WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:20.545 This is for the sled dogs in the trenches. Real hockey parents, real stories. The Good and the Gong Show. No filters, no sugarcoating, no politics, just straight hockey talk, and the best guests around the barn. Welcome to the Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast. 00:00:20.625 --> 00:00:26.305 Alright, boys. Grind them corners, chirp responsibly, and bring that savage fire. 00:00:42.585 --> 00:01:00.200 Alright, everybody. Welcome back to episode 71 of the Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast powered by Pacific Rink, the unfiltered podcast for hockey parents. No politics, no sugarcoating, just real talk for hockey parents in the trenches. In the trenches. Trenches. 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:04.360 Here we go. Episode 71. And do we have an episode for you guys? 00:01:04.360 --> 00:01:05.880 Yeah. We pee wee. 00:01:06.360 --> 00:01:07.160 Pee wee. 00:01:07.160 --> 00:01:07.720 Pee wee. 00:01:07.720 --> 00:01:13.895 Yes. Yes. Yes. We have a great a great interview that we've been trying to get for 00:01:14.455 --> 00:01:17.015 Months on months. I'm gonna say nine. 00:01:17.735 --> 00:01:19.015 Nine months. Yeah. 00:01:19.015 --> 00:01:20.215 Nine months. 00:01:20.215 --> 00:01:20.855 That's a long time. 00:01:21.140 --> 00:01:22.500 Yeah. But it was well worth it. 00:01:22.500 --> 00:01:23.620 It was worth it. He was great, 00:01:23.620 --> 00:01:26.340 by It was it it was like an instant classic in my mind. 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:29.860 Yeah. Yeah. I know. You you as soon as we got off the list, that was amazing. Yeah. 00:01:29.860 --> 00:01:32.580 Gotta do it again. We could've gone I I know I say this a lot, but 00:01:32.580 --> 00:01:33.460 we do say that a lot. 00:01:33.460 --> 00:01:33.940 I do. We 00:01:33.940 --> 00:01:36.565 could And you also say, we gotta have you back on. 00:01:36.565 --> 00:01:43.845 Well, we've talked to a lot of really good people who we do have to have back on and we could have gone another gazillion hours with all these people. 00:01:43.845 --> 00:01:44.485 A 100%. 00:01:44.485 --> 00:01:45.845 You're like one ish plus 00:01:46.005 --> 00:01:47.765 a fun guy to watch the Knicks game with. 00:01:47.765 --> 00:01:50.325 You're not wrong about that by way. I didn't even think about that. 00:01:50.460 --> 00:01:51.500 Dude, that would've been sick. 00:01:51.500 --> 00:02:02.540 I actually didn't even think about that. That's actually a very he's a big sports guy. Yeah. Yeah. And for those of you who don't know who we're talking about, we have Pee Wee's author Rich Cohen on for our interview today. 00:02:02.620 --> 00:02:20.710 And for those of you who don't know the book Pee Wee's, shame on you and you go get it. It's a phenomenal book about youth hockey. Rich is a writer. He he's he's written a lot of sports books. He followed the 85 around and wrote about them. 00:02:20.950 --> 00:02:22.790 And he Wait. Did he literally follow them around? 00:02:22.790 --> 00:02:25.510 Oh, yeah. Well, may remember he was talking about Jim McMahon? 00:02:25.510 --> 00:02:29.110 Yeah. I know. But I I I didn't Oh, yeah. No. I don't know that he actually was, like, with them. 00:02:29.110 --> 00:02:30.710 Oh, yeah. No. He he was he was 00:02:30.870 --> 00:02:35.455 He was in the trenches with the bears? I'm yes. Yes. So cool. Yeah. 00:02:35.455 --> 00:02:39.055 I loved McMahon when I was a kid. Yeah. It was him him and Joe Montana. 00:02:39.055 --> 00:02:39.535 Yeah. How could you 00:02:39.615 --> 00:02:40.975 And then Phil Sims. 00:02:41.135 --> 00:02:43.535 Yeah. Yeah. Local boy. Yeah. Well, yeah. 00:02:43.535 --> 00:02:47.360 Well, yeah. Anyway. Yes. But, yeah. No. 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:58.240 So so so the book Pee Wee's Rich Rich, he chronicled his son's son's Pee One his boys. Yeah. One of his boys Pee Wee Year. He has four boys. Right? 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:06.935 And he followed this particular one, his son Micah, and he wrote about it. And in my opinion, he was the original Crazy Hockey Dad. 00:03:06.935 --> 00:03:08.615 Yeah. And he just had it in book form. 00:03:08.615 --> 00:03:10.455 He just put it on paper. 00:03:10.455 --> 00:03:10.695 Yeah. 00:03:10.695 --> 00:03:18.660 You know? So it was very appropriate for us to interview him. And like I said, we've been trying to get him for it has to be 09:10 months. 00:03:18.660 --> 00:03:19.540 Yeah. And it finally 00:03:19.540 --> 00:03:20.660 worked out. Finally worked out. 00:03:20.660 --> 00:03:21.540 And it was well worth the wait. 00:03:21.540 --> 00:03:22.180 Yes, it was. 00:03:22.180 --> 00:03:28.500 Yeah. And it was also cool like just talking to like an author and just like Yeah. You know, it's just it's a slightly different type of like conversation. 00:03:28.500 --> 00:03:28.980 Yes, it was. 00:03:28.980 --> 00:03:31.780 There's in any of yeah. I mean Yeah. 00:03:31.755 --> 00:03:38.955 It was great though. You you guys gonna I think you guys are gonna really enjoy the interview. And you guys need to go buy the book because the book's fantastic. I we Yeah. 00:03:38.955 --> 00:03:49.000 Well, listen. I think we well, you know, so speaking of the book Yeah. We are going to it's not finalized yet, but as you know, we are going to be having some giveaways. 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:49.720 We are. 00:03:50.200 --> 00:04:00.845 I don't know what shape or form it's gonna be coming out as, but we're checking our Instagram, Facebook for more information. Yes. But we have, our Some 00:04:00.845 --> 00:04:01.805 contests. Right? 00:04:01.805 --> 00:04:06.045 The contests, including we'll so we'll be giving away copies of Peewee's by 00:04:06.045 --> 00:04:07.885 Rich Cohen. Couple copies of Peewee's. 00:04:07.885 --> 00:04:11.085 Right? And if I'm not mistaken, we do have a Pacific Rink 00:04:11.005 --> 00:04:13.485 We do. We have a Journeyman Pacific Rink bag. 00:04:13.580 --> 00:04:14.780 That we're gonna be giving away also. 00:04:14.780 --> 00:04:26.380 Mine and Scott's favorite bag to carry. Yeah. So, yes. Which is awesome. Any of you hockey moms or dads that travel for tournaments or anything, it's a phenomenal way to pack your clothes. 00:04:26.380 --> 00:04:35.865 Yeah. You know? Yep. It's should we do an unboxing on it when it comes? Should do like an unboxing and re box it and send and give it away? 00:04:36.185 --> 00:04:39.945 Can let Yeah. Yeah. We can let yeah. Someone just Yeah. Open their own stuff. 00:04:40.080 --> 00:04:42.000 Yeah. We don't open it for them and then 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:43.040 like yeah. And then like Yeah. 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.520 Tape it. That does look creepy. Yeah. Yeah. Don't wanna do that. 00:04:45.520 --> 00:04:49.680 Yeah. Unless you're gonna put in like a personalized note. Perhaps you could do it for them. 00:04:49.680 --> 00:05:04.515 So it's funny. So Jack Serkin from from Pacific Rink, when he reached out to me to say like, do want us to send you a bag for you guys to do a giveaway? He wrote, so you don't have to give yours away. And I wrote back, I'm like, I would never give it away. 00:05:07.635 --> 00:05:09.155 No. They're great. They're great. 00:05:09.155 --> 00:05:11.920 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So shows out to Jack and Brad Serkin. Yeah. 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:13.200 This morning Pacific Rink. 00:05:13.280 --> 00:05:19.600 This morning, I was, Otto and I played some pickup this morning. Got got the little guy up at five, 05:20. 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:20.320 Right. And I 00:05:20.320 --> 00:05:21.600 was at the rink by six. 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:21.920 Nice. 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:26.485 And then hit the ice at 06:30. Woah. And Early morning. Yeah. No. 00:05:26.485 --> 00:05:30.725 Was good. He he did well. I mean, like, listen. I it's pickup. It's early in the morning. 00:05:30.725 --> 00:05:33.285 It's not like anyone's going that hard. Right. And like 00:05:33.365 --> 00:05:33.765 But still. 00:05:33.765 --> 00:05:44.100 But like, you know what I noticed, like, the last couple times, like and we haven't done it too often recently, but people are needing to like, you know, like let up on him less and less. You know what I mean? Like there's definitely 00:05:44.020 --> 00:05:46.660 Well, they see that he can play and they see that they own 00:05:46.660 --> 00:05:57.875 the game. At the at the end of the game was actually kind of funny. Mhmm. So he was he was coming down and he put the puck, know, like under like a dude's triangle. 00:05:57.875 --> 00:05:58.195 Mhmm. 00:05:58.195 --> 00:06:11.520 And then he and then he picked up the puck, got a shot on goal, and then the rebound popped out and he's like stuffed it back, know, it's not that fun. And again, was towards the end of the skate, but like immediately after that, the goalie just skated off 00:06:11.520 --> 00:06:13.360 the ice. He's like, I'm done. 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.400 And someone someone went up to Otto like those on our 00:06:16.400 --> 00:06:16.720 team and 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:18.720 goes, Otto, I think you just broke the goalie. 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.520 Yeah. It was really funny. It is cool. 00:06:21.520 --> 00:06:24.105 That's that's fun. But he is fun and he likes to it so 00:06:24.265 --> 00:06:25.465 Yeah. Yeah. No. It's great, man. 00:06:25.625 --> 00:06:30.585 But anyway, what I was gonna say was Yes. I was noticing a couple of guys, at the rink had Pacific Rink bags. 00:06:30.825 --> 00:06:31.945 Ah. Yeah. 00:06:31.945 --> 00:06:33.625 Yeah. My eyes my eyes got like a 00:06:33.705 --> 00:06:35.225 Now you have a I got a vision for it. 00:06:35.305 --> 00:06:36.425 I got pack rink eyes. 00:06:36.425 --> 00:06:46.680 That's right. Listen, for those of you who have not explored Pacific Rink yet, go check their stuff out. They make in our opinion the best hockey bag in the game, period. 00:06:46.760 --> 00:06:49.160 Period. Stop. Period. Stop. Period. 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:49.480 Stop. 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:57.145 Yes. And the journeyman bag that we're gonna give away again for any of you parents who travel for sports, their Pacific Ring journeyman bag is awesome. 00:06:57.145 --> 00:06:58.185 Amazing. Yes. 00:06:58.345 --> 00:07:01.705 I took it to I I took a bunch of places. We took it to Lake Placid. 00:07:01.705 --> 00:07:02.265 Yes. We did. 00:07:02.265 --> 00:07:03.385 And I took it to Atlanta. 00:07:03.465 --> 00:07:04.105 Yes. You did. 00:07:04.105 --> 00:07:08.265 So easy to fly with too, by the way. Yep. Like, not need to check it. It goes right in the overhead. 00:07:08.640 --> 00:07:09.280 Perfect. 00:07:09.280 --> 00:07:10.000 So easy. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:13.760 Slam dunk. Speaking of slam dunks, let's give a little shout out to the Knicks. 00:07:13.760 --> 00:07:18.000 Yeah. That's crazy, man. Yo. You know, that was wild. Yeah. 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:22.595 I'm shocked shocked they put one. Why? I because they haven't won in forever. 00:07:22.595 --> 00:07:26.595 Fair. But like, you know, it is it it it was bound to happen at some point. 00:07:26.595 --> 00:07:31.715 At some point. Yeah. I'm a jet fan, so I'm not so sure about that. 00:07:31.715 --> 00:07:45.240 It'll happen. You think in your In my lifetime? If it doesn't happen in your lifetime, are you like will you be like on your deathbed just like Really? Like, is this something that is that close? 00:07:45.080 --> 00:07:52.015 Gonna say that on my deathbed, I will probably not be thinking about the New York Jets. If I am, there's a bigger problem. 00:07:52.495 --> 00:07:55.375 That's that's very reasonable. Yeah. Okay. It's not 00:07:55.375 --> 00:08:04.060 that important to me, but I am not expecting the Jets to win a Super Bowl until Woody Johnson sells the team and Gary Vee buys it. 00:08:04.060 --> 00:08:04.460 Okay. 00:08:04.460 --> 00:08:08.460 I've said that before in this podcast, Gary Vee buys the Jets, they win a Super Bowl, period. 00:08:08.860 --> 00:08:14.940 What if someone else buys the Jets? Nope. And only only Gary Vee can do it? Yep. He's the only one that can reverse the voodoo? 00:08:14.940 --> 00:08:17.180 I'm telling you, Gary Vee buys the Jets, they 00:08:17.180 --> 00:08:18.755 win the Super Bowl. Okay. 00:08:18.755 --> 00:08:20.115 Yeah. Nothing else. 00:08:20.355 --> 00:08:21.555 Well, I think you're probably 00:08:21.715 --> 00:08:23.795 Woody Johnson stays as the owner or the Johnson family 00:08:23.955 --> 00:08:24.275 No go. 00:08:24.355 --> 00:08:28.115 They'll never win a Super Bowl because the fish rots from their head down. Mhmm. 00:08:28.755 --> 00:08:30.275 Is that the way the way 00:08:30.275 --> 00:08:34.600 it goes? That's how it goes. That's what they say at least. 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:35.960 Oh, okay. Who's they in that sentence? 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:37.320 They. The fishermen? They. Is that 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:38.360 you hang out with? 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:40.520 You know they? Yeah. They. They say it. 00:08:40.520 --> 00:08:41.240 Yeah. They do. 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:43.960 They. You wanna hear something funny? What? I'll tell you something funny. 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:44.200 What? 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:51.615 So I you'll get kicked out of this. So Dominic had a, remember that remember that pickup game they had two weeks ago? 00:08:51.615 --> 00:08:52.015 Yes. 00:08:52.015 --> 00:08:53.055 They had another one yesterday. 00:08:53.055 --> 00:08:55.055 You know, and I we didn't even talk about that yesterday. 00:08:55.055 --> 00:08:57.055 Yeah. Very last minute. Yes. Right? 00:08:57.055 --> 00:08:59.480 But I didn't even ask you about so tell. 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:10.680 Okay. So, so we that same team reached out to us from Brewster, New York and they said, you know, you wanna bring whoever is available to come up and play. Yeah. So we played them again. We had six forwards and four d. 00:09:11.005 --> 00:09:12.285 Perfect. That's perfect. 00:09:12.285 --> 00:09:14.125 Yeah. Yeah. The kids were gassed at the end 00:09:14.125 --> 00:09:15.645 of But that's that's perfect. 00:09:15.805 --> 00:09:16.845 Every other shift they went on. 00:09:16.845 --> 00:09:17.005 Yeah. 00:09:17.005 --> 00:09:29.850 Exactly. I'm sure they like that although in the third period they looked a little heavy. The legs were not coming up as much as they did in the first two periods. So so I'm in the stands talking to talking to one of our goalie dads. Yeah. 00:09:29.850 --> 00:09:36.810 Okay? And he he obviously listens to the podcast and he was talking about the episode with Ben Sire from Princeton. 00:09:36.810 --> 00:09:36.970 Yep. 00:09:36.970 --> 00:09:47.695 Princeton head coach. Which was 69? Episode 60 Correct. If you haven't checked that out, go check Ben Sire out, Princeton head coach. Awesome awesome interview. 00:09:47.695 --> 00:09:48.255 Go Tigers. 00:09:48.255 --> 00:09:58.830 Episode 69. So, so he's sitting there talking to me and he's asking about, remember how coach Sire brought up John Gordon, the author of Hard Hat 00:09:58.990 --> 00:09:59.230 Yes. 00:09:59.310 --> 00:10:00.510 And Energy Bus? 00:10:00.510 --> 00:10:01.070 Yes. 00:10:02.590 --> 00:10:13.735 So he mentioned he mentioned it, to me. And I'm like, oh yeah. I'm like I read those books forever ago. And he goes, Jamie, did you read them or did you listen to them? Exactly. 00:10:13.975 --> 00:10:22.695 Exactly. Well, was just saying it because he obviously heard on episode and he heard you busting my balls about me listening to them not reading Yeah. But he said that, thought you'd get a kick out 00:10:22.695 --> 00:10:24.730 of Well, that's what I'm saying. You didn't read them. 00:10:24.730 --> 00:10:25.770 Shout out Johnny Mac. 00:10:25.770 --> 00:10:28.490 Yeah. You see Johnny, we're on the same page brother. 00:10:29.210 --> 00:10:30.730 My man. I thought you'd get a kick out 00:10:30.730 --> 00:10:30.970 of that. 00:10:30.970 --> 00:10:35.130 Yeah. Well, it's true. Yes. Johnny Mac, you see, he said it to me yesterday. 00:10:35.130 --> 00:10:36.330 Good. Good for Johnny. 00:10:36.330 --> 00:10:39.085 Yeah. But the game was the game was the game was 00:10:42.205 --> 00:10:44.205 What is it? I mean, 00:10:44.205 --> 00:10:45.725 we we lost two one. 00:10:45.805 --> 00:10:46.685 You lost? 00:10:46.685 --> 00:10:47.565 We lost. 00:10:47.645 --> 00:10:48.365 Long ball. 00:10:48.365 --> 00:10:54.090 Listen, the goalie stood on his head. Which one? The the other team's goalie. Our goalies were good too. No. 00:10:54.090 --> 00:10:57.690 No. Was was it was this the same goalie that you played last time? They brought in a ringer. 00:10:57.690 --> 00:11:12.815 Don't I so I I'm because that does happen. I'm like so they this team, they did it they did it the first time too. They they brought kids that were not are not on their fall Right. Right. So apparently, of the parents said that they did this again yesterday. 00:11:12.815 --> 00:11:13.695 Yeah. I was not paying attention. 00:11:13.695 --> 00:11:15.295 It doesn't matter. 00:11:15.295 --> 00:11:18.470 It's a it's a scrimmage a y type thing. That wasn't important. 00:11:18.470 --> 00:11:18.950 Yeah. You 00:11:18.950 --> 00:11:26.630 know? But it was just for the kids to go out there and have fun and fuck around. Right? Yep. So and their goalie played well. 00:11:26.630 --> 00:11:29.350 The goalie kept Good. We shot the puck on him a lot. 00:11:29.350 --> 00:11:29.910 Yeah. That's good. 00:11:29.910 --> 00:11:44.755 Right? And he kept the puck out of the net. But it's funny. They're like, I was talking to Nancy, and Dominic is having this like it's like every other year, he has like a major like issue. You know, like two years ago, was his skating. 00:11:45.040 --> 00:12:01.155 So now the skating looks better, but now his hands and his shot on the ice are like what's the word I'm looking for? They are I won't say well, they're definitely inconsistent, but they're sloppy. Mhmm. Right? Like, loses the puck a lot Yeah. 00:12:01.155 --> 00:12:02.195 When he's stick handling. 00:12:02.195 --> 00:12:03.635 Is he over stick handling? 00:12:04.195 --> 00:12:18.480 Maybe. Yeah. But he's he's so he's he and and the shot is like the puck's like floating toward the net again. It's not like so sometimes it goes on the line, don't get me wrong, but like some I don't know if Dominic's getting in his own head Yeah. Or what Yeah. 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:30.145 But like every like every every other year Dominic has like an issue with like mechanics or like something I'm noticing. And I'm pretty sure it's mostly mental. That's my guess. 00:12:30.145 --> 00:12:34.465 Okay. He is a growing kid. So limbs could be different lengths. 00:12:34.465 --> 00:12:35.505 So you're not Like shit 00:12:35.505 --> 00:12:35.745 like that. 00:12:35.745 --> 00:12:48.690 I I thought that as well. I thought that could be cause he is growing, know, he keeps he keeps and he keeps whenever Dominic's heel hurts him, he has this thing called Sever's disease Sever's disease Sever's disease, I think you call it. So Sever's disease, I think I've talked about 00:12:48.690 --> 00:12:49.090 on podcast 00:12:49.090 --> 00:12:51.970 before. Right? It's the growth plate and the heel. 00:12:51.970 --> 00:12:52.130 Yep. 00:12:52.805 --> 00:13:01.605 And when you do like impact sports and you're pounding on it, right? It starts to hurt. Mhmm. Especially when the growth plate is open and the kid's growing. 00:13:01.605 --> 00:13:01.925 Right. 00:13:01.925 --> 00:13:09.570 Right? So like every once in a while, his heel hurts him. You know, so he is growing because he's been saying that his heel and his shins are hurting him. 00:13:09.570 --> 00:13:09.970 Okay. 00:13:09.970 --> 00:13:13.890 So he's obviously growing. Right? And he is getting bigger. I mean, the kid I can't keep the kid 00:13:13.970 --> 00:13:17.250 How much weight did he put on since he started Parisi last year until now? 00:13:19.035 --> 00:13:21.115 You know, that's actually a very good question. 00:13:22.395 --> 00:13:24.155 Did it even go up? It must have gone up. 00:13:24.155 --> 00:13:29.115 He did go up. Yeah. No. There's no question about it. He he probably put on like, I would say like eight to ten pounds of muscle. 00:13:29.115 --> 00:13:46.860 No shit. He I think he I would wanna say when he when he when he went in, he was like hundred pounds and now he's like one eleven, something like that. So no, and he looks physically bigger. There's no question about it. I mean, he's also hitting puberty so everything is kind of growing. 00:13:47.975 --> 00:13:48.300 Helped. Right? 00:13:48.935 --> 00:13:49.095 Yeah. 00:13:49.095 --> 00:13:55.415 No question about it. Yep. Right? All all the workouts that he's been doing is is definitely helping. But yeah. 00:13:56.535 --> 00:14:14.355 So so he's growing. So so he is getting longer. So I'm not sure if it's a that issue or if it's a confidence issue or if it's a whatever. But the problem with Dominic is is that when he when things and I'm sure some of our listeners have this problem with their kids too. When when when he, like, when he flubs a shot toward the net Yep. 00:14:14.355 --> 00:14:15.075 He gets pissed. 00:14:15.795 --> 00:14:16.355 Yeah. Sure. 00:14:16.355 --> 00:14:20.275 You know? And we're trying to teach him to not get pissed. Easier said than done. 00:14:20.275 --> 00:14:24.915 No. Yeah. Well, yeah. Definitely easier said than done. You know, listen, it'll come with time. 00:14:25.395 --> 00:14:26.995 I I really think, like, 00:14:26.995 --> 00:14:29.610 you know, not a guarantee. 00:14:29.610 --> 00:14:30.330 I hope so. 00:14:30.330 --> 00:14:31.450 But look, I 00:14:31.690 --> 00:14:32.970 I hope so. 00:14:33.050 --> 00:14:35.130 I don't know. It's part of it's a maturity thing. 00:14:35.530 --> 00:14:39.210 I hope think so? Yeah. Right? But I guess we're gonna find out. 00:14:39.210 --> 00:14:50.805 Who were we talking about? Yeah. Who was I talking to about this? Maybe it was you or maybe it was even on the last podcast. Who was talking about, the commencement speech with Roger Federer? 00:14:50.805 --> 00:14:51.685 Oh, that wasn't me. 00:14:51.685 --> 00:14:58.640 That wasn't you. No. Yeah. He did a commencement speech and it was pretty much he asked like the audience. That was my brother-in-law yesterday. 00:14:58.640 --> 00:14:58.800 And he 00:14:58.800 --> 00:15:15.095 was like at some commencement speech and I and I could be like you know messing it up. I didn't hear it myself but he was just telling me and like you know, so it's anecdotal but Right. That he asked like you know the audience or the crowd or like graduates or whomever. Mhmm. Like, you know, what percentage of my shots do you think that I won? 00:15:15.655 --> 00:15:19.975 My lifetime. This is, arguably the greatest player to ever play the game. Right? 00:15:20.375 --> 00:15:21.175 Can I guess? 00:15:21.175 --> 00:15:24.215 Yeah. Yeah. I guess. And I could my my I could the stat could be wrong Out of 00:15:24.215 --> 00:15:28.470 out of all of his matches, the percentage of Points. Of points he won. 00:15:28.470 --> 00:15:28.790 That he won. 00:15:28.870 --> 00:15:30.790 Won and lost. These are the ones that he won. 00:15:30.790 --> 00:15:32.870 Yeah. Just what what percent did he win? 00:15:32.870 --> 00:15:39.350 I'm gonna say, like, 51 or 52%. 00:15:39.350 --> 00:15:46.425 Very close. If if my brother-in-law was recalling correctly, 54%. Okay. Right. But he won 80% of his matches or something like that. 00:15:46.425 --> 00:15:48.345 No. He was she's a tremendous tennis player. 00:15:48.345 --> 00:15:53.385 So Tremendous. So and it's like the same thing like Michael Jordan says, you know, like how many shots did he miss? 00:15:53.385 --> 00:15:55.145 Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's true. 00:15:55.540 --> 00:16:08.580 So like once once I think once you have like this like understanding Mhmm. And whatever like, you know, baseball too, what percentage like what, you know, guys that are like getting a hit like hitting the ball a lot, what what's their batting percentage? 00:16:08.805 --> 00:16:16.405 I mean, today Yeah. A guy today in baseball, like, a guy that a guy that hits 300 is like a unicorn. Like, you don't have guys hitting 300. You have a handful of 00:16:16.405 --> 00:16:17.685 guys hitting 300 anymore. 00:16:17.685 --> 00:16:19.685 So the And those guys are basically hall of famers now. 00:16:19.685 --> 00:16:21.365 And and those are like so we're not talking 00:16:21.285 --> 00:16:23.045 succeeding three out of 10 times. 00:16:23.045 --> 00:16:23.845 Three out of 10 times. 00:16:23.845 --> 00:16:24.485 Which is not a lot. 00:16:25.180 --> 00:16:37.900 Right. So the the whole point is that, like, you're gonna miss a lot more than you're gonna make. Yeah. So once you come to terms with this and you understand that, I think that there's like Yeah. Per perhaps you don't get as angry. 00:16:39.625 --> 00:16:41.785 My child or me? Your child. 00:16:42.185 --> 00:16:43.625 No. But like what no. 00:16:43.625 --> 00:16:44.745 I I don't know. I'm talking 00:16:44.745 --> 00:16:46.745 about I'm talking about generally speaking. 00:16:46.745 --> 00:16:48.585 So how do you tell that to a fucking 14 year old? 00:16:48.585 --> 00:16:56.790 What do you mean? You don't even have to. Just let him listen to Roger Federer. Be like, dude, this is the greatest player or one of the greatest players of all time. 00:16:56.790 --> 00:17:04.390 I I see. I've shown him those videos. I've shown him those videos about Michael Jordan saying like he's like he Listen. He lost more than he won and yada yada yada. Right? 00:17:04.390 --> 00:17:07.855 Or whatever it was. Or he missed missed a gazillion shots. I agree with you. 00:17:07.855 --> 00:17:14.815 But it's and listen, you can get mad. You can get mad, but it's we tell our kids What you What you do What you you do dude. 00:17:14.815 --> 00:17:16.495 Right. If you slam your stick and you stop scamming 00:17:16.575 --> 00:17:18.415 You're be a shithead? Then get off the ice. That 00:17:19.150 --> 00:17:19.870 100%. 