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Unknown: Coming to you from
crash studios in Music City,

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USA, Nashville. This is the rich
Redmond show.

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What's up, folks? Yep, it's that
time. It's time for another

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exciting episode of the rich
Redmond show. Hey, we're in the

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holiday season here in
Nashville. Man, the leaves are

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falling. It's like a Van
Morrison song. My favorite time

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in Nashville. It's super crisp.
The weather is great. Jim

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McCarthy, Jim McCarthy,
voiceovers.com, Jim, what is up?

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Oh, you know, it's been a minute
as my co host, my co producer,

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my sidekick, yes, sidekick. But
listen, man, we got something to

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celebrate. We got over 200
episodes. We do, and I know that

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there's some other drum podcasts
out there. They've got 600

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episodes. They got 1000
episodes. But hey, this is a

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commitment. We did this, man,
right? That's right. Well, we

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started with two a week five
years ago. We couldn't keep up

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that pace, but now we're at
about one a week, right? And I'm

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just proud of us, man, and
thanks for all your time and

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talent. And

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you know, we live in different
proximities now, so it's going

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to be easier. Oh, it's so much
easier.

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Why? Because I am a spring
hillian, like, there's just been

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this trend to migrate

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south. You're no longer a brand
yachan brandia,

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yeah, I was on the poor side of
Brentwood, but all right, it was

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so convenient. And now I'm a
spring hillian. I'm a one mile

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away from everything. Isn't that
crazy, including an awesome

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cigar bar where I run into my
friend, our guest today, hailing

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from Ventura, California,
calling Nashville home for 28

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years, for 17 years. Now, that's
a good gig, great gig, if you

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can keep it. And he has the
award winning country rock

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recording artist trace Atkins.
We're talking about our friend

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John spittle. What's up,
partner? Good to be here. But

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you know what? We were on tour
together, on the CMT Tour, where

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trace was a headliner. Jason was
an opener of an opener, because

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the middle slot was Billy
Currington, right? Think this

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was like 2008 right? And that's
where we were every night we got

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to share the stage together.
Some time has passed, but man,

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look at this celebrated career.
You've also worked with people

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like Paul Brandt, Sarah Evans,
Chris Cagle, Aaron Tippin, Tammy

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Cochran, Kelly, coffee. Matt
King, I mean, this is like

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taking me back, because we both
moved to Nashville around the

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same time, 97 for me, 96 for
you, right? Why would you ever

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leave Ventura, California? Oh,
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it worked out, but worked out
what?

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What made me move to Nashville
was my brother's a bass player.

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He moved here a year before I
did. And do I know your

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basement? Bring

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that microphone a little closer
to here, if you could bring that

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microphone a little bit. Okay.
Oh, yeah, get on that. Is that

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better? Yeah,

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it's nice. So my brother moved
here a year before, and he kept

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calling me, saying, man, you
gotta move to Nashville. And I'm

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like, yeah, go to Asheville. You
know, I had my stuff going in,

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LA and all that. And so my ex
wife, I'm a car guy too. So I

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had this cool little car, and I
just put a crazy price tag on it

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and told my ex wife, if it sells
for that, we're going to

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Nashville. Nice day later, it
sold for that guy never been

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haggled the price, yeah. So I
handed her the cash. Said, Guess

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we're going to Nashville. Book
the moving truck. Book the

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moving truck, which is my dad,
because my dad used to have a

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sound company, so he had a big
box van, and we loaded it up and

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drove out to Nashville. Wow. So
your dad had a sound company,

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but also he was a drummer. He
was a drummer first. That's what

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he paid the bills with when I
was coming up.

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Yeah, yeah. And you have a son
who's a drummer, an amazing, a

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pro drummer. So three
generations of spittle working

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spittle drummers. That's

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it, yeah, man, amazing. What
spit what is that? I think it's

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English, yeah, yeah. What's my
grandpa was English? My grandma

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was Irish, the spot

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of tea, yeah. Do you like tea or
more coffee? No. I mean, this

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kind of thing, yeah. But you
have good teeth, you know? Yeah,

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I worked once for a spittle. Oh,
really, in Las Vegas, yeah?

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Gavin, spittle. He came from
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Well, I've never met anybody
with that last name that isn't

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directly related to me. That's
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It must be a small pool of
people out of it, yeah, yeah.

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since Facebook came out, you
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woodwork, yeah, but I don't know
if I'm related to them, but

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I don't mean I don't meet a lot
of redmonds. I know that there's

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a there was Lane Redmond she
was, God, rest her soul. She was

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like a hand drummer. And there's
some sort of meteorologist of

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prominence and an air traffic
controller of prominence that

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are Google able, right? So
these, I guess these are my

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online brethren. What about
McCarthy's tons, tons of

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McCarthy, tons of drunk
McCarthy, McCarthy, I get

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mistaken for you. Do you know
Paul? Paul McCarthy or McCarthy?

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Good funny on. Ever

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that one I like. You got the
newsy cap on today. I'm kind of

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like delivering newspapers. You
like it? I like the new look.

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That's the news. Are you asking
me if I have a new shirt? He has

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a way of it. Like, if I, if I
buy something, he'll go and he

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doesn't like it. He goes, how's
that new? Yeah, oh

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no. Awkward silence. Yeah.

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There's some drum gear upstairs
that I like. It's good. Looks

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good. Yeah, looks fairly

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I've got, I've innovated, yeah,
I'm probably gonna set a trend.

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got an x hat with the pedal
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like Donny win member with,
like, you know, so you don't

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have to cross your arms. Robert
Palmer, and then you could high

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stick a lot easier. Oh, totally.
You get the full stroke out of

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the snare drum, the full stroke,
and it's the Hollywood muscles

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up up here, yeah, rotator cup.
What is it? The rotator cuff.

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Are you surgery free? Have you
evaded surgeries? No, surgeries.

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That's nice. As far as drumming
related stuff, yes, I got the

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mesh. I got the mesh down here
from Did you know lifting, bass,

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drums and Hammond organs and
stuff over the years?

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Yeah, yeah, no, I've been
fortunate. Shoulders, wrists,

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yeah, all that stuff still good.
So what

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do you do? Do you do something
on the daily physically? Or do

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you do some stretching, or
before you play? Do you have any

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kind of like routines?

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I try and stay active. I'm
always trying to do something. I

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don't have a warm up routine,
yeah, you know, I know guys like

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yourself, you get the sticks in
your hands, yeah? Do all that.

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But I'll stretch. I'll do the
rolling of my wrists, yeah, you

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know, do this, the stretch back,
and that kind of stuff. That's

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about it, yeah? And then I just
sit down and play

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now, Ventura, California. I'm
being totally ADHD today. I'm

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all over the place, but that's
what we do. Um,

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were you surfer? I did. I surfed
when I was younger, yeah,

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yeah. Now, is it like a riding a
bike, where if you were to get a

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go do it, it would come back.

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I don't know. Yeah, it's been so
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sure probably would, but when I
fell, it probably hurt worse. Oh

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God, the coral and all that
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I never really didn't see any
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chief. I

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think a Russ Kunkel is a surfer,
and one time I talked to him,

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and he said, man, they're always
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there. You can't, you can't
think about it absolutely. How

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do you not think about it?
Sharks, snakes, scorpions and

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spiders. Those are the four S's.
I don't like

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any of them. Is that a thing?
The four S's, I just created it.

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There we go. Out there,

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the 4s and the line through it
on the shirt. So was your was

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your dad classically trained? Or
was he self taught? Did he show

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you how to play?

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He was self taught. He taught
when he was I think he learned

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when he was in his late teens,
and self taught and played

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around Ventura area and in
different rock bands and country

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bands, yeah, and and did that
for a lot of years. Taught me

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when I was, like, four or five
years old, oh, wow, I blame him

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for playing so hard, because
when I was a kid, I couldn't

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quite reach the snare. And back
in those days, you know, they

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didn't sell the little bitty kid
drum kits. You had to play the

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real thing. So he would get me
as close as I could to the bass

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drum and the snare would be up
here. So I'd hit it soft. And he

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kept saying, hit it like you
mean it. Hit it like you mean

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it. Who knows your money?

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I always say that hit it like it
owes you money. Yeah, right. So

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you know that just stuck with
me, yeah the whole time. And,

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and,

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yeah, but you have a clean,
strong backbeat. And I always

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tell all my students, I mean,
learn all the styles you

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possibly can, and it's great to
learn how to go sping, Spang, a

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Lang because if we didn't have
spangling, we wouldn't have the

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drum set, right? Drum set as a
result of of jazz. Um, but if

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you got a mean backbeat, you can
play anywhere in the world for

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the rest of your life. Oh, thank
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man. You know, yeah, yeah. I
think he my dad. I have to thank

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my dad for that, because I went
through a period in high school

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where I joined the band and, oh,
what are these rudiment things?

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Yeah. And next thing you know,
you're wanting to play

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everything you know over the top
of a song, yeah. And I remember

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when he came out and saw me play
one time. He told me, he said I

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was playing the troubadour. Oh,
yeah, Doug Weston's troubadour,

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yeah. And I was like, I think I
was about 16, and I was throwing

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up all over these songs. I mean,
everything I knew, throwing up

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after the show. He was sitting
out there, and I came out and

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said, What'd you think? He goes,
you wanna know the truth? Well,

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yeah, suck. That's some tough
love. He said, you lost your

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groove. Yeah, you lost your
groove, man. The two and four

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went away. Your guys were
singing and you were. Playing

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over the top of them, and yeah,
and he goes, I recommend you

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kick snare hat. And when you get
that down again, then you could

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add a Tom, then a symbol, when
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say playing over him. Do you
mean like, just Neil peering,

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filling over Oh,

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yeah. Just, just, yeah,
diarrhea,

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the drums, yeah. You got to go
through that phase. And the

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earlier, the better. Yeah, yeah.

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So I did. I sat back and, you
know, yeah, took his advice, and

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he's never steered me wrong, you
know, yeah, he said, Hey, if you

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can make that bass player
comfortable, that guitar player

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comfortable, you'll work
amazing. I gotta be able to rest

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on you. That's great advice. And
do we still have your dad? Yeah,

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he's 80. Just turned

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80. That's amazing. My dad's
gonna be 80 as well. Wow, in

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June. That's crazy. He

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was 80 in October, and smokes
two cigars a day and drinks

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bourbon every day. Is that where
you got it from? The cigar?

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Love, I think I introduced him
to it. Yeah, it's

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and it's a thing that could run
away from you. We were just, we

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were talking about, well, we ran
into another friend. This is

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crazy. I There's a great
engineer in town. He's a, he's a

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brew of yours as well, JR
McNeely. He's amazing. And he's

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a fantastic he was a tre, like a
tracking engineer, like every

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day in Nashville. And I worked
with him in 1999 doing a session

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for Crystal talifero. And I
don't think I've seen him much

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sense, but I walk into the cigar
bar, and he goes, Rich. And I

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was like, Oh my god. So here we
are. I don't know how many 20

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something years later we ran
into each other. Turns out,

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yeah, we were talking about
George Burns. And the old joke

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is like, Hey George, what does
your doctor think about you

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smoking six cigars a day and
drinking all this bourbon and

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chasing young women. He goes, I
don't know he's dead.

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He was good that way. That's a
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one. But then you walked into
the room and I'm like, Oh my

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God, John, I haven't seen you in
forever, right? You

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know what the funny thing is
about that place you walk in and

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everybody's looking at you like,
where do I know you from? At

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least, that's the impression I
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know what it's it's the I feel
like I'm ashamed, the amount of

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business and pleasure I mixed at
a place called the red door in

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Nashville. And everybody who
knows bring up my name is

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synonymous with, like, you need
a cheers. You need a place where

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you walk in, they go, Hey,
Normie, right? So they got good

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beer there too. What the best
dude, there too, best drinks in

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town. So now this is, I'm in a
new chapter in my life where

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this is going to be, are my
cheers, and it's great. It's got

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a great let's, let's plug it.
Let's plug the place. Let's give

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us the love. Yeah,

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the mission cigar and social in
Spring Hill, Tennessee. Look at

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that, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Great place. You can get the

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Casa cubata cigar there, yeah?
Cigars there, yeah,

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a lot. So are you, uh, speaking
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opinion? There's so many
different types, brands, sizes,

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cuts, experiment, try a
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you like to stick to something?
I

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went through that phase, yeah,
but now I know what I like. So I

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I like a Perdomo, yeah? 20th or
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Maduro wrapper. Yeah, I don't
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that we're similar, because
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prodomos, and they have those
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five different kinds. Yeah,

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those are great. Yeah, it's a
great value. And, you know, I

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don't smoke every day, I may
look like it if you you know, if

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we talk about it, but I don't,
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I'm trying to avoid that,
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We're happy you have something
that's meditative and something

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that can calm you freaking down,
but don't do it every day. I was

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like, absolutely no, absolutely

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do it every other day,

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right? And the days you do it,
you do maybe two or three

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instead makeup for the day.
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heck, I used to smoke a pack and
a half a day of cigarettes. I

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didn't know, Jim, I didn't know.
I never knew you smoked

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cigarettes.

