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I'm Travis Bader
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From the mind of Minolta.

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It's been 12 days.

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And in the last 12
days we've had what?

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11 shootings?

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11 shootings in outdoor
environments and public

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places throughout the,
what we call the Lower

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Mainland here for
our friends outside

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of British Columbia.

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So I'm sitting down
today with Paul Ballard,

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Paul's a regular
mainstay here on The

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Silvercore Podcast.

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And in a former life,
he was a peace officer

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for a local municipal
police department.

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Let's say major,
municipal police

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department.

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Well, the largest
one around here.

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Yes.

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And you did that
for how long?

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35 years just looking at
my calendar yesterday.

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It's been seven years
since I retired.

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And how's that feel?

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And it's pretty
hard to wipe this

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grin off my face.

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I saw that post as well.

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And you brought up a
very interesting point.

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You said, you know,
there's probably going

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to be people out there
that are interested in

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some more information on
basic urban awareness.

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Yeah.

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When we kind of pitched
this back and forth,

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uh, we were one of the
things that struck me in

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particular was a number
of people when they're

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being interviewed after
something like this

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happens, who will say,
I can't believe it.

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I didn't know
what was going on.

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In my neighbourhood,
I can't believe

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this happened.

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And, and, and again,
sort of what I consider

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to be to the typical
victim response and, you

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know, people who lack
preparedness for things,

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they're either completely
oblivious or they're in

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a deep state of denial
and that can put them

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in a position where
their reaction, uh, and

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perhaps they would have
not even found themselves

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in those places.

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If they get rid
of that denial.

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They make themselves
a little more aware.

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And, and that's the
thoughts that we're going

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with today, I thought.

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Well, we were kind of
spit balling back and

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forth the best way
to put this across.

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And the more that
we thought about it,

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the more we realized
that this is just not

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a singular episode,
this isn't just

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one, one and done.

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It's too big.

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And so we thought about
what if we break it

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down, generally speaking,
into a before, during

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and after, event.

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And that event could
be anything it could

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be you're sitting at
the cactus club out

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in Burnaby and you
start hearing the pop,

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pop, pop, like what
happened a few days ago.

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Or it could be that
you're on public transit

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and you find yourself in
a situation where there's

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an assault of individual.

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It could be
anything really.

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And that's just, it,
it, it really is.

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Um, we're going to take
it from law enforcement

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or, or street survival
training, uh, as it

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was referred to in the
past and try and talk

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about it in terms that
are applicable to what

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isn't, an unarmed citizen
likely in, in Canada.

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Uh, there's not an
opportunity for people

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to be, you know, in that
position where they would

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be armed with a firearm
to defend themselves.

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So we're now going to
be looking at ways to

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first of all, avoid it.

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Uh, secondly, if it
does happen, how to

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mitigate it, and if it
does happen, how are you

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going to get yourself
right after the incident?

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You know, you know,
there's lots of

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things that we talk
about in survivor's

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remorse and so on.

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And we'll talk
about that.

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But I, I think, you know,
the emphasis is there's

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a before there's a during
and there's an afterward

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to any critical incident.

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And that's what
we're talking about.

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Awareness of an incident
becomes critical and

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it's not just gunfire,
it's not a targeted

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hit on some criminal.

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Uh, well, let's look
back a few months

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to what happened
in North Vancouver.

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You know, an individual
armed with a knife just

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starts to maniacally
start slashing and

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stabbing and, and happens
in the end, you know,

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and, and again, listening
to people who were there.

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Their words are, in
my neighbourhood,

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I can't believe it.

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You know, I've never
seen anything like that.

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And that's the words of a
person who really hadn't

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thought things out.

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Right?

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So let's address that.

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That's that's the,
before the event, let's,

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let's adjust a mindset.

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So that we're
ready for that.

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When I took a look at
all of this, really the,

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before the event, that
encompasses the majority

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of what can really
keep a person safe.

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Correct.

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All of this time, that's
can be spent thinking

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practically, thinking
tactically, and putting

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your head into a space
of what, what if it

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could happen to me?

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Correct.

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And, and that is that,
you know, if you blindly

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go ahead thinking that,
you know, I've got out

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of bed this morning and
I'm going to go to bed

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tonight without anything
affecting my safety, my

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health, um, the safety
and the health of my

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family or those people
that are around me.

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You're going to get
into that position where

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it's going to happen
and you're not going

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to, you're not going
to be ready for it.

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So before, it's all
about having a plan and

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one of the first and
most important things

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I believe in that plan
is recognizing that

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it's not necessarily
going to happen, but it

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very well could happen.

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And if you're
there and it is

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happening, immediate
recognition of it.

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So again, the mind in
denial, sound a gunfire.

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Oh, fireworks.

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Okay, why would there be
fireworks going at seven

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o'clock in a parking
lot on a weekday night.

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Right?

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And those are the sort
of things that you

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have to, you know, stop
trying to rationalize

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with what your personal
values are or your

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inability to explain.

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If it sounds like
gunfire, it's gunfire.

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If there's smoke coming
from it, it's a fire.

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If something's in their
hand and people are

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bleeding, it's a knife.

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It's real, it's not
like a movie, it's not,

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you know, something
that, that your, your

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belief system doesn't
want to accept.

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You have to accept it.

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So that's the first
thing in, in when we

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talk about before, accept
that it could happen.

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And when it does happen,
you're recognizing

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it for what it is.

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So I find, quite often
people will come up

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and they'll release
stories of something

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that happened.

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It might not be as
spectacular as what's

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been reported in
the news lately, but

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it was definitely
something very, it was

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a big event for them.

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Traumatic.

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Right.

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Altering.

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Right.

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And the couple things
that keep coming up

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with these individuals,
number one was like

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what you were saying,
never thought it

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could happen to me.

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They never
mentally prepared.

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And I know we're going
to talk a little bit

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about what that mental
preparation looks like.

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But the other thing
that tends to come

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up is, they didn't
know how to respond.

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They didn't know the
legal framework that

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they could work with
and they didn't know

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what they were actually
allowed to do out

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of fear of possible
future repercussions.

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And that can all be
mitigated with a little

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bit of pre-learning and
a little bit of role

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playing and understanding
a few of the principles

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that we're going to talk
to talk about today.

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Yes.

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And we're going to
talk about before,

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so you need to think
about that before.

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So then when it does
happen, it's not at a

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cognitive level that
you can respond, you're

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going to do it through
reflex because you've

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practiced or, or have
downloaded it to yourself

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to, to know to do.

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So again, we got to come
back and you need to know

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legally what can I do?

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Practically what
should I do?

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What are my priorities,
all of that has to

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happen before something
bad occurs in your

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life, you know?

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And so again, starting
with it can happen.

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So we've accepted
that, but can we

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predict exactly what
it's going to be?

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And that is the
conundrum with a lot

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of people in, in, in
their acceptance of it

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is, well how do I know?

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How do I know it's going
to be in a drive through,

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how do I know it's going
to be on a transit bus?

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How do I know it's
going to be in

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front of a library?

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Well, the deal is,
you don't know.

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But through a repetitive
visualization or

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scenarios, you, as you
walk into the library

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today, just go, Hey,
if some guy came with

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a knife at everybody
in general, where's my

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escape route from here.

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How's the fastest way
for me to exit the zone

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that this guy is now
occupying or dominating.

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And you know, people
think it's crazy and

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it's not paranoia, but
are you always looking?

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Can I get between
these planters that

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are lined up, you
know, into the walkway?

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So we have the idea
of the library, it's

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a welcoming place.

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You know, you're going
to have a grand entrance,

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there's probably going
to be planters heading up

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there, but is there space
between the planters?

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Am I going to have to
get up onto a planter to

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get away, to move beyond.

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When I see something,
if it's a knife,

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what do I need to do?

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Like what what's going
to protect me from a

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knife and distance of
course, is that thing.

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A knife is a contact
weapon, it can be

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deployed very quickly, it
can be very devastating.

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If somebody gets to
you with that knife,

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there's the problem.

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But if you could get this
table that we're sitting

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at here between the knife
wielder and ourselves,

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that can certainly
slow things down.

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If you can get onto the
other side of a car.

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And even if you start
doing a roundabout thing

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until the, your attacker
realizes that they

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should come over the car,
you've got a physical

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barrier that's probably
going to keep you alive.

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And this is something
to think about, well,

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how does a knife work?

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You know, what's,
you know, what's the

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effective distances of
a knife and, and you

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honestly don't have
to read books on it.

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You just, as a practical
person, get somebody else

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to get a wooden spoon in
the kitchen and see how

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fast they can touch you
with the wooden spoon.

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But now get in the
kitchen, go to the

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other side of the
Island in your kitchen

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and can they touch ya?

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And, and how is
the person reacting

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with a wooden spoon?

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These sort of little
scenarios that could

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be done in the home
can all serve to

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download and pattern
your subconscious to be

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ready for that moment.

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And that's,
that's the thing.

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We, we need to look
at it that way we

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need to, you know,
continually rehearse.

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I'm driving down the
street, I look over

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and there's a guy with
a handgun shooting

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at somebody else.

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What do I do?

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I don't slow down to
look at it better, I

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immediately turn right
and start to drive as far

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away as I can, because
that's not something I

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need to be a part of.

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And recognizing that
telling that yourself,

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I see a gun, I go.

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Hmm.

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I don't try and stop,
get my cell phone out.

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I go.

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So why, why don't we take
a look at, uh, the basic

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colour code says some
that's taught to a lot

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of people on, and I've
seen different studies on

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the colour code system.

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And some people talk
about it being a tool for

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situational awareness and
other people talk about

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it as a tool for, uh,
making the decision to do

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something, but whatever
you want to use the

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colour code system for,
it gives a very quick and

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easy, I find, visual that
you can apply if you find

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yourself in a situation.

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Yeah.

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And so, I mean, we
look at the origins

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of the colour coded
system, which, you

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know, the three colours
go back to the US army

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airborne forces in
the second world war.

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Um, I believe the, one
of the greatest studies

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of personal survival
in any environment was,

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uh, Colonel Jeff Cooper.

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And he went on to make
five colour-coded levels

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and, and really go on to,
uh, in a very descriptive

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fashion of only Jeff
Cooper could, um, say

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what each one of those
colour codes meant.

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But, you know, we go
from white, yellow,

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orange, red, and black.

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Right.

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And when can we
be in code white?

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We'll basically as you've
locked the doors to your

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house and you've turned
off the light and you

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pull up the sheets to
go to sleep, because

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that really is the only
time it's acceptable to

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be completely unaware
of your situation

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because you're asleep.

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They say white,
the awareness

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level of a victim.

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Of a victim.

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And realistically that's
where the majority

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of people operate on
a day-to-day basis.

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Problem.

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Huge problem.

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Headphones on phones,
heads in their phones,

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looking on the ground
as they walk around,

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not  paying attention
to their surroundings.

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Making eye contact
with other people

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on the street.

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Like that's a,
that's a huge thing.

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When, you know, studies
of people that have

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been victimized is,
you know, the, you

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know, tim timidity
on their own part.

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Like it's okay to look
in somebody's eyes until

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you look in their eyes
and you realize, hey,

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and pardon this term,
that person's crazy,

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I need to not make
eye contact because

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that's going to only
exacerbate a situation

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And that's, that's
a tight rope.

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Eye contact it's a
tight rope, too much

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eye contact that
could be, you could

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be  perceived as.

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A threat.

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Asking, a threat.

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So it's a matter you
got to look at people's

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faces though, to see, you
know, what's coming next.

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And looking at your
phone, looking at your

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feet, looking at your
screen, none of that's

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a good place to be in.

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And we're, you know,
all people will argue

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and say, well, you
know, this is the way

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of the world today.

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Well is 11 gunfire
incidents with deaths

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and injury in 12 days,
you know, is that

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a good way to live?

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Yes, they're not your
friend or my friend

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is what we would, you
know, air quotes, normal

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people be, uh, these
guys are gangsters.

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They have a value system
that does not exist in

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our world, you know,
their, their value of

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life, their need to do
these things in public.

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We can't, we can't
apply ourselves to

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that and that that's
a struggle as well.

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Well, as of today, the
papers are reporting

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that at least in one
of the incidences,

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there was an innocent
person that was injured.

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Was injured.

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Right.

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So th and there might
turn out to be more

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Right.

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You know, both of us are
extremely familiar with

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the use of firearms,
in particular handguns.

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None of these bad guys
are going to the range

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and training themselves
to be the best shot

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that they can be.

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It's not like law
enforcement where

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their training is a
heavy, heavy emphasis

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on target awareness.

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And what's between
you around, beyond

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your target.

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And they're not
talking about that.

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They are dialed in often
they're going to be

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high to build up their
courage and, and, you

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know, so judgment and
all these things are

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going to be effected.

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And it doesn't matter
who you are, you take

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those stress levels of
going in to take a life.

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Even if it is, you know,
a person lacking in, in

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values, perhaps, uh, you
know, we don't need to

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diagnose it, but likely
a sociopath that's

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willing to do that.

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They're still going to
be jacked and they're

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not going to be paying
attention to those sites.

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And you know, it's
getting as much out

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of the end of that
barrel as possible in

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the direction of their
intended target and then

00:16:47.880 --> 00:16:48.660
getting out of there.

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So we've got
condition white,

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essentially awareness
level of  a victim.

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Then we go to
orange where your.

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Yellow.

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Pardon me, I
skipped a step here.

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We go.

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You were looking too
far up on the sunrise.

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I was.

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Yeah.

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From white to yellow
and yellow, you're

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casually aware.

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Yeah, casually aware.

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Yellow is how we
should all live, at

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all times, until we
have a  need to go to.

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Then you're
in the orange.

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Right?

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Orange brings you
up to the next level

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where, so something
might be happening.

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And for people to
understand, you're

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walking down the street,
you're in yellow,

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you're looking at people
coming towards you.

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You're checking vehicles
out that are driving

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down the street.

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There's a car,
you're approaching an

00:17:32.639 --> 00:17:35.310
intersection, it's making
a left turn and you

00:17:35.310 --> 00:17:37.199
kind of casually glance
to make sure that it's

00:17:37.199 --> 00:17:39.540
completing its left turn
and not under-steering

00:17:39.540 --> 00:17:41.189
the turn and get them
out the curb in front

00:17:41.189 --> 00:17:42.840
of you and run you
down on the sidewalk.

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And I mean, that's
the way you should be.

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You should be, not,
you know, oblivious to

00:17:49.560 --> 00:17:50.699
all this stuff, right.

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And again, it might
be just an accident

00:17:52.889 --> 00:17:55.230
that you could avoid
by just being aware.

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Hey, that car
is not going to

00:17:56.850 --> 00:17:57.780
make that corner.

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It's coming onto
the sidewalk.

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So now, condition yellow.

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Let's continue on.

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Uh, we're just
pulling into the,

00:18:06.780 --> 00:18:09.960
you know, local, fast
food drive through.

00:18:10.260 --> 00:18:13.260
And now we realize
there's cars ahead of us.

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A couple of cars
have pulled in behind

00:18:15.210 --> 00:18:18.090
us and if something
happens, how am I

00:18:18.090 --> 00:18:18.750
getting out of there?

00:18:18.780 --> 00:18:21.960
It will my car get
up over the curb or

00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:23.700
am I going to have
to exit my vehicle?

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If a shootout begins,
you know, in this

00:18:25.890 --> 00:18:29.690
situation, it's just
casually look, make that

00:18:29.700 --> 00:18:30.540
little bit of a plan.

00:18:30.540 --> 00:18:31.950
You know, what, if
something bad happens

00:18:31.950 --> 00:18:34.530
in this situation,
I'm going to go there.

00:18:34.620 --> 00:18:37.980
And then if it were
to occur, in another

00:18:37.980 --> 00:18:40.590
drive through, in
another city under a

00:18:40.590 --> 00:18:43.110
completely different,
you know, corporate

00:18:43.110 --> 00:18:44.250
banner above you.

00:18:45.179 --> 00:18:47.760
That little bit of
rehearsal that code

00:18:47.760 --> 00:18:50.580
yellow, you know,
planning, thinking has

00:18:50.580 --> 00:18:53.250
downloaded and your
subconscious will draw

00:18:53.250 --> 00:18:55.800
that up and you may be
able to react properly.

00:18:56.080 --> 00:18:57.870
And they call
those heuristics.

00:18:58.050 --> 00:18:58.679
Heuristics.

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I'd never heard that
one before, but.

00:19:00.500 --> 00:19:02.240
So they say
from experience.

00:19:02.270 --> 00:19:02.570
Yeah.

00:19:03.320 --> 00:19:05.270
And that could be an
experience physical

00:19:05.270 --> 00:19:06.860
experience you've been
in or something you've

00:19:06.860 --> 00:19:08.540
developed through
mental role playing, you

00:19:08.540 --> 00:19:11.330
develop these heuristics
where you will sort

00:19:11.330 --> 00:19:13.850
of subconsciously pull
upon the positive,

00:19:13.850 --> 00:19:16.190
desired result based
on prior experience.

00:19:17.060 --> 00:19:17.330
Right.

00:19:17.360 --> 00:19:20.120
And then it didn't
really happen, but in

00:19:20.120 --> 00:19:22.440
your mind, it, because
you played it through

00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.110
in a, in a theatrical
sense, it's there

00:19:25.110 --> 00:19:26.250
and it's ready to go.

00:19:26.250 --> 00:19:30.389
So now we're walking
down the street and

00:19:30.389 --> 00:19:31.290
we're going code yellow.

00:19:31.290 --> 00:19:32.760
When we start to
look ahead, there's

00:19:32.760 --> 00:19:34.560
somebody approaching
directly towards us.

00:19:35.010 --> 00:19:37.139
He is mumbling
to himself,

00:19:37.170 --> 00:19:38.910
he's looking down,
he's got his hands

00:19:38.910 --> 00:19:40.139
jammed in his pockets.

00:19:40.410 --> 00:19:42.810
You can see him turning
and aggressively looking

00:19:42.810 --> 00:19:44.520
at people ahead of you.

00:19:45.450 --> 00:19:47.460
We now move from
yellow to orange.

00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:50.910
There is something that's
out of the ordinary.

00:19:51.149 --> 00:19:53.340
There is something that
could potentially become

00:19:53.340 --> 00:19:56.700
a threat to us, our
family, to our wellbeing.

00:19:56.700 --> 00:20:00.210
So, as a regular person,
what are you going to do?

00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.030
Well, how about start
moving away from that

00:20:03.030 --> 00:20:04.440
person's intended path.

00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:06.330
Maybe it's going to
require that you step

00:20:06.330 --> 00:20:08.910
right off the sidewalk,
uh, start walking in

00:20:08.910 --> 00:20:10.650
the gutter a bit, or
maybe it's time to

00:20:10.650 --> 00:20:12.660
turn and jaywalk and
go across the street.

00:20:13.620 --> 00:20:15.960
You get across the
street, the guy passes,

00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:16.980
he continues on.

00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:19.290
Now you go back to
yellow and continue on

00:20:19.320 --> 00:20:20.160
the rest of your day.

00:20:20.550 --> 00:20:23.940
And I think, you know,
when you really start

00:20:23.940 --> 00:20:27.450
to become a practitioner
of preparation or

00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:32.460
a practitioner of
true awareness, your

00:20:32.460 --> 00:20:34.680
life continually
hovers between

00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:35.940
yellow and orange.

