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Unknown: This has been my
critique of the Rock and Roll

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Hall of Fame. It is not titled
correctly, right? When you say

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rock and roll, who do you? What
do you think of? You think of

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leather jackets? You think Keith
Richards, Zeppelin, yeah?

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Zeppelin, Deep Purple. Yeah?

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Anthrax, metallic

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company. Yeah? Paul Rogers,

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exactly. That's what Whitney
Houston. Whitney Houston in the

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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

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Welcome to a podcast about music
and entertainment before it all

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goes down the disposal This is
circling the drain.

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Welcome back to circling the
drain, the podcast with John E

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Bozeman, Johnny B, that's me.
Jay Harper's over there. Hello,

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Jay. That's me. Hiya, Johnny B,
and hello to Jim McCarthy, Jim,

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how you doing, brother? Hey,
pretty good. Hey, you know we

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were talking about, and we're
gonna include you guys in on

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this one. We were talking about
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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up in Cleveland. Cleveland, you

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were just there. Were you? I was
just there the first time. How

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did you

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enjoy your experience? It

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wasn't, well, me, it was, it was
under underwhelming. Yeah, it

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was, yeah, it was just kind of
like, All right, so that was, we

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did that.

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How much did that set you back?
I'm sure the ticket is not

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cheap. I think

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was like 60, maybe 70 bucks for
the both of us to go through. It

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was about, you know, two and a
half hour experience. They're

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doing a lot of remodeling up
there. I don't want to

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completely throw shade on them,
but I mean, it's, yeah, you walk

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in and, you know, I'm a drummer.
So they have, I'm sorry, not a

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musician, a drummer. Hey, in the
org chart, it's typically the

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singer. The singer's got two
girls, or four girls, two on

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each arm. The guitar player's
got one a girl on each arm. The

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drummer's got one girl, and the
bass player is by himself. Okay,

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that's typically how it works.
So, you know, from a drummering

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standpoint, the only drums that
I could really see that were set

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up as a kit was larses kit from
Metallica, yeah. And you could

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tell when somebody sets up a
drum kit who's not a drummer,

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and it's like someone is happy,
like, you know, the toms are

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not, you know, angled the right
way. They're one Tom's kind of

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like, wonky up here, and it's
the other one's down there. And,

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yeah, you got you just it's
like, you phoned the scent man.

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Well, yeah,

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I mean, it's the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame for crying out

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loud. Do you think that they
would have a little more respect

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for the legacy,

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yeah, but you just hit it. See,
this has been my, this has been

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my critique of the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame. It is not titled

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correctly, right? When you say
rock and roll, who do you what

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do you think of? You think of
leather jackets? You think Keith

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Richards, Zeppelin, yeah?
Zeppelin, Deep Purple.

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Yeah, Anthrax, metallic company.

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Yeah? Paul Rogers, exactly.

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That's what Whitney Houston.
Whitney Houston in the Rock

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and Roll Hall of Fame. On top of
that, it's like, oh, here's a

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sock that Whitney wore back in
1985 here's the picture of her

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wearing the sock with an arrow
pointing towards it. It's like,

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cool, great. Yeah, there's a
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You know, Bill Monroe's in there
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Fame. Yeah. I mean, God bless
Bill Monroe, but Dolly's in

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there. Why the heck is he in the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? No

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disrespect to Bill Monroe, well,
no and nollie, no, that, you

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know, they could name the
Bluegrass Hall of Fame, the Bill

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Monroe bluegrass Hall of Fame.
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have David Lee Roth in there.

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That would be great, though.
Yeah, what he did make that

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bluegrass album. You know,
that's true,

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yeah. It is perplexing, man, it
is just a hodgepodge.

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Well, it is, I mean, it doesn't
make any sense. If it's going to

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be the Rock and Roll Hall of
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Don't make it Grand Master
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Run DMC. I can understand. Well,
they had some Aerosmith

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crossover, and they have some
cred. Public Enemy did the thing

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with anthrax back in 91 and it's
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crossing genres. I mean, that
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well, and I can see even some
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like, you know, Wayland,
Jennings, yeah, Carl played. He

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Holly, you know, Carl Perkins
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know, definitely he's in there,

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yeah, but, but some of these
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not the rock and roll, then you
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Hall of Fame.

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Well, they're having a promotion
at the time with Saturday Night

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Live, because of the 50th
anniversary, so that a whole

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section of the building
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over the years of Saturday Night
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yeah, and that was kind of fun
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Of course, they had the Blue
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Ferrell thing, you know, you
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kind of okay. That was nice, you
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Well, no, I don't think so. I
think, I think because you're a,

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you're a rock fan, yeah, and you
totally so I think it's, I don't

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know, I've just never been
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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They

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did have a section dedicated to
1984 the year, and that was

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pretty cool, because you saw,
like, Prince's stuff right on

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display. As you walk into the
room is the frankenstrat. Yeah,

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you fact, you sent us a picture,
yeah? But you go up to it and

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it's like, oh my gosh, there it
is really great. And I've seen

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it in the Smithsonian, yeah, but
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it, and you go, this can't be
the real deal. Yeah, I can't see

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his family relinquishing that.
But you find out it's a replica,

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and it's like, oh, okay, but
they did have actually

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selections in another part of
the building that was dedicated

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to Eddie Van Halen, like a
speaker cabinet, a couple of his

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guitars that were actually from
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that's pretty that was

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pretty cool. Yeah, that's very
cool. So I appreciated that. But

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you know, when we go down the
list of people that have not

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been inducted into the Rock and
Roll of fame. Yeah, that's

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another area where it just gets
here's a few names for you,

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Brian. Brian Adams, really? Yes.
Brian Adams is not enough.

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Allison chains, not in the rock
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Dwayne Allman, yeah, that's,
that's a travesty, no. And Greg

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almond Yeah, I was gonna say
probably Greg too is probably

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not in there. Now are the Allman

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Brothers. I do believe the
almond brothers are, but they

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also had some, you know, solo
stuff. Greg 38 special is not in

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there. What the crap? Yeah.
Bachman Turner overdrive. What a

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van that's not in there. Yeah,
that's bad finger. Yeah? Bad

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fingers, not in there,

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right? We talked about them in
another podcast of what, what

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could have been with those guys.
But still, they deserve to be in

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there for what they did do.

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Yeah, they did have hits. I
mean, they were, they were huge.

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They were huge hits. Blue Oyster
Cult is not in there. Oh, wow, I

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actually caught you would dig
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them live, I think they opened
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Kansas, a young pre teen Johnny
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drummer was throwing drum sticks
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drummer from Blue Oyster cults
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yeah, and I was gonna keep it
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was a black dude that was being
arrested for something. And he

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said, Oh, dude, man, I love to
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Well, it's gonna cost you. And
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was 50 bucks. Oh, wow. And he
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Man, can you get my wallet? I
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And I sold the drumstick for 50
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Arena in Wichita. It's about how
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drumsticks. Oh yeah. Black Crows
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Really, yeah, in the rock and
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the band, Kansas is not,

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yeah, Kansas isn't in there.
Canned heat.

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I love that. I love the music in
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I said, Boy, you know, the song
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cool when it started going, I
know, no way, yeah, but Spencer

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Davis, group isn't in there.
Well, Rick Derringer, oh, rock

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and roll. Come on. Rock and roll
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Edgar Winter is not in there.
What about John? Johnny's not in

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there? Yeah. Johnny winner,
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really not there. That's

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insane. Great about it. But Pink
Floyd's in there,

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yeah? Pink Floyd, I think. But
you know, Jay Giles band isn't

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in there, yeah. And they should
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well, Rush just got inducted
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that was, like, because the Foo
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really made a considered effort
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and it was a big deal, like,
they pretty much put the hall

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and fame on blast, even during
the ceremony, yeah, like, it's

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about time you got these guys
in. But not I didn't see one

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lick of evidence of anything
with to do with rush inside

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that, see,

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and that's just that's sacrilege
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I'll admit I don't know the the
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Being voted in. I mean, who does
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Do any either of you know, I
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people. Is it a panel? Is it can
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it's like if you're a member of
the ACM or the CMA, you know,

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which we can be a member? Well,
sure, you know, then you have

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voting privileges. I wonder if
the Hall of Fame is that way.

