1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,160 Unknown: And I'm tempted sometimes to learn the new 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,280 cheese diddles and stuff, but I also realize, do I really need 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,220 this? I don't think so, but I think it's really cool that 4 00:00:08,220 --> 00:00:08,820 what's a cheese 5 00:00:08,820 --> 00:00:10,920 diddle? First and foremost, it's, well, they 6 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,320 sell them in the chip aisle, yeah, are 7 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,440 they? Are they a new item at buckies Cheese dittles 8 00:00:16,439 --> 00:00:20,099 are like, like, a flam with a drag and then another. You know? 9 00:00:20,519 --> 00:00:20,779 It's 10 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,980 like, imagine a paradiddle. Okay, right, left, right, right. 11 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:29,900 So put a flam on the first right. And as well as a diddle, 12 00:00:29,900 --> 00:00:35,060 dig it, that, dig at it, that, dig it, do that. He loves me. 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,620 And then once you get used to that, now start it the other the 14 00:00:39,620 --> 00:00:43,240 other hand. Because even though you're alternating right to 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,620 left, so on and so a lot 16 00:00:44,620 --> 00:00:47,680 of people think you're just a leather jacket wearing long 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:52,120 haired rock drummer that rules, but no, but you're, you're 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,160 actually the guy that was like, Okay, now I'm gonna do this 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,680 exercise with my feet. I 20 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,080 would get, I would get, part of the reason that I can do a lot 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,580 of the stuff I can do is, like, I get bored middle school, I was 22 00:01:05,580 --> 00:01:07,380 playing drums seven hours a day. Yeah, 23 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,280 this is the rich Redmond show. 24 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,180 Hey, man, you know, it's the drumming and doing what you'd 25 00:01:18,180 --> 00:01:20,160 love for your life is your youth pill. 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,600 We did. We have a guy here who works for us. You met him 27 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,900 before. His name is DC, and he's a professional bearder, 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,580 competitive bearding. It's a thing. And I mean, his beard is 29 00:01:31,580 --> 00:01:34,100 amazingly beautiful, but the work, 30 00:01:35,420 --> 00:01:38,780 the work that goes into that beard, 31 00:01:38,780 --> 00:01:42,100 beard grooming, the oil, I 32 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:45,580 do that with my beard. Do you do that? Like the oils? Yeah, 33 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,360 my wife makes some concoctions and stuff, and I'll put them in 34 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,880 there. By the way, those are amazing 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,740 truffles. It's a box of truffles, right? The 36 00:01:56,380 --> 00:01:59,500 main thing is, I wanted to get them out of my house, yeah? 37 00:01:59,860 --> 00:02:04,080 I'm like, don't do that. My mother brought over. I don't 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,820 know why she had them, but she had those Ferrero shades. Yeah, 39 00:02:09,060 --> 00:02:09,540 those things are, 40 00:02:09,539 --> 00:02:11,879 like, those are incredible, because I got a little crunch in 41 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:15,299 them. She don't have the crunch, but they're richer. Like, the 42 00:02:15,299 --> 00:02:19,619 milk is like, these cows are like, princes, kings, or 43 00:02:19,619 --> 00:02:20,479 whatever she 44 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,920 brought over the multi pack original dark chocolate and 45 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:26,120 coconut Yeah. 46 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,420 Oh, coconuts, my jam, like coconut milk, coconut shavings, 47 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,680 coconut shrimp, anything, coconut carrot cake. I'm with 48 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,380 coconut flake on top, and it's got to have the cream cheese 49 00:02:36,380 --> 00:02:39,260 frosting, not the confession, not sugar, nope. If you're gonna 50 00:02:39,260 --> 00:02:39,740 go 51 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:40,040 do 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,480 Oh, do do it. Go, big, just do it. Yeah, do it. You're gonna do 53 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,580 it. Do it, right? I tell you what, Jim, 54 00:02:45,940 --> 00:02:46,900 what did you think of the 55 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:50,440 truffles? Do you like the truffles were good? I had I had 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,980 one, and only one. That's good, because I'll eat that whole box. 57 00:02:53,980 --> 00:02:54,160 You're 58 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,440 doing your thing. You know where it came from? It came from my 59 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,040 friend Stan Z Stan's lot, Koski. I want to give him some some 60 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,980 praise on the show, because he's kind of like a, oh God. He is a 61 00:03:04,980 --> 00:03:08,760 supporter of the arts, an Erie PA, Cleveland, you know, I did, 62 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,220 just did the weekend with him. He had me in for my kind of, 63 00:03:11,340 --> 00:03:13,680 whatever you call it, Master Class clinic, one man show, 64 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,860 motivational event, and he hosted, and he had it catered, 65 00:03:16,860 --> 00:03:20,100 and he was showing me all around town, and it was just a great 66 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,240 time. And he said, Here, take these truffles. And I just 67 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,460 wanted to get them out of my house, because sounds like it's 68 00:03:25,460 --> 00:03:28,100 your kind of party, you know, you Oh, boy, you gotta. This is 69 00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:31,580 what I tell everyone. You gotta, if you don't have to get ready, 70 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:35,780 if you stay ready. And our tour is one month away. So, you know, 71 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:38,540 I've been hitting the gym and drinking tons of water, doing my 72 00:03:38,540 --> 00:03:41,980 vitamins, doing my stretching, lifting the weights. Got the 73 00:03:41,980 --> 00:03:44,680 paradiddles going, so I'm ready to go, but you need to play on a 74 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,880 kit, though, right? Yeah, you know, all my friends at Remo 75 00:03:48,940 --> 00:03:54,040 love you. Chris Hart, I've been with Remo since 1995 dinosaurs 76 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,360 roamed the earth, but I just ordered a set of those silent 77 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,320 stroke heads so I can practice, you know, because I just moved 78 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,200 into a new crib, and I haven't built a studio yet, and I want 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,360 to be sensitive to the neighbors. I just don't want 80 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,220 them to be eating me right out of the gate. 81 00:04:08,220 --> 00:04:12,240 Is dw, they've got the electronic kit out now, yes, and 82 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,060 they offer to send me one, and I got to take them up on it. There 83 00:04:15,060 --> 00:04:18,180 you go. Yeah, do it. There's your answer. There's all sorts 84 00:04:18,180 --> 00:04:21,380 of answers. Bluetooth thing. So who's that? Who's that that's 85 00:04:21,380 --> 00:04:25,460 talking to me across the way from the Rosenberg 90th 86 00:04:25,460 --> 00:04:30,140 anniversary drum. Case, you know, while we're here, let's 87 00:04:30,140 --> 00:04:33,320 give props to our friend. Mike Berg, it's an American company, 88 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,560 90 years in business. Congratulations, Mike, 89 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,260 absolutely. And you're also an artist, right? Chris, I am all 90 00:04:39,260 --> 00:04:41,800 right. So here's the deal on Chris. Christopher Williams, 91 00:04:41,860 --> 00:04:45,580 hailing from Greenville, South Carolina, calling Nashville home 92 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,020 since 2008 he's not even 40 years old. He's a rock star. 93 00:04:50,020 --> 00:04:52,420 Look at all the people that he's played with. Gene Simmons, Ace 94 00:04:52,420 --> 00:04:56,200 freely, except Andrew W K Rex, brown, Derek, saying homes we 95 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,720 share. That did a little bit with Derek. Derek, Mick, Mars, 96 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,100 Blackfoot, Lee green. Kid Rock. Peter Stroud, what a player her 97 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:05,220 1000 horses. The list goes on and on. He's played with members 98 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:08,460 of P funk, lit love, those guys, the stones. We have to hear that 99 00:05:08,460 --> 00:05:11,280 story. Kiss, slaughter Cinderella. He works a lot 100 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:13,920 around town and on the road with Phil s house and Jeremy as 101 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,000 Brock. Sort of like the as Brock, don't say that too fast, 102 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,500 the kind of like, sort of like the three kings of like classic 103 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:24,320 rock. You guys disagree. Yeah, doing the thing, man. And we're 104 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,080 gonna talk about his education and his background and what he's 105 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,320 doing. But really, the latest thing is, since 2015 celebrating 106 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,740 10 years, he has been the drummer with the legendary metal 107 00:05:33,740 --> 00:05:38,840 band, except you got your balls to the wall kick. We're talking 108 00:05:39,020 --> 00:05:41,500 about our friend Christopher Williams, What's up, buddy, 109 00:05:41,860 --> 00:05:44,800 Brother, how are you rich? I appreciate you making the trip 110 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:45,820 out here. Absolutely. 111 00:05:45,820 --> 00:05:48,160 Where's you coming down from? Where do you live in Hermitage? 112 00:05:48,220 --> 00:05:51,280 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a bit of a drive. That's all 113 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:51,640 right, but 114 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,800 you're right by the airport, which is great. That's the 115 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,860 best part. Yeah, and there's several means to get to the 116 00:05:56,860 --> 00:05:58,840 airport from Hermitage. Yes, 117 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:01,180 it's very, very convenient, speaking of the three kings, 118 00:06:01,180 --> 00:06:03,480 when we are all kind of living in those houses, living in those 119 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,820 houses, and Donaldson and Hermitage, you know, we all 120 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:08,100 lived in these band houses, and then we had to get to the 121 00:06:08,100 --> 00:06:10,440 airport. It was, like, amazing. And of course, this was pre 122 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,160 Uber, pre lift. So we would call those cowboy cabs the the 123 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,100 minivan, yeah. And we'd be like, we've got a lot of gear, and we 124 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:22,100 have a flight to catch. Don't be late. They were always every 125 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:26,900 like, so it was, there was like a 20 years ago, it was difficult 126 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:30,440 to get reliable transportation. Now everything is in our pocket. 127 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:33,620 Uber Lyft. You can order it the night before. I always get 128 00:06:33,620 --> 00:06:37,160 worried, like, I got still late, dude, 3:45am sometimes my pickup 129 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,300 is like, 3:45am and I'm like, Who is going to do this? And you 130 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:40,780 can't blame 131 00:06:40,780 --> 00:06:42,640 them around here, though, because Nashville became 132 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,560 Nashville and it's overcrowded. 133 00:06:44,620 --> 00:06:47,560 Yeah, as soon as those three through three cabs showed up, 134 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,320 that's when the game changed, really. That's when it was when 135 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,520 you you started seeing them pack the the parking spaces on broad 136 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,520 and all that, and the cops would pull in and have to shove them 137 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,860 out. That's around that time is when Uber and all that started 138 00:07:01,860 --> 00:07:05,520 in the city, yeah, and then it was completely different. You 139 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,840 could get what's now a $20 ride. You could get it for three, four 140 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:15,120 bucks. Oh, wow. You could go from I lived in Inglewood for a 141 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,720 period, and to go from there to five points. It's like three 142 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,060 bucks. Wow, really? Yeah, I used to go to Red Door East all the 143 00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:24,800 time because of that. So 144 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,560 what is this? A different thing that I don't know about, a 145 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,660 different type of cab. Is what you're saying. No, no, 146 00:07:29,660 --> 00:07:32,600 I say. And that's what Uber used to be, yeah, back when the first 147 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,780 came in, because all those cabs were taken over and they were so 148 00:07:35,780 --> 00:07:36,860 much money, yeah, 149 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,220 they were trying to get market share by offering it cheaply. 150 00:07:40,220 --> 00:07:40,420 But 151 00:07:40,420 --> 00:07:43,840 now they're just like, we all. You all love us. You need us. 152 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,940 We're integrated over your life. Rape, 153 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,660 you're gonna, yeah, what part of your delta sky miles account? 154 00:07:49,660 --> 00:07:49,960 Because 155 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,440 as soon as I land in Nashville, I hurried to the baggage claim, 156 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,660 and as soon as I physically have that bag in my hand, I'm 157 00:07:55,660 --> 00:07:58,300 already, like, pre ordering, because then it's surges, yeah. 158 00:08:00,340 --> 00:08:01,920 Yeah. So 159 00:08:02,340 --> 00:08:05,640 you're doing that from that from the airport to Spring Hill now, 160 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,180 yeah, that's a that's a lofty price, 70 bucks. Oh, my God 161 00:08:09,180 --> 00:08:09,480 bless 162 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,500 you. I know 70 bucks. Do you get to expense that tax return? 163 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:16,080 Yeah? Well, yeah, totally 164 00:08:16,260 --> 00:08:17,640 keep a track on it. But a lot of 165 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,160 times I'll drive, and then I'll park at one of the parking flies 166 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,460 or whatever. And then, while you're there, you can get your 167 00:08:22,460 --> 00:08:25,400 car washed, and then you come back to a nice, clean, tidy car, 168 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,200 because who wants to wash their car? 169 00:08:27,380 --> 00:08:32,000 So basically, you're looking at $140 to and fro, right? Yeah, I 170 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,580 wonder how much would be cut to just park 171 00:08:34,700 --> 00:08:37,580 that's why I asked for so much money when I play drums. Well, 172 00:08:37,580 --> 00:08:37,760 it 173 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,020 used to be nice. 174 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,320 It used to be, it was like 27 bucks a day or something for, 175 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,240 like, the VIP parking. Yeah, 176 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,060 I actually, I do the off, like the park and fly, park and fly, 177 00:08:49,060 --> 00:08:52,660 but I use trade bank. What's trade bank? Funny, you should 178 00:08:52,660 --> 00:08:55,420 ask rich trade bank nashville.com, go check them out 179 00:08:55,420 --> 00:08:58,420 there. I'm just gonna give them a little bit of a plug. If you 180 00:08:58,420 --> 00:09:01,080 have a business and you've got extra things lingering on the 181 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,780 shelves. And, you know, you can't really move them. You can 182 00:09:03,780 --> 00:09:06,660 trade them with other businesses. So that's what I do. 183 00:09:06,660 --> 00:09:10,500 I trade my voiceover services such as on hold and automated 184 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:13,920 attendant messaging, yeah, with other businesses who need it, 185 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,560 and I get trade dollars. And I could trade those trade dollars 186 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:19,380 in for vacations, for parking, whatever. It's 187 00:09:19,380 --> 00:09:22,640 a great idea, isn't he a promo sexual it's incredible. Love it. 188 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:25,460 No idea what you're talking Kevin Murphy gave me that 189 00:09:25,460 --> 00:09:26,780 nickname, and then I almost said 190 00:09:26,780 --> 00:09:30,440 to Jim, and you had to give him a nickname in return, the 191 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,400 delightful curmudgeon, 192 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:36,320 yes, yeah, that's good. I mean, he would have a killer podcast, 193 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:40,040 amazing podcast, because he's not afraid to say anything. No, 194 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,360 I love Kevin. Kevin. Kevin and I get along great. 195 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,380 He's very entertaining because of that. Yes, yes. He just 196 00:09:47,380 --> 00:09:49,960 doesn't care. Kevin myself and Russ Whitman. 197 00:09:50,260 --> 00:09:54,280 Russ Whitman, yeah, man, he's in that click. It's the only time 198 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:59,920 I'll ever see him if I see Ben Caesar, Keo, Kevin and Russ. 199 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,200 Yes, crazy, yeah, 200 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,020 Russ and Kevin and I sent some stuff to each other that will 201 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:04,920 not be repeated 202 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:09,600 now, hopefully no one catches your browser history or your 203 00:10:10,140 --> 00:10:10,440 text 204 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,700 messaging incognito. 205 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:15,180 Thank you, Google. So you know how you came 206 00:10:15,180 --> 00:10:18,600 on my radar. I really thought it was early on, like I moved here 207 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,620 in 97 so I really thought, like in 2000 or something. Our our 208 00:10:21,620 --> 00:10:24,140 mutual friend Paul, aren't the bass player the place for Lee 209 00:10:24,140 --> 00:10:27,740 Greenwood was telling me, you know, he always had some sort of 210 00:10:27,740 --> 00:10:30,680 side metal project, and he's like, man, there's this new kid. 211 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:33,440 I've been playing with him. He's fantastic. He's like, so young. 212 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,020 He's like, 19 or 20 or something. I'm like, oh, yeah, 213 00:10:36,020 --> 00:10:38,540 cool, cool. And then must have but it was 2008 214 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:46,360 2008 Yeah, late, 2008 when I met him. And what's funny is, I 215 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:51,400 remember meeting you prior that, yeah, Danny Archer put us in 216 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,920 touch. And I think we went to frothy monkey or something like 217 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,160 that, yeah, just briefly, and you're like, Oh, well, there's 218 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,760 forks. Go there. Meet people. Go to, you know, third and lensley. 219 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,360 Go to these places around town. That's where you're gonna start, 220 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,420 the network, the watering holes. Yeah, it's where you're just 221 00:11:06,420 --> 00:11:09,660 gonna meet your community and get your foot in the door. 222 00:11:09,660 --> 00:11:14,040 And you did. Man, yeah, what was the first non Paul ARNs 223 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:20,180 opportunity if you're listening to this podcast, it means you're 224 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:23,420 already looking to improve your drumming, why not level it up in 225 00:11:23,420 --> 00:11:27,500 person with me, when you book a one on one day drum tense 226 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:29,960 drummers from around the world have traveled to Nashville to 227 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,960 study with me. 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Find out more about my one on one day, drum 236 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:08,100 tensive go to drumtensive.com D, R, U, m, t, e, n, s, i, v, 237 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:08,760 e.com. 238 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:11,100 Drumtensive.com 239 00:12:14,340 --> 00:12:16,980 What was your first you know, were you playing around town? Or 240 00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:18,660 did you get a road gig right away? Or, 241 00:12:18,660 --> 00:12:22,340 yeah, well, I moved to town. I was already planning to move, 242 00:12:23,900 --> 00:12:27,680 but a couple weeks ahead of winter Nam, I was looking around 243 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:31,520 Nashville Craigslist for jobs still living in South Carolina, 244 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,020 yeah, and I saw an ad for percussion specialist wanted, 245 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,800 and I clicked it and said, Oh, what's sure, you know, and you 246 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,940 know, sent in a resume and all that. Here's what I do. At one 247 00:12:42,940 --> 00:12:46,900 point in Greenville, I worked for pin tech who manufactures 248 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:50,200 electronic drums and cymbals and triggers and pads. Yes, 249 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,020 I remember those, those trigger pads. Ray Gray was using them 250 00:12:53,020 --> 00:12:53,140 for 251 00:12:53,140 --> 00:12:55,720 a little bit. Were they similar to heart dynamics back in the 252 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,040 day? Very were they Okay? 253 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,840 Dows pads and all that. Yeah, yeah. Dan, Dows, what's up? 254 00:13:01,020 --> 00:13:01,740 Yeah, 255 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,520 shout out. So I was manufacturing, and whether it 256 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,460 was drilling aluminum castings or soldering or doing any of 257 00:13:08,460 --> 00:13:12,120 that stuff. And so I sent that in, you know, I have a 258 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,180 background in this, background in that. And then it came back. 259 00:13:15,180 --> 00:13:19,980 It was Juan over at minel, Juan Barrios. And he goes, Oh, and I 260 00:13:19,980 --> 00:13:23,420 go, Oh, actually, I'm going to be at winter Nam in a couple 261 00:13:23,420 --> 00:13:27,140 weeks, if you just want to meet up and talk. Yeah. So I did an 262 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,580 unofficial, official interview for vinyl as a sales rep during 263 00:13:31,580 --> 00:13:37,280 winter Nam. And then it becomes, okay, well, you got the gig. Can 264 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:44,080 you start March 3? Okay, well, that's four weeks I have to find 265 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:49,360 somewhere to live. And I reached out and met a couple people 266 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,440 online. One of those was the definite, I'm moving in. Then 267 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,940 that fell through a week before, like, Okay, who else do I know? 268 00:13:59,020 --> 00:14:03,600 Somebody called somebody that had a room for a month. I was 269 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,320 like, Okay, that'll just get me there. I'll start the job the 270 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,220 first what led to the first opportunity was a co worker of 271 00:14:11,220 --> 00:14:16,260 mine was actually playing at Legends, and I went down to see 272 00:14:16,260 --> 00:14:20,780 him one night. They had a substitute drummer who 273 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,940 introduced me to the power trio he'd been playing with. He had, 274 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:29,420 he was expecting a baby, he and his wife, so he was unable to do 275 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:34,640 the Summer Tour. Three of us got on stage, sat in jammed, and 276 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,460 then we talked afterwards, and then it's like, yeah, cool. 277 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,740 Well, let's do it. Yeah, you know, well, we'll meet at Si, 278 00:14:41,740 --> 00:14:44,440 our room five, and we'll jam some of the material, just to 279 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,620 make sure. But yeah, if you're Kane, let's go. And that was 280 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:48,640 Richie Shoal. 