Alan: So how's things?
It's been a few
weeks.
Yeah.
So how's things you've been busy.
You've been away, right.
Mario: Yeah, yeah.
I've been both busy and away at the same time.
Alan: You're supposed to have relax on holiday.
Do you know?
Mario: yeah.
Right.
I did actually, I did.
We went away for
about a
week and we got to disconnect and be off the grid for pretty much the entire time.
Alan: I'm
Mario: Except for a
couple of times where we had to drive to
somewhere where we could get signal because we needed to
put out a couple of fires.
But
other than that, we were off the grid for about a
week.
Alan: I think it's going off the grid actually comes with
its own form of, anxiety.
Right.
Because you're worried about what
you're missing
in terms of like, you know, any problems with servers or
just anything.
Yeah.
You know, you're
kind of
like when you see that certain bars come back, you're
like, oh
my God, the notifications are
just going to come.
Mario: Yeah,
Alan: So
Mario: just a stream of them.
Alan: yeah.
to get to a point where actually not getting
notifications doesn't create anxiety would be nice.
Mario: Yeah.
Yeah, totally no, but it was nice to be away for a while.
We went camping in the woods up in the mountains near Santa Cruz, California.
So Redwood forest, really nice.
Alan: Very nice.
Mario: Found a really nice campground and we did have access to,
restrooms and shower, but, you know,
Alan: that's the best kind to come ground to go
because you're you're away, but you still have running water.
Mario: Yeah, exactly.
And it was,
quite a bit of a walk to get to the restrooms, but still
Alan: were that
Mario: yeah, exactly.
They were there.
It was nice to have that
option, you know,
Alan: awesome.
Very nice.
Sounds.
Sounds fantastic.
You had good weather as well.
Mario: Oh, yeah, it was nice.
It's nice and
warm.
But at night it would cool
down a little bit, so it
would get really nice
and comfortable, you
know?
Yeah, yeah,
Alan: nice.
Very nice.
Mario: yeah,
So
Alan: we haven't had quite so a comfortable weather here.
We've been we've had a lot of rain, so
we say
it's it's been something else.
Yeah.
We for like four or five days straight, it was like constant,
just, and not a drizzly either that like proper, you know, proper rain.
So there's a town about 50 kilometers from here.
Not far.
And they had a one on over a meter,
so that's like three and a half over three and a half
feet of rain in three
days.
And in the
last five days, they've
had a third of their usual annual rainfall in five days.
So there's been like floods and landslides and everything.
We're okay here.
Cause.
Concrete.
But yeah, up in the mountains and the villages or towns around here,
we've just been like, oh, it's nasty.
Mario: Yeah, that's always a danger right.
In,
In, the countryside with Hills
and
mountains and getting those landslides When you have a lot of
rain coming down all at once.
Alan: Exactly.
It's kind of a lot of, you know, the, I remember when I first moved here,
date that happened, I think the year we first moved on the site, huh?
That's
pretty bad.
That happened the year after.
And it happened the year after it's basically happened every single year.
And there's supposed to be like a
once in a 50 year.
I think that this kind
of rain and landslides happen, it's like, no, no, it happens every year now.
That's just, that's the way it is now.
So,
Yeah, I think there's a lot of things gonna have to change.
But it's kind of scary.
Mario: Yeah.
Yeah.
Climate change is real.
Alan: Oh, yeah.
And things, it's not going to stop you though.
I mean, here,
the forecast areas for the next, like, look on, you know, apple weather,
it's like continuous rain for the
next, you know, until the whole screen is rain.
So it's like a hundred percent
chance every day.
And it's like, yeah, it's not going to stop anytime soon.
This is, suppose this isn't rainy season.
This is just, you know, summit now.
Mario: yeah.
Yeah.
Alan: So yuck.
No good.
So, yeah.
you haven't really done a lot to
fusioncast.
Then if you've been up in the mountains,
Mario: Yeah.
Yeah, both fortunately And
unfortunately, right.
Alan: you need it, you need that break,
Mario: yeah, yeah.
It
Alan: especially since you're studying new job and you're, you know, got to get
kind of back into gear for that.
It's
nice to have a bit of separation and a clear head a little bit before that.
Right.
As well.
Mario: Yup.
Yup.
Starting next Monday.
