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what is up everybody it's

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the chairman of the united

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states department of nerds

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where we are for the people

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by the people and of the

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people you are listening to

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the usbn on the dfpn

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Thanks for watching!

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All right, welcome back, everybody.

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Let's welcome in my guest for today,

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and that is Bruno Caterino.

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Am I pronouncing that right?

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Yeah, close enough.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Tell me how to pronounce it.

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I want to know how to pronounce it.

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I kind of given up on trying

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to get people to pronounce

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it right because, you know,

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it's like... To me,

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Caterino sounds so damn cool.

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I know I'm probably butchering it,

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but it sounds cool to me.

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Bruno is correct, though.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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I mean,

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if you say it with proper

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Portuguese accent,

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it would be something

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like... I can't even get my

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Spanish accent right.

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I don't want to butcher the

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Portuguese on top of it.

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It's okay.

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It would be something like Bruncaterino,

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but, you know, it's... Yeah, it's cool.

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That's awesome, man.

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Don't worry about it.

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I mean,

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that's... Say it like you would say

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Tarantino.

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You know, it's kind of the same, you know,

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ending, so it works.

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Well, today, my friend,

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you are the Tarantino of

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the USDN podcast.

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That's how you're going to

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get treated today, buddy.

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So let's dive into this.

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Give us a little bit of

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background on yourself and

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how you got into writing

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comics or wanting to just

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like write comics in general.

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Yeah,

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so do you want the long version or

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the short version?

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It's up to you, man.

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It's all about you and your new book.

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So I want to make this all about you.

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So if you want to give us a long version,

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you can.

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uh now I'll try to keep it

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like the the fifty fifty

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version so yeah uh hey

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everyone and yeah thanks

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for having me but um yeah I

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mean um how I got into

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comics was kind of uh you know uh kind of

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Sorry, with was kind of, you know,

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a different path because I started.

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So I'm a software engineer,

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that's kind of my day job.

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I kind of started writing for film and TV,

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you know, like, well,

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I say this,

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it's like I had something produced.

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Not really, I made a few short films,

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but I was writing screenplays for film,

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for TV for a few years.

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That was actually great

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because that's kind of how

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I learned to write.

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And there was like a huge community around,

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from screenwriters.

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you can actually learn quite

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a lot about storytelling,

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even if it's a different medium.

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And at some point I went to,

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so I used to love comics as a kid,

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but then I kind of stopped

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reading around the two thousands for,

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I don't know, almost two decades.

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Yeah.

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I was the same boat.

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I loved comics as a kid.

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And then for me,

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I left home and got busy

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with life and it wasn't until like

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a few years back that I got

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back into it as well.

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So I know exactly how you feel there.

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Yeah, and it was kind of the same.

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And I was kind of going back

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to comics and thinking, hey,

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this is actually a good way

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to tell some stories.

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Those projects that are a

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bit more expensive to tell

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in film and that I can't do it on my own,

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I could probably do it as comics.

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Uh, and I happened to go to a comic con.

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There was like this, um, um,

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there was like this, um, what's workshop,

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um, about, you know,

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writing comics and I attended.

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Uh, so the, the guy was, um, uh,

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Neil Gibson is a writer as well.

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And he's a publisher.

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Uh,

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he writes a lot of like horary kind of

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stuff.

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That's up my alley.

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I love some, I love a good horror comic.

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Well, then get this.

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He's now officially writing

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the Black Mirror comics.

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Oh, nice.

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Check it out, yeah.

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Do you have a date on that?

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Or what's the time frame

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looking like on that?

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I don't know.

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I just... Yeah, the last...

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Yeah, the last time I saw him at the con,

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he had like a big banner

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and all from Black Mirror.

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Yeah, really cool.

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But yeah,

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so I after at the end of the workshop,

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he kind of told everyone, hey, just,

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you know, just get writing, you know,

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send me a four page comic

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and I'll read it and I'll

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give you my thoughts and all of that.

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And, you know,

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I did send it and he liked

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it to a point that I met

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him by accident a few

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months later and the

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It pitched my story to

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another guy that was with him, you know,

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and they still remembered.

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So I was like, OK,

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it does come from that book

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or from that story.

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Did it get published or anything or?

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Not yet, but that story is,

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I kind of expanded the

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story a little bit.

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That story will be in a

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sci-fi anthology that I'm working on.

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Okay.

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So yeah, it will be published.

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Okay, good.

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If you sign up to my newsletter,

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you'll actually get that story for free.

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Oh, nice.

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So yeah.

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It's sent to everybody to

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sign up for his newsletter.

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As a matter of fact, when we're done today,

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I'm gonna go do it, cause I missed that.

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So yeah, it's, yeah,

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so that was the first story that I wrote.

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And after that, I kind of just started,

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you know, writing more stuff for,

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you know,

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in comics and adapting some

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short screenplays into comics and yeah,

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just start writing original

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comics and stuff like that.

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So I don't know,

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how is that for a origin story?

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Everybody starts somewhere.

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I like that, actually.

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I really do, especially, you know,

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getting to meet somebody and then,

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you know,

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you sending them a story and

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them actually, like, liking it,

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you know what I'm saying?

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Because I know that feeling

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with writing that I do and

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getting that praise for something that,

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like, okay,

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this is my first time writing anything,

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really, and them going, dude,

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you've never done this before?

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That feels good.

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Like, knowing that they were, like,

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He's got something,

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so that's a good feeling.

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Yeah, I mean,

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I wouldn't say I've never done it before.

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I mean, the format was new for me,

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but I had been writing for like ten years,

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just not comics.

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There was a period of adaptation, you know,

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it's a different format.

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But yeah, I wouldn't say that I would just,

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you know,

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I just came up and wrote something and,

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you know, people liked it.

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It was really not like that.

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First thing that I wrote was awful.

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Awful.

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We all start somewhere.

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Yeah.

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That is, that's good.

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So take people through your

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writing process.

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Like, how do you start?

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Do you start with an idea, a character?

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Like what, what,

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like walk me through that.

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Like, how do you do that for your,

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for you?

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Well, we asked the deep questions here.

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no I mean the answer is very

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simple it's very chaotic

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and it's all over the place

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it depends I once looked at

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um a bathroom sign and I

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came up with an idea it's

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as simple as that I I see

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something like completely dumb

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and I come up with an idea

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other times you know it's I

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have like this very

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specific image you know the

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beginning of bereavement

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that you know that uh

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jupiter that pays in front

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of jupiter that was a very

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specific image I had in my

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head now that's a very cool

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scene in that book I'm not

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gonna lie I love that first

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like those urban pages

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where the ship is flying into the base

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remember the name of the

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artist that you had doing

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this book but he did

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fantastic on those opening

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pages with the with the

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ship flying in amazing yeah

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samuel is amazing and geo

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who did the the colors is

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also fantastic and those

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guys did a phenomenal job

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the book looks gorgeous because of them

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It really is.

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It's a very vibrant book.

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Even like the medical spaces

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within the pages are very

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vibrant and very futuristic sci-fi,

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which I'm absolutely loving

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about the book with that kind of stuff.

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But let's talk about your influences.

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Are there any particular

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writers or artists who have

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impacted your work personally?

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I mean, the obvious references, you know,

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straightaway Rod Serling, Twilight Zone,

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you know.

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Yeah, pretty much everything I, you know,

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I write tends to have a

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little bit of that.

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But then, you know,

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specifically for this book,

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I kind of do mention some

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of them in the Kickstarter page.

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And you can see, you know, Spielberg's AI,

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you know,

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wally was one of my favorite

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ones but I've seen the

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wally on there I was like

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this might be something

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yeah wally so you know

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there's all these these

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references that are much

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closer to this book but

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then there's you know all

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over the place I mean black

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mirror definitely is a

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reference as well you know

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there's quite a lot yeah

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okay okay so let's dive

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into this project um see

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Give us a little bit of a

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background on how this particular story,

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Bereavement,

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came about because that's

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what we're here to talk about today.

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So let's jump on that.

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We know who you are now and

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what your influences are.

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Talk to us about Bereavement

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and what this book means to

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you and how did it come about?

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's – give me a second.

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Yep.

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Sorry.

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No, you're good.

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You're good.

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It's going around.

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Trust me.

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I've been off and on for the

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last couple of weeks with something.

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Yeah, it's been weird.

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But yeah.

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So, yeah, I mean,

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the question was sorry

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about bereavement and the hub.

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So just take us through how

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you got started on this

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project and kind of like

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Because we know Wall-E,

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AI were some of the

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influences on this project.

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But how did you get started

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with this project?

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And what made you go,

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bereavement is my next project?

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Yeah.

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OK.

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Yeah.

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Thanks.

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Sorry.

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No worries.

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The things of the live show.

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But yeah.

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So bereavement was

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originally I started writing it for...

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not really on commission

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because you know it was not

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like um a paid gig but it

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was you know someone else

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hey do you want to to write

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the story for you know this

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anthology and there was

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some connections with the

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book so I kind of started

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um uh writing with that in

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mind and it was much

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simpler then because it was

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based on something that

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existed there was a little

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robot so that you

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that kind of, you know,

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that element existed.

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But then the whole

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bereavement part and that

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kind of came from me.

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So the story kind of came

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from me in this other world.

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Ultimately, we couldn't really kind of,

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you know, make it work for the ontology.

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So I kind of just asked the guy, hey,

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do you mind if I use this, you know?

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myself it was okay with it

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and uh you know um so yeah

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I kind of just replaced all

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the elements that you know

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I did not own so uh so zara

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was initially not a

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therapist uh I mean there

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was no zara really yeah uh

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yeah so uh I kind of just

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changed the the elements

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and to tell the story and

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to be to focus it more about uh

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I don't know,

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the grief and the loss and all of that.

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I kind of focused more about that in,

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you know,

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the version that was actually published.

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But I don't know, in my mind,

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it was always kind of about that,

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of the...

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I don't know I I this idea

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that um you know what what

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makes uh something human

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right and yeah that was one

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of my favorite elements of

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this book to be fair

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because I had an idea going

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in of of what it was but

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when she actually walks

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down those stairs and down the tunnel

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And when you see the first

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time who's actually the story is about,

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really, I was like, oh, damn,

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he threw me a curveball on this one.

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I'm like,

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because it's not what you're

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expecting because she that

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the it was referred to as

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her husband or her partner.

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So I'm like expecting there to be an angry,

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upset, grieving human, you know,

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at the bottom of the stairs

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and down this hallway.

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And that is not at all.