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I was my teenage years. Oh, he
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years old. I could see you doing
it now in that hat on the street

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corner. Hey kid, I tell

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you you smell a good cigarette.
It brings you back and it makes

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you like man. I wouldn't mind
having one right now, yeah? But

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then you open up Pandora's Box,
yeah? But, you know it's like,

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we've quit so many times we
could do it again, not that we'd

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ever start again, yeah? But, you
know, it's you have to

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do Chantix, and got all raging.
No good. We just the

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first time Courtney got
pregnant, and I was like, Okay,

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that's it. We're just quitting.
Wait a minute, Courtney smoked,

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too. Yeah? Oh, she was a big
smoker. Wow, yep, it's

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crazy. I never got into the
cigarettes, yeah, yeah. Cigar is

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more of a good thing about a
cigar. There's a lot of

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conversation that could happen
around a cigar. It takes a long

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time to smoke. You sit down, get
to know somebody over Yeah,

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unless you smoke it like a
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which you know, I guess I'm not
enjoying it at that point. Hey,

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so

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tell us about, tell us about
this podcast.

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So it's called music and cigars
with John and Jr, JR McNeely.

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You talked about, yeah, and we
just started it. It's fun, you

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know, we'll see where it goes.
But, um, it's on. YouTube. How

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many episodes are you in? I
think we've got six or seven up

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right now. So nice, not too long
ago. And as some of those are

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music videos, like we recorded
Black Dog by Zeppelin, yeah, and

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in the cigar shop after hours.
So you guys set up your gear in

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the cigar shop.

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Recorded, yeah, oh my god, oh my
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really Pink Floyd song, and
there's Have a cigar.

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Yeah, it's funny. One of the
podcasts I produce right here,

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the ales and tails podcast here,
I'll put it up

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at the camera. Everybody does
know that Jim produces about 20

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podcasts,

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so we actually do beer tasting
right in here and do a bunch of

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stuff. We've been wanting to get
our podcast in there just to do

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a remote. You know, they're

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great guys. They let us do it.
We do interviews in there with

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songwriters, musicians,
producers, producers, all that

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kind of stuff.

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I love it, man, yeah. Put that
on the dude to do list. And so,

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coming to Nashville, what were
you doing in Los Angeles? What

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kind of work did you go to
college and study, or anything,

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or man on the streets? No,

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I didn't I, you know, I played
around in rock bands, trying to

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be a rock star, you know, that
whole deal. So Viper whiskey,

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yeah, places, yeah. And
different bands, different

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things. And then I got hooked
into doing some jingles, doing

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session work down there, doing
jingles and doing demos and

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doing some of that stuff. So
that was kind of my bread and

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butter for a little while. On
top of, I'm a car guy, and at

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that time, you had to have a day
job. So I was an auto mechanic

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for a Chevrolet dealership.
Okay? And I had a real cool

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service manager that would let
me, I could call in that

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morning, say, Hey, I just got
called to do a jingle in LA. Can

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it, you know? Yeah, pick off go,
yeah. And I was able to go do

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that. I kind of wrote my own
hours, yeah, was

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it a not on a franchise
dealership, but was a

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corporately owned or family
owned dealership, family

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owned, yeah, family owned
Chevrolet. That wouldn't happen.

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He was real cool. I

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have a car background, so,

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okay, yeah. And so, yeah, I
started doing that, and, and,

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and stayed pretty busy and, and
then when the Nashville thing

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came around. You know, I saw it
as a good opportunity to raise

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my family in a good place, yeah,
and try something different,

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something and not have to work
on cars, and not have to do

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things because California is so
expensive. Yeah,

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do you work on your own cars
here when you got to change your

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oil? Do all that kind of I do
just because I can, do you

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have the gear, like the lift and
all that stuff. No. So

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the house I live in now is just
in a neighborhood, but my father

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in law lives two miles from me,
and he's got a 50 by 50 shop

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with a lift in it. All that

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makes it so much easier.

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Yeah, so I just take stuff over
there. I worked

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that. I mean, I got to tell you.
I don't, I couldn't tell you how

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to change oil if my someone had
me at gunpoint, dude,

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I swear we need to do, like, a
series similar to, like, dirty

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jobs, where you just go do
things no one would ever think

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you would do. Oh, yeah, because
I'm so precious going hunting or

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fish, deep sea fishing or deep
sea

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fishing, that sounds fun. You
just change and go tower

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drinking the night before, like
Tully and I have done many

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times. Yeah.

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But you know, deep not Well, I
guess, I guess you could see you

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deep sea fishing, changing a
tire, changing oil, hell,

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changing an air filter.

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Now I can change an air filter.
And my current handyman, who's a

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god, he's a godsend. I'm not
talking about the one in your

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house, the one that's talking
about the guy that is in my

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house right now, he showed me
how to correctly. WD, 40 creaky

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doors. And I'm going around to
all of my doors and W D, 48 my

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creaky doors. It's so sad. Are
you one of

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these guys? Are you like Brad
from Daddy's home, where you

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keep your tools in a fishing
tackle box with along with a

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tampon. Maybe you know what
movie I'm talking about. It's

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with Marky, Mark, Mark Wahlberg
and Will Ferrell. Oh, my God,

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you've never seen that. Which
one is it called Daddy's home.

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It's a funny parts of it. It's a
great movie. Yeah, yeah. He gets

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home, he's like, you know, you
got any tools like Mark plays

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the like will is his character
is the stepfather to these kids

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who belong to Mark Wahlberg,
who's the divorced dad and the

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wife and stuff like that. Mark
Wahlberg still in love with the

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wife to a certain extent. So he
comes back in their lives and

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tries to drive. Will's character
out in the beginning. And, you

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know, he acts friendly at first,
like, hey, we, we're gonna knock

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down this wall. Brad, you know
how Marky Mark talks? Marky

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Mark, Mark Wahlberg, yeah. And
he's like, where are your tools?

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Oh, I'll be right back. And he
keeps his tools in like, a

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hallway dresser. You know that
kind of Yeah, you probably have

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to watch it.

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No. But it sounds very similar
to that movie. The other guys

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were their cops, right? And they
were great to will. Ferrell's

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wife is Eva Mendes, and she
comes out, and he's like, God,

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put some makeup on her present.
Could you present yourself

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better? And she's gorgeous,

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yeah, yeah. And Mark Wahlberg is
like, Are you seriously married

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to him.

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And she's like, Yeah, I know,

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great actor. He really has, he
really he's a man of many

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talents. And then he's like, in
incredibly good shape.

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Oh, yeah, Marky Mark, yeah,
totally. I don't know why I keep

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on calling him Marky Mark, yeah.
Well,

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I mean, that's where it all
started. First of all, he was a

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Calvin Klein model, I believe
then he was a recording artist

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and then a serious actor,

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would he have been famous,
though, without Donnie?

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Interesting question, because I
feel like he's almost as far as,

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like, global Oh, he's
absolutely, totally surpassed.

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But

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Donny was the catalyst that
attracted the attention to the

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family, because it was Donnie
Wahlberg of the backs that the

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Backstreet Boys, but New Kids

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on the Block where it was, were
those the bye bye bye guys, or

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is that another group? No, that
came

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that bye bye bye. Yeah, yeah.

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Song was prominently featured in
Deadpool and Wolverine. Oh

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yeah. Jim is a serious Marvel
guy. Is there something we would

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never guess about you? Like that
you're a super fan of,

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I like the Marvel stuff, but I'm
not a super fan, yeah, I don't

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think I'm a super fan of
anything, yeah. Really, like,

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Well,

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I mean, I worked at a Chevrolet
dealer, I would imagine more

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vets Camaros. No, really,

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I'm into the more the old muscle
cars, like the old, old Camaros,

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right? Nothing like you may know
what this is, but like a tubed

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out old muscle car with the
blower hanging out of the hood,

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that's kind of my, my thing
wild, you know, not mine.

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You rev the engine and the whole
car torques exactly, you know,

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old

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drag racer. You have one of
those in your possession. Not so

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since moving back here, I
haven't but my dad has a 1930

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model, a that I built the motor
for, and it's got about 450

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horsepower. He puts it around he
lives out in Lebanon, so he he

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puts it around town, takes it to
car shows.

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Well, it is quaint. Yeah,
Tennessee is charming. It really

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is. You just got to watch out.
When you get out to the far

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outskirts, you start hearing
banjos, yeah, you

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gotta be careful. You gotta just
run. It's a big squealing. I'm

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not sure if it's like that
anymore. It's getting very

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bougie now, like even down into
Lewisburg. That's where the

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overflow from Columbia is going
to go, yeah? I think so. The

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next explosive growth area, I
think, is going to be Lewisburg.

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Think so, yeah, probably.

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But I'm hoping that Spring Hill
becomes like freaking Pasadena,

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just just money flowing in,
property values, just

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skyrocketing the roof. Next
thing you know, you and I got

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gargoyles. Gargoyles. Yeah, we
got gargoyles by our mailbox,

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and we got little spitting Greek
kids. And

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there's nothing that's stopping
you from doing that now,

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yeah, I don't know if my
neighborhood, they would like

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the gargoyles, yeah,

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like cement, black gargoyles
with red eyes.

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It's funny, my house was known
as the party house. The couple

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that moved out was the loudest
couple in the neighborhood, and

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then here I come. Oh, wow. I'm,
I'm, we're the loud couple with

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the drums, and I just played the
drums. Been there six weeks,

431
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played the drums for the first
time, just had my little Darrow

432
00:23:30,859 --> 00:23:33,859
Jones PDP kit, you know, just
almost like ding duck a ding,

433
00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:37,819
just to ease him into it. And
then slowly played along to some

434
00:23:37,819 --> 00:23:40,599
Eagles records. So far, so

435
00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:44,259
good, so good. I don't have any
idea. I'll go upstairs and play

436
00:23:44,259 --> 00:23:46,839
when everybody leaves here,
because my kit is upstairs,

437
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:49,479
yeah, and I just have a ball.
There's wood shed and

438
00:23:49,479 --> 00:23:53,139
everything. And sometimes the
people that work here will be

439
00:23:53,139 --> 00:23:56,679
outside, and one girl Sydney,
she's like, I was down by the

440
00:23:56,679 --> 00:23:59,079
mailbox, and I could still hear
you. Jim

441
00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:05,159
is Jim is self taught. He is a
he has the thing. He's a rock

442
00:24:05,159 --> 00:24:08,699
drummer, like he's he can bark
away on the high hat. He's

443
00:24:08,699 --> 00:24:11,819
cracking rim shots. He's burying
the beard. There's a nice

444
00:24:11,819 --> 00:24:15,299
balance between the limbs. He
knows the vocabulary of a rock

445
00:24:15,299 --> 00:24:18,419
drummer. He doesn't read music.
I'd love for him to read music,

446
00:24:18,419 --> 00:24:20,219
but he he's, you're just a
natural.

447
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:25,340
If I only had a charting course
of a certain personality, yeah,

448
00:24:25,699 --> 00:24:28,639
he wants me to do a charting
course. We're gonna film it in

449
00:24:28,699 --> 00:24:33,319
2025 so by, I say this publicly
right now, where you can by

450
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:39,619
Christmas of 2025 we will have a
very nice charting course. How

451
00:24:39,619 --> 00:24:42,939
about by Hanukkah? Okay, well,
that's, yeah, that's early

452
00:24:42,939 --> 00:24:43,479
December. Is

453
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,540
it going to be Nashville numbers
or

454
00:24:46,539 --> 00:24:49,239
no? Because Jim rallies got that
covered. I'm going to go in my

455
00:24:49,239 --> 00:24:54,279
lane, which is how to create the
quickest drum chart you could

456
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:56,979
possibly create, yeah, in real
time, because I have my

457
00:24:56,979 --> 00:25:00,719
students. I'll turn the thing
over. And I'll say, All right,

458
00:25:00,719 --> 00:25:03,419
here you go. We're gonna both
chart as much of this song as

459
00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:07,259
humanly possible. Four bar
intro, verse, eight bars pre.

460
00:25:07,259 --> 00:25:11,099
Chorus, three measures a stop on
beat two, the fourth bar. So I'm

461
00:25:11,099 --> 00:25:13,259
writing it all in real time, and
they're looking at me like, oh,

462
00:25:13,259 --> 00:25:15,359
Mike. I'm like, Yeah, dude. And
we start, we'll start with,

463
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,719
like, hurts so good, right?
Boom, crack, boom, crack, boom,

464
00:25:18,719 --> 00:25:21,319
boom. And then I'm like, Okay,
you just got to get faster. So

465
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:24,979
you got to chart five songs a
day, every day, and so then

466
00:25:25,159 --> 00:25:28,519
you'll have it so down that if
anybody calls you and says, Hey,

467
00:25:28,999 --> 00:25:32,119
I need you tomorrow, 60 songs,
no rehearsal. You

468
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:36,620
got this dude charting songs is
a saving grace. Saving Grace I

469
00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:39,740
could, I couldn't imagine
learning 45 minutes worth of

470
00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:43,240
songs without having that,
without having it that, and even

471
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,500
heard it here. Kids, when I use,
I use a the Nashville Number

472
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:50,980
System as a base, yes, and then
notated here and there for

473
00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:56,800
certain punches. So you do,
like, 1451, I do 11112222, and I

474
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,460
go all the way through four.
Like, I'll list out 121111222,

475
00:26:00,460 --> 00:26:06,300
211112222, all the way. If
there's, you know, 16 bars and

476
00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:09,120
there's four, right? Yeah, and
then I go onto the course, start

477
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:13,020
over at one, and that way, at a
quick glance, if I look over the

478
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:15,420
one, starts it over in that next
section of the song.

479
00:26:15,420 --> 00:26:15,960
Interesting.

