1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,240 Unknown: Off here. Recording going this side, recording in 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:11,340 progress. I like that. Are you ready? Hey, welcome back to 3 00:00:11,340 --> 00:00:15,000 circling the drain. Of course, you know me. John E Bozeman or 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,440 John Johnny B, most people know me as this guy right here. You 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,140 know him. Jay Harper, Hey, 6 00:00:21,140 --> 00:00:26,420 Johnny B, we're finally in close proximity. Yes, we are. Yeah, 7 00:00:26,420 --> 00:00:29,600 well, I'm normally gazing into your eyes from across the room. 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,540 It's nice to be up close and personal. That starts rumors. 9 00:00:33,260 --> 00:00:38,000 And over there is Jim McCarthy, the guy that holds us together. 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,320 Yes, sir. And we decided to seriously dilute the ugly in 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,740 this room by bringing on somebody that is beautiful in a 12 00:00:44,740 --> 00:00:49,120 lot of ways. And a lot of you know her as she used to be 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,380 married to William Lee golden of the Oak Ridge Boys, but she has 14 00:00:54,220 --> 00:00:58,960 started a new life in Austin, Texas, and Brenda golden has 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,060 joined us, and she has a new book too, by the way, which, you 16 00:01:03,060 --> 00:01:06,540 know, Brenda. It speaks to me, because I've said this many 17 00:01:06,540 --> 00:01:08,340 times now, what? 18 00:01:10,020 --> 00:01:12,420 So what inspired you to do this book? 19 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,780 Well, actually, I started this book eight years ago, yeah, and 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:25,280 it was, it has been very good therapy for me. And I would 21 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,060 write, and then I would put it down, yeah, and I'd put it down 22 00:01:29,060 --> 00:01:32,660 for maybe six months or a year, and think I'm not, I'm not going 23 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:37,640 to finish this. And then I would pick it back up, reread it. But 24 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,740 I knew if I was going to write this book at the very beginning. 25 00:01:41,740 --> 00:01:45,700 I knew the title, I knew all the chapters. I knew what kind of 26 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:50,080 illustrations I wanted, and I knew that I wanted to ask some 27 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:56,380 of my friends to give words of encouragement on the chapter. So 28 00:01:56,380 --> 00:02:00,600 I really had a vision for it from the very beginning, and I 29 00:02:00,660 --> 00:02:05,880 had asked some of my friends who had been through major change in 30 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:11,820 the middle of their life, in their golden years, for advice 31 00:02:11,820 --> 00:02:14,940 or words of encouragement for someone who's facing that, 32 00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:19,740 because they certainly helped me when I was faced. You know, I 33 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:26,240 had turned 50, and I had to totally my whole life was, you 34 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,620 know, turned upside down, and I had to reinvent myself, 35 00:02:30,620 --> 00:02:36,740 professionally, personally, I ended up relocating from 36 00:02:36,740 --> 00:02:40,300 Nashville to Austin, and so it was a Major change. 37 00:02:41,140 --> 00:02:45,760 Well, how is Austin been as far as because I that's one town 38 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,720 I've kind of always wondered if I'd want to live there, because 39 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,860 it seemed like it was a pretty cool town as far as music and 40 00:02:54,220 --> 00:02:55,240 and lifestyle. 41 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,020 Yes, it's a it's a community that loves the arts and respects 42 00:03:01,020 --> 00:03:04,860 the arts, and that's what drew me to Austin, because, you know, 43 00:03:04,860 --> 00:03:09,600 I have worked in and have loved music and the in the 44 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,200 entertainment world all my life, and I've worked in entertainment 45 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:19,200 since I was 21 and so I was traveling, as I speak, about a 46 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,180 little bit In the book. I was traveling back and forth from 47 00:03:23,180 --> 00:03:29,180 Nashville to Austin, conducting business at least once a month 48 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:35,300 for a client, and I happened to mention to a friend of mine how 49 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:40,580 much I loved Austin, and I was going through some terminal and 50 00:03:40,580 --> 00:03:45,700 major changes at that time. And so it was suggested, Why don't 51 00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:50,320 you just move there? And I really didn't give it another 52 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,560 thought, and I speak about that in one, one of the chapters, 53 00:03:53,620 --> 00:03:54,820 very good. I ended up, 54 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,560 well the Hey, Brenda, this Jay Harper, a nice to Nice to meet 55 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,700 you, even though, digitally here, you know, the last time 56 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:10,920 I've been to Austin was for South by Southwest, the big, you 57 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,760 know, event that takes place there, I'm guessing you've 58 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,000 probably been involved in that to some degree, Right? 59 00:04:19,140 --> 00:04:23,420 Some degree, when I was working with different entertainers, as 60 00:04:23,420 --> 00:04:26,780 far as them appearing there, but I haven't worked as far as 61 00:04:26,780 --> 00:04:31,700 representing South by Southwest, but being involved from 62 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,820 representing different artists that have been involved. 63 00:04:35,060 --> 00:04:39,080 Yeah, I mean that event pretty, pretty well takes over the town 64 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:44,380 there. When that goes on, and it's such a cool event in terms 65 00:04:44,380 --> 00:04:49,720 of such a diversity of music and events that go on, 66 00:04:50,860 --> 00:04:56,080 music, film, television, it really covers the spectrum of 67 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,280 entertainment, right? 68 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,740 Well, you know, a lot of people, I. May not be aware of, you 69 00:05:01,740 --> 00:05:07,080 know, the work you've done in the music business here. You did 70 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,400 a lot of work with different people, such as Reba McIntyre. 