Eric Rieger
0:00 Hello gut check project fans and KB MD health family. I hope you're having a great day. This is your host, Eric Rieger, soon to be joined by my awesome co host, Dr. Keith Brown. It's Episode 57 of the gut check project. And today's topic is kind of, well, it's a few different things. Let's just put it that way. We let our guard down a little bit, we get a few emails say don't be so tight. So we're not. And Anna, if you're listening, thanks for the feedback. She's an awesome technician that we have at the GI center. So without further delay, let's get into the sponsorships Of course, are trying to get your daily polyphenols that are trying to calm it's a lot easier just to go to love my tummy.com slash KB MD. Get your daily polyphenols It doesn't matter if you're an athlete, or if you have IBS, like symptoms, or if you just simply want to make certain that your body has the tools necessary for your gut microbiome to give your body things like your living and course attend etc. It's all inside the large cup broncho poly phenol molecules and I slowed down there for a little bit because we talked about it quite a bit. But again, the cook broncho poly phenol molecule specifically and almost exclusively found only and I'll try and do so get yours today. Love My tummy.com and of course unrefined bakery, unrefined bakery.com amazing food doesn't matter if you're keto paleo gluten free vaid got it unrefined bakery.com that's on refined bakery.com they delivered to all 48 states continuous sorry, Alaska, Hawaii. They just don't have the means to transport. Some of these very perishable yet delectable items. They're far away. So what's that say? It says that they only want to deliver fresh, great tasting food, go to unrefined a bakery.com use code gut check and save 20% off of your very first order. And last but not least, KB MD health comm go there and get your very own CBD endorsed by my partner Doug brown as well as his baby artron deal and also Brock elite you can get all three of those at KB MD health calm around the clock because it's online. It's an online store very very easy to order. Use code gene CP to save 20% Okay, let's get into it. It's Episode Number 57
Hello, go check project fans and KB MD health family. I hope you having a great day it is now Episode 57 This is my awesome co host Keith Brown. I'm Eric Grenier what's up Ken?
Ken Brown
2:58 Oh man, I'm excited Episode 57 so we did our little three part series tried something interesting but didn't want to make a three hour podcast over one topic erectile dysfunction. That seems like it'd be a little heavy after a little bit.
Eric Rieger
3:10 three hour Boehner talk.
Ken Brown
3:14 There's, there's some science behind that one, maybe a little too sciency. I don't know. That's, uh, I feel like sometimes I go down rabbit holes. And I apologize if I'm too much of a nerd. But you know,
Eric Rieger
3:24 we're gonna call this episode two scientists one lab.
Ken Brown
3:30 You're doing a reference on the two bears one cave.
Eric Rieger
3:34 Bert kreischer and Tom Segura our get familiar, but we're going to try to not get too sciency today, have a little fun with some health science and probably show a little bit more of just how we talk in the lab. That's really what.
Ken Brown
3:49 Yeah, so we're sitting there scoping and one of our great texts on I was sitting there saying, hey, sometimes you guys get a little too sterile, like you're too eager to talk about the science and I'm like, Okay, and then you and I got to talk and because this past weekend, it typical things. I'm driving Lucas, up to Melissa, Texas, which is like 45 minutes north of where we live. And my son 16. Lucas goes, Oh, on this great podcast. I had never heard it. So I'm listening to two bears. 1k with Bert kreischer and Tom Segura. Just like, This is nuts. I spent like hours preparing these guys literally are like, I'm gonna get out of bed, not brush my teeth and show up and there's a whole episode on just that not brushing your teeth.
Eric Rieger
4:35 Kind of pisses me off a little bit because Joe Rogan and all of his comedy guests talking about how hard stand up comedy is, and what I see them do is just stand in front of a microphone and
Ken Brown
4:46 like, whatever thought pops in their head does that. Sorry. Anyway, so Okay, so we're two scientists, one lab, two scientists one lab,
Eric Rieger
4:52 at least for Episode 57. Email us as we go through here, and let us know what you think. Oh, just do a quick recap. Though, Episode 55 through 57, pretty, pretty awesome. Talking about certain viral infections and erectile dysfunction if you haven't seen 56 or 5556 57 get caught up. And I think we're kind of being shadow banned a little bit by YouTube. And suddenly,
Ken Brown
5:18 because now we're looking at these different podcasts like,
Eric Rieger
5:23 everywhere we go.
Ken Brown
5:25 It's fascinating because now we're seeing all this stuff. When you look at Dark Horse podcast, Brett Weinstein's, and he is blatantly open, he's like, I'm gonna put this up, it's gonna last for a little bit, and then it's just gonna disappear, because what I'm talking about is controversial. And we were talking about some viral infections, that can actually cause inflammation, resulting in long standing, erectile dysfunction, which I think is extremely important, because we're going to be seeing a lot more of this, even if it's not important, irrelevant to you at least hope that this can be passed on to a urologist in the future that looks and goes, Oh, this is why I'm seeing younger men with this. But it's really interesting because I tried to search it in different ways, and it's not popping up, then you search our poly phenol ones. It's like, well, right there.
Eric Rieger
6:04 Yeah, man before, before the pandemic, hey, you can search any of our topics on the show, and it will pop up immediately. And that's, that's, that's what's happening. So if you like what you hear, just try to like and share share with a friend. And then obviously, we just we're just wanting to share information. It's not it's not medical advice. It's just, it's just stuff that we read. And we feel like it's important. It's how we talk to the patients when they come to the clinic.
Ken Brown
6:27 Yeah, exactly. You and I both did something recommended by Mike Logsdon. for business. We both read the same book this week. This is almost a book club right now. Yeah, start with why by Simon Sinek. So I'm gonna ask you everything that we do. And it's really fascinating, because so much so that Jr. Actually texted me and said, Hey, you should consider getting this for your family. And you should for yours also. But really, it plays into everything. It's a book by Chris Bosh that says letters. For a young athlete,
Eric Rieger
7:03 something like that. But that's the one that letters through young athletes. Pat Riley in it. Yeah,
Ken Brown
7:07 it's Pat Riley, it's letter three athletes. What's fascinating is that the guy was on a podcast, the author and he was discussing. When you go into something, whatever skill you're trying to do, there has to be a why because eventually you achieve what you want. If you're an athlete, if you're a pro athlete, you get the fame, you get the money, you get that but if you don't have the why, then everything falls off as a physician. You go into school and you say I need to get four oh, I need to get four oh, I need to get through high school. To get through college. I need to get into med school. I need to get in good residency, I need to get into a fellowship. And then all of a sudden you're there and you're like, I'm here. Yeah. What's my Why now? And I think that that is it was such an interesting read because it's a business book. But really, what is your WHY? Your why to do things? What is our why for doing this?