281 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,460 Oh yeah. Richie Shoal, like an American artist, yep. 282 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,660 Yeah. Awesome dude. Ozzy Queensland, yes, you know, does 283 00:14:55,660 --> 00:14:58,720 he so? Does he live here? Yeah, okay, and he and I are still in 284 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,800 touch. Good man. That was, but that was the, the first 285 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:02,700 Nashville like 286 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:05,400 gig. Give him my pass, because I think I've known a lot of 287 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,740 drummers who've come through his band. Yeah, it's like a rite of 288 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:12,600 passage. Yeah, you know, it is cool, man. And your background 289 00:15:12,660 --> 00:15:15,720 in in Greenville, when did, like, when did you start 290 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,540 playing? Because it says, Here you remember the Carolina gold 291 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,000 gold, Carolina gold drum and Bucha amazing on snare drum, 292 00:15:23,180 --> 00:15:26,480 yep. And then you did some you won a gold medal during the 293 00:15:26,540 --> 00:15:30,740 annual individual and ensemble competition. Yep, for drum set. 294 00:15:31,220 --> 00:15:34,280 Nice. Yeah. So when did it all start? Were you coming? Coming 295 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,800 out of the womb? Did you have a musical family? It was 296 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:41,140 in the womb. My mother tells stories of, you know, she and 297 00:15:41,140 --> 00:15:44,020 dad would be spinning records, and, you know, they'd push the 298 00:15:44,020 --> 00:15:47,380 furniture to the wall and dance in the living room or whatever, 299 00:15:47,380 --> 00:15:51,340 and I'd be kicking and when the song stopped, I would stop. Wow, 300 00:15:51,340 --> 00:15:55,060 something going to concerts, and so, I mean, and then, of course, 301 00:15:55,060 --> 00:15:55,240 what 302 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,580 were they listening to, like Kenny Rogers Greatest Hits, that 303 00:15:57,580 --> 00:15:59,140 kind of thing, or staying alive, bit 304 00:15:59,140 --> 00:16:01,980 of that. But it was a bit of everything, the real one, what, 305 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,580 what mom calls what always gave her happy feet, long before the 306 00:16:05,580 --> 00:16:10,680 Disney thing was Stevie Ray, oh yeah. I attribute being able to 307 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,500 swing and shuffle to Chris Layton all day, every day. 308 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:16,620 Stevie's. Stevie's, one of my dudes. What 309 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:20,340 a great artist, just regardless of the genre. And they have 310 00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:23,900 Chris Whipper, Layton shuffle, have you been did you meet him? 311 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:24,620 Have you ever met him? 312 00:16:24,620 --> 00:16:28,520 Once I met him at the fender booth. He was playing with Kenny 313 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,640 Wayne Shepherd, nice during an am show, yeah. And just got to 314 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,280 shake his hand and say, Thanks, man. Because of you and Stevie 315 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,640 and Tommy, I know how to boogie, yeah, so I appreciate it, yeah. 316 00:16:38,060 --> 00:16:41,800 And that's what I was playing and listening to even before I 317 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,360 got my first drum set, you know, while watching Motley Crue. I've 318 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,900 got a brother that's five years older than me, so there was that 319 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,500 musical influence from him. There was mom and dad's record 320 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:59,260 collection. Dad passed away when I was really young, and so mom 321 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,640 couldn't listen to that music anymore hurt her too much. So 322 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,560 then she got into the country of the late 80s. So Alabama, 323 00:17:07,620 --> 00:17:12,660 Alabama, Tanya, Tucker, Clint, black. My first concert was 324 00:17:12,660 --> 00:17:14,820 actually the Kentucky head hunters, the picking on 325 00:17:14,820 --> 00:17:18,120 Nashville too. Yeah, because I was born and raised in 326 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:24,140 Greensboro, North Carolina until I was 11. I think just before my 327 00:17:24,140 --> 00:17:27,680 12th birthday is when we moved to Greenville, so, and those 328 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,200 were my formative years in Greenville. So that's why I 329 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,740 always just kind of say that's home, yeah, even though all the 330 00:17:33,740 --> 00:17:37,820 families in Greensboro, yeah. So it's two homes. I 331 00:17:37,820 --> 00:17:41,740 always get those, you know. I get Charlotte and Charleston, 332 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:44,140 you know? And I get Greenville and Greensboro. Well, there's 333 00:17:44,140 --> 00:17:47,740 also a Greenville North too. Yeah, that's really confusing. 334 00:17:47,740 --> 00:17:48,160 Greenville 335 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,220 north in North Carolina. Yeah, it's by the coast. 336 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,120 No, it's, I think it's near Winston Salem, is it? I think 337 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:58,840 it's on that on the western side. I could be wrong. It's 338 00:17:59,860 --> 00:18:02,640 getting back to you mentioned shuffles before rich, did you 339 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:08,340 know that Christopher can put a feather in his cap? By he is my 340 00:18:08,340 --> 00:18:14,220 biggest influence on shuffles. We discussed, you know, I've 341 00:18:14,220 --> 00:18:17,700 been, I've been deep diving shuffles because of the Huey 342 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:22,640 Lewis gig may 28 the city winery in Nashville. Don't miss it. 343 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,380 Don't miss it. Get your tickets now, 344 00:18:24,740 --> 00:18:27,500 while it lasts, hey, if you don't promote yourself, nobody 345 00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:28,040 else will. No 346 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,860 one cares as much about you. I'm horrible 347 00:18:30,860 --> 00:18:34,280 about right? So he came in horrible. You know, we practiced 348 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,980 a little bit, and it's kind of like I appreciate these podcast 349 00:18:36,980 --> 00:18:40,120 episodes, because we keep on talking about my journey up to 350 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:43,240 this monumental event, which happens to you guys all the 351 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,980 time, and learning, you know, because not it's not a very 352 00:18:47,980 --> 00:18:51,400 typical like, not many drummers going, Oh, I'm going to pick up 353 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,580 the sticks and learn to shuffle. You know, it's the boom smack 354 00:18:54,580 --> 00:18:58,060 that they want to get into, typically, right? Yeah. And I 355 00:18:58,060 --> 00:19:00,100 was told, Well, hey, you get you're almost there, but you 356 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:02,620 need to make it bounce. We want you to kind of fall a little bit 357 00:19:02,620 --> 00:19:05,820 behind. Bit behind the beat. And I told you this, and you kind of 358 00:19:05,820 --> 00:19:10,080 scoffed a little bit, if you did, you scoff. I heard a scoff 359 00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:13,200 when, when we were talking about, like, playing behind the 360 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,360 beat, or ahead the beat, or something like, I just try to 361 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,940 play in time, right? You know? And then, and I So Christopher 362 00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:20,100 walks, and I said, you know, I'm trying to figure out what they 363 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:22,760 mean. He's like, Oh, it's just like, this play like a flam, and 364 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:23,960 I'm going, Oh, 365 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,360 but this, Christopher, did you guys? You guys already spent 366 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:27,140 time together today. 367 00:19:27,140 --> 00:19:30,320 We did, like, deep dive, man, I don't know where you were. Oh, 368 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:30,620 my God, 369 00:19:30,620 --> 00:19:33,140 I was, well, I was probably peeing because, you know, the 370 00:19:33,140 --> 00:19:34,160 bladder over 50, 371 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:38,720 it happens, dude. So, so kudos to you. Thank you. Thank you. 372 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:39,860 Christopher, absolutely. 373 00:19:39,860 --> 00:19:42,640 Yeah. Plus, he's got a, probably a really mean double bay 374 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:43,060 shuffle. 375 00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:47,800 Teacher, the Simon 376 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:53,020 Phillips, Jeff Beck, thank you. Jeff Beck, yeah, and Virgil was 377 00:19:53,140 --> 00:19:57,520 huge for me. Billy Cobham, spectrum, oh yeah, I, I don't 378 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,560 even know if I had my first drums. That when my uncle gave 379 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,280 me that album, Uncle Peter turned me on a Cobham and just 380 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:05,460 said, 381 00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:09,780 what so many drums that three floor toms, two bass drums. He 382 00:20:09,780 --> 00:20:12,180 put so many hurdles. He put the LP 383 00:20:12,540 --> 00:20:16,500 on one side of a cassette. So there was Billy Cobham spectrum, 384 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:19,500 and the other side was Herbie Hancock, head hunters. Oh, wow. 385 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,760 And I don't know if I even had my first drum set that was 386 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,200 Harvey Mason, yeah, but I remember at one point just 387 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,280 sitting to the kit and just jamming those records, because I 388 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,980 knew them from listening to them for a few years already. 389 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,680 Now, when you do your double bass shuffle, do you do left 390 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:42,460 foot lead depends, depends either one it really, yeah. 391 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,580 If I'm, if I'm doing the Van Halen stuff, it's always left 392 00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:49,300 foot lead, yeah? Because if you listen to Al, it's that gallop, 393 00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:52,240 yeah. And that left foot, his left kick drum was always 394 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,140 important 395 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,880 on the right. That's what I got from Greg bisni. Because Greg 396 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,440 business, like, here's the secret, you know, you're always 397 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,260 using syncopated rhythms on the upbeat, or whatever, on your 398 00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:06,900 right hand, on your right foot, and then you're always keeping 399 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:08,940 time with your high hat on. That's always doing the 400 00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:11,280 downbeat. So now all you got to do is put your foot over on the 401 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,280 double pedal, and literally you are doing this, doing the same 402 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,600 thing. Yeah? So 403 00:21:15,660 --> 00:21:20,040 I learned the hot for teacher shuffle, just the opposite a 404 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,600 buddy of mine. You remember Jeff vidy, yeah, yeah, up in 405 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,420 Connecticut, right? So he was a drummer and guitar player, a 406 00:21:26,420 --> 00:21:29,960 big, huge influence from Eddie Van Eddie Van Helen, and they 407 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,840 had a double bass electronic kit back when I was starting to 408 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,360 play. And I thought I was like, maybe salivate to play double 409 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,160 bass, yeah. And he's like, you know how to play hot for 410 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,300 teacher. I'm like, hell now. He says, Think about if you if you 411 00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:45,100 only have a single kick, just do the gun to gun them. Yeah, I'm 412 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:47,560 like, Oh, I can do that. He's just didn't add any other foot. 413 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,180 That's nice. He's already a good teacher. 414 00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:54,040 Oh, okay, that new accept record that you guys did in 2014 you 415 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:59,440 tracked the drums your house sounds amazing. It's got the, 416 00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:05,400 you know, the road so clean dudes, just driving it, killing 417 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,360 it, driving it. And then when you go to do the fills, and 418 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:12,540 that's, that's the challenging part, keeping that so clean 419 00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:16,380 while you're doing hand stuff. But you've been doing it a long 420 00:22:16,380 --> 00:22:17,220 time. I mean, 421 00:22:17,220 --> 00:22:21,620 it was, it's just practice. It's yeah, everybody wants the the 422 00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:25,640 quick and easy, yeah? And what's the hack? It's not, yeah, you 423 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,180 know how to get 424 00:22:26,180 --> 00:22:28,520 to Carnegie Hall practice, yeah? 425 00:22:30,380 --> 00:22:34,880 But you buy a ticket. But, I mean, it's, you know, it's the 426 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,560 thing of you practice, you practice, you practice, and then 427 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,580 at some point the light bulb just goes off. Yeah, for me 428 00:22:42,580 --> 00:22:46,600 anyway, and I've been fortunate in that sense, where when the 429 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,740 idea clicks, then it's there, whether it's doing the virtual 430 00:22:50,740 --> 00:22:57,400 stuff, or just, you know, like crazy, whatever you can think 431 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,440 of, or the split lick, you know, right hand, right foot, left 432 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:07,080 hand, left foot. But that thing that took forever goes but I 433 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,320 never practiced it, yeah, and then one day, I sat down with 434 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,640 the double pedal in the pad for about an hour, walked away, came 435 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:20,360 back and figured rhythmically and feeling, not just thinking 436 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:24,860 about it, but felt the relationship and those gaps in 437 00:23:24,860 --> 00:23:27,440 your spacing in your body, yeah, boom. It's 438 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,920 a cool lick too. It's a great it's a it's like, I've been, I 439 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,220 sit there, like this morning at my BNI business meeting. I'm 440 00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:37,520 just, like, just just doing that whole thing. They loved it, 441 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,100 yeah, yeah. Well, that makes turn. It really does. 442 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,200 But the cool thing with that one too, as as with anything, you 443 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,500 know, I'm, I'm of the School of, if you can play it this way, 444 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:50,740 play it backwards, nice. Oh, you know, because with drum corps, 445 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,880 that was one thing that we learned, if you've got 300 guys 446 00:23:54,940 --> 00:23:58,780 auditioning for 10 snare spots, and you've got seven of those 447 00:23:58,780 --> 00:24:01,620 snare spots returning, even though they still got a re 448 00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:05,100 audition, it's pretty much a shoe in, yeah. So there's two 449 00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:08,340 open, three open spots or something, yep, or right? And 10 450 00:24:08,340 --> 00:24:11,640 snare drummers, yeah. And when they start making cuts, you 451 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,660 know, you'll have a line of 20 people. And the caption head is 452 00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:20,600 walking up and down and cutting people stick high, or is looking 453 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,260 at or if everybody's perfect, if they've got it down to the final 454 00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:28,640 12, they'll go, all right. Play it off the left, reverse the 455 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,180 sticking in your brain like that. Go now, oh my 456 00:24:32,180 --> 00:24:34,100 god, do it. That'd be interesting. 457 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:36,260 That never had, that never happened to you. Well, now going 458 00:24:36,260 --> 00:24:39,200 back to, you know, because you're North Texas, core and 459 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,980 marching band are different things I did eight years of 460 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:44,680 marching band, right? But, you know, I had a conversation with 461 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,900 Greg Bissett about this. I was like, hey, you know all the, all 462 00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:50,260 the advanced rudiments that the ones that are 46 and above your 463 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,840 cheese diddles and Flam didles and all that. I said hybrids. 464 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,840 Those are the real those are the get you fired rudiments. And he 465 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,360 goes, You're so, right? Yeah, you know what I mean. So I like 466 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:01,500 my hands, and I'm. Attempted sometimes to learn the new 467 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,620 cheese diddle and stuff, but I also realized, do I really need 468 00:25:04,620 --> 00:25:07,560 this? I don't think so, but I think it's really cool that 469 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:07,800 what's 470 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,720 a cheese diddle first and foremost, it's, 471 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,880 well, they sell them in the chip aisle, yeah. 472 00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:15,780 Are they a new item at buckies? Cheese diddles 473 00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:19,440 are like, like, a flam with a drag and then another. You know? 474 00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:20,180 It's 475 00:25:20,180 --> 00:25:24,320 like, imagine a paradiddle. Okay, right, left, right, right. 476 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,240 So put a flam on the first right, and as well as a diddle, 477 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:34,400 dig it that, dig at it, that, dig it, do that. He loves me. 478 00:25:34,460 --> 00:25:38,960 And then once you get used to that, now start it the other the 479 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,580 other hand, because even though you're alternating right to 480 00:25:42,580 --> 00:25:46,720 left, you're always going to have the weaker hand and your 481 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,320 brain as soon as you walk start with the opposite hand. But that 482 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,100 by that training is 483 00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:53,260 universal, which goes back to George Lauren Stone's book, 484 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:55,420 which is like, look at if you're going to go right left, right, 485 00:25:55,420 --> 00:25:57,460 left, you want to go left, right, left, right. And if 486 00:25:57,460 --> 00:25:59,740 you're going to go right right, left, left, you're going to want 487 00:25:59,740 --> 00:26:01,260 to go left, left, left, right, right, and 488 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:04,320 you better go between the exercises seamlessly, without 489 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,080 stopping and without changing tone, because you go 490 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,120 right, right, left, left, right, right, left, left, right, right, 491 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,400 left, left, right, left, left, left, left, right, right, left, 492 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,440 right, left, right, left, right, right, left, right, left, right, 493 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:13,680 left, 494 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,600 right, right, left, right, yep, yeah, that's how, that's how I 495 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,840 would build my feet, build my hands. Nice, all that stuff. Was 496 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,480 doing pyramids, just Yeah, committed plate, singles, 497 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,700 doubles, triples, quads, Quince, all the way up to 10 or 12, and 498 00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:32,840 then come back down. And then do it on the left hand, and then do 499 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,760 it with the feet. Double the note value, half the note value, 500 00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:39,140 so on. And so 501 00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:41,860 a lot of people think you're just a leather jacket wearing 502 00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:46,660 long haired rock drummer that rules, but no, but you're, 503 00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:48,700 you're actually the guy that was like, Okay, now I'm gonna do 504 00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:51,880 this exercise with my feet. I would get, 505 00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:56,380 I would get, part of the reason that I can do a lot of the stuff 506 00:26:56,380 --> 00:27:00,780 I can do is, like, I get bored. When middle school I was playing 507 00:27:00,780 --> 00:27:04,080 drums seven hours a day, yeah? Like, wake up, play the pad half 508 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,540 an hour. Go to the bus stop. Play the pad. Get on the bus. 509 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:09,840 Play the pad in between classes, like, Race to the next class. 