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Well, I'm sure it is. And I just
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with people like Whitney Houston
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love Dolly Parton agreed.

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Or, you know, cooling the gang
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Lake and Palmer is it? I mean,
what is wrong with this picture?

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Humble Pie isn't in there.

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So to be inducted into the Rock
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musician or band must become
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first commercially released
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excellence and a significant
impact on the genre, a

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nominating committee selects a
slate of nominees, which are

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then voted on by an
international body of rock

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experts and The public the top
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category are then inducted,
while other categories like

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musical excellence are selected
by smaller committees. So there

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you go.

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So that's how it's done, that
the big I use in the

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parentheses, rock and roll, Hall
of Fame, yes, while you have

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Whitney Houston in there. Iron
Maiden is not that. James Gang

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is not in there. Jethro Tull is
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they were also put up. They also
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once upon a time too, by the
Grammys, yeah. Rob that of

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Metallica.

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Huey Lewis in the news is not in
the rock and roll. Wow. Wow. So,

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I mean, there's, it just goes
on. Motley Crue isn't in there.

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it just doesn't make sense. No,
it does not, you know, and, and

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we're not the first to say this
kind of stuff. I mean, you hear

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these, these cries every time
they announce the inductees,

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every Oh, sure. And people will
scratch their heads and go, you

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know, you don't want to be
disrespectful to successful

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acts, but in their own genre.
But what the heck are they doing

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in the Rock and Roll Hall of
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Yeah, because it's not rock and
roll to me, yeah, if it's rock

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and roll, that means rock and
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means so, you know, either they
need to really start inducting

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only rock and roll acts, or they
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Yeah. And then, is it a play for
a mass audience attraction? I

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think that, I think you hit on
it right there. I think they're,

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they're wanting to get a mass
appeal, yeah? And to me,

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they've, they've kind of, they
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Yeah, they did. Well, it just,
it kind of dilutes, yeah, they

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watered it down. Yeah. I mean,
it just dilutes what rock and

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roll really has been, which, to
me, is total freedom, rebellion.

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Like I said, when I think rock
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think of is Keith Richards,
yeah, that's the first person I

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think of is rocking. I don't
think Grand Master flash, I

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don't think any. I mean, God
bless them all. Is

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there a hip hop Hall of Fame?
There should be, I think there

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should be too.

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Yeah, there should be. There's
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happen.

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And you know what, I'd be just
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really, you know, if you start
inducting arrows Aerosmith, and

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they're not hip hop, no, they're
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And you would, really, I don't
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wouldn't even be considered for
a hip hop Hall of Fame. No, you

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know, I mean, on the other side
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No, it'd be like, Well, it'd be
like, putting, you know, deep

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purple in the in the hip hop
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putting a, you know, Richie
Blackmore in the Country Music

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Hall of Fame, it'd be, it makes
about as much sense

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now, is the Country Music Hall
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it's been a long time since I've
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know, when they built the new
build, to me, it's still the new

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that are, yeah, you know, I've
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but I think it's pretty well
done, you know, and they do a

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lot of nice exhibits. I know
Patty loveless had a nice

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exhibit in there for I may still
be set up in there, I don't

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know. But usually when they
induct new members, they will

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kind of create little, you know,
segments dedicated to the new

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inductees, which is a nice
touch, yeah,

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it is a nice touch. Yeah. I
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did. Because, you know, Wayland
was always kind of a rebel, and,

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you know, he didn't. He was, he
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outlaw, but when he was inducted
into the Country Music Hall of

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Fame. Instead of going down and
making a speech himself, he sent

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his son, buddy didn't even send
shooter as it gets Yeah, go pick

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it up for me, you're a fan of
his, aren't you? Waylon

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Jennings, I like him a little
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little bit. Got all of his
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one coming in, or songbird.
Songbird, yeah, that's gonna be

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interesting. Yeah. I saw a post
on social media his brother who

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owns,

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oh yeah, he owns way More's
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It's like, yeah, it's like, it's
like a it's like a store, yeah?

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Like, convenience, yeah.

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But he was, he had, like, an
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copies of the vinyl. Oh, yeah,
given

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away. Yeah. I think shooter may
have signed those too, but yeah,

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shooter found these cuts. It's
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interesting to hear, but he's
got three albums worth. Wow,

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that's a lot. It is a lot of
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house, and it was in a room that
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was alive. And shooter came
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he sweetened it up a little bit
and and added some background

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vocals.

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And, I mean, was it just like
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He said it was completed tunes.
Said it was all completed songs

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by him and the Wailers. And he
said it was just like a treasure

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trove. They said, three albums
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interesting, you know, makes you
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will RCA, or, you know, some
other label, perhaps lay claim

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that stuff? I mean, well, that's
interesting, because shooters

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putting it out on his own,
right, right? So, yeah, I'd be

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wondering if, if he had to work
out a deal with RCA, because,

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knowing these record companies
in Nashville are notorious for

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trying to milk whatever they
can. Probably the worst of

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milking an artist to death is
Jimi Hendrix. Oh yeah, my gosh,

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they, I mean, if Jimmy farted in
the studio, they're gonna put

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out a, you know, an album on it,
because they put out some stuff

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that, frankly, because if you
ever saw Jimi Hendrix in any of

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the Woodstock or Isle of Wight
these, these two festivals that

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they put out, you know, CDs on
DVDs, they weren't the greatest.

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In fact, Isle of Wight was a, oh
my gosh, that or the worst had

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to be Atlanta. Live in Atlanta
on July 4. Do you think

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there's an element of, like,

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overratedness? You think with
that?

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Or I think, I think what it is
is just a family member just

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trying to milk as much money as
they can out of

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he had his whole section. Yeah,
he had a whole section devoted

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to Hendrix. There was a section
to Janis Joplin, a lot of the

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60s artists from Woodstock that
I do that was kind of cool, you

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know. And my wife was looking at
Janice Josh, she's like, she was

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not a good looking woman. And I
go, she was bad. I mean, yeah,

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no, she was, she was just for
the time. I mean, she was a hard

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liver, you know, she drank a
lot, and a lot of drugs,

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but, you know, they all did
really, Jimi Hendrix, to me, was

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always one of those artists. I'm
like, yeah, he was, he did a lot

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for the genre, but I'm like, it
wasn't bad. I mean, no,

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I loved Hendrix. I mean, I
thought Hendrix was great. But

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when I watched the whole
Woodstock, because, you know,

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Star Spangled Banner, yeah, man,
that was phenomenal. But you

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watched the whole show. Oh, it
was, Well, number one, he had

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put this band together at the
last minute, so nobody really

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knew what the other was doing.
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just loose and just kind of
meandered all over the it wasn't

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real bad, but it wasn't great,
yeah, but once he got into Star

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Spangled Banner and and did the,
you know, spar spangled banner,

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into Purple Haze, into that
little blues thing he did on

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guitar at the end, that was
good. That was the best part of

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the but really, when I, when I
went to see Woodstock, I went to

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see Hendrix, primarily because I
was a big Hendrix fan, but I

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walked away from that movie
loving Sly and the Family Stone,

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they were phenomenal 10 years
after, who, by the way, they're

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not in the rock fame either. 10
years after the who, Joe Cocker,

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there were so many performances
on Woodstock that just really

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blew me away more than Jimmy
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Actually Sly and the Family
Stone they are in, yeah, they

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are Rock and Roll Hall

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of and now he deserves to be
there. He was a, like, I said,

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Man, if you ever saw Woodstock
the movie, or if you were one of

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the people that went to the
show, and remember he was, I

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think he was the show stealer.
Oh, really, yeah. Well, if you

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watch Prince, Prince, you can
tell really got a lot of, I

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think he got a lot of influence
from watching sly and Family

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Stone, right? Because Prince
kind of had the same kind of

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band, you know, really free form
jamming. And, you know, put on a

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show time band.

