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Welcome to Dog Parkology, a show that
looks at the concept of dog parks

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through our relationship with dogs,
with each other, and with the land.

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In the previous episode for this
series, we explored how dog parks can

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be a way to connect with strangers.

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The individual connections we form through
that experience, whether they remain more

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casual or grow into deeper connections,
relationships can also accumulate

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into a healthier community ecosystem.

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These benefits bring us to
the idea of social capital.

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Social capital is an indicator
of community cohesion and the

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resources that are available.

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This is Megan Mueller from our last
episode, an Associate Professor of Human

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Animal Interaction at Tufts University.

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And part of this is social support,
which we see with human pet interactions,

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that social facilitation piece.

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Then there's also some
instrumental support too.

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For example, if I am running late from
work and I know that my neighbor will take

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my dog out for a walk, that helps build
social capital and social cohesion because

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a big part of that is knowing that I can
rely on the people in my community and

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the people in my community can rely on me.

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You could think in some ways that dog
parks help facilitate this type of.

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Reciprocal interaction
going on where people share

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responsibilities or share care.

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These types of interactions
can snowball other types of

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connection and cohesion as well.

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If people know each other's names,
we start to care for one another.

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We build communities that are more
tight knit, safer, and welcoming.

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The more people in a neighborhood can
trust each other, the more they want to

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look out for each other's well being.

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Scholars have defined this term of social
capital in different ways over the years.

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In Simon Schroeder's book, Social Capital,
Critical Perspectives, he said it was

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simply the social relationships between
people that enable productive outcomes.

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If an individual comes into contact
with his neighbor and they with

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other neighbors, there will be an
accumulation of social capital.

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As we've grown more isolated,
it's more essential than ever to

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know one another better and to
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bigger than our individual selves.

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The kind of technological environment
that we're finding ourselves in, the

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kind of contagious COVID, all of these
things have hurt our social relations.

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And dog products, why I'm so interested
in them, why I think they're so incredibly

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important, are one way that we begin
to put these things back together.

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This is Seth Alo, the director of the
Public Space Research Group for the

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Graduate Center at the City University
of New York, and the author of the

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book, Why Public Space Matters.

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As an anthropologist, she's trained to
look at human behavior and its effects.

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Dogs have worked as a link.

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A way to create new kinds of
relationships, cross class, cross

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race, cross gender, cross any kind
of diversity you can think of, and

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create new kinds of solidarities
around the well being of these animals.

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The part of the dog park that I love.

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that I've gotten interested in is
that it brings the people together in

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completely new formations and ways that
other kinds of environments don't do.

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So here we have Dog Park, bring
people together, create social

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solidarity, forming new alliances.

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One of the things that's
called is weak ties.

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The idea that the ties that are
made don't have to be so deep and

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yet at the same time create a sense
of belonging and attachment to a

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place, to people, and to a community.

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Their root, which is what I've been
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important, is that it creates contact, the
development of what I call public culture,

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and a dog park almost always has it.

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In 1973, mark Granovetter wrote
the Strength of Weak Ties for the

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American Journal of Sociology.

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Granovetter notes, those to whom we
are weekly tied are more likely to move

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in circles different from our own, and
will thus have access to information

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different from that which we receive, and
they can have key benefits in our lives

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by widening our social interactions.

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Having a neutral ground, like
a dog park, allows us to build

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these interactions organically.

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But for this kind of special
community to form, there also has

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to be equitable access to dog parks.

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Public space is a resource, and in
general, it is unequally distributed.

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The wealthy have more trees, more parks,
more everything, and more dog parks.

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And so I would argue, like every other
kind of public space, that this is really

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unacceptable, that there needs to be a
kind of environmental justice in order

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for dog parks to have the kind of positive
role that they can have in society.

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You need to look at public space
from a social justice point of view.

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If we're going to do this, then we're
going to have dog parks for everyone.

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When the question of how a city
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be used for a dog park or not.

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Community members often debate
budget, resources, and land use.

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Those who aren't dog parents
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could be used by everyone.

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Now, in some cities, public
space is at a premium.