So
Alan: Excellent.
But you said it's fully remote, right?
So you go
from your
desk to the same place, just different set of coworkers, right.
Mario: Yup.
Yup.
Fully remote.
So,
Alan: Changing jobs.
Remote is that is kind of weird.
Yeah.
Because you're like, I'm still here.
It's just a different slack channel.
Mario: Right.
Alan: It's kind of weird as nice, nice
chance to get to know some new folks.
And I think so that the roles actually different.
Mario: It's more,
development, heavy, more
engineering side of things.
more so that than design or
anything like that.
I,
think they kind of liked that I have
some design background, you know I just know enough to be dangerous,
when it comes to design, But
Alan: You've got something to tell him that.
Mario: Yeah, thanks.
But primarily
the role is as
a developer.
Alan: I was pleasantly surprised this week.
So, you know, I've been kind of a little paranoid about my design skills
or rather lack of design skills.
And I tweeted something earlier in the week.
Just kind of a mini update was poked by nudged by a friend here.
And it's
like, you know, you haven't posted anything for ages.
And then you kind of get into this way.
Because you're
doing it, you assume people know about it.
Right.
And sometimes you kind of, it forces, you know, somebody else kind of
going, you know, you're not actually talking about it It's all going on in
your head, on, on your laptop, but.
you're not actually talking about it.
So just that small notice, like, oh Yeah, I should probably post something.
So I posted just a few screenshots of like the, the redesigned new check-in.
And like, does that a modal for like, you know, the welcome
modal or something?
So I posted those and somebody who I did some work for, oh
God, a really long time ago.
Like 10.
Yeah.
about 10, nine or 10 years ago.
So he he's built a number of companies.
He's kind of smart guy CEO of founded like an bank in the UK.
And so he posted like for for a new product that, you know, your, your app
looks incredibly elegant and really nice.
design.
And I'm like,
Mario: Oh,
Alan: seriously, I, I can't tell anymore.
And some of my friends would have followed up with like,
no, really is it looks great.
I I'm like That's That means a lot to me because I am really
self-conscious of the design, just because I don't have any confidence
in whether it's a good design or not.
It's like, Well, it looks not too untidy.
And it looks kind of okay to my iPad.
I've got no it's very difficult for me to, to be,
To, to actually have an understanding of whether it's good or
not.
So just to get somebody who I don't
have any regular contact with.
You know
w we don't really talk or
anything apart from, you know, a long time ago for him
to, to
say something like that was like oh, okay.
Maybe it's all right after all, if he's not so bad.
So that
was nice.
Mario: Well, no, it does look great.
I haven't seen the latest
redesign you've done, but, from using it before it's really nice and clean and,
and it has this, what I like, about it is
that it has this
nice combination of modern, but old school at the same time with
just simplicity, you know, very,
Alan: A few people have said this to
me before the eight kind of feels a slightly
retro and I'm like, eh, that's okay.
Mario: yeah,
Alan: don't mind
Mario: I'm pretty sure that's intentional,
Alan: it is
Mario: keeping it simple.
Alan: right.
I mean, it's it's partly just my aesthetic.
Yeah.
Preferences as well.
You know, I kind of like older style web applications
and you know, that style of just simplicity and.
So it does what it says.
Right.
So that, but with a slightly, you know, obviously tailwind UI has been
a, an absolute godsend for me, you know, just because it's given me
a good
set of
like foundation of like stepping stones to build upon.
And, and I think I mentioned before reading Adam's refactoring
UI, is it his, his book?
I'm sure I've mentioned before, but like I read through that a number of times
of just like, kind of dipping in, you know, when you, you dip into something
and you don't actually think that you've read it all, you kind of like, oh Yeah.
I kind of skimmed that.
I read a few pages and in your mind, it's like, no, I really
should go back and read that.
And then when you, do you realize you've actually probably read it
all just in different segments and.
And it struck me that when I did go back and look at it, I was actually
using the techniques that he covers without actually realizing it.
You know, I've kind of.
I I've somewhat absorbed them.
And it, I think it's helped my design skills a
lot, even though, you know, that's still a long way to go in
a style sense, but I
think the
A lot of
the things he talks about, I seem to have taken on board
subconsciously and seem to, be using those.
So hopefully that's helped as well.