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You'd mentioned Huey Lewis in
the news. And in that 1984

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exhibit, he was prominently
featured. Really, I'm surprised

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he's not an

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inductee. Well, they should be
in there. Huey Lewis and the

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News were huge.

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I mean, it's he, the Heart of
Rock and roll is in Cleveland,

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yes. I mean, for

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God's sake, it's in the song.
Yes, it is. It looks like you

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pay back. But you know, there's
a lot of country art. We were

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bringing up the Country Music
Hall of Fame. There are a lot of

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country artists that aren't in
there that should be Allison

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Krause is one. Oh, wow, she's
not in the Country Music Hall.

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Yeah.

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She's more bluegrass, though,
right?

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Yeah, she tours with Robert
Plant and and John Wait, right?

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Nothing but bluegrass.

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Yeah, she's totally bluegrass.
But yeah, there's a ton of Clint

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Black isn't in there.

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Oh, gosh, we could go down the
laundry list. Vern Gosden, I

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know that a guy in Nashville
known as the voice Yes, and not

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in the Country Music Hall of
Fame

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well, and he has, I mean,
probably one of the best, aside

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from, he stopped loving her
today, chiseled in stone, you

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talk about a song that'll make
you classic

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weep, you know. And you know,
Vern was on Electra for a number

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of years, when he had some
really big hits, and then he

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went on an independent label,
which, back at that time, when

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he was on an independent label,
back in the mid 80s, was still

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getting number one records, top
10 records, which, back then,

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things have changed, but back
then an indie label getting any

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sort of recognition, yeah, on
country radio was next to

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impossible. You know, Jim Glaser
was able to do that as well. I

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forgot about Jim. Yeah, what a
great artist. Man, no kidding.

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He was on a label, noble vision,
yes and yeah. You know, to me,

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Jim Glaser, when I think back on
the fact that he sang high

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harmony on El Paso, yes for
Marty Robbins, what singing high

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harmony to Marty Robbins, that's
a trick. That is a trick, you

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know. And Jim Glaser pulled it
off. He was, like, 19 or 20

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years old, oh, sure, when he

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did that. And he also, if
anybody ever heard Tom Paul and

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the glacier brother, oh man, my
gosh, they were fast. And you

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talk about harmony, they ought
to be in there. Absolutely ought

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to be in there, because you
number one, you wouldn't have

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the outlaw country music craze.
Had Tom Paul not really gotten

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all these people together,

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right? Of course, their biggest
hit. I think it got to number

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two. Was loving her was easier
than Chris Christofferson tune,

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yeah. But Tom Paul and his and
his brothers, I mean that family

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harmony, man, oh, they were
speaking of another family group

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that's not in the hall, Larry
Gatlin and the Gatlin brothers.

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Exactly. That is a crime. That
is a crime, you know. And again,

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we talked about this before we
started the podcast here, you

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know, Not to disparage some of
the artists that are in there,

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no. But I feel like these
artists like Larry Gatlin, Don

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rich, Eddie rabbit, Mickey
Gilly, yeah, we're gonna mention

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some other Earl, Thomas Connor
Thomas Connolly, that dude had

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like, 16 or 17 number one songs
back in the 80s. Wrote them all,

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yes, and is not in there. But it
seems like a lot of these

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artists have just kind of been
passed over and forgotten, and

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now we're putting people in
there that are fairly recent. I

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have nothing against Kenny
Chesney put the guy in there,

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sure. But why is Eddie rabbit
not in there and Kenny Chesney

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is that makes no sense to me?

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No, it doesn't to me either. And
two guys that I think have been

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passed over that shouldn't be,
and this is just my opinion,

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Johnny paycheck, absolutely.
Johnny paycheck was huge. I

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mean, he was a character, yes,
so bank slaves was

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absolutely, you know, it's
almost like they're the Baseball

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Hall of Fame. You know, there's
some artists, there are some

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athletes that ought to be in
there, but because of their

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political stance or something,
they've kind of been snubbed.

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Their performance on the field
should be, really what matters.

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Curt Schilling comes to mind,
right? That man needs to be in

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the hall. I think that Johnny
paycheck kind of the same thing

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in a way, yes, because he was
kind of a well, he was, he was a

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character, he was a

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Hellraiser. Yeah, there's just
nothing. But, I mean, so many

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country artists were at that
time, and another one that was

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another Hellraiser. David Allen
Coe, he should be in there to me

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because he he had one of the
most Sung. You cannot go into a

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country bar without somebody on
karaoke night singing. You never

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call me by my name exactly, or,
as some people know it, darling,

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darling, darling, darling.
Darling. You never call me

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darling, darling, darling, yeah,
but because they don't like his

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lifestyle, or the, you

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know, it's just passed over. But
yeah,

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there are so many that Freddie
Hart's not in there. I know

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Freddie fender is

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not in easy, loving Freddie
Hart, that was a monster. So and

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he had other, oh yeah, other big
hits as well. But, you know, you

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go on the female side of things.
Jamie fricky,

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yeah, she's not in there, you
know, Seeley isn't in there.

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Jeannie C Riley's not in there.
I mean, Jesse Coulter, yeah, but

431
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yeah, the Jamie freaky. I mean,
she was CMA Female Vocalist of

432
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,020
the Year, I believe, 80 and 81
you know. So in the woman's not

433
00:25:41,020 --> 00:25:44,740
in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, it is
disappointing. I know there was

434
00:25:44,740 --> 00:25:47,680
a time when they would only put
like one artist every year.

435
00:25:47,860 --> 00:25:50,320
They've kind of expanded that a
little bit to where they're

436
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,460
adding more, right?

437
00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:54,340
But there are a lot of women
like Lori Morgan should be in

438
00:25:54,340 --> 00:25:58,720
there, I think. Yeah. Pam
tiller, Oh, absolutely, yeah.

439
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:03,900
So, I mean it almost Ricky van
Shelton. You know, when you get

440
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:06,360
out of town, Ricky van Shelton
isn't in there.

441
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:10,320
When you look at the list of
folks that are in it is

442
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:16,440
overwhelmingly male. And yes,
it, you know. And of course,

443
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:21,020
female artists in country have
long complained about how they

444
00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:24,200
get up or under represented on
country radio. That's been a

445
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,700
debate for years. Yeah?

446
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,440
Well, I remember during my early
days in country radio, we were

447
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,260
told not to play two females,
yeah?

448
00:26:33,260 --> 00:26:36,440
That was kind of an unwritten
rule. Well, on some stations it

449
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,120
was a written rule, yeah, you
got called on the card, yeah,

450
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:43,300
you don't play two females
Absolutely, which I do back to

451
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:45,580
back. You know, yeah,
occasionally I got

452
00:26:45,820 --> 00:26:49,600
was the research that, why did
they, why are they these

453
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,460
arbitrary rules that radio? I

454
00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:54,340
don't know. I don't know where
they came from. They were

455
00:26:54,340 --> 00:26:55,000
stupid,

456
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,200
yeah, and a lot of them, there
are no longer applicable, you

457
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,580
know, I'm on a number of country
stations around the country. And

458
00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:06,720
there was a time when you you
know, you wouldn't play an

459
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,320
artist more than you know, you
had to spread them out. You

460
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:16,620
wouldn't have a George Strait
record perhaps every hour. Or

461
00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:19,260
you know, it'd be they'd Hey,
Oh, you got to play them four or

462
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:22,880
five hours apart, you know? And
right? Okay, we got the one of

463
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,560
the, if not the hottest artist
in the format. We can only play

464
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,740
this guy once every four hours.
That's stupid. Oh, very stupid.