00:17:19.870 --> 00:17:21.150 You're gonna be a shithead, get off the ice. 00:17:21.150 --> 00:17:25.550 I'd tell Tomo Tomego, get the fuck off the ice. Like, off the ice. You're gonna you're gonna pout and complain, get off the ice. 00:17:25.550 --> 00:17:26.270 A 100%. 00:17:26.270 --> 00:17:29.710 You know, get off the ice. Put somebody on that's not gonna do that. Yeah. You know? Mhmm. 00:17:29.710 --> 00:17:30.030 Mhmm. 00:17:30.030 --> 00:17:39.755 And that's all yeah. Like and and and that's why I think like, you know, the effort piece is also like oftentimes tied to Mhmm. Like confidence and tied to 00:17:39.995 --> 00:17:40.875 Yeah. It is. 00:17:40.875 --> 00:17:56.340 Like, you know, the stories that kids tell themselves like Yeah. You know, if you really think that like you can get the puck back from someone, you're probably gonna slam on the brakes and like, you know, get it back. But if you're like have a if you're defeated, if you're giving yourself negative self talk giving up based on the play. And then you see 00:17:56.420 --> 00:17:58.740 What the hell good is that? No. You're no good for anybody. 00:17:58.740 --> 00:17:59.540 No good for anybody. 00:17:59.540 --> 00:18:00.660 Literally, you're no good for anybody. 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:04.555 You lose the puck, you go on what's my job now? Your job is to get that fucking thing back. 00:18:04.555 --> 00:18:09.435 And that's what I keep I keep waiting to see my kid do that. I have not seen it yet. 00:18:09.435 --> 00:18:10.795 You're not the only one, dude. 00:18:10.875 --> 00:18:12.715 It's it's an awful feeling, Scott. 00:18:12.875 --> 00:18:16.475 Yeah. It's an awful feeling. You know what, like, pissed me off today? What? And like this is 00:18:16.700 --> 00:18:18.220 Was this in the game this morning you guys played? 00:18:18.220 --> 00:18:33.115 Yeah. And it's, you know, I think, Topher and, the they have a lot of sayings, you know, the on their pocket. One of them is, how you do anything is how you do everything. Yes. I'm watching so Otto made a great pass to spring a guy in a breakaway this morning. 00:18:33.595 --> 00:18:42.075 And I'm just watching and like there was there was it it was the guy's on a breakaway. There's one d trailing him trying to like catch, you know, back check and pick him 00:18:42.075 --> 00:18:42.555 up. Yeah. 00:18:42.555 --> 00:18:55.290 And like Otto lets off the gas. Like, dude, you gotta crash the net, bro. Like, what good are you on the blue line if the puck is sitting in the slot and like, someone blows a tire and it's just sitting there. Well, you know, like, me a break, bro. 00:18:55.290 --> 00:18:56.810 You gotta be in the right position. 00:18:56.810 --> 00:18:59.130 But like that that type of stuff like, you know. 00:18:59.445 --> 00:19:00.965 I know. It's awful. It's rare. 00:19:01.045 --> 00:19:06.005 I just wanna see stops and starts. I just wanna see you get get after it. I just wanna see you like Yeah. 00:19:06.005 --> 00:19:12.645 Stops and starts, by the way. That's a very good point as opposed to just helicopter turning. Like, actually, like, put on the brakes and go the other direction. 00:19:12.645 --> 00:19:13.365 Stops and starts. 00:19:13.500 --> 00:19:17.580 Yeah. Exactly. And stops and starts are I think Jamie Dads said stops and starts are huge. 00:19:17.660 --> 00:19:17.900 Of course. 00:19:17.900 --> 00:19:21.820 They should have doubted that. But I my kid doesn't stop and start. My kid just helicopter turns. 00:19:21.820 --> 00:19:22.940 No. Stops and starts. 00:19:22.940 --> 00:19:23.900 Yeah. I'm with you, buddy. 00:19:23.900 --> 00:19:29.020 That was interesting. So a guy that was on that we played pickup with this morning Yeah. Apparently played in the East Coast Hockey League. 00:19:29.020 --> 00:19:29.260 Mhmm. 00:19:29.875 --> 00:19:33.715 And and he was good. Yeah. And I don't know how far 00:19:33.795 --> 00:19:34.595 How old the guy is he now? 00:19:34.595 --> 00:19:39.875 He's definitely old. Are he 30? 40? No. He's I would say in his forties probably. 00:19:41.900 --> 00:19:55.420 But you know, he's you know, it's like the thing that is just so obvious playing against someone that's played at that level. Mhmm. And I'm sure he was going like at a a fraction of what he could probably have done with us, you know. But it's just like when you hear p like the broadcasters talk about details 00:19:55.660 --> 00:19:56.060 Mhmm. 00:19:56.060 --> 00:19:59.235 And when you're playing against someone who has all the details dialed in 00:19:59.395 --> 00:19:59.555 Yeah. 00:19:59.635 --> 00:20:09.475 It's like it's just like the the positioning and like Yeah. With the puck, without the puck. Like going wide, how are you getting your you know, like you're just boxing out 00:20:09.635 --> 00:20:09.875 Yeah. 00:20:09.955 --> 00:20:10.995 Like where you where you're stick 00:20:11.500 --> 00:20:12.860 He plays the game the right way. 00:20:12.860 --> 00:20:13.500 But like all like 00:20:13.660 --> 00:20:14.060 I know. 00:20:14.060 --> 00:20:19.820 There was it's almost like he he handcuffs you with like everything you try to do just because he's got like all the details dialed in. 00:20:19.820 --> 00:20:21.740 And it's probably all on autopilot with him. 00:20:21.980 --> 00:20:23.100 No doubt. And it's just like 00:20:23.180 --> 00:20:27.565 It's all just second. It's it's just like a it's just force of habit, like, which does it. 00:20:27.565 --> 00:20:31.245 Right. Everything is tight. Everything is controlled. Everything is, like, with purpose. Yeah. 00:20:31.245 --> 00:20:32.365 And it's just 00:20:32.685 --> 00:20:34.365 Yeah. I'm sure it looks awesome too. 00:20:34.685 --> 00:20:36.205 It it it's yes. 00:20:36.390 --> 00:20:38.550 It does. You were playing against him or he's against you? 00:20:38.550 --> 00:20:43.670 No. He was yeah. It was just like a pickup. He was on he was on the other team. But, you know, it was cool to play against him. 00:20:43.670 --> 00:20:47.590 Mhmm. Yeah. You just to kinda see some of it. But, yeah, details are dialed. 00:20:47.590 --> 00:20:49.110 Did he come down on you on a breakaway? 00:20:49.535 --> 00:20:57.215 No. But he got around. He he beat me wide, beat me wide, and then he ended up going back, you know, hitting someone backdoor for a goal. 00:20:57.455 --> 00:20:59.535 Ah. Where was the offside defenseman? 00:21:00.255 --> 00:21:03.055 Well, in when you played pickup at, 06:30 in the morning 00:21:03.215 --> 00:21:03.455 Yeah. 00:21:03.535 --> 00:21:04.210 Like, So 00:21:04.210 --> 00:21:05.730 he was he was sleeping with his coffee? 00:21:05.730 --> 00:21:08.370 No. He was probably still trying to score a goal on the other end. 00:21:09.010 --> 00:21:10.450 He was on the side the ice. 00:21:10.450 --> 00:21:21.705 Dude, I I play with we play with this guy. I I won't say his name, but like he's a little older also and he plays defense. Mhmm. But like if you were to look at his his heat map for the game, like as a He's defense 00:21:21.785 --> 00:21:23.785 one area. He's in the neutral zone. 00:21:23.785 --> 00:21:31.705 No. No. Like as a defenseman Yeah. Like it is flaming red behind the offensive goal, like the opposing goal. He's over there. 00:21:31.705 --> 00:21:36.870 Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's like he's the defenseman that play he like sets up shop behind the other like Gretzky's office. 00:21:36.870 --> 00:21:38.950 I was gonna say, he thinks he's like Kal McCarr. 00:21:38.950 --> 00:21:44.790 No. He doesn't. He definitely he definitely is 00:21:45.190 --> 00:21:45.990 He tries to 00:21:45.990 --> 00:21:49.115 be Kal McCarr. He takes he takes liberties in the offensive zone. 00:21:49.115 --> 00:21:52.635 So the the so the other defenseman has to be like the stay at home guy? 00:21:52.955 --> 00:21:56.235 I I mean, you need like your center to then become your defenseman. 00:21:56.235 --> 00:21:58.475 Oh, yes. Or the winger to drop back. Right? It 00:21:58.795 --> 00:22:10.380 doesn't matter. But that's the thing of like, you know, pick up in the morning is like, people's back check is not exactly Listen. And then the annoying thing is and then you have people that just kinda like hang Yeah. And they're looking to get sprung on a breakaway 00:22:10.540 --> 00:22:10.940 Right. 00:22:10.940 --> 00:22:23.875 Because they know that one of the defensemen is like pinching up. It's like at the same time also it's like as annoying as is sometimes if defensemen are just playing offense the whole game. Yeah. Yeah. It's like at the same time if you're like also having people just hanging and like pick up, it's like come on guy. 00:22:23.875 --> 00:22:28.115 Yeah. That's true. I could see that a lot in pick up especially at that time in the morning by the way. Yeah. That's not easy. 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:29.760 What? Getting up that early? 00:22:29.760 --> 00:22:32.000 Yeah. To play a well, what what time were 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:33.840 you up? I got up at five. 00:22:33.840 --> 00:22:34.720 Oh, that's not bad. 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:41.120 No. Sunday. The Sunday one's better. The time on the Saturday Yeah. Saturday one is like a it's a it's a 05:30 start. 00:22:41.325 --> 00:22:42.765 So it's like a 04:00 week. 00:22:42.765 --> 00:22:46.605 Oh, even earlier? Yeah. Okay. Were you local? How far from the rink? 00:22:46.605 --> 00:22:48.365 Oh, it's twenty minutes. The Palisades. 00:22:48.365 --> 00:22:51.085 Oh, the mall. Gotcha. Oh, nice. Alright. Cool. 00:22:51.085 --> 00:22:51.725 Nice man. 00:22:51.725 --> 00:22:52.685 Very cool. Yeah. 00:22:52.685 --> 00:22:55.245 Shove it. We actually didn't know our partner. Should we do that? Should we roll into that right now? 00:22:55.245 --> 00:22:55.885 Yeah. Go for it. 00:22:55.885 --> 00:23:01.910 Alright. So we'll take care of little business. So, Howie's Hockey. Crazy ten. Crazy ten. 00:23:02.150 --> 00:23:12.715 Go check out howie'shockey.com for any laces, tape, candles, scissors, Stacy's son's favorite, is it blue t shirt or is it yellow? 00:23:12.715 --> 00:23:13.115 Blue. 00:23:13.115 --> 00:23:14.075 It's blue, isn't it? 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We really appreciate it. 00:27:53.185 --> 00:27:54.465 Could not do this without you. 00:27:54.465 --> 00:27:55.265 Definitely not. 00:27:55.265 --> 00:28:10.680 If you like what you're hearing, go leave a review on Spotify or Apple or wherever you listen to us on because it really helps us in the Instagram algorithm or not the Instagram. And the Any of them? The podcast algorithm ranking system. Whatever. Whatever it is. 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:11.400 It just helps. 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:17.480 Whatever that is. It just helps. So thank you so much for doing it, in advance. Yeah, man. 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:18.760 It's good stuff. 00:28:18.760 --> 00:28:21.720 Yeah. So we got a lot of new people that have been finding us, is pretty awesome. 00:28:21.825 --> 00:28:25.025 No. It's really great. Facebook's blowing up. Yes. Love it. 00:28:25.025 --> 00:28:28.705 Check us out. Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, wherever. 00:28:29.185 --> 00:28:30.305 Wherever is right. 00:28:31.025 --> 00:28:33.745 So yeah. So you got some hockey under your belt, which is nice. 00:28:33.745 --> 00:28:34.145 We did. 00:28:34.630 --> 00:28:38.310 Otto is going to play in a tournament this coming weekend. 00:28:38.310 --> 00:28:38.710 Right. 00:28:38.950 --> 00:28:43.350 He's got a couple games. You know, he's excited to, you know, have some games. Sweet. 00:28:43.350 --> 00:28:44.070 Yeah. The games are fun 00:28:44.070 --> 00:29:00.655 for him. You know, he's he hasn't it'll be the the first game will be the first time like this group has been on the ice together. And Okay. You know, it it's it definitely meant to be, you know, more teachable moments. That's at least the coaching staff's mission like going into 00:29:00.735 --> 00:29:01.615 they're saying to you. 00:29:01.970 --> 00:29:02.930 Yeah. So we'll see. 00:29:02.930 --> 00:29:04.530 Do you think it's just a selling feature? 00:29:04.850 --> 00:29:06.370 Oh, listen, I'm gonna find out. 00:29:06.370 --> 00:29:07.250 Well, let me know. 00:29:07.410 --> 00:29:18.535 I'm curious. Yeah. I'll I'll, you know, I'll talk to Otto and see what kind of feedback and instruction he gets on the bench. Hopefully, it's I'm curious. It's a lot for him to think about and like he goes out there and actually tries to execute some things that maybe he's not used to executing, you 00:29:18.535 --> 00:29:19.335 know? Right. 00:29:19.655 --> 00:29:27.095 So whatever. That'll be interesting. But I'm just happy that he's gonna be on the ice in a game situation. It's been it's been a minute and he's looking forward to it. Nice. 00:29:27.095 --> 00:29:28.215 Happy for him. 00:29:28.215 --> 00:29:29.575 Yeah. That's awesome, dude. 00:29:29.575 --> 00:29:32.620 Yeah. But That's great. Matt, he hasn't no no like clinics, no 00:29:32.940 --> 00:29:34.300 No? No skating? 00:29:34.940 --> 00:29:45.980 Like really not not that much. I mean, I feel like I've been saying talking on both sides of my out of both sides of my mouth. Right. But like, he's had they they've had a few practices 00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:46.060 Mhmm. 00:29:46.985 --> 00:29:50.745 As team practices, but there's only been a handful. He finished up You're 00:29:50.745 --> 00:29:51.945 still doing team practices? 00:29:51.945 --> 00:29:53.145 He had one last week. 00:29:53.145 --> 00:29:53.625 No shit. 00:29:53.625 --> 00:29:55.625 I don't know that was the last one. We might have one more. 00:29:55.785 --> 00:29:56.985 We've been done with that for 00:29:56.985 --> 00:29:59.225 a while. Purposely pushed it down the road. 00:29:59.225 --> 00:30:02.345 Did they? Yeah. We've been done for a while. Like a long while. 00:30:02.310 --> 00:30:11.750 Yeah. Know. He had practice And last then I think he's got another maybe I don't know about this coming week. But at this point, like no clinics, no we haven't been dropping in anywhere really. No. 00:30:11.750 --> 00:30:17.055 It's just been like, you know Right. Like once a week has been on the ice. Right. The last 00:30:17.055 --> 00:30:20.575 couple Okay. Weeks. All right. Well, just once. 00:30:21.055 --> 00:30:28.655 Yeah. So he was on the, like twice a week when he was doing a spring clinic. Right. That came to an end. And then it was like once a week with his team practice. 00:30:28.940 --> 00:30:29.580 Okay. 00:30:29.580 --> 00:30:33.420 And then, you know, when the summer comes around, he's in a few camps that's like 00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:33.820 Right. 00:30:33.820 --> 00:30:40.220 For a couple hours except for Princeton. He's the hockey that he's enrolled in is just like a couple hours in the morning here and there. 00:30:40.220 --> 00:30:40.460 Right. 00:30:40.460 --> 00:30:45.685 So it looks on the calendar, there's a lot of hockey. Yeah. Yeah. But ultimately, it's not like these are full days of hockey camp. 00:30:45.685 --> 00:30:46.005 No. No. 00:30:46.005 --> 00:30:46.405 They they 00:30:46.565 --> 00:30:51.205 I think they're on the ice in the morning for an hour and a half and in the afternoon for an hour and a half or something along 00:30:51.205 --> 00:30:51.365 those 00:30:51.365 --> 00:30:58.310 lines in camp. Right? And then they take them to the pool, they take them to like go bounce around outside and Yeah. Off, Perfect. Like, off a lot of off ice stuff outside. 00:30:59.270 --> 00:31:01.190 I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. That should be fun. 00:31:01.190 --> 00:31:05.590 No. Me too. I also, I walked by the other day, so Otto, you know, he's 00:31:05.750 --> 00:31:08.390 Go check out princetonprincetonhockeycamps.com. 00:31:09.635 --> 00:31:10.915 Is that the website? 00:31:10.915 --> 00:31:11.395 I think so. 00:31:11.395 --> 00:31:13.555 Yeah. You're just throwing a .com at 00:31:13.555 --> 00:31:18.995 the end the sentence. I'm I'm keep talking. I'm gonna look it up. But I'm pretty sure 00:31:18.995 --> 00:31:20.995 Princeton It's in the show notes. Episode 00:31:20.995 --> 00:31:24.880 60 show notes. Yes. You you put it in episode 69. That's right. Yeah. 00:31:25.120 --> 00:31:28.080 Hold on. Am I right about this? Shit. What'd I say it was? 00:31:28.080 --> 00:31:30.800 You said princetonsportshockeycamp.com? 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:31.600 Know what I say. 00:31:31.600 --> 00:31:32.480 I don't know. Did I 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:34.320 say princetonsportscamps.com? 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:35.040 Maybe. 00:31:35.120 --> 00:31:36.720 It's princetonsportscamps.com. 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.615 Okay. Well, if that's in fact what you said, you did it right. 00:31:39.615 --> 00:31:42.015 Maybe. Well, I corrected it then if I didn't do it right. Well, 00:31:42.015 --> 00:31:42.415 either way. 00:31:42.415 --> 00:31:47.055 So check out princetonsportscamps.com. We need to sell out the hockey camp. 00:31:47.295 --> 00:31:48.335 It's not sold out? 00:31:49.455 --> 00:31:51.160 I think when we had coach Sire 00:31:51.320 --> 00:31:52.120 You said there's a few spots. 00:31:52.120 --> 00:32:01.240 Said there was a handful of spots. So go to princetonsportscamps.com and put your Are you on Princeton's payroll? Maybe. Either that or I'm just a big fan. 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:02.440 Yeah. I know you're a big fan. 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:02.600 Yeah. 00:32:03.115 --> 00:32:05.275 So Gonna get you a tiger tail that you can wear around 00:32:05.195 --> 00:32:07.995 They are the d one program in our state. 00:32:07.995 --> 00:32:08.635 That's true. 00:32:08.635 --> 00:32:14.315 So I have to support them. I just happened to be taking Dominic there since he's like six. Yeah. You know? So we've been going for quite some time. 00:32:15.050 --> 00:32:16.890 Listen, and I I like the town of Princeton. 00:32:16.890 --> 00:32:17.610 Yeah. I know you do. 00:32:17.610 --> 00:32:25.210 You know, I like I we stay at the Nassau Inn Mhmm. Over on Nassau Street. Mhmm. In is it Palmer Square, I think it's called? 00:32:25.210 --> 00:32:25.930 I don't know. 00:32:26.410 --> 00:32:39.135 Yeah. So if you ever guys ever go to Princeton, check out the Nassau Inn at in it's in Palmer Square, right on Nassau Street, right off Nassau. It's based around the border of the campus. You you stare at the campus. 00:32:39.455 --> 00:32:41.855 Can you blow me where the Pampers 00:32:41.855 --> 00:32:43.775 is? PCU? 00:32:45.270 --> 00:32:52.310 You show Can me where the Pampers you show me where the campus is? 00:32:53.430 --> 00:32:59.355 It's a great movie. Great movie. Great movie. 00:32:59.355 --> 00:33:02.395 That was very appropriate. Speaking of like being like really high. 00:33:02.395 --> 00:33:06.395 Yeah. They were supposed to talk about Revenge of the Nerds now. That's what I feel like we're supposed to talk about. 00:33:07.035 --> 00:33:14.310 I love that movie. When I was a kid, I loved it. Great movie. But ogre. 00:33:14.310 --> 00:33:17.830 I was just gonna say that. Yeah. It's so funny you said that. I was thinking the same thing. 00:33:17.830 --> 00:33:19.030 No. But So there was 00:33:19.270 --> 00:33:20.070 Ogre Louie. 00:33:20.070 --> 00:33:26.470 I saw I saw a clip of Avery. Yeah. Sean Avery. I I think there's a podcast, Puck Stories. 00:33:26.470 --> 00:33:27.270 I think that's a podcast. Okay. 00:33:28.195 --> 00:33:37.075 Anyway, so he was it was a clip on YouTube and he was saying how, when he had first started, he was playing for the Red Wings. Right. And Brett 00:33:36.915 --> 00:33:37.955 Is that Hull where he started? 00:33:37.955 --> 00:33:38.595 I think so. 00:33:38.595 --> 00:33:39.155 Okay. I think 00:33:39.155 --> 00:33:44.900 that was where he Red Wings and Brett Hull. Right? And so Brett Hull was on the team and Brett Hull took him under his wing. 00:33:44.900 --> 00:33:45.460 Oh, okay. 00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:52.420 Interesting. So he I think he lived at Brett Hull's, like, house, but maybe, like, there was, like, a detached garage and he lived above the garage or maybe that doesn't matter. 00:33:52.420 --> 00:33:52.980 Something like that. 00:33:52.980 --> 00:34:10.040 Yeah. Something something like that. I don't know. So so apparently, Hull had gone up to Avery's, like, room or whatever, and there was a kitchen maybe there somewhere. And Avery and so he wasn't there, but, like, Hull took like, ate, like, a couple brownies out of his refrigerator. 00:34:10.040 --> 00:34:12.280 Oh my goodness. Hot brownies. 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:13.320 Yeah. What I gonna 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:14.440 say. Yeah. And apparently He 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:15.320 was all banged up? 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:25.385 Apparently, like, I think Avery said something along the lines of, like, like, Hull like his Hull's wife was saying that he was lying in their closet just doing snow angels. 00:34:32.345 --> 00:35:00.765 So it's funny. Speaking of that Yeah. We didn't talk about it with Rich Cohen when we were interviewing him for Pee Wee's but there's a passage in Pee Wee's where one of the hockey dads from his son's team gives him gummies, marijuana gummies and he's like fucked up for like three days. It's actually a really good passage in the book. It's earlier on in the book I think. 00:35:01.485 --> 00:35:10.130 Yeah. So that's it's funny you said that and it's just kinda reminded me of a of a passage from Pee Wee's. Yeah. Yeah. With our with our interview Rich Cohen today. 00:35:10.130 --> 00:35:14.130 Yeah. Yeah. Very good stuff. It's very It's actually on Avery. Interesting. 00:35:14.210 --> 00:35:15.490 Yeah. Totally interesting. 00:35:15.490 --> 00:35:16.770 Yeah. Yeah. You know? 00:35:29.370 --> 00:35:47.235 Alright, everybody. Welcome to our next guest on the Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast. We have the one and only Rich Cohen, author of Pee Wee's Confessions of a Hockey Parent. I know a ton of you out there have read the book, myself included, Jamie included, and we couldn't be more thrilled to have you on, Rich. Thanks so much for joining us. 00:35:47.235 --> 00:35:48.195 Yeah. Thanks for having 00:35:48.195 --> 00:35:50.275 me. Our pleasure. 00:35:51.955 --> 00:36:01.300 So I'm curious, Rich. Tell us, like, what you're doing today, kinda how you started writing Pee Wee's, and then we'll dive into you as a kid and you as a player. 00:36:01.940 --> 00:36:31.730 I well, I'm not a, you know, a hockey writer, obviously. I I'm a nonfiction writer mostly. I've written a lot of books about all different subjects, And the only thing that unites them is there's something I was just super, super interested in exploring and writing about and thought was good material. The reason I wrote Pee Weeze is because when I was that that those couple of seasons, it was so intense. I haven't cared about anything that deeply since I was, like, 15 years old. 00:36:31.730 --> 00:36:44.935 You know? I was trying to get a girl to go with me to the prom. I mean, it was like the experience was so intense. I'm like, this is the most intense thing happening in my life right now. This is the richest material in my life, and this is what I wanna write about. 00:36:45.175 --> 00:36:59.750 I should say the book is called Pee Wee's. When I sold it to my editor, it was first called Squirts. Oh. About the squirt season. But as I was starting to get ready to write it, the pee wee season was unfolding, and I'm like, the pee wee season was nuts, man. 00:36:59.750 --> 00:37:27.070 Is like and it was it was I I thought I ended up thinking it was super interesting because when you write something, usually, you have a lot of things, information, but you haven't processed. You haven't thought about what it means. When you write about it, you start thinking about it, and it felt like a microcosm of everything right and everything wrong about America at that time. And one thing that was super interesting, which is why I started the book with the cars in the parking lot, is there's this huge mix of different economic status. Some people are very successful. 00:37:27.070 --> 00:37:32.510 Some people are just hanging on. Some people are coming to pick up trucks. Some people come in, a, you know, a Tesla. 00:37:32.510 --> 00:37:34.990 Ferrari. Yeah. Yeah. What the hell's 00:37:34.990 --> 00:38:04.705 car is that? I saw a guy pull up at a hockey rink in Darien, Connecticut, like, a in a clown car, like a like a funny car from, like, the demolition derby where the top comes up like that. So, anyway, it was just and I was I cared way too much about it, and I made every single emotional mistake that a parent can make. Even though I knew it was a mistake, I couldn't help myself. It was like a Jacqueline Hyde kind of thing. 00:38:05.025 --> 00:38:07.745 We know all about them. Totally get that. 00:38:07.745 --> 00:38:16.305 I mean, sometimes I drive by the rink still because I live right near the rink, and I sort of get a cold shiver as I go by, and I think of all the good and bad things that happen in that rink. 00:38:16.385 --> 00:38:17.665 Do you miss it? I'm curious. 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:36.665 I do miss it. First of all, I hate the you know, I grew up playing hockey, and I grew up in a very cold place, but I hate the winter. I hate being cold. And for and it's dark, and it's cold, and the days are short. And my son's hockey life gave the winter a meaning, man. 00:38:36.665 --> 00:38:48.345 It made me look forward to the winter, and it carried me through the winter, organized the winter. You know? So it made life in winter much better and more and more interesting. So I I do miss it. 00:38:49.160 --> 00:39:16.175 That that that makes so much sense. And though and just putting it that way, like, it's like, yeah. That's a that's so spot on. And, you know, I'm I'm just wondering, and I'm I'm I'm thinking about my own childhood and when I would play and go to the pond, and we'd go there right after school just so you get as much daylight before the, you know, the sun went down. And, you know, the for you, when did well, I you know, we're gonna jump around a little bit because we wanna hear about, like, you know, your own hockey playing history. 