05.020 --> 01:10:05.280
Like.

01:10:05.505 --> 01:10:08.365
These are like all these things I'm
going, well, why are you not doing the

01:10:08.375 --> 01:10:10.405
things that you said you would do them?

01:10:10.835 --> 01:10:13.625
But like, it goes into
like, my, my ego was so big.

01:10:13.655 --> 01:10:14.965
I was like, of course,
nothing's going to happen.

01:10:14.975 --> 01:10:15.295
It's fine.

01:10:15.295 --> 01:10:16.025
It's a skydive.

01:10:16.655 --> 01:10:16.795
Yeah.

01:10:16.825 --> 01:10:19.075
And eventually I was like, well,
I guess you got to help yourself.

01:10:19.075 --> 01:10:20.425
So I started to try and crawl.

01:10:21.245 --> 01:10:21.575
Yeah.

01:10:21.585 --> 01:10:24.785
And it's probably the most
agonizing half an hour of my life.

01:10:25.245 --> 01:10:25.535
Yeah.

01:10:25.555 --> 01:10:27.845
And I was screaming as
loud as I could, but.

01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:29.700
You know, I didn't know what
else was going on, but everyone

01:10:29.700 --> 01:10:30.580
else was like, where's Jamie?

01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.770
Like, so they're
frantically looking for me.

01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:34.430
They're driving up to the parking lot.

01:10:34.430 --> 01:10:38.400
They can't see me, you know, and I'm
in this boulder field further afield.

01:10:38.400 --> 01:10:42.870
And, um, yeah, and I'm just,
just screaming and crawling.

01:10:42.870 --> 01:10:44.870
And eventually I get under this tree.

01:10:45.235 --> 01:10:48.065
And I'm just like, well, uh, this is it.

01:10:48.475 --> 01:10:49.315
I can't go anymore.

01:10:49.425 --> 01:10:49.855
Literally.

01:10:50.195 --> 01:10:51.055
I can't move anymore.

01:10:51.445 --> 01:10:52.375
I've given up.

01:10:52.975 --> 01:10:57.435
And I finally, I was like, I laid
there and I looked up at the sky.

01:10:57.545 --> 01:10:58.755
I was like, that's, this is it.

01:10:59.175 --> 01:11:02.755
I am finally failing at
something pretty bad.

01:11:02.755 --> 01:11:06.285
And I was like, well,
you know, it's been good.

01:11:06.615 --> 01:11:09.415
Uh, I was in so much,
like the pain was unreal.

01:11:09.415 --> 01:11:11.485
And I, was I in and out of consciousness?

01:11:11.485 --> 01:11:11.895
I don't know.

01:11:12.455 --> 01:11:13.945
Um, but I just remember like.

01:11:14.875 --> 01:11:20.255
It just crazy times and
yeah, I grew up Catholic.

01:11:20.255 --> 01:11:23.245
So I was like, well, you better, better
say something just in case, you know?

01:11:23.245 --> 01:11:26.845
So I thought as you walk through
the valley of shadow of death and

01:11:27.245 --> 01:11:31.615
then I broke into Coolio and I sang,

01:11:35.505 --> 01:11:37.015
I sang Gangster's Paradise instead.

01:11:40.105 --> 01:11:41.965
Travis Bader: Cause I wouldn't stick
in the head a little bit better.

01:11:42.095 --> 01:11:42.475
Yeah.

01:11:42.475 --> 01:11:45.815
Jamie Flynn: So I signed that and I made
myself laugh and I was like, okay, cool.

01:11:46.885 --> 01:11:51.685
Um, and then luckily someone came across
some Turkish guy and then I was shouting

01:11:51.705 --> 01:11:55.845
the mayor's name and then they called the
mayor and the mayor got the paramedics.

01:11:55.845 --> 01:12:01.285
And then we, the paramedics turned
up and, uh, four and a half hours

01:12:01.285 --> 01:12:06.515
later on a logging road, I was at a
hospital and spent, I don't know how

01:12:06.515 --> 01:12:07.925
many days in a hospital over there.

01:12:08.125 --> 01:12:08.545
And then.

01:12:09.460 --> 01:12:13.690
It took a long time and it was pretty
gross because in Turkey, the family

01:12:13.690 --> 01:12:14.800
normally come and look after you.

01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:18.160
And I didn't really have a family there
because it was a base jumping event.

01:12:18.850 --> 01:12:22.200
So we had to pay people to
come and clean me and do stuff.

01:12:22.220 --> 01:12:23.380
The food was terrible.

01:12:23.390 --> 01:12:24.190
I was broken.

01:12:24.190 --> 01:12:27.810
The Turkish doctors put me together, like
they didn't really have the machines.

01:12:28.410 --> 01:12:33.060
Um, so they were like ramming me in,
like I was in a child's like MRI scanner.

01:12:33.510 --> 01:12:33.720
Yeah.

01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:35.410
But like my shoulders weren't fit.

01:12:35.410 --> 01:12:37.460
So that pushing me into the machine and.

01:12:37.940 --> 01:12:39.280
Uh, it's just crazy.

01:12:39.280 --> 01:12:43.910
Some of the things that, you know,
you see out there, it's crazy.

01:12:43.910 --> 01:12:45.550
It's, it's a different world.

01:12:45.930 --> 01:12:46.200
Yeah.

01:12:46.200 --> 01:12:48.680
And it will describe it's
like a, a really bad prison.

01:12:49.130 --> 01:12:55.080
And I was on this bed, uh, over time,
I got back to the UK and spent 31

01:12:55.500 --> 01:12:57.900
days in hospital in the UK as well.

01:12:58.170 --> 01:12:58.720
Um.

01:12:59.505 --> 01:13:01.265
Travis Bader: Psychologically,
what's that got to do to you.

01:13:01.375 --> 01:13:03.565
You're top of the world and now you're.

01:13:03.855 --> 01:13:08.115
Jamie Flynn: I was nothing, you know,
I was, I was completely broken and

01:13:08.125 --> 01:13:11.365
realized that, well, I'm not invincible.

01:13:12.115 --> 01:13:15.415
You know, and at that point you have to
remember, like I did all the cool stuff.

01:13:15.445 --> 01:13:20.030
Like I was, I did all the stuff with
3PARA, I was already through the SFSG

01:13:20.040 --> 01:13:24.500
stuff, I did all my counter terrorism, all
the tours I did there that were associated

01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:29.360
with Beast Squadron SAS, like, kicking
doors down nightly, I'm a base jumper,

01:13:29.360 --> 01:13:32.600
skydiver, like, I've done it, like, a
lot in my life at this point, I'm lying

01:13:32.610 --> 01:13:34.370
now, I'm like, and now I'm just here.