So it's it's a really good resource that book and just tailwind UI in general,
just cause there's some very good.
Useful patterns in there
that you can build upon.
So yeah, I like it saves me save my life.
That's
Mario: yeah.
I haven't had a chance to,
I've seen tailwind UI, just a website and the sample, components
that they have there, but
I haven't to use the product itself and I haven't.
bought the book either,
but,
but I, but I am using tailwind
CSS, so it's awesome.
I love it.
Alan: I think then, I mean, there's
this
danger of falling into like, you know what bootstrap was in the
early two thousands, mid two thousands.
Maybe.
I can't remember when bootstrap first kind of started and it
was the
first re-usable and
dropping and looks good
framework.
There was this danger
of
suddenly everything looked like bootstrap, right.
You know, overnight, every website was bootstrapped.
Mario: yeah.
You could see it from a mile away.
Every
website Oh Yeah.
It's bootstrap.
Alan: It's pretty strong.
So there's a slight danger.
I mean, when you start using tailwind UI, you see this all the time.
You say, oh,
that windows it's the same
backgrounds, the same site you know,
color.
Mario: Same aesthetics.
Alan: Same aesthetics yeah.
So there's a slight danger of that, but it doesn't seem to have kind
of annihilated everything else.
Like bootstrapped did, there's not taken over in the same way,
but it's there's definitely easy to spot, but it, as I say, there's a lot
of components that are a lot of styles that I'm using that are completely my
own, but I started with a tailwind.
It may be, that was what it was first on the page.
And It's been completely rewritten and moved around a bit, but it stuck
with that general layout and the that the systems that it's using.
And it's, it's just a really good foundation for, for someone
like me who, you know, isn't,
doesn't have any design background to draw upon.
So it's
highly recommended for me.
Mario: Yeah.
Alan: well worth it.
Or is it $180 or something it's paid for?
It's you know, I think it paid for itself in the first hour when I used it
Highly recommended.
Mario: yeah.
yeah.
I'll, I'll get to it.
at some point.
Alan: Well, it's probably less
necessary for you because you obviously know based on, you know,
fusioncast, and you know, your, your landing pages and everything
yet, you
don't need, it so much
as.
but but the book is, is probably, there's probably even some
stuff
you get from this book, which is just like, oh yeah, that's why I do this.
I think more than anything that I'm explaining it's not just,
this looks good, this doesn't,
it's like, this is why this is better than this.
And just internalizing those things was really helpful for me.
So.
Mario: Yeah, Yeah, because that becomes repeatable.
And once you understand those principles and why we need
spacing, why you need, more.
all the core principles of design, repetition, you know, negative
space and all that stuff.
Alan: Yeah, a lot of stuff with just deemphasizing
texts with using colors and instead of like
labels and things,
just using color schemes and deemphasizing things with, you
know, bolding, certain things and it's
yeah.
Which, you know, adds, just
stick a label next to everything and go, is there, you know, what it is, right.
When someone says I there's a better
way,
and this is
how
you get it.
Oh, okay.
I get
Mario: Yeah.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
That's why a while back, I decided to invest a little more time in learning
a little bit of these principles because I was really clueless when it.
came to designs,
Alan: Yeah.
you didn't have any design background?
Either.
Mario: No, no, no.
I just started a few years ago.
I started paying more attention to that.
Okay.
Why is it that I like this website?
What are the characteristics that make it
a aesthetically pleasing?
Right.
And I started paying more
attention to that and okay.
I like the typography or, you know, how much space they used and how
things are lined up in a certain way and, or, you know, Different
little characteristics that make a site look, you know, nice and
look as aesthetically pleasing.
So, yeah, and I, I took some of those free email courses, you know,
you get a drip style, read some blog
articles and, and just all over time.
I kept.
Consuming more of that content and
internalizing
some of those principles of design
and, little by little, it was just,
you
know, I would like to think that I got a
little bit better, you know, about that
and, I just know enough
to
be dangerous.
Like I said.
Alan: no it's great.
So, I mean, I kind of learned programming the same way.
Right.
You know, nobody taught me to program.
It was like,
Mario: Hm.
Alan: read books and copied the other
people's code until I knew
how to do it.
Right.
