In life and society today, we've gotten too comfortable with quitting. Mhmm. And everyone wants to start things, post about it on the Internet, and talk about their new endeavor to their friends. But the reality of it is getting what you want in life and any type of goal or sport or business or family, it takes a lot of hard work, and things don't always work out the first, second, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 10th time. They work out the 100th time.

Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.

What is going on, Eagles? Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show. I am Drew joined by my cousin and cofounder, Joey Digital. Joe, Joe, how are you

feeling today? Feeling good, man. It's actually happening. I'm losing my job. Yeah.

It's actually happening. So people will notice we are dressed alike today, and I

did tell Cara and Dane who both commented on it that you are one

of my

first role models in life. So it's gonna happen.

So people

just get used to it at this point.

I mean, scary thought that I was a role model of yours, but, yeah, it's the over shirt. Like, you can't beat a nice over shirt. And I wanna make a few will hunt over shirts.

We're we're working on that as per our meeting yesterday when we talked about maybe some flannels and stuff. Sky's Sky's elevated casual? Mhmm. Our dream is actually coming true.

I know. I know. A lot of hard work.

Yeah. For those who don't know, we didn't start out to actually make T shirts. So we probably, if we had our way, we would be an elevated casual brand.

Yeah. More likely. Also, I mean, yes, we got the elevated casual going, but also the beanies back. Did you notice? Yeah.

Beanies back. It's been a while. It's been a whole season. 2 seasons.

That's the frustrating part for me because, I mean, you as you know, I like to spend a lot of time outside, and I was on my walk with my dog last night. I posted on my Instagram story, but

Uh-huh.

The walks just don't hit the same when they're not in the sunlight, and it's cold and dark.

Yeah. Yeah. I enjoy both, man. I I get you. The the the sun hitting you hitting your skin, charging you up Mhmm.

I love that.

That feeling grateful for them nonetheless. Always grateful. Yeah. Yeah.

I went on a very cold, very dark rock with one of the few, Trevor Mhmm. Last weekend. Mhmm. And it was nice. Man, it was nice.

Seeing, like, walking in the frigid temperature, it was, I say frigid, but it was freezing. It was 32 degrees That's cool. In the dark. And then, you know, through the point in time when the sun came up, it was nice.

They I forget. I don't know who coined this quote. But

Fuel hunt.

A lot of things can be solved by just solidarity on a walk. You know? Mhmm. Yeah. Walk in the woods.

Solve a lot of your problems.

Solve a lot a lot of your problems. Just take a walk in the woods. That's why I love hunting so much. Yeah. And you get to kill someone.

But yeah. It's a walk

in the woods. But, anyway, I got the beanie back. It's back today, so I can't wait to see the comments. People were easy on me, over the fall and winter Mhmm. Last year, right, with the beanie.

But I did get some comments. You know

what I mean? We did hear from aunt, our brother-in-law, or my brother-in-law, your cousin-in-law. He his some of his guys, they they, they'll understand they'll understand the fisherman beanie, but, like, those are the people that don't understand stuff.

Listen. I'm bringing I'm bringing small beanie energy. Right? That's what I'm bringing today to complement my other energy. The few energy is what I'm talking about.

The few energy. Yeah.

Alright. So today's episode is gonna be a little bit different than our usual banter or interview. Mhmm. It is actually inspired by and I'm not a fan of the doomscrolling, but my son Parker and I are currently infatuated by these guys. Have you ever heard of the Costco guys?

No. No. I didn't know who I didn't know

who Costco guys? The the Costco guys on Instagram.

Like the store?

Yeah. Yeah. So it's a a guy and his son. Car. Do you know the Costco guys on Instagram?

The the boom? Yeah. Alright. But

you you

It's a guy it's a guy

If the dudes if the dudes lived if the dudes lived after the Renaissance, there's a chance I don't know them.

Okay. Alright. So they go around to different eatery. They started in Costco.

Yeah.

And they go into different eateries and different places, and they say, like

Costco food. Like, eatery like they were eating at the grill

at Costco? With the son, like, the chicken bake, and the dad, like, the double chalk chocolate cookie.

Okay. Alright.

So they, like, say the doom or boom scale, and everything either gets a doom or it gets a boom. Where are

these guys from? I needed to turn it around.

New York. Like, a New York.

I think I was sort

of Florida, but

Wait a second. Wait. Well New York or Florida?

They sound like they're from New York, but

Oh, they live maybe I believe

they're in Florida. Well, I'll look

them up. You'll get a kick out. I'll send you I'll send you one of their reels.

They are Yeah. They're just like a it's not like actual enjoyment. It's like you

watch it and yours,

like Here here's here's what here's what I'm 48. Have you ever seen the,

oh, man. It's a guy. I don't know the name of his account, but he does the Asian dad outfits in Costco. No. Oh my god.

That's hilarious. Now I have an inside track on that Yeah. Because Melissa obviously

You would get it more

than that. I get it more than most, but, like, he breaks down their fit. It's like a fit check at Costco, but he looks for, like, older Asian dads. Yeah. Oh, it's hilarious.

That's good.

So I'm guessing it's kinda the same type of

A little bit entertainment. This is more cringe, watching. Yeah.

Oh, okay.

So now that, like, putting out songs, like like, we bring the boom, dude. It dude, you're gonna go down this rabbit hole. So yeah. So anyway

So I believe I'm not gonna do this. I'll just take your

rope through. Do this doomer boom thing.

Yeah. And That's catchy. I think

inspired me to do an overrated, underrated episode.

Okay. Alright. So shout out to the Costco boys.

Fuel hunt lifestyle edition and or hustle culture edition, etcetera.

So what are we gonna are we gonna do, like, work or wine? What are we gonna do? We got, like, a doomer boom thing or no? Work or jerk?

See, your mind when I was developing this list, your mind goes to the creative ways to say overrated, underrated. Yeah.

Okay. We're sitting with overrated. Let's not get cute. Let's just do overrated, underrated. Sounds good.

So it

was about about 20 things. We'll see how many we

get there.

Money. Yeah.

It's a

lot of good stuff.

Okay. Alright.

But we'll start it off Thank

you for setting my expectations, so I won't be too long winded for each one.

So we'll start it off easy. Hard work. Hard work is number 1.

Oh, man. This is this is like

Oh, and then I would like when, like, I say them on the the shorts, could we, like, have the a picture of something pop up, like, ping? And it's like it's like a Yeah. No. No. Alright.

Hardware. Pew. Pew. Hardware.

So I'm I'm saying underrated or overrated.

Yeah.

Okay. I'm going to say now I think I understand the rules of this game properly. I'm gonna say underrated.

Yeah. I would also agree

with that. Would also agree. So we have a, work harder, not smarter episode that I'm really, really, really, really excited to do that will dovetail right off that. But I don't think anybody would have expected us to say overrated.

No. No. And I think it actually could be, like Yeah. Teasing that that episode, it could be said by some to be overrated. But I would say if you do something long enough and hard enough, it'll eventually work.

So I would say hard work is underrated also.

Let me give I know you're hosting this episode. I know I already lost my job, so it's all good. But let me ask you a question. Of all the times that you've heard work smarter, not harder, was it ever said by a person whose life you would live? Like, I wanna be like that guy or gal.

The I can think of 2

talking about that exact phrase.

I can think of 2 people currently. The first one, definitely not.

Okay. And you You don't have to air them.

No. No. No. You know.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm

You may know.

I'm I'm sure I know what it is. I'm sure I'm sure I know what it is.

But recently, my friend and coach Danny Myra said it. And Oh, great.

They they look

great, man. To so this is an this is a this is gonna dove down to a whole different conversation. But in regards to jujitsu, he was talking about teaching the kids class to partner, and I was, he said I forgot what he was talking about. Like, it was a it was either guard retention or passing the guard. Mhmm.

And he said, you gotta work smarter, not harder. It's in the essence, picture of it picture it like taking out the trash and taking out one piece of trash at a time Yep. Rather than just taking out the whole trash bag or trash can. Yep. So it does apply.

Like

It's applicable, but I feel like you can't get smart without working hard first.

