1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,660 Unknown: Nick coming to you from crash studios in Music City, 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:15,480 USA, Nashville. This is the rich Redmond show featuring special 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,700 guest Nashville studio legend 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:19,740 Eddie Bayers 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,960 and now rich Redmond. 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,340 What is up, everyone? Rich Redmond here. Welcome to the 7 00:00:31,460 --> 00:00:34,460 rich Redmond show. So excited coming to you live from crash 8 00:00:34,460 --> 00:00:38,660 studio in Beautiful Music City, USA, Nashville, Tennessee. Of 9 00:00:38,660 --> 00:00:42,700 course, I'm giant joined by my partner in crime, Jim McCarthy. 10 00:00:42,700 --> 00:00:49,480 Jim McCarthy, voiceovers.com and so excited to have this guest, 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:54,520 my good friend. Eddie bears, how are you? My friend? Great. Have 12 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,980 you brother? Good. Good to see you. Good to see you. It's a 13 00:00:56,980 --> 00:01:01,800 real thrill to have you at my place here, because if people 14 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,940 don't know our history, I moved to Nashville in March of 1997 15 00:01:07,140 --> 00:01:11,460 and you were so instrumental in helping me get started. You were 16 00:01:11,460 --> 00:01:14,940 so kind to me. You were so encouraging. You were what they 17 00:01:14,940 --> 00:01:20,040 would call nowadays, these crazy kids, a mentor. Oh, yeah. And so 18 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,720 I sent you my my cassette demo, rich Redmond drums and 19 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,040 percussion in early 1997 you were like, Yeah, kid, you sound 20 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,520 great. Get to Nashville. And then before I knew it, you were 21 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,180 throwing me showcases and little road gigs and and then same with 22 00:01:35,180 --> 00:01:37,760 Lonnie Wilson, our friend Lonnie Wilson got me connected with 23 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,660 some cool stuff. And even you even wrote me a letter 24 00:01:40,660 --> 00:01:45,040 recommendation like Rich is a great human being, and sounds 25 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,800 really great. If you need any references, please call me Eddie 26 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:53,620 bears Jr. You know so, so just all these years later, nearly 24 27 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,060 years later, it's awesome to have you 2424 years I think you 28 00:01:58,060 --> 00:02:01,320 were my eight I'm in my late 40s. I think you were my age 29 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,640 when I moved to town 24 30 00:02:03,060 --> 00:02:04,320 years ago. So it 31 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,960 was so with your history. Let me ask you something, yeah, and 32 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,480 somebody you got to get hit, hit up all the time from people 33 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,540 coming into town. You really wanted to help rich out. Yeah, 34 00:02:12,540 --> 00:02:13,980 for some reason, why was that? 35 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:19,980 You know, you can. It's almost like a innate, intuitive 36 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,040 situation where, when somebody contacts you, and, of course, 37 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,720 then you get a reference of their playing and their ability. 38 00:02:30,020 --> 00:02:34,340 That's where you can pretty well tell with somebody's talent. And 39 00:02:34,340 --> 00:02:39,020 you know that this is worth, you know, supporting, right? 40 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:40,660 I can get behind this guy. Yeah, 41 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,140 thank you so much. I mean, you, you started, it was like the Big 42 00:02:44,140 --> 00:02:49,240 Bang. It was like it was, it was a slow grow. Go for me. In the 43 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,960 early days, Jim was surprised to hear our last podcast. I said, 44 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,780 you know, I had trouble getting connected. I mean, getting 45 00:02:55,780 --> 00:02:58,720 really connected into it took me three years to get that Pam 46 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,380 Tillis job, right? But in the beginning I was like waiting 47 00:03:01,380 --> 00:03:04,800 tables and substitute teaching and parking cars and doing data 48 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,220 entry and teaching drum lessons and playing down a lower 49 00:03:08,220 --> 00:03:12,240 Broadway and doing free show, doing anything I could. So, you 50 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,020 know, three years what is that? It's about 1000 days before I 51 00:03:16,020 --> 00:03:19,680 got that job with Pam, and someone was setting up my drums, 52 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,740 and they gave me a bottle of water. Here you go. Mr. Ribbon, 53 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,100 you know. And then after the show that someone tore down my 54 00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:30,380 drums. So cool, I know, I know. But um, to catch up, everyone 55 00:03:30,380 --> 00:03:33,740 who might not be familiar, are they sleeping under a rock that 56 00:03:33,740 --> 00:03:35,960 they're not familiar with? Mr. Eddie bears, one of the most 57 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,980 recorded drummers in history. You've played on over 300 gold 58 00:03:39,980 --> 00:03:44,800 and platinum records. 