Eric Rieger
7:52 Oh, this this podcast? Yeah. I can't believe nobody even watched I think one of the coolest why's is each week or each sometimes every other week. But we are kind of just forced into immersing ourselves into new territory, which is awesome, because it's actually the part that drew me into healthcare in the first place. How can I help? How How can we help it's not just me, it's it's a collaboration, you get a lot of information, you do the research, read things online, you talk to patients, you get the feedback you you see what works and sometimes, unfortunately, see what doesn't work, but we're just we're forced to learn so that we can hopefully help someone get better. And that's it.
Ken Brown
8:33 Yeah, that's the bottom line. Like I've realized how much I've researched how much I've learned how much we're unearthing and today's episode will be just like that eventually when we get to the but that's what happens when you show up to two scientists one's lab
Eric Rieger
8:45 no yes all the time. Now logs in had a good idea that read that book and I liked it because it had you separate what why is because sometimes you may say oh yeah no why is why is I need to get down the road No, that's that's how that's the how Yeah, you've got to figure out what the goal or the purpose really not even the goal the purpose of a goal could just be a mile marker but the purpose of what you're doing and why you're doing it and yeah logged in good find
Ken Brown
9:17 I love it because I believe that everything about my life has been about a why including developing on Tron to including getting into the CBD world including trying to do yeah, there was always a why behind it. But if you're not always thinking about that you get bogged down by the ones.
Eric Rieger
9:34 As a witness I can remember if you never set out and said I want to get into CBD. You said I wonder if CBD will help the patient and we you came up with I won't go through all of them but a few different scenarios. And it was never we need to shoehorn CBD in to help make it work. Yeah, it was never that which I found to be. We set it on the show before I actually thought that we would be led down by the use of CBD. I was like Man who knows I hear people say all kinds of stuff. Suddenly the lie was more or less realized just by sticking to how do we best find the right people to do this with? Yeah.
Ken Brown
10:10 And then even like without try until the why was I need to find something in a natural way to treat people that there's no pharmaceutical solution. Oh yeah. And now the wires become holy cow. There's so much more to this. And there's so much untapped potential of these beautiful molecules. And if you look at other episodes where we hit you, Sylvia Molino, Charlene, I will then hit and then beaten Charlene rambutan brilliant scientists, PhDs. And they're teaching us about stuff that I had no idea about a molecule that I'm wrapping, you know that I'm going all in on on this, and we've got it. But when you get away from the why, then it becomes the wire sales like this this month, why don't you know and you just go, Okay, let's just take it let's take a step back. That's the what that is a focus on the why metric is what your metric is, uh,
Eric Rieger
10:59 what you know, what's cool is he can come back and benefit you directly. And I'm just gonna use your most recent example. You hurt your neck. And you went in to go see Wade McKenna. And I would say the now you're feeling great are much, much, much,
Ken Brown
11:14 much better, much better.
Eric Rieger
11:14 That being said, if we hadn't been on the pursuit of that, why, how do we help people? How do we share that information? I don't think that you would have been nearly as gung ho to go and see someone like Wayne.
Ken Brown
11:25 Alright, so bring that up. The only reason why I knew to call Wade is because he came on our podcast. Why did Wade Come on the podcast? Why did he take a day off of a busy schedule? You called him up and said, Hey, do you want to come on? And it's uh, you know, doesn't matter how big you're doing something. But when somebody has a why his Why is to educate about stem cell? Oh, yeah. When he gets an opportunity, he took the time off his day, showed up at our studio, and just kicked some crazy knowledge, the most knowledgeable guy in stem cells, I'm going to put my I'm going to say it. He's been if you watch the podcast, you go, yeah, I could see that. Outside of maybe a couple doctors in Germany that have a few more liberties on what they can do. Wait is one of the most intelligent people about stem cells. And by the way, spoiler alert, that's what today's eventual science podcast about will be stem cells and how to improve your ability to have a better response, which I found out when I went so I got my third and IV infusion, one injection, three IV infusions, great team over there, had a long talk with Dr. Philips, his his associate that helps doing the IV infusions, and we get to talking about how can you make this better? How can you make it so that if I'm going to spend this kind of money that I get a absolute perfect response? And they have not developed a protocol yet to do that? There are no protocol exists? Got it right here. Yeah. So if you're gonna go get stem cells, or if you're somebody that has a doctor that does stem cells, they need to listen to this episode.
Eric Rieger
12:55 I think it's awesome. And it's just another point of collaboration, like, Wade will never tell you that he has all the answers. But he will take great information and see how he can incorporate it to basically just help all the people he's that he's trying to help patients and otherwise, so yeah, I think it's, it's a lot like the podcast.
Ken Brown
13:11 Yeah. So yeah. So anyways, what's going on with you in the family? How's everything?
Eric Rieger
13:18 renovation? I don't really want to talk about that. It's not any fun. Wait, you wait for deliveries, because there's just certain parts of the country that aren't even producing stuff. And I'm
Unknown Speaker
13:29 making glass and I'm making tiles, so you just sit around in any way. So we're doing that. We can't get glass for the windows, but we can't get tiled. Would you mind if we put tile up?
Eric Rieger
13:40 Actually, this point, we find the heavy window no sunlight. But, you know, gaging Mac of both to kind of flex in some of their entrepreneurial spirit this summer. They're building, building some smaller companies. We'll see how they do. Maybe we'll talk about in some time, but haven't quite gotten that point to do that point, excuse me to get it all off the ground yet, but it'll be interesting. Emory's very, very busy. That's, that's pretty much what's happening. Summertime. Yeah,
Ken Brown
14:10 totally. Oh, so typical stuff is a big tournament season. So the kids read a lot of tournaments. I got to tell you a funny story, though. So Lucas, got into this unusual tournament where if you win, then you get into this next level, like a Junior Pro tournament. And it was in Little Rock, Arkansas. And so loida and Lucas drove a Little Rock, Arkansas, and I had the funniest conversation with him. Because the first round he went pretty easy second round. And to hear Lucas tell it, it was great. And I loved hearing the way that he's trying to mimic the accent everything. He's like, Bobby Bobby, he's like, he's like, This is so funny. I literally lost two. I lost two games because I was laughing. That he shows up as tournament and this guy shows up with two rackets and Water Bottle, which is usually people have a bag and they've got a hole in it. Yeah, like it's level. Yeah. He said the guy had a little belly on the whatever. And it sits down. He's like, yeah, me and my friends we were drinking and they said, we're gonna buy an entry into this thing. I didn't think I'd win, but I won that first round. And now we're going to play you. It looks. It's laughing he's like you were you were drinking and your friends and rodeo and he's just like, Yeah, he's like, they parently think I'm a good tennis player or something. Which makes it funny because he probably was like, some point like, like, like an elite tennis player because look, as I just said he played really well. Yes, out of shape.