01:13:35.325 --> 01:13:39.355
Now what, now what, like they, they're
telling me I might not even walk, you

01:13:39.355 --> 01:13:42.975
know, like my ankle was so messed up
that they thought that it was, you

01:13:42.975 --> 01:13:46.745
know, there was discussion of having an
amputated and I'm like, how did I go to

01:13:46.755 --> 01:13:48.865
Afghanistan, Iraq and not get blown up?

01:13:48.865 --> 01:13:50.555
And then I go base
jumping and lose my leg.

01:13:50.585 --> 01:13:57.505
Like, yeah, so yeah, it was a, it
was a heavy, heavy idea of what my

01:13:57.505 --> 01:14:01.625
life was going to be like, and I
thought that was pretty much it.

01:14:03.015 --> 01:14:03.285
How'd you

01:14:03.305 --> 01:14:03.945
Travis Bader: deal with that?

01:14:06.320 --> 01:14:09.110
Jamie Flynn: Who knows, uh, I
got through one day at a time.

01:14:09.780 --> 01:14:13.920
And it goes back to, back to
the training and just one day

01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:15.560
and see what happens, you know.

01:14:17.050 --> 01:14:21.440
I just did, you know, just tackled
each day at a time and just worked

01:14:21.440 --> 01:14:27.610
hard and did what the physio said and,
and got it done, and over time it just

01:14:27.690 --> 01:14:31.430
got better, the pain didn't really go
away, the pain still bugs me to this

01:14:31.430 --> 01:14:37.130
day, but yeah, it's just like, just,
you just gotta take one day at a time.

01:14:37.130 --> 01:14:38.330
Did it make you gun shy?

01:14:40.115 --> 01:14:43.785
No, I was very focused on getting
back to base jumping that that was

01:14:43.785 --> 01:14:48.125
like my one goal to be like, this
is, this is what kept me going.

01:14:48.785 --> 01:14:51.705
Yeah, I was like, you need to get back
to base jumping and you need to get

01:14:51.705 --> 01:14:53.315
back on the horse and, and do it again.

01:14:54.065 --> 01:14:57.585
Because if you don't, this is the
end of your base jumping world.

01:14:58.345 --> 01:15:01.485
Yeah, but I did have a mindset of
like something needs to change.

01:15:02.115 --> 01:15:05.985
Yeah, because my ego was the
thing that fucked me on that jump.

01:15:06.545 --> 01:15:07.305
Travis Bader: How'd you change it?

01:15:09.200 --> 01:15:09.480
Or did it change

01:15:09.480 --> 01:15:10.070
Jamie Flynn: it for you?

01:15:10.760 --> 01:15:13.290
That did change it for me,
but I also had to look back at

01:15:13.340 --> 01:15:15.000
everything, like, you know, and.

01:15:16.110 --> 01:15:20.330
Microanalyze everything I've ever said
to someone, you know, like, you're

01:15:20.330 --> 01:15:22.070
like, Oh wow, you, you did this.

01:15:22.120 --> 01:15:26.880
And I looked back at all these actions I
did leading up to this and interactions

01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:29.070
I had with people and arrogance.

01:15:29.070 --> 01:15:31.720
And, and I said, how do I fix this?

01:15:32.010 --> 01:15:34.500
You know, like how, you know,
I've heard the things people

01:15:34.500 --> 01:15:35.637
say about you behind your back.

01:15:35.637 --> 01:15:36.780
And you're like, how do I fix it?

01:15:37.430 --> 01:15:39.400
How do I become a better base jumper?

01:15:39.400 --> 01:15:40.500
And how can I start again?

01:15:41.390 --> 01:15:43.390
And then I was like, and then
that's where the idea came from.

01:15:43.410 --> 01:15:45.390
It was like, how about I just start again?

01:15:46.260 --> 01:15:51.890
Like literally from this moment, I start
everything again, everything, everything.

01:15:52.280 --> 01:15:55.780
So we created a documentary
called, uh, back to basics.

01:15:56.320 --> 01:16:06.750
Um, and I wanted the story to be like,
okay, I was this ex paratrooper SF.

01:16:07.125 --> 01:16:11.035
Whatever it is that, you know, I
was before, I now need to just start

01:16:11.035 --> 01:16:15.095
again, you know, and I'm gonna then,
you know, start from the crash, so it

01:16:15.105 --> 01:16:18.315
had a little bit of my past in, and
then it goes back to the recovery.

01:16:18.575 --> 01:16:22.245
How do I deal with this mentally, day
in, day out, going to the swimming pool,

01:16:22.515 --> 01:16:27.291
doing all the exercises, and then learning
to skydive again, learning to base jump,

01:16:27.291 --> 01:16:31.245
but doing it this way, doing it the
proper way that you are meant to learn to

01:16:31.245 --> 01:16:33.205
base jump, not the way I did it before.

01:16:33.780 --> 01:16:34.170
Um, yeah.

01:16:34.190 --> 01:16:37.510
And then it got all the way back
to actually jumping in front of

01:16:37.510 --> 01:16:39.490
a huge crowd, uh, for a demo.

01:16:39.700 --> 01:16:43.230
And that was a six part
documentary series.

01:16:43.630 --> 01:16:46.190
Travis Bader: So it was a bit of an
existential crisis had changed, not

01:16:46.190 --> 01:16:49.970
just how you jump and how you approach,
but how you approach life in general.

01:16:50.020 --> 01:16:50.380
Yeah.

01:16:50.580 --> 01:16:53.570
Jamie Flynn: I realized at that point
how lucky I was to like, not be a

01:16:53.570 --> 01:16:56.000
statistic on a base fatality list anymore.

01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:00.140
Like we have a list of how, you
know, people base jumps and how

01:17:00.140 --> 01:17:01.550
they die so we can learn from it.

01:17:02.110 --> 01:17:02.610
And.

01:17:02.775 --> 01:17:05.555
I'm very surprised I wasn't on that list.

01:17:05.865 --> 01:17:06.435
No kidding.

01:17:06.495 --> 01:17:10.565
And I like looking back at how
lucky I am is like, my name

01:17:10.575 --> 01:17:11.885
should have been there June 30.

01:17:13.090 --> 01:17:16.480
30th, 2013, that should have
been my name next to it.

01:17:17.180 --> 01:17:17.430
Yeah.

01:17:17.430 --> 01:17:19.300
So yeah, you had to change.

01:17:19.360 --> 01:17:22.860
Like I had to change if I was
staying on that same trajectory,

01:17:22.860 --> 01:17:24.050
it was just not going to work.

01:17:24.190 --> 01:17:24.440
Like

01:17:25.700 --> 01:17:25.840
Travis Bader: that.

01:17:25.870 --> 01:17:28.820
Well, that's something, you
know, I saw that video on, uh,

01:17:28.950 --> 01:17:29.790
some posted up on Facebook.

01:17:30.290 --> 01:17:32.264
I think the guy's name was Danik Loyen.

01:17:32.495 --> 01:17:33.295
Something like that.