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what was waiting when,

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when she got down there and

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you could like Samuel,

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I believe did the art, like the way he,

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her face said everything

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when she got to the bottom

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of the stairs on that was like,

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but just this shock and like,

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wait a minute,

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you said this was for a grieving spouse.

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This, this is a robot.

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And I don't want to give too

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much of the story away, but

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Unless you want to, but that, to me, like,

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brilliant writing, first of all.

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So kudos to you, good sir.

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But the artwork that Samuel did,

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and he sold her facials,

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the hysteria on the robot,

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him diligently trying to

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figure out how this could happen.

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was brilliant to me just I

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enjoyed that part immensely

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and I can't thank you

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enough for allowing me to

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read it first of all but I

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was like when you're

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reading a comic book you

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expect the element of

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surprise maybe a good twist

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somewhere a backstabbing

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you know depending on what

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what you're reading

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But that was something

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unexpected and brilliantly

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done in my eyes.

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So, sir.

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Thank you.

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Brilliant.

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I loved it.

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Oh, wow.

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Thank you so much.

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I mean, that's a raving review.

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Thank you for that.

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I gave you a raving review.

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The moment I literally finished it,

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I was like, dude.

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And I was all over it.

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Like, it's hanging up right now.

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If you go to ddfpn.com, go to comic books,

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a review of your

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Kickstarter is on that page

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with the link to the Kickstarter.

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Because I took the review I gave you,

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wrote it over there,

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and expanded on it a little bit.

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So, I enjoyed it personally.

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So...

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Well, thank you.

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I mean, yeah, I'm speechless.

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I really am.

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No, I mean, yeah,

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the reception to the book has been,

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you know, absolutely amazing.

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People are loving it.

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You know, people love the story,

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people love the art.

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And yeah, I mean,

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it's been really great to see that.

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uh but yeah it always

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surprises me you know when

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someone you know when you

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come and say you know why

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you love it and it's like

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this specific and it's like

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oh man so yeah you know

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with the art on it it when

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I first seen it I'm like

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man this kind of looks ai

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but I know it wasn't like

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he he he did the art

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himself but like a lot of

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the modern comic books now

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I know there's some

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companies who are just

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using ai and I'm not

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I don't too much care about it.

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I'm not going to pick it up, basically.

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It's not my cup of tea.

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I mean,

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I do use AI to create thumbnails

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and stuff like that for my podcast,

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but that's only because I

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don't have a lick of

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artistic abilities within

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my soul to draw something, nor the time.

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So for me,

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it works out for creating

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thumbnails and that kind of stuff.

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But I love the modern art

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that he brought to this

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story because it's very vibrant.

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It's it's God,

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it's hard to explain without

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like like if you look at

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the cover that I posted,

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that's very much the art.

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It's very modern.

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and very vibrant cult use of

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colors even though it takes

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place in kind of like a

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medical bay it's still

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those vibrant colors

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because you can see that

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outside and they're in

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outer space so you can

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still see that stuff and

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it's really cool to me so

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thank you yeah it's

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yeah I mean again I'm still

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speechless I don't know

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where to go from that from

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here that's all right I got

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this because this is where

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we're going next with it so

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how did you approach your

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your artist and your

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colorist for the book now

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is this a team you've

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worked with before in the

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past or how did you go

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about selecting samuel and

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I can't remember who you

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said was the colorist on

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this book like how did you

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go about selecting them

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yeah the the colors was was

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geo and yeah um uh so

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samuel introduced

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introduced him to me okay

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so they had worked together

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I had never worked with

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them and um yeah I just you

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know I found him I uh I

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found samuel on you know

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facebook groups and uh okay

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comic books and um yeah I

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really like this art I

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asked him you know if he

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was free we kind of started

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working on this

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he recommended Geo and

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because they worked together,

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they actually worked really well as in,

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you know, I mean,

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they were incredibly fast.

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Like, they would finish a page, you know,

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he would send me to me to

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approve and if everything was okay,

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we would just, you know,

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send it straight to Geo and

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Geo would start working on

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the color straight away.

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Like,

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they were complementing each other

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really well, working really fast and

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So what was the time like on

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that from start to finish?

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Would you say from you?

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I'm pretty sure you already

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had the whole story written

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out and you sent that over to Samuel,

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I'm guessing.

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Then Samuel kind of took

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your words in and put it on paper.

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Don't know.

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I can't remember how long it took.

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I probably would be lying if I said,

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you know, a number,

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but it was comparatively

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low compared with other

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projects that I've done.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I mean,

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I don't think it took more than two

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months to do the whole thing.

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Probably a lot less.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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It was really fast.

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Yeah, that was moving right along.

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Sorry?

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So I say he was moving right

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along with that.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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It was probably a lot less

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than two months.

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I mean,

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I'm just putting that as a cap

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because I can't remember

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exactly how long it was.

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I just know that it was

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relatively fast with other projects.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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No, that's interesting because, I mean,

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it is a very well-done book.

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And to me, it looks like, you know, they

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like a passion project was

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poured onto the paper, you know,

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where everybody took their

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time in doing their element of the story,

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of the drawing, of the colors.

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So very well put together story,

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very well put together

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artwork that matches the

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story brilliantly.

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So my hat's off to y'all in that.

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So let's talk about the

00:21:40.853 --> 00:21:42.034
Kickstarter itself.

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So it is currently up and running,

00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:46.779
and we are at the, I say we,

00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:50.800
y'all are at the halfway point with this.

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And how are we looking so far on that?

00:21:52.902 --> 00:21:55.923
Like, are we going to hit the goal or?

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I mean, I know the numbers.

00:22:01.124 --> 00:22:02.964
I looked before we came on live.

00:22:03.305 --> 00:22:04.904
I wanted to see how it was looking.

00:22:05.704 --> 00:22:07.185
I think we can get it there, man.

00:22:07.266 --> 00:22:07.806
I really do.

00:22:08.569 --> 00:22:10.069
No, I think it's doable,

00:22:10.150 --> 00:22:12.631
but we are I think it's

00:22:12.711 --> 00:22:19.313
twelve days left and still twelve days,

00:22:19.353 --> 00:22:20.492
probably eleven by now.

00:22:21.073 --> 00:22:23.713
And there's still quite a bit to go.

00:22:23.733 --> 00:22:25.394
So we're under fifty percent

00:22:25.434 --> 00:22:26.055
at the moment.

00:22:28.255 --> 00:22:28.836
So, yeah,

00:22:28.875 --> 00:22:30.836
it's going to be right until the end.

00:22:30.976 --> 00:22:31.996
I think it's possible.

00:22:32.316 --> 00:22:33.557
But but yeah,

00:22:33.636 --> 00:22:35.477
it really needs people to be

00:22:35.517 --> 00:22:37.238
aware that it exists and to

00:22:38.417 --> 00:22:40.941
I mean, you heard, right, you know,

00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:42.442
all the reviews.

00:22:42.501 --> 00:22:44.344
It's a great book.

00:22:44.964 --> 00:22:46.205
It really is.

00:22:47.866 --> 00:22:49.588
I gave it my seal of approval,

00:22:49.989 --> 00:22:51.371
and I don't give that often.

00:22:51.391 --> 00:22:52.131
Okay.

00:22:52.632 --> 00:22:52.991
Literally.

00:22:54.393 --> 00:22:55.795
If it's got the stamp on it,

00:22:56.955 --> 00:22:58.037
it's good in my eyes.

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And like I said, I don't give that often.

00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:02.080
And you, sir, have it.

00:23:02.990 --> 00:23:03.891
Oh, thank you so much.

00:23:04.310 --> 00:23:05.951
So, yeah, I mean, you heard it.

00:23:06.252 --> 00:23:06.932
It's a great book.

00:23:06.952 --> 00:23:10.455
So go and back it because, yeah, I mean,

00:23:10.935 --> 00:23:13.317
it's right now the most fun.

00:23:13.397 --> 00:23:13.617
Well,

00:23:14.419 --> 00:23:15.559
not most funded because it's not

00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:19.482
funded yet, but it has done better than,

00:23:19.663 --> 00:23:19.883
you know,

00:23:19.923 --> 00:23:22.525
my previous couple of projects already.

00:23:23.425 --> 00:23:23.746
Of course,

00:23:23.786 --> 00:23:25.346
it needs to funds for that to

00:23:25.406 --> 00:23:26.208
mean anything.

00:23:26.288 --> 00:23:27.409
But, yeah, it's...

00:23:28.148 --> 00:23:29.430
it's definitely doing well

00:23:30.010 --> 00:23:31.332
it's still far from the the

00:23:31.372 --> 00:23:33.614
goal uh but uh I think we

00:23:33.634 --> 00:23:34.654
can get there if you know

00:23:34.714 --> 00:23:37.458
if people look at it and

00:23:37.498 --> 00:23:40.201
yeah what are some of the

00:23:40.601 --> 00:23:43.284
uh rewards for backing the project

00:23:45.088 --> 00:23:49.112
yeah I mean um so with any

00:23:49.412 --> 00:23:50.952
level with any tier you

00:23:50.972 --> 00:23:54.375
basically get um five books

00:23:54.434 --> 00:23:55.615
by other creators in

00:23:55.655 --> 00:23:56.916
digital formats so you know

00:23:57.037 --> 00:23:59.759
at at the minimum uh if you

00:23:59.798 --> 00:24:01.460
just pack it with you know

00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:02.881
one pound or you know one

00:24:02.921 --> 00:24:04.622
dollar a little bit more

00:24:04.642 --> 00:24:06.282
than that you'll get five

00:24:06.442 --> 00:24:07.384
five books straight away

00:24:07.483 --> 00:24:08.585
and those are included in

00:24:08.765 --> 00:24:10.246
every one of the other tiers

00:24:10.986 --> 00:24:12.727
And then, you know, for the book itself,

00:24:12.767 --> 00:24:14.347
you have, you know, the normal tiers,

00:24:14.367 --> 00:24:15.689
you have digital formats,

00:24:16.169 --> 00:24:17.490
you have a digital deluxe,

00:24:18.490 --> 00:24:19.391
you have the physical

00:24:19.411 --> 00:24:21.172
formats with three different variants.

00:24:21.192 --> 00:24:23.413
And then you have some

00:24:23.513 --> 00:24:25.634
deluxe packages that are printed,

00:24:26.154 --> 00:24:27.496
that have the book.