00:20:36.690 --> 00:20:38.820
And it's recognizing
once you move into that

00:20:38.940 --> 00:20:42.480
orange state of mind
where your focus is on

00:20:42.540 --> 00:20:45.450
that perceived potential
possible threat.

00:20:46.755 --> 00:20:50.205
It's you can, you can
really start to calm

00:20:50.205 --> 00:20:52.275
yourself back down
with the threat ceases

00:20:52.275 --> 00:20:54.915
to exist, and you
don't get into that

00:20:54.915 --> 00:20:58.425
paranoid state or, or
where you, you know,

00:20:58.425 --> 00:21:00.545
start to get nervous.

00:21:00.635 --> 00:21:00.995
Sure.

00:21:01.025 --> 00:21:02.915
And you can't live and
you can't enjoy it life

00:21:03.215 --> 00:21:06.245
and all that, that,
that really is part of

00:21:06.245 --> 00:21:07.925
understanding how to
move back and forth.

00:21:08.165 --> 00:21:09.965
So if we're going to
move past orange to

00:21:09.965 --> 00:21:13.544
red, now the fights on,
the situation change

00:21:13.554 --> 00:21:14.425
was a bit differently.

00:21:14.655 --> 00:21:14.985
Right?

00:21:14.985 --> 00:21:18.405
And so you have,
now let's go back

00:21:18.405 --> 00:21:19.245
to our scenario.

00:21:19.245 --> 00:21:22.604
We're seeing this guy
approaching and you

00:21:22.604 --> 00:21:24.465
can't move quick enough.

00:21:24.524 --> 00:21:28.185
The distance is reduced
you're in code orange,

00:21:28.185 --> 00:21:30.344
you're paying attention,
you're focused on them.

00:21:30.614 --> 00:21:33.165
You're starting to think
I've got to do something.

00:21:33.165 --> 00:21:35.655
And suddenly a knife
comes out of his pocket

00:21:36.044 --> 00:21:39.614
and he starts to slash,
and he's not slashing at

00:21:39.614 --> 00:21:40.814
the person ahead of you.

00:21:41.024 --> 00:21:43.455
He's not slashing at
the person beside him.

00:21:43.455 --> 00:21:44.834
He's coming
straight for you.

00:21:45.405 --> 00:21:48.435
And now you realize
the threat is real

00:21:48.705 --> 00:21:49.814
and it's imminent.

00:21:50.084 --> 00:21:56.504
And I have to, without
any, I guess the

00:21:56.504 --> 00:21:59.565
word would best be
compassion for anybody

00:21:59.565 --> 00:22:02.264
else involved, I
have to deal with it.

00:22:02.715 --> 00:22:05.355
Now, if you're physically
capable and prepared

00:22:05.625 --> 00:22:07.695
and if trained, maybe
you're going to try

00:22:07.695 --> 00:22:10.725
and physically defend
yourself from that knife.

00:22:11.955 --> 00:22:16.215
But if you're 65 years
old and you got two bad

00:22:16.215 --> 00:22:18.705
knees and you know, you
don't move that well,

00:22:18.705 --> 00:22:21.705
maybe I need to put
something between me and

00:22:21.705 --> 00:22:22.935
that guy with the knife.

00:22:23.264 --> 00:22:27.675
Maybe I have to clearly
step well out of his way,

00:22:27.675 --> 00:22:29.925
get a car, get on the
other side of a car, do

00:22:29.925 --> 00:22:31.034
something of that nature.

00:22:31.545 --> 00:22:33.645
If I got to get out of
there and there's people

00:22:33.645 --> 00:22:36.615
in my way, here comes
that compassion thing.

00:22:37.004 --> 00:22:41.325
You know what, it's
you first with your

00:22:41.325 --> 00:22:43.305
family, because if
anything happens to

00:22:43.305 --> 00:22:46.185
you, you, you can't do
anything for your family

00:22:46.185 --> 00:22:46.995
or your loved ones.

00:22:46.995 --> 00:22:49.395
So really I, that
may be another thing

00:22:49.395 --> 00:22:52.065
we need to put into
priority you, your

00:22:52.065 --> 00:22:55.935
family, your friends,
other people around,

00:22:56.715 --> 00:22:59.925
innocent bystanders
are just a barrier to

00:22:59.925 --> 00:23:03.105
your escape, or you're
leaving that zone and

00:23:03.105 --> 00:23:04.335
the bad guy himself.

00:23:05.385 --> 00:23:07.395
There's no compassion
for that person.

00:23:07.725 --> 00:23:09.045
They've made
their decision.

00:23:09.345 --> 00:23:11.355
And if there's something
that you have to do to

00:23:11.355 --> 00:23:13.095
them, you have to do it.

00:23:13.185 --> 00:23:15.465
And you have to do it in
a ruthless fashion but.

00:23:15.485 --> 00:23:16.985
With speed,
with aggression.

00:23:16.985 --> 00:23:17.425
With aggression.

00:23:17.735 --> 00:23:22.375
And, and again, with
no feeling, like there,

00:23:22.375 --> 00:23:25.805
there cannot be anything
but purpose, you know,

00:23:25.805 --> 00:23:28.115
whatever fear you
might've had to that

00:23:28.145 --> 00:23:31.475
point, it turns into
righteous indignation.

00:23:31.625 --> 00:23:33.845
How dare you do
this to my family?

00:23:34.115 --> 00:23:35.585
How dare you
do this to me?

00:23:35.915 --> 00:23:37.475
And that will
give you the focus

00:23:37.475 --> 00:23:38.225
to deal with it.

00:23:38.285 --> 00:23:43.290
But again, if you're not
physically capable, and

00:23:43.290 --> 00:23:44.820
that's the thing we're
talking about here.

00:23:44.820 --> 00:23:49.020
We're not talking a, an
armed society or a place

00:23:49.020 --> 00:23:51.659
where you can legally
be armed here in Canada.

00:23:51.659 --> 00:23:54.240
Unfortunately, that's
the way things are.

00:23:54.750 --> 00:23:56.820
And I don't think it's
ever going to change.

00:23:56.820 --> 00:23:58.620
So I don't think there's
any government going

00:23:58.620 --> 00:24:00.030
to come in here and
say, you know what

00:24:00.629 --> 00:24:03.450
we need to, we need
to allow our citizens

00:24:03.450 --> 00:24:04.320
to arm themselves.

00:24:04.350 --> 00:24:05.460
That's not
going to happen.

00:24:05.909 --> 00:24:08.669
So now it's, you know,
for you to be smart,

00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:12.675
knowing that you have
perfect rights to

00:24:12.705 --> 00:24:15.285
defend yourself against,
you know, injury.

00:24:15.285 --> 00:24:17.775
You, you know, there's,
there's that aspect of

00:24:17.775 --> 00:24:20.505
it, but perhaps your
greatest option is always

00:24:20.505 --> 00:24:23.505
to get out of that, that
zone, get away from it.

00:24:24.195 --> 00:24:26.835
And again, it may
mean pushing, uh, an

00:24:26.835 --> 00:24:28.605
older person to the
ground so that you

00:24:28.605 --> 00:24:29.445
can get past them.

00:24:30.045 --> 00:24:31.845
You know, when you look
around and everybody's

00:24:31.845 --> 00:24:34.575
standing with mouths
agape, and eyes

00:24:34.575 --> 00:24:37.365
like saucers, that's
not your problem.

00:24:37.905 --> 00:24:40.455
They are now a bit of
a, well, they actually

00:24:40.455 --> 00:24:42.045
are your problem if
it's going to prevent

00:24:42.045 --> 00:24:44.265
your escape, you
have to worry about

00:24:44.715 --> 00:24:46.305
nothing except going.

00:24:46.455 --> 00:24:48.225
So it means pushing
somebody down,

00:24:48.225 --> 00:24:49.245
stepping over them.

00:24:50.730 --> 00:24:52.260
They weren't here
listening to what we're

00:24:52.260 --> 00:24:53.220
talking about now.

00:24:53.570 --> 00:24:56.370
And then the final part
would be condition black.

00:24:56.450 --> 00:24:57.150
Condition black.

00:24:57.560 --> 00:24:59.570
And that's when you
become overwhelmed by

00:24:59.570 --> 00:25:01.970
whatever the situation
is and that's kind

00:25:01.970 --> 00:25:02.930
of the no return.

00:25:03.410 --> 00:25:05.480
Well, the nice thing
about condition black,

00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:07.490
that I really like
is a fact that if you

00:25:07.490 --> 00:25:10.730
realize that you are
now so overwhelmed by

00:25:10.730 --> 00:25:12.980
the environment that
you've frozen and

00:25:12.980 --> 00:25:15.380
you're not making proper
decisions, and you're

00:25:15.380 --> 00:25:17.270
not downloading these
heuristics that you had

00:25:17.270 --> 00:25:21.860
before is you can say I'm
in condition black, let's

00:25:21.860 --> 00:25:25.090
deescalate into red and
get myself in the fight.

00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:28.730
Back in the fight, back
or back into operation.

00:25:28.860 --> 00:25:29.210
Right.

00:25:29.210 --> 00:25:29.550
And I, and

00:25:29.600 --> 00:25:31.130
I think that's the
best thing about

00:25:31.130 --> 00:25:32.810
conditioned black is
just like, wait a minute.

00:25:32.840 --> 00:25:35.054
I know I'm here
now, let's get out.

00:25:35.294 --> 00:25:35.504
Yeah.

00:25:35.504 --> 00:25:38.205
There's other terms
too, that a mental

00:25:38.235 --> 00:25:41.625
fibrillation, when the
heart goes into that

00:25:41.834 --> 00:25:44.445
fluttering mode, and
now your mind does

00:25:44.445 --> 00:25:46.995
this stuff, you know,
you got to shake it

00:25:46.995 --> 00:25:48.074
off and get back in.

00:25:48.375 --> 00:25:52.395
You know, I've been, um,
fortunate or misfortunate

00:25:52.395 --> 00:25:54.794
enough to be in a lot
of situations where I

00:25:54.794 --> 00:25:57.615
could look and watch
people go into this

00:25:57.615 --> 00:26:00.375
or another good one
is tactical dithering.

00:26:01.365 --> 00:26:01.754
Uh.

00:26:01.925 --> 00:26:02.284
Ooh.

00:26:02.385 --> 00:26:02.745
Uh.

00:26:03.014 --> 00:26:05.054
And particularly for
people that were in

00:26:05.054 --> 00:26:06.764
charge of things, it
probably shouldn't

00:26:06.764 --> 00:26:09.254
have been in charge of
it where now they get

00:26:09.254 --> 00:26:11.655
overwhelmed and they are
code black at that point,

00:26:11.685 --> 00:26:14.235
they are it's over, um.

00:26:14.745 --> 00:26:15.075
Right.

00:26:16.005 --> 00:26:17.625
And pride.

00:26:18.165 --> 00:26:21.585
Um, what's the other ones
that are out there all,

00:26:21.585 --> 00:26:24.555
you know, your feelings
of self-worth often won't

00:26:24.555 --> 00:26:27.695
let you admit uh, I've
really messed this up.

00:26:28.024 --> 00:26:28.365
Right.

00:26:28.845 --> 00:26:29.555
Ego gets in the way.

00:26:29.555 --> 00:26:31.725
Right, ego, your, you
know, your eyes glaze

00:26:31.725 --> 00:26:35.475
over to what's happened,
my ego Meego and uh, you

00:26:35.505 --> 00:26:36.675
got to get out of it.

00:26:37.005 --> 00:26:39.525
And, and like I say, you
don't need to worry what

00:26:39.525 --> 00:26:41.625
other people think of you
when you do this stuff.

00:26:42.045 --> 00:26:45.225
You know, your, your
images portrayed is

00:26:45.225 --> 00:26:47.715
no longer important
to anything other than

00:26:47.745 --> 00:26:50.925
you and your family
to fix whatever got

00:26:50.925 --> 00:26:51.795
you to that point.

00:26:51.795 --> 00:26:53.475
So, yeah, true enough.

00:26:53.475 --> 00:26:56.685
Uh, learning to
realize that it's out

00:26:56.685 --> 00:26:58.905
of control and I must
get control back.

00:26:59.195 --> 00:27:01.115
And if you start
finding yourself going

00:27:01.115 --> 00:27:03.035
into code black, it
might be because you

00:27:03.035 --> 00:27:05.555
haven't spent time
mentally role-playing

00:27:05.575 --> 00:27:07.655
and developing these
situations or these

00:27:07.655 --> 00:27:09.545
heuristics that
you can call upon

00:27:09.545 --> 00:27:10.295
when you need to.

00:27:10.775 --> 00:27:13.235
But the other interesting
thing about this is.

00:27:13.679 --> 00:27:14.939
If it can happen to you.

00:27:15.824 --> 00:27:17.264
It can happen to
the bad guys too.

00:27:17.475 --> 00:27:19.965
And in fact, quite
often it happens to

00:27:19.965 --> 00:27:22.215
the bad guys before it
happens to you because

00:27:22.215 --> 00:27:24.314
they know what's going
to happen and the

00:27:24.314 --> 00:27:26.715
adrenaline's pumping
in them and they're

00:27:28.125 --> 00:27:31.605
functioning prefrontal
cortex brain, which makes

00:27:31.605 --> 00:27:33.645
all their decisions,
isn't making decisions

00:27:33.645 --> 00:27:34.754
in the proper format.

00:27:35.084 --> 00:27:38.084
And you can use all of
that to your advantage.

00:27:38.435 --> 00:27:40.235
Well, you know, just
drawing back on what

00:27:40.235 --> 00:27:42.605
we've been able to watch
on TV, and I guess,

00:27:42.725 --> 00:27:45.334
you know, dash cameras
and cell phones, as

00:27:45.334 --> 00:27:47.554
I always say, I'm not
standing around to

00:27:47.554 --> 00:27:49.445
film any of this stuff,
but I guess people

00:27:49.445 --> 00:27:50.435
are willing to do it.

00:27:51.064 --> 00:27:54.334
And, uh, I think
it was at the vape

00:27:54.365 --> 00:27:55.655
shop shooting.

00:27:56.044 --> 00:27:59.074
You can watch on the
security cameras of

00:27:59.074 --> 00:28:01.355
the buildings, the
guy approaching.

00:28:01.564 --> 00:28:04.605
He's got a hoodie on,
like everybody right

00:28:04.605 --> 00:28:05.775
now has a mask on.

00:28:05.775 --> 00:28:07.455
Perfect, this is
like, this is like

00:28:07.455 --> 00:28:08.705
the perfect scenario.

00:28:08.725 --> 00:28:10.875
The COVID thing that
we're, we're in the

00:28:10.875 --> 00:28:14.215
middle of, for bad people
to, you know, to, to

00:28:14.225 --> 00:28:15.615
disguise themselves.

00:28:15.915 --> 00:28:18.435
He starts and you can
see his hand come out

00:28:18.435 --> 00:28:20.745
of his kangaroo jacket
or hoodie pocket.

00:28:21.225 --> 00:28:22.905
And it looks, you
know, clearly he's

00:28:22.905 --> 00:28:25.755
got a black handgun,
semiautomatic handgun,

00:28:26.205 --> 00:28:27.825
one handed technique.

00:28:27.975 --> 00:28:29.925
He's just point
shooting, he's not

00:28:29.955 --> 00:28:30.975
aiming that thing.

00:28:31.335 --> 00:28:32.645
And he's white
walking towards his

00:28:32.645 --> 00:28:33.575
intended target.

00:28:33.575 --> 00:28:36.095
You can see that part
initially, the shooting

00:28:36.095 --> 00:28:38.585
begins, then they show
up another clip, which

00:28:38.585 --> 00:28:40.865
is somebody passing,
filming from a car.

00:28:40.865 --> 00:28:42.095
I don't know whether
it's a dash cam,

00:28:42.095 --> 00:28:44.645
but I strongly think
it's somebody filming

00:28:45.005 --> 00:28:46.775
from the passenger
seat of that car.

00:28:47.375 --> 00:28:49.595
As soon as the
shooting stops, bad

00:28:49.595 --> 00:28:52.505
guy turns round and
tries to book it.

00:28:53.585 --> 00:28:56.615
Well, he steps off the
curb, he takes a header

00:28:56.615 --> 00:28:58.925
he's down and stumbling
trying to get up.

00:28:59.985 --> 00:29:01.935
Like I say, did he
have, he probably did,

00:29:01.995 --> 00:29:04.575
he knew he had to leave
after the shooting, but

00:29:04.575 --> 00:29:08.115
he really didn't have
his, his plan together.

00:29:08.595 --> 00:29:12.605
And that can be huge,
huge problem for us.

00:29:12.605 --> 00:29:15.215
When we're found in
that guy's life at that

00:29:15.215 --> 00:29:18.215
moment, he could take
a hostage, he could

00:29:18.215 --> 00:29:20.855
shoot somebody else
just to get them out of

00:29:20.855 --> 00:29:23.345
the way, he could try
and hijack a vehicle.

00:29:23.615 --> 00:29:25.805
Like even the people that
were slowing down to film

00:29:25.805 --> 00:29:28.505
that, put themselves at
great risk, because if

00:29:28.505 --> 00:29:30.455
all of a sudden the only
thing he could think of

00:29:30.905 --> 00:29:33.305
in that moment was to
take you in your car.

00:29:34.235 --> 00:29:34.895
Not good.

00:29:35.225 --> 00:29:35.855
You get out of there.

00:29:36.485 --> 00:29:37.415
You got wheels.

00:29:37.415 --> 00:29:40.625
He's on foot, matt
it, leave, drive away.

00:29:41.075 --> 00:29:41.555
Don't wait around.

00:29:41.585 --> 00:29:44.075
The other one too was
when, uh, there was

00:29:44.105 --> 00:29:46.265
the shooting in a.

00:29:46.275 --> 00:29:46.595
Delta.

00:29:46.625 --> 00:29:48.125
Delta, right
on Scott road.

00:29:48.155 --> 00:29:49.235
You could see.

00:29:49.889 --> 00:29:52.169
After the shooting, the
bad guy, again, funny

00:29:52.169 --> 00:29:54.120
enough with a hoodie
and a face mask on

00:29:54.419 --> 00:29:57.120
running, jumping over,
you know, a planter and

00:29:57.120 --> 00:29:57.990
a car and everything.

00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.020
And he's looking for
his getaway vehicle.

00:30:01.409 --> 00:30:04.440
And, you know, the wheel
person will say, cause

00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:05.970
we don't know if it
was a man or woman, but

00:30:05.970 --> 00:30:09.990
likely the wheel man,
uh, was idling, moving

00:30:09.990 --> 00:30:12.870
away, moving slowly,
but just like all the

00:30:12.870 --> 00:30:15.210
modern cars today, once
the car starts to roll.

00:30:15.810 --> 00:30:16.560
The doors lock.

00:30:16.560 --> 00:30:17.000
Thats right.

00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:18.300
And you can see
him struggling

00:30:18.300 --> 00:30:18.900
to get the door.

00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:22.350
And finally, you know,
after, uh, a very

00:30:22.410 --> 00:30:25.500
noticeable delay, the
door gets unlocked.

00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:26.129
He gets in.