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A dog park would not necessarily always
end up having the highest priority.

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You really have to think about it.

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But that doesn't take away
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can really enhance your life.

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It's the amount of solidarity and
interaction in a neighborhood.

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The other way to think about public
space is that the need for places

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for people and dogs to be together
can be adjudicated through time, not

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just through enclosure of spaces.

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And I want to suggest that we be creative
and not get locked into one kind of

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dog run or dog place or whatever,
because there are competing needs.

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I'm just asking us to open up our
minds to different kinds of strategies.

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Really anywhere you go with your
dog, where the dog can be off

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leash is essentially a dog park.

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This could include anywhere
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or another area of nature.

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As long as it provides that playtime
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you to connect with other dogs and
humans, it can have the same impact.

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These less formal gathering spaces
aren't meant to replace dog parks, but

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they can offer alternatives where we can
bring our dogs off leash and connect.

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One of our favorite innovative
dog parks is Dog Mountain,

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created under the vision of artist
Stephen Hunack and his wife Gwen.

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Dog Mountain is nestled
in a small town of St.

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Johnsbury, Vermont.

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Lots of beautiful rolling hills.

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No fast food restaurants here.

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This is Amanda McDormand,
the creative director at Dog

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Mountain for almost two decades.

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St.

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Johnsbury didn't have a dog
park, but we do have a leash law.

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And all you have to know is
that dogs can't play on leashes.

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There was an aspect of play missing
that thankfully Dog Mountain has solved.

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We are located on an old farm grounds.

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It is a hundred and 50 acre fence free
dog park with ponds, fields, miles of

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hiking trails that loop all through the
woods and down through little gullies.

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And it's a really fantastic nature
experience for anyone just looking to get

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outside and enjoy a beautiful day with
their dog, meeting other dogs, new people.

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The massive grounds even include a
unique dog chapel designed by Huneck

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to pay tribute to our furry friends.

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One unique aspect of Dog Mountain is
artist Stephen Huneck created the dog

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chapel as a memorial to pets because
they are such a special part in our life.

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And when we lose them, the
world really doesn't offer much.

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And so Stephen Huneck Stephen
wanted to change that.

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He wanted to create a place
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present and also honor the past.

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Stephen and his wife Gwen
really worked hand in hand.

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He would do the drawing, she
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she would do all the painting.

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It was a lot of fun for the two of them.

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And their dogs were their family, so
that's where they pulled inspiration from.

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And sadly, Stephen and
Gwen are no longer with us.

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But the legacy that They have left
the happiness that Dog Mountain

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brings day in and day out.

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We'll live on for years.

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Dog Mountain is just one of those
places that encapsulates so many

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unique experiences all on one mountain.

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So many people come and visit.

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It is part of their bucket list to
bring their current dog, to give them

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that experience of running through
the fields, jumping in the pond, just

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being part of the dog mountain pack.

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A lot of folks who come from
cities or towns that have your

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quintessential dog park where you get
this fenced in area and that's it.

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When they come to Dog Mountain, it's such
an upgrade, just the feeling of freedom.

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While people travel from across the
country to visit, the grounds have

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become a community center for the locals.

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There's magic on the mountain real
early in the mornings, and a lot

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of our locals, before they go to
work, get their zen at Dog Mountain.

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And just to be in this environment,
it's a real mingling place.

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At five o'clock, I like to call it happy
tail hour because everybody gets out of

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work locally and they all come up to Dog
Mountain and they let their dogs get their

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zoomies out and it's just a great place to
come and just enjoy the beauty of nature.

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I joke, if you don't have a
big backyard, come borrow ours.

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There's plenty of room for all to play.

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I tell people it's neutral territory.

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It's like a big playground.

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So you're not running into any
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The instinct to protect.

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It's more of an instinct to play there.

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There's a lot that we can
learn from these dogs.

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They just meet each other and
they start to run and then off

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they go and they're best friends.

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If only we could drop our guard
so quick and just run and play

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like we did when we were little.

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In addition to providing the open grounds,
they also put on events for the community.