465
00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:33,740
But that doesn't seem to be the
case anymore, you know, I'm on

466
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,960
WSM FM from time to time, pretty
regular here in Nashville, and

467
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:45,340
there are a core of artists that
we play, we may play a oh gosh,

468
00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:50,620
Luke combs, for example, or
Morgan Wallen, you know, today's

469
00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:54,220
artists, right? They may get
played three or four times just

470
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:58,600
in the span of a couple of
hours. Oh yeah, yeah. So and I

471
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,980
don't disagree with that, you
know? I don't eat like when

472
00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:04,200
Jerry Reed said, you know, when
you're hot, you're hot, you

473
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,960
know. So play the hot stuff.
That's what people want to hear.

474
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,320
Well, it's like when I live when
I worked in Birmingham, Alabama,

475
00:28:11,220 --> 00:28:16,140
and we probably played these two
artists every hour, because they

476
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:21,440
were so popular down there. One
was Alabama, of course, and

477
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,700
another one was Hank Williams
Jr, yeah, this was in the early

478
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:29,900
80s. Yeah, early to mid 80s.
Born to boogie days. Oh, yeah,

479
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:31,760
where a country boy can't
survive

480
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,100
and all my rowdy friends. Yeah,

481
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,760
it's, it's interesting to see
how it's like there at one point

482
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,680
in time, radio actually did
take, you know, make, make the

483
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,520
phone calls, get the laid. And
the local market would kind of

484
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,640
dictate what they wanted to
listen to. But then you had your

485
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,600
boss jocks that kind of did that
as well. That's a good way.

486
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,780
Yeah, Paola came into it. Oh,
yes. And these record guys would

487
00:28:55,780 --> 00:28:58,960
come in, like, what do you need?
Girls, drugs, alcohol, what do

488
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,980
you know? What can I get for

489
00:28:59,980 --> 00:29:01,980
you? Like they said, Yeah,
hookers and blow,

490
00:29:01,980 --> 00:29:05,100
right? Radio is a much different
business back then, very

491
00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:08,940
but it was more interesting than
though, because I, you know,

492
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:13,680
I've said many times, one thing
I do miss about America back

493
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,660
then was that if you were in,
say, Wichita, Kansas, you would

494
00:29:18,660 --> 00:29:23,660
hear a totally different sound.
You would see different

495
00:29:23,660 --> 00:29:27,500
restaurants, different types of
food. And then you go down to

496
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:30,620
Birmingham, Alabama, and when it
would be totally different,

497
00:29:30,620 --> 00:29:35,000
yeah, homogenized today, yeah,
it's more homogenized now you

498
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,360
get, you get the same
restaurants. You get absolutely

499
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,380
everything's the same.

500
00:29:39,379 --> 00:29:43,479
Radio's the same way, and you're
so right, Johnny. I mean, I grew

501
00:29:43,479 --> 00:29:48,039
up in South Louisiana, started
my radio career there. And South

502
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:52,299
Louisiana is, well, Louisiana in
general, but specifically South

503
00:29:52,299 --> 00:29:57,699
Louisiana, the music sound there
is totally different than any

504
00:29:57,699 --> 00:30:00,239
other part of the country, and
that's not unusual. You. Go to

505
00:30:00,239 --> 00:30:02,879
parts of Texas, and it's
different there than any other.

506
00:30:02,879 --> 00:30:06,659
So it's not, you know, anything
that's all that unusual. But you

507
00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:10,559
know, the stuff that we would
play there, we would play some

508
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:15,419
local artists and stuff. There
was kind of a swamp Boogie

509
00:30:15,419 --> 00:30:20,119
country thing going on down
there, zadeko thing. Well, yeah,

510
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:23,779
there was an artist from North
Louisiana named Bubba Talbert

511
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:27,619
that we played. The guy was
great, yeah, we played a lot of

512
00:30:27,619 --> 00:30:32,959
John Wesley Ryles. Remember him,
yeah, sound that really was

513
00:30:32,959 --> 00:30:36,739
popular down there, yeah. And,
of course, at the time we were

514
00:30:36,739 --> 00:30:40,959
locally owned, this was W, y and
K, A, M, F, M, Baton Rouge. That

515
00:30:40,959 --> 00:30:45,399
was 100,000 watt flamethrower. I
mean, it just dominated the

516
00:30:45,399 --> 00:30:51,339
market, but we would play that
kind of stuff. And Norman Wade

517
00:30:51,339 --> 00:30:55,299
was another artist down there
that was local. And people love

518
00:30:55,299 --> 00:30:59,619
Floyd brown owned a bar, and he
was very good. Was on MCA for a

519
00:30:59,619 --> 00:31:03,839
little while. But anyway, it's
local to the market. That

520
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,559
station, the local owner, he was
getting older. Anyway, he sold

521
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:10,799
it to one of the big guys, which
eventually became clear channel,

522
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:14,819
and I heart and all that. Well,
when the station got sold, here

523
00:31:14,819 --> 00:31:18,599
came the consultant, saying, Why
are you playing that crap? And

524
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:22,759
got rid of all of it, and we
started playing nothing but

525
00:31:22,819 --> 00:31:27,979
crystal, Gale Kimmy, all of that
really homogenized. No

526
00:31:27,979 --> 00:31:31,279
disrespect to those artists,
because they're great artists,

527
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:35,479
but we totally lost our
identity. Oh, yeah, you know, we

528
00:31:35,479 --> 00:31:39,919
had these goobers coming in,
these consultants coming in from

529
00:31:40,339 --> 00:31:44,019
other markets and stuff that
didn't know a damn thing about

530
00:31:44,199 --> 00:31:48,219
South Louisiana, the people, the
culture, what made us tick down

531
00:31:48,219 --> 00:31:53,319
there and and there was a revolt
from listeners. And thus a new

532
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:57,279
station came into the market,
started playing the stuff that

533
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:01,139
we were no longer playing, and
started kicking our butts, oh

534
00:32:01,139 --> 00:32:05,039
yeah, you know, oh yeah. But
whose fault was that it was us

535
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,659
jocks that they elected to you
know, within six months, you

536
00:32:09,659 --> 00:32:12,479
know those speeches, Johnny,
when our new owner comes in, oh

537
00:32:12,479 --> 00:32:15,419
yeah. Oh, you guys are great.
Nothing to worry about, nothing

538
00:32:15,419 --> 00:32:17,579
to worry about. You're the
reason that we bought this

539
00:32:17,579 --> 00:32:20,299
station, because it's so
successful, and it's all because

540
00:32:20,299 --> 00:32:23,959
of you. That's right. Six months
later, everybody's gone, oh,

541
00:32:23,959 --> 00:32:30,139
exactly. And love that, yeah, so
that, you know, because our

542
00:32:30,139 --> 00:32:34,459
ratings are down, it must be the
jocks. Yeah, no, it's these

543
00:32:34,459 --> 00:32:37,459
Yahoos that they brought. Can
you tell I'm still a little

544
00:32:37,459 --> 00:32:41,139
ticked? This is 40 years ago.
I'm still a little ticked by by

545
00:32:41,139 --> 00:32:41,979
this kind of stuff.

546
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:44,680
Well, you know what they say
about consultants? Jay,

547
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:48,880
consultants are like guys that
can never get a date, but yet

548
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,220
teach you sexual positions.
That's what consults was like.