14 times, Academy of Country Music drummer 59 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,520 of the year, three time Nashville drummer, Nashville 60 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,180 Music Awards, drummer of the year, and countless times you 61 00:03:52,180 --> 00:03:55,900 won country drummer of the year in Modern Drummer magazine. So 62 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,260 in back in my, you know, I've read every issue of Modern 63 00:03:59,260 --> 00:04:02,040 Drummer magazine, for folks that aren't drummers out there, this 64 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,220 is the most widely read drum publication in the world, and I 65 00:04:05,220 --> 00:04:12,540 remember seeing you Lonnie Jerry croon Tommy wells, Owen Hale and 66 00:04:12,540 --> 00:04:17,160 Milton sledge on the cover of the magazine at the Opry. And it 67 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,100 was so inspirational. So that's why I said, Oh, I've got to 68 00:04:20,100 --> 00:04:23,840 reach out to these guys and see if they'll give me any nuggets 69 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:27,140 of wisdom, any advice, and you took it one step further, and 70 00:04:27,380 --> 00:04:30,620 you get me some jobs around town. You know, which was 71 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,540 really, which was great. Now, how many years have you been in 72 00:04:35,540 --> 00:04:37,940 Nashville? I came in 73 00:04:39,139 --> 00:04:44,139 Christmas of 73 Wow. But of course, a keyboard player, 74 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:46,660 were you? Yeah, yeah, tell us about that. You're from 75 00:04:46,660 --> 00:04:50,200 Maryland, right, right, and you were playing your classically 76 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,280 trained piano player. 77 00:04:52,060 --> 00:04:56,440 Interesting, and yeah. And through that, of course, as the 78 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,720 process goes, you know, and you're in that mode, you. Uh, 79 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,620 and to make it really quick, is that you know your travels 80 00:05:05,100 --> 00:05:09,240 playing in bands, which I did, and I wound up with a band in 81 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:15,600 New Jersey, and we called ourselves the original cast. And 82 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,360 while we're playing around in Jersey, there was a band that 83 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,100 was one of the top 40 bands discovered by Nancy Wilson in 84 00:05:22,100 --> 00:05:25,760 Las Vegas, called the checkmates Ltd. And they were pretty well 85 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,600 known, you know, but they came in where we were, and at that 86 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,340 time I was sliding off the drums too, you know, like, what? When 87 00:05:34,340 --> 00:05:37,100 our drummer would go out and I'd play, so he could do whatever he 88 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:40,720 did, and then I'd get back onto b3 they said, that's exactly 89 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,400 what we're looking for, for the CheckMate. So me, three of us 90 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:50,080 out of that band, left and went with the checkmates and moved to 91 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,800 Las Vegas and became their backup bands. Because they did 92 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,500 the same thing. You know, when their drummer, sweet Louie, 93 00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:59,080 would go out, I'd get on, and when Sonny Charles got off the 94 00:05:59,260 --> 00:06:03,180 organ, then I'd get on. So as that went on and on, Joe Romano, 95 00:06:03,180 --> 00:06:08,640 who was the trumpet player, was also a great orchestrator and 96 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,600 musical director, and he moved to Oakland, California, and he 97 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,720 called me when all this was starting to disperse, and said, 98 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,200 you know, you really always wanted to finish your college, 99 00:06:19,620 --> 00:06:24,620 you know? I said, Well, I just want music, musically. And so I 100 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:27,980 followed through. I moved in with him at Oakland, and I went 101 00:06:27,980 --> 00:06:31,160 to Laney College, you know, basically just double A, you 102 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,760 know, but through that process, I've got more into that network, 103 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,700 just the same thing as I always advise, like I do with you. So 104 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:42,640 networking around Oakland, I got into a guy named Tom Fogerty, 105 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,540 who was John fogerty's Brother, right? Who had a little group 106 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:50,860 that, when everybody was off tour, they would play around, 107 00:06:50,980 --> 00:06:53,200 you know, like Keystone