Yeah. Like I agree.

You have to understand the experience of taking the trash out one piece at a time before you can be efficient. Like, you need to understand the effort before you understand the efficiency. Let's not get into the whole thing because then we're just gonna blow that episode. We got it in the quiver already.

You want 2 hours.

Alright. So hard work, underrated.

Agreed.

For sure.

Alright. Here's a Do

you wanna explain do we have to explain underrated, overrated thing? No. Okay.

No. It it is a a trend, man. Clarity. Yeah.

Clarity. Just, like, big clarity. Alright.

Next up, ice baths.

Overrated. I love a good ice bath.

Yeah. Yeah. I would agree.

Overrated.

They've been overrated, and they're just everywhere.

The problem is it's like everybody thinks if they if they bathe in ice, it's gonna cancel out a shitty diet, poor sleep, no sunlight Mhmm. Which is not like, there there's a lot of benefits to that modality. I love it.

Yeah. You

know what I mean? I love it for recovery. But if I'm not eating well, sleeping well, breathing fresh air, and getting great sunlight, then why why would I even yeah. It's useless.

And that's the problem with a lot of these, quote, unquote, hacks in

Mhmm.

Fitness, health, work, finance. It's like, you have to be doing it's better to be doing everything 50% than instead of just one thing a 100%. Like, if like you said, if you're asleep, nutrition, and fitness isn't on point, then doing an ice bath every single day isn't gonna help you.

Yeah. Now there are And I'm speaking from the physical standpoint. Like, I I know a lot of people that, do the ice bath every day Yeah. Because it's something hard to do Yeah. That shows their mind, not necessarily their body, but shows their mind that they can do hard things.

So that makes sense to me. Like, I get it. Like, I'm not shitting on the ice bath. Like, but I do think that there are over 8.

Currently Yeah. At this point in time. Yeah. And that's one thing why I started really ice bathing even before the health benefits. I started back when, you know, I went to, like, a Wim Hof seminar.

Mhmm.

Yeah.

And I just wanted to know that, like, I could overcome that. And if I can't when I'm in there, I'm like, if I can't overcome cold water, what can I overcome it like?

Yeah. Exactly.

Because things will inevitably get harder.

Oh, of course. They yeah. Yeah. Of course. Of course.

I'm I'm like, you know me. Like, I was in, like, the nineties.

Oh, you the okay.

Late nineties, early 2000. I was doing quote, unquote weird shit like that. Like,

taking cold showers. Biohacking before the term biohacking.

Yeah. I was. I was. And

that's because you're old.

So Yeah. Basically. That's basically what it is.

Alright. Next up, American made. American made. Oh, underrated.

Of course.

Severely. Severely.

We're going from easy to difficult here. Right?

Easy to hard? I tried to space them all out.

Okay. Alright. Because I

was gonna say, these are pretty

easy so far. Yeah.

So that we wouldn't be just, like, doing the same

I gotcha.

I gotcha. Topics.

Underrated, bro. Underrated

Underrated. To

to the high heavens.

But If it were overrated, we would be in a much different position as a country.

Mhmm.

Oh, for sure. And would have a much better economy in my in my opinion.

Well, we absolutely would. We'd have stronger families, stronger neighborhoods, stronger communities, stronger country. I think that what you're going to see now with, Trump winning the election is you're gonna see a shift towards that. You know what I mean? Everybody else is gonna be getting on the train of American manufacturing, but, you know, us, you know, Carrie, me, you, Brie, Tim Mhmm.

We're in the fucking locomotive.

John Slick.

We're Nick

Nick and Johnny.

Like, we're we're pulling that train. Yeah. You know what I mean? Arjun. You know what I mean?

Like, we're pulling that train. So I'm eager to see everybody else get on, on board. I don't think that Americans will ever allow American made to become overrated. I don't I don't think it'll happen.

Where we are now as as a country. Yeah.

I don't think it'll happen.

I,

I think it'll only continue to get better.

It's rooted in hard work, though, because I even tell everybody openly, I'm like, going American made was hard. Like, even people that are so accustomed to hard work. Mhmm. Like, chopping your margins is hard. Mhmm.

Limiting your manufacturing capabilities is hard. Like Mhmm.

I

would love to create a lot of these things that some of our competitors are creating, but it's just not even in the cars being made here.

Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, the capability is here to make it, but because the capability has been unused for so long, it's super expensive.

They would just draw yeah. It would make It

would super it would put us out.

I'm sorry. We're incapable of doing it just because of the fact it would be extremely we wouldn't be able to sell any because we'd just wanna sell them at the price that our our customers would buy them.

Ex yeah. Exactly. I have, bro, I have people all the time even at at BK live. Spoke to one of the few, Andrew, Spoke to a couple other people. They wanted kits for, triathlons, like, you know, kits for power lifting.

You know what I mean? Like, all sorts of stuff. That's definitely doable that we will do. Yeah. But I don't think that the majority of the populace understands how expensive it is to do and how it it's it wouldn't be feasible.

Yeah. Price point wouldn't be feasible.

Agreed. Alright.

I mean, we

shouldn't I'm just keeping it on our time with

No. Go. Let's hit them, dude. We'll do, like, what do you call it? Lightning round or whatever?

Waking up early.

Waking up early. Definitely underrated. Definitely underrated.

I have a a hot take on this. I'm not I know. I don't wanna I I'm not sure. Right? I Yeah.

Because there is magic in waking up early. Like,

our

friend Craig Valentine says, like, this is the magic time. Mhmm. And I do get well, I think I wake up reasonably early. I'm not I'm not a, a 5 AM er.

Here's the thing with waking up early, and nobody wants to say this. It's relative. Yeah. You and I don't have the same schedule. We don't have the same life.

We don't have the same number of kids. We don't have the same spouse. We don't have the same so, like, me getting up with the sun at whatever time that is, my magic time is gone.

So do you

know what I mean?

Time changed now that it's the winter? No. Or it says No. But it's your pre song.

K. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pre song.

Yeah. Yeah.

That's The pre song.

I will say underrated though because

I I do understand.

Magic time is just you hit the day with a head of steam.

Right. You you feel superhuman. Yeah. Like, that's my 2 days. Exactly.

That's my way to describe it. You feel superhuman. Plus, when you work up in the when you wake up in the morning, you do your best work because at that time, the world doesn't have its claws in you. Right? And you're the most you have the most willpower.

You're the most disciplined that you can be during that window.

Solitude.

Yeah. During that window of silence. Yeah.

I forgot what I was gonna say about that, but I there are 2 people on this list too. Mhmm. 1st up

k.

Badrios Kulian.

Underrated. Extremely. Extremely underrated. Extremely underrated.

And if you know him on a personal level Yes. That would even I I feel like people Yeah. Feel that energy and that power, of a human being from the interwebs and social media. Mhmm. But when you actually get to know the man and the way he cares about people and pours into people on a personal level is

10000x.

Yeah. 10 10000x. Yeah.

10000x. Yeah. And you know what? Like, he's like a brother to us. Obviously, he's a business partner, but I'm sure that we've only known him for a few years.

Right? I'm sure there's a lot we don't know Yeah. About the power of who he is. Yeah. And, look, every everybody knows b.

So, like, I'm saying he's underrated. It's not that he's little known.

Exactly.

It's just that the power of his giving and the power of really just his humanity is something that a lot of people don't understand because they don't know him on a personal level.

And it's funny. We've been business partners for how many years now? 2, 3.

It's been 3, I think. 3. Yeah.

And I've all getting into it, I was, like, weary. Just I have my car. I have my car, obviously. Yeah.

We don't know.

And I've always said, like, I've been I waited for a reason to not wait it, but thought there eventually, maybe there was maybe one little snippet where I'm like, oh, he's not the best guy ever. But he is literally giving us nothing but reasons why he's just the best human being I met Yeah. On on to date. Yeah. And it's not, you know Aside from my wife.

It's not all, like like, oh, yeah. There you go. But yeah. Footnote. Footnote.

And it's not like all sunshine and rainbows. Like, sometimes he gives it to us hard. It gives us to a tough. It gives us tough.