71 00:05:12,540 --> 00:05:16,980 No, I have Reba and our friends, okay? And we're the same 72 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:22,460 community, and we're certainly friends, but I've never, well, I 73 00:05:22,460 --> 00:05:27,380 don't know, years ago, I was the the Nashville responsible agent 74 00:05:27,380 --> 00:05:33,380 for a restaurant, restaurant called country star restaurants, 75 00:05:33,380 --> 00:05:38,360 yeah, and they start one in Los Angeles, in Las Vegas, and they 76 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:44,320 had reps in Los Angeles, I was their Nashville rep, and Reba 77 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:49,660 and Vince Gill were our spokesperson. And so that even 78 00:05:49,660 --> 00:05:54,100 though I knew Reba before, that is when I really got to know her 79 00:05:54,100 --> 00:05:59,620 better from spending time with her recording things for one of 80 00:05:59,620 --> 00:06:05,460 the kiosks for the restaurant, and then she built a home out in 81 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:11,820 the Gallatin area, and we were then joined the same country 82 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:14,700 club, and so we would run into each other quite often, but I 83 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:18,960 never represented Reba i or worked with her in other 84 00:06:19,020 --> 00:06:25,460 capacities. I represented Charlie pride, the Osmonds boy 85 00:06:25,460 --> 00:06:31,400 howdy, just the Buddy Holly Hall of Performing Arts and Science, 86 00:06:32,420 --> 00:06:36,440 the Andy Williams theater. A lot of different a variety of 87 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,120 different people over the years. 88 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,220 How'd you meet? How'd you end up meeting William Lee Goldman? 89 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:49,960 I moved from West Tennessee back to Nashville, and a friend of 90 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:55,780 mine, Ed Harper, who I knew when I was living in West Tennessee. 91 00:06:55,780 --> 00:07:03,480 He He owns the Harper agency, and he is a agent for gospel 92 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,160 music, but at the time, I didn't know his history Other than 93 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,300 that, and I told him I wanted to get start working into the music 94 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:16,020 business. I was a music major at Middle Tennessee State 95 00:07:16,020 --> 00:07:19,560 University, and so Music has always been a part of my life. 96 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:25,640 And I asked him if he knew of any openings, and he said, yes, 97 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,720 there's an opening at the Oak Ridge Boys office. And he said, 98 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:35,360 it's a great place to begin with and to learn the business, and 99 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:41,740 there's a slow turnover. And so he opened the door for an 100 00:07:41,740 --> 00:07:46,600 interview, and Ted hacker at the time, who later went on to 101 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:52,120 manage diamond, Rio was the office manager at the time. And 102 00:07:52,120 --> 00:08:01,500 so I interviewed with Ted six or seven times, and and so I 103 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:04,560 started working for the oaks, and I was 21 at the time. 104 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,900 Wow, yeah, yeah. So that's and so that's how you met William 105 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:14,700 Lee, and I saw, I saw an interview as an old interview 106 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:19,800 with lorianne Crook. And you were just cute as can be. I 107 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,920 mean, I mean, I Well, you were and, and I was, I love the story 108 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:30,740 about how you guys had your first kiss. That was very that 109 00:08:30,740 --> 00:08:32,000 was a great story. 110 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,640 Yeah, it kind of took me by surprise. I'm to this day. I'm 111 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:42,100 the last to pick up or know if someone is attracted to me. I 112 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:45,880 don't know why, but I just don't pick up on that. And so I didn't 113 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,000 have any idea that he was attracted to me, none 114 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,620 whatsoever, until that night. 115 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:59,620 Yeah, then that full moon did it didn't for him. You guys were 116 00:08:59,620 --> 00:09:05,640 married for quite a while, were you not till 2014 wasn't it? 117 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,900 Yes, sir, just a few months shy of our 25th anniversary. Oh, 118 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:16,320 man, a long time, but we have a son who's wonderful, Solomon 119 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:21,440 took us Yes, Solomon and we were married 11 and a half years 120 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:25,880 before Solomon came in our lives. So he's quite a blessing 121 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:26,780 to us both 122 00:09:27,020 --> 00:09:32,360 well, and too, he's getting involved in what's I was reading 123 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:37,700 about him the other day, and you have to he's in, is he, is it? 124 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:41,380 EMT? Is that what he's trying to do, is doing well. 125 00:09:41,380 --> 00:09:44,920 He's been an EMT, and he's been an advanced EMT. He's finished 126 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,240 up his health science degree and emergency medicine, and he's 127 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:54,100 finished, finished up his paramedics degree certification. 128 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:59,260 I should say he's finalizing. He has to put in 500 hours of 129 00:09:59,260 --> 00:10:03,120 clinical hours. Hours. And so he's doing that now, 24 hour 130 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,560 shifts. But ultimately, and he's had this goal since middle 131 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:12,360 school, and it has not changed, he would love to pair his 132 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:17,040 respect for law enforcement and his love and passion for 133 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:24,860 medicine together. And so his goal, ultimately, for now, is to 134 00:10:24,860 --> 00:10:30,200 be an FBI hostage rescue medic, and so he's on that path to do 135 00:10:30,260 --> 00:10:30,500 that. 136 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:34,340 Well, that was very cool. He's not taking after the other boys 137 00:10:34,340 --> 00:10:37,160 of doing music or anything like that. 138 00:10:38,300 --> 00:10:42,100 No, now he has music abilities. I mean, he started, he was 139 00:10:42,820 --> 00:10:46,720 playing violin at the age of two, and he was a part of the 140 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,140 Nashville Suzuki players for years, up until we moved to 141 00:10:50,140 --> 00:10:53,620 Austin, and they performed everywhere, including Disney 142 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:59,680 World and Orlando and all over and he plays drums, but that's 143 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:04,500 not his passion. I speak a little bit about it in the book 144 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:09,120 that his father really wanted him to get into the music, 145 00:11:10,260 --> 00:11:14,580 really, any aspect of the music business, not just performing, 146 00:11:14,580 --> 00:11:20,100 but even sound engineering, you name it. But as he expressed to 147 00:11:20,100 --> 00:11:24,860 both of us that was not his passion. And then, you