Eric Rieger
15:35 15 years a Daedric it'll do that to you.
Ken Brown
15:40 Because it was like it was the funny thing. I couldn't stop laughing. It's like I would I like a song a few times. And he goes yeah, if y'all if he can just slow that down a little bit might be able to get get one of them back. Okay.
Eric Rieger
15:54 This was mocking him or not mocking Oh,
Ken Brown
15:57 yeah, Lucas was imitating good old Little Rock, Arkansas. He goes on the changeovers, the guy comes over and goes, goes, Hey, how old is you? 16 is like shit. I shouldn't ask that. Now. I feel even worse.
Eric Rieger
16:12 But he's there.
Ken Brown
16:12 Yeah. Buddy show up there drinking beer behind the fence. Lucas was about ready to serve serves today's and here's one of the guys go. Yeah, he's legit. Love the story. I could not stop laughing. And he goes up because you had lost these two games because I did a body serve. And he tried to get out of the way and just kind of like instead of, you know, didn't get hit and somehow blocked it with his frame. And it was a winner. And I looked at him and I was just like, he was Wow, great shot. He's like, Oh, come on. Now. I didn't mean to do that. It's just a funny, cool story. Then the next round he played a really elite kid that from the division one player and they went for our match for our mouse Lucas loss and a third set tiebreaker real close. If he would have won that one. He would have played a guy named Sam Harrison, who is a ATP tour player right now ranked a little lower due to injury but he was ranked 35 in the world. Yeah, he was Lucas was looking so forward to trying to just at least see what it's like to get served by guys.
Eric Rieger
17:17 I'm gonna I'm gonna steal a phrase from some Arkansas people and say, Hey, boys, legit.
Ken Brown
17:22 That boys legit. Carlos and Lloyd are touring everywhere doing things? Oh. I, because of our last three episodes, I'm trying to leave my own science behind this. Remember the article where we talked about how Argentine plus CBD synergistically opened up? If you look at that, what happens is Arjun Nene is what's needed to make nitric oxide, which veza dilates. vasodilation helps. And so I was looking at it from a workout perspective. So I do I do what I do. And I ordered an excessive amount of arginine and citrulline from Amazon shocking. Yeah. I started doing arginine and citrulline every night like so I do. I do l leucine for which is for muscle memory I'm trying to get I'm trying to gain back the muscle that I've lost since my neck injury. And oh my gosh, I wasn't putting two and two together. And I started having the worst heartburn. I immediately turned into one of my patients where like, I wanted to like call somebody and say fix this. Now some reflux, some reflux, nausea, just felt just
Eric Rieger
18:31 yeah, that does not sound fun.
Ken Brown
18:33 And I do have acid reflux. And I do take medicine for it. I've tried to get off the medicine for years and years, and I just can't and I've accepted that. And that is what it is. So it was a last week. Last week. I'm sitting there. I'm just like, God, I'm talking to an architect. And we had a cancellation. And then the way that I do things too extreme, I was like, go ahead and load up a scope. She's like, No, don't do it. Like we got to try. Well, I've
Eric Rieger
18:56 already heard about,
Ken Brown
18:57 I'm worried that I've got like, like, like, I think I've cancer. Cancer. Like you don't have cancer that round. You don't have cancer. You just have some. And I'm like why in the world would I suddenly have all this reflex and then she points out? Did you do one of those weird things where you want some weird supplements. But that can't be it. That can't be it. Just go just go get a scope. So I took the endoscope and I'm staring at our monitor. And I'm trying to get this thing in and I'm holding it like this. And it's like right there. And she's like watching it she's going cuz I was like stop my eyes are watering just goes hard. This is why we sedate people, right?
Eric Rieger
19:43 No, no, no can.
Ken Brown
19:47 I eventually just got it down and I did my own enough.
Eric Rieger
19:52 So those are never seen one those are as big around as probably what a pinky probably maybe a little bit larger than a pinky. Imagine that going all the way down your throat, not you, you don't have to imagine you just did.
Ken Brown
20:04 eyes water looking at it, and I got an over here just gonna I'm gonna throw up stop. And I'm like
Eric Rieger
20:12 this may be the last two scientists one lab.
Ken Brown
20:17 Yeah, I think it is. Speaking of science, do you see what's going on with that? acetylcysteine?
Eric Rieger
20:25 Yeah, I did. I don't really like it. I think it's ridiculous. And I hate the category of conspiracy theorist and, you know, tinfoil hat thoughts, all of that kind of stuff. However, for a supplement in acetylcysteine, which is acetylated and acidulated amino acid. Two have been on the market over the counter for almost a full 60 years. 60 years. Yeah. Two weeks ago, the FDA declared it a drug. Now there's a bunch of different pathways that can happen efforts to Claire to drug it can remain a drug over the counter, much like Tylenol, or what the fear is, is that it will then slowly migrate over to just being prescription or at least controlled in the way that it's dispensed, like ephedrine or anything else like that. And it doesn't quite make sense, other than the fact that you've got MSC doses, the Mac in August or September, I think there was starting to be some leaked research about any acetal cysteine was actually proven once again, and it made sense. You know what lay back a little bit further. About four months or five months before that news came out, we put together a protocol of supplements that we felt like could benefit people who were suffering from COVID,
Unknown Speaker
21:45 Episode Three, I think, or something. And in acetylcysteine, or nak, was was a part of that.