510 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,500 Play the pad, band room during lunch break, like, finish up 511 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:16,680 early. Run in the band room. Play the drum set, go to the 512 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,420 next class, pad, soon as you got home. Play the kit for two 513 00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:24,200 hours, get off the camera, do your homework, get back on the 514 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,920 kit, be done by nine, and in the evening, as a courtesy, it was 515 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,760 like seven hours a day. Love that dedication. And then, yes, 516 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,540 I would get bored, and I'd set the drum set up left handed and 517 00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:38,180 play it like that for a week. Oh, wow. I'll teach myself how 518 00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:42,940 to play left but my right foot hi hat still is not great, but 519 00:27:42,940 --> 00:27:44,140 it doesn't need 520 00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:47,320 to be. You ever have your main kick drum pedal go out on you? 521 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,340 Oh yeah, you know, 522 00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:51,160 several times I've never done that where you're setting up the 523 00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:54,640 kit backwards, but did you ever work on that Gary Chester new 524 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,040 breed book? No, yeah, because you would be great at that. 525 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,380 Because basically you're not turning the drum set around. But 526 00:27:59,380 --> 00:28:01,860 the whole idea is you have these systems, like these melodies, 527 00:28:01,860 --> 00:28:04,680 like an ostinato, and then you do some reading against the 528 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,960 ostinato, and then you also he's got, like, a counting thing 529 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,780 where your voice is the fifth limb. So you might want to be 530 00:28:09,780 --> 00:28:12,000 counting down beats. You might want to be counting up beats. 531 00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:14,880 And then you're leading what sounds like, it's like what, you 532 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,100 know, we'll win. That's 533 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,160 the stuff that I like. You can see the smile. That's kind of 534 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,860 stuff I might smile. Yeah, that's, 535 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,100 that's a Time Eater. I mean, it's like, oh my god, where did 536 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:28,100 the last 10 years go? Oh yeah, the new breed. Yeah, you know 537 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:29,060 what I mean. I mean, 538 00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:33,740 but, and the thing is, are you gonna get hired for left hand 539 00:28:33,740 --> 00:28:36,200 out in that chops or any No, it's not 540 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,380 like the Thomas Lang thing, right? You know, he's a monster 541 00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:43,120 on the kit, yeah? And he can do all sorts of Sure, can, you 542 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,720 know, all the things. But when it comes down to brass tax, he's 543 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,000 just playing what needs to be played. Yeah, 544 00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:51,880 you know, I mean, Virgil, too. Virgil had like, the Tina Marie 545 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,420 gig and all these pop gigs in Australia in the 80s before 546 00:28:55,420 --> 00:28:58,840 anybody knew who he was. Right for being Virgil, yeah, before 547 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,760 any of that stuff. But you know, that wasn't really where he 548 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,740 wanted his career to go. He was just like, Man, this is what I 549 00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:09,660 want to do. That's me. 550 00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:13,680 Haven't heard from Virgil in a while what he's he's still 551 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,140 doing, clinics, tours, his original stuff. 552 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,520 I think his last album was, like, 17 or something. 553 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,820 Well, he's a true artist in the sense that he puts out, you 554 00:29:22,820 --> 00:29:25,700 know, and that's something I want to add to my repertoire. 555 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,760 That's something to check off the list, which is sort of like 556 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,520 a solo drum record, but, you know, very musical, yeah, you 557 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,280 know, where you where, you know, it could almost be licensed, and 558 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,400 then it's not gonna be, it's gonna be a, okay, it's gonna be 559 00:29:37,460 --> 00:29:40,780 a Jazz, Jazz flute record. Yeah, it's gonna be a jazz fusion 560 00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:43,660 record, but like approachable, polite fusion, like you could 561 00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:46,300 still clap two and four, that kind of stuff, just not one and 562 00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:48,520 three. So I want to do that. No. Well, that's, that's for our 563 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,920 debut at the Grand Ole Opry. Yeah, exactly. Thank you. 564 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,120 So between the two of you guys, hit the 565 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,440 symbol sweatpants, 566 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,760 I'm. And shut up and play two and four. 567 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,520 So between the two of you guys, I'd love to see more video 568 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,900 content on all those things that you guys can do, because people 569 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:17,280 have, like, that preconceived notion that this is all you can 570 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,040 do. Rich. You were like, Oh, you rock, you play country music. 571 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,140 But I'm like, Oh no, yeah, I've seen him riff before. He is, oh 572 00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:28,100 yeah. He's got a deep well of knowledge. And his chops are, I 573 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:31,100 mean, because, I mean all these guys that are like, dominating 574 00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:35,000 tick tock and the reels and all this other stuff, they can't 575 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,880 hack it. They didn't put the time in for the touring and 576 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,980 studio sessions like you guys have. But they're circus guys on 577 00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:45,700 online and like, hey, you know, here's this, you know, really 578 00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:47,200 lightning fast riff. We 579 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,680 met Ellis the parrio backstage, right? Yeah, Alice The party is 580 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,020 the Spanish guy, right? That smokes weed and plays with, 581 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,440 yeah, with one hand, right? I didn't even know he was there. 582 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,320 He was playing with somebody that day. I just came out of our 583 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,980 dressing room and he was in the hallway. Yeah? Oh shit, dude, 584 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,140 yeah. Photo. Well, we could, we 585 00:31:04,140 --> 00:31:06,360 could you and I could be creating more content. But, I 586 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,340 mean, he's, he's out there, you know, playing. He's got his 587 00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:11,280 balls to the wall. He's, like, playing the 20,000 people. He's 588 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,800 standing up with the kick drum, getting people. I mean, you're a 589 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,180 freaking rock star. Well, 590 00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:20,420 and, and, well, thank you. But I it's weird for me, man. I don't, 591 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,140 I don't feel the rock star thing, you know, I Well, 592 00:31:24,140 --> 00:31:27,200 people tell me, Oh, you're a rock star. Like, what I, I hang 593 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,040 out with rock stars, or 594 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,880 what we, we were lucky enough that our dream came true. Yeah, 595 00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:36,800 that shouldn't change who we are as human beings, no. And I, I've 596 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,500 never felt myself as the person to just throw myself out there 597 00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:45,220 just because, yeah, like, if anybody wants to ask a question 598 00:31:45,220 --> 00:31:49,720 or anything great, yeah, awesome, but I don't want to 599 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,540 bother anybody. Yeah, you know, I'm terrible about self 600 00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:55,600 promotion, yeah? Well, you did all right, buddy, yeah, yeah, 601 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,260 but I need to be better. I've got 10 years worth of drum cam 602 00:31:59,260 --> 00:32:04,500 footage with accept. Well, you could probably put all that on 603 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,860 YouTube, 15 or 20 terabytes of raw footage. Would those 604 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:09,960 guys be okay with you putting it out there? I don't know. 605 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,520 Maybe. I mean, it's, there's no board feed, no mix, nothing like 606 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,080 that. It's just, it's two or three cams on the drums. 607 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,280 Is it one shot? You got to actually meld the shots? No, 608 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,020 it's, it's, it's three separate go. So, yeah, I would have to 609 00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:29,960 drop it into they're not switched. No, okay, and I would, 610 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,260 I've thought about doing that and throwing in Final Cut and 611 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,500 doing all that. But the other thing too is, man, when I'm 612 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:41,260 home, I just want to be home, right? Yeah, I get, I still, you 613 00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:44,140 know, we have the studio at the house, which is awesome, so I 614 00:32:44,140 --> 00:32:47,740 can record remote in my pajamas, and that's fun, or we can just 615 00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:50,320 be creative, you know. And that's I 616 00:32:51,340 --> 00:32:52,840 want to get into, that. I 617 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:58,420 weld. I did to your woodworker, woodworking business, yeah, I'm 618 00:32:58,420 --> 00:33:02,100 getting into a bit of the vinyl business for drummers. 619 00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:06,540 Okay, okay, so many skill sets. So you were telling me your big, 620 00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:09,960 gigantic you have several drum set, drum sets for except you 621 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,620 did the welding for your rack. That's one huge hill skill set 622 00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:15,960 in the story. But now you're saying a woodworking business. 623 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,780 Are you like building furniture for people? Yeah, yeah. Do you 624 00:33:18,780 --> 00:33:20,900 have like, a website like Christopher Williams 625 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:22,580 creations.com or something 626 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:27,500 the it's CDW Woodworks, and that's with an X on the end, 627 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:29,600 yeah, W, O, R, X, you're 628 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,200 designing custom furniture for people. Yeah, 629 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,140 that is key. Recognize the wood of the table you're 630 00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:38,960 sitting at. Yeah. This is what's called an ambrosia maple. And 631 00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:39,620 you know 632 00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:43,120 where I got this on auction. I think we have more of it in the 633 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:49,420 back shop. I want to talk price. You You got pay pay attention to 634 00:33:49,420 --> 00:33:51,760 mcmore auction. McCarthy more auction. Okay, 635 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,400 see, we always breaks the fourth wall. They used to reload it. 636 00:33:54,580 --> 00:33:56,020 It's that sometimes 637 00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:58,720 they'll have wood that comes up because we just found rices are 638 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,040 not cheap, and they auction it off for pennies on the dollar. 639 00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:05,040 So we got a whole bunch of this stuff. My guy who just worked 640 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:05,760 here, excited. I 641 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,380 just got wood, but actually, and they backfilled it and 642 00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:12,660 everything. All the wormholes are back filled. Well, we 643 00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:15,240 had a guy who worked here who was a woodworker as well, yeah. 644 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:17,700 And he put this table together. I told him how big this 645 00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:21,380 is Star bond adhesive. I know what that is right, because I'm 646 00:34:21,380 --> 00:34:21,680 a dork, 647 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,200 because those are, those are two layers of wood that are 648 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,700 sandwiched together. Yeah, you do this 649 00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:27,500 in your garage. Is that your Yeah, shop 650 00:34:27,620 --> 00:34:31,760 Nice. We've got so it's a, it's a two car garage. Half of it is 651 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,760 the shop. And yeah, I mean, I've got an armoire on the list to do 652 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,220 for my in laws as a wedding present. Nice as a thank you for 653 00:34:42,220 --> 00:34:47,740 them. Got a bunch of stuff to do for the house. Next up, some 654 00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:52,780 friends want a custom Island. I just rebuilt a 20 foot stretch 655 00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:55,840 of fence for a buddy of ours because I grew up doing 656 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,320 carpentry and stuff outside of music. I built my first deck 657 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,100 with my uncle. Lee, when I was 12 or 13, your 658 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,460 own hands. See, what did you have the attitude of, even 659 00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:08,700 though it is a form of a backup plan, I'm not going to rely on 660 00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:10,140 that. I'm still going to, yeah, no, it's, 661 00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:13,320 it's, it's just always been a hobby. Yeah? I mean, I would 662 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,080 watch norm Abram on PBS, whether it was New Yankee or this old 663 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,720 house. And then when TLC became a channel, you know, they had 664 00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:28,100 home time and all those shows and, you know, get in there, get 665 00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:28,760 your hands dirty. 666 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,640 You got to have a knack for it, though, which you do? Obviously, 667 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,200 yeah, it's great. You've done 668 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,060 electrical work all kinds. Yeah, I 669 00:35:35,060 --> 00:35:39,560 do electrical. I was in the trade for a season. But I love 670 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,580 hearing stories like that with the welding and the woodworking, 671 00:35:42,580 --> 00:35:45,760 because it reminds me of Troy laketa, yeah? Like we were 672 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,800 interviewing him, and we all of a sudden, he's like, oh yeah. 673 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,160 And I do a roofing business, and you kind of went out, you kind 674 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,500 of went back in the drums. I'm like, no, no, no. Hold on time 675 00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:56,500 out here for a second stop. What? What did you just say? 676 00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:58,660 You're a roofer? He goes, Oh, yeah, I've 677 00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:03,240 done that too, right? Hard. July, many moons. Oh, it sucked. 678 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:06,360 I did it in August. Oh, I did it for about 679 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,540 which is the prime season to do it, because you have to do it. 680 00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:09,720 Talk 681 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:10,800 about a farmer's hand. 682 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,340 The only part that's where I developed the fear of heights, 683 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,180 yeah, really, the only part that ever really bothered me, aside 684 00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:21,860 from that, was just doing tear off, you know, because you're 685 00:36:21,860 --> 00:36:26,480 tearing off all the shingles and like, the inside of your elbow 686 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,660 is just coated with asphalt chips and just 687 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:35,000 the well, and also it's, it's, it's a hell of a way you can get 688 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,660 hurt easily. 689 00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:41,140 Oh yeah, that's hard work. And I left because the company was 690 00:36:41,140 --> 00:36:46,720 taking steeper pitch roofs with no safety harnesses. I mean, 691 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:51,700 we're talking toe boards five feet apart, where you're like, 692 00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:57,220 struggling to make that gap happen. Wow. And I remember 693 00:36:57,220 --> 00:37:02,220 being on a third story roof with my brother one day overcast. We 694 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:05,040 shouldn't have even been up there. He and I showed up to the 695 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,520 site. First the materials were there. The supervisor said, go 696 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,360 ahead and he and I are sitting off, hanging off the edge of 697 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,540 this house, with our feet dangling, nailing on starter 698 00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:18,600 strip over the gutters, and just going, 699 00:37:19,740 --> 00:37:22,940 I don't think I'm coming back after race stories, man, I'm 700 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:23,540 pretty 701 00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:27,620 and that was like, I was still in South Carolina, but I was 702 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:32,480 starting to gig regularly. I had just gotten picked up by the 703 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,020 booty band to do a fall tour. Is yo mama's big fat booty band. 704 00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:39,080 I was like, a funk, funk trippy band kind of thing. 705 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,580 Seven piece, original, seven piece funk band with a horn 706 00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:45,940 section, yeah, we went out open for P funk and fish bone Harris 707 00:37:45,940 --> 00:37:49,960 brothers did all kinds of head festivals and craft brew fest 708 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,920 when craft brew was just kind of becoming a thing, yeah, 709 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,120 alongside podcasts, 710 00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:58,720 you like the IPA? Oh, I love IPA. Oh, yeah, if I have to go 711 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:02,340 craft I like a West Coast IPA, like a, you know, Sierra Nevada 712 00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:03,360 style. I 713 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,100 dig Well, Chris, the happier the more bitter. Oh, he wanted, if I 714 00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:10,980 could get away with drinking space dust all night, I would. 715 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,740 Space dust is nice. It's home style. 716 00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:17,580 It's just 9% so you can't really hang out and drink that well, 717 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,380 Voodoo Rangers like that, the tall boy range, the green one, 718 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,780 they will. They've got you to freaking sleep. They've got the 719 00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:28,220 7% one, the orange version of the IPA. Very fruity. That one's 720 00:38:28,220 --> 00:38:31,400 really I love space dust. Yeah, space dust and also means 721 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,980 a different thing now than it did back in the day. Oh, yeah, 722 00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:35,840 thankfully Yes. You 723 00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:39,440 want a good podcast to listen to, the ales and tails podcast. 724 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,100 Make sure you check 725 00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:43,360 that out. Nice. Jim got in his five promotional points. That's 726 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,680 right at the front of the show. 727 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,380 It's a podcast, a buddy of mine, Mercurio. We're friends with 728 00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:51,220 Mercuria. He's our financial advisor and a beer expert. Oh, 729 00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:54,760 he's a nice, very articulate, very intelligent beer expert. 