Speaker 1: H I have something that I would like to discuss
Speaker 1: with you. Oh, I don't want to get your take
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: I'm scared you should.
Speaker 1: Be because what I'm about to tell you is fucking unnerving,
Speaker 1: dear unnerving. And I'll tell you right now, you're gonna
Speaker 1: You're gonna be like, do what.
Speaker 3: Do what?
Speaker 2: I'm scared.
Speaker 1: This is from the Sun, so take over of the
Speaker 1: Grain of Salt, the U s Son And it was
Speaker 1: written by Tom Mally. It was published November twenty third,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Three, November year ago.
Speaker 4: And it's from the Son, the Son, the US Son,
Speaker 4: which is like a US arm of the Sun newspapers
Speaker 4: which tend to be tabloidy.
Speaker 3: Okay, take it with a grassal.
Speaker 1: A ten year old boy claimed he was the reincarnation
Speaker 1: of a Hollywood star after perfectly recalling the events of
Speaker 1: his past life. Ryan Hammond, from Oklahoma in the United States,
Speaker 1: insisted that he remembered being a famous actor in the
Speaker 1: forties and the fifties. Now I'm going to let you
Speaker 1: look at this kid. Ten year old Ryan Hammond claimed
Speaker 1: he was the reincarnation of a Hollywood star. Ryan believed
Speaker 1: that the memories he was recalling were those of Marty Martin,
Speaker 1: who died in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 3: There's Marty Martin.
Speaker 1: So Ryan hadn't thought he was this believes he's this
Speaker 1: kid now, Oh my god, making the claims as a
Speaker 1: ten year old back in twenty fifteen, so nine years ago,
Speaker 1: so now he'd be nineteen. The youngster even alleged that
Speaker 1: he was punched by Marilyn Monroe's bodyguards during his past life.
Speaker 2: Okay, icon, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: So like now is he like I used to be
Speaker 1: and I used to work in Hollywood? But he's like
Speaker 1: I got punched by Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 3: Question why?
Speaker 1: But why?
Speaker 2: What you do Martin?
Speaker 1: What'd you do? Ryan? But Ryan said he even remembered
Speaker 1: how he died, oh oh, telling NBC that his heart
Speaker 1: exploded before he headed toward the light. Ryan believed that
Speaker 1: the memories he was recalling were those of Marty Martin,
Speaker 1: who died in nineteen sixty four. Beginning of a humble
Speaker 1: movie extra, mar later became a successful tinsel town agent,
Speaker 1: despite marrying five times. He lived a life of luxury
Speaker 1: in New York and regularly holidayed in Paris. However, Martin
Speaker 1: suffered from a brain hemorrhage in nineteen sixty four, passed
Speaker 1: away at the age of sixty one. Not long after,
Speaker 1: forty years later and over thirteen hundred miles away from
Speaker 1: Hollywood Hills in Oklahoma, Ryan claimed to be his reincarnation.
Speaker 1: The youngster said he'd been experiencing the past life memories
Speaker 1: from the age of three, and repeatedly begged his mother
Speaker 1: to take him to Los Angeles to quote visit his
Speaker 1: other family.
Speaker 5: Oh shit, shit, what if I did this when I
Speaker 5: was younger?
Speaker 3: You did?
Speaker 1: Understandably, his parents didn't believe him at first, until he
Speaker 1: instantly recognized himself in a book on the Golden Age
Speaker 1: of Hollywood. His mother had bought Ryan the book to
Speaker 1: help him find some answers, but was shocked when he
Speaker 1: pointed to a photo of Marty and claimed it was him.
Speaker 1: Intrigued by the story of Ryan, a documentary crew even
Speaker 1: helped track down Marty's daughter, who confirmed the kid's claims
Speaker 1: were accurate. That's when Ryan's mother turned to the child psychiatrist,
Speaker 1: doctor Jim Tucker, who believed her son's claims that he
Speaker 1: was reincarnated. He came to this conclusion after fifty five
Speaker 1: of the things Ryan had recalled were true. Doctor Tucker
Speaker 1: ended up dedicating a chapter of his book Returned to
Speaker 1: Life to Ryan's case. He said, the world just doesn't
Speaker 1: work as we think or assume it does. The cases
Speaker 1: I've examined don't come under a normal explanation of how
Speaker 1: we perceived the world. God, we didn't really raise you
Speaker 1: with a faith, which I always thought was a mistake.
Speaker 3: I told your mother.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, if you don't give a kid
Speaker 1: a faith, they'll go fine them later on. What if
Speaker 1: she picks scientology, We're fuck, Yeah, that goes all the money.
Speaker 1: But we didn't raise you in a faith, which means that,
Speaker 1: you know, we were never like you know, when you die,
Speaker 1: you go to heaven. We never gave you a cosmology,
Speaker 1: so to speak, for.
Speaker 3: Things that can't be explained.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but from time to time over the years I
Speaker 1: have heard you, Well, number one, you do that witchy
Speaker 1: shit right like you smudge and shit like that.
Speaker 3: Is that what's called.
Speaker 2: Is a thing?
Speaker 1: Yes, And like I remember used to like candles and
Speaker 1: chill like that. So there must be some you must
Speaker 1: have some, you know, you must have formed some opinion
Speaker 1: about what happens when it's all over. We don't really
Speaker 1: talk about opinions. What is your opinion? What do you
Speaker 1: think happens when we die? Well? Do we come back
Speaker 1: as ten year old boys? And Oklahoma is exactly It
Speaker 1: was like, I remember being fucking daughter of a hack filmmaker.
Speaker 1: It hurts. It hurt me so bad to be his daughter.
Speaker 2: It just was too painful. I have to move on
Speaker 2: to the next one.
Speaker 1: Thank God, I gotta reset. But damn, Oklahoma, what is
Speaker 1: your what do you believe? Wait?