know, I 148 00:11:24,860 --> 00:11:28,400 spoke to him when he graduated high school in the year of 2020, 149 00:11:30,500 --> 00:11:35,360 the year of clear visions and nightmares sometimes. But I 150 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:42,460 said, Now, if you aren't sure of what you want to do that's okay 151 00:11:42,460 --> 00:11:45,760 because you're still young, and a lot of people don't have that 152 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,720 vision. And he said, Mother, I've spoken I've thought about 153 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,440 it a long time, and if someone told me I couldn't do this, I'd 154 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,220 get very depressed. And I said, well, then it's your calling. So 155 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,660 it really is a calling, 156 00:11:59,380 --> 00:12:02,160 definitely, definitely, definitely. And are you still 157 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,880 close with it seems like you may still be close with the Oak 158 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,980 Ridge Boys. Some of the I you know Richard sturban is really 159 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:15,120 been having some struggles with his health recently, and I 160 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,540 noticed that you were, you were talking about it on social 161 00:12:18,540 --> 00:12:24,320 media, that you were basically asking folks to pray and keep 162 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:24,800 them in your 163 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,920 his wife, well, you know, I met all of them when I was 21 Yeah, 164 00:12:30,980 --> 00:12:35,720 and so they are very much. Them and their families, their 165 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,980 children and now their grandchildren are very much 166 00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:45,340 there's a family unit for years. I converse with Donna on a 167 00:12:45,340 --> 00:12:51,400 regular basis, and sometimes about our kids, and sometimes, 168 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,940 and a lot the last year about Richard, because we're all 169 00:12:54,940 --> 00:13:00,160 concerned he just had his last chemo, and so we're hoping this 170 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,780 will put him in remission, and he will be back on the road 171 00:13:04,380 --> 00:13:11,040 soon, and I know he's looking forward to that as well, but I I 172 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,700 think there's a bond there when you've been together for that 173 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:18,600 long. So some of the family members I certainly still stay 174 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,480 in contact with, and they do with me 175 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:24,800 and Brenda, I would think, you know, the passing of Joe Bonsall 176 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,560 had to be just really, really tough, 177 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:34,940 very tough, because he was such an active, vibrant person and so 178 00:13:34,940 --> 00:13:42,220 positive. And, I mean, he would be on stage. He was the one, you 179 00:13:42,220 --> 00:13:46,060 know, jumping all over the place and active, and he that's how he 180 00:13:46,060 --> 00:13:50,260 was off stage, too. And so I think it took everyone by 181 00:13:50,260 --> 00:13:57,280 surprise. And I was close with Joe. I'm the one who got him his 182 00:13:57,460 --> 00:14:01,500 facilitated his first book deal and made him a published author, 183 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:08,220 and so I became very close with him, working with him one on one 184 00:14:08,220 --> 00:14:10,680 about that, you know, during that time and his 185 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:15,060 excitement Well, you know, years ago, I was at MCA Records. I was 186 00:14:15,060 --> 00:14:19,140 a promotion guy for MCA back in the 80s, and had quite a bit of 187 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:25,160 dealings with the Oaks way back when. When were you with the Oak 188 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,620 Ridge Boys? You said you were a young woman. But what time 189 00:14:27,620 --> 00:14:28,580 period was that 190 00:14:29,660 --> 00:14:32,780 I start? I began working for the Oaks in 1985 191 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:39,020 okay, 21 all right, well, I was 24 in 1985 and when I came, I 192 00:14:39,020 --> 00:14:40,460 came to MCA in 1985 193 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,300 and I'm, you know, we probably, yeah, American vagabond, yeah, 194 00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:50,260 yes, we probably have had some dealings with one another way 195 00:14:50,260 --> 00:14:55,360 back when, and didn't realize it. But so yeah, we hit the town 196 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:56,320 at the same time. 197 00:14:57,580 --> 00:15:04,380 Yes, and I. Guess I started. I was William's personal 198 00:15:04,380 --> 00:15:09,960 assistant, and he came out with a solo album on MCA, 199 00:15:10,020 --> 00:15:13,140 yes, I recall that, yep, yep, yeah. From where, yeah, we 200 00:15:13,140 --> 00:15:15,600 worked that record, you bet, yeah. 201 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,200 And that's during that time, is when I met Pam Lewis, oh yeah. 202 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,880 They're really alive professionally. And it was 203 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,420 during that time that I met her, yeah, all right, cool. 204 00:15:26,540 --> 00:15:29,240 Did you work with Pam Lewis in any way? 205 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,820 Very much so. And I speak about that in the book a little bit. I 206 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:41,380 met her working with, you know, American vagabond, helping do 207 00:15:41,380 --> 00:15:46,720 that. But when I met Pam, I was pretty much a gopher and a 208 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,380 secretary for her during American Vagabond and just 209 00:15:50,380 --> 00:15:55,720 observing her as a publicist, and I was very impressed with 210 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:01,500 her work and ideas and marketing people and publicize, 211 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:08,220 publicizing people out of using unique ways. She was a bohemian 212 00:16:08,220 --> 00:16:13,260 Yankee and I was a pre southern girl, and for some reason, we 213 00:16:13,260 --> 00:16:18,300 really hit it off during that time. And after American 214 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:26,180 Vagabond and after the Oaks parted ways, I would run into 215 00:16:26,180 --> 00:16:32,300 Pam at different events, usually award shows or in the ladies 216 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:35,720 room at different gatherings. And every time she'd come out, 217 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:42,100 she'd hit me up. She'd say, I'm going to start managing someone. 