00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:30.500
uh you have and I think this

00:24:30.540 --> 00:24:32.882
is probably one that is uh

00:24:32.902 --> 00:24:33.903
maybe more worth it for

00:24:33.923 --> 00:24:34.923
people you know outside of

00:24:34.942 --> 00:24:37.963
the uk which is um um the

00:24:37.983 --> 00:24:39.164
bundle that has all my

00:24:39.204 --> 00:24:41.205
three books that's the one

00:24:41.246 --> 00:24:43.467
I did because if I'm gonna

00:24:43.846 --> 00:24:45.126
spin I think it was like

00:24:45.186 --> 00:24:46.428
ten pounds on ship and I'm

00:24:46.448 --> 00:24:47.669
like I'm gonna make sure

00:24:47.689 --> 00:24:50.269
that box is full yeah

00:24:50.349 --> 00:24:51.569
exactly yeah to me that's

00:24:51.589 --> 00:24:53.590
the way to go with projects

00:24:53.611 --> 00:24:56.451
that are out of the us is

00:24:56.511 --> 00:24:57.432
if you're gonna do it

00:24:59.178 --> 00:25:00.739
get the money because don't

00:25:00.778 --> 00:25:02.220
just order the one book and get,

00:25:02.740 --> 00:25:04.300
it's because the shipping is the same.

00:25:06.020 --> 00:25:07.682
So if there's something else

00:25:07.701 --> 00:25:08.803
you like on there, personally,

00:25:09.962 --> 00:25:10.943
I wanted to read portrait

00:25:10.963 --> 00:25:12.203
of a soul and pray.

00:25:13.424 --> 00:25:14.105
And there was a couple of

00:25:14.125 --> 00:25:14.925
covers on there that I

00:25:14.986 --> 00:25:16.185
picked on those that were

00:25:16.205 --> 00:25:17.747
like phenomenal covers to

00:25:17.787 --> 00:25:18.548
go with the story.

00:25:18.587 --> 00:25:20.528
So I'm like, I'm going to do this.

00:25:20.548 --> 00:25:21.828
I'm going to get that in that as well.

00:25:21.888 --> 00:25:23.410
So that's what I did.

00:25:24.820 --> 00:25:26.382
uh yeah and I I think you're

00:25:26.402 --> 00:25:27.202
right I think it's the way

00:25:27.242 --> 00:25:28.364
to go with uh with

00:25:28.384 --> 00:25:29.806
international projects and

00:25:30.486 --> 00:25:32.188
I mean even you know you

00:25:32.208 --> 00:25:33.249
mentioned ten pounds I mean

00:25:33.328 --> 00:25:35.330
it's it's a little bit less

00:25:35.371 --> 00:25:36.612
even that it's even a bit

00:25:36.652 --> 00:25:37.992
less than ten pounds but if

00:25:38.034 --> 00:25:40.455
you compare like something

00:25:40.536 --> 00:25:41.457
if you compare that with

00:25:41.517 --> 00:25:42.778
most kickstarters it's

00:25:42.817 --> 00:25:45.240
still quite low um because

00:25:45.259 --> 00:25:46.161
we're in the uk and

00:25:46.260 --> 00:25:47.702
fortunately we have royal

00:25:47.722 --> 00:25:48.604
mail and they have

00:25:49.804 --> 00:25:50.923
know I'm not going to say

00:25:51.003 --> 00:25:53.644
cheap prices but cheap

00:25:53.664 --> 00:25:56.506
compared with you know most

00:25:56.546 --> 00:25:59.186
countries so yeah so you

00:25:59.227 --> 00:26:00.666
can you can get you know

00:26:00.747 --> 00:26:01.906
books for a relatively

00:26:01.926 --> 00:26:02.968
cheap price and if you get

00:26:02.988 --> 00:26:04.067
the bundle with multiple

00:26:04.107 --> 00:26:06.588
books I think this one each

00:26:06.689 --> 00:26:07.528
if you get the three books

00:26:07.548 --> 00:26:08.949
you get shipping to be like

00:26:08.969 --> 00:26:11.210
three dollars for each book

00:26:11.549 --> 00:26:13.790
which you know that's really good

00:26:14.651 --> 00:26:16.531
like even if you're like if

00:26:16.551 --> 00:26:17.511
I know a lot of people who

00:26:17.551 --> 00:26:18.451
get their books off of

00:26:19.113 --> 00:26:20.413
other apps like whatnot and

00:26:20.432 --> 00:26:21.854
that kind of stuff and they

00:26:21.874 --> 00:26:23.233
have flat rate shipping no

00:26:23.253 --> 00:26:24.994
matter where like you could

00:26:25.015 --> 00:26:26.154
buy a comic book from your

00:26:26.194 --> 00:26:27.915
neighbor you know ten miles

00:26:27.955 --> 00:26:29.636
up the road and it's going

00:26:29.656 --> 00:26:30.616
to be eight dollars flat

00:26:30.656 --> 00:26:33.278
rate period well just to go

00:26:33.538 --> 00:26:34.679
you know a few miles down

00:26:34.719 --> 00:26:38.059
the road so ten bucks or

00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:39.839
eight bucks period flat

00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.761
rate well and it goes up

00:26:42.801 --> 00:26:43.781
from there per pound

00:26:45.597 --> 00:26:46.679
That is a lot.

00:26:46.898 --> 00:26:47.058
Wow.

00:26:47.118 --> 00:26:47.278
Yeah,

00:26:47.619 --> 00:26:50.741
so what you're telling us is the

00:26:50.801 --> 00:26:52.563
shipping is great.

00:26:53.683 --> 00:26:53.923
Yeah,

00:26:54.305 --> 00:26:55.045
the shipping is really... In

00:26:55.065 --> 00:26:57.086
comparison to other ways to

00:26:57.126 --> 00:26:58.127
get comic books.

00:26:59.248 --> 00:27:00.670
Yeah, the shipping really is great.

00:27:00.730 --> 00:27:02.090
I mean, honestly,

00:27:02.871 --> 00:27:03.811
I'm kind of a bit afraid

00:27:03.832 --> 00:27:04.913
that when I actually start

00:27:04.932 --> 00:27:06.034
shipping things, you know,

00:27:06.193 --> 00:27:07.535
things might be a bit more

00:27:07.575 --> 00:27:09.155
expensive because of, I don't know,

00:27:09.655 --> 00:27:10.376
tariffs, whatever.

00:27:10.416 --> 00:27:11.678
But, you know, I don't know.

00:27:11.817 --> 00:27:14.019
At this point, I'm like, okay, cool.

00:27:14.923 --> 00:27:15.683
I think we're all kind of

00:27:15.703 --> 00:27:16.744
hanging out and waiting to

00:27:16.785 --> 00:27:17.945
see how that's really going

00:27:17.965 --> 00:27:20.086
to make an impact on Danes

00:27:20.106 --> 00:27:21.507
when it comes to that kind of stuff.

00:27:21.547 --> 00:27:23.628
So I'm hoping it doesn't really,

00:27:25.209 --> 00:27:26.650
but we'll see how that works out.

00:27:28.691 --> 00:27:30.152
So, I mean, that's some great perks there,

00:27:30.172 --> 00:27:30.491
man.

00:27:31.573 --> 00:27:32.073
Like I said,

00:27:32.573 --> 00:27:33.713
I was really interested in

00:27:33.733 --> 00:27:35.694
your two other books as well.

00:27:36.654 --> 00:27:41.018
And my daughter has messaged me,

00:27:41.038 --> 00:27:42.518
so I'm getting Dean's in my ear.

00:27:42.538 --> 00:27:43.439
No worries.

00:27:45.566 --> 00:27:47.106
Oh, I say not high school.

00:27:47.126 --> 00:27:47.827
She's in college.

00:27:48.367 --> 00:27:49.669
But let's.

00:27:50.009 --> 00:27:51.871
Yes, she she does this.

00:27:51.971 --> 00:27:53.090
She'll intentionally send me

00:27:53.111 --> 00:27:54.152
a message when she knows

00:27:54.192 --> 00:27:55.153
I'm in the middle of something.

00:27:56.814 --> 00:27:56.953
But.

00:27:59.215 --> 00:27:59.756
Let's see.

00:28:01.817 --> 00:28:03.199
We've already covered that.

00:28:03.219 --> 00:28:04.680
We already answered some of

00:28:04.700 --> 00:28:05.940
the questions as we went.

00:28:06.856 --> 00:28:07.917
So here we go.

00:28:08.657 --> 00:28:10.359
How has crowdfunding shaped

00:28:10.460 --> 00:28:12.361
your approach to how you do

00:28:12.441 --> 00:28:14.722
comic books in the creation process?

00:28:15.063 --> 00:28:15.884
Because to me,

00:28:15.923 --> 00:28:16.904
Kickstarter has really

00:28:16.964 --> 00:28:20.627
changed how this can be done.

00:28:20.667 --> 00:28:21.749
Because before you would

00:28:21.808 --> 00:28:23.210
literally have to do a book,

00:28:23.769 --> 00:28:25.191
pay to have it stapled,

00:28:25.290 --> 00:28:26.992
print it and everything else,

00:28:27.573 --> 00:28:29.315
send it to a publisher or

00:28:29.414 --> 00:28:30.434
multiple publishers,

00:28:30.474 --> 00:28:31.415
which means now you've had

00:28:31.435 --> 00:28:32.936
to print this book multiple

00:28:32.977 --> 00:28:35.900
times and then send that on its way.

00:28:37.212 --> 00:28:38.313
to different publishers to

00:28:38.353 --> 00:28:39.054
see if they would be

00:28:39.094 --> 00:28:40.653
willing to pick up the book.

00:28:41.555 --> 00:28:42.134
And they're not just going

00:28:42.154 --> 00:28:43.175
to want the one book.

00:28:43.195 --> 00:28:44.776
They're going to want, oh, hey,

00:28:44.816 --> 00:28:45.676
we love this book.

00:28:46.136 --> 00:28:48.097
Give us three more to go with it.

00:28:48.877 --> 00:28:50.038
Yeah.

00:28:50.098 --> 00:28:51.519
Because what I've noticed

00:28:51.558 --> 00:28:55.221
lately is most books are

00:28:55.260 --> 00:28:57.142
getting four to six issues

00:28:57.761 --> 00:28:59.923
for indie type stuff.

00:28:59.982 --> 00:29:01.103
It's four to six issues is

00:29:01.123 --> 00:29:04.585
why publishers are requesting it lately.

00:29:05.502 --> 00:29:07.084
And they could be expanded for more.

00:29:07.503 --> 00:29:07.703
I mean,

00:29:07.723 --> 00:29:09.444
there's plenty of other books out

00:29:09.464 --> 00:29:11.086
there that have started out that way.