Speaker 2: I have a question though, First.
Speaker 3: Is about Ryan because I know exactly what you know.
Speaker 1: Haven't just read the article.
Speaker 3: I did watch a video.
Speaker 1: I can go beyond that and say I watched a
Speaker 1: video that was even more convincing than that article. Well
Speaker 1: one he started he like, he talked about my heart exploded,
Speaker 1: and then his mom was like heart attack. But then
Speaker 1: his mom was like, oh, then you can't be him
Speaker 1: because he died of an aneurism. But then his daughter
Speaker 1: was like, no, he did die heart attack. Heart attack,
Speaker 1: like that was related to n heerson, but his heart
Speaker 1: went first. Oh he Also the kid remembered that he
Speaker 1: wasn't like I was in movies, but I was also
Speaker 1: I helped people. I was an agent, like he knew
Speaker 1: shit that, like he wouldn't know as a ten year
Speaker 1: old from Oklahoma. And I know people are like bro
Speaker 1: inter death, like he could look older, but according to them, no, no,
Speaker 1: could also be a case of a mother, you know,
Speaker 1: fucking gone, like it was a way for us to
Speaker 1: get the newspapers and shit. But the video I watched
Speaker 1: and the article I read, and I read another article.
Speaker 1: You know, it's tough to deny that. Like, my man,
Speaker 1: there's something there.
Speaker 5: There's some truth on Marty what's his name, Marty Martin's.
Speaker 1: Marty Martin who wound up being an agent, like a
Speaker 1: Hollywood agent. So the kid knew.
Speaker 2: That does Ryan speak? Wasn't he remembered.
Speaker 1: Getting married and the guy was married like five times,
Speaker 1: but he remembered married, and shit, he didn't remember. I
Speaker 1: don't think you remember the kid that's been fucked up though,
Speaker 1: because he did meet the kid. The kid was like,
Speaker 1: but the kid Marty Martin's kid. If he died in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty, that means kid was born anywhere from nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty nineteen sixty.
Speaker 2: Ryan's like, yeah, that Ryan's like ten, and he's.
Speaker 1: Like i'd be like, you're you're my I'm your father, Luke,
Speaker 1: I'm your father, and she's like, what the fuck he's
Speaker 1: clean your room? Fucking She's like, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: He's like, but I'm him.
Speaker 5: But I'm literally Marty, Marty Martin.
Speaker 1: Where do you stand on life, death, spirituality?
Speaker 2: I person, what happens.
Speaker 3: When we die?
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you because.
Speaker 1: I know you, and then hold on, let me give
Speaker 1: you money. You can tell people what happens when they die,
Speaker 1: and they'll pay a lot of loot. You can start religion. Intelligence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: should be like I actually I know Harley Tosis.
Speaker 2: I would call that Harley to says the martyr.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, there is a you know, philosophy, a
Speaker 1: school of thought. I think this may be scientific that
Speaker 1: all the energy in the universe can't exist.
Speaker 5: Today, destroyed, it will always be the.
Speaker 1: Same as the same amount of energy that happened from
Speaker 1: the Big Bank forward and it just gets reincorporated in
Speaker 1: blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: So that is what I believe. You believe that, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: So that means my dad died twenty years ago. What
Speaker 1: happened afterwards, Well, carefully, that is my blessed father. Let
Speaker 1: me take my father who didn't like my Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something about my dad. I don't know what
Speaker 1: he ever thought about fucking death. Like he was as
Speaker 1: catholic as my mom made him be.
Speaker 2: So you don't think he believed, indn't.
Speaker 1: I think he fucking lied to get pussy, and that
Speaker 1: pussy was And you met Mamie and she's.
Speaker 3: Wonderful and fucking what a great heart.
Speaker 1: But could you imagine some dude was like, I believe
Speaker 1: whatever you say, let me in there, let me just
Speaker 1: like I just need a taste grace.
Speaker 6: To make a stop, make a duet, a taste grace.
Speaker 1: And she's like, listen, who's Jesus? And he's like this,
Speaker 1: whoever you say, he is grace. My father wasn't religiously
Speaker 1: like he'd been baptized when he was born, because he
Speaker 1: was like born with the cleft flip and the cleft palate.
Speaker 1: So they were worried like he might fucking die. That's
Speaker 1: how I'm like, Barbara, not barbaric. They were just it
Speaker 1: was olden days. They were like, you know, fucking that
Speaker 1: thing that hung on our wall forever, the medical guide
Speaker 1: that would talked about like young Donald might now be
Speaker 1: like a contributing member of society. And it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: it's not like he was born without just ahead he
Speaker 1: was sucking a cleft lip and a cleft palette, like
Speaker 1: I think he.
Speaker 5: Was always can't do something.
Speaker 1: They were like, this sub human little baby beast might
Speaker 1: one day be fucking taken it by somebody with half
Speaker 1: a fucking heart. But who would want this mutated fuck?
Speaker 1: Even his mother's terrified of this monster in a crib.
Speaker 1: It's it's not that bad, but it is like very
Speaker 1: much like they talk about him as being like, well,
Speaker 1: he probably wouldn't get amounted much, but now, thanks to
Speaker 1: cosmetic surgery, he'll work at a fucking perfume counter at Macy's.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that poor motherfucker god who was not
Speaker 1: given the faith of his own And he had parents
Speaker 1: that were very like, you know, just fucking he doted
Speaker 1: on his fucking parents and shit.
Speaker 3: Then when he met mom Lely and.
Speaker 1: Starts going time with her, his parents should like fucking
Speaker 1: fuck him, like the guy attle better and shit. But
Speaker 1: that's a dude who you know, never once across the
Speaker 1: you know, he was.
Speaker 3: Alive for twenty nine no more, let me.
Speaker 5: See maybe thirty.
Speaker 1: Well he died twenty years ago, so I'm yeah, thirty four.