00:30:26.490 --> 00:30:28.770
So where was the plan
on the part of the

00:30:28.770 --> 00:30:31.080
wheel man, I'm going
to pick this guy up.

00:30:31.350 --> 00:30:33.210
Why aren't I
opening the door?

00:30:33.210 --> 00:30:35.460
No, I'm not trying to
tell these people, they

00:30:35.460 --> 00:30:38.149
should plan any better
than what they do know.

00:30:38.180 --> 00:30:38.310
No.

00:30:38.340 --> 00:30:40.470
But the important thing
is to understand they

00:30:40.470 --> 00:30:44.129
haven't planned beyond
doing what they're

00:30:44.129 --> 00:30:47.820
going to do, which could
sincerely put you in

00:30:47.820 --> 00:30:51.420
danger, know you are not
a part of their plan.

00:30:52.230 --> 00:30:54.330
You could be a
barrier to their plan.

00:30:54.450 --> 00:30:59.639
You could be just in the
backdrop of the gunfire,

00:30:59.639 --> 00:31:00.420
all these things.

00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:04.320
So you need to think
with soon as you

00:31:04.320 --> 00:31:07.500
recognize that this is
out of the ordinary.

00:31:09.060 --> 00:31:10.740
When you're in
code orange, you

00:31:10.740 --> 00:31:12.870
recognize this is
out of the ordinary.

00:31:12.870 --> 00:31:16.649
This desires are not
desires, requires my

00:31:16.649 --> 00:31:18.090
complete attention.

00:31:19.710 --> 00:31:22.530
And I need to immediately
start to go through

00:31:22.530 --> 00:31:26.580
the Rolodex, if this
goes how far, what

00:31:26.580 --> 00:31:27.480
am I going to do?

00:31:27.780 --> 00:31:29.580
And that's
having triggers,

00:31:29.610 --> 00:31:31.050
mental triggers.

00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:34.919
When you see something,
how do you react when

00:31:34.919 --> 00:31:36.679
you hear something,
how do you react?

00:31:37.320 --> 00:31:38.159
Let's go back.

00:31:38.490 --> 00:31:42.149
I'm moved into
code orange and I'm

00:31:42.149 --> 00:31:44.370
looking at a situation
that's evolving.

00:31:44.610 --> 00:31:47.010
And I start to
hear gunfire.

00:31:47.340 --> 00:31:50.550
Hmm it's gunfire,
whether I've ever heard

00:31:50.550 --> 00:31:53.129
a real gun go off or
not, if it sounds like

00:31:53.129 --> 00:31:56.130
gunfire, I'm going to
treat it like gunfire,

00:31:56.520 --> 00:31:58.650
and I'm going to take
the appropriate action.

00:31:59.490 --> 00:32:02.040
I'm not going to
hear popping noises

00:32:02.130 --> 00:32:05.790
in a parking lot,
on a weekday, in an

00:32:06.270 --> 00:32:08.610
urban environment and
think, oh, somebody is

00:32:08.620 --> 00:32:09.860
letting off fire works.

00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:10.460
Right.

00:32:10.610 --> 00:32:11.210
And you know what?

00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.790
Worst case scenario,
maybe somebody was

00:32:13.790 --> 00:32:15.980
letting off fireworks
and you reacted as if it

00:32:15.980 --> 00:32:18.320
was gunfire and people
look and they laugh and

00:32:18.320 --> 00:32:19.880
you feel like a fool,
but you know what?

00:32:20.420 --> 00:32:22.520
You reacted as
you ought to.

00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:23.930
Exactly.

00:32:23.990 --> 00:32:26.800
And that is the part
that's important.

00:32:27.250 --> 00:32:30.820
Don't try and rely on
a value system that

00:32:30.820 --> 00:32:34.120
you want to believe
that society is all

00:32:34.810 --> 00:32:38.080
unicorns and rainbows,
because it's not.

00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:40.630
You know, often you
hear to a, another,

00:32:40.660 --> 00:32:43.870
you know, uh, sort of
attitude or statement

00:32:43.870 --> 00:32:46.810
that people make, you
know, 16 year old shoots

00:32:46.810 --> 00:32:50.620
and kills, you know,
uh, victim on transit

00:32:50.620 --> 00:32:53.740
bus and you go, I see
that was a six, 16 year

00:32:53.740 --> 00:32:54.910
old boy that did that?

00:32:55.150 --> 00:32:59.300
Now you're applying a
value system that, you

00:32:59.300 --> 00:33:02.220
know, again, air quotes,
normal people have.

00:33:03.149 --> 00:33:04.350
You can't do that.

00:33:04.800 --> 00:33:07.800
When I talked a lot
about, you know, the

00:33:07.800 --> 00:33:11.399
training that I did with,
with recruits in service

00:33:11.399 --> 00:33:16.770
officers, I talked a lot
about what, you know, we

00:33:16.770 --> 00:33:19.530
have grown up around, you
know, you've had a parent

00:33:19.889 --> 00:33:22.440
that, you know, wiped
your face when you were

00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.470
dirty, blew your nose,
when you had a cold.

00:33:25.770 --> 00:33:28.170
Made sure that you had a
warm jacket on when you

00:33:28.170 --> 00:33:31.770
went outside, uh, told
you to be careful when

00:33:31.770 --> 00:33:32.850
you cross the street.

00:33:34.860 --> 00:33:37.200
As I said to a lot of
recruits that I trained

00:33:37.320 --> 00:33:39.780
as a field trainer, as
an instructor in the

00:33:39.780 --> 00:33:42.300
academy, I would say to
them, you need to have

00:33:42.300 --> 00:33:45.629
a hard look at those
little kids that you see

00:33:45.629 --> 00:33:48.720
in urban squalor, when
that little fellows out

00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.379
there in a diaper, on a
tricycle, and it's only

00:33:52.379 --> 00:33:54.990
like four degrees and
he's barefoot in at six

00:33:54.990 --> 00:33:57.480
o'clock in the morning
and both barrels are

00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:01.399
leaking snot and he's
just happy, he's playing.

00:34:01.910 --> 00:34:03.950
Um, how tough do
you think he's going

00:34:03.950 --> 00:34:04.820
to grow up to be?

00:34:05.450 --> 00:34:07.850
Where do you think
value systems are

00:34:08.179 --> 00:34:11.179
when, you know, because
unfortunately he

00:34:11.179 --> 00:34:13.759
lives with, you know,
a junkie mom, who's

00:34:13.759 --> 00:34:16.159
more interested in
getting a fix than she

00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:17.150
is with feeding him.

00:34:17.659 --> 00:34:20.060
And she kicks him out
because she's got to

00:34:20.060 --> 00:34:23.449
turn a trick and that's
how that guy grows up.

00:34:23.540 --> 00:34:23.840
Right.

00:34:23.900 --> 00:34:26.320
And what's his
value system?

00:34:26.659 --> 00:34:28.850
You don't know until
you've lived it, but it's

00:34:28.850 --> 00:34:34.040
certainly not going to be
as clean, pristine, noble

00:34:34.130 --> 00:34:35.810
as yours is, you know?

00:34:35.810 --> 00:34:38.895
So these are the things
you've got to, you

00:34:38.895 --> 00:34:40.815
know, you got to get
out of that mindset.

00:34:40.935 --> 00:34:43.575
There, there isn't,
these people are not

00:34:43.575 --> 00:34:44.685
living the way you do.

00:34:45.425 --> 00:34:49.085
So another thing
I've heard is Holy

00:34:49.085 --> 00:34:51.514
Crow, how mentally
taxing must that be.

00:34:51.605 --> 00:34:54.784
If somebody comes from a
condition of, or living

00:34:54.784 --> 00:34:57.275
in condition white,
where they're on their

00:34:57.275 --> 00:34:59.525
phone as a take the
transit, they got their

00:34:59.525 --> 00:35:01.595
headphones in, they got
their head down looking

00:35:01.595 --> 00:35:03.755
for nickels as they walk
from point a to point B.

00:35:04.505 --> 00:35:06.635
And they're now
being asked to be

00:35:06.845 --> 00:35:07.835
cautiously alert.

00:35:07.835 --> 00:35:10.385
They're not looking
for nickels, trying

00:35:10.385 --> 00:35:11.615
to avoid eye contact.

00:35:11.675 --> 00:35:13.895
And for a lot of
people, that's that's

00:35:13.895 --> 00:35:16.325
the game is let's
avoid eye contact and

00:35:16.445 --> 00:35:19.355
they say, how mentally
taxing must that be?

00:35:19.625 --> 00:35:22.205
So a friend of mine
he's been on the

00:35:22.205 --> 00:35:23.735
podcast, British army.

00:35:23.885 --> 00:35:26.825
I think he's one of the
highest YouTube viewed

00:35:26.825 --> 00:35:27.785
ones that we have.

00:35:28.085 --> 00:35:29.805
And he's talking about
his SAS selection.

00:35:30.245 --> 00:35:32.345
And he says, you know,
they taught us to look

00:35:32.345 --> 00:35:38.970
for the absence of normal
and for the individual

00:35:38.970 --> 00:35:40.770
who's looking to change
your life to be a

00:35:40.770 --> 00:35:43.890
little bit more urban
aware, I would say your

00:35:43.890 --> 00:35:46.529
life for most people
revolves around their

00:35:46.529 --> 00:35:48.765
home and their work.

00:35:48.825 --> 00:35:49.305
Family.

00:35:49.395 --> 00:35:49.785
Right?

00:35:49.785 --> 00:35:53.175
And, and maybe something,
maybe they're in a

00:35:53.175 --> 00:35:56.145
sporting activity
or who knows, maybe

00:35:56.145 --> 00:35:57.825
there's something else
out there, but for

00:35:57.825 --> 00:35:59.625
the majority, they're
traveling from their

00:35:59.625 --> 00:36:00.315
house to their work.

00:36:00.355 --> 00:36:02.715
They're traveling from
their house to a local

00:36:02.715 --> 00:36:06.015
event or whatever it
might be and you can

00:36:06.015 --> 00:36:10.755
start to create a,
you can scan and, and

00:36:10.755 --> 00:36:13.425
create what is normal
in this environment.

00:36:13.875 --> 00:36:16.455
And once you start, it's
kind of like driving a

00:36:16.455 --> 00:36:19.455
car, you get behind the
vehicle for the first

00:36:19.455 --> 00:36:20.955
time and you're checking
your mirror and you're

00:36:20.955 --> 00:36:22.425
checking your speed.

00:36:22.425 --> 00:36:23.455
And you're checking
all around you.

00:36:23.455 --> 00:36:24.205
Cause you're learning.

00:36:24.235 --> 00:36:26.225
You're preparing by doing
that because you're in

00:36:26.225 --> 00:36:30.755
that heightened sense
of, of taking it all in.

00:36:31.265 --> 00:36:33.155
Then at some point,
at some point, you're

00:36:33.155 --> 00:36:35.285
no longer having to
look at all that, but

00:36:35.285 --> 00:36:36.875
you're driving and
you're able to now

00:36:36.875 --> 00:36:39.695
start seeing, okay, that
vehicles crossing two

00:36:39.695 --> 00:36:41.255
lanes and they could
be hitting the sooner.

00:36:41.275 --> 00:36:43.775
You're able to start
looking for the absence

00:36:43.775 --> 00:36:44.705
of what normal is.

00:36:44.765 --> 00:36:46.445
So I develop.

00:36:46.950 --> 00:36:49.620
And awareness of what
normal is and so you

00:36:49.620 --> 00:36:52.080
can start developing an
awareness for what the

00:36:52.080 --> 00:36:53.460
absence of normal is.

00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:54.140
Absence of normal.

00:36:54.140 --> 00:36:54.680
I like that.

00:36:54.680 --> 00:36:55.490
And that is it.

00:36:55.490 --> 00:36:58.700
When something's out
of place, that's code

00:36:58.700 --> 00:37:00.470
orange, something's
out of place.

00:37:00.500 --> 00:37:03.680
I need to give it a
good, hard going over

00:37:03.680 --> 00:37:07.040
here by looking, using
all my other senses

00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:10.010
to determine am I just
being misled here?

00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:11.750
Is it just out of normal?

00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:12.740
Is it a threat?

00:37:13.190 --> 00:37:16.220
If it's not a threat,
take time to, you

00:37:16.220 --> 00:37:18.620
know, drink it in,
see what it is.

00:37:18.620 --> 00:37:19.760
It might be entertaining.

00:37:20.210 --> 00:37:22.410
And then once you're
beyond it, back

00:37:22.410 --> 00:37:24.600
to code yellow and
raise, continue on.

00:37:24.600 --> 00:37:25.160
Yeah.

00:37:25.620 --> 00:37:27.810
And again, like you
say, the stress of

00:37:27.810 --> 00:37:30.330
going from somebody that
goes, listen to them.

00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.060
Like you, you, everybody
knows somebody.

00:37:33.690 --> 00:37:35.970
We were walking home
from the mall and you

00:37:35.970 --> 00:37:38.280
can't believe some
guy, you know, some guy

00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.970
did some guy exposed
himself and, and they

00:37:41.970 --> 00:37:42.960
can't get over it.

00:37:43.530 --> 00:37:46.230
They just like it, it
goes on and it dominates

00:37:46.230 --> 00:37:48.720
conversation for a
week in their life.

00:37:48.750 --> 00:37:51.060
And they phone everybody
in, they posted

00:37:51.060 --> 00:37:54.840
on YouTube and or
Facebook and Instagram.

00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.400
And I, you know,
I was just, well,

00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:56.970
you know what?

00:37:57.240 --> 00:37:59.580
People expose
themselves every day.

00:38:00.390 --> 00:38:05.220
So rather than, you know,
taking this to, um, a

00:38:05.220 --> 00:38:10.160
complete overwhelming
of, of your day, do

00:38:10.160 --> 00:38:12.460
you know, did you, did
you report it properly?

00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:14.250
Did you make notes,
all these other things

00:38:14.250 --> 00:38:18.555
and just say, you know,
hey, the rest of you, I

00:38:18.555 --> 00:38:19.725
learned my lesson today.

00:38:20.115 --> 00:38:22.035
I had always thought
that somebody could

00:38:22.395 --> 00:38:24.885
expose themselves to
me and it happened.

00:38:25.485 --> 00:38:26.265
And what did I do?

00:38:26.265 --> 00:38:27.165
I moved away.

00:38:27.225 --> 00:38:29.895
I got, you know, a
car between me and

00:38:29.895 --> 00:38:30.795
this individual.

00:38:30.795 --> 00:38:33.225
I, I stepped
into a doorway.

00:38:33.225 --> 00:38:34.995
I walked into a
storekeeper and I said,

00:38:34.995 --> 00:38:37.005
this guy is exposed
and call the police or

00:38:37.275 --> 00:38:39.495
whatever was required,
you did the right thing.

00:38:40.695 --> 00:38:42.825
It was an individual
that was being

00:38:42.825 --> 00:38:44.265
followed downtown.

00:38:44.925 --> 00:38:46.965
Uh, she kept, she,
you know, she put her

00:38:46.965 --> 00:38:50.345
camera on her phone
filming the guy.

00:38:50.714 --> 00:38:52.955
I don't think she
called the cops.

00:38:53.495 --> 00:38:56.885
I don't think the police
were involved until after

00:38:57.185 --> 00:38:59.705
she had found some young
fellows who were playing

00:38:59.705 --> 00:39:01.175
basketball and said,
this guy is, you know,

00:39:01.185 --> 00:39:03.725
this creeps following
me, they chased him off.

00:39:05.220 --> 00:39:06.900
She put it on
social media.

00:39:07.230 --> 00:39:09.120
And I think it was
actually picked off

00:39:09.120 --> 00:39:11.970
a social media if I'm
not, if I'm not correct

00:39:11.970 --> 00:39:14.010
in this, I, you know,
I, I fully accept

00:39:14.010 --> 00:39:16.710
that, but there was
no indication that she

00:39:16.710 --> 00:39:19.830
directly contacted law
enforcement as a result

00:39:19.830 --> 00:39:21.040
of this guy stalking her.

00:39:21.470 --> 00:39:23.240
So that's not an
uncommon situation.

00:39:23.560 --> 00:39:27.410
And we're going right
back to what do I'm going

00:39:27.410 --> 00:39:30.440
to do if this situation
presents itself to me.

00:39:30.470 --> 00:39:30.800
Right.

00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.220
So that the, what would,
would you do would be

00:39:34.250 --> 00:39:35.870
mental role playing
and what we do, and

00:39:35.870 --> 00:39:36.320
that would probably be.

00:39:36.629 --> 00:39:38.940
Bleed into the, during
episode that we're

00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:39.629
going to talk about.

00:39:39.629 --> 00:39:39.750
Right.

00:39:39.950 --> 00:39:41.900
But, but here's
the thing I'm going

00:39:41.900 --> 00:39:43.549
to call the cops.

00:39:44.150 --> 00:39:46.670
I'm going to give them
a clear description.

00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.790
I'm going to include
the time, the date, you

00:39:49.790 --> 00:39:52.790
know, the, the street
signs that are, you

00:39:52.790 --> 00:39:55.700
know, the 100 block
that I'm in, you know,

00:39:55.700 --> 00:39:56.870
all of these things and

00:39:56.870 --> 00:39:59.540
. 
Look for distinguishing
features, look at a

00:39:59.540 --> 00:40:02.199
height, skin color,
something that would

00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:02.539
be hard to hide.

00:40:02.539 --> 00:40:06.230
As simple as which way is
North, you know, is the

00:40:06.230 --> 00:40:09.039
guy walking North, South,
East, or West, you know?

00:40:09.609 --> 00:40:12.980
And look for something
like a scar or a tattoo,

00:40:12.980 --> 00:40:14.900
or just one thing
after you get the real

00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:16.700
basics is they got a
mask on, they got their

00:40:16.700 --> 00:40:18.259
hood on, but you could
probably see skin color,

00:40:18.620 --> 00:40:22.400
probably get gender,
probably get a height

00:40:22.430 --> 00:40:23.299
out of all of that.

00:40:23.745 --> 00:40:25.335
Can you see anything
that's going to

00:40:25.335 --> 00:40:26.835
be difficult for
them to change it.

00:40:26.835 --> 00:40:27.195
You can.

00:40:27.525 --> 00:40:27.885
Right.

00:40:28.005 --> 00:40:28.935
And now.

00:40:29.355 --> 00:40:30.735
But this is some
of the during.

00:40:31.175 --> 00:40:32.925
The, well, this
is, but again, that

00:40:32.925 --> 00:40:33.495
mental rehearse.

00:40:33.575 --> 00:40:36.455
So like, if I look at
a person and I need to

00:40:36.455 --> 00:40:38.645
phone the police, what
are the police need

00:40:38.645 --> 00:40:42.275
to know, description
direction to travel

00:40:42.485 --> 00:40:45.875
location, you know, and,
and description always

00:40:45.875 --> 00:40:48.005
includes particular
description, you know,

00:40:48.155 --> 00:40:49.145
distinguishing features.

00:40:49.415 --> 00:40:51.485
I always kind of, again,
you listen to the,

00:40:51.785 --> 00:40:54.125
you know, police are
looking for a 15 year

00:40:54.125 --> 00:40:57.095
old, you know, male
wearing a black hoodie.

00:40:57.215 --> 00:40:58.175
Oh, gee, that's good.

00:40:58.365 --> 00:40:59.145
It tells you nothing.