218 00:16:42,100 --> 00:16:46,360 Bob Dole and I are going to manage someone, and he, we're 219 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,120 going to make him bigger than country. That's what she kept 220 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,420 saying, the phrase she kept saying over and over again. And 221 00:16:52,420 --> 00:16:56,140 at the time, I thought, What do you mean bigger than country? I 222 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,500 didn't say anything, but that, it struck me that she would say 223 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:03,300 that. And she always had cassette tapes at that time all 224 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:07,500 over her, in her bag, in her pockets, and she would hand me 225 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,700 the latest cassette on him, and I would ask her, Well, what 226 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:16,020 record label Do you have him on? And she says, We haven't secured 227 00:17:16,140 --> 00:17:21,740 one yet, but we will. And I wouldn't see her for six or 228 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,780 eight months later, and she would go through the same spiel, 229 00:17:26,780 --> 00:17:30,260 and I would once again say, what record label Have you secured? 230 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,620 And we haven't yet, but we will. He's going to be bigger than 231 00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:38,180 country. And sure enough, they've secured a deal for him, 232 00:17:38,180 --> 00:17:41,800 and he became bigger than country, and that was Garth 233 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:51,820 Brooks. And so when my husband and I were going through some 234 00:17:51,820 --> 00:17:58,780 very serious financial strain because he was no longer an Oak 235 00:17:58,780 --> 00:18:06,060 Ridge boy, it changed overnight, overnight, and we were in a 236 00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:12,120 serious shape. So I hit Music Row in my high heels and 237 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:20,220 business suit, looking for a job. And I speak about this a 238 00:18:20,220 --> 00:18:23,720 little bit about how this changed my direction forever. To 239 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:30,860 this day, I happened to see Doyle Lewis management as I was 240 00:18:30,860 --> 00:18:35,600 knocking on many doors, and I hadn't seen Pam in about a 241 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:41,140 little over a year. And Garth was Garth, and this was in the 242 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:48,880 early 90s, very early 90s. And I thought, What do I have to lose? 243 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,880 I didn't even know if she was in town, because they traveled so 244 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:59,560 much. And so I went in, I asked for PAM. She graciously gave me 245 00:18:59,620 --> 00:19:04,620 some time, and I went into her office, and she closed the door, 246 00:19:04,620 --> 00:19:11,460 and she's she's very cut to the chase, and she said, what's 247 00:19:11,460 --> 00:19:16,800 going on? And I said, Pam, I need a job. And I said, I don't 248 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,020 care what you have available, I'll take any job. And she said, 249 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:28,460 she reached under her desk, she got her purse out and got her 250 00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:33,020 checkbook out, and she asked me how much we owed on our home. 251 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,600 And that stunned me, and I said, Pam, I don't want your money. I 252 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:45,580 just want a job. And she said, I don't. You can look at this as a 253 00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:50,200 loan. You can pay me back what you can when you can. And I 254 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,860 said, No, I don't want your money. I just want a job. And so 255 00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:58,480 she put her checkbook away, and she's very blunt. I love that 256 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,320 about her. You don't have to get. That's what she's thinking. 257 00:20:01,860 --> 00:20:08,040 And she said, Do you want a career, or do you want a 258 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,640 paycheck? Because I don't want anyone working for me who just 259 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:16,800 wants a paycheck. And I said, well, I need a paycheck, but I'd 260 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,080 like a career. And she said, start tomorrow. And she taught 261 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:27,560 me everything about PR, marketing, sponsorships. She 262 00:20:27,620 --> 00:20:33,680 really took the time to explain things, to show you know, things 263 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,520 to me. And a little over a year I was a senior publicist and the 264 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:43,720 director of her sponsorship. And that forever changed me, being 265 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,980 able to work around the number one entertainer in the world at 266 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:54,400 that time, internationally, and so working with his team, 267 00:20:54,700 --> 00:21:00,100 publicist and team of marketers who were and still are, the best 268 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:04,920 of the best in the business really gave me the ability to 269 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,240 make a good living for myself, and then later to be able to 270 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,980 make a good living for my son and I. So it changed my life. 271 00:21:14,219 --> 00:21:18,239 Wow, that says a lot for her and a lot for you as well. 272 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:24,200 Well, I'm forever grateful to Pam for doing that. Yeah. 273 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,520 I mean, she offered you a mentorship, ultimately, at a 274 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:33,320 time in your life when you know you you really, really needed 275 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:33,500 it. 276 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,860 I did, and you know, there were a lot of people that you know 277 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,660 y'all both have been in the business long enough that I'm 278 00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:47,140 sure you've seen this. When you're on the mountain, you have 279 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:54,340 everybody wanting to be your friend. But when you slide down 280 00:21:54,340 --> 00:21:58,300 to a valley, people will turn their heads so not to make eye 281 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:05,100 contact with you, and so to have someone, especially at the 282 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:09,480 heights she at that time, she had won Manager of the Year, the 283 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,960 third year in the row internationally for all genres 284 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,180 of music. I mean, she, pretty much her and Bob Dole, held the 285 00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:23,720 strongest hand in in the entire music industry, all genres. And 286 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,220 so she didn't have to help me. 287 00:22:27,380 --> 00:22:31,400 Yeah, I worked around Pam as well, and I know exactly where 288 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,920 you're coming from. And you know, she was part of that whole 289 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,000 MTV thing, you know, when MTV started, you know, in New York. 290 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,380 So she, you know, she'd been through the branches, you know, 291 00:22:41,740 --> 00:22:45,580 yeah, and Nickelodeon before that, you know, right out of 292 00:22:45,580 --> 00:22:50,620 college, she started with Nickelodeon, and then they took 293 00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:54,700 six people to launch a new network Nickelodeon did, and 294 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:58,000 that was MTV, and she started with that, and then from there, 295 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,880 to make it to Nashville, she went to RCA Records, and it is 296 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,980 my belief that she took a lot of the contacts and a lot of the 297 00:23:07,980 --> 00:23:13,380 things she learned working for Nickelodeon and MTV to help 298 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,180 advise and steer Garth's career to make him bigger than country. 