Speaker 1: So he's around for like thirty three thirty four years
Speaker 1: of my life and never once I hear him say like,
Speaker 1: you know, Jesus's Lord, we just went he just went
Speaker 1: to he was around well, mamily like later in life
Speaker 1: admitted too that she was like, you know, this is
Speaker 1: just what I was taught. Like really yeah, like she's
Speaker 1: she's not mine.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't go church somewhere.
Speaker 1: Special occasions maybe, but now after like the year she
Speaker 1: had and the procedures she went through, she really barely
Speaker 1: leaves the fucking house to go to Donald's house. But yeah, Momily,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, like through in the town on church,
Speaker 1: but like kind of you know, came to a place
Speaker 1: where she was just like.
Speaker 3: Why why did I believe this?
Speaker 1: Not it's because she was handed it as a child.
Speaker 1: They were like, this is what we believe in shit.
Speaker 1: Like the other day I was talking to Momily and
Speaker 1: I busted into the apostles creed, which is this like
Speaker 1: fucking I don't know if you'd called a prayer, it's
Speaker 1: this thing. It's creed, they say out loud in church,
Speaker 1: like after the homily then they start like, we believe
Speaker 1: in God to follow the mighty creative every earth, and
Speaker 1: it's all the shit you're supposed to like believe as
Speaker 1: a Catholic.
Speaker 3: And I rocked into it the other day.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I believe, mom I
Speaker 1: believe in one God, the Father. I might.
Speaker 3: And she fucking loved it.
Speaker 1: And not because she's like, yeah, that's what I believe,
Speaker 1: motherfucking man Jesus. But instead she was just like she
Speaker 1: gets thrilled whenever anything from childhood stuck because that's her.
Speaker 3: That was her time.
Speaker 1: I'm to shine. So she's like, oh, he only knows
Speaker 1: this ship because I dragged. And even though she's like,
Speaker 1: I don't even necessarily believe in it, she said, but
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you for memorizing. Momily is the kind
Speaker 1: of person that will like, if you're like, rock your preposition,
Speaker 1: she's like, oh about the cross about she could rattle
Speaker 1: them off. It's fucking nuts.
Speaker 3: I can do that.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, wait, I gotta ask for that.
Speaker 2: About Momily. I need a talk.
Speaker 1: Come on, how are you mad? I'm sitting here with Harley, Hi, Grandma?
Speaker 7: You doing?
Speaker 8: I'm good?
Speaker 1: How are you miserabad? And cut off.
Speaker 9: Yesterday, I went through the procedure for my heart to
Speaker 9: put something else that they can hear the beats of
Speaker 9: my heart. But you were supposed to be doing it
Speaker 9: in my groin, which is where he started. But my
Speaker 9: leg pills didn't kick getting enough time, and my one
Speaker 9: leg was jumping like crazy, so he couldn't cut my
Speaker 9: my groin on my right leg. He's fray because of
Speaker 9: my jumping so much, you know, so instead he cut
Speaker 9: my neck.
Speaker 1: He went in by your neck.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I got a dining in my neck.
Speaker 1: Good lord, Ma, you you make aging sound fun.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, real fun.
Speaker 2: I'm so worried that.
Speaker 1: Harley said, she's so sorry that you had.
Speaker 3: To go through.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Harley.
Speaker 6: It wasn't a picnic yesterday.
Speaker 7: After all the time, we had a wait cless at
Speaker 7: the emergency surgery and poor Donald hadn't had much sleep.
Speaker 1: That had them come in early and they didn't get
Speaker 1: to her for hours. Really, ye listen, we're recording the
Speaker 1: podcast as we speak. But why I called was to
Speaker 1: ask you can you still do your list of prepositions? Oh?
Speaker 2: You mean about it?
Speaker 7: Both close up against the long among round half before
Speaker 7: behind thelow beneath the side between beneath beside between. Oh, no,
Speaker 7: I lost my I guess again, of course, inf agains
Speaker 7: along the mung round at before the side between. Come on,
Speaker 7: what happened?
Speaker 1: God, Grace, hurry, there's no money on the line if
Speaker 1: you don't.
Speaker 7: That was.
Speaker 2: That was impressive.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Harley.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to make sure I could get get
Speaker 6: the mollut of buff cross intergence along the mung around
Speaker 6: hat before behind me, no before, behind the low beneath
Speaker 6: the side between beyond by down during except for from
Speaker 6: and into a wolf on overpassed through till two, toured
Speaker 6: under until up upon with within with that excellent.
Speaker 1: That was incredible, seventy eight years old, and rote memorization
Speaker 1: still still there. Man, that was. It's truly no papers
Speaker 1: in front of me to read it. It's all in
Speaker 1: the brain.
Speaker 3: You're fantastic.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: All right, go hang out with Kaby. We'll we'll talk
Speaker 1: to you later on. I don't want to take you
Speaker 1: from time. I love you, Mom, I love you.
Speaker 7: I love you too, Honey. And I love you too, Harley,
Speaker 7: to the moon and back.
Speaker 2: I love you so much, Grandma.
Speaker 7: Thank you, honey.
Speaker 1: I love you I'll check in later on.
Speaker 10: Okay you I'll be here all night, all right, love you, okay,
Speaker 10: love you too, Love you, Harley, baby, I love you.
Speaker 10: Okay you have a good night. Good But are just
Speaker 10: doing a podcast together?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing the podcast as we speak. You're on it.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the really yeah.
Speaker 7: Sorry, the voices and.
Speaker 1: That good so fantastic. And you and you brought the
Speaker 1: content right away, man, Yeah, you'd be like I went
Speaker 1: through a life. You brought the content right off the bat.
Speaker 3: You're like, I went through a harrowing heart thing.
Speaker 1: But listen to this about.
Speaker 7: That's all one got it. You know you're recording it.