So I guess,
similar thing, it's
just, I had less of a, I guess,
less
confidence in design, whereas, you know, code was always like this,
this
feels like my domain, whereas design, I don't know whether
it.
I guess it's not really gatekeepery or anything, but it feels
like, you know,
I Don't have permission to do
it well,
like I'm not the designer, so therefore, you know, but it's, I guess it's,
same with anything else.
If you do it, that's what you do, right.
Mario: Yeah.
Yeah.
Alan: Don't need someone's permission to be a designer.
Mario: you give yourself permission and just go for
it.
Yeah.
It's
just a step outside your comfort zone and that's how you grow.
So, Yeah.
You're right.
same as programming.
much of
what I know about coding.
I've learned it on my
own.
Reading and looking at other people's code and, and tinkering with things
trial and error, all the time.
So it's the same thing with design, I think.
And then sometimes I look at some designs from actual
designers and, they look amazing.
I'm like, I can never
do something like that, but you know, as long as we know,
enough to make something.
Alan: Right.
Mario: User-friendly
and
Alan: Yeah.
I mean, I have a folder on
my desktop that I generally screenshot or anything that stands out in any way to
me, like, oh, that that's, that's good.
I'd screenshot and throw it in there.
and, I.
There probably is, but I've never looked over.
She was a tool that I could organize the, I don't know, organize them,
but make them more accessible to me as opposed
to
just a folder that I throw everything to.
But one day I'll go back
and, organize it.
Right.
Like my music library.
Mario: Yeah.
Yeah.
Alan: But yeah, it's a, I think.
Like anything, when you start paying attention to it, then you automatically
start to get a little bit better.
Cause you start to question, why does that, look good?
you know, what's the one thing, actually, this is a slight
detail, but, it's a design tactic.
I've seen on a few websites now with, regarding to onboarding.
So I've been as I said, I did some new modals for like when you arrive at
DotPlan for the first time after signing up, up for accepting an invitation.
And when you own a different one, when you go to the new check-in
page for the first time, it just explains what the things are.
So I probably will change to using one of those little pop up things, but they're
expensive and I'll put that off for another day, at least for the moment.
So.
And looking at like onboarding modals and things.
I noticed something with sign-ups and, and also like the, the
onboarding or the signup process for some apps that I've seen.
That looks really good and kind of as given me ideas for how I want to
do it, which is, you know, there's a multi-step process, like, you
know, your name and then create an organization, which I have this idea,
you know, you create your account and then if it's not an invitation,
you have to create a workspace.
What's the workspace name or workspaces.
You know, you're grouping, whether it's your company name or whatever.
But I've seen three or four pages now that, on that, rather than give you just
a white page with a form that she put a blurred out, somebody else's like demo
page of the application behind the modal.
So even at the sign-up things, you know, creating an account.
They'll put like an example page of the application in
progress.
But then blow
it
out slightly and it looks really good as in like, you, you get
an idea for what you're signing up for, not just a white page.
You know you've read the landing
page and you go to sign up and it just gives you a blank page, but it
gives you like a, it feels like you're
already inside the application, even though you're
just a static signup page.
Mario: You're signing up.
Alan: So I'm kind
of attempted to try and do that at some point when I
have a spare afternoon to spare, I'm not busy not doing anything.
But
Mario: In your sleep.
Alan: yeah, exactly.
Mario: it in your sleep.
Alan: So I
think it might have a trailer that just because there is this multi-step
process, you know, for signing up
and I think it, it just looks, it feels
nice as, you know, as you're signing up, it's like, oh, I'm already in it.
Mario: Yeah.
Yeah.
Talking about design and onboarding.
One of
the one of the demos that I did I was showing the.
The screen that comes up when you log in for the
first time into a fusion cast, and I've created, if you
remember this little graphic that shows boxes, that show recordings,
go
Alan: This is in there.
Mario: and sessions go into podcasts.
And I kind of explained a little bit there that's
the extent of my onboarding at this point, you know, it's super simple.
And,
when I was explaining
that and showing that.
The
person I, I, was doing the demo for she's like, are you an engineer?
And I'm like, yes.
Alan: Maybe.
Mario: It's just like, Hmm.
Okay.
Because the way I'm presenting that, it's, it's just like, is this how things are
structured in the database?
Yeah,
Alan: Yeah, he's putting into a box.
