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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to

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another episode of The Bible Guys.
Here we are, we are here,

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and we are going to jump right
into Desiree's game. It's a lot like

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taboo. And for those who are
listening, you can just believe us.

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For those who are watching, we
are going to hopefully put the words up

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on the screen of the words that
I cannot say. But my goal is

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to get you to say words.
Okay, So I have to guess what

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you're trying to get me to say
without you saying the thing. The clues.

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Okay, And by the way,
this is according to desire She assigned

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points. Listen, listen to this. You're going to give Jeff clues to

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see if you can guess the bold
word without the keywords. You are not

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allowed to say the italicized words,
or else you will lose one thousand points.

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Oh okay, And so she just
tossed that points. I didn't even

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know I had a bucket of I
don't know do I have. Points are

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going to go negative starting at zero. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're

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going to go negative and you're going
to points in the future. Points.

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I didn't know there was a running
talient points. All right, here we

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go. Ready, Before you attack
a city, you have to come up

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with a plan plan. Wow,
okay. I was not allowed to say

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scheme, strategy, plot, idea
or architect very good. Nailed it,

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all right, me, buddy.
When you have supper, you have to

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sit at a table, table.
I wasn't allowed to say chair, desk,

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dinner. I said supper, tennis
or claw. Yeah. Hey,

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that's right, all right, I'm
semantics, but hey, it's I mean,

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I mean I didn't say anything.
You're right, okay, okay,

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Ready, the Ark of the Covenant
was made out of gold. Gold,

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that's it. So I wasn't allowed
to say silver, treasure, We are

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killing this. I just want you
to know or mine. Well, that's

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all about me. Yeah right,
it's all about the clues. Yeah yeah,

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all right, So here we go. Ready. You always say we

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don't take, but we receive the
we don't take it, we receive it

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offering, the offering. Oh yes, yes, so I wasn't along the

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mafia takes offerings. Yeah, that's
right, that's right. And by the

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way. That's Jeff's big thing.
So when I got to Heritage, I

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think one of the first times I
get up, I said, hey,

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it's time to take our offering.
And then he saw me afterwards and said,

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you know, it's really bad language
to say take an offering, you

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know, so say receive. But
that's it's not a suggestion, that's a

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commandment, all right. I learned
that. So I wasn't allowed to say

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sacrifice, peace, burnt, offer, or off. Okay, so offerings,

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yeah, I don't understand the offer
or off. I don't know.

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Oh offer and offering, offer a
burnt okay, yeah, yeah, but

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the off thing anyway, all right. And so she was this last one's

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pretty hard. Okay. Today we're
talking about the table of bread. Bread

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bread, yeah, bread bread,
Oh that was it? Yeah, Oh

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wow, Okay. I wasn't allowed
to say loaf, butter, dough,

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wheat, or toast. Okay.
Wow, that was a tough one.

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Yeah, but I got them pretty
pretty good. Pretty good, good job,

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Chris. We should go on if
the ministry doesn't work out for us,

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we should just be like professional game
show people. Just go on all

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the game shows and win them all. I'm not sure that we would do

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that. We would would we?
Oh yeah, man, you're you're amazing

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Chris. Look look how well you
just did right there. It's all about

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me. Uh huh. I do
like games. I like game shows.

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We need like ten thousand dollars every
week. What is the game show that

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if you're flipping the channels and it's
on, you'll usually pause and watch a

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segment of it? Oh? Man, usually pause. I know what it

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is. I'm not many. I
used to. We got really caught up

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and who wants to be a millionaire? Back in the day? Oh yeah,

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back in the day. Yeah,
but but the original one, not

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the not the girl one right right, she was terrible. But I don't

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watch game show as much. For
me, I already know what it is.

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So I have a game show network. I used to have a game

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show network, but always no,
no, no, although that's pretty good,

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but not fortunate. Nope, it
is family feud, family feud,

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Okay, okay, family feuds.
One I'll watch Yeah it's one. Steve

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Harvey's funny, Yeah Steve. And
two that's it's a clever show. Yeah

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it's really good. And and uh
and and you know you could immediately try

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it you're right, whereas like,
you know, well, fortune is like

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so slow sometimes you know, and
you're like the ell and you're like,

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okay whatever. But but but immediately
when there's a question asked, you go,

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I have an answer right. And
it's different than Jeopardy yelling at the

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TV. Jeopardy is one answer right, and you have to you have to

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sort of play Jeopardy the whole thing. But you could, you could.