00:29:11.665 --> 00:29:13.027
And I know books that are

00:29:13.067 --> 00:29:16.729
now like issue twenty, twenty one now.

00:29:17.489 --> 00:29:18.509
But they started out as a

00:29:18.548 --> 00:29:20.450
simple indie campaign that they just said,

00:29:20.490 --> 00:29:22.151
hey, have a look at my book.

00:29:22.171 --> 00:29:25.093
And the publisher goes, hey, great, cool.

00:29:25.133 --> 00:29:26.053
Give us three more.

00:29:26.874 --> 00:29:28.534
But Kickstarter has changed

00:29:28.594 --> 00:29:29.355
that for people.

00:29:29.974 --> 00:29:31.016
Now you can literally lay

00:29:31.076 --> 00:29:33.376
out an entire book in digital format.

00:29:34.505 --> 00:29:35.905
never having to send it to a printer,

00:29:36.527 --> 00:29:37.606
never have to pay to ship

00:29:37.646 --> 00:29:39.209
it anywhere and then get it

00:29:39.288 --> 00:29:40.710
personally funded through a

00:29:40.769 --> 00:29:42.290
campaign on Kickstarter.

00:29:43.271 --> 00:29:46.453
Now, how has that changed your process?

00:29:47.734 --> 00:29:48.776
Or have you just always been

00:29:48.796 --> 00:29:52.458
like idea on and then use

00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:54.079
Kickstarter to back your projects?

00:29:55.050 --> 00:29:56.951
Well, I mean, because I started, you know,

00:29:56.990 --> 00:29:58.332
making comics after, you know,

00:29:58.352 --> 00:29:59.791
Kickstarter was already a thing.

00:29:59.832 --> 00:30:01.551
Okay, yeah.

00:30:01.571 --> 00:30:02.913
I don't have much of a comparison,

00:30:03.012 --> 00:30:07.493
but I think it did make it possible,

00:30:07.554 --> 00:30:07.773
right?

00:30:07.794 --> 00:30:11.795
Because before having Kickstarter, I mean,

00:30:11.815 --> 00:30:12.894
it's the whole process that

00:30:12.914 --> 00:30:13.694
you're talking about.

00:30:13.815 --> 00:30:16.415
And I mean, the book is finished.

00:30:16.695 --> 00:30:17.596
So, you know,

00:30:17.796 --> 00:30:19.435
I kind of paid for it myself.

00:30:19.455 --> 00:30:20.376
And I'm hoping that what

00:30:20.396 --> 00:30:21.836
Kickstarter does is, you know,

00:30:22.844 --> 00:30:23.984
put some of that money back

00:30:24.025 --> 00:30:25.965
in my pocket so that I can

00:30:25.986 --> 00:30:28.587
make more books.

00:30:29.468 --> 00:30:30.828
But, yeah, it's still a lot cheaper than,

00:30:30.888 --> 00:30:32.710
you know, I didn't have to print it yet.

00:30:32.750 --> 00:30:34.651
And I can print based on, you know,

00:30:37.192 --> 00:30:38.232
whatever people, you know,

00:30:39.314 --> 00:30:41.635
how many units people back it.

00:30:41.855 --> 00:30:44.596
And I still very much like

00:30:44.877 --> 00:30:46.999
the printed version, if I can.

00:30:47.199 --> 00:30:48.880
Obviously, you know, if it's international,

00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:50.961
sometimes you can't really do that.

00:30:50.980 --> 00:30:51.141
But it's

00:30:52.576 --> 00:30:53.358
But yeah, I mean,

00:30:56.463 --> 00:30:57.326
I think the simple way that

00:30:57.365 --> 00:30:58.968
it gives you a platform to

00:30:59.549 --> 00:31:02.355
reach potential readership.

00:31:02.555 --> 00:31:04.598
And one of the things that I

00:31:04.638 --> 00:31:05.800
really enjoyed was

00:31:08.478 --> 00:31:08.657
I mean,

00:31:08.958 --> 00:31:10.659
I have some people that back the

00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:11.640
first and the second

00:31:11.660 --> 00:31:12.701
Kickstarter and they came

00:31:12.721 --> 00:31:13.842
back for the third one, right?

00:31:13.862 --> 00:31:17.285
So it's you're really building, you know,

00:31:18.164 --> 00:31:19.145
a group of people that

00:31:19.266 --> 00:31:20.346
actually enjoy your work.

00:31:20.366 --> 00:31:21.988
And that's that's really great to see.

00:31:22.107 --> 00:31:22.348
Yeah.

00:31:23.490 --> 00:31:27.833
And so how has social media

00:31:28.272 --> 00:31:29.314
shaped that as well?

00:31:29.594 --> 00:31:30.654
Because it does give you a

00:31:30.694 --> 00:31:31.476
larger platform.

00:31:31.496 --> 00:31:31.635
Yep.

00:31:31.776 --> 00:31:32.797
You have the Kickstarter,

00:31:32.836 --> 00:31:33.698
but now you also have

00:31:33.778 --> 00:31:36.279
social media to go to say, hey, guys,

00:31:37.269 --> 00:31:38.750
I know a lot of you don't know who I am,

00:31:38.770 --> 00:31:40.532
but I have this great project out there.

00:31:40.893 --> 00:31:43.115
Could you please go give it a look?

00:31:45.518 --> 00:31:47.880
Yeah, I think it has.

00:31:47.980 --> 00:31:49.602
I was never very good at social media.

00:31:49.721 --> 00:31:52.625
I feel like for me,

00:31:52.805 --> 00:31:53.826
things kind of started to

00:31:53.865 --> 00:31:56.087
change with Blue Sky

00:31:56.107 --> 00:31:57.128
because I do feel like Blue

00:31:57.148 --> 00:31:59.830
Sky kind of opens up.

00:32:00.432 --> 00:32:00.731
I don't know.

00:32:00.751 --> 00:32:02.294
A lot of people there are comics people.

00:32:03.549 --> 00:32:04.111
Yeah,

00:32:04.131 --> 00:32:08.153
there's such a huge... And I mean

00:32:08.193 --> 00:32:09.535
this honestly.

00:32:11.836 --> 00:32:14.759
For me, I don't write comic books.

00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:16.540
I don't draw comic books.

00:32:16.642 --> 00:32:18.323
But I read them.

00:32:18.762 --> 00:32:19.663
I collect them.

00:32:20.765 --> 00:32:22.366
And I have a podcast about them.

00:32:22.767 --> 00:32:23.407
So for me...

00:32:25.434 --> 00:32:27.694
And I'm speaking honestly here, like,

00:32:28.076 --> 00:32:29.736
it has doubled, like,

00:32:29.836 --> 00:32:34.257
what my access is to other

00:32:34.297 --> 00:32:36.757
writers who actually write comic books,

00:32:37.978 --> 00:32:39.998
artists whose covers I collect.

00:32:40.657 --> 00:32:46.839
So for me in, like, let me, like,

00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:47.599
Ghost Machine.

00:32:48.721 --> 00:32:50.022
So this is Rocketfellers.

00:32:50.423 --> 00:32:51.365
It's one of my favorite

00:32:51.384 --> 00:32:52.405
books out right now.

00:32:53.185 --> 00:32:54.326
And I think the guys over at

00:32:54.386 --> 00:32:56.788
Ghost Machine are absolutely killing it.

00:32:57.369 --> 00:32:58.190
They don't have a bad

00:32:58.230 --> 00:32:59.551
project out right now.

00:33:00.491 --> 00:33:04.256
But I post that cover up on Blue Sky.

00:33:05.854 --> 00:33:07.095
And, you know,

00:33:07.154 --> 00:33:08.295
I think that one is done by

00:33:08.335 --> 00:33:09.695
Thomas J. Tomasi and

00:33:10.256 --> 00:33:11.395
Francis Manipal does the

00:33:11.516 --> 00:33:12.737
art and the covers for it.

00:33:13.596 --> 00:33:15.397
And I post that on Blue Skylight.

00:33:15.417 --> 00:33:16.657
Hey, guys, check out this book.

00:33:16.678 --> 00:33:18.578
I highly recommend this book to you.

00:33:19.199 --> 00:33:21.579
And they hit in Francis and

00:33:22.020 --> 00:33:24.422
Tomas are all like, hey, dude,

00:33:24.481 --> 00:33:26.342
thanks for supporting our book.

00:33:26.422 --> 00:33:27.423
We appreciate it.

00:33:28.222 --> 00:33:29.064
And here I am,

00:33:29.104 --> 00:33:32.105
just a peon who just wanted

00:33:32.125 --> 00:33:33.246
to share what I'm reading

00:33:34.166 --> 00:33:35.667
with people and saying, hey, guys,

00:33:35.688 --> 00:33:36.928
I think this is a great book.

00:33:37.008 --> 00:33:37.669
Check it out.

00:33:38.128 --> 00:33:39.609
And those guys are like, hey, man,

00:33:39.650 --> 00:33:40.730
thanks for supporting our work.

00:33:40.810 --> 00:33:42.070
We really appreciate it.

00:33:43.311 --> 00:33:45.534
And I'm here like,

00:33:45.554 --> 00:33:47.795
they just recognized me.

00:33:47.855 --> 00:33:48.634
You know what I'm saying?

00:33:49.355 --> 00:33:49.576
Yeah,

00:33:49.855 --> 00:33:51.297
I think it definitely increases a lot

00:33:51.336 --> 00:33:53.117
that reach and it puts you

00:33:53.137 --> 00:33:54.019
in contact with some of

00:33:54.058 --> 00:33:54.959
those people as well.

00:33:55.038 --> 00:33:57.201
And yeah, that is amazing.

00:33:57.280 --> 00:33:57.800
I felt like

00:33:58.351 --> 00:33:59.090
I feel like, you know,

00:34:00.211 --> 00:34:01.313
I never invested that much

00:34:01.353 --> 00:34:02.573
on Twitter because I didn't.

00:34:02.853 --> 00:34:03.513
No other reason.

00:34:03.594 --> 00:34:04.933
I just didn't, you know.

00:34:05.174 --> 00:34:06.974
It was a toxic environment, period,

00:34:07.015 --> 00:34:07.635
for everybody.

00:34:08.416 --> 00:34:08.615
Yeah.

00:34:08.916 --> 00:34:09.177
Okay.

00:34:09.456 --> 00:34:09.657
Yeah.

00:34:09.697 --> 00:34:10.177
Fair enough.