Speaker 6: God, Yeah, and then I can explain why didn't woman
Speaker 6: explain you?
Speaker 7: We're recording about I couldn't go into groin.
Speaker 1: And I had to go to my next Yeah, all
Speaker 1: of that wonderful. I love you. I'll talk to you, grandma.
Speaker 9: Okay, thank you. I'm love you too, Harley, thank you,
Speaker 9: thank you. Okay, Okay, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Who knew that, Momly there was a man who was like,
Speaker 1: I believe in any God. You tell me too, if
Speaker 1: you will just give me a taste grace. Stop.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna throw something out you. That is my grandma.
Speaker 2: That's my grandma.
Speaker 1: That's how we got here. We got here because fucking
Speaker 1: Popa was like my wane, I.
Speaker 2: Got it, I got it.
Speaker 1: So my you know, worldview is uh informed by her.
Speaker 1: Your worldview was informed by me, your mom, nan and
Speaker 1: my and my My worldview is not just informed as
Speaker 1: her and my dad and also my grandmother and my
Speaker 1: brother and sister too because they were older. But you know,
Speaker 1: religion came with it like that was. It was never
Speaker 1: like a would you like to believe in God? It
Speaker 1: was just like we believe in one god.
Speaker 3: Motherfucker the Father. I might have creator of her nerve older.
Speaker 1: Scene unseen ship like that sounds impressive, was doing the prepositions, but.
Speaker 2: No, that nothing will ever be.
Speaker 1: You see how she launched right, do you mean next
Speaker 1: time I'm there, I'm a shooter for TikTok video. That
Speaker 1: was she rolls right into it. She's like, oh, you
Speaker 1: made a bout across the world. She eventually got it too,
Speaker 1: she likes she kept hitting like between was a wall
Speaker 1: for her and then then yeah, and she's worked all
Speaker 1: the way to With.
Speaker 5: The gun to my head, I could not even I
Speaker 5: don't even know what the solicit is.
Speaker 1: And that is why my father was like, I just
Speaker 1: got she knows her prepositions so well, I can't live
Speaker 1: about it say them all.
Speaker 3: My mom would be like about.
Speaker 1: Down all right. So they taught me about life, death
Speaker 1: and afterwards what happened?
Speaker 3: Yes, so what is yours?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 5: You know what's interesting that I've spoken a lot about
Speaker 5: with Austin because Austin, as we've discussed.
Speaker 3: Somewhat religious.
Speaker 1: Yes, certainly more than you, yes, But he comes from
Speaker 1: a religious his dad's like Catholic.
Speaker 5: Catholic, Yes, he was raised Catholic. But it's interesting because
Speaker 5: although I wasn't raised with the religion, I was raised
Speaker 5: to be moral.
Speaker 1: Because you do have a morality, one doesn't need religion.
Speaker 5: But in my core, since a mother is such a strong.
Speaker 8: Atheist, that is like my core is like I I
Speaker 8: was so anti any religion because mom is so atheist.
Speaker 2: Like growing up, I was just like.
Speaker 5: I don't know what was und So I feel like
Speaker 5: I was just at the other, the opposite end of
Speaker 5: the spectrum because I wasn't. I was raised to believe
Speaker 5: really strongly in the opposite direction, which I didn't really
Speaker 5: realize until I met Austin.
Speaker 2: He was like, well.
Speaker 1: The lord the lords here, I mean your faces? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Anyways, what happens when you die?
Speaker 2: Anyways?
Speaker 5: Back to that, I mean, I I believe in science,
Speaker 5: so I I do agree that and believe that energy,
Speaker 5: the energy that is here will always be here. And
Speaker 5: I I believe that our energy has to transfer on
Speaker 5: to something something.
Speaker 3: Else, memories.
Speaker 1: Knowledge.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I do. I do really feel as
Speaker 2: though I was an animal in a past life.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Well, are you where my tailephone situation?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Do you have a coxsic longer than normal coxic? Do
Speaker 3: you have a tail?
Speaker 1: I think would have told me something like that after
Speaker 1: I was there, when you were born. I saw no
Speaker 1: evidence of a tale.
Speaker 2: Well maybe there wasn't a tail at that point.
Speaker 1: But he just had a longer coxic than normal.
Speaker 3: Somebody tell you that.
Speaker 1: Yes, they told that to.
Speaker 3: Uncle Don as well.
Speaker 1: Really, but Little Done also had gills. No shit, he
Speaker 1: had gills.
Speaker 2: No, he fucking did not.
Speaker 1: When we're in utero, that's we breathed through like we're
Speaker 1: not fully formed yet, so he his gills never closed over.
Speaker 2: You're fucking like me.
Speaker 3: Were even him?
Speaker 1: Right now Broly got gills. He'd be like about across
Speaker 1: a both that he was in. He was thirteen in
Speaker 1: eighth grade, and he passed out one day in class,
Speaker 1: and so I remember, you know, he went to the
Speaker 1: hospital and they were like doing testa on and ship
Speaker 1: and they found out that he had guilt. His gills
Speaker 1: never closed over.
Speaker 3: Let me see if he can.
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of unbelieved.
Speaker 1: I'm not making it is possible.
Speaker 2: And I thought you breathed through your umbilical cord.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that's how you're you get your.
Speaker 1: Nutrition, right, bruh?
Speaker 2: Anybody have to kill.
Speaker 3: Let me see.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows anybody's number anymore.
Speaker 3: I always got it.
Speaker 2: Do you know my number? Don't say it?
Speaker 1: I think I I think.
Speaker 2: I do absolutely.
Speaker 5: I'm like, do you know my address?
Speaker 1: You're like, yes, I still know my grandma's phone number,
Speaker 1: my childhood phone number.
Speaker 3: Call failed?
Speaker 2: What the what's with the service in your house?
Speaker 3: I won't do it?
