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You are listening to the USDN on the

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DFPN.

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Thanks for watching

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Oh.

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I had two versions of the song playing

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in my ear when I was trying to

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share it.

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Apologies to everybody.

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What is up, everybody?

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It's the chairman of the United States

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Department of Nerds,

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where we are for the people,

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by the people, and of the people.

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So what happens when competition becomes

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civilization,

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when entertainment becomes survival,

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and when fates of entire CDs depend on

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the outcomes of a game?

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Tonight we step into the year twenty seven

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ninety eight,

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a future where humanity survives beneath

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vast domes known as franchise cities.

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And the greatest force shaping society

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isn't politics or wealth.

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it's victory our guest tonight is donald

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thoms capello creator of the sci-fi epic

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powerscape a universe more than twenty

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years in the making blending futuristic

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sport political intrigue and big scale

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science fiction world building the council

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of nerds is now in session donald my

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friend welcome back to the usdn

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hey thank you for having me always a

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pleasure to be here uh i like what

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you've done to the place hey thanks man

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i spruced it up as i'm redecorating

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everything behind me yeah yeah same here

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same here on my end yeah yeah yeah

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but um hey before we dive in to

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powerscape itself why don't you take a few

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minutes and tell everybody about how you

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kind of got into this uh the comic

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book well

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i back in i uh was uh a

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an actor performing and uh training out in

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london and uh it was right you know

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post-nine eleven sort of uh reality

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setting in and um i just you know

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i was reading a lot of philosophy i

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was i was uh uh working on a

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lot of art i i was uh

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attending a lot of different sports games.

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I grew up loving basketball,

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but I also was very keenly aware of

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all these other sports like football and

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European football, soccer,

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playing such a role in culture,

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playing such a role in how...

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Our public square more and more turns into

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sports forums and entertainment arenas.

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And the idea of the arena itself becoming

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more and more kind of what is our

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society in general.

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Where we mingle, where we mix.

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And that with the...

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decades of just seeing sort of every

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everything playing out with environmental

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issues and climate change and also energy

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resources and finite energy and how

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everything that we are and everything that

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is our society rests on a lot of

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finite energy and battle for it.

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And what if you put these two things

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together and how inevitably, you know,

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the idea of bread and circus is more

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and more people look at that as kind

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of like the end stage of when the

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Roman Empire collapsed.

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but i see it as almost sort of

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the inevitability of what happens when you

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when you make empire and also when you

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have to when when you have to hold

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things together as long as possible uh and

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taking bread what does it look like to

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extend that even further when bread and

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circus becomes like the government itself

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Because the right and so so Powerscape is

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sort of this culmination of of years of

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really weight weaving a story in my head

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about this idea of if sports franchise,

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the sports franchise essentially becomes

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the governing model of these remaining

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cities after, you know,

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centuries of the planets been destroyed by

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by.

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by climate issues and nuclear winter and

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all this stuff,

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and what happens if we recreate

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everything,

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but we only have this much really left

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to survive, and how do we distribute it?

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Well, distribute it through a game,

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distribute it through competition,

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and what does that look like, right?

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So that's kind of what the story is

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exploring, for sure.

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still wild to hear it i i i

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know i've heard the explanation before but

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it's still it's still wild it's such a

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still a very fun concept to explore now

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where did uh the love for storytelling

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begin um yeah i

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Gosh, like I think I always,

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I feel like growing up in the American

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suburbs, story is kind of just there,

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right?

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It's there as soon as you turn on

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the TV.

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And I really got in,

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my background's theater.

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I really,

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really appreciated a lot of theater.

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I was a major,

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I think one of the first storytellers that

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really spoke to me was Arthur Miller,

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who is a playwright, Death of a Salesman,

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right?

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Like when you say Arthur Miller, yeah.

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Yeah, that's where I went.

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Yeah?

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So you're familiar with him, right?

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I'm familiar with him, yes.

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Am I a stage kid?

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Absolutely not.

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But I appreciate it, you know?

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Yeah,

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you don't want to be a stage kid.

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You'll get your butt kicked in the

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American suburbs, speaking of which.

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Which is why you live in Canada now.

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Yep.

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I'm up here now.

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I can't do nothing about it.

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Oh, man, it's country of drama kids.

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But I...

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But I also, like,

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I got shoved in the locker all the

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time until I finally,

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I remember I did the Who's Tommy.

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I played Tommy.

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And everybody, I remember, like, groan,

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like, you know,

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our star linebacker of our high school

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football team was like, bro,

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you're so beautiful up there.

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It was so amazing.

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I was like, really?

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But even before that, yeah,

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I was a major fan of Arthur Miller

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because I really enjoyed how he was

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clearly talking about something like these

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underlying patterns that pop up in our

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culture.

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that are there that no one really ever,

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no one else was talking about.

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And theater,

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and I feel like theater and comics are

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the two mediums, media,

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that they are always there before

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everybody else and they're always talking

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about deeper stuff.

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that uh uh tv and film it takes

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them takes way longer for those for those

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uh uh sources those platforms to discuss

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those things so i got a lot of

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that from from arthur miller and then over

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the years you know i just started really

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it was when i started studying writing up

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here in british columbia i went to ubc

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and i started writing i only came up

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here really to sharpen my tools for

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screenwriting

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But they had this rule where you had

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to study different genres.

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And so I was studying everything I could,

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poetry, four-act structure.

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I started really falling in love with

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story structure.

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There's that one again,

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the four-eye structure.

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Four-act structure, yeah.

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Oh, did you say four-act?

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That one I haven't heard of, actually.

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No, the one you said.

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I'm sorry.

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It sounded like... Oh, four-act, yeah.

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Yeah, four-act structure,

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four-act structure, five-act, right?

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Yeah.

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You know,

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the common novel really lends itself well

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to comic book writing.

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And that was something... So,

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me and Braston Cosby just had a very

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good conversation on that exact topic,

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actually.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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That's how he writes his comics,

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using that same concept.

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Oh,

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where he thinks of it as one long

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novel, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There is – there's some really great –

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there's another fantastic writer who,

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of course,

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his name is escaping me right now,

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and I'll look him up.

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He wrote Little Bird.

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Okay.

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And that – he definitely – I could

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see that his –

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His storytelling structure for that tale

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absolutely does that.

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I'm trying to get his name now so

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I don't lose it.

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Darcy Van Paulgates.

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uh he's brilliant brilliant writer it's a

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really great story and he definitely it

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reads like a a a novel uh in

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structure but you know it doesn't feel

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like that while you're reading it uh and

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and that's so that so i started realizing

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that a lot of a lot of narrative

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structure i started like studying a lot of

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you know thinking about non-linear

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structure thinking about this and that i i

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i learned how

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I went back to comic books,

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which is really the first thing I was

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reading before theater, right?

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And I realized how so much of what

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I was, what I naturally wanted,

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was inclined to make story-wise really fit

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comic writing.

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And so then it just got to a

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point where the idea just kept, you know,

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chewing and chewing in my brain.

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And I was like, dude, you got it.

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You got to write this thing already.

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Just to at least stay sane.

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I just have to write it.

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What were some of those comments that kind

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of influenced that?

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Oh, man.

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One hundred bullets, without a doubt.

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Uh, uh,

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one hundred bullets as well as one hundred

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bullets run.

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What I love about it is the layering.

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He you think it starts with a very

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small, hard boiled fiction,

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crime fiction kind of setting.

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And then it it unveils that it's part

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of this bigger story.

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And then that's part of an even bigger

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story.

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You know, reverse what is it?

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Reverse Russian egg or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I loved that feeling.

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And I loved how it was earned.

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Never felt like it was imposed.

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And it was a nifty way of story

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story world building.

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without starting the story, right?

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Which I think is a challenge.

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I see so many people who they,

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you know, I'm guilty of it too sometimes,

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right?

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Of you're worrying so much about the

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details of your story world instead of

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just people and characters and

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relationships.

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And I think, I mean,

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that story series for sure is great.

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And then of course, you know,

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Watchmen obviously played a huge role.

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Yeah, scalped.

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A lot of the Vertigo series,

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I was a kid.

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They're back on the shelf, man.

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Say it again?

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They're back on the shelf.

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The back of the shelf.

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Yeah.

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I was a kid.

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I was very lucky.

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And I was a kid who was allowed

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to go to the adult section of the

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comic book shop.

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And the owner was just like, yeah,

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I don't care.

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It would be like Vertigo.

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This is for adults.

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This is graphic violence.

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Preacher.

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Oh, my gosh.

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The amount of stuff coming out of that.

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Come on.

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Everybody loves ass face.

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i think my i think my father called

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me that a few times and uh that

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was how we bonded and so i would

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i would show it i would i would

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show him that the the preacher comic like

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like you know me trying to be like

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a teenage rebel to my dad you know

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like so i'm gonna get this what are

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you gonna do about it you know my

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dad's just like all right looks it looks

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looks interesting you know so

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So, like, you know, as a young kid,

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I was lucky in that I very quickly

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was able to see past a lot of

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the bells and whistles of, like, yeah,

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graphic violence and, you know,

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incredible, beautiful art.

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But then at the end of the day,

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is it a story I'm going to come

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back to?

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Is it something I'm going to come back

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to?

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Dude,

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that's one of those stories where you can

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go back and read it.

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yeah yeah the tv series itself wasn't that

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bad they they did change a little much

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in my opinion they changed a lot yeah

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but at the end of the day it

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was such a good watch though yeah there

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are certain things that you absolutely

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positively cannot put on tv no not at

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all it can be applied like ass face

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become an ass face was a plot implied

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It was implied.

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That's true.

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I mean,

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you hear the gunshot and then you see

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the aftermath and how everybody treats

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him.

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And then nobody really ever gets that real

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story of what that was and how that

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happened.

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Yeah.

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And I think I really liked the part

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of the story where,

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at least in the graphic novel,

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I liked that you didn't really see how

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it happened.

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I think later they show how it happened.

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Yeah, they do.

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It's in a flashback sequence later on.

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Yeah.

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I liked – I loved that you didn't

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have to see it.

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I think it's mentioned very briefly when

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his dad leaves the police officer – the

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police headquarters.

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And then he comes – the sheriff's

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headquarters.

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And then the sheriff comes home,

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and he's just staring at the kitchen while

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his son's like, yeah,

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I'm going to make you this.

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I'm going to make you that.

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And then he leaves,

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and then he just puts his head down

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and –

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Yeah, that's an Arthur Miller play moment,

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for sure.

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Oh, yeah.

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Like, that moment where it's like,

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you can feel the history in the

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relationship in the room, you know?

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And later on, when I studied acting,

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you just sort of realize that's what makes

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a really potent character scene worth

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watching, is, you know,

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there's something that we didn't see as an

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audience, but we know it's there,

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and you're watching two people navigate

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it, right?

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He was such a great character in the

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series itself.

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Oh, yeah.

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Like,

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how many times did he save Preacher's ass,

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you know?

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Yes, that's right.

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I forgot about that.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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He wasn't, like,

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the most prolific character,

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but he was a very prolific character

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throughout the entirety of the series.

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Isn't he essentially a response to people

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loving him so much, right?

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To fan mail and stuff like that, right?

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I want to say yes.

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Yeah, that he starts getting more of a...

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or at least I thought he did.

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I don't, I don't know.

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I can't remember how that,

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how that went down.

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And I just remember him being just like,

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he was a fricking done.

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Right.

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Or at least that's how he,

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but it felt like he also had like

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mental issues before everything happened

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to begin with.

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And she just kind of played him along.

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Yes.

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And, um,

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so it's kind of like you feel bad

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for the character.

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And then it's like, he becomes such a,

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A lovable character.

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Yeah.

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Well, he sacrifices himself, doesn't he?

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Yeah.

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Now I'm forgetting everything.

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Yeah.

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I want to say he did.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, Vertigo,

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there was a moment in the mid to

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late nineties where the stories were

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really very clearly not geared towards my

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teenage self.

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And I could tell they weren't, you know,

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and I think there's a I always trust,

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you know, when I teach at a,

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you know,

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I'm a college teacher and I teach students

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that I know are very hyper aware of

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there's not there's not a lot of things

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they haven't been told everything.

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about the ways of the world in ways

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to protect them,

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but they're ready to handle that, right?

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They're ready to,

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and I think comic books were for a

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long time, like the one place where,

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you know,

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you're an angry young man and you're not

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understanding like, you know,

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so many things about yourself and the

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world and you go and you read a

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comic book and there's some, you know,

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Neil Adams talking to me somehow,

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you know, from beyond the grave.

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It's that five to ten minutes of being

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just immersed.

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in that story it yeah there's not a

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lot of well i want to say there's

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not a lot of stories but there are

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a lot of stories out there currently that

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really just like pull you into them now

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yeah and you you just feel like god

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bless i feel like i'm there man yeah

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like i really right now i really love

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um aubrey sitterson's um free planet

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That's a good story.

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And it's one of those where I know

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when it ends, I'm going to be like,

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yeah, you know,

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like that one's going to suck when it

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ends.

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There's been a few like that.

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I'm super intimidated by the the the

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variation of storytelling I'm seeing now

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in comics, the superiority of like,

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you know,

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clearly like the the the generations that

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grew up watching film are going back to

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comic and applying a lot of those

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principles

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with paneling and it's really interesting

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to see how it's happening.

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And I'm kind of realizing I'm a bit

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of a dinosaur on terms of my preferred

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format and everything,

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but I'm also okay with that because I

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think, first of all,

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you gotta be who you are, right?

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You have to tell the story you are.

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I don't think there's a right or wrong

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way.

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I know a lot of people say, oh,

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that's the wrong way to tell it.

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Is it?

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Look at it now.

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People use the gutters.

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People are all in the gutters now.

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People are using the whole page to tell

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the story now, whereas before,

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you better have that half-inch white all

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the way around the page.

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Now it's like the pages are blue,

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the pages are black, the pages are red,

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and

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Yeah.

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There's no such thing as a –

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Yeah, everyone younger than me,

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and in fact,

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a lot of my peers are trying to

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re-engineer story for verticals,

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for vertical story format.

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Every student I know,

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like there was a young student I worked

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with recently and she was like, oh,

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I'm into comics.

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I'm like, you are?

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Oh, here's mine.

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And she's like, oh, I read these.

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And they're meant to be scrolled, right?

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And I'm like, wow, this is, oh shoot.

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Like this is how everyone who's younger is

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thinking.

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They're also talking about – yeah,

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they're not talking about an actual comic.

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They're talking about reading – I forgot

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what they're called off the top of my

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head.

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But a lot of this stuff is online

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now.

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You can literally just go buy digital

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copies of all the comic books.

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I mean you offer digital prints of yours.

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Yeah, mine's on Global Comics now as well.

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One's on Global Comics.

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But it's also available.

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Global Comics goes out of its way to

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keep it traditionally horizontal.

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Um,

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I'm just saying that I can see that.

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Yeah.

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It's like you said, there's, there's,

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there's different,

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there's different ways of presenting the

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story.

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I'm a, I'm a big,

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I think I said this last time in

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our, in our last interview,

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I'm into Marshall McLuhan because McLuhan

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always believed in the medium is the

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message, right?

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The medium is the massage.

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You would call it where you're,

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you're being,

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It's not necessarily the story content,

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it's how it's being presented to you

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that's really sticking in your mind.

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And I think that's changing a lot now,

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for sure.

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But I also see that people are going

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to comics because it's a really immediate

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way to deal with the stories and the

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themes that I don't think we're getting in

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other places.

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There's no rules, right?

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yeah yeah yeah and it's the most immediate

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way to experiment without certain rules

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right yeah yeah yeah if you want to

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show blood and guts it's one of those

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where you know you can show the blood

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you show the guts you can show intestines

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being ripped out of this person's body

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their brains splattered on the wall if you

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want to go the opposite way

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If there's a graphic scene between two

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adult consenting human beings,

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you can show it.

