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Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs
Podcast, the show for dog lovers who

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see dogs not as toys or tools, but
wise souls worth our respect and care.

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I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host.

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I talk to poor some humans, people who
do great work for dogs and their people.

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So come and join us for
today's conversation.

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Anke: Hello, and welcome.

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Uh, now that's a good 1.

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Should I say iris like good
Germans, or should I say Iris

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so that English speakers get it?

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I I respond to both.

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Okay.

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I think so.

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Uh, let's just start out where,
you know, where you're from.

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I've already given a
little bit of that away.

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And, um, where you're based
and brought to your business?

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Iris: Yeah.

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So, um, thank you, Anke.

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So I am from, uh, Germany just
like you, and I'm also just

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like you from East Germany.

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However, I grew up in a little village in
the mountains, in the Thuringian woods for

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the first 19, almost 20 years of my life.

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However, for the last 28
years, I have been living here

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in the metro Atlanta area.

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So right now I'm outside of, Um,
Atlanta, Georgia in the United States.

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And again, I've been
here now for 28 years.

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Um, I've had my own business for the
last 23 years and my main business

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is really leadership development.

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That includes, Uh, 1 on 1 leadership
coaching for entrepreneurs,

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executives, uh, uh, business owners.

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But I also have a program called Doggone
Leadership, Which is really a a training

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program, a facilitation program, um,
for leadership development, Where I

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invite, um, the participants to create
a fresh perspective around leadership

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by having conversations about dogs,
About their own dogs, maybe dogs, um,

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or family members or dogs or friends.

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It's really about looking at leadership
In the workplace from a new perspective,

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looking at the relationship with dogs
and see what else they can create

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for themselves and the leadership.

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Anke: I love that so much.

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I mean, I mean, uh, I mean,
I'm obviously curious.

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Like, when how did you
discover your love for dogs?

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And how or what point was there a
specific insight where you go, oh,

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I could take this in into the work?

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Like, dogs I mean, I always say
my dogs are my wisest teachers.

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Right?

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And you can really if you look at them
As, you know, wise beings who are kind

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of way ahead of us in a lot of things.

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Right?

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So if you look at it like that, you
can see lessons It's everywhere.

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So I would love to hear a little bit about
what was that moment for you where you go,

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oh, there's really I can really showcase
or, like, show leadership specifically

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through the eyes of or through the lens of

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of

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Iris: dogs?

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Yeah.

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So that was really something
that grew for me over the years.

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It started out for me Where I had
my first dog, Sito, um, in 2001.

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Uh, and we did short term training with
him, um, or Personal protection training.

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Now the name has changed to IPO, but I,
um, I have done this competitively with

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him because he loved the work so much.

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And you know, at the same time
when he then retired and got older,

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I, I said to myself, wow, I have
now so much knowledge about dogs.

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I don't want this to fall asleep.

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And I also don't want to have a younger
dog just so that I can keep on competing.

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Now What can I do with this knowledge?

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And so at that time, the idea came
up for me to do workshops for rescue

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groups, to raise money for rescue groups.

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And so when people came to these workshops
and the dogs stayed at home, I just asked

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them, you know, what are your questions?

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What are some of the issues that
you are dealing with with your dogs?

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I explained it with my own dogs or I
explained it to them how I would handle

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the situation and how I would Could
help them improve this by sharing ideas.

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And so out of that, then people came
to me and said, would you come to

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me to my home and help me with that?

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And so really it was over the
years that I, um, developed this,

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this, These workshops for dog
owners to learn more about dogs.

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And since I had been leadership
coaching already at that Time.

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Oftentimes, I brought in examples
from the leadership coaching to

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explain A scenario around the dogs.

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And then when I had these,
these conversations with dog

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owners, but then I was coaching
people in the leadership Space.

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I brought examples from me training
dogs to share with them something that

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they experienced in the workplace.

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And so really for me, having These 2
businesses with the running side by side,

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eventually, I was able to merge them into
1, which is now the Doggone Leadership.

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I love it.

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I

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Anke: love it.

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I mean, I must say, I actually
use a lot of doggy stories.

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You know, when when I kind of the stuff
I write on LinkedIn or whatever, It's

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it's quite often an observation or
something that happened with the dogs.

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And I'm like, yeah.

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Isn't that interesting how it's exactly
the same way you're building a business?

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Right?

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So there's really no difference.

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Yeah.

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Iris: And there are many
parallels with the dogs, right?