730 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,680 So you got a guy that drinks a lot of beer hands, 731 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,680 but he's so thin you're like, where you put it? Just kidding. 732 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,080 He's He's freaking real. He's a gymnast in the making. But he 733 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,900 it's, it's makes you have an appreciation for because I never 734 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:09,900 did. So like, Okay, what is this, you know, what kind of 735 00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:12,120 notes are you getting on the nose? And I'd just be sitting 736 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,340 there looking at the other people going, I don't know. It's 737 00:39:14,340 --> 00:39:16,440 gotten to the point I was like, burps. It's 738 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,380 like, it's like, wine and bourbon, you're right, scotch 739 00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:23,000 and stuff now, where you're just like, what? Right? But it makes 740 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,280 sense, because if you think about it, you go to the store, 741 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,380 there's that wall nowadays full of craft beers. Yeah, you don't 742 00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:33,620 know where to start, but having something like that's cool. It 743 00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:37,340 is because otherwise you just reach for the same two or three 744 00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:38,780 standbys, and 745 00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:41,020 you figure out what you like and everything, even, you know, 746 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,780 with, you know, the whiskey having a couple of nips every 747 00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:46,360 now and then, I'm like, I'm getting a taste for this stuff. 748 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,580 This is kind of dangerous. Oh yeah, it's all dangerous. And 749 00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:50,680 then we got into dude, the Evan Williams eggnog. We 750 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,100 got, we also got in cigars. I got in cigars about five years 751 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:54,460 ago. 752 00:39:56,740 --> 00:39:59,920 Are you an eggnog guy when it comes to the dude? Neither was. 753 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,580 I I've Evan Williams just, I'm telling you two words, two 754 00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:09,660 words, China, China. Evan Williams, Wuhan. 755 00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:13,200 Wuhan. China's the popularity has dipped. It's 756 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,200 the China virus is terrible, terrible. Oh, I'm working on my 757 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,280 trump impersonation. Hey, 758 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,080 the kid from Nashville. You know the does Trump on SNL is spot 759 00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:21,740 on. I 760 00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:24,440 had a guy in here yesterday, Brian, Austin, whatever his name 761 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,140 is, on my on my podcast, the mostly Middle Tennessee business 762 00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:29,480 podcast. Check it out. MMT bp.com, I 763 00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:31,760 love it. It's, I can't wait to read the show 764 00:40:33,740 --> 00:40:37,820 notes. Jim promotes. Jim promotes. Jim promotes. 765 00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:41,140 I thought this was the rich, rich Redmond, oh, my God, 766 00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:45,340 that's so funny. Man. That's like, he's on fire right now. I 767 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,440 love it. So, so listen, we do want to hear some we do want to 768 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,900 hear some stories about, like, you know what? The, you know, 769 00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:55,600 the what it's like working with except, I mean, and they, I'm 770 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,820 sure you listen to him as a young man, and now you're on 771 00:40:57,820 --> 00:41:00,640 stage with him, which is, which is amazing. But you also want to 772 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,480 hear about, you know, some gene and a stories. You know, you're 773 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,880 working with your rhythms. Did you ever get to work with Paul? 774 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,900 He seems like he's, no, you know he's, he's like, less out there, 775 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,800 yeah, but he'll go and he'll be, my mom saw him in Toronto. He 776 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,260 was, he did the Phantom of the Opera, yeah? Like, he'll 777 00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:21,440 do that was 99 Yeah, yeah. 99 I remember notes and everything. 778 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,740 Okay? I guess he went into, he went into voice training for 779 00:41:24,740 --> 00:41:28,520 that, and when they did the farewell tour with the original 780 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,940 lineup in 2000 you could definitely tell the difference 781 00:41:31,940 --> 00:41:33,800 in his voice, really, yeah, because 782 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,060 it was Michael Crawford in the original cast, and he hits that 783 00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:41,800 one note when they're down in his area, the Phantoms basement, 784 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,440 whatever. Yeah, and he's got Christine talking about at the 785 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,280 end, you know, no, it's actually in, I want to say the first he 786 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,020 takes her down, first time he takes her down, 787 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,260 yeah, my wife will watch that, and the hair will stand up on 788 00:41:59,260 --> 00:42:02,400 her arms. Yeah, that's that kind of a note, yeah. So, I mean, for 789 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,380 someone to hit that with the power 790 00:42:04,860 --> 00:42:09,000 Gerard, Gerard Butler in that movie, nothing were awesome. No, 791 00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:09,420 no, 792 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,340 no, he could not hit that. Remember 793 00:42:11,340 --> 00:42:14,400 when le Miz, all the actors, the big Highland actors, did le Miz, 794 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,040 you know, Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman is a song and dance man, 795 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:17,160 for 796 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,260 sure. Yeah, even the greatest showman. I mean, they had, 797 00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:24,380 there's a video on YouTube where they're playing, they're 798 00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:33,980 rehearsing from now on, which is a great song, very deep. And he 799 00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:37,280 just wanted to stop by, encourage the cast and make an 800 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,160 appearance. And he just had, like, sinus surgery or some sort 801 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,860 of cancer removed from his nose, and they told him not to sing, 802 00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:48,820 and he did it anyway. Oh, and he just belts the crap out of it. 803 00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:51,700 Man, gorgeous performance. Sebastian 804 00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:55,600 Bach did Jekyll and Hyde. Yeah, I think on Broadway. 805 00:42:56,860 --> 00:43:00,100 Wow. People will go out of just out of curiosity to see how they 806 00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,640 do, yeah, totally. And it's like, they're like, Hey, I don't 807 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,040 care, like, if they nail it, they just want to go see it. I 808 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,400 just found out recently, your boss did a rendition of, I 809 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,640 remember you. Do you recall that? Wow, oh yeah. 810 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,080 It was one of the first things that we ever recorded with Dean 811 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,540 in 99 812 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,840 Yeah, yeah. Speaking of Aldean, yeah, I've talked to you about 813 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,180 it before, but how loud 814 00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:28,760 my click is? No, it's because remember what? Remember one time 815 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,000 you said I heard the click coming from your ears. 816 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,540 They're one feet away. There's that we produce the 817 00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:39,080 volume now we, I'm on, like, straight up at like noon, on the 818 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,400 ears, on the pack. 819 00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:44,560 I'm I start there and go down as the show goes, nice, bro, yeah, 820 00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:49,600 I mix. I put the pack on noon, set the mix myself on an iPad, 821 00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:53,140 yeah. And then just try to bring it as the night goes. Just let 822 00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:55,780 my ears re attenuate so I don't blow them out. Great. 823 00:43:55,900 --> 00:43:59,020 I don't usually go above 1pm on the on the 824 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,460 that's, that's overkill. If you need to. You're vibrating your 825 00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:03,180 brain. Then don't go 826 00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:06,360 to two. Don't do it. Your cochlea is being rocked. This 827 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,140 goes to one 828 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,920 major, I got to give major props. We've talked about it 829 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,880 before, and I listened to it again in the car. Your drum part 830 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:19,740 on back in this cigarette. 831 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,720 Oh, fucking brilliant. Oh, thanks fucking bro. So long, 832 00:44:23,780 --> 00:44:24,440 long ago, 833 00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:28,520 but I remember hearing that shortly after moving to town and 834 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:34,460 just going, this is a new breed of like sessions country, 835 00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:40,340 because there's like you're lick going into the second verse. But 836 00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:46,600 Acton. But the way you execute it, the Hi Hat foot splash on 837 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,480 the outro, where you're playing on the rim, and then you go to 838 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,440 the snare March and all that stuff, just swampy, almost like 839 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,700 second line outro thing, dude. Thanks. Before you kind of 840 00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:01,440 gracefully bow out with the symbols and. Little side stick 841 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,800 on the edge of the cymbals. Nice man. Appreciate Phil's 842 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,860 everything in that song is just perfect. 843 00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:10,140 I appreciate it, man. You know what's so funny is, is that it 844 00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:13,740 was all done in like, under an hour. And, you know, I got to 845 00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:17,280 give props also to Michael Knox for being so encouraging and 846 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,160 open minded to percussion, because for the first nine 847 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,180 records we would get. I mean, he would say, Yeah, bring in your 848 00:45:23,180 --> 00:45:26,060 stuff. And I would dump out my toy box of all my interesting 849 00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:31,880 stuff that tracks got like an like some shakers and 850 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,180 tambourines, finger snaps and suspended symbol rolls, and 851 00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:37,160 got that constant right off the get go. 852 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,540 Shakers are so powerful. I mean, for 20 bucks, or an old Advil 853 00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:49,840 bottle that you fill with rice, it's just one of my favorite 854 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:50,740 instruments. That's 855 00:45:50,740 --> 00:45:53,740 the cool thing with it too, is you can have so much fun. You 856 00:45:53,740 --> 00:45:58,540 can go out. And I remember going into forks a couple years ago. 857 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:04,140 There was a minor double row, uh, brass jingle. That's like 858 00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:08,280 the 10 inch one with the little inset handle. And getting so 859 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,880 excited over that, because it was the first time I remember 860 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,540 hearing such a clean tone for your tambourine, yeah, for a 861 00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:21,680 tambourine. No mics, no nothing. Just in the corner, just it, 862 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,340 just Oh. And then I got you a minor guy. No, oh, Sabian. 863 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:26,300 Sabian. 864 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,720 Okay, we're both with Sabian. Shout out, Chris. Thank you. 865 00:46:29,780 --> 00:46:32,360 Yeah, isn't it nice, like to be able to have a friend in the 866 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,060 business where you're like, Who you calling? Who you on the 867 00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:37,640 phone with? Oh, just my buddy and Burbank. I'm just getting 868 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,740 some new symbols. I mean, it's just so cool. 869 00:46:39,980 --> 00:46:44,080 Yeah, man, yeah, I love stinky. He's just, he's a lifer. He, he 870 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,540 took a chance on me when I was, 871 00:46:47,980 --> 00:46:49,360 I don't know younger, yeah, 872 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,360 20 in your 20s, 2011 873 00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:56,200 I was with Leroy Powell, yeah, we had just gotten a tour 874 00:46:56,260 --> 00:46:59,740 opening with Kid Rock and stuff, because he used to come down on 875 00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:03,900 Broadway and jam and stuff. And, you know, Leroy had, I guess, I 876 00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:05,940 don't know if it was through shooter Jennings, yeah, but 877 00:47:05,940 --> 00:47:07,800 Leroy had some connection in there 878 00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:12,780 now, now, Pearl is celebrating 75 years in business today, 879 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,680 yesterday or today, we had Jason Hartless on, yeah, some of your 880 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,680 colleagues, Keo, um, so you've been with them, and you got a 881 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,200 lot of drama. So when you order a new kid, it's like, I need a 882 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,020 1020, need a 1012, 1316, 18, 220, fours. Call 883 00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:31,460 the bank, get a loan, second mortgage. Yeah, yeah, it's a, 884 00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:33,140 it's a big drum set lot. 885 00:47:33,140 --> 00:47:37,160 And then you're, I mean, you're going like, like, 15 inch hats, 886 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,060 16 inch hats, 887 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,840 14 inch hats. Oh, why use the AX accelerators. Oh, nice, but big 888 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,700 crashes, but it's double hats. Because I don't I could do the X 889 00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:52,060 hat thing over here, but the honest truth is, when you have 890 00:47:52,060 --> 00:47:55,600 an X hat here versus playing cross, believe it or not, you 891 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,800 hit the symbols differently, and now you've got a secondary mic 892 00:47:59,860 --> 00:48:02,820 that's got all this additional bleed from whatever else is over 893 00:48:02,820 --> 00:48:06,540 it. And sometimes your band mates don't want a pan or any so 894 00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:10,020 I do the Tommy Aldridge thing where I've got the closed hat on 895 00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:14,760 top of the open the pedal hat. Yeah. So if we're doing double 896 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,300 bass, I don't do a drop clutch or any of that. I just have it 897 00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:23,600 barely sizzling for French kissing, yep, and just do that. 898 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,780 But they're both right here, so I can play open or crossed on 899 00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:30,260 them, yeah, depending on what I'm doing. But I've got two 900 00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:35,120 nineteens and the and the models change year to year, but two 901 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,560 nineteens up front, 219 inch China's hovering over that 80s 902 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,360 style, yeah, and then 220s usually thinner. Crashes back 903 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,960 here, the big wash, but then they're all pitched, you know, 904 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,220 bing, bing, bing, bing. So depending what riff is being 905 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:53,920 played, or whatever, I'll play the symbols. Nice attention to 906 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,580 detail. Not that anybody's gonna hear that, but I hear it when I 907 00:48:57,580 --> 00:49:00,540 record the song. Yeah, anyway. And that's kind of the muscle 908 00:49:00,540 --> 00:49:01,380 memory and 909 00:49:01,620 --> 00:49:04,380 everything with a band like, except you need a giant mega 910 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,240 bill, the mega Bill ride, 911 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,660 the HH power bill, yeah, Vinnie Paul ride. So that 912 00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:13,020 used to be, that's kind of like sabian's equivalent of the zill 913 00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:14,760 Bell, yeah. I mean, no, 914 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,120 that's, that's like the Zildjian mega belt. Zildjian did a 21 915 00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:21,560 right? And they still do. They just reintroduced the Z custom 916 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,360 line. But Z thinks that's nice. I think that's kind of where it 917 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,020 started. And then Vinnie went to Sabian, and they did that for 918 00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:32,540 him. I could be wrong, but if I'm not mistaken, I 919 00:49:32,540 --> 00:49:36,860 finally got to break some bread with will Calhoun. I mean, I had 920 00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:42,280 vivid, living colors, vivid on cassette Yeah, in 1988 921 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,360 or 89 visit and time's up. Amazing, 922 00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:49,780 yeah, dude, sorry, but he had that mega Bell ride. Yeah, it 923 00:49:49,780 --> 00:49:52,840 was just all Bell. The whole thing was a bell cult 924 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,640 of personality got me fired from a bit. 925 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,500 Well, no, he was using back then he was using either the earth 926 00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:04,620 ride. Or he was using the Z heavy power. I've got a couple 927 00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:09,420 of those 20 fours, and I, I'm just waiting for the Sabian 928 00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:12,780 custom shop to open up so I can get the Roy Mayorga ride. Ooh, 929 00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:15,420 because it's, it's basically that, it'll give you tennis 930 00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:20,120 elbow and break all your sticks. But you will hear that ride the 931 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,320 next county over. 932 00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:25,880 Oh, I used to even at a younger, younger weighs 14 pounds. 933 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,780 Oh, my gosh, it's a 24 inch ride, though, 24 934 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,140 inch 14 pound ride symbol, because I 935 00:50:33,140 --> 00:50:36,260 used to have the 24 the AA bash ride, 936 00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:39,860 but it wasn't 14 pounds. 937 00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:43,240 Yeah, go. Just look up Roy Mayorga, whether it's with stone 938 00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:49,540 sour or ministry or eighth inch easily. Oh, that's crazy, yeah. 939 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,760 So it's dumb, and I've been telling stanky for years. I'm 940 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,960 like, Dude, come on. Come on. He goes once custom shops pumping 941 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,960 out. We'll get you on nice, 942 00:51:02,340 --> 00:51:05,340 because I had, back in the day when limited to green, green 943 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,980 tractor hit the airwaves. I think it was like oh eight or oh 944 00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:15,120 nine. I had a 24 inch Sabian, heavily a rock ride. Very Pinky, 945 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,600 huge bell. You can still wash it a little bit, but mostly ping 946 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,680 you late. You know, you shoulder crash it. That was, was that 947 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,800 when you, that was when you had the natural kit, wasn't it the 948 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,120 natural flats tour, yeah, 949 00:51:26,180 --> 00:51:28,760 yeah. I don't know who's got that. Now, you know, I sold a 950 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,180 lot of my sonar stuff to Gary Asher, the drum collector. Yeah, 951 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:36,020 slash drum. I don't even call him the drum pusher. They called 952 00:51:36,020 --> 00:51:39,320 Don, they called Don Bennett the drum pusher, because he buys, he 953 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,620 bought car mines, Kitty bought, you know, ringos kits. Today, 954 00:51:41,620 --> 00:51:44,320 it's the last big purchase that, because I just got to spend some 955 00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:48,760 time with Don. He bought all of aerosmith's their warehouse. He 956 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,900 bought everything, wow, in the Aerosmith warehouse. And then 957 00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:55,840 slowly but surely, took the time to trickle everything out and 958 00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,300 sell each item one by one. And of course, he's patient, and he 959 00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:02,880 was able to, like, quadruple his profit. 