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You got to label it,

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but at the same time,

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you can still show all that stuff.

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There's an audience for it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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yeah and i think also you you you're

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i'm seeing how like the text bubble is

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changing like people have different ways

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of delivering it now the test bubble is

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all over the place now yeah it's not

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art text bubble being used as transition

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i'm noticing a lot which is which is

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pretty good and that's the belief right

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the the art will tell the story the

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words will progress it hmm

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And then there's the idea of people who

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use the gutters to do self-inflection into

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the story from the characters,

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which is a cool concept too.

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I've read a few stories like that now

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where I'm like, none of that makes sense.

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And then you get a few pages over,

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and then you're like, oh,

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that's inner monologue the character is

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having with themselves while they're

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having the conversation with this other

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character on the page.

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Yeah.

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So it's kind of odd seeing that,

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and I'm seeing more of it.

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But it's still cool.

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I like that it's an evolving form of

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media now.

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yeah and there's really no right or wrong

00:22:21.366 --> 00:22:24.230
way to do it anymore now before you

00:22:24.430 --> 00:22:26.131
you had to have the gutters you had

00:22:26.171 --> 00:22:29.213
to have that that white page and

00:22:29.654 --> 00:22:31.175
everything had to be confined to those

00:22:31.236 --> 00:22:34.598
boxes and you know image was really the

00:22:34.659 --> 00:22:36.160
first one that kind of came along and

00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:37.521
said yeah we ain't doing none of that

00:22:37.642 --> 00:22:40.564
and then doing like the whole inner page

00:22:40.604 --> 00:22:42.987
is just a giant splash page you know

00:22:43.007 --> 00:22:43.086
yeah

00:22:44.790 --> 00:22:46.031
i i'm i'm i'm in the middle of

00:22:46.071 --> 00:22:47.571
reading for the first time i haven't

00:22:47.592 --> 00:22:50.073
finished it uh powers i don't know why

00:22:50.113 --> 00:22:51.333
it took me this long to read it

00:22:51.353 --> 00:22:53.173
it's been on my my list forever yeah

00:22:53.453 --> 00:22:55.674
and i'm just noticing i guess when retro

00:22:55.694 --> 00:22:58.155
girl is murdered they they're and they're

00:22:59.690 --> 00:23:02.071
they are... Not a spoiler, by the way.

00:23:02.092 --> 00:23:04.233
It's in the beginning of the...

00:23:04.374 --> 00:23:08.457
They are giving background for what...

00:23:08.777 --> 00:23:11.459
I guess how the city thinks of her.

00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.362
And it's... Yeah, the bottom of the page,

00:23:14.422 --> 00:23:16.123
just these panels that are...

00:23:16.143 --> 00:23:18.023
These little mini panels scrunched

00:23:18.605 --> 00:23:21.227
underneath the actual panels of the page.

00:23:21.807 --> 00:23:23.167
And I'm like, wow, that is so...

00:23:24.730 --> 00:23:27.230
it's like on one hand i'm like this

00:23:27.270 --> 00:23:28.810
is this looks a little clunky but on

00:23:28.851 --> 00:23:30.251
the other hand it's like oh i don't

00:23:30.332 --> 00:23:32.192
even need it i could take or leave

00:23:32.271 --> 00:23:34.313
it and that's kind of the connotation of

00:23:34.373 --> 00:23:35.553
it and i thought that was really

00:23:35.573 --> 00:23:37.634
interesting it's like oh yeah like that's

00:23:37.653 --> 00:23:38.634
the whole point of it it's like i

00:23:38.653 --> 00:23:40.474
could i could read this or i don't

00:23:40.515 --> 00:23:42.796
have to and that's the page is telling

00:23:42.816 --> 00:23:43.135
me that

00:23:43.455 --> 00:23:45.478
which is pretty cool.

00:23:45.498 --> 00:23:45.577
Yeah.

00:23:45.597 --> 00:23:46.518
So it's just things like, yeah,

00:23:46.597 --> 00:23:48.579
I appreciated that from like image as

00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:50.820
usual really did like set the whole, like,

00:23:50.840 --> 00:23:52.303
what if we do this instead, you know,

00:23:52.323 --> 00:23:53.303
or understand.

00:23:53.323 --> 00:23:55.085
They kind of just said, okay,

00:23:55.125 --> 00:23:57.165
here's the traditional rules and here's

00:23:57.185 --> 00:23:57.787
the shredder.

00:23:57.967 --> 00:23:59.127
And yeah,

00:23:59.448 --> 00:24:00.449
we're going to do what we want.

00:24:00.648 --> 00:24:01.548
We're going to experiment.

00:24:01.568 --> 00:24:03.070
We're going to find what works and what

00:24:03.151 --> 00:24:03.790
doesn't work.

00:24:04.432 --> 00:24:04.592
Yeah.

00:24:04.632 --> 00:24:05.211
If it doesn't work,

00:24:05.231 --> 00:24:06.073
they're going to tell us.

00:24:06.093 --> 00:24:07.134
Yeah.

00:24:07.213 --> 00:24:07.374
Yeah.

00:24:08.512 --> 00:24:10.614
Yeah, food for thought.

00:24:11.034 --> 00:24:11.534
Food for thought.

00:24:11.574 --> 00:24:12.634
Yeah.

00:24:12.693 --> 00:24:12.933
I mean,

00:24:12.953 --> 00:24:14.474
we just had this conversation before we

00:24:14.515 --> 00:24:15.154
went live.

00:24:15.914 --> 00:24:17.816
Mm-hmm.

00:24:17.875 --> 00:24:18.256
About?

00:24:19.016 --> 00:24:20.777
About your book.

00:24:20.836 --> 00:24:21.376
Yes.

00:24:21.757 --> 00:24:23.198
About, well, yeah, I mean,

00:24:23.238 --> 00:24:23.917
it's definitely...

00:24:24.835 --> 00:24:24.974
I mean,

00:24:25.015 --> 00:24:26.155
I'm probably the only person who's

00:24:26.215 --> 00:24:27.616
actually read it right now,

00:24:28.037 --> 00:24:29.597
and I'm not going to give any spoilers.

00:24:30.358 --> 00:24:31.118
But, you know,

00:24:31.138 --> 00:24:32.200
it was one of those where... Yeah,

00:24:32.220 --> 00:24:33.060
let's talk about it.

00:24:33.080 --> 00:24:33.721
We should talk about it.

00:24:33.740 --> 00:24:34.882
You want to talk about it?

00:24:34.981 --> 00:24:36.262
Let's talk about the actual comic book.

00:24:36.522 --> 00:24:38.344
Let's talk about the actual comic book.

00:24:38.364 --> 00:24:39.944
That was literally my segue into it,

00:24:40.005 --> 00:24:40.266
actually.

00:24:40.286 --> 00:24:40.806
I appreciate that.

00:24:40.865 --> 00:24:43.468
Yeah.

00:24:43.488 --> 00:24:45.548
So let's step inside the world itself,

00:24:45.608 --> 00:24:45.729
man.

00:24:45.909 --> 00:24:47.990
PowerScape has taken place in twenty seven

00:24:48.030 --> 00:24:48.570
ninety eight.

00:24:49.071 --> 00:24:50.952
Civilization is surviving within these

00:24:50.972 --> 00:24:53.114
franchise city and they're powered by

00:24:53.153 --> 00:24:53.515
Korra.

00:24:54.295 --> 00:24:59.019
energy which was given to them by aliens

00:24:59.898 --> 00:25:02.201
yeah that's right aliens finally visited

00:25:02.340 --> 00:25:06.124
earth to help us on frick ourselves that's

00:25:06.163 --> 00:25:09.067
what it took yeah but let's not get

00:25:09.086 --> 00:25:10.307
for those in the real world let's not

00:25:10.326 --> 00:25:12.749
do that okay let's let's not get to

00:25:12.769 --> 00:25:14.590
that point where aliens have to visit us

00:25:14.611 --> 00:25:18.493
to help us survive but again society is

00:25:18.574 --> 00:25:20.715
revolving around this massive competitive

00:25:20.776 --> 00:25:22.317
event known as powerball

00:25:24.897 --> 00:25:25.558
Now, Donald,

00:25:26.219 --> 00:25:29.020
can you let everybody know exactly what

00:25:29.281 --> 00:25:33.825
Powerball is?

00:25:33.884 --> 00:25:37.127
So it's a game that is played on

00:25:37.428 --> 00:25:39.990
a variety of different fields depending on

00:25:40.050 --> 00:25:41.090
which city you're in.

00:25:42.332 --> 00:25:44.574
The one that we open on is New

00:25:44.614 --> 00:25:45.315
Caledonia,

00:25:45.335 --> 00:25:48.477
which is essentially Seattle and Vancouver

00:25:48.557 --> 00:25:49.878
and everything in between.

00:25:50.398 --> 00:25:52.220
and parts of Portland just kind of like

00:25:52.299 --> 00:25:54.901
put together in a region as a mega

00:25:54.961 --> 00:25:58.222
city that is under a dome of, yeah,

00:25:58.403 --> 00:26:01.805
of manufactured atmosphere that this core

00:26:01.865 --> 00:26:03.565
energy keeps sustaining.

00:26:04.625 --> 00:26:06.767
Their field is called Omega Field because

00:26:06.807 --> 00:26:08.867
it's essentially almost like a gravity

00:26:08.907 --> 00:26:09.188
loop,

00:26:09.327 --> 00:26:11.088
except it stops at the top where there's,

00:26:11.108 --> 00:26:12.829
right where the hooves of the horseshoe

00:26:12.849 --> 00:26:13.349
basically,

00:26:13.369 --> 00:26:14.250
you have a goal here and a goal

00:26:14.270 --> 00:26:14.471
there.

00:26:15.771 --> 00:26:18.433
There are seven players on the field for

00:26:18.493 --> 00:26:19.013
each team,

00:26:19.054 --> 00:26:20.694
so there's four team players all together.

00:26:22.977 --> 00:26:24.817
These Arbiter bots,

00:26:24.857 --> 00:26:26.058
who are sort of the reps,

00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:27.599
drop down out of the ship.

00:26:29.362 --> 00:26:30.482
There's three of them,

00:26:30.522 --> 00:26:33.244
and each one of them have a ball

00:26:34.266 --> 00:26:36.426
of core called Core Ball.

00:26:36.487 --> 00:26:38.608
More and more as I'm writing it,

00:26:39.449 --> 00:26:41.230
the slang of it is a seaball or

00:26:41.250 --> 00:26:42.511
a sea, which I'm like...

00:26:42.932 --> 00:26:46.594
Could be a drug, but hey, you know.

00:26:46.614 --> 00:26:48.494
And so the core ball- Give it a

00:26:48.535 --> 00:26:49.395
leak, it'll be a drug.

00:26:49.855 --> 00:26:50.796
Yeah, probably.

00:26:51.136 --> 00:26:53.198
So the core ball is dropped out of

00:26:53.518 --> 00:26:54.178
one of the refs,

00:26:54.979 --> 00:26:56.578
drops onto the field like a jump ball

00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:57.319
almost, right?

00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:00.721
And the players have to get it,

00:27:00.761 --> 00:27:02.823
and the job is to get it across

00:27:02.863 --> 00:27:04.963
the field to either,

00:27:05.003 --> 00:27:05.865
if you're the home team,

00:27:06.164 --> 00:27:08.705
it goes into a module pipeline that leads

00:27:08.746 --> 00:27:11.307
to the city grid that powers it

00:27:11.327 --> 00:27:11.827
immediately,

00:27:12.428 --> 00:27:14.269
or if you're the away team it goes

00:27:14.309 --> 00:27:16.592
into a module pipeline that leads into the

00:27:16.692 --> 00:27:19.614
your shuttle that you came in uh and

00:27:19.634 --> 00:27:20.795
then you bring it back to your city

00:27:21.055 --> 00:27:24.518
uh if anyone breaks any rules if anyone

00:27:24.577 --> 00:27:26.680
does any of infractions or they violate

00:27:26.700 --> 00:27:27.961
the game in any way like this like

00:27:27.980 --> 00:27:29.061
you try to keep one of them for

00:27:29.102 --> 00:27:32.404
yourselves the arbiter bots uh basically

00:27:32.545 --> 00:27:36.067
uh sanction you uh and which can be

00:27:36.407 --> 00:27:38.609
anyways you know you know usually

00:27:38.630 --> 00:27:39.770
including death

00:27:40.490 --> 00:27:40.892
So it's pretty...

00:27:40.971 --> 00:27:42.772
And that's literally one of the only rules

00:27:42.813 --> 00:27:44.134
because... Yeah.

00:27:45.193 --> 00:27:45.755
I mean,

00:27:45.775 --> 00:27:47.375
there's a scene where he opens up and

00:27:47.615 --> 00:27:50.597
the new star player gets his whole knee

00:27:51.378 --> 00:27:52.118
locked off.

00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:53.880
Yeah, yeah.

00:27:55.101 --> 00:27:56.321
He learns very... Yeah,

00:27:56.521 --> 00:27:57.261
right out of the gates,

00:27:57.281 --> 00:27:58.983
there's an accident on New Caledonia's

00:27:59.044 --> 00:28:00.545
side because these are all players who

00:28:00.565 --> 00:28:01.625
haven't played with each other yet.

00:28:02.445 --> 00:28:03.386
And yes, and they're players,

00:28:03.426 --> 00:28:06.087
but they're also... Their archetype...

00:28:06.269 --> 00:28:07.890
The characters are... They look very...

00:28:08.589 --> 00:28:09.410
They're superpowered.

00:28:10.871 --> 00:28:14.752
You're given a genetic therapy as part of

00:28:14.772 --> 00:28:15.634
your player training,

00:28:16.013 --> 00:28:17.934
and it does something and changes your

00:28:18.154 --> 00:28:19.336
body in a way that gives you some

00:28:19.355 --> 00:28:20.936
kind of a superpower, unlocks it,

00:28:21.297 --> 00:28:22.897
but nobody really ever knows what it is.

00:28:22.917 --> 00:28:24.558
It's an unpredictable power.

00:28:24.898 --> 00:28:27.539
So the players themselves have to kind of

00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:29.701
train and then also know what their power

00:28:29.820 --> 00:28:30.481
is, but also...

00:28:30.961 --> 00:28:33.823
be good enough at whatever this power is

00:28:34.203 --> 00:28:35.864
that they're able to work within the team

00:28:35.903 --> 00:28:36.324
system.

00:28:36.644 --> 00:28:38.766
And as we see in the beginning of

00:28:38.786 --> 00:28:41.287
the series right now, the Stargazers,

00:28:41.326 --> 00:28:43.367
who is our New Caledonia team,

00:28:43.387 --> 00:28:45.969
they're not good playing with each other.

00:28:46.088 --> 00:28:46.568
And yeah,

00:28:46.588 --> 00:28:50.171
they basically friendly fire one of their

00:28:50.191 --> 00:28:50.750
guys here.

00:28:51.691 --> 00:28:54.573
And then they're scrambling and they have

00:28:54.593 --> 00:28:54.913
to play.

00:28:55.532 --> 00:28:57.733
And then the substitute of the substitute

00:28:57.773 --> 00:28:59.354
don't even know what her powers are yet.

00:28:59.554 --> 00:29:02.434
Like they haven't manifested.

00:29:02.494 --> 00:29:03.394
Yeah, not yet.

00:29:03.414 --> 00:29:04.035
Not yet.

00:29:04.174 --> 00:29:05.076
They will.

00:29:07.675 --> 00:29:09.457
This was one that, yeah,

00:29:09.497 --> 00:29:11.136
you were saying that the cliffhanger

00:29:11.176 --> 00:29:11.958
frustrated you.