299 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,820 You know, because a lot of people who would never feature a 300 00:23:22,820 --> 00:23:28,760 country music Act were featured Garth at the beginning. A lot of 301 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,020 it had to do with the context that she had made in New York. 302 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:34,220 You know, where she's from. 303 00:23:36,140 --> 00:23:41,200 So, so now your life is changed quite a bit. As far as you know, 304 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,820 you did divorce, went through a divorce, and that is that can be 305 00:23:47,020 --> 00:23:49,840 kind of a life change. Well, very much a life changer. Where 306 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:55,780 you do say, now, what do I do? And plus moving to what I guess 307 00:23:55,780 --> 00:23:59,260 you already told us, but, but now that you've moved to Austin, 308 00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:05,220 how is your life there, and what are you doing as far as your 309 00:24:05,220 --> 00:24:06,120 career goes? 310 00:24:07,380 --> 00:24:11,700 Well, it's changed. You know, I turned 62 next week. You do not 311 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:18,840 look good so well. Thank you. So I have my life has changed. 312 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,900 Except I am you still using things I've learned over the 313 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:29,540 years? One of the another thing that I write about in the book, 314 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,560 in the second chapter, which I titled thank you for being a 315 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:41,200 friend, is that while I was going through a divorce, and I 316 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:47,380 had just turned 50 years old, I got to a breaking point. I 317 00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:51,100 didn't know what I would do, professionally, financially, 318 00:24:51,340 --> 00:24:58,300 spiritually and always, I was at a very confused time. And for 319 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:03,780 some reason, I. I reached out, out of the blue on a day I go 320 00:25:03,780 --> 00:25:08,640 into more detail in the book, but I reached out to LIB 321 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:18,240 Hatcher, which aka Liz Elizabeth Travis, and I don't know why I 322 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,600 reached out to her, or what made me do that at that moment, but I 323 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,640 did. I didn't know what she was doing at the time, because it 324 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,080 had been about four years since she and her husband Randy Travis 325 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,380 had divorced. I didn't know where she was living, what she 326 00:25:36,380 --> 00:25:40,720 was doing at that time, but for some reason, I just reached out 327 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:46,960 to her and I call. I had five numbers on her. I didn't know if 328 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,840 any of them were still connected, but I picked the 329 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,840 middle number and called, and a woman answered and said, ETM. 330 00:25:56,500 --> 00:26:01,680 And I thought, I've got the wrong number. And she said, Who 331 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,100 are you calling for? And I said, lib Hatcher. And she said, This 332 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:06,600 is she. And it stunned me. 333 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,480 And that's when I realized I don't know why I'm calling. 334 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:18,900 I didn't know. I just had this feeling, this push to call her, 335 00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:25,160 and so I tried to get myself together and sound professional, 336 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,960 because I did have, I had admired her for her business 337 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:38,060 sense and level head over the years, and so I tried to get it 338 00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:41,440 together, but I turned out to Be a blubbering idiot and just 339 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,600 crying, and it was just awful and embarrassing. And she is 340 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:52,900 another strong lady who I admire, who helped me because 341 00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:58,540 she said, Brenda, I'm really busy right now, but I'm going to 342 00:26:58,540 --> 00:27:04,140 help you. And those words were like manna from heaven at that 343 00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:10,620 moment for me, of I'm going to help you. And she said, let me 344 00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:15,660 give you some advice. And I write about this in the book in 345 00:27:15,660 --> 00:27:22,220 great detail. And she said, you know, you're going to have to 346 00:27:22,220 --> 00:27:26,780 reinvent yourself. And the sooner she said, it doesn't 347 00:27:26,780 --> 00:27:31,340 matter if you were a good wife, a good business partner, good 348 00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:38,480 friend, whatever she said, this is very much a popularity and 349 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:45,520 monetary situation will always be that way, and the sooner you 350 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,420 realize that, and the sooner you reinvent yourself 351 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,540 professionally, personally and always, the sooner you're going 352 00:27:55,540 --> 00:28:02,700 to stop spinning your wheels. And so my reply was, Liv I'm 50 353 00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:06,840 years old. I'm too old to reinvent myself. Country Music's 354 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,400 all I've ever known. And she said, Brenda, if I can do it, 355 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,320 you can do it. And she says, I'm concentrating on the film 356 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:26,060 industry now. And she said, our first film into theaters and not 357 00:28:26,660 --> 00:28:30,740 into cable, is releasing this weekend, and she wanted to make 358 00:28:30,740 --> 00:28:35,900 sure that my son and I were in a theater and to bring a friend. 