01:17:33.335 --> 01:17:37.355
Uh, any, they're out on a cliff side,
it looks like by a beach and one

01:17:37.355 --> 01:17:41.305
guy's parachute opens and the other
guys doesn't and splat down, he goes.

01:17:41.455 --> 01:17:42.325
Oh, Dominic Loyen.

01:17:42.345 --> 01:17:43.275
Dominic, that's it.

01:17:44.185 --> 01:17:50.075
Um, so, um, or the guys that'll
do it without a parachute,

01:17:50.105 --> 01:17:52.885
he'll just land on the lake or
in cardboard boxes or whatever.

01:17:54.295 --> 01:17:55.215
There's always.

01:17:56.995 --> 01:17:58.285
There's always something more you can do.

01:17:58.375 --> 01:18:01.635
It's like rock jumping
off rocks into the water.

01:18:02.115 --> 01:18:02.595
Okay.

01:18:02.605 --> 01:18:04.745
It's scary, but I think I can do it.

01:18:04.785 --> 01:18:05.135
Okay.

01:18:05.135 --> 01:18:05.555
It hurt.

01:18:05.565 --> 01:18:08.105
It was a bit of a height,
but, uh, but I'm good.

01:18:08.535 --> 01:18:09.195
I'll do it again.

01:18:09.195 --> 01:18:09.945
I'll do it again.

01:18:10.025 --> 01:18:11.085
Oh, maybe I can go a bit higher.

01:18:11.415 --> 01:18:12.605
Maybe I can get a little higher.

01:18:12.605 --> 01:18:13.135
There's always.

01:18:13.415 --> 01:18:14.665
Where is that threshold?

01:18:14.665 --> 01:18:15.485
Where is that line?

01:18:15.485 --> 01:18:18.255
When, like, do you still, I'm
asking a bunch of questions.

01:18:18.255 --> 01:18:18.435
Yeah.

01:18:19.645 --> 01:18:23.835
Do you still feel, um, that anticipation?

01:18:23.845 --> 01:18:28.585
Like when I did my first jump off of just
here in Chilliwack, I know Woodside, and

01:18:28.585 --> 01:18:32.435
I'm just looking over the edge and it's
like, okay, here I go, I'm going to do it.

01:18:32.445 --> 01:18:35.895
And he, like you go through
the process, but you feel

01:18:35.905 --> 01:18:37.305
that's probably where the most.

01:18:37.660 --> 01:18:40.620
Nerve comes in and then I'm in the air.

01:18:40.620 --> 01:18:42.170
It's just like, this is, this is cool.

01:18:42.290 --> 01:18:44.010
This is really actually relaxing.

01:18:44.450 --> 01:18:51.130
Um, I should imagine hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds of jumps that you've done.

01:18:51.510 --> 01:18:52.530
Do you start to lose that?

01:18:52.530 --> 01:18:54.750
And do you have to push it
further to get that back or,

01:18:54.870 --> 01:18:55.370
Jamie Flynn: or what?

01:18:56.030 --> 01:18:58.960
You know, people think that all
the time you need to like push it

01:18:58.970 --> 01:19:00.840
to get to the next level and, and.

01:19:01.645 --> 01:19:04.365
For me, I went through like a really
dark area of base jumping, like I got

01:19:04.365 --> 01:19:08.435
hurt myself, but I also went through
the following years of, we lost a lot of

01:19:08.465 --> 01:19:12.735
people in wingsuit base jumping, you know,
so we went through what we would consider

01:19:12.735 --> 01:19:16.835
dark years of the sport, and a lot of
people died, and our sport got a bad

01:19:16.835 --> 01:19:18.655
reputation of people dying all the time.

01:19:19.335 --> 01:19:23.285
Um, which just isn't the case for,
you know, what actually happens is,

01:19:23.855 --> 01:19:25.865
um, but yeah, do we push the limits?

01:19:25.865 --> 01:19:27.605
Like, yeah, people are
going to push limits.

01:19:27.615 --> 01:19:32.265
Like people want to try and be the, you
know, the next name, you know, the next

01:19:32.265 --> 01:19:37.055
famous name in our sport, you know,
being the guy who flies close to things.

01:19:37.675 --> 01:19:39.935
Um, but that only leads one way.

01:19:40.125 --> 01:19:40.375
Yeah.

01:19:40.375 --> 01:19:45.365
So for me, I like to, the way I like to
do is try and show people what's possible.

01:19:45.790 --> 01:19:49.340
You know, like I did bust
myself up, I am now older.

01:19:49.340 --> 01:19:51.500
I'm not a young 20 year
old base jumper anymore.

01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:52.870
Um, and...

01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:55.570
I want to show people
the beauty of the sport.

01:19:56.200 --> 01:19:56.440
Yeah.

01:19:56.440 --> 01:20:02.230
So now I'm interested in showing like
really nice pictures or really nice videos

01:20:02.240 --> 01:20:07.120
that are like shows the beauty of the
sport, rather than look how crazy I am.

01:20:07.220 --> 01:20:08.900
Look how, look how close
I am to the ground.

01:20:09.290 --> 01:20:11.010
Look at what I can do
that no one else can do.

01:20:11.310 --> 01:20:13.020
You know, it's not the
shock value anymore.

01:20:13.080 --> 01:20:16.400
Like I, you know, I, I love what I do.

01:20:16.400 --> 01:20:20.200
And if you took the cameras away, I'd
still be doing it, but I also have.

01:20:20.635 --> 01:20:24.555
I love for sharing the things that
I do and showing what is possible

01:20:24.555 --> 01:20:26.195
when you, when you focus on it.

01:20:26.775 --> 01:20:30.575
Um, and maybe I'm a, you know, I'm
definitely an old base jumper now,

01:20:30.625 --> 01:20:33.465
you know, like there was the old
saying when, when I started, you know,

01:20:33.515 --> 01:20:36.405
there's, there's old base jumpers
and there's bold base jumpers, but

01:20:36.405 --> 01:20:38.235
there's no old and bold base jumpers.

01:20:39.215 --> 01:20:41.515
Um, and that it just goes true now.

01:20:41.515 --> 01:20:44.255
And like, I, I definitely would
consider myself an old base jumper

01:20:44.255 --> 01:20:48.815
and, and I look at the younger guys
coming up and, and maybe you're like.

01:20:49.460 --> 01:20:55.390
Hey, like you're, you're trying to
reinvent the wheel, you're doing what I

01:20:55.390 --> 01:20:59.820
did and you're doing what someone else
did before me, you know, and you, there's

01:20:59.830 --> 01:21:04.450
only one way it's going to end, you know,
and you're teaching yourself and now

01:21:04.450 --> 01:21:08.810
you're teaching other people and it's
just like, well, you're now surviving.

01:21:09.145 --> 01:21:12.825
You're not actually really learning
the skills and what you need to know.

01:21:12.825 --> 01:21:16.415
You need to, you need to take a step
back and actually really learn the sport.