00:29:12.198 --> 00:29:15.438
And I get it because I had to

00:29:15.458 --> 00:29:17.378
make a tough call to split the game

00:29:17.419 --> 00:29:18.358
up into two issues.

00:29:19.819 --> 00:29:21.619
Because I try as I did,

00:29:21.700 --> 00:29:24.121
I could not end this game in one

00:29:24.280 --> 00:29:24.540
issue.

00:29:26.131 --> 00:29:28.291
Part of me wanted to because I figured

00:29:28.332 --> 00:29:30.073
it would be an easier, a better showcase.

00:29:30.173 --> 00:29:33.236
But I wanted to establish, again,

00:29:33.355 --> 00:29:35.576
I wanted to think character more so than

00:29:35.938 --> 00:29:37.057
story world, I guess.

00:29:37.459 --> 00:29:39.940
And so I'm really trying to get us

00:29:40.161 --> 00:29:42.561
to establish who this main character is.

00:29:43.722 --> 00:29:44.503
And so, yeah,

00:29:44.723 --> 00:29:46.884
you're basically getting the game.

00:29:47.465 --> 00:29:49.186
You don't necessarily get the end of this

00:29:49.227 --> 00:29:49.827
game yet.

00:29:50.468 --> 00:29:51.308
You will in the next issue.

00:29:51.328 --> 00:29:51.429
Yeah.

00:29:52.098 --> 00:29:53.798
But it's yeah,

00:29:54.140 --> 00:29:57.941
it's it's essentially we don't quite know

00:29:58.020 --> 00:30:00.881
yet, you know, what her power is.

00:30:01.181 --> 00:30:03.561
We do see her being resourceful enough.

00:30:03.582 --> 00:30:04.662
She knows what to do on the field.

00:30:05.382 --> 00:30:06.163
This is Gala, right?

00:30:06.363 --> 00:30:06.522
Yep.

00:30:07.242 --> 00:30:08.182
Yeah.

00:30:08.262 --> 00:30:09.182
And you can kind of tell,

00:30:09.242 --> 00:30:11.423
like when she is introduced that,

00:30:11.463 --> 00:30:11.784
you know,

00:30:11.804 --> 00:30:13.444
there's something special about her and

00:30:13.484 --> 00:30:14.825
people are feeling like.

00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:17.280
There is something there and there's

00:30:17.340 --> 00:30:19.261
something special about this person.

00:30:20.423 --> 00:30:22.344
It's just not yet.

00:30:22.584 --> 00:30:24.184
Like you're not seeing yet.

00:30:24.924 --> 00:30:26.766
And my fresh, like,

00:30:26.865 --> 00:30:27.747
I know we were talking about my

00:30:27.767 --> 00:30:30.607
frustrations with the book is like, it's,

00:30:30.749 --> 00:30:32.529
I love the story and I'm not taking

00:30:32.690 --> 00:30:33.869
anything away from the story.

00:30:33.930 --> 00:30:38.133
Like that issue is with the goal being

00:30:38.272 --> 00:30:38.853
scored.

00:30:39.854 --> 00:30:40.713
And I'm just like,

00:30:42.515 --> 00:30:43.655
let there be one more page.

00:30:44.917 --> 00:30:48.880
And it's right there, so I'm just like,

00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:50.480
come on, man.

00:30:51.141 --> 00:30:52.820
Oh, wait a minute.

00:30:52.840 --> 00:30:53.221
Wait a minute.

00:30:54.301 --> 00:30:55.561
Did you read up to twenty-four?

00:30:56.603 --> 00:30:59.443
Did you read up to twenty-four?

00:30:59.483 --> 00:31:00.423
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did, yeah.

00:31:00.443 --> 00:31:02.224
There was a few pages that wouldn't work.

00:31:02.265 --> 00:31:03.484
Like, I couldn't get them to open.

00:31:04.145 --> 00:31:05.445
So there was a few pages that did

00:31:05.465 --> 00:31:06.126
get skipped.

00:31:06.547 --> 00:31:07.406
There are more pages.

00:31:07.426 --> 00:31:10.488
Oh, okay.

00:31:10.508 --> 00:31:11.189
So that's what it was.

00:31:11.229 --> 00:31:11.449
But no,

00:31:11.568 --> 00:31:13.269
there was a few pages within the...

00:31:15.252 --> 00:31:17.954
the Microsoft, you know, that went open.

00:31:18.394 --> 00:31:19.215
I know what happened.

00:31:19.256 --> 00:31:20.276
That might have been one of them.

00:31:20.615 --> 00:31:21.737
Because I uploaded them late.

00:31:22.037 --> 00:31:22.857
I uploaded them late.

00:31:23.097 --> 00:31:23.438
That's right.

00:31:24.219 --> 00:31:25.358
The lettering wasn't done yet.

00:31:25.479 --> 00:31:26.660
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:27.480
I'll have to go back.

00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:28.580
Yeah, keep reading.

00:31:28.721 --> 00:31:29.162
Yeah, let me know.

00:31:29.182 --> 00:31:29.501
Yeah.

00:31:30.583 --> 00:31:31.202
My bad.

00:31:31.262 --> 00:31:31.923
My bad.

00:31:32.023 --> 00:31:32.743
Yeah, no, all good.

00:31:32.763 --> 00:31:33.243
All good.

00:31:33.364 --> 00:31:33.625
Oh, yeah.

00:31:33.644 --> 00:31:34.404
No, I wouldn't end it.

00:31:34.464 --> 00:31:35.266
I know what you're talking about.

00:31:35.306 --> 00:31:36.105
I wouldn't end it just there.

00:31:36.125 --> 00:31:37.586
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:37.606 --> 00:31:37.686
Okay.

00:31:37.707 --> 00:31:38.126
Because I was like,

00:31:38.146 --> 00:31:41.409
you've got to be shitting me, Donald.

00:31:41.450 --> 00:31:43.490
You were talking about some dirty tactics.

00:31:44.420 --> 00:31:45.402
Yeah, no, I was going to say,

00:31:45.461 --> 00:31:46.462
I was like, cause you were like,

00:31:46.584 --> 00:31:47.124
oh yeah, I don't.

00:31:47.144 --> 00:31:48.346
And I'm like, well,

00:31:48.727 --> 00:31:51.471
there's definitely a very specific sort of

00:31:51.550 --> 00:31:54.215
revelation, you know, but yeah, yeah,

00:31:54.576 --> 00:31:54.675
yeah.

00:31:54.717 --> 00:31:55.057
It's all good.

00:31:55.116 --> 00:31:55.498
Cause I mean,

00:31:55.557 --> 00:31:58.542
we see Gala get like KTFO'd basically.

00:31:59.758 --> 00:32:01.878
And then the goal is scored,

00:32:02.318 --> 00:32:03.298
and then for me,

00:32:03.398 --> 00:32:04.778
because I didn't have those other pages

00:32:04.818 --> 00:32:05.098
yet,

00:32:05.598 --> 00:32:07.019
and I didn't put two and two together

00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:08.619
to go to the other folder that you

00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.320
had sent me to finish reading it.

00:32:11.760 --> 00:32:12.760
Yeah, when you said PTFO,

00:32:12.780 --> 00:32:15.922
do you mean you saw what happens, right?

00:32:16.301 --> 00:32:18.482
Yeah, when he gets into her head.

00:32:18.942 --> 00:32:20.282
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:20.323 --> 00:32:20.923
That keeps going.

00:32:21.343 --> 00:32:22.163
That keeps going.

00:32:22.183 --> 00:32:22.564
Oh, okay.

00:32:22.703 --> 00:32:23.443
Yeah, that keeps going.

00:32:24.145 --> 00:32:26.749
So I'll have to go back and reread

00:32:26.828 --> 00:32:28.190
it because there's a few pages,

00:32:28.230 --> 00:32:28.830
like I said.

00:32:29.751 --> 00:32:30.353
I feel like a dumbass.

00:32:30.413 --> 00:32:31.433
I feel like I just ruined your story

00:32:31.513 --> 00:32:33.435
experience of the thing because now you're

00:32:33.516 --> 00:32:39.741
going to be like, okay, all right now.

00:32:39.781 --> 00:32:41.443
It's one of those where I'm so invested

00:32:41.503 --> 00:32:43.085
in it right now that I'm just like,

00:32:43.405 --> 00:32:45.548
I have to read it no matter what

00:32:45.567 --> 00:32:45.867
now.

00:32:45.907 --> 00:32:46.248
Yeah.

00:32:47.461 --> 00:32:49.363
That would honestly, if I ended it there,

00:32:49.462 --> 00:32:50.143
I probably,

00:32:50.323 --> 00:32:51.344
I wouldn't blame you if you were like,

00:32:51.384 --> 00:32:52.724
dude, don't, don't do this anymore.

00:32:52.785 --> 00:32:54.286
Do go do, go do more theater.

00:32:55.086 --> 00:32:56.587
Yeah.

00:32:56.708 --> 00:32:59.891
I'll just call it your name, buddy.

00:32:59.971 --> 00:33:01.011
Always is.

00:33:01.071 --> 00:33:01.652
Always is.

00:33:02.011 --> 00:33:02.472
Always is.

00:33:04.334 --> 00:33:06.215
The casting Ottoman as well.

00:33:06.635 --> 00:33:08.076
Uh, yes, I, uh,

00:33:09.548 --> 00:33:12.574
I know everybody were joking about that,

00:33:12.594 --> 00:33:15.259
but he's in a play right now,

00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:17.304
so that's why I keep making the joke.

00:33:18.844 --> 00:33:19.223
Yeah,

00:33:19.523 --> 00:33:20.925
I'm in the middle of trying to finish

00:33:20.945 --> 00:33:21.625
this series.

00:33:22.186 --> 00:33:23.688
And right in the middle of it,

00:33:23.748 --> 00:33:24.888
I decided to go do Henry IV.

00:33:25.009 --> 00:33:27.330
And I don't know what I'm thinking.

00:33:27.351 --> 00:33:29.032
I don't know what I'm...

00:33:29.053 --> 00:33:31.454
But Henry IV in Langley,

00:33:31.535 --> 00:33:32.195
Bard in the Valley.

00:33:32.215 --> 00:33:33.237
I play Falstaff.

00:33:33.257 --> 00:33:34.258
It's going to be great fun.

00:33:34.478 --> 00:33:35.818
If anybody sees this and you're in the

00:33:35.898 --> 00:33:39.001
area, please come on by.

00:33:39.041 --> 00:33:39.823
That would be great.

00:33:39.843 --> 00:33:40.143
But that's...

00:33:40.563 --> 00:33:42.805
So for everybody listening or watching

00:33:42.904 --> 00:33:43.365
from...

00:33:44.770 --> 00:33:45.991
From, yes, I'm sorry, Langley,

00:33:46.011 --> 00:33:46.672
British Columbia.

00:33:47.192 --> 00:33:47.853
There we go.

00:33:47.992 --> 00:33:48.873
British Columbia.

00:33:49.313 --> 00:33:51.394
Which is why the team is the team.

00:33:52.535 --> 00:33:53.755
But essentially,

00:33:53.994 --> 00:33:55.955
to get into what you read so far,

00:33:56.656 --> 00:33:57.696
yeah, as you can see,

00:33:58.057 --> 00:33:59.317
it's a brutal sport.

00:33:59.438 --> 00:34:00.137
It's a brutal game.

00:34:00.157 --> 00:34:02.578
Oh, it's so brutal and it's so lovely.

00:34:03.019 --> 00:34:03.599
Yeah.

00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:05.401
It's one of those where if we could

00:34:05.421 --> 00:34:07.060
see hits like that in modern day

00:34:07.101 --> 00:34:07.582
football...

00:34:08.782 --> 00:34:09.202
Again,

00:34:09.963 --> 00:34:11.483
not to the point where the leg is

00:34:11.523 --> 00:34:13.065
being like ripped off,

00:34:13.105 --> 00:34:15.065
but like just that brutality.

00:34:15.365 --> 00:34:15.626
Yeah.

00:34:16.085 --> 00:34:16.206
Well,

00:34:16.226 --> 00:34:17.626
you see what happens with with some of

00:34:17.646 --> 00:34:18.708
the other players, too, right?

00:34:18.748 --> 00:34:19.088
I mean,

00:34:19.208 --> 00:34:20.869
it's and a lot of it is the

00:34:20.909 --> 00:34:23.269
connotation is as as you're going to learn

00:34:23.309 --> 00:34:23.670
later,

00:34:24.050 --> 00:34:26.751
the medical science is heavily invested

00:34:26.811 --> 00:34:26.952
in.

00:34:27.331 --> 00:34:29.554
So these players are it's it's a lot

00:34:29.594 --> 00:34:31.195
easier to repair them than twenty first

00:34:31.235 --> 00:34:33.295
century medical science now.

00:34:34.195 --> 00:34:36.697
You just reattach that shit now.

00:34:37.914 --> 00:34:39.275
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:39.315 --> 00:34:41.717
But but the first of all,

00:34:41.737 --> 00:34:43.739
it doesn't always go the way they

00:34:43.778 --> 00:34:44.260
predicted.

00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.041
And secondly, as you're going to see,

00:34:47.121 --> 00:34:49.143
I mean, you know, as we know, right,

00:34:49.182 --> 00:34:50.364
when you get injured and this is I

00:34:50.403 --> 00:34:51.804
think this is what I'm writing a lot

00:34:51.844 --> 00:34:52.826
in this story as well,

00:34:52.865 --> 00:34:55.347
because I've had multiple injuries and

00:34:55.507 --> 00:34:57.068
technically on paper, they're OK.

00:34:57.548 --> 00:35:00.590
But psychologically, that's still there.

00:35:01.092 --> 00:35:02.833
And and and you can only do this

00:35:02.873 --> 00:35:04.054
so much as a person.

00:35:04.494 --> 00:35:07.034
before it starts to wear on you right

00:35:07.074 --> 00:35:09.815
yeah and uh and and that's that's kind

00:35:09.835 --> 00:35:11.876
of a hidden little i don't want to

00:35:11.896 --> 00:35:14.358
say a subplot but it's a it's it's

00:35:14.378 --> 00:35:16.077
a piece of the development for sure it's

00:35:16.097 --> 00:35:17.798
especially going to be a development for

00:35:17.838 --> 00:35:22.021
kai because um kai first came out the

00:35:22.121 --> 00:35:25.402
gate man he's he's done it's awful it's

00:35:25.541 --> 00:35:26.681
awful isn't it knee count

00:35:28.342 --> 00:35:29.625
There's a lot of, you know,

00:35:29.844 --> 00:35:31.987
I'm somebody who, yeah,

00:35:32.648 --> 00:35:34.731
I was rubbing elbows with a lot of

00:35:35.311 --> 00:35:37.072
people who turned into like professional

00:35:37.634 --> 00:35:38.594
celebrities, whatever.

00:35:39.155 --> 00:35:41.778
And I think in the entertainment world,

00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:44.081
and there's that feeling where you...

00:35:44.782 --> 00:35:46.083
You kind of look back and you realize

00:35:46.103 --> 00:35:46.503
like, man,

00:35:46.523 --> 00:35:48.065
there's certain things that like, damn,

00:35:48.105 --> 00:35:48.284
like,

00:35:48.525 --> 00:35:50.447
I didn't even get the chance to this.

00:35:50.606 --> 00:35:52.409
I didn't even know that that that right

00:35:52.429 --> 00:35:54.110
there kind of sealed my fate with some

00:35:54.150 --> 00:35:54.951
with something, you know,

00:35:54.990 --> 00:35:56.492
and I don't want to get into it

00:35:56.532 --> 00:35:56.791
too much.