Mario: Yeah, pretty much.
It's just like, Hmm.
Okay.
Alan: Yeah, it's a giveaway.
Isn't it?
Mario: Yeah.
Yeah.
And she's a UX designer.
So, I'm sure she's going to have a lot of
feedback about that because she was already pointing out
the fact that, I'm presenting this from an
engineer perspective.
And it's not necessarily
the most user-friendly thing for someone,
without a technical
background.
And so.
Alan: Yeah, You got to be careful.
I mean, it's so easy to
expose your light database design in your forms and things just because
that's the easiest way to do it.
Right.
And it's say, well, this is, this is one model and this is another, and
therefore the different forms, right?
When, you know, a lot of the time that the user doesn't care
about that differentiation, if I take confuses them, you know?
So,
Mario: Yeah.
Alan: I mean you have a reasonably clear.
Terminology you using in
terms of,
like shows and episodes And things.
so.
Yeah.
maybe there's some
other way of visualizing it.
That is, that
is more in line with, this is a show and this is an
episode, right?
So even within
like an example podcast player or something, you
might be able to show something like that.
So but yeah,
but box is probably a little bit engineering,
so.
Mario: Yeah.
Alan: Giving it away
Mario: Yeah.
And the, the whole mental model of, one thing goes inside another inside
another, there's got to be a better way, but then again, you know, I'm
not a UX designer, I'm not a designer, but yeah, I try I do my best.
Alan: So one thing I I had,
It had a couple of oh, are you okay for time?
By the way, I
Mario: Yeah, yeah.
This one's going to be a short one, I guess.
We'll.
We'll have to wrap it up in about five to 10
Alan: Okay.
I'll be
quick.
So I had that interesting mentoring session.
I had a couple of mentoring sessions at my coworking space over the past few weeks.
yeah, They, they asked me to Invited to say, we've got these Japanese
mentors coming in investors and you know, they have experience in
marketing and things.
Do you want this in Japanese?
So one of us can help you if you speak some Japanese as well as kind of handy.
So we kind of a combination of me plus one of the staff that I am
friends with was helping translate.
And so an interesting one this week she was got a lot of experience
in terms of online marketing for games like mobile games and things.
And so she was very helpful in looking at it from a Japanese company's
perspective or at least to Japanese.
SaaS users' perspective.
And she's like, okay, now I can't really you know, you, you know, better than
me marketing this to the world, but I can kind of give you some advice or
ideas selling it to, to Japanese staff.
And so there's two, I guess, main things, you know, one thing the onboarding
is probably even more important here than it is you know, elsewhere.
And I think I've mentioned this before that the non-Japanese users that have
had on like on the beta and things were happy to play with it and figure
it out on their own and almost want to figure out their own way of using it.
Whereas Japanese staff, and she's like, you know, this, this is how it is.
I'm telling you now.
you need to change this, which is basically state how to use it.
Not, not, you know, you could do this.
No, this is how the application is used.
You know, just be clear and direct.
This is what you do.
This is why you do it.
And this is when you do.
And plus just the onboarding you know, a modal is probably not enough.
You just need step-by-step you need like, you know, do this here, do
this there, and then click this.
Do that and to go with that, give basically guidelines she called them i.e.
Instructions so like eight for everything that you do have
a question mark next to it.
And it opens a help box, which is like, this is this, and this is how you do
it in a step by step for each thing.
She was like, you know, you might get a startup-y type users.
Forgive that, and you know, that might understand that and be okay with it.
But if you sell to any bigger company, you need that, but there's no option in the,
it's kind of, you need a guideline for everything that you do in the application.
You need instructions.
I say, We've, I kind of knew this was.
You know, we've been asked to do it before for other things I've done here.
But for just be like, no, this isn't optional.
You need this.
If you sell to anybody above, you know, a smaller company that is more
engineering kind of focused anyway.
And I said, okay, so it's we've started it already.
Cause we had some of them done for one of the customers we're working with here.
But I guess we just need more.
But one of the other things she mentioned that that made me there's this do it like
the onboarding that the landing page and just the sales side of things was, you
know, you know, one of my plans sooner rather than later, is to have integration
with Slack primarily, and then potentially Microsoft Teams, just because that's big.
