The Daily Canopy: The Grove

The Daily Canopy: The Grove

Week ending 2026-06-21 — Every featured conversation linked and timestamped below. Click a show name to go to the full episode, or jump directly to the clip.

Featured Conversations

World's First Trillionaire, Anthropic Fable Banned, The New Oligarchs, Iran Peace Deal

Guest: David Sacks

Sacks delivers his firsthand White House readout of the Fable shutdown — the Treasury Secretary calling Dario, Dario ref

"That blog post from Dario, the one trying to sort good jailbreaks from bad ones, became the cleanest evidence the White House had that this wasn't being taken as seriously as Anthropic's own framing had insisted. Sacks calls the letter a reaction, not a policy. But the unspoken half of his argument "

Vice President JD Vance: No One Saw This Coming, The Ceasefire Is Real!

Guest: JD Vance

The sitting US VP walks through the entire Iran ceasefire term sheet on the day it went public — Strait of Hormuz reopen

"The deep bet inside that term sheet is the part to listen for. Iran trades a sanctions regime for a totally different economic relationship, if the inspections actually hold. Vance frames it as a behavior swap, not a one-time deal. And the most interesting tell is the casual venture-capital vocabula"

12:03 discovery pick Hard Fork (NYT)

'Hard Fork' Live, Part 3: Differing Visions of an A.I. Future

Guest: Sayash Kapoor and Daniel Kokotajlo

Sayash reframes recursive self-improvement as a 60-year-old process already underway, then both debaters land their prec

"The disagreement is named, and so is the agreement. The moment normal-technology stops being a useful frame is the moment AI can do what a top professional human can do at a computer. Recursive self-improvement, in Kapoor's reading, has been the entire history of computing. Compilers all the way dow"

16:45 discovery pick Odd Lots

Jeremy Grantham on How to Tell If a Bubble Is About to Burst

Guest: Jeremy Grantham

Grantham names a single, falsifiable bubble-burst tell — the previous year's high-flyers declining inside a still-rising

"So the question to walk around with this week. What are the previous year's high-flyers, and how are they trading right now? Grantham's whole forensic system points at that one number. The greatest primal scream the market ever makes, in his words. Underneath it sits the famous Chuck Prince line fro"

Micron Will Be More Valuable Than Meta | Power is the Bottleneck to AI | Why Dario Has Done a Disservice to AI with his Labour Replacement Messaging — with Aravind Srinivas

Guest: Aravind Srinivas

Continuous setup-turn-payoff laying out two signature theses (power is THE bottleneck, export controls accidentally forc

"Four in ten of the data centers Aravind says the country needs are not getting built. The reason is public resistance. Not capital, not chips. That is the bottleneck under the bottleneck. The kicker is the twenty to thirty percent probability he gives a DeepSeek-style architecture upset. Leaner by d"

27:59 discovery pick Dwarkesh Podcast

Ada Palmer — Machiavelli is the most misunderstood thinker of all time

Guest: Ada Palmer

The cleanest, most quotable Palmer reframe of Machiavelli: the word means self-serving, but the man was 'one of the most

"Take that home. The word we use for self-serving belongs to a man who refused several prestigious courts to keep his political-science manual out of foreign hands. The Prince was a job application written from rural exile to the same regime that had just tortured him. There is more in the full episo"

33:14 discovery pick The Tim Ferriss Show

#870: Sebastian Mallaby, Biographer of Demis Hassabis — Lessons from 100+ AI Insiders on The Race to Superintelligence

Guest: Sebastian Mallaby

Three concrete, never-before-aired insider scenes (Ilya burning an effigy like a witch, Demis whispering 'reality is scr

"Three scenes Mallaby chose deliberately, because each comes from a different position in the field. The chief scientist at OpenAI. The founder of DeepMind. An engineer who later helped build Waymo. And none of these are scenes from a pulpit. That's Mallaby's point. The language keeps showing up anyw"

AI:AM #3: Zvi on Fable, the Cases For & Against the Ban, + AI for Math, Logistics & More