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You could pause and watch it for
five minutes and then leave it and play.

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What I'm saying, that's true,
you're right. So I don't watch

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a ton of the game shows,
but with my kids, it seemed like

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I remember thinking, the last time
I watched Family Feud was at the emergency

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room. Then the next time I
watched Family Feud was at the emergency room,

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and then so I don't know,
if they just have Family Feud on

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the emergency room, that might be
the only thing they do is just reruns

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the Family Feud. But it was
probably two or three times in a row,

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taking the kids, you know,
to the for dislocated arm or broken

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the arm or something. You know, we wind up going, and it

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seemed like Family Feud was always on
the yeah, yeah, Well I distract.

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I don't know why. I don't
know what to do with that.

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That was a little nugget they had
nothing information. Well, I'm just suggesting

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that perhaps they have it on a
maybe there's some medical reason for having it

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on replay on joy. I don't
know. Yeah, put something that causes

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people joy. Yep. Maybe most
people like it like me. So we

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were talking yesterday about the idea that, oh, we wish we had the

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ability to just go through all of
the different features of the tabernacle without looking

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ahead and realizing actually, what we're
going to do is go through all the

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different features of the tabernacle. Desiree
already had a setup for that and we

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just didn't realize it. That's so
fun. So we already talked about how

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God said, build it right,
and then he's he and collect the offerings,

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and you're going to need all these
special things. And then the first

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thing you wanted design and built was
this arc of the Covenant where the cover

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of atonement was going to be right, the mercy seat. And then the

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next thing that he wants. He
says this in Exodus chapter twenty five,

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verse twenty three. He says,
then make a table of acacia wood thirty

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six inches long, eighteen inches wide
and twenty seven inches high. Overlay it

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with pure gold and run a gold
molding around the edge. Decorate it with

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a three inch border all around and
run a gold molding around the border.

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Make four gold rings for the table
and attach them at the four corners next

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to the four legs. Attach the
rings near the border to hold the poles

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that are used to carry the table. Make these poles from acasha wood and

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overlay them with gold. Make special
containers of pure gold for the table,

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bowls, pans, pictures, and
jars to be used in pouring out liquid

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offerings. Place the bread of the
presents on the table to remain before me

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at all times. Yeah, so
this is the table of presents, or

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sometimes it'd be called the table of
showbread. Yeah, show bread. Yep.

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And so there's really not a ton
here about this piece that we know

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about other than this symbolism. Right. So the symbolism is pretty cool.

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But I'll read some of it and
then you could chime in. I'let me

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read the opening paragraph on this,
so you know, for me, I'm

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looking these things up right before the
podcast, right, Although I do know

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a lot about the tabernacle and its
contents inside, but I would say this

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one here is the one. I
was like cheese, we're going to talk

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about it says the primary purpose of
the table was to hold the bread of

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the presence, and it says literally
translated as the bread of the face.

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That's interesting, which was set before
the presence or the face of Yahweh.

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Each Sabbath, the priests would replace
the loaves from the previous week with a

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fresh batch of bread. Exactly twelve
loaves were arranged into two rows of six,

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and these loaves represented the twelve tribes
of Israel. Now they're probably describing

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it in the Solomon's Temple, or
wouldn't you think, No, No,

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it was the twelve tribes of Israeli
now, but yeah, with Joseph,

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right, that was before the slavery. These loaves were a food offering to

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God that was perpetually carried out as
a covenant forever. As mentioned in Leviticus

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chapter twenty four. It also represented
so it represented God's work or the work

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of the priests. Right, there's
all that. That's why he's he's really

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specific about the size and where the
rings are and how poles or you know,

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be able to carry all these things, and so he's highlighting the work

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of the priests of the people.
And then it also the bread represents God's

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provision for the people. So the
people are sacrificing bread to God, which

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was their main food staple. So
they're bringing sacrifice to God, saying,

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hey, what keeps us alive?
We're surrendering to you first. And then

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it also represents the fact that God
always provides, so as they bring to

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God, God always provides enough for
them, right, and so that was

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a big part of it. He's
giving so many specific instructions, it's really

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amazing. Not twenty six inches and
not twenty eight inches, twenty seven inches,

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twenty seven and now only that.
I want the molding around the edges.