480
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,520
So you have a modified now, do
you introduce, like western

481
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,580
classical notation, like Bob,

482
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,140
Bob breaks and punches and
diamonds and, you know, those

483
00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:27,500
kinds of

484
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:30,440
things. So Jerry Rowe, it's kind
of interesting. Jerry Rose has

485
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,900
become that one of the hottest
session drummers in Nashville

486
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:37,040
right now, and he does kind of
like a Larry London thing, which

487
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:44,740
is 11111, you know, and it's,
and that's cool. So my thing is

488
00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:50,080
more like, here's the intro,
four bar and intro four, right?

489
00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:55,660
Verse, one, seven stop on beat,
one, there, and then I'll, maybe

490
00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:57,880
I'll write the kick drum and
snare drum pattern there, boom,

491
00:26:57,940 --> 00:27:00,840
crack, Boom. There you go,
crack. And I got my BPMs up

492
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,180
here, right? Whatever you need.

493
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,480
So to me, there's no right or
wrong. You could take any method

494
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,980
and morph it to work for you.
You know Sean London, Larry

495
00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:13,800
London son, yeah. So he's the
one that showed me the Larry

496
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,120
London method, yeah. And then it
just got to where it was all

497
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:21,080
those ones, too many ones, I'd
get lost, yeah. So that's when I

498
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,700
started doing the 1234, just,
uh, for me, yeah. And I told him

499
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:28,940
about it. He told me it was
stupid. So if you know Sean the

500
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,800
numbers that you said it in,
well, he became,

501
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,820
like a great lighting designer.
I think that his his craft now,

502
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:35,060
yeah,

503
00:27:35,059 --> 00:27:38,599
he does, uh, video, walls.
Video, yeah. Oh, really, yeah,

504
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:39,859
interesting, yeah,

505
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,200
yeah. So just tell us, really
quickly, since we don't have a

506
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,040
sponsor, what all your side
hustles are here at this in this

507
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:48,400
building,

508
00:27:48,940 --> 00:27:52,360
all the side hustles, let's see
we have the podcasting, which is

509
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:56,920
the, it's your show.co, right,
where I am somewhat actively

510
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,540
involved, or fully involved with
podcasts on some degree or

511
00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:04,140
another, we have incredible
doors, and you're local here. If

512
00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:08,280
you ever have a garage door
issue, call me. Where we fix

513
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,740
garage doors. Maintain
installing new garage doors.

514
00:28:10,740 --> 00:28:14,280
Upgrade lighting. We do a lot of
light. We manufacture our own

515
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,640
lighting over if you've been
through a car wash with all the

516
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,780
colored lights, yeah,

517
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,740
probably did you guys do the one
down on Columbia Pike on Main

518
00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:23,600
the domain drag in Spring Hill.

519
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,499
You're talking about the one by
Lowe's, yeah, it's like, right

520
00:28:27,499 --> 00:28:32,119
behind the mission. Those are by
the mission.

521
00:28:33,619 --> 00:28:37,699
There's two. There's one up by
Lowe's. There's one down by the

522
00:28:37,699 --> 00:28:39,559
cross things, yeah, there's one
off

523
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:41,139
port Roy, we don't mention them.
Those

524
00:28:41,140 --> 00:28:44,260
are, yeah, okay, no, they went
with they went with somebody

525
00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:44,500
else.

526
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,900
I wish I would have known about
the garage door thing. I just

527
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:49,000
replaced the garage door spring
myself.

528
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:52,300
Oh, did you Yeah, gotta go. How
long did it take? Great. Now,

529
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:53,800
Jake, did you go from left to
right?

530
00:28:54,819 --> 00:28:58,239
I don't know what that means.
You have to. I'd I did the I

531
00:28:58,239 --> 00:29:01,259
only got one. I don't have one
on each side, right? But I

532
00:29:01,259 --> 00:29:03,659
bought the tool to, is it good
and balanced? That's good and

533
00:29:03,659 --> 00:29:05,999
balanced? Good. Put it up there.
Hangs right there.

534
00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:09,660
Yeah. And they have their own Wi
Fi network. Now the my two where

535
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:12,780
you and it lets you know every
time you open the garage and

536
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:16,020
close the garage, which is like,
smart, smart, so smart, the

537
00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:16,500
garage

538
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,260
weighs something, so you gotta
have the spring to offset the

539
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:22,100
weight. Gotcha, the opener
doesn't pull it up. It just

540
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:22,580
guides

541
00:29:22,579 --> 00:29:23,959
it, yeah? Well,

542
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,780
if he's got problems, he knows
where to now, who to call.

543
00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:28,580
That's amazing. I don't have to
do it. That's

544
00:29:28,579 --> 00:29:31,459
right. Incredibledoors.com call
931348,

545
00:29:32,539 --> 00:29:37,099
door, nice, Jim, without in lieu
of a sponsor, we get to pimp our

546
00:29:37,099 --> 00:29:41,799
wares. So when you first moved
to Nashville, who was the first

547
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,919
artist you met? What was your
first gig of note that started

548
00:29:44,919 --> 00:29:45,819
to get the ball rolling?

549
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,220
I did a My first one was a guy
named Marty Brown for about two

550
00:29:51,220 --> 00:29:54,400
weeks. He was a songwriter,
wrote the I'm from the country,

551
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,920
I'm from the country, and played
with him for a little bit. And.

552
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,840
Then played with Matt King.
After that, he was like a quasi

553
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,260
Christian pop rock Matt king, or
was he country? Oh, he was just

554
00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:10,800
country, okay, and now he owns
his own coffee thing. He's

555
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,180
married to Heidi Newfield, okay,
yeah. They live in North

556
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:16,500
Carolina. I think. Okay,

557
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:19,800
so she moved, huh? My wife used
to massage her,

558
00:30:19,859 --> 00:30:23,059
yeah. I think they have a place
here and there. He started a

559
00:30:23,059 --> 00:30:25,579
coffee place in his hometown.
They used to live up

560
00:30:25,579 --> 00:30:28,519
in West Haven, or she did, but
maybe she was married to a

561
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:30,079
sports agent at one point.
That's

562
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,019
right, that's right. So, so I
played with him for a little

563
00:30:33,019 --> 00:30:38,779
while, and then that led into
playing with the guy named Neil

564
00:30:38,779 --> 00:30:44,499
Cody. And he was more the kind
of indie rock kind of thing. And

565
00:30:44,499 --> 00:30:47,679
did that. And then he lost his
record deal. You know, lot of

566
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:52,239
these new artists, you know how
it goes. And then after that, I

567
00:30:52,299 --> 00:30:55,479
played for a Canadian artist,
Paul Brandt. I did that for a

568
00:30:55,479 --> 00:30:59,679
couple years, year and a half,
and I juggled Sarah EVANS At the

569
00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:03,119
same time. So you spent a lot of
time in Canada with Paul, right?

570
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:07,319
Yes, yeah, but you know he would
only tour in the winter time. I

571
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:09,899
don't know why they do this, the
most freezing time of year, most

572
00:31:09,899 --> 00:31:14,219
freezing time they would, they
would tour in Canada. So it

573
00:31:14,219 --> 00:31:17,699
worked out well for me, because
the new artists, like Sarah

574
00:31:17,699 --> 00:31:21,799
EVANS At the time, was a new
artist, artist. She didn't tour

575
00:31:22,459 --> 00:31:24,859
in the winter time that much. So
it was great. I could go out

576
00:31:24,859 --> 00:31:27,859
with her and then go out with
Paul, and then go back out with

577
00:31:27,859 --> 00:31:29,959
her. And it worked.

578
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,199
Did she have that song out where
that with sucks in the bucket,

579
00:31:33,259 --> 00:31:37,099
with the drum intro, born to fly
from, uh, Matt Chamberlain,

580
00:31:37,099 --> 00:31:37,459
yeah.

581
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:42,279
Born to fly. That was just what
I actually was with her when,

582
00:31:42,339 --> 00:31:46,959
when they recorded all that, and
then when it stayed in for a

583
00:31:46,959 --> 00:31:52,839
little while after that. And
then after her, I went on to

584
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:58,239
Aaron Tippin for the time and
and then the road manager that

585
00:31:58,239 --> 00:32:08,159
used to manage, I uh, used to
manage Paul Brandt, yeah, called

586
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:11,879
me for the trace gig. And, well,
first he called me for Chris

587
00:32:11,879 --> 00:32:16,079
Cagle, and then Chris Cagle,
I've just filled in dirt

588
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,059
drummer, John Stacy. Do you know
John Stacy? You

589
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:20,400
know John Stacy? Yeah, cuz he
used to play with Mark chestnut,

590
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,100
right? I believe he lives in
Texas. Now

591
00:32:22,099 --> 00:32:25,879
he does, yeah, well, he fell or
did something and tore his

592
00:32:25,879 --> 00:32:29,419
shoulder up. So I filled in for
about three months, yeah, and

593
00:32:29,419 --> 00:32:33,559
then he called me for the trace
gig, and I got the trace gig,

594
00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:36,439
and rest is his. So it seemed
like everything was

595
00:32:36,439 --> 00:32:39,019
relationships, relationships,
personal recommendations,

596
00:32:39,019 --> 00:32:43,239
absolutely. So to get the trace
gig, no audition, no audition.

597
00:32:43,239 --> 00:32:45,819
It's basically like, hey, we'll
meet you at the bus, see at the

598
00:32:45,819 --> 00:32:50,319
Kroger, yeah, yeah. And I almost
didn't take the gig, because at

599
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:53,739
that time I had heard that he'd
been through about three or four

600
00:32:53,739 --> 00:32:58,179
or five drummers, ouch. And I
was like, I got a solid thing

601
00:32:58,179 --> 00:33:01,019
here with Aaron right now, I
don't know if I want to Yeah,

602
00:33:01,439 --> 00:33:06,779
and so Steve, the guy that that
recommended me, said I did. I

603
00:33:06,779 --> 00:33:09,419
wouldn't recommend you if I
didn't think you could do it.

604
00:33:10,199 --> 00:33:10,679
Okay,

605
00:33:11,099 --> 00:33:13,439
what was the reason why he went
through all the drummers, they

606
00:33:13,439 --> 00:33:15,059
just got better opportunities,
you

607
00:33:15,059 --> 00:33:18,719
know, I don't know. To this day,
I don't know. I never asked, and

608
00:33:18,719 --> 00:33:23,719
I went in, no rehearsal.
Basically, we met at sir, and

609
00:33:23,719 --> 00:33:27,019
all we did was kind of line
check everything real quick, and

610
00:33:27,019 --> 00:33:31,339
then packed it up. We were gone.
Went to the first gig. And first

611
00:33:31,339 --> 00:33:34,819
gig was Detroit hoedown in
Detroit, downtown hoedown in

612
00:33:34,819 --> 00:33:38,599
Detroit. Yeah. When was this? Uh
huh. What year this would have

613
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:39,139
been 2002

614
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,540
okay, so he was, he was coming
up at that point, I

615
00:33:43,540 --> 00:33:46,300
think, right, yeah. So he'd
already had some hits, yeah? He

616
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:51,040
went through some aa stuff, and
then coming back up again, yeah.

617
00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:54,820
First song, I believe, was every
light houses on and drinking

618
00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:59,500
thing, thinking, yeah. And this
time was when Chrome and I'm

619
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:02,160
trying, and those songs were
Yeah, or coming up

620
00:34:02,219 --> 00:34:05,999
is trace still doing that kind
of lady pleasing dance? That's

621
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:11,579
his thing. Aaron builds a bike.
Chris Cagle cries, and trace is

622
00:34:11,579 --> 00:34:12,299
dancing.

623
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,220
Aaron Tippin builds a bike on
stage. He does in real time. He

624
00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:20,960
does that work a man, whatever
it is, it's a stick, really,

625
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,200
yeah? Like a motorcycle, no, no,
bicycle. Like a bicycle. And he

626
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,720
donates it at the end to kids.
He

627
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:29,780
builds a like, takes it out of
the box. So here's the phrase,

628
00:34:29,780 --> 00:34:33,560
really, they pre staged, pretty
sure about this, yeah, yeah,

629
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,900
that's his thing. So he just
sits there and he's got his

630
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:37,220
tools in. He's they roll them

631
00:34:37,220 --> 00:34:39,920
out in a thing that looks like a
toolbox, and he pops out, and

632
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:47,440
then he starts building this
bike. Amazing, bro. So, yeah, so

633
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:54,940
we did this downtown, oh, down.
And I'm reading charts, and, you

634
00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:57,760
know, going through the songs,
thinking everything's going

635
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,680
good, done. We walk off the
stage. Coach, and I felt pretty

636
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,520
good about it, and we're waiting
to go back out for the encore

637
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:09,180
and trace. Looks at Steve the
road manager, and says, where'd

638
00:35:09,180 --> 00:35:14,580
you find this boy? I thought,
I'm fired. I'm fired. And he

639
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:17,880
goes, I have my ways. And he
said, as long as I got a career,

640
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,560
he's got a gig, awesome, and
I've been there ever since,

641
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:21,860
that's

642
00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:25,520
what you want to hear. Man, I
just got, I just got the chills.

643
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:25,880
I

644
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,060
have a feeling you said it in a
much deeper voice, much deeper.

645
00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:29,480
There's

646
00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:39,260
more so my trace Atkins story on
that CMT tour. You know, totally

647
00:35:39,260 --> 00:35:42,940
our bass player has got the the
hair, yeah, it takes at least an

648
00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:45,100
hour to do his hair. And it's
like, you know, you know, your

649
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:48,760
spiky, modern mess, messy
musician hair is just supposed

650
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,220
to be, you know, it's supposed
to look like, there's no effort,

651
00:35:51,220 --> 00:35:54,640
just the get out of bed, look
right? But it's very meticulous.