00:40:59.175 --> 00:41:01.475
I'm sure everybody's
gonna know that guy.

00:41:01.505 --> 00:41:01.825
Right.

00:41:01.865 --> 00:41:04.265
You know, but if you
said that he had one

00:41:04.265 --> 00:41:08.985
eye and you know, at,
uh, uh, particular, you

00:41:08.985 --> 00:41:11.925
know, other deformity
or, or, you know.

00:41:12.005 --> 00:41:13.525
Steely blue eyes.

00:41:13.525 --> 00:41:15.225
Steely blue eyes, you
know, and, you know,

00:41:15.225 --> 00:41:16.694
or steely blue eye.

00:41:16.845 --> 00:41:17.235
Sure.

00:41:18.435 --> 00:41:20.295
And I don't mean to laugh
and make light of it,

00:41:20.295 --> 00:41:23.265
but, you know, we have
to, we have to somehow

00:41:23.265 --> 00:41:26.265
accept that this is a
proper way to live, and

00:41:26.265 --> 00:41:28.365
it's not going to put you
into a state of paranoia.

00:41:28.655 --> 00:41:32.015
So when I was younger
and I'd go downtown

00:41:32.015 --> 00:41:34.805
Vancouver, my dad would
drive into three 12 main

00:41:34.805 --> 00:41:38.585
street where the head
office air for VPD was.

00:41:38.615 --> 00:41:43.500
And situated in an
area which a lot of

00:41:43.500 --> 00:41:45.180
less than desirables
around, we used to

00:41:45.180 --> 00:41:46.140
always play this game.

00:41:46.170 --> 00:41:47.640
Hawks and doves, right?

00:41:48.230 --> 00:41:48.740
With your dad?

00:41:48.860 --> 00:41:49.070
Yeah.

00:41:49.340 --> 00:41:49.600
Nice.

00:41:49.620 --> 00:41:51.870
So five, six, seven,
eight, nine, 10.

00:41:51.870 --> 00:41:55.800
And when I first go off
and as a five-year-old

00:41:55.890 --> 00:41:57.540
hawks and doves, so the
hawks are going to be

00:41:57.540 --> 00:41:59.550
the predators, the doves
of the prey, right?

00:42:00.030 --> 00:42:02.220
And I'd look and
I'd think, well,

00:42:02.220 --> 00:42:03.810
they must all be
predators out here.

00:42:03.810 --> 00:42:05.550
Cause look at how
different they are living

00:42:05.550 --> 00:42:06.570
than how I live, right?

00:42:06.570 --> 00:42:08.700
But after a while you
started seeing things

00:42:08.700 --> 00:42:11.370
and you see, hold on a
second, the way that,

00:42:11.370 --> 00:42:13.590
that person's dress is
different from how these

00:42:13.590 --> 00:42:15.540
other people are dressed
or they're a little

00:42:15.540 --> 00:42:18.000
bit more put together,
they've got their back

00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:18.930
up against a wall.

00:42:19.200 --> 00:42:20.820
Their eyes are up
and they're looking,

00:42:21.210 --> 00:42:23.040
similar to how I'm
looking as well.

00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:24.630
Oh, we just made
eye contact.

00:42:24.630 --> 00:42:25.110
Okay.

00:42:25.350 --> 00:42:27.270
There's a, there's a
bit of recognition here.

00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:29.190
These other people
they're looking at

00:42:29.190 --> 00:42:30.750
the ground, they're
shuffling around.

00:42:31.485 --> 00:42:34.365
There doves, these guys
over here, they're hawks.

00:42:34.365 --> 00:42:36.825
And I say guys, because
predominantly the men

00:42:36.825 --> 00:42:38.865
are going to be the
aggressors, right?

00:42:39.975 --> 00:42:43.995
And I think playing
that game just in

00:42:43.995 --> 00:42:45.765
your day-to-day life,
looking around, you'll

00:42:45.765 --> 00:42:47.715
be surprised at how
many people aren't

00:42:47.715 --> 00:42:49.725
looking up and the ones
who are looking up.

00:42:49.995 --> 00:42:52.485
There's a reason they're
either like you and

00:42:52.485 --> 00:42:55.545
they're keeping their
eyes open for possible

00:42:55.545 --> 00:42:57.465
threats, or they are
a threat and they're

00:42:57.465 --> 00:42:58.605
looking for victims.

00:42:59.235 --> 00:43:03.134
So I, I think when we
look at the mental role,

00:43:03.134 --> 00:43:05.265
playing, playing a game
of hawks and doves can

00:43:05.265 --> 00:43:06.285
be very beneficial.

00:43:06.825 --> 00:43:09.315
The other thing I got out
of that was the uniforms.

00:43:09.634 --> 00:43:13.245
Everybody wears a
uniform, police officers

00:43:13.245 --> 00:43:14.085
wearing a uniform.

00:43:14.085 --> 00:43:15.884
You'll run to a police
officer, you'll see the

00:43:15.884 --> 00:43:17.805
badge, you'll see the
sharp dress uniform.

00:43:17.805 --> 00:43:19.335
And you'll say,
can you help me?

00:43:19.425 --> 00:43:22.005
I need some help
because you can see

00:43:22.005 --> 00:43:23.775
exactly what that
individual is all about.

00:43:25.230 --> 00:43:27.299
The hawks will wear
uniforms as well.

00:43:27.330 --> 00:43:28.920
And you can start
to spot that out.

00:43:28.950 --> 00:43:31.770
The people who are a
little bit more, uh,

00:43:33.810 --> 00:43:36.870
certain gang affiliations
will wear gang

00:43:36.870 --> 00:43:39.299
affiliation uniforms, and
you'll start to see that.

00:43:39.560 --> 00:43:40.880
And what does
the hawk do?

00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.910
The hawk, you know,
does certain behaviors,

00:43:43.970 --> 00:43:47.270
you know, and, and the
thing is if you were in

00:43:47.270 --> 00:43:51.230
a situation and you go,
geez, look at these, you

00:43:51.230 --> 00:43:54.860
know, and obviously very
young men are, you know,

00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:58.549
basically teenagers and
that guy's driving a BMW

00:43:58.549 --> 00:44:02.630
X five, and this guy's
got, you know, a, a six

00:44:02.630 --> 00:44:05.270
inch lift on a brand
new, you know, three

00:44:05.270 --> 00:44:07.130
quarter ton diesel truck.

00:44:07.130 --> 00:44:09.890
And this guy is driving
a, you know, a fancy

00:44:09.890 --> 00:44:11.330
blackout window SUV.

00:44:11.330 --> 00:44:13.940
That's absolutely
less than a year old.

00:44:14.700 --> 00:44:15.990
Does that look right?

00:44:16.650 --> 00:44:17.160
Okay.

00:44:17.160 --> 00:44:19.529
So that's the
absence of normal.

00:44:19.529 --> 00:44:20.460
That's not normal.

00:44:20.520 --> 00:44:23.940
I mean, you know, if
the kid's driving a nice

00:44:23.940 --> 00:44:26.490
car, that's got an end
sign in the back that

00:44:26.490 --> 00:44:29.370
maybe takes it back to
normal, but these guys,

00:44:29.370 --> 00:44:32.310
you know, or are in these
vehicles that doesn't

00:44:32.310 --> 00:44:37.009
fit, you know, um, what
we used to say a lot with

00:44:37.020 --> 00:44:40.490
the recruits is one of
these things is not like

00:44:40.490 --> 00:44:41.870
the other one, you know?

00:44:41.870 --> 00:44:43.370
And, and that's
what you've gotta be

00:44:43.370 --> 00:44:44.120
able to compare it.

00:44:44.120 --> 00:44:44.660
Yes.

00:44:45.140 --> 00:44:47.450
Young guys have a
perfect, young girls,

00:44:47.450 --> 00:44:49.580
have a perfect right
to get a driver's

00:44:49.580 --> 00:44:52.100
license and be out there
operating dad's car or

00:44:52.100 --> 00:44:53.210
mom's car or whatever.

00:44:53.690 --> 00:44:56.540
But, you know,
typically dad is not

00:44:56.570 --> 00:45:01.460
letting the kid drive,
you know, $110,000

00:45:01.460 --> 00:45:03.770
Lexus, you know, SUV.

00:45:03.770 --> 00:45:06.020
That's got, you know,
blinged out wheels

00:45:06.020 --> 00:45:06.830
and things like that.

00:45:06.830 --> 00:45:09.590
It just doesn't make
sense for a 17 year old

00:45:09.590 --> 00:45:10.430
to be operating that.

00:45:10.430 --> 00:45:14.100
And, you know, you just
got to pay attention

00:45:14.100 --> 00:45:14.880
to things like that.

00:45:15.270 --> 00:45:17.940
So in that game of
Hawks and doves, the

00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:19.590
other thing that I
started picking up was

00:45:19.590 --> 00:45:20.759
basic body language.

00:45:21.509 --> 00:45:24.720
And seeing how people,
like little things

00:45:25.170 --> 00:45:27.630
where a person's
feet are pointed in a

00:45:27.630 --> 00:45:29.430
conversation, you go to a
party, you're talking to

00:45:29.430 --> 00:45:32.340
other people, a person's
talking to you, but

00:45:32.340 --> 00:45:34.140
their feet are pointed
over at the pretty

00:45:34.140 --> 00:45:35.190
girl next to ya, right?

00:45:35.190 --> 00:45:35.380
Right.

00:45:35.490 --> 00:45:36.480
You know where
their attention

00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:37.560
actually is, right.

00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:39.870
Uh, or maybe their torso
is more pointed, but

00:45:39.870 --> 00:45:40.680
they're looking over.

00:45:41.279 --> 00:45:43.500
Picking up little things
about how people's body

00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:47.310
language I, and there's
some good books on it.

00:45:47.310 --> 00:45:48.960
How to read a person like
a book was the old one.

00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:49.799
Alan Pease.

00:45:49.890 --> 00:45:52.710
I remember he's read
a few, he's written

00:45:52.710 --> 00:45:53.580
a few books on it.

00:45:54.080 --> 00:45:55.920
I would highly recommend
if anyone listening

00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.960
wants to learn a little
bit about body language,

00:45:57.960 --> 00:45:58.860
he's a good author.

00:45:59.220 --> 00:46:01.710
But the interesting
thing that I found on

00:46:01.710 --> 00:46:04.020
the, both the uniform
and the body language.

00:46:04.605 --> 00:46:07.785
Was to look
introspectively.

00:46:08.145 --> 00:46:09.735
What uniform
are you wearing?

00:46:09.855 --> 00:46:12.255
And what body language
are you giving off?

00:46:12.405 --> 00:46:14.145
Are you giving off
the body language

00:46:14.145 --> 00:46:14.715
of a victim?

00:46:15.375 --> 00:46:17.325
Are you dressed
like a victim?

00:46:17.325 --> 00:46:19.155
And that's why like
for the police, your

00:46:19.155 --> 00:46:23.295
very first, your very
first step on the

00:46:23.295 --> 00:46:27.935
use of force model is
officer presence, right?

00:46:27.965 --> 00:46:33.555
Well, it, it is, uh, you
know, as far as well, and

00:46:33.595 --> 00:46:36.365
in many cases, just the
right kind of presence

00:46:36.365 --> 00:46:37.355
puts things down.

00:46:37.685 --> 00:46:39.305
It and people say,
how does presence

00:46:39.305 --> 00:46:39.785
do anything?

00:46:39.815 --> 00:46:43.055
It's like drive down
the road and see a

00:46:43.055 --> 00:46:44.675
police car that doesn't
even have its lights

00:46:44.675 --> 00:46:45.815
on parked on the side.

00:46:46.145 --> 00:46:48.695
Do you think you're going
to see a reaction from

00:46:48.695 --> 00:46:49.775
everybody else driving?

00:46:49.805 --> 00:46:50.165
Right.

00:46:50.375 --> 00:46:50.645
Right.

00:46:50.825 --> 00:46:52.805
And that's what we used
to always say too, is,

00:46:53.135 --> 00:46:56.345
you know, if you put
a, a marked car out,

00:46:57.365 --> 00:47:00.005
you get, you know,
you get compliance.

00:47:00.005 --> 00:47:03.600
If you put a covert or
an unmarked vehicle out,

00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.220
you catch the offender.

00:47:05.250 --> 00:47:07.290
So, you know, in a
lot of cases, what

00:47:07.290 --> 00:47:07.850
do you want to do?

00:47:07.850 --> 00:47:11.359
Prevent, or arrest.

00:47:11.390 --> 00:47:13.370
And, and, and that
is, that is kind of,

00:47:13.420 --> 00:47:15.319
they like, people are
even saying now, like,

00:47:15.590 --> 00:47:17.299
you know, the police
need to do something.

00:47:17.299 --> 00:47:18.710
The police need
to do something.

00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.500
Um, and you know, in
a lot of cases, you

00:47:21.500 --> 00:47:24.500
know, if we were to put
marked vehicles on these

00:47:24.500 --> 00:47:28.279
targets, who absolutely,
they are known, they are

00:47:28.279 --> 00:47:29.540
known to law enforcement.

00:47:29.930 --> 00:47:32.480
Uh, they are, they're
known, uh, to the

00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:33.200
people that matter.

00:47:33.200 --> 00:47:36.110
But now everybody's kind
of holding back thinking,

00:47:36.110 --> 00:47:38.840
wow, we might violate
their, their rights.

00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:40.009
There could be a court
challenge, it's this

00:47:40.009 --> 00:47:43.009
one's gone, you know,
our particular situation

00:47:43.009 --> 00:47:45.380
right now without getting
political, I'm going

00:47:45.380 --> 00:47:46.190
to get off topic here.

00:47:46.190 --> 00:47:46.790
I got to get back.

00:47:46.790 --> 00:47:49.759
But yeah, that presence
could change things.

00:47:49.970 --> 00:47:51.860
Your presence can
change things.

00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:53.060
Are you walking upright?

00:47:53.380 --> 00:47:53.560
Right.

00:47:53.660 --> 00:47:56.810
You know, do you look
like you've got shoes on

00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:00.975
that you could, you know,
run with or fight with,

00:48:01.005 --> 00:48:03.375
you know, a pair of heavy
work boots on anything

00:48:03.375 --> 00:48:06.705
like that might be the
presence that is going to

00:48:06.705 --> 00:48:07.755
keep you out of things.

00:48:07.755 --> 00:48:11.505
But if you are, you
know, not dressed

00:48:11.505 --> 00:48:13.425
appropriately for the
area that you find

00:48:13.425 --> 00:48:16.335
yourself in, and you're
not paying attention,

00:48:17.955 --> 00:48:20.865
you're flagging yourself
as, as a, as a dove,

00:48:20.865 --> 00:48:21.795
as you'd like to say.

00:48:21.855 --> 00:48:22.185
Sure.

00:48:22.805 --> 00:48:24.875
And, and talking about
the area that you find

00:48:24.875 --> 00:48:28.145
yourself in, there are
certain cues that you

00:48:28.145 --> 00:48:29.135
can start picking up.

00:48:29.225 --> 00:48:31.145
So Gavin de Becker
wrote a book called

00:48:31.145 --> 00:48:31.955
the gift of fear.

00:48:32.135 --> 00:48:34.685
And aside from it being
a very good promotional

00:48:34.685 --> 00:48:37.085
piece for Gavin de
Becker and his agency.

00:48:37.465 --> 00:48:38.685
Most of these things are.

00:48:38.705 --> 00:48:40.355
He did a fantastic
job at that, but the

00:48:40.355 --> 00:48:43.595
underlying message in
there was essentially

00:48:43.625 --> 00:48:45.125
trust your gut, right?

00:48:45.125 --> 00:48:46.565
Trust your gut instinct.

00:48:46.865 --> 00:48:49.535
And he would talk about
women's intuition and

00:48:49.535 --> 00:48:51.935
men have a gut instinct,
and quite often.

00:48:52.575 --> 00:48:56.775
Men, particularly
young capable men will

00:48:56.775 --> 00:48:58.275
try and rationalize.

00:48:58.425 --> 00:49:00.525
Why am I feeling
afraid in this moment?

00:49:00.525 --> 00:49:02.625
This doesn't make
sense, I'm a tough

00:49:02.655 --> 00:49:04.605
guy, I can take care of
myself and they start

00:49:04.605 --> 00:49:07.035
rationalizing their way
through and, and a big

00:49:07.575 --> 00:49:10.575
underlying thing on that
was trust your gut and

00:49:10.575 --> 00:49:11.685
respond accordingly.

00:49:11.715 --> 00:49:13.095
And there's different
things that we can

00:49:13.095 --> 00:49:15.405
take into account
when we're making

00:49:15.405 --> 00:49:16.935
those gut decisions.

00:49:17.475 --> 00:49:19.095
And whether that gut
decision is right or

00:49:19.095 --> 00:49:21.195
wrong in the end, if
we err on the side

00:49:21.195 --> 00:49:24.345
of caution, always
a better, but you're

00:49:24.345 --> 00:49:26.505
talking about being in
the wrong side of town.

00:49:26.505 --> 00:49:28.515
Well, take a look
at your environment.

00:49:28.754 --> 00:49:31.004
Are there indicators in
your environment that

00:49:31.004 --> 00:49:34.125
perhaps you might be,
you should be on a higher

00:49:34.125 --> 00:49:35.205
level of alertness.

00:49:35.504 --> 00:49:36.435
Do you see graffiti?

00:49:36.464 --> 00:49:37.845
Do you see drug
paraphernalia

00:49:37.845 --> 00:49:38.535
kicking around?

00:49:38.535 --> 00:49:43.365
Do you see, uh, evidence
of impoverished people?

00:49:43.365 --> 00:49:45.645
Because when there's
less money, the desire

00:49:45.645 --> 00:49:47.444
for money is going to
be more in the desire

00:49:47.444 --> 00:49:49.004
for quick money is
going to be higher.

00:49:49.754 --> 00:49:51.274
The thing we have to
say, we're talking

00:49:51.274 --> 00:49:54.395
about awareness in, in
an urban environment.

00:49:55.145 --> 00:49:57.604
And that doesn't just
mean from these you

00:49:57.604 --> 00:50:00.665
know, what, what brings
us to light is a series

00:50:00.665 --> 00:50:03.154
of violent incidents
that are, you know,

00:50:03.245 --> 00:50:07.625
put the public into
outrage every single day.

00:50:08.555 --> 00:50:12.334
You need to be in an
aware situation in so

00:50:12.334 --> 00:50:15.750
many of these, these
places from leaving

00:50:15.750 --> 00:50:17.810
the parking lot where
you park your car to

00:50:17.810 --> 00:50:18.799
get to your office.

00:50:18.799 --> 00:50:20.330
Although everybody's
working from home now

00:50:20.330 --> 00:50:21.200
because of the COVID.

00:50:21.230 --> 00:50:21.500
Right.

00:50:21.529 --> 00:50:23.629
We may be just projecting
into the future when

00:50:23.629 --> 00:50:26.390
things get back to a
more normal state of

00:50:26.390 --> 00:50:29.330
affairs, but you know,
you take the bus, you're

00:50:29.359 --> 00:50:32.210
taking the bus to go to
a doctor's office you've

00:50:32.210 --> 00:50:35.480
never been to, and you
can certainly see that

00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:39.660
the buses now descending
into, you know, a little

00:50:39.660 --> 00:50:43.500
bit less than, you know,
Tawny neighbourhood you

00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:46.439
know, so it's now time
to start moving up your

00:50:46.439 --> 00:50:47.399
levels of awareness.