00:35:56.811 --> 00:35:57.393
But I got into like,

00:35:57.413 --> 00:35:59.114
I remember a board meeting for

00:35:59.193 --> 00:36:00.755
representation when I was young out of

00:36:00.815 --> 00:36:01.596
college and

00:36:03.378 --> 00:36:04.217
I didn't realize,

00:36:04.338 --> 00:36:06.039
but I was I was kind of on

00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.362
a handshake contract with a manager who

00:36:08.402 --> 00:36:10.384
did not like the head of this agency

00:36:10.463 --> 00:36:11.344
I was interviewing for.

00:36:11.364 --> 00:36:12.585
And the two of them hated each other.

00:36:13.025 --> 00:36:14.407
And so, yeah,

00:36:14.447 --> 00:36:16.009
so I got I got double rejected as

00:36:16.028 --> 00:36:16.489
a nephew.

00:36:16.809 --> 00:36:18.251
I got rejected by one as a nephew

00:36:18.271 --> 00:36:19.072
to one of them.

00:36:19.092 --> 00:36:19.713
And then I got drunk.

00:36:19.773 --> 00:36:19.893
Yeah.

00:36:20.753 --> 00:36:21.494
And it was all, like,

00:36:21.534 --> 00:36:23.454
just playing games with each other over,

00:36:23.494 --> 00:36:24.416
like, eight titles.

00:36:24.476 --> 00:36:26.137
But I was the collateral.

00:36:26.697 --> 00:36:28.257
And they don't care.

00:36:28.398 --> 00:36:30.320
They don't give a shit, yeah.

00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:30.780
And so, like,

00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:32.460
a lot of that is in, like,

00:36:32.481 --> 00:36:33.922
Kai's narrative is a lot of what I

00:36:33.981 --> 00:36:34.523
see with, like,

00:36:34.543 --> 00:36:36.324
a lot of younger people who are so

00:36:36.364 --> 00:36:37.804
talented and incredible at things.

00:36:38.164 --> 00:36:38.804
They have, like,

00:36:39.166 --> 00:36:40.646
you can see he's ambitious, right?

00:36:40.686 --> 00:36:41.947
And he's very, he's a little,

00:36:42.507 --> 00:36:44.188
he's kind of bought into the narrative,

00:36:44.248 --> 00:36:44.449
right?

00:36:44.489 --> 00:36:46.530
And so when his life is the narrative

00:36:46.590 --> 00:36:47.510
of, like, what you do as a, oh,

00:36:47.570 --> 00:36:48.931
yeah, I'm going to be a player celebrity.

00:36:48.952 --> 00:36:49.512
I'm going to do this.

00:36:49.532 --> 00:36:50.172
I'm going to get that.

00:36:50.213 --> 00:36:51.893
have this lined up for me and then

00:36:51.914 --> 00:36:53.815
when all of a sudden doors shut

00:36:53.855 --> 00:36:57.978
immediately snap dude yeah yeah yeah you

00:36:57.998 --> 00:37:01.159
know what's crazy is over the last like

00:37:01.380 --> 00:37:03.661
month and a half two months i've

00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:05.641
interviewed a lot of guys like under the

00:37:05.722 --> 00:37:08.643
age of thirty building these fantastic

00:37:08.684 --> 00:37:10.144
comic book universes

00:37:11.164 --> 00:37:12.385
And it's one of those where I'm like,

00:37:13.186 --> 00:37:16.206
I hope they're still here next year,

00:37:16.726 --> 00:37:18.547
this time.

00:37:18.987 --> 00:37:20.608
And I'm not knocking them.

00:37:20.688 --> 00:37:23.550
They are extremely talented writers or

00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:24.251
artists.

00:37:24.831 --> 00:37:27.092
They are really good with big ideas.

00:37:27.831 --> 00:37:31.353
And it's one of those where I hope

00:37:31.393 --> 00:37:32.634
they have the,

00:37:35.434 --> 00:37:36.355
what's the word I'm looking for?

00:37:36.394 --> 00:37:39.637
The mentality to make it through

00:37:40.583 --> 00:37:42.224
what they are about to put themselves

00:37:42.264 --> 00:37:42.463
through.

00:37:42.523 --> 00:37:43.945
And there's a few who they've got a

00:37:43.965 --> 00:37:45.246
few titles under their belt.

00:37:45.806 --> 00:37:47.726
I'm not worried about those per se,

00:37:48.887 --> 00:37:50.409
but it's the ones who are just coming

00:37:50.489 --> 00:37:51.068
up and they're like,

00:37:51.148 --> 00:37:52.349
I'm going to do this on my own.

00:37:52.409 --> 00:37:53.391
I'm going to do it this way.

00:37:53.411 --> 00:37:54.431
I'm going to do it that way.

00:37:54.952 --> 00:37:55.532
And that's great.

00:37:55.692 --> 00:37:56.932
I want you to do that.

00:37:57.012 --> 00:37:57.713
That's the way to do it.

00:37:57.733 --> 00:37:59.193
You need that too.

00:37:59.253 --> 00:38:00.155
You need that.

00:38:00.175 --> 00:38:01.215
You have to establish.

00:38:01.416 --> 00:38:01.596
Yeah.

00:38:01.615 --> 00:38:03.336
You have to establish yourself.

00:38:03.916 --> 00:38:04.436
Yep.

00:38:04.456 --> 00:38:05.657
But at the same time,

00:38:05.878 --> 00:38:07.659
those are the ones I also worry about

00:38:07.739 --> 00:38:08.260
because I,

00:38:09.197 --> 00:38:10.898
They're at it by themselves,

00:38:11.458 --> 00:38:13.320
and I don't know who's mentoring them.

00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:16.903
I don't know who's guiding them along this

00:38:16.943 --> 00:38:18.164
journey.

00:38:18.184 --> 00:38:19.405
Who are you talking to?

00:38:20.487 --> 00:38:24.050
As we discover,

00:38:25.590 --> 00:38:27.231
we're in a world and an industry,

00:38:27.612 --> 00:38:28.994
especially the entertainment and the

00:38:29.054 --> 00:38:30.114
content industry.

00:38:30.434 --> 00:38:32.456
It's a world where it is very easy

00:38:32.856 --> 00:38:34.938
for a big fish to take advantage of,

00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:36.619
to play with their food with little fish

00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:37.701
before they gobble them up.

00:38:38.041 --> 00:38:39.782
And you know what I think is really

00:38:39.842 --> 00:38:40.121
funny?

00:38:43.925 --> 00:38:44.824
I think of like,

00:38:45.806 --> 00:38:47.047
I've been really thinking about this a lot

00:38:47.086 --> 00:38:50.608
lately of all of the cultural icons that

00:38:50.949 --> 00:38:54.311
their lives were so clearly not belonging

00:38:54.351 --> 00:38:56.373
to them and that there were so many

00:38:56.432 --> 00:38:57.833
things in them that actually if they got

00:38:57.853 --> 00:38:58.994
the chance to do what they wanted to

00:38:59.014 --> 00:38:59.195
do,

00:38:59.574 --> 00:39:00.876
we might've remembered them for something

00:39:00.916 --> 00:39:01.755
completely different.

00:39:03.016 --> 00:39:05.460
Elvis comes to mind like Elvis manager

00:39:05.521 --> 00:39:07.943
being like the most and we don't think

00:39:07.983 --> 00:39:09.164
of that with Elvis you know we're like

00:39:09.204 --> 00:39:10.586
oh yeah he got addicted to drugs you

00:39:10.606 --> 00:39:11.989
know whatever died on the toilet blah blah

00:39:12.009 --> 00:39:14.751
blah but it's like no he he he

00:39:14.771 --> 00:39:16.614
was actually his whole career was being

00:39:16.753 --> 00:39:19.757
steered by this other guy who was taking

00:39:19.797 --> 00:39:20.840
his money like

00:39:21.340 --> 00:39:23.041
He had no say so whatsoever.

00:39:23.161 --> 00:39:25.744
His tour in Vegas, the whole nine,

00:39:26.423 --> 00:39:27.425
none of it was his.

00:39:27.485 --> 00:39:28.885
And to be fair,

00:39:28.925 --> 00:39:30.246
he would have probably been done at a

00:39:30.286 --> 00:39:31.148
much younger age,

00:39:31.168 --> 00:39:33.110
just living his happy life in Memphis.

00:39:34.123 --> 00:39:34.463
You're right.

00:39:34.784 --> 00:39:36.626
Might have actually started making

00:39:36.686 --> 00:39:37.527
different music.

00:39:37.568 --> 00:39:40.751
Music that's maybe something that he

00:39:40.791 --> 00:39:42.634
connected to more or something.

00:39:43.876 --> 00:39:44.295
And yet,

00:39:45.918 --> 00:39:47.679
I remember I watched his last concert

00:39:48.081 --> 00:39:48.922
before he passed.

00:39:49.402 --> 00:39:50.923
It wasn't good.

00:39:51.023 --> 00:39:51.965
Not only not good,

00:39:52.166 --> 00:39:53.166
but it was like a...

00:39:54.628 --> 00:39:56.951
The hundreds of towels that he's passing

00:39:57.070 --> 00:39:57.231
out,

00:39:57.670 --> 00:39:59.713
and that it's like this is a caricature

00:39:59.833 --> 00:40:01.554
of this one thing you do that's like

00:40:01.574 --> 00:40:04.436
your signature cultural moniker,

00:40:04.496 --> 00:40:05.677
the thing everyone recognizes you.

00:40:06.338 --> 00:40:07.900
And there's a guy behind him who's just,

00:40:08.340 --> 00:40:10.161
every time he's unloading the scarf to an

00:40:10.242 --> 00:40:11.103
audience member, he's like,

00:40:11.182 --> 00:40:12.284
I got Elvis's scarf.

00:40:12.684 --> 00:40:14.967
I'm sorry, I'm just doing the...

00:40:15.447 --> 00:40:16.286
Just doing the reaction,

00:40:16.306 --> 00:40:17.628
what the lady looks like, I guess.

00:40:18.489 --> 00:40:20.409
There's a guy behind him who's putting

00:40:20.429 --> 00:40:21.329
another scarf on.

00:40:21.690 --> 00:40:24.030
And it was so metaphorical of like it's

00:40:24.070 --> 00:40:24.911
just never ending.

00:40:25.391 --> 00:40:28.813
And it's a literal burden on his neck

00:40:28.833 --> 00:40:31.375
that's not getting lighter because someone

00:40:31.394 --> 00:40:32.596
else keeps putting it on top of him.

00:40:33.096 --> 00:40:33.576
Oh, my God.

00:40:33.635 --> 00:40:34.556
I found that so interesting.

00:40:34.577 --> 00:40:36.277
Have you ever seen the president sign a

00:40:36.318 --> 00:40:38.838
document or sign a bill?

00:40:40.306 --> 00:40:41.027
Wait, you mean Nixon?

00:40:41.789 --> 00:40:43.951
Like any president whatsoever signed

00:40:43.971 --> 00:40:44.351
bills.

00:40:44.371 --> 00:40:46.673
I think I meant Nixon making Elvis the

00:40:46.795 --> 00:40:47.275
secret agent.

00:40:47.434 --> 00:40:47.635
He's like,

00:40:47.655 --> 00:40:48.436
I want to be a secret agent.

00:40:49.677 --> 00:40:49.938
No,

00:40:49.978 --> 00:40:51.579
I'm just talking about like each president

00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:53.461
as they sign a bill into law,

00:40:53.822 --> 00:40:57.306
they go P. Yeah.

00:40:57.947 --> 00:40:57.967
R.

00:41:01.193 --> 00:41:03.735
yeah because those pins are significant

00:41:03.775 --> 00:41:05.275
and they give them to other members of

00:41:05.315 --> 00:41:08.557
the cabinet they give them to whoever you

00:41:08.577 --> 00:41:11.380
know that is exhausting right dude imagine

00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:13.021
having to do that over and over and

00:41:13.161 --> 00:41:15.643
over again yeah or just being like a

00:41:15.922 --> 00:41:17.824
say a comic book creator for instance at

00:41:17.864 --> 00:41:21.387
a sign-in yeah and just be like uh

00:41:21.507 --> 00:41:22.608
you know p yeah

00:41:24.514 --> 00:41:25.476
Oh,

00:41:25.496 --> 00:41:27.456
that would be just so exhausting just to

00:41:27.496 --> 00:41:29.356
keep swapping pins.

00:41:29.456 --> 00:41:31.998
And there's a lot of creators who do

00:41:32.038 --> 00:41:32.358
that.

00:41:32.697 --> 00:41:32.978
Yeah,

00:41:33.018 --> 00:41:34.059
I got a lot of respect for people

00:41:34.099 --> 00:41:37.320
at conventions who do that.

00:41:37.579 --> 00:41:38.440
And they want to do that for the

00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:39.021
fans, right?

00:41:39.061 --> 00:41:40.760
They want to do it.

00:41:40.860 --> 00:41:41.101
Oh, yeah.

00:41:41.141 --> 00:41:42.362
I mean, I appreciate it wholeheartedly.

00:41:42.802 --> 00:41:44.724
absolutely but then yeah there's the

00:41:44.744 --> 00:41:46.885
there's the if they're you know with elvis

00:41:46.905 --> 00:41:49.807
it's the guy behind him that's like very

00:41:49.969 --> 00:41:52.590
subtly like you know it's the money it's

00:41:52.630 --> 00:41:54.733
the money around him that's that's moving

00:41:54.773 --> 00:41:56.373
him in this direction and it's now it's

00:41:56.414 --> 00:41:58.876
been it became such an like just uh

00:41:58.936 --> 00:42:01.278
and not to not to excuse personal choice

00:42:01.378 --> 00:42:03.000
right dude you can cut out anytime you

00:42:03.019 --> 00:42:05.862
want perhaps right but like that that's

00:42:05.983 --> 00:42:09.045
clearly i think more of the um

00:42:09.626 --> 00:42:11.728
the rule rather than the exception.

00:42:12.110 --> 00:42:14.552
And with pro sports, absolutely.

00:42:14.952 --> 00:42:15.213
Right.

00:42:15.333 --> 00:42:15.414
Well,

00:42:15.434 --> 00:42:17.436
those contracts at that time were ironclad

00:42:17.496 --> 00:42:18.036
and it said,

00:42:18.077 --> 00:42:20.599
you will owe me this much.

00:42:21.221 --> 00:42:21.481
Yeah.

00:42:21.902 --> 00:42:22.382
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:22.762 --> 00:42:24.525
That's true.

00:42:24.605 --> 00:42:25.346
And I think that

00:42:26.347 --> 00:42:27.668
uh you know it's interesting i there was

00:42:27.688 --> 00:42:29.670
another thing i was thinking of uh there's

00:42:29.690 --> 00:42:31.331
this famous story of marilyn monroe

00:42:31.813 --> 00:42:33.434
blowing like i think she goes through

00:42:33.494 --> 00:42:35.496
fifty five takes to say this line where's

00:42:35.516 --> 00:42:37.619
that where's that damn bourbon in a movie

00:42:37.878 --> 00:42:40.021
yeah she couldn't you know she was so

00:42:40.181 --> 00:42:41.563
oh high on medication and stuff she

00:42:41.583 --> 00:42:43.284
couldn't say it whatever um

00:42:44.184 --> 00:42:47.807
and it's actually not true she she could

00:42:48.128 --> 00:42:50.668
she said the take she did and and

00:42:50.688 --> 00:42:53.451
my my brain was like that's as from

00:42:53.490 --> 00:42:56.052
my experience with film you could find so

00:42:56.072 --> 00:42:58.074
many ways to just have that take and

00:42:58.114 --> 00:42:59.835
move on right yeah so what were they

00:42:59.856 --> 00:43:01.617
really doing they were breaking her

00:43:01.637 --> 00:43:04.518
because of her contract position because

00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.460
she was getting paid a certain rate that

00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:08.340
a lot of the other other actors weren't

00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:09.161
at that point and she

00:43:10.943 --> 00:43:12.003
You could say a lot of things about

00:43:12.043 --> 00:43:15.246
Marilyn Monroe and her state of mind,

00:43:15.286 --> 00:43:16.766
but she was a damn good negotiator.