652
00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:59,140
So Tully is in the dressing
room. In the hall. Trace is

653
00:35:59,140 --> 00:36:03,180
walking by the open doorway. He
sees Tully in his underwear, no

654
00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:08,520
shirt, with the flat iron going
hairspray, fixing his hair, and

655
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,500
he he walks past, comes back,
looks in the room and goes,

656
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,840
Jesus Christ.

657
00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:23,300
That sounds like trace, amazing
story. And

658
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:29,000
then I have played shaker,
maracas, tambourine, hand claps,

659
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,480
finger snaps on a couple of
trace records. And the one time

660
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,920
I remember being in the studio
with him at treasure Isle, he it

661
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,480
was that weird time where there
was like that. There was that,

662
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,780
like, kid in the, in the, in the
bubble, oh, bubble. Boy, oh

663
00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:47,080
yeah, that was floating away.
Balloon. Boy, we were totally

664
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,320
glued to the television that
day. Wow. Like, in between all

665
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,220
the takes. But he's just a, he's
he strikes me as a very imposing

666
00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:56,620
figure, but it seems at the
heart of it, he's a teddy bear.

667
00:36:56,740 --> 00:36:57,100
Oh, he's

668
00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,600
a great guy. He and he's
softened over the years, you

669
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,320
know, yeah, but yeah, he's a
great guy. Treats all of us

670
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,760
very, very well, and I got
nothing but good to say about

671
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,420
him. Yeah. Now, who's in the
band now? Now we have a guy

672
00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:18,360
named Chris Hoey on bass, Brent
mccullo on keyboards. We call

673
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,840
him b Matt Brian Wooten on
guitar, yeah, great guitar

674
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,740
player. And another great guitar
player, Brent Wilson on guitar,

675
00:37:27,860 --> 00:37:30,560
who I knew from playing with
Andy Griggs. Andy Griggs, right?

676
00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:35,660
And it was funny, because when
we started, when I first started

677
00:37:35,660 --> 00:37:38,540
with trace, we did a bunch of
shows with Andy Griggs, and

678
00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:43,060
Wilson was with them, yeah, you
know. So then now he's band

679
00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:45,700
leader here, yeah. Now all the
relationships,

680
00:37:45,940 --> 00:37:49,060
all relationships. So the
majority of those gigs, they

681
00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:52,480
were non audition situations,
right? I feel like that has

682
00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:55,540
always been the way in
Nashville, yeah, it's a, it's a

683
00:37:55,540 --> 00:37:58,960
system where people want to ride
the bus with their friends,

684
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,500
people they know, they like,
they trust, because we're only

685
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:05,940
playing for the one hour a day,
right? So, well, that's amazing.

686
00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:09,960
And I love that because, you
know, Al Dean pulled me aside

687
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,100
one time and said, as long as
I'm doing this, you're playing

688
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:17,220
the drums. That's, doesn't that
feel it just feels cool,

689
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:21,440
yeah. Did you know? Well, you
guys, you came up with him from

690
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,700
the bottom, yeah. I

691
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:27,980
mean, in 2002 when you were
doing that downtown, hoe down, I

692
00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:31,760
was there with a band called
rush low, with Tim rush low. And

693
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,460
it was me Kurt and totally and,
yeah, you know it was, it was

694
00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:39,740
six piece band, which is like
two people too many. I think,

695
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,940
when it comes to a band, you
know what I mean? But we had, I

696
00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:45,340
mean, we had a great time.
Everybody was awesome. But

697
00:38:45,340 --> 00:38:46,720
that's a lot of mouths to feed,
but

698
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,740
I can't be your friend anymore.
Soft hit,

699
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:54,520
right? We got the top. We got
the 13 with that sucker. You'll

700
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,060
see

701
00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:57,820
rich at age 32 right?

702
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,460
Yeah. But age 31 age 3202

703
00:39:02,020 --> 00:39:05,040
it came out, God, to be 32
again. Oh, I'd love it. Would

704
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,240
that be amazing? I

705
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:10,020
wish I could be 32 and know what
I know now, but it's impossible.

706
00:39:10,020 --> 00:39:13,440
It's impossible. It just doesn't
work like that. My son's 3031

707
00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:19,860
Yeah, 30 what? 31 What if you
could just impart the knowledge

708
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:26,660
you have, like, not trade places
with yourself, but somehow beam

709
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:30,680
your experience and knowledge to
your 30 year old version of

710
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,060
yourself back in time.

711
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,200
That would be awesome. What
would you tell I wonder how much

712
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,620
different I'd be now. Wow, I
would just say

713
00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:45,400
one word. What's that? Bitcoin?
Yeah, right, when you hear about

714
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,540
it in 2013 just spend the $100
on it,

715
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,680
the whole thing. So now here's
the deal. I got some friends who

716
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,780
got in early on the coin, and
they got up to $2 million Wow.

717
00:39:58,780 --> 00:40:02,700
And instead of cashing. Out.
They, they kept riding that

718
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,820
wave, and it went way down,
yeah, but it's at an all time

719
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:09,240
high now. But, yeah, maybe it's
up to 3 billion for him. Did

720
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,700
they sell that? Did they sell
out? I don't know. I just

721
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,580
remember going, Oh, dude, so
close. Yeah, that's the whole

722
00:40:14,580 --> 00:40:16,860
thing with gambling. You're
like, Well, surely if we could

723
00:40:16,860 --> 00:40:18,840
do two, we can do four, right?

724
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,940
That's the thing, is that, you
know? But it's a currency, so,

725
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,480
and it's a store of value, and
you got all these countries that

726
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,320
are starting to adopt it, it's,
that's the thing, you know,

727
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:33,320
that's what I'm looking at. And
you got the, you know,

728
00:40:33,380 --> 00:40:36,380
devaluation of the dollar that's
happening, and all that stuff,

729
00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:38,720
and they're actually talking
about it becoming the next world

730
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:42,400
reserve currency, and there's
only 21 million of them. Do you

731
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,540
limited, limited

732
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:48,040
supply? Do you think that we are
going to live to see that

733
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,040
crazier things have happened? I
mean, everybody laughed when it

734
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,980
said it would get to, you know,
$50,000 what are you out of your

735
00:40:56,980 --> 00:41:00,840
mind? And then it did. And now,
you know, $100,000 you're,

736
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,480
they're talking about a hitting
400 million at some remember,

737
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,900
we were talking about nfts. Did
you ever go out and get an NFT

738
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:10,620
No, but we had, we had a guy on
that was into it, yeah, Gordon

739
00:41:10,620 --> 00:41:12,900
Campbell, that's right, yeah.
And he was, that was the first

740
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:16,140
time you and I heard about it.
We looked into it. Gary V got

741
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:18,840
behind it. He was a big
proponent of it. And he'll even

742
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,720
tell you, he's like, look, yeah,
it's at a lull right now, but

743
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,000
it's going to come roaring back.
You just watch,

744
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,560
Hey, Gary V unless he's got a
team of people, he respond. He

745
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,060
gave me, sent me a DM, really.
Gary fees, I reposted one of his

746
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:34,880
things, and it was like, it was
just something like, don't sweat

747
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,040
the small stuff. And it's all
small stuff. He wrote it on a

748
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,040
cocktail napkin, and he posted,
and I, I reposted it. It was

749
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,920
something like that, or was it's
like the most important thing

750
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,680
are the soft skills, not anybody
can learn the hard skills,

751
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,200
something like that. So I
reposted it, and then I got a DM

752
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,900
from him saying, keep pushing,
keep building. Wow, yeah. Do you

753
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:56,800
think that's him?

754
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,680
You know, he says he he. I
believe him, if it comes from

755
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,040
his account, that's him. That
came from his account. So that's

756
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,980
him. He was probably in the back
of a taxi cab, probably, and he

757
00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:11,460
just received, like this kid, a
bone. You're one of the 100,000

758
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:14,880
people that commented or
reposted, and, yeah, he just

759
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,220
grabbed yours. And, you know,
that's what he does. I mean,

760
00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:20,160
it's crazy. It's the Taylor
Swift effect. That's how he get,

761
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,580
gets his followers just very
personal involvement,

762
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,240
very personal. Yeah, so let's
brag on your son a little bit.

763
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,280
He's the Ableton expert, right?
Oh,

764
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,180
yeah. I mean, hit that kid. He
just sent me some files today.

765
00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:35,960
He goes, Dad, I just found this
new tube preamp, and you should

766
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,380
hear it on the snare drum. And,
I mean, he's all about it, yeah?

767
00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:43,420
He lives, eats and breathes
drums, but he's making a living.

768
00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:47,260
He's making a living. He plays
down on Broadway, and that's

769
00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:50,500
kind of his steady gig. He plays
there Thursday through Sunday

770
00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:53,860
with the same group of guys. So
it's not like he's hustling

771
00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:56,440
different things, different
locations, right? But the same

772
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,480
couple, yeah, a couple different
locations, and then, and then he

773
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,400
plays with a guy named Peyton
Smith, a new artist out so he

774
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,460
goes on the road with him.
They're on their way up to your

775
00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:11,760
guys's neck of the woods this
weekend, probably going to play

776
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,160
the wolf den in Mohegan Sun,
right? Something like that. No,

777
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,060
he didn't mention that, but
he's, he's going up that way,

778
00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:20,540
and, you know, he's doing great

779
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,860
or something, huh? Maybe Daryl
house, yeah,

780
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,360
holding. And then he's, uh, you
know, he's, he's got his little

781
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,720
drum room in his house, like, I
do, you know? Yeah, he used to

782
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:36,560
use mine come over and record at
my place. Yeah. And then now

783
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,860
he's got his own and, yeah,
he's, how old is he? He's 31

784
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,420
okay, you don't look old enough
to have a 31 year old, my

785
00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:49,060
friend, I'm 58 Wow, buddy, yeah.
No, you don't look it. Congrats.

786
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:53,380
Hair dye. Well, that and, you
know, just a career in music and

787
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:56,140
the car business, my goodness,
yeah, you're ahead of the game.

788
00:43:56,740 --> 00:43:56,920
Yeah,

789
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,040
big time. Somebody yesterday was
like, I said, you know, since

790
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,000
how long have you been playing
it, since 1976 and he goes,

791
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,640
what? I was like, yeah. And he
goes, What are you doing? I was

792
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,300
like, olive oil. You just gotta
have, I'll put olive oil on

793
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:10,140
everything. There

794
00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:13,200
you go, yeah, that's my salad
dressing. Yeah, that's

795
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,020
right, the best thing you could
have, yeah, yeah. And you're a

796
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:18,360
half Italian, and then
occasionally some honey mustard.

797
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,300
Mine, I got too much sugar.
Yeah, sugar. I gotta cut sugar.

798
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,020
Eat some sugar with me. I

799
00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:28,340
don't think those are the
lyrics.

800
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:31,220
How the song goes back

801
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:36,260
to this drumming thing, um, what
are some, some highlights of

802
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:40,120
your career with, um, trace
some, like, amazing venues you

803
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,640
guys have done, or tell because
you've done the all the Conan

804
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,920
O'Briens, the Jay Leno's, the
Jimmy kimmels, the Jimmy

805
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:50,260
Fallon's, Ellen New York, the
NYC live, all the award shows,

806
00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:50,680
right?

807
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,060
Yeah, man, I think one of the
coolest things is playing

808
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:59,920
Carnegie Hall. Wow. So the opry
actually did a thing at car.

809
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,200
Carnegie Hall. Oh, great. And it
was us and Vince Gill, and I

810
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,900
can't remember everybody that
was on it, but it was an Opry,

811
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,040
you know, a short Opry, but just
to play Carnegie Hall, that was

812
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,840
kind of cool. You know, my
daughter

813
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,340
sang there last February.

814
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,400
Oh, that's great. And you're a
puddle of tears. Were you not

815
00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:20,120
incredible? She could, she
couldn't care less. But you

816
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:20,600
know. Well,

817
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,480
for me growing up, you know, my
dad being a drummer, I listened

818
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,140
to Chicago a lot, and they had
Chicago live from Carnegie Hall,

819
00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:30,620
so that just stuck in my head.
And then to play my hometown of

820
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:33,260
Ventura, we played the fair.
We've done that three or four

821
00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:38,060
times, the Ventura County Fair,
yeah. So, you know, be there,

822
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:41,680
and all my friends and family be
there. That's awesome. They

823
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,280
have that mid State Fair, which
is in Paso, Robles, Apostle

824
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,800
Robles, and then you have the
California State Fair, which is

825
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,820
in Sacramento, Sacramento, and
there's another one that's in

826
00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:53,200
Pomona. I

827
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,840
forget what? Yeah, oh,
Lancaster, or Pomona somewhere

828
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,160
down there. Yeah, man. So

829
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,240
I love my California. So

830
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,840
when you guys go back and you
play like your hometown where

831
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,440
you went to high school. And you
know, did you have high school

832
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,000
crushes? I did, yeah, did you?
Did they still live there? Do

833
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,880
you know they do and did they?
Did you make sure be like, Oh

834
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,320
yeah, come on, yeah. Check me

835
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,580
out. Yeah, check me out.

836
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,780
I actually married one of my
high school crushes. Did you

837
00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:22,220
that was your Sunday? Was it
your So Sandy, well, my first

838
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:27,020
wife, we dated in high school,
and then, you know the typical,

839
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:31,040
on and off again, kind of
separate for six months, back

840
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,320
together, kind of thing,
whatever, and then got married.