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Some of the great things that
Dog Mountain also offers is,

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there's a free concert series that
happens out in our big backyard.

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Last Sunday, they had some amazing
musicians and it really enriched

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the community to be out with their
neighbors dancing, just smiling.

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We also host weddings, family reunions.

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It's such a unique and spacious place to
really accommodate all kinds of fun stuff.

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And it's a great way to just
have a laugh and let your dog

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be a part of the party crowd.

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Dog Mountain is a wonderful example
of a multi dimensional place that

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provides connectivity for people
and their dogs in a number of ways.

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Another important reason for having
these spaces available in every

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community is the idea of third places.

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The term was coined by sociologist Ray
Oldenburg, who defined third places as

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public places that host the regular,
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anticipated gatherings of individuals.

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The timing is loose, days are
missed, some visits are brief.

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There's a fluidity in the arrivals
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membership at any given hour or day.

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Another key element of the ideal
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Third Places, in fact, are meant
to be social levelers, inclusive

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communities open to the general public
with, as Oldenburg says, no formal

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criteria of membership and exclusion.

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In Chicago, especially, there are a lot
of conversations about dog park deserts.

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And this is to say that a lot
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have dogs in their families.

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This is Anjali Rao, a journalist
and critic based in Chicago who

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focuses on the built environment.

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It just happens to be that the
vast majority of dog parks are

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on Chicago's north side, which
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They have tax bases that can support
greater infrastructure and they're

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often heard in different ways
in black and brown communities.

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The disparities there, I think,
are definitely a political decision

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that is made based on financial
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holds the megaphone in these cities.

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As a workaround, Anjali has seen makeshift
DIY spaces created as one solution.

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Where I lived in Humboldt Park for
a few years, there was a vacant lot

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that had a chain link fence around it.

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It was privately owned and there
was sort of a general understanding

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around neighbors that people
could use it as a dog park.

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And in that way, the understanding
between a private landowner and

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the neighbors worked really well
as a rogue demand for a space.

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I don't think that cities take
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and desire for togetherness enough.

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Sometimes when city officials see that
people are taking infrastructure into

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their own hands, there might be more
of an impetus to address it in a way

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that's safer, that ensures sanitation,
and it might come with a budget as well.

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Well, so giving people more
opportunities that are low cost to

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taxpayers could be really influential.

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It's a chance to allow people to think
about their presence in a city as

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being greater than just themselves.

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And they often take place
in less formal environments.

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And that in and of itself is a
type of social infrastructure.

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A quote from

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Oldenburg's 1989 book.

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Still rings true today.

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The problem of place in America
manifests itself in a sorely

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deficient, informal public life.

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The structure of shared experience beyond
that offered by family, job, and passive

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consumerism is small and dwindling.

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The essential group experiences
being replaced by the exaggerated

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self-consciousness of individuals,
American lifestyles for all the

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material acquisition and the seeking
after comforts and pleasures are

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plagued by boredom, loneliness.

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alienation, and a high price tag.

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America can point to many areas where
she has made progress, but in the

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area of informal public life, she has
lost ground and continues to lose it.

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Oldenburg could not have predicted the
rise of the internet and social media

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algorithms or the advent of COVID 19.

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But our first place, home, and our
second place, work, have merged

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for so many of us, making the third
place more important than ever.

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Humans are inherently social.

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We're pack animals, and we
need this dynamic in our lives.

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Our social capital is the glue
that holds us all together,

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benefiting not only us and our
dogs, but our communities at large.

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Our need for third places is
resilient and dog parks create a

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shared sense of belonging bringing
us together in a crucial way

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Thank you for listening to this episode
of dog parkology I'm, jenna blum

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your narrator This show was created
by as it should be productions the

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creators of dog save the people and
dog walk meditation podcasts with

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executive producer scott banalio
And producer and editor Jack Summer.

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Be sure to check out the entire
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You can follow us on social media at
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If you know of any great dog parks
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own dog parkology moment, you can
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And if you've enjoyed listening to this
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Enjoy a trip to a dog park today,
or wherever you go with your dog

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to appreciate nature, meet others,
and make a better life together.