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I want the gold like this,
I want this part covered, I

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want this open wood. I want
rings over here. I want it to

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be cornered like this. God's really, really, really, really precise on

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his designs, and it shows that
God is intentional on everything, that He's

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actively engaged in everything with your guard
to his connections with you, because worship

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is just connecting with God. And
so he's having them build these these articles

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for worship. But really it's about
the fact that God is intimately involved with

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every aspect of human connection with him. Yeah, and in the extravagance of

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you know, things being pure gold. So you know, you mentioned earlier

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that you know, they left Egypt
and one of the miracles you know,

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that wasn't listed actually as a miracle, but it was the fact that their

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pockets were filled with silver and gold. That that that they went to the

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Egyptians and the Egyptians gave them all
this money, so they had all the

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resources. Well imagine this, where
would they have gotten the gold to build

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all this? So so in other
words, you're a slave, Okay,

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the forester household is generations and generations
of being slaves. And then all of

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a sudden Moses tells you go collect
gold. So you go around to all

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the Egyptians that know you, and
they willingly give you all this gold.

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And so now you're rich. Right, you have, you have resources,

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You take it back, you carry
it with you and all of that,

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but you carry it a very very
very long way for a long time,

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for a long time. If only
get to a place where you establish a

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city, right, it's probably at
the base of Mount Sinai, you know,

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and this is where you're going to
be. And then and so you

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build a temporary dwelling. I'm sure
like it's some sort of a tent or

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something like that. Yeah, but
then you have your your gold and it's

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like, this is my family's gold. And then all of a sudden,

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Moses comes down and says, okay, we need build and we need a

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bunch of gold, right right,
we need a bunch of gold. Where's

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he gonna get it? The people
have to give it, don't they.

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They have to. God's not going
to just it doesn't say anyway that that

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He's going to provide gold out of
a mountain, right, so the people

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are going to give. So my
point is, even though it doesn't say

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that, we have to, you
know, piece it together and understand that

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he's asking Moses to do this,
but it's for the people, which means

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the people are going to have to
give to the church. So this would

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be probably I think the first example
of people giving their resources to a place

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of worship, wouldn't it. Yeah, well this is their first place of

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worship as a people, as Israelites. Yeah, yes, so this would

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be there. So I mean it
had happened in other cultures and things,

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but for the Israelites, this will
be the first because you know, if

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you go before the you know,
if you go with Abraham, Isaac and

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Jacob and Joseph, there wasn't a
central place of worship for those people,

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so this would be it. So
I think you do have the one time

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Abraham is giving an offering, a
financial offering to Melchizedec a priest, right,

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yeah, so you have that piece, so it's in their history,

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but it wasn't for a place.
And that was also one person to a

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single a priest. But this is
a communal idea of the church, where

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everybody gives. If everybody, it's
not the church, it's a temple.

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I know, I know, but
I'm saying they called out people is where

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I was trying to refer to.
But but the the idea of a church

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anyway, if everybody gives a gold
ring, we'll have enough to cover one

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of the poles, right right,
you know that kind of thing. Well,

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and God wasn't asking for anything that
he hadn't already provided, that's right,

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right, So if he'd hauled them
all out of Egypt and hadn't given

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them the plunder of Egypt. It
would have been kind of rude to say,

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hey, I need you guys to
give me what you don't have,

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or dig right, start digging,
guys. But he wasn't asking for what

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they didn't have. He was only
asking for some He didn't even ask for

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all. He was only asking for
some of what he'd already provided. And

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it was plunder. And then the
other thing is, hey, when you're

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out in the middle of the desert, what good does gold do you?

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Right, It's just heavy. It
just burdens you down. Yeah, there's

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no good unless you're going to travel
in trade. Yeah, but it's it's

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useless to them out in the middle
of the desert. There's no there's no

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But how funny is that that we
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man, they'd be really hard.
I'd want to keep all my gold.