00:43:16.867 --> 00:43:18.088
She actually understood how to get her

00:43:18.108 --> 00:43:18.347
money.

00:43:18.827 --> 00:43:20.028
And they hated her for that.

00:43:20.108 --> 00:43:22.771
So they were punishing her because it was

00:43:22.811 --> 00:43:24.431
in the contract that she couldn't... Yeah,

00:43:24.452 --> 00:43:25.313
if she walked off set,

00:43:25.353 --> 00:43:28.675
she would forfeit her money, basically.

00:43:29.076 --> 00:43:30.916
So it was a game of...

00:43:31.996 --> 00:43:33.137
Just ratting on her, yeah.

00:43:33.498 --> 00:43:35.139
Just like, fifty-five takes,

00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.179
just getting in her brain to try to

00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:39.039
break her, basically, right?

00:43:39.500 --> 00:43:42.101
And her doing it was probably her, like,

00:43:42.222 --> 00:43:43.882
okay, I know what you're trying to do,

00:43:44.342 --> 00:43:44.963
but I'm gonna do it.

00:43:44.983 --> 00:43:46.563
It's just like,

00:43:46.583 --> 00:43:47.923
I'm not gonna let you break my,

00:43:47.943 --> 00:43:49.585
you know, happy life off the set, right?

00:43:49.605 --> 00:43:49.885
Which is...

00:43:50.405 --> 00:43:52.927
just that i'm really fascinated with those

00:43:52.967 --> 00:43:54.730
games that people play in industries

00:43:55.110 --> 00:43:57.893
golden boy is probably a major symbol of

00:43:57.932 --> 00:44:00.516
that of somebody who's been with so much

00:44:00.896 --> 00:44:02.918
that he now is doing it back and

00:44:02.978 --> 00:44:04.280
he knows how to do it he knows

00:44:04.300 --> 00:44:06.021
how to use the crowds how to use

00:44:06.061 --> 00:44:07.384
the people right yeah

00:44:07.923 --> 00:44:08.784
Oh, I'm sure.

00:44:09.324 --> 00:44:10.443
And there is so many,

00:44:10.603 --> 00:44:12.485
like so much out there and it's all

00:44:12.525 --> 00:44:13.585
predatory, right?

00:44:13.985 --> 00:44:15.505
Like, yeah, they're not for you.

00:44:15.864 --> 00:44:16.806
They're not trying to help you.

00:44:16.826 --> 00:44:18.706
There's unfortunately a lot of predatory

00:44:18.925 --> 00:44:19.266
interests.

00:44:19.306 --> 00:44:19.565
Yeah.

00:44:19.885 --> 00:44:20.606
And there's, you know,

00:44:20.626 --> 00:44:22.306
there's spaces of people who support each

00:44:22.365 --> 00:44:24.746
other in communities, but, um, it's,

00:44:24.927 --> 00:44:25.507
it's tough.

00:44:25.606 --> 00:44:27.766
You have to really be able to trust

00:44:27.786 --> 00:44:29.288
people and you, you know, yeah.

00:44:29.307 --> 00:44:30.327
If you're young out there,

00:44:30.507 --> 00:44:32.208
I would just say be, just be,

00:44:32.307 --> 00:44:33.288
do just do your homework,

00:44:33.668 --> 00:44:34.307
do your homework.

00:44:34.407 --> 00:44:34.829
Right.

00:44:34.849 --> 00:44:35.608
Yeah.

00:44:35.969 --> 00:44:36.429
Yeah.

00:44:37.548 --> 00:44:42.735
But so powerscape and no,

00:44:42.755 --> 00:44:44.275
you can just sit here and just jibber

00:44:44.335 --> 00:44:46.398
jabber all night about comic books and

00:44:46.438 --> 00:44:47.760
everything else in between.

00:44:48.601 --> 00:44:49.362
But um,

00:44:49.382 --> 00:44:50.902
so who are some of these artists and

00:44:50.943 --> 00:44:52.925
your collaborators out there that help

00:44:52.965 --> 00:44:55.788
bring powerscape to life because it is

00:44:55.827 --> 00:44:59.012
such a visual piece of work?

00:45:00.050 --> 00:45:02.193
yeah i mean the the the the main

00:45:02.253 --> 00:45:05.474
artist is uh stefan tochev and uh stefan

00:45:05.494 --> 00:45:08.818
is a local guy whose comic book daybreak

00:45:08.838 --> 00:45:10.079
he or he did he did art for

00:45:10.099 --> 00:45:12.521
a comic book called daybreak and i saw

00:45:12.541 --> 00:45:14.543
it when i first got here when i

00:45:14.583 --> 00:45:16.764
first moved here from los angeles and i

00:45:16.864 --> 00:45:18.626
really i just had it i just bought

00:45:18.646 --> 00:45:19.786
it because i was like i am really

00:45:19.847 --> 00:45:22.268
fascinated by this style of art because it

00:45:22.329 --> 00:45:23.931
was at once

00:45:24.610 --> 00:45:26.711
Definitely like a guy who grew up watching

00:45:26.751 --> 00:45:27.271
cartoons,

00:45:27.291 --> 00:45:29.813
like the X-Men cartoon run or something

00:45:29.853 --> 00:45:31.213
like that, the way I did.

00:45:31.414 --> 00:45:35.496
But with just enough realism in it that

00:45:35.576 --> 00:45:37.317
the characters were really grounded.

00:45:38.197 --> 00:45:40.378
I felt like I was still watching people

00:45:40.398 --> 00:45:43.018
who lived by the physics of my earth

00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:43.699
in the story,

00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:45.760
even though it's very sci-fi.

00:45:47.780 --> 00:45:51.063
And he kept things so clean and simple.

00:45:51.766 --> 00:45:55.068
but also sleek and detailed.

00:45:57.347 --> 00:45:57.628
I was like,

00:45:57.648 --> 00:45:59.648
this is a very unique style.

00:45:59.929 --> 00:46:01.068
This guy's got something really,

00:46:01.568 --> 00:46:02.009
really unique.

00:46:02.269 --> 00:46:03.469
So in my head, I just was like,

00:46:03.489 --> 00:46:04.630
well, that's a really great artist.

00:46:04.929 --> 00:46:06.510
And then as I was racking my brain

00:46:06.530 --> 00:46:08.490
trying to reach out to artists for

00:46:09.391 --> 00:46:10.110
Powerscape,

00:46:11.291 --> 00:46:12.891
I was working with a group of consultants

00:46:12.911 --> 00:46:14.632
who were helping me organize.

00:46:15.213 --> 00:46:17.413
In an industry I never had been in

00:46:17.432 --> 00:46:17.753
before.

00:46:18.152 --> 00:46:19.773
And I asked them, I was like,

00:46:19.813 --> 00:46:20.034
you know,

00:46:21.123 --> 00:46:22.565
what if we just contact, I said,

00:46:22.605 --> 00:46:24.146
can we get someone who looks like this?

00:46:24.786 --> 00:46:26.387
And then as, as I'm looking at it,

00:46:26.407 --> 00:46:27.507
I'm like, wait, he lives here.

00:46:27.568 --> 00:46:28.829
And I'm like, can I just,

00:46:29.389 --> 00:46:30.891
can we just contact him?

00:46:30.931 --> 00:46:31.610
And so they did.

00:46:32.150 --> 00:46:34.193
And I had coffee with him and Stefan's

00:46:34.253 --> 00:46:36.173
really just like, you know, tell me what,

00:46:36.213 --> 00:46:37.175
what's the story I did.

00:46:37.215 --> 00:46:37.815
He's like, all right.

00:46:37.875 --> 00:46:38.255
Okay.

00:46:38.536 --> 00:46:38.876
Yeah.

00:46:38.916 --> 00:46:39.556
All right.

00:46:39.576 --> 00:46:39.876
Cool.

00:46:40.137 --> 00:46:41.257
And then he like goes home and then

00:46:41.297 --> 00:46:42.318
he just fires away.

00:46:42.338 --> 00:46:45.159
Like just gives me like, like, Holy shit.

00:46:45.179 --> 00:46:47.362
And he's like, yeah, I guess this,

00:46:47.422 --> 00:46:48.762
maybe this, I don't know, whatever.

00:46:49.202 --> 00:46:50.384
And you know, for him, it's like,

00:46:52.405 --> 00:46:55.226
I can see he enjoys working the chops.

00:46:55.385 --> 00:46:57.606
I told him to use the comic as

00:46:57.626 --> 00:46:59.807
a platform to just experiment and just do

00:47:00.027 --> 00:47:00.867
try stuff.

00:47:01.909 --> 00:47:03.829
I really enjoy our working relationship.

00:47:03.909 --> 00:47:05.530
We're very like, we're very,

00:47:05.570 --> 00:47:07.771
we're two different people, but he is,

00:47:08.132 --> 00:47:10.072
he like, you know,

00:47:10.193 --> 00:47:11.233
my whole thing is like,

00:47:11.713 --> 00:47:12.994
I don't care how it looks.

00:47:13.114 --> 00:47:14.954
Like I have what I think it looks

00:47:15.014 --> 00:47:16.536
like and I'll write notes,

00:47:16.856 --> 00:47:18.496
but I don't like to do panel like

00:47:18.516 --> 00:47:18.916
direction.

00:47:19.717 --> 00:47:21.378
um yeah i just i tell him like

00:47:21.898 --> 00:47:23.840
whatever you think makes sense let's try

00:47:23.900 --> 00:47:26.822
it and um like sometimes i don't want

00:47:26.862 --> 00:47:29.005
something a certain color you know he has

00:47:29.025 --> 00:47:31.186
a good way of being like uh yeah

00:47:31.226 --> 00:47:32.228
i think it's fine you know

00:47:34.978 --> 00:47:36.739
you know it's wild right because the book

00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:40.282
is very it's neon centric and what do

00:47:40.302 --> 00:47:42.644
i mean by neon centric i mean it's

00:47:43.346 --> 00:47:45.708
we're talking what what year is it twenty

00:47:45.768 --> 00:47:47.409
seven ninety eight things are very

00:47:47.550 --> 00:47:51.353
cyberpunk feeling yeah it's very the

00:47:51.454 --> 00:47:54.657
lights are very neon they're the goals are

00:47:54.697 --> 00:47:57.478
like neon lit you know it's

00:47:58.260 --> 00:47:59.621
And it's done purposely,

00:48:00.221 --> 00:48:03.664
but even the outfits that the players

00:48:03.704 --> 00:48:07.306
wear, they're very cyberpunk feeling,

00:48:07.326 --> 00:48:08.206
very neon.

00:48:09.266 --> 00:48:10.668
It's the same team,

00:48:10.688 --> 00:48:12.969
but everybody's like an individual.

00:48:13.429 --> 00:48:15.251
Yeah,

00:48:15.391 --> 00:48:18.353
Stefan was funny because he based a lot

00:48:18.393 --> 00:48:20.675
of the aesthetics on football.

00:48:21.476 --> 00:48:23.217
Yeah, football gear, right?

00:48:24.518 --> 00:48:25.938
And then he would be like,

00:48:27.056 --> 00:48:28.398
know i'd be like oh this is great

00:48:28.418 --> 00:48:29.820
dude were you were you thinking of like

00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:31.621
this guy right here like this way he

00:48:31.641 --> 00:48:32.981
looks and it's so it looks so much

00:48:33.021 --> 00:48:35.565
like like um you know like uh uh

00:48:35.784 --> 00:48:37.306
like watching growing up and watching like

00:48:37.346 --> 00:48:39.327
larry fitzgerald like did you do that on

00:48:39.367 --> 00:48:41.369
purpose and he's like dude i don't really

00:48:41.389 --> 00:48:42.911
like i don't really watch sports and i'm

00:48:42.931 --> 00:48:43.570
like oh okay

00:48:45.597 --> 00:48:46.617
It's one of those where he probably

00:48:46.697 --> 00:48:48.298
Googled and be like, oh, OK, cool,

00:48:48.318 --> 00:48:49.980
I can, yeah, yeah, let's, yeah.

00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:50.199
Possibly.

00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:50.599
I mean,

00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:53.501
I gave him a library with a lot

00:48:53.521 --> 00:48:54.141
of different looks,

00:48:54.181 --> 00:48:55.621
like a lot of different, like,

00:48:55.902 --> 00:48:57.842
iconic sports stuff.

00:48:58.202 --> 00:48:59.202
Like, there's this one,

00:48:59.563 --> 00:49:01.324
I think the shot on our social media

00:49:01.523 --> 00:49:02.764
of Gelo with the ball,

00:49:03.105 --> 00:49:04.844
it's kind of low-key a throwback to an

00:49:04.905 --> 00:49:06.425
Allen Iverson pick.

00:49:06.965 --> 00:49:09.369
and um you know and so he's really

00:49:09.389 --> 00:49:11.952
good at just like like adopting that and

00:49:12.012 --> 00:49:13.994
he gets it but i like that he's

00:49:14.034 --> 00:49:15.978
kind of separated from it like he doesn't

00:49:16.237 --> 00:49:17.760
i feel like people who are like sports

00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.684
fanatics will be like super detailed on

00:49:20.724 --> 00:49:22.865
certain things yeah or trying to overdo it

00:49:22.885 --> 00:49:24.869
when it doesn't need to be overdone yes

00:49:26.170 --> 00:49:26.250
Yes.

00:49:26.349 --> 00:49:28.251
And that's the good thing about it though.

00:49:28.311 --> 00:49:28.670
Right.

00:49:28.751 --> 00:49:30.572
In my eyes, I'm looking at it,

00:49:31.032 --> 00:49:32.572
you know, a sport is being played,

00:49:32.612 --> 00:49:34.233
but it's a lot more about the character

00:49:34.333 --> 00:49:36.275
interaction because they never played the

00:49:36.295 --> 00:49:37.797
ball together.

00:49:37.817 --> 00:49:39.617
This is their first time really playing

00:49:39.637 --> 00:49:40.137
together.

00:49:40.157 --> 00:49:40.257
Yeah.

00:49:41.179 --> 00:49:42.818
They haven't had time to practice.

00:49:43.219 --> 00:49:43.800
None of that.

00:49:43.820 --> 00:49:43.900
Yeah.

00:49:44.500 --> 00:49:45.181
And, um,

00:49:46.228 --> 00:49:46.989
And as you can see,

00:49:47.010 --> 00:49:48.391
it's a bit of a shit show, right?

00:49:48.411 --> 00:49:51.213
Definitely a shit show.

00:49:52.173 --> 00:49:54.876
But it's still fun in that aspect of

00:49:56.237 --> 00:49:58.079
it's really cool to see how the game

00:49:58.119 --> 00:49:59.800
is being played by both teams.

00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:03.242
And just the interaction between the

00:50:03.262 --> 00:50:03.563
teams.

00:50:03.744 --> 00:50:04.844
They all know each other.

00:50:05.204 --> 00:50:06.666
They've been playing this game for years

00:50:06.706 --> 00:50:07.246
with each other.

00:50:07.306 --> 00:50:09.748
So they're like shit talking and they're

00:50:09.768 --> 00:50:11.329
doing all that stuff.

00:50:12.251 --> 00:50:14.353
So it's like real sports, but

00:50:15.974 --> 00:50:16.496
Sit in the year.

00:50:16.536 --> 00:50:17.038
Twenty seven.

00:50:17.077 --> 00:50:17.599
Ninety eight.

00:50:18.282 --> 00:50:19.847
Yeah.

00:50:19.887 --> 00:50:20.188
Yeah.

00:50:20.248 --> 00:50:20.429
Right.

00:50:20.449 --> 00:50:21.592
We're still talking.

00:50:21.614 --> 00:50:22.114
We're still.

00:50:23.402 --> 00:50:24.583
doing that, you know?