Speaker 1: Come on, brou I'm.
Speaker 2: Not really man, Well that's convenient called.
Speaker 1: Grandma back, So don't get me start And then Bill's
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: What happens?
Speaker 5: I just believe that our energy transfer is.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you believe in ghosts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what's that?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, you're supposed to have answers.
Speaker 1: I really whole point of having a kid, I was like,
Speaker 1: somebody will explain shit to me one day.
Speaker 2: I don't believe there is a heaven or a hell.
Speaker 3: You don't believe in heaven or health.
Speaker 5: Fair, except I do really love this story, baby, do
Speaker 5: you know what that's worth?
Speaker 3: Heaven is a place on earth?
Speaker 1: They said heaven, love comes first. Heaven is a place. No.
Speaker 5: I think we spoke about it one time, but Lucifer
Speaker 5: was a fallen angel.
Speaker 3: Where we're going again.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I don't.
Speaker 2: Believe in heaven or hell.
Speaker 5: But that story, that story, really that doesn't really like then.
Speaker 1: You don't even need to fuck with the Bible and
Speaker 1: enjoy story because that story is not in the Bible.
Speaker 1: That one hits well, because yeah, because it's like something
Speaker 1: out of Marvel, and he became the fucking Darth Vader
Speaker 1: of fucking religion and ship. And it's also just like
Speaker 1: you know, when whenever one speaks about the devil Satan Lucifer,
Speaker 1: you know, it's always like, oh, fucking the killing things,
Speaker 1: sacrificing his name, fucking orgies, just fucking unnatural weirdness. Everything
Speaker 1: that his normal is inverted and shit like that. So
Speaker 1: the notion that like, oh no, he started as God's
Speaker 1: like brightest and most beloved angel, the best of the best,
Speaker 1: who was then asked to you know, bout and man
Speaker 1: and was like, no, they're gross. I'm better than them,
Speaker 1: and then threw it all away, turned on his creator
Speaker 1: because of you, a human being with nothing to bring
Speaker 1: to the party. You ain't got wings, you ain't angelico,
Speaker 1: a little angel, but you ain't angelic. So fucking Lucifer
Speaker 1: was like, this is bullshit, fucking and then he struck.
Speaker 2: I would I mean God.
Speaker 1: Was like, we don't, We're not union. He cast them
Speaker 1: all out, he got.
Speaker 3: Rid of them all.
Speaker 5: What would you do in that situation? Would you bow?
Speaker 5: If someone was all of a sudden like to these
Speaker 5: people out of nowhere?
Speaker 3: Is it God, my creator?
Speaker 1: In this instance, you're supposed to fear God. And that
Speaker 1: was the problem with loser he and fear God. He
Speaker 1: lost us, He lost his fear of God.
Speaker 2: Well, why should you live in fears?
Speaker 3: What a great question.
Speaker 2: I was just wondering, I live in fear question.
Speaker 1: But fear, they always say fear God in the religious
Speaker 1: sex because you're supposed to be so awed buying, so
Speaker 1: scared by his infinite power and what he could do
Speaker 1: to you, that your love and fear are inner check.
Speaker 2: How fucked fear are interchangeable?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you love God, but fear God as well, because
Speaker 1: God is your creator, created you.
Speaker 3: Buddy.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't mean to offend.
Speaker 1: You're not offend me. I left the club, like what,
Speaker 1: like what why?
Speaker 2: Why live in fear? Why teach people that?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Like blows my mind And it just.
Speaker 11: Blows my why because you're trying to control the population, bitch,
Speaker 11: like basically like fucking.
Speaker 1: Like, hey man, at one point the idea of and
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 5: Caught you a bitch, you know what, I was going
Speaker 5: to say something, you know what I was I was
Speaker 5: gonna ask you about.
Speaker 1: But at one point they people were eating fucking you know,
Speaker 1: pigs and dying right because they were unclean. They were
Speaker 1: clean properly and shit like that is way back in
Speaker 1: biblical days. That's why you know they were like God
Speaker 1: says you can't eat unclean animals like a pig, So
Speaker 1: no bacon, no ham. And you know it was made
Speaker 1: to be a religious rite, like a matter of faith,
Speaker 1: but really it was to fucking stop people from fucking
Speaker 1: dying on bad meat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was prepared improperly and ship.
Speaker 1: So they use religion like anything that works, right, Like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you if in
Speaker 1: order to stop COVID, we didn't have a vaccine, but
Speaker 1: we had to like convince people that God wanted them
Speaker 1: to wear masks. Yeah, and it worked for some folks.
Speaker 1: So sometimes, you know, the group think or whatever fuck
Speaker 1: probably saved a lot of lives back in the day.
Speaker 1: Although as we now know that the Darwin rule is
Speaker 1: like the strong and the brightest get to survive and stuff.
Speaker 1: So if you're like, somebody's like that Ham's going to
Speaker 1: kill you and you're like, oh, goove, shit tastes good,
Speaker 1: then that's on you.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: But they made it about the lord.
Speaker 2: Moral of the story. Don't meet the fucking out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't want to say, but it's right there.
Speaker 2: The message is loud and clear.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: So you do believe in ghosts, you don't believe in angels?
Speaker 5: No? I actually, well, okay, this is where things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so curious.
Speaker 5: I believe you know, I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 5: I believe. I think there could be some how.
Speaker 1: Wonderfully uncomplicated that aspect of your life has been, Like,
Speaker 1: think about it. I was raised in a house where
Speaker 1: they were.
Speaker 2: Like, you have to believe this, But it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't even like a punishment. It never occurred to me
Speaker 1: to believe anything else. Then, what the people I love
Speaker 1: and whose job it was to look out for me
Speaker 1: and cared for me at all times, why would.