00:50:47.430 --> 00:50:50.520
Maybe you're going to go,
you know, almost orange

00:50:50.549 --> 00:50:52.620
coming off the bus till
you have a good, hard

00:50:52.620 --> 00:50:54.629
luck and checked out the
15 people that you're

00:50:54.629 --> 00:50:55.439
about to encounter.

00:50:55.740 --> 00:50:57.689
And then you can take
it back down to your,

00:50:58.379 --> 00:51:01.430
your yellow and just,
you know, so it's funny.

00:51:01.430 --> 00:51:02.750
Hey, I was yellow,
I was orange.

00:51:02.750 --> 00:51:04.490
It was, you know, Oh,
I must've gone orange

00:51:04.490 --> 00:51:06.470
five times today,
you know, which is an

00:51:06.470 --> 00:51:08.629
indicator that you're
doing the right thing.

00:51:09.680 --> 00:51:11.750
If you don't have to
go red, you're good.

00:51:12.500 --> 00:51:13.069
You really are.

00:51:13.069 --> 00:51:15.169
And if you can get back
into yellow and, and

00:51:15.200 --> 00:51:18.470
it's a relaxed state
of awareness, it's not

00:51:18.470 --> 00:51:21.379
a, it's not a state of
hypervigilance, which is

00:51:21.379 --> 00:51:24.259
what all this stuff comes
back to was the young

00:51:24.259 --> 00:51:28.395
soldiers who were waiting
for D-Day or waiting

00:51:28.395 --> 00:51:30.915
for, you know, a big
airdrop or whatever, you

00:51:30.915 --> 00:51:33.945
know, and we're talking
17, 18 year old boys.

00:51:33.945 --> 00:51:34.305
Okay.

00:51:34.305 --> 00:51:37.545
Let's use the value
system that we know my

00:51:37.545 --> 00:51:41.805
son when he was 17 years
old is now got you know,

00:51:41.865 --> 00:51:46.245
a, uh, a full field pack
on a parachute on his

00:51:46.245 --> 00:51:47.415
back, a steel helmet.

00:51:47.745 --> 00:51:49.515
And they're about to kick
him out of an airplane.

00:51:49.665 --> 00:51:50.925
Oh, but not today.

00:51:51.165 --> 00:51:52.905
We're not going up,
you know, and everybody

00:51:52.905 --> 00:51:54.885
relaxed go back to
bed or, you know, get

00:51:54.885 --> 00:51:56.985
a, get a sandwich,
but stay ready.

00:51:57.225 --> 00:52:02.505
And, and these guys were
in complete states of,

00:52:02.535 --> 00:52:07.115
you know, mental turmoil
and, and being upset and,

00:52:07.115 --> 00:52:09.735
and somebody recognized,
well, we need to gage

00:52:09.735 --> 00:52:12.015
this out because these
guys are, they haven't

00:52:12.015 --> 00:52:14.175
even seen combat yet
and they're burnt out.

00:52:14.205 --> 00:52:15.675
And this is the
origins of this.

00:52:15.675 --> 00:52:18.615
So it's perfect
for people.

00:52:18.975 --> 00:52:22.275
With what we would say,
a normal value system has

00:52:22.275 --> 00:52:23.895
existed all their life.

00:52:24.375 --> 00:52:25.005
And you know what?

00:52:25.485 --> 00:52:26.955
We're so good
with our kids.

00:52:26.985 --> 00:52:29.685
Don't talk to a stranger,
you know, be careful

00:52:29.685 --> 00:52:31.245
of dogs, strange dogs.

00:52:31.265 --> 00:52:32.265
We do all this up.

00:52:32.565 --> 00:52:35.235
And yet the same parent
who might say that is

00:52:35.235 --> 00:52:38.805
walking down, you know,
an unknown street in an

00:52:38.805 --> 00:52:40.455
unknown neighbourhood and
somebody says, Hey, can

00:52:40.455 --> 00:52:42.855
you help me find my keys?

00:52:42.855 --> 00:52:44.535
Or could you
step over here?

00:52:44.535 --> 00:52:47.325
And, and you
know, Oh, that's a

00:52:47.325 --> 00:52:49.005
beautiful necklace
that you're wearing.

00:52:49.005 --> 00:52:50.025
May I see that?

00:52:50.505 --> 00:52:52.815
And you know, are
you kidding me?

00:52:52.845 --> 00:52:55.305
Nobody that I've
never met in a strange

00:52:55.305 --> 00:52:57.825
neighbourhood is going
to come into my personal

00:52:57.825 --> 00:53:00.345
space and touch my
necklace, you know,

00:53:00.435 --> 00:53:02.355
yet people do and they,
and they go, Oh my God.

00:53:02.355 --> 00:53:04.005
And when I walked away
that wasn't a necklace

00:53:04.085 --> 00:53:06.485
it was wearing and you
know, this sort of stuff

00:53:06.485 --> 00:53:08.225
like, are you kidding me?

00:53:08.735 --> 00:53:11.915
No, but that's the way
I think, cause that's

00:53:11.915 --> 00:53:15.335
my value system, but
that's only come from, I

00:53:15.335 --> 00:53:18.600
don't know 40 something
years now that I've

00:53:18.990 --> 00:53:20.730
more than that, that
I've lived this way.

00:53:22.620 --> 00:53:26.070
My dad and I always
liked to throw my dad's

00:53:26.070 --> 00:53:27.090
story into things.

00:53:27.540 --> 00:53:31.020
My dad played in a pipe
band for the shrine,

00:53:31.260 --> 00:53:33.270
and there was always
the shrine circus.

00:53:33.300 --> 00:53:35.770
That's a real thing that
kids will miss or the

00:53:35.770 --> 00:53:38.730
way the old time circuses
with the lions and tigers

00:53:38.730 --> 00:53:39.360
and they're in the house.

00:53:39.660 --> 00:53:43.050
But they used to like
march out into the arena.

00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.030
The pipe band would
be out there and of

00:53:45.030 --> 00:53:46.920
course the big ticket
items would be the

00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:48.030
lions and tigers.

00:53:48.740 --> 00:53:52.110
And my old man used
to watch guys trying

00:53:52.110 --> 00:53:54.120
to get close to the
lions and the tigers.

00:53:54.270 --> 00:53:57.830
Now they were probably
pretty tame or as

00:53:57.830 --> 00:53:59.760
tame as those things
could be, but those

00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:01.680
lions and tigers
knew how to get even.

00:54:01.680 --> 00:54:05.100
And one of them was to
turn around and mark you.

00:54:05.250 --> 00:54:05.580
Sure.

00:54:05.580 --> 00:54:06.300
You know what I mean?

00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:07.140
Like a tom cat.

00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:10.110
And it was one
of those things.

00:54:10.110 --> 00:54:12.390
My dad just remember
that, and there we are up

00:54:12.390 --> 00:54:16.170
at the Okanagan game farm
standing there, looking

00:54:16.170 --> 00:54:17.700
at the tiger in the cage.

00:54:17.700 --> 00:54:21.060
And you know, you got
10, 12 feet between the

00:54:21.060 --> 00:54:23.220
barrier and the cage
that the animals in.

00:54:23.670 --> 00:54:26.250
And, uh, of course
he's going, we should

00:54:26.250 --> 00:54:27.210
stand back now.

00:54:27.240 --> 00:54:29.580
Cause he's seeing the
behaviours in that

00:54:29.580 --> 00:54:31.530
tiger that he knew
and sure enough, the

00:54:31.530 --> 00:54:34.710
tiger delivered on
demand and you know,

00:54:34.710 --> 00:54:36.090
other peoples, Oh yes.

00:54:36.090 --> 00:54:38.370
And I even remembered
this was how do I

00:54:38.370 --> 00:54:40.650
say it was nine years
old, we were in the,

00:54:41.160 --> 00:54:42.810
the zoo in Honolulu.

00:54:43.694 --> 00:54:46.785
And there was this huge
silver back gorilla

00:54:47.085 --> 00:54:50.055
sitting there and the
poor thing behind bars,

00:54:50.505 --> 00:54:53.955
just, you know, with a
total state of dejection

00:54:53.955 --> 00:54:57.975
on his face and people,
you know, trying to get

00:54:57.975 --> 00:55:01.125
them to do something and,
you know, you just knew

00:55:01.455 --> 00:55:04.245
and, and that's just,
ah, we should move back.

00:55:04.755 --> 00:55:07.245
And he had, uh, he had
good senses about stuff,

00:55:07.424 --> 00:55:11.535
uh, and faster than you
could blink an eye that

00:55:11.535 --> 00:55:14.055
gorillas scooped up a
handful of excrement

00:55:14.325 --> 00:55:17.735
and through the bars,
these people that had

00:55:17.735 --> 00:55:18.515
been taunting him.

00:55:18.935 --> 00:55:20.705
And then he threw
himself up at the bars,

00:55:20.975 --> 00:55:25.325
powerful, powerful,
you know, beast and

00:55:25.355 --> 00:55:26.645
started shaking the bars.

00:55:26.645 --> 00:55:29.105
But that was his, I
was just entertainment.

00:55:29.464 --> 00:55:30.095
Yes.

00:55:30.154 --> 00:55:31.805
And to my dad's
credit though, he

00:55:31.805 --> 00:55:34.085
kind of recognized,
you know, he was just

00:55:34.085 --> 00:55:35.225
that kind of a guy.

00:55:35.255 --> 00:55:37.325
He was thinking, you
know, first of all,

00:55:37.325 --> 00:55:39.154
he loved animals
and he couldn't bear

00:55:39.154 --> 00:55:40.685
the thought of, you
know, caging them or

00:55:40.685 --> 00:55:41.555
anything else like that.

00:55:41.555 --> 00:55:42.875
But he knew so.

00:55:43.260 --> 00:55:44.880
Just another dad's story.

00:55:45.570 --> 00:55:46.920
Well, you brought up
a couple of really

00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:47.640
interesting points.

00:55:47.820 --> 00:55:52.485
Uh, one was the woman
walking in being

00:55:52.485 --> 00:55:53.745
harassed, being stocked.

00:55:54.225 --> 00:55:57.405
So I remember at a
young age, people would

00:55:57.405 --> 00:55:59.475
be like, why, why are
you walking so fast,

00:55:59.475 --> 00:56:01.275
Travis it's cause
you got long legs.

00:56:01.275 --> 00:56:02.145
I can't keep up.

00:56:02.325 --> 00:56:03.945
Well, it's not cause
I got long legs, I

00:56:03.945 --> 00:56:07.395
specifically walk
faster so that my

00:56:07.575 --> 00:56:10.335
normal is, other
people around me are

00:56:10.335 --> 00:56:11.865
generally walking slower.

00:56:12.105 --> 00:56:13.965
And I don't have to think
about them if they're

00:56:13.965 --> 00:56:16.245
matching my speed or
exceeding my speed.

00:56:16.245 --> 00:56:18.645
All of a sudden they come
up on the radar and I

00:56:18.645 --> 00:56:19.425
have to think about them.

00:56:19.425 --> 00:56:23.745
So little, little tricks,
like, uh, watching, who's

00:56:24.135 --> 00:56:25.215
matching your speed.

00:56:25.725 --> 00:56:28.185
Uh, maybe as you're
walking downtown and

00:56:28.185 --> 00:56:30.315
you're looking in store
windows, don't look in

00:56:30.315 --> 00:56:31.875
the window, look at the
reflection, the window

00:56:31.875 --> 00:56:34.695
to check your six,
watch who's behind you.

00:56:35.055 --> 00:56:39.135
But also look, I had
like, actually look ahead

00:56:39.135 --> 00:56:42.675
and plan your escape
route, or maybe there's

00:56:42.675 --> 00:56:46.635
something up ahead that I
don't want to be meeting

00:56:46.665 --> 00:56:47.685
five feet from me.

00:56:47.685 --> 00:56:49.945
I can avoid a
hundred yards away.

00:56:50.154 --> 00:56:52.225
And yeah, and, and
everything you pass,

00:56:52.585 --> 00:56:54.654
you know, not only as an
escape route forward, but

00:56:54.685 --> 00:56:57.625
maybe for your retreat,
what did I pass that, you

00:56:57.625 --> 00:56:59.515
know, could have helped
me out in this situation?

00:56:59.904 --> 00:57:01.735
Was there a garbage
can I could have, you

00:57:01.735 --> 00:57:03.835
know, rolled in front
of somebody or pushed

00:57:03.835 --> 00:57:06.205
away or got behind or a
car that was back there.

00:57:06.445 --> 00:57:08.485
I'm now on a strip,
uh, you know, pavement,

00:57:08.755 --> 00:57:11.215
uh, is beside me on the
edge of the sidewalk.

00:57:11.605 --> 00:57:13.225
Whereas there was
a car that was only

00:57:13.225 --> 00:57:14.424
about 30 yards back.

00:57:14.455 --> 00:57:17.395
Maybe, you know, if I get
to that, I can just, it's

00:57:17.395 --> 00:57:19.285
all about time to, right.

00:57:19.615 --> 00:57:21.865
You know, when any of
these situations, if you

00:57:21.865 --> 00:57:24.745
can get distance from
whatever the situation

00:57:24.745 --> 00:57:27.865
is, you get time to
think more and figure

00:57:27.865 --> 00:57:29.095
it out and get away.

00:57:29.095 --> 00:57:31.825
But, you know, distance
and time and, and

00:57:31.825 --> 00:57:34.404
avoiding the threat
without getting into

00:57:34.404 --> 00:57:37.134
so many of the real
specifics of actual

00:57:37.825 --> 00:57:40.525
physical conflict of
coming together, you

00:57:40.525 --> 00:57:44.130
know, we're, we're
talking average Joe

00:57:44.130 --> 00:57:46.319
stuff here, not martial
artists, not armed

00:57:46.319 --> 00:57:48.150
citizens stuff, you know.

00:57:48.240 --> 00:57:50.069
And we're not
advocating anybody at

00:57:50.069 --> 00:57:51.900
this point should try
and arm themselves

00:57:51.900 --> 00:57:53.370
illegally at all.

00:57:53.460 --> 00:57:56.190
You know, that that's,
that is such a high

00:57:56.190 --> 00:57:58.290
degree of training
is required to be

00:57:58.290 --> 00:57:59.220
efficient at that.

00:57:59.279 --> 00:58:01.230
And that's not where
we're going with this.

00:58:01.380 --> 00:58:03.630
It's it's to develop
an awareness.

00:58:03.660 --> 00:58:06.210
And in most cases
we'll keep you free

00:58:06.210 --> 00:58:09.690
of ever having to,
to, to come touching.

00:58:09.779 --> 00:58:09.990
Right.

00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:13.049
You know, you know, and
the kind of touching

00:58:13.049 --> 00:58:15.990
which, you know, would
mean a physical fight

00:58:16.259 --> 00:58:19.859
or trying to, or trying
to, to stop, you know,

00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.160
getting stabbed or
beaten or anything like

00:58:23.160 --> 00:58:24.420
that, you know, and.

00:58:24.945 --> 00:58:26.745
There's so much of
it as common sense,

00:58:26.745 --> 00:58:29.985
you know, like where
are you at what time?

00:58:30.705 --> 00:58:33.155
Like, I can't believe
this happened to me.

00:58:33.155 --> 00:58:34.325
We can't believe
this happened.

00:58:34.325 --> 00:58:37.655
It was three o'clock
in the morning and you

00:58:37.655 --> 00:58:42.455
were drunk out of your
mind and by yourself,

00:58:42.995 --> 00:58:46.745
and then you walked,
you know, instead of

00:58:46.745 --> 00:58:49.145
walking towards transit,
you thought, Oh, I'll

00:58:49.145 --> 00:58:52.235
just walk over here and,
you know, get a pizza

00:58:52.235 --> 00:58:55.025
from some skid row place
where they sell pizza.

00:58:55.055 --> 00:58:59.015
So now again, how many
times did I hear that

00:58:59.015 --> 00:59:01.715
while I was working,
too many times, but

00:59:01.715 --> 00:59:05.645
again, people have the
belief, they maybe have

00:59:05.645 --> 00:59:08.045
a right to, well, I have
a right to be there.

00:59:08.375 --> 00:59:09.335
You sure do.

00:59:09.395 --> 00:59:09.605
Yep.

00:59:09.785 --> 00:59:10.715
Absolutely.

00:59:10.715 --> 00:59:13.175
And I'm not here to tell
you that, you know, Oh,

00:59:13.175 --> 00:59:15.405
I am, you know, What
have I looked like a

00:59:15.405 --> 00:59:18.075
liberal, and I'm not
going to tell you that

00:59:18.075 --> 00:59:20.295
you can do anything,
but if you're smart,

00:59:20.475 --> 00:59:21.855
you shouldn't do that.

00:59:22.235 --> 00:59:24.755
Friend of mine talks
about a, uh, an old poem.

00:59:24.785 --> 00:59:26.735
I think it was called
the stop sign or

00:59:26.735 --> 00:59:28.235
the stop light or
something like that.

00:59:28.235 --> 00:59:31.775
And he says his way
was right, his will was

00:59:31.775 --> 00:59:34.115
strong, but he's just as
dead as if he were wrong.

00:59:34.595 --> 00:59:36.275
You had the light,
it was green.

00:59:36.275 --> 00:59:38.135
You have the right to
be there, but maybe you

00:59:38.135 --> 00:59:40.145
should look around and
make the proper decision.

00:59:40.145 --> 00:59:41.765
If there's a mack
truck coming down and

00:59:41.765 --> 00:59:43.705
it's going to blow the
light and hit ya just

00:59:43.715 --> 00:59:44.245
cause you're right.

00:59:44.595 --> 00:59:45.665
Sure, dead right.

00:59:45.695 --> 00:59:46.675
Yeah, dead right.

00:59:46.675 --> 00:59:46.755
Yeah.

00:59:46.755 --> 00:59:49.235
My mum used to her
poem was here, lies

00:59:49.235 --> 00:59:50.165
the body of Mr.

00:59:50.165 --> 00:59:50.615
Gray.

00:59:51.095 --> 00:59:55.835
He died defending his
right of way and just as

00:59:55.835 --> 00:59:57.575
dead as if he were wrong.

00:59:58.145 --> 01:00:00.005
So I forget the
other parts of it,

01:00:00.005 --> 01:00:01.415
but yeah, it's true.

01:00:01.685 --> 01:00:05.400
And yeah, go where you
want whenever you want.

01:00:05.549 --> 01:00:09.240
So what are you prepared
to deal with what could

01:00:09.240 --> 01:00:10.350
potentially be there?

01:00:10.350 --> 01:00:11.910
And certain things
are of greater

01:00:11.910 --> 01:00:12.750
potential than others.

01:00:13.129 --> 01:00:14.900
I think most people
have heard run, hide

01:00:14.900 --> 01:00:16.970
fight, and those
are the three words

01:00:16.970 --> 01:00:17.990
that are thrown out.

01:00:18.259 --> 01:00:19.279
If there's an
active shooter,

01:00:19.310 --> 01:00:20.060
run, hide, fight.

01:00:20.120 --> 01:00:20.330
Yeah.