00:50:25.083 --> 00:50:25.603
Absolutely.

00:50:25.742 --> 00:50:28.324
And the captain of the other team, right,

00:50:28.864 --> 00:50:29.565
when he debuts,

00:50:29.585 --> 00:50:33.727
you can kind of see how it's –

00:50:31.726 --> 00:50:31.987
yeah,

00:50:32.047 --> 00:50:33.668
a lot of this is very matter-of-fact.

00:50:34.068 --> 00:50:35.289
That team specifically,

00:50:35.329 --> 00:50:37.710
there's a background with them where

00:50:38.210 --> 00:50:39.952
they're in a lot of trouble because they

00:50:39.972 --> 00:50:40.851
don't win a lot of games.

00:50:41.373 --> 00:50:42.172
Yeah, you can tell.

00:50:42.193 --> 00:50:44.494
It almost feels like there's – I don't

00:50:44.514 --> 00:50:46.155
want to say self-sabotaging,

00:50:46.235 --> 00:50:48.737
but it feels like they're kind of being

00:50:48.777 --> 00:50:51.798
pulled from the –

00:50:50.697 --> 00:50:53.298
inside out you know somebody is like

00:50:53.338 --> 00:50:57.701
trying to deliberately yeah i'm not saying

00:50:57.740 --> 00:51:01.003
that's the plot i don't know but yeah

00:51:01.023 --> 00:51:01.382
i feel

00:51:02.619 --> 00:51:04.880
Yeah, well,

00:51:04.940 --> 00:51:06.800
that team's from Lone Twin City,

00:51:07.201 --> 00:51:08.320
which is definitely,

00:51:08.681 --> 00:51:10.842
it's supposed to be what's left of

00:51:10.902 --> 00:51:12.003
Minneapolis and St.

00:51:12.043 --> 00:51:12.443
Paul,

00:51:12.782 --> 00:51:16.284
kind of holding on as a little collective.

00:51:18.264 --> 00:51:20.425
And it's because they've faced years of,

00:51:21.045 --> 00:51:22.965
which is very topical,

00:51:23.246 --> 00:51:24.867
they've faced years of a lot of

00:51:24.907 --> 00:51:25.527
instability.

00:51:26.387 --> 00:51:27.987
And so there are some cities that are

00:51:28.027 --> 00:51:29.108
doing really, really well,

00:51:29.128 --> 00:51:29.869
and they win a lot.

00:51:30.329 --> 00:51:32.570
And then there are some cities that, that,

00:51:32.710 --> 00:51:33.751
that are, you know, yeah,

00:51:33.771 --> 00:51:34.851
it's not going great.

00:51:35.333 --> 00:51:36.793
And, uh, and as you'll see, there's,

00:51:36.853 --> 00:51:38.514
there's some cities and yeah,

00:51:38.894 --> 00:51:39.715
I don't want to say anymore.

00:51:39.876 --> 00:51:40.896
Just, just read.

00:51:46.447 --> 00:51:47.748
Oh, I don't know what I did wrong.

00:51:48.009 --> 00:51:48.469
Like I said.

00:51:48.489 --> 00:51:49.269
No, I did it wrong.

00:51:49.630 --> 00:51:50.449
It was my fault.

00:51:50.590 --> 00:51:51.530
I updated it too late.

00:51:52.110 --> 00:51:53.751
I should have told you that.

00:51:53.791 --> 00:51:54.572
I should have said that.

00:51:54.592 --> 00:51:55.353
No, you're good, dude.

00:51:55.492 --> 00:51:57.775
I emailed you like a day ago.

00:51:58.215 --> 00:51:58.855
I'm right in the middle.

00:51:58.974 --> 00:52:00.815
It's one of those two where I may

00:52:00.856 --> 00:52:02.416
not get to the email till like the

00:52:02.436 --> 00:52:03.398
day after anyway.

00:52:03.418 --> 00:52:04.197
Yeah, man.

00:52:04.257 --> 00:52:05.039
Just because.

00:52:06.619 --> 00:52:07.320
Yeah.

00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:09.320
You're busy.

00:52:09.340 --> 00:52:09.420
Yeah.

00:52:09.460 --> 00:52:09.842
What do you think?

00:52:09.882 --> 00:52:11.842
You're doing like back to back interviews,

00:52:11.862 --> 00:52:11.983
right?

00:52:12.003 --> 00:52:12.523
Back to back.

00:52:12.543 --> 00:52:13.083
So I got you tonight.

00:52:15.684 --> 00:52:15.804
Yeah.

00:52:16.541 --> 00:52:21.304
guy lenovo innovations press tomorrow and

00:52:21.324 --> 00:52:23.684
then i'm kicking off i think it's going

00:52:23.704 --> 00:52:27.646
to be a six part mini series with

00:52:27.666 --> 00:52:35.327
uh chris the long box punk hey yeah

00:52:35.829 --> 00:52:37.528
i'll tell chris i say what's up yeah

00:52:37.648 --> 00:52:39.489
i i interviewed with him too he's awesome

00:52:40.114 --> 00:52:42.074
He's awesome.

00:52:42.114 --> 00:52:43.795
I've known about him for quite a while

00:52:43.835 --> 00:52:44.115
now.

00:52:44.715 --> 00:52:46.237
And, um,

00:52:46.297 --> 00:52:48.077
I know he does similar to what I

00:52:48.117 --> 00:52:48.358
do.

00:52:49.219 --> 00:52:51.219
I just don't know what he does it

00:52:51.260 --> 00:52:54.201
at because I think it's weird if I,

00:52:54.601 --> 00:52:54.780
I mean,

00:52:54.860 --> 00:52:56.762
I will check out my competition and so

00:52:56.782 --> 00:52:59.684
to speak, I don't really like.

00:53:01.938 --> 00:53:03.400
I don't view you guys as competition.

00:53:03.481 --> 00:53:05.583
I view you as two completely different

00:53:05.623 --> 00:53:06.164
interviewers.

00:53:06.204 --> 00:53:06.364
Yeah,

00:53:06.505 --> 00:53:08.007
and it's one of those where I root

00:53:08.027 --> 00:53:11.311
for people versus trying to poo-poo on

00:53:11.351 --> 00:53:11.692
people.

00:53:11.751 --> 00:53:12.472
You know what I'm saying?

00:53:12.592 --> 00:53:13.213
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:13.253 --> 00:53:15.056
What's the point in wishing bad for

00:53:15.096 --> 00:53:15.836
people?

00:53:16.016 --> 00:53:16.597
Yeah.

00:53:16.818 --> 00:53:19.119
But it's also one of those where I

00:53:19.179 --> 00:53:21.440
wish I had more time to watch those

00:53:21.501 --> 00:53:23.501
who, when I first started,

00:53:23.541 --> 00:53:25.143
they were some of the people I looked

00:53:25.322 --> 00:53:25.943
at to go,

00:53:26.764 --> 00:53:28.105
I like what he does with this and

00:53:28.144 --> 00:53:28.585
this.

00:53:29.224 --> 00:53:30.606
Maybe I want to adopt that,

00:53:30.646 --> 00:53:32.186
but I want to do this differently.

00:53:32.887 --> 00:53:34.188
And he was one of those guys for

00:53:34.208 --> 00:53:35.349
me where I was just like,

00:53:35.748 --> 00:53:36.668
I like what he does,

00:53:36.789 --> 00:53:38.690
but I want to change it up and

00:53:38.731 --> 00:53:39.610
do it my own way.

00:53:40.371 --> 00:53:41.972
But I definitely pulled elements from a

00:53:41.992 --> 00:53:43.512
lot of different guys who kind of do

00:53:43.532 --> 00:53:43.954
what I do.

00:53:45.153 --> 00:53:47.434
but not necessarily because I completely

00:53:47.894 --> 00:53:48.815
switched it up.

00:53:48.916 --> 00:53:51.737
Like I literally, when I started this,

00:53:51.817 --> 00:53:52.277
I'm like,

00:53:53.016 --> 00:53:55.518
and then it slowly evolved to where I'm

00:53:55.557 --> 00:53:55.699
like,

00:53:55.838 --> 00:53:57.239
I'm going to walk people through the

00:53:57.278 --> 00:53:59.380
journey of my guests,

00:53:59.460 --> 00:54:00.641
like how they got here,

00:54:00.940 --> 00:54:02.981
where they're going and that kind of

00:54:03.021 --> 00:54:03.442
stuff.

00:54:04.742 --> 00:54:06.302
Basically when I take people on a journey

00:54:06.342 --> 00:54:07.862
to get to know who Donald is,

00:54:08.704 --> 00:54:11.105
why PowerScape is and that kind of stuff,

00:54:11.125 --> 00:54:11.844
you know what I'm saying?

00:54:12.605 --> 00:54:13.465
And that's where I'm at.

00:54:16.054 --> 00:54:18.177
But let's talk about some of these themes

00:54:18.297 --> 00:54:19.818
beneath the spectacle, man,

00:54:20.538 --> 00:54:21.958
especially right now.

00:54:22.259 --> 00:54:24.320
Do you kind of see this story as

00:54:24.380 --> 00:54:27.422
commentary on our current present-day

00:54:27.461 --> 00:54:30.403
stuff or a warning about our future?

00:54:30.443 --> 00:54:31.485
Because, I mean,

00:54:33.286 --> 00:54:34.907
especially when you mention Minneapolis

00:54:34.947 --> 00:54:36.128
and then places like that,

00:54:36.168 --> 00:54:37.809
it's kind of like that's been a shit

00:54:37.829 --> 00:54:38.009
show.

00:54:39.050 --> 00:54:41.150
Yeah, it definitely – I mean,

00:54:41.210 --> 00:54:43.742
this is –

00:54:43.333 --> 00:54:45.255
I don't wanna say this is political.

00:54:47.780 --> 00:54:48.960
It's political in the sense that

00:54:49.061 --> 00:54:50.463
everything is political.

00:54:51.184 --> 00:54:52.925
I would call it sociopolitical.

00:54:53.447 --> 00:54:55.389
And I think what,

00:54:55.489 --> 00:54:56.250
at the end of the day,

00:54:56.269 --> 00:54:57.231
what this story is,

00:54:58.152 --> 00:55:00.753
I can't help but be a manifestation of

00:55:00.974 --> 00:55:02.753
all the events in the history that,

00:55:03.034 --> 00:55:04.335
you know, you and I, we've lived through.

00:55:04.434 --> 00:55:06.356
I mean, you know, your background, right?

00:55:06.416 --> 00:55:08.757
I'm sure we've lived through twenty five

00:55:08.797 --> 00:55:11.079
years of like the nineties.

00:55:11.278 --> 00:55:14.400
We watched this place change drastically.

00:55:14.661 --> 00:55:15.760
Right.

00:55:15.780 --> 00:55:17.722
We see the invention of the smartphone,

00:55:18.242 --> 00:55:20.043
the invention of the personal computer.

00:55:20.563 --> 00:55:20.784
Mm hmm.

00:55:22.358 --> 00:55:25.561
Liquid natural gas is basically doing to

00:55:25.740 --> 00:55:27.663
oil what oil is doing to coal, right?

00:55:27.782 --> 00:55:28.043
Yeah.

00:55:28.864 --> 00:55:31.626
Everything is like – Electric vehicles.

00:55:32.186 --> 00:55:32.525
Yeah.

00:55:32.987 --> 00:55:33.367
Oh, gosh.

00:55:33.867 --> 00:55:36.688
Geopolitical alliances that we thought

00:55:36.708 --> 00:55:38.110
were just reality changing.

00:55:38.130 --> 00:55:38.550
Yeah.

00:55:38.670 --> 00:55:41.592
And that kind of stuff is –

00:55:42.097 --> 00:55:43.797
what I've always sort of been really,

00:55:43.878 --> 00:55:44.398
what my brain's,

00:55:44.557 --> 00:55:46.498
my brain is permanently stuck on big

00:55:46.539 --> 00:55:47.980
picture to my detriment.

00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:49.721
Like my partner, you know,

00:55:50.722 --> 00:55:51.561
I love her a lot when we get

00:55:51.601 --> 00:55:53.342
along because she's so good at just the

00:55:53.402 --> 00:55:54.204
small details.

00:55:54.284 --> 00:55:56.585
Cause I am blind.

00:55:56.704 --> 00:55:58.246
I am blind with that stuff.

00:55:58.766 --> 00:56:00.786
but so that's like me with like like

00:56:00.806 --> 00:56:02.608
the political realm that we currently live

00:56:02.728 --> 00:56:05.809
in i choose not to watch it listen

00:56:05.829 --> 00:56:07.889
to it have anything to do with it

00:56:07.909 --> 00:56:09.751
because i live in my own little bubble

00:56:10.231 --> 00:56:12.492
because i am just that busy that where

00:56:12.692 --> 00:56:16.373
i like my idea of watching something is

00:56:16.452 --> 00:56:18.313
literally going to be watching this back

00:56:18.893 --> 00:56:20.315
as i make clips out of it

00:56:20.905 --> 00:56:24.068
Yeah, I think that's good because I think,

00:56:24.128 --> 00:56:25.007
like I said,

00:56:25.528 --> 00:56:27.750
like we were saying before with younger

00:56:27.811 --> 00:56:28.130
artists,

00:56:29.331 --> 00:56:32.813
we are all having this realization that we

00:56:32.974 --> 00:56:35.175
live in systems that are not necessarily

00:56:35.255 --> 00:56:36.336
there for our health.

00:56:36.717 --> 00:56:37.498
They're not there for...

00:56:37.538 --> 00:56:38.639
They used to be at least there for

00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:40.159
our productivity and they may not even be

00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:40.981
there anymore, right?

00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:44.384
And so this story is...

00:56:45.409 --> 00:56:50.092
kind of what happens when you know that

00:56:50.172 --> 00:56:51.173
system's not working.

00:56:51.873 --> 00:56:54.775
And that's the main thrust of this game

00:56:55.257 --> 00:56:58.498
is that it's a couple centuries now of

00:56:58.518 --> 00:56:59.860
this thing kind of working and humming

00:56:59.900 --> 00:57:00.300
along,

00:57:00.820 --> 00:57:02.722
but the main character is going to go

00:57:02.742 --> 00:57:05.123
through an arc of sort of discovering it's

00:57:05.182 --> 00:57:05.903
really not though.

00:57:06.523 --> 00:57:10.567
And that there is another way to do

00:57:10.586 --> 00:57:15.110
this that when we discover that,

00:57:16.507 --> 00:57:18.630
The system itself is actively going to try

00:57:18.670 --> 00:57:20.512
to kill our means of doing that,

00:57:20.652 --> 00:57:21.393
of changing it.

00:57:21.855 --> 00:57:23.416
And because that's what a system does in

00:57:23.456 --> 00:57:26.119
order to survive, for it to perpetuate,

00:57:26.521 --> 00:57:28.202
it needs to kill anything that is in

00:57:28.262 --> 00:57:29.063
competition with it.

00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:33.083
And that's the notion of competition

00:57:33.123 --> 00:57:35.023
versus collaboration.

00:57:35.505 --> 00:57:36.706
How do we get there?

00:57:38.327 --> 00:57:39.268
We are, as humans,

00:57:39.307 --> 00:57:41.009
we're both of these things all the time.

00:57:41.688 --> 00:57:43.130
There's a system that's destroying

00:57:43.210 --> 00:57:44.592
something right now in a part of the

00:57:44.612 --> 00:57:44.911
world,

00:57:45.291 --> 00:57:47.833
but while it's also creating the means for

00:57:48.195 --> 00:57:49.896
somebody else to enrich themselves or get

00:57:49.936 --> 00:57:50.175
better.

00:57:52.077 --> 00:57:53.759
How are we going to rectify that?

00:57:53.838 --> 00:57:55.539
What happens when it doesn't work anymore?