359 00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:42,880 And she said, You know, so I'm reinventing myself. And she 360 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,320 said, Are you, are y'all going to be in the theater? I said, 361 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,920 certainly. What's the name of your film? And she said, God's 362 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:57,280 not dead. Oh, wow. And when she said that, a chill ran up my 363 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,420 arm, not because, you know, at that time, God's Not Dead, 364 00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:07,560 wasn't even released and but the chill ran up on my arm, because, 365 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,660 as I write about in the book, before I called her, I had a 366 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:18,480 pity party with God. Out loud, I was just, you know, boo hoo into 367 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,480 God and out loud, pacing the floors and at my wit's end of my 368 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:30,440 situation. And so I felt like, when she said, God's Not Dead, 369 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:37,160 that it was an answer, that he's not, you know, he's going to be 370 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:44,380 active, and that he did hear my prayers. And so with lib 371 00:29:44,380 --> 00:29:48,520 hatchers or Elizabeth Travis's help, my situation did turn 372 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:55,360 around with her intervention. And God's Not Dead broke all box 373 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,120 office records that little film internationally broke all. All 374 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,460 records. And so a few months later, just a couple of months 375 00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:10,320 later, it was her birthday, and I texted her, and she was in 376 00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:16,260 Italy, and I wished her a happy birthday, and she texted me back 377 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,380 a picture when we had spoke earlier, and I go into this in 378 00:30:21,380 --> 00:30:29,060 the book, she gave me an example that after her and Randy's 379 00:30:29,060 --> 00:30:34,220 divorce, some individuals that she was very close to, more than 380 00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:39,200 business associates, wouldn't return her phone call or 381 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,700 wouldn't return her email, and that's when she realized that 382 00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:45,880 she was going to have to reinvent herself and not be able 383 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:52,720 to work in the country music field, per se. And she said, you 384 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,480 know, she said it really hard because they were closer than 385 00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:01,620 just business associates, and she had mentioned that in our 386 00:31:01,620 --> 00:31:05,760 first conversation. And so on her birthday, she when I wished 387 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,480 her happy birthday, she sent me a photo this beautiful chocolate 388 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,540 ganache cake that said Happy birthday was gorgeous with red 389 00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:19,020 rose petals, and she mentioned those individuals that did not 390 00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:22,820 return her emails or phone calls during a very hard time that she 391 00:31:22,820 --> 00:31:26,420 was going through of transitions. And she said, you 392 00:31:26,420 --> 00:31:32,240 know, this was just delivered to my hotel room. And she said, My 393 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:38,960 what one little movie can do? God's Not Dead. So Liv and I 394 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:46,060 have become closer. She wound up purchasing a home in San Antonio 395 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,780 about the same time I purchased my home in Austin without even 396 00:31:49,780 --> 00:31:54,940 knowing it. We didn't even know that we were we wouldn't be in 397 00:31:54,940 --> 00:31:58,060 that close of proximity. 398 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,360 Well, and you're, talking about God. When you were talking about 399 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,900 something just made you call her. I thought, well, that's a 400 00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:08,400 God thing, right there? 401 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:13,980 Yeah, I hindsight, I see that, you know, because at the time 402 00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:18,540 when I had my 20 minute pity party with God and saying, Where 403 00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:23,600 are you? Are you hearing me? Are you seeing what's happening to 404 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,160 me? Right after 20 minutes of this, I collapsed on the floor, 405 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:34,160 and it was as if God said, Are you finished? You know, I just, 406 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,440 you know, really was disappointed in God at that 407 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:46,420 time, and I got an overwhelming feeling out of the blue to call 408 00:32:46,420 --> 00:32:50,500 lib, and I don't know why, because we weren't, you know, 409 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,060 the few times I had conversed with Lib, and it had been so 410 00:32:55,060 --> 00:33:02,040 many years Prior, it was very formal, distant and informal and 411 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:09,300 brief, I had nothing to offer lib So for her to help me, she 412 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:14,040 had no reason to help me. She didn't know me, really. She knew 413 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,840 of me, because when, 414 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,120 when she answered and said that it was her 415 00:33:21,740 --> 00:33:24,740 and I was trying to pull myself together to sound professional, 416 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,600 I said, you probably don't remember me, but I'm Brenda 417 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,840 Golden, and I know more. Said that. She says, I know exactly 418 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:40,420 who you are, which stunned me and so but at the same time, I 419 00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:44,860 had nothing to offer her. I had she had no reason to help me. 420 00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:50,860 And at that time, God's Not Dead was not God's Not Dead. So she 421 00:33:50,860 --> 00:33:56,140 had not had the windfall financially at that time from 422 00:33:56,260 --> 00:34:01,620 the movie. So there was no reason for her to help me, so 423 00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:04,740 the fact that she did, I'm grateful for 424 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,900 well, and two, I was going to ask you about 425 00:34:11,219 --> 00:34:13,979 about Frank Stallone, because I've heard you. 426 00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:20,240 What's your relationship a great guy, he seems like he'd be a 427 00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:26,420 great guy. I was watching, I think Sly Stallone had a it was 428 00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:30,980 a reality show, and it featured him and his wife and their three 429 00:34:30,980 --> 00:34:35,360 daughters, and Frank was always on there. And I they're very 430 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,420 close. Yeah, it seemed like it slime. 