Eric Rieger
21:52 And it makes sense, because just a quick refresher, instead of cysteine, you take it and the body converts it to glucose ion ion is basically your body's you making now your body's best antioxidant defender it scavenges rrs, or reactive oxygenation species throughout the body. And when it does that, as we've covered in many different episodes, you're stopping long term inflammation. Inflammation by itself can be incredibly
Ken Brown
22:24 necessary inflammation necessary long term chronic inflammation
Eric Rieger
22:27 not That's dangerous. In fact, it leads to many, many things disease and cancer etc. So in a single system that was being highlighted, because the issues of the lung, turn into cascading inflammation. And that's why the way in the early days of COVID, people were rushing, putting people on ventilators, they're losing them. However, the problem became that it was just out of control inflammation, and it almost became a point where the inflammation was beyond the acute infection of the virus. Now it's the body just attacking itself. And it is in a single system was seen or observed to be a part of a recovery mechanism by helping your body produce enough glutathione and basically getting the lung tissue to not be so inflamed. nak is known as both a pulmonary protecting as well as as well as a hepatic protected and you know a lot about this, of course you can speak to it. People who have acute Tylenol, toxicity or people who are long term alcoholics. It's recommended. Well, that's what
Ken Brown
23:33 I think that's what the FDA is hiding behind. After 60 years of being over the counter. The FDA says Oh, no, this you this actually started out as a drug. And we're gonna make it a drug again, 60 years later, because n acetylcysteine is it's it's a great antioxidant increases your glutathione. We could do a whole episode on glutathione. It's an amino acid. It's an amino acid. It's It's incredible. But then they came out and said this, so then they immediately pulled it. So I want
Eric Rieger
23:57 to be clear, Amazon did, Amazon Amazon did and maybe a couple others. There are still Walmart still actually did this morning. Walmart still has neck available. I just wanted to
Ken Brown
24:05 add that. And then I talked to one of my patients who's a very high level pharmacist and she said, Yeah, I believe that. It appears that some drug company may be using it in conjunction with something else. So they're trying to get it so that they can garbage. I man I panicked. I totally panicked. And I'm like, Look, I use it for so many things that I need to get my hands on a bunch of N acetylcysteine. So it's the first time I've ever done it. But I went to the dark web. You flirted with the dark web? Yes. What's the dark web and I ordered a bunch of an acetal system. And I give it to my employees. So I gave it to his green who's who's my medical assistant, fantastic employee. And amber came in grabbed me my other medical assistant and she's just like, Hey, can you come and look at this. And I walked in and is was just holding the phone. It was just caressing it. And she was just like, Remember, you are loved and we can't wait to do your colonoscopy? No, though. That's, and I was like it. She's really friendly. But that's way too friendly, and way too friendly.
Eric Rieger
25:10 And then amber goes,
Ken Brown
25:13 can you go look at the bottle you gave her? was right. I, it's my first time on the black web or the dark web, whatever it's called. And I ordered her MDMA for Molly or ecstasy. Oh, yeah. Thinking it was an acetal cyst. It's not. It's not. It's the opposite. Now, here's the real dilemma that I'm in my life. My patients loved it. I know. Yeah. So many great Google reviews based on that.
Eric Rieger
25:39 Yeah. Unfortunately, they hung out in your waiting room for four hours.
Ken Brown
25:45 Yeah, she only that was surely up to one patient. I did get a bunch of bad reviews, and everybody else has done. So you know, that's my bad on the whole and acetylcysteine. So probably shouldn't I probably should not just randomly knee jerk stuff. As Anna said, you just seem to overdo everything. And don't always push the Buy Now button. I did not do that. Please. I did not drug my employee. I just thought it was a funny story. When you were just talking about
Eric Rieger
26:12 this. This is what happens when we break character a little bit or actually, this is exactly what how we talk.
Ken Brown
26:21 I actually told news, I was gonna do this. I was like, I'm like, I gotta prepare for this podcast. She's like, what do you talk about? Like, I don't know. And I'm like, you were really nice. That last patient and then my mind just went there. Yeah, I'm gonna talk about that. I'm gonna pretend like I bought you MDMA. And she looks at me and she's like, what is in your head? I'm like, you just heard what was in my head. You got to start hearing.
Eric Rieger
26:45 Well, that was interesting. But I do think it's, it's kind of wild and you referenced him earlier, the Dark Horse podcast. they've, they've been amassing tons of information, not on an industrial 16. But on ivermectin and how more that they had an incredible guest on two days ago. His name was
Ken Brown
27:10 Cory Horry, pure core
Eric Rieger
27:11 and he is a medical doctor who is infectious disease and has served on multiple boards where they deal with protocols for viral outbreaks and pandemics and has served on the COVID board. And, dude, he's got incredible data on how ivermectin not only works, he's got the scenarios he talks about why he doesn't understand why it's been covered up. And he gave scenarios in Mexico, multiple people, these aren't small, one off studies, multiple people their 1200 healthcare workers 1200 healthcare workers, I'll leave you this 700 something 700 change of the 1200 agreed to take ivermectin all of them, highly exposed to two COVID 100% of the 700 and change, never diagnosed with COVID. The other 500 and whatever is leftover of the 1200 healthcare providers 58% 58% of them developed COVID COVID symptoms, etc. And they didn't take ivermectin prophylactically so we'll go down that rabbit hole. Check out Dark Horse podcast with Brett Weinstein and appear Cory it's it's great. I think the publish date was June 1. If
Ken Brown
28:26 there's anything to say about those two guys, they have a why. Death Row Weinstein's? Like I have to get this stuff out here. Yeah, that guy pure Corey, his wise. I'm, I'm the guy in the trenches. I'm a, I'm a critical care doctor. Why in the world is a politician telling me what to do?
Eric Rieger
28:42 I don't I don't understand. I eat politician or not. We're standing in the way of we've heard for a year now trust the science. I want to trust the science. But trusting science doesn't mean stop asking why?
Ken Brown
28:56 Oh, and that doesn't mean that in what they were talking about is exactly this. We bring up a lot of studies, and I'm going to do it today. Yeah, that is not this large, randomized drug funded study, because that's the only way to do a study that big that randomized that multicenter all that stuff. But he did so much better. He said, there's so many other studies that you can make a meta analysis out of and he said when he started talking about that he's like, the data is there. And yet, the government saying the data is not there. Like every time if you look at any of our podcasts, it's it's completely based on studies. Everything is based on studies from it is it is not conjecture. It is not opinion. It is. This is the study. Yeah. And that's what we do. And that's what he was saying.