01:21:16.705 --> 01:21:20.975
Because if you can learn the sport,
it can be safe, you know, like,

01:21:20.995 --> 01:21:22.325
or you can be as safe as possible.

01:21:23.155 --> 01:21:26.555
You know, there's still a big danger
factor to base jumping, but sure.

01:21:26.565 --> 01:21:26.755
Yeah.

01:21:27.365 --> 01:21:30.165
But if you, you know, it's a
drill, you know, and if you can

01:21:30.165 --> 01:21:31.655
get every step of the drill, right.

01:21:32.115 --> 01:21:32.425
Yeah.

01:21:32.425 --> 01:21:34.915
Then if an accident happens, an accident.

01:21:35.350 --> 01:21:39.800
It's just an accident, but if it's,
if you, if you're trying to tell

01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:41.880
me that it's an accident and I'm
like, well, hold on a minute, like

01:21:42.080 --> 01:21:43.580
this is a huge Swiss cheese effect.

01:21:43.590 --> 01:21:47.620
Like a, you didn't have anyone mentoring
you be you're in the wrong gear.

01:21:47.950 --> 01:21:50.440
You either wrong weight
for the gear you're in.

01:21:50.650 --> 01:21:50.690
Yeah.

01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:52.170
You have no idea what you're doing.

01:21:52.170 --> 01:21:52.910
You haven't skydived.

01:21:52.950 --> 01:21:53.610
Like, yeah.

01:21:53.650 --> 01:21:55.930
And now you're trying to
tell me this is an accident.

01:21:56.750 --> 01:21:57.170
Come on, dude.

01:21:57.690 --> 01:21:58.080
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:21:59.075 --> 01:21:59.495
What do they call it?

01:21:59.545 --> 01:22:01.585
Unconscious, unconfidence,

01:22:01.655 --> 01:22:02.115
Jamie Flynn: unaware.

01:22:02.255 --> 01:22:04.815
The four levels, the four stages of, uh,

01:22:05.525 --> 01:22:05.845
Travis Bader: learning.

01:22:06.565 --> 01:22:10.855
I'm in the, uh, conscious
incompetence stage myself right now.

01:22:11.175 --> 01:22:13.575
I'm brutally aware of
how much I don't know.

01:22:13.575 --> 01:22:17.295
When I first, uh, looked at getting
into just a little bit that I'm,

01:22:17.355 --> 01:22:20.405
I've been doing, it was supposed to
be doing a podcast over in Chamonix

01:22:20.465 --> 01:22:24.705
and, uh, the fellow who I was in a
podcast with, who's it's been delayed.

01:22:24.715 --> 01:22:28.085
He had to open up a couple of
businesses over in the UK and.

01:22:28.750 --> 01:22:34.620
Um, he's into paragliding and
he's got a speed wing as well.

01:22:34.730 --> 01:22:36.300
And I thought, well, this is great.

01:22:36.300 --> 01:22:37.260
I'll pick this thing up.

01:22:37.260 --> 01:22:39.260
And when I go over there, I
could just like, see what he

01:22:39.260 --> 01:22:41.120
does and I'll follow beside him.

01:22:41.120 --> 01:22:43.850
And, and we can go out
and do a, um, do a jump.

01:22:43.850 --> 01:22:47.650
And I'm, I'm learning that no,
maybe go into a place like that.

01:22:48.985 --> 01:22:50.765
It's going to take a little bit
more practice for, before I get

01:22:50.765 --> 01:22:54.585
into it, but at Dunning Kruger.

01:22:54.715 --> 01:22:55.015
Jamie Flynn: Exactly.

01:22:55.015 --> 01:22:57.215
I was just going to say
the Dunning Kruger effect.

01:22:58.425 --> 01:23:03.275
That's a, it's very prevalent in a lot of,
a lot of things, not just sport, but life

01:23:03.275 --> 01:23:05.685
in general, and people think that they.

01:23:06.055 --> 01:23:08.705
They've done a little bit and now they
think they know more than they know.

01:23:08.735 --> 01:23:13.485
And you know, and it was interesting now
as I consider myself on the other side

01:23:13.485 --> 01:23:18.025
of that Dunning Kruger effect, like I'm
pretty experienced in the base jump world.

01:23:18.595 --> 01:23:23.335
And sometimes I questioned my, my skill
level and I'm like, well, I can do that.

01:23:23.545 --> 01:23:24.025
Right.

01:23:24.155 --> 01:23:26.625
And you're like, and then everyone's
like, well, of course you do it.

01:23:26.625 --> 01:23:27.285
What are you talking about?

01:23:27.285 --> 01:23:27.685
And you're like.

01:23:28.135 --> 01:23:31.255
Yeah, I'm just on the other side
now, sort of not doubting yourself,

01:23:31.255 --> 01:23:32.635
but questioning you overthink

01:23:32.635 --> 01:23:32.695
Travis Bader: it.

01:23:32.695 --> 01:23:34.215
Cause you know, all so many more

01:23:34.215 --> 01:23:34.865
Jamie Flynn: variables.

01:23:34.915 --> 01:23:35.385
Yeah.

01:23:35.425 --> 01:23:37.775
And yeah, no, no, I'm definitely older.

01:23:37.775 --> 01:23:41.435
And I look at those other variables and
I definitely don't base jump as much

01:23:41.435 --> 01:23:44.415
as I used to, um, but I still love it.

01:23:44.465 --> 01:23:50.325
Like if I do one base jump a month now and
buzz off that, you know, and whereas other

01:23:50.325 --> 01:23:52.345
people still need to do that for a day,

01:23:54.835 --> 01:23:56.065
Travis Bader: push, push, push.

01:23:56.175 --> 01:23:56.595
Yeah.

01:23:56.805 --> 01:23:57.445
Um.

01:23:57.940 --> 01:24:00.290
You're talking about, uh, rule of threes.

01:24:01.190 --> 01:24:01.570
Jamie Flynn: Oh yeah.

01:24:01.570 --> 01:24:05.020
So yeah, I have a rule of threes
when it comes to base jumping,

01:24:05.020 --> 01:24:08.490
like it, and it could be anything.

01:24:09.100 --> 01:24:11.970
Uh, if I don't wait, if I miss my alarm.

01:24:12.745 --> 01:24:15.135
That's one strike already on
the morning of a bass jump.

01:24:15.695 --> 01:24:21.305
Um, if the weather's not what it says it's
gonna be, yeah, that's another strike.

01:24:21.675 --> 01:24:25.225
And if I have a feeling, just a gut
feeling when I'm on the exit point,

01:24:25.545 --> 01:24:28.515
I'll just put my ear away and I'll
be like, Uh, yeah, I don't feel good.

01:24:29.095 --> 01:24:32.770
Yeah, and people will look at you and
be like, But it's perfect conditions.

01:24:32.770 --> 01:24:33.450
Why are you not jumping?