You know what I mean? Which is which

you should be. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, Even those Punch in the face, and it gives you

a hug. Yeah. But even the punch in the face come Yeah. Correct. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It does. It does. Yeah. Best dude ever.

Shout out, b.

Yeah. Alright. Here's a tough one. Probably the hardest one in the list.

Okay. I'm ready.

Training in the gi. The gi. Oh, man. Overrated, underrated.

I ain't gonna do this to me, man. I ain't gonna do this to me. Well, I'm glad this is the hardest one. Maybe we can get it out of the way. Oh, man.

Listen. Out of respect for the art, I'm gonna have to say underrated. Out of respect for the art, and especially because I've only been immersed in the art for 4 years or whatever it's been. 3 years? 3 years.

Right?

The 2a half, I think.

2a half? Okay. Look. My you know, maybe the beanie's too

tight today.

I don't know. 2a half years, almost 3 years. I don't I

can be wrong. I can

be wrong. Think I feel I don't feel qualified to say overrated.

For your per on your personal.

On personal level, I'm

still I'm still downgraded. Disclaimer. We are not qualified for any

We are blue belts.

For any jiu jitsu calls.

I'm gonna say underrated out of respect for the culture. I respect for the art. And, also, just given the fact that I've only been doing no Gif now for a few months with the guys. So, you know

I'll agree with you on underrated. At at one point in my life, I may have said overrated, but I think I'll at Movement, I it's fun to go back and forth each day.

Yeah. Yeah.

So I think you should train both. I think training one makes you better than the other, in my opinion.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually I've been out of the gi now for, I guess, been they're almost 3 months.

Mhmm. So, I love how it's out of the gi.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It was the past. I've been out of the gi. Former wife.

Yeah. I've been out of the gi for

Or a bad habit that you kick.

So I'm I'm really curious. You know me, I'm a curious guy. I'm very curious to see what it's how I behave and perform when I put the gi back on.

You hung up the gi. Yeah. I

hung up the gi for hell rounds. Before

Shout out my team's

b j j. Tuesday, Thursday, 11 AM. Very good.

Before I switched gyms the first time, when I moved, I had only trained gi ever. Like like Mhmm. And when I started to train no gi, even having a little bit of wrestling experience, I didn't know what to do with my hands or how to do any submissions at all. So I do think I'm

wondering I'm wondering. I think it's old programming. So when I do put the key back on, I think I'm gonna go right for those lapels. But I don't know.

Alright. Next up, the news.

The news? Yeah. Is this even a is this even a how does it make the list, man? Who made this list? I the the Overrated,

man. Yeah. Extremely overrated.

Fake news, bro.

We know that news. That in order to be one of the few and commit to your goals, achieve your goals, you have to tune out the the noise. Yeah. The news being one of them being that they are just, in in my opinion, just Fake news? Professional and professional gossipers.

Yeah.

Really.

Yeah. For sure. There's a there's a shift in what the news was. They stopped reporting, and they started coercing. And granted, I watched the news during that entire time.

Like, I was, like, to use your feed me.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, there's a certain point in time, you know, more than 10 years ago where I was in it, man. Like, deep like, dude, I mean, you know, I turn on the news. I used to work with the news on.

Same. Same.

And, boy, I look back at those days, and I was like, man, what was I thinking, man? What was I thinking?

You really just had to break free?

Yeah. Let me let me ask you, we got we got some time. So let me ask you a question. Right? I have been guilty on the show, on the gram, email, speaking to the community through multiple channels.

I've been guilty of I won't say vilifying, but I will be I will say that I've been guilty of trying to convince the few that maybe certain things like sports don't belong. And this is the watching of sports.

I have professional sports. I have

professional sports. In their lives if they have a big goal that they have to be, like, focusing all their energy on. I wanna go on record, and I wanna say that there's nothing wrong with watching sports. And one day, I hope to return to watching the Phillies and the Flyers. But right now, I've made a conscious

You're not a football guy.

I mean, I I enjoy watching Eagles, but I'm I'm just I'm a baseball and hockey guy, really, I think. But, anyway, there's nothing wrong with it. And one day, I do, I wanna be, like, you know, an old man at the at the Phillies games. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Same.

But for right now, I've made the conscious personal decision to cut that shit out. And I think a lot of other people have to do it too.

Yeah. I 100% agree with you. At one point in my entrepreneurial journey, I was still and I don't think the casual watching of professional sports is the problem for for hunters and goal seekers and Mhmm. The few.

That's a good point.

It's the obsession Yeah. And the fantasy football and the stats watching. Like, more men I know are more worried about Jalen Hurts' touchdown to interception ratio than they are about providing for their family or being the best version of themselves.

Yeah. Yeah.

And that might be a hot take. And

Hey, look.

May offend people. But

Look. It's a it's a free country. It has those beautiful, so you can craft whatever type of life you want. And if that's the life you want, that's fine. But, like

Teacher teacher is one of those cliches that has come around to me more recently than in the past.

Yep. I

used to just think whatever about that quote, but it really teach everyone is entitled to their own life Yeah.

For sure.

Life that you're living.

For sure. For sure. Just know that if you come to us and you say I have this big goal, I wanna start this apparel brand, or I wanna do this, and I don't have time, the first thing we're gonna go after is your Sunday football. Yeah. Because I did.

That's a whole fucking day.

I have time.

And most people that I hear this from, I don't have time, they're also eating and drinking like shit during it, which then derails their week.

So Years ago, I thought I was a hard worker, entrepreneur, and this is, like, right out of college, but I said I was committed to my goals. I wanted to be something great.

But I

was literally spending all day. I would get like you said, I would get, what's the hoagie place? Just the very primos.

Oh, don't throw I love I love being primos, dude. Come on.

A chicken diabla?

No. I get the, the prosciutto, the mozzarella on the wrap.

Mozzarella. And, like, we just sit there all day and watch Red Zone. Like, this is crazy. Yeah. The a young, drew, we'd be.

Yeah. So is sports on the overrated, underrated?

I took it all. Yeah.

I didn't

I didn't wanna get into those conversations.

Alright. Well, sorry.

I mean, I were talking about it, and I was like, she's like, you got you have vilified sports.

Well, I wanted to go on record and say

what? You're right. I wanted to

go on record and say that we're not vilifying it. It's just, you know, you need to really hold yourself accountable. And if what you say you want is really what you want, changes are necessary, and some of those changes are gonna involve sports. Yeah. Just saying.

I agree.

I get it. What's next?

Alright. Next up. Black coffee. Underrated. I would agree.

Highly underrated.

Our friend, Sean Brady, would not agree with me. No. No. He

Like butter?

He said he he likes to put, like, cream or raw cream in there. And he always says he's like he's like, why you tour he's like, I I love myself. So why would I torture myself with back off? That was our first conversation

like us that.

At that wedding we met at. Yeah. I was drinking at the time, and I was just being an idiot. And I was like, are you put, like, cream in your coffee? You must be a tough guy.

He's like, dude, you're an idiot.

I don't think there's any I don't think there's anything, anything wrong with it. I just I really enjoy just getting punched in the face by, like, a really strong black espresso.

Benefits to black coffee. Like, it doesn't break your fat. So if you're drinking coffee on a healthy stomach, you're getting health benefits. Mhmm. When I started drinking coffee in my professional career, I would go over to Starbucks next to my old

Did you get the unicorn latte?

No. I'm not. I'm never that never that poison, but I was mildly into my health journey, and I was, like, if it fits your macros, like, to try to Yeah,

dude. Yeah. Yeah.

Flexible dieting. Protein bars.

Actually, flexible dieting, and if it fits your macros, 2 different things.

Yeah. But Kind

of the same but connected. Yeah. I feel like the if it fits your macros crowd is, like, I'm gonna eat anything. Like, I'm gonna eat McDonald's. I'm gonna eat

Well, that I mean, I'm with pop tarts every single night. But Yeah. That I feel as though that's the progression of health. It's, like, you start counting calories. You start with your macros, then you go to then you're raising, like, a a chicken farm.

Like Exactly.

