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Hello and welcome to the Gay Man's Coaching podcast with me, your host, Keegan Hurst. Um, this is

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the podcast for gay men who want to build a life that they're proud of. Look in the mirror and feel

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proud of the person that they see. Um, I'm really excited. I want to I wanted to talk to you about.

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I want to talk to you a bit about something personal, actually. Um, I've been diagnosed with

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depression, and I wanted to talk a little bit about that. I also wanted to talk about, uh, a bit

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of a perspective shift that I have had that I took from a guy called Peter Crone, um, who does a

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lot of mindset work and talking about how we can often feel that we're lacking in areas of our

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life, but actually we're not lacking we, for whatever reason, find out in ourselves,

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intentionally blocking things out. So, you know, if you find yourself without maybe you feel you're

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not having connection, there's probably a reason that you're blocking it. And maybe to do saved it.

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I'm going to kind of get into that. Um, but I just want to share before I do that. Um, we have

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got our leads event coming up soon. Uh, one on one coaching. Um, and a massive action

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there. Uh, that's the GMT game. Sorry, the day after. And then we've got our massive action day at the

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at the end of the month in Edinburgh. And I just want to say this last week I was in Belfast. I

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flew over to Belfast on Sunday evening. Um, my, one of my mentors, uh, coaches, a guy called Phil, he

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lives in Belfast and he had an event on for other business owners on Tuesday. Uh, and my

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coach. Uh, because coaches have coaches. Oh, they should do. Um, he lives in Belfast. Uh, so I went

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over early on the Sunday. I went over on Sunday and got in a session with him on, on the Monday.

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I cannot stress this. I cannot stress it. It's so important to

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connect with people who are in a similar spot to you or, you know, obviously I

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my I have my coach because he's a great coach and he helps me improving things, but we're

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able to chat about business. We're able to chat about life. You know, we have similar goals and

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dreams and ambitions and challenges, and to be able to talk with someone on that level where

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you can talk about how you want to challenge yourself, how you want to grow, or how you're

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having particular challenges because you're stepping into a new identity or doing something

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new and not feel the need to have to explain why you're doing that. It's such a it's

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it's so empowering. And then being in a room with, you know, I was with other fitness coaches, I was

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with other business owners with my mentorship. You know, again, it's really important to be in a room

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where there are people who are in front of you, the people who are behind you, but you all have

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that similar aspirations, goals, challenges drive a willingness to.

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It's it's like being in a shared, uh, it's like being in a, in a team, you know, there's a shared

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goal, and that shared goal is growth. Um, and you find that it's often not

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the stuff that comes from the coach or the mentor. And we find this when we have our massive action

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days. Obviously, there is a lot of value to be taken, and there will be things that are taken

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away and that you implement. But I feel that the thing that always sticks with, with me and what a

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lot of our clients say when they come to our in-person events, is the conversations that they

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have with other people, because that realization that you are not on your own. That you there are

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people doing what you want to do. There are people who have done what you want to do. There are

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people that are trying to do what you've already done and being able to have that conversation. And

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one of the best ways, in fact, the best way that we can solidify our own

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learnings and understandings of things is teach it to somebody else, distill it down and give it

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to somebody else in practical, implementable tips. And that's why there's that old adage that if you

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can't explain something to a four year old, four year old. You don't really understand it yourself.

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And so when you go through a process, a challenge, a growth, whatever it is and you

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experience it and you're able to then see someone who's going through the same thing and be able to

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relay that to them and say, my experience, I did this, this and this. This is what I found that help.