01:24:33.980 --> 01:24:36.370
And you're like, yeah, I don't know.

01:24:36.370 --> 01:24:38.100
I just, you know, not, not feeling it.

01:24:38.140 --> 01:24:42.640
And some people get a bit funny
with you, but I'm pretty strict on

01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:46.140
my rule of threes now, because if
I'd listened to my gut feeling in

01:24:46.170 --> 01:24:48.680
2013, I might not have got hurt.

01:24:48.680 --> 01:24:49.760
Because you're feeling it, weren't you?

01:24:49.780 --> 01:24:50.464
I was feeling it.

01:24:50.735 --> 01:24:52.045
I could have just said no, but I didn't.

01:24:52.075 --> 01:24:52.825
I just kept going.

01:24:52.905 --> 01:24:54.295
Travis Bader: Cause the
ego gets in the way.

01:24:54.395 --> 01:24:55.215
You don't want to look weak.

01:24:55.215 --> 01:24:57.335
You don't want to look like you're scared.

01:24:57.555 --> 01:24:57.965
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.

01:24:58.055 --> 01:25:00.895
And now I'm, I know I'm not scared.

01:25:01.485 --> 01:25:04.755
You know, I do things that are
dangerous quite a lot of times.

01:25:04.755 --> 01:25:07.945
And I now know that I'm not
petrified of these things.

01:25:08.365 --> 01:25:13.085
So when I do say like, no, I'm not feeling
it, it's because I'm not feeling it.

01:25:13.125 --> 01:25:18.135
And I have to go by these, these
three rules and, and people might go,

01:25:18.135 --> 01:25:19.635
well, you just slept for your alarm.

01:25:19.635 --> 01:25:20.375
It doesn't matter.

01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:22.870
And it's just like, well, who knows?

01:25:22.930 --> 01:25:24.350
This might be a huge game we're in.

01:25:24.350 --> 01:25:27.100
And this is how we have to roll it out.

01:25:27.430 --> 01:25:27.650
You're

01:25:27.660 --> 01:25:30.700
Travis Bader: back to the sucking
energy from other people when they,

01:25:30.730 --> 01:25:34.740
when they drop out, there is more
to this thing that we have in life.

01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:37.820
I think it may be, it is a big game.

01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:40.160
You talk to Sean Taylor
over and over again.

01:25:40.170 --> 01:25:42.770
We live in the matrix and he's
got all these reasons why,

01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:43.030
Jamie Flynn: but.

01:25:43.570 --> 01:25:46.810
Hey, if people believe in religion,
I don't see why we can't believe

01:25:46.810 --> 01:25:48.310
this is a simulation at times.

01:25:48.760 --> 01:25:49.820
Travis Bader: Well, what do they say?

01:25:49.990 --> 01:25:55.430
The probability that we're living
in a simulation, either a, far

01:25:55.510 --> 01:26:00.460
exceeds the likelihood that we
don't, or at the best case scenario.

01:26:01.005 --> 01:26:02.654
It's a 50, 50.

01:26:02.655 --> 01:26:03.015
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.

01:26:03.045 --> 01:26:06.845
Part of me still say, you know, like, Hey,
Hey, I grew up religious and you know,

01:26:07.015 --> 01:26:12.085
part of me also listen to these arguments
about the simulation and Hey, like I'll

01:26:12.085 --> 01:26:13.755
hang on to the, the religious thing.

01:26:13.755 --> 01:26:18.405
Like when I was thinking I was going
to die, I, I mean, I tried my best to

01:26:18.405 --> 01:26:22.915
say something to God, but before Julio
came in, so my thoughts were there.

01:26:23.365 --> 01:26:27.865
Um, but also like, if, if, if we are
in a simulation, like, Hey, what's

01:26:27.865 --> 01:26:33.700
wrong with just trying To keep
our player interested, like I play

01:26:33.700 --> 01:26:35.610
video games and I like playing it.

01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:38.240
And if I get bored of this game
with the board of the player,

01:26:38.330 --> 01:26:39.880
well, I should turn it off.

01:26:40.610 --> 01:26:44.730
So just in case we are in a simulation,
I'm trying to live an exciting life.

01:26:44.780 --> 01:26:48.260
So the, at least the guy playing
me is like, you know what,

01:26:48.310 --> 01:26:50.160
you know, he might actually.

01:26:50.815 --> 01:26:52.265
It'd be worth seeing where this goes.

01:26:52.375 --> 01:26:53.145
Oh, I love that.

01:26:53.765 --> 01:26:55.075
Travis Bader: I love that mentality.

01:26:55.075 --> 01:26:55.665
Yeah.

01:26:56.755 --> 01:26:57.225
Awesome.

01:26:58.595 --> 01:26:59.885
We've talked about a fair bit.

01:27:01.085 --> 01:27:03.255
I know there's a lot
more that we can talk on.

01:27:04.145 --> 01:27:06.255
Is there anything that we
should touch on that we haven't?

01:27:08.350 --> 01:27:10.150
Jamie Flynn: So there's a lot, I don't
know what you want to talk about.

01:27:11.590 --> 01:27:11.740
You

01:27:11.740 --> 01:27:14.410
Travis Bader: know, you, you've got a
lot to share from your life experiences.

01:27:14.420 --> 01:27:16.970
You've got stuff to share on the
mental health side, you've got stuff

01:27:16.970 --> 01:27:23.040
to share on, uh, dealing with adversity
and, uh, overcoming fear, feeling

01:27:23.040 --> 01:27:26.450
the fear, but doing it anyways,
and that's what courage is, right?

01:27:26.490 --> 01:27:26.940
It's courage.

01:27:26.950 --> 01:27:28.100
Isn't the lack of fear.

01:27:28.100 --> 01:27:30.070
You can't have courage without fear.

01:27:30.790 --> 01:27:33.730
And from what it sounds like.

01:27:35.220 --> 01:27:37.990
You've had to display a fair bit
of courage through your life in

01:27:37.990 --> 01:27:41.580
order to achieve these things
that, that you have, it didn't just

01:27:41.580 --> 01:27:43.600
come because you had zero fear.

01:27:44.270 --> 01:27:44.590
Jamie Flynn: No.

01:27:44.590 --> 01:27:48.340
And, and, and these things of like,
especially like high adrenaline, high,

01:27:48.380 --> 01:27:53.730
you know, dopamine that you get through
life is like, sometimes it then.

01:27:54.245 --> 01:27:58.935
It takes it the complete opposite way, you
know, and I have found myself like pretty

01:27:58.935 --> 01:28:04.385
shortly after getting hurt, like in a
really, really bad place a, I didn't have

01:28:04.385 --> 01:28:09.615
the support of my unit and granted at that
time, if I'd been like, Hey dude, like I'm

01:28:09.615 --> 01:28:13.425
having a bad time, they'd probably laugh
at me, you know, cause our mentality on

01:28:13.435 --> 01:28:16.275
mental health was not what it is today.