431 00:34:38,420 --> 00:34:42,280 Frank are very close. You know, he's one that you don't know 432 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,640 what he's going to say. He's going to say exactly how he 433 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:51,280 feels, no matter what the subject is. But I met Frank 434 00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:59,680 through sly's stunt man and stump stunt double Mark de la 435 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,120 San. And in fact, I spoke with Mark delessandro yesterday. He 436 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:09,420 called me, and he's a crazy man, but he did all the stunt body 437 00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:15,600 doubles, stunt doubles for sly since the second rocky Rambo. 438 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,020 He's Pirates of the Caribbean, you name it this. This guy has 439 00:35:21,020 --> 00:35:24,920 done it. He's one of the top Hollywood stuntmen. So he's 440 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:31,880 also, he's, he's worked with sly for close to 30 years, and so 441 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,780 he's very close to sly, because he was his body double. He's, he 442 00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:39,800 still is, you know, and stunt double at times, even though sly 443 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,140 does a lot of his own stunts, though, the stunts that the 444 00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:48,940 insurance company will not allow slide to do, Mark delessandro 445 00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:54,040 does. So you can imagine how crazy he is. And so Mark 446 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,080 introduced me to Frank, and I worked briefly with Frank. Frank 447 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:04,560 is a very talented man. He, you know, he wrote most all the 448 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,320 soundtrack to staying alive. He's a Golden Globe nominee, as 449 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,480 well as Grammy nominee. He has a great career of his own. He 450 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,480 performs, he sings, he writes, you know, he acts. Has been in 451 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:27,020 great film. So I was going out for I would go to Los Angeles to 452 00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:32,540 see all the premieres of God's Not Dead. Or do you believe 453 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:39,260 other Pure Flix entertainment films, which Elizabeth is one of 454 00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:41,980 the four partner, founding partners of Pure Flix 455 00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:47,320 entertainment. And so I was going out there for, I want to 456 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,960 say it was the third God's Not Dead. And I was working with 457 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:59,260 Frank at that time. So I took Frank to the premiere to meet 458 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:05,340 Elizabeth and to meet all her partners and so, but I worked 459 00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:09,120 briefly with Frank, but he's he's a good guy. He looks like 460 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,620 he don't know what they were going to say. 461 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,760 Well, I noticed that by watching that reality show, it seemed 462 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:21,440 like he would say anything, and he's still that way. Well, as 463 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,640 far as Nashville goes, Do you still have because Nashville can 464 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:31,520 be a weird town, as far as you know, people will kind of, I 465 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,000 guess, break off from you if you're not in the business, or 466 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,660 if you're not in the town anymore, whatever. But do you 467 00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:41,440 still have close ties to Nashville as far as some people 468 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:41,800 go, 469 00:37:42,940 --> 00:37:46,660 very much. So my best friend still lives there, and I still 470 00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:51,340 have very dear friends in the industry, Scott stem, who I met 471 00:37:51,820 --> 00:37:59,080 during the Garth days, and he now manages Scott and has been 472 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,820 in so many other positions. I have a lot of dear friends that 473 00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:07,680 are still in the industry because I booked talent. I still 474 00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:12,120 have connection, you know, have to correspond with Nashville, so 475 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,460 I still do that. 476 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:19,740 So what do you as far as now? What? Because I really want to 477 00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:22,820 read the book myself, because we've all gone through this. We 478 00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:27,260 go through, you know, changes in our lives, and especially when 479 00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:31,940 you get, as you said, the golden years, because I recently went 480 00:38:31,940 --> 00:38:35,660 through the same thing with losing a job that I had in I 481 00:38:35,660 --> 00:38:39,560 mean, I've been in radio for, you know, nearly 50 years, and 482 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,700 all of a sudden that rug got pulled out from under me, and 483 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,760 I'm thinking, you know, like you say in this title of the book, 484 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,460 now what? And you have to basically redefine yourself. Do 485 00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:55,660 you think the book? Is it helpful to especially I think of 486 00:38:55,660 --> 00:39:01,200 women that go through a lot of changes, as far as divorces and 487 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:07,440 life changes as far as careers goes. Do you think it might help 488 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,200 a lot of women that are out there that are going through 489 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,060 like, what do I do now, 490 00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:19,740 from the beginning, I my purpose for this is, if I was going to 491 00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:22,700 write something, I wanted it to have a purpose and not just be 492 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:29,180 some kind of, you know, book of fodder, and because I needed 493 00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:34,220 advice and help when I was going through this at midlife, and I 494 00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:39,920 wanted it to be for males and females, because both males and 495 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,800 females go there are so many, and