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Hey everybody and welcome to Tier One
Interventions podcast, where we look

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at your core classroom and we try to
maximize your gifts and help you reach

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every student with their math, with their
writing, and with their reading skills.

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But we concentrate mostly on math here
at Tier One Interventions podcast.

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And our math leader, miss Jonily, is
ready to share some gold nuggets today.

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Welcome to the podcast Jonily, and
they are gold nuggets because these

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last few weeks have been a whirlwind.

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I'm gonna kinda take us back a little
bit, and there's another community that

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I teach called a Math teacher Mastermind,
and I'm going to launch our session today.

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I'm gonna take you back to a
story I started to tell soon.

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Now, this story is about the 12 song.

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So I haven't even got to the 12 song yet.

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But see, I had to give the
background story for the 12 song.

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But then during this, now I'm making
a point here on about linear and

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iterative teaching style, which is
gonna connect back to a story that I was

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telling previously about 14 years ago.

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Teacher of record.

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I'm now teacher of record.

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I wanna tell you something about dah.

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I'm gonna tell you that now.

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'cause see, I never finished that story.

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See, this is how my brain works now.

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My brain works in a very nonlinear way,

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but I believe it's increased my iq.

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I also believe it has increased my
productivity, my efficiency, my executive

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functioning, and it's also increased
my expertise in my content area.

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The only way you're going to be able to
scale your intelligence, your performance,

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your efficiency, your productivity, the
results you wanna get, I'm telling you

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here right now, the only way you're gonna
be able to scale that is if you start

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thinking non-type A. You gotta get out
of that type A. You gotta get out of it.

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You can go back to it.

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It's important too, but you have to start
thinking in different ways, which are

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very non-linear, random, don't help me.

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Switch tasking type of ways.

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Now, no offense to the men.

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I think there's a research study.

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If not, maybe this is just somebody's
opinion, but the woman brain, 'cause

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we always say, oh, women are so much
better at multitasking than men.

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I will tell you though, women are
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from one thing to another that are not
connected and making it all happen.

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So you really can't multitask.

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That is, let me repeat
that in a better way.

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You can't multitask with two
cognitive exercises at the same time.

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A coach of Sherry and I Carrie
over Brenner, brilliant man.

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Shout out to Carrie over Brenner.

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He would talk about this all the time.

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You're really not multitasking.

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That's the phrase people use.

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You're actually really good at switch
tasking, which means you can jump

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from one thing to another and get more
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That's switch tasking.

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That's what I'm talking about
with this non-linear thinking.

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But Carrie ob Brenner used to have two
people come up like on stage and have both

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of them tell him a story at the same time.

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Different stories just to prove
like you can't fully listen to.

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Both of those are cognitive exercises.

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Those are cognitive tasks.

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Now I can listen to a podcast and I can
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Carrie would use that as an example
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it all the time, it's a non-thinking task.

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Okay?

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And I can do that while
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Do you see?

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Our brains and bodies are magnificent.

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But I wouldn't call that multitasking
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cognitive functions at the same time.

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But what females oftentimes are
forced to do is to switch task.

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Now I'm gonna say this a
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mean to be sexist or whatever.

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The male and female brain are different.

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I'm not gonna get into that.

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But I will say anyone who's gotten
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I do know personally of some single
fathers that are doing amazing.

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And at first they were like not doing well
with life and the kids and functioning.

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And so anyone that can get really
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in this nonlinear way to strive to
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produce more, all of that, this is the
type of thinking I'm talking about.

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So when I had the kids repetitively
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them to two other questions.

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And then I might have even wrote,
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squares and rectangles relate?

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That's an even bigger jolt.

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This is what we need to be
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Like within, within 12
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So let me go back to this
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So after 14 years of not being teacher
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parent teacher conferences last week.

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The students that are struggling
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that are struggling most with my
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say the majority of them are female

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and the majority of them that are
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of math instruction and facilitation
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good play the school game kids.

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I actually said this to their parents
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Does everything Absolutely.

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To the point that they are to
do that are a gem personality.

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Beautiful.

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But there are a lot of math gaps
and I need to be real about that.

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I don't give a lot of
participation points.

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I don't give a lot of completion grade.

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Oh, you did your homework, 10 outta 10.

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Ooh, that's hard because that's
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percent in math right now.

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A grade to me is how much of
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Now the grade to me is personal
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content, that's on me, not the student.

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So see, there's a catch 22 here.

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So some students that are used
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all of a sudden be getting 83%.

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And this is causing huge devastation.

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But then one of the parents I met with
last week, the dad said, because I thought

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I, I felt that some of the families
that came in were very upset with me.

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They were very gracious.

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But I get this a lot too, especially
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of years ago, very gracious to me, just
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And all it takes is just some
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And so I said everything and I
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And one of the dads said to me, I re I
really appreciate what you're saying.

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He said, because we have a har, we've had
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she keeps getting an A in math, but she's
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Repeat that, that's worth repeating.

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I was going to, and I was forcing
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So here we go again.

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The dad says to me, it really made
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the last years, I'm gonna say,
this student is a ninth grader.

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They take the state test from third grade.

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Why?

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She would always get, a's in math, her
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but then we would get the state math
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end of the year and she hasn't passed.

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That's a, that's a problem.

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That's a problem on so many levels.

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Now I've been on way too
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So we need to transition.

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I'm gonna transition
with how do we fix this?