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And then there are many things that
are the opposite, But even when you

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have an opposite, you still can turn
it around and then say, all right,

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but this is now how it works with
the, With the humans here, this is how

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you can apply this in the workplace.

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And not only that, it's like, you
know, with with dogs, Because of their

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cuteness, because of the place that
they have in our lives, they also

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have a special place in our hearts.

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And I always say, you know, when
it comes to humans and their dogs,

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oftentimes, you know, you, they,
they turn off their, their brains and

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they are leading with their heart.

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And then when people go to work,
what they often do is they,

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they function from the neck up.

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They leave their heart at home.

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They are Putting their guards on
their shields on and, and they

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walk into the workplace thinking
they have to protect themselves and

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function from, From the, the neck up.

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The dog on leadership is really about
merging the 2 with the dogs where

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we really also use more of Our head,
because there are a lot of mistakes

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that dog owners make where dogs are also
silently suffering because humans are

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Functioning too much from their heart.

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And then at the same time, again,
bringing more heart into the workplace.

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Oh,

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Anke: now let's unpack that a little
bit, you know, because the bring

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your heart into the workplace, Yeah.

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That's kind of like but so in
what what have you seen where dog

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owners lead, like, kinda too much
with the heart, like, Bringing a

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little bit more head in that space.

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Like, what are some examples
that would illustrate

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Iris: that?

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Oh, there are plenty of examples, But
you know, the best example is when

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people, um, adopt a dog And let's
say they know the story of the dog.

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Maybe the story was chained up in
the backyard somewhere or the dog was

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found on the And so oftentimes when
people get the story of the dog and

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the dog's story, the past has not
been as As positive, there are a lot

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of people who feel sorry for the dog.

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And then what happens is with that Sorry
energy with that weak energy, they want

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to to bring comfort to the dog, But
they don't necessarily lead the dog.

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When you have a dog like that, especially
that has been abused or maybe is fearful

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or shy, The last thing that this dog needs
is is comforting calm or comforting and

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sorry feeling energy, But it's really
more what they need is confident, calm

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leadership energy that pulls them out of
that fear and shyness And really helps

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them to, um, um, let go of some of the
things that they experienced in the past.

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Anke: That's that's fascinating.

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I was just thinking, oh, that's
a topic that's a topic for,

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you know, panic panic to peace.

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That's a whole different Different
different conversation, but

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it does make a lot of sense.

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Right?

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And and, I mean, especially when you
look at dogs, like, You know, when you

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see them running around in the little
wheelchairs, you know, they don't

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seem to feel sorry for themselves.

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Right?

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They're, like I think They're such masters
of you know, of of just, like, getting

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on with things or accepting what is.

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And then, You know?

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And they'll run around happily in
with however many legs they have or

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whatever, you know, the equipment is.

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Yeah.

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Iris: Yeah.

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I had an interesting interesting
you mentioned wheelchair dogs.

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Because I had a foster dog a couple
of years ago who had, um, He probably

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had already back leg issues from
while he when he was born, or maybe

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his mother stepped on his legs.

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And And so he had really
bad, um, hind legs.

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And but, you know, I always said
everything From the waist up

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was functioning well and what
he did not have in his hind

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legs he had in his personality.

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He just was 1 of these kind of dogs.

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He you know, looking back at him
now, I mean, we just have to smile

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about all of the things Auggie
had when it came to Personality.

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And nothing stopped this little guy.

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Nothing.

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Anke: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean and I think that is
that is something that that

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I'm Quite passionate about it.

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Because so often people are like,
oh, you know, the rescue dogs and

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all the trauma they've been through.

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And, You know?

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And I think the last thing we
want is make it worse, you know?

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Iris: Right.

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Right.

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And not only that, you know, oftentimes
I say, Um, especially for people who say,

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well, you know, I want to go to a breeder,
um, because I don't want to have a rescue

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dog that was thrown away by somebody else.

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I don't wanna adopt
somebody else's issues.

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Right?

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And From the 1 on on 1
hand, I can get that.

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Right?

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But when I look at it from the dog on
leadership perspective, Um, you know,

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you don't find many people who come
to the workplace without any issues.

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Right.

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It just doesn't it just
does not work like that.

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And so as a leader in the
workplace, you gotta be flexible.

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You you gotta be able to pull the
people forward that you may have had

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maybe have been traumatized by another
manager or leader in the past Where

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they had a bad experience as well as
the young, um, students that come out of

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college, maybe don't have any experience.

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So as a leader, as an effective
leader, 1 has to be flexible to

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meet the people where they are and
then take them to the next level.

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Same as with the dog.