841
00:46:34,820 --> 00:46:38,060
But Sandy, my wife. Now, I knew
her in high school. I knew her

842
00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:41,920
parents. Her parents were our
band boosters for the marching

843
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:48,100
band and stuff. So it's I kind
of got to know them. And so, you

844
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:52,060
know, when I went through my
divorce, I was talking to her

845
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:56,920
parents one time and and they
said, well, Sandy, could help

846
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,380
you out. She's been through an
ugly divorce, you know. And if

847
00:47:01,380 --> 00:47:04,500
you got any questions, so I did,
I reached out, and next thing

848
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:07,740
you know, it's like, Hey, she's
still cool. Did she know that

849
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:14,400
you had a crush on her? She does
now. You never told her back

850
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,300
then I liked her, and I told her
best friend that I liked her,

851
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:21,620
and did you tell her I like her?
Yeah, exactly. It was one of

852
00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:24,740
those kind of things, yeah. And
the best her friend, Shelly,

853
00:47:24,740 --> 00:47:28,640
said, You're not good enough for
and I was, I was a bad kid in

854
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,200
school. I was not a good kid,
just getting into trouble, all

855
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,760
kinds of trouble all the time,
just so I believed it. Maybe

856
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,700
that was he'll never date you.
So I never tried, yeah, yeah. So

857
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:44,080
anyway, it's

858
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,140
funny, did you have the same
thing, Richard? You have

859
00:47:47,140 --> 00:47:51,220
somebody that, I guess it would
be you left Connecticut when,

860
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:51,940
oh,

861
00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:55,120
man, yeah. So I left Connecticut
was 11.

862
00:47:55,180 --> 00:47:59,200
Okay, so basically, all of your
teenage years occurred in

863
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,640
my first kiss, and my first
girlfriend was Debbie Durham,

864
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,300
and we wear our matching police
synchronicity shirts. So cute,

865
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:06,660
yeah, but

866
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:08,700
you didn't, but I'm talking
about somebody like the

867
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:12,420
unattainable, the crush that
never reciprocated, you know.

868
00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:16,620
And now you go back to El Paso
with, you know, driving this

869
00:48:16,620 --> 00:48:17,340
power I always

870
00:48:17,340 --> 00:48:18,900
got, I always get reciprocation.

871
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:24,740
There was this one girl. There
was this one girl that I went to

872
00:48:24,740 --> 00:48:28,700
high school with that was always
like, I won't mention names,

873
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,740
right? But, uh, she always
looked down on on the people I

874
00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:37,100
hung out with, right? And then
when I went back and played the

875
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,860
Ventura fair the first time, all
of a sudden, she's my best

876
00:48:39,860 --> 00:48:44,140
friend. How do you like me now?
You know, oh, good to see you.

877
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:48,100
So proud of you. Oh, you've done
so great. And you're you want to

878
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:50,740
say something, but yeah, all you
could do is say thank you. You

879
00:48:50,740 --> 00:48:53,920
know, yeah, I mean, but you want
to say, Yeah, well, back then

880
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,120
you didn't think so. Did

881
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,920
you want to come back stage?

882
00:48:59,140 --> 00:49:01,200
Wink, wink. You want

883
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,120
to say a few words into the mic?

884
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:07,800
Damn Jim. We're gonna get like,
an X rating,

885
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:11,940
parental advisory, talking
about, you know, during sound

886
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:13,260
check. Do you want to say some
more?

887
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:16,620
Yeah? Ventura County Fair and
Carnegie Hall, yeah, yeah. Now,

888
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:20,300
have you got you have you guys
done the, I mean, you're doing a

889
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:23,060
lot of sheds, yeah. Did you guys
ever do the Hollywood Bowl?

890
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:27,320
I never have. I've never have. I
wish I could. Damn, never done

891
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,700
it. Have you done it? Well, we
did

892
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:31,700
it one time. It's way too long
ago. It is time to do it again.

893
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:34,580
Yeah, I would love and the Greek
theater. Man, that would be

894
00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:36,320
nice. I saw a lot of shows
there,

895
00:49:36,380 --> 00:49:40,040
yeah. Is that a notable place,
the Hollywood Bowl? Yeah,

896
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:40,360
because

897
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,400
the Beatles have played there
Hendricks.

898
00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:45,460
I mean, if you live in Southern
California, that's the place to

899
00:49:45,460 --> 00:49:49,600
go see somebody. Yeah, they're
that in the Greek, yeah, yeah.

900
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:52,840
The thing about the Greek is
crazy, is that that neighborhood

901
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,780
is so manicured and meticulous
and bougie, yeah, and all those

902
00:49:58,780 --> 00:50:01,920
people have to go to. Traipsing
through that neighbor. Yeah, for

903
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,740
like, it's crazy year round,
pretty much

904
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:06,360
have a hellish, hate Hoa,
hellish.

905
00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:12,960
Totally, totally. So what any
other funny, funny stories from

906
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,060
about 17 years with trace? Uh,

907
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,840
not that I could tell on here.
Yeah. I mean, what you know,

908
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,860
does he have you over for
barbecues and hangs and stuff,

909
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,360
really. Oh,

910
00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:28,040
he's pretty private in that,
yeah. But, you know, where does

911
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,820
he live, huh? Where's he live?
He lives

912
00:50:33,140 --> 00:50:33,980
that way, 444,

913
00:50:36,020 --> 00:50:39,680
yeah. He doesn't live far from
here, really. You know, a lot of

914
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,540
them are around here now, yeah,
he used to be in Brentwood, and

915
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,700
then part of it now, he's
outside of Nashville, south.

916
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,720
Yeah, so, but yeah. I mean, it's
great. We all cut up and give

917
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,120
each other a hard time. Yeah,
you'd think we hate each other

918
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,880
the way we give each other, you
know? You know, yeah, but at the

919
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,100
same time, we all got each
other's back.

920
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,700
Johnny Rabb had a story about
him.

921
00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:08,220
Yeah, I was, I think he was, I
think he was playing, Johnny was

922
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:13,740
playing with Tanya Tucker. Tanya
Tucker, and I think trace was

923
00:51:13,740 --> 00:51:16,860
opening for her, or something.
They were playing together,

924
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,160
yeah, and the band was just kind
of left hanging because she

925
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,820
wasn't there. And trace kind of
came in and said, look, let's

926
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:30,020
just entertain the crowd. And
you know, you let's just, you

927
00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:32,540
know, you guys know that they
were just completely riffing,

928
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:37,160
wow, just to make sure the crowd
was entertained, yeah? And trace

929
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,920
was like he was just kind of
lending himself as a leader of

930
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,760
the band, yeah, kind of bailing
those guys out. So

931
00:51:42,820 --> 00:51:45,220
Johnny's been with collective
soul a long time now. Yeah,

932
00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:48,220
crazy. Yeah, that's a good
that's a good game. Remember him

933
00:51:48,220 --> 00:51:50,740
telling me about that? It's a
great song book. And then look

934
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,980
at some of these companies you,
you're with Ludwig. I remember

935
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:59,440
that pasty innovative, yeah, but
I don't remember you being with

936
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,200
pasty. It's a newer thing,
right? I've

937
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,820
been with them 10 years or so
now, nice. Yeah, I was with

938
00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:14,160
Sabian, yeah, Dave McAfee, you
know, I just grew up listening

939
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,420
to Bonham and that, that sound
of those 2000 twos and stuff,

940
00:52:18,540 --> 00:52:21,620
kind of just stuck in my head.
So when I got the opportunity to

941
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,420
to do that, I went that route.
They're there. They've been

942
00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:27,140
great to me. Do you

943
00:52:27,140 --> 00:52:30,140
go with those kind of like that,
those kind of, like rock

944
00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:33,200
symbols, or do you go like, dark
energy, darker stuff?

945
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,740
Yeah, I got some darker stuff.
But live, but I use 2002

946
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,860
crashes, nice, signature ride.
Are you still a rack guy? I

947
00:52:41,860 --> 00:52:44,980
still got a rack like the racks,
yeah, yeah. It makes it easy on

948
00:52:44,980 --> 00:52:48,400
my drum tech. I'm a big rack
guy, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah,

949
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:54,520
Rex, who's your tech guy named
Tim Thurber, great guy, good

950
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,780
drummer, you know, and he does a
great job for me. Yeah? Changes

951
00:52:58,780 --> 00:53:02,280
heads. Does everything. Did you
hire him? No trace hired him.

952
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:08,160
Yeah, and he came in. The guy
before that was a guy named Matt

953
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,600
Sawyer, and Matt's still with
the organization, but he's he,

954
00:53:12,780 --> 00:53:15,780
he's kind of like an assistant
to the road manager. Now, gotcha

955
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,720
so. But yeah, Tim takes good
care of me, man. He He knows how

956
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:23,240
I like the tunes and yeah, all
that, I

957
00:53:23,420 --> 00:53:26,360
hardly have to. Isn't that nice?
Just now, do you guys, are you a

958
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,700
sound check band, or are you at
a point in your career where

959
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:30,140
we're just like, I'll see you at
the gig? You

960
00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:32,120
guys don't know we sound check.
That's nice. Yeah, we sound

961
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,980
check mainly for the front of
house guy, yeah, you know. So

962
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,720
our ear mix has always sounded
great, yeah? I hardly ask for

963
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:44,020
anything. You know, you get to
that point like, like, where you

964
00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:47,020
don't even have to, every once a
while, trace is singing a little

965
00:53:47,020 --> 00:53:49,600
softer, maybe his throats
hurting him, or something. I

966
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,560
might point and yeah. Other than
that, never have to set it and

967
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,920
forget it, yeah, which is great,
yeah, yeah. I couldn't go back

968
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,500
to wedges. So spoiled. Yeah. I
remember the first time I used

969
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:03,000
years was 2000 with Pam Tillis
at the Strawberry Festival in

970
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,300
Plant City, Florida, wow. And we
had to stick those little foam

971
00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:08,520
things in our ear. And I was
like, Oh my God. What if this

972
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,200
fills up with sweat and then,
and it

973
00:54:11,220 --> 00:54:14,460
was like a heavy click gig, and
they just get used to it. Yeah,

974
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:15,300
you know, yeah,

975
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:20,160
yeah. No, I love it. I couldn't
imagine doing a gig on wedges

976
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,000
anymore, yeah? Like, when I do
the Opry, I don't put the cans

977
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,160
on, I put, I put a earbud in
with the click, and run it off

978
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,500
my iPad, yeah, and then, so, you
know, but they blast it there,

979
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:37,100
back there, so it's like, okay,
yeah, that's the only time I

980
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:40,340
hear A wedge mix anymore. The,

981
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,600
I'm not sure if, if he still is,
but being that you mentioned

982
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,280
Bonham and how you're kind of
big heisty fan. Have you read

983
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,060
Alex's book, brothers? I haven't
yet. I want actually right

984
00:54:55,060 --> 00:54:58,000
behind you on the shelf. Okay,
yeah, listen to it. I'll read it

985
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,900
real quick. Yeah, what's that?
Oh. Read it real quick, do a

986
00:55:01,020 --> 00:55:02,760
good book report at the end of
the show.

987
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,100
Did you read it or listen to it?
I listen. I have to listen to

988
00:55:05,580 --> 00:55:08,400
like, audible. Yeah. Do you have
an audible subscription?

989
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,960
I could share it with you. No,
it's good. No, yeah. You know

990
00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:16,620
it's a good book. Yeah. I'm
wondering if he still uses I

991
00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:20,300
don't know if he ever used ears,
because I remember him talking

992
00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:23,120
about Alex Van Halen, talking
about at the beginning of,

993
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,820
beginning of a tour, his wedge
would be on, like, two or three,

994
00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:28,100
and by the end it would be up to
10. Yeah, I

995
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:30,560
don't think he's an ear guy. I
don't think so. I don't think

996
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,860
all those guys were wide open on
the wedges. Yeah,

997
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,920
you know, I was about 10 feet
away when they played on

998
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,740
Hollywood Boulevard and Dave got
knocked in the nose and was

999
00:55:39,740 --> 00:55:42,700
bleeding on national television.
You there? I was 10 feet away

1000
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:45,640
from that scene, really? Yeah,
they closed down Hollywood

1001
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,320
Boulevard, right in front of the
jar deli, chocolate and and the

1002
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,680
and Jimmy Kimmel's Theater,
which is the, what is that

1003
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:54,220
theater

1004
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,520
anyways, right there. So
basically, you, you saw the

1005
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,440
whole performance and
everything. Oh, yeah, that must

1006
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,160
have been amazing. Incredible.
Yeah, nuts.

1007
00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:06,540
I saw them on their fair warning
tour. Oh, wow, yeah, the forum,

1008
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:07,620
yeah,

1009
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,440
that was the back where they
they weren't touring with Black

1010
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,560
Sabbath. Then was it this? Or
were they headlining? That have

1011
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,100
been they were headlining, yeah,
yeah. I mean, was this legend

1012
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:20,540
hold true? I mean, in terms of
the stuff you'd hear about him.

1013
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:23,600
They were just a band, a force
to be reckoned with.