Yeah. Exactly.

Alright. So I will say black coffee is also underrated. However, I do since, Sean recommended, I do enjoy, from time to time, raw milk and Stevia in my coffee.

I would do a raw milk. I would do a latte or I would do a little raw milk with my

The point of that story was that when I started it, I just started drinking black coffee.

Okay. Gotcha.

I I was like, I never wanna rely on needing cream and sugar. Like like, my theory is that it's, like, wine wine. Right? Like, no one likes their first sip of wine. Yeah.

It's impossible. Yeah. Wine tastes like sand. And I was like, if I never have if I never have cream and sugar, I'm never gonna miss cream and sugar. So I just kinda forced myself to like black coffee.

Yeah. Wait. The the black coffee thing is kinda like a badge of honor, I think, because it's like a self reliance thing.

Yeah. It's real hard work real hard workers with black coffee.

I can I can get by with the least? Like, that's kinda the I think that's why it's badger on.

It makes us badasses.

Yeah. For

sure. Alright. Next one. Tough one. Might might crinkle some feathers.

College. Ruffle

some feathers. Overrated.

I would agree.

Yeah. Overrated. I, especially nowadays. Especially nowadays is overrated.

The

Was there a point in time where it wasn't as overrated? Maybe. But now, severely overrated.

The collegiate system has just turned into Yeah. Like, I need just a complete

monopoly. Look at it.

Almost like a monopoly. And, like, Penn Penn State where I went makes over a couple billion in revenue, I believe.

You gotta ask yourself you gotta have that ROI conversation with yourself. And you have to just say, like, hey. The $315,000 that I'm going to spend or even my parents are gonna spend or the loans I'm gonna get, what's the return on that Yeah. Within x amount of years?

It's kinda silly. You think you go to school for a 100,000 and get a job making 50,000.

Or less. Yeah. Or If

you're in the business agreement. Less.

You know what I mean?

I, I was

on I was on the the cutting edge of that, man. I was just like, I want to. I wasn't smart enough to say I'm not going. I tried to drop out.

My mom

my mom beat my ass.

Oh, really?

Yeah. I tried to drop out, and she was right for it. Yeah. Literally, like, I'm a college student, and she she was swinging on me. So, like so she and she was right for it.

Shout out to Angelina for the Yeah. Physical assault.

Yeah. But I'm big. She was right for it. I tried to drop out, but I wasn't smart enough not to do it. But I did have the conversation of with myself is, like, I wanna get through this as fast and cheap as possible.

How many years did you

I graduated in 3 years with a b with a bachelor of science Interesting. In computer science. 3 years.

I did I did 5. We were different.

Hey. I started watching

different students.

I well, maybe. I started going I started going did I ever tell a story? I don't think I ever did.

I didn't realize you could hack the system, though, and just take more classes. I've already couldn't.

If I

would've known that No.

No. I didn't. I I started my first year of college was my senior year

of high school. Did tell us a little podcast, I believe.

Yeah. I was a a Dawson Scholar. So my mornings, I went to LaSalle.

Yeah.

My senior year of high school in the morning, I went to LaSalle for half the day. Yeah. Then I drove from LaSalle to McDevitt, did my high school classes. And then at a certain point in time, I started actually working too in the corporate world. So then I would drive to Princeton and work and then sleep at Princeton, drive to LaSalle in Philly from Princeton in the morning, and just repeat the cycle.

Dang.

Because I wanted to get it I wanted it to be is that the

same company that you just worked for previously?

No. This was the first company I

worked for. Preston.

Yeah. We're at McKen.

Also in Princeton though?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's, like, like, you know, the watchers and and listeners community probably knows,

like New Jersey. My bad.

Princeton, New Jersey.

Yeah. The last one was Connecticut. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But, yeah. So I wanted it.

I wasn't smart enough to not go. I wasn't smart enough to make a really compelling argument to my parents as to why I shouldn't be there. But I was smart enough to say I want this over quick Yeah. Yeah. And cheap.

You know what I mean? So that's why

So I was my first 2 years, I just dicked around too much. And then I had to make up for lost time. And if I would have known that I could just take more classes and earn more credits, I would have just taken a shit ton of classes and got done to do 3 years.

Got done. Yeah. Well, you know, they brainwash you with this whole, like, well, you gotta find yourself, and you don't have to really make a decision until 2 years in. And then, well, we have this 5 year program.

Even when I told my adviser

I was gonna take

more classes, I don't think you should do that. I was like, well,

watch me. Ivan Ivan took it as far as my so my junior year. Right? So I didn't go to college senior year. I just did 3 years.

So my junior year, I went to my adviser at the time. I was like, I need to get out of here. She was like, you have, like, 1 semester left, and then you have your finals, and then you're done. I was like, I need to get out of here. Yeah.

She's like, the only thing we could do is ask your professors to give you your finals early. And if you pass them, you can leave. You don't have to come back. I was like, let's do it. Line them the fuck up.

And you did?

And I passed them. So I was out. So I was even out a little earlier than the 3 years. And but I did come back, and I walked with my class. Because I had, like, a buddy of mine, like, a really good friend of mine.

Another 2 years graduation does feel good. It is good. Yeah.

It was it was it felt good. It felt good. But, you know, it's it's like anything. Like, you know because

I guess what guess

what feels really good? Cool Ranch Doritos. Right? You know what I mean? I love I love me some Cool Ranch Doritos, man.

But You're great, dude. That's our that's our guilty pleasure.

I love Cool Ranch Doritos. I'll smash them up on a sandwich. Like, I'll do whatever. But is it really good for you in the long run?

Never a Dorito guy. I feel as I'm more of a a sweet guy than a say like a Yeah. Savor, like

a chip guy. Sweets. Bag of, like, Cool Ranch.

Post dinner, you prefer a a bag of chips over,

Yeah. Post dinner, actually so I I mentioned this. We I guess we're on a call or something recently. I mentioned I've been, like, crushing frosted mini wheats, just, like, crushing them. So that's, like, as sweet as I'll get.

That's they're good, though. You going dry, or you're going

Not milk.

Not really?

You know, I'm a dairy guy.

They're pretty I mean, I I'm raw milk guy. Yeah. I I like Frostmending Meat Cheers by themselves, though.

Oh, yeah. I could eat them

just out

of my bag. Yeah. I

could do my Post dinner, I'm crushing.

Post dinner, I've been crushing.

Post dinner, I've been crushing, cream Ninja Creamies. I don't know if you're familiar.

I'm familiar from, like, you and Frank, but I've never had

So Frank only does them on the weekend as a tree, which I should do.

Yeah.

But I'm just if I get a voice mail every night, then it's good for me. I'm just gonna do it every night.

If I have a full meal, and I'm like, okay. What's next? I'm gonna have a dessert Yeah. Like, I'll eat prosciutto, dude. Oh my god.

Like, oh my god. That's hell. More meat.

Alright. My friend, Tony, I mean, he

I'm just like, he's

a carnivore. He just want more dinner

Yeah.

Rather than dessert. Is that That's That's strange.

I there's I go through seasons, like, especially in the fall. Like, I like an ice piece of apple pie warm warmed up. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Not even ice cream on it. Just warm apple pie. Yeah. Yeah. Bro.

That was a movie, wasn't it? Like, what?

I get you now.

I get apple. No. I get you now. I'm talking about real apple pie. I I like you know, I like pie.

I like rhubarb pie. Ever have rhubarb? No. Shoe fly pie?

No. Molasses? But only once in a while, though.

So I I do like a pie Season

piece of pie. Permitting.

I like a piece of pie every once in a while. But for the most part, I'm just like, give me more dinner. Yep. Alright. Next.

Next up, Entrepreneurship.

You know, I personally I I'm gonna say underrated asterisk because I really do believe it's underrated. It's just not for everybody. And I don't think that makes it overrated.

We're gonna disagree. I think you're gonna agree with the way I'm saying it.

Yeah. Maybe I haven't thought through it now.

I would say well, I haven't really got but I would say

You're like, I need a ride.