01:28:16.795 --> 01:28:18.375
Um, however, like.

01:28:18.645 --> 01:28:22.185
Even though they would have laughed at me,
you know, I would never said it to them.

01:28:22.185 --> 01:28:26.745
Like, Hey, I'm, I'm feeling it, but I
would, I would have been around them,

01:28:26.995 --> 01:28:28.335
but I wasn't around them at the time.

01:28:28.335 --> 01:28:30.345
So I was already out in the military.

01:28:30.355 --> 01:28:32.115
So I had no bond there.

01:28:32.495 --> 01:28:35.855
The bond I had with base
jumpers just wasn't the same

01:28:35.855 --> 01:28:38.305
that I had with the, the paras.

01:28:38.325 --> 01:28:41.705
We didn't have the whole peak on me,
the, the arduous Afghanistan, Iraq,

01:28:41.705 --> 01:28:42.755
whatever the stuff we went through.

01:28:42.755 --> 01:28:45.315
So, you know, I didn't have
these people around me anymore.

01:28:45.605 --> 01:28:46.585
Um, and.

01:28:47.485 --> 01:28:52.315
I couldn't, you know, life was very
different because things hurt, you know,

01:28:52.335 --> 01:28:56.395
my bones hurt, you know, I got metal
in me, I can't run as much as I was.

01:28:57.055 --> 01:28:58.315
I just was never at the same level.

01:28:58.335 --> 01:29:03.725
So getting into like a really dark
point in my life, like who knows

01:29:03.725 --> 01:29:09.045
what you want to call it today,
depression, PTSD, whatever, whatever

01:29:09.045 --> 01:29:14.054
it was, it was, it all came crashing
down and you know, life, yeah.

01:29:14.055 --> 01:29:17.575
I thought about, you know, things with
Brian and things about like all the

01:29:17.575 --> 01:29:21.255
other guys, John and Mark and everyone
else who died on tours that I was on

01:29:21.255 --> 01:29:26.695
and, uh, things that I'd seen and,
and felt and other bass jumpers I've

01:29:26.695 --> 01:29:29.045
watched die while doing my hobby.

01:29:29.045 --> 01:29:31.465
Like all these things were
coming at me and I was like,

01:29:31.475 --> 01:29:32.895
well, what am I going to do now?

01:29:33.445 --> 01:29:37.045
Because I can't be the person I was.

01:29:37.045 --> 01:29:42.945
And, you know, I've gone from being top
of the world to, to no one, you know,

01:29:42.945 --> 01:29:45.616
and, and the reality check was that.

01:29:45.925 --> 01:29:46.665
You're not special.

01:29:46.675 --> 01:29:48.095
None of us are really special.

01:29:48.525 --> 01:29:48.665
Yeah.

01:29:48.665 --> 01:29:51.915
You can say you're part of a
special force, but you're not.

01:29:51.915 --> 01:29:55.065
You're just a bunch of
idiots that are rebels.

01:29:55.715 --> 01:29:59.015
Like a bunch of rebels, a
bunch of degenerates who can

01:29:59.025 --> 01:30:01.215
just push through the pain.

01:30:01.555 --> 01:30:01.915
Yeah.

01:30:01.925 --> 01:30:04.835
Mentally, you can do stuff, but there's.

01:30:05.400 --> 01:30:10.860
It, things separate and I did get to a
really bad point in my life and I didn't

01:30:10.870 --> 01:30:12.120
really know how to get on with it.

01:30:12.120 --> 01:30:17.540
So, you know, you did, I did what
I only knew how and did day by day.

01:30:18.160 --> 01:30:18.550
Yeah.

01:30:18.630 --> 01:30:22.260
And eventually someone, you
know, was telling me about these,

01:30:22.290 --> 01:30:25.400
uh, psilocybin and microdosing.

01:30:26.450 --> 01:30:28.520
And I was just like, no, not interested.

01:30:29.180 --> 01:30:31.180
And they were like, no,
dude, just, just hear it out.

01:30:31.230 --> 01:30:32.360
And it's a new thing.

01:30:32.360 --> 01:30:34.090
It's, it's gonna, it's going to help.

01:30:34.110 --> 01:30:35.960
And it will make you understand.

01:30:35.980 --> 01:30:36.960
I was outside of life.

01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:39.400
I don't know from the military
is hardcore, no drugs.

01:30:39.660 --> 01:30:42.699
And I grew up, I didn't
take any drugs at all.

01:30:42.700 --> 01:30:47.080
And yeah, eventually I listened to
this guy and I was like, okay, well,

01:30:47.080 --> 01:30:49.060
let's, let's see what happens then.

01:30:49.780 --> 01:30:51.560
And, uh, yeah, I got into.

01:30:52.240 --> 01:30:58.090
Try in this micro dosing and, and things
started to like come together and try

01:30:58.090 --> 01:31:02.630
and like understand the things that I was
doing in life and, you know, understand

01:31:02.630 --> 01:31:06.680
the ego that I, you know, that I was
putting out the persona that I was, you

01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:12.530
know, portraying myself as, and I found
that the ego and the persona and, uh,

01:31:12.540 --> 01:31:16.930
the arrogance and everything else that
I was portraying to everyone wasn't that

01:31:17.030 --> 01:31:22.570
I was an asshole and I was, you know, an
horrible person, but this was my defense.

01:31:23.180 --> 01:31:28.570
I never really wanted you to know who
I was, so my theory is I would much

01:31:28.570 --> 01:31:30.410
prefer that you think I'm an arse.

01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:33.970
Then you know who I am, because
if you know who I am, you'll

01:31:33.970 --> 01:31:35.050
see the weak side of me.

01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:39.480
Yeah, and you'll see the soft side and
you'll see that, you know, the care like

01:31:39.630 --> 01:31:43.910
the things that I, you know, I'm upset
about like me losing like my mentor

01:31:43.910 --> 01:31:48.970
and life very an early age and you know
that that really affected me and you

01:31:48.970 --> 01:31:53.650
know Being dumped by your mother that
affected me like there's there's plenty

01:31:53.650 --> 01:31:57.550
of things in this life I get me being
injured and not be able to run As much

01:31:57.550 --> 01:31:59.700
as I used to before, that affected me.

01:31:59.700 --> 01:32:02.540
So it's like, all these things,
and I never wanted you to see it.

01:32:02.770 --> 01:32:07.910
I still wanted you to see that, that tough
guy that, uh, is a bass jumper, not scared

01:32:07.910 --> 01:32:12.220
of anything, and, you know, an ex military
dude that just doesn't care, like, and,

01:32:12.260 --> 01:32:16.260
and this is where the microdosing actually
helped, and it's sort of been like, you

01:32:16.260 --> 01:32:20.490
know what, people don't really care,
they're, you know, you think they care.