I'm surprised. I've been 496 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,280 very surprised. The book has only been released since January 497 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:55,300 1, but it was on Kindle was released about them before 498 00:39:55,300 --> 00:40:00,780 Christmas, and I was surprised at how many people. Have already 499 00:40:00,780 --> 00:40:05,160 messaged me or emailed me, people, some people I don't even 500 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:10,860 know, both male and females, who have said I can relate to what 501 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,140 you've written about. I've went through similar situations, and 502 00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:19,920 so that really you don't have to be a female going through a 503 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,140 divorce. Are there so many life changes from losing losing a 504 00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:29,360 spouse, either from divorce or death or the unexpectedly, or 505 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,940 having to relocate or having to change careers? It just so 506 00:40:34,940 --> 00:40:40,960 happened that when I turned 50, in my golden years, I lost a 507 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,340 spouse to a divorce, relocated to a new state where we knew no 508 00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:50,440 one had to change career. So I kind of went through it all at 509 00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:57,040 one time, you know? And so it's not a how to book as much as 510 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,980 this is what I experienced, and this is what I learned through 511 00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:03,660 going through that process. 512 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,160 Well, it does help to talk to somebody that has it's more of 513 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,720 like relating to, oh, I've gone through this myself, and I think 514 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:16,140 that it sounds like that's what the book is like, is that 515 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,500 you're not feeling like you're alone. Yeah, that's the big 516 00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:23,660 thing. You can feel very isolated and feel like there's 517 00:41:23,660 --> 00:41:26,480 no one who can understand what I'm dealing with. 518 00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:30,860 Well, especially when you change everything, like you just said, 519 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,180 going through a divorce, moving to a new town, and starting 520 00:41:35,180 --> 00:41:39,200 everything over that, and especially at the ages. Well, we 521 00:41:39,260 --> 00:41:45,640 are it can be daunting, and it does help to talk to people that 522 00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:48,160 have gone through similar things, and it sounds like 523 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,200 that's what this book does, 524 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,880 yes, and to encouragement, to give people encouragement that 525 00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:58,840 there is light at the end of the tunnel. It took me a long time 526 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,120 to realize that there, there was a line at the end of the tunnel, 527 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,940 because I thought, this is never going to end. This is never 528 00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:10,980 going to get better. But to have someone let you know that 529 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,620 things, there is life in your golden years, there is life a 530 00:42:16,620 --> 00:42:17,520 great life 531 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,980 after you have to make a major change. 532 00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:26,060 Well, very good. I hope the book is very successful for you, and 533 00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:29,300 it's been a pleasure to get to know you and get to talk to you 534 00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:33,860 today. And we just wish you a lot of success in everything you 535 00:42:33,860 --> 00:42:37,460 do. And by the way, are you? Are you? Are you doing any two 536 00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:42,340 stepping out there in the in Texas? I am, Oh, good. 537 00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:47,080 I knew the basics of two stepping, but just the basic. 538 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:52,420 But these people really know how to two step. And the whole thing 539 00:42:52,420 --> 00:42:57,580 about it is having a strong, good leader. And so I have been 540 00:42:57,580 --> 00:43:01,860 dancing with a couple of men lately who are great two step 541 00:43:01,860 --> 00:43:04,320 leaders, and they make me look look good. 542 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000 Well, I think you can do that pretty much on your own, don't 543 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:09,120 you? 544 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,680 Yeah, I agree. I think I would take lessons on how to lead just 545 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,940 to be able to dance with you. 546 00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:21,320 There you go. Well, we wish you a lot of success for the book, 547 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,200 and the book is available basically everywhere, correct? 548 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,280 Yes, sir, and it's called now what? And by gosh, I've said 549 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,180 that a lot in my life, but I really appreciate you putting 550 00:43:32,180 --> 00:43:35,480 out the book and coming on this show today, and we really 551 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,140 appreciate it. 552 00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:39,740 Brenda, thank you, John. Thank you so much. 553 00:43:39,799 --> 00:43:42,699 Well, you guys be sure and join us once again on circling the 554 00:43:42,699 --> 00:43:44,919 drain. J, where can they catch us? 555 00:43:44,980 --> 00:43:48,700 Yeah, Johnny. B, thanks, yeah, of course, you can track us down 556 00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:52,660 on the website that would be circling the drain.net, we've 557 00:43:52,660 --> 00:43:56,980 got merchandise there, pardon me, as well as all of the all of 558 00:43:56,980 --> 00:44:00,160 our episodes, and, of course, all the social media platforms, 559 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,560 Facebook, Twitter, our YouTube channel, like and share and 560 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,780 subscribe to all that stuff. So yeah, we try to be everywhere, 561 00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:10,320 Johnny, we're 562 00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:13,199 working on it. Well, we are. And once again, the book is called 563 00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,919 now what with Brenda golden? We wish her a lot of success, and 564 00:44:16,919 --> 00:44:19,439 we wish you will come back and see us again on 565 00:44:19,439 --> 00:44:23,419 circling the drain. That sounds great. Thank you very much. 566 00:44:23,479 --> 00:44:23,839 Thank you, 567 00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:25,399 Brenda, I really appreciate you coming.