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I'm going to haul that heavy brick
around all the desert. You know,

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it doesn't do me any good,
but I don't want to let go of

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it. And you know, I
think a lot of times we get bogged

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down by the stuff in our life
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in reality we are literally wanderers on
this planet because this isn't home. We

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haven't made to the Promised Land yet, and we get bogged down by the

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extra weight of all this stuff in
our lives, and we just and then

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have a hard time imagining why God
ask for some of it. He didn't

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ask for all of it. He
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this table, you know, the
bread represents the fact that God provides,

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But then that God continually provides.
It's every week He'll be provided now,

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he'll provide again next week, He'll
provide again next week, provide again next

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week, and that God is always
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then you'll notice all these things have
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them because it's a temporary thing.
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the Promised Land yet. They're kind
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know, you and I have not
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And so we should make all of
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be portable. We shouldn't be putting
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right, preparing for what God has
for us. And then the extreme

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value of these things, even though
they're temporary, the respect that it takes,

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and the value of bringing the very
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even in these temporary situations. In
the tabernacle, they brought the very

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best of what they had, And
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Sometimes sometimes we can be a little
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you know, on one side.
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a blue jeens church, and I
see the value of that. The reason

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why I think that that was so
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conversation with a lady on the phone. She was very concerned that they wouldn't

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be welcome the church that they had
been in with some other people, some

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of the leaders have pointed out the
fact that their children didn't fit in because

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they were so poor, and that
maybe it be better, you know,

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to find some place where their peers
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devastated her. So she called and
she's asking all these questions about would they

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be welcome. They were extremely poor, And I can remember walking out on

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stage that next morning because I said, of course, you're welcome. And

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we had made a conscious decision that
we would go casual rather than suit and

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tie, we would go casual so
that people like her and her family would

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feel comfortable. And unbeknownst to me, I walk out on stage and clearly

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the poorest family in the whole church
was sitting next to what I knew to

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be the richest family in the church. And I never do this. I've

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never done it before, never did
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I just walked out, and before
I made eye contact with those people,

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I said, Hey, it's good
to be here. Won't you stand up,

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give somebody a handshake, a pat
back, give them a hug,

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let them know you're glad to see
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so I never encourage that, but
I did that day. And then I

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realize the poorest family sitting next to
the richest family. The richest guy in

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the room was where wearing a golf
shirt and a pair of khakis, and

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the guy, the poorest guy in
the room, was wearing a red Wings

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golf shirt and a pair of khakis. And they turned, they shook hands

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and then just leaned and gave each
other a hug. And the poor man

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didn't know that he was sitting next
to the rich man, and the rich

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man didn't know he's sitting next to
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that's why it's supposed to be right. The grounds level at the cross were

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all equals. And sometimes it had
that rich man been wearing a Brooks Brother's

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suit that cost three thousand dollars and
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It was just nicest clothes. They
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was more important than the other,
or richer than the other, right,

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but they didn't. So I appreciate
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sometimes our casual thing can turn into
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why we're there and who we're there
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that when we're coming gathering together for
worship, that we're making a conscious effort

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to remember that we're we're on holy
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sacred thing. This is an important, you know, sacred element, and

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this is a lot of what God's
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that's what I want is I want
you to it's to set apart. This

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isn't how you guys decorate your house. This is how you decorate my house,

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right, is what he's doing there, And there's something to that.

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So I liked living in the tension
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doing and where we're at and who
we're for is holy. Right at the

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same time, everybody's welcome. And
you know, it's so hard about this

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is that it's all semantics and it's
all interpretation, like for instance, like

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the fact that we don't have stained
glass windows and the fact that we don't

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have like you know, so we've
not chosen to have you know, crosses

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everywhere or crucifix everywhere, and uh
and then and there's something about an environment

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where you walk in And I grew
up in the you know, Catholic church

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and and I remember there was a
big, you know, huge cross.

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He's on the cross, and when
you walked into the fourier, he was

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there in the fourier and he just
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then, you know, depending on
which set of the doors that you walked

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in, because this head was tolded
one way, and as you've walked in

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and you looked up and he's looking
right at you. It's like, I'm

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not going in those doors anymore.
You know, that to me was just

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But when you stand in that type
of presence, it demands that you sh

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which is why I didn't feel like
there was permission for a lot of clapping

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or laughter or celebration or you know
what I would consider normal things, right,

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But then you lack, you know,

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the humanity side of it, the
relational side of it. You left,

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you know, you lack the whole
everything. A lot of stuff that's

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missing in the New Testament you lack. So it feels like an Old Testament

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type environment. But then when you
go to our church and we don't have

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many of those things. That's why
I appreciate a lot that we do Good