I I would say overrated because on social media nowadays, entrepreneurship is just pictured to be this glamorous, nothing but money and freedom Yep. Type thing when it's a lot darker and grittier than that. Yeah.

I think we're

In my opinion, today today's day and age, overrated.

I think we're saying the same thing. Yeah. I think I'm saying underrated asterisk, which really is probably overrated. Yeah. It's just not for most people.

It's not for most people.

It's it's, you have to earn everything.

Yep. You

know what I mean? That's the lifestyle. You have to earn everything, but to, to the nth degree. Yep. So we don't have to get into the dark side of entrepreneurship.

We've already done an episode on that.

Next up, late night work sessions. Whether that be laptop work, gym work, whatever kind of work you do.

Man, I used to be a night owl. My early days of entrepreneurship even in my early days of corporate, I was the you know, I was a typical, like, coder, like, programmer. Like, I'd get up at, like, freaking 9:30. You know what I mean? 10 o'clock because I was up till 4 Yeah.

Coding. You know what I mean? So, like, I've done the night I've done the night shift.

Yeah.

And I used to tell dude, I used to love it. I used to love it. But now I'm gonna say, overrated.

I would agree. There were are definitely seasons of entrepreneurship, which I would like to think we are past, where I had worked way late, especially when u USPS the the time I can think of I just told the story recently, but the time when USPS during Black Friday, Cyber Monday during COVID lost an entire truck worth worth of stuff, and we were up till literally 2 AM answering customer service emails and phone calls. Yeah. But in my opinion now, knowing what I don't know now about entrepreneurship in life and health Yep. It just sets up your next day to not be as productive or efficient.

Yeah. Yeah. I just have to make sure that I get a a specific amount of REM. And if I can get that, I'll stay up later, but it's kind of a crapshoot because I have to really take stock of my day. I'm like, okay.

Like, how is training? What's my stress level like? Like, am I gonna be able to enter REM for the multiple hour period that I need? Yeah. If not, I need to be in bed longer to give myself a chance to.

You and I know from all the WHOOP studying we've done that you need all you need all of the phases of sleep, not all

of the

fluency events and light sleep. So I don't think sacrificing sleep is ever the answer. But you need just the the amount that you deem right for you.

Listen. I will say, though, that, entrepreneurship, going back to the previous underrated, overrated, no matter what season of entrepreneurship you're in, whether you're in start up scale or harvest. Right? So you're just beginning. You're growing the business or you're harvesting, meaning, you know, there's many effective systems in place and you have acquired more financial freedom, freedom of time, all that stuff.

Whatever phase of business building or entrepreneurship you're in, those late nights always come. I could tell you a story, a recent story, someone that you'd think there would never be a night where he's up late working, grinding. There would never be a night because of the level of success he's achieved. He had it. I talked to him.

Played his shit at night, and he was up grinding. Grinding. Yes. So now does that happen every month? Probably not.

Does it happen a couple times a quarter? Twice a quarter? Maybe. I don't know. Yeah.

But, like, you never really escape it.

And I would like to preface that, just for anyone that's an entrepreneur listening to us and thinking I wanna get where they are one day. Like, there are multiple nights during the week where I my my night I still have a a night. We we both do. So now I we are working at night is a thing.

Mhmm.

It's you have to there's no work life balance. So what I'm referring to is the late night, like, the late late night where you're push you're getting dangers of

You're you're not talking about, like, 10 o'clock. You're talking about, like,

1 AM. Yeah. Like like affecting your next day's productivity. So the if you're

like, late enough to break your routine for the morning Correct. Basically.

And if you want to get an entrepreneurship and do the damn thing, you're gonna have to get used to not having a work life balance and just having a work life mix. Like, we have nothing other than jujitsu, family, and work.

Mhmm.

That's really what it comes down to sacrificing things to make bigger things happen and provide the life you want for yourself and your family. Mhmm. And that just is what it takes.

Yeah. And you you know, if you're gonna be an entrepreneur, man, you gotta ask yourself that hard question. Can I, like, distill it down to, like, 3 core things? And everybody thinks they can, but in practice, it's a different story. You know?

So what do you got up next?

Alright. Next.

How are we making out on the list? Like, we're good ways down?

2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Alright.

Let's hit them let's hit them all, dude. I'm actually I'm having a I'm having a fucking voice.

I was ex when I we're I was texting you. I was like, I don't think we're gonna enjoy this.

Yeah. I know. I, you know me, dude. I only use, like, humor and fun.

And I think

I use humor and fun seldomly.

I think that you will will appreciate this episode too.

I think I think so too. Yeah.

I know I know. Next up, vegetables.

I mean, underrated.

I would say overrated. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, why? Because you're carnivore now?

Well, not carnivore. I was I tried carnivore. You don't

want the you don't want any micronutrients?

I think there are more from the the people I've read, listened to, whatever. And again, there's for each person that says Yeah. Of course. Of course. Literally anything in life, there's a argument, counterargument.

Yep.

I have been drawn to the side of belief that I would rather get my nutrients and micronutrients from meat and fruit. Man, I'm in. I've and I believe and someone can fact check me right in, comment on YouTube because I know the haters are out there.

They're gonna be too distracted by my beanie.

You can get you actually get more micro nutrients.

Well, the animal eats the vegetables.

Yeah. And you eat

the animal.

From a rib eye than you do a head of broccoli.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I guess I'm saying underrated through the lens of more people need to eat vegetables, bro. Because not like, people aren't eat like, you're eating steak, right, to get all your nutrients. Yeah.

People aren't doing that. People are eating lab grown shit.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, so I'm saying it through the lens of

Yeah. We're looking at it differently.

If we're if Alright.

Realistically. Conversation between food, underrated.

Oh, underrated. Yeah. Severely underrated. Whole foods.

Yeah. We'll say whole foods.

Like, single ingredient foods, underrated. Alright.

We'll change it.

And then everybody's gonna come at me with the whole single ingredient food thing. That's just how I prefer prefer to eat.

Yeah. You know what

I mean? I just that's how I prefer to eat.

I will say on the stretches where I am eating because I do and they're on the list, but enjoy a protein bar here and there. But the stretches the stretches that by which I'm eating majority, if not all whole foods, are the days I feel the best.

Yeah. Oh, I agree. So you're saying overrated vegetables. I'm saying underrated vegetables. I think everybody understands why.

Yeah.

I do I I do love me some vegetables. Oh, man. Like, with a steak? With a nice snake? Amanda likes steak.

Amanda's a big beets, like, she makes a lot of beets. She makes vegetable salad, which is just weird weird to me. Like, eating a vegetable salad for dessert is just a strange behavior. Like, beets and

I'm gonna let you just I'm gonna let you go out on a limb, give your opinion on that. I'm gonna reserve mine.

We do eat, arugula very regularly.

Yay. Like some arugula with a steak?

Yeah. Come on. Right?

Oh, yeah. Hey. What about what about kale? You like kale?

No. Kale's a sham, bro. Apparently, per Dave Asbury has a lot of,

Who's that?

Oxalates. He's a you know, Bulletproof Coffee Company?

Yeah. He's he's kinda Yeah. I know that guy.

Yeah. He's a bit of a he's on the he's on the fringe. But Yeah.

I know that guy.

Knows the stuff. Kale is a He's big anti kale guy.

Yeah. I'm big anti kale guy too. We would get along.

Yeah. You Kale's a sham, bro. Because you are also Whoever? Very fringe

guy. Yeah. I'm fringey. Fringey. If whoever Who created this kale thing?

You wouldn't yeah. You said now look. I don't drink anymore. But when I did, I love wine. You said wine tastes like sand.

You're gonna get roasted for that. But anyway, kale? Dude, kale tastes like cardboard, bro.

Your first couple glasses of wine tastes like sand.

I don't I think maybe

You're telling me there's people out there that drink a sip. They're first of a wine. Oh my god.

That's Wine, yes. Like a bourbon or vodka? No. Wine, yes, though.

I don't think so.

Yeah.

Didn't you ever have wine? Yeah. Your first

sip wine tastes like sand?

No. Your first sip of wine.

You ain't gonna win, dog. Oh, you're saying not that good?