00:39:16.175 --> 00:39:22.810 But since we're talking about your son at the moment, when when did he start playing? Like, how many years of hockey did you have under your belt with him? 00:39:23.770 --> 00:39:44.075 Well, it's funny because it might we I have four sons. And Okay. We have a big gap. I say, second family, first wife. There's a gap between there's, like, a a eight year gap between our our actually, when when our youngest who's 10 years old was born, the other the next youngest one asked him, are you still the youngest? 00:39:44.715 --> 00:39:47.355 And I said, you'll always be the youngest of group a. 00:39:49.680 --> 00:39:51.920 So but but, basically, 00:39:51.920 --> 00:40:07.465 our my old when we moved I moved from the city where I've been working in magazines to Connecticut. I live right down the road from a rink. I started playing adult hockey. And my oldest son, I really tried to get him involved in hockey. I coached, and I was trying to get him to do stuff. 00:40:07.465 --> 00:40:21.070 And it was just like I don't if you ever seen this Sylvester cartoon where they try to get a cat to take a bath. It was just freaking impossible. Like, come on. You know? And I was on the ice with him sometimes as a little kid, and I would get really mad. 00:40:21.390 --> 00:40:34.885 I would get mad at him. Like and I remember once before they had goal before they had goalies, you know, like, the youngest year Yeah. He was standing around where the goal would be. And I said, what were you doing? You're just standing there. 00:40:34.885 --> 00:40:37.845 He said, I was protecting. I was like, what were you protecting? Protecting what? 00:40:37.845 --> 00:40:42.325 You said in the book. That was in their book. Yeah. You said in the book. Yeah. 00:40:42.325 --> 00:40:43.045 I remember that. 00:40:43.045 --> 00:41:00.620 Base I gave up. It was like, this is not working. You got and so I sort of put all the stuff in the garage, and then our our youngest of group a, he said he wanted to play hockey. And I said, well, the stuff's in the garage, and I completely ignored him. And this is in the book, which is he started to play, and I wasn't really paying attention at all. 00:41:00.620 --> 00:41:10.245 I thought, you know? And then one day, I went to pick him up, and he was late. So I went inside, and there was some kid, like, skating through everybody, making an unbelievable play. And I said, well, how's that? I'm like, that's my kid. 00:41:10.885 --> 00:41:13.780 That was Micah. Right? That was Micah. Yeah. 00:41:13.780 --> 00:41:20.580 And I was like, wow. I and I got excited. It was like, okay. Now I have I'm like an agent. Now I have something I can work with. 00:41:20.580 --> 00:41:21.060 You know? 00:41:21.060 --> 00:41:23.060 Sucked it sucked you back in. Yeah. 00:41:23.300 --> 00:41:29.465 Yeah. He was like five or four or five. I he was like, whatever the thing is before mites, you know, whatever they call it. 00:41:29.465 --> 00:41:32.265 Yeah. It's like a yeah. Like mini mites or whatever they call it. 00:41:32.265 --> 00:41:34.025 Yeah. Yeah. Learned to play or whatever. 00:41:34.025 --> 00:41:34.905 Yeah. Right. Whatever it is. 00:41:34.905 --> 00:41:52.430 And then he played mites, and then he played there was, like, a travel team for mites, which was ridiculous. So and then they started dividing them up, you know, and and all these different things. And the divisions when he were were arbitrary. I thought the divisions were based on the parents' friend groups. You know? 00:41:52.430 --> 00:42:17.350 Like, I would see kids not make a teen because they didn't like the mother and didn't wanna hang out with her, and I got it. You know? I understood it at a at a social level, but so there were some kids that were really, really good on the wrong team. Not my kid. And it kinda was really weird because it you know, hockey, you start to realize when you watch it as a parent, you see it in a different way, and you realize how important it is to play with kids at the same level. 00:42:17.350 --> 00:42:35.195 It's like musicians playing with musicians who can play. You bat you'd be you'd be a team with a bunch of mediocre players almost would beat a team with one really good player and a bunch of mediocre players and one really bad player because they couldn't play together. They were all at different speeds. Never they didn't couldn't pass to each other. You know? 00:42:35.595 --> 00:42:56.255 So it was interesting because it made me even though one thing I like about hockey is a sport for kids. I always thought it's still recognizably hockey at every single level. Like, I could see an NHL game and a kids game, and I still recognize it as the same sport. When you see kids playing football, it's not the same sport. Something different. 00:42:56.255 --> 00:43:04.495 Right. You know? Right. And even baseball is kinda not quite the same sport, but hockey is hockey all the way through. Interesting. 00:43:04.575 --> 00:43:15.940 Alright. Yeah. So I'm I'm curious. So let's jump back to you as a kid and how you fell in love with the sport. So tell us about, like, your where you where you started, what age, and where you finished. 00:43:16.500 --> 00:43:20.500 Well, you said that you played hockey in the nineties. Is that right? 00:43:20.500 --> 00:43:21.620 He did. Because I did. 00:43:21.785 --> 00:43:23.225 I I did. I never played. 00:43:23.225 --> 00:43:35.865 He did. This is a sign of my age. I was playing in the seventies. '79. I started So, in the by the way, just like my son, I I had a I was on a team, a MITE hockey team that won the state championship. 00:43:36.380 --> 00:43:57.065 And we have the picture. I have the picture still of the team, and I look like I'm about to cry, okay, in the picture. And I know why. I still remember why, which is the kid the shortest kid on the team went on the left, and the second shortest one on the right on the bottom row. And the coach looked at both me and this kid that I thought was shorter than me and said to me, you you're the shortest. 00:43:57.305 --> 00:44:02.425 You go to the left. You go to the right. And in the picture, I look like I'm gonna cry, and he looks like he just won the lottery. 00:44:05.430 --> 00:44:06.790 So Unvoiding. 00:44:06.870 --> 00:44:32.195 In in Illinois. And my brother I have a big brother, and he started playing just think my dad knew nothing about hockey, which was an advantage because my dad was a basketball coach. And if you wanted to play any kind of basketball, he would coach you and drive you crazy and hide one arm from the back and make you run wind sprints and shoot from one exact spot and teach you how to shoot a hook shot and come to the game and yell at you and all that stuff. 00:44:32.195 --> 00:44:33.075 But hockey, he's like, I 00:44:33.075 --> 00:44:38.900 don't even know. And then also, he was separated by glass. You know, he couldn't get at you. He couldn't yell at you. You couldn't hear him. 00:44:39.140 --> 00:44:48.100 I would say my dad only came to one hockey game in my whole life, and he yelled at that game when I got knocked down. Get up. You're not hurt. That was the extent of his his vomit. 00:44:48.180 --> 00:44:48.740 Alright. 00:44:48.740 --> 00:44:56.005 So my I just started going to the rain. There was nothing to do. It was in Illinois. Hockey was a smaller sport in America. Not as many kids played. 00:44:56.085 --> 00:45:15.120 We had travel hockey because you had to travel to play other kids that were serious about it. We had a house league, which was really good. The house league isn't vibrant like it was. The house league was really good, but then you travel. And when I grew up, we still had the rink that we were on was an outdoor rink originally, and it had didn't have glass. 00:45:15.120 --> 00:45:26.445 It had still had a chain link fence. They put the glass Yeah. The first, a chain link fence. You wore half masks, like shields. In Spring League, we didn't wear masks. 00:45:26.445 --> 00:45:28.445 Played without masks. Oh, wow. Wow. 00:45:28.445 --> 00:45:28.845 And I'm not 00:45:28.925 --> 00:45:37.500 I mean, I'm 57. And we had mouth guards, exterior mouthguards. I don't if you've ever seen them. But they would go on the outside of your face. And Okay. 00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:49.125 One of the things, they had this little notch in them, and you'd always stick your tongue through it because you kind of felt the texture. My brother doing that bit his tongue in half during a hockey game. No. And they didn't even pull the whistle. 00:45:49.525 --> 00:45:52.965 He just He just ushered him off to the bench. Yeah. 00:45:52.965 --> 00:45:53.685 He's like, kind of like 00:45:55.205 --> 00:45:56.325 he came off, he took him 00:45:56.325 --> 00:45:58.325 to the hospital, and they stitched his tongue back on. 00:45:58.325 --> 00:46:02.350 No way. That's unbelievable. 00:46:02.430 --> 00:46:18.885 He would go to the rink. I was a little brother. I would go with him, and I was with the other little brothers, and we would play, you know, hockey with tape balls in the locker room. Like, that was my best sport, probably, tape ball hockey. And then whenever they would I was five years younger, where they sometimes they would need an extra body. 00:46:19.045 --> 00:46:42.300 I would probably like the young Tony Espisode or something. You know? I would get pulled out and thrown out on the ice with these older kids, and and I started playing, you know, in that way, just getting picked up and pulled into games all the time. And I remember when my bro my brother actually taught me to skate. I think this is in the book too, which is I went out on the ice, and I was, like, kinda skating on my ankles. 00:46:43.235 --> 00:47:04.480 Right? And my brother knew the guy who did the zamboni, and I had this fear of the zamboni was gonna run me over. It's on my biggest fears. So my brother got the guy in the zamboni to actually take the zamboni out and kinda ride behind me, and I got so scared that I immediately got up and was like a rocket. My name Figured it was rocket because of Maurice Richard. 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:18.985 My name is Richard. Yeah. But also because I was so fast, especially on that occasion because of fear. So for me, the love of hockey has always also been associated with the fear of death, you know, getting run over by the Zamboni. And and then I just started playing. 00:47:18.985 --> 00:47:33.940 It was deer the Deerfield Falcons in in Suburban Illinois. Yeah. And that's where, you know, I played and whatever. I just played one way or another up until I went to went through high school and in college. I actually played a year in college. 00:47:33.940 --> 00:47:47.985 I didn't play. I went to Tulane, so there's no hockey. Actually, it's interesting because I wanted to play club hockey at Tulane, and they said there was club hockey, and there was a rink. And when I got there, they said the rink had been destroyed over the summer by a hurricane. Oh. 00:47:48.385 --> 00:47:49.265 Oh, thought you 00:47:49.265 --> 00:47:49.905 were gonna say. 00:47:49.905 --> 00:48:03.890 Later, my son, who didn't go to Tulane, was applying, and he asked if they had any hockey, and they said yes. And then later, he he didn't go there. He heard that the rink had been destroyed over the summer in a hurricane. So I think that that's what they tell all the kids from the Northeast and the Midwest. Yeah. 00:48:04.370 --> 00:48:07.890 Oh, it that funny. They they told you both the same thing. Yes. 00:48:07.890 --> 00:48:39.405 That there was a rink, and the rink was destroyed in a hurricane. But I went I went abroad to Oxford, England, like, an abroad program, and they had open tryouts for the Oxford hockey team. And me and this other kid who went to Denison, who's really good, we went and tried out thinking we were gonna be, like, the best hockey players because they are kids from England who don't play hockey. They play soccer or rugby or whatever. But, of course, we got there, and they were all Rhodes scholars from Canada or whatever who were Oh. 00:48:39.485 --> 00:48:46.925 Division one hockey players who were in graduate school. And that was, like, the best hockey players I'd ever played with. 00:48:47.245 --> 00:48:47.885 Wow. 00:48:48.630 --> 00:48:57.030 And it was really fun and really cool to play there, but it was, like, the game beyond my where I could keep up with them. They were just, you know, whole different level. 00:48:57.110 --> 00:48:59.910 But you were on the team. You were on that Oxford team. Yeah. I got the 00:48:59.910 --> 00:49:13.835 jersey, man. I got the jersey, and Brad Blow had a movie out called Oxford Blues, and it was very cool. And it was it was, like, 4AM. You gotta wake up with your bag and walk through Oxford in the dark and go play. It was very cool. 00:49:13.835 --> 00:49:14.155 It was very 00:49:14.315 --> 00:49:26.410 It was like a badge of honor. Yeah. Yeah. So, like I mean So after so did you stay connected to the game, like, in between, like, when you when you kinda, like, hung it up, if you will, and then, like, fast forward to when you had 00:49:26.410 --> 00:49:36.525 kids Because the old time, my brother's older than me. He came to New York. Yeah. He had basically joined an adult league hockey team and then somehow took the team over. Okay? 00:49:36.525 --> 00:49:55.650 And the team was my brother worked worked at the US attorney's office in New York. But the team was a district attorney's office, and somehow he got on that. These are not connected. And then he through the force of will, personality, maybe some degree of bullying, he took over the team. So he brought me out of that team. 00:49:56.050 --> 00:49:57.010 Nice. And 00:49:58.155 --> 00:50:12.555 there's actually a guy who you should have on who has a a hockey book coming out called Nick Palmgarten. Okay. He was on that team, like, at the end. I was I'm older. I was on at the beginning, and at the very end do you guys know who another writer is named Ben McGrath? 00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:18.140 He wrote Oh, no. He He writes to the New Yorker, but he I brought him out of the team. 00:50:18.140 --> 00:50:19.580 That sounds familiar, Ben McGrath. 00:50:19.580 --> 00:50:38.085 He was he played, like he was a good hockey player, but he was, like, fifteen years younger than everybody. So he was like, we brought him onto the team, and we won the championship because of him. And at that point, I basically hung it up because, first of all, the games were sometimes this is in New York at Chelsea Pierce. Right? 00:50:38.085 --> 00:50:38.645 Yeah. 00:50:38.725 --> 00:50:41.685 So sometimes the games are, like, at a like, midnight. 00:50:42.130 --> 00:50:42.930 Yeah. I'm telling 00:50:42.930 --> 00:50:50.930 you. So you get home, like, at three in the morning. Okay. That was bad enough. Then my brother was using me as an example of what not to do. 00:50:51.330 --> 00:50:51.810 Okay? 00:50:51.810 --> 00:50:52.850 So he was 00:50:53.010 --> 00:50:59.755 blaming me for he's like, well, you see what my brother did? My brother totally messed that up. Do not do that. Okay? Or I would like, look what he's doing. 00:50:59.755 --> 00:51:08.635 He's not even hustling. Look at look at my brother. He doesn't even work. So I would get home, like, at three in the morning. I was really pissed, man. 00:51:08.635 --> 00:51:14.620 I would come over there. Just damn it. You know? Like, my and so then I couldn't fall asleep till, like, six in the morning. So Yeah. 00:51:14.620 --> 00:51:32.075 It took me, like, a week to recover. Like, I was I had to hold it all nighter, and I was angry. Angry a lot. So and then I saw this great thing, and and it's in the book because it's one of the greatest things I saw in my life, which is we were in a game. It's, like, one in the morning, and a guy a guy on our team got a penalty, rightly, tripped somebody. 00:51:32.075 --> 00:51:45.870 They sent him into the box, and he's screaming at the ref. It's one in the morning, screaming at the ref. It's totally cocky. And he says, you're a disgrace to that uniform. And the ref skates over and very calmly says, it's one in the morning, and I'm refing you idiots. 00:51:45.870 --> 00:51:49.390 I'm a disgrace alright, and it has nothing to do with this uniform. 00:51:52.705 --> 00:51:54.545 When you wrote that in the book, I almost so fell 00:51:54.945 --> 00:51:57.585 sorry. I'm so sorry I said that. I'm such an asshole. 00:51:59.665 --> 00:52:10.600 That's one of the best stories, by the way, in your book. That that the screen story is phenomenal. I'm I'm curious. So alright. So now when did you stop playing men's league? 00:52:10.600 --> 00:52:14.440 I'm curious. So that was men's league in, like, Manhattan. Did you play men's league when you moved to Connecticut? 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:26.675 I did. You did? I did for a bit, but it was I I I didn't like it because it was Sunday night. Okay? I love to watch a Sunday night NFL game. 00:52:26.675 --> 00:52:35.875 It's one of my favorite things. It was always the best game. I don't know if it's still is, so I'd miss that game. And then I I feel like there's a bear in my backyard. Hold on. 00:52:35.875 --> 00:52:37.610 Oh. It's Does that happen? 00:52:37.610 --> 00:52:50.810 I don't know. It's my kid doing lawn work. Okay. So Which is good. So, you know, I don't know about you, but I I can't play hockey once a week because every time I haven't played in a while, I get really sore when I play. 00:52:51.125 --> 00:52:51.365 Yeah. 00:52:51.365 --> 00:53:04.330 Sure. And then by the time it's like breaking in your arm at the beginning of the baseball season. And then a week goes by, and I get I have to go through it all again. I need to play if I'm gonna play, I need to play at least twice, and I wasn't playing enough. And then the it was whatever. 00:53:04.330 --> 00:53:22.125 It was just too much, and then I got older. And then one of the one of the great things I saw in that league, though, is there was a guy who was really, really, really, really, really overweight. Okay? And he somebody brought him. And he skates around. 00:53:22.125 --> 00:53:32.750 He comes off the ice, and he looks like he's gonna have a heart attack. And the guy who brought him turns to him. Meanest thing I've ever seen him say is, would you consider this a warning sign? 00:53:34.270 --> 00:53:35.790 Oh my god. 00:53:39.950 --> 00:53:41.470 That's unreal. 00:53:41.870 --> 00:53:57.605 And then there was another thing in that league where I remember somebody did something to me I didn't like, and I thought, I'm gonna catch that person and do something to him. I'm definitely much faster than this person. And I skated as hard as I probably had in twenty years. I caught him. I thought, now I'm here, but I'm too tired to do anything. 00:53:57.605 --> 00:53:58.245 I have to go to 00:53:58.245 --> 00:53:58.725 the bench now 00:53:58.725 --> 00:53:59.285 and sit down. 00:54:04.510 --> 00:54:08.830 Oh, that's been so that was the beginning of the end of of the men's league career. Right? 00:54:08.830 --> 00:54:22.065 Yeah. And then the guy who was my friend who was running it died. So it's a sad thing. That's the other thing. I'll tell you one more really funny thing about the first time I played in that men's league, afterwards, go, we all go out to this bar called the Ancient Mariner. 00:54:22.065 --> 00:54:31.150 This is Ridgefield, Connecticut, and get a beer. You should come over there. So I go over there. There's and I go sit down with some of the guys, and they're really not friendly at all. Like, I'm talking to them. 00:54:31.150 --> 00:54:38.670 They look creeped out by me. They're not talking to me. And then my friend comes in and he goes, hey, Rich. What are you doing? Those guys aren't with us. 00:54:39.310 --> 00:54:40.110 You were talking. 00:54:44.825 --> 00:54:49.465 Just two random dudes getting into here, and I sit down and started talking to them. 00:54:50.105 --> 00:54:52.265 Thinking they're on the team. That's fantastic. I 00:54:52.585 --> 00:54:55.305 do ride. They're all in helmets. I'd never met any of them before. 00:54:56.105 --> 00:55:22.295 That was So I have I have a story that is hockey related, although it wasn't me. But a friend and we're going back, I don't know, must have been like, call it ten years ago or so. And he's from Australia and fought in the special forces over in Australia and was, you know, living in in New York. And he and a bunch of his buddies had gone out for some Australian festival. Don't know. 00:55:22.295 --> 00:55:44.025 Was like Anzac's Day, I think, is maybe the thing or what I don't even I don't even know if it was that. The that doesn't even matter. The point is that they're at a bar, and they're just, like, you know, talking. They're all in their uniforms and, like, blah blah blah. And not in, like, the combat uniforms, but they're, like, whatever you call the the nice gear they you know, nice attire they wear when they're out and, you know, in as a marine or whatever. 00:55:44.025 --> 00:55:44.585 On their dress. 00:55:44.585 --> 00:55:46.585 Their dress. Their dress. Yeah. 00:55:46.585 --> 00:55:53.225 Sure. Their dress. And so they're at a bar, and they're all having a good time. But they're, you know, they're a bunch of, like, you know, special forces Australian men. You know? 00:55:53.385 --> 00:56:06.690 And they started talking to some guys at the bar. And the the one guy, you know, they were asking him like, oh, like, what what do you do? You know? And it was it was clear what they these guys did. But like, what do you what do you do? 00:56:06.690 --> 00:56:18.025 And and the guy's like, oh, I'm I'm the captain of the rangers. And but but but these Australian guys were rangers. 00:56:18.425 --> 00:56:18.745 Right. 00:56:18.745 --> 00:56:28.310 And they were thought this guy was saying talking about hockey? Yeah. No idea. And they were ready to murder. I I don't I don't I forget who it was. 00:56:28.310 --> 00:56:38.745 Like, maybe it was McDonough. I I don't know. I I don't but the point was is, like, in the case telling me the story in his in his Australian accent, like, how him and his boys are ready to, like, put a beat down on this guy. And he's like, no. No. 00:56:38.745 --> 00:56:42.425 No. No. No. The New York Rangers, I play ice hockey. I'm the captain of the Rangers. 00:56:42.425 --> 00:56:45.305 Right. And they thought they were try you know? It was, like, really funny. Actually, 00:56:45.785 --> 00:56:50.745 I think that the original the re reason the Rangers are called the Rangers is the guy who started the team was a Texas Ranger. 00:56:51.310 --> 00:56:52.590 I think no way. 00:56:52.670 --> 00:56:53.710 Oh, I didn't know that. 00:56:53.710 --> 00:57:00.110 There is a connection. It's not I mean, it's weird that there's a team in New York called the Rangers, but I think the first guy founded the team was a Ranger. 00:57:00.590 --> 00:57:01.470 How about that? 00:57:01.470 --> 00:57:03.790 I didn't know that either. That's awesome. I didn't realize that. 00:57:04.085 --> 00:57:05.685 You learn something new every day. 00:57:05.685 --> 00:57:06.805 Yeah. You're not kidding. 00:57:06.805 --> 00:57:10.085 As a you know, grew up as a Blackhawks fan, but when I moved to New York 00:57:10.485 --> 00:57:10.965 Oh, sure. 00:57:11.045 --> 00:57:19.480 It was just as they were putting that team together, and it was so exciting watching that team. And so I became a Rangers fan as a result watching. 00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:20.440 Still today? 00:57:21.720 --> 00:57:35.195 I mean, they're, like, my second team. My first team is the Blackhawks. But, you know, when I go see it but the Rangers, again, it's like, this Knicks are playing in the finals right now, and they're like I don't know if you looked at the StubHub, but there's seats for $200,000. 00:57:35.195 --> 00:57:36.875 Yeah. They're going for huge Yeah. 00:57:37.595 --> 00:57:49.020 It's gross. So, like, if I say, like, you go to get a beer and take a leak, and you just spent $30,000 of your money doing You know? So but 00:57:49.020 --> 00:57:49.180 I 00:57:49.180 --> 00:58:00.140 I think, like so the Rangers, it's too bad for, like, my kid. Like, I can't really bring my kid to a Rangers game because it's too expensive. And the games end too you know? If I bring him to a game, I'm more likely to bring I just brought him to an Islanders game. 00:58:00.725 --> 00:58:01.605 Oh, that's good. 00:58:01.605 --> 00:58:06.325 Yeah. Actually, I was kinda hoping the Islanders would make the playoffs because we watch them. That's a good team, and I like them. 00:58:06.405 --> 00:58:07.445 Yeah. They're exciting. 00:58:07.445 --> 00:58:08.325 Good young team. 00:58:08.325 --> 00:58:09.845 I mean, they got a lot to look forward to. 00:58:09.925 --> 00:58:17.760 Yeah. Similar to the Blackhawks, the young players, you know, Bedard and you know? I would think if they start building around him, the Blackhawks will be real good. 00:58:18.240 --> 00:58:27.520 Yeah. I think Nasar is player. Happen if we have it here, which is talking about hockey is that I don't have it here. Dennis Hall just died. I thought I had his card. 00:58:27.520 --> 00:58:28.400 You know, Dennis Hall? 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:29.600 I saw that. Yeah. 00:58:30.115 --> 00:58:52.260 So when I was a kid, I I had his hockey card, I guess. I grew up I was born in 1968, so, like, the mid seventies were kinda like now. And everything was kinda seemed like it was falling apart, and everything sort of sucked. And we kinda got the backside of everything, sort of felt like. So, like, five years earlier, they had Bobby Hall. 00:58:52.340 --> 00:59:18.740 And by the time I showed up, we had Dennis Hall. Now Dennis Hall was great, but he wasn't Bobby Hall, man. And it was like the Blackhawks, first of all, in that era, which people don't really realize, it's like when they played without helmets, it was great. You really identified with those players. And I remember the first black hawks game, I saw a friend of a friend of mine's father took me down, you could see where they came up onto the ice. 00:59:18.900 --> 00:59:25.540 And the black hawks in the old Chicago Stadium, the locker rooms were under the rink. Do know that? So they'd come up a flight of stairs. 00:59:25.540 --> 00:59:25.940 Stairs. 