00:34:10.797 --> 00:34:11.577
Just saying.

00:34:11.777 --> 00:34:13.057
It's very toxic over there.

00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:13.978
Yeah.

00:34:13.998 --> 00:34:15.099
I never used it much.

00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:16.739
You know, it was not even the toxicity.

00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:17.420
I never had it.

00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:18.340
I never used it much.

00:34:18.601 --> 00:34:18.820
Yeah.

00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:20.061
For that exact reason.

00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.641
I mean, I never used Instagram much,

00:34:22.681 --> 00:34:24.722
which I should, you know, even though,

00:34:25.141 --> 00:34:25.382
you know.

00:34:25.461 --> 00:34:26.882
I would say, yeah, for Instagram.

00:34:28.103 --> 00:34:29.043
Instagram, for me,

00:34:29.143 --> 00:34:34.405
I've had the podcast now

00:34:34.465 --> 00:34:35.405
just over a year.

00:34:36.206 --> 00:34:37.266
And I'm really just now

00:34:37.326 --> 00:34:40.067
getting traction on Instagram.

00:34:40.668 --> 00:34:41.467
And I think a lot of that

00:34:41.507 --> 00:34:44.349
was me learning how to make reels,

00:34:45.009 --> 00:34:46.969
how to properly share

00:34:47.010 --> 00:34:49.190
things and put together something.

00:34:50.554 --> 00:34:52.115
that I think people would want to see,

00:34:52.155 --> 00:34:53.016
especially when it comes to

00:34:53.056 --> 00:34:54.599
the comic book side of things.

00:34:55.018 --> 00:34:56.159
So when I post a cover,

00:34:57.221 --> 00:34:58.101
I don't know if anybody

00:34:58.161 --> 00:35:00.824
ever really realizes how

00:35:00.844 --> 00:35:02.385
much I actually put into

00:35:03.385 --> 00:35:04.807
the covers that I post.

00:35:05.547 --> 00:35:06.789
Yeah, I didn't do the cover,

00:35:06.829 --> 00:35:09.130
but I always give credit to the artists,

00:35:09.170 --> 00:35:10.632
the writers, the colorists.

00:35:12.795 --> 00:35:14.675
And then when I actually post it,

00:35:14.795 --> 00:35:16.577
the music that I attach to

00:35:16.617 --> 00:35:17.478
the comic book,

00:35:19.175 --> 00:35:21.115
is also something that plays

00:35:21.275 --> 00:35:22.277
on the comic book.

00:35:23.016 --> 00:35:23.637
So I literally,

00:35:23.777 --> 00:35:26.179
in the search section of the music,

00:35:27.099 --> 00:35:29.101
I will type in keywords of

00:35:29.260 --> 00:35:30.862
the name of the comic book

00:35:32.161 --> 00:35:33.222
and see what comes up.

00:35:33.282 --> 00:35:35.103
And that's the music I select.

00:35:35.463 --> 00:35:36.505
Because you'll be surprised

00:35:36.525 --> 00:35:37.605
how many songs are out

00:35:37.625 --> 00:35:38.686
there that are related to a

00:35:38.746 --> 00:35:40.427
comic book some way or another,

00:35:40.567 --> 00:35:41.588
not intentionally,

00:35:42.447 --> 00:35:44.268
just because it's just how life is.

00:35:44.289 --> 00:35:45.269
There's not a lot of words

00:35:45.289 --> 00:35:46.369
and not a lot of names of

00:35:46.389 --> 00:35:47.331
things to go around.

00:35:47.764 --> 00:35:49.085
So things get reused.

00:35:49.865 --> 00:35:51.887
And some, like Spawn, for instance,

00:35:51.967 --> 00:35:52.728
has a movie.

00:35:53.228 --> 00:35:54.509
So it had a whole soundtrack.

00:35:54.528 --> 00:35:56.530
So you can go to the music,

00:35:56.550 --> 00:35:58.371
select Spawn soundtrack,

00:35:58.411 --> 00:35:59.371
and find the song that you

00:35:59.391 --> 00:36:02.554
like and put it to the cover.

00:36:02.934 --> 00:36:03.954
So when people click that

00:36:04.014 --> 00:36:05.775
reel and they get that

00:36:05.815 --> 00:36:06.697
cover and they get the

00:36:06.976 --> 00:36:08.478
music from the Spawn soundtrack,

00:36:08.617 --> 00:36:09.538
I don't know if anybody

00:36:09.617 --> 00:36:11.800
ever really realizes that I

00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:12.880
do all that stuff.

00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:14.320
Like I select the music that

00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:15.442
goes with that and I match

00:36:15.501 --> 00:36:17.043
it to the comic book itself.

00:36:18.393 --> 00:36:21.675
So it just, it's another creative outlet,

00:36:22.476 --> 00:36:26.179
you know, and eventually like people go,

00:36:26.298 --> 00:36:27.340
Oh, this guy over here,

00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:28.740
this guy calling himself

00:36:28.780 --> 00:36:31.422
the chairman of USDN is

00:36:32.643 --> 00:36:33.565
he's doing good things.

00:36:33.585 --> 00:36:35.346
He's putting our work out there and he's,

00:36:35.365 --> 00:36:37.768
he's given us praise on our work.

00:36:38.728 --> 00:36:39.989
So then they, you know,

00:36:41.431 --> 00:36:42.110
It works that way.

00:36:42.731 --> 00:36:43.711
I'm sure it works the same

00:36:43.731 --> 00:36:45.032
way for you as well because

00:36:45.052 --> 00:36:46.673
that's how I found you on Blue Sky.

00:36:48.034 --> 00:36:49.576
I'm guessing you've seen me post and go,

00:36:49.615 --> 00:36:49.936
hey,

00:36:50.016 --> 00:36:51.556
this guy's doing stuff with comic books.

00:36:51.577 --> 00:36:55.380
Let me talk to him.

00:36:55.420 --> 00:36:56.280
I'm thankful for it.

00:36:56.300 --> 00:36:57.481
That shit means the world to me.

00:36:59.166 --> 00:37:01.289
Yeah, but it's really that it's, you know,

00:37:01.349 --> 00:37:02.530
you, I mean,

00:37:02.789 --> 00:37:04.550
I wrote like this thing about

00:37:04.590 --> 00:37:06.132
things that I learned about Kickstarter.

00:37:06.172 --> 00:37:07.074
And one of the things that I

00:37:07.134 --> 00:37:08.994
put was exactly that is that, you know,

00:37:09.496 --> 00:37:10.335
when you're thinking about

00:37:10.376 --> 00:37:12.018
cross promoting, don't think just,

00:37:12.057 --> 00:37:14.420
you know, other creators think about,

00:37:14.460 --> 00:37:17.822
you know, YouTubers, podcasters, you know,

00:37:17.882 --> 00:37:21.704
because, you know, if ten people are,

00:37:21.905 --> 00:37:22.166
you know,

00:37:23.666 --> 00:37:26.128
pushing you know their own

00:37:26.228 --> 00:37:27.128
I'm saying you know a lot

00:37:28.449 --> 00:37:31.391
if um if ten creators are

00:37:31.492 --> 00:37:33.293
pushing people towards a

00:37:33.333 --> 00:37:35.795
podcast for example uh the

00:37:35.835 --> 00:37:36.876
next time that podcast is

00:37:36.916 --> 00:37:38.538
talking about your book it

00:37:38.597 --> 00:37:39.798
has access to you know ten

00:37:39.818 --> 00:37:41.079
times more audience so it's

00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:42.981
yeah you're kind of reading

00:37:43.001 --> 00:37:44.242
about each other yeah book

00:37:44.322 --> 00:37:47.344
literally went from blue sky

00:37:48.318 --> 00:37:51.802
to my Facebook group, my podcast page,

00:37:52.302 --> 00:37:54.704
my Instagram, my personal Instagram,

00:37:55.445 --> 00:37:56.666
to threads,

00:37:56.686 --> 00:37:57.847
which I don't do a whole lot

00:37:57.947 --> 00:37:59.009
with on threads.

00:38:00.070 --> 00:38:01.291
The audience isn't there for

00:38:01.331 --> 00:38:02.672
certain things, in my opinion,

00:38:02.692 --> 00:38:03.251
on threads.

00:38:03.813 --> 00:38:04.934
So, yeah, I use it,

00:38:05.014 --> 00:38:10.599
but my audience on Blue Sky

00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.583
is growing daily, and

00:38:15.594 --> 00:38:17.456
with comic book people and

00:38:17.496 --> 00:38:21.097
writers and artists and podcasters alike.

00:38:22.358 --> 00:38:24.981
And if I, you know, like I said,

00:38:25.001 --> 00:38:26.282
put my syllable approval on

00:38:26.322 --> 00:38:27.762
something or if I'm pushing something,

00:38:28.043 --> 00:38:29.764
they see that and go, oh, well,

00:38:29.804 --> 00:38:31.445
if he's he knows what he's talking about.

00:38:32.204 --> 00:38:33.646
So let me push that as well.

00:38:33.746 --> 00:38:36.067
So then your audience just doubled again.

00:38:37.047 --> 00:38:38.289
So I get exactly what you're

00:38:38.509 --> 00:38:39.329
saying on that one.

00:38:39.349 --> 00:38:41.811
And that's what I really enjoy.

00:38:41.871 --> 00:38:43.612
And even like my I just

00:38:43.632 --> 00:38:44.932
started my YouTube channel.

00:38:46.356 --> 00:38:47.838
And most of it is like other

00:38:47.878 --> 00:38:49.079
podcasters who are

00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.583
following me now and they're sharing it.

00:38:51.643 --> 00:38:53.224
And eventually, hopefully,

00:38:54.244 --> 00:38:55.246
they'll catch on one day

00:38:56.106 --> 00:38:57.648
and I will have a bigger

00:38:57.728 --> 00:38:58.809
following like some of the

00:38:58.869 --> 00:39:00.992
other guys do who I feel

00:39:01.012 --> 00:39:02.693
don't do as much as I do.

00:39:04.135 --> 00:39:05.376
But they're more popular than me.

00:39:06.331 --> 00:39:07.931
And that's OK.

00:39:07.971 --> 00:39:08.771
There's a niche in an

00:39:08.891 --> 00:39:09.851
audience for everybody.

00:39:09.931 --> 00:39:11.472
And someday I'll grab mine.

00:39:12.092 --> 00:39:13.092
And that's what I've been

00:39:13.132 --> 00:39:14.432
trying to do with your book

00:39:14.913 --> 00:39:15.972
is just I get it in front

00:39:15.992 --> 00:39:17.313
of as many eyes as I can.