Guest: Zvi Mowshowitz

Zvi's sharpest, most quotable verdict on the week's #1 story — a full setup-turn-payoff arc with the crisp 'you do not g

"The leverage is simply real. Hyperscalers, customers, capital, all American. Zvi's verdict against the Anthropic-flees theory holds because he is not in the administration's camp. He is the doomer-adjacent specialist saying go-to-war-with-Washington is unworkable mechanics, not partisan politics. An"

Also Worth Your Time

43:14 discovery pick Doom Debates

Why I'm HAPPY the US Government BANNED Claude Fable — 'AI in the AM' Livestream with Nathan Labenz

Guest: Liron Shapira

In 30 seconds Shapira concedes every objection to the Fable ban and still lands the thesis — the Overton window on gover

"And on the Twenty VC Trio roundup the same week, the panel landing on the question every non-American buyer is now asking. Take the best American model and risk the next cutoff, or settle for the second best one that does not move."

43:44 discovery pick Odd Lots

Anthropic's Co-Founder and Top Economist on Doing Research at the AI Frontier

Guest: Jack Clark

Jack Clark, mid-Fable-ban, naming the core policy paradox in one image: AI smushes the civilian jet engine and the missi

"On Doom Debates, Liron Shapira on why he is openly happy about the ban, even though he agrees the execution was a clown show."

44:14 discovery pick Odd Lots

The Iran War's Lasting Scars Across Asia

Guest: Oanh Ha and Tracy Alloway

Crystallizes the morning-after thesis in a single concrete image — the Strait may reopen but Southeast Asian farmers are

44:44 discovery pick Dwarkesh Podcast

The data black hole at the center of AI (essay)

Guest: Dwarkesh Patel

The black-hole-of-data metaphor lands and is immediately cashed out with the concrete million-fold human-vs-model token

45:14 discovery pick The Ezra Klein Show

I Keep Telling People We're Living in This Dystopian Novel

Guest: Gary Shteyngart

Shteyngart names the exact mechanism from his 2010 novel — Rate Me Plus ranking every facet of a person — and lands on t

"Six in the montage. Eight features at the top. If there is one idea to carry into this week, it is that the United States government just drew a line nobody knew existed. Between what a frontier AI lab is allowed to ship and what it isn't. This is a line we will be arguing about for years. Everythin"

Dave Baszucki on Roblox, Teen Entrepreneurs, and the Future of Play

Guest: Dave Baszucki

Baszucki sizes Roblox against the whole gaming economy in three crisp numbers — $200B TAM, $7B bookings, ~4% share — tur

"And on the Ezra Klein Show, the novelist Gary Shteyngart, whose 2010 dystopian novel about a Rate Me Plus society now reads as documentary."

Who decides when AI is too dangerous?

Guest: Hayden Field

The single tightest beat where Field crystallizes HOW the ban went down — a 90-minute ultimatum from the Trump administr

"Also on Odd Lots, Anthropic's co-founder Jack Clark from the other side of the same ban, on why a model that is both an economic product and a national-security artifact is policy territory nobody has mapped."

46:44 discovery pick Hard Fork (NYT)

'Hard Fork' Live Part 2: Dylan Field on Standing Out in the A.I. Era

Guest: Dylan Field

Field's first public, on-the-record reaction to Krieger's Anthropic exit and the Claude Design launch — diplomatic but p

Why Remote Work is White Collar Fraud | The Wild Story of Raising $1BN from Masa Son — Ryan Petersen (Flexport)

Guest: Ryan Petersen

Inverts the remote-work debate with a real mechanism — WFH's true beneficiary is a Philippines genius at $500/month, not

SpaceX Soars to $2.7TRN | Anthropic's Fable Banned by US Government | Mistral Raising at $20BN and The Case for Sovereign Models | Fin Acquired by Salesforce for $3.6BN

Guest: Harry Stebbings and The Trio

The single cleanest one-line case for sovereign AI — frames the Anthropic-Fable ban as the exact reason Europe (and ever

"On Conversations with Tyler, Dave Baszucki sizing Roblox against the entire global gaming economy in three crisp numbers."

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