I don't like, 16 I don't have,

like, a did you ever have a a really nice wine?

I mean,

like, a complex aged wine?

Not age. I I've had

Or I should I should I shouldn't say that. An aged wine or a complex wine? Big body?

I wasn't I no. Not anything like that.

Okay.

But Fit Vine Wines.

I mean, if you're drinking menage a trois wine, dude, like, yeah, I can understand.

It's like sand.

It's not our home, dude.

Fit Vine Wine. This company's Fit Vine Wine. It's, like, all organic.

Well, that's gonna taste like sand, bro. Does it taste good or no?

I mean, it tastes like wine. Yeah. It's like coffee. It tastes like Well,

whatever, dude. I I don't even know where I was going with this. You're gonna reverse. Oh, yeah. The kale thing.

Dude, kale tastes like trash. It tastes

like No. I agree.

It tastes like chewing a bag of trash. No.

I agree.

But I'll never forget the first time I had kale. I went to, man, I went to one of those, like I don't think it was sweet green, but it was, like, one of those type of places.

Yeah. Okay. And I love

me every once in a while, like, a big salad with some protein in it.

Yeah.

I see. And I got, like, the kale thing. I was like, whatever. Like, it's green. Leave

it there.

It's like, I'm just gonna eat this. Like, it's leaves. I understand what's in it. Blah blah. I ate it.

I was like, this tastes like trash, like, a bag of trash, number 1. And number 2, then I come to find out it's, like, not even really, like, nutrient dense. Yeah. Or, nutrient dense isn't the right word.

It's

not full of, like, vitamins.

Yeah. Nutrient dense. Yeah. It's not. Yeah.

Nor are that's the argument for all all these carnivores are making is that literally you get more nutrients from meat.

Well, sign me up, man. Sign me up. You're welcome. I did carnivore for, like, 6 weeks. It was great.

Except, that's

longer than I ever did. I I think I did, like, 3.

And Byron had me on that on carnivore, man. I was at I was at the beach. I was eating meat out of a ziplock bag with a plastic fork, bro.

I I will do that, and I still do that. And I all the carnivores acts, our our friends are carnivores now. Shout out. Like, I love that stuff. But knowing I can go have a piece of fruit after also, like, where when I want to,

that

it makes it so much better. But when the only thing you're eating is meat, it makes it tough.

Yeah. Yeah. Very tough.

Alright. Next up, wrist locks.

Wrist locks?

Yeah.

I have a training partner, Jeff. He's great. He's been with me since probably my, like, 2nd class, and, he's a he's a wrist lock guy. He just wrist locked me on Tuesday.

Did he grip the wrist lock?

He now that I'm now that I'm in the hell rounds Yeah. He's putting a little bit more on them.

A little bit more sauce?

Yeah. A little bit more jam on the wrist box, but, I'm gonna say that they're here you go. I wanna say they're underrated.

We disagree on that. I would say overrate extremely overrated.

I will say underrated from because in a in I'm not a self defense expert. Yeah. But they're they're effective. They work, and they work quick. And for somebody that is not super well trained or has a bunch of training under their belt, the ability to

Break your wrist in 0.5 seconds.

Yes. With the body or with the hand or, you know, whatever. Effective. So I'll I will say underrated. Uh-huh.

Yeah. But I'm not wrist locking people. I just wanna

be clear. Joe's big wristlocker. You heard

it here first.

Alright. Morning routines.

Underrated.

I agree.

Cap, underrated asterisk.

Oh, my what's the asterisk

for? Asterisk. I think that if the best work that you do in a given day is your morning routine, that more than likely there's a problem. I also think that if you are relying on your morning routine

Can't be a crutch. Can't be

a crutch. To solve the big problems that you have in your life Yeah. Your level 10 problems as Craig says, there's a there's a problem.

What did he say? You gotta apply 10 x effort to the 10 x problems. You know? Is that how he said it? Yeah.

That's how he I think it's one of the most brilliant definitions of discipline. Yeah. That's his his definition of discipline, applying a level 10 effort to the level 10 problems in your life consistently. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So wait wait. What did I say? I said overrate?

You said underrate.

Underrate. I'm sorry. Underrate.

Which they are. Yeah. Some semblance of a routine. You know what I mean? It doesn't have to be super in-depth of waking up and having a discipline.

Man, I see, I I just I'm very tuned in. You know? I'm, like, very I don't absorb a lot Yeah. But I do observe a lot.

Observe. Yeah.

Yeah. Right? So a lot of people say, well, how can you observe so much and absorb it? It's like, dude, I got, like, a steel Yeah. I got, like, a steel suit on them.

But I do observe a lot. And morning, since I'm up early, you know, I'm taking the girls to school. I'm doing a thing. Like, seeing how some people behave in the morning is, like, just wild behavior.

They're zombies, bro. That you wake up. Wild behavior

to me, bro. And

If so I think if they just do not to be over reliant on your morning routine. Right? Mhmm. Like, you can't be you can't be ineffective without it. Right.

But if I were taken and thrown into the standard Americans morning routine, I would be on that. I wouldn't be able to function.

Yeah. I wouldn't either. I I I wouldn't be able to

and wake looking at your phone immediately.

Mentally, I wouldn't be able to to do it. Now do I get

off They probably just feel like trash all the time.

Well, I I think that they don't know what it feels like otherwise.

Correct.

You know? And it's it's, you know, it's a scary thing. It requires discipline. There's some risk. I know that sounds weird to say, but, like, when you change how you operate, especially in the early morning hours, you know, it's a you know, a lot of people are I don't know if they're they're not ready to make that change.

But that also means that they don't understand how they could feel.

Correct.

So, you know, I'm,

The devil you know is the devil you don't. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, some of the behavior out here that I see, like, on the street, like, when I'm just driving in HQ in the morning Yeah. Is wild behavior, bro. Are you

talking about are you talking about,

like talking about somebody that's the,

drug addicts? Like, all the No.

No. Dude, I ain't even talking about somebody like that. Like, it's like has, like, a substance abuse, like, struggle. I'm talking about somebody that is driving around in their car. They have a 67 ounce Dunkin' Donuts cup in their hand that is literally so white.

It looks like it's just sugar. It looks like it's a cup of sugar. Let me

talk real quick. When we were here a week or 2 ago, Dai Xi brought up coffee coladas from Dunkin'. Do you remember those?

Oh, yeah. Of course.

Dude, they were so fucking good.

Yeah. Of course, they were.

They were

so So are Pop Tarts. So are Doritos. Yeah. It they're they're made in a lab. You think if they're putting this much effort into making it that savory I mean, putting that much effort into making it, do you think they're not gonna make it good?

Of

course, they are. Thankfully, Robert f Kennedy is here to save us all. No, dude. Gonna He's gonna baby.

He's gonna fuck some shit up, dude. I I love

it. I

love it. But I'm talking about the wild behaviors. Like, someone is driving around. They got this 67 ounce, Dunkin' Donuts cup in their hand that is literally it looks like it's just a cup of sugar because it's so it's so, you know, light colored. A cigarette So I was

about to say a cigarette

cigarette had a hanging out of their mouth, their phone in their hand, driving with no hands. Yeah. That is wild behavior. For 8:30 in the morning, what's the rest of your day like?

That's, like, 70% of Philadelphia.

And I'm not saying that I'm, like, perfect, man. Yeah. You know what I mean? I sometimes I fall out of my morning routine back in the day. You know what I mean?

Like, I would doomscroll in the morning. You know what I mean? I probably had one too many strawberry bliss bars from Starbucks or cranberry bliss. You ever had them? No.

Oh, man.

I never did that.

Had one too many of them in the morning. So look. I'm speaking from a not from a place of perfection, but just from a place of experience. Like, your day like, what's your day like after after that? You're behaving that way at 8:30 in the morning.

Agree.

Alright. Next. What's next?

Personal development and personal development books.

Underrated.

Extremely underrated. I think I've learned more from personal development podcasts and books than I have than I did in my 4 4 or 5 year college degree.