00:39:17.934 --> 00:39:18.954
I tell people how much I

00:39:18.994 --> 00:39:20.873
enjoy it because I really did.

00:39:21.034 --> 00:39:22.155
And I'm not just going to

00:39:22.195 --> 00:39:23.434
blow smoke up people's ass

00:39:23.454 --> 00:39:25.155
if I didn't enjoy it.

00:39:25.215 --> 00:39:26.755
I would have told you, you know,

00:39:28.976 --> 00:39:29.936
I can't really do this one.

00:39:30.237 --> 00:39:31.297
And I've had to do that before.

00:39:33.550 --> 00:39:34.592
And I think it's the right thing to do,

00:39:34.672 --> 00:39:35.771
right?

00:39:35.831 --> 00:39:38.152
I mean, you don't have to like everything,

00:39:38.213 --> 00:39:38.472
right?

00:39:40.253 --> 00:39:42.353
I think being dishonest about, oh,

00:39:42.414 --> 00:39:44.375
I love this, and then try to,

00:39:45.235 --> 00:39:45.675
I don't know,

00:39:46.454 --> 00:39:49.056
try to sell something that

00:39:49.096 --> 00:39:50.275
you're not sold on.

00:39:51.097 --> 00:39:52.157
It kills your credibility.

00:39:52.637 --> 00:39:55.657
You see it through it, yeah.

00:39:56.777 --> 00:39:57.498
And it's like I said,

00:39:57.798 --> 00:39:58.998
I've turned them down.

00:39:59.298 --> 00:39:59.739
Like, hey,

00:39:59.798 --> 00:40:01.159
have a look at my Kickstarter

00:40:01.179 --> 00:40:02.000
and let me know what you think.

00:40:02.943 --> 00:40:07.365
And I'm like, I can't do that one.

00:40:07.405 --> 00:40:07.686
Sorry.

00:40:08.266 --> 00:40:09.967
You know?

00:40:10.007 --> 00:40:10.527
Which is fair.

00:40:10.606 --> 00:40:14.288
I mean, there are, you know, super popular,

00:40:14.327 --> 00:40:14.608
you know,

00:40:14.648 --> 00:40:16.068
filmmakers that everybody loves.

00:40:16.108 --> 00:40:19.050
And I'm like, yeah, okay.

00:40:19.090 --> 00:40:20.530
You know, it happens.

00:40:20.570 --> 00:40:21.831
I think it's normal.

00:40:21.871 --> 00:40:23.612
You know, you don't like everything.

00:40:24.152 --> 00:40:26.253
And everybody has their opinion.

00:40:27.072 --> 00:40:28.434
So.

00:40:28.494 --> 00:40:28.673
Yeah.

00:40:30.427 --> 00:40:31.909
So let's see,

00:40:32.128 --> 00:40:33.731
because we're answering

00:40:33.771 --> 00:40:36.375
questions as we go on this.

00:40:36.414 --> 00:40:38.137
I make a list of questions I

00:40:38.157 --> 00:40:39.059
kind of want to tackle,

00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:40.541
and then we kind of tackle

00:40:40.581 --> 00:40:42.003
it as we go and just like

00:40:42.063 --> 00:40:43.083
talking to each other.

00:40:43.844 --> 00:40:45.447
But so here's a good one.

00:40:47.416 --> 00:40:48.577
What kind of advice can you

00:40:48.597 --> 00:40:50.179
give other aspiring comic

00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:50.860
creators who are

00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:52.340
considering Kickstarter or

00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.262
some other form of crowdfunding?

00:40:54.862 --> 00:40:55.903
What advice would you give

00:40:55.923 --> 00:40:57.985
them when it comes to running a campaign?

00:40:58.045 --> 00:40:58.706
Because there's a lot of

00:40:58.726 --> 00:40:59.807
work that goes into this

00:40:59.847 --> 00:41:01.369
that I don't think a lot of

00:41:01.409 --> 00:41:02.670
people really realize the

00:41:02.730 --> 00:41:06.534
amount of work that you do for this.

00:41:07.253 --> 00:41:08.695
So what's some advice that

00:41:08.715 --> 00:41:10.177
you have for people out

00:41:10.197 --> 00:41:12.219
there who are looking to do this?

00:41:15.288 --> 00:41:16.989
Yeah, it's a loaded question, man.

00:41:17.088 --> 00:41:18.128
How long do you have now?

00:41:18.969 --> 00:41:22.931
Hey, we got all the time you want to take.

00:41:22.971 --> 00:41:24.150
So, yeah, I mean, here's the thing.

00:41:24.431 --> 00:41:25.771
I've run three Kickstarters.

00:41:25.871 --> 00:41:27.751
My current one is, you know,

00:41:27.851 --> 00:41:29.313
still far from funding.

00:41:29.373 --> 00:41:29.833
So, you know...

00:41:30.612 --> 00:41:31.534
it's worth what it's worth.

00:41:31.554 --> 00:41:33.195
This is based only on my experience.

00:41:33.235 --> 00:41:36.920
So, you know, but yeah, I mean,

00:41:37.019 --> 00:41:37.460
like I said,

00:41:37.521 --> 00:41:39.342
I did wrote like that article

00:41:39.382 --> 00:41:40.543
about things that I learned

00:41:40.844 --> 00:41:41.824
and that was a part one.

00:41:41.844 --> 00:41:43.067
I'm going to write the part two,

00:41:43.666 --> 00:41:44.628
but I would say.

00:41:45.349 --> 00:41:47.150
Where can people find part one of that?

00:41:47.530 --> 00:41:47.731
Like,

00:41:47.791 --> 00:41:49.452
is it somewhere where people can go

00:41:49.492 --> 00:41:49.873
and read it?

00:41:50.434 --> 00:41:51.894
It's a medium.

00:41:52.675 --> 00:41:54.757
So if you search for B Caterino,

00:41:54.797 --> 00:41:56.798
you'll find that.

00:41:58.541 --> 00:41:58.920
But yeah,

00:42:00.222 --> 00:42:01.402
I can send it to you if you want.

00:42:01.943 --> 00:42:02.143
Perfect.

00:42:02.164 --> 00:42:02.963
If you want to send it to me,

00:42:03.043 --> 00:42:04.125
I'll post it up where

00:42:04.164 --> 00:42:05.045
people can find it if

00:42:05.065 --> 00:42:06.447
they're interested in doing that.

00:42:07.047 --> 00:42:09.009
Yeah, but in any case, I can kind of just,

00:42:09.248 --> 00:42:09.489
you know,

00:42:09.568 --> 00:42:10.949
talk about some of the things

00:42:10.989 --> 00:42:13.251
that... I mean, one is, yeah,

00:42:13.271 --> 00:42:14.251
definitely social media,

00:42:14.271 --> 00:42:15.893
which I'm not very good at.

00:42:15.952 --> 00:42:17.273
I think I'm... It's like you say,

00:42:17.793 --> 00:42:19.135
I'm getting better at it.

00:42:20.135 --> 00:42:22.257
I think the game changer for

00:42:22.297 --> 00:42:24.697
me was when I was recommended, you know,

00:42:24.777 --> 00:42:26.278
Publr, which is just, you know,

00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:29.521
like a buffer.

00:42:29.601 --> 00:42:29.820
You know,

00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:33.083
it allows you to schedule posts

00:42:33.422 --> 00:42:34.023
and to just...

00:42:34.903 --> 00:42:37.284
I think that is a life-saving tool.

00:42:37.364 --> 00:42:42.387
The ability to schedule your post.

00:42:42.407 --> 00:42:43.608
For me, I make a video.

00:42:44.369 --> 00:42:46.170
I take my comic book videos

00:42:46.190 --> 00:42:47.150
that I do weekly.

00:42:47.990 --> 00:42:48.751
I cut it up.

00:42:49.331 --> 00:42:50.793
I make the one, you know,

00:42:50.833 --> 00:42:52.574
ten to twenty minute video.

00:42:53.293 --> 00:42:55.175
And I'm able to cut that up into,

00:42:56.295 --> 00:42:57.916
depending on the book I'm talking about,

00:42:58.056 --> 00:42:59.918
a one to, well,

00:42:59.978 --> 00:43:00.938
I'd say between thirty

00:43:00.978 --> 00:43:02.059
seconds and two minutes.

00:43:02.875 --> 00:43:04.076
I'm able to cut that up and

00:43:04.096 --> 00:43:05.556
then schedule the

00:43:05.635 --> 00:43:09.297
individual videos on YouTube.

00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:15.360
Facebook has a professional

00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:16.461
dashboard that allows you

00:43:16.501 --> 00:43:17.963
to schedule posts as well.

00:43:18.322 --> 00:43:18.943
Only thing I don't like

00:43:18.963 --> 00:43:20.463
about that one is you can't tag.

00:43:21.704 --> 00:43:23.306
So that's kind of one of the

00:43:24.885 --> 00:43:26.206
not cool things about it,

00:43:26.266 --> 00:43:27.327
but it does allow you to

00:43:27.407 --> 00:43:29.509
schedule posts to go out on Facebook and

00:43:30.210 --> 00:43:32.293
Instagram and threads all at

00:43:32.313 --> 00:43:33.114
the same time.

00:43:33.856 --> 00:43:35.719
And you can schedule multiple ones,

00:43:35.759 --> 00:43:37.681
which is a lifesaver.

00:43:38.722 --> 00:43:39.704
And I'm learning to use that

00:43:39.764 --> 00:43:40.746
more and more and more

00:43:40.806 --> 00:43:42.208
because it's a time saving

00:43:42.248 --> 00:43:43.088
thing that I can give my

00:43:43.128 --> 00:43:44.190
time back to myself.

00:43:44.757 --> 00:43:45.259
Yeah,

00:43:45.358 --> 00:43:47.362
I think it's more about also sanity

00:43:47.402 --> 00:43:48.663
because you're not,

00:43:49.945 --> 00:43:50.806
I think with the first

00:43:50.846 --> 00:43:51.806
couple of Kickstarters,

00:43:51.887 --> 00:43:53.510
I was thinking about it all

00:43:53.550 --> 00:43:55.833
the time and it's really not healthy.

00:43:56.434 --> 00:43:57.876
And with this, I'm like, you know what?

00:43:58.036 --> 00:44:00.239
I plan my posts one month in advance,

00:44:00.278 --> 00:44:00.539
you know?