549
00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:58,180
This is like in Kansas. You
know, when I was in radio, there

550
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,440
an artist that was really big
out there was Rex Allen Jr,

551
00:33:01,439 --> 00:33:05,339
yeah, great singer, yeah. My
uncle played lead guitar for him

552
00:33:05,339 --> 00:33:09,839
for years, really, yeah, yeah.
But Rex Allen Jr had such a

553
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:13,559
smooth sound. Well, like his
father, he had this great voice,

554
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:17,039
right? You know, his father
narrated all those Disney

555
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,979
documentaries and little nature
films. Oh,

556
00:33:19,979 --> 00:33:24,199
exactly. And Rex Allen Jr
narrated me myself and Irene,

557
00:33:24,199 --> 00:33:25,279
the Jim Carrey movie.

558
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:32,060
That's right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's, it's just such a, I don't

559
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:37,100
know, man, it's again, another
reason I think that, you know,

560
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:40,360
the radio's dead and dying and
so forth. You know, they did it

561
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,080
to themselves.

562
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,500
They did it was they committed
Harry Carey, really? I mean,

563
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:48,220
especially when they started
bringing in consultants and

564
00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:51,340
started making everything
homogenized, everything the

565
00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:52,660
same, yeah, one size

566
00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:56,380
fits all, yeah, cutting
playlists down to 20 songs and

567
00:33:56,380 --> 00:33:59,320
playing them over and over and
over,

568
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,540
and getting rid of, you know,
what I really miss are the great

569
00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:08,100
personalities we talked about
the late great coyote mccloth In

570
00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:12,780
a former episode, dude was
phenomenal. I miss people like

571
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:17,760
that. Yeah, that had such a
great talent of, oh, I mean,

572
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:23,960
Jerry house, oh, my god. Carl P
Mayfield, all these guys were so

573
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:24,500
good. You

574
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:27,380
know, you can hear the music
anywhere. What sets the station

575
00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:27,860
apart?

576
00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:32,300
Oh, the personality, exactly,
exactly. I miss the person. Now,

577
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:32,540
that's

578
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:35,240
the thing, is that that's really
upsetting is that radio still,

579
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:39,080
like it doesn't even know its
edge. It doesn't know its edge.

580
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,760
And it's, it's live and local at
all. It's even over podcasts and

581
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,640
digital guys, if you guys are in
charge of the radio stations,

582
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,360
it's live and local. Now, how do
you make sense of that

583
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,940
financially? Is the question.
Yes, you know,

584
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,020
because talk radio too,
especially sports talk and

585
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,740
political talk you're talking
That's an expensive Oh, yeah.

586
00:34:59,740 --> 00:35:01,500
But. It pays for itself, though.

587
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,180
I once had Danielle breezy on my
podcast, usually, oh yeah and

588
00:35:06,660 --> 00:35:09,840
great conversation. Had to edit
a lot of it because, you know, I

589
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,660
got I, you know, basically
brought her into the situations

590
00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:14,940
and areas that she's like, Yeah.
I don't know if I could really

591
00:35:14,940 --> 00:35:19,260
say that, but I basically said,
Look, do you realize the

592
00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:22,400
leverage you have at that
station where you are. I said,

593
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,540
they know that nobody's watching
for the news, right? Everybody's

594
00:35:26,540 --> 00:35:29,120
getting their news off at the
time, Twitter, Facebook, or

595
00:35:29,180 --> 00:35:32,120
wherever you can get it these
days, on your phone. I said, But

596
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,960
dude, when we have a storm
situation, you have eyes on you.

597
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,480
I've seen your Facebook Lives.
You've got five, 6000 people

598
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,420
watching you at a time. And I
said, I don't see any ads

599
00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:47,380
running. What the hell are they
thinking they need to you need

600
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,160
like something in that's running
in a lower third, or something

601
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,740
that you need to be selling
something to get in front of

602
00:35:53,740 --> 00:35:54,040
those eyes.

603
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,740
Well, and look at the girl that
was let go from. Was it Channel

604
00:35:56,740 --> 00:36:01,200
Five? Brie Smith, Bree Smith,
yeah, she's still popular.

605
00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:04,260
Well, she's, she's, she pivoted
into becoming more of a personal

606
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:07,200
brand. Very smart move. It was a
very smart, okay, the same thing

607
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,660
I, you know, I tell about del
giorno, and then when those

608
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:13,080
guys, they were cut loose, it's
like, look, I blew him, him up.

609
00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:15,960
Start A Podcast. I did the same
thing to you.

610
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:17,940
Yeah, you did. Look what
happened?

611
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:23,120
Here we are. Here we are. But
yeah, you're right. Yeah, I

612
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,020
just, I really hate that radio
has gotten away from, especially

613
00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:31,280
music. Radio has gotten away
from the personality, because

614
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,420
that's what really sold it. It
wasn't the music was great, but

615
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:40,960
we also loved, I mean, I love
tuning in to hear some crazy

616
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,500
morning guy, or, you know,
afternoon guy that was just off

617
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:45,040
the wall,

618
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:51,040
and nowadays you're told, don't
talk for more than 15 seconds.

619
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:52,540
You know, that was yours.

620
00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:57,460
Yeah. And also put, you know,
just put out something that you

621
00:36:57,460 --> 00:37:00,240
know, some kind of information
that nobody really cares about.

622
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:05,220
You know, did you know that 300
people a year put up their

623
00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:06,420
Christmas trees early?

624
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,960
Now here's crystal waka.

625
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,320
Waka. Good morning. Everybody.
Good morning.

626
00:37:13,380 --> 00:37:17,340
Yeah, super. 20 minutes on the
back side of the front side of

627
00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:18,360
the 10 o'clock hour.

628
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,320
Don't forget, Wednesday night we
got comedy at the cookhouse with

629
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,100
Wayne Winsley.

630
00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:27,920
Make sure you get your That's
right. Come by for those $5 off

631
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,460
on the pizza super, just super.
That's right.

632
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,360
But we need to, you know
somebody else. Back to the

633
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,020
Country Music Hall of Fame. One
person that's not in there that

634
00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:43,300
I cannot believe. Shania Twain,
yeah, I'm not a Shania Twain

635
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:46,900
fan, but she was a trendsetter.
Oh, and, I mean, you talk about

636
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:51,700
selling records, is Taylor in
there? Big time. I don't know.

637
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:56,200
She is no trace. Adkins isn't in
there. What? No trace isn't in

638
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,600
there. What he ought to be.
Travis tritt, what? Another one

639
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,500
that's not in there.

640
00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:04,260
You know, to be fair, I've
actually, I pulled it up to see

641
00:38:04,260 --> 00:38:08,820
what their process is. What is
their process? Jim CMA elects

642
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:12,360
three new Hall of Fame members
each year, unless there is a tie

643
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,320
in the voting for a category. In
that case, both of who's or both

644
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,560
of those who are tie are
admitted together. For example,

645
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,480
in 2021 Eddie Bayers and Pete
Drake tied in the voting for the

646
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,120
recording and or touring
musician category, and both were

647
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,120
inducted in the Country Music
Hall of Fame. So they're only

648
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,420
allowing three in a year. So,
you know,

649
00:38:32,420 --> 00:38:35,600
yeah, that's pretty used to be
just one. Yeah, it was it. We

650
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:36,440
used to be just one.

651
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,480
And I remember one day, one of
those shows, I can remember

652
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,940
Willie Nelson saying on stage,
we need to open the doors of

653
00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:48,760
this place and let a whole bunch
of them in the, you know, in the

654
00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:52,780
in the hall. And, yeah, so,
right, they certainly need to

655
00:38:52,780 --> 00:38:54,280
expand beyond three.