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You are taking in a rescue dog, whether
he was traumatized or not, whether

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he has been with somebody else for a
long time or not, It does not matter.

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You take you you take the dog
where the dog is, and then you

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take the dog to the next level.

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Actually,

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Anke: this just reminds me there's
a there's a dog trainer who who has

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actually written a book about, You
know, what having dogs or training

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dogs taught him about parenting?

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Same thing.

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It's not hard to see, right, how that
would how that would be, you know, very

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much the same where it's either the
similarity or the contrast That really

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helps that really helps us, um, you know,
see see things in a in a different way.

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Is there something that, Well,
if there's something is is there

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something where you think, oh, boy.

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I wish people just knew This thing, is
there something you wish that people

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Iris: knew?

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I wished people knew that When they are
fully committed and consistent in their

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relationship with their dog, It will
not only strengthen the relationship

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with their dog, but it really will
strengthen Their outlook on life and

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what they can accomplish in life.

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Oh,

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Anke: I love that.

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I love that.

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I mean, it's I mean, if I'm looking
like, yeah, these 4 legged souls have

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definitely made me better person.

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That's for sure.

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You know, I'm definitely not
the person that I was when, you

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know, when Leo first found me.

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That's that's for sure.

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Yeah.

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So where can so is I mean, well,
actually, I was just gonna round it

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up, but then there's, like, oh, no.

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That's 1 more thing.

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Yeah.

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I'm gonna ask.

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So your clients don't have to have a dog.

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Right?

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Iris: No.

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Anke: Yeah.

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They don't.

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The the the the examples or, like,
you look at things to the lens?

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So if you have somebody who goes, I think
dogs are waste of space, you probably

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that's probably not a good client for you.

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Iris: Well, and, you know, again, if if
somebody says I don't have that passion

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for dogs, um, that's completely fine.

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That doesn't mean that they can't
See anything for themselves or that I

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can't work with with people like that.

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Um, again, there are many
stories that I use from dogs.

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And again, the more people in, for
example, in a group have dogs, then

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the more we can also use exercises that
they They can do with the dogs at home.

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And again, and here's the
interesting piece about it.

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When, when I do my, my training,
that does not mean that people bring

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their dogs Because we don't wanna
have that kind of, um, turmoil.

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Right.

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In the boardroom, but we
are using the stories.

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We are using examples from the dogs and
not only that, oftentimes I then share

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with them exercises that they can do
At home with their dog so that they can

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practice whatever they learned during the
training and the workshops So that they

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can apply it at home with their dogs.

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But then once they see how it has an
impact on the relationship there, Then

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it's much easier to translate it into
the workplace and say, oh, you know what?

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It really makes a difference.

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So I feel now more comfortable
to apply it in the workplace.

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And you

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Anke: can't trick a dog.

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Right?

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I mean, I think a dog is a
great training place as well.

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Right?

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Because you you might be able to
Pull wool over the eyes of your

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colleagues, but you're not gonna drink

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Iris: it all.

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Right?

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No.

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No.

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Not at all.

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Because they sense your energy.

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They they are not looking at titles or how
much money you make or what role you have.

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No.

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They just look at you for who you are
And the energy that you are exuding.

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And, you know, and based on that,
you can read from their behavior.

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You can have really Deep, um, and
impactful conversations about leadership.

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Love that.

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Anke: So beautiful.

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So where can people go find out
more about you, about your work?

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Where's the best place to connect?

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Iris: I mean, the best place to
connect is through my website iris

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grim dot com, or I'm also on LinkedIn.

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Again, my name is Iris Grimm with double
M, just like the fairy tale brothers.

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And when they go on my website, there
are also a couple of, Um, giveaways and,

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and, um, that they can, uh, subscribe to.

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So, um, yeah.

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And of course Then I have also, um,
monthly programs, um, that are free

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where people can sign up from Something
called, uh, forever your dog, which is,

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uh, what I call a dog owner support group.

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That is more for the dog owners
who really want to take, um, Who

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have some questions about their
dog behavior or health or training.

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And then I also have a canine leadership
circle, which is really about Taking

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that conversation into the workplace
and having deep and rich conversations

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about, uh, leadership, Uh, improvement.

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Lovely.

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Anke: Well, thank you so much for coming.

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I think I think you're gonna have
to be back at some point because

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I this sort of somehow feels
that we're not I can't get here.

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So okay.

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So Anytime, Anke.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, and bye for now.

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Iris: Okay.

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Thank you, Anke.

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Thanks so much for listening.

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