corner, and then go over to San 108 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,440 Francisco and play. And so I became their keyboard player. I 109 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,780 was the piano. And Merle Saunders, who was a great b3 110 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:04,320 player. Jerry Garcia play guitar. Tom played, you know, 111 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:09,540 the acoustic and guitars. So through that, then obviously it 112 00:07:09,540 --> 00:07:15,660 became more mainstream of knowing that music. So after 113 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,320 about three years there, I heard from some people in Nashville 114 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:26,060 who said, We're you need to come here, you know? So I did. And 115 00:07:26,060 --> 00:07:28,520 when I came sore as a keyboard player, I said, Well, I got to 116 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,640 sustain. So I heard about auditions down at printers 117 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:36,200 alley. So I went down. There was like three other piano players 118 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,360 in front of me, and I'm waiting for them to do their thing. And 119 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,860 then I got up and I played. After I played, this big burly 120 00:07:44,860 --> 00:07:50,020 guy came over. He said, you're my guy, hmm, it was a quartet, 121 00:07:50,020 --> 00:07:53,320 and I want to he said, you're my guy. And he said, What are you 122 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,260 doing? I said, Well, I'm working at an Alba fabrication plant 123 00:07:56,260 --> 00:07:57,100 right now 124 00:07:57,340 --> 00:07:58,900 here in Nashville. Yeah. Day 125 00:07:58,900 --> 00:08:03,660 job, yeah, a job, a job and something, yeah, making album 126 00:08:03,660 --> 00:08:04,320 covers. 127 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,120 Wow. At least you're in the industry, 128 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,620 in a sense. But anyway, I gave him, I told him my name. He 129 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:19,260 said, I'm Larry London. Wow. I had no idea until, of course, as 130 00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:23,360 we friended and friended and I worked with him. I mean, we were 131 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,140 really close. He was your mentor. Oh, my God, he was so 132 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,100 when you use mentor, and I told him, I said, I would really like 133 00:08:31,100 --> 00:08:35,240 to professionally get into this, you know, he goes, I've got a 134 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,820 little pad up between shows, because we were, like the 135 00:08:37,820 --> 00:08:41,320 quartet in between main artists that would come into printers, 136 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,640 and so we go up, and he would show me a few things. And then 137 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,220 after a while, when it got a little more complex, I said, you 138 00:08:48,220 --> 00:08:53,680 know, Larry, I just want to beat him, you know? I said, I I've 139 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:57,280 been in an interpretive mode all my life, right? You know? So I 140 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,280 can read and I can do all that, but I just want to feel the 141 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,480 play. Yeah, so after about a year and a half there, there was 142 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,920 a top 40 group downtown that was the most popular one in a club. 143 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:14,700 So I auditioned for them, and I got that. So I spent probably 144 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,020 maybe more than five years there, but then wanted to pursue 145 00:09:19,020 --> 00:09:22,340 the studio, yeah, scene. And I was going around, and I was 146 00:09:22,340 --> 00:09:26,840 hearing about studios and going and checking out. And then I 147 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,420 heard about one. It was just opening, and it was called audio 148 00:09:29,420 --> 00:09:34,520 media, and it was over off the vision. And I walked in, I said, 149 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,840 Man, I would really love to get inside here and know they said, 150 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,220 well, we can't afford to pay anybody. I said, it doesn't 151 00:09:42,220 --> 00:09:46,540 matter. I just want to learn and be inside and I'll play. Yeah. 152 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,120 Well, simultaneously, somebody who became my partner for 30 153 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,520 years, Paul whirly, who's a known 154 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,040 producer, you guys owned the money pit, right? Was this? 155 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,920 Well, we well, that was subsequent, because this studio. 156 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,520 We were in was a production studio. So we never did 157 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,820 mainstream. We were doing National Geographic albums 158 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,500 attributing somebody like we would do an album that 159 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:12,960 of John Phillips, also 160 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,980 Susan marches, John Phillips, salsa. 