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This is what I found that didn't it? What that is, is then it's positive, um, reinforcement

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about what you have done and it becomes more a part of your identity than it was before. So

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everybody everybody wins. I always remember a rising tide lifts all ships. And if

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I have always valued coaching because of obviously because of rugby and

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I am I am where I am in life because of, because of the coaches that I've had in the mentors that

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I've had. But even after rugby, I believed people when they said, you know,

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don't, don't make your own mistakes, pay somebody else to who's made the mistakes and they can help

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you save time. And I've done that. And when I first invested in Phil as a mentor, I

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paid it was I think it was about 8,000 pounds to work with him. It was my entire life savings. It

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was my life savings. And I thought, I'm going to take a punt on myself. And something that another

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mentor of mine came and said to me. He said the cost to work with someone is part of the coaching

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of working with that person, because you have to have some skin in the game and you have to take

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that chance and bet on yourself. And that in and of itself is a big nod and a big movement towards

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the person that you want to be, because you can sit there and go, oh, that's too expensive, that's

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this, that's that. But the return, an investment in itself is never a poor investment. And, you know,

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being in a room with other people who are doing what you've done or have done, what you want to do

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is never a poor investment. And even now, with a successful business, um, you know, I've been a coach

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for a long time. I know a lot of shit. There's still things that I'm learning. There's still ways

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to improve. The world is always changing. Um, I cannot stress the importance of getting in those

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rooms. And if you ever feel like you're falling behind in life, not fulfilling your potential, I

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can guarantee you I'm not getting in those rooms, I guarantee it. I don't even know it. Need to know

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anything about you. If you are feeling like that, you're not getting in those rooms and you're not

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getting in them regularly enough. Um, so this episode I wanted to talk about, um, kind of

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a bit of a perspective shift that I had from listening to a guy called, uh, Peter Crone,

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and he was talking about how what we are missing in our life is

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rarely absent. It's usually just just blocked. So, you know, you don't need to seek out love and

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health and money and peace. It what has actually happened is, for whatever reason, we often build

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barriers that Stop them coming into our lives. Our stop is experiencing them. So it might sound a

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little bit woo wah, but I was recently diagnosed with depression and I've probably had it

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for well over a year right after actually having that conversation. Um, and someone

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saying, you know, a professional saying you are depressed. Um, you know, days where I've struggled

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to get out of bed, where everything's been a slog, feeling bleak, you know, there have been times

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where I've thought, I don't want to be here anymore. Not that I'm always going to do anything

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about it, but, you know, it felt quite lonely, and. And I isolated, um,

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I think, and so I've been something that I've been proactively doing is trying to talk about that

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because I think it's my initial response to it was feeling shame, feeling guilt, feeling, you

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know, I'm a coach, I should I'm supposed to have all my shit together. I'm a leader. I've got a team,

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I've got kids. I've got, you know, I should have all my shit together and I shouldn't be struggling

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with this, which is obviously bullshit because it's okay not to be okay. Um, so something that

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shame, shame lives in the shadows and it lives in not speaking about things. So something that I've

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been trying to do is talk really openly and honestly about it. I've spoken to a couple of

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friends and it's interesting the different takes that people get. Um, and one friend talked to me

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about, uh, Jim Carrey, uh, and he, he said that depression is, uh, a

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symptom, a sign that an old version of you is living a life that they don't want to live

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anymore. There's something not aligned there. Um, and another friend, slightly different take

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said everybody focuses on trying to fix depression and remove depression, when really, if

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you think about it, rather than trying to remove the depression. What if you try and add in more

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happiness and contentment? And that usually comes down to alignment, right? What do you really want?

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How do you want to achieve it? How do you want to live your life? But I thought they were for, for

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want of a better phrase, two cheeks of the same ass, uh, in that they were saying similar things in

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that it's, you know, it's our responsibility to get an understanding of what is it that's making us

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feel this way, and what do we need in our lives to to change it? Um, and what have we

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built into our lives, whether that's the systems, the relationships, the way we do things. It could

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be our work. It could be where we live. It could be so many things that can cause it. Um, and then I

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saw this, uh, I remember this by Peter Crone and kind of getting back into it. And he says when he

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talks about love, he says, don't seek for love. Seek for the barriers that you have built against it.