1014
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,680
They sounded so good. They
sounded so and it was loud,

1015
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,360
yeah, loved it. And just, you
know, and what impressed me most

1016
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,720
was Eddie Van Halen did his
guitar solo, you know, doing his

1017
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:39,380
solo. And he's running around,
you know, and doing the whole

1018
00:56:39,380 --> 00:56:42,880
whammy bar thing, accurate as
hell doing it. And then he turns

1019
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:48,280
down the volume and plays an
open G clean, and his guitar is

1020
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,240
in perfect tune. Yeah. I'm like,
I mean, he's basically shaken

1021
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,540
the guitar by that thing. It
just blew me away. He never used

1022
00:56:55,540 --> 00:56:58,900
distortion boxes or pedals or
anything. I was his aunt, yeah,

1023
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:01,800
straight to his aunt. He was
just, and that's, I think it was

1024
00:57:02,820 --> 00:57:06,360
the singer from Smashing
Pumpkins, yeah? Billy Corgan,

1025
00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:11,160
yeah. He had an opportunity to
play his guitar, and he says,

1026
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,800
You don't use any, you know,
pedals or anything. He goes,

1027
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,160
nope. He goes, it blew his mind.
He's like, how do you get the

1028
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,180
sound? Yeah,

1029
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,320
it blows. It blew me. They blew
me away. David Lee Roth was

1030
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,740
ultimate, ultimate front man.
Front man, yeah, you know he's,

1031
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,520
he was, he was an actor. He was,
he wasn't really a singer and

1032
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,400
a and a martial artist, the
kicks

1033
00:57:32,660 --> 00:57:35,300
off the drum riser with the
splits and all this stuff. Oh

1034
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:39,500
yeah, you know he I like both
van Hey. I like Van Hagar. I

1035
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:42,880
like Van Halen. I like both
equally. I don't, I don't really

1036
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,600
have a preference, but, you
know, one had more swagger, one

1037
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,260
had a little more attitude and
drive, yeah, and more pop, you

1038
00:57:50,260 --> 00:57:51,640
know, melodies. And that

1039
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:52,900
first song off of 5150,

1040
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,840
good enough. Yeah, hello, baby.

1041
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,880
That was like a big middle
finger to Dave. Well,

1042
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:10,920
you know what the funny thing
is? Is like, sadly, Dave, if

1043
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,100
they did a reunion, which is
impossible now, but if they did

1044
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:19,320
a reunion, Sammy could sing
Dave's stuff. He could Dave.

1045
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,920
Dave cannot sing Dave. Dave
can't do it.

1046
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:25,040
Well, we I saw them over the
summer when they came to

1047
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,720
Nashville. Sammy did the best of
both worlds tour, and it was

1048
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:34,820
very good. That was the second
show that Kenny Aronoff sat in.

1049
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,880
Oh, wow. Because they had to,
you know, Jason Bonham had to

1050
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,460
go. His mom got sick, yeah. And
then they called Kenny, and he

1051
00:58:42,460 --> 00:58:44,920
learned the whole show in a day,
24

1052
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:47,080
hours, stuck it on his iPad. My

1053
00:58:47,140 --> 00:58:49,840
brother was there at that show,
said, Kenny killed it. He

1054
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,760
crushed it, said he did it.
There were a couple of

1055
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,760
moments where he messed up,
where I was like, Oh, wow, okay,

1056
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,100
you know, that was one of those
moments. But you're like, you

1057
00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:58,060
know, it's

1058
00:58:58,060 --> 00:58:59,080
then you just do this.

1059
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,860
Yeah, so trash can ending,

1060
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,060
yeah, but it's, it's a great
book. It really kind of opens

1061
00:59:09,060 --> 00:59:11,460
your eyes, and it made me give
it gave me a whole new

1062
00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:15,240
appreciation for the 1984 album,
because that's the album that

1063
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,180
got me in the music, like
everybody has, that moment that

1064
00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:21,660
you break off from your WHY DID
YOU SAY

1065
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:25,100
me and you, that was a catalyst
1984 in synchronicity. That's

1066
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:26,240
right, yeah, yeah, there was

1067
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,260
synchronicity in 1984 both. So
that was the first album that

1068
00:59:30,260 --> 00:59:35,180
basically introduced me to my
music that I liked, and broke

1069
00:59:35,180 --> 00:59:39,020
off from what was my parents
music, right? And to hear the

1070
00:59:39,020 --> 00:59:43,060
stories that album almost didn't
happen, really, like Ted

1071
00:59:43,060 --> 00:59:47,320
Templeman was like producer in
name only it was Don Landy and

1072
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,080
Eddie, Ed Van Halen, apparently
he didn't like being called

1073
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:57,460
Eddie. Okay, that's Edward or
Ed. And the 5150 studio came to

1074
00:59:57,460 --> 00:59:59,920
be because of that album. Wow,
because he was trying to fly.

1075
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,700
Under the radar of Warner
Brothers. He wanted to do

1076
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,240
keyboard heavy songs, piano
heavy songs. That's how jump was

1077
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,360
born, and stuff like that. And
Ted Templeman heard, I guess,

1078
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,880
the demo of jump. He says, This
sounds like a baseball stadium

1079
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,420
song, right? This is not a hit,
yeah. And it was their biggest

1080
01:00:15,420 --> 01:00:16,320
hit ever. Ouch.

1081
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,320
My first encounter with with Van
Halen was running with the

1082
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:24,500
devil, and I remember, got that
album, took it home, put the

1083
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:30,080
needle down, and that started
off in that, yeah,

1084
01:00:30,740 --> 01:00:32,360
just like,

1085
01:00:32,540 --> 01:00:36,080
Man, that is turn it to 11. And
how

1086
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,800
about Michael? He's seriously
underrated. Oh, seriously

1087
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,260
underrated, glue, yeah,

1088
01:00:41,260 --> 01:00:43,000
man, he really has high voice.

1089
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,360
Oh, yeah. I always thought that
was Ed, yeah, singing those

1090
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,380
parts, I did too back

1091
01:00:47,380 --> 01:00:50,440
then. But, uh, and you know,
back then you didn't have

1092
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:56,320
YouTube, right? So no videos, no
even MTV and all that stuff

1093
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,920
wasn't out. So the stuff Eddie
was playing, you're like, What

1094
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,680
is this guy doing right?

1095
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,340
Isn't it strange, also, how
massive it sounds, and you don't

1096
01:01:05,340 --> 01:01:08,760
even think twice about it, but
with no rhythm guitar player in

1097
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,580
the band, when they go to the
guitar solo, it's just bass

1098
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,060
drop exactly right? And that
nuts. And Anthony just holding

1099
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:15,480
it down.

1100
01:01:15,540 --> 01:01:19,080
Yeah? I mean, he's got to make
the changes. Yeah. He misses the

1101
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,140
changes. That's not good, yeah?
But

1102
01:01:21,140 --> 01:01:24,500
the funny thing is, is that here
we are a group of three drummers

1103
01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:27,560
sharing our like we all
understand we're not guitar

1104
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,000
players. You know, with some of
us may understand the nuances of

1105
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,140
playing the guitar, but not like
a guitar player knows. We all

1106
01:01:36,140 --> 01:01:39,140
have an immense appreciation for
Eddie Van Halen. Oh, absolutely.

1107
01:01:39,140 --> 01:01:41,740
You know what I mean, 100%
there's no other there's no

1108
01:01:41,740 --> 01:01:44,320
other guitar player that I can
think of that you have that kind

1109
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,960
of appreciation for. And then
the only way I could chalk it up

1110
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,600
to is the fact that when he
picked up that guitar was like

1111
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,180
an organ, it was like a part of
his body. Yeah, the I feel

1112
01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:57,220
like the only other guitar play
that transcends the instrument

1113
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,300
to where you're like that
doesn't sound like any other

1114
01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:01,620
musical instrument in the

1115
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,640
world, Steve. I agree, yeah. I
mean, Steve, I and he's not

1116
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,540
as he's not as popular. He's not
a household name like Edward,

1117
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,800
right? But every time I see him
play, I noticed, I know there's

1118
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,440
a lot of processing. I know
there's there's pedals involved.

1119
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:20,040
It, it sounds like an alien.

1120
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,720
I agree device, I agree and, but
would there be a Steve Vai

1121
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,340
without Eddie Van Halen? No,

1122
01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:28,760
but that's the other thing. Is
that Steve Vai, and I get what

1123
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,120
you're saying, that the thing
that I sent you today, what they

1124
01:02:32,180 --> 01:02:35,720
what those guys are saying about
you. Oh, yeah. Is that there are

1125
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,260
drummers and then there that
played the drums like they're

1126
01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:41,920
the drums. Then there are
drummers who play it like

1127
01:02:41,980 --> 01:02:46,660
musically, right? They find
themselves in the song. That's

1128
01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:49,180
maybe the appreciation for Ed
that we all

1129
01:02:49,180 --> 01:02:51,580
had, yeah, yeah, because he
played for the song. I mean,

1130
01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:54,760
yeah, he did these ripping
solos, but, I mean, listen to

1131
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,700
those rifts, right? You know,
and his rhythm guitar playing

1132
01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:59,260
was amazing, yeah,

1133
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,640
you know, his appreciation for
finding what else the guitar

1134
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,940
could do. Yeah, was, it was just
something off the charts. You

1135
01:03:05,940 --> 01:03:08,700
know, I always appreciated him,
and I didn't know why my brother

1136
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:10,980
too. He's my brother's a
keyboard player, right? Piano

1137
01:03:10,980 --> 01:03:15,060
player. And when he was visiting
here in early October, we were

1138
01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:17,580
hanging out in my backyard, he's
like, put the video for hot for

1139
01:03:17,580 --> 01:03:20,660
teacher on. So we watched the
hot for teacher video, and both

1140
01:03:20,660 --> 01:03:23,840
of us, when Eddie gets up on the
library tables and he does the

1141
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,020
guitar solo, both of us were,
like, leaned in, yeah, because

1142
01:03:27,020 --> 01:03:29,960
it's like, did you like that
part too? Because we found out

1143
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,140
in that podcast. I did a podcast
episode on my podcast with him,

1144
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,200
and we found out so much about
each other after 50 some odd

1145
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:41,620
years of being brothers. And it
was, you know, it's like, I like

1146
01:03:41,620 --> 01:03:44,020
that part. Did you like that
part, too? Back in the day, when

1147
01:03:44,020 --> 01:03:46,540
it came on MTV, he's like, I
love this part, but he's just in

1148
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:48,640
the, you know, mug into the
camera and everything. I'm like,

1149
01:03:48,700 --> 01:03:51,160
that was the best part of the
video. Okay, you know, except

1150
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,640
for the beginning, like, sit
down Waldo. I mean, that's

1151
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,000
drumming is just so good. Oh
man. You know, just the

1152
01:04:00,220 --> 01:04:03,360
guys that look past Alex Van
Halen are missing it,

1153
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,560
but I think as of late, he's
gotten a lot more I agree. You

1154
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:07,740
know,

1155
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,040
his timing was wonky, his stuff
was but you know what? It was

1156
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,400
goose. But his parts were just
commitment

1157
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,520
to the performance. And he
played with his brother like

1158
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,200
they were just, hey, he wouldn't

1159
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,760
play with anybody else, right? I
think that's why did you look at

1160
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,320
any of the stuff he auctioned
off?

1161
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,380
I looked through it wishing I
could buy it. I'd have to sell

1162
01:04:27,380 --> 01:04:31,880
my house, right? You know, buy a
drum set. The acrylic is coming

1163
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:36,980
for me. I'm so excited that LP
Latin percussion, which is

1164
01:04:36,980 --> 01:04:42,940
celebrating 60 years Alex played
LP percussion, and so they're

1165
01:04:42,940 --> 01:04:50,500
releasing a limited edition Alex
Van Halen cowbell that I'm gonna

1166
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:54,100
take on tour this year. Yeah,
really, yeah. That should do a

1167
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:56,980
little endorsement video. It
should be rifing at drum

1168
01:04:56,980 --> 01:04:59,920
paradise. Harry, be on the
lookout for my Alex van.

1169
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,560
Inhaling tribute.

1170
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,400
You ever try his sticks? The
Vader sticks are locked. Oh,

1171
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,300
they're like, 18 inches, are
they really? Yeah, and he had

1172
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:12,480
the, he's not a big guy, right?
But he could wield those things

1173
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,280
like they were, you know? They
were, like, playing with

1174
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,380
baseball bats, yeah? Like,

1175
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,800
dude, I love it. Um, now what?
Speaking of rock and roll, you

1176
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,180
got a project called the brave I
do now, I was looking for you

1177
01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:26,060
guys on Spotify. I couldn't, is
it? Is it on

1178
01:05:26,060 --> 01:05:30,200
there? There? Yeah, there. And
Apple Music, okay, all that. So

1179
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,220
it was a group of guys I played
with in late 80s, early 90s, in

1180
01:05:34,460 --> 01:05:38,000
California, you got the band
back together. What's that? You

1181
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,920
got the band back together,
yeah, got the band back

1182
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,840
together. And we all live in
different parts of country. The

1183
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:48,520
singer, guitar player lives in
California, the bass player

1184
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:53,140
lives in Indiana, and I live
here. Yeah, so we just shot

1185
01:05:53,140 --> 01:05:57,220
files around the country and
made our record, yeah, and it's

1186
01:05:57,220 --> 01:06:00,960
great, and JR McNeely mixed it.
Okay, great. Mixed all three of

1187
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,080
them. Nice, yeah, it's a fun
project. You know, we're never

1188
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,500
going to tour. How many tracks
there's? There's three albums

1189
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:10,920
worth, three albums, yeah? So
there's like 30 some songs

1190
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:11,820
there, okay, yeah,

1191
01:06:11,820 --> 01:06:15,060
all right. Man, yeah. Everyone
checked out the brave on Apple

1192
01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:19,140
Music and Spotify. Gotta check
that out. Man, yeah, fantastic.