960 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:09,360 Oh yeah. I knew he had, he had Kramer's, the purple swirl DW 961 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,080 with the white hardware for ever, yeah. And I always was 962 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,120 like, man, love that color combo. 963 00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,120 Were you into the aposy a piece brothers? Did you like those 964 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,140 guys? Yeah, yeah, 965 00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:21,740 yeah, respectively, on their own. I mean, I mean, I had the 966 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,160 realistic rock book with the poster totally, you know, with 967 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,940 his leopard Pearl syndrome, yeah, concert, Tom's right up 968 00:52:28,940 --> 00:52:29,600 front. I love 969 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,980 Carmen. I love, I love his, you know, his vocabulary is his 970 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,940 vernacular. Yeah, it's good stuff. Absolutely, he invented 971 00:52:37,940 --> 00:52:40,340 all that shit. Okay, well, what about some of these stories? You 972 00:52:40,340 --> 00:52:42,580 got any funny stories here? Working with Gene, working with 973 00:52:42,580 --> 00:52:45,700 ace, working with Mick Mars lives in town. Of course, you 974 00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:47,920 can always tell the Lee Greenwood story about how you 975 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,780 how you had to prepare for that. There's 976 00:52:49,780 --> 00:52:51,100 that one. Yeah, 977 00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:55,660 we could start with that one. Start with that one. It's 978 00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:58,780 kind of odd though. Even like all you have all these heavy 979 00:52:59,260 --> 00:53:02,820 acts John Karabi, except Gene Simmons, ace, really? And then 980 00:53:02,820 --> 00:53:06,000 you have the one that stands out, Lee Greenwood, yeah, this, 981 00:53:06,060 --> 00:53:08,040 one of these things is not like the other. 982 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,300 So that came about with our buddy Paul arts, who was, I 983 00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:15,780 think he still is with Greenwood, I think so. But 984 00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:20,720 forever, what's up? Paul? Paul arts, woo, woo, but I was 985 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:26,840 renting out his house, and there was a studio downstairs. We had 986 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,140 a band together, like a little metal side project. We jam and 987 00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:36,440 stuff. And there was a casino gig, I think in Oregon, maybe it 988 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,920 was where, last minute, whoever their artist for that weekend 989 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,420 was got sick and bailed and they needed a band ASA, bless you. 990 00:53:48,820 --> 00:53:50,500 Lesson, yeah, so 991 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,840 Andy wasn't available. Their their drummer at the time, and 992 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,200 Andy Hall, yeah, yeah. And their keyboard player wasn't available 993 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:05,940 either. So Paul calls me and goes, Hey, they just called 994 00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:08,880 Greenwood and asked, What's up with this gig. Can you do it? 995 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,880 You know, well, I'm missing a couple people, but let me see. 996 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,300 And Paul calls me, and I said, Yeah, man, cool. He goes, All 997 00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:19,680 right, let me confirm it. I'll call you back. So I'm like, 998 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,920 eating nachos, watching TV. 999 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,700 Paul calls nachos. Yeah. Paul calls back. A half 1000 00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:30,020 hour later. He goes, Okay, the gigs on. I'll send you the set 1001 00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:37,880 list as soon as I get it. Okay, so now it's like 10am 10 1002 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,340 o'clock, something like that. And he goes, Okay, here's the 1003 00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:49,300 set list rehearsal tomorrow, 9am S I R, God, get like 22 songs 1004 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,780 we're doing. 20 of them get 11 hours. Learn this, learn these 1005 00:54:52,780 --> 00:54:57,460 other two. Yeah. And I go, okay. He goes, go downstairs to the 1006 00:54:57,460 --> 00:55:01,740 studio. The center drawer on the desk there's. Two iPods. One has 1007 00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:05,040 the board tapes, the other one has the album versions. What's 1008 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:10,440 an iPad? Yeah, he goes listen to the board tapes, but reference 1009 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:15,480 the album versions as well. So I did, and just did the best I 1010 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,160 could, skeleton charting, but 1011 00:55:17,220 --> 00:55:20,040 specifically you read specific, you obviously read notation. 1012 00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:21,620 Yeah, yeah. Big, help, 1013 00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:25,220 massive, massive. But I didn't have enough time to actually do 1014 00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:28,100 a full transcription of every song. It's a guide chart, so it 1015 00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:31,640 was, yeah, skeleton sheet, certain licks, you know, 1016 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,960 signature parts, whatever. Bang. Bang. Just got through it. Slept 1017 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:42,040 a few hours, got up, Paul came over, and we went through tunes, 1018 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,300 basically, ins and outs, and he's like, okay, went to, sir, 1019 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,620 do the rehearsal. Lead. Didn't even play through the full 1020 00:55:50,620 --> 00:55:54,520 songs. We get, like, up to the bridge, maybe halfway through 1021 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,920 the bridge, and you go, all right, that's good, fine. Yep. 1022 00:55:56,980 --> 00:56:01,140 We're like, Becky on keys. She and I are like, Becky priest, 1023 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:07,980 yeah, sorry. And we're like, No, we need to do this for our sake. 1024 00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:11,760 And he goes, No, you'll be fine, nice. Okay, so the gig comes, 1025 00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:12,900 so 1026 00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:16,980 we leave, yeah, we leave, sir, at 6pm we've got a 6am flight to 1027 00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:21,560 Oregon. Yeah, get there. Quick line check, and then just again, 1028 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:27,260 just study study study study study do the gig. Two minor 1029 00:56:27,260 --> 00:56:31,220 mistakes the whole time. One was a rhythmic figure I played 1030 00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:35,000 backwards on a fill, and it was something quite literally like 1031 00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:38,180 instead of Pat Boone, Debbie Boone, Debbie Boone, Debbie 1032 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:43,180 boom. Pat Boone. The only other mistake which was not 1033 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,500 technically a mistake. Yes, Lee would start this ballad 1034 00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:53,080 downstage, right on a keyboard, and he starts it himself, all 1035 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:58,660 the board tapes I referenced, he just starts free form. He turns 1036 00:56:58,660 --> 00:57:04,080 around and looks at me and goes, give me a tempo. Brain fart, 1037 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,400 yeah, deer in the headlines felt like 20 minutes. Yeah, it's 1038 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,920 probably like two seconds. He's give me a tempo and go, you got 1039 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,180 it. And he just, he laughed, and just started coming in play, 1040 00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:21,860 just playing pads. You're playing pad chords while you're 1041 00:57:21,860 --> 00:57:24,380 talking to the audience. You don't need a tempo like, are you 1042 00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:25,100 just messing with 1043 00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:27,620 so great to be here again. This is a beautiful theater that was 1044 00:57:27,620 --> 00:57:29,180 literally it beautiful crowd. But 1045 00:57:29,180 --> 00:57:32,120 he wanted me to, he wanted me to, to count him in for that. 1046 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,720 Yeah, and I didn't have it free. It's, I didn't have a tempo 1047 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,540 marking on that one because I didn't play on that song. Yeah? 1048 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,620 So I'm like, Cool. He's good. He starts it himself. He's got it. 1049 00:57:41,620 --> 00:57:44,920 So did you only do one gig with him? Yep. But the main thing is, 1050 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,140 is that you were given that opportunity. The door was 1051 00:57:47,140 --> 00:57:50,080 cracked. You end up kicking the door open. Then now you have 1052 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,020 Paul, who's championing you. All the other people that were in 1053 00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:56,320 the band are championing you. And that's that thing that just 1054 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,620 gets that ball roll. Absolutely. Yeah, man, do your homework. 1055 00:57:59,620 --> 00:58:03,600 Kids, preparation. And I say over preparation is the key to 1056 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,420 success. But the thing is, is you were willing to not sleep 1057 00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:10,020 for one evening of your life, yeah, to get the ball rolling 1058 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,760 through your career. And 1059 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,900 I and played with a Grammy Award winning artist like, yeah, man, 1060 00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:18,840 after being in Nashville less than a year, yeah, I think it 1061 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,740 was 11 months at that point, 1011. Months, were you doing 1062 00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:24,860 the day job over at the mineral at that time I was out. Yeah. 1063 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,100 Now tell us how you came across Phil and Jeremy, your brother, 1064 00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:30,020 rhythm section brothers, yeah. So 1065 00:58:30,020 --> 00:58:34,280 that was, I was playing with an artist at the time. Her name was 1066 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,880 Missy Johnson. Missy McCarthy, now married to shaker, who was 1067 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,280 with Southland shaker. Yeah. What's he doing? I don't know. I 1068 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,400 haven't talked to him in years. Yeah, me either. But I was 1069 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,760 playing with Missy, doing her original stuff, and she and I 1070 00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:53,020 are also like, major Zeppelin heads. Yeah, we have a tattoo. 1071 00:58:53,140 --> 00:58:58,420 Yeah, I got the I got the rings, yeah? But so we had this tribute 1072 00:58:58,420 --> 00:59:02,880 night coming up where we were calling the band Roberta plant, 1073 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,740 you know, nice, and that's great. We'd worked up all the 1074 00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:11,880 material, and the mighty Dan halen was going to be 1075 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,960 headlining. And that was Phil. That was Phil schus on guitar, 1076 00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:20,780 Paulie Simmons on drums. Phil's wife, Raquel, who played with 1077 00:59:20,780 --> 00:59:25,640 Maggie rose for a while, nice. She was on base. And then rest 1078 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,580 in peace, our friend Matt Harris, who did a lot of writing 1079 00:59:28,580 --> 00:59:33,800 with Leon Russell. Wow was our Dave, and he was Dave, like, 1080 00:59:33,860 --> 00:59:35,060 like the ashless chaps, 1081 00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:39,740 not that far. But, I mean, just, but like talking to him in 1082 00:59:39,740 --> 00:59:44,680 general, he was Dave, and he could do the wow, that split 1083 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,480 vocal thing. Oh, but so anyway, we're all set. They're gonna 1084 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:53,440 headline. We're gonna open flood hits, May of 2010 1085 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,820 May of 2010 the 100 year flood. Yep, flood hits. 1086 00:59:58,540 --> 01:00:02,640 And you. I guess Polly's something at Polly house had 1087 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,060 gotten flooded. Phil's basement, where they rehearsed on 12th 1088 01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:11,700 South had gotten flooded, and they pulled out of the gig, and 1089 01:00:11,700 --> 01:00:15,600 I I called in desperation. I got Phil's number because I had met 1090 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,600 him once or twice before playing with when he was with Karabi. 1091 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:24,320 And I was like, Dude, I know that that Dave era, like the 1092 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,980 back of my hand. Let's do this. And he goes, Nah, man, that's 1093 01:00:27,980 --> 01:00:31,820 cool. And, you know, to his credit, if you don't know 1094 01:00:31,820 --> 01:00:36,980 somebody, that's, that's a lot. So he's no thanks. So we ended 1095 01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:41,140 up just, we still did the gig, but we did a mixture of Zeppelin 1096 01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:46,120 and missy's original material, but those guys still showed up 1097 01:00:46,540 --> 01:00:50,980 to support at the Rutledge, yeah, and that's where I met 1098 01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:55,180 Jeremy for the first time, and Matt and Raquel, and they were 1099 01:00:55,180 --> 01:01:00,840 just like, Damn dude, yeah, we should hang out. We should, like 1100 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,240 do some more playing. And that's where, sorry, I doubted you. 1101 01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:06,300 Yeah, yeah. And that's where that started. And a week or so 1102 01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:11,040 later, Phil invited me over to the house. We're hanging out and 1103 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,240 talking music. And you know, what's your favorite record? Oh, 1104 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,240 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's my turn. And I go, 1105 01:01:18,660 --> 01:01:24,560 Well, nobody really knows it, I said, but it's King biscuit live 1106 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:31,040 flower hour 1973 at Winterland, humble pie, wow. And Phil 1107 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:35,000 Frampton, oh, no, I know. After Frampton, post Frampton, Clem 1108 01:01:35,780 --> 01:01:38,840 Clemson and he had the blackberries, which were Ray 1109 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,700 Charles backup singers. Marriott had started playing lead guitar 1110 01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:44,200 again and harmonica and b3 1111 01:01:44,740 --> 01:01:47,860 totally obscure, but he was down with it. He knew Phil 1112 01:01:47,860 --> 01:01:52,480 knew it. And he goes, dude, what? And goes over and throws 1113 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,440 it on the turntable. And I go, you know that records just 1114 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,140 freaking out. And next thing you know, we're air guitaring and 1115 01:01:59,140 --> 01:02:03,360 jumping off the couch like children, and it always reminds 1116 01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,240 me of the scene from Step Brothers. Did we just become 1117 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,960 best friends? Yes, do you want to do karate in the garage? Yes, 1118 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,020 look at all this room for activities. It was that, hey, do 1119 01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:20,040 you like guacamole? It was that moment, and that solidified the 1120 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:26,120 bond. And then through Phil and Jeremy, I was brought into that 1121 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,600 rock and roll community, which really threw the doors open. 1122 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,120 Yeah. I mean, because, you know, I mean, I fancy myself an 1123 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,380 overeducated rock drummer, but there is this underbelly of rock 1124 01:02:36,380 --> 01:02:39,380 and roll in Nashville more than ever. But I mean, you three guys 1125 01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:42,640 have really made a name for yourself in a country town being 1126 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,960 the go to rock guys, absolutely. And what was, what was the Rock 1127 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,000 and Roll residency? Is that still happening? 1128 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,580 Sometimes they're, they're actually doing what, I'm not 1129 01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:53,620 sure when this will air, but they're doing one Friday 1130 01:02:53,620 --> 01:02:54,100 actually, 1131 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,560 okay, this is probably come out in what, seven weeks, or 1132 01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,900 something like that. Okay, yeah, yeah. Well, never mind Strike 1133 01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:02,460 that. But anyways, this Friday would have happened. So this 1134 01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:04,440 Friday is where East 1135 01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,900 Side bowl, oh, the East Side bowl, because now they they do 1136 01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:08,700 it once, twice a year. 1137 01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:11,520 Hey, man, that East Side bowl is becoming quite a popular venue, 1138 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,380 like rad. Man, a lot of music. 1139 01:03:13,380 --> 01:03:15,840 There's three different stages in that place, and they're all 1140 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,080 completely different. Who owns it? Does Grammy own? That chark 1141 01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:24,500 Ken solving, I don't know him. So chark built and designed the 1142 01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:27,440 sound and the stage and everything over at basement east 1143 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,340 with grimy Gotcha. But chark also did cannery mercy, high 1144 01:03:31,340 --> 01:03:33,560 watt and several other venues. So 1145 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,980 he's a total venue entrepreneur, 1146 01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:43,240 and he is, you can ask him any question about any band, and he 1147 01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:44,920 can give you all the details. He's 1148 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,640 that guy. He's that guy. So he's a student and fan of the genre 1149 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:49,360 Absolutely, 1150 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,920 and he's a killer guitar player too. Shark, yep, something. 1151 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,000 Hopefully doesn't listen 1152 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,120 to this and go red man, you're an asshole. I met you two years 1153 01:03:58,180 --> 01:04:00,840 ago, like, but I don't know well, he still might call you an 1154 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,600 asshole either way. But yeah, I mean, I get, I'm sure I'm being 1155 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,800 called things as we speak. So well, that's great, man, man. 1156 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,260 And so you guys have got this thing, and so where you kind of 1157 01:04:10,260 --> 01:04:12,540 like, lift each other up, and you got this three headed Hydra, 1158 01:04:12,540 --> 01:04:13,740 you know, and 1159 01:04:13,740 --> 01:04:17,820 then you've also got, I've got to give a major shout out Jared 1160 01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:20,960 Pope, because he's actually, he's the drummer for 1161 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,080 the rising role residency. Yeah, who did do some work with 1162 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,700 Thompson square? Yep, he was 1163 01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:28,400 with Thompson square for a while. Brother Kane whiskey 1164 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:33,680 falls Tom Kiefer's drummer, yeah, for years now. Jared, 1165 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,980 what's up? Man, we'll get you in here. Damon Johnson, we had 1166 01:04:36,980 --> 01:04:41,440 David Johnson early. Okay, yeah, yeah. Man, Jared killer, too. 1167 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:46,720 Man, total rocker, but Vinny chops, oh, nice, like, yeah, 1168 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,320 he's a bad dude. Nice, yeah. What's up? Jared? Whoo, we'll do 1169 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,080 the thing. Man, yeah. So who else dude? 1170 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,420 Funny stories here, 1171 01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,920 ace, I guess I mean, Ace is a character. Come on. 1172 01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:07,140 Yeah, anybody that's ever been around ace can do aces voice, 1173 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,500 it's like that guy, but like a serious, Long Island accent. 1174 01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,300 Yeah, deep. He's 1175 01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:16,260 from the Bronx. He's Bronx 1176 01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:20,360 boy tuxedo junction in Connecticut all the time. Yeah, 1177 01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,500 and buddies of mine, the guy I told you about, Billy Willie, 1178 01:05:24,980 --> 01:05:28,340 yeah, yeah. They used to go see him all the time and do the 1179 01:05:28,340 --> 01:05:30,500 exact things that we're doing now, kind of, yeah, mimicking 1180 01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:33,260 them and stuff like that. He's greatly comet. Fraley's 1181 01:05:33,260 --> 01:05:38,840 Comet, yeah, with Anton, yeah. But yeah, we were in Japan with 1182 01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:43,780 ace. We did three nights in Tokyo double shows, and then a 1183 01:05:43,780 --> 01:05:48,940 night in Osaka double show. And so the last night in Tokyo, we 1184 01:05:48,940 --> 01:05:53,620 had finished the final performance there. And, you 1185 01:05:53,620 --> 01:05:56,620 know, Ace is all over the place. I've got one of those Gene 1186 01:05:56,620 --> 01:05:59,440 Simmons vaults, because we had just played with gene in 1187 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,700 Australia. And Ace opened, and then he would come out at the 1188 01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:06,540 end of the night, and we were the band for both gene and Ace. 1189 01:06:06,540 --> 01:06:10,680 Yeah, myself, Phil s, Jeremy asbrook, and Ryan cook. What's 1190 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:17,940 up, Ryan? So I get this 40 pound wooden box full of all these 1191 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:22,760 unreleased CDs of demos and stuff, fly it to Japan, because 1192 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,580 there's no way I can ship it home, and it's cheaper just to 1193 01:06:25,580 --> 01:06:31,220 pay the extra baggage fee. So I've got it backstage last 1194 01:06:31,220 --> 01:06:34,700 night, and Ace sees it and goes, Oh, what's that? I go, Oh, it's, 1195 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,740 you know, Gene's vault. You want me to sign it? And I go, Yeah, 1196 01:06:39,740 --> 01:06:44,620 man, that'd be great. This is great. I roll it over and Gene 1197 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,480 when he would, when you'd purchase one, he would sign the 1198 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,180 top of it and do this little meet and greet and stuff. Well, 1199 01:06:52,180 --> 01:06:55,840 mine was a gimme from the record label. You know, hey, we've got 1200 01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:01,080 some extra ones. And I pestered the rep long enough there. He's 1201 01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:05,340 like, here, I don't want to ship this home. You take it so a sees 1202 01:07:05,340 --> 01:07:09,840 it, and he goes, Oh, Gene didn't sign it. I go, No, Gene doesn't 1203 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,660 know I have it. And it goes, good for you. Don't give him any 1204 01:07:12,660 --> 01:07:13,920 more money. 