Yeah. Before b before we became friends with b and business partners with b, the biggest breakthroughs that I had personally in personal development and in professional development came from books. They didn't come from social media clips. You know? They didn't come from YouTube.

They came from books. Yeah. And I believe that's because, like, you know, a book carries energy with it just like our our teas do and a fire. Like, I believe that a book really carries energy with it.

I would agree. Yeah. A few books that just changed my life. Rich Dad Poor Dad in college. I read that.

Mhmm.

12 Pillars by Jim Rohn. Yep. Man Up by b.

Yep.

The Alchemist Yep. By, Pablo

Paolo. Yeah.

Yeah. Paolo. And we'll I'll leave it as 4. And maybe oh, 5th, Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink. Yep.

12 Rules For Life by JBP. JP.

Yeah. I, you know how my role when it comes to this this this conversation. Like, I could probably name 30 of them, but I'm just gonna say 12 pillars. Just get 12 pillars. Read 12 pillars.

A few with the

Yes. Tactical. Yeah. For sure. Get 12 pillars, read 12 pillars.

Alright. Next up, individual. Sean Brady.

Sean Brady?

Yeah. The man, the myth, the legend. Underrated, Sean. Underrated.

Underrated. I thought you were gonna throw one at me that was gonna be, like, hard. Like, b and Sean, underrated.

I think they're the 2 that are closest to the movement. So, just from day 1 in the UFC, you can see us consistently being underrated. Yeah.

Yep. And you know what?

Even though it might be hard to say now that he's at 4 as of, like, 2 days ago.

People still gonna say

it. Yeah.

People still gonna say it, dude. You know

what I mean?

Yeah. They're still gonna say it. But in a way, I mean, I wonder you know, we'll have him on the show, but I wonder how he feels about that. Like, did being the underdog give him, you know, an edge or, you know, whatever?

One thing I will say about Sean, and that's I think why we've become so close over the years and just for the meeting each other, he's focused on one thing, and that's the work. Right? He doesn't even and hardly does social, barely entertains any of that stuff. He just all he cares about is where he's going and what he wants to achieve and Mhmm. What it's gonna take to get there.

It's what it takes, man. It's where he's where he is. Yep.

Yep. And if more people live that way, I think we have a much better society. Yeah. People would achieve more.

Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure.

Alright. This one came off the topic of Sean Brady, but Mhmm. Because he did help me, design and construct these, but the new fuel hunt grappling shorts. Underrated. Overrated.

Underrated.

Underrated. I just, it's funny that you added this to the list because I was speaking with, Max this morning. And, he had I guess it was the team set

Mhmm.

That we sent him. That was his first pair of grappling shorts. Before that, he was, like, living in the cross combat shorts. So, he I think it was him, Manda, Cindy were together yesterday training or whatever, and, he posted a picture. So I was talking to him this morning.

I applied a story We're actually, I he sent me a message and just was expressing gratitude. Yeah. And I was like, yo. How do you how do you feel about the grappling shorts? And he raved about them.

So

It's funny because we thought we had the best shorts when we were doing the cross combat shorts.

I mean, for their purpose. For their purpose.

Yeah. They're great. They're great shorts. But once we started to make these once I started wearing the grappling, I was like, dude, I was like, this is it.

Yeah. We can't Personally never going back.

We gotta make all of our shorts grappling shorts. So and they they are

And you know what? The Equally

as applicable for any type of cross combat.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course. Of course.

If not more.

I mean, the with the leg opening being as it is Mhmm. You could use them Yeah. You know what I mean? For other applications too, not just grappling. But, I will say, and this is this is, somewhere we could be better because I'm sure that there's eagles listening to this that are like, wait.

New grappling shirts?

Yeah. We

Because we kind of did not

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That when they came out, we were just like, hey. Here they are. We didn't

really It's been a problem of ours.

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Alright. Next up, meditation.

Underrated.

Agree.

Underrated. Mhmm. So that just the umbrella of meditate just meditation in general?

Yeah. Meditation. Spending time quiet time alone by yourself and your thoughts.

Yeah. Under severely underrated.

Extremely underrated. I would highly recommend it to anyone that is looking to pursue more or just generally be happier and Yep. Less of a slave to their mind and their emotions. Yep. It is truly one of the best parts of my day and has changed my personality and my mental fortitude

all along. For sure. Yeah. Beautiful thing about meditation nowadays is it's, like, super accessible. We were talking about me being weird back in the day.

Yeah. And, you know, I was been into that for over 20 years. Yeah. So and by no means, it's a practice. Right?

So I'm not saying I'm some kind of expert. But when I was doing it, like, initially, people were like, what? Like but now it's so accessible. You can download an app like Headspace or some of those other great apps out there When you do 5 minute meditations

Or just set a timer and close your eyes and and just think about the blackness. Right? Like Yep. You don't need you don't even need the guidance. Yep.

That's one of the things about the society is everybody is trying to capitalize financially on anything. When realistic meditation from the monks just started with just Yep. Quiet time alone.

Yep. Yep. Yeah. I mean, even, you know, I used to ride the Peloton a lot, especially during, you know, the the years that they kept us locked away, unlawfully. Mhmm.

I was

riding the Peloton, and even Peloton started to release meditations, you know, guided meditations. And I thought that was great because after I finished a ride, they were not upselling because it's a membership.

But,

you know, they were suggesting, like, meditation. That's cool. And I'm like, this is awesome.

That's cool.

You know, this is awesome. So

Do you do you practice daily?

So yes. But, it changes. So sometimes I'll do guided. Sometimes I won't. Sometimes I'll take my meditation time at night and just do visualization, which is still in silence and I'm just visualizing.

And inevitably, like, you know, all the thoughts come up when I'm visualizing. Not just what I'm visualizing, all the thoughts come up. So it's a practice in channeling them.

When I start, I was doing a lot of guided. Right? I started with Headspace then this this pencil stuff, some in at the inside timer. I was training with a fellow named Dennis at Gracie Baja when I was there who had I don't remember if he studied under monks or went to some of the he he did he did meditation training. Uh-huh.

I believe he studied under monks. And he said you need to just do nothing. Right? Like, even when you're doing a guided meditation, you're still thinking because you're thinking about the guided meditation.

Mhmm.

So his he really helped me. I just it was hard too when I started to just, like, literally Tastes completely fine. Find the monkey mind Mhmm. And actually just think about nothing and do nothing.

Yeah. But it it's important to important to make the note that it's a practice.

Agreed.

And, you know, even though you could have some really great sessions for 2 weeks and then all of a sudden, it could be

This sucks.

Could be a train wreck.

And then at at that point, I do I will do, like, a Headspace or I do Headspace is a great app.

Yeah. Headspace is great. There's another one out there, and I forget what the name is that it's great. I I enjoy, like, a guided meditation every once in a while. I only do guided meditations with Kelly Howell from Brain Sync.

Oh, no worries.

So I've been when I first got into meditation, it's, like, late nineties.

Yeah.

She was the first person I found. Oh, really? She had, like, CDs, and, I've been with I've been with her and her ecosystem since then. Customer. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. Have you ever listened to the Dispenza Meditation? No. It's kinda they're kinda he's Dispenza is the goat.

Yeah. His books are great, But his meditation was kinda wild.

Yeah. I gotta check him out. Yeah. Yeah.

We got

3 The Joshua Plains stuff?

It's just like, it's like, you are like, you are now you're thinking about nothing. Like, he's like and you're like, woah, dude. Like

Yeah. It worked out. Right? The guy, you're thinking about nothing?

Yeah. Somewhat. Yeah. Alright. 3 left.

Alright.

Protein bars.

I will say that they are this is a tough one, man, because who who am I who am I speaking to? I know.

That's a good question.

Again, like, if it's you and me chatting, I'm, like, overrated all day long. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

But for somebody that's just starting out their journey, like many of the few are, right, that are dialing themselves in, making the choice of having, like, an RX bar Yeah. Or whatever is a way better choice than

Alright.

A previous choice that they would.

We'll look at it from that lens. We'll say underrated then.

I would say underrated because because of the the

But you gotta watch you gotta watch your ingredients. So Yeah.

You gotta watch your the

clean ones.