01:32:21.625 --> 01:32:23.735
But they don't, they're only
caring about their own problems.

01:32:24.345 --> 01:32:25.905
Yeah, they're not really focused on you.

01:32:26.465 --> 01:32:29.425
Yeah, they might bitch and moan at you
and be like, Ah, you're doing this.

01:32:29.545 --> 01:32:31.405
It's just mirroring their problems.

01:32:31.555 --> 01:32:32.305
So true.

01:32:32.385 --> 01:32:33.755
Yeah, it's not you.

01:32:34.305 --> 01:32:38.985
And that's what the whole psilocybin
sort of thing is, uh, has helped me and

01:32:38.985 --> 01:32:44.115
it sort of re put me back on a path to
try and like, get my life back in order

01:32:44.115 --> 01:32:49.525
and, and I think that's what, What helped
and restarting again in Canada is, you

01:32:49.525 --> 01:32:53.375
know, like doing the, doing the micro
dosing, leading up, moving to Canada,

01:32:53.975 --> 01:32:59.425
uh, and then restarting again over here
has completely transformed, like the way

01:32:59.425 --> 01:33:04.615
things are like, I feel like the life I
had before doing like military contract in

01:33:04.625 --> 01:33:07.015
the military, base jumping, whatever else.

01:33:07.205 --> 01:33:08.155
It's a different life.

01:33:08.285 --> 01:33:08.935
Like I felt like.

01:33:09.595 --> 01:33:12.285
Moving to Canada, I've like
drawn a line in the sand and it's

01:33:12.285 --> 01:33:14.105
just like, I'm starting again.

01:33:14.525 --> 01:33:15.375
Travis Bader: Back to basics.

01:33:15.445 --> 01:33:16.275
Back to basics.

01:33:17.465 --> 01:33:20.975
You know, we, um, you've been on
a collective, I believe, have you?

01:33:21.285 --> 01:33:21.665
Yeah, I have.

01:33:21.665 --> 01:33:21.975
Yeah.

01:33:21.985 --> 01:33:22.345
Okay.

01:33:22.405 --> 01:33:24.315
So, um, you know, Sean.

01:33:24.415 --> 01:33:24.845
Yep.

01:33:25.625 --> 01:33:26.665
Talking with Sean there and.

01:33:27.660 --> 01:33:33.750
I was in his house doing a podcast
and, you know, similar mentality.

01:33:33.750 --> 01:33:35.630
He's like, you know, I
don't like medication.

01:33:35.630 --> 01:33:37.930
I don't, you know, if I got a
headache, I don't like to take stuff.

01:33:37.930 --> 01:33:38.810
I don't do meds.

01:33:38.870 --> 01:33:43.230
Cause he was talking about PTSD
and how he came to learn he

01:33:43.230 --> 01:33:45.120
had it and that whole story.

01:33:45.120 --> 01:33:49.160
And he says, oh yeah, but
you know, I microdose.

01:33:50.850 --> 01:33:54.110
Well, hold on a second, like
from, you know, similar upbringing

01:33:54.110 --> 01:33:55.330
and raising as yourself.

01:33:55.340 --> 01:33:58.330
And he just said, you don't
like drugs, but you microdose.

01:33:58.370 --> 01:33:58.700
Oh yeah.

01:33:58.700 --> 01:34:01.460
There's any lists off a
couple other things that he's,

01:34:01.460 --> 01:34:03.030
uh, he's done in the past.

01:34:03.730 --> 01:34:06.700
Uh, and Sonny, you know, Sonny, right?

01:34:06.830 --> 01:34:08.770
Heroic heart, heroic hearts.

01:34:08.860 --> 01:34:09.080
Yeah.

01:34:09.210 --> 01:34:14.310
Uh, there seems to be a hell of a lot
of Of science that's going behind it.

01:34:14.310 --> 01:34:18.460
A lot of, um, uh, a lot of research.

01:34:18.500 --> 01:34:21.450
I know my wife went to
the, uh, naturopath.

01:34:21.450 --> 01:34:23.410
I'm like, if you're going
to the naturopath, can you

01:34:23.410 --> 01:34:24.420
ask some questions for me?

01:34:24.460 --> 01:34:26.290
Like, is there any like lion's mane?

01:34:26.290 --> 01:34:29.290
Like if I want to be able to remember
things when I'm doing a podcast, if I

01:34:29.290 --> 01:34:32.620
want to be able to recall stuff, cause
I always have difficulty with that.

01:34:32.620 --> 01:34:38.250
It's just stuff in the, uh, uh, naturopath
site, she's a doctor and she says, well.

01:34:38.860 --> 01:34:41.890
You know, there's, there's limited
research in that, but, uh, unless

01:34:41.890 --> 01:34:44.680
he's looking at micro dosing,
there's a lot of research over there.

01:34:44.680 --> 01:34:46.640
So it's interesting that you bring that

01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:46.850
Jamie Flynn: up.

01:34:46.980 --> 01:34:47.880
Well, it's, it's funny.

01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:50.770
I read somewhere the other day that
there's actually been more studies

01:34:50.770 --> 01:34:54.310
in micro dosing and how much,
how the benefits of micro dosing

01:34:54.310 --> 01:34:58.020
psilocybin has been there ever was
for legalizing cannabis in Canada.

01:34:58.570 --> 01:34:59.120
Really?

01:34:59.180 --> 01:34:59.750
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:35:00.140 --> 01:35:01.000
Jamie Flynn: Interesting.

01:35:01.280 --> 01:35:01.520
Yeah.

01:35:01.530 --> 01:35:06.560
We're still trying to legalize
psilocybin and you know, like.

01:35:07.625 --> 01:35:10.645
And I, that, that struggles with me
because I, I believe in like, and I'm

01:35:10.705 --> 01:35:13.405
not just saying it because it's like,
oh, it's a drug that helps you understand

01:35:13.455 --> 01:35:19.165
like microdosing doesn't actually do
anything if you take it and you're

01:35:19.165 --> 01:35:20.295
like, well, it's not doing anything.

01:35:20.365 --> 01:35:21.275
Well, of course it's not doing it.

01:35:21.335 --> 01:35:22.055
You have to do it.

01:35:22.575 --> 01:35:25.985
Like you have to still like your
brain, just like the only way I

01:35:25.985 --> 01:35:30.705
describe it to like layman terms
is parts of my brain have shut off.

01:35:31.355 --> 01:35:34.095
Like, to protect myself
and try and get off.

01:35:34.125 --> 01:35:37.565
So I, I feel like in my brain that
there's a door and I've shut that

01:35:37.565 --> 01:35:39.945
door because I don't want the bad
stuff to come through that door.

01:35:40.015 --> 01:35:40.035
Yeah.

01:35:40.035 --> 01:35:44.955
Psilocybin sort of, especially the micro
dosing where you don't actually feel,

01:35:44.955 --> 01:35:48.605
you don't trip, you don't nothing, you
don't, you have no feelings of if you

01:35:48.605 --> 01:35:51.905
did any sort of drug like you would if
you smoking weed or anything like that.