Eric Rieger
29:44 I think that's the responsible thing to do. I mean, if we're going to if we're going to talk about subject matter, and it has, and there happens to be hypotheses around them or what's going to happen. Let's talk about what we actually know or have observed. Then you man, yeah, sometimes you're going to find a paper that later on is going to be found either wrong or not exactly on the nose. But as long as the data in there is, is honest, it's worth talking about, and what's crazy is vaccination or not for for COVID. I think that's a personal decision. And they talked about it on there that you take a risk analysis. And, and there there are some people that it may be perfect for there may be some that aren't. And Brian, I'm getting into that today. However, the the narrative from the government or politicians specifically seems to be trust the science, get the vaccine. And then when you turn it around and say, well, I've mentioned has this high safety profile. And it may work also, their retort happens to be, there's not enough data. But there was never enough data
Ken Brown
30:54 on a brand new MRI. I mean, I don't want to turn this into that. But this is stuff we talked about, called day long. We talked about it constantly. Like look, why why can you say there's not enough data there, but then you could say that, you know, just do this, and I get it, we have to get our country back working. And I get that we all have to have some assemblance of comfort. And by saying that you've What did I just see? I just saw something that you can, like so many places are saying the mask mandate is still in effect unless you've been vaccinated. If you don't wear a mask, we're assuming you're not vaccinated that you've been vaccinated. Like, this is like the new rhetoric everywhere. Yeah. So it's basically saying, Well, I'm, anyways, I don't want to go there. But it's just weird. It's just weird. Yeah. It's plain weird. Doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense. It's like give me given your employee, MDMA. Molly, instead of N acetylcysteine. Or some weird part of someone doing what else is weird? Since we're talking podcasts. So I was watching Joe Rogan not and he had on his I actually liked the jujitsu podcast, I know that you kind of prefer the the non MMA stuff. I kind of like that where he'll have john Donahoe and these people. Well, he has, he had this guy named Gordon Ryan. Gordon Ryan is currently the world of the world, world, and many people consider the best and nogi Jiu jujitsu submission specialist. He gets on there and starts talking. And Joe's like, Oh, so Gordon, tell us about your gut issues. He's like, like, had a bad staph infection, like, you know, a year ago, and I took like, rounds and rounds and rounds of antibiotics. And then I just started developing the severe gi issues. And now I've been diagnosed with this thing called gastroparesis, and which is your stomach doesn't empty. And it's horrible. Because every time I eat I bloat like crazy, and I stay full for hours. And it's like, and I've been all over, and they just tell me, well, that's just part of, they say, I have irritable bowel and things like that. And Joe's, like, if there's any good gut doctors, let us know. And I was just screaming, I felt like that stupid, progressive commercial with flow in them or on the beach and seeing that now, it's really stupid. We have a Roku now, and you can't fast forward the commercials, you know, on some of the shows. So it has the whole progressive team hanging out on a beach and flow sitting there. And everybody's like, yeah, it's nice to not work and just hang out at the beach. And then like, there was a man and a woman talking and she's by her boat, the other guys by his camper. And she's just like, man, I love my boats. I love my camper is like, Yeah, but, you know, I just wish I could put them together like in a, like in a bunch or something. And she's gonna, it's called a bundle. It's called but like, she couldn't hold back and she ran out and tried to sell insurance. And so that's how I felt I was like, I'm screaming into the thing. I'm like, this could be CBOE Gemini. I'm
Unknown Speaker
33:47 talking about CBOE yet. You
Ken Brown
33:48 haven't even discussed it. That's what's causing your gastroparesis. So when you have gastroparesis, it could be if you don't have diabetes, or another neurological reason to have it. It could be that your small bowel when it dilates, because you eat and it becomes distended. It tells your stomach not to empty. Yeah, I have all kinds of patients that actually are diagnosed with gastroparesis. I treat their CBOE and then the guest presses goes away. That's nice. And so I was just sitting there and then on the most recent episode, I just cringed, Joe's like, yeah, my friend Gordon Ryan was on here and and he's gonna go somebody stepped up to the plate to help them. Even though I know that Mike logs and tried to offer him I'll try and do it a seminar once, and I dm them on Instagram, and haven't heard back yet. But anyways, so he goes, Yeah, my friends. what they're gonna do is stem cells, and BPC 157 peptide. We'll we'll eventually do a whole show on peptides. And I was just Saturday I went because of that statement. I'm looking at this and I'm like, stem cells for gut health, which could be fixed by taking polyphenols. What is the relationship huh? What if we developed a protocol pre and post them? So is there any science on it? Yeah, we kind of kicked that around a little bit. And that's where the two scientists in one lab comes in. Right? So I got some pretty cool stuff to talk about today. So even if you're gonna ignore my dm Gordon, you should at least at least listen to this part here. Because if you go get stem cells, I can make it so it's better for you. So alright. Stem cells, which we've talked about for my neck, which we had one of the world's experts on Wade McKenna, if you go on like DuckDuckGo, or someplace where it isn't really kind of controlled, you'll find studies on Alzheimer's, autism must, multiple sclerosis, congestive heart failure, erectile dysfunction, liver disease, hypertension, pulmonary issues goes on and on and on and on. And one of the things that I was looking at, and then you go to the FDA, and you're like, Why in the world? Is this not being talked about more? Why in the world? Is this not being discussed more? And you could look at the political reasons as to why because stem cells, and I won't get into that today. But if you go to the FDA website, what they do state is there's no science behind it. And then the one thing that even Andrew Huberman talked about on his podcast was stem cells. The problem with stem cells is they can also make cancer cells grow.
Eric Rieger
36:25 Yeah, there's a caveat to that. But yeah,
Ken Brown
36:26 so that's what I want to talk about. So what is the biggest risk of these stem cells? Now if you look on Netflix, there's one of those documentaries where they discuss how stem cells caused infections that all came out of one lab and it was 18 people, millions of stem cells done, so I'm not going to throw the infection thing out there. So let's just address this whole thing of stem cells, and how can you make them better one? And how do we decrease the risk of promoting tumor growth? Okay, so that's what today's podcast really is, after we've discussed a lot of random things. So, Wade, and any other person that actually does stem cell therapy, listen up very carefully. If you're somebody who's going to get stem cells listen very carefully, very easy, based on science once again. Alright, so let's look at this, I found an article where it looked at condensed tannins from cinnamon, where what they did is they showed that by taking condensed tannins, cinnamon tannins, like cube rochow, it promotes migration of stem cells and accelerates wound healing in mice. So what these guys did is that they showed that the it's called mesenchymal stem cells, which means the stem cells from the bone marrow, this is an exogenous bone marrow stem cells migrate in accordance to the location based or aided by the condensed tannins. And what they do is they analyze the effects of the cinnamon tannin on mesenchymal stem cell migration in vivo, meaning that they unfortunately caused an injury in a mouse. They caused a skin injury. And then they demonstrated that the mice that got the action, I think they stimulated stem cells, they did something where they could show that stem cells did this, either they gave it to him or they stimulated it. But they showed that in the mice that the stem cells from the bone marrow more readily went into the blood and then accumulated in the area where the injury was okay, more so than the mice that did not have the cinnamon tannin given to him.