Yeah. You gotta watch your ingredients. And then also, like, you know, you don't want something that has, you know, yellow 5 in it or red.

Which some of them do. Like, someone wants to get a Wawa or 711. Like, they it's it's no better than a Snickers.

I'm gonna say underrated. Asterisk, if you're watching. Yeah. Because otherwise, what decision are you gonna make? You're gonna have, you know, some shitty food or you're or worse, you're not gonna eat it all.

Careful.

Careful.

If you're on a nutrition if you're on a nutrition plan and you're trying to hit your macros

Yeah.

And you don't and all you got is a protein bar, that's better than falling off the train Agree. Sending your body into preservation mode when you should be reverse diet.

But if some if some people spend more time in preservation, maybe we'd be better off.

I don't know. Yeah. Maybe. Look. You know me.

I'm I'm I'm a I'm for fasting, but I'm gonna go with underrated.

I agree with you. I agree with you. Alright. Last 2. And these are hot topics.

Okay.

Guard pulling.

I'm gonna say again, it depends on the audience, man. If I From

your blue belt perspective of jiu jitsu.

And we're just talking about jiu jitsu. That's it.

Just jiu jitsu.

Jiu jitsu. Yep. Not not any sort of combat situation.

Not a street fight. Yeah.

Not combat jiu jitsu. Not not combat. Not MMA. Not street fighting.

Yeah. I don't think Dana White would accept anyone point guard in in the cage, in the octagon. I don't know if they have or have. I don't watch it now.

I'll tell you something. I I pull now, of course, in the past couple months, it's been completely obliterated. But my gi when I'm in the gi, I play a lot of closed guard. So I'm gonna say underrated.

Would definitely say underrated. And Yeah.

I'm gonna sound underrated, man.

I didn't feel that way before I started at Movement Art. I was the typical, like, oh, you should you should wrestle. Like, start wrestling. But jiu jitsu and wrestling are 2 different things. And my again, I'm just a blue belt.

Some from my from my abs observations Yes. Of course. And, looking at jiu jitsu as a sport, the person pulling guard sometimes, if not all most of the times I've watched are the more aggressive Yep. Player and doing more of the attacking. Mhmm.

So I and even you look at, like, like, obviously, Nick and Danny pull guard a lot, and they have some of the best jujitsu I've ever

I think what it comes down to

is,

like, are you pulling guard because that's your game, or are you pulling guard because you have no gumption? Like, that's what it comes down to. Like, if you're pulling guard because you're afraid or you don't have balls or you're trying

From a again, from a I'm

not saying

this is

my strategic sport I'm not saying this is my outlook on it. What I'm saying is I'm trying to dissect the fact of why people are, like like, they they they shit on guard pulling. And I think it's because what they're really talking about is the person that's not courageous enough to whatever. But if it's your game, there's no problem with it.

But it is your game because you're you don't have good wrestling. Like, not that you don't have good wrestling, but your guard game ends up being stronger than your wrestling. So why would I stand up and wrestle with like, if your wrestling is better than mine and my guard's great, and I develop my guard, then why would I stand up?

But then you were gonna pull guard not because you're afraid. You're pulling guard because it's your game.

But couldn't you say that you would be afraid because

my guard's I mean,

I guess you make

that argument. I wouldn't, but guess you could make that argument.

I'm saying underrated. And if you watched CJI and, like, Levi Jones Leary. You know what I mean? I'm so I just Yeah. I'll get over there.

But, like, he was just

Thought someone was coming from behind there. I was like, I gotta ready myself.

Constantly attacking, constantly. And I would challenge anyone that doesn't believe, garbling is underrated to go to movement and

Try it.

And test Nick and Dave's guard.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

Or Mikey Musimache. Like, they say that he's even on a different level. Even I believe Gordon Ryan even said he couldn't pass Mikey Musimache's guard.

Yeah. Yeah.

That allows a person and they're 2 completely different that's David and Goliath right there. Yeah. That allows Mikey the potential opportunity to beat someone like

Gordon Ryan. Of course. Yeah. Of course. Yeah.

So I hate, man. I'm saying underrated.

Right. Last one. I'm around this might be one of our longest episodes today.

Community's gonna love it. Quitting. You said you got the hard ones out of the way. This these are difficult because, like you know what I'm gonna do? I wanna I wanna hot take this.

Overrated.

No. I agree. Overrated. A 100% overrated. I think people have grown accustomed to just quitting with JJ.

I'm sorry.

Underrated.

I'm gonna take a hot take. I'm gonna say underrated. Wow. I wanna say quitting's underrated.

Alright. Well, I disagree with you. I'd having thought about it a little bit, I would say that in life and society today, we've gotten too comfortable with quitting. Mhmm. And everyone wants to start things, post about it on the Internet, and talk about their new endeavor to their friends.

But the reality of it is getting what you want in life and any type of goal or sport or business or family, it takes a lot of hard work, and things don't always work out the first, second, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 10th time. They work out the 100th time. Mhmm. And we've gotten way too comfortable with quitting when things get hard. And I think if more people had the fortitude to persevere when those times are dark

Mhmm.

And cold and lonely and not throwing the tail, I think we would be better off.

Yeah. I'm gonna agree with you on all that. Do you want my take on underrated?

Let me know why you think underrated.

I think that one of the main reasons that people don't achieve what they truly want, like, inside, because everybody has that inside. Whether they whether they vocalize it or not, they know what they want for themselves and who they could be. One of the biggest reasons that they don't achieve that thing or become that person is because they refuse to quit. They refuse to quit on their limiting beliefs, their shitty diets. They refuse to quit on the things that don't serve them.

They refuse to quit their friendship circles that are holding them back. So to a degree, I wanna say underrated because a lot of people are holding on to things that they really need to quit. Yep.

That was

So that's a that's that's a

I should've known you were gonna turn

that one

on Ted. Yeah.

Yeah. But both are right. Yeah. So that's why that makes this one it makes this one really, really difficult. You know?

How many times have, you know and this one, it used to be, like I don't wanna say, like, I really got a kick out of it, but, like, you know, it's one of those things that goes around the Internet and you, like, smirk about it or whatever, especially when you're when you're drinking.

Yeah.

People are like, oh, like, you know, I don't even know what the how to say it to be comical because I just find it so not comical nowadays. But, like, it's it's kinda like when they're talking about, like, drinking beers. And it's like, oh, yeah. Of course, I'm an alcoholic. Like, I'm not a quitter.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You you ever see those, like, memes or whatever? And, like, back in the day, I'm like,

oh, yeah. I may have said that joke in college.

Yeah. Well, like, that's that's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah. Like, that is something that needs to be quit for some people, maybe even most people. But all those other things too, like, you should be a big giant quitter on the things that don't serve you, and you should commit then to the things that do.

So that's my take on it.

That's well said.

This was a fun episode. No. It was

a good episode. Good serve.

You got more you got more, like Yeah. What to do? Costco boy, No. What is it? Costco boys?

The Costco guys.

Costco guys inspired ideas?

AJ and big big justice.

Okay. Well, listen. AJ and big justice.

Yeah. That's a kid. Big justice.

Okay. Alright. She told me that in the beginning. Well, shout out to those guys. I guess we owe them some credit.

On the show. They're I mean, they're all working I'm

sure they're

big time. They're doing nothing. I'll see.

Yeah. I'm sure they're big time. Sure. They're big time.

Anything you wanna add to the No.

I just wanna say I just wanna say thank you to you for, you know, putting this together. You know me. Like I said, I seldom really use fun and humor. Mhmm. So, it

reminded me of our our, logo brand.

That was fun too. On.

Yeah. Yeah. That was good.

Yeah. That was fun too. So I would say I would also say, to the few, if you enjoy the episode, leave a comment. Let us know you want more of it. Yep.

And, or send me an email, joey@fuelhunt.com. And, let us know if you enjoy the show, and we'll do more like this.

Well, I'm gonna leave the few with a reminder. Always choose hard work over handouts. Always choose effort over entitlement. And remember, no one owes you. No one owns you.

You're one of the few. Now, let's hop.