1205 01:07:14,940 --> 01:07:18,240 Those guys are like, still, yeah, right. They love each 1206 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:18,660 other, but 1207 01:07:18,660 --> 01:07:21,440 it's still they got to give each other crap, knowing full well, 1208 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,540 could probably come back to him. So gene 1209 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,740 you know or so ace signs the whole thing you know, Keith 1210 01:07:27,740 --> 01:07:32,540 LaRue, who you know works like day to day, Paul Stanley's guy. 1211 01:07:32,540 --> 01:07:35,840 But he also is their official photographer with Kiss. He runs 1212 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,740 the website, does the contest, conventions, all this stuff. 1213 01:07:40,340 --> 01:07:44,500 Awesome dude. He's asking ace. He goes, acety, you have Oh 1214 01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:47,920 yeah, jank, I made one of these. Have you listened to it yet? 1215 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:54,820 Listen to what the box set the vault. It's a box 1216 01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:57,220 ace. There's 10 DS and 10 1217 01:07:57,220 --> 01:08:01,740 discs in there. Why the hell do I want to listen to his crap he 1218 01:08:01,740 --> 01:08:10,140 didn't put out like just die and laugh. And so ace signs it. We 1219 01:08:10,140 --> 01:08:12,840 all say, you know, good night, because the next day, we're 1220 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:18,960 flying to Osaka, packing our bags, and ACE has decided that 1221 01:08:19,020 --> 01:08:22,400 this band is going to go on the kiss cruise in a couple months. 1222 01:08:22,580 --> 01:08:26,240 And so ace is leaving. He goes, All right, fellas, we'll see on 1223 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,960 the cruise. And I go, No ace, we'll see you at the airport 1224 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:34,220 tomorrow. And he goes, what? I go, we'll see you tomorrow 1225 01:08:34,220 --> 01:08:37,700 morning at the airport. We have two shows in Osaka tomorrow 1226 01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:43,780 night, sold out. And he goes, Wow, we'll figure it out. So 1227 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:44,320 wait, 1228 01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,979 so you're cool enough there to figure out he wouldn't mind you 1229 01:08:50,979 --> 01:08:52,599 doing this impersonation. No, 1230 01:08:52,660 --> 01:08:57,400 okay, any anybody that knows ace Does he still ace is great. I 1231 01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:02,460 see anytime. No, he's been clean and sober, probably like 15 1232 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:03,120 years good 1233 01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:07,499 for him, yeah. Now gene and gene never touched a thing that is 1234 01:09:07,499 --> 01:09:08,279 insane. I 1235 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:12,300 think the only time that gene ever got messed up he there was 1236 01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:17,280 some after party early on in the kiss, days like pre destroyer, 1237 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,720 you know, first two or three records, it was an after party 1238 01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,480 or something like that. And there's jeans. Have got a major 1239 01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:27,920 sweet tooth. Ah, that's his thing, sugar. There's two trays 1240 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,940 of brownies. Oh no, yeah, hot brownies. One's fully leaded, 1241 01:09:31,940 --> 01:09:34,880 the other one's unleaded. Well, he starts digging into the 1242 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,960 fully, you can't eat the full. And he apparently had to ride 1243 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:44,860 that out for a long time. Yes, yeah. But according to him, 1244 01:09:44,860 --> 01:09:47,080 that's, that's the only time he's ever been messed up. 1245 01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,540 What a businessman and were those guys? Are those guys like 1246 01:09:49,540 --> 01:09:52,420 task masters to work for? Are they pretty much like you guys? 1247 01:09:52,420 --> 01:09:54,340 Sound great. We'll see you at the gig. Done. Gene 1248 01:09:54,340 --> 01:09:59,200 was great. Gene was totally you guys are the band. You guys know 1249 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,880 what you're doing. You're great, awesome. I had a blast with 1250 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,900 Gene, yeah, like from day one, because Eric Singer is a good 1251 01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:09,420 friend of mine. Yeah, I was gonna ask you, if you ever met 1252 01:10:09,420 --> 01:10:12,120 Eric. Oh, yeah, yeah. We text all the time North Hollywood 1253 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,180 guy, right? Yeah. He's, uh, Vegas now. Oh, in Vegas. Okay. 1254 01:10:15,300 --> 01:10:21,260 Oh, really, yeah. So Eric really that that may, that, in May of 1255 01:10:21,260 --> 01:10:27,140 that year, was at a we were at a kiss convention, and Brent Fitz 1256 01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:30,980 was on the gig. He was, he was Jean's guy. Love Brent, but 1257 01:10:30,980 --> 01:10:35,060 slash was getting ready to go out and do the thing again solo. 1258 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:42,160 And that's his gig. That's his money maker. So Eric goes, dude, 1259 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,040 Christopher, why don't you do the gig? You know, all the 1260 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,380 stuff, it's perfect for you. Why aren't you on the gig? And I go, 1261 01:10:47,380 --> 01:10:52,000 Well, if you know Ryan and the guys call me, Sure, great. Like, 1262 01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:55,120 you know, initially I was supposed to do the gig and I was 1263 01:10:55,120 --> 01:11:01,800 on tour with accept, you know, whoa is me. Yeah. So, yeah, then 1264 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,460 that came about for doing the gig. But Eric said, you know, 1265 01:11:05,940 --> 01:11:09,120 when you work with Gene right out of the gate, just bust his 1266 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,480 balls. Oh, he likes that. And I was like, No, I can't, man, 1267 01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:15,660 that's, that's the dude, that's the demon. I can't do that. And 1268 01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:19,320 he goes, No, trust me, do it or he's gonna walk all over you. 1269 01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,540 He'll respect the hell out of you for it. So he the first gig 1270 01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:27,320 we did. Gene walks into the dressing room, sees the other 1271 01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:31,760 guys. He doesn't know me yet, and, you know, I've got the long 1272 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,060 hair down and everything. And he's like, hey, guys dotted Oh, 1273 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,920 Jesus, so good for you to join us. And I go, behold, bu, I have 1274 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,540 risen just for you. And he goes, Ah, you know, you're one of us, 1275 01:11:43,540 --> 01:11:46,960 right? Meaning Jesus are Jewish and everything. And I go, Yeah, 1276 01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:52,000 him, but me, not so much. Booby, you know? And immediately, just 1277 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,820 the rest of the night just started ripping each other, 1278 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:59,140 great. And then from then on, traveling through airports, he 1279 01:11:59,140 --> 01:12:03,360 enjoys that. Oh, yeah, he's a practical joker. Ah, Eric is 1280 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,960 too. Eric's like, they just constantly mess with, yeah, 1281 01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,620 yeah, a slapstick and stuff, you know. I mean, if you ever left 1282 01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:16,560 your coffee around gene, he's like, you paid $5 for a cup of 1283 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:20,780 coffee and left it sitting there, and he would just dump a 1284 01:12:20,780 --> 01:12:25,700 bunch of salt in it, you know. Look at this, you know, like 1285 01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:29,960 Gene always keeps his phone tucked down into his boot, yeah, 1286 01:12:30,260 --> 01:12:35,480 and then puts the leather pants over the boot, and he goes, Look 1287 01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:41,440 at this. This is a $1,200 hand computer, and people just leave 1288 01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:45,400 them laying around. But Paul walks into a room and just sets 1289 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,880 it down, as well as the keys to his Porsche, and walks off. 1290 01:12:49,660 --> 01:12:53,800 Somebody could just take the you're like, You got a point? 1291 01:12:53,980 --> 01:12:56,560 Yeah, he's not a point. Why does he put in his back pocket? It's 1292 01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,380 harder to answer if it's tucked into your boot. Leather pants. 1293 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,020 Gotcha tight leathers. Tight leather pants. I got my tight 1294 01:13:04,020 --> 01:13:06,600 pants. I got my tight pants on. 1295 01:13:07,740 --> 01:13:10,440 Now you see the leather pants, don't you? Well, 1296 01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:14,760 yeah, Gene was a blast to two are with man. He was absolute, 1297 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,700 and he's a gentleman too, believe it or not, yeah, believe 1298 01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:20,180 it or not. He's a really, really good dude. And, 1299 01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:22,820 well, that's great to hear. And then how did this accept thing 1300 01:13:22,820 --> 01:13:25,220 come along and give me the history of accept? Because I 1301 01:13:25,220 --> 01:13:28,160 know that. You know the I know that you've got your balls to 1302 01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:32,600 the wall 1983 which was like a year or two before you were 1303 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:37,040 born, and now you're playing with this band, right? So that's 1304 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:37,220 my 1305 01:13:37,220 --> 01:13:40,600 ball buster, by the way, because I'm the youngest in the band by 1306 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,640 10 years. Yeah, so. But 1307 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,980 I mean, is it the original singer, the original guitar 1308 01:13:44,980 --> 01:13:47,380 player? Like, what? What is made up of Wolf's the 1309 01:13:47,380 --> 01:13:49,180 last original dude that's there, 1310 01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,940 Mark turnello from TT quick marks, been there since 2009 1311 01:13:55,660 --> 01:13:59,320 when they reformed the band after about 1015, years. 1312 01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,580 Is that the singer the original guy? Yeah, look like, turn the 1313 01:14:02,580 --> 01:14:07,140 oil. So Joy Z boy, yeah. So he's the original fellow, Sparky, 1314 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,440 yeah, the way union guy. So it's becoming, 1315 01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:13,620 um, sort of a foreigner, 1316 01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,480 kind of a there's only one original member that's was 1317 01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:21,320 either Mick or Lou, yeah, and then everybody else's side, 1318 01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:22,220 guys, yeah, yeah, 1319 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:28,040 pretty much, yeah. With the exception of, though, Mark, when 1320 01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:32,120 he joined the band, they put out a record called Blood of the 1321 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,660 nations, yeah, which still to this day is one of their biggest 1322 01:14:35,660 --> 01:14:40,160 sellers, really and completely reshaped the sound of the band, 1323 01:14:40,220 --> 01:14:46,600 yeah. So it went from, you know, the Udo type vocals, so now 1324 01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:50,860 you've got a guy that can still do all that, but this guttural, 1325 01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,480 powerful just 1326 01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,000 is that you're drumming in the blood of the nations. 1327 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:59,800 No, I joined. I joined midway through the blind rage tour. 1328 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,920 First studio record was rise of chaos. Then we did too mean to 1329 01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:09,060 die at my place. And then we did humanoid, which is the record we 1330 01:15:09,060 --> 01:15:11,160 just finished the touring cycle on. Okay, 1331 01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:13,920 so those years are so I can look them 1332 01:15:14,940 --> 01:15:22,880 up. Let's see. Rise of chaos was 2017, to mean to die, came out 1333 01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:31,640 January of 21 I think. And humanoid was 24 nice. And then 1334 01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:37,100 there's two, I think it's two. Might be three. No, yeah, 1335 01:15:37,460 --> 01:15:42,040 there's definitely two live albums I'm on. We did a record 1336 01:15:42,100 --> 01:15:47,920 that came out early 2017 called restless and live, 1337 01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:52,120 live record, yep. So how did you guys? Was it truly live, like 1338 01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,240 you didn't touch it? Did you just like a mobile recording? 1339 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,140 Here's the set. 1340 01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,680 So, pretty much, yeah. I 1341 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,040 mean, you have the technology. If you want to tune a vocal a 1342 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:03,480 little bit, you should the vocal, 1343 01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:04,980 all that stuff was there, yeah, 1344 01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:10,740 minor stuff, if a guitar was out. We did a festival in 2015 1345 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:15,240 in balling in Germany called bang your head, yeah? So when 1346 01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:19,500 you get restless and live, you get the DVD of that show. That 1347 01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:24,680 thing's Full Tilt, yeah, the audio from that, because there's 1348 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,820 one moment where there's this giant, long catwalk, this big 1349 01:16:28,820 --> 01:16:33,020 thrust going into the audience. Peter baltis and Wolf are out on 1350 01:16:33,020 --> 01:16:35,660 the end of it. Peter's the original bass player who's no 1351 01:16:35,660 --> 01:16:40,420 longer with the band. Peter and Wolf are out there jamming, and 1352 01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,840 Wolf turns around and heads back because, you know, we got to 1353 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,620 sing. And Peter just jams a little bit too long and realizes 1354 01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:53,680 it last minute. No, there's about four steps going down from 1355 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,980 the main stage level to the thrust, and Peter's up there in 1356 01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:02,520 in shit kickers and cowboy boots, runs like the wind to get 1357 01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:08,520 back up and caught the tip of his boot on the top step at 1358 01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:14,820 stage level, face planted, slid all the way up to the riser on 1359 01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:20,240 his base, and then just sat up on his knees and threw his Hands 1360 01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:20,660 up, 1361 01:17:20,780 --> 01:17:22,940 like I meant to do that. If 1362 01:17:22,940 --> 01:17:25,940 you watch the DVD, I don't remember what song that happened 1363 01:17:25,940 --> 01:17:30,080 in, but if you watch that DVD, you'll see it shows Peter on the 1364 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:34,160 catwalk. I think it cuts the wall for Mark, then it cuts to 1365 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,380 me, and I'm dying. 1366 01:17:37,580 --> 01:17:41,920 I am just in tears. And every time he wasn't, he wasn't hurt. 1367 01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:42,700 No, he was 1368 01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:46,360 fine, and everybody else is in tears. But the crazy thing was, 1369 01:17:46,540 --> 01:17:49,060 he got up and his base was still in tune. 1370 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:53,440 Amazing. Oh, wow. So did you hear it like, oh yeah, 1371 01:17:53,500 --> 01:17:56,260 oh yeah. So we cut that part out, yeah, we fixed that, 1372 01:17:58,180 --> 01:18:01,140 yeah. But amazingly enough, it stayed playing. But 1373 01:18:01,140 --> 01:18:05,580 then there's also, there's two CDs that come with it, which is 1374 01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:10,980 live audio board tapes from the full year. So it was like, I 1375 01:18:10,980 --> 01:18:14,340 think there was a show or two in Russia that we recorded that 1376 01:18:14,340 --> 01:18:16,740 year. There's some stuff in Greece. There's stuff throughout 1377 01:18:16,740 --> 01:18:20,480 Europe, South America, maybe all kinds of stuff. So it's, cool. 1378 01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:26,780 So that's restless. And live from 2017 and then in 20 later, 1379 01:18:26,780 --> 01:18:32,780 2017 we headlined the vaak festival in Germany. So that's 1380 01:18:32,780 --> 01:18:37,280 the biggest heavy metal festival in the world. Wow. It's 1381 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:42,640 something like over four or five days, it's 300 bands or 1382 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,640 something like that. Distortion, the main, the 1383 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:49,360 then, when you ran into anvil, the story of anvil, yeah, one of 1384 01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:49,540 them, 1385 01:18:51,100 --> 01:18:54,040 the main. And it's one of these where they do, you know, Europe 1386 01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:56,860 has its stuff together when it comes to festivals. They know 1387 01:18:56,860 --> 01:19:01,560 what they're doing. Two giant main stage, stages right beside 1388 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,220 each other, and what they call the infield. So that's the main 1389 01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:11,520 big act headliner. Stage, 85,000 people in the field beyond that 1390 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:16,980 barricade, though you have all the like elevated platforms that 1391 01:19:16,980 --> 01:19:20,180 can hold a handful of 1000s, and they're scattered all over the 1392 01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:25,220 place, plus their delay towers in the other field at different 1393 01:19:25,220 --> 01:19:30,020 stages, whatever bands not playing on that stage, they're 1394 01:19:30,020 --> 01:19:36,020 streaming the live one the main stage we played when we 1395 01:19:36,020 --> 01:19:38,480 headlined. We did it with the Czech National Symphony 1396 01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:43,240 Orchestra, full on 60 piece orchestra. Wow. Bombs fire. The 1397 01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:47,260 whole deal. 85,000 people in the field. Over a million people 1398 01:19:47,260 --> 01:19:50,260 live streamed it, and it was simulcast in seven different 1399 01:19:50,260 --> 01:19:56,440 countries. It's amazing. And my mom and my now wife, yeah, you 1400 01:19:56,440 --> 01:19:57,640 know, were there to witness it. 1401 01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,360 So that was cool. Hey, tell us about that. That COVID. Going to 1402 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,880 get your Musk off the show. So 1403 01:20:03,420 --> 01:20:08,820 my wife, Ainsley, is an artist rock and roll Americana, but she 1404 01:20:08,820 --> 01:20:12,360 also has a company called ainslie's essential blends, 1405 01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,320 where she does all natural cleaning products, smells and 1406 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:21,500 you name it. And we came up with this. It's a roll on scent for 1407 01:20:21,500 --> 01:20:25,220 him and her called Rock See, he's breaking the fourth 1408 01:20:25,220 --> 01:20:28,160 wall now, yes, yeah, leather 1409 01:20:28,220 --> 01:20:28,580 tits. 1410 01:20:29,900 --> 01:20:32,300 It smells like leather. And I 1411 01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:36,380 joke, I said, just because you look like a rock star doesn't 1412 01:20:36,380 --> 01:20:39,500 mean you have to smell like one or no, just because you party 1413 01:20:39,500 --> 01:20:41,860 like a rock star doesn't mean you should smell like one, ah, 1414 01:20:41,860 --> 01:20:45,520 it's great. But, yeah, it's, it's leather and and a bit of 1415 01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,880 musk, but it's soft enough to where, you know you smell it on 1416 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,740 a woman like, Oh, hey. Well, 1417 01:20:50,740 --> 01:20:54,400 how do you get a leathers? How do you get a scent of leather 1418 01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,560 into a bottle? Talk 1419 01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,980 to her. She knows all that magic. I don't think she's gonna 1420 01:20:59,980 --> 01:21:03,000 divulge details that's incredible. Is there a website 1421 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,540 or anything? Ainsley central blends.com? There we go, look 1422 01:21:06,540 --> 01:21:10,200 into the camera and say it now, ainslie's essential blends.com. 1423 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:15,120 Now say it 1424 01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,840 this, ainslie's essential blends.com. 1425 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,660 That's right, rock and roll on yes 1426 01:21:24,860 --> 01:21:26,720 for him, and 1427 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,580 yeah, dude, we even made, we made a cheesy commercial because 1428 01:21:31,580 --> 01:21:34,520 we make fun of, like the perfume and cologne commercials all the 1429 01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,120 time, like so dramatic like the one where Johnny Depp buries his 1430 01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,200 damn jewelry in the desert and a wolf house. What does that have 1431 01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:46,420 to do with a Sauvage? Sauvage, yeah, or, like, the sausage, 1432 01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:50,560 what's her name, walking through, like, the Egyptian 1433 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:55,300 temple, and Joe del deal, yeah, 1434 01:21:55,900 --> 01:21:59,560 yeah, Natalie Portman, you know, yeah, all that stuff, yeah. 1435 01:21:59,860 --> 01:22:02,040 I so we're like, man, 1436 01:22:03,060 --> 01:22:07,320 let's just get silly. We'll make one of those, and we'll both dub 1437 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,140 the voices, and I'll do the super low, sexy, 1438 01:22:12,060 --> 01:22:15,180 and we'll just make it as silly as possible. But it 1439 01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:17,580 works, yeah, man, that's like, get remind you ever see the hype 1440 01:22:17,580 --> 01:22:21,200 reels of certain you know, like, do you follow any of these like 1441 01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:26,840 gurus online now? No, so Well, okay, I'll look at cats Cafe is 1442 01:22:26,900 --> 01:22:30,500 thought leader. Thought Leadership type of videos. I 1443 01:22:30,500 --> 01:22:34,340 follow a lot of these guys. And they'll do these things where 1444 01:22:34,340 --> 01:22:38,120 everything's in slow mo. They'll have the the car, the Porsche, 1445 01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,140 will pull up and the the door opens slowly, and they're 1446 01:22:41,140 --> 01:22:43,840 getting out and putting the sunglasses on for some reason, 1447 01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,420 and then going to their and, you know, and they're going to their 1448 01:22:46,420 --> 01:22:49,960 private everything, slow mo. And it's just life, man, this is 1449 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,020 just, this is just me every day. And it's like, I want to make 1450 01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:56,380 one where I'm doing the same exact thing, looking how I look, 1451 01:22:56,740 --> 01:23:01,440 getting out of my banged up 2008 Honda Odyssey. And just, you 1452 01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:05,700 know, if you want to learn more about success, follow Jim, 1453 01:23:05,700 --> 01:23:06,360 that's really 1454 01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:07,860 funny. There's one out there, 1455 01:23:09,180 --> 01:23:13,080 you know, the the like Russian blonde with the Bentley, or 1456 01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:17,100 whatever, scratching like the ASMR AMS, whatever that thing 1457 01:23:17,580 --> 01:23:21,200 is, she's like scraping her nails across the grill and bent 1458 01:23:21,260 --> 01:23:29,360 le, flicking, you know, the hood ornament, bent le. There's been 1459 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,180 so many parodies of that where somebody comes up and, like, 1460 01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,000 knocks on the hubcap and 1461 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:40,040 goes or slams the door. 1462 01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:46,720 Yeah. Like the knockoff of a Honda. Man, yeah, hey, they came 1463 01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,900 a long way. Man, yeah. Man, Kia, so you got C Williams, 1464 01:23:49,900 --> 01:23:53,620 drums.com, for people to reach out to you, and you guys got to 1465 01:23:53,620 --> 01:23:54,700 tour this year, right? 