Eric Rieger
38:42 So just a second, follow exactly what you're saying. Obviously, if you're trying to heal an injury with stem cells, you want to make certain that they concentrate where you where you want them. And you're saying that using a natural tannin enabled the stem cells to aggregate where I met
Ken Brown
38:58 where I wanted to increase the stem cell production and mobilization even better.
Eric Rieger
39:03 So I got more of them more in the right area and more efficiently.
Ken Brown
39:06 Exactly. And what they what they showed is that once in the animals that they give the cinnamon Tannen to, they showed that following the condense 10 and treatment, there was more angiogenesis increased blood flow, blood flow increased blood not just blood flow, but that led vessels granulation tissue formation and remodeling were accelerated during the wound healing process. And what they believe is that the cinnamon tannin promoted tissue regeneration attributable to the mesenchymal stem cell induced tissue repair. So in other words, they believe that the tanan resulted in greater stem cells going to the proper area. Which is exactly why when I got my neck injection I did a five day fast leading up to it followed by eating and I took condensed tannins the entire time and continued to take them So I'm super excited to see this. So the conclusion of these scientists were, the results demonstrate that that the cinnamon tannin promotes mezen kaimal, stem cell migration in vivo and accelerated wound healing. And the key here is that the structural features of the flavonoid that type of poly phenol is the key, it is critical to their effects in both the migration and the location of it. So, not just any tanam, not just not just any polyfill. But it has to be a flavonoid comprised of proanthocyanidins. In other words, groups of flavonoids, we say it all the time, large stable poly phenol helped wound healing Yeah, through stem cells
Eric Rieger
40:47 Make sense? Once again, it's a it's a demonstration, I believe, of your gut bacteria, taking apart the large molecule and using the the aquaponics the the post biotics as the body needs, correct?
Ken Brown
41:03 Yeah. Make sense? The sciences are very congruent with where we then here recently. Yeah, I know. And I can just see somebody that's in the stem cell medicine just standing up and screaming at us. Like I screamed at Joe when I was like, it's just like, but you can't give it to everybody, because that'll just increase the effect. And the stem cells will migrate to cancer and the cancer
Eric Rieger
41:25 grow more. Oh, I bet you there's something more to that.
Ken Brown
41:29 But wait, there's more. So Wow, that's amazing. But let's get back to the whole cancer thing. Why would you augment the stem cells, if you could potentially augment the growth of cancer Make sense? So I went down this rabbit hole or mouse hole or whatever hole you want to call it. And so then I found this great article called the therapeutic effective anti cancer phytochemicals through suppression of cancer stem cells. The why on why we do this is we learned a lot we learned a lot that nitric oxide Oh yeah. And the nitric oxide synthase are different version. They're
Eric Rieger
42:02 three different ones.
Ken Brown
42:03 So it turns out stem cells, not a stem cell, there's actually something called a cancer stem cell, which I did not know. So, we cancer stem cells are tumorigenic, meaning that they make tumors tumors grow. And cancer stem cells are unique in that they have a very high potency for initiating tumor growth, tumor, neurogenesis, cancer stem cells are postulated to be different than traditional mesenchymal stem cells, and that they proliferate with unlimited potential exhibit high resistance to therapy and have the ability to fuel tumor regrowth post treatment. Now, think about that for a moment. We're talking about why do tumors come back? Why do I have lots of cancer doctor friends, oncologists? I guess that's a good way to call them cancer doctor.
Eric Rieger
42:58 cancer doctor friends.
Ken Brown
42:59 Yeah, cancer doctor guy. Yeah, this is about cancer, Dr. cancer doctor, friend, oncologist, I have a lot of friends who are oncologists. And I've never once said, Well, why do tumors come back? Because, you know, it's like, oh, just if you get a tumor, it comes back, we believe, and you can go into all this other stuff, p 453. Gene, blah, blah, blah, cancer, tumor gene, whatever. Whoa, wait a minute, what if your cancer, your cancer stem cells, I keep trying to do this. So you have AI nos going on, you have inducible, nitric oxide producing bad nitric oxide or not, it's the same nitric oxide, but producing information is in the wrong spot. So this is really interesting. There's, there's cancer stem cells. And they did this whole review in this article where they looked at the influence of phytochemicals, surprise, surprise, as it turns out, when they refer to phytochemicals, they're talking about complex polyphenols, on cancer cell populations. And what they did is they highlighted the importance of those known to selectively inhibit the cancer stem cell. Wow. Think about this for a moment. Yeah, we talked about this, but these guys showed in a lab. As it turns out, that large poly phenols actually target cancer stem cells in multiple different ways, such as inhibition of self renewal, induction of differentiation into mature cancer cells, and sensitization to anti cancer agents. Wow.
Eric Rieger
44:30 So so that makes them more susceptible to the drugs that
Ken Brown
44:34 are more susceptible to the drugs that we use. Wow. Now, the article is nauseatingly thick and was a lot there. Oh my gosh, it's super sciency. Yeah, super complex, but it's so complex that the bottom line is they showed multiple different ways in which large stable polyphenols can turn off cancer stem cells in multiple different ways. It was so wild. So polyphenols are good polyphenols. Good. And then I never thought about that, that when we talked about stem cells. cancer stem cells are different than mesenchymal stem cells.
Eric Rieger
45:15 Yeah. I hadn't thought of that at all. didn't know that.
Ken Brown
45:19 I know. And so but I know that maybe not the same guy cuz he's already I don't know, what did you do? Throw it on his glass and scream it scream at his TV, phone, whatever, the scientists that I'm playing it out in my head or somebody's yelling at us right now. Like, that's it.
Eric Rieger
45:36 Okay, I just caught up with the rest of y'all. Okay.
Ken Brown
45:43 I just have this image of this, this guy, because all right, it's podcast day. And I'm just gonna have a whole bunch of breakable glass here that I will just keep smashing glasses when I get a car. Oh, what's the matter? Alright, so I can just see him going. But that doesn't matter. That's not in real life. What about real cancers? So as it turns out, there's studies on real cancer. For instance, our old friend, epic gala, epic Gallo, catechin, three galley, otherwise known as green tea extract, we talked about all the time in green to extract egcg, Eg GGC, whatever, one of those egcg. But also, we know that that is a component of kabocha when it gets broken down into its various components. So which is a good way to get it bioavailable, which is a good way to get a bioavailable. So green tea extract is a bioactive poly phenol from green tea. It's been studied a ton. It happens to be. So we've talked about these other ones that have been studied before. It's like studies perpetuate more studies. I would like to just sit there and just send everybody, all the scientists go, you can do more with a bigger, more stable poly phenol, but that's but I'm just happy that you're writing about poly fit. So they've already shown that it can help block tumor including significantly bladder cancer, which I was unaware of. But the mechanism of how it did it has eluded scientists. So these guys went out to say, let's figure out how to do this. And the title of the article is green tea extract inhibits bladder cancer stem cells via suppression of Sonic Hedgehog pathway.