00:59:25.940 --> 00:59:45.080 Yeah. So when they introduced him, and this is, like, Dennis Hull, Tony Esposito, Keith Magnuson, Stan Makita, Cliff Coral. I can remember a lot of them. Pitt Martin, I think. It was like they were ascending from the depths of hell. 00:59:45.080 --> 00:59:47.720 That's what it seemed like. Because they're like, you know? 00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:49.560 Right. Coming up the stairs. Yeah. 00:59:49.640 --> 01:00:07.535 Between periods, they were all sweaty and bloody, and it was like they're going back down into hell. So it made hockey super, super, super exciting. And, anyway, just very different now, obviously. It's much better game probably, but it's something something of the the storybook quality of it's not quite the same. 01:00:07.990 --> 01:00:23.270 It's definitely changed. That's for sure. You know, this the skill that's there today and, you know, the guys that the guys that that couldn't escape back then that would make the league for fighting, you know, I don't think that's a thing anymore. I think, you know, I think you have to have a lot of skill to play in today's game. Right? 01:00:23.415 --> 01:00:26.855 Yeah. But that's just recent. I feel like that's not the premier 01:00:27.095 --> 01:00:27.415 Yeah. 01:00:27.495 --> 01:00:37.655 Where they changed the rules. They opened the game up. So Yeah. Can't afford to carry a guy who can't skate. It's just, like, waste of a roster spot. 01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:42.760 You actually know a guy who can fight and skate. You can have that right. 01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:43.640 Yeah. Yeah. 01:00:43.640 --> 01:00:52.575 Which is hard to find. You know? That's I mean, it's it's it's it's it's definitely interesting. I wonder if they're doing that for marketing purposes. You know, the game is they're changing the game to be more of a skill game. 01:00:52.575 --> 01:01:05.140 More goals, more butts in the seats, you know, similar to, like, more home runs, more butts in the seats for home runs Yeah. In baseball. That's that was I was always curious if they're kinda changing the game to try to make it more appealing to the masses. I don't know. 01:01:05.140 --> 01:01:17.780 If sometimes you get to, like, the playoffs and you like, I remember watching the Rangers with McDonough when he was on the Rangers, and it was like, how is this team ever gonna score a goal? You know, you it's like become like a soccer match. It'd be like nobody can score. 01:01:19.425 --> 01:01:20.865 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 01:01:20.865 --> 01:01:30.465 And now very frustrating too. It's like and sports is the only thing where you can invest four hours of your time, and at the end of it, you're gonna feel terrible. 01:01:31.010 --> 01:01:32.690 You know? It's true. 01:01:32.850 --> 01:01:40.210 You never watch a movie where you're gonna pay you and gonna spend all this time, and at the end it, it's just gonna kill all your favorite characters, and you're gonna go home pissed off. And that's how 01:01:41.730 --> 01:01:46.775 Totally. Think about season ticket holders to the Rangers this past season. What the start that they got off to. Lord. 01:01:46.775 --> 01:01:52.535 Oh my goodness. Yeah. My goodness. Want me to go? 01:01:52.775 --> 01:01:53.415 You go. 01:01:53.495 --> 01:02:07.850 You go. I'm just curious. What made you I mean, obviously, you said when you started writing Pee Wee's, you were just kind of writing because that was your world at the time. And I'm just curious. Were you worried you were gonna, like, piss anybody off on the team? 01:02:07.850 --> 01:02:09.770 Because I'm sure they all read it. Right? 01:02:09.770 --> 01:02:10.090 Yes. 01:02:10.090 --> 01:02:10.410 I mean 01:02:10.730 --> 01:02:28.145 Well, I was worried. I was mostly worried that I was gonna make my kids' life hell, honestly. They're gonna be pissed off at him. And I had this plan anyway, I had this plan of him ascending out of our town into the triple a ranks anyway, so we'd be gone. I did, of course, worry about pissing people off. 01:02:28.145 --> 01:02:41.440 I tried to disguise everybody. And, you know, it's like I didn't tell everything that happened. You know? Sure. And it's like a blues song. 01:02:41.440 --> 01:03:04.460 I'll tell you, but I won't tell you everything I know. You know? So, yeah, it's always thing to think about nonfiction, which is, you know, you're you're always worried about pissing people off. But I would think I always thought that even people that might be pissed off about this book when they read it the first time, they would come to appreciate it. You know? 01:03:04.460 --> 01:03:30.280 And they would realize that the good heartedness behind it. And they and it's not a mean book, and it doesn't tell anything like gossip about people, people's purr there's none of that. And I would think that over time, when they're especially when they're kids because none of these kids are gonna be playing division one hockey or anything like that. And over time, they would sort of be happy that the season that we lived through had been in some way preserved. You know what I mean? 01:03:30.600 --> 01:03:30.920 Yeah. 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:50.505 Yeah. Wouldn't it be cool if your kid was on that team to be able to show a book when to your kids, say, was on this team, and a guy wrote a book about it? Mean, would that be kinda cool? That's right. I kinda thought that it would be preserved, and even the people that might have seen it differently or not love everything in the book would ultimately come to realize it's kinda cool that this book exists. 01:03:51.145 --> 01:03:56.665 Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I feel like we when we started this podcast, we had a very similar feeling. You know? 01:03:57.230 --> 01:04:16.415 So we tread lightly as well, you know, about what we we we talk a lot about our own kids and and, you know, in our own situations and what what we're doing. You know? And we leave people out and stuff like that and and parents out and funny stories. Sometimes make it in, sometimes don't. Sometimes they get changed a little bit, you know, but we're in a very we're in a very similar situation. 01:04:16.415 --> 01:04:16.575 Yeah. 01:04:16.575 --> 01:04:19.775 You know, you you just did it before us, and you put it on paper. You know? 01:04:19.775 --> 01:04:33.880 And I also have the ability to, you know, you we I have to rewrite and to edit, which you guys don't as much. You know? So Right. Like, I can show this to my wife, and she can say, what are you Nazi can't put this in there. You gotta get rid of this. 01:04:34.120 --> 01:04:45.255 So You know? It's funny you say that because I had a question, and one of my questions was, what didn't make it into the book that you wish did? That was one of my questions that I wrote down for you. 01:04:45.815 --> 01:04:52.375 I don't I you know what? It's this is the thing about a book like this, which is it's can't remember what I did put in it and what I didn't put in it. 01:04:52.375 --> 01:04:52.535 You know 01:04:52.535 --> 01:05:25.630 what I mean? Like, it's hard to remember, you know, you get so the the crazy thing about being a hockey parent is you can be I'm a little bit older. Now I'm a bunch older. I'm not one of the super young parents. And I've seen sports parents as a person playing hockey and as somebody going to games, And I would laugh at those people, and I would pity those people, and I would not understand those people, and I would judge those people. 01:05:25.630 --> 01:05:53.000 And as soon as my kid was playing, I acted exactly the same way. And what's worse is I knew that it was stupid, and I knew that it was wrong, but I couldn't help myself. I just couldn't help it. It was like and there's a thing you don't understand, which is if you're if you're a hockey fan and you're a fan of, like, the Rangers, and the Rangers score and Marc Messier scores a goal against the New Jersey Devils in game six in 1994. Okay? 01:05:53.480 --> 01:06:03.055 You think that's the most exciting thing you can ever see. When your kid scores, it's 10 times more exciting than that. Right. It's completely messed up. It's like a biological thing. 01:06:03.055 --> 01:06:16.680 It's the most exciting thing in the world. It's more exciting than when you're a kid and you score. More exciting is when you see your kid score. It's like unbelievable thing. And then once that just becomes addictive, and then you're at every game. 01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:33.815 They're playing a meaningless game at six in the morning, and you're there. You're there, you know, to watch it and to judge it and everything else. So I think that the book, you know, it says a lot of things about a lot of people, but I think it's most critical of of myself. So Yeah. You know? 01:06:33.815 --> 01:06:43.870 And it's true. It's like it it's true. And it's funny. Like, my father, like I said, was a basketball coach, and he's 93. Okay? 01:06:43.870 --> 01:06:44.430 He's 93 01:06:44.430 --> 01:06:44.990 years I 01:06:45.550 --> 01:06:59.035 took him to my son's, like, middle school basketball game being coached by high school kids. And the t it's not serious, and the kids are not good. The score was, like, 15 to 13. You know? It's like that 01:06:59.035 --> 01:07:03.915 kind of game. After the game Princeton offense. 01:07:04.075 --> 01:07:08.635 Right. After the game, my dad, who's, like, at this point, like, 83 01:07:08.635 --> 01:07:08.875 Mhmm. 01:07:08.875 --> 01:07:14.630 Says to me, do you mind if I have a word with the coaches? Yes. I do mind. 01:07:14.630 --> 01:07:22.470 Yes. Don't do that. Please, god. Don't do that. I would have loved to have heard what he what he was said to them, by way. 01:07:22.470 --> 01:07:25.270 Totally. I would have loved to have heard what he was said. 01:07:26.285 --> 01:07:35.405 But Just if they weren't high school kids, I think it would have scared the crap out of them. If they were, like, in their twenties, maybe would have said go ahead, but they were, like, 17 years old. 01:07:35.805 --> 01:08:12.790 Wow. You know what's so so interesting and, like, with, like, the stories that you're telling, what we're talking about right now and then also in the book, like, how like, the the emotional investment is, like, so often, like, disproportionate to, like, what the kids themselves are experiencing. You know? And I think that's just, like, a fascinating thing to kinda, like, really, you know, give some thought to and, like you know, because here we are, you know, just, like and and, you know, for some re you know, we talk about this on the pod, like, you know, why is that sometimes? And, like, of course, part of it's, like, maybe I'm trying to, you know, relive things through my kids. 01:08:13.270 --> 01:08:27.775 Part of it is nowadays, it's so expensive. Like, I I want my ROI on this one. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But, like, it's it's just it's it's really it's it's a fascinating thing because, like, they're you know, the kids, like, at certain ages, they're just so young and just doing their thing. 01:08:27.775 --> 01:08:32.095 And like you said, like, you're you're judging parents, and then you become that parent. And 01:08:32.095 --> 01:08:32.735 it's Yeah. 01:08:32.735 --> 01:08:38.960 It's just like, you know, just to to really stop and think about that is a pretty wild it's a wild thing. Right? 01:08:39.520 --> 01:09:10.890 Well, also, I realized this thing, which I'd always heard that the reason sports parents are the problem with sport parents is that they're trying to live through their kids. Right? They're trying to and often, it's like the Mickey Mantle thing, k, which is, like, Mickey Mantle's father pushed Mickey Mantle because Mickey Mantle himself didn't succeed. He played minor league baseball, and he wanted his son to to do what he had never been able to do. He was having his son live his dream vicariously. 01:09:11.050 --> 01:09:26.075 Mhmm. And so I thought that that's what that's what it is. I thought that it's, like, mostly gonna be parents who played, who got to a certain level and weren't very good and now pushing their kids. And I found that that wasn't the case. First of all, a lot of the people weren't didn't play hockey. 01:09:26.075 --> 01:10:01.730 A lot of them never played, and a lot of them had they had well, it's like when I played first played adult hockey in New York, it's a little bit of a tangent, but a lot of the people who had played roller hockey or rollerblade, they never played ice hockey. And they mostly knew hockey from the Nintendo game Blades of Steel. So they thought at some point, like, every four or five minutes, you drop your gloves and get into a fist fight on the ice. And I'm like, that's actually not a part of the game of hockey. I mean, maybe it is in the NHL or whatever, but we're playing adult league hockey at night. 01:10:01.730 --> 01:10:13.635 We're wearing face masks. We're not getting into fist fights on the ice. You know? So this I just remember there was a kid a parent who wanted to teach the kids slap shots when they were, like, mites. And I'm like, that's insane. 01:10:13.635 --> 01:10:16.035 First of all, they're not legal. You can't take them. 01:10:16.035 --> 01:10:16.915 Right. Right. That's right. 01:10:16.915 --> 01:10:22.515 They they don't have the ability to take a slap shot. It's silly. It's stupid. You know? 01:10:22.515 --> 01:10:23.395 That's right. Yeah. 01:10:24.140 --> 01:10:34.459 But what it turned to what I found, it it wasn't like parents trying to push their kids beyond where they went. It was the fact that the kids who did well gave status to their parents now. 01:10:34.780 --> 01:10:35.260 Mhmm. 01:10:35.260 --> 01:11:19.075 Like, to be the parent of a hockey superstar gave you status in the rink and made you important and put you with a, quote, unquote, higher class of other parents with the double a parents instead of the single a parents, blah blah blah blah blah. So that that shocked me, and that also I definitely was surprised by and made fun of. But then there was a game where my it was like a tie game, and Micah, right up at the end, my son made this very clever play. That's what he was just good at, being clever, where he you know, at an older you'd know that this play would happen. The kids hadn't seen it, which is he went around the goalie and then stopped and came back and scored because the goalie followed him around and didn't even think that he would come back. 01:11:19.400 --> 01:11:31.320 Okay? And a parent actually came across the rink and shook my hand and hugged me. I'm like, oh my god. This is terrible. I'm like, Mike can make more gold and score more goals than I could become mayor of this town. 01:11:31.320 --> 01:11:31.800 You know? 01:11:32.865 --> 01:11:47.105 That's right. It's true, though. It it mean it's and and you're right. You, like, can't help yourself. And Scott and I went down that road for a long time, and that's one of the reasons why we started this podcast because we knew that we were kind of broken. 01:11:47.450 --> 01:12:04.524 Right? And we needed to fix ourselves. And for some strange reason, when you talk to another hockey parent, it makes you feel better because you know you're not acting the right way. Right? You know, so that's kind of one of the reasons why we started this, Rich, because it it was part therapy session for Scott and I to try to fix ourselves. 01:12:04.765 --> 01:12:33.140 And by having these conversations and doing it through a podcast, you know, we bring on people like yourself who have experienced this and hopefully, and I think it's kind of working. I know it's working for Scott and I, and hopefully it's working for a lot of our listeners is it again, they don't like Scott said before, they don't know what they don't know until they know it. And from hearing from all these hockey personalities, the people that have gone through it, I think it's starting to sink in. So hopefully, we're doing some some service to the hockey space by Yeah. 01:12:33.705 --> 01:12:36.905 Kinda taking crazy hockey lives. 01:12:37.065 --> 01:12:38.345 Trying yes. 01:12:38.505 --> 01:12:54.459 Yes. I just remember being at a game once where me I was behind the goalie, and me and another hockey parent were just talking shit about every other parent on the team and every other kid. And the Goldie's parent came over, and he had a GoPro set up to watch his son, and we were like, oh, 01:12:55.820 --> 01:12:57.260 He picked up everything. 01:12:58.140 --> 01:13:02.965 No. I never heard about it again, but I was terrified for about three weeks. It was gonna do me a transcription or something. 01:13:02.965 --> 01:13:19.670 Well, you know, and it's so funny. We've been in rings, not Jamie and I necessarily, but, I'll be with my wife. And then, like, look, we all go through stuff, and, like, one of the first questions if we're if we know we're starting to talk about, you know, whatever, like, you know, people, parents, kids, whatever, it's like, where's the Live Barn camera? 01:13:19.670 --> 01:13:21.430 Where's the Live Barn that. 01:13:21.590 --> 01:13:22.230 You know? 01:13:22.470 --> 01:13:27.350 I know. Everything was recorded. Live Barn was there, but it wasn't even in every rink yet. 01:13:27.510 --> 01:13:27.910 Right. 01:13:27.910 --> 01:13:33.125 Right. You know, I wrote a book about the 1985 Chicago Bears, and I interviewed Jim McMahon. 01:13:33.365 --> 01:13:35.285 And he's used to wear the headband. 01:13:35.285 --> 01:13:37.365 Yeah. I fucking love McMahon is my favorite player. 01:13:37.365 --> 01:13:38.245 A 100%. 01:13:38.325 --> 01:13:39.045 Not to. 01:13:39.045 --> 01:13:53.340 Yeah. Starts talking to me about his kid playing hockey in Glenview, Illinois, and he was a crazy hockey parent. He almost got in a fight with another parent. Can you imagine going to a hockey game, watch your 10 year old, and you get in a fight with Jim McMahon? 01:13:53.340 --> 01:13:57.260 Jim McMahon. Guy's a legend. 01:13:57.260 --> 01:13:57.660 That's what 01:13:57.660 --> 01:13:59.660 made me think of Fridge Perry. Wow. 01:13:59.660 --> 01:14:05.565 Yeah. Yeah. Well, that that those that team that you covered was that was, like, the Walter Payton D. I mean, those were, like, 01:14:05.565 --> 01:14:10.045 those were major majors. In my opinion, the great well, it was the greatest defense of all time, and it was 01:14:10.365 --> 01:14:14.925 Yeah. Yeah. That was an unbelievable defense. Unbelievable. Unbelievable football team. 01:14:15.650 --> 01:14:16.370 You know? Yeah. 01:14:16.370 --> 01:14:33.615 One of the things also that, like, I know resonates loud with our parents, and I'm sure you got plenty of stories, was just the tournament lifestyle. Yeah. You know? And and and, like, what that's like. And, you know, what's what's interesting, and, you know, I'll share my my bit a little a little bit about it. 01:14:33.695 --> 01:15:02.395 When my son started playing and at least more competitively in travel, like, I was coaching him. And that that really did happen organically despite the fact that it probably sounds like a lie since I'm on a podcast called Crazy Hockey Dads, but it is pretty true. Nonetheless, I was more than happy to do it. But I also I also, because of that, distanced myself to some extent, you know, from being really, like, kinda, like, in the trenches with the other parents. So, you know, when Jamie tells these stories, I'm like, wow. 01:15:02.395 --> 01:15:08.315 You know, I kinda feel like I missed out on stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Because I I I really wasn't He was hiding. Yeah. 01:15:08.315 --> 01:15:08.715 Yeah. 01:15:11.115 --> 01:15:36.105 It's funny because the this is so this is from a season after the book. So it's like there's many seasons after I wrote the book. So my son was on a AAA hockey team, and they had him playing, like, the best teams in the Northeast, but they weren't very good. It was like they made this promise to parents, and they the team wasn't should not have been playing the poo we were playing. So we'd lose very badly, but it was catch a really fun season. 01:15:36.345 --> 01:15:44.830 But there was a goalie on the team, and the goalie, every time he got down by five goals or more, he would hurl his equipment across the ice. 01:15:44.830 --> 01:15:45.310 Oh my 01:15:45.310 --> 01:15:54.430 god. And it was always kinda very entertaining. And I always say the bad news is we're losing four to nothing. The good news is if they score one more goal, we're all gonna get to see that big blocker get thrown across the ice. 01:15:57.635 --> 01:15:59.475 He would just toss his gear? 01:15:59.475 --> 01:16:05.075 Go crazy. Take his glove. He throw it. He throw it. And he was the only goalie, so then he'd have to go put it all back on. 01:16:05.075 --> 01:16:07.235 We usually got a penalty for it. You know? 01:16:07.395 --> 01:16:08.435 Delayed game. 01:16:08.435 --> 01:16:12.500 Oh, so somebody had to go in the box. Oh, that's fantastic. Oh, god. 01:16:12.500 --> 01:16:33.875 Yeah. You know, that just made me I don't know who we were talking to, and it's not necessarily about a I don't think it was a parent that we spoke to, but you just made me think of, like, you know, like, it made me think of, like, what would be, like, a suitable punishment? Why my brain's going this direction? I don't know necessarily. But who do we have on James that, like, when the goalie got a penalty, they'd make the goalie go serve the penalty in the box? 01:16:33.955 --> 01:16:36.835 God. I don't remember. Maybe just have the empty empty net. 01:16:36.915 --> 01:16:39.395 Yeah. Yeah. They place yeah. 01:16:39.395 --> 01:16:41.235 The goalie the goalie would have to serve the penalty. 01:16:41.850 --> 01:16:53.770 By way, when I was a kid, I always wanted to be the goalie. I always wanna play goalie, and they never would let me to play goalie. And one one time, the goalie didn't show up. And so I've said, can I please play goalie? And they said, yes. 01:16:53.770 --> 01:17:05.325 And this is outdoors in in Glencoe, Illinois. There's an outdoor rink called Watts. And I'm playing goalie, and I never really thought through what it means to be a goalie. Okay? Which is it was very cold out. 01:17:05.325 --> 01:17:11.700 It was, like, five degrees out. Then and our team was pretty good. So the other they're pinned on the other side of the ice. I'm just sitting there. Totally. 01:17:11.700 --> 01:17:28.805 With, like, nothing to do and freezing cold. And then all of a sudden, everybody's skating at you, and you have to just stand there. You know? And then somebody took a, like, a slap shot and hit me in the ankle, and it felt like my whole ankle shattered like glass. And I thought this is a terrible, terrible position. 01:17:28.885 --> 01:17:35.205 You know? I wanted to do it for the face masks, really, because that was the era of, you know, the Jason kind 01:17:35.205 --> 01:17:35.845 of Yeah. 01:17:36.165 --> 01:17:40.380 Yeah. The scary mask. Yeah. That's right. That's right. 01:17:40.380 --> 01:17:49.420 It's it's funny you bring that up. I remember not not a hockey one. I was kid. I also played soccer, and I was a goalie in soccer. And I remember, similarly, I was it was cold. 01:17:49.420 --> 01:18:08.870 It was like I don't I don't know. It was like it was like fall bore. Like, it was like an early fall freeze or whatever the deal was, and I was literally standing there. I have such vivid memories of my dad running out into the field and giving me his jacket just so I could put something else on because I was just stand standing there absolutely freezing. But, yeah, that's a that's a 01:18:08.950 --> 01:18:15.830 It's funny the things you remember. So, like, just talking about this, I'm remembering this outdoor rink I played at, which was at where you played house league. Yeah. 01:18:15.830 --> 01:18:16.150 And what 01:18:16.150 --> 01:18:45.630 I rem this is, like, what you remember from hockey as a kid, which is there was a Coke machine which still had the thing where it the the thing The door. Poured the syrup and poured the the cup would come out. And then and then and every now and then, you'd put a quarter in, and this syrup would come out, and the soda would come out, and then a clump of ice, and then the cup. You know? And you learn, like, you can get screwed in this life. 01:18:45.630 --> 01:18:50.945 You know? Totally. I used my one quarter, and the cup came out after the drink. 01:18:53.025 --> 01:19:01.505 Oh, god. That's like, you know, that's like when you put when you get something from a vending machine and the two little corkscrews stop and the thing's still there. 01:19:02.120 --> 01:19:04.200 Start shaking the machine, try to get it out. 01:19:04.200 --> 01:19:11.240 The hot chocolate machine, the cup would come out upside down, and you try to like and the stuff was like 150 degrees when it would come out. 01:19:12.120 --> 01:19:17.995 Was totally someone messing with the, you know, messing with the people using the machine. I'm gonna turn these cups upside down. 01:19:18.235 --> 01:19:33.100 Right. But, also, I remember as a kid playing hockey, after you played, you'd go out to that machine and get a a payday bar. And that payday bar, after I played hockey, was the most delicious thing to this day I've ever had in my life. You know? Like, you never feel better than after you play. 01:19:33.420 --> 01:19:42.700 And it's funny. That that's the stuff that the kids remember when they're young. Yeah. And I think parents forget this. They remember, like, what they ate with their buddies running around the hotel. 01:19:42.940 --> 01:19:57.510 They When the game ends, for the most most part, most of them don't even remember who won or lost. Right? The memories are with their buddies eating food like that or hanging out in hotels, playing knee hockey in the hallway. Right? Like, that's what these kids remember at the younger You're 01:19:57.510 --> 01:20:10.575 getting yelled at by some person who stupidly booked the Hilton at Lake Placid in November and has no idea what the hell they're doing, and they wind up ruining their second honeymoon and maybe ending their marriage early because of it. 01:20:11.295 --> 01:20:35.540 I wonder how many marriages have been ruined by by ice hockey, by the way. You know? That's actually I I think I think that's a thing, by the way. I mean, we've we've talked to a bunch of of parents that I think one in particular, I think he actually said on our podcast early on, it was very early on, Scott, I don't if you remember it, but he said that hockey had tested his marriage. You know? 01:20:35.620 --> 01:20:49.865 Mean, stressful. And you get in like you said before, Richie, you get involved in it. You get emotional, and that's one of the things we kind of try to tell people, just to let your kid have their journey and try not to scream at them in the car on the way home. Right? 