Speaker 3: They fucking feed me bullshit?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Now, one day my parents had to be like, Santa
Speaker 1: Claus doesn't exist, and I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And they're like, it's just a beautiful story we tell
Speaker 1: kids and like the spirit is there, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: And still in the same straight face, we're like, but God, bro,
Speaker 1: God is that's why we really celebrate Christmas?
Speaker 2: Do you remember when you told me Santa wasn't real?
Speaker 3: Heartbreaking sucks.
Speaker 5: I locked myself in your bathroom.
Speaker 3: You that's because you didn't have God to fall back on.
Speaker 1: My parents are like, but God's real, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank God, I wish they told me. Then when I
Speaker 1: was six, my God, the chances of being is really
Speaker 1: fucking Santa Claus.
Speaker 3: That would have changed everything.
Speaker 2: You'd be a different person.
Speaker 1: I know, thank god they didn't. Honestly, like a little
Speaker 1: ignorance will go a long way. And I never did
Speaker 1: any independent study. I just believed what I was told
Speaker 1: by wouldn't I stuff. But here's my thing, I'm not villainized.
Speaker 1: I think my parents were wonderful, but they were fed
Speaker 1: a bunch of bullshit. Well not my dad so much,
Speaker 1: but my mom was. And my dad wanted my mom
Speaker 1: so then he fucking yes. So he just started believing
Speaker 1: that bullshit too, and then didn't even mind that she
Speaker 1: passed it on us. He was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's like, my wife believes in some for cocta shit
Speaker 1: and now she's raising these three kids believe the same thing.
Speaker 1: But I wanted, I wanted.
Speaker 3: I gotta have it.
Speaker 1: I'll give a ship. I will support everything that meats
Speaker 1: something to me for a danger case.
Speaker 5: This is my mom and my boly you're talking about, show.
Speaker 1: Man, that's that Momley now is a sweet little old lady.
Speaker 3: Look oh she's so cute. But Mom was like, cute.
Speaker 2: Cute doesn't even begin the cover.
Speaker 1: Bro Back in the day this ship broke men.
Speaker 2: I would do anything to her momly say bro cra
Speaker 2: she was.
Speaker 1: We were like like about above across bro oh.
Speaker 5: You mean this broot about all right?
Speaker 1: So do you believe in demons?
Speaker 2: I believe there are. I believe.
Speaker 1: There was a guy here in town once who told
Speaker 1: me the vampires were real. I met him about financing
Speaker 1: a movie and ship like that, and as we were leaving,
Speaker 1: I was like, where are you going? He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: going out.
Speaker 3: You want to go out?
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm at no home. He guys,
Speaker 1: You're like, you're home before it's dark. Huh for the vampires.
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, And he goes, there are vampires.
Speaker 3: In this town.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, and he was like, there are
Speaker 1: and he named a director, a name, director whose name
Speaker 1: I know, who's directed movies I've seen. He's like he's
Speaker 1: one of them. And I was like, you're saying they're
Speaker 1: like the undead they suck. But he's like, oh, they're
Speaker 1: not undead. They just practice as vampires. So they they
Speaker 1: gather in room with you know, fucking houses with blacked
Speaker 1: out windows and they drink blood.
Speaker 3: And I was like.
Speaker 1: Like, as he's like, no, they bleep it and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, but they think they're gonna
Speaker 1: fucking grow fangs, and he said.
Speaker 3: That's not to them.
Speaker 1: Vampers and vampiresm to that is you know, fucking unholy
Speaker 1: meetings and drinking blood.
Speaker 3: And like that. And they use.
Speaker 1: Tell me this dude was a bit sketch himself.
Speaker 2: Do I know who this person is?
Speaker 1: Not at all? I only met him one time with
Speaker 1: Gene Simmons, of all people from Kiss. It was because
Speaker 1: we were trying to make this weird We were trying
Speaker 1: to make this crampist movie. Gene Simmons was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't I know guy who can go to fund
Speaker 1: and start away, and he brought me to use this guy.
Speaker 3: This guy put money into.
Speaker 1: This kind of real movies. But this dude was also like,
Speaker 1: you know, there are vampires, you know, dude, And I
Speaker 1: don't like, look, I know it's like, oh this town,
Speaker 1: every place.
Speaker 5: I'm sure every place has been tires.
Speaker 1: It's like hidden fucking weirdos who are like you know,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, we drink blood. But hearing it and
Speaker 1: watching that dude say it's so like fucking like, oh
Speaker 1: yeah that's true.
Speaker 3: It did unnerve me.
Speaker 2: Just so serious and the like.
Speaker 1: The director he's older, but he's directed like mainstream fucking movies.
Speaker 2: I got him though I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't even I was gonna tell you the franchise
Speaker 1: he worked for.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you after that, but you don't.
Speaker 1: Even know that. It's not even been like what that
Speaker 1: motherburger like. He's not like a brand name director that
Speaker 1: you would know, but he was a brand name director
Speaker 1: back in the day who worked a lot and shit
Speaker 1: could be like fucking you know, people who just like
Speaker 1: you know, like Rosemaries baby and shit like they believe.
Speaker 5: I feel like those people exist.
Speaker 1: In a world where like mamily, you know, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: there was a war in heaven and the angels one
Speaker 1: and then they cast the other bad angels for sure.
Speaker 1: Poor motherfuckers were like, dude, it's a ward Heaven.
Speaker 3: Mighty, but I'd.
Speaker 1: Rather rain in hell than serving him and fuck you God.
Speaker 1: But you know, then there are also people that are like,
Speaker 1: you know, iron Man died for all of us. And
Speaker 1: that's that's my favorite story right there.
Speaker 2: That's what we believe that.
Speaker 1: We believe and think about it, the Jesus story. He
Speaker 1: starts good.