656
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,180
That's ridiculous, logistically.
What would that look like all of

657
00:38:58,180 --> 00:39:01,260
a sudden, if like, let's have a
mass adoption of all these

658
00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:04,080
artists, how do you make them
feel special? You know what I

659
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,420
mean? Yeah, is that something
that

660
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,940
I mean, the mere fact that
they're being inducted should

661
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:12,060
make them feel special, I would
think. But I understand where

662
00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:13,500
you're, where you're coming
from, yeah?

663
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,020
Because, you know, they do have
egos, and they look, you know,

664
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:20,840
right? It is a very competitive
field. I don't care how much

665
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,200
these country artists or any
artists say they're friends with

666
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,280
so and so. Yeah, they're in
competition, yeah, and they and

667
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,640
they love, you know, when it's
something special, they don't

668
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,640
want to be part of a group.
They'd rather be it's all about

669
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,120
me. Now I have

670
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,540
another interesting story, her
ultimate classic rock, classic

671
00:39:40,540 --> 00:39:45,340
rock.com Jon Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi
is an inductee in the Rock and

672
00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:48,760
Roll Hall of Fame, or a member,
I guess, but Jon Bon Jovi is

673
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,460
not. They actually have their
own section there, too. That was

674
00:39:51,460 --> 00:39:54,520
kind of cool, but he said, to
put it mildly, Jon Bon Jovi's

675
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,920
relationship with the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame has been

676
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,660
complicated. He felt slighted
that his namesake. Band had to

677
00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:03,300
wait 10 years after becoming
eligible to finally get

678
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:06,600
inducted. During their
induction, Bon Jovi joked that

679
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,140
he had written two speeches, one
a thank you speech, and the

680
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:12,720
other, A, F use, blank use.

681
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:17,400
Kind of like what Steve Miller
did when he accepted his speech.

682
00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:20,180
Yeah. I understand he made cheap
trick. Kind of feel

683
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,560
uncomfortable,

684
00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:25,880
uncomfortable because, you know,
John Bon Jovi's got his own

685
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,320
track record and successes.
Well, sure, an artist in his own

686
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:30,500
right.

687
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,160
Well, you also have David Lee
Roth true, you know, David Lee

688
00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:35,000
ought to be in there.

689
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,320
He should, yeah.

690
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:40,660
Well, you know, you mentioned
the Spencer Davis. Spencer Davis

691
00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:47,200
Group, the Spencer Davis Group,
not in there. And, you know,

692
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:47,920
Steve Winwood

693
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,040
isn't either well, and Eric,
Eric Clapton, a few bands. What

694
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,440
blind faith cream. And

695
00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:56,620
Boston. Did you say Boston?
Yeah, Boston's not in there.

696
00:40:56,860 --> 00:40:59,560
That's nuts. That's No, that's
not right, that's a crime.

697
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,600
That's just

698
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,680
and then you have, you know,
deep purple, Richie Blackmore,

699
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,400
he added another band, rainbow.
Phil Collins, they're not in

700
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,000
there. Phil

701
00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:16,740
Collins is not in there. I mean,
it's like, you know, come on,

702
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,520
yeah, I think got more rock than
that. Yeah, they have a cult on

703
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,780
it's not in there. No. Roger
Daltrey as an artist, I guess

704
00:41:23,780 --> 00:41:23,960
not

705
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,260
in Pete Townsend's not in there
as an artist. And he had several

706
00:41:27,260 --> 00:41:31,460
solo bits, Eric and the
dominoes, yep, another Eric

707
00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:33,620
Clapton band. Someone said Devo.
And I'm like,

708
00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:38,660
Yeah, somebody did mention Devo.
I

709
00:41:38,780 --> 00:41:43,900
yeah, I can see that. Yeah. They
don't need to be do Dio, yeah,

710
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,080
he's freaking legend. Yeah, that
dude is a legend. Do ought to be

711
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:47,620
in there.

712
00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:51,280
Now, I'm a big anthrax guy, and
I think they need to be in there

713
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:57,160
because they they broke a lot of
rules. Yeah, they did okay as a

714
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,800
thrash band, yeah, they did.
You're right. You know, they

715
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,900
deserve to be in there. They did
the whole thing with Public

716
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:03,540
Enemy, and it was a lot it was a
lot of

717
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:06,000
fun. Now, if you're going to put
dolly in there, you need to put

718
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,180
there there. There are country
artists that have more rock and

719
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:14,040
roll cred than me. I love Dolly,
yeah, honor.

720
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,540
I know rock and roll. I know
it's hard to say anything, and

721
00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:23,180
we're not saying anything bad
Dolly, but it's, I know it's a

722
00:42:23,180 --> 00:42:24,560
real mixed emotion thing.

723
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,020
Well, it is. I mean, because
there were other country artists

724
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:30,620
that had more of a rock and roll
edge to them, I'd put David

725
00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:35,360
Allen COE in there, because he
actually, he did an album. He

726
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,540
did an album with Pantera that
was quite popular, called Rebel

727
00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:43,060
meets rebel. First time you had
a country artist with a, with a,

728
00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:45,520
I mean, I mean, heavy, heavy
metal band.

729
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:49,780
They were those. They were so
produced, oh yeah, gosh, the

730
00:42:49,780 --> 00:42:53,200
compression on that album. My
goodness, well, gosh, they were

731
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,500
great. They were great bands. Oh
my gosh. I mean, that's, you

732
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:59,800
know, you got, we actually have
their touring now, with Phil

733
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,500
Anselmo and the original bass
player,

734
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:04,260
yeah, but you don't have the,
you can't Abbott brothers,

735
00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:07,500
right? It'd be like touring Van
Halen without Alex

736
00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:11,520
and Eddie, which, I mean, Sammy
kind of did, yeah, did you see

737
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,860
that when they came around here?
Yeah, I went to that show. I

738
00:43:13,859 --> 00:43:18,419
didn't go to the show, but yeah,
I've seen, have you seen David

739
00:43:18,419 --> 00:43:20,659
Lee Roth's? No, some of his

740
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,960
i They came around with him
back, you know, in the, you

741
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,640
know, 2010 2011 Yeah, and he was
singing with them. I just

742
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,180
couldn't

743
00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:33,260
do it. No, I could. Well, I did.
I went to see, I went to see

744
00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:37,400
that it was 2012 when they had
different kind of truth. Yeah,

745
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:41,080
he was bad, yeah, he sucked.
He's just

746
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,460
pretty much talking at this
point.

747
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,320
Well, the thing was, the band
sounded great. Wolfgang did add

748
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,820
a bottom edge to those guys. I
mean, it was, I was blown away

749
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:55,900
musically, yeah. But when they
got to jump the final song, I

750
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,040
was like, why Yoko Ono could
sing this better than David

751
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,660
Lee is wow. Jump never sounded
right live.

752
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,840
No, it didn't. They couldn't.
They never pulled that off live.

753
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,860
It doesn't have the same grit.
No, it doesn't the album. No.

754
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,280
Sammy Hagar is not in the Hall
of Fame either. See, that's

755
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,760
wrong. That is wrong. Sammy
Hagar, you know, that's a rock

756
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,880
and roll iconic voice. Don
Henley, yeah, hole is not in the

757
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:24,020
I'm okay, yeah,

758
00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:28,640
hole, well, I did, I did like, I
did like the one album. What was

759
00:44:28,820 --> 00:44:32,900
the celebrity skin? Yeah, I kind
of like that. Billy Idol, yeah,

760
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:36,860
why is he in there? Yeah, Glenn
Frey is Glenn fry not in there?