01:20:50.665 --> 01:20:51.225 Oh, yeah. 01:20:51.780 --> 01:20:54.180 So like I said, I I think I'm hoping that we're 01:20:54.020 --> 01:20:59.060 Now you just brought up a lot of memories that make that I'm ashamed of. The younger We we've all done it. 01:20:59.140 --> 01:21:00.980 Car, right? We've all done it. Yeah. 01:21:00.980 --> 01:21:05.395 We've all been there. Explaining what you did wrong and all that kinda crap. 01:21:05.395 --> 01:21:14.595 Right. We've all done sorry. So so that's a question for you, Rich. What would you change, Ray, if you're going back, you know, when when your kids were playing, what would you do different? If you get to pick one So 01:21:14.595 --> 01:21:41.355 so much of hockey for kids as a parent is based on as soon as they make a team, you're already focusing on what what team will they make next. Mhmm. It's all based on climbing this ladder, and the ladder goes mostly goes nowhere. It's like, you know, so you're you're you're focused on where your kid's gonna be on the next year, the next team, the next team. And you it's kinda like your hockey your kid's hockey career, if you can call it that, is happening now. 01:21:41.355 --> 01:21:59.400 This is it. You know? So, like, when they're a pee wee and they're playing with their friends, that's the thing. Like so I think I would focus more on this this moment and, like, not focused on, like, your career where you're like, what job am I gonna have next? Because you're you're missing it. 01:21:59.400 --> 01:22:10.905 Your kid isn't missing it. Like you said, as a kid, you remember. It's like hockey's so great as a sport. It's such a great sport to play that parents almost can't ruin it. You know? 01:22:10.905 --> 01:22:29.900 So what you wind up doing is you're usually, your kid has to put up with some shit and stuff from you, and there's maybe some things you're ashamed of, but your kid's still gonna have a great time. But you miss it as a parent. Right. And that's probably for all of childhood. You miss it because you're so focused on the like, the goal. 01:22:29.900 --> 01:22:33.735 There is no goal. Not really. I mean, the the goal is to play hockey. 01:22:34.295 --> 01:22:40.375 Right. Right. You know? I yeah. I I I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this, Rich. 01:22:40.375 --> 01:23:05.905 I I was playing pickleball recently with a girl who's really, really good. I mean, impressive, but we got to talking, and her her son just graduated high school. And his hockey career is now over. And she looks at me and she goes and she knows that I have a 2012, so I have a handful of years to go until I get to, you know, the point where Dominic stops playing hockey. But she looks at me, she goes, Jamie, she goes, I can't even tell you how badly I miss it. 01:23:05.905 --> 01:23:10.385 She's like, my husband and I don't know what to do with ourselves. That's what she said to me. 01:23:10.785 --> 01:23:20.850 Right? It's like in the movie Raising Arizona when he starts driving by convenience stores that aren't on the way home. You start driving by rinks where your kid isn't playing and slowing down. 01:23:20.850 --> 01:23:22.050 Right. Right. 01:23:23.170 --> 01:23:26.209 It's it's real. Right? It really is. It's unbelievable. 01:23:26.370 --> 01:23:47.360 Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's a huge, huge part of your life. But, you know, it's just a metaphor for being a parent, man, because your kids will go off to college or their lives, and it's sad. I mean, but it's so that's why it's important not to, like, focus on where this is going because it's happening right now. 01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:49.280 Just live in the moment. 01:23:49.760 --> 01:24:04.115 Yeah. I mean Yeah. Know? But your kids really, you can't really wreck it for your kids, I don't think, because it's just it's such a fun sport. And by the way, hockey has the advantage of the parents are at a safer move on the other side of a thick piece of plexiglass. 01:24:04.115 --> 01:24:19.620 They can't get at the kids. The kids can't usually hear them. You know? Of the funniest moments I ever saw in as a as a youth hockey parent, I this is in the book, is a kid vomited on the ice. I mean, that's not funny, but no one would clean it up. 01:24:20.100 --> 01:24:32.995 And the coach is saying to the ref, you gotta clean it up. The ref's like, I'm not paid to clean it up. I'm paid to ref a hockey game, not to clean up vomit. You have to clean it up. Like, the game came to a stop because of the fight over who would clean up the puke on the ice. 01:24:33.635 --> 01:24:36.515 So who wound up losing that battle? The coach. 01:24:36.515 --> 01:24:47.940 Parent came out. The ref would not do it. The parent came out and in a huff, you know, slipping all around in his street shoes in, like nothing like seeing somebody have a temper tantrum on ice and sneakers. 01:24:47.940 --> 01:24:52.985 You know? That must have been a sight. 01:24:53.465 --> 01:25:03.865 Total sight. Oh my god. So was was your was your was your wife along for, like, the ride just as much as you were, or was no. Not as much. 01:25:03.865 --> 01:25:14.560 She would come sometimes. Yeah. The worst is when you I remember I was complaining about something. I was talking about how great the game is and everything. And I had this friend, and I got him all excited about hockey. 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:31.575 Like, it's so exciting. I was explaining how exciting these games are, and his his kids played were very good basketball and soccer players. And I got through my language, I got him so excited about the game. He showed up at, like, our squirt game, and he's like, what the hell? This sucks. 01:25:31.575 --> 01:25:32.535 Like, he's expecting, 01:25:32.535 --> 01:25:33.175 you know, 01:25:33.415 --> 01:25:50.170 like, the rangers and the devils, and he's got a bunch of kids who and he looks at me like, you've gone nuts. Like and I, like, saw it through his eyes, I was like, oh my god. It really isn't that great. You know? So so my my wife always, I think, saw it as it as it was more, and I sort of saw it as 01:25:50.170 --> 01:25:51.975 I wanted it to be. It's a little 01:25:51.975 --> 01:25:58.935 bit like the emerald colored glasses. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely by by the time they're in high school, they're genuinely good. 01:25:58.935 --> 01:26:07.820 But Yeah. In those first years, it's it's exciting when you see a two line pass, like, successfully executed. You're ready to pass out from it. 01:26:07.980 --> 01:26:12.540 Totally. You know? A 100%. 01:26:12.780 --> 01:26:18.540 Were were you ever thinking about doing a sequel to the book? Was that ever an option? Like, a a season two? 01:26:19.825 --> 01:26:25.265 No. But I'm thinking about turning it into, like, a a TV show or a movie. That is something I wanna do. 01:26:25.665 --> 01:26:28.705 Oh, that's interesting. Is there any is 01:26:29.265 --> 01:26:31.585 this hockey show, I have no sex scenes at all. 01:26:32.350 --> 01:26:35.390 Is that Yeah. Yeah. With, like, 12 year olds or whatever. 01:26:35.390 --> 01:26:45.310 Yeah. My hockey life my hockey experience, there's no sex in it. It's completely g rated. So I know this show. I haven't even seen it, but I remember that show over the winter that was everybody's going crazy about. 01:26:46.665 --> 01:26:48.025 Oh, the one on HBO? 01:26:48.025 --> 01:26:49.785 You did rivals or whatever it was called. Yeah. 01:26:49.785 --> 01:26:53.705 Yeah. I haven't seen it either, but everybody talks about it. You know? Right. 01:26:54.025 --> 01:26:55.865 When when when Scott and 01:26:55.865 --> 01:27:08.560 I opened up our business bank account, we're sitting in front of her, and she's like, so what's what's the podcast about? We're like, it's about ice hockey. She's like, oh. She's like, even rivals, we're like, what? 01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:18.735 That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah. I'm like, I realized somebody's like, somebody said, see, so you really showed that there really is a big main extreme market on TV for hockey. I'm like, for sex? 01:27:18.975 --> 01:27:19.535 Right. I mean, 01:27:19.535 --> 01:27:24.015 it's like if you can it's not the hockey that they're there for. So 01:27:24.415 --> 01:27:30.550 Yeah. Well, that that's when you make the tournament weekends a little more explosive or have some more fireworks, you know, 01:27:30.550 --> 01:27:30.870 because I'm 01:27:30.870 --> 01:27:35.590 sure there's plenty of crazy stories that circle around too many drinks in the hotel lobby. 01:27:36.150 --> 01:27:41.110 I know. You know? I I I never really saw that, but I would own it for it. I guess I would go to sleep kinda early. 01:27:41.515 --> 01:27:42.155 Yeah. You 01:27:42.155 --> 01:27:53.195 know? I never saw it either, but I can almost guarantee you that there have been marriages ruined from youth hockey. I can I can I can guarantee you? 01:27:53.275 --> 01:28:03.380 I heard a story. This is like a story of, like, a couple years older than my kid that the coach was having an affair with one of the mothers. Mhmm. 01:28:03.380 --> 01:28:04.260 I've heard that as well. 01:28:04.260 --> 01:28:04.660 And the 01:28:04.660 --> 01:28:21.235 theory was it was really about ice time. Like, you wanna get your kid ice time? So and then the father left, and the coach moved in, and now this kid is living with his mom and his hockey coach. 01:28:21.235 --> 01:28:25.030 No. That's unbelievable. How awkward is that? 01:28:25.510 --> 01:28:26.950 Hey, coach. 01:28:27.830 --> 01:28:38.645 Yeah, dad. Guy. I have heard stories about that too, Rich. That is a thing. There's a lot of people giggling listening to this interview right now, that's for sure. 01:28:40.085 --> 01:29:13.965 Unbelievable. Yeah. So one of the things we were talking about also was just like when you were talking about your memories of, like, you know, what it was like back then for you and, like, your experiences. Have you and and have you ever, like, kinda, like, reconciled some of your memories against, like, your child and, like, what what it was like for them? Like, you know, oh, if if you were like, oh, do remember the time when this, that, and that, like, is it you know, I think that would be, like, an interesting thing, like, down the roads, like, when I, you know, like, relive things with my kid and just be curious to see, like, what are the things that I remember versus what he remembers. 01:29:13.965 --> 01:29:14.205 You know? 01:29:14.920 --> 01:29:41.340 Yeah. I mean, it's interesting. I I used to wanna do this whole thing because there's a change in sports parents. Like, I always thought there was two models, which was from the old model of sports parent is like, there's a movie about Lou Gehrig, you know, pride of the yankees, famous movie with Gary Cooper, and also the newt rockney story is another one where Lou Gehrig's parents hated sports and thought sports were a stupid waste of time. You know? 01:29:41.420 --> 01:29:59.755 And the whole story is, like, he'd go out in his nice clothes and play baseball and have to come in and his shirt would be ripped, his mom's like, Lou, are you playing that baseball again? You are a punnett. You know? And and then you get to, like, Mickey Mantle, like I said, whose dad is like, what are you doing wasting your time at school? We gotta go out and teach you to hit lefty. 01:29:59.915 --> 01:30:08.730 You know? You gotta start throwing. You gotta learn to throw it both hand. And it's like this shift. So I think my father was more like the Lou Gehrig parents. 01:30:08.730 --> 01:30:34.570 Even though my father, I sit as a basketball coach, and he did not care. He did not think I was gonna play college anything. He did not think he liked that I was playing hockey because he thought it was good to get exercise, and it would kinda toughen you up a little bit, and it's good to get knocked down, and it's good to get checked, and to learn that you could get hit, and it's not really that big a deal and all that. He liked all that, but he didn't really care about my progress or the game. He didn't come to the games. 01:30:34.570 --> 01:31:02.249 He couldn't stay in the games. And then so my ex my memory of hockey is kids and brothers, you know, other kids and some coaches. And the first time I really noticed this with the changes, I took my son to one a hockey game, and I went into the locker room, like, with his bag, and all the parents are in the locker room. This when he's a little kid, and they're staying in the locker room. And the coach comes in, and there's, like, 12 kids and 12 parents. 01:31:02.250 --> 01:31:20.865 Yeah. And that was just mind blowing to me, like a complete cultural shift of the involvement of parents. You know? And I can imagine what it's like to be a coach. I mean, I'm one of the parents bitching, but, basically, to be a coach, to wanna coach little kids to play hockey, and you have to deal with all these angry parents. 01:31:20.865 --> 01:31:31.940 Like, you know, some are protecting their kids' positions. Some are angry that their kids aren't getting enough of this or that. Or and in our case, where we played, there's a parent board. It's run by a parent board. Mhmm. 01:31:31.940 --> 01:31:33.060 So the coach 01:31:34.180 --> 01:31:38.420 doesn't wanna piss off the parents, you know, the parents of the kids on the board. 01:31:38.500 --> 01:31:40.020 Because they're calling the shots. Yeah. 01:31:40.020 --> 01:31:41.300 They could fire them. 01:31:41.540 --> 01:31:42.020 Sure. 01:31:42.195 --> 01:31:51.715 You know, which is actually so these jobs matter to these people to people. You know? So it changed. It became more professional. It continues. 01:31:51.715 --> 01:32:09.850 It becomes you know? So all the way up to now when you think of what's happened with football, because that's the most visible to me in the last ten years with the portal and all that in college football, it's like they somehow turned all of amateur sports into minor leagues for the pros. 01:32:09.850 --> 01:32:10.490 That's right. 01:32:10.805 --> 01:32:27.210 And it's way more efficient for developing players. That's for sure. You know? So if your goal is to develop great players for the pro leagues, it's much better. But if you wanna give an interesting experience to these kids and then ultimately to the people who care about the game as fans, you've destroyed the game. 01:32:27.690 --> 01:32:32.810 You know, you've created a feeder system for the NHL or whatever it is. So No doubt. 01:32:32.810 --> 01:32:35.290 Yeah. Yeah. That's unfortunate. When I 01:32:35.290 --> 01:32:50.325 was when I was a kid, I played Deerfield Deerfield falcons. We had a great team. The whole organization was great. And and now all those all those double a teams are completely hollowed out because of all the triple a programs. You know? 01:32:50.325 --> 01:33:08.360 Yeah. And one of the things that one of my criticisms, even though I had fun, was like I said, when I was a kid, we traveled because we had to. Because there's not a lot of kids that played. You had to go to find the kids that played. But, like, where I live in Fairfield County, Connecticut, there's, like, a good hockey team every three or four miles. 01:33:08.855 --> 01:33:30.870 You know? Yep. I always thought it would be very helpful if they just scheduled a lot of local games, and you could get local rivalries going. Like, bears packer style rivalries where we played the team from New Canaan as youths six times instead of traveling to Southern New Jersey and spending many, many hours in the car when you could be playing hockey. You know? 01:33:32.950 --> 01:33:48.965 Yeah. So whatever. So that's just a way to, like you know, if you wanna get I always said, if you wanna get rich, figure out a way to charge for something that's always been free, that's how you can get rich. So if could charge for water. You know? 01:33:48.965 --> 01:34:08.475 Right. So literally, like, when I grew up, I played travel hockey, and I would go play house league hockey. The best kid I knew, the best hockey player, the best athlete, he played house league hockey. Because his mom is like, I'm not gonna drive 10 miles so you can play hockey when we've got a perfectly good rank right here in town. 01:34:08.555 --> 01:34:09.515 She was smart. 01:34:09.595 --> 01:34:12.395 $5. You know? Yeah. 01:34:12.955 --> 01:34:14.635 She was smart. She was onto something. 01:34:15.035 --> 01:34:20.150 Yeah. But now when I go to my older son wanted to play the house league, they don't even have enough kids for two teams. 01:34:20.390 --> 01:34:20.790 Right. 01:34:20.790 --> 01:34:24.310 Yeah. It's true. Well, that's House league for us is these little kids. Right? 01:34:24.310 --> 01:34:37.565 Yeah. But it's interesting you say that because, like, one of the things that I was surprised at like, my son doesn't play baseball. But around here, a lot of if you're gonna play travel baseball, you have to play rec baseball. Like Yeah. And so you're automatically on two teams. 01:34:37.565 --> 01:34:55.300 And so a buddy of mine who I played hockey with, and we still skate every now and again, he's just telling me his kids are into baseball, and he's like, you know, he's coached them also. But he's like, he's got two kids and four baseball teams. Yeah. You know, not that he's coaching all of them, but he's like, it's it's crazy. It's it's not nannas. 01:34:55.540 --> 01:35:11.805 It's the same role here. And, actually, that's another thing, which is my son also played baseball. He's really good at baseball. And at some point when the hockey got more serious, he had to tell the baseball coach, I have to be late for these practices because of the hockey practices. And Yeah. 01:35:11.885 --> 01:35:20.400 The coach said, okay. But it was okay for, like, place, and then he wasn't playing, and he was getting yelled at. And he had to, like, choose. Yeah. Yeah. 01:35:20.400 --> 01:35:26.880 You know? It just sucked that he had to make this choice, like, adult choice, like, choose your sport at, like, age 12 or whatever it was. 01:35:27.200 --> 01:35:31.245 Yeah. They all say that. They're like, they it's okay until it's not okay. Right. It becomes And by 01:35:31.245 --> 01:35:37.405 way, thought baseball made him a better hockey player because he was great at, like, tipping in pucks and all that stuff, you know? 01:35:37.485 --> 01:35:41.325 From the hand eye. Yeah. From from baseball. Yeah. Yeah. 01:35:41.325 --> 01:35:41.645 Yeah. 01:35:41.645 --> 01:36:03.635 That's like a common a common thread. Like, I was talking to a parent who's actually had on the podcast, but his his kids are very high level athletes. Like, d one d one lacrosse, one's going to, like, the, you know, USA, like, development team. And but he was just talking about, like, he was a football guy growing up and just like, you know, it was his kid was maybe in, like, I don't know. Let's call it seventh grade at the time. 01:36:04.195 --> 01:36:13.395 It could be mixing up mixing up. It doesn't matter, but he's just like, there's only my son is the only kid on the team that still plays two sports. Yeah. He's like in seventh or eighth grade. And it's like, like, what? 01:36:13.820 --> 01:36:15.820 They make it very, very, very hard. 01:36:15.980 --> 01:36:16.780 Very hard. 01:36:17.100 --> 01:36:20.380 Sport. Percent. Every sport. Wants you to be twelve months out of the year. 01:36:20.380 --> 01:36:39.955 Yeah. But but it's not only but, like, part of the problem is is that it's not just that, like, the the circumstantially, it gets difficult. It's that, like, if you actually wanna play another sport, you're competing against kids that are playing it year round. You know what I mean? So that, like, your your actual skill set needs to be that much better if you even wanna play, you know, a site. 01:36:39.955 --> 01:37:05.365 It is just it's bananas, and it's real it's really, you know, it's really unfair in in so many ways. And and you you mentioned the portal. You mentioned, you know, like, the the, you know, the the development path and now that there's money with the NIL money. Like, the downward pressure that it puts on youth sports, I think, is absolutely insane. That not it used to be, you know, kids or, you know, parents are like, oh, maybe my kid will get a scholarship or get some of his school paid for. 01:37:05.365 --> 01:37:09.285 But now that you can go to college and you can actually make, in some cases, like, millions of dollars 01:37:09.445 --> 01:37:11.205 There's money. Yeah. Like, it is Yeah. 01:37:11.205 --> 01:37:37.195 It is so bananas, and it's just not fair to the kids because they're put in situations where, like, you know, they're if we talk about the love for the game. Right? Yeah. And I always say this because I'll probably never forget this, but Doug Christiansen, who I mentioned earlier, put it so well, and he said that your your children need to love the game because like anything in life, the price of admission at some point is gonna get very hard. And if they don't love it, they're not gonna pay. 01:37:37.515 --> 01:37:47.920 And it's like you put all this downward pressure on, like, kids that aren't, like, don't their their brains aren't even developed enough to handle, like, you know, some of this stuff, and it's like, what what what are we doing? Like, are we 01:37:47.920 --> 01:38:14.020 doing here? Well, that was the thing, and I think I wrote about it in the book, which is like it's like what people think skill is. You know? So they're like, he's what always drove drove me crazy, and this goes even up to the NFL, to my bears book, which is people would say, like, he had so much skill if he just had could stick to it or just had a work ethic or just practiced or but that that's the skill. You know what I mean? 01:38:14.020 --> 01:38:41.680 Like, that stuff that you think is just an extra thing would be good if the person had it, that stuff's even more rare than what you're calling the skill, and it ends up being more important. And, like, that's the love of the game, whatever. You so you'd see these kids that they're really, really have these skills, and that's what they measure for, because the tryouts, they break it down, and they measure for the skills, but they don't like hockey. You know what I mean? So they're gonna quit. 01:38:42.160 --> 01:38:57.165 Right. You're looking at this kid's great, but this kid's gonna quit because the kid doesn't like hockey, and you're pushing him harder and harder and harder. So you wind up with these teams with, like the teams that win as little kids used to be full of kids that wanna be there, and they're having a great time, and they love hockey. You know? Yep. 01:38:57.165 --> 01:39:33.345 And and so you're measuring it's interesting because it so it it does it is a downward pressure because you get, like, the skills you measure for at, like, say, the NFL combine or something, right, which those skills don't really mean anything. But whatever the so, basically, the stuff that gets valued is only the stuff that you can count or measure. And the stuff that's in in that you cannot measure, it's like it doesn't exist. But often, a lot of that that turns out to be the most important stuff. They call it hockey IQ, but no one really knows what that means. 01:39:33.345 --> 01:39:50.070 It just means, like, a kid that wants to win and can figure out creative ways to get the job done, basically, in some way. So and they will figure it out. That's like what the book Moneyball, to me, is about, which is they figured out a way to measure a bunch of stuff that wasn't being measured. 01:39:50.295 --> 01:39:51.335 Right. Right. 01:39:51.415 --> 01:40:08.020 You know, let's say there's theoretically 100,000 things you can measure about an athlete, and a 100 of them are getting measured. You know? And the rest, it's like it just doesn't exist. And as a parent, watching it, when they make these selections, you can see that they're missing. You're they're missing it. 01:40:08.020 --> 01:40:27.155 You know? And they're often missing the kids that are really good because they don't have these kind of concrete measures, which turn out not to be important, and you wind up with these kids that are kinda, like, maybe very skilled or have a very hard shot, or they're fast, but they don't wanna be at the rink, they don't like the game, or they don't want any physical they don't want any physical contact. 01:40:28.300 --> 01:40:30.220 Yeah. That's can't put them in a 01:40:30.220 --> 01:40:33.340 crowd around the front of the net. They won't go there. They don't wanna be touched. 01:40:33.420 --> 01:40:51.145 It's funny you mentioned that. So my my my son just finished his first year bantam year where they started hitting. And wow, what a difference from from our our PR last Pee Wee year to our first bantam year. They were kids that wanted no part of contact. 01:40:51.145 --> 01:40:51.385 Yeah. 01:40:51.385 --> 01:40:56.345 I mean, zero. And they were not small kids either, and they were like this. 01:40:57.400 --> 01:41:04.760 It was funny. I used to joke I used to joke about it because the idea that you don't check until ban them because rights ban them year that they start checking. 01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:05.400 Yeah. Yeah. 01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:10.200 And when I was a kid, you checked as a might you got checked. 01:41:10.200 --> 01:41:11.080 You always Right. 01:41:11.545 --> 01:41:18.584 You know? Right. So I it like, I thought, well, it'd be fun to play as a kid with nobody can check you. You know? That was smart. 01:41:18.745 --> 01:41:19.065 Right. 01:41:19.065 --> 01:41:31.360 But then you think sort of, like, adding in Banham here is kinda cruel. It's sorta like saying, like, when somebody's 20, oh, we forgot to tell you something important about life. You die. We didn't mention that. You'll die at some point. 01:41:31.360 --> 01:41:40.880 You'll get sick. It's like the hockey oh, it's just good. One more thing we didn't mention, which is anyone if you have the puck, anyone around your team can come and just lay you out. It's okay. That's allowed. 01:41:41.305 --> 01:41:59.510 Yes. Yeah. And and you could see that there that was a very real thing. The kids were not expecting to get, you know, to get clipped on the way to the net, and all of a sudden, they're getting laid out when they're they thought they had shed a clear lane to the net, the and kid was just gonna stick a stick out. Now they're taking the body, and it's a totally different world. 01:41:59.510 --> 01:42:04.470 And, like, guys again, you see some kids that want no part of it, and it's blatantly obvious. 