Speaker 3: And just gets better.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying he's born pure in a
Speaker 1: fucking manger. They laid him as a fucking with animals
Speaker 1: and shit like that and fucking and then he's so
Speaker 1: he's born a good boy and he gets he only
Speaker 1: gets better, and then he dies. You know, Tony Stark's
Speaker 1: story is about growth and change, going from being a
Speaker 1: child to understanding that the world is bigger than.
Speaker 3: You, and you.
Speaker 1: And such a good man. He learned a thing. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking like you know if you love Jesus
Speaker 1: by all means, but like you know, what Jesus learned
Speaker 1: was like my father wants me to do what I'm
Speaker 1: down here having a ball, and what.
Speaker 5: You tell me which story is more impactful? We got
Speaker 5: it in a whole another episode.
Speaker 1: Jesus had a better costume, it'd be a lot easier totally,
Speaker 1: because he's.
Speaker 2: Got like untouchable.
Speaker 3: He's got like good character.
Speaker 1: All the Christianity has good characters, right, they just don't
Speaker 1: wear very colorful offics because all the stories happened back
Speaker 1: in like desert times.
Speaker 2: This is just like a cloth around.
Speaker 1: His well, that's when he was on the cross. You
Speaker 1: can get him a few action figures because he wore
Speaker 1: a few different things like fucking regular, you know, fucking
Speaker 1: son of God, fatigues, a wedding in Cana fatigues. He
Speaker 1: probably wore white, you know, in crucifixion clothes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get three actions. Oh baby Jesus, oh of course.
Speaker 1: And then twelve year old Jesus preaching to the to
Speaker 1: the Pharisees and the Saddus sees in the temple. That's
Speaker 1: a story like his parents are looking for him, like
Speaker 1: we can't find Jesus and they find him in the
Speaker 1: temple and all the fucking high priests and people are
Speaker 1: sitting around listening to this twelve year old kid talk
Speaker 1: about Kingdom of God like Kate fucking.
Speaker 3: Knows this ship. It's a cool story, right.
Speaker 1: If you put that in a Marvel comic or DC
Speaker 1: comic and be like, oh, it's badass a hit because
Speaker 1: then the kid puts out a costume later on, that's ass.
Speaker 1: Of course, Jesus never wore a mask.
Speaker 3: He wore a beard.
Speaker 1: That was the problem some of this, some fucking.
Speaker 2: Like that's fucking golden.
Speaker 1: That's how you get It's so the boy who thinks
Speaker 1: he is Marty Martin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you believe it?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1: He's that boy's nineteen now, so you can shoot up.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna believe this truth.
Speaker 1: I mean why, and I'm not against it. I just
Speaker 1: want to know why you choose to read.
Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of my beliefs about since
Speaker 5: I wasn't raised to really believe one thing except that
Speaker 5: there is to not believe in religion.
Speaker 1: As far as religion, you were raised to believe a
Speaker 1: lot of very positive things. But just when it came to.
Speaker 5: Religions, yes, yes, I'm solely speaking about religion and spirituality.
Speaker 1: We gave her a more out. She's not just like
Speaker 1: I started killing small animals because life means nothing.
Speaker 5: Since I was.
Speaker 1: I believe nothing, So I believe no life is safe,
Speaker 1: not yours.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, if I would never excuse me, I.
Speaker 1: Know that's that you're you're a commercial for not raising
Speaker 1: a kid of religion because you've got a real good
Speaker 1: head on your shoulders and you're a good person.
Speaker 5: I never did anything wrong. I never snuck out of
Speaker 5: this house.
Speaker 1: I don't think you.
Speaker 2: I never did any drugs before.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're not an angel. You could be
Speaker 1: an no, bro, I might as well.
Speaker 5: I didn't do nothing.
Speaker 2: I didn't do nothing yet pre mar sex well, thank
Speaker 2: you for listening tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I remember any stories in the Bible and was like, and.
Speaker 3: I got into some teenage padding.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening this weekend.
Speaker 11: After I played John, we do a little piece of
Speaker 11: the show for you give me my Name.
Speaker 5: I really there should be a Crucible musical version of
Speaker 5: the Cruis.
Speaker 2: I thought that music be pretty.
Speaker 1: Give me back my name, woman, give me back, give
Speaker 1: him back his name. And then hester no, that's that's
Speaker 1: the that's the letter. What's the name of the name,
Speaker 1: Goodie Proctor, Goodie Proctor? Right, good? I think you call
Speaker 1: it Goodie Proctor. Goodie Proctor. Finally stands up and she's like,
Speaker 1: nobody's taken your name. Fuck that.
Speaker 11: They're trying to kill me for being a witch, and
Speaker 11: you're worried about your fucking name, But woman, kill meat
Speaker 11: my name.
Speaker 5: This guy will not fucking sit down.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's man explaining the Crucible to me?
Speaker 5: Can we also talk about how the Abigail to My
Speaker 5: John Proctor has now been an opening act.
Speaker 2: For Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, I mean c Abrams was this was.
Speaker 5: The Abigail to My John Proctor.
Speaker 1: Is that right? And she was Goodie Proctor, she was,
Speaker 1: and that well. I thought it was wait a sector,
Speaker 1: I think you did the show, not may I read
Speaker 1: the book.
Speaker 5: I gave the performance of a lifetime that was unforgettable.
Speaker 1: You left it all on the stage although there was
Speaker 1: no stage, it was just a flat floor, the platform.
Speaker 1: Everything was painting. Like watching it was like watching a
Speaker 1: play done on a basketball court. It was like because
Speaker 1: the audience was right there, like we were in the show.
Speaker 1: I was like, get back his name, so we get
Speaker 1: out of here. Fuck you. I remember being very impressed
Speaker 1: and you came up after what I will never forget.
Speaker 3: Let me.
Speaker 2: You came up and this thing you said. I was like,
Speaker 2: that was intense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because at the end you were like fucking night.
Speaker 12: Curtain behind in the backstage, which wasn't a backstage because
Speaker 12: once again it was in stage.