00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:03.001
I'm still refining and I

00:44:03.041 --> 00:44:04.222
still go you know their

00:44:04.282 --> 00:44:05.644
schedule stuff and every

00:44:05.684 --> 00:44:07.407
once in a while but I'm not

00:44:07.507 --> 00:44:09.188
in promotion mode all the

00:44:09.228 --> 00:44:10.811
time I can take some time

00:44:10.851 --> 00:44:11.731
because I know that you

00:44:11.751 --> 00:44:13.853
know especially you know

00:44:13.873 --> 00:44:15.755
with backers from or

00:44:15.835 --> 00:44:17.577
potential backers from the us

00:44:18.498 --> 00:44:19.519
I don't have to be posting

00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.221
at three a.m right I can

00:44:21.240 --> 00:44:23.822
just schedule it and I can

00:44:23.902 --> 00:44:26.242
it's just a lifesaver and a

00:44:26.362 --> 00:44:28.204
sanity saver really so

00:44:28.385 --> 00:44:30.286
definitely you know get one

00:44:30.306 --> 00:44:31.045
of those things for your

00:44:31.085 --> 00:44:32.427
social media because it's

00:44:33.027 --> 00:44:34.168
it's worth the money it's

00:44:34.188 --> 00:44:35.327
sure it's worth the cost

00:44:35.347 --> 00:44:38.230
yeah I mean the other stuff

00:44:38.269 --> 00:44:39.751
is you know don't have too

00:44:39.771 --> 00:44:41.411
many rewards and I should

00:44:41.592 --> 00:44:42.871
listen to that advice myself

00:44:44.092 --> 00:44:45.753
because like you say uh you

00:44:45.773 --> 00:44:47.255
know creating these tiny

00:44:47.275 --> 00:44:48.255
things takes a lot of time

00:44:48.355 --> 00:44:51.217
and I was hoping I was

00:44:51.257 --> 00:44:51.936
thinking that it would take

00:44:51.956 --> 00:44:52.958
me about a week to create

00:44:52.998 --> 00:44:55.338
all the graphics for about

00:44:55.418 --> 00:44:56.358
a day to create all the

00:44:56.378 --> 00:44:57.500
graphics for my campaign it

00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:59.661
took a week yeah that's

00:45:00.141 --> 00:45:02.282
it's insane so I don't know

00:45:02.663 --> 00:45:05.003
um I would say the advice I

00:45:05.023 --> 00:45:07.644
would give another one is

00:45:09.545 --> 00:45:10.947
if it's the first one keep

00:45:10.967 --> 00:45:14.248
your goal very low just to

00:45:14.268 --> 00:45:15.210
make sure that you fund

00:45:15.289 --> 00:45:16.070
just to make sure that you

00:45:16.110 --> 00:45:16.791
go through the entire

00:45:16.831 --> 00:45:19.052
process once yeah that

00:45:19.072 --> 00:45:20.152
makes a lot of sense right

00:45:20.172 --> 00:45:23.114
there yeah just simple

00:45:23.135 --> 00:45:24.476
exactly yeah the first time

00:45:24.576 --> 00:45:25.436
you know keep it really

00:45:25.496 --> 00:45:26.597
simple make sure that you

00:45:26.617 --> 00:45:27.438
can go through the entire

00:45:27.478 --> 00:45:29.199
process I mean if you can

00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:30.400
afford it obviously I mean

00:45:30.561 --> 00:45:32.202
yeah if you spend you know

00:45:32.242 --> 00:45:33.181
a certain amount of money

00:45:33.222 --> 00:45:34.143
and you need to get it back

00:45:34.163 --> 00:45:36.664
then you need to get it back so yeah it's

00:45:38.088 --> 00:45:38.588
I don't know.

00:45:38.909 --> 00:45:42.650
All of this is kind of common.

00:45:44.271 --> 00:45:44.592
I don't know.

00:45:44.871 --> 00:45:45.893
I don't know if this is helpful.

00:45:45.932 --> 00:45:46.132
Well,

00:45:46.172 --> 00:45:47.934
common sense ain't so common no more.

00:45:49.094 --> 00:45:49.715
Well, yeah.

00:45:49.775 --> 00:45:50.434
And to be fair,

00:45:50.635 --> 00:45:51.615
it took me three campaigns

00:45:51.655 --> 00:45:52.456
to learn some of it.

00:45:52.795 --> 00:45:55.818
And I even got it wrong in my current one.

00:45:55.858 --> 00:45:57.018
There's things that I'm saying,

00:45:57.298 --> 00:45:58.719
don't do this that I'm doing.

00:45:58.760 --> 00:45:59.039
Yeah.

00:46:01.380 --> 00:46:03.961
We live and we grow every single day.

00:46:04.561 --> 00:46:05.063
Exactly.

00:46:06.675 --> 00:46:08.818
so we'll we got one we got a

00:46:08.858 --> 00:46:11.619
couple more um so if this

00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:13.041
one manages to reach its

00:46:13.081 --> 00:46:16.224
goal what's next for you

00:46:16.284 --> 00:46:20.507
sir oh I have a very packed

00:46:20.527 --> 00:46:22.530
twenty twenty five assuming

00:46:22.630 --> 00:46:24.711
I've seen something you

00:46:24.731 --> 00:46:26.373
were working on and it

00:46:26.393 --> 00:46:27.693
looked really good again

00:46:28.994 --> 00:46:31.117
and I was like because it

00:46:31.137 --> 00:46:32.097
was up on the kickstarter

00:46:32.117 --> 00:46:32.798
and it's like hey if

00:46:33.438 --> 00:46:34.659
know and it was there with

00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:36.440
it you know like your next

00:46:36.501 --> 00:46:37.501
little project I think it

00:46:37.541 --> 00:46:40.324
was I was like okay was

00:46:40.344 --> 00:46:42.545
that in the updates yes

00:46:43.126 --> 00:46:44.527
okay okay so yeah so that's

00:46:44.567 --> 00:46:45.266
the next one that I'm

00:46:45.306 --> 00:46:46.987
working with samuel and geo

00:46:48.429 --> 00:46:50.411
so which is it's kind of

00:46:50.451 --> 00:46:51.471
it's just some basic

00:46:51.530 --> 00:46:52.851
drawings on there but they

00:46:52.871 --> 00:46:56.213
were in very intriguing

00:46:56.275 --> 00:46:58.155
yeah very intriguing on that one

00:46:58.972 --> 00:47:00.715
yeah so crimson bay yeah

00:47:00.735 --> 00:47:02.817
it's um it's like an homage

00:47:02.956 --> 00:47:05.018
in a way to fighting games

00:47:05.059 --> 00:47:06.240
from the eighties and

00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.163
nineties so your street

00:47:08.202 --> 00:47:11.045
fighters yeah yes yeah your

00:47:11.065 --> 00:47:12.027
street fighters your

00:47:12.067 --> 00:47:13.108
streets afraid that was my

00:47:13.168 --> 00:47:15.309
first thought when I seen

00:47:15.329 --> 00:47:16.371
it I was like oh this very

00:47:16.391 --> 00:47:17.693
street fighter-esque I'm

00:47:17.733 --> 00:47:20.414
like okay I'm like I'm liking it

00:47:21.056 --> 00:47:22.637
yeah that's it it's like you

00:47:22.657 --> 00:47:24.079
know think of it as you

00:47:24.099 --> 00:47:27.001
know and a manga with uh

00:47:27.041 --> 00:47:29.224
western style or you know

00:47:29.864 --> 00:47:32.467
you know massive fights

00:47:32.507 --> 00:47:34.068
with special attacks and

00:47:34.329 --> 00:47:35.510
but there is a story and

00:47:35.530 --> 00:47:36.670
there is obviously you know

00:47:38.072 --> 00:47:42.356
a narrative uh going through it and some

00:47:43.751 --> 00:47:44.172
Yeah, I mean,

00:47:44.213 --> 00:47:45.114
I don't want to talk too much,

00:47:45.153 --> 00:47:46.195
to spoil too much, but yeah.

00:47:46.215 --> 00:47:47.396
Yeah, let's not spoil it.

00:47:47.858 --> 00:47:49.278
I've seen it, and I was like, oh,

00:47:49.298 --> 00:47:51.663
we gotta... That's gonna be a good one.

00:47:52.903 --> 00:47:54.485
Yeah, and that's a longer series as well,

00:47:54.545 --> 00:47:55.927
so it's not like, you know,

00:47:56.188 --> 00:47:57.990
Wild Bereavement is a one-shot.

00:47:59.211 --> 00:48:00.353
It was a one-shot with a...

00:48:01.387 --> 00:48:02.467
cliffhanger, man.

00:48:02.588 --> 00:48:03.327
I was just like,

00:48:03.969 --> 00:48:05.909
how are you going to do that to us?

00:48:06.349 --> 00:48:07.349
Because that was my first

00:48:07.369 --> 00:48:08.010
thing I told you.

00:48:08.030 --> 00:48:08.710
I was like, dude,

00:48:09.329 --> 00:48:10.349
tell me you have another

00:48:10.429 --> 00:48:11.429
one coming on this.

00:48:11.871 --> 00:48:13.590
But I really like the way

00:48:13.610 --> 00:48:14.851
you did the ending because

00:48:15.271 --> 00:48:18.251
if you wanted to circle back to it,

00:48:18.351 --> 00:48:19.032
it's open.

00:48:19.251 --> 00:48:20.632
You can still circle back to

00:48:20.693 --> 00:48:21.612
it if you wanted to.

00:48:22.938 --> 00:48:24.938
So to me, that's brilliant.

00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:26.340
I like, well,

00:48:26.380 --> 00:48:27.940
not all one shots can do this,

00:48:27.981 --> 00:48:28.762
but this is one of those

00:48:28.802 --> 00:48:30.362
stories where it can do

00:48:30.382 --> 00:48:31.463
that if you wanted it to

00:48:31.543 --> 00:48:34.465
later on to do another one

00:48:34.485 --> 00:48:36.987
shot off of it if you want it to.