00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:57.721
I'm really interested in how do we

00:57:57.740 --> 00:58:01.923
transition to that next leap of our human

00:58:01.963 --> 00:58:02.463
evolution?

00:58:03.605 --> 00:58:05.206
It's very easy to say we won't.

00:58:05.766 --> 00:58:09.409
But I think it's very difficult for

00:58:10.309 --> 00:58:11.510
something to end.

00:58:12.891 --> 00:58:14.612
I think society and history has been

00:58:14.672 --> 00:58:16.134
saying that forever.

00:58:16.474 --> 00:58:17.313
That, oh, well, that's it.

00:58:17.333 --> 00:58:18.574
This is the last manifestation of

00:58:18.594 --> 00:58:19.014
humanity.

00:58:21.797 --> 00:58:23.018
Say it again.

00:58:23.038 --> 00:58:24.239
I don't see it that way.

00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:25.619
Yeah, I don't either.

00:58:25.699 --> 00:58:26.201
I don't either.

00:58:26.380 --> 00:58:29.123
I think each generation is meant to be

00:58:29.943 --> 00:58:32.065
better than the previous one, right?

00:58:32.965 --> 00:58:34.487
And even if they're not better,

00:58:34.606 --> 00:58:35.527
they're different.

00:58:35.746 --> 00:58:38.369
They're different in a way that it changes

00:58:38.429 --> 00:58:40.050
our understanding of better.

00:58:40.311 --> 00:58:42.652
And we're not talking about physical

00:58:43.913 --> 00:58:44.813
evolution here.

00:58:44.853 --> 00:58:45.554
We're talking...

00:58:46.769 --> 00:58:49.331
Yeah, no.

00:58:49.552 --> 00:58:50.393
All that kind of stuff.

00:58:50.432 --> 00:58:52.635
I mean how society organizes itself.

00:58:52.655 --> 00:58:52.755
Yes.

00:58:52.795 --> 00:58:56.478
Which is definitely the arc of this story

00:58:57.099 --> 00:58:59.701
is this is a society that needs to

00:58:59.740 --> 00:59:00.702
reorganize itself.

00:59:01.563 --> 00:59:03.043
And it's a lot of people saying in

00:59:03.083 --> 00:59:03.565
denial.

00:59:03.985 --> 00:59:06.887
And that really the spectacle of the game

00:59:07.307 --> 00:59:08.389
is a collective denial.

00:59:08.929 --> 00:59:09.590
Right.

00:59:09.670 --> 00:59:10.230
Oh, we're fine.

00:59:10.451 --> 00:59:11.090
Everything's fine.

00:59:11.371 --> 00:59:13.393
This is it's a planet that's uninhabitable

00:59:13.432 --> 00:59:15.594
now because the air is toxic.

00:59:16.596 --> 00:59:17.996
There's temperatures that are too hot.

00:59:18.157 --> 00:59:18.416
Right.

00:59:19.177 --> 00:59:20.239
There are, you know,

00:59:20.378 --> 00:59:22.260
there are fire tornadoes I have at one

00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:23.722
point happening.

00:59:23.782 --> 00:59:24.862
You know, it gets pretty rough.

00:59:25.322 --> 00:59:27.043
But there are these little sanctuary

00:59:27.164 --> 00:59:31.144
cities of, I don't want to hot charge,

00:59:31.164 --> 00:59:32.164
supercharge with that term,

00:59:32.465 --> 00:59:36.246
but a sanctuary of these little places

00:59:36.365 --> 00:59:38.646
left where they figured out a pocket to

00:59:38.686 --> 00:59:41.168
breathe and everyone is acting as if

00:59:41.208 --> 00:59:41.708
that's fine.

00:59:41.827 --> 00:59:42.527
We're good.

00:59:42.807 --> 00:59:43.407
We're good, right?

00:59:43.768 --> 00:59:44.889
And it's going to become evident.

00:59:44.969 --> 00:59:45.909
No, it's not.

00:59:46.509 --> 00:59:47.409
It's not going to work.

00:59:47.469 --> 00:59:49.289
It's actually worse than you actually

00:59:49.309 --> 00:59:49.590
think it is.

00:59:49.849 --> 00:59:50.650
Absolutely, yeah.

00:59:50.731 --> 00:59:52.211
It might even be like a grave you're

00:59:52.231 --> 00:59:53.072
digging for yourself,

00:59:53.172 --> 00:59:54.552
or a collective grave we're digging.

00:59:54.952 --> 00:59:56.494
And so what do we do when we

00:59:56.534 --> 00:59:57.315
have to face that?

00:59:57.635 --> 00:59:59.175
The people who do face that,

00:59:59.295 --> 01:00:00.717
what do they have to do to get

01:00:00.777 --> 01:00:01.257
us to know?

01:00:02.418 --> 01:00:03.958
I'm not quite sure I know what the

01:00:04.018 --> 01:00:04.579
answer is.

01:00:04.958 --> 01:00:06.460
I think the story is me asking,

01:00:06.500 --> 01:00:07.021
you know?

01:00:07.141 --> 01:00:07.420
Yeah.

01:00:07.721 --> 01:00:09.722
And I don't know how people are going

01:00:09.782 --> 01:00:12.043
to respond to that, you know?

01:00:12.063 --> 01:00:12.264
Yeah.

01:00:13.585 --> 01:00:16.485
Well, I mean, we'll find out.

01:00:16.505 --> 01:00:16.606
Yeah.

01:00:16.626 --> 01:00:17.947
So this, sir, has already ended.

01:00:18.588 --> 01:00:18.867
Mm-hmm.

01:00:19.300 --> 01:00:20.802
Everything's moving forward.

01:00:20.942 --> 01:00:21.983
It's in production.

01:00:22.742 --> 01:00:25.445
There's a few pages left to be lettered.

01:00:25.704 --> 01:00:27.206
No, the lettering's done now.

01:00:27.326 --> 01:00:27.786
Two's done.

01:00:29.567 --> 01:00:30.507
Issue two is finished.

01:00:31.527 --> 01:00:32.849
And then we're moving forward.

01:00:33.088 --> 01:00:34.329
Three is next, of course.

01:00:35.311 --> 01:00:38.152
Then I'll have a mini,

01:00:38.231 --> 01:00:39.353
and then I'll have an issue four,

01:00:40.054 --> 01:00:42.735
and then all four of those will be

01:00:42.775 --> 01:00:46.496
slated as a volume one graphic novel.

01:00:46.516 --> 01:00:47.958
This is only supposed to be a six-part

01:00:47.978 --> 01:00:48.539
series, right?

01:00:51.418 --> 01:00:51.699
This is...

01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:53.786
I know when we originally started our

01:00:53.887 --> 01:00:55.572
series, has it evolved, Donald?

01:00:57.876 --> 01:01:00.358
uh yeah no this is i mean you

01:01:00.378 --> 01:01:02.137
know i i don't want to say this

01:01:02.197 --> 01:01:04.677
because i feel like people roll their eyes

01:01:04.697 --> 01:01:06.818
when they hear writers say this especially

01:01:06.938 --> 01:01:09.619
old old dogs like me but i mean

01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.400
i have like this is you know there's

01:01:12.579 --> 01:01:16.280
this can be you know a hundred issues

01:01:16.340 --> 01:01:18.101
this can be a lot i i've got

01:01:18.521 --> 01:01:20.922
i've got i've got the really long version

01:01:21.242 --> 01:01:21.822
i've got the

01:01:22.782 --> 01:01:24.106
And then I've got the middle version,

01:01:24.186 --> 01:01:27.092
which would be at least three volumes.

01:01:28.054 --> 01:01:28.916
I mean, that's not bad.

01:01:28.936 --> 01:01:29.998
There's still twelve bullets.

01:01:31.824 --> 01:01:32.764
Yeah, yeah.

01:01:32.784 --> 01:01:35.447
So I've got four that are planned for

01:01:35.487 --> 01:01:36.688
this first one.

01:01:37.389 --> 01:01:39.231
I'm almost done with issue eight,

01:01:39.311 --> 01:01:41.273
and that would be five through eight would

01:01:41.293 --> 01:01:42.333
be the second volume.

01:01:43.534 --> 01:01:45.918
The playoffs, basically.

01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:51.503
And then sort of a third volume where

01:01:51.862 --> 01:01:52.603
things change.

01:01:52.784 --> 01:01:54.164
Things change quite a lot for the main

01:01:54.204 --> 01:01:54.746
character, yeah.

01:01:57.085 --> 01:02:00.070
Because I know the first one,

01:02:00.692 --> 01:02:01.994
the first interview when we talked,

01:02:02.275 --> 01:02:03.958
it was a cis issue arc.

01:02:04.753 --> 01:02:05.313
That was it.

01:02:05.353 --> 01:02:06.753
That's what we were going for.

01:02:07.474 --> 01:02:08.253
No, it was not.

01:02:08.333 --> 01:02:08.494
No,

01:02:08.534 --> 01:02:10.974
I think even then I said it's that's

01:02:10.994 --> 01:02:12.675
what I that's what I for sure have

01:02:12.715 --> 01:02:13.614
flushed out is.

01:02:13.775 --> 01:02:14.074
Yeah.

01:02:14.114 --> 01:02:14.275
Yeah.

01:02:14.315 --> 01:02:15.275
That might have been what it was.

01:02:15.454 --> 01:02:15.855
Yeah.

01:02:16.195 --> 01:02:16.474
Yeah.

01:02:16.956 --> 01:02:18.556
But I mean, no,

01:02:18.596 --> 01:02:19.436
if I'm going to be honest,

01:02:19.516 --> 01:02:20.775
I have I didn't want to be someone

01:02:20.795 --> 01:02:22.177
that like was like, oh, you know,

01:02:22.217 --> 01:02:23.476
this could be like this could go on

01:02:23.496 --> 01:02:25.496
for ten years because I feel like you're

01:02:25.516 --> 01:02:26.518
not taking seriously.

01:02:26.978 --> 01:02:28.277
You're going to lose everybody.

01:02:28.737 --> 01:02:29.818
Yeah, that's what everybody tells me.

01:02:29.878 --> 01:02:30.460
Like, you know, no,

01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:31.400
you don't want to be the guy that

01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:32.141
has all these lungs.

01:02:32.382 --> 01:02:33.143
But I will say,

01:02:33.222 --> 01:02:34.565
it has been a story I've been weaving

01:02:34.605 --> 01:02:35.306
for twenty years.

01:02:35.346 --> 01:02:36.987
So, yeah, it's twenty years worth of...

01:02:38.289 --> 01:02:39.630
You know,

01:02:39.710 --> 01:02:42.172
I've got a file that's pretty long, right?

01:02:43.094 --> 01:02:43.355
But I...

01:02:43.914 --> 01:02:45.757
But I have no problem killing babies.

01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:50.440
Babies meaning writing ideas.

01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:52.643
And I got no problem trimming it down.

01:02:52.842 --> 01:02:54.824
And I have a shape for it now

01:02:55.244 --> 01:02:57.686
where it could be three to four volumes

01:02:57.726 --> 01:02:59.108
worth of a story.

01:02:59.628 --> 01:03:03.992
See, I think that's a good story,

01:03:04.012 --> 01:03:05.634
especially with something like this.

01:03:06.155 --> 01:03:06.394
Yes.

01:03:07.731 --> 01:03:08.831
Because if you just say, oh,

01:03:08.851 --> 01:03:10.072
we're going to go through the playoffs,

01:03:10.092 --> 01:03:10.472
I'm like, no,

01:03:10.532 --> 01:03:12.291
I want to see – let me get

01:03:12.311 --> 01:03:13.032
the championships.

01:03:13.072 --> 01:03:15.152
Let me see what follows after that.

01:03:15.172 --> 01:03:17.713
Let me get that – not a prequel,

01:03:17.773 --> 01:03:20.673
but the postgame on this.

01:03:21.173 --> 01:03:24.074
What happens now after this season?

01:03:24.114 --> 01:03:27.076
Not necessarily an entire volume on what

01:03:27.115 --> 01:03:28.936
happened after that season because I don't

01:03:28.956 --> 01:03:31.416
know how long these seasons are per se.

01:03:32.661 --> 01:03:34.322
We're definitely going to,

01:03:34.402 --> 01:03:36.643
we're going to flash forward a little for

01:03:36.684 --> 01:03:36.824
sure.

01:03:36.864 --> 01:03:37.143
Okay.

01:03:37.844 --> 01:03:38.885
Yeah.

01:03:38.945 --> 01:03:39.764
We're going to,

01:03:40.005 --> 01:03:41.445
we're going to get out of this season.

01:03:44.327 --> 01:03:45.606
This is, you know,

01:03:45.706 --> 01:03:47.628
this is really about Gela Gale, Gela,

01:03:47.708 --> 01:03:48.548
the main character.

01:03:49.289 --> 01:03:50.608
And this is about ten years of her

01:03:50.648 --> 01:03:50.949
life.

01:03:51.670 --> 01:03:52.090
Okay.

01:03:52.130 --> 01:03:53.630
And I know when we got taught the

01:03:53.670 --> 01:03:54.510
first time, I was like,

01:03:54.610 --> 01:03:56.472
I can tell this character just feels

01:03:56.552 --> 01:03:57.092
special.

01:03:57.632 --> 01:03:59.432
And you never really alluded to a whole

01:03:59.472 --> 01:03:59.753
lot.

01:03:59.793 --> 01:04:01.514
And even in volume two, you really don't,

01:04:02.485 --> 01:04:04.509
elude to it that much still.

01:04:05.409 --> 01:04:06.510
But even then,

01:04:06.791 --> 01:04:09.034
you can kind of see like with some

01:04:09.074 --> 01:04:10.936
of the things she does when she gets

01:04:11.137 --> 01:04:12.438
into the game, you're like, oh,

01:04:13.307 --> 01:04:15.309
Like, she does, she's special.

01:04:15.349 --> 01:04:16.469
Like, there's something there.

01:04:17.271 --> 01:04:19.152
It's not came out yet.

01:04:19.911 --> 01:04:20.952
And I'm glad to know that.

01:04:21.293 --> 01:04:24.596
She has an ability to see what's going

01:04:24.695 --> 01:04:24.835
on,

01:04:25.335 --> 01:04:27.436
what is everybody's motivations underneath

01:04:27.456 --> 01:04:29.179
for everything, like on the field at once.

01:04:29.818 --> 01:04:31.219
And as we're going to see,

01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:32.400
that's going to help her out off the

01:04:32.420 --> 01:04:32.641
field.

01:04:33.028 --> 01:04:33.389
For sure.

01:04:33.688 --> 01:04:34.590
Right.

01:04:34.909 --> 01:04:35.190
Yeah.

01:04:35.610 --> 01:04:36.889
Yeah.

01:04:36.911 --> 01:04:37.130
Yeah.

01:04:37.190 --> 01:04:38.351
Well, I mean, I'm like,

01:04:38.371 --> 01:04:40.371
I'm very excited to really,

01:04:40.411 --> 01:04:43.233
really hope I get to to tell the

01:04:43.253 --> 01:04:44.353
story quicker.

01:04:45.353 --> 01:04:46.673
We're figuring out our process a lot

01:04:46.713 --> 01:04:46.994
better.

01:04:47.355 --> 01:04:48.454
Kickstarter, the next kick.

01:04:48.474 --> 01:04:50.396
The last Kickstarter was successful and

01:04:50.416 --> 01:04:51.635
I'm really, really thankful for it.

01:04:51.695 --> 01:04:53.036
The next one is coming up soon.

01:04:53.436 --> 01:04:55.038
That was that was the next question where

01:04:55.057 --> 01:04:56.378
I was about to lead you to is.

01:04:56.657 --> 01:04:56.998
Thank you.

01:04:57.077 --> 01:04:58.318
What are we looking like on the next

01:04:58.418 --> 01:04:58.518
one?