01:35:51.905 --> 01:35:54.725
So, you know, but I feel
like that door gets cracked.

01:35:56.115 --> 01:35:59.245
It all gets cracked open and a few
things come out and in your brain, you

01:35:59.245 --> 01:36:05.055
can sort of work out those little things
and over time, yeah, you just take those

01:36:05.105 --> 01:36:08.095
things out and you're like, oh yeah,
no, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

01:36:08.095 --> 01:36:13.515
I can use that to become a better person,
you know, like your, your mother, what,

01:36:13.555 --> 01:36:18.415
you know, she dumped you on the side
of the highway, but it's not like, it's

01:36:18.415 --> 01:36:20.535
not your fault, but what can you do?

01:36:20.685 --> 01:36:22.865
Like it might not even be her fault.

01:36:23.485 --> 01:36:25.615
You know, like she had issues herself.

01:36:26.065 --> 01:36:29.115
Yeah, clearly, like no
normal person does that.

01:36:29.755 --> 01:36:31.025
So there must be issues.

01:36:31.205 --> 01:36:32.025
Do I forgive her?

01:36:32.045 --> 01:36:32.465
Like, no.

01:36:33.255 --> 01:36:36.585
But, I can understand that
something else was going on.

01:36:37.165 --> 01:36:39.735
Yeah, and I have a little
bit of compassion for her.

01:36:40.350 --> 01:36:44.910
Um, whatever she had to go, go through,
but it should never have occurred to, it

01:36:44.920 --> 01:36:48.330
should never have got to this point, but
I need to understand that now I, you know,

01:36:48.520 --> 01:36:53.280
I can't deal with her, but I can deal with
my own feelings towards that situation.

01:36:53.670 --> 01:36:57.400
And being dumped there is like,
well, what does that mean to me now?

01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:01.730
And now I can like look back and be
like, well, can strengthen that today.

01:37:02.240 --> 01:37:03.760
And then I can take the next thing out.

01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:08.020
Look through the next part of
my life and try and build these

01:37:08.060 --> 01:37:10.460
blocks into building a better me.

01:37:10.460 --> 01:37:15.340
And it's just like It only how it's only
gonna work if you actually put time and

01:37:15.350 --> 01:37:19.880
effort into trying to understand your
past and trying to Be a better person

01:37:19.890 --> 01:37:23.010
But if you're not into that then it's
gonna be hard like you're just taking

01:37:23.010 --> 01:37:25.110
microdosing it and you're gonna feel
better and you're gonna Have a better

01:37:25.140 --> 01:37:30.050
life, but you also need to like look back
at your problems and try and put it all

01:37:30.050 --> 01:37:34.765
Travis Bader: together How I've heard
it referred to is just similar to what

01:37:34.765 --> 01:37:38.785
you've said there, or it's like fresh
snowfall, like all these tracks down the

01:37:38.795 --> 01:37:41.475
mountain and there's a fresh snowfall
and it covers it over and you can

01:37:41.475 --> 01:37:43.555
start taking whatever track you want.

01:37:43.585 --> 01:37:46.975
You can make, you don't have to
be confined to the ruts, but, um,

01:37:47.625 --> 01:37:51.725
essentially it helps you get to a place
where you no longer need to microdose.

01:37:51.725 --> 01:37:55.715
So you don't all, you don't, it's
a non dependent sort of thing.

01:37:56.295 --> 01:37:56.455
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.

01:37:56.455 --> 01:37:58.395
I don't like nowadays I don't microdose.

01:37:58.435 --> 01:37:58.735
Right.

01:37:59.025 --> 01:38:05.095
Yeah, like it's been back then it was
quite regular and I read up on like

01:38:05.095 --> 01:38:09.205
how much too much like what's what
am I doing, you know, and I looked

01:38:09.205 --> 01:38:16.465
into it and I was very like stuck to
micro dosing to try and keep going.

01:38:16.575 --> 01:38:18.995
And then eventually when I was
like, well, do I need this anymore?

01:38:19.215 --> 01:38:22.290
You know, so I, you know, Came off it.

01:38:22.370 --> 01:38:24.710
Then I was like, well, I think
I need, it's just like, it was

01:38:24.710 --> 01:38:26.260
back and forth for a few years.

01:38:26.260 --> 01:38:29.049
And then eventually, you know,
it got bad to like, I don't

01:38:29.050 --> 01:38:30.020
think I need this anymore.

01:38:30.160 --> 01:38:35.800
I don't need, you know, I I'm good
enough to look back on my own past now

01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:37.830
and go, that's, I'm doing this wrong.

01:38:37.880 --> 01:38:40.730
Or even the things that I'm
doing presently, I do things

01:38:40.730 --> 01:38:41.829
presently and I'm like.

01:38:42.080 --> 01:38:43.480
Whoa, fuck.

01:38:43.570 --> 01:38:45.050
I should not have said that.

01:38:47.220 --> 01:38:48.670
I should not have done that.

01:38:49.260 --> 01:38:50.570
And I should have known better.

01:38:50.570 --> 01:38:52.660
And then I go back and I like fit there.

01:38:52.660 --> 01:38:57.260
And maybe now that's why I use Instagram
rather than like to the side, but I go

01:38:57.270 --> 01:38:58.810
back and I'm like, what should I do?

01:38:59.070 --> 01:38:59.500
Okay.

01:38:59.680 --> 01:39:03.465
And if I write it down, And find a
really cool picture to go with it.

01:39:03.675 --> 01:39:05.645
That's how my Instagram
gets done these days.

01:39:06.865 --> 01:39:07.405
Nowadays.

01:39:07.405 --> 01:39:11.145
It's like, it's what I'm thinking on
Instagram is like, how do I make myself

01:39:11.175 --> 01:39:16.345
better from the thing, the dumb things
I'm doing during my day to day, which is

01:39:16.365 --> 01:39:18.755
essentially what the microdosing has done.

01:39:19.405 --> 01:39:20.155
Travis Bader: That's amazing.

01:39:21.455 --> 01:39:23.935
Jamie, maybe we should wrap it here.

01:39:24.145 --> 01:39:29.165
And, uh, you know, I, I do have a lot
more questions that I'd like to ask and go

01:39:29.165 --> 01:39:31.880
through, but, uh, I think it's lunchtime.

01:39:31.940 --> 01:39:32.600
I'll buy you lunch.

01:39:32.780 --> 01:39:33.170
Let's do it.

01:39:34.190 --> 01:39:36.230
. Thanks very much for being
on this Silver Corp podcast.

01:39:36.230 --> 01:39:36.440
Thank

01:39:36.440 --> 01:39:36.980
Jamie Flynn: you for having me.

01:39:36.980 --> 01:39:37.490
This is being awesome.