Eric Rieger
47:17 We've heard mentioning this before, and I don't know that I recall. It's a
Ken Brown
47:22 Sega video game dude.
Eric Rieger
47:27 Know I Know that I got that part down.
Ken Brown
47:33 Alright, so there's, there's gonna be a great backstory to that I'm sure that the developer of that had bladder cancer and then survived it and then said, I will make my next game. Sonic Hedgehog. So anyways, so they actually found the place where it actually happened. And so what they what they showed is the mechanism actually remains by blocking this sonic hedgehog pathway, ultimately, down regulated stem cell markers, cancer stem cell markers, so it controlled the cancer stem cell in the bladder. Wow. Yeah. Wild stuff. So the effect of the green tea was mediated by this what's called the sonic hedgehog signaling pathway, and normally wouldn't even bring that up. But I just love saying that. And, and if they upregulated that pathway, it negated the effect. So that was clearly related to that one thing. So that's how I just love how sciency they get. And I like I'm finding these these are not like this wasn't published last month. This is like a few years old. I'm just like, this is crazy stuff. So what they did is they showed that Taken together, the results indicated that green tea extract could be an important natural compound against bladder cancer stem cells, okay, and provide new insights into the effective molecular targeting of cancer stem cells. Wow.
Eric Rieger
48:55 Yeah. Why now we need to find out if there could be other body areas where other stem cell cancers could be turned off.
Ken Brown
49:03 I mean, what Give me an example of like a really common cancer,
Eric Rieger
49:07 a really common cancer. I don't know colon cancer. Breast cancer.
Ken Brown
49:14 Breast Did you say breast?
Eric Rieger
49:16 Yeah, you say give you a common one.
Ken Brown
49:18 Yeah. And breast cancer is really common. And the anti cancer effect of polyphenols against breast cancer and cancer stem cells, molecular mechanisms. That was another art. Oh,
Eric Rieger
49:27 really? Oh, you're
Ken Brown
49:28 not making that I'm not making it up. I was just waiting for you to say breast.
Eric Rieger
49:31 Oh, yes. It was on my mind.
Ken Brown
49:34 No, but for real breast cancer, we know is a huge, huge issue. And well, I think one of the biggest things is when people when we have a lot of people all of us have had people very close to us that are dealing with or have dealt with breast cancer. Right? And is a very serious thing. This is interesting because looking at the therapy of Going after these cancer stem cells, maybe a really interesting therapeutic approach. So these guys what they did, and I don't know these guys, girls, whoever. This was ridiculous. It was like a 50 page review. So this one wasn't so much. It was like a meta analysis. Like we discussed meta analysis is a compilation of this. It was a review it's like it's somebody Opus clearly because they spent forever and I mean, this thing was detailed. So I just laughed because the opening paragraph says this. In this review, we will provide a brief overview of poly phenol structures and classifications as well as the carcinogenic process of breast cancer brief included nauseatingly. I really, it's like it's that insecurity a dream, I always have like a calculus test that when I'm like, super stressed, I'm like, I'm like, I'm back in math class. What that really got into and so to summarize it, and this is, if the person that wrote this article, listen to how I summarize it, they're gonna grab that glass and just smash it. And I suggest that you wear safety goggles, if you're gonna be breaking glasses that are podcasts. Yeah,
Eric Rieger
51:15 yeah, yeah, don't you should do that.
Ken Brown
51:17 I don't want anybody getting hurt. Alright. So what they did is they looked at the interplay between a toffee G and A pop ptosis in the anti cancer activity, polyphenols. And in addition to that, the potential polyphenols to target cancer stem cells, the various mechanisms. The next 49 and a half pages, we're discussing all those mechanisms. To summarize it. polyphenol research is considered a very promising field, we have discussed this. And I really do think that the future of medicine is heading towards these polyphenolic compounds, definitely, in the setting of a proper microbiome. Sure, if you have dysbiosis, you may not be achieving the greatest result from eating a very high vegetable fruit diet. If you have a proper and very diverse microbiome, all of these things can be achieved can actually be achieved if while having enough of these polyphenolic compounds. So these are a few of the things that they showed in tremendous detail. So each one of these things actually includes several pages of mechanisms, modulation of reactive oxygen species. We've heard that word modulation of inflammatory and inflammation related factors, okay. We've always talked about it as inflammatory cytokines. Here's why my when I say information automatically just go inflammatory. And what are we gonna talk about with the inflammatory what's causing the inflammation, modulation of estrogen receptors and aromatase inhibitors? That's one, which is really interesting, because that could be one of the reasons why polyphenols are good for sport, because you actually increase your testosterone production. If you're blocked in the aromatase, which converts testosterone to estrogen. Interesting. Yeah, that was kind of neat. modulation of a pop ptosis you always define a pop ptosis on this podcast that
Eric Rieger
53:13 is programmed cell death
Ken Brown
53:16 program cell death, modulation of signaling pathways related to cancer stem cells, which took up about four pages of this article describing very specifically, how these polyphenols suppress the cancer stem cells from proliferating and causing what they do is important, super important. And then I know these guys know their shit, because the final one was modulation of the hedgehog signaling.