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How do we fix this?

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We fix it with Mastery Math method,
tier one interventions, and at

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the level two level, everything
we do comes back to lockers.

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Rectangles pizzas.

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Oh my.

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So here we go.

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Now I'm gonna jump into the content,
but before I do, let me not like speed

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by any of your comments or feedback.

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Let me pause for a moment.

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Any thoughts, comments, feedback,
or take this moment to put any

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comments in school, please.

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But unmute and talk if you would like to.

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I think the people that have been using
the school chat are offering really

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valuable little tidbits of advice.

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Thank you, Natalie.

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Thank you Kirk.

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Thank you Janet.

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Thank you Kathy.

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So refresh your screens and
put your comments in there.

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Tell us verbally what your takeaways
are, and you never know when

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Sherry's gonna use that material.

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I 100% agree.

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I have major beef with our like,
current grading scale, like the

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a hundred percent grading scale
and participation and all that.

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'cause yeah.

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How do you get these kids that
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compliant, but then that doesn't
reflect their knowledge of math?

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And then participation looks
different for everyone.

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Like I have kids that
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That doesn't mean they're
sharing out their thinking.

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But they're participating.

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They know what's going on.

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So then you're bringing in your
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And then how do you call that a great,
so I'm very, I have tried very hard

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to make it as mastery as possible
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I don't do participation, I
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com, a lot of completion stuff.

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I've made rubrics and scales for
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trying to show mastery within that
system, but I have major beef.

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Can we also overhaul the grading scale?

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Can we add that to our mission?

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Please Tell us more about that, Natalie.

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'cause I think I might know
what you mean, but tell us.

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I just, we have, I know, there's a whole
debate if they don't do it, that like

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we're setting kids up by not some places
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but then we also give way more chances to
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So I'm like we're setting them
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'cause they have all these chances.

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Yes, I, and we can go back and
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and zeros and all that, but.

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How let's just make it about the math.

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Take judgment, take bias out of it.

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And you either have the
standard mastered or you don't.

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And it's not a judgment on character,
it's just communication on what I teach.

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I don't teach co compliance.

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That's not, I want that, but
that's not what I'm grading on.

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I just want to say you're,
we have the standard or not.

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And that, that's it.

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And not being an a student versus
an F student, it's just data.

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So let's fix it.

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Let's just overhaul the whole thing.

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Beautiful ground and start over.

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I I am put in a vote right now that on
another day at another time, we create

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a podcast episode with us on grading.

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100%. I am all in.

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'cause I've worked very hard the
last few years on this, and I

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have, that's my one of my major
soapbox points is that I love it.

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I love it.

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Other thoughts, comments,
questions, takeaways?

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I also had a funny one.

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It's not like singing to activate
learning, but every time we're like, I ask

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them something that they have to remember
and I can see they're thinking real hard.

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And I say, oh, we gotta dig deep in
our brain pocket and dust it off.

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I'll sing Celine Dion.

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It's all coming back, it's
all coming back to me now.

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And they hate it so much
and I love it so much.

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And it just, they're
like, what are you doing?

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And I'm like, we're thinking and we're
remembering and you forgot and now

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you're trying really hard to remember.

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And it brings me so much joy.

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Anyway.

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Oh, Natalie, I'm just
looking at your comment.

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In school, no one has ever
accused me of being type.

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Oh no one in, I am so I don't even know
if I'm type B. I think I need a whole new

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Le I'm probably like type Z at the ZWI.

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You are your own type.

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Natalie.

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You go girl.

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No, but type A. Not this girl.

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Never.

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No, she's not, never once.

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She's not, she never been.

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She never will be.

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Nope.

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I'm a I'm a reformed type A.

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See, here's what really triggered
me from going to type A to not.

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Is, I always thought I
was gonna be a girl mom.

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I was a pretty girly girl.

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I was a cheerleader, a dancer.

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And I was get, I was
supposed to be a girl mom.

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And then, the nature of it said no,
you're not going to be a girl mom, ever.

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So I had two boys.

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And if you want to, if you wanna
be forced out of your type A

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personality, just raise boys.

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Just raise boys.

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Kirk, I'm really sorry.

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Today, this seems like a bash on the
male, but I mean that in all goodness.

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I'm used to it.

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But here's the thing, and I tell my
boys all the time, I tell my husband,

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I tell my boys all the time, I said,
I am who I am today because of you.

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I would've never experienced
you all listening and watching.

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You all would've never experienced this
type of Jay-Z without the boys in my life.

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They have made life so much more fun.

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I do not sweat the small stuff
any, when you're Type A you sweat

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a lot of small stuff that's bad.

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It's very bad.

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It, you can't you gotta if you
wake up breathing in the morning

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and you can get outta bed like.

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Let go of some of your type A because
life can be so much more beautiful

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when boys teach you how to live it.

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So thank you Kirk.

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I agree a hundred percent.

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I'm a boy mom as well, and I am type Jay-Z
I love a lot of stuff you're saying I can

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mirror and I've I appreciate the research
that you're sharing because I've done

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all this stuff, but when you bring it up,
I'm like, that's why that's so effective.

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And so that helps me keep being my
silly self because the kids respond

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to it and I have a lot of positive
feedback after they go past my class.

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But yeah, when you can teach boys, you
can teach anybody, that's for sure.

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Whew.

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culture, and what it really means
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