01:00:20.540 --> 01:00:24.620
But keeping that run,
hide, fight mentality,

01:00:24.710 --> 01:00:26.299
obviously, if you're
able to run, if you're

01:00:26.299 --> 01:00:28.430
able to get your butt
out of dodge that

01:00:28.430 --> 01:00:30.440
trumps everything else,
get yourself out of

01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.980
danger in order to do
that, run, hide, fight,

01:00:33.980 --> 01:00:34.700
run, hide, fight.

01:00:34.700 --> 01:00:35.569
Keep that in your head.

01:00:35.839 --> 01:00:38.820
And you do your mental
role playing, if I put

01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:41.820
myself in this position,
will I be able to run?

01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:43.290
If I go into this
building, do I know

01:00:43.290 --> 01:00:44.310
where the exits are?

01:00:44.520 --> 01:00:47.040
Do I position myself as
I'm having lunch in a

01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:49.020
way where I can watch
people as they come in or

01:00:49.020 --> 01:00:52.110
come out and I can have
a quick and easy egress.

01:00:52.110 --> 01:00:53.820
And if you keep that
run, hide, fight,

01:00:54.270 --> 01:00:57.030
you start eliminating
the possibility that

01:00:57.030 --> 01:00:58.440
you have to hide.

01:00:58.440 --> 01:00:58.950
Fight.

01:00:59.220 --> 01:00:59.460
Yeah.

01:01:00.060 --> 01:01:01.920
Um, you brought up
another one, which was

01:01:02.160 --> 01:01:04.890
a person talking to
you on the street and

01:01:06.570 --> 01:01:08.280
they talk about the
rule of one plus one.

01:01:08.490 --> 01:01:09.300
There's one bad guy.

01:01:09.300 --> 01:01:11.760
There's probably two
there's, you're searching

01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.050
a person, you find
one weapon, you'll

01:01:13.050 --> 01:01:14.160
probably find two.

01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:17.270
If someone stops to
talk to you, you have

01:01:17.270 --> 01:01:21.260
to really question why,
and immediately who

01:01:21.260 --> 01:01:22.280
were they working with?

01:01:22.580 --> 01:01:24.050
Who could be
around, right.

01:01:24.080 --> 01:01:25.640
Just because you hear
the bang over here

01:01:25.670 --> 01:01:28.250
doesn't mean that's
the only threat.

01:01:28.970 --> 01:01:32.670
So putting yourself in
a position, tactically

01:01:32.670 --> 01:01:33.779
positioning yourself.

01:01:34.109 --> 01:01:35.790
If you're talking to
somebody on the street,

01:01:35.819 --> 01:01:37.770
if you made that decision
to engage and actually

01:01:37.770 --> 01:01:40.440
talk to them, tactically
positioning yourself if

01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:43.680
you're eating lunch, if
you're at the office,

01:01:44.549 --> 01:01:46.379
just being aware of
your surroundings,

01:01:46.379 --> 01:01:49.770
you and I were at a,
at a, a restaurant

01:01:49.770 --> 01:01:51.299
there at a shot show.

01:01:51.299 --> 01:01:53.490
And another fellow,
we noticed people

01:01:53.490 --> 01:01:54.000
kept walking.

01:01:55.009 --> 01:01:57.020
He said, what is your
situational awareness?

01:01:57.029 --> 01:01:57.770
My God.

01:01:57.830 --> 01:01:58.279
That's right.

01:01:58.279 --> 01:01:58.430
Yeah.

01:01:58.430 --> 01:01:59.000
We were sitting there.

01:01:59.359 --> 01:02:01.370
Everybody's just kept
banging into him.

01:02:01.580 --> 01:02:04.190
I go what's with this
guy, like, why don't you

01:02:04.190 --> 01:02:05.960
just take a couple of
steps back, put your,

01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:09.859
you know, stand by, uh,
a, uh, uh, uh, support

01:02:09.859 --> 01:02:11.600
column in the, in the
place that we were at

01:02:11.600 --> 01:02:12.319
or something like that.

01:02:12.319 --> 01:02:14.330
But everybody was bumping
him into, into him.

01:02:14.330 --> 01:02:14.569
Yeah.

01:02:15.740 --> 01:02:18.379
It is a funny thing
like that, you know,

01:02:18.529 --> 01:02:22.470
course some people
purely by their physical

01:02:22.470 --> 01:02:24.510
stature, very few things
are going to happen.

01:02:24.930 --> 01:02:27.420
And, you know, and,
and it's easy to say,

01:02:27.420 --> 01:02:29.460
like, you know, I've,
since I was 14, I've

01:02:29.460 --> 01:02:31.740
been over six feet,
tall, people are not

01:02:31.740 --> 01:02:33.270
actually sizing me up.

01:02:34.290 --> 01:02:36.870
I'm not a woman, that
is one of the things

01:02:36.870 --> 01:02:39.420
that scares me more than
anything else is I, you

01:02:39.420 --> 01:02:42.780
know, I want the women
in my life, my family to,

01:02:43.050 --> 01:02:46.110
you know, and always to
be on their, their game.

01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.570
And, you know,
unfortunately my

01:02:48.570 --> 01:02:50.040
wife is very sharp.

01:02:50.070 --> 01:02:52.830
She's, you know, you'd
be tangling with, uh,

01:02:53.130 --> 01:02:55.680
your weight and wild
cats with that one, but

01:02:56.160 --> 01:02:58.200
that's the thing, you
know, and she's not,

01:02:58.470 --> 01:03:01.020
she has no problems, you
know, just blowing people

01:03:01.020 --> 01:03:02.960
off who are trying to
distract her and things.

01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:04.010
She's, she's
good with that.

01:03:04.010 --> 01:03:04.730
She's focused.

01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.550
She walks fast, you
know, she has a purpose

01:03:07.550 --> 01:03:08.330
and everything else.

01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:10.700
She walks our dogs.

01:03:10.850 --> 01:03:12.830
I'm disabled right
now until I get

01:03:12.830 --> 01:03:13.550
my knee fixed.

01:03:13.790 --> 01:03:15.020
So she walks our dogs.

01:03:15.600 --> 01:03:17.970
Non-urban environment,
but she's aware she's

01:03:17.970 --> 01:03:18.839
got her air horn.

01:03:19.049 --> 01:03:21.450
She's got her bear
spray, you know, she's

01:03:21.450 --> 01:03:23.700
got her communications,
she's got a whistle,

01:03:23.850 --> 01:03:24.660
all those things.

01:03:24.720 --> 01:03:27.930
And it all goes on our
little back or waist belt

01:03:27.930 --> 01:03:29.970
thing when she goes out
there and every time.

01:03:29.970 --> 01:03:33.990
So she's now bought
into her awareness in a

01:03:33.990 --> 01:03:36.120
non-urban environment,
in the outdoors.

01:03:36.419 --> 01:03:38.430
And so many people
will buy into that

01:03:38.430 --> 01:03:39.600
so much more easily.

01:03:40.850 --> 01:03:43.040
And I find there's
almost no threat

01:03:43.040 --> 01:03:43.970
in the outdoors.

01:03:44.689 --> 01:03:46.220
We teach bear awareness.

01:03:46.220 --> 01:03:48.890
We've both been a part
of that developing

01:03:48.890 --> 01:03:52.560
programs for people
because it could happen.

01:03:52.770 --> 01:03:53.129
Sure.

01:03:53.879 --> 01:03:55.529
With a lot of people,
they believe it's

01:03:56.100 --> 01:03:56.819
bound to happen.

01:03:56.819 --> 01:03:58.740
And that's all that
occupies them every time.

01:03:58.980 --> 01:04:01.230
And they're not seeing
that glacier and they're

01:04:01.230 --> 01:04:04.500
not seeing that waterfall
and they're not smelling

01:04:04.500 --> 01:04:06.419
the air because they
think everything is going

01:04:06.419 --> 01:04:07.799
to be a bear attack.

01:04:08.310 --> 01:04:13.439
So going back to this
urban awareness, nobody's

01:04:13.439 --> 01:04:15.180
thinking about the
bear attack they're

01:04:15.180 --> 01:04:16.500
thinking about, Oh yeah.

01:04:16.500 --> 01:04:18.839
You know, I want to go
to this restaurant and

01:04:18.839 --> 01:04:20.459
they don't pay attention
to where this restaurant

01:04:20.459 --> 01:04:22.620
is located, where they
parked their car, how

01:04:22.620 --> 01:04:23.939
are they going to get
back to their car?

01:04:24.270 --> 01:04:26.490
When you get to your
car, have you, you know,

01:04:27.250 --> 01:04:28.439
you remotely started.

01:04:28.439 --> 01:04:30.990
I love that, I love,
you know, the vehicles

01:04:30.990 --> 01:04:31.830
that remotely starts.

01:04:31.830 --> 01:04:35.279
So the cars up the
lights are on and that

01:04:35.279 --> 01:04:38.775
could be a distraction
that could help you out.

01:04:39.435 --> 01:04:40.995
All of a sudden this
car starts up while

01:04:41.005 --> 01:04:42.495
somebody thinks they're
cornering you in the

01:04:42.495 --> 01:04:44.835
dark and they now think
there might be a witness.

01:04:44.925 --> 01:04:47.385
It's a great thing to
have lights on engine

01:04:47.385 --> 01:04:49.395
running, as you get
there, don't unlock

01:04:49.395 --> 01:04:50.715
it until you get
right to it though.

01:04:50.865 --> 01:04:51.255
That's a good tip.

01:04:51.255 --> 01:04:53.445
You know, like leave
the thing locked until

01:04:53.445 --> 01:04:56.235
the very last second,
you know, don't take

01:04:56.235 --> 01:04:59.595
that program out of
your car, where as soon

01:04:59.595 --> 01:05:02.385
as you unlock the pass
or the driver's side,

01:05:02.595 --> 01:05:05.175
the passenger also
unlocks, you know, you

01:05:05.175 --> 01:05:06.045
make that decision.

01:05:06.225 --> 01:05:06.555
Right.

01:05:06.645 --> 01:05:08.355
You know, you can push
the button twice on your

01:05:08.355 --> 01:05:11.055
fob or you get in and
flip the, you know, the

01:05:11.055 --> 01:05:13.905
switch that on the inside
of the door, those, those

01:05:13.905 --> 01:05:14.565
things are important.

01:05:14.715 --> 01:05:17.655
And these are all it's
not, if it, or when

01:05:17.655 --> 01:05:19.275
it's happening, these
are all things that you

01:05:19.275 --> 01:05:21.705
should be prepared to do
before and how to live

01:05:21.705 --> 01:05:22.485
your life, you know.

01:05:23.025 --> 01:05:27.995
Now as you're walking
down the street or you're

01:05:27.995 --> 01:05:30.875
at the, at the subway
or at the, uh, the sky

01:05:30.875 --> 01:05:34.185
train or the bus station,
and you're assessing

01:05:34.214 --> 01:05:37.035
what could be possibly
out of the ordinary.

01:05:37.785 --> 01:05:39.615
You see somebody sitting
there and they're not on

01:05:39.615 --> 01:05:41.565
their phone, particularly
a younger person.

01:05:42.585 --> 01:05:45.345
That's not ordinary
because they're up in

01:05:45.345 --> 01:05:46.935
the alert and they're
looking around.

01:05:47.235 --> 01:05:49.815
There's probably a
reason for that, mark

01:05:49.815 --> 01:05:52.065
that in your head and
watch them take a look

01:05:52.065 --> 01:05:55.065
at the face, take a look
at their hands, because

01:05:55.065 --> 01:05:56.265
if they're going to do
something, it's going

01:05:56.265 --> 01:05:57.105
to be with their hands.

01:05:57.105 --> 01:05:58.214
If they're going to hold
a weapon, that's going

01:05:58.214 --> 01:06:00.075
to be with their hands
and then watch a face

01:06:00.075 --> 01:06:02.745
again and try and go
through that constant

01:06:03.404 --> 01:06:05.895
OODA loop, the observe,
orient, decide and act

01:06:05.895 --> 01:06:06.795
and keep going over.

01:06:06.805 --> 01:06:08.654
As you look at people
face and face what's.

01:06:08.745 --> 01:06:09.795
Is there a threat there?

01:06:10.335 --> 01:06:14.145
Uh, I think that would
be something that would

01:06:14.145 --> 01:06:17.924
help people in their
decision-making in

01:06:17.924 --> 01:06:22.575
their branching scenario
here, as well as we're

01:06:22.575 --> 01:06:24.705
talking a lot about
mental conditioning.

01:06:25.725 --> 01:06:29.730
Physical conditioning,
is massive being

01:06:29.730 --> 01:06:32.640
able to just have the
cardiovascular skill

01:06:32.730 --> 01:06:33.900
or strength, sorry.

01:06:33.930 --> 01:06:37.860
The cardiovascular
strength to survive an

01:06:37.860 --> 01:06:39.810
encounter is something
that should be on

01:06:39.810 --> 01:06:43.050
people's minds in the
pre section as well.

01:06:43.170 --> 01:06:44.286
And it'll help the
mental role playing  too.

01:06:44.286 --> 01:06:44.516
Yeah.

01:06:44.540 --> 01:06:45.770
And that's right.

01:06:45.860 --> 01:06:48.050
I mean, you know,
you have plenty of

01:06:48.050 --> 01:06:49.700
options in that regard.

01:06:49.700 --> 01:06:51.260
Sometimes physicality
is going to prevent

01:06:51.260 --> 01:06:52.010
that, that's just.

01:06:52.010 --> 01:06:52.310
Sure.

01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:55.880
You know, a disability,
uh, and infirmity,

01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:57.620
anything like that,
you know, poor vision.

01:06:57.620 --> 01:06:59.330
But you brought up a
really good point there.

01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:02.150
And you talked about
communication device

01:07:02.540 --> 01:07:04.190
and out walk in the
dogs with some bear

01:07:04.190 --> 01:07:05.750
spray or some dog spray.

01:07:05.810 --> 01:07:10.790
Now having OC, Oleoresin
Capsicum for people

01:07:11.240 --> 01:07:11.759
that's not allowed.

01:07:11.759 --> 01:07:12.250
Thats illegal.

01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:13.190
That's illegal.

01:07:13.820 --> 01:07:17.420
Mind you having it for
dogs or predatory animals

01:07:17.420 --> 01:07:18.590
is perfectly legal.

01:07:19.470 --> 01:07:20.640
And I mean,
that's the thing.

01:07:20.640 --> 01:07:22.470
We are not a society.

01:07:22.470 --> 01:07:25.770
Canadians, we are not
a society where, you

01:07:25.770 --> 01:07:28.259
know, we can tell people
that you have the right

01:07:28.259 --> 01:07:29.520
to stand your ground.

01:07:29.879 --> 01:07:34.080
Um, though it can be
interpreted in law.

01:07:34.950 --> 01:07:37.830
It's always better
to run away and fight

01:07:37.830 --> 01:07:39.600
another day than
to try and do that.

01:07:39.600 --> 01:07:42.960
So I always say the
idea of standing your

01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:46.470
ground only comes when
there's no other option.

01:07:47.279 --> 01:07:50.520
And, and you know, the,
the, the, as you say,

01:07:50.520 --> 01:07:53.970
the, the run hide or
fight, boy running, man

01:07:54.299 --> 01:07:56.940
best, but no one where
you're going to run and,

01:07:57.029 --> 01:08:00.060
and run it into a store,
uh, run to, you know,

01:08:00.060 --> 01:08:03.180
what appears to be, um,
and like you said, you

01:08:03.180 --> 01:08:05.670
talk about uniforms, but
virtually any uniform,

01:08:05.700 --> 01:08:09.060
like official uniform is
better than nothing else.

01:08:09.060 --> 01:08:12.450
So there's security
guards and, and, uh,

01:08:12.510 --> 01:08:14.910
a garbage truck, you
know, the uniform that

01:08:15.120 --> 01:08:19.319
the city of whatever
you're in engineering

01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:22.020
truckers there that
guy's got communication

01:08:22.020 --> 01:08:23.160
probably is going to
have a cell phone or

01:08:23.160 --> 01:08:24.149
a radio in that truck.

01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:26.310
But he's also, he's
at work, he's there,

01:08:26.660 --> 01:08:28.189
he's not going to,
you know, he's going

01:08:28.189 --> 01:08:30.649
to be a, a person you
can go to, you know?

01:08:30.859 --> 01:08:33.649
And so the run run to
something and it's not

01:08:33.649 --> 01:08:36.380
just, you know, run
away from the threat to

01:08:36.380 --> 01:08:39.560
something that's going to
benefit you in the end.

01:08:40.130 --> 01:08:43.310
The hide, you know,
I wanted to say that

01:08:43.310 --> 01:08:46.010
because when you brought
that hide up, hide, hide,

01:08:46.010 --> 01:08:48.109
what am I hiding from
hiding, from being seen,

01:08:48.290 --> 01:08:49.640
hiding from gunfire.

01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:51.830
Like, you know, that's
an important thing to

01:08:51.830 --> 01:08:52.830
think about, right?

01:08:52.830 --> 01:08:55.279
And you know, is the
guy who got a shoulder

01:08:55.490 --> 01:08:58.130
firearm because the
penetrative effect

01:08:58.130 --> 01:08:59.990
of rifle rounds
is much greater.

01:09:00.260 --> 01:09:03.200
So hiding means, you
know, some serious

01:09:03.200 --> 01:09:05.180
ballistic protection,
a big truck,

01:09:05.180 --> 01:09:06.080
anything like that.

01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:07.550
It's at a handgun.

01:09:07.769 --> 01:09:10.519
The threat is slightly
less ballistically, but

01:09:10.819 --> 01:09:12.979
you know what, if they're
shooting low, it, the

01:09:12.979 --> 01:09:14.840
bullets will ricochet
underneath the car.

01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:16.130
So if you going to
hide behind a car high

01:09:16.130 --> 01:09:19.609
behind the wheel, high
behind the engine block,

01:09:19.609 --> 01:09:21.950
the front of the car,
those sorts of things

01:09:21.950 --> 01:09:22.819
are really important.

01:09:22.819 --> 01:09:24.769
You know, it's
not just hide.

01:09:25.469 --> 01:09:27.425
Hiding might be
better than doing

01:09:27.425 --> 01:09:28.444
nothing, always.

01:09:28.745 --> 01:09:31.024
But now talk about,
well, if I could to duck

01:09:31.024 --> 01:09:34.024
behind that vehicle,
or if I got a choice

01:09:34.024 --> 01:09:36.725
of two that are equal
distance away, maybe I'm

01:09:36.725 --> 01:09:38.854
going to pick that, you
know, the big wheel on

01:09:38.854 --> 01:09:41.705
the one ton truck there
to get down behind it

01:09:41.705 --> 01:09:42.904
and hold that position.

01:09:43.055 --> 01:09:43.385
Right.

01:09:43.444 --> 01:09:43.745
You know?

01:09:43.955 --> 01:09:46.535
And then if I got to
hide, cause that's all

01:09:46.535 --> 01:09:49.234
I got, I now got to go
back to the run thing.

01:09:49.415 --> 01:09:53.285
So leaving my position,
if it means running

01:09:53.285 --> 01:09:56.285
across wide open
ground, that's not good.

01:09:56.905 --> 01:09:58.924
So you're differentiating
between cover

01:09:59.014 --> 01:10:00.205
and  concealment.