761
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,100
I don't, no, no, he's not in
excess,

762
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,240
yeah? In excesses. That's a
crime,

763
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,160
you know, but Hank Williams
Senior is in the Rock and Roll

764
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,480
Hall of Fame. Yeah, I can

765
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,200
understand that Hank Williams
Jr,

766
00:44:53,259 --> 00:44:57,819
I guess, because so many of his
songs, Hank Williams songs, have

767
00:44:57,879 --> 00:45:01,559
been recorded by quote, unquote.
Rock, Pop artist, well,

768
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,880
rock artist, you know, Tom
Petty. I love what Tom Petty

769
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,480
said about he said, all the
country music you hear today,

770
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,440
it's like bad garage, you know,
rock and roll, garage band with

771
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,820
a fiddle. He said, You really
want to get to country music.

772
00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:21,620
Get to Hank Williams and Johnny
Cash. Lenny Kravitz not in there

773
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:22,880
as Johnny Cash in the rock

774
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,600
John. Yes, he is. He should be,
yeah, yeah. But his daughter,

775
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,840
Roseanne, is not in the Country
Music Hall of Fame, and she

776
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,740
should be, yeah. She made some
great records. Yeah, she did.

777
00:45:33,740 --> 00:45:38,180
Man, that seven year ache, which
was her big monster, you know?

778
00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:42,040
Yeah, that did cross over. But
my baby thinks he's a train. Oh,

779
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,880
yeah, you know. And her ex
husband, Rodney Crowell, he

780
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,940
should be in there. Definitely
should be in the country Hall.

781
00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:53,260
Not only a great songwriter, and
had cuts galore by Oak Ridge

782
00:45:53,260 --> 00:45:57,340
Boys, Waylon, Jennings, you name
it, but also had great hits

783
00:45:57,340 --> 00:46:00,960
himself. Hits himself. Yeah, in
fact, off one album, Diamond's

784
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,060
dirt. Did he not have like, five

785
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:07,860
number one songs? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, there's, that's a

786
00:46:07,860 --> 00:46:12,540
crime, you know. And Rodney is
such a, of course, I call him

787
00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:17,280
like a buddies with the guy. But
Rodney Crowell, you know, he is.

788
00:46:17,340 --> 00:46:21,140
He's always been part of that
Nashville clique, for lack of a

789
00:46:21,140 --> 00:46:23,900
better term. So it's surprising
that he's not in

790
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:26,720
there. No, it does surprise me.
And really, you know, when I

791
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:27,980
think about it, Steve Earle
ought

792
00:46:27,980 --> 00:46:31,940
to be in there. Yeah, I think
that he certainly deserves to be

793
00:46:31,940 --> 00:46:35,840
in there at some point. But with
all due respect to Steve, I

794
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,440
mean, he's our pal, but not
before some of these other

795
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,860
artists, well, I would agree
with you on that. You know, the

796
00:46:41,860 --> 00:46:44,080
Eddie ratchets in the world.
Well, you know, Steve Earle

797
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,840
could be in the country. I mean,
in the rock, yeah, in the Rock

798
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,420
and Roll olive thing, yeah, and,
heck, he's done bluegrass

799
00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:51,040
albums. Well, yeah, a

800
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:55,240
complete one with the del
McCarthy band, exactly the

801
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,280
mountain, right? Fantastic.

802
00:46:57,279 --> 00:47:00,659
Yeah. You know, he's one of
those artists that, and I, and I

803
00:47:00,779 --> 00:47:03,779
understand it, you know, he gets
bored, you know, he, oh, I do

804
00:47:03,899 --> 00:47:06,059
see, I want to try new stuff,
man. And

805
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:08,580
he does it all well, that's
what. Because when he, when he

806
00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:11,280
put out the Bluegrass, I
thought, Oh, what are you doing?

807
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,820
What are you doing? You hear it?
I took it home, and I was like,

808
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:15,900
wow, this is,

809
00:47:17,580 --> 00:47:21,080
well, Steve's not gonna let any
crap go out with his name

810
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,800
on it. No, he's not, you know,
he's got a great one out with

811
00:47:24,860 --> 00:47:29,480
was this band, is it reckless,
Kelly, something

812
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,560
like, something like that.

813
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:33,500
But they've got, they've got a
song out right now, and it's

814
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:37,460
really good things called Bad
Girls. Yeah,

815
00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:40,540
yeah. You got to wonder, like,
in either these things, when

816
00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:43,960
they first start them, they got
to know like, look, we're going

817
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:49,240
to be, it's a catch 22 no matter
what we do, we're going to we're

818
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,840
going to not please everybody.
But when you have you know

819
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:56,800
artists that aren't in the
genre, that are getting nods

820
00:47:56,980 --> 00:48:01,800
ahead of the genre, you proclaim
to put out there and represent

821
00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:04,680
what are you doing here? Yeah, I
know,

822
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,740
yeah, that's the only you know,
I'm not been a big guy on

823
00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:12,480
labels, but I do think, like in
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,

824
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,840
if they just call it the Pop
Music Hall of Fame, it's what it

825
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,840
is, and it is that's exactly
what it is. That's what it

826
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,620
should be called.

827
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,040
But you got to wonder, it's
like, okay, if somebody came

828
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,860
along and said, I see what
you're doing, and I'll raise you

829
00:48:24,860 --> 00:48:27,680
and say, I'm going to start my
own Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

830
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,460
and make it absolutely legit.
And we're gonna, we're gonna

831
00:48:31,460 --> 00:48:34,700
induct a whole bunch of people
because, you know, and then just

832
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:35,420
start your own.

833
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,300
Well, I think, I think we have a
plan here, gentlemen, maybe we

834
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:41,680
should be the ones that start

835
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,080
this. Let's, you know, whoever's
interested in investing,

836
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,980
let's, yeah, whoever's out there
and wants to bankroll this thing

837
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,360
for us. Thank you very

838
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,340
much. Yeah, but you know, again,
once you start admitting artists

839
00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:57,580
that are kind of little
questionable as to whether they

840
00:48:57,580 --> 00:49:01,500
should be deemed rock and roll
artists, right? Once you do

841
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:06,060
that, then that's, you know,
it's, yeah, floodgates. Well, if

842
00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:09,300
they're in, then how well, then
you need to put and then there

843
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:12,360
you go, right? I mean, Earth,
Wind and Fire is in the Rock and

844
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,620
Roll Hall of Fame. And I get
that. I mean, yeah, I get that.

845
00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:21,920
You know, they had some stuff
that was, was rock, you know, oh

846
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:28,280
yeah. And, you know, had some
real good rock and roll riffs

847
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,280
and a lot of their stuff. So I
hey, you know, I get it, but

848
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,580
they can also be seen as soul as
well. Yeah, Isley Brothers,

849
00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:38,840
absolutely, yeah. Or Jim those
brothers too. Who's that lady by

850
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,740
the Isley Brothers, oh yeah,
with that fuzz guitar in there.