1193
01:06:19,140 --> 01:06:23,240
Um, geez, Jim, do we want to
maybe do the Fast Five? Go

1194
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,700
ahead, and then I'll let you do
your favorite question. As you

1195
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:28,460
guys, thank you for allowing me.
Okay, favorite

1196
01:06:28,460 --> 01:06:32,180
food? Mexican food. Yes, spicy.
What's your

1197
01:06:32,180 --> 01:06:34,400
favorite restaurant here you're
in Spring Hill, Mexico.

1198
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:39,560
It depends for what? Well, we've
got alcohol, Mexican Yeah, yeah,

1199
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:44,140
we've got Acapulco. We've got
Don Arturo. Don Arturo Tito's.

1200
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,280
Yeah, you got another one that's
opening right in front of all

1201
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,080
across from the L something.

1202
01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:50,560
Yeah,

1203
01:06:50,740 --> 01:06:55,480
right for tacos, street tacos. I
like La Via over there by the

1204
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,060
Grecian, right, right, right,
right. If you just want good

1205
01:06:58,060 --> 01:07:00,960
street tacos, really, that's
they have street corn there too.

1206
01:07:01,620 --> 01:07:04,200
Sometimes they do. I've been in
there once. I need to go back.

1207
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,840
La Via, it's by the Greek
restaurant and that strip mall

1208
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,420
behind the mission over there.
Yeah, kind of Yeah, great. And

1209
01:07:09,420 --> 01:07:09,600
then

1210
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,260
there's a place we just went
last night, my wife and I went

1211
01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:16,200
to Tito's, and they got this
thing called Mexican plate

1212
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,520
that's really great. But there's
a new place called mix. I want

1213
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,440
to say it's Mexican. Mexicali,
but I know I'm not right on

1214
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,820
that. And it's down there. Do
you know where embers is Bar and

1215
01:07:28,820 --> 01:07:33,560
Grill? If you go down 31 towards
Columbia, there's a

1216
01:07:35,180 --> 01:07:36,920
in the upper set. Yeah.

1217
01:07:36,980 --> 01:07:39,800
Okay, so it's right there. It's
a new place. Used to be a

1218
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,460
furniture store, right? Yeah,
I've eaten there, yeah, and

1219
01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:45,220
they're pretty good. My business
partner, uh, invited us out

1220
01:07:45,220 --> 01:07:47,620
there once. It's hard, coming
from Southern California. Oh, I

1221
01:07:47,620 --> 01:07:51,100
bet, Hey, I found a place that's
next to Publix. Cali burrito. I

1222
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:53,980
Cali burrito. I've been there
twice, dude, Cali burritos.

1223
01:07:53,980 --> 01:07:55,660
Tacos are great. Okay, so

1224
01:07:55,660 --> 01:07:58,120
I've only had the chicken
burrito because it's, I like, a

1225
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:03,000
basic burrito. It's chicken Pico
and guac. Oh, there you go,

1226
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,000
dude. Yeah, dude, try it with
their Alpha store.

1227
01:08:06,180 --> 01:08:09,120
Oh, yeah, okay, or even the
California burrito.

1228
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,500
Yeah, that's good too. Yeah.

1229
01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:11,940
So you're saying go with the

1230
01:08:12,420 --> 01:08:15,240
tacos, yeah? And Adrian, the guy
that owns this great guy, and

1231
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:16,380
they have breakfast tacos

1232
01:08:16,380 --> 01:08:19,380
too, which I'm a big fan of.
Yeah, I love the Spring Hill

1233
01:08:19,380 --> 01:08:20,600
aspect of this episode. I

1234
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,000
know. I'm telling you we were
all spring aliens. Now I'm

1235
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:23,900
celebrating it.

1236
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,400
And there's such character to
this town that is somewhere.

1237
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:28,820
It's what

1238
01:08:30,260 --> 01:08:34,400
the we're finding it. I went to
the for a coffee shop, for a non

1239
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,980
corporate coffee shop. I went to
the fainting goat.

1240
01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:43,539
Yeah, love it. There's actually,
oh, it's a good, good new place,

1241
01:08:43,659 --> 01:08:47,559
but we got to make sure we tag
him in this Bruno's Deli. Oh,

1242
01:08:47,559 --> 01:08:52,719
really, Neapolis, it's where
boomers used to be, okay, yeah,

1243
01:08:52,719 --> 01:08:56,799
the music store using, yeah,
yeah, way even, Wayne back,

1244
01:08:56,859 --> 01:09:02,579
Italian deli. Buddy, Brunos.
Well, Brunos, Brunos cannolis.

1245
01:09:02,579 --> 01:09:06,239
They got the black and white
cookies. They've got chicken

1246
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:08,339
parm, eggplant sandwiches, all

1247
01:09:08,340 --> 01:09:12,180
the stuff. And so, as the owner,
like, from out of town, from

1248
01:09:12,179 --> 01:09:16,079
California, Okay, gotcha. But
he's, he's FBI, full blood

1249
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:16,559
Italian.

1250
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:22,040
You never heard that. I have
never heard that, probably

1251
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:28,040
because I'm only half but, you
know, it's a strong gene. So

1252
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:30,740
speaking of coffee and the
fainting goat, favorite drink,

1253
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,280
bourbon. Bourbon, nice

1254
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,180
in particular, my,

1255
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,960
my, if I had to pick like an
everyday that's affordable.

1256
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,360
Because, you know, Bourbon could
get expensive, sure, but I'm not

1257
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,480
a bourbon snob, so it doesn't
matter to me, but I like wood

1258
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:50,200
for double oaked. Yeah, yeah,
nice. That's a good go to

1259
01:09:50,740 --> 01:09:54,400
everyday drink. There's another
one called 1792 that's a cheaper

1260
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,640
bottle, but it's pretty good.
Yeah, yeah. Are you a bourbon

1261
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:57,880
guy

1262
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,720
or whiskey guy? Totally. Are
you? Yeah? Is it bourbon or

1263
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,180
whiskey? Kind of the same? It's
kind of the same. Yeah,

1264
01:10:03,180 --> 01:10:07,140
it's when you get into the rye,
yeah, that it's different. Okay?

1265
01:10:07,140 --> 01:10:07,320
And

1266
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,140
I'm not a rye or a weak guy. I
like the good. Just give me

1267
01:10:10,140 --> 01:10:11,760
straight bourbon or whiskey.
Let's

1268
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,040
not mess with the thing. It's
like, it's like, you know,

1269
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:18,540
everybody knows that our band in
the early days was a we Crown

1270
01:10:18,540 --> 01:10:21,320
Royal, right? It just seems like
to be a thing in country music.

1271
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:26,360
But once you start doing crown,
Apple, Crown cranberry, it's

1272
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,940
like, come on, it's sweet
enough. Yeah? You know,

1273
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:31,820
I can't even do an old
fashioned, like some people

1274
01:10:31,820 --> 01:10:34,460
order an old fashioned. It's
like, yeah, I don't need the

1275
01:10:34,460 --> 01:10:36,920
syrup. Yeah, I'll give that to
my wife. Yeah, we

1276
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,120
kind of did like, a win in Rome.
We went to Disney World in

1277
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:44,440
Florida in 2016 for the first
time with our family. And it was

1278
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,020
the first time living with a
little bit of margin, getting

1279
01:10:47,020 --> 01:10:49,840
out of radio in the car
business. I was doing my own

1280
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,020
thing, and we were able to turn
a one week vacation into a two

1281
01:10:53,020 --> 01:10:56,320
week vacation. And while we were
down there, just to kind of be

1282
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,300
like I said, When in Rome, at
least what we thought Rome, we

1283
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:03,720
bought Kenny Chesney's blue
chair rum, and I think it was

1284
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,420
the vanilla, and then we'd have
rum and cokes instead of beer

1285
01:11:06,420 --> 01:11:09,360
and wine that we'd normally
drink. Yeah, it's a different

1286
01:11:09,540 --> 01:11:15,180
kind of drunk. Oh, it's so
caloric, and it's just, I mean,

1287
01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:17,460
after about three of them,
you're like, What's my name?

1288
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:18,060
Yeah,

1289
01:11:18,180 --> 01:11:23,480
in 2015 when we were doing the
Chesney thing. At the end of the

1290
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:26,000
night, I'd come out and play two
songs to back him up, and then

1291
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,400
his drummer would come out and
do it was like a four song

1292
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,240
encore, but Kenny would come and
just like, just be covering us

1293
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:37,100
in rum, right? Sticky. It was
all over his drums and stuff.

1294
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:38,780
And I was just in the dog house.
Man,

1295
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,180
that's horrible. Yeah, why were
you in a dog house? It

1296
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:46,840
just, I mean, I'm like, I'm easy
to blame. You know, you didn't

1297
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,180
do anything well. I mean, I know
what. He wouldn't wait till, no,

1298
01:11:49,180 --> 01:11:51,760
no, Kenny, don't pour rum all
over me.

1299
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,920
Well, the tech is just sitting
there, just looking at it,

1300
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,240
going, really,

1301
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:01,920
totally, what favorite color
black do you and I so, yeah, I

1302
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,200
gotta figure out something here,
because it's definitely

1303
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,080
happening here. Yeah, yeah,
that's okay. I look like a black

1304
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,780
and white cookie. You look like
you got the salt, and I look

1305
01:12:09,780 --> 01:12:13,140
like a tan black and white
cookie. Now these next two

1306
01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:16,620
questions, Jim hates because
they're so hard. But do you

1307
01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:18,240
would you have a favorite song?

1308
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:25,280
Yeah, I had, I could, can I say
two real fast? Yeah? First one

1309
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:30,140
would be the ocean Zeplin, yeah?
Because every time I hear it, it

1310
01:12:30,140 --> 01:12:34,640
takes me back to my dad cranking
that song, yeah, when I was a

1311
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,940
kid. So that song that, whenever
it comes on, it's like, turn it

1312
01:12:37,940 --> 01:12:42,280
up. And then the other one for
me would be dog man by King X,

1313
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,120
yes, wow. God, that is one of my
faves. Dude,

1314
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,000
the singing just

1315
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,080
lays it down.

1316
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,880
Yeah.

1317
01:12:57,940 --> 01:13:01,800
Jerry Gaskell, highly
underrated, amazing musician,

1318
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:07,260
amazing team player, band. Guy,
yeah, that, to me, is their

1319
01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:09,540
ultimate record.

1320
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,500
I agree. I agree that song
shoes, I need to listen to it.

1321
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,620
Oh, man, do do your years a
favor. Dog.

1322
01:13:16,620 --> 01:13:20,160
Man, another three piece band,
yes. So when the guitar solo

1323
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:20,780
happens,

1324
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:25,940
yeah? He switches that distorted
kind of bass sound and just

1325
01:13:25,940 --> 01:13:28,700
kills it. Yeah? I saw them at
the Brooklyn Bowl.

1326
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:31,940
They still sound great. I saw

1327
01:13:31,940 --> 01:13:35,900
him at 328 performance hall back
in the day. Remember that place?

1328
01:13:35,900 --> 01:13:39,200
It's gone. It's way gone. Yeah,
favorite movie

1329
01:13:40,220 --> 01:13:44,080
two, again, serious movie. I
love this, yeah, serious movie,

1330
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:48,760
anything I love Gran Torino
mcclinx Wood, nice. Get off

1331
01:13:49,060 --> 01:13:52,840
grumpy, yeah, the grumpy old man
that ends up giving everything

1332
01:13:52,900 --> 01:13:56,380
to the people he started out
hating. Yeah. And spoiler alert,

1333
01:13:56,380 --> 01:14:02,820
if you haven't seen that movie,
right? And then, and then, funny

1334
01:14:02,820 --> 01:14:05,280
movie, Step Brothers. Oh,
fantastic.

1335
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,680
Good Wolf. Did you touch my
drums? Yeah,

1336
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,240
yeah, yeah. What's your

1337
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,540
favorite song of the moment?
Rich. Oh, currently,

1338
01:14:16,260 --> 01:14:20,220
man, I have my guilty pleasures
playlist. It's so funny. Let me

1339
01:14:20,220 --> 01:14:21,440
go through some of these. But
some,

1340
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:24,020
sometimes you have a share some
of these, like you have, you

1341
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:27,800
know, current favorite songs,
yeah, you know, I guess mine

1342
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,320
would be my go to I've been,
like I said, I've been listening

1343
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:34,160
to a lot of Van Halen, 1984 I
have a renewed appreciation for

1344
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,280
Girl Gone Bad. Yeah? So if you
listen to that song the

1345
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,920
beginning, that's an underrated
song. Yeah, there's so much

1346
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,500
going on. You know, if he's
doing that with one hand or two,

1347
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:53,320
I'm sure you know, and he's
blank, yeah,

1348
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,480
you know, everyone got.

1349
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,460
So check this out. So this could
be play. This could be a

1350
01:15:02,460 --> 01:15:05,280
playlist that the spasmatics
could play. There's, there's a

1351
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,500
band in Nashville called the
guilty pleasures. And they, you

1352
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:09,780
know, they play a couple times a
year at third and lensley. But

1353
01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:12,300
these are just, and I know you
guys, it's gonna resonate with

1354
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:16,140
you, because Rob, similar age
escape the piano, the pina

1355
01:15:16,140 --> 01:15:19,560
colada song by Rupert home. Uh
huh. Love it. That's Steve shot

1356
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,300
rock. That's Steve Jordan. Now,
is it really? He's two drummers

1357
01:15:23,300 --> 01:15:26,300
on that track, but a very young
Steve Jordan is one of the

1358
01:15:26,300 --> 01:15:26,900
drummers. Wow.