01:10:00.205 --> 01:10:00.545
Concealment.

01:10:00.545 --> 01:10:00.715
Yes.

01:10:00.755 --> 01:10:02.695
You know, and just
like, you know, hide and

01:10:02.695 --> 01:10:05.705
seek hiding or hiding
to get protection.

01:10:06.115 --> 01:10:06.385
Right.

01:10:06.415 --> 01:10:08.635
So people who are
listening, if you're

01:10:08.635 --> 01:10:11.425
hiding and they
can't see you, that'd

01:10:11.425 --> 01:10:12.865
be concealment,
you're concealed.

01:10:12.865 --> 01:10:13.525
They can't see you.

01:10:13.525 --> 01:10:13.765
Right.

01:10:13.855 --> 01:10:15.355
Whereas cover is
something that'd be

01:10:15.355 --> 01:10:16.525
much more preferable.

01:10:16.525 --> 01:10:19.135
And as you're saying,
Paul has got ballistic

01:10:19.705 --> 01:10:21.325
stopping capabilities.

01:10:21.385 --> 01:10:24.975
So the, the forces
that are, you know,

01:10:25.005 --> 01:10:26.805
at work here, they're
the professionals

01:10:26.805 --> 01:10:27.405
who are training.

01:10:27.405 --> 01:10:29.655
And we, we have now
recognized that the

01:10:29.655 --> 01:10:31.995
active shooter scenario
is a real thing.

01:10:32.475 --> 01:10:34.995
Uh, in a mall, in a
school, in a church

01:10:35.025 --> 01:10:35.835
we've seen it all.

01:10:35.835 --> 01:10:38.295
And you know, we've seen
it, you know, not just

01:10:38.295 --> 01:10:40.305
in the United States, but
we've seen it in Canada.

01:10:40.305 --> 01:10:41.505
We've seen it in Europe.

01:10:41.535 --> 01:10:44.085
And so one of the
things we talk about

01:10:44.085 --> 01:10:46.635
the hide is quiet.

01:10:47.145 --> 01:10:49.905
Hmm, we tell kids, uh, an
active shooter happens.

01:10:49.905 --> 01:10:52.515
Tell everybody, get, you
know, out of the way of

01:10:52.515 --> 01:10:54.705
any window, you know, in
the door, looking into

01:10:54.705 --> 01:10:56.955
the room, get down on
the floor and everybody

01:10:56.955 --> 01:11:00.225
shut up, shut the phones
off, you know, turn the

01:11:00.225 --> 01:11:02.145
lights, you know, down
all, at well, don't shut

01:11:02.145 --> 01:11:03.675
the phones off, but you
know, you don't want.

01:11:03.675 --> 01:11:04.695
That  ringer off.

01:11:04.695 --> 01:11:05.325
Shut the ringer off.

01:11:05.325 --> 01:11:06.375
You don't want
the light from the

01:11:06.375 --> 01:11:08.445
screen, reflecting
back into your face

01:11:08.445 --> 01:11:10.245
to give you a way so.

01:11:10.275 --> 01:11:12.065
And your loved ones, the
second they hear that

01:11:12.065 --> 01:11:14.495
there's something going
on at your location.

01:11:14.765 --> 01:11:15.815
Everyone's going
to be phoning your

01:11:15.815 --> 01:11:16.485
phone right away.

01:11:16.485 --> 01:11:16.945
Hide.

01:11:17.535 --> 01:11:20.375
So I, fighting,
quite often.

01:11:20.375 --> 01:11:23.785
So I've, I used to do a
fair bit of martial arts.

01:11:23.815 --> 01:11:26.675
I would do Muay Thai
and Arnis and Jujitsu

01:11:26.675 --> 01:11:28.955
and a few others.

01:11:28.955 --> 01:11:30.875
And people would say,
hey, what's the best

01:11:30.875 --> 01:11:32.705
martial or that I
just want to learn

01:11:32.705 --> 01:11:36.065
something so I can
have some self defense.

01:11:36.065 --> 01:11:39.695
I can protect myself and,
uh, time and time again.

01:11:39.695 --> 01:11:41.825
I tell them what's
way better than any

01:11:41.825 --> 01:11:44.555
martial art is basic
physical conditioning

01:11:46.139 --> 01:11:48.570
and your urban
awareness or situational

01:11:48.599 --> 01:11:49.650
situational awareness.

01:11:49.650 --> 01:11:52.410
You don't find yourself
in that situation.

01:11:52.410 --> 01:11:54.240
That is way better,
but if you have to do

01:11:54.240 --> 01:11:56.880
something, boxing's
great because it's great

01:11:56.880 --> 01:12:00.030
for the cardio and it
teaches you to take a hit

01:12:00.269 --> 01:12:02.280
and realize that you're
not made out of glass.

01:12:02.480 --> 01:12:02.720
Right.

01:12:03.230 --> 01:12:04.400
That's an important
thing, too.

01:12:04.780 --> 01:12:05.030
Sure.

01:12:05.059 --> 01:12:07.429
You know, if you, if it
does, you know, you've

01:12:07.429 --> 01:12:09.679
got to think about
this in this before

01:12:09.679 --> 01:12:12.260
scenario, you must
think about this now.

01:12:12.650 --> 01:12:18.200
If you get shot, stabbed,
punched really hard and

01:12:18.200 --> 01:12:20.750
you know that you've
been shot, punched or

01:12:20.750 --> 01:12:23.240
stabbed, you're okay.

01:12:23.240 --> 01:12:25.040
Cause you're, you're,
you're still aware.

01:12:25.429 --> 01:12:27.889
So that doesn't mean
anything other than I

01:12:27.889 --> 01:12:30.500
got to continue on to
get away from this or

01:12:30.500 --> 01:12:32.059
make it stop or whatever.

01:12:32.059 --> 01:12:34.970
And that's, that's a huge
thing because you know,

01:12:34.970 --> 01:12:36.110
I've watched people.

01:12:36.795 --> 01:12:40.755
I should say police
officers who get one

01:12:40.755 --> 01:12:42.825
punch and they're
out of the fight.

01:12:43.035 --> 01:12:43.425
Right?

01:12:43.485 --> 01:12:44.745
The nose starts to bleed.

01:12:44.925 --> 01:12:47.205
They turn and
roll away and you

01:12:47.205 --> 01:12:48.405
think, oh my gosh.

01:12:48.465 --> 01:12:53.325
And I've seen other,
you know, there are pure

01:12:53.325 --> 01:12:56.535
heroics where somebody
has got a broken finger,

01:12:56.535 --> 01:12:59.805
broken wrist, broken arm,
they continue the fight,

01:13:00.285 --> 01:13:02.955
you know, and, and that's
just, you know, the, how

01:13:02.955 --> 01:13:04.755
strong the mind can be.

01:13:05.175 --> 01:13:08.685
But the mind only gets
strong from considering

01:13:08.685 --> 01:13:12.165
what could happen and
developing that, you

01:13:12.165 --> 01:13:17.205
know, that that will
to live that will to,

01:13:17.225 --> 01:13:17.925
to get through it.

01:13:17.925 --> 01:13:20.535
So all of that, even
though we talk about the

01:13:20.535 --> 01:13:23.295
will, you know, should
be part of when it's

01:13:23.295 --> 01:13:26.445
happening training the
mind to have that will.

01:13:26.595 --> 01:13:26.955
Right.

01:13:27.165 --> 01:13:31.425
Always thinking about,
um, always thinking

01:13:31.425 --> 01:13:33.915
about what's important
to you beforehand, you

01:13:33.915 --> 01:13:39.644
know, people go, when
it happened, my, my life

01:13:39.674 --> 01:13:41.325
flashed before my eyes.

01:13:42.224 --> 01:13:43.714
And what were
you thinking?

01:13:43.744 --> 01:13:46.415
Well, I don't have
a will and how's my

01:13:46.415 --> 01:13:47.554
family going to get by.

01:13:48.125 --> 01:13:50.254
I had a fight with my
loved one and I didn't

01:13:50.254 --> 01:13:51.424
kiss them goodbye.

01:13:51.934 --> 01:13:53.735
You know, all
these things can

01:13:53.735 --> 01:13:55.955
have a negative
detractor on people.

01:13:55.955 --> 01:13:58.084
Now much more in
people that are in law

01:13:58.084 --> 01:14:01.054
enforcement or, you know,
in, in the military,

01:14:01.054 --> 01:14:02.855
where you know, where
we are putting them

01:14:02.855 --> 01:14:03.875
directly into harms.

01:14:03.884 --> 01:14:04.254
Right.

01:14:04.355 --> 01:14:07.355
It's not an if situation,
it's just a win-win

01:14:07.355 --> 01:14:08.134
situation with them.

01:14:08.554 --> 01:14:11.405
So it's incredibly
important even for

01:14:11.405 --> 01:14:14.165
us, if it is that if
situation, if we're just,

01:14:14.195 --> 01:14:17.285
you know, the citizenry
that we have your ducks

01:14:17.294 --> 01:14:21.634
in, in order, if you're
leaving to go to work and

01:14:21.634 --> 01:14:24.304
you've had a huge fight
with your, your other,

01:14:24.785 --> 01:14:27.570
you know, and you, you
just say, look we gotta

01:14:27.570 --> 01:14:30.120
stop fighting right now
because I'm going off,

01:14:30.480 --> 01:14:31.950
you know, I'm going to
be gone for a day or

01:14:31.950 --> 01:14:32.730
something like that.

01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:34.590
We'll resume when I
get back, I really

01:14:34.590 --> 01:14:36.810
look forward to that,
but we'll resume then.

01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:39.300
But for now, if you still
have feelings for that

01:14:39.300 --> 01:14:40.890
person at that point,
if it's not a total

01:14:40.890 --> 01:14:43.260
loss, tell 'em you got
feelings for them, make

01:14:43.260 --> 01:14:43.980
sure you get that off.

01:14:44.010 --> 01:14:46.650
Cause you know, having
that popping your

01:14:46.650 --> 01:14:48.360
head at the wrong
moment is not good.

01:14:48.360 --> 01:14:51.240
And I've, and I have
had the opportunity

01:14:51.240 --> 01:14:53.550
to talk to people who
said, you know what?

01:14:53.910 --> 01:14:56.910
I started thinking about
what I hadn't done when

01:14:56.910 --> 01:14:58.080
I was about to die.

01:14:58.470 --> 01:15:00.750
And I had to actually
stop thinking about

01:15:00.750 --> 01:15:03.150
that to get back
into the fight.

01:15:03.810 --> 01:15:05.670
And, uh, it was funny.

01:15:05.970 --> 01:15:07.860
We always talk about,
you know, the man

01:15:07.860 --> 01:15:08.970
who saw the elephant.

01:15:09.270 --> 01:15:11.880
So in the early 18
hundreds, not many people

01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:12.810
had seen the elephant.

01:15:13.020 --> 01:15:13.380
Right.

01:15:13.410 --> 01:15:14.850
But when people
started to travel

01:15:14.850 --> 01:15:19.665
specifically to hunt,
in Africa or at actually

01:15:19.665 --> 01:15:21.224
traveled as explorers.

01:15:21.675 --> 01:15:23.445
And they would come
back to, you know,

01:15:23.715 --> 01:15:26.835
modern Europe in
those days, modern or

01:15:26.835 --> 01:15:28.095
modern North America.

01:15:29.235 --> 01:15:31.054
Everybody wanted to hear
about what it was like

01:15:31.054 --> 01:15:31.985
to see the elephant.

01:15:33.545 --> 01:15:36.995
And when you find
somebody that's been

01:15:36.995 --> 01:15:40.804
in a true life or death
situation, before you

01:15:40.804 --> 01:15:43.025
get into one, you want
to listen to what the

01:15:43.025 --> 01:15:46.445
man or the woman who
saw the elephant has to

01:15:46.445 --> 01:15:50.585
say, everybody has a,
Oh, you know, they want

01:15:50.585 --> 01:15:52.325
to say, did you know,
what did you think of

01:15:52.325 --> 01:15:54.875
when you were seeing the
elephant and listen to

01:15:54.875 --> 01:15:55.784
what the person says.

01:15:55.784 --> 01:15:59.764
And I just put it, like,
I have heard people ask

01:15:59.764 --> 01:16:04.470
me, um, you know, Or ask
others who had been in a

01:16:04.470 --> 01:16:06.750
life or death situation,
did you think about, you

01:16:06.750 --> 01:16:08.700
know, did you leave the
coffee pot on at home

01:16:08.700 --> 01:16:09.540
or something like this?

01:16:09.810 --> 01:16:11.910
And these are things
that are typically

01:16:12.690 --> 01:16:14.580
put into the mind
by an, what I would

01:16:14.580 --> 01:16:16.110
call a non-combatant.

01:16:16.980 --> 01:16:19.200
And there are
non-combatants out there

01:16:19.200 --> 01:16:21.210
years and years ago,
there was a book written,

01:16:21.540 --> 01:16:24.840
uh, by, uh, Wambaugh,
uh, who did a lot of,

01:16:25.140 --> 01:16:28.320
you know, police style
novels based many of it

01:16:28.320 --> 01:16:32.040
around the LAPD, but one
of his true novels or

01:16:32.040 --> 01:16:35.010
not true novels, one of
his, uh, historically

01:16:35.010 --> 01:16:36.780
correct books was
called The Onion Field

01:16:38.460 --> 01:16:39.480
in the late sixties.

01:16:39.480 --> 01:16:41.460
A couple of detectives
robbery detectives

01:16:41.460 --> 01:16:42.510
were taken hostage.

01:16:42.810 --> 01:16:43.920
Uh, they were taken out.

01:16:44.190 --> 01:16:46.560
One was murdered in an
under onion field, the

01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:47.280
other one survived.

01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:48.110
Hmm.

01:16:49.430 --> 01:16:52.880
From that situation,
they developed a whole

01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:56.960
series of, you know,
post critical event, you

01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:00.764
know, ideas and one of
the things was they said

01:17:00.764 --> 01:17:02.085
was, you know, we had
to tell people what it

01:17:02.085 --> 01:17:03.945
might be like to go to
through a critical event.

01:17:04.514 --> 01:17:06.405
And people were saying,
you know, don't worry,

01:17:06.405 --> 01:17:08.355
after the critical
event, you might become

01:17:08.355 --> 01:17:10.905
a bed wetter or a
kleptomaniac or, you

01:17:10.905 --> 01:17:12.405
know, you're going to
have marital problems.

01:17:12.735 --> 01:17:14.144
And they were telling
him, police officers

01:17:14.144 --> 01:17:17.085
in particular, it's not
unusual if you get into,

01:17:17.264 --> 01:17:20.565
you know, a on-duty
shooting to leave the

01:17:20.565 --> 01:17:23.355
job within two years
because of the stresses

01:17:23.355 --> 01:17:23.985
and everything else.

01:17:24.014 --> 01:17:25.575
And this went on for
the longest time.

01:17:25.965 --> 01:17:28.245
And I still remember as
a baby cop, listening to

01:17:28.245 --> 01:17:30.045
the Academy instructor,
talk about that stuff.

01:17:30.495 --> 01:17:33.735
And because I was
fully embracing the

01:17:33.735 --> 01:17:36.405
concept of lethal force
training, I started to

01:17:36.405 --> 01:17:37.985
listen other people.

01:17:38.825 --> 01:17:43.665
And what I say is,
don't think that,

01:17:43.815 --> 01:17:46.785
because that's a self
fulfilling prophecy.

01:17:46.875 --> 01:17:50.384
If you think that you get
into something beforehand

01:17:50.594 --> 01:17:52.394
and you start to say, Oh
my God, if this happens

01:17:52.394 --> 01:17:53.684
to me, I'm finished.

01:17:53.684 --> 01:17:56.355
I'm going to become
impotent, my, my marriage

01:17:56.355 --> 01:17:58.335
will end all these it's
it's going to happen.

01:17:58.905 --> 01:17:59.174
Hmm.

01:17:59.715 --> 01:18:01.934
One of the things you
need to do and tell

01:18:01.934 --> 01:18:03.615
yourself, well, I, maybe
I'm going to spoil it.

01:18:03.615 --> 01:18:04.575
You know, I, I
don't want it.

01:18:04.844 --> 01:18:06.315
I've got to talk
about after.

01:18:06.465 --> 01:18:06.855
Sure.

01:18:06.884 --> 01:18:09.255
How you should feel
if you are, you know,

01:18:09.554 --> 01:18:11.025
applying everything
that we're, we're

01:18:11.025 --> 01:18:11.924
leading up to here.

01:18:12.634 --> 01:18:13.594
No, that sounds good.

01:18:13.655 --> 01:18:15.995
But, uh, what a man
thinks he will do.

01:18:16.085 --> 01:18:16.474
Right.

01:18:16.535 --> 01:18:17.105
Essentially.

01:18:17.134 --> 01:18:18.844
And so you want to
program yourself with

01:18:18.875 --> 01:18:20.014
all these right inputs.

01:18:20.075 --> 01:18:20.615
Exactly.

01:18:20.615 --> 01:18:22.745
And if you're being
programmed by a

01:18:22.745 --> 01:18:25.835
non-combatant, somebody
who doesn't have the

01:18:25.835 --> 01:18:28.684
grounding to, to put
themselves forward

01:18:28.684 --> 01:18:32.805
for all this stuff,
I mean, I'll tell you

01:18:32.805 --> 01:18:34.755
when we start talking
about during, I've got

01:18:34.755 --> 01:18:37.095
some examples, personal
examples that I can

01:18:37.095 --> 01:18:39.385
offer up that rings.

01:18:39.385 --> 01:18:42.975
So true to one that
combat and told me

01:18:42.975 --> 01:18:44.745
what I might experience
going through, but

01:18:44.925 --> 01:18:47.955
let's go back, listen
to the people who

01:18:47.955 --> 01:18:51.015
have done stuff and
have been successful.

01:18:51.225 --> 01:18:52.545
And what were the
things they do?

01:18:52.875 --> 01:18:54.435
You have interviewed
people who have

01:18:54.435 --> 01:18:57.105
survived, bear attacks,
what did they do?

01:18:57.405 --> 01:18:58.935
They became resourceful.

01:18:59.325 --> 01:19:02.565
Now, you know, there
was the guy that pulled

01:19:02.565 --> 01:19:04.755
out that little pocket
knife, which was not a

01:19:04.755 --> 01:19:07.575
flip open knife he had
to, and that was it.

01:19:07.725 --> 01:19:11.715
But he remembered that he
had a knife, he knew that

01:19:11.715 --> 01:19:14.295
he had to do something,
he got the knife

01:19:14.295 --> 01:19:15.735
out and that was it.

01:19:16.005 --> 01:19:17.585
You know why he did that?

01:19:18.275 --> 01:19:20.615
He did that because
of a story that was

01:19:20.615 --> 01:19:23.045
written, I think it was
in Gary Shelton's book.

01:19:23.405 --> 01:19:26.765
Talk, one of the bear
attack books and there,

01:19:26.795 --> 01:19:29.645
I believe it was a
indigenous fellow,

01:19:30.224 --> 01:19:33.315
who was attacked by a
bear and used his buck

01:19:33.315 --> 01:19:35.325
knife that he had and
stabbed the bear and

01:19:35.325 --> 01:19:38.565
kept stabbing the bear
until he was able to

01:19:38.835 --> 01:19:41.565
escape from the bear
and crawl himself out

01:19:41.565 --> 01:19:42.825
some far distance away.