01:42:04.630 --> 01:42:29.620 I mean, my my son is really lucky. It was during COVID that he became a Bantam. He had this great coach in Brewster, New York, who'd been a state trooper and a hockey player, and he just taught them how to get hit. Like Right. The stuff you kinda do instinctually if it happens when you're a kid, which is how to move so you only get the glow you don't get the full blow and how to and how to how to you know, it was just really good. 01:42:29.620 --> 01:42:29.700 Like 01:42:29.860 --> 01:42:31.700 How to glance off and stuff like that. 01:42:31.700 --> 01:42:43.225 Yeah. Like, lot of those not how to hit, but how to get hit. And Right. You feel like when we when he came back to our after COVID and played with the kids in our town, those kids had never been taught, and they were getting hurt. 01:42:43.465 --> 01:42:44.025 Sure. 01:42:44.025 --> 01:42:44.585 You know? 01:42:44.585 --> 01:42:55.780 Yeah. Yeah. That's why Curtis Martin had such a bit a long career, and so he rushed for, you know, a thousand yards a year for ten plus years, whatever it was, because he knew how to not take a hit head on. He would always glance off. Right? 01:42:55.780 --> 01:42:56.820 That's a skill. 01:42:56.900 --> 01:42:57.700 You know? Yeah. 01:42:57.940 --> 01:43:16.655 And it seems also so unfair on, like, a a bunch of different levels. And I know there's reasons behind it. In USA Hockey, you know, you know, they do a lot of good things. But, like, you're you're not only introducing it at a time, like, when there's, you you know, these big gaps in terms of size. Right? 01:43:16.655 --> 01:43:44.835 Like puberty is, like, in full swing. So you have, like, tons of mismatches everywhere. But then, like, all of these years of being on the ice and, yes, I know body contact is part of USA Hockey's, like, prescription. There's no doubt about it from eight u where they talk about angling and and body contact for sure. But because it's also not such a part of the game, like body checking, like, don't know how much investment there really is in teaching younger kids how to at least in this area. 01:43:44.835 --> 01:44:00.410 I know USA Hockey's got a stronger grip in different parts of the country, but my experience over here in New Jersey in the Northeast has just been like, you know, you you're setting these kids up in some ways almost to fail because you're all these years, they could be, like, getting used to it, you know, and and and learning how. 01:44:00.490 --> 01:44:07.145 Kids you see kids that, like, they're peewees, and you like, that kid's great, but that's never gonna it's not gonna work next year. 01:44:07.145 --> 01:44:08.105 No. You know, all these 01:44:08.105 --> 01:44:16.665 kids doodle and doing all this stuff. And Yep. You just know this kid's whatever. This kid's developing a whole bunch of skills that's are not gonna go past high school. You know? 01:44:16.665 --> 01:44:25.900 Right. That's right. And and the the the hitting before you said the body contact, it's more like basketball. That's what I always think of. It's like you bang into people when you play basketball, but Yeah. 01:44:25.980 --> 01:44:33.100 It's different. It's the idea that you can if you catch somebody with their head down, you can actually try to, like, knock them out, basically. 01:44:33.100 --> 01:44:33.820 Yeah. Right. 01:44:34.515 --> 01:44:35.075 You know? 01:44:35.075 --> 01:44:59.640 Yeah. Yeah. Right. I think one of our parents, Scott, the one you were talking about whose child's gonna go play US national development team, I think he said something to the fact of it was something like, you know, when you teach a dog not to bite from through, like, mites, squirts, peewees, and all of a sudden, need to teach them how to bite all of a sudden. Like, you say, don't bite, don't bite, don't bite, and all of sudden, need them to bite. 01:44:59.880 --> 01:45:03.175 Like, a lot of them don't want to or aren't used to it or just don't. Right? 01:45:03.175 --> 01:45:24.850 But it's interesting. Like, I haven't really thought about it, so this is gonna be completely wrong. But a lot of the changes that are made are not are about the parents. Like, you know, it could be that watching squirts check, the parents just you're not getting the kids to play the game. You're not getting them you're not being able to get the kids in the programs because the parents don't wanna sit there and watch their kids get hit. 01:45:24.850 --> 01:45:25.730 You know what I mean? 01:45:25.890 --> 01:45:26.690 Sure. Sure. 01:45:27.745 --> 01:45:45.030 So and then at some point, obviously, it's like in baseball. Like, if you're going to the major leagues, you're gonna have to hit with a wooden bat. That's what they use in the major leagues. And at some point, if you're playing hockey and you're gonna go play in college or whatever, you have to introduce checking. So the question is, like, where? 01:45:45.030 --> 01:46:09.195 And probably Bantam is the worst for all the reasons that you said. There's kids that don't grow until they're 17 years old. You know? And by the way, a lot of those times, those kids because I also wrote a book about the nineteen eighty seven, eighty eight NBA basketball season, which I thought was the best season of all time. And you realize that a lot of the players that were the best were small, and they grew in college because they developed all these skills. 01:46:10.120 --> 01:46:21.240 You know? Like, you develop skills not how not to get hit, how to shift around, and then you're suddenly big. You know? So, like, I wrote about I'm I'm from Chicago. So Scottie Pippen 01:46:21.400 --> 01:46:21.720 was 01:46:21.720 --> 01:46:31.185 six feet tall point guard as a freshman in college, and he developed all these point guard skills, and then he ended up to being six grew ten inches in college. 01:46:31.345 --> 01:46:32.385 That's crazy. 01:46:32.465 --> 01:46:42.500 So he wound up as this very tall, big person with the skills of a very of a of a normal sized person, basically. And so Rodman, same thing. He grew after college. 01:46:42.660 --> 01:46:46.740 Yeah. Yes. That's right. Dennis Robin got enormous then. Enormous. 01:46:46.740 --> 01:46:49.220 I think he's six ten, if I'm not mistaken, Dennis Robin. 01:46:49.140 --> 01:46:52.580 He was, like, six he didn't make his high school basketball team because he was too short. 01:46:52.955 --> 01:46:56.395 That's right. Just like Michael Jordan. Very similar situation. Yeah. Freak. 01:46:56.635 --> 01:47:05.115 Those teams, were those, like, the John Paxton, BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, like, Bill Wennington days? Is are those all the guys Yes. Who were on that 01:47:05.915 --> 01:47:16.709 The team the team I wrote about on the Bulls was the it was like I wrote about 8788 season because there were four recognizable dynasties all playing well 01:47:16.470 --> 01:47:19.190 The Lakers, the Bulls, the Celtics, and 01:47:19.430 --> 01:47:20.390 The Pistons. 01:47:20.470 --> 01:47:23.495 Oh, Isaiah Thomas. Yes. I forgot about the Pistons. 01:47:23.495 --> 01:47:49.320 Yes. And in a lot of ways, the book was sort of trying to reclaim, like, restore Isaiah Thomas to where he belongs, which is right up there in the pantheon, which is what how I always felt watching him play. And he's sort of sort of been left out of the conversation partly because of, you know, his bad time as the GM of the Knicks. But that has nothing to do with his career as a player. Right. 01:47:49.320 --> 01:47:59.005 You know? And his career was cut a little bit like, in that year, wrote about '87, '88, The Pistons went to game seven in the finals and lost to the Lakers, and they really were the better team and all this 01:47:59.005 --> 01:47:59.565 stuff. But 01:48:00.285 --> 01:48:05.005 there were three different times during that postseason that Isaiah Thomas was on the floor unconscious. 01:48:06.580 --> 01:48:09.220 Yeah. Those were those were hard those were hard times. 01:48:09.220 --> 01:48:12.340 Those were yeah. Isaiah was five eleven. 01:48:12.340 --> 01:48:14.980 He was a little guy. Yeah. But he was tough as nails. 01:48:14.980 --> 01:48:29.935 Yeah. And he would go inside and, you know Always. And they would knock him to the floor, and he would be out cold. You know, there was a great there was a game as a Bulls fan, so off the subject of hockey. But Isaiah Thomas was really badly hurt, like, knocked out, okay, at Chicago Stadium. 01:48:30.510 --> 01:48:33.870 He left the game and went into the locker room, like, not to come back. 01:48:34.910 --> 01:48:35.950 And he came back. 01:48:36.110 --> 01:48:55.905 The bulls came back with Isaiah, and they took a lead. Isaiah did not wanna come back, but there had been a bunch of robberies at Chicago Stadium. So when he got to the locker room, it was locked. He couldn't get into the locker room. So he came back to the bench, and the coach is like, are you okay to play? 01:48:55.905 --> 01:49:09.600 He's like, well, I don't know. I'm kinda like I do not don't really know where I am. And so they were telling me, can you go back? And he was okay. And he went back in for, like in, like, three minutes, he scored, like, 15 points or something and ended the game and ended the season for the Bulls, but it was like 01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:16.125 Yeah. He was a heck of a basketball player. He was some basketball player. My goodness. Talk about an underrated guy in, like, NBA history. 01:49:16.125 --> 01:49:18.605 My goodness. Yeah. Right? Well, that makes me 01:49:18.605 --> 01:49:21.165 think of, like, Paul Caria, right, when he got knocked out 01:49:21.325 --> 01:49:21.485 Yeah. 01:49:21.485 --> 01:49:27.730 And then he came back. Absolutely. Then, you know, jeez. You know, Scott Stevens. Wow. 01:49:27.730 --> 01:49:35.570 That's just, know, like, a big Eric Lindros fan. So also, you know and grew up a Devils fan, so there's a little bit of unethical difficulty there. 01:49:35.410 --> 01:49:40.770 Seemed evil to me. I mean, it just because I he well, it seems like he would end people's careers. 01:49:41.165 --> 01:49:43.645 Oh, yes. Many of them. In some ways. 01:49:43.645 --> 01:49:50.925 You know, I was I did a story for a long time ago for I think it was GQ or something about Keith Kochuck. 01:49:51.485 --> 01:49:53.565 When he father. When he was young. 01:49:53.780 --> 01:50:06.420 When he was young, and he was the captain of the Phoenix Coyotes. And I hung out with him for, like, a week in Phoenix, and he had two young sons, age two and age four. You know? Right. 01:50:06.695 --> 01:50:08.535 And John Brady. Yeah. 01:50:08.695 --> 01:50:17.975 But what I remember is I went with him to the rink, and Matthew Barnaby was hanging out. Okay. Remember Matthew Barnaby? 01:50:17.975 --> 01:50:19.655 Yeah. He played for the Islanders. Right? 01:50:19.655 --> 01:50:21.255 Well, at this point, he played for Buffalo. 01:50:21.590 --> 01:50:22.230 Okay. 01:50:22.230 --> 01:50:29.190 And he was, like, very, very, very hated because he was kind of he was like like Avery or something. He was like a dirty player. 01:50:29.190 --> 01:50:29.830 Yep. Yep. 01:50:29.830 --> 01:50:45.135 And he was small, but he was just so strong. You know? And he had threatened the Dominic Hockey was the goalie was the goalie of the Sabres, and Dominic Hockey had set did basically push the coach out. I forget. He somehow got the coach fired. 01:50:45.455 --> 01:51:02.320 And Barnaby loved the coach, and Barnaby said he might make a run at Hockey, his own goalie. So everybody was really mad at Barnaby. And then when I went to the game, at the game that night, somebody passed the puck. It was like a buddy pass. It was in center ice behind Barnaby. 01:51:02.505 --> 01:51:31.325 It seemed like it was on purpose, man. You know? And they all were mad at him anyway, and he reached back to get the pass, and somebody hit him, and he, like, helicoptered in the air, and, like, he was unconscious, and he was not big, and his teeth were all over the ice. And I it was I was it was very violent, and I felt like I've just seen the end of someone's career. And he goes in the locker room, and I look up, and, like, five minutes later, he's back on the bench, and he has two swabs up his nose, like, with blood. 01:51:31.725 --> 01:51:35.245 And they put him on the big monitor, and they start playing Bad to the Bone 01:51:35.565 --> 01:51:35.965 Oh, that's 01:51:36.125 --> 01:51:42.685 the monitor. And he plays air guitar, and then he goes back out on the ice and immediately gets in a fight. 01:51:45.740 --> 01:51:46.940 Only hockey players. 01:51:46.940 --> 01:51:54.940 All of you. Then later on, I interviewed him. I so I spoke to him then just talking to him. He's a very friendly person. And I spoke to him when he was then later on the rangers. 01:51:55.295 --> 01:52:06.175 And I spoke to him again. I don't remember. Must have been doing another hockey story. And I asked him about Nintendo hockey, about the fighting in Nintendo hockey if it was realistic. You know? 01:52:06.335 --> 01:52:12.000 And he said, no. It's not realistic because in real life, you can never hit anyone that clean. 01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:14.080 That makes sense. 01:52:16.720 --> 01:52:38.970 Also, he was talking about get talking shit to other players, and he gave this whole thing about how it's gotta be true. Like, if you gotta know would you if you tell if you say to the guy, your wife's a lesbian, who's talking about slapshot, and the guy's wife is not a lesbian, he does not care. But if you say your wife's a lesbian and is a lesbian, then you can get the guy out of his game. You know? 01:52:38.970 --> 01:52:41.370 Oh, that's very funny. And so 01:52:41.370 --> 01:52:51.530 he said every time the a player would be traded to the whatever team he was on, he would ask to get out to dinner and go out the note cards and just ask about every player on the other team and write down all the gossip and all the shit 01:52:51.735 --> 01:52:56.695 that he used. That is so smart. So smart. 01:52:56.775 --> 01:52:58.535 That's so great. My goodness. 01:52:58.535 --> 01:53:26.645 It's funny that you bring that up because, like, I I listened to Spin Chicklets recently, and I think it was on Chicklets, but just talking about how players and their injuries, especially in the playoffs, and that, like, if you got a buddy on a team that just got knocked out, like, you're asking, like, what are the injuries on that team so you know what to go after. If someone's shoulder's hurting, I'm like, alright. I'm going after that dude's shoulder. And those are real text threads that get passed around, people trying to get the competitive advantage. It's unreal. 01:53:26.965 --> 01:53:29.365 Yeah. It's a cruel world. 01:53:29.925 --> 01:53:37.140 Yes. No doubt. That's no doubt. So I know we've kept you for like an hour twenty so far Rich. We want to be mindful of your time. 01:53:37.140 --> 01:53:45.220 So I have one more good one for you. All right. Finish this sentence. Youth Youth Hockey is blank. 01:53:46.020 --> 01:53:46.340 The best. 01:53:46.985 --> 01:53:57.625 Oh, there you go. It is. I second that. That's a perfect spot to end, because I don't know how else you end it. And tell everybody where they can find you, Rich. 01:53:57.625 --> 01:54:07.570 Yeah. I have a website, which is authorrichcohen.com, and I'm on Facebook and Instagram. And I'm around, and I'm easy to reach. 01:54:08.450 --> 01:54:16.770 Go go go download Pee Wee's. Go buy it in Barnes and Noble or wherever you could find it. It is a phenomenal book for any hockey parent, period. 01:54:16.850 --> 01:54:17.410 Must read. 01:54:17.775 --> 01:54:18.975 Yes. Thank you, Rich. 01:54:19.055 --> 01:54:24.735 Definitely. Thank you, Rich. This has been an unbelievable treat. It was worth the nine months waiting. Thank you so much for coming. 01:54:24.735 --> 01:54:26.975 Absolutely. Guys. Well put, James. 01:54:26.975 --> 01:54:28.335 Yeah. Thank you, Rich. 01:54:28.335 --> 01:54:30.095 All right, Rich. Thanks so much, man. Have a great night. 01:54:30.210 --> 01:54:42.930 Have a good night. Alright, everybody. Welcome back from our interview with Rich Cohen, the author of Pee Wee's. And if you don't have the book already, I highly recommend you go buy it and read it or download it and listen to it. 01:54:42.930 --> 01:54:43.490 Listen to it. 01:54:43.490 --> 01:54:44.130 You can listen to 01:54:44.130 --> 01:54:44.370 it too. You 01:54:44.915 --> 01:54:49.875 don't have to necessarily read it, but you could tell people you read it even when you listen to it. 01:54:53.155 --> 01:54:54.035 Yeah, I guess. 01:54:54.035 --> 01:55:00.410 Yes. No. It's it's, it's funny. I I I listened to it again before we 01:55:00.410 --> 01:55:02.730 had question. You would never say 01:55:02.890 --> 01:55:07.930 I can hear Jimmy. I can hear Jimmy. It's Glassman, the Pips. 01:55:07.930 --> 01:55:11.610 You you if you actually read it, you would never say I listened to it. 01:55:15.105 --> 01:55:16.385 I consumed it. 01:55:16.625 --> 01:55:18.145 There you go. There it is. 01:55:18.145 --> 01:55:22.625 I consumed it. The book, which just sounds weird because it sounds like I ate it. 01:55:22.625 --> 01:55:25.345 That's true. Anyway, enough of that stuff. 01:55:25.345 --> 01:55:31.550 Anyway, the book is really good. So I I listened to it again before our interview with him. It's it's so good. 01:55:31.550 --> 01:55:32.110 It's so good. 01:55:32.110 --> 01:55:38.190 It's I mean, again, you hockey parents, if you have not read or listened or consumed the book Pee Wee's 01:55:38.270 --> 01:55:38.510 Yep. 01:55:38.590 --> 01:55:46.505 We highly recommend it. It is you will find yourself smiling and giggling to yourself while you're reading or listening. 01:55:46.505 --> 01:56:02.660 Totally. And it was one of the parts that really stick out about the interview was when he when he was you know, I I don't know if it was like one part, but like at at some point, like, he's chronicling like, you know, his kid's journey and then it's like, it's really a lot about, you know, parenting. 01:56:02.660 --> 01:56:03.380 Oh But, 01:56:04.900 --> 01:56:17.155 just just how like he even said himself, like, would like be there like before a game while his kids getting dressed or whatever and he sees parents down there like doing their like crazy hockey parenting. 01:56:17.155 --> 01:56:18.115 Parent stuff. 01:56:18.595 --> 01:56:29.070 And he would look at them and judge them and like all those things and the moment the puck dropped, up there doing the same thing. The same guy, yeah. I think we can all relate to that, 01:56:29.070 --> 01:56:39.504 you know. There's no question about it, most of us can, right? Mean, all it's true. We always make fun of the guy who's doing that and then you turn into him and you're like, oh shit. That's where the self awareness comes in. 01:56:39.665 --> 01:56:41.185 Yeah. Well Or lack thereof. 01:56:41.185 --> 01:56:51.940 I really try to keep myself on mute. Not that I feel like don't even fight it. You know what I mean? Like when I'm at games, I honestly I never find myself wanting to like yell and scream and like I 01:56:51.940 --> 01:56:52.180 don't yell 01:56:52.180 --> 01:56:53.220 and that's not even like 01:56:53.380 --> 01:56:54.100 I don't. 01:56:54.100 --> 01:57:01.300 Remote. Sometimes if there's like a like a bad call or whatever, like Right. You'll see me like, I'll throw my hand up in the you know a funny story. 01:57:01.300 --> 01:57:02.180 You mean for like a penalty before? 01:57:02.180 --> 01:57:10.155 A penalty? Yeah. Yeah. So I think I told this on the pod before, but when like last not this past season, the season before. It was early on. 01:57:10.155 --> 01:57:17.755 We were at a tournament. It was very early on. Very beginning of the season. We're at a tournament up in, where's the Tim Hortons, rank? Buffalo? 01:57:19.100 --> 01:57:21.340 No. No? No. Not Buffalo? 01:57:21.340 --> 01:57:23.900 No. No Buffalo, Tim Hortons? It it No. 01:57:23.900 --> 01:57:24.860 We're in Rochester. 01:57:25.020 --> 01:57:26.940 It's the it's at Tim Hortons rink? 01:57:27.100 --> 01:57:28.700 There's Tim Hortons that's something to do with it. 01:57:28.700 --> 01:57:29.260 Okay. Got it. 01:57:29.260 --> 01:57:30.460 It was Rochester. I'm pretty sure. 01:57:30.460 --> 01:57:31.825 Okay. Nor yeah. They're looking state New 01:57:31.825 --> 01:57:32.065 York Yeah. 01:57:32.065 --> 01:57:34.145 Yeah. Company. Yeah. So that makes sense. Or or are they Canadian. 01:57:34.145 --> 01:57:37.585 Canadian company. Canadians. They came down into The US. 01:57:37.585 --> 01:57:38.945 Yeah. But it's, I mean, close enough 01:57:38.945 --> 01:57:43.185 when you're up there. North in The United States. They don't have a They don't have any by us, do they? 01:57:43.425 --> 01:57:46.650 One's one's opening I think one's was opening up in the city. 01:57:46.650 --> 01:57:50.570 But they're just coming here now is coming. I think just now. Like, they're down from from up north. 01:57:50.570 --> 01:57:59.530 But it's like this I don't I don't know. I I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say, and I'm sure people are gonna, like, be up in arms about it. But it reminds me of, like, it's like the the Canadian equivalent of Dunkin' Donuts. 01:57:59.690 --> 01:58:00.570 I thought so too. 01:58:00.885 --> 01:58:03.044 Like, I'm not saying one's better and 01:58:03.205 --> 01:58:04.805 like and breakfast y stuff. No? 01:58:04.805 --> 01:58:11.045 Yeah. I haven't been to one in a long time. You know what? They have one in Penn Station, or they used to before they redid it. Yeah. 01:58:11.045 --> 01:58:12.084 A 100% they did. 01:58:12.085 --> 01:58:16.005 I see them a lot upstate, like, Buffalo Yeah. Area. Right? 01:58:16.005 --> 01:58:16.325 Canada. 01:58:16.410 --> 01:58:26.410 I know there's one in the, there's one attached to the Leecom Harbor Center, the Marriott, Leecom Harbor Center in in Downtown Buffalo. Yep. Highly recommend you stay there if you're playing in Buffalo, by way. 01:58:26.410 --> 01:58:29.290 Downtown. Yeah. Anywhere you go, Jamie recommends downtown. 01:58:29.290 --> 01:58:29.770 I do. 01:58:29.770 --> 01:58:30.170 I know. 01:58:30.170 --> 01:58:30.970 Fuck yeah. I do. 01:58:30.970 --> 01:58:32.010 Downtown kind of guy. 01:58:32.010 --> 01:58:32.935 I do. Speaking of 01:58:33.175 --> 01:58:34.135 Wait. Hold. Let me just finish what I 01:58:34.135 --> 01:58:34.775 was gonna say before. 01:58:34.775 --> 01:58:39.335 My bad. Seriously. My bad. You know, it's the it's the rink where, oh, now 01:58:39.655 --> 01:58:41.575 Oh, right. You're talking about Rochester. Timberwolves rink. 01:58:41.575 --> 01:58:45.335 No. But it's all the same rinks are, Bishop Kearney, plays out of. 01:58:45.335 --> 01:58:47.415 Oh, BK. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 01:58:47.655 --> 01:59:02.645 Anyway, so we were at that rank and it was way early on and I was like, you know, keeping to myself and I was like on the other side of the rink and Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. And so you can imagine if I'm like on one end and we had parents on the team on the other end, but like opposite sides. So Right. 01:59:02.645 --> 01:59:03.045 Looking at 01:59:03.045 --> 01:59:03.685 you You're staring 01:59:03.685 --> 01:59:08.965 at them. Like like from like, you know Across the the ice. Yeah. And it was so They 01:59:08.965 --> 01:59:10.885 were in the other opposite end all the 01:59:10.885 --> 01:59:13.365 way across. So so we could see each other through the glass But 01:59:13.365 --> 01:59:13.845 far away. 01:59:13.845 --> 01:59:19.070 Right. But anyway, so the play is like it's like coming towards me. Yeah. And there was like a penalty. 01:59:19.150 --> 01:59:19.470 Right. 01:59:19.470 --> 01:59:23.070 And the ref hadn't and immediately I threw my arm up like this. 01:59:23.070 --> 01:59:26.190 Yeah. And You saw another dad across the way. 01:59:26.190 --> 01:59:34.155 And so then like it was like a moment or two later than the ref throws his his arm up and the Dads were saying, he's like, you totally got the ref to call the penalty. 01:59:34.155 --> 01:59:38.475 Oh, yeah. We're we're watching Yeah. Right. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. 01:59:38.955 --> 01:59:40.315 Listen. You influenced the game. 01:59:40.315 --> 01:59:43.195 But so but that said, like that's what I would Probably shouldn't 01:59:43.195 --> 01:59:43.515 be a thing. 01:59:44.120 --> 01:59:45.640 No. But all 01:59:45.640 --> 01:59:47.480 the time. When people start yelling 01:59:47.560 --> 01:59:48.440 But that's the kind of stuff that 01:59:48.440 --> 01:59:49.320 puts his arm up. 01:59:49.320 --> 01:59:53.400 But that's the kind of thing I would do. Like, I'm I never really got big into yelling and 01:59:53.560 --> 01:59:57.160 Do you know what else I noticed? But speaking of like a delayed call from a ref. 01:59:57.285 --> 01:59:57.845 Yeah. What? 01:59:57.845 --> 02:00:07.285 What I noticed from Dom's first year at hitting with our first year at Bantam, I noticed that when, sometimes when a kid gets hit 02:00:07.445 --> 02:00:09.285 Only if he gets hurt, they call a penalty? 02:00:09.285 --> 02:00:10.565 When he doesn't get up 02:00:10.700 --> 02:00:11.820 Then they call a penalty. 02:00:11.820 --> 02:00:15.500 Immediately. Sometimes in arm not all the time, sometimes. 02:00:15.500 --> 02:00:16.140 That's bullshit. 02:00:16.140 --> 02:00:24.460 Of course it is. It's a like, you're like, dude, like, you didn't call like, you weren't gonna call it. Yeah. But you see because the kid's staying down. I gotta tell you, sometimes kids stay down. 02:00:24.700 --> 02:00:25.340 Right. Right. 02:00:25.340 --> 02:00:31.445 Exactly. Because it's that We all know that kid. That kid who just whenever he gets hit he doesn't get up. Right. Right? 02:00:31.445 --> 02:00:42.930 Then the coach has to walk across the ice. Yeah. Or the coach is like, Johnny, go fucking get the kid. You know, like the assistant coach because they're like, I'm not fucking walking across the ice with this kid again. We all know that kid. 02:00:43.090 --> 02:00:45.570 Know what I mean? Especially when you're younger, the kid that goes down. 02:00:45.570 --> 02:00:46.370 Most definitely yeah. 02:00:46.370 --> 02:00:50.530 And he's fine, he's always fine. For the most part. 02:00:50.610 --> 02:00:50.850 For the 02:00:50.850 --> 02:00:56.125 most part. Yes, for the most part he's always fine but yeah. But yeah. Yeah. No. 02:00:56.125 --> 02:00:57.965 It's a that's funny. So you influenced the game. 02:00:58.285 --> 02:00:59.325 I believe so. 02:00:59.325 --> 02:01:00.685 Yeah. Sounds like you did. 02:01:00.685 --> 02:01:03.165 Yeah. But why did we even talk about that? 02:01:03.165 --> 02:01:03.565 Why I 02:01:03.565 --> 02:01:05.005 think why do I think to mention that? 02:01:05.485 --> 02:01:06.445 I'm not sure. Were talking 02:01:06.605 --> 02:01:07.085 with Rich Cohen? 