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And you can you can adjust that to anything. Right? So you can adjust that to health, money, peace,

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connection in me talking about depression. You could say contentedness because I feel like

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happiness is like a happiness happens in a moment. Contentedness is something that runs through our

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lives. You know where we can go? Yeah. I'm happy. I'm okay with my life. You know, I'm content. And I

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think that's something to strive for. Versus happiness. Happiness feels like a spot on a map

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versus a level. So don't seek for contentedness. Seek for the

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barriers that, in my case, that I have built against it. You know, a feeling of always having to

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be on. A feeling of always having to put other people's needs ahead of my own, a feel of, you know,

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being, being, having to present a particular way. Um, which, even as I say, that sounds hypocritical when

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I talk about authenticity, but there's this dilemma that I find myself in where, well, you know,

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maybe I'm supposed to have everything figured out and I'm helping people. Um, but, you know, this

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episode isn't about chasing more and adding more into our lives

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because we are constantly bombarded with news information. Do this. Don't do this. Add this.

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You need this product. You need need. Need, need more and more and more. More. It's about taking

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responsibility for the things that we've actually added into our life that are in the way. Um, and

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the reason that we do that is the, the default behavior is usually that we are looking outwards.

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We're searching, we're constantly looking to consume more content material.

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We're looking to optimize. We're looking to make things efficient. We blame timing. We blame people.

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We blame blame circumstances. But what we need to do is we need to flip that around and ask, what am

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I doing, consciously or unconsciously, that keeps the things that I want in my life out?

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So when we lack things, it's often an old protection

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mechanism, safety mechanism that we have built up to keep people out. You know, often people feel

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lonely, don't spend time with connection because they're terrified of rejection, or they're

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terrified of not feeling enough or of having to perform. And so it becomes a self-fulfilling

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prophecy. It's very rarely bad luck. And don't get me wrong, we all have bad luck and circumstances

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and things that happen to us. But just really think about that question, whether it's whether

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it's money that you maybe don't have as much money in your life as you like. What am I doing,

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consciously or unconsciously, that is keeping it out, you know? Are you actively not going for

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bigger jobs, better paid opportunities? Are you actively spending to, um, soothe

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yourself? You know, take take another area? Uh, let's take love and connection. What am I doing,

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consciously or unconsciously, that keeps it out? And think about what those barriers might be.

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There might be emotional armor where you are dry and ironic and

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witty, but you're never. There's no sincerity. You can't take a compliment. You feel like

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when you do, when you give a compliment, they're going to think, um, that you're taking the piss or

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something like that. Maybe you use humor instead of honesty, you know, and you're always the funny

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guy, or everything turns into a joke. Um, something that I've certainly been guilty of when it comes

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to this is using independence as avoidance. I'm an independent person. I don't need somebody else. I

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don't want people encroaching on this. And, um, and the kind of byproduct of that is that we say that

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we have high standards, but they become walls that keep people out. Um, we always and

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again, as someone who's probably had depression for well over a year, I'm fine. I'm

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okay as a reflex rather than saying, you know, I'm struggling, I need help. Um, I'm feeling a

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particular way, you know, those are some just really simple ones that so many of us do. And

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especially as gay men, especially as gay men, they are kind of built in into our chording

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of why we are the way we are, because we've had to protect ourselves. But those old protections from

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being kids and younger men, they do not serve us when we are trying to build love and connection

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in our lives. As mature adults who are operating in a safe space, who have control over their own

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lives. The issue when it comes to love and connection is that we don't lack love. We all have

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a love innately in us and we will experience it at really weird times. I remember I've been

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watching the Winter Olympics when they were on and I saw, um, the Swedish women's team win the

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gold medal and I just burst out crying. Um, and I just thought about all the hard work and things

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that they put into it, and I'm even kind of getting emotional thinking about it now. Um, like,

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we, we have that humanity and compassion in us innately, and that love and that connection,