01:19:42.855 --> 01:19:45.605
And this guy who was
in a bear attack Colin

01:19:45.605 --> 01:19:48.465
Dowler, he said, I
remembered that story

01:19:48.554 --> 01:19:51.764
cause I remembered
that as his heuristic,

01:19:51.764 --> 01:19:54.794
there is action
reaction and result.

01:19:54.825 --> 01:19:57.014
And he says, if I can
only get my knife out

01:19:57.495 --> 01:19:59.655
and I'll just stab the
bear in the neck as

01:19:59.655 --> 01:20:02.084
many times as I can,
until it lets me go.

01:20:02.565 --> 01:20:06.224
And he says, I remember
being so upset when

01:20:06.224 --> 01:20:09.434
I stuck it in his
neck and I was only

01:20:09.434 --> 01:20:12.075
able to get one stab
in before it really

01:20:12.075 --> 01:20:13.125
started thrashing me.

01:20:13.455 --> 01:20:15.344
And he says, but I
said, one thing, the

01:20:15.344 --> 01:20:17.054
only thing I said the
entire time that this

01:20:17.054 --> 01:20:17.985
bear attack happened.

01:20:18.044 --> 01:20:20.625
And he says, I look back
on it and I'd like to

01:20:20.625 --> 01:20:23.144
think that I talked to
the bear ahead of time,

01:20:23.144 --> 01:20:24.075
like go away, bear.

01:20:24.254 --> 01:20:26.445
He says, I don't know
if I did, but I do know

01:20:26.714 --> 01:20:29.284
that the second I stuck
that knife and I saw a

01:20:29.284 --> 01:20:30.464
russ of blood come out.

01:20:30.794 --> 01:20:32.684
He says, now you're
bleeding too bear.

01:20:33.165 --> 01:20:37.275
And that stuck with
him, that pre mental

01:20:37.275 --> 01:20:38.554
programming is.

01:20:38.724 --> 01:20:39.945
Got him to that point.

01:20:39.945 --> 01:20:41.285
Is what he says,
saved his life.

01:20:41.315 --> 01:20:42.695
And then the fact
that this other

01:20:42.695 --> 01:20:43.865
fellow in the story.

01:20:44.519 --> 01:20:46.950
The guy couldn't see his
face was all mauled and

01:20:46.950 --> 01:20:48.629
he crawled out for miles.

01:20:48.660 --> 01:20:53.360
Well, Colin gets up on
his bicycle, falls down.

01:20:53.379 --> 01:20:56.009
He's only got one good
leg and he's got, you

01:20:56.009 --> 01:20:57.960
can see his internal
organs through his back

01:20:57.960 --> 01:21:01.019
apparently, gets back
up on the bike again.

01:21:01.049 --> 01:21:03.179
And he says, I better
not fall off again

01:21:03.179 --> 01:21:04.110
because I don't know
if I'll be able to

01:21:04.110 --> 01:21:04.950
get back up again.

01:21:04.950 --> 01:21:07.740
And he rode that bike,
I think it was seven

01:21:07.740 --> 01:21:10.559
miles that he rode with
his one good foot kind

01:21:10.559 --> 01:21:13.349
of pushing and peddling
based on the fact that he

01:21:13.349 --> 01:21:17.009
downloaded in his head,
that you could do that.

01:21:17.499 --> 01:21:19.830
Just like you said, okay,
you're shot or you're

01:21:19.830 --> 01:21:21.660
stabbed, man that sucks.

01:21:21.660 --> 01:21:22.320
But you know what?

01:21:22.320 --> 01:21:24.570
I realize it,
and I'm not dead.

01:21:25.019 --> 01:21:25.160
Right.

01:21:25.170 --> 01:21:26.400
So that means I
can keep going.

01:21:26.490 --> 01:21:26.880
Right.

01:21:27.630 --> 01:21:28.440
Not giving up.

01:21:28.620 --> 01:21:31.019
And, and, and that's the
thing, you know, like,

01:21:31.139 --> 01:21:32.910
know ahead of time, I'm
not going to give up

01:21:32.940 --> 01:21:36.120
if I'm conscious and
aware, I'm still in it.

01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:39.540
And still in it, again,
we're not talking about

01:21:39.570 --> 01:21:41.519
the fighting side of
it, but the getting away

01:21:41.519 --> 01:21:45.420
from, and getting on to
return back to, you know,

01:21:45.570 --> 01:21:47.370
your, your normal life,
what it, what it was.

01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:51.150
And one of the other
things, when people

01:21:51.150 --> 01:21:53.280
say, Oh, if it happens
to you once, it's never

01:21:53.280 --> 01:21:56.220
going to happen again,
don't ever say that

01:21:56.220 --> 01:21:57.210
one, trust me on that.

01:21:57.660 --> 01:22:01.019
Um, but, uh, yeah,
getting back to this

01:22:02.160 --> 01:22:05.940
so much of what we can
download to get us ready

01:22:05.940 --> 01:22:07.380
for things is important.

01:22:08.010 --> 01:22:11.309
And I mean, you know, the
lost art of reading other

01:22:11.309 --> 01:22:14.389
people's experiences
and you know, now in

01:22:14.389 --> 01:22:19.680
a, in a very, um, light
state of code yellow,

01:22:19.710 --> 01:22:22.710
you know, when you're
on your next opportunity

01:22:22.710 --> 01:22:24.450
to get out somewhere
where it's quiet and you

01:22:24.450 --> 01:22:27.030
really are, you know,
pretty much devoid of any

01:22:27.030 --> 01:22:28.830
threats to really study
a book that somebody

01:22:28.830 --> 01:22:31.230
else has talked about
who's survived these.

01:22:31.230 --> 01:22:35.010
You know, it's funny
because again, I

01:22:35.010 --> 01:22:38.250
remember, uh, listening
to a lot of people saying

01:22:38.250 --> 01:22:40.140
how many times things
have happened to them.

01:22:41.610 --> 01:22:43.050
And that's the other
thing too, is not only

01:22:43.060 --> 01:22:44.880
you prepare a head,
but did you learn

01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:45.930
from the time before?

01:22:46.380 --> 01:22:46.740
Right.

01:22:47.490 --> 01:22:49.850
You know, and they
say the best predictor

01:22:49.850 --> 01:22:51.830
of future performance
is past performance.

01:22:51.860 --> 01:22:52.070
Right.

01:22:52.550 --> 01:22:54.740
Take a look at past
performance, use that to

01:22:54.740 --> 01:22:57.140
develop your heuristics
as you move forward.

01:22:57.380 --> 01:22:58.610
And that's, what's
going to do it.

01:22:58.610 --> 01:23:01.820
So, yeah, we, uh,
you know, it's very

01:23:01.820 --> 01:23:04.910
important and we talk
about before and let's,

01:23:04.910 --> 01:23:07.220
first of all, you know,
just a bit of a recap

01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:10.520
will it happen for sure?

01:23:10.550 --> 01:23:12.080
No, but it, it could.

01:23:12.900 --> 01:23:16.785
Accept that it could
,don't deny don't,

01:23:16.785 --> 01:23:18.915
uh, don't walk
into it oblivious.

01:23:19.875 --> 01:23:22.425
Tell yourself, you
know, right now that,

01:23:22.425 --> 01:23:24.585
uh, if something
out of the ordinary

01:23:24.585 --> 01:23:26.445
happens, I'm going to
pay attention to it.

01:23:27.075 --> 01:23:30.855
So I'm going to keep
myself in a state of, we

01:23:30.855 --> 01:23:34.005
could even say curiosity,
you know, be curious,

01:23:34.005 --> 01:23:35.325
but be out there in it.

01:23:35.565 --> 01:23:40.245
And that yellow state of
relaxed awareness is, is

01:23:40.245 --> 01:23:43.710
going to keep you above
you know, your sight

01:23:43.710 --> 01:23:46.379
lines high, you're going
to be above the sidewalk.

01:23:46.379 --> 01:23:47.219
You're looking ahead.

01:23:47.490 --> 01:23:48.750
You're taking in
what's there and

01:23:48.750 --> 01:23:50.849
you can, it also be
entertained by that too.

01:23:50.879 --> 01:23:52.799
There's this, you know,
you've always got to

01:23:52.799 --> 01:23:55.170
look at that side of it,
but getting completely

01:23:55.170 --> 01:23:57.269
involved in whatever's
going on on your phone,

01:23:57.299 --> 01:23:59.910
you now need to go
indoor somewhere, put

01:23:59.910 --> 01:24:02.940
your back against a
wall, or, you know, make

01:24:02.940 --> 01:24:04.889
sure that you've got
somebody with you to

01:24:04.889 --> 01:24:06.089
watch what's going on.

01:24:06.089 --> 01:24:08.580
Like that, that might
be a consideration

01:24:08.580 --> 01:24:11.190
now, but for, you know,
three people to huddle

01:24:11.190 --> 01:24:13.110
together with their
heads, touching, bent

01:24:13.110 --> 01:24:15.839
over their phones, man.

01:24:15.870 --> 01:24:18.070
Fuck good is that
doin.You know, you,

01:24:18.360 --> 01:24:20.250
you, you wouldn't
see quail doing that.

01:24:20.400 --> 01:24:21.030
I'll tell ya.

01:24:21.389 --> 01:24:25.139
So anyways, that,
that state of yellow

01:24:25.500 --> 01:24:28.559
ready to go to orange
when need be, because.

01:24:28.980 --> 01:24:30.870
Hey, something doesn't
look right here.

01:24:31.110 --> 01:24:34.590
Something I like the
absence of ordinary

01:24:34.590 --> 01:24:37.500
has now a cap has now
occurred that something

01:24:37.500 --> 01:24:38.970
doesn't look right
with a vehicle, the,

01:24:39.059 --> 01:24:41.790
the way our vehicles
driving somebody slowing

01:24:41.790 --> 01:24:42.900
down to look at you.

01:24:42.900 --> 01:24:45.059
Somebody's walking
faster to catch up with

01:24:45.059 --> 01:24:46.890
you or appears to be.

01:24:47.460 --> 01:24:48.840
And that's the
thing, what does

01:24:48.849 --> 01:24:49.860
it appear to be?

01:24:50.370 --> 01:24:52.380
And in a state of
orange, you're going

01:24:52.380 --> 01:24:54.930
to go, okay, this
appears, Oh, alright.

01:24:54.990 --> 01:24:57.390
Oh no, he's just speeding
up cause he wants to

01:24:57.599 --> 01:24:59.190
talk to his friend
because that person now

01:24:59.220 --> 01:25:01.110
turns around and you
know, there's obvious

01:25:01.110 --> 01:25:02.610
signs of a greeting
and that's legit.

01:25:02.700 --> 01:25:04.559
And now you're back to
yellow and back to your

01:25:04.559 --> 01:25:10.160
thing, knowing when to
go code red, that the

01:25:10.160 --> 01:25:14.180
fight is, is no longer
imminent it's now on.

01:25:14.480 --> 01:25:16.400
And then the behaviours
that you need to

01:25:16.400 --> 01:25:18.710
display at that point
should all be thought

01:25:18.710 --> 01:25:21.645
about before you go
into code red, right?

01:25:21.675 --> 01:25:23.175
That's now that's,
that's in that

01:25:23.445 --> 01:25:24.465
relaxed state of mind.

01:25:24.495 --> 01:25:27.705
That's, you know, in
the time before I, I, I

01:25:27.705 --> 01:25:29.985
lay me down to sleep is,
you know, a great time

01:25:29.985 --> 01:25:32.325
to download the stuff
to your subconscious.

01:25:32.625 --> 01:25:34.275
You're very receptive
at that time.

01:25:34.485 --> 01:25:36.285
You think you're tired,
but you know, the number

01:25:36.285 --> 01:25:37.905
of people will tell
you how they cram when

01:25:37.905 --> 01:25:40.245
they study, before you
go to sleep and it, and

01:25:40.245 --> 01:25:42.555
it comes back to them,
you know, it's good.

01:25:42.555 --> 01:25:44.595
And that's, that's the
whole idea of this.

01:25:46.185 --> 01:25:48.975
The time for NIC
cognition is not in the

01:25:48.975 --> 01:25:49.785
middle of the fight.

01:25:49.785 --> 01:25:51.585
Your cognitive
mind is going to

01:25:51.585 --> 01:25:53.805
be gone, you know.

01:25:53.895 --> 01:25:54.765
It's going to
be reactive.

01:25:54.795 --> 01:25:55.245
That's right.

01:25:55.275 --> 01:25:57.975
And if you're not
trained, you're, you're,

01:25:58.185 --> 01:25:59.205
you know, it's not there.

01:25:59.445 --> 01:26:01.845
If you're trained, you
know, and if you're

01:26:01.845 --> 01:26:04.575
classically trained
in whatever discipline

01:26:04.575 --> 01:26:06.675
it is, be it martial
arts firearms or

01:26:06.675 --> 01:26:08.685
anything else, you
do so many things in

01:26:08.685 --> 01:26:10.395
a reactionary way.

01:26:10.845 --> 01:26:15.825
Um, Or I hate to use the
word instinctive, cause

01:26:15.825 --> 01:26:19.515
it's not, but you use it
from a, at a subconscious

01:26:19.515 --> 01:26:21.255
level, but you use it
efficiently through

01:26:21.255 --> 01:26:23.835
repetition and training
that is there, that you

01:26:23.835 --> 01:26:26.985
actually do get some
cognitive powers, you

01:26:26.985 --> 01:26:27.885
know, to help you out.

01:26:27.885 --> 01:26:29.205
You will be
stronger in that.

01:26:29.445 --> 01:26:30.945
You're not gonna
just, you know, I

01:26:30.945 --> 01:26:34.125
mean, I watched an
individual, uh, who

01:26:34.125 --> 01:26:37.275
got into Muay Thai and
that individual police

01:26:37.275 --> 01:26:39.945
officer was worried
about making themselves

01:26:39.945 --> 01:26:41.625
better for the streets
and everything else.

01:26:41.625 --> 01:26:44.145
And then they started
doing it, loved it, uh,

01:26:44.435 --> 01:26:47.835
was having fun doing Muay
Thai was confidence level

01:26:47.835 --> 01:26:52.665
was way up decided by,
uh, the instructor said,

01:26:52.725 --> 01:26:55.065
you know, would you like
to fight a match, like

01:26:55.065 --> 01:26:59.205
a legit, you know, full
contact match and pads

01:26:59.205 --> 01:26:59.955
and everything on it?

01:27:00.195 --> 01:27:00.495
Yeah.

01:27:00.495 --> 01:27:01.185
Let's go for, it.

01:27:01.635 --> 01:27:04.155
Took two punches in
the face and went into

01:27:04.155 --> 01:27:07.245
complete, you know,
automaton mode and all

01:27:07.245 --> 01:27:08.655
those skills stopped.

01:27:08.775 --> 01:27:11.415
Windmilling now was
going in, you know,

01:27:11.415 --> 01:27:14.145
screaming, trying to bite
everything until they.

01:27:14.285 --> 01:27:15.245
What did Mike Tyson say?

01:27:15.275 --> 01:27:17.795
Yeah, everyone's got
a plan till they get

01:27:17.795 --> 01:27:18.575
punched in the face.

01:27:18.685 --> 01:27:20.225
They get punched in the
face and that's what

01:27:20.225 --> 01:27:23.250
happened, but, you know,
That individual learned

01:27:23.250 --> 01:27:25.259
to gather themselves
from it and would later

01:27:25.320 --> 01:27:27.900
be better for it, you
know, but that's just it.

01:27:28.080 --> 01:27:28.440
Okay.

01:27:28.500 --> 01:27:30.259
So a whole ton of notes.

01:27:30.259 --> 01:27:31.339
I think we should
be looking at

01:27:31.339 --> 01:27:31.940
wrapping them up.

01:27:31.969 --> 01:27:32.179
Okay.

01:27:32.450 --> 01:27:34.910
The there's going to be
things that we didn't

01:27:34.910 --> 01:27:37.490
touch on and maybe people
listening or watching to

01:27:37.490 --> 01:27:39.709
this would like to add
their own experiences

01:27:39.709 --> 01:27:42.320
or things that they've
seen that works for them.

01:27:42.500 --> 01:27:44.750
One thing I would
encourage is when

01:27:44.750 --> 01:27:47.059
we're developing
our heuristics,

01:27:47.059 --> 01:27:49.549
when we're doing our
scene assessments,

01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:51.709
use all your senses.

01:27:51.740 --> 01:27:52.160
Yes.

01:27:52.309 --> 01:27:55.790
If you look at the person
and you see they're

01:27:55.790 --> 01:27:58.330
obviously they got the
cauliflower ears and

01:27:58.370 --> 01:28:00.110
it looks like they've
taken a few hits before.

01:28:00.740 --> 01:28:02.480
They're not going to
shy away from a fight.

01:28:02.929 --> 01:28:05.360
If you can smell alcohol
on breath, right.

01:28:05.389 --> 01:28:07.219
Well, okay, they might
not act in the same way

01:28:07.219 --> 01:28:08.419
that sober person would.

01:28:08.450 --> 01:28:12.589
If you can hear certain
things happening.

01:28:12.589 --> 01:28:14.330
And my buddy would
say, he says, you know,

01:28:14.330 --> 01:28:17.809
weird thing was, um,
the dogs didn't bark

01:28:17.809 --> 01:28:19.290
for the Taliban, right.

01:28:19.380 --> 01:28:21.480
And he says, I don't
know if it's, the

01:28:21.480 --> 01:28:23.460
locals knew that an
attack was happening

01:28:23.460 --> 01:28:25.019
and they'd bring their
dogs in, but there is

01:28:25.019 --> 01:28:26.890
an absence of normal,
the dogs wouldn't bark.

01:28:26.910 --> 01:28:30.390
So he was bringing in
all the different senses.

01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:34.050
And after a while,
it's just something

01:28:34.050 --> 01:28:37.019
that will allow you to
write almost everything

01:28:37.019 --> 01:28:39.500
off except for what is
the absence of normal.

01:28:39.780 --> 01:28:39.900
Right.

01:28:39.900 --> 01:28:40.730
I agree.

01:28:41.390 --> 01:28:42.320
Why is that light out?

01:28:42.350 --> 01:28:43.970
Why is, you know, Oh,
I just think it's so

01:28:43.970 --> 01:28:45.830
many things when you
do that, but stuff

01:28:45.830 --> 01:28:46.730
we pay attention to.

01:28:47.660 --> 01:28:50.120
Well, why don't
we call it there?

01:28:50.300 --> 01:28:52.430
There's a ton of stuff
we didn't touch on,

01:28:52.430 --> 01:28:55.820
but this should be a
good primer for others

01:28:55.820 --> 01:28:57.019
too, to build upon.

01:28:57.019 --> 01:28:58.970
And they might have
certain questions that

01:28:58.970 --> 01:29:00.769
we'll put into the
during, cause that's

01:29:00.769 --> 01:29:02.240
going to be, that'll
be an interesting one.

01:29:02.240 --> 01:29:03.410
And I know Paul
you've caught a

01:29:03.410 --> 01:29:04.190
lot for that one.

01:29:04.870 --> 01:29:05.450
Stay tuned.