851
00:49:41,740 --> 00:49:44,920
I mean, that's rock and roll.
Man, yes, it is. You guys been

852
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,980
to the Muscle Shoals Music Hall?
No. Man, I've always wanted to

853
00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:49,420
visit that, but that's a cool

854
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:52,780
place. I bet it is. I went down
to muscle I was kind of

855
00:49:52,780 --> 00:49:56,920
disappointed in Muscle Shoals,
though, because I was expecting

856
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,280
this sleepy, little Alabama town
that. Used to be now it just

857
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:08,880
looks like Murfreesboro. But I
did go by the fame, the fame

858
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,400
recording studios, because we we
got to interview Rick Hall and a

859
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,020
couple of guys, I think it was
David hood and Jimmy Johnson

860
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:25,100
before they passed. But it was
fun interviewing those guys,

861
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:28,940
because I'm thinking, man, these
guys are, you're talking about

862
00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:33,500
history, yeah, you know, with
Rick Hall and especially Jimmy

863
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:37,400
John, Jimmy Johnson, I enjoyed
talking to because he's the one

864
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:42,100
that first produced Leonard
Skinner, and he he blew me away,

865
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:45,460
because I asked him what they
were like. And he said the only

866
00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:50,020
thing we had to teach them was
how to count down. He said they

867
00:50:50,020 --> 00:50:54,520
just start playing. But he said
they were so rehearsed, so well

868
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,060
rehearsed. He said we didn't
have to do too many takes on

869
00:50:58,060 --> 00:51:02,280
them. He said they and he said
they were that way live, too. So

870
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,640
they really did. They weren't a
jam band, right? Said, they were

871
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,900
more of a Ronnie Van Zandt made
sure that everything sounded

872
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:15,000
like the record. And he was such
a task master that he made the

873
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,500
guys play exactly as they played
on the recording. Hmm. You

874
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:23,660
know, they had such a reputation
among many of just kind of being

875
00:51:23,660 --> 00:51:28,400
this wild, scattered, just, you
know, drinking beer, just a

876
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,780
bunch of old country boys, yeah,
a bunch of rednecks and stuff,

877
00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:35,600
which they were, yeah, but from
what you're describing, you

878
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,000
know, it was all business,
though, man, getting in that in

879
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:38,840
some ways, yeah,

880
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,980
studio, as far as the studio
goes, I think you know, Ronnie

881
00:51:41,980 --> 00:51:45,820
Van Zandt was a task master, but
yeah, on the road, yeah, they

882
00:51:45,820 --> 00:51:50,740
were Hell Raisers. In fact,
Ronnie Van Zant, I would have

883
00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:55,120
hated to work with this guy,
because they Ed King told the

884
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,560
story one time about Ronnie
getting so drunk he broke a

885
00:51:59,620 --> 00:52:03,300
lamp. He was mad about something
that happened during the

886
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:07,800
concert, and he was going around
each member, and, in fact,

887
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,060
stabbed Gary Robinson in the
hand. He said, You'll never play

888
00:52:12,060 --> 00:52:16,560
again. Good. I mean, just crazy,
you know, I just don't think I

889
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,380
could have worked with somebody
like that.

890
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:22,520
It's not a big proponent of
healthy culture creation. No

891
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,500
organizations, no, yeah,

892
00:52:24,620 --> 00:52:26,480
they wouldn't put up with that
today in

893
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,020
the good friend of mine who was
my program director at a station

894
00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:34,280
I worked at in Louisiana, the
Leonard Skinner plane crash

895
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:39,320
happened on their land, oh,
Mississippi, yeah, and Phil

896
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,820
Williams is not the bonehead.
That's the reporter here in

897
00:52:42,820 --> 00:52:47,320
Nashville. Tell us how you
really feel. No, this is a Phil

898
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,980
Williams was my PD in radio down
in South Louisiana at one of my

899
00:52:50,980 --> 00:52:55,900
stations. But anyway, his family
lived on, you know, on a farm,

900
00:52:56,260 --> 00:53:00,960
ranch kind of thing, McComb,
Mississippi, yeah. And, you

901
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,740
know, they heard the crash. Phil
was a teenager. Wow. At the

902
00:53:04,740 --> 00:53:08,880
time, they were literally, were
the first on the scene of the

903
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,260
crash. And in fact, there are
you, I think you can find them

904
00:53:13,260 --> 00:53:16,260
on YouTube. They're news
reports, and it's Phil's dad

905
00:53:16,260 --> 00:53:19,500
being interviewed. Oh, yeah,
I've seen all of those. Yeah,

906
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:23,600
interesting. But I, you know,
Phil described the scene. He

907
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,800
said it was pretty gruesome. I
had to be so I won't get into

908
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,080
that. But he said one of the
things that made the biggest

909
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,540
impression on him when they when
they got to the scene of the

910
00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:36,440
crash, there was money
everywhere. Apparently, they've

911
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,540
been playing poker on the plane.
Oh, yeah. They Yeah, yeah. He

912
00:53:40,540 --> 00:53:44,920
said there was, you know, paper
money everywhere, up in the

913
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:49,720
trees and stuff. You said. It
was really eerie, really, but,

914
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,700
yeah, it was pretty traumatic
scene, especially for a teenager

915
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,580
well, and especially a lot of
those old farmers down there.

916
00:53:57,820 --> 00:54:03,240
They because Artemis pile the
drummer, went for help, and some

917
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,420
of the farmers shot at him
because they said we just

918
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:07,260
thought he

919
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,760
was a hippie. They're trying to
shoot you out of the sky. And he

920
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:17,160
survived. Yeah, Mississippi boy.

921
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:24,020
But anyway, I long haired,
freaky people. I hope you read

922
00:54:24,020 --> 00:54:29,360
the sign anyway. I'm reading the
sign here that you know and like

923
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,900
us. Wherever you're at, you're
on YouTube or Facebook.

924
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:36,200
Facebook, we're on Twitter.
We're actually what I'm giving

925
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,900
us on Twitch. Are you getting us
on Twitter? Yes, yes. So, and

926
00:54:40,900 --> 00:54:44,380
again, we will have a full
fledged, full blown website at

927
00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:50,440
circling the drain.net, here
very soon. So we getting merch,

928
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:51,700
man, we

929
00:54:51,879 --> 00:54:54,279
got that. Oh yeah, we got to
have some merch. Gotta have

930
00:54:54,279 --> 00:54:55,419
merch. Gotta have merch.

931
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,500
I gotta say, before we wrap up,
the rock and roll, Hall of Fame

932
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:03,540
is kind. Have akin to the NFL.
There's like a tone deafness in

933
00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:06,180
a way, yeah, especially with the
announcement recently of who's

934
00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:08,340
going to be the halftime
performer. I know it.

935
00:55:08,340 --> 00:55:12,060
Oh man, you're not kidding. Yes,
bad bunny. I

936
00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:18,360
know an anti American, Latino
that doesn't perform in English

937
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,800
that that ought to go over
really

938
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,840
well. But, I mean, it's so tone
deaf. It's Jay Z. I think who

939
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,200
has the control of that he's got
an agreement with. We'll say no

940
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,160
more. Yeah. So he's, he's been
picking all the acts for the

941
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,300
past several years,

942
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:36,380
kind of like Beyonce winning
country Album of the Year, the

943
00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:39,200
Grammy the Grammys. And I don't
have anything against cowboy

944
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,280
Carter. I thought some of it was
good, okay, yeah, I never heard

945
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,380
it. It was not bad. It wasn't
bad. I wouldn't say it was her

946
00:55:47,380 --> 00:55:49,900
version of country, is what I
would call it. I wouldn't call

947
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:51,040
it a country album.

948
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:53,440
And one more travesty of the
Hall of Fame, rock and roll,

949
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,620
Hall of Fame, Roger Waters, not,
no, I'm not really upset about

950
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:56,860
that.

951
00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:59,740
And can you imagine the
acceptance speech you

952
00:56:01,420 --> 00:56:05,340
hear what he said about Ozzy
recently, yes. What a dumb dude.

953
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:08,400
What an ass Jack came out and
went after him. Good for Yeah,

954
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:08,520
he

955
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,960
did. Good for Jack, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Roger Waters is just an

956
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,880
ass freaking pompous jackal.

957
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:18,240
Yeah, he really is. And there
are, you know, well, it's like

958
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,100
we had way days on previously.
And, you know, there's just some

959
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:23,840
like that in the business.
They're turns,

960
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,300
you know, go play your base,
yeah,

961
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,760
go play your bass and go count
your money.

962
00:56:30,140 --> 00:56:32,360
Get out of our life so we'd want
to be back.

963
00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:35,300
Yeah, all right, Johnny, time
for us to go count our money.

964
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:37,460
Yeah, which won't take long. No,

965
00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:40,720
it won't take long because we'll
have plenty to we'll be back

966
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,880
before you know it on circling
the drain. You.