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we just often block it out. And that's because we lack we feel that we do not have the safety of

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being seen as who we fully are. Um, and then you can flip that around and you can look at

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the, the barriers that we put up to, like health and well-being, which might look like self neglect,

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and we disguise it as busyness. I'm too busy to go to the gym. I'm too busy to eat. Well, I always find

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it. It's interesting when people say they're too busy to go to bed on time, or to not scroll on

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their phones in bed. Um, you know, we use that as a as a barrier, as a block, as a

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equals reason. We use food and we use alcohol as coping, whether we're coping with stress or

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boredom or anger or frustration or whatever it might be. You know, that it's like driving with a

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handbrake on when we do that. Or maybe we those people who need to fitness. These are punishment,

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um, and we punish ourselves because we ate that pizza yesterday. So I need to train X amount of

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times through the week and do this or, um, I've not done what I said I was going to do. So I'm going

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to go on the starve myself and then go on the StairMaster and and bury myself. Or the classic

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one when it comes to health and wellbeing, is those all or nothing routines I'm going to be all

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on. I'm going to be perfect. I'm going to do that. And then and let's face it, when it's all on

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nothing 90% of the time it's nothing. Um, and then we shame ourselves and we guilt ourselves and we

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should ourselves don't should on ourselves. Guys, health isn't something you find again. It's

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part of who we are. But it's something that we need to stop sabotaging. We get in the way of

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ourselves. I'll never forget this conversation that I had with someone who joined GMC, and they

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said if I was to join GMC, what would be the reason that if it didn't work, why wouldn't it

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work? And my initial response is the response that I still stick with now

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is you. Our job as coaches at GMC is to get people out of their own way, because we

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can innately make progress and build the lives that we want. It's the stories that we tell

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ourselves that get in the way of it, and we call that self-sabotage. You can look at money and

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abundance and barriers that we put up there, things like fear of visibility, going for that job,

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going for that role, being the leader, standing out, having high standards. We feel guilt around

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wanting more because other people, maybe other people don't want it. And, you know, does that make

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us, uh, you know, gold diggers or whatever it might be? Or if we come from maybe a less affluent

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background, you know, people saying, oh, you've changed and we feel guilt about it. Well, maybe

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you're a contractor or a consultant or a business owner and you're under charge. You're under

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charging for your service. You devalue yourself. Uh, often a big one that stops people earning more

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money and having just more abundance in their life is they're crippled with self-doubt and they

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mask it as humility. Um, I think that's something I've done in the past is

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do that, like dress up, pretend that I didn't have self-doubts. You know, people would often think of

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me as a confident person and this forthright person, but I would often downplay some of the, um,

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things that I've done, the things that I've created, the people that I've helped and mask. It

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is humility or the classic one when it comes to people not having the

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finances and the abundance that they want is that I'm not that type of person. I'm not the type of

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person who sets up a business. I'm not the type of person who goes all in on something. I'm not the

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type of person who's willing to go for that promotion and put themselves out there. Again. It's

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bullshit. It's limiting beliefs. Abundance and earning is not blocked by ability,

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it is blocked by identity. It is blocked by the. I'm not that kind of person. That's not meant for

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me. That's bullshit. It's all the stories that we tell ourselves. It's. It's the stories that we tell

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ourselves that get in the way, you know, and we can look at. Lastly, you know, when it comes to our

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piece, I know lots of people in 2026 have said that they want to focus on peace and fulfillment

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and feeling connected. So what the barriers look like that stop us from doing that constant

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stimulation, scrolling notifications, going into emails late at night, looking on our

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phones for problems, getting overly invested in politics. And listen, I know the world is a fucking

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shit show at the minute, but as an individual there is only so much we can do. Now, don't get me

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wrong, everything that we do as an individual matters. But once you do your bit, you've done your

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bit. Do what you can and then, you know, rather than constantly trying to stimulate yourself, it's that

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it's that like that other barrier noise, just adding things into our life that we don't need in