01:04:59.371 --> 01:05:01.652
Yeah, so issue,

01:05:02.373 --> 01:05:03.954
probably partial funding of issue three,

01:05:03.974 --> 01:05:05.175
just like we did with this last one.

01:05:05.195 --> 01:05:06.416
It was a partial funding of two.

01:05:08.297 --> 01:05:09.818
We'll be doing a partial funding of three.

01:05:09.918 --> 01:05:13.981
We will have more to give out for

01:05:14.041 --> 01:05:14.521
sure.

01:05:15.782 --> 01:05:21.505
And like I said, my hope is that...

01:05:24.206 --> 01:05:27.307
I am in talks with a local writer

01:05:27.347 --> 01:05:31.168
and artist team about a possible side

01:05:31.208 --> 01:05:35.331
story that's kind of a prequel that will

01:05:35.391 --> 01:05:40.452
involve a Canadian city that becomes a

01:05:40.813 --> 01:05:41.614
sports franchise.

01:05:44.235 --> 01:05:46.576
My ultimate, what I would love is for,

01:05:47.096 --> 01:05:48.056
talking about younger artists,

01:05:48.315 --> 01:05:50.916
I would love some younger artists to get

01:05:51.177 --> 01:05:52.177
more involved in

01:05:53.028 --> 01:05:54.851
in painting the story world itself,

01:05:55.251 --> 01:05:57.972
which is sort of why I was,

01:05:58.693 --> 01:05:59.213
you know,

01:05:59.432 --> 01:06:01.235
I had to accept that I shouldn't make

01:06:01.275 --> 01:06:02.275
a hundred issues,

01:06:02.295 --> 01:06:03.996
a hundred fifty issues worth of a story,

01:06:05.336 --> 01:06:07.458
but I was tempted to because I really

01:06:07.498 --> 01:06:08.679
loved the world itself and the

01:06:08.838 --> 01:06:09.860
possibilities of the world.

01:06:10.460 --> 01:06:12.202
And I think the answer for that is

01:06:12.262 --> 01:06:14.302
to have more people who are interested in

01:06:14.362 --> 01:06:15.664
filling the gaps for other regions,

01:06:15.704 --> 01:06:16.264
for other cities.

01:06:16.284 --> 01:06:18.525
Yeah, that would be really cool.

01:06:19.445 --> 01:06:19.786
Yeah,

01:06:20.027 --> 01:06:21.487
I'm working on so I so I have

01:06:21.847 --> 01:06:21.987
one.

01:06:22.027 --> 01:06:25.050
There's one team right now that I'm

01:06:25.090 --> 01:06:26.692
talking with them and they, you know,

01:06:26.711 --> 01:06:28.132
we're thinking of maybe a twelve issue

01:06:29.894 --> 01:06:31.556
sort of mini issue that sort of sets

01:06:31.655 --> 01:06:34.739
up a couple a couple of narratives that

01:06:34.778 --> 01:06:36.740
will come later in that in that third

01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:37.121
volume.

01:06:37.161 --> 01:06:37.400
Yeah.

01:06:38.222 --> 01:06:38.481
Yeah.

01:06:38.762 --> 01:06:40.684
And so so that's what we have on

01:06:40.704 --> 01:06:41.585
the on the plate right now.

01:06:42.485 --> 01:06:44.586
When can people who backed issue two

01:06:44.887 --> 01:06:48.168
expect to get their books?

01:06:48.188 --> 01:06:50.489
That's a good question to ask.

01:06:50.971 --> 01:06:52.030
Yes, I appreciate that.

01:06:52.072 --> 01:06:52.431
Thank you.

01:06:52.731 --> 01:06:54.052
We just finished issue two.

01:06:55.153 --> 01:06:56.353
We've got posters already.

01:06:56.554 --> 01:06:57.574
One's ready.

01:06:58.295 --> 01:06:59.757
So if you ordered a physical issue of

01:06:59.936 --> 01:07:01.597
one, t-shirts are ready as well.

01:07:01.938 --> 01:07:03.099
It's just a matter of...

01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:04.480
I've got to go...

01:07:05.500 --> 01:07:07.021
We'll have to print out the posters too,

01:07:07.101 --> 01:07:08.583
but I just wanted to send them all

01:07:08.603 --> 01:07:09.143
at once.

01:07:09.465 --> 01:07:11.626
I didn't want to send a few things

01:07:11.666 --> 01:07:13.509
and then issue two after the fact.

01:07:13.889 --> 01:07:14.869
So now that two is done,

01:07:14.889 --> 01:07:16.652
that's the final piece of all the things.

01:07:17.012 --> 01:07:19.434
We're also going to send a couple little

01:07:19.454 --> 01:07:21.556
tiny goody things as a thank you to

01:07:21.577 --> 01:07:23.278
everybody as well for supporting.

01:07:24.099 --> 01:07:24.900
Timbits.

01:07:24.981 --> 01:07:25.702
I won't say what they are.

01:07:25.762 --> 01:07:26.643
Little Timbits, yeah.

01:07:27.967 --> 01:07:28.467
But they're coming.

01:07:28.487 --> 01:07:28.827
They're coming.

01:07:29.108 --> 01:07:31.168
A little bit of just patience because I'm

01:07:31.208 --> 01:07:32.530
sending them all from Canada.

01:07:33.250 --> 01:07:33.489
Yeah.

01:07:33.530 --> 01:07:34.451
No, trust me, dude.

01:07:34.471 --> 01:07:34.911
That's it.

01:07:34.931 --> 01:07:35.231
Yeah.

01:07:36.751 --> 01:07:38.193
I get stuff from the UK.

01:07:38.612 --> 01:07:38.893
Yeah.

01:07:38.994 --> 01:07:41.054
I know it got shipped in like February

01:07:41.175 --> 01:07:42.876
and I get it in March.

01:07:43.396 --> 01:07:43.657
Yeah.

01:07:43.876 --> 01:07:44.137
Yeah.

01:07:44.516 --> 01:07:45.338
Well, yeah.

01:07:45.358 --> 01:07:47.498
Like as you've learned firsthand,

01:07:47.539 --> 01:07:49.340
two finished two days ago.

01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:51.684
So now it's just a matter of putting

01:07:51.724 --> 01:07:52.666
it together, printing it out,

01:07:53.487 --> 01:07:54.309
sending it to everybody.

01:07:55.210 --> 01:07:56.331
T-shirts look great, though.

01:07:57.114 --> 01:07:58.956
We have an alternative logo that we will

01:07:58.996 --> 01:08:00.278
probably save for the next Kickstarter.

01:08:01.652 --> 01:08:03.793
alternative logo t-shirts and I'm going to

01:08:03.873 --> 01:08:05.795
do what I can to see if I

01:08:05.835 --> 01:08:08.817
can get bigger sizes for people because

01:08:09.036 --> 01:08:12.079
only because you know I know that there

01:08:12.099 --> 01:08:13.521
wasn't a lot of options with the medium

01:08:13.561 --> 01:08:16.363
t-shirt so I'll do what I can yeah

01:08:16.382 --> 01:08:17.764
I think I got a t-shirt that's going

01:08:17.783 --> 01:08:19.045
to end up like going to like my

01:08:19.085 --> 01:08:19.466
daughter

01:08:20.145 --> 01:08:21.167
Cause I'm a tall guy.

01:08:21.688 --> 01:08:22.849
So for me, it's like,

01:08:23.630 --> 01:08:26.052
we have to get into the tall sizes,

01:08:26.092 --> 01:08:28.775
like the two XLTs in order for a

01:08:28.796 --> 01:08:29.516
shirt to like,

01:08:30.297 --> 01:08:31.739
not look like a belly shirt on me,

01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:32.220
basically.

01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:32.841
Totally.

01:08:33.140 --> 01:08:33.921
I'm tall too,

01:08:33.942 --> 01:08:35.243
but I'm tall the other way.

01:08:36.917 --> 01:08:39.658
You know, it's suspension, right?

01:08:39.838 --> 01:08:42.280
It's the gravity of the earth pushing me

01:08:42.320 --> 01:08:44.662
down and expanding me width wise.

01:08:45.264 --> 01:08:46.824
Yeah.

01:08:46.864 --> 01:08:48.086
We're like the little, we're like,

01:08:48.105 --> 01:08:49.867
we're like the little vase on the,

01:08:50.047 --> 01:08:50.287
on the,

01:08:50.408 --> 01:08:52.409
on the wheel that Demi Moore's making in

01:08:52.470 --> 01:08:52.689
Ghost.

01:08:52.710 --> 01:08:53.751
That's what I look like.

01:08:53.890 --> 01:08:54.770
That's what I'm.

01:08:54.810 --> 01:08:57.052
So, yeah.

01:08:57.554 --> 01:08:59.335
I, yeah.

01:08:59.375 --> 01:09:00.095
So I understand.

01:09:00.235 --> 01:09:01.777
I understand the issue is what I'm saying.

01:09:01.917 --> 01:09:02.618
Yeah, I will.

01:09:03.158 --> 01:09:05.081
I, uh, and I'll, I'll be happy to,

01:09:05.542 --> 01:09:05.822
uh, we'll,

01:09:05.881 --> 01:09:07.163
we'll probably feature more possibilities

01:09:07.203 --> 01:09:07.765
for that.

01:09:07.944 --> 01:09:08.525
But Donald,

01:09:08.605 --> 01:09:09.886
I know I got to get you out

01:09:09.907 --> 01:09:11.229
to the casting couch, man.

01:09:11.269 --> 01:09:12.490
So before I let you go,

01:09:12.610 --> 01:09:14.613
let once you let everybody know where they

01:09:14.654 --> 01:09:15.335
can find you.

01:09:16.076 --> 01:09:16.395
Okay.

01:09:16.456 --> 01:09:18.838
You can find me on, uh, uh, Instagram,

01:09:18.899 --> 01:09:20.481
Donald Thomas Capello, my full name.

01:09:21.282 --> 01:09:23.302
The comic book is also on Instagram,

01:09:23.342 --> 01:09:26.863
powerscape underscore comic.

01:09:27.783 --> 01:09:29.305
We are also on Patreon,

01:09:29.364 --> 01:09:32.685
patreon.com backslash powerscape

01:09:33.565 --> 01:09:35.286
underscore comic, same ID.

01:09:35.806 --> 01:09:39.347
And please go ahead and find us on

01:09:39.387 --> 01:09:41.467
Global Comics as well and give us a

01:09:41.528 --> 01:09:42.609
reader and a support there.

01:09:42.988 --> 01:09:43.689
We'd really appreciate it.

01:09:43.809 --> 01:09:44.529
One is up there now.

01:09:44.609 --> 01:09:46.869
Two will be up there very, very shortly.

01:09:47.670 --> 01:09:49.810
So thank you so much for supporting us.

01:09:50.270 --> 01:09:51.813
And yeah, more to come.

01:09:52.252 --> 01:09:52.613
More to come.

01:09:53.413 --> 01:09:55.676
And all those links will be included in

01:09:55.695 --> 01:09:57.797
the description of this when it goes live

01:09:57.837 --> 01:09:58.338
again.

01:09:58.918 --> 01:09:59.300
Thank you.

01:10:00.461 --> 01:10:01.140
Saturday.

01:10:03.904 --> 01:10:04.824
Probably.

01:10:04.864 --> 01:10:05.685
Saturday is good for me.

01:10:05.786 --> 01:10:06.345
I will be grading.

01:10:06.365 --> 01:10:08.068
It's fine.

01:10:08.127 --> 01:10:09.909
So you'll get everything probably on

01:10:09.989 --> 01:10:12.692
Saturday, probably around lunchtime.

01:10:12.712 --> 01:10:13.872
Yeah.

01:10:14.869 --> 01:10:16.570
For everybody listening out there,

01:10:16.591 --> 01:10:18.152
I have one more show.

01:10:18.171 --> 01:10:19.113
Well, two more shows.

01:10:19.672 --> 01:10:21.873
I have Lenovation Press tomorrow.

01:10:22.755 --> 01:10:26.636
And then I have I'm introducing the part

01:10:26.837 --> 01:10:28.819
one of a six part miniseries that I'm

01:10:28.859 --> 01:10:29.738
doing with the long,

01:10:30.219 --> 01:10:32.220
long boss punk Chris and Chris.

01:10:33.573 --> 01:10:35.435
Starting on Friday and that will cover

01:10:35.595 --> 01:10:37.435
five days.

01:10:37.994 --> 01:10:40.275
The second part of that will be like

01:10:40.336 --> 01:10:42.115
thirty one March and then the other four

01:10:42.155 --> 01:10:44.617
parts will be in April.

01:10:44.856 --> 01:10:45.737
And that's going to be a lot of

01:10:45.777 --> 01:10:48.337
fun as we discuss their heart anthology

01:10:48.377 --> 01:10:49.078
that they are doing.

01:10:49.118 --> 01:10:51.559
We'll get into some details on the actual

01:10:51.599 --> 01:10:54.539
stories themselves and kind of like what

01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:55.579
was Chris and Chris's story.

01:10:56.260 --> 01:10:57.942
Thoughts in making this project.

01:10:58.382 --> 01:10:59.363
And that will be Friday.

01:10:59.404 --> 01:11:01.908
So I highly recommend everybody tune in on

01:11:01.948 --> 01:11:02.429
Friday.

01:11:02.849 --> 01:11:03.711
And tomorrow too.

01:11:04.030 --> 01:11:04.872
But Friday definitely.

01:11:04.912 --> 01:11:06.434
Because we are definitely going to kick

01:11:06.574 --> 01:11:06.774
off.

01:11:07.376 --> 01:11:09.458
A six part mini series featuring.

01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:10.640
AHA.

01:11:11.502 --> 01:11:12.061
That stands for.

01:11:13.472 --> 01:11:16.134
a horror anthology, which is really dope,

01:11:17.054 --> 01:11:18.614
which is just a really cool concept.

01:11:18.635 --> 01:11:20.515
We're going to get into all that Friday

01:11:20.996 --> 01:11:21.435
night.

01:11:22.076 --> 01:11:24.216
Donald can't thank you again for coming on

01:11:24.317 --> 01:11:26.356
and giving us an update on power scape

01:11:26.396 --> 01:11:27.778
and kind of where you're at with it

01:11:28.578 --> 01:11:31.219
and just coming on and just blowing the

01:11:31.238 --> 01:11:31.819
breeze, man.

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Now let me get you out of here.

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Cause I know you got to get to

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the casting couch.

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Thank you, Chairman.

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Thank you.

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Best of luck on the seventh try on

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that joke.

01:11:41.131 --> 01:11:42.792
Best of luck on that one.

01:11:42.811 --> 01:11:46.514
Hey, you know it sticks every time.

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But civilizations rise, empires fall,

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but the game never ends.

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A huge thank you to Donald once again.

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for being awesome being a friend and

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always just you know he hits me with

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messages here and there just uh checking

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in and i appreciate that so much for

01:12:07.748 --> 01:12:09.510
joining us tonight though and taking us

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inside the world of powerscape one more

01:12:11.792 --> 01:12:13.332
time if you'd like to support the series

01:12:13.372 --> 01:12:15.435
and bring well you can't bring issue two

01:12:15.454 --> 01:12:16.796
to life because it's already been brought

01:12:16.815 --> 01:12:18.818
to life but give him a follow and

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stay tuned for issue three where i'm sure

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you'll be able to get issues two

01:12:23.590 --> 01:12:25.570
and one later on.

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Absolutely.

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And I will, of course,

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once that is announced,

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I will announce it here and we'll probably

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bring Donald back one more time just for

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that.

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And a big thank you to everyone watching

01:12:35.734 --> 01:12:37.695
and listening to at home.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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the council of nerds is adjourned.

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This has been the USDM podcast where indie

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comments come to life.

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Y'all be safe out there.