1466 01:23:54,940 --> 01:23:56,860 Yeah, we actually accept worldwide.com 1467 01:23:57,460 --> 01:23:58,600 Yep, except worldwide.com/tour 1468 01:24:02,440 --> 01:24:06,000 beautiful. I gotta say, I'm looking at the website now, and 1469 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,720 you guys look so metal. You're not gonna bruise, you're gonna 1470 01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:13,380 rust. Well, you know what? The the rule of heavy metal photos 1471 01:24:13,380 --> 01:24:14,220 is, smoke 1472 01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,700 back lighting, and you're not really you're missing. You're 1473 01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:20,040 missing all of it. I'm but I'm this is what I'm seeing. I'm 1474 01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,820 describing what I'm seeing. You're not really smiling, but 1475 01:24:22,820 --> 01:24:26,000 you're not grimacing or looking mean at me. You're kind of 1476 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,160 smirking. All of you guys are kind of like, like, you're 1477 01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:29,180 almost crazy, where 1478 01:24:29,180 --> 01:24:32,120 the Phil likes to joke that we're the happiest metal band in 1479 01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:33,620 the world. Yeah, that's great. And I love the 1480 01:24:33,620 --> 01:24:36,860 fact that you're not holding drumsticks, yeah, you know, 1481 01:24:36,860 --> 01:24:39,440 because that it's like, I just want to make sure that, you 1482 01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:42,940 know, I'm the drummer. Yeah, those in shirt and the fact that 1483 01:24:42,940 --> 01:24:47,380 you also have a font that has a voice Sabi on it, well, it's not 1484 01:24:47,380 --> 01:24:48,700 like that. It's more like 1485 01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,760 except is a German heavy metal band 1486 01:24:56,740 --> 01:25:00,300 with legendary impact and an iconic reputation. Nation 1487 01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:03,300 spanning over four decades. You too can get 1488 01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:11,040 your thoughts to the proverbial wall, yeah, 1489 01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,880 but that's it has that voice. It's like a Trajan font. I want 1490 01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:15,780 to say, but I was going 1491 01:25:15,780 --> 01:25:19,920 to say the most important part about taking photos with a heavy 1492 01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:25,400 metal band, the the underlying, unspoken rule, first one that 1493 01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,980 smiles gets kicked in the nuts, 1494 01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,500 really? Yeah, no smiling. This is working. You have to look 1495 01:25:30,500 --> 01:25:32,960 like you're holding a secret. You're 1496 01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,120 holding you, or you just have to go full on. But 1497 01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:40,100 it's really, it's really hard to get a great press shot for so 1498 01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:41,440 many drinks, my last 1499 01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:44,860 beer, right? Did I just it's like, you know, did I just drink 1500 01:25:44,860 --> 01:25:47,500 piss? Yeah, because that the look. 1501 01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,640 It's like, you can't be by the railroad tracks, you can't be in 1502 01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,080 the alley or against the 1503 01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,060 brick wall. Skid Row already did all. It's like, Are 1504 01:25:55,060 --> 01:25:57,820 you guys familiar with the building in Chattanooga? You 1505 01:25:57,820 --> 01:26:01,620 guys familiar with Chattanooga? Yeah, that's the multi like, as 1506 01:26:01,620 --> 01:26:04,560 you make the curd the cover on the river, it's on the right 1507 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,440 side. They're destroying it now. But every time I drive by it, 1508 01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:09,780 I'm like, That's a perfect place for a heavy metal video. Yeah, 1509 01:26:09,780 --> 01:26:13,680 perfect. Yeah, just an old run down industrial mill. Windows 1510 01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:13,740 are 1511 01:26:13,740 --> 01:26:19,020 broken somewhere in Franklin. There's a building like that 1512 01:26:19,020 --> 01:26:23,000 that actually is a photo shoot place where they've actually 1513 01:26:23,060 --> 01:26:26,420 curved the bottom of the wall and painted it solid white so 1514 01:26:26,420 --> 01:26:29,660 they don't have to hang the fabric. Oh, really. We did a 1515 01:26:29,660 --> 01:26:34,040 video shoot in there, like as a promo release. When UVA and I 1516 01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:39,320 joined the band in 2015 we just did a half of a song called fall 1517 01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:43,060 of the Empire. We did that there, and we did the all the 1518 01:26:43,060 --> 01:26:45,100 press photos there as well. 1519 01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,160 What's a music video? Come to think of it, now that we're 1520 01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:52,180 we're getting visually descriptive, like, for some 1521 01:26:52,180 --> 01:26:57,340 reason I'm thinking like the old war for territories video from 1522 01:26:57,340 --> 01:27:00,280 Sepultura. What's the one that kind of resonates in your mind 1523 01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,940 as a favorite that kind of inspired you as a drummer, 1524 01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:06,000 because, I mean, Igor was a freaking beast. You mean? Video, 1525 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,480 yeah, I don't, you know. I don't know. Well, odd question. The 1526 01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:14,040 one that sticks out when I think like metal. Video, just the 1527 01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,880 overall look and theme was Skid Row monkey business, great, 1528 01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,660 where baz is standing out on the railroad tracks, and then 1529 01:27:20,660 --> 01:27:21,500 they're jamming. How 1530 01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,780 about rat? Bobby, blots are round and round. Funny. Well, 1531 01:27:26,780 --> 01:27:27,260 even 1532 01:27:27,500 --> 01:27:34,640 blots is like the king of the Doom. Lay it down. I want to 1533 01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,640 bring that groove back, dude. It'd be good missing that. Bring 1534 01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,900 that back. But yeah, the shuffle, the mega, massive, 1535 01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:44,860 iconic one for me as a kid, was wild side Motley, oh yeah, 1536 01:27:44,980 --> 01:27:48,100 watching that and the drums, and just like I like 1537 01:27:48,100 --> 01:27:50,800 that shout at the devil video, because the girls are just so 1538 01:27:50,860 --> 01:27:54,280 ready to go and looks. I was, I was like, I was like, a, you 1539 01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:58,120 know, a horny pubescent teen. I was like, Oh my gosh, she does 1540 01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:58,240 have 1541 01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:01,560 the looks that kill and she's crawling over the rock 1542 01:28:01,740 --> 01:28:04,860 King Bell being Bing bell. 1543 01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,400 And I love it that he actually hit a bell. The clock strikes 1544 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:13,020 midnight, even though the bells this big dude, Tommy. 1545 01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:15,720 Tommy is just such a rock. He's 1546 01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,540 such a drazor monster. Another 1547 01:28:18,540 --> 01:28:21,920 cool story born to be a rock. So, you know, they always say, 1548 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,920 don't meet your heroes and everything. And for years and 1549 01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,940 years, like Tommy's top five for me, I 1550 01:28:28,940 --> 01:28:32,180 was gonna ask you, so he's in the top five, who? What's the 1551 01:28:32,180 --> 01:28:33,380 what's the list? Tommy 1552 01:28:33,380 --> 01:28:38,540 Lee, Randy, Castillo, Jerry Shirley, uh, Bonzo, of course. 1553 01:28:39,980 --> 01:28:43,780 And then probably Vinnie, because you just have to Vinny 1554 01:28:43,780 --> 01:28:47,920 Collier, Vinnie Paul. I mean, Paul's in there, but if you're 1555 01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:52,660 talking about top five that have, like, shaped me, it's 1556 01:28:52,660 --> 01:28:53,620 those dudes about 1557 01:28:53,620 --> 01:28:57,760 that Joe's Garage record. Brother, oh, let me so we don't 1558 01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,440 go down either. What 1559 01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:07,740 is the Lars hate justified? Do you think? I mean, he's not. I 1560 01:29:07,740 --> 01:29:11,340 mean, back when I used to listen to them, like pre Black Album, 1561 01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:14,580 and even the documentary they did, he was solid, man, is he 1562 01:29:14,580 --> 01:29:16,560 just kind of phoning it in. Now he thinker, 1563 01:29:16,620 --> 01:29:20,420 no, I mean, it's just his meter. You know, that's the thing. Like 1564 01:29:20,420 --> 01:29:24,200 his drum parts are solid, right? He's great in that, but it's, 1565 01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:28,700 it's just his meter. Everybody bags on, which, you know is 1566 01:29:28,700 --> 01:29:33,560 true, but there's no Metallica without him, right? He's the 1567 01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:37,940 brainchild, yes, both he and James, but Lars probably more. 1568 01:29:37,940 --> 01:29:40,900 So yeah, is the driving force and 1569 01:29:40,900 --> 01:29:42,940 a spokesman for the band, absolutely, 1570 01:29:43,180 --> 01:29:44,620 he's the business guy too, 1571 01:29:45,100 --> 01:29:47,680 you know, and it's, he's the gene Absolutely, 1572 01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:48,280 isn't it funny 1573 01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,160 that, as drummers, usually have some sort of second, third or 1574 01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,880 fourth, hustle, slash skills, something else that we bring to 1575 01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,540 the band, whether it be like our marketing or our socials or our 1576 01:29:58,660 --> 01:30:02,640 graphic design or. Or something, you know. Voice, absolutely. 1577 01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:03,540 VoiceOver, 1578 01:30:03,540 --> 01:30:07,860 well, the thing with about Lars is the fact that I think he he's 1579 01:30:07,860 --> 01:30:11,280 got to be aware of, you know, with social media roasting and 1580 01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:12,420 stuff like that, he's letting 1581 01:30:12,420 --> 01:30:13,140 him all the way to the 1582 01:30:13,140 --> 01:30:16,620 bank. Does he care? He still takes it? Well, 1583 01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:20,840 the pool, I get it, having a cocktail, I 1584 01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,540 know, but you still, there's got to be a level of where, you 1585 01:30:23,540 --> 01:30:26,840 know, it kind of stings, but he takes it, at least on the 1586 01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,720 surface, he's a good sport about it. You know, you got to give 1587 01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,240 him that, yeah, I'm sure, you know, yeah. Because, I mean, you 1588 01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,820 see him on stage, he's pulling kids out of the audience, 1589 01:30:34,820 --> 01:30:37,340 letting them sit with them. It's, that's cool, man. I mean, 1590 01:30:37,340 --> 01:30:38,720 I don't have to do that. And 1591 01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:42,400 the other thing too, is, like, think about it, and in this 1592 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:48,640 sense, Tama drums, he single handedly, drove the ship for 1593 01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:52,060 them, and still does realistically, like, you know 1594 01:30:52,060 --> 01:30:56,260 how many 10s of 1000s or hundreds of 1000s of drum sets 1595 01:30:56,260 --> 01:30:58,600 that guy's probably sold because company, he is 1596 01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:03,360 kind of like the Ringo star of that brand. Because, I mean, 1597 01:31:03,480 --> 01:31:06,780 sure, you love Billy cotton, you love Simon Phillips, you love 1598 01:31:06,780 --> 01:31:09,900 Kenny Aronoff. They, they might sell some Stuart Copeland, but 1599 01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:11,520 like Lars. Lars, 1600 01:31:11,580 --> 01:31:15,780 yeah, he's the back in the 80s, it was the two top, the Pepsi 1601 01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:19,740 and Coke, if you will, were tama and Pearl. You remember back, 1602 01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,780 that's what I got into. Yeah, yep. Pearl was my first entry 1603 01:31:23,780 --> 01:31:26,180 into brand new drums, yeah, man. And then you 1604 01:31:26,180 --> 01:31:30,560 had Ludwig. Was Ludwig was 70, somewhere in there, trying to 1605 01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,840 compete, but they had 1606 01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:37,880 a big presence in the 70s thanks to Zeppelin. You know, Neil was 1607 01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:42,220 a Slingerland guy at first. Then he went to Tama he went to tam 1608 01:31:42,220 --> 01:31:47,560 two. And then, of course, you had Alex playing Ludwig gene. 1609 01:31:48,460 --> 01:31:48,820 Alex 1610 01:31:48,820 --> 01:31:51,100 was always Tama hardware too. Well. I thought 1611 01:31:51,100 --> 01:31:53,440 he was playing, I remember reading an article with him. He 1612 01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:56,740 played ghost bass drum pedals. And I've always wanted to look 1613 01:31:56,740 --> 01:31:57,700 those up. Those were 1614 01:31:57,700 --> 01:32:02,280 the tama pedals. Were they idea? I think those were the the, if 1615 01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,880 I'm not mistaken, I I've got a pair of Stefan Kaufman's old 1616 01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,780 Tama pedals, really, where it's, you know, it's that 70s design 1617 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:15,120 strap, leather strap, yeah, but it's, but the spring assembly is 1618 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,100 actually going up, and it's, 1619 01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,480 oh, yeah, but you're not going to Ludwig for hardware. Let's 1620 01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:20,900 face it, 1621 01:32:21,140 --> 01:32:24,140 no, well, not back then anyway, yeah, the Alice stuff's pretty 1622 01:32:24,140 --> 01:32:28,760 solid. But, I mean, he was all Ludwig drums, but as soon as 1623 01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:31,640 they started making some cash, it was Tama hardware, and that's 1624 01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,880 where the octa bands came in, the bombs. Well, Tama was also 1625 01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:36,200 the rosewood snare. Did you 1626 01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:40,100 say Stuart Copeland? Yeah, okay, yeah. Because he's the one who 1627 01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:43,420 kind of brought that to the forefront too. And Tama became 1628 01:32:43,420 --> 01:32:46,900 aligned with being, well, Kenny Aronoff was a Tama 1629 01:32:46,900 --> 01:32:51,700 guy. But what's cool though, that a lot of people overlook, 1630 01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,820 you know, Stuart gets the credit for the octo bonds or whatever. 1631 01:32:54,820 --> 01:32:57,760 It's actually Billy Cobham really. COVID was the very first 1632 01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:01,440 one in the 70s to have the gong drum and the octagons. And they 1633 01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:04,500 were the acrylic ones. Those were the first ones for the 1634 01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:06,240 clear acrylic tubes. He's got 1635 01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,880 the history of drums right here, man, hey, I tell you what. You 1636 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:12,240 know, our friend Bart, Vander Zee, he's got that drum History 1637 01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:15,780 podcast, oh yes, a couple couple of 100 episodes. And what he 1638 01:33:15,780 --> 01:33:18,420 does is, I gotta, I gotta reach out to him, or see him at a 1639 01:33:18,420 --> 01:33:21,560 trade show, or just get him on the phone. I think it's a great 1640 01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,780 show. It's very it's very buttoned up, it's very 1641 01:33:23,780 --> 01:33:26,720 researched. But he'll be like, they'll do a focus like the drum 1642 01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:30,680 gear of Alex Van Halen, the drum gear of of Nico McCarthy, the 1643 01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,260 drum gear of Ringo Starr. And they do a deep dive. And he 1644 01:33:33,260 --> 01:33:36,260 brings on experts, and they talk about what that guy had through 1645 01:33:36,260 --> 01:33:39,200 the different eras. And they'll do like, the history of the bass 1646 01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,520 drum pedal, the history of the high had something like the 1647 01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:47,500 history of electronic drums. It's a really educational 1648 01:33:47,500 --> 01:33:48,340 podcast. That's 1649 01:33:48,340 --> 01:33:52,120 another world that I'm really, really into is the electronic 1650 01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:53,020 drum world. Yeah, 1651 01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:56,200 love it. Did you guys follow? Remember when we had How did I 1652 01:33:56,200 --> 01:34:00,900 unfollow this guy? That's weird, vintage drum catalogs. You 1653 01:34:00,900 --> 01:34:03,120 follow that on Instagram. Remember we had him on? Yeah? 1654 01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,660 Maxwell shaft. You know Maxwell from person from KHS apex, and 1655 01:34:06,660 --> 01:34:11,160 then he plays down at Roberts Western world. So much cool. He 1656 01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,080 collects all these vintage 1657 01:34:13,140 --> 01:34:16,440 they're great. It's such a great walk down memory lane. It's 1658 01:34:16,440 --> 01:34:17,160 incredible. Hey, 1659 01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:20,660 what's your favorite color? We got a red. Yeah, what's your 1660 01:34:20,780 --> 01:34:25,100 food or dish? Mexican, dude, Tex Mex, or just straight up mole, 1661 01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:28,280 mole. Straight up Mexican. Mexican. Where do you go in 1662 01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:29,540 Nashville? Where's the spot? Is 1663 01:34:32,180 --> 01:34:35,600 it? Nolensville road. I mean, yeah, Galton road. It depends on 1664 01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:40,480 what I'm getting. Yeah, believe it or not, like there's a spot 1665 01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,600 toward Mount Juliet. I don't remember the name of it, but 1666 01:34:44,020 --> 01:34:47,440 it's one of the few places I've had that have killer tamales. 1667 01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:51,400 Tamales, yeah, I like the green around Christmas. Oh, my God, 1668 01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:53,560 because I grew up in El Paso, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, like, 1669 01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,960 fantastic, yeah. What about your favorite cocktail? Favorite 1670 01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:56,320 cocktail? 1671 01:34:56,740 --> 01:35:02,580 Hmm, it used to be. Vodka crayons used to be, yeah, went 1672 01:35:02,580 --> 01:35:05,760 to that phase. And then something happened around 35 1673 01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:11,700 where this thing called the hangover started, yes, yeah. 1674 01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,580 Ainsley was the same way. It was right around the same time, 1675 01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:20,300 oddly enough, just like, Oh, Jesus, what? How, yeah, you 1676 01:35:20,300 --> 01:35:21,560 know, and those hang around for a 1677 01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:24,140 few days. She needs to make something for that, right? 