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there. Distractions, noise, um, news that isn't going to really impact

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our life. There was a story the other week about a monkey, a macaque called punch that had been, um,

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abandoned by a group of other monkeys in it. As much as, like, it was really cute to see him

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dragging a monkey teddy around. I was also like, this is really fucking sad. This is really not a

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nice thing. And I mean, I felt like I was invested in so much of my time and energy into worrying

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about, is this monkey going to be okay? And it has absolutely no bearing in my life. And I'm not

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saying that we should cut ourselves completely, but there there is a tipping point where that

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just becomes noise that distracts us from the things that we want. Comparison is a huge barrier

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to peace and fulfillment. One of the first and best piece of advice that I ever got after I came

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out from my very good friend and a very wise man, Anthony Cotton told me. He said, the day that

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you can wake up and not give a fuck about what other people think about you, is the day your life

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will change. Um, because comparison does hold us back and it stops us and it makes us

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do things, performativity and worry about things and do things for the sake of other people rather

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than what we want. Um, and, and the last barrier that we have to our peace and

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fulfillment is just not sitting still for long enough to feel peace and fulfillment. Peace scares

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people. Peace scares people who learned early that calm and stable means danger. And I

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totally relate to that. You know, I my life has always been chaos. Um, whether it's to do with

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parents or family or being repressed and repressing my sexuality. Um, and so when I

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got we find this with clients all the time, they start to get a handle on their life. And, um,

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stillness kind of comes in and we take the chaos out and they suddenly go, fuck, this is really

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alien. This is really weird. Um, and we need to we need to allow that peace to

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come into our lives. So, you know, obviously our past plays a role in this. You know, we

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build barriers to survive, to get through things. They are things that kept us safe once upon a

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time. And the thing is that they are not wrong. It's easy to look at them and go, oh, I'm a fuck up.

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I made these systems that are blocking me from from my life. They're not they're not wrong.

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They're just outdated. And you know, whether it was love feeling conditional or success feeling like

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approval or rest, feeling like it was laziness or asking for help felt dangerous at some point,

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those protections become limitations. So let me say this really clearly.

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This is not about blaming parents. This is not about saying that you were broken. This is about

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taking responsibility. Responsibility is not punishment. It's power. And I had a conversation

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with someone who John GMC last week and he said, I feel really shit that I have made all these

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decisions. And I'm at this point in my life where I don't like where I am. I have done this to

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myself. And I said, the flip side of that is that if you have had the power to get yourself into

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this position, you have the power to get yourself out of it. And I wholly believe that, um, and you do

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not remove barriers by hitting yourself. You remove them by becoming aware of them and knowing

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that you deserve love and starting to move them out of the way. So. To round this up, I want

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you to ask yourself, you know, whatever you feel that you're lacking, is it love? Is it health? Is it

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confidence? Is it money? Is it peace? Ask yourself, what am I doing? Or avoiding that

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keeps that out? Are you avoiding difficult conversations? Are you avoiding consistency? Are

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you avoiding rest? You are avoiding avoiding visibility or authenticity. And then ask yourself,

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once you've got an answer there, you know, I'm avoiding consistency or I'm avoiding visibility

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and or difficult conversations. Ask yourself, when did I first learn that this wasn't safe?

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And go back to that and you will start to see a pattern, and then you can start to build it. You do

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not. As I always say to people, you do not need to become somebody new. You just need to stop

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protecting yourself from the life that you actually want. I think that is really important. So

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I hope me sharing a little bit about my story. I hope this has helped. Um, guys, I'd love to see

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you at some of the events that we've got coming up. Um, you know, if you're part of GMC, everything

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is in the hub. If you're not, you can just reach out, uh, support@coaching.com, but otherwise I

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will see you next week. I will speak to you then. Stay safe. Don't eat and drink and behave at the

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expense of how you want to look and feel. And I'll chat to you soon.