02:01:07.085 --> 02:01:09.570 I was gonna say, were talking about Rich Cohen. You know, why we went off 02:01:09.730 --> 02:01:11.650 We were talking about yelling and we're that was when 02:01:12.130 --> 02:01:13.490 Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, right. 02:01:13.490 --> 02:01:16.210 Because because Rich was saying how how he turns into that lunatic. 02:01:16.210 --> 02:01:17.330 Yeah. Yeah. A 100%. 02:01:17.330 --> 02:01:17.890 Yeah. Yeah. 02:01:17.890 --> 02:01:19.249 No. That's definitely not me. 02:01:19.570 --> 02:01:37.850 Me neither, by the way. I I don't do that. I I say very little. I'll be standing around other, hockey parents up in the stands, and I I don't say like, I'll give, like, a shoot, you know, like or if somebody gets tripping like trip, but I don't like yell it. I just say it Yeah. 02:01:37.850 --> 02:01:38.410 Out loud. 02:01:38.410 --> 02:01:39.690 I'm not overly vocal. 02:01:39.690 --> 02:01:40.410 No. Me neither. 02:01:40.410 --> 02:01:42.330 No. I keep to myself. Quiet. Quieter. 02:01:42.330 --> 02:01:44.410 You still putting on your earphones in the corner? 02:01:44.410 --> 02:01:46.570 I haven't been, I haven't been at a game recently. 02:01:46.815 --> 02:01:47.295 Gotcha. But 02:01:47.295 --> 02:01:48.095 if I was at a game 02:01:48.415 --> 02:01:49.135 That's I'd I'd 02:01:49.135 --> 02:01:49.935 I'd on my earphones. 02:01:49.935 --> 02:01:50.495 But you would? 02:01:50.495 --> 02:01:51.055 100%. 02:01:51.055 --> 02:01:53.295 Oh, so you still do that? Yeah. Interesting. 02:01:53.295 --> 02:01:54.495 Yeah. Listen You're like a loner in 02:01:54.495 --> 02:01:55.055 the corner. 02:01:55.055 --> 02:01:58.495 No. I don't even go in the corner. I'll do it in like I'll sit in this stand in the stands. 02:01:58.495 --> 02:01:59.215 Oh, do you? 02:01:59.215 --> 02:02:06.200 Yeah. Put up my hood and put in my ear pods and then I'll listen to like Metallica. Interesting. Specifically, Injustice For All. 02:02:06.440 --> 02:02:07.960 Oh, you just let that keep playing? 02:02:07.960 --> 02:02:13.080 Yeah. Just listen to it. On the loop? Well, I mean, it it usually get through the whole album and then a little bit. 02:02:13.080 --> 02:02:14.280 Oh, you'll do the whole album? 02:02:14.280 --> 02:02:15.720 Yeah. Just play from the beginning to the end. 02:02:15.720 --> 02:02:20.825 Oh, no shit. No. Okay. Did and does it does it finish perfectly with the end of the game? 02:02:20.825 --> 02:02:23.065 No. No? No. But I actually 02:02:23.225 --> 02:02:24.745 What's longer? The game or the album? 02:02:24.905 --> 02:02:39.990 The game is longer than the album. If I wait, wait. No. Well, that's a good question because on Spotify, have like a remix, like master, like mastered remix and then it goes into no. Like When I would listen to like Lincoln Park, the Lincoln Park album would always finish before the game ended. 02:02:40.150 --> 02:02:43.825 You listen to some heavy shit. Lincoln Park, Metallica. 02:02:43.825 --> 02:02:44.545 Yeah. I like that. 02:02:44.545 --> 02:02:45.265 Heavy earth. I like 02:02:45.265 --> 02:02:46.385 heavier stuff. Was so funny. 02:02:46.385 --> 02:02:47.505 You still like that stuff. 02:02:47.505 --> 02:02:51.265 I still like that stuff. Yeah. Do. So but I don't I don't listen to it all the time. No? 02:02:51.505 --> 02:02:54.580 No. Like, the we're listening to, like, Dave Matthews and like 02:02:54.820 --> 02:02:55.460 Oh, that's 02:02:55.460 --> 02:02:56.900 a big difference. Jack Johnson. 02:02:56.900 --> 02:03:00.580 Oh, they were gonna say Janet Jackson. I was like, no. No. We're 02:03:01.060 --> 02:03:02.340 listening to the Jackson five. 02:03:03.060 --> 02:03:04.500 Okay. Jackson five, good. 02:03:04.500 --> 02:03:10.585 Yeah. But then Yeah. Yeah. So that we, you know, wanna get in the car. Everyone like, you know, not all the time, but like, know, take a turn on what to listen. 02:03:10.585 --> 02:03:13.865 Like Noah was like, oh, let's listen to Jackson five. And I was like, I don't 02:03:13.865 --> 02:03:14.025 really care. 02:03:14.025 --> 02:03:16.105 Jack's not good. Let's just like listen to whatever. 02:03:16.105 --> 02:03:16.745 Right. A 02:03:16.745 --> 02:03:17.865 b c. It's a great 02:03:17.865 --> 02:03:20.985 song. Easy as one. It's great song. They were tremendous by the way. Tremendous. 02:03:21.060 --> 02:03:24.420 Oh, speaking of Michael Jackson's got a thing out on Netflix. Did you see it? 02:03:24.660 --> 02:03:26.100 Yeah. No. I didn't watch Did it 02:03:26.100 --> 02:03:28.020 come out yet or it's or it's coming out this Tuesday? 02:03:28.020 --> 02:03:29.060 I'm not sure. But I know 02:03:29.060 --> 02:03:30.180 it's coming out. I saw it on 02:03:30.180 --> 02:03:31.140 the I'm kinda interested. 02:03:31.140 --> 02:03:32.260 I am too. I'd be curious to hear that. 02:03:32.260 --> 02:03:32.900 I heard the Rafa 02:03:33.060 --> 02:03:33.300 is good. 02:03:33.380 --> 02:03:35.220 The Rafa Nadal documentary is good. 02:03:35.700 --> 02:03:36.420 Oh, really? 02:03:36.420 --> 02:03:36.660 Yeah. 02:03:37.035 --> 02:03:38.635 Oh, okay. Oh, I'd watch that. 02:03:38.635 --> 02:03:43.035 But so we're in the car it was my turn to play music. 02:03:43.115 --> 02:03:44.555 So that's what guys do? You guys take turns 02:03:44.555 --> 02:03:51.460 to trolling Sometimes. It depends on everyone's mood. Got it. And so I was like, oh, I got something that everyone is going to 02:03:51.300 --> 02:03:52.500 The whole family's in the car? 02:03:52.660 --> 02:03:54.900 No. This was, no. Orly wasn't in the car. 02:03:54.980 --> 02:03:55.780 Just you and the kids? 02:03:55.780 --> 02:04:00.420 Just me and the kids. Last time Orly was in the car, put on Method Man. Wow. And just to 02:04:00.580 --> 02:04:01.140 Okay. 02:04:01.220 --> 02:04:03.300 They were no one except for me was really feeling it. 02:04:03.300 --> 02:04:03.940 Not surprised? 02:04:03.940 --> 02:04:08.955 No. Not surprised at all? Never. Yeah. But I put on, I put on Slipknot. 02:04:12.235 --> 02:04:14.955 And then the the opening, there's a song called Duality. 02:04:14.955 --> 02:04:15.595 Okay. 02:04:15.595 --> 02:04:27.040 And the opening the opening line is, something along something like I put I stick Oh, now I feel like an idiot that I'm messing up. It's like I I something about sticking his fingers in his eyes. 02:04:27.200 --> 02:04:27.680 Oh, lovely. 02:04:27.680 --> 02:04:29.920 I stick my Now I gotta look it up. 02:04:29.920 --> 02:04:31.760 I was gonna say. That's lovely by the way. 02:04:31.760 --> 02:04:36.125 Yeah. Otto Otto was like, no. No. We're turning this off because I would make him listen to it sometimes. 02:04:36.125 --> 02:04:38.765 Right. Do it. That's actually pretty funny. That's actually pretty funny. 02:04:38.765 --> 02:04:42.125 But I went to a Slipknot concert by myself actually, not too long ago. 02:04:42.125 --> 02:04:47.245 When are you going to that didn't you mention when we did the, you did Otto's going to a hockey tournament? Is it this weekend? 02:04:47.760 --> 02:04:49.760 Yeah. This weekend. Slip not playing? 02:04:49.760 --> 02:04:51.520 Dominic was invited to the exact same hockey tournament. 02:04:51.520 --> 02:04:54.720 So is he gonna come? No. Why not? Yeah. There you go. 02:04:54.720 --> 02:04:56.640 I pushed my finger into my eyes. That's what it is. 02:04:56.640 --> 02:04:57.600 That's what it's lovely. 02:04:57.600 --> 02:05:03.305 Yeah. But look, I pushed my fingers into my eyes. It's the only thing that slowly stops the ache. 02:05:05.385 --> 02:05:07.705 You listen to such lovely music, Scott. 02:05:07.705 --> 02:05:11.225 Listen, I and whatever. I enjoy the song. It's a good pop up song. 02:05:11.225 --> 02:05:12.105 You like Slipknot. 02:05:12.105 --> 02:05:15.780 Have you ever listened to this song? No. It's a good pump up song. Yeah? Yeah. 02:05:15.780 --> 02:05:16.180 Totally. 02:05:16.180 --> 02:05:18.820 I'm gonna give a hard pass to that one. 02:05:18.820 --> 02:05:23.540 Yeah. I listened to it on the way home. Yeah. Indoctrinate you to Slipknot. No. 02:05:23.540 --> 02:05:24.500 No? Okay. 02:05:24.500 --> 02:05:27.705 You know, you listen to heavier stuff than I do. I was I was never like a 02:05:27.705 --> 02:05:29.865 big fan. But that's not the only stuff that like I was telling you, like, I I don't 02:05:29.945 --> 02:05:31.785 Then you said Dave Matthews, which is 02:05:31.785 --> 02:05:32.905 like a one 02:05:32.905 --> 02:05:34.025 eighty from Slipknot. 02:05:34.025 --> 02:05:35.385 Jack Johnson, we were listening to 02:05:35.625 --> 02:05:36.425 Another one eighty. 02:05:36.425 --> 02:05:37.625 Yeah. You know who I actually like? 02:05:37.625 --> 02:05:37.945 Who? 02:05:37.945 --> 02:05:47.090 That that spitting chicklets, biz is like big into. The is it I think they're I don't know if they're Irish or English, it's called Tenfe. 02:05:47.490 --> 02:05:47.890 Okay. 02:05:47.890 --> 02:05:51.090 T e n, second word is f e. Tenfe. 02:05:51.090 --> 02:05:51.650 I don't know them. 02:05:51.650 --> 02:05:52.530 It's chill. 02:05:52.530 --> 02:05:54.774 Is it? Yeah. What kind of music? 02:05:54.935 --> 02:05:58.295 I don't know if it's like kind of folky, a little I don't 02:05:58.295 --> 02:05:59.335 know. Country ish? 02:05:59.335 --> 02:06:03.495 No. No. No. I'm not I'm not like a good like music describer Neither am But 02:06:03.495 --> 02:06:06.775 like Yeah. Yeah. I know I know what you mean. Okay. Interesting. 02:06:06.775 --> 02:06:09.450 10 Fe? 10. Yeah. I don't know. 02:06:09.450 --> 02:06:09.930 Yeah. All that. 02:06:09.930 --> 02:06:16.890 Give me a give me a for instance. Is it like a Blues Travelers? Is it like a Maroon five? Give me I'm just throwing I'm just throwing groups at you. 02:06:16.890 --> 02:06:17.530 Neither. 02:06:17.530 --> 02:06:22.250 Neither. Is it like a Bon Jovi? Is it like a 02:06:23.355 --> 02:06:24.715 Bad medicine. 02:06:24.715 --> 02:06:35.035 Is it like a Billy Joel? Like give me like a like a an example. You're looking it up? You're gonna say what is 10 like? Give me like a for instance. 02:06:35.930 --> 02:06:45.050 It's a London based band whose music falls under alternative indie rock, indie pop, synth pop. What the fuck is synth pop? Because there's some I don't know. 02:06:45.050 --> 02:06:45.770 People just keep making 02:06:45.770 --> 02:06:52.785 sounds out atmospheric synths and urethral guitars. Jesus. I don't know what that means 02:06:52.705 --> 02:06:55.425 But Oh, it's at Fleetwood Mac down there. Hold 02:06:55.425 --> 02:07:01.745 on. Often compared to the mix of the war on drugs and Fleetwood Mac. 02:07:01.745 --> 02:07:06.420 Okay. So it's like Fleetwood Mac. Okay. My brother likes Fleetwood Mac. I'm was never a big fan. 02:07:06.420 --> 02:07:08.419 Yeah. Zach Zach Attack? 02:07:08.900 --> 02:07:09.940 Yeah. He does. 02:07:10.020 --> 02:07:13.060 Yeah. Zach's a man. He used to like Metallica. 02:07:13.540 --> 02:07:14.580 He probably still does. 02:07:14.580 --> 02:07:15.060 Good. 02:07:15.060 --> 02:07:16.180 Yeah. Should. No. He probably still does. 02:07:16.180 --> 02:07:17.460 I'm gonna see Metallica in the sphere. 02:07:18.355 --> 02:07:19.075 In Vegas. 02:07:19.075 --> 02:07:19.395 I'm gonna 02:07:19.395 --> 02:07:20.195 try to go. 02:07:20.275 --> 02:07:21.075 When is it? 02:07:21.795 --> 02:07:22.755 Starts in October. 02:07:22.755 --> 02:07:26.275 Have you been to Vegas? Once. That's it? Yep. Nice. 02:07:26.275 --> 02:07:30.675 Once. Bachelor party? Negative. Tony Robbins. You went to Tony Robbins? 02:07:31.235 --> 02:07:32.595 Yeah. We got we got like a free ticket. 02:07:33.010 --> 02:07:35.330 Got a free ticket to a Tony Robbins convention in Vegas? 02:07:35.330 --> 02:07:35.890 Yeah. 02:07:35.970 --> 02:07:38.690 How'd you do that? My buddy Tony Robbins is great. 02:07:38.690 --> 02:07:49.255 Yeah. I went with my buddy Ron. Shout out Ron. And he had a one of his friends was like in the business of selling like Something. Something. 02:07:49.255 --> 02:07:50.695 And, like, he just got he was able get 02:07:50.695 --> 02:07:51.175 free ticket. 02:07:51.255 --> 02:07:55.175 He got us two tickets to go to, like, some, like, business master class by Tony Robbins. 02:07:55.175 --> 02:07:56.375 Oh, no shit. Where was 02:07:56.375 --> 02:07:56.855 it held? 02:07:56.855 --> 02:07:59.575 Was held at MGM. So stayed at MGM, it was held at MGM. Exactly. 02:07:59.575 --> 02:08:00.135 Yeah. It was great. 02:08:00.135 --> 02:08:01.095 Okay. How long were you there for? 02:08:02.620 --> 02:08:05.420 Couple days. You like it? Yeah. I thought it was great. 02:08:05.420 --> 02:08:08.700 How long ago? Long time? 02:08:09.260 --> 02:08:10.540 Maybe like ten, 02:08:10.540 --> 02:08:11.820 eight Oh, ten. Years ago. 02:08:11.820 --> 02:08:13.020 Gotcha. Maybe at this point. 02:08:13.020 --> 02:08:15.020 Alright. No. MGM's nice. 02:08:15.020 --> 02:08:15.625 Yeah. It was good. 02:08:15.625 --> 02:08:16.345 Yeah. Was a it 02:08:16.345 --> 02:08:18.185 was a good it was a good thing to, like, go check out. 02:08:18.185 --> 02:08:20.105 Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. No. 02:08:20.105 --> 02:08:21.305 Vegas is fun. 02:08:21.305 --> 02:08:22.745 Now my buddy Ron lives there. 02:08:23.385 --> 02:08:30.940 Does he? Yeah. Listen. I I'm not surprised actually to hear that because the outskirts of Vegas are are exploding. Yes. 02:08:30.940 --> 02:08:36.860 And everything looks brand new, and it's it's nice. Yeah. I what. It's fucking hot there in the summer, dude. 02:08:36.860 --> 02:08:37.820 I can only imagine. 02:08:37.820 --> 02:08:45.885 Dude, I was there. I would Yeah. Dominic played the Oh, the pre break? The pre break in Vegas. Was It like right after Killer. 02:08:45.965 --> 02:08:49.245 After the fourth of July. I think was the week after fourth of July. 02:08:49.245 --> 02:08:52.525 Dude, it was Like you can't you can't stay outside. 02:08:52.685 --> 02:09:03.210 It was I know they all say like, oh, it's dry heat. I don't give a fuck how dry it is. It's hot as fuck. When it's a 118 degrees, you don't give a shit if it's dry or moist. 02:09:03.210 --> 02:09:15.235 But you listen, if you were if if you went between the two, you would notice a difference and you would care. I'm I if you were in a 100% humidity and it was a 100 degrees I versus 100 degrees and dry. 02:09:15.235 --> 02:09:22.915 I'm assuming I would just be dripping as opposed to not dripping. But I have to tell you, regardless of whether it's dry or not, it's fucking hot. 02:09:22.915 --> 02:09:23.715 Yeah. No doubt. 02:09:23.715 --> 02:09:26.035 Like, are misters, like, on the street. 02:09:26.360 --> 02:09:29.640 I thought when you said misters, thought you were talking about like men. 02:09:30.120 --> 02:09:37.480 No. No. Not not misters like men. Misters like apparatus to throw like water into the air. 02:09:37.480 --> 02:09:37.960 Oh. 02:09:37.960 --> 02:09:52.725 Yeah. And can I tell you like when you when you go when you go to the pool like, you cannot take I was telling a story yesterday? It's so funny. Don't how this came out yesterday. But you cannot take off like your flip flops because the by your chair and walk barefoot down It's 02:09:52.725 --> 02:09:53.205 too hot. 02:09:53.365 --> 02:09:58.720 Because it's too hot. Yeah. You will burn the shit out of the bottom of your feet. I have to tell you, even even in a pool I 02:09:58.720 --> 02:10:04.000 could have way worse problems than being concerned about whether my feet are gonna get burned on my way into a pool in Vegas. 02:10:04.480 --> 02:10:10.195 I mean, okay, fine. But my point is is that I'll say this. Our buddy Chris Volmer and 02:10:10.195 --> 02:10:10.675 I Yeah. 02:10:10.755 --> 02:10:16.675 When we were there for the for the pre break in, in Vegas, I think it was called Kings of Vegas if I'm not mistaken. 02:10:16.835 --> 02:10:17.795 That sounds right. 02:10:17.795 --> 02:10:29.100 Yeah. Because I think Dom still has a sticker somewhere in his room. But and I gotta tell you, I I flew our I flew our Pacific Rink bag there, no problems. Zero problems. I think travel's like a fucking rock star. 02:10:29.100 --> 02:10:30.620 The the Pacific Rink hockey bag, like 02:10:30.620 --> 02:10:31.180 Rockstar's travel. 02:10:31.180 --> 02:10:34.780 We've taken that thing all over the place. What? Yeah. Anyway, go on. But yeah. 02:10:34.780 --> 02:10:39.855 So so we're sitting in the in Caesars in the in the water. 02:10:40.175 --> 02:10:42.175 And Caesar really live here? 02:10:42.175 --> 02:10:47.535 Does Caesar live here? He's like, this is she's like, no. He's like, oh, I didn't think so. 02:10:48.840 --> 02:10:54.440 Where's your bank of pay phones? I actually it was so funny. So when I when I was at when we're there with 02:10:54.440 --> 02:10:58.040 the Not getting a sig of my beeper. That's what he says to her. 02:11:01.160 --> 02:11:06.475 Between two ferns is so funny. Anyway, I love the one with Jennifer Lawrence, and she basically 02:11:07.275 --> 02:11:10.075 Oh, when he was interviewing her? Yeah. And She's so mean 02:11:10.075 --> 02:11:15.755 to him, dude. I know, he goes you said to her, see, she goes, you shouldn't say that. That's off putting. And she goes She 02:11:15.915 --> 02:11:17.355 She goes, you should be off putting. 02:11:17.970 --> 02:11:20.850 You're fat. So cute. He's like, I 02:11:20.850 --> 02:11:26.130 know. He's like, I know what you're saying. I know. She's like, you should be off footing. You're 02:11:26.610 --> 02:11:26.930 fat. 02:11:26.930 --> 02:11:32.065 Because you're fat. He's like, I know what it means. Yeah. He She was she 02:11:32.065 --> 02:11:36.705 was Dude, I have I'll have a Yeah. So funny. Yeah. No. He's good. 02:11:36.705 --> 02:11:47.070 Yeah. Anyway Yeah. But I have a picture of myself. So when we're at the pool like at one of like near one of their bathrooms over there, they still had a pay phone. Right. 02:11:47.230 --> 02:11:52.110 So I have a picture of myself on a pay phone and In Vegas? Yeah. Just because we were thinking about the Yeah. 02:11:52.350 --> 02:11:57.085 Yeah. That's funny actually that they pay phones. But yeah, don't go there in July. No. Anyway. 02:11:57.085 --> 02:11:58.685 Highly recommend you don't do that. 02:11:58.925 --> 02:12:04.205 Yeah. But Yeah. Oh, so we have a poof, NHL. 02:12:04.445 --> 02:12:11.020 We do. Can I get something before we get to the NHL? So I I don't wanna this. Would you? So our friend Keith Mondillo 02:12:11.260 --> 02:12:11.980 Yes. Who we had 02:12:11.980 --> 02:12:15.900 on Episode sixty seven? 02:12:15.900 --> 02:12:16.860 Sixty something. 02:12:16.860 --> 02:12:39.800 Something like that. So so our buddy Keith Mondillo is a division three basketball coach and he's also the athletic director, of a school in the Philly area. So Keith is really good as far as like recruiting, you should go check out his stuff, keithmondillo.com. He's got a lot of really good stuff about like recruiting and college athletes, stuff like that. But he's been following this five for five rule, okay? 02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:44.120 Which the five for five rule was what episode was he, Scott? 02:12:44.120 --> 02:12:45.320 He was He was 67. 02:12:45.320 --> 02:12:50.040 Yeah, think so too. So Keith Six seven. Six so he's been following this five for five rule. 02:12:50.115 --> 02:12:52.595 I can't believe I just said that. Yeah. Know. You should shoot me. 02:12:52.595 --> 02:13:04.835 So the the five for five rule was saying that your eligibility clock Yeah. Starts Nineteen. When you graduate high school Mhmm. Or the 02:13:05.330 --> 02:13:06.610 Your nineteenth birthday. 02:13:06.690 --> 02:13:28.615 It's the academic school year after your nineteenth birthday, whichever comes first. That was the original thought on it. Okay? So we were talking about how it was giving it was it was there were issues, right, with junior hockey, right, and people taking gap years or prep years. So apparently, it was just revised. 02:13:29.735 --> 02:13:49.230 So the new rule says that your eligibility clock starts when you enroll in college. Okay? Mhmm. Or the the start of the school year after your nineteenth birthday. 02:13:49.625 --> 02:13:50.745 You just said that. No? 02:13:50.745 --> 02:13:52.585 No. Oh. What I said at first was 02:13:52.825 --> 02:13:53.625 Oh, the difference. 02:13:53.625 --> 02:13:54.825 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got you. Got you. 02:13:54.825 --> 02:13:58.185 Got The difference is the the nineteenth birthday part is still there. 02:13:58.185 --> 02:13:58.425 Mhmm. 02:13:58.425 --> 02:14:22.205 What changed is if you graduate if you graduate high school as an as an 18 year old, it doesn't start right then. Okay? It starts when you enroll in college on campus. Okay? Or the school year after the start of the academic school year after your nineteenth birthday, again, whichever comes first. 02:14:22.285 --> 02:14:22.845 Okay. 02:14:22.845 --> 02:14:57.975 So apparently, hockey went to war with the NCAA when this came out. And they said and and apparently, there were apparently, like, the USHL commissioner, Glenn Heffern, who we have had on this podcast, and the NAHL, the commissioner, like and apparently, all the commissioners from all the hockey conferences, like, signed letters and went after the NCAA, like, big time. Keith said that they went after them big time about how this is not gonna work and this is gonna crush junior hockey. So now you have a little bit of a window. Okay? 02:14:58.615 --> 02:15:07.270 So it's not as aggressive of a start for hockey players as it was gonna be. It's still aggressive, but it's not as aggressive. Right? 02:15:07.270 --> 02:15:09.190 Okay. Well, that's that's good. 02:15:09.190 --> 02:15:33.350 Right. So so but again But your clock will start. Okay, when you when you enroll in college or the the start of the school year after your nineteenth birthday. Your clock will start, period, end of story, there's nothing you can do to stop it. So it's up to you on how many prep years, how many gap years, how many juniors years you play. 02:15:33.350 --> 02:15:54.905 Right? So for like, for Dominic, for instance, Dominic's gonna graduate high school because I'm holding out because he's doing two eighth grade years. Dominic is gonna graduate high school as a 19 year old. So Dominic's window, if he wanted to play college hockey, will start the the start of the school year after his his nineteenth birthday. 02:15:54.905 --> 02:15:55.465 Okay. 02:15:55.465 --> 02:16:02.140 So when Dom graduates in May, whatever it is, May, June in high school, the window will start that following year. 02:16:02.380 --> 02:16:07.340 So if he were to play junior, then he's just losing eligibility on So at NCAA. 02:16:07.340 --> 02:16:28.510 Plays one year of juniors. If he goes to if he if he stays and and does four years of high school, right, in a local high school, he'll have one he'll have one year of juniors to go play, and then he'll have four years of eligibility. Or you could leave after your junior year in high school, go play your senior year, and another year 02:16:28.830 --> 02:16:29.390 At junior. 02:16:29.470 --> 02:16:33.150 At juniors, play it. So you get two years of juniors under your belt, and then you go 02:16:33.150 --> 02:16:33.390 Right. 02:16:33.470 --> 02:16:48.645 Play four years, or you'll still have four years of eligibility left. So parents need to know this stuff Right. Because it's gonna affect, you know, prep schools and it's gonna affect colleges and eligibility. There's no more waivers for hardships. There's no more injury waivers. 02:16:48.805 --> 02:17:10.945 There's no more any of that. Your clock is your clock and it's gonna start regardless of whether you're on campus or not. Right? Whether you're enrolled or not, if you if you wait till the start of the academic school year after your nineteenth birthday, your clock starts no matter what, they don't care, you can't go to them and ask for more time, they're getting rid of all that stuff. 02:17:11.425 --> 02:17:11.985 Wow. 02:17:11.985 --> 02:17:15.745 Yeah. So it's changing, college sports is changing and stuff's gonna filter down 02:17:16.000 --> 02:17:16.640 Yeah. It will. 02:17:16.640 --> 02:17:27.439 You know, to division two and division three, and it's it's gonna it's gonna be interesting. So, you know, you guys check out Keith Mondillo. Again, we had him on episode 67. We should have him back on, I was thinking, to talk about the five for five. You think it's my move? 02:17:27.615 --> 02:17:34.655 Yeah. No. I think I think continuing to stay current, stay updated with it, and bring people in that know, know more about it than we do Yeah. Would be helpful. 02:17:34.575 --> 02:17:45.370 Very much on the ball with, with, you know, recruiting and and getting your kid into school if they wanna play college sports. And, again, he's he's on the ball with all stuff. Right. Keith's great. Yeah. 02:17:45.370 --> 02:17:48.971 Go go check out his 67 if you haven't, if you haven't heard it already. 02:17:48.971 --> 02:17:49.130 Yeah. 02:17:49.130 --> 02:17:49.851 Keith's great. 02:17:49.851 --> 02:17:50.570 Sweet, dude. 02:17:50.570 --> 02:17:52.730 Yeah. Good update. Yeah. Sorry. No. 02:17:52.730 --> 02:17:54.170 We're gonna roll to some NHL. 02:17:54.170 --> 02:18:06.035 Oh, yeah. NHL. So we have game six tonight and this man, I would love to see Vegas win just so we get one more game of ice hockey. What do you think about that? 02:18:06.436 --> 02:18:09.315 I I think Vegas will win tonight. 02:18:09.315 --> 02:18:10.195 You do think so? 02:18:10.195 --> 02:18:11.795 I do. I think they'll win tonight 02:18:12.430 --> 02:18:14.910 You think Ichel's gonna like, steal the show? 02:18:15.870 --> 02:18:20.830 I think Vegas wins because they're at home. Okay. I misspoke by the way on our last podcast. 02:18:20.830 --> 02:18:21.470 What'd you say? 02:18:21.470 --> 02:18:24.110 I said that that, that neither team won a home game. 02:18:24.110 --> 02:18:26.271 Oh, you did. I was was watching When 02:18:26.271 --> 02:18:30.695 I got home when I got home, I I was like, what the fuck did I say? I was wrong. They split. 02:18:30.695 --> 02:18:31.176 They split. 02:18:31.176 --> 02:18:36.615 They both split at home. I don't know why I said that. When I got home, I'm like, holy fuck them. Did I did I really say that? 02:18:36.615 --> 02:18:39.575 You can just make stuff up. Doesn't Apparently not. Yeah. Make stuff Apparently, 02:18:39.575 --> 02:18:40.535 could just say whatever I want. 02:18:40.535 --> 02:18:43.980 Well, you can. Yeah. You Yeah. Can. You're clearly 02:18:44.141 --> 02:18:48.541 You do. Clearly, I do. Yeah. So sorry. I I stay corrected. 02:18:49.580 --> 02:18:56.245 So I think that I think Vegas is gonna win tonight, but I have to tell you, the Hurricanes goalie, the new Bussy. 