1678 01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:26,300 Tell me about, yeah, 1679 01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:32,420 I'm a Scotch dude. Oh, wow, scotch and tequila. Don't mix 1680 01:35:32,420 --> 01:35:33,440 them. I haven't 1681 01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:34,640 experimented with 1682 01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,920 the scotch, but it's, you're very sophisticated, and 1683 01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:38,120 something you could sip. It 1684 01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:43,180 is, yeah, it is. That's why I dig it. Because, man, again, the 1685 01:35:43,180 --> 01:35:47,020 hangovers, yeah? Like great movies. You can, you can give me 1686 01:35:47,020 --> 01:35:51,160 beers and it's like four or five right off the bat, and then 1687 01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:55,480 mellow, yeah, and then just take it slow. Can't do that with 1688 01:35:55,480 --> 01:35:58,900 liquor, yeah? You got to respect it, or it'll kick you in the 1689 01:35:58,900 --> 01:36:05,820 face. Yes. So, I guess margaritas, yeah, yeah, what 1690 01:36:05,820 --> 01:36:09,420 they would call skinny margaritas, but a real 1691 01:36:09,420 --> 01:36:13,560 Margarita, yeah, where it's lime juice, you know, some form of a 1692 01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:14,220 triple sec, 1693 01:36:14,220 --> 01:36:17,220 yeah. And do you like the reposado or the BLANCO when 1694 01:36:17,220 --> 01:36:19,440 you're just doing your tequila? Uh, we'll do reposado, 1695 01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:23,480 yeah. And then I'll sip on your host and mezcan, 1696 01:36:23,540 --> 01:36:26,600 hey, get this. I got a friend, Greg Sobel. He's I met him like 1697 01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,200 over 20 years ago in Southern California. We were playing the 1698 01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:36,080 Galaxy Ballroom in Santa Ana, and kept in touch on and off all 1699 01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:41,440 these years. And he just developed the first kosher, the 1700 01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:46,060 world's first kosher tequila, and he sent me a bot, two 1701 01:36:46,060 --> 01:36:50,140 bottles of stuff, a reposado and a Blanco killer. It's kosher. 1702 01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:54,760 What makes it kosher, though? Um, he's gonna explain that, but 1703 01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,640 it's basically the idea, whatever that process is where, 1704 01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,660 you know, like, involved in animals whatsoever. There's no 1705 01:37:01,020 --> 01:37:01,620 clovid feet. 1706 01:37:01,620 --> 01:37:04,140 There's a process where it has to do with the ingredients, and 1707 01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:08,340 then what, you know, what they approve the priest, there's a 1708 01:37:08,340 --> 01:37:10,980 priest involved. Or, like, you know, unless there's some sort 1709 01:37:10,980 --> 01:37:13,740 of a process, I know it's, it's like, super clean, there's a lot 1710 01:37:13,740 --> 01:37:18,600 of rules. And so anyways, we figure maybe we'll get him on 1711 01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,800 the show, because he's a true, you know, he has an 1712 01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,000 entrepreneurial spirit. 1713 01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:26,300 He bring you some samples. Call your boy. I'll tell you what. 1714 01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:28,760 Yeah, you know, I just can't wait. That's I got the tequila 1715 01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:32,240 Jones from our Singer, Mark, yeah, except he's a tequila 1716 01:37:32,300 --> 01:37:36,920 head. I see he's so there's for for beer drinkers. There's an 1717 01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:40,040 app called untapped, yeah, where you can kind of sign in, do all 1718 01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:45,400 that. There's one for tequila, where, wherever we are in the 1719 01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:48,400 world, he gets on there and looks at the map and finds 1720 01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:53,800 what's near us, because that's that's our game, myself, Mark 1721 01:37:53,860 --> 01:37:58,840 and our rhythm guitar player. UVA, if it's not Mexican, we 1722 01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:02,280 will find the Irish Pub. Ah, we can be in the middle of a 1723 01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:04,740 desert, yeah, and around the corner, there's somewhere with 1724 01:38:04,740 --> 01:38:07,800 Guinness on tap, and the lines are clean so it doesn't taste 1725 01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:10,260 skunked. We will find that 1726 01:38:10,260 --> 01:38:13,800 place. Give Guinness another shot, if we're 1727 01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:18,600 playing in your city, yeah? Either, like, where, you know, 1728 01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:22,820 the grandmother is in the kitchen, cooking, yeah? We're 1729 01:38:22,820 --> 01:38:25,640 either going to be eating that Mexican food, yeah, or we're 1730 01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:27,440 going to be at the Irish Pub a little 1731 01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:29,420 some fish and chips and a Guinness. Have you been to the 1732 01:38:29,420 --> 01:38:30,740 Guinness factory in Ireland? 1733 01:38:31,820 --> 01:38:36,800 I was in Dublin once, yeah. But we got in at like, six o'clock, 1734 01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:40,180 yeah. So I missed it, but I went, I went drinking an Old 1735 01:38:40,180 --> 01:38:44,980 Town, which was maybe a half a mile from our hotel, where all 1736 01:38:44,980 --> 01:38:48,880 that is, yeah, and it was the most delicious Guinness I've 1737 01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:52,960 ever had in my life. It's also where I discovered, like the 1738 01:38:53,140 --> 01:38:56,680 Jameson castmates before they came here, and then, like the 1739 01:38:56,680 --> 01:39:00,660 Jameson single barrel, like the Black Label, that's like, super 1740 01:39:00,660 --> 01:39:04,080 smooth and little bit sweet, but not too much. Yeah, 1741 01:39:05,340 --> 01:39:07,440 what are your some of your favorite spots to visit in 1742 01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:10,680 Europe? You're probably being there so often that you have 1743 01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:15,480 your favorite go to spots in each city, country, states, you 1744 01:39:15,480 --> 01:39:16,020 know, like, 1745 01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:22,940 I love Hamburg. It's a water city. So just walking along, you 1746 01:39:22,940 --> 01:39:26,000 know, the docks and everything, just, I love water in general. 1747 01:39:26,060 --> 01:39:29,660 It gives me peace, yeah, especially in this crazy, hectic 1748 01:39:29,660 --> 01:39:33,860 thing that, that we do, that we do, yeah, Hamburg is great. 1749 01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:39,140 There's a city called Leipzig in Germany that they've got one of 1750 01:39:39,140 --> 01:39:42,700 these old beer halls that's a couple 100 years old underground 1751 01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:49,360 called Auerbach Keller, and it is the most amazing meal I've 1752 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:53,440 ever had. Awesome. It's reindeer. Oh, I've had reindeer. 1753 01:39:53,500 --> 01:39:57,340 Yeah, slow roasted, marinated with the gravy. They've got the 1754 01:39:57,340 --> 01:40:01,560 red cabbage and canola, which is like this. Puffed up potato 1755 01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:05,580 dumpling type thing, amazing. You want to go to sleep right 1756 01:40:05,580 --> 01:40:07,680 after you eat it, but it's the best thing. Yeah, 1757 01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:10,440 I had the reindeer in Stockholm. Yeah, yep, 1758 01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,480 uh, Munich's great because of hofbrow house. Yeah, I love 1759 01:40:15,480 --> 01:40:17,160 that. One of my favorite beers. Have you 1760 01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,300 been there for Vegas? Did you go to hofbra house, Vegas by 1761 01:40:20,300 --> 01:40:20,600 chance? 1762 01:40:20,660 --> 01:40:24,500 No, no, I didn't know they had one. I knew there was, there was 1763 01:40:24,500 --> 01:40:29,660 like a replica in like Chicago area, kind of like Rosemont, or 1764 01:40:29,660 --> 01:40:30,560 somewhere around there. 1765 01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,880 I play like Rome. We 1766 01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,160 not Rome. We've played PISA 1767 01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:44,740 Florence. What's Napoli? I Milan. We played lots were the 1768 01:40:44,740 --> 01:40:47,140 most handful of times well dressed people in the world, in 1769 01:40:47,140 --> 01:40:48,100 the cathedral, yeah, we 1770 01:40:49,180 --> 01:40:50,800 played there a handful of times. 1771 01:40:51,820 --> 01:40:57,220 Not much in Italy. And a great spots to buy fashion, forward 1772 01:40:57,340 --> 01:40:57,940 fashion. 1773 01:40:58,540 --> 01:40:58,720 I 1774 01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:03,960 saw a pair of overalls, yeah? Like a Versace label, or one of 1775 01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:09,240 these, like Mega monies, with factory grass stains and scuffs. 1776 01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:13,320 And it was like five grand for a pair of overalls. And looking at 1777 01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:17,640 it going, Dude, we can just go to Goodwill and I'll walk on 1778 01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:19,440 them, yeah, if you want this 1779 01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:22,820 car hard it up. We'll just, you gotta put, we gotta put Tractor 1780 01:41:22,820 --> 01:41:24,020 Supply in the map. We just 1781 01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,960 gotta buy, gosh, it, right? I wouldn't do that, but I'm just 1782 01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,360 saying it's like, um, grow if you're in Paris or Rome or 1783 01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,060 Milana, you're gonna, you're gonna find some nice threads, 1784 01:41:32,060 --> 01:41:33,740 man, yeah, 1785 01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,180 no, I'll lose me. I'd 1786 01:41:35,180 --> 01:41:36,620 rather, I'd rather buy drums. 1787 01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,160 Snare drums are gonna last longer, and they'll actually 1788 01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:41,140 appreciate, Hey, 1789 01:41:41,140 --> 01:41:43,960 Jim, ask your question, and we then we have a bass player 1790 01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:46,780 coming in. Ooh, amazing, ooh. 1791 01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:51,460 So my question would be, what part of a kids movie completely 1792 01:41:51,460 --> 01:41:55,060 scarred you? I'm sorry, 1793 01:41:57,100 --> 01:42:01,560 ouch. Of a kids it could be like that. Could be like Pixar or or, 1794 01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:01,680 you 1795 01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:03,840 know, something you watched when you were a kid. That was a kid's 1796 01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:04,140 movie. 1797 01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:07,860 Oh, I see, you know, that scarred me. I don't know, 1798 01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:08,340 bambi's 1799 01:42:08,340 --> 01:42:10,320 mother gets killed, yeah, that kind of thing. Now, 1800 01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:12,960 okay, how about this one, 1801 01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,620 stinker, I don't know it was like horror. It makes 1802 01:42:16,620 --> 01:42:19,140 you think that does, dude, pet cemetery scared 1803 01:42:19,140 --> 01:42:20,660 the hell out. Hi, there you go. 1804 01:42:21,380 --> 01:42:22,040 Upstairs. 1805 01:42:24,440 --> 01:42:29,300 My, my, my brother loved that movie again. Five years older, 1806 01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:33,020 scared the hell out of me. I didn't go to sleep that night. I 1807 01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:37,160 couldn't see the cassette tape without getting scared. So my 1808 01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:41,440 mother would hide it on top of the refrigerator. VHS, yeah. But 1809 01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:44,020 then my brother would also pull crap, like, if he was 1810 01:42:44,020 --> 01:42:48,160 babysitting me, you know, I'd be in mom's room watching TV, and 1811 01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:51,760 he'd reach in and cut off the light and pull the door close 1812 01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:57,760 and go, Oh, wow, and scratch the door. And I'm, you know, you're 1813 01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:00,660 like, five years old. You're not thinking, I can get off this bed 1814 01:43:00,660 --> 01:43:04,740 and just go turn on the light. It's just him, like, That was 1815 01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:08,460 Friday the 13th, right? Yeah, all of those. He had the full 1816 01:43:08,460 --> 01:43:11,340 box set when they came out. Oh, yeah, Freddie, all of them. 1817 01:43:11,340 --> 01:43:13,320 Jason takes Manhattan, all of that stuff. 1818 01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:15,840 Michael Myers is quite a character. But, I mean, that 1819 01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,180 question. Michael Myers, but, 1820 01:43:18,180 --> 01:43:21,380 but he grew up, you know, watching it like Freddy Krueger 1821 01:43:21,380 --> 01:43:22,040 was hilarious 1822 01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:24,920 too. Yeah, I'm your boyfriend now and 1823 01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:29,300 through the phone. Yeah, hilarious, but yeah, it wasn't 1824 01:43:29,300 --> 01:43:32,480 until years later I got into that genre. Now I love it. Oh, I 1825 01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:36,500 love it. Just messed me up. Messed me up. I've seen them 1826 01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:36,620 all, 1827 01:43:36,620 --> 01:43:39,860 see that was a good question. It yielded fruit, yeah? How dare 1828 01:43:39,860 --> 01:43:41,240 you throw shade. That was fruitful. Yeah? 1829 01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:43,660 But the first one was, that was a stand was, that was 1830 01:43:43,660 --> 01:43:44,740 a stinker. Yeah, it wasn't. 1831 01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,920 That was it went into a different version of the 1832 01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:50,560 question, Hey, man, I'm just Gene Simmons, and you, I know 1833 01:43:50,740 --> 01:43:53,860 you're freaking roughing me up here. What's an issue you got? 1834 01:43:53,860 --> 01:43:56,140 We got to talk about something. What do you 1835 01:43:56,140 --> 01:43:59,200 mean? I'm funny. What's so funny about me? No, 1836 01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:03,420 no, no, he's a big boy. Do you said it? He knows what. Let him 1837 01:44:03,420 --> 01:44:04,440 talk. Let him talk 1838 01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:08,880 when he's when he stabs him in the trial, yeah, God, brutal. My 1839 01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,280 just go have then they just go eat dinner. Sunday 1840 01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:14,520 dinner. Yeah, not much. It's the, what do you call it? The 1841 01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:17,460 Paw, the paw, the hoof, the hoof. Ma, it's a sin. It's a 1842 01:44:17,460 --> 01:44:20,300 sin. Great movie, all the good fellas 1843 01:44:20,300 --> 01:44:24,080 and all the godfathers, dude, I'm telling you, this was so 1844 01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,900 long overdue. Yeah, man. And I appreciate you coming out. 1845 01:44:26,900 --> 01:44:29,780 Appreciate you having me have an amazing tour this year. Thank 1846 01:44:29,780 --> 01:44:31,880 you, brother. Yeah, I get to hope you get to visit. Are you 1847 01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,220 gonna be able to visit those spots you're talking about? 1848 01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:34,940 Yeah, yeah, 1849 01:44:34,940 --> 01:44:36,500 yeah. Hopefully. So I know we're doing, 1850 01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:40,720 we got like, four or five weeks in Europe this summer. Now you 1851 01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:43,240 guys go to Asia. We're doing Japan 1852 01:44:44,260 --> 01:44:46,840 couple weeks. Tokyo isn't gonna be a bus. Haven't done it. I 1853 01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:47,980 love Tokyo the other planet, 1854 01:44:47,980 --> 01:44:50,860 right? Osaka is my favorite other place in the world. If I 1855 01:44:50,860 --> 01:44:52,660 could live anywhere else, I'd move to Osaka. We 1856 01:44:52,660 --> 01:44:56,560 got the Osaka Japanese steakhouse up the street. It 1857 01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:57,940 looks actually little different, 1858 01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:01,020 topical. But by the time this goes. Is out. It's not going to 1859 01:45:01,020 --> 01:45:04,320 be so topical. I want to go visit Bangkok. Yeah, 1860 01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:07,260 never been to Thailand. Have 1861 01:45:07,260 --> 01:45:09,180 you guys seen the videos? I connected 1862 01:45:09,180 --> 01:45:14,160 Shanghai once in China. That sucked. Yeah, you mentioned we 1863 01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:17,460 had a flight connection. We were flying to Australia from Tokyo. 1864 01:45:17,460 --> 01:45:20,900 Again. Connected in Shanghai, China. Oh, wow. That sucked. 1865 01:45:21,740 --> 01:45:23,600 That was not fun. Did you guys 1866 01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:26,000 see those videos this week that came out from the big earthquake 1867 01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:29,720 over there? Oh, my God. You see like, all the like, the, oh, is 1868 01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:33,380 that the building? The building? Yeah, the pools were splashing 1869 01:45:33,380 --> 01:45:34,700 out and falling down, and 1870 01:45:34,700 --> 01:45:38,120 all this happened so far away, and the effects came all those 1871 01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:43,060 miles. Yeah. So get this one, of, one of my gals went on the 1872 01:45:43,060 --> 01:45:46,000 roof, good friends, Sophie monk, she's a celebrity. She's a huge 1873 01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,880 celebrity in Australia. She hosts like, you know, Australia 1874 01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:53,740 has got this and, you know, the dating shows over there. And she 1875 01:45:53,740 --> 01:45:57,160 was in Bangkok when it happened, really, and survived, okay. She 1876 01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:58,120 got out of there. Yeah, yeah. 1877 01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:00,480 Because it reminded me when you were talking about earlier, 1878 01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:03,840 being three stories up now, I mean, imagine being up on a 1879 01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:05,280 building, and it starts swaying, 1880 01:46:05,460 --> 01:46:09,360 man, there was a video of, there was a couple in, you know, it's 1881 01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:12,300 an infinity pool on top of a roof, but at least there's a 1882 01:46:12,300 --> 01:46:14,820 glass wall, but they're on the top of the building, yeah, 1883 01:46:15,300 --> 01:46:17,520 swimming. And then you see the water 1884 01:46:17,700 --> 01:46:21,500 start swinging around. Don't swim, guys kids, the guys 1885 01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:23,600 holding on for dear life. Yeah, don't 1886 01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:24,440 do Nope. 1887 01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:28,100 There's this glass wall on the edge. On the Edge, 1888 01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:32,180 yeah, in the infinity pools, it gives the illusion of an edge, 1889 01:46:32,180 --> 01:46:35,120 but there's actually a splash area on 1890 01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:39,020 a proper infinity pool. Yeah, it flows over and there's actually 1891 01:46:39,020 --> 01:46:43,960 a basin, but it looks like it just goes forever. Yeah, this 1892 01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:49,720 was that theme, but a giant, thick, I guess, Plexi or acrylic 1893 01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,680 wall, probably the depth of the pool, and maybe another four or 1894 01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:57,880 five feet above the deck, so not that big, and you're swimming 1895 01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:03,000 and looking down at the Earth as the water is no, I'm good, get 1896 01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,100 out of that pool. Are they literally getting in that thing 1897 01:47:05,100 --> 01:47:06,120 anyway? You kidding me? They 1898 01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:09,600 got videos of the pool water splashing down. I think one of 1899 01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:12,000 the pools, like, emptied completely, and people on the 1900 01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,100 ground got like, washed away like a tidal wave, 1901 01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:17,580 broken necks, probably, no, no, God, that's horrible. I won't 1902 01:47:17,580 --> 01:47:21,740 even do the Chicago the ledge or whatever, with the cracked 1903 01:47:21,740 --> 01:47:25,820 floor. And then there's, is it in Vegas? There's like a room 1904 01:47:25,820 --> 01:47:28,820 you stand in that actually tips? Oh, yeah, I think 1905 01:47:28,820 --> 01:47:31,760 that's Chicago too. It's not for me. Yeah. No, 1906 01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,580 not for me. I'll keep my feet on the ground. Christopher 1907 01:47:34,580 --> 01:47:38,420 Williams, C Williams drums.com, also check out his woodworking 1908 01:47:38,420 --> 01:47:41,920 business. Check out his brides business. It's just called 1909 01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:42,520 wensley's 1910 01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:44,980 essential blends. Yeah, love it. Anglesley Music official.com. 1911 01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:49,780 Amazing. My personal socials, YouTube, Facebook, all that 1912 01:47:49,780 --> 01:47:55,960 stuff is at C Williams, drums, CDW, Woodworks with an X. CDW, 1913 01:47:56,260 --> 01:48:00,720 metal works with an X. Hey, bro. And soon to be launched, 1914 01:48:01,380 --> 01:48:04,740 kick logos.com Oh, so you're gonna start doing logos. 1915 01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:08,940 I've been doing custom heads for myself and for years and years. 1916 01:48:08,940 --> 01:48:14,280 Great. What happens? You're a remote guy, yeah, right. You're 1917 01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:19,080 a DW guy, right? You got a red kit, right? You want a red logo 1918 01:48:19,140 --> 01:48:24,380 on a fiber skin head. But who's got it? Where do you go? You got 1919 01:48:24,380 --> 01:48:26,960 anybody in town? No, not anybody in town. You want custom 1920 01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:30,740 graphics to go along with that? No, call your boy. How you doing 1921 01:48:30,740 --> 01:48:33,800 it? Like laser printing or something, or is like, dicotter. 1922 01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:36,680 We gotta talk off and then offline, and then graphics. 1923 01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:37,580 Yeah, I'm doing out 1924 01:48:37,940 --> 01:48:40,360 as well. Smart buddy. See, you're really smart, and if one 1925 01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:42,700 of your revenue streams goes away. You're cool because you 1926 01:48:42,700 --> 01:48:43,660 got five others, yep, 1927 01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:47,020 and Lord and out of the house. Lanc studio, that's right. 1928 01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:47,680 Third. How 1929 01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:50,020 many inputs? 24 inputs. 3232 1930 01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,580 inputs of drums to your inbox. By Christopher Williams, thanks 1931 01:48:54,580 --> 01:48:57,100 for being here, buddy. Thanks for having I appreciate it, man. 1932 01:48:57,100 --> 01:48:59,620 Good to meet you. Likewise, yeah, Jim, thanks for all you do 1933 01:48:59,620 --> 01:49:01,920 is brother. And to all the listeners, we appreciate it. Be 1934 01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:05,040 sure to subscribe, share, rate and review we there's you know, 1935 01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:07,560 it helps people find the show, and we've been noticing that you 1936 01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:11,220 guys have been believing some nice reviews. So keep it up. We 1937 01:49:11,220 --> 01:49:14,340 appreciate it. We'll see you next time. Thanks so much. 1938 01:49:14,340 --> 01:49:16,200 Thanks. Chris, thanks, Jim, this 1939 01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:21,020 has been the rich Redmond show. 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