So that's for anybody who's thinking of doing doing stem cells. This one is specifically for Wade. So for any manufacturer of stem cells, this is pretty cool. This is I'm going to kick it up a little bit and get a little bit more sciency. But the way the stem cells are currently done is that they actually grow them and they it's the number that makes the most important thing Wade talked about the quality of stem cells that you get is super important, how it's grown, how it's harvested, how it's done, all this delivered and delivered. Yeah, for sure. So, these guys showed that reservatrol another poly phenol enhances the functionality and improves the regeneration of mesenchymal stem cell aggregates, specifically cell aggregate or cell sheet engineering. And what they wanted to see is that if you actually bathed these stem cells in reservatrol, that it showed reliable and extensive rejuvenate rejuvenative activities that have received increasing clinical attention, and what they uncovered was that reservatrol enhance the functionality and the numbers improve The regeneration of mesenchymal stem cell aggregates, mesenchymal stem cells would be when I did my bone marrow harvest, Dr. McKenna took my bone and mixed it with stem cells so that it would be there. So what they wanted to show is that they were able to unravel a novel method for using what they called pharmacology, but it's reservatrol based cell aggregate engineering to improve the functionality and facilitate the regeneration of these. So in other words, you can take in older So the whole idea is that the older you get the probably your bone marrow is not as good for stem cells, right? You can make it younger by according to these guys bathing it. So like if you're a 50 year old guy like me, and you do this, you bathe it in some reservatrol and some polyphenols. And that's just one that they looked at reservatrol I'm saying that maybe it could be a whole lot better if you do the, the the equivalent of a large stable poly phenol that has been broken down. But that's it's just it's fascinating science, the why the why of why these guys do things. It's cool. So to summarize, when if you're reading about stem cells, one of the main concerns is that it could stimulate cancer growth. It is a pluripotent cell, meaning it could potentially go where it needs. What these articles kind of summarize is that if you have an injury, and you take polyphenols, and you get stem cells, it goes right over here. We want all the stem cells right here. And by the way, we need more, and get them into the bloodstream to get them over here. Yeah, that's one. And then the other one is, if you're worried, at least according to this, that while I'm really scared, because I don't wanna have stem cells, and then develop a cancer. Well, one way to, at least according to these studies decrease that risk is to take these polyphenols so that you can actually suppress the cancer stem cells themselves, right? So like me, I got my stem cells, and that was actually brought up to me by several people. They're like, Oh, aren't you worried about getting cancer? And I'm like, Am I worried about getting cancer every day? Because I'm a doctor and I see cancer. And every time you do it, I remember talking to one of my cancer doctor friends. I'm calling oncologist I remember asking him, I was like, dude, how do you do this? Like you find 45 year old men all the time with pancreatic cancer. He's like, Oh, I get pancreatic cancers five, six times a year. Because it's your exposure. You're like, Oh, my gosh, that's me. Like every time you see something, it's like, oh, that's eye. Blue. Scary. Yeah. So anyways, I just thought it was really interesting, because when we talk about this, I really believe that there should be some sort of protocol, if I'm a stem cell doctor, I'm putting people on a complex poly phenol blend, like I'll try and do while you're doing it. Why? So that you get the most out of your stem cells. And we know that it's going to go to the area that it's needed. And there is at least some rationale that it could suppress tumor growth. Think of
Eric Rieger
57:51 it like this, I after hearing all of this, I already kind of put it in this what I think is an easy to use box for a metaphor. If you're going to do something, let's say that you've committed to being a sport. And you know that in order to compete on the day of competition, that you need to make certain that you have a good night's rest, and that you've trained that you probably know a little bit about the opponent regardless of what it's going to be. You do all of these measures to optimize your ability to win. If you're committed on the other hand to get stem cells for a particular injury, or whatever it is that you're trying to improve. Give yourself and your body the best chance to do the best that it can with stem cells. And basically this is prepping your body. To do that.
Ken Brown
58:38 I was thrilled are why for this podcast is if I can help one person get a better benefit from their stem cell. That's my why
Eric Rieger
58:45 I think I'm 100%. I think that stem cells has a gigantically bright future. Just from people that not not just you, but people that we my mom, my mom gets stem cells from wait for her knee. And she's doing fantastic. And Mom, sorry, mom, not athletic. Okay. So it's not like that. She went out of her way to
Unknown Speaker
59:03 do a bunch of you've seen her Instagram recently? Yes, it is ran at 1100 meter 11 second 100 meter squat and 2700 pounds. Yeah.
Eric Rieger
59:11 But, but there are there are some anecdotal and then there's some some large scale studies around stem cells, they do some great, great, great work, but like anything, it's new. There are things to find out how and they're always going to try to find out how can you make it better Wade? specifically talking about how some people were screwing up by utilizing lighter cane on the injection whenever they're they're placing the stem cells. Well, he doesn't do that. That's an improvement. In the therapy. This is an improvement in the therapy potentially, potentially. Yeah,
Ken Brown
59:44 yeah. I mean, I'm well, I'm the first one to say that. I've had a I would. I've no pain. Now. I'm wondering I'm like, Did I really recruit all the stem cells that I got that day and have gotten and continue but As I continue to take my polyphenols Are they really just kind of go into the area of injury because I've had a pretty remarkable recovery for such a serious injury that I went to three doctors that said you need to get an operation sure like now
Eric Rieger
1:00:11 no one and you know the idea behind any physician or health care provider that's going to have a therapy they're going to give someone you want to do your best to try to induce the best outcome for the patient and mitigate either the well obviously the bad ones but the the outcomes that just don't show any improvement at all and if this can help them do that, right huge
Ken Brown
1:00:33 so Gordon Ryan's gonna go get stem cells at least contact us Yeah, dude, I can get you like a $5 coupon on my tummy
Eric Rieger
1:00:43 calm Gordon. Man given you the friends and family discount five bucks off Yeah, man phytochemicals rather, it gets up
Ken Brown
1:00:54 to scientists the the first and only
Unknown Speaker
1:00:57 last
Ken Brown
1:00:58 two scientists one lab two scientists
Eric Rieger
1:01:00 no coats one lab. No beakers. No Bunsen burners.
Ken Brown
1:01:07 You could continue to grow that on every single episode. Episode 1022. Two scientists one lab no coats. Don't you just go on for like eight minutes,
Eric Rieger
1:01:18 light switches? No audience, whatever. No one listening anymore? Because I spent an hour doing this.
Ken Brown
1:01:25 Yeah, so that's awesome. Well, anyways, so we've covered a lot of ground here. But I believe in this stuff that we're talking about. If I'm going to get stem cells is what I do. If I'm a stem cell provider, I'd listen to this. I'd share it so Oh, like always, we always have to say this. This is I am a doctor Eric is a healthcare provider. crna we do treat people but we are not your doctor unless we are actually your doctor. But But what this is for entertainment, only everything that we talked about is not medical advice.
Eric Rieger
1:01:58 Thank y'all so much for joining us like and share don't shadowbanned us and share us with anybody that you think might be interested in these kind of health topics.
Ken Brown
1:02:06 Yeah, absolutely. And if you want to know what it's like to accidentally take a bunch of MDMA instead of N acetylcysteine. call the office.
Eric Rieger
1:02:15 They are still enjoy the call, but they will not give you a real they got so much. It's Episode 57
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