02:18:56.325 --> 02:18:59.605 I gotta tell What a story, man. A story. Not to cheer for this dude. 02:18:59.605 --> 02:19:02.165 Shit. They put a 111 AHL games. 02:19:02.165 --> 02:19:03.045 Unreal. I 02:19:03.045 --> 02:19:10.965 mean, the guys talk about like a I don't wanna say journeyman, but talk about we always talk about like a different path. Holy crap. Yep. That guy's path's ridiculous. 02:19:11.130 --> 02:19:12.970 No doubt. He just didn't give up. 02:19:12.970 --> 02:19:14.570 He just kept cranking, man. 02:19:14.570 --> 02:19:21.530 And and yeah. And it comes back to like, you know, when you're not giving up because why? Why are you not giving up? Now he's giving up. You probably gotta love it, don't you? 02:19:21.530 --> 02:19:22.490 You do have to love it. 02:19:22.490 --> 02:19:23.130 You gotta love it. 02:19:23.130 --> 02:19:24.330 Doug Christians just says all the time. 02:19:24.605 --> 02:19:26.686 Otherwise, you're gonna move on to different pastures. 02:19:26.686 --> 02:19:26.926 Right. 02:19:26.926 --> 02:19:36.926 And that's like what even when talked to Zachariah Thomas when he was playing in that league and he was just saying like, I'm playing with like men that have families and they love it. It was clear they loved it more than I did. 02:19:36.926 --> 02:19:39.006 Yeah. Yeah. No. That was pretty eye opening for him. 02:19:39.006 --> 02:19:39.245 Yeah. 02:19:39.245 --> 02:19:42.720 You know? I think Pat Shea had the realization of that too when he was playing in the 02:19:42.960 --> 02:19:58.495 Didn't you get the the sense from him that it was like, that he well, yes. But I I it had to do with, like, how he had to take on a different role at Maine. And then he said when he after he finished up and he was out, then he like, you know, it just like, f it. Yeah. I'm gonna play my game. 02:19:58.495 --> 02:19:59.375 I'm gonna go do my thing. 02:19:59.375 --> 02:20:03.375 And and he started to enjoy it more, but I think that some ships might have sailed by like, you know 02:20:03.615 --> 02:20:04.575 By then, yeah. 02:20:04.575 --> 02:20:05.615 I forget exactly why. 02:20:05.615 --> 02:20:15.500 But Yeah. But you could see he maybe wasn't I think he actually said on on our on our podcast in the interview. He said like, you know, he's like, it was always the dream to get to the NHL. He's like, but was it my dream? 02:20:15.580 --> 02:20:15.819 Or 02:20:15.819 --> 02:20:17.101 was it somebody else's dream? 02:20:17.979 --> 02:20:30.075 Well, look. I know, but that's also kinda like society too a little bit. Right? Because like you always see you see commercials of like little kids dreaming of being in game seven Sure. You know, whatever series and like, you know. 02:20:30.154 --> 02:20:43.380 So that's oh, you know, that's just the way also kids talk about like, how many how many kids when you're young and you're playing in the in the, you know, maybe it's different now but like, oh man, this is, you know, like, I can't wait to be in juniors. 02:20:43.700 --> 02:20:44.420 Right. Yeah. 02:20:44.420 --> 02:20:51.595 You know, like, I I can't wait to go to Yeah. No, you don't hear that. I can't wait to go to the OHL. Juniors. I can't wait to go play d three club. 02:20:51.755 --> 02:20:52.715 Yeah. Yeah. No. You're right. 02:20:52.715 --> 02:20:55.755 You know, it's always like, I can't wait when I'm in the NHL. 02:20:55.755 --> 02:21:00.475 No. It's true. Listen, it it takes there's a lot of like stick to itiveness that's there. You know, you gotta 02:21:00.715 --> 02:21:15.561 But that's what Zachariah Thomas said also and that's like, you know, part of like the differ, like what what differentiates people is not necessarily the skill on the ice, it's what you got between your ears. It's true. And like the skill is developing your ability to like continue to keep on keep going. 02:21:15.561 --> 02:21:16.761 Yeah. No. It's Keep going. 02:21:16.761 --> 02:21:18.440 A 100 the mental toughness. 02:21:18.440 --> 02:21:22.055 Not easy. No. Definitely not easy. Yeah. Zachariah was a good interview. 02:21:22.055 --> 02:21:23.654 Guys should go listen to episode 70. 02:21:23.654 --> 02:21:26.935 Swift hockey. You'll learn learn a thing or two about hockey sticks. 02:21:26.935 --> 02:21:27.495 Yeah. That was 02:21:27.495 --> 02:21:28.614 cool. That was cool. 02:21:28.614 --> 02:21:38.391 I I was talking yesterday. Was telling you we had a game yesterday. I was talking to, like, the goalie dad, John Mack. And I mentioned to them, so he brought up the interview, right? So he was talking about it. 02:21:38.950 --> 02:21:46.630 I'm like, oh my god, I'm like how funny was the goalie stick party? He's like, dude, how nuts was that? He's like, they put out 200 stakes and they all broke? In like twenty four hours. 02:21:46.630 --> 02:21:46.950 He's like, 02:21:46.950 --> 02:21:52.175 they all just broke? That's nuts by the way. And I'm like and I remember asking Zachary, I'm like, where did they break? He's like 02:21:52.175 --> 02:21:53.854 everywhere. Everywhere and 02:21:54.095 --> 02:21:54.975 And anywhere. 02:21:55.534 --> 02:22:00.335 But then look, then then two years of development, two years later he sent everyone new sticks. 02:22:00.335 --> 02:22:05.511 Which is so stand out by the way. They refunded and sent the new stick. Like, so stand up. 02:22:05.511 --> 02:22:05.750 Yeah. 02:22:05.750 --> 02:22:07.110 Yeah. Cost them a lot of money. 02:22:07.110 --> 02:22:07.351 Yeah. 02:22:07.351 --> 02:22:09.431 Did. But super stand up. That's the right way to do shit. 02:22:09.431 --> 02:22:12.710 No doubt. But I guess just like more to the point is that, like, two years later 02:22:12.870 --> 02:22:13.351 Yeah. 02:22:13.351 --> 02:22:19.524 It's like came through. And it's not like two years later, here's like the bag of chips that we didn't get right. It's like here's a brand new hockey, like goalie stick. 02:22:19.524 --> 02:22:19.845 Right. 02:22:19.845 --> 02:22:20.005 You 02:22:20.005 --> 02:22:31.391 know? You know what that makes me think? When we come out with our CHD merch which is coming soon Oh, good drop. We have to not have it be defective. Why why would what? 02:22:31.391 --> 02:22:32.271 I'm just saying. 02:22:32.271 --> 02:22:34.511 Well, that would be true for anything that you Yeah. 02:22:34.511 --> 02:22:38.751 Yeah. But that's Put our names too. Makes me think of, like, we have to make sure it's not defective gear. 02:22:38.830 --> 02:22:40.591 Yeah. Well, that's that's an important check 02:22:40.591 --> 02:22:41.950 to box. Luckily, we're not doing like 02:22:42.030 --> 02:22:42.830 Or box to check. 02:22:43.096 --> 02:22:43.896 Oh, yeah. That too. 02:22:43.896 --> 02:22:44.775 I said check the box. 02:22:44.775 --> 02:22:48.136 Yeah. I gotcha. It happens. Yeah. 02:22:48.136 --> 02:22:48.775 Yeah. It does. 02:22:48.775 --> 02:22:52.695 Yeah. It does. You know? But, yeah. We have to make sure our gear is not not that defective. 02:22:52.936 --> 02:22:55.495 Yeah. That that's a good good point. Captain Obvious. 02:22:55.495 --> 02:22:57.416 We don't our stuff we don't want our stuff to break. 02:22:57.655 --> 02:23:03.200 No. Listen. When was last time you broke a hat? What planet do you come from? 02:23:03.360 --> 02:23:07.841 I'm trying to think I've ever broken a hat. It depends on the hat. 02:23:08.480 --> 02:23:09.360 I guess. 02:23:09.360 --> 02:23:15.135 Like, I have I have baseball hats. I have the snapbacks, which you know, sometimes you pull too much and this the things pop off. 02:23:15.135 --> 02:23:24.060 Why do you have to adjust it? Your head grows? You fucking get like I mean, that's I'm at the rink and my brain is swelling. It hurts so bad from 02:23:24.060 --> 02:23:25.100 seeing the need shit in the 02:23:26.540 --> 02:23:29.420 to make room for my brain to explode in my hat. 02:23:30.699 --> 02:23:31.819 So alright. So I will say 02:23:31.819 --> 02:23:32.939 this. Yeah. 02:23:32.939 --> 02:23:40.915 I have had to adjust a bunch of my hats because I'm growing my hair out. Okay. And I have actually had to do it recently. I have not broken any of the snaps. Fair. 02:23:40.915 --> 02:23:43.235 But do remember back in the day when you were a kid, you break the snaps? 02:23:43.235 --> 02:23:44.195 Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure. 02:23:44.195 --> 02:23:47.955 Yeah. That's a good point. Why would you break the snap? Why would why or or was it just like a fidget thing that you were just 02:23:48.115 --> 02:23:49.795 when you were a kid. 02:23:49.795 --> 02:23:50.995 Yeah. Because those things broke easily. 02:23:50.995 --> 02:23:54.120 When you get older. I've I've adjust my hats when my hair has gotten shorter in the back. 02:23:54.120 --> 02:23:58.921 Yeah. That that I that I had to do. Yeah. There's no question about that. Growing your hair out is an experience. 02:23:59.480 --> 02:24:01.000 Mean I mean How long are gonna let it grow out? 02:24:01.000 --> 02:24:02.440 Super awkward phase right now. 02:24:02.440 --> 02:24:03.400 But what are you going for? 02:24:03.400 --> 02:24:04.200 I'm not really sure. I'd 02:24:04.200 --> 02:24:05.080 be honest. Yeah. I'm not sure. 02:24:05.080 --> 02:24:10.525 I need the sides to get longer, you know? So I'm I'm it's it's it's a it's a it's a work in progress at the moment. 02:24:10.525 --> 02:24:13.325 Still have a nice thick head of hair. I do. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice. 02:24:13.325 --> 02:24:13.646 You're a 02:24:13.646 --> 02:24:14.205 lucky guy. 02:24:14.205 --> 02:24:14.686 No complaints. 02:24:14.686 --> 02:24:15.565 Not everyone can say that. 02:24:15.565 --> 02:24:22.365 They can't. No. No complaints. You know? My buddy, Matt, he's like he's like he he talks about balding all the time and I'm like, I can't relate. 02:24:22.650 --> 02:24:23.931 I've been using Rogaine. 02:24:23.931 --> 02:24:24.570 Have you? 02:24:24.570 --> 02:24:30.891 Yeah. Come on. I swear to To help with my see how my hat's pulling, like the receding hairline situation here. 02:24:30.891 --> 02:24:32.091 Okay. I mean, listen. 02:24:32.730 --> 02:24:34.410 But I will say, yo, here's a here's a hack. 02:24:34.410 --> 02:24:35.450 But you have a thick head of hair. 02:24:35.450 --> 02:24:37.051 No? It's not and my hair's not very thick. 02:24:37.051 --> 02:24:40.145 It's No. It's it's I mean, it's not bad. 02:24:40.864 --> 02:24:42.625 No. Now I'm getting all messed up here. 02:24:42.625 --> 02:24:44.385 So you're using Rogaine? Should we reach out to Rogaine 02:24:44.385 --> 02:24:44.545 to be 02:24:44.545 --> 02:24:45.425 a No. Sponsor on the 02:24:45.904 --> 02:24:49.744 here no, dude. This is this is the trick and I think I actually think this is working better. 02:24:49.744 --> 02:24:49.984 Right. 02:24:49.984 --> 02:24:51.345 Working better because you get the foam 02:24:51.664 --> 02:24:54.730 You're not gonna get the plugs? What? The plugs? 02:24:54.730 --> 02:24:57.690 Go on like some Hair plugs? Some Turkish like 02:24:57.530 --> 02:24:59.530 Don't they have like implants that they could do? 02:24:59.771 --> 02:25:03.771 Yeah. But that that's like they insert like individual hairs into people's heads. 02:25:03.771 --> 02:25:04.570 That's what I'm talking about. 02:25:04.570 --> 02:25:05.370 Yeah. I'm not doing that. Do you 02:25:05.370 --> 02:25:05.931 need to do 02:25:06.096 --> 02:25:07.615 I don't need to do anything. 02:25:07.615 --> 02:25:11.136 Oh, okay. So is the road game working? I've never used it, so I don't know. 02:25:11.136 --> 02:25:16.176 So so I originally started using the foam, which is just like, you know, like a moose. It's like a moose. 02:25:16.176 --> 02:25:16.415 Okay. 02:25:16.415 --> 02:25:18.976 And like you put it in your for the well, whatever moose. 02:25:18.976 --> 02:25:20.735 And is it supposed to like initiate hair growth? 02:25:20.910 --> 02:25:22.351 Yes. It's to stimulate or whatever it 02:25:22.351 --> 02:25:24.190 does In areas that's not growing? 02:25:24.190 --> 02:25:25.311 No. Only in areas that 02:25:25.470 --> 02:25:28.910 Wait. What was that word? The what? Monoxidil? Monoxidil. 02:25:28.910 --> 02:25:29.790 What's the That's 02:25:30.030 --> 02:25:32.030 the active ingredient in that. Here. 02:25:32.030 --> 02:25:34.110 Yeah. Got it. Learn something every day. 02:25:34.110 --> 02:25:34.271 Yeah. 02:25:34.271 --> 02:25:40.685 There you go, parents and dads. I'm assuming I'm seeing moms that use Rogaine. Yeah. Right. And moms use Rogaine too? 02:25:40.685 --> 02:25:40.925 They can. 02:25:40.925 --> 02:25:41.965 That a product for men? 02:25:41.965 --> 02:25:43.965 It's not just for men because just for men's 02:25:43.965 --> 02:25:51.090 a whole another product. I was just gonna say we just dropped maybe Keith another Hernandez. That's Keith Hernandez. Wait a minute. Just for men. 02:25:51.090 --> 02:25:52.370 That's another product. 02:25:52.530 --> 02:25:53.650 It is just for men. 02:25:53.650 --> 02:25:54.690 And it's a hair product. 02:25:54.690 --> 02:25:57.170 No. It's not just for men. God. I'm getting confused. But isn't just for men a 02:25:57.170 --> 02:25:57.970 hair product as well? 02:25:57.970 --> 02:25:58.931 Yes. It it dyes your 02:25:58.931 --> 02:26:01.650 hair. I'm talking about a robe. A robe. Oh, it dyes your hair. 02:26:01.650 --> 02:26:02.851 Dyes us. Come on. 02:26:02.851 --> 02:26:05.615 I haven't done that, by the way. Well, neither have I. Why do Yeah. Yeah. 02:26:05.615 --> 02:26:10.576 Yeah. Anyway, you got you do different hair care treatments to yourself. 02:26:10.976 --> 02:26:15.056 I do. Yeah. Anyway, no. I just take the hair down on my on my body. Yeah. 02:26:15.056 --> 02:26:17.056 It's super long. It's called manscaping. 02:26:17.271 --> 02:26:22.790 Manscaping. Okay. Well, that's a whole another episode we can get into. Anyway, so this is let me just finish my goddamn Gotta 02:26:22.790 --> 02:26:23.910 make sure you mow the lawn. 02:26:23.910 --> 02:26:26.311 Oh my lord. Oh my lord. 02:26:26.311 --> 02:26:27.030 Go ahead. 02:26:27.990 --> 02:26:28.710 Fucking Christ. 02:26:30.646 --> 02:26:31.445 Go ahead. Rogaine. 02:26:31.445 --> 02:26:32.325 You mow your lawn. 02:26:32.325 --> 02:26:34.405 Your ma mahmoxidil. What'd you call it? 02:26:34.965 --> 02:26:36.405 Minoxidil. Minoxidil. 02:26:36.405 --> 02:26:36.646 Go ahead. 02:26:36.646 --> 02:26:48.510 So in any event, this is the hack. Okay. The hack is I would I I first got it in the foam, the mousse, and I'd spray it I got And then you like I would just like massage it into my head. Know, like in the spots where you know, the receding hairline 02:26:48.510 --> 02:26:51.630 or Got it. Whatever. Got it. It's not supposed to be all over or it's just in the 02:26:51.550 --> 02:26:53.791 Goddamn areas where you it. 02:26:54.190 --> 02:26:56.030 Let me I'm just trying to learn about rogium. 02:26:56.030 --> 02:26:58.145 You're not if you would, if you close your ears 02:26:58.465 --> 02:27:02.064 hear Jimmy. I can hear Jimmy. 02:27:02.064 --> 02:27:07.104 Listen, you know, for someone that says they listen to audiobooks, I'm not so sure how much you actually take in. 02:27:07.104 --> 02:27:07.665 I do. 02:27:07.665 --> 02:27:16.900 Okay. Listen. So I started with how many times have I said this? If you had a like a dollar for every time I said it, you'd at least have lunch money right now. So listen. 02:27:16.900 --> 02:27:30.314 I started with the moose. I put it in my hand and read the directions and it just says to like, you know, work it into the area where you need a treat. Right? And then my wife was like, you really need to like get it in there. And she was she's like, you should use a toothbrush. 02:27:30.314 --> 02:27:34.555 I think she saw it like on, on Instagram or something like, you know, using a toothbrush Yeah. To kinda like 02:27:34.635 --> 02:27:35.755 To get in the fine areas. 02:27:35.755 --> 02:27:49.960 And I actually tried that and it was not very pleasant. Toothbrush bristles, didn't like it, whatever. And then I was like, you know what, f this. If I'm like putting this in my hair to like help like have a fuller head of hair Right. I just like went whole hog and I put it like all in my head. 02:27:49.960 --> 02:27:52.120 Like your shampoo. Like like I just Like your shampoo 02:27:51.960 --> 02:27:56.095 filled in my hand like I had and I just like Everywhere. Worked it. Oh, Jesus. 02:27:56.095 --> 02:27:56.735 Just everywhere. 02:27:56.735 --> 02:27:58.255 I worked it in everywhere. Right. 02:27:58.255 --> 02:27:59.855 And then Just went to town. 02:27:59.855 --> 02:28:07.936 And then fine. So but then it's like a little so now, I have that was like going through a lot of product. Mhmm. You know? I like I can imagine. 02:28:07.936 --> 02:28:34.694 Yeah. So then my wife got they have like liquid form that doesn't like foam up and you can get you can get like these like from Amazon just like, you know, ever see deodorant that has like the the ball at the end of it like the Yeah. So you can buy a little like little rolly ball things and you can fill it up with liquid. So now I have a rolly ball thing that I filled with like the liquid version of Rogaine and I apply it much more easily. With the roller ball. 02:28:34.694 --> 02:28:39.811 With the roller ball because the mousse kinda like, know, it kinda sticks to your hair and it doesn't go all the way down to your 02:28:40.051 --> 02:28:42.450 easily. Easily. Okay. 02:28:42.450 --> 02:28:42.610 A lot 02:28:42.610 --> 02:28:49.170 of it's just getting caught up in my hair. Mhmm. So with because it's liquid form and the rollerball, dude, this is the one two punch. 02:28:49.170 --> 02:28:50.290 The rollerball's the way to go. 02:28:50.290 --> 02:28:51.730 Rollerball's the way to go, homie. 02:28:52.495 --> 02:28:53.215 Got it. 02:28:53.215 --> 02:28:54.335 That's what I'm saying. 02:28:54.335 --> 02:28:57.295 Okay. Got it. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. 02:28:57.295 --> 02:29:00.255 So there you go, boys. Just in case you need the little Rogaine tips. 02:29:00.255 --> 02:29:00.655 There you go. 02:29:00.655 --> 02:29:01.615 So is it working? 02:29:01.935 --> 02:29:03.295 I think a little bit. I'm not like 02:29:03.455 --> 02:29:06.255 You notice hair growth in areas where you didn't have? 02:29:06.255 --> 02:29:15.700 Like a little bit. Like, nothing that made me think this is a miracle drug, but enough to think like, I'll keep doing it because it looks like something is is a little better than nothing. 02:29:15.780 --> 02:29:20.260 Got it. Maybe we'll do a segment on, you know, man care. 02:29:20.260 --> 02:29:20.820 Balding? 02:29:20.820 --> 02:29:21.860 No. Just man care. 02:29:21.975 --> 02:29:24.055 Man care? You wanna do a segment on man Just for 02:29:24.295 --> 02:29:28.135 men, just color the beard and then we'll do can do 02:29:28.135 --> 02:29:30.055 the You're road game gonna color your beard? 02:29:30.055 --> 02:29:32.055 I wasn't going to. No way. I wasn't going to. 02:29:32.055 --> 02:29:32.534 Don't do it. 02:29:32.534 --> 02:29:34.561 I I wasn't going to. I wasn't planning to. 02:29:34.561 --> 02:29:35.200 No. Me neither. 02:29:35.200 --> 02:29:38.160 When people ask me when I'm gonna dye my hair, I'm like Why? I'm not. 02:29:38.641 --> 02:29:39.280 Why would you dye 02:29:39.280 --> 02:29:40.801 your hair? I don't know. Not. Don't know Who 02:29:40.801 --> 02:29:41.601 asked you that? 02:29:41.681 --> 02:29:49.515 The the this chick that used to cut my hair. She's like she's like, she's like, are you gonna come in and have it dyed? I'm like, never. Yeah. She's men do it? 02:29:49.515 --> 02:29:50.875 I'm like, okay, not this dude. 02:29:51.595 --> 02:29:52.795 She's trying to upsell 02:29:52.795 --> 02:29:55.115 you, homie? I was like, no. She's 02:29:55.115 --> 02:29:55.435 trying to upsell 02:29:55.435 --> 02:30:02.955 you, It's very possible. You know, can I just tell you like she does not cut mine and and Dominic's hair anymore? Can I just tell you? Oh my god, Scott. 02:30:03.521 --> 02:30:05.681 You're going through barbers a dime a dozen? 02:30:05.841 --> 02:30:12.161 Can I tell you like, I remember Dominic got his haircut by her one day? 02:30:12.320 --> 02:30:15.601 That came out like Lloyd Chris's at Domino's. Bro. 02:30:16.555 --> 02:30:22.555 He had Dominic had bangs like Straight bangs across his And I look at her and I go 02:30:22.715 --> 02:30:23.755 What what are you doing? 02:30:23.755 --> 02:30:23.914 I go 02:30:24.074 --> 02:30:24.875 I'm not paying for that. 02:30:24.875 --> 02:30:32.721 I go, he looks like a girl. She goes, don't say that. That's not true. I go, yeah. I Yeah. 02:30:32.721 --> 02:30:40.561 I go, he has bangs. I go, what the fuck is that? I was like and that was the last time I went to her. Yeah. Was not But there 02:30:40.961 --> 02:30:43.601 this was this was a new woman after the other woman. 02:30:44.645 --> 02:30:46.805 Yours? No. Mine? Yours. 02:30:46.805 --> 02:30:50.325 No. Like, you had a woman that's is that why she stopped you stopped working with her? 02:30:50.325 --> 02:30:53.445 Stopped going there. Yeah. Dom's hair was pretty jacked up. 02:30:53.445 --> 02:30:54.085 Oh, wow. 02:30:54.085 --> 02:30:55.045 Yeah. So we we 02:30:55.125 --> 02:30:56.806 Otto's going for a new haircut. 02:30:57.045 --> 02:30:58.800 Is he? Yep. Oh, he is. 02:30:58.800 --> 02:30:59.360 Oh, yeah. 02:30:59.360 --> 02:31:00.160 He he mentioned it here. 02:31:00.160 --> 02:31:02.960 He is. He's committed to he's gonna he's gonna buzz. 02:31:02.960 --> 02:31:03.600 He said 02:31:03.600 --> 02:31:05.120 that. Buzz buzz the head. 02:31:05.120 --> 02:31:05.681 Right. 02:31:05.760 --> 02:31:06.960 Not not to the skin. 02:31:06.960 --> 02:31:08.320 Not only is he gonna buzz it though. 02:31:08.320 --> 02:31:09.601 But then he's gonna bleach it. 02:31:10.000 --> 02:31:10.400 Right. 02:31:10.400 --> 02:31:11.120 And then he's gonna 02:31:11.280 --> 02:31:13.760 He said this. Like tint it pink. Yes. He said this. 02:31:13.905 --> 02:31:15.025 And I said, okay. 02:31:15.505 --> 02:31:16.146 You did? 02:31:16.146 --> 02:31:19.985 Yeah. Sure. I don't give a shit. Interesting. It's hair. 02:31:20.065 --> 02:31:20.386 It is 02:31:20.386 --> 02:31:23.266 hair. I mean, he wants It does grow back. If he just wants to I don't care. 02:31:23.266 --> 02:31:24.546 It definitely does grow back. 02:31:24.625 --> 02:31:30.060 I don't care. Have fun with your hair. Yeah. I mean, did I'm not going to the salon with you, but like, you know, have Oh, 02:31:30.380 --> 02:31:33.020 I guess that has to be done by your wife's not doing it? 02:31:33.100 --> 02:31:33.739 No. She's doing that. 02:31:33.739 --> 02:31:35.100 No. She's not she's not she doesn't 02:31:35.420 --> 02:31:40.220 Professionals do bleaching that. Hard and not Interesting. Listen. So we'll put a picture up of auto on 02:31:40.619 --> 02:31:41.659 Before and after? 02:31:41.659 --> 02:31:41.819 Yeah. 02:31:42.295 --> 02:31:45.095 Yeah. We got long hair Otto, short hair Otto. 02:31:45.095 --> 02:31:45.975 And pink hair Otto. 02:31:45.975 --> 02:31:49.415 Pink hair Otto. Yeah. He's dyed his hair before. Like he 02:31:49.495 --> 02:31:50.935 Well, his hair's dyed right now. No? 02:31:50.935 --> 02:31:52.215 Well, he put like sun in. 02:31:52.215 --> 02:31:53.255 Okay. It's bleached. 02:31:53.255 --> 02:31:57.530 It's like it's like it's like orange y, yellow y, 02:31:57.530 --> 02:32:00.010 orange y. Yeah. It's that sun in That sun in look. Yeah. Yeah. 02:32:00.010 --> 02:32:02.170 Yeah. Which is cool for the summer. Nothing wrong with that. 02:32:02.170 --> 02:32:02.811 That's whatever. 02:32:02.811 --> 02:32:04.250 Oh, it's gonna be pink for the summer. 02:32:04.490 --> 02:32:09.875 Apparently. Lovely. But not for that long either because when you cut it short, it's just gonna start, you know, you'll see the roots quickly. 02:32:09.875 --> 02:32:11.314 Real men wear pink. 02:32:11.715 --> 02:32:13.314 I see that. You're wearing pink today. 02:32:13.314 --> 02:32:14.435 I am actually. Yeah. 02:32:14.435 --> 02:32:16.595 There you go. Handsome. 02:32:16.595 --> 02:32:17.475 Yeah. What can I tell you? 02:32:17.475 --> 02:32:19.395 I don't know, man. What do you think? You wanna wrap this one up? 02:32:19.395 --> 02:32:21.154 We can. 71 in the books. 02:32:21.154 --> 02:32:21.875 Oh, boy. Hold on. 02:32:21.875 --> 02:32:22.354 We do. What do do? 02:32:22.680 --> 02:32:29.000 We do. Let's just finish up with the NHL. We got so sidetracked. So game game six is tonight. You think you think Vegas is gonna win? 02:32:29.000 --> 02:32:29.560 I do. 02:32:29.560 --> 02:32:31.319 I also think Vegas is gonna win. 02:32:31.319 --> 02:32:32.520 And then who wins game seven? 02:32:32.520 --> 02:32:37.000 And then I think game seven Mhmm. I think In Carolina. I think it's gonna be Carolina. 02:32:37.000 --> 02:32:37.319 You do? 02:32:37.515 --> 02:32:38.395 I do. I think 02:32:38.395 --> 02:32:39.835 Vegas is gonna win in Carolina. 02:32:39.835 --> 02:32:41.194 You think they're gonna win these next two games? 02:32:41.194 --> 02:32:42.715 I do. I think I think they're gonna find 02:32:42.715 --> 02:32:45.274 out That would be really rough. Bussy. That'd be rough. 02:32:45.274 --> 02:32:46.234 It would be rough. 02:32:46.234 --> 02:32:47.354 Oh, we're gonna find out tonight. 02:32:47.354 --> 02:32:56.330 Listen. I did say it was gonna go seven when we started this. I'm close. Yeah. But listen, Caroline is also playing very well, so nothing surprises me. 02:32:56.330 --> 02:33:09.335 Jordan Stahl is like, what a story, this guy. There's so many good stories like the like No, it's very cool. Like the Marner thing Yes. Like like even if they don't end up winning it, You know, all that stuff like he's just proven he can be an elite player on the biggest stage. 02:33:09.335 --> 02:33:09.814 No question 02:33:09.814 --> 02:33:13.415 about So like good on him. That's great. Bussy, great story. 02:33:13.415 --> 02:33:14.055 Great story. 02:33:14.055 --> 02:33:16.455 Stahl, great story. Yeah. Yeah. Like all of it. 02:33:16.455 --> 02:33:17.975 Yeah. And Tortorella's done after this. 02:33:17.975 --> 02:33:18.774 Tortorella's done. 02:33:18.774 --> 02:33:21.311 Which is wild. Yeah. He's gonna hang it up after this. I mean 02:33:21.470 --> 02:33:23.311 I mean, who knows? I mean, guess 02:33:23.311 --> 02:33:24.510 you can always change your mind too. 02:33:24.510 --> 02:33:25.470 You can always change your mind. 02:33:25.470 --> 02:33:26.271 It'll be interesting. 02:33:26.271 --> 02:33:29.311 Yeah. Anyway I'm looking forward to it. Let's I'm just cheering for a game seven. 02:33:29.311 --> 02:33:32.510 Yeah. Me too. I'm looking forward to more hockey. Alright, dude. That was fun. 02:33:33.005 --> 02:33:35.564 71 in the books? In the books. See you next time. 02:33:35.564 --> 02:33:37.725 Yep. Thank you, Juan. Thank you all for listening. Later.