1359
01:15:26,900 --> 01:15:28,040
How does it come

1360
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:33,920
in? No, no heads on the bottom.
Toms sailing. Christopher cross,

1361
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,100
lot of space. Perfect drum
track. Runaway current list,

1362
01:15:37,220 --> 01:15:40,340
yeah, this is runaway train. So
asylum, missing you. John Wayne,

1363
01:15:40,340 --> 01:15:43,480
lonely all night. John
Mellencamp, Betty Davis, eyes.

1364
01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:46,420
Kim Karns, Sunday, Bloody
Sunday. You too. In a big

1365
01:15:46,420 --> 01:15:49,480
country, big country. Girls Just
Want to Have Fun. Cindy Lauper,

1366
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,960
you make me feel like dancing.
By Leo Sayer. Steve Gadd on

1367
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,140
drums, don't stop till you get
enough. Michael Jackson with

1368
01:15:56,140 --> 01:16:00,300
John Robinson every time you go
away. Paul Young, and the list

1369
01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:03,900
goes on in there, uh, long Tong,
Sally, Little Richard, we

1370
01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:07,560
wouldn't have rock and roll
without Little Richard, right?

1371
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,760
Never got his due. I agree. I
agree. You guys ever remember

1372
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,660
seeing there was a, there was a
Grammy Awards, and this had to

1373
01:16:15,660 --> 01:16:20,780
be 30 years ago. And Buster,
Buster, point Dexter, hot, hot,

1374
01:16:20,900 --> 01:16:26,240
hot up, and Little Richard
representing Song of the Year,

1375
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,480
or Best New Artist or something.
And Little Richard opens the

1376
01:16:29,480 --> 01:16:35,780
envelope, and he said, the
winner of Best Artist Goes to

1377
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:42,340
me, because none of this would
have happened without me? Oh,

1378
01:16:42,340 --> 01:16:43,420
wow. And I'm just like,

1379
01:16:45,580 --> 01:16:47,140
incredible drop the mic,

1380
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,080
yeah? Anyways, those are some
guilty pleasures in there. There

1381
01:16:50,260 --> 01:16:52,960
you go. They're mostly, some of
it's the production, some of

1382
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,380
it's the drumming, some of it's
where it takes me. Reminds me of

1383
01:16:56,380 --> 01:16:59,140
my youth, and some of it is
just, like, there's just amazing

1384
01:16:59,140 --> 01:17:00,160
songs, yeah?

1385
01:17:00,340 --> 01:17:03,300
And, you know, it's that way,
like I grew up listening

1386
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:06,720
everything from Chicago to
Zeppelin to bad company to tower

1387
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,560
power to all that stuff. But my
dad had it all, yeah, you know,

1388
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:11,400
because

1389
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,180
my brother came to town, one of
the songs that I've been playing

1390
01:17:15,180 --> 01:17:18,900
along with, and it's a very
difficult song to play, is

1391
01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:24,620
escape by journey. Which you
ever listen to that song? It is,

1392
01:17:24,620 --> 01:17:27,260
it is, there's a lot going on.
Steve Smith was Steve

1393
01:17:27,260 --> 01:17:31,160
Smith man when just a couple,
when he used to lay into it. He

1394
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,220
was great. I mean, he's great, a
technician now,

1395
01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:37,280
yeah? I mean, there's like four
different parts of that

1396
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:41,260
song, yeah. It's nuts, amazing.
Jim. Ask your favorite question.

1397
01:17:41,980 --> 01:17:46,060
Okay? So you have to pick, like,
all of a sudden everything

1398
01:17:46,060 --> 01:17:51,400
ceases in your life, musically.
And you know, you have to pick a

1399
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,960
tribute band to be in, and
tribute some sort of band for

1400
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,620
the rest of your life. Who?
Who's it gonna be? You gotta

1401
01:17:59,620 --> 01:18:05,520
play the music every night, over
probably over again,

1402
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,240
if it's not King's x, because
nobody would show up to that,

1403
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,780
because not a lot of people know
who King x is, I'd say something

1404
01:18:12,780 --> 01:18:16,140
completely off the wall, because
I played rock stuff my whole

1405
01:18:16,140 --> 01:18:18,000
life, so probably Earth, Wind
and Fire.

1406
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:24,440
Oh, yeah, nice. I love earth.
You remember? Yeah, kick the

1407
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,180
horns, having the

1408
01:18:26,180 --> 01:18:30,500
horns, you know, you don't have
to play that hard, right? Yeah,

1409
01:18:30,980 --> 01:18:32,540
Earth Wind and Fire amazing

1410
01:18:32,540 --> 01:18:36,080
that they are. And, you know,
it's like John Robinson said,

1411
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,320
what you know, if you don't know
the Earth Wind and Fire song

1412
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,620
book, you're missing out, right?
You know,

1413
01:18:41,620 --> 01:18:43,000
Yeah, amazing drumming.

1414
01:18:43,300 --> 01:18:45,940
I will say that Bill Gibson is
still an underrated drummer

1415
01:18:45,940 --> 01:18:48,820
because a lot of that stuff is
kind of hard to play. I've been

1416
01:18:48,820 --> 01:18:50,680
playing a lot of Huey Lewis.
There

1417
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,080
you go. Yeah, a lot of the the
faster 12 eights,

1418
01:18:54,580 --> 01:18:58,300
right? Make it feel good, yeah,
right, yeah, that, that stuff

1419
01:18:58,300 --> 01:19:01,980
will throw you off, yeah, sure.
Oh, you got to have a good day

1420
01:19:01,980 --> 01:19:03,180
playing that for me, at least.

1421
01:19:03,180 --> 01:19:06,240
No. Amy, no one's playing those
kind of shuffles anymore. No

1422
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:07,740
one's playing,

1423
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,820
no, yeah, and then

1424
01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:19,620
stuck with you. Oh, shuffle

1425
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:22,040
on the hi hat.

1426
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:24,980
Did that fast?

1427
01:19:32,540 --> 01:19:36,140
You know, you know a shuffle
that that's always played wrong

1428
01:19:36,620 --> 01:19:42,640
and hard to play, if you, if you
haven't studied it, is tush and

1429
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:49,960
Dude, that's a double shuffle.
But the kicks going to Doom, to

1430
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:54,640
Doom, to doom. It's not, it's
and most guys go, you know,

1431
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,940
right? The kick drones go to
doom.

1432
01:19:57,940 --> 01:20:00,300
So a double shuffle on both
hands. Both

1433
01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:01,440
hands, and

1434
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,120
then the kick drum. You want to
play the quarter note, right?

1435
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,340
But it's just to do.

1436
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,920
Oh, I wonder if Frank, still,
you know, was playing it that

1437
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,560
way, towards the and, or if,
because it seemed like a lot,

1438
01:20:13,620 --> 01:20:17,880
sometimes a lot of people will
just knucklehead it to make it

1439
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:18,780
more powerful. Sure,

1440
01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:20,720
to do, right?

1441
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,320
Well, I saw them and he didn't
play it that way. So he we did a

1442
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:29,000
show with him years ago, and,
yeah, they he wasn't playing

1443
01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:31,340
it that way. He's kind of
another

1444
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:32,900
underrated

1445
01:20:34,460 --> 01:20:37,040
guy, too. I think

1446
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:42,580
so totally you know that Billy
Gibbons is a part time

1447
01:20:42,580 --> 01:20:46,000
nashvillian. Now he's always
shopping at the Trader Joe's in

1448
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:50,080
green hills. Oh yeah. You go,
still have the beard, huh? Oh

1449
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,900
yeah, and the little beanie. And
does he? Yeah? He's a cool cat.

1450
01:20:52,900 --> 01:20:55,420
It's crazy. He's the kind of guy
you've run into him everywhere.

1451
01:20:56,980 --> 01:21:01,680
The rainbow, boom, you'll see
him. Trader Joe's you see him?

1452
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,880
Yeah, wow, yeah. Maybe he's
following you around. Like,

1453
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:06,600
that'd be cool.

1454
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:13,200
Very, very cool. So any plans
for the holidays, and what are

1455
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:14,520
you looking forward to in 2025

1456
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:19,140
we got 28 people coming over for
Christmas. Oh, my God,

1457
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,900
trace one of them. Huh? Is trace
one of them. No, you ever have

1458
01:21:23,900 --> 01:21:26,000
like, the Moxie be like, Hey,
why don't you swing by this

1459
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,940
weekend? Hang out, have a beer.
No, really. Well, he's not

1460
01:21:28,940 --> 01:21:31,400
having a beer. No, he's not
having a beer. Or just have a

1461
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:32,720
non alcoholic beer, right?

1462
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:37,160
No, no. He treats us all good
and stuff. But it's not like a

1463
01:21:37,460 --> 01:21:39,920
buddy buddy kind of situation.
I'll totally

1464
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,040
be like that, yeah. What are you
doing this weekend? Come on.

1465
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:42,280
Yeah, you

1466
01:21:43,420 --> 01:21:46,000
know. And it's like, maybe he's
just, well, you never invited me

1467
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,680
over. Why should invite over
you? Maybe

1468
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,980
that's what if you did. Maybe
he'd shocked me, that's right,

1469
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:55,180
by showing up. Maybe he's
waiting to BS. Maybe, yeah, you

1470
01:21:55,180 --> 01:21:55,720
never know

1471
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,540
the answer to the question if
you don't ask Yeah,

1472
01:22:00,100 --> 01:22:02,820
man, 25 when you could have
Jason over your house? Yeah,

1473
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:09,060
we live closer. Now. You do much
closer now 25 I yeah, look

1474
01:22:09,060 --> 01:22:12,180
forward to being probably do
about 50 to 60 shows with Trey,

1475
01:22:12,180 --> 01:22:17,580
nice and still doing stuff out
of my drum room. Yeah,

1476
01:22:17,580 --> 01:22:20,360
nice. So how do you ever do you
do some advertising for that, or

1477
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,940
it's just kind of word of mouth.
It's word of mouth people in the

1478
01:22:22,940 --> 01:22:23,420
know

1479
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,480
and anymore, like, I don't even
have a Cartage kid anymore,

1480
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:29,480
yeah, most of the stuff now is
house kids. You bring cymbals

1481
01:22:29,480 --> 01:22:30,500
and snares and, yeah,

1482
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,320
percussion. And so you're
finding yourself on Music Row

1483
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:34,760
doing this stuff occasionally,
yeah,

1484
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,940
yeah, doing that stuff. And
then, you know, out of my drum

1485
01:22:37,940 --> 01:22:41,860
room at home, got clients in
California, France, Missouri,

1486
01:22:43,300 --> 01:22:45,580
the French guys like, yeah,

1487
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:47,560
oh,

1488
01:22:50,620 --> 01:22:52,300
to be culturist here. I mean,
yeah,

1489
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:56,620
culture is, yeah, yeah, well, I
mean, dude, you are just we have

1490
01:22:56,620 --> 01:23:00,400
so, so many similarities. We
have a lot of similar tastes,

1491
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:05,220
yes, and super happy for you.
Oh, thanks. Super proud of you.

1492
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:10,080
And look, look forward to 2025
as well. If people have

1493
01:23:10,380 --> 01:23:13,080
questions or they want to reach
out to you, you got a.com What's

1494
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:14,100
the best way for people to

1495
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:16,260
find you? I don't they could
email me? Yeah. JP,

1496
01:23:16,260 --> 01:23:16,680
spittle@gmail.com

1497
01:23:17,700 --> 01:23:18,780
JP spittle@gmail.com

1498
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,600
or find me on Facebook, direct
message me, or Instagram. Love

1499
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:24,680
it, you know, right now, that's

1500
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,720
how these crazy kids are doing
all that these days,

1501
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,140
Facebook, Instagram, yeah, I
don't

1502
01:23:30,140 --> 01:23:33,080
know if they're using Facebook
as much these Well, no, no, this

1503
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:37,640
for the older crowd. Yeah, I do
like Facebook chat. I love

1504
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,920
people. It's been Facebook's
been part of my life since 2009

1505
01:23:40,820 --> 01:23:43,420
right? You know, or maybe it was
seven, I forget, whenever it

1506
01:23:43,420 --> 01:23:47,140
opened to the public and we all
jump ship from MySpace, right?

1507
01:23:47,860 --> 01:23:48,160
Oh my

1508
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:52,240
gosh, you and I have 81 mutual
friends. John, ah, that crazy.

1509
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:52,720
There you go.

1510
01:23:52,780 --> 01:23:55,780
Well, yeah. Well, hopefully you
let you in, and then we can all

1511
01:23:55,780 --> 01:23:57,760
meet at the mission. Yeah, let's
do it. I sent

1512
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:02,040
your friend request. Did you get
it that quick, wow,

1513
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:05,280
put me on the spot. Now, John,
is there anything that we didn't

1514
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,680
bring up that you would like to
be public record?

1515
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:16,620
I try and hide most of that
stuff. Oh my God.

1516
01:24:19,260 --> 01:24:21,800
Speak now or forever. Hold your
peace. Oh,

1517
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,340
my God, amazing. Well, it was
just so fun to host you and to

1518
01:24:25,340 --> 01:24:27,860
you know, to be back on each
other's radar. Yeah, man, we're

1519
01:24:27,860 --> 01:24:30,740
in each other's lives again.
Man, that's great. Super cool.

1520
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,220
Yeah, we got to meet up more
often. We'll do the thing. Yeah,

1521
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,040
everyone that's John spittle,
look him up. Was the email

1522
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,420
address one more time. JP

1523
01:24:38,420 --> 01:24:40,460
spittle@gmail.com JP
spittle@gmail.com

1524
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,640
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1526
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1527
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:55,720
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1528
01:24:55,720 --> 01:25:00,240
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