Speaker 1: It was it was very off on guard theater.
Speaker 5: Behind the wall, listening to the saddest my Chemical Romance songs.
Speaker 2: Came myself to cry.
Speaker 1: What you were doing? Oh yeah, oh my god. When
Speaker 1: we were making Red Steak, Kyle Gollner, you know, his
Speaker 1: character go through a lot in the movie and ship
Speaker 1: at one point, he's like tied to a fucking crossing ship.
Speaker 1: So he would go off and listen to like death
Speaker 1: metal and speed metal and depressing music. Man, no, no,
Speaker 1: I just got he fucking looks so haunted. And then
Speaker 1: you're like you're ready and be like and then start
Speaker 1: acting you do that ship too? Yeah, well, never once
Speaker 1: in my entire life I've been like, I gotta be silent, bo,
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna listen to silence. Are you ready
Speaker 1: for me? Now?
Speaker 5: That's that's gotta be the next.
Speaker 1: Says give me back my name? Woman, Like, is he
Speaker 1: talking to you?
Speaker 2: Got to put that in the next one. That's got
Speaker 2: to be his one line.
Speaker 1: For those for those who have never fucked the Crucible.
Speaker 1: While he does want his name back, he never asks
Speaker 1: a woman for it.
Speaker 2: He never calls anybody whom. I can assure.
Speaker 1: You, I'm not saying I'm fucking more clever than Arthur Miller,
Speaker 1: but I do fail.
Speaker 5: It would have been a little more impactful, all right.
Speaker 1: It's a little boy, A little boy you feel could
Speaker 1: be telling the truth.
Speaker 12: I just feel like a lot of my beliefs, which
Speaker 12: are not even fully formed beliefs, just more thoughts and
Speaker 12: feelings ideas that I have, thank you, ideas about spirituality.
Speaker 5: A lot of them don't add up together. They're more
Speaker 5: separate thoughts, like I don't.
Speaker 2: Believe in heaven, Aura hell, but I do feel like
Speaker 2: there is maybe some.
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2: I actually have no working idea. Who truly knows.
Speaker 5: But like, wouldn't you like to think that populis looking
Speaker 5: at you somewhere?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where you took it. Don't get me
Speaker 1: a cry about my father's gone. Give me back my father, woman,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. But also, like, you know what.
Speaker 3: Let me be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Whenever I do a show in front of people, that's
Speaker 1: that's when.
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 1: My Like, that's the closest I feel to my father.
Speaker 2: Oh that's really sweet.
Speaker 1: He liked when I would get up on stage and
Speaker 1: do ship. So whenever I like doing a show, at
Speaker 1: a certain point in the evening, it was a moment
Speaker 1: where I'm like, there he is in the audience.
Speaker 2: That's really beautiful.
Speaker 5: I think that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: And he's sitting there and he's thinking like, well, won't
Speaker 1: he give him back his thing?
Speaker 2: Please give this poor son of a bitch name, make
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: Please names when we go home. Grace who said that
Speaker 1: Grace the boy won't give him back? Then it's not
Speaker 1: even the thought of a story. I don't care. I
Speaker 1: just want to go.
Speaker 2: The ghost in the back room.
Speaker 5: Wait, do you believe in ghost house?
Speaker 3: There was? I would have met that coast.
Speaker 1: You know it's in this house something fucking living. Because
Speaker 1: in the sofit of my office at four or five
Speaker 1: in the morning, if I'm up riding, I'll hear skintering,
Speaker 1: which I'm going to just assume as a squirrel because
Speaker 1: there's so many.
Speaker 2: You tell yourself whatever you got.
Speaker 1: I don't see any rats around here, but I do
Speaker 1: see squirrels. Well, no, I haven't seen it rit in
Speaker 1: fucking years, man, But I did see you know, we
Speaker 1: live in the hills. But I heard one of them
Speaker 1: moving something that sounded like an oxygen take rolling. It
Speaker 1: like metal rolling.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what if they build?
Speaker 1: What does he building? Them? There? The ultimate weapon? He's like,
Speaker 1: when it's finished, will kill the man.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like the elves.
Speaker 1: Will kill the man and take every thing that is.
Speaker 1: The dogs will be eyes. The dogs will look up periodically.
Speaker 1: Know what that fucking noise.
Speaker 5: Of the squirrels, the oxygen squirrel.
Speaker 1: There's no I ain't seen evidence of no rat, but
Speaker 1: I've seen squirrels everywhere. That makes squirrels make sense. Let's
Speaker 1: leave it at squirrels.
Speaker 5: Do you believe in heaven or hell?
Speaker 3: Not anymore?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Why are you scared about on that?
Speaker 1: Oh? Because I fucking I don't think you should tempt
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't. I don't just not believing in heaven
Speaker 1: hell does not. I mean I can't believe in evil,
Speaker 1: the force of evil, the energy of evil.
Speaker 13: I think evil lives inside of humans, though I think that,
Speaker 13: I think demons live inside. I think demons are like
Speaker 13: the the evil thoughts.
Speaker 1: And do you know demons which.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Etymology is the study of words, so etymologically speaking, wow.
Speaker 1: Demon came from the Greek damon e d A E
Speaker 1: m r. And originally it did not mean evil spirit,
Speaker 1: it meant guiding spirit. So jimminy cricket was a demon,
Speaker 1: and that's because of religion. They slowly turned it from
Speaker 1: from a supernatural being that would guide and help a
Speaker 1: human being into the devil. And the fact that.
Speaker 5: Bruh jiminy cricket was demon.
Speaker 1: What is his thing.
Speaker 3: What's he say all the time?
Speaker 1: He's not where where shop? He sings it?
Speaker 5: I honestly one one would be other friends who you
Speaker 5: are everything your heart isar.
Speaker 3: We will come with Satan.
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