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Friday service often, and there is
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I'm sorry, yes I'm saying,
I'm saying almost every all the time,

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almost almost every Good Friday. We
have done this, Yes, since I've

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been there, and uh since yeah
so in my experience there so, and

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you've done plenty before that. But
but there's a reverence to that. And

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and because we're not as reverent as
we could be, I appreciate the reverence,

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and I think to myself, man, we we we missed this a

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lot, right, like we're not
as reverent as we should be. And

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and uh but at the same time, like it depends on what you believe,

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you know. Uh, you know, excellence translates into oh, you

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got to have your best. That
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people say that. I'm like,
that doesn't always mean suit and tie,

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Like, since what that doesn't equal
that, right, Because if that's the

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case, then you know you might
as well you can translate that into everything.

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Yeah. Right, Well, my
dad's thought. My dad said,

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Hey, I dressed for God like
I would dress for the president. That's

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that's that's that would be my dad's
view. There's a lot of respect and

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that right. Sure, And that's
wrong. No, that that's perfectly legit.

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If that's what If that's what you
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do that. Our choice in our
in our building is to level the ground

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so that there is no rich and
poor, right that that that's what we're

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trying to do in that environment.
But so I would say, make sure

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that it's intentional. But I think
that in an environment in ours where we

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work hard to be casual so that
you know, a poor person doesn't stand

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out. We have to also consciously
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understand this is a holy moment.
That song up there is not just a

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song. That's a holy moment for
you, right, That prayer is not

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just a one more religious hoop that
we jump through because it's a Sunday morning.

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That is a holy moment where we
are collectively going before our God.

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That's great, and and and so
because we're like we like this song,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is a casual attitude, right,

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but it's but it's a but it's
a reverence. It's it's you're going

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before Holy God. There's a there's
a there's a worship moment. And even

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God says, you know, come
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And when we enter into the presence
of God, which again I mean semantics,

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God is everywhere. We're always in
the presence of God. Right,

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But but but to but to go
before Him in prayer, it's it's as

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if God is saying, you're going
into the Holy of holies. Yeah,

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we're gathering together for these purposes,
and there's there's something holy in that.

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So, you know, having a
strategy where our intent is on a Sunday

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morning. We know that most people
who aren't Christians in our community, so

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we live in kind of a post
Christian area where most of the people have

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some kind of religious background, but
they're not currently uh you know followers of

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Christ. My father used to go
to some church somewhere. Yeah. Yeah,

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we we are aware that most of
the people if we stop them on

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the street and ask if you were
going to get right with God, what

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would you do? They would say, I'd go to church on Sunday morning

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and meet with a priest or pastor. That's what they tell us. So

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we on purpose make that are gathering
on a Sunday morning be for that lost

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person to introduce them to Jesus.
Right, That's what we're doing. And

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so our intent is different. But
we have you know, specific worship nights

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and we have gatherings. And I
think that those moments in the homes,

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if you look in the New Testament, they weren't you know, they were

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gathering in the temple. Certainly those
were those holy moments, but they're also

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gathering house to house that you know, for fellowship and for the purpose of

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leaning into the apostles, teaching and
all these things. And it's both sides.

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There's the holy side and the personal
relational side, and we just have

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to be conscious about both of them, not just embrace the casual without the

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holy, or not just the holy
without the normal people thing. There's a

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tension there, but God is really
setting it apart on purpose because they were

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only ever slaves and they had no
concept of the holy right, because this

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is generation's right four hundred years and
there had never been a tabernacle, so

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He's setting up going, hey,
this is particularly special because they'd never had

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it before. And so I just
have to be aware of the fact that

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there's kind of a pendulum that swings
back and forth where we go too casual

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too holy. And it convicts me
because we do a lot of the planning

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for the weekends and we should do
more very intentional, reverent kind of moments,

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right, and we do that sometimes. Yeah, we do this sometimes,

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but we should probably do it more
sure. And so that's what I'm

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taking away from this is that God
always provides, and he provides every week

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just like this. There's always enough
He wants to be with his people He's

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very engaged with the details of how
to come to him in this and God's

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paying attention to every detail in your
life. And then he invites us into

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the Holy and I think we have
to just be you know, even today

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as you pray, you know,
that's a holy moment. There's something special

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about that. That's awesome. All
right. Well, hey, that is

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our time, so we will see
you next time on the Bible. Guys,