Both in terms of reminders and also like, you know, digests for, you know,
at the end of the day, after other people have checked in kind of pop
up a digest, just something to keep.
Regular and keep making sure people are involved with it and they can have
visibility to what's going on and you might get a reminder to, you know,
to check in and things like that.
And she's like, that's good.
But even if you don't have it yet say you're going to do it
right at the top of your page.
Because the first thing, when I see anything.
Web, you know, an application about team communication or team even
if it's asynchronous or anything.
If I see the words, team and communication, I think,
well, we'll just use Slack.
It's just like, Oh, it's just teams.
We don't need another thing.
So by stating early on, as soon as possible on the page
that you will be introducing
integration with slack, our teams, it automatically raises the question of,
well, if it integrates with slack, It must be something different.
So without stating
that you're kind of leaving open, that it might just be another slack
kind of thing.
So she's at a froze.
You, even if you,
if it's not ready yet, just say coming soon and slack integration and then
link and explain what it will do,
even if you don't, you know, it's another three months away or so, so
Mario: Nice.
Yeah.
That's that sounds like pretty good advice.
Sounds good to me.
Alan: just because
it's, again, it's in, I've had a few people say, oh, but we
use Teams and it's like, Yeah.
but that doesn't matter.
This isn't,
this isn't a
chat app.
It's something different.
Well, yeah, but we have Teams.
Yeah,
Mario: Yeah,
Alan: so,
Mario: it.
Alan: yeah, but by kind of
being.
Clear that, Yeah.
That's good.
You use
Teams and you can use this with it for these reasons, and this
will help with these things
then hopefully that, that will clear that up.
So that's, that's something I'm going to.
I'm going to add to my landing page on my current redesigning kind of thing.
And one last thing that they
both her and the previous mentor mentioned was like your current persona
of who you're targeting is way too wide.
At least at this stage, just pick someone, pick an industry.
It doesn't matter, you know, you know, engineers pick engineers and.
Sell to them.
At least at first, just because you without that your, I know this, and I've
read this a million times a night, you know, a million, this isn't something
it's frustrating because I know this.
Right.
But at the same time, it's really hard to do.
Just because you, you think you're, but
anybody can use this, right.
So therefore I don't need to sell to a person,
but with.
Yeah.
They're like, well, who'd you want me to introduce
you to, and I'm like anybody.
Oh, that's not good enough.
Tell me which of my teams do you want me.
to introduce you to?
So by, you know,
having it, even if it's narrow to something
like, you know,
creatives, even if it's, you know, designers or engineers
or someone who's a creative in
some way, well, that's enough.
That's better than anybody.
So,
Mario: So narrow down, narrow down your target.
It's still teams, but a specific kind of team, right?
There's no specific maybe industry or
yeah.
Alan: yeah.
And then, you know, she said, well, obviously that, that makes it easier
then to target communities.
Right.
You know, you can go to a you,
know, Reddit community or, you know, one of the slack or discord channels
and be like, Hey, new tool for designers
or for developers that are doing things.
So,
You know, without that you're just like,
Here's a tool.
Mario: Yeah.
Alan: So, and again, even like saying just remote
teams isn't enough anymore.
Just cause that could be anybody you might, you know, that's not good enough
So.
Mario: That makes a lot of sense.
And given the fact that you I'm assuming have more developers in
your sphere or networks, right.
that makes a lot of sense to target developers, designers, creatives.
Alan: I mean, it's it's what I know.
Right.
So I it'd be really difficult for me to, and I've seen this with other startups
I've worked with as well.
If you start trying to sell to somebody who you don't
have any experience working with, well,
how are you building a product for them?
How are you going to talk to them in their language?
You can't, you know, it's unless you have a very close company
that you can work with and
learn from and build
a case study from them.
Well, okay.
That's fair enough.
But if you're just like, Sell to those people
over there,
then it's good.
And it's frustrating, cause I know this and I
should've
done this before, but
it's
You know,
Mario: yeah.
That's the way it goes.
No, that sounds great.
I, I think that's really good advice.
That's awesome.
So you're going to be working on that and making some of those changes.
Alan: Well, yeah, the, I mean, the, the first initial of the things I'm
doing right now are I'm in paddle integration just because I, I don't
want to leave that any longer.