00:48:38.021 --> 00:48:39.242
yeah and I think that's it I

00:48:39.262 --> 00:48:40.362
think the part there is if

00:48:40.443 --> 00:48:41.543
I can think of something

00:48:41.583 --> 00:48:42.744
that it makes sense to make

00:48:42.784 --> 00:48:45.126
another one I will but I

00:48:45.166 --> 00:48:46.367
don't think I will make it

00:48:46.407 --> 00:48:47.728
just because people want it

00:48:48.128 --> 00:48:49.789
because yeah no you

00:48:49.809 --> 00:48:51.150
shouldn't I don't know it's

00:48:51.210 --> 00:48:52.913
very easy to you know just

00:48:53.452 --> 00:48:55.335
do your sequel because it's

00:48:55.375 --> 00:48:56.536
popular and then you know

00:48:56.795 --> 00:48:58.356
you make I don't want to

00:48:58.396 --> 00:48:59.717
say this life but then you

00:48:59.737 --> 00:49:01.199
make your joker too right

00:49:01.278 --> 00:49:03.460
it's like yeah I don't know

00:49:03.481 --> 00:49:04.342
I haven't I haven't won

00:49:04.481 --> 00:49:06.583
this I haven't won when they use it

00:49:08.884 --> 00:49:09.605
I haven't watched it.

00:49:09.644 --> 00:49:10.985
I just heard people say that

00:49:11.025 --> 00:49:13.807
it's not at all like the first one.

00:49:13.847 --> 00:49:15.048
The first one wouldn't even

00:49:15.088 --> 00:49:15.829
get on that one.

00:49:16.931 --> 00:49:17.793
Okay, fair enough.

00:49:17.893 --> 00:49:18.193
Yeah,

00:49:18.293 --> 00:49:19.673
I do think that the first one was okay.

00:49:19.693 --> 00:49:21.074
But the second one, I haven't watched it.

00:49:21.155 --> 00:49:22.476
I just hear like, it's, yeah.

00:49:22.577 --> 00:49:25.478
You ain't missing nothing.

00:49:25.498 --> 00:49:26.480
Save yourself the two hours.

00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:27.880
Exactly.

00:49:29.782 --> 00:49:31.483
But yeah, I might do that.

00:49:32.945 --> 00:49:34.847
If I come up with some idea that's worth,

00:49:34.887 --> 00:49:36.467
you know, writing something else, I will.

00:49:37.068 --> 00:49:38.090
But yeah, in the meantime,

00:49:38.230 --> 00:49:40.130
working on regular series like, you know,

00:49:40.170 --> 00:49:40.731
Crimson Bay.

00:49:41.579 --> 00:49:42.780
uh which is awesome art for

00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.581
uh I also have a superhero

00:49:45.842 --> 00:49:47.663
series coming up which I

00:49:47.762 --> 00:49:48.884
pitch it uh I didn't see

00:49:48.923 --> 00:49:50.864
that one you did see it

00:49:51.204 --> 00:49:52.164
yeah I seen it listed on

00:49:52.184 --> 00:49:54.346
there okay I I pitch it

00:49:54.445 --> 00:49:55.887
usually as a walking dead

00:49:55.907 --> 00:49:58.108
with superheroes yeah in

00:49:58.128 --> 00:49:59.088
the sense to me it's pretty

00:49:59.108 --> 00:50:00.668
dope story yeah in the

00:50:00.708 --> 00:50:02.289
sense that I'm a fan of the

00:50:02.309 --> 00:50:04.090
walking dead and then you

00:50:04.110 --> 00:50:05.411
throw superheroes on top of

00:50:05.431 --> 00:50:06.992
it I'm like hey you had me

00:50:07.072 --> 00:50:08.072
at walking dead man

00:50:09.454 --> 00:50:10.815
Well, yeah,

00:50:10.875 --> 00:50:13.677
but there aren't really zombies.

00:50:13.836 --> 00:50:14.458
I take that back.

00:50:14.478 --> 00:50:16.139
Don't give too much.

00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:17.360
I take that back.

00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:18.820
I was going to say there are no zombies.

00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:19.422
That's not true.

00:50:22.384 --> 00:50:25.126
But yeah, it's not about the zombies.

00:50:25.166 --> 00:50:26.047
Let's put it like that.

00:50:27.447 --> 00:50:28.628
Imagine a world where, you know,

00:50:29.284 --> 00:50:30.686
regular world where you wake

00:50:30.726 --> 00:50:31.847
up one day and suddenly

00:50:31.867 --> 00:50:32.947
there are superheroes like

00:50:33.028 --> 00:50:33.889
so it's that kind of

00:50:33.949 --> 00:50:36.112
concept okay how does that

00:50:36.152 --> 00:50:37.393
affect you know the world

00:50:37.434 --> 00:50:39.695
and that sort of thing uh I

00:50:39.715 --> 00:50:40.838
mean yeah I have a few I

00:50:40.878 --> 00:50:43.800
have the sci-fi uh

00:50:43.820 --> 00:50:44.742
anthology that I told you

00:50:44.782 --> 00:50:47.244
about which is one story

00:50:47.284 --> 00:50:48.606
away from being finished

00:50:49.547 --> 00:50:50.608
and I'm really excited about

00:50:50.628 --> 00:50:51.989
that one a lot of stories

00:50:52.090 --> 00:50:53.871
there that I really like uh

00:50:55.751 --> 00:50:57.793
yeah I mean like I said

00:50:57.833 --> 00:50:59.153
quite a lot of I have

00:50:59.193 --> 00:51:02.175
another one shot uh that is

00:51:02.235 --> 00:51:05.978
more like uh medieval okay

00:51:05.998 --> 00:51:08.500
historical drama think you

00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:10.161
know the political parts of

00:51:10.380 --> 00:51:11.041
game of thrones okay yeah

00:51:11.061 --> 00:51:13.882
yeah so it's that kind of

00:51:13.943 --> 00:51:16.905
thing um yeah I have stuff

00:51:17.244 --> 00:51:18.465
for this year quite a lot

00:51:19.914 --> 00:51:21.155
Sounds like it's a full year, man.

00:51:21.175 --> 00:51:25.576
Yeah, which depends on this funding.

00:51:25.655 --> 00:51:25.956
Yeah.

00:51:26.056 --> 00:51:27.076
So let's see if we can't get

00:51:27.115 --> 00:51:28.637
this funded the rest of the way, man.

00:51:29.876 --> 00:51:31.817
One more time before before

00:51:31.856 --> 00:51:34.197
we we close it down for the day.

00:51:35.197 --> 00:51:36.237
Tell people where they can

00:51:36.378 --> 00:51:38.798
find this current project

00:51:38.818 --> 00:51:39.818
that on Kickstarter,

00:51:39.918 --> 00:51:41.259
how they can find it and

00:51:41.318 --> 00:51:42.338
also tell them where they

00:51:42.358 --> 00:51:44.079
can find you on social

00:51:44.099 --> 00:51:45.500
media if they want to give you a follow.

00:51:46.902 --> 00:51:47.402
Yeah, sure.

00:51:47.442 --> 00:51:48.842
So this project, yeah,

00:51:48.902 --> 00:51:50.103
just go to Kickstarter and

00:51:50.143 --> 00:51:51.784
search for bereavement.

00:51:52.324 --> 00:51:53.184
I have a couple of other

00:51:53.224 --> 00:51:54.585
projects there as well if you want to,

00:51:54.686 --> 00:51:54.965
you know,

00:51:55.045 --> 00:51:56.947
to look out and you want to follow them,

00:51:57.007 --> 00:51:58.427
follow them right now as well.

00:51:58.487 --> 00:51:59.148
But, you know,

00:51:59.188 --> 00:52:00.829
right now live is bereavement.

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And if you want to find me on social media,

00:52:04.043 --> 00:52:06.065
Blue Sky right now is the best place.

00:52:06.766 --> 00:52:11.289
And it's Bruno Caterino, I think?

00:52:11.309 --> 00:52:12.710
It is, yep.

00:52:12.731 --> 00:52:13.311
It is, okay.

00:52:14.833 --> 00:52:18.956
And yeah, I'm trying out Mastodon and Vero,

00:52:19.478 --> 00:52:20.278
but I don't know.

00:52:20.358 --> 00:52:21.960
I don't see people using them.

00:52:22.019 --> 00:52:24.382
So right there, it's B Caterino.

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So, you know.

00:52:26.918 --> 00:52:29.320
me a follow there but yeah I

00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:30.161
don't see people going

00:52:30.181 --> 00:52:31.423
there so blue sky really is

00:52:31.443 --> 00:52:34.807
the the main one right now

00:52:34.827 --> 00:52:37.951
sounds good that's it all

00:52:37.971 --> 00:52:38.992
right I'll bring us home

00:52:39.012 --> 00:52:40.634
then um all right everybody

00:52:41.842 --> 00:52:42.563
If you're able to,

00:52:43.023 --> 00:52:44.023
head over to Kickstarter,

00:52:44.344 --> 00:52:45.403
search bereavement,

00:52:46.125 --> 00:52:47.784
and give this project a

00:52:47.885 --> 00:52:49.746
back in if you can.

00:52:50.585 --> 00:52:52.427
I have personally read it already,

00:52:52.586 --> 00:52:54.568
and it is a phenomenal read

00:52:55.088 --> 00:52:56.568
and deals with grieving in

00:52:56.588 --> 00:52:59.690
a way that you don't really suspect.

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I will leave it at that.

00:53:02.170 --> 00:53:04.710
It is a unique way to look

00:53:04.791 --> 00:53:08.592
at grieving and really...

00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:12.880
impact on an individual when

00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:13.900
it comes to grieving and

00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:14.920
how everybody is

00:53:15.081 --> 00:53:16.840
differently when it comes to grieving.

00:53:19.802 --> 00:53:22.442
Go find Bruno over on Blue Sky.

00:53:22.922 --> 00:53:24.181
B, Caterino.

00:53:25.083 --> 00:53:25.862
Bruno Caterino.

00:53:26.282 --> 00:53:27.242
Yep.

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There you go.

00:53:29.742 --> 00:53:31.684
So what's coming up next for you, SDN?

00:53:31.824 --> 00:53:33.184
We'll be back next week with

00:53:33.224 --> 00:53:37.264
another new comic book day as always.

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Hopefully I can get it out to you sooner.

00:53:41.257 --> 00:53:42.318
Keeping in mind that

00:53:42.358 --> 00:53:44.219
distribution is horrible

00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:45.920
right now due to everything going on.

00:53:47.001 --> 00:53:47.983
But with that,

00:53:48.664 --> 00:53:49.605
I'm going to leave you with

00:53:51.106 --> 00:53:52.847
my man over here and his new book,

00:53:52.887 --> 00:53:53.387
Bereavement,

00:53:53.407 --> 00:53:55.010
that is currently up on Kickstarter.

00:53:55.170 --> 00:53:57.311
It is USDN approved.

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If you tuned in to join us this morning,

00:53:59.393 --> 00:54:00.375
I appreciate you.

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With that,

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I will leave you all with a thanks.