If I sign anybody
up, you know, in two weeks time, I want the option for them to.
pay,
basically, it's,
I've just got to get over that hurdle in terms of it being just, oh, it's
an ongoing, ever beta right now.
I, I w I want something where it's like, okay, it's
it's version zero.one four, whatever that is, that's that,
and you know, there's price.
And if it's discounted, then that's good, but you know, it's an early version.
So something that says, okay, now
it's, we're launched.
I'm desperate to do that.
And then.
Once that's
working then.
Yeah.
I'm going to
redo landing page
and see what the,
I mean, as we've said
before, the, to do list of features is it's never going to disappear,
Mario: Yeah, it's never ending for sure.
Alan: And there's nothing, there's no nothing broken in the application and
it's useful as it is.
So therefore, you know, call it early access and let people in.
Mario: go for it.
Go for it.
For sure.
Yeah.
so
Alan: it's launched, then you can just grow it, right?
Mario: yeah, yeah,
So before we wrap up, we wrap it up.
Just wanted to share,
One quick thing about fusion cast.
Alan: Yeah.
You haven't
Mario: I have
been able to spend that much time working
on it.
But one thing that I, I did try,
Was a
new approach to recording.
To try to eliminate that issue
that, happens every now
and then if, people close the browser in the middle of
recording and I hit a dead end.
So after that, I reevaluated and decided to put that on hold, because it's gonna
take a lot longer to figure that out.
It's going to take a long time.
I want to.
Focus on other areas instead where I can make improvements that are needed
based on the feedback that I received.
And I know I can make those happen a lot quicker and, show
some progress and show that the product is improving and evolving.
Even if I have this.
One little thing lingering that I'm not comfortable with.
It doesn't seem to be happening a lot.
And if I educate users about the proper way of using the product and the proper
way of ending a session, it will decrease the number of instances that happens.
And also if that happens, I was thinking that I would, it would
be better since I, wouldn't be working on, fixing that problem.
I would, instead.
As part of the other improvements, I would give users access to the backup recordings
in case they need them.
Right.
So if this thing
happens, they have access to the, backup
recordings, themselves.
And that kind of moves the needle a little bit and keeps the product evolving.
and at some point I'll get around to working on
this issue
Alan: I think that's fair.
Yeah.
I think you, you could
tie
yourself up in knots for the next few months trying to, you
know, rework how this works and
You know, it, as you said, for 99% of times, it's not an issue.
And, for that 1%
while you've got a backup rate.
So,
You know, especially if you, as you say, improve the communication
about how you're supposed to
do it, then is there any way.
Forcing a session to
effectively finalize like in the UI, if it's left hanging maybe
Mario: Yeah, that's what recovery mode is
supposed to do, but.
Alan: if it doesn't, is there some way of effectively
like deleting that and
saying, okay, this failed completely.
So it's not just left as a, a spinning, like, like dead session in the
Mario: Yeah, no, there's no way to do that right now.
And I need
to add that
Alan: right But that's what I say.
like sorting
things like that out, Mike just, well, you know, they get,
get rid of the niggly things.
Mario: yeah.
yeah, so that's what I decided to do.
So I'm going to be focusing on these little
things
Alan: a good
Mario: and move
the product forward and,
Hopefully I
can, get to the point where I integrate billing and, start
charging, you
know,
Alan: I mean, you're, you're right
there too,
you know,
it's
it's, it's an incredibly useful and usable and
polished product, so
get it launched and then improve.
So same things What I'm trying to convince
myself to do.
Mario: Yeah.
Thank you.
Well, yeah, you're, you're almost there too, so Yeah,
Alan: It feels like that's just the beginning.
Right.
Mario: Yeah,
Alan: We finally got to the start line.
There we go.
Mario: yeah.
Yeah.
All right, cool.
So should we
wrap it up here?
Alan: It sounds like you've got stuff.
So, yes.
Mario: Yeah.
All right.
So I'll see you in.
Yeah.
Always, always a pleasure.
I'll see you in a couple of weeks.
Alan: Yep.
Good luck.
get your billing set up.
That's my plan too.
So.
Mario: Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Thanks.
Alan: on.
Take a good to good luck with the job on Monday as well.
Hopefully all
goes well,
Mario: Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Take care.
Alan: Cheers man