161 00:10:16,980 --> 00:10:21,200 That sounds let me tell you why I say that, because that's like 162 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,800 a parody, yeah, when I would say, you want to hear John 163 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:25,460 Philip salsa, 164 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:32,780 anyway, 165 00:10:33,980 --> 00:10:39,020 so, but we would do that and all kinds of different things, from 166 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,760 Walt Disney, doing a lot of the Mickey Mouse disco things like 167 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:43,000 that. 168 00:10:43,060 --> 00:10:48,520 So you were in, you went and just cold called. You stopped by 169 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,920 the studio. Said, This is what I do. This is what I'd like to do. 170 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,740 Can you use me? Yeah, it's like the Phil Ramone story of he 171 00:10:53,740 --> 00:10:56,320 started sweeping the studio floor and cleaning the bathroom. 172 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,100 Yeah, and you work your way up. Do you tell I got on the radio? 173 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,480 How do you do you see that happening with today's youth? Or 174 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:04,980 no, no, I 175 00:11:04,980 --> 00:11:08,580 don't, and I'll tell you why. It's because, let's face it, 176 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:12,600 right in your room here we could cut a full blown album. Yeah, 177 00:11:12,660 --> 00:11:17,340 yeah. So that pretty much is the way of the world. Most of the 178 00:11:17,340 --> 00:11:20,900 facilities, as we know. You know, we knew sound shop went 179 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:27,200 away. We knew that condos now, yeah, yeah. But you know, the 180 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,680 only thing that I say, I mean, I know, I see all the squawk and 181 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:33,800 everything, what a shame. Historic Bubba, you know, Ray 182 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,440 Stevens a you know, 17 grand gone. 183 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:39,920 They leveled it. I saw it well. 184 00:11:40,340 --> 00:11:42,700 But you know what, as a businessman? Because the one 185 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:45,760 thing I know, even though we're doing what we're do, you've 186 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,060 learned this is business music. Yeah, it's not music business. 187 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:54,940 So with that being said, as you have your places and your 188 00:11:54,940 --> 00:11:58,240 properties and stuff you get in, let's just hypothetically say 189 00:11:58,780 --> 00:12:04,800 somebody came up to you, and you had a iconic studio that 190 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,460 depended off the phone to ring so you knew what the way of the 191 00:12:08,460 --> 00:12:11,640 world was at that point of how many times are you frequented to 192 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:19,680 be doing sessions, you know, and making your nut and knowing what 193 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:22,880 it would take as Somebody comes in and says, I'll give you $3 194 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,740 million and I'll take it, yeah. I mean, you're going, Wait a 195 00:12:27,740 --> 00:12:31,100 minute, I can secure me, my kids, my family. I think, 196 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,140 I think Ray sold that for 20 million. 197 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:37,940 I because it's a prime spot right there on the corner, yeah. 198 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,260 I mean, wow, 199 00:12:39,380 --> 00:12:42,080 it's just the way. I mean, it's happening with all the creative 200 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,420 arts these days. That that the barrier to entry is getting 201 00:12:46,420 --> 00:12:48,940 lower, you know, like you're talking about, you can do it 202 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,540 right here, in a studio, in a house. Make a great sounding 203 00:12:52,540 --> 00:12:57,400 album. The only thing you miss out on is, is there a difference 204 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,960 in how these albums are sounding now? Oh, now that everybody's 205 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,880 not in the same room, tell you what I was feeding off. 206 00:13:02,879 --> 00:13:05,879 I was just talking about that last night again, you know we 207 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:11,879 were reflecting on the records today. Yeah. So we know that the 208 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:14,759 little wizards that are coming out, the Pro Tools wizards, 209 00:13:15,419 --> 00:13:18,839 demeaning them. But when they get in and they do all of their 210 00:13:19,199 --> 00:13:24,859 plugins and everything like that. The sounds aren't, I mean, 211 00:13:24,859 --> 00:13:28,159 they're ones and zeros, right? So they're just a wall. There's 212 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:32,359 like that. You don't go inside. There is no dynamic. You know, 213 00:13:32,359 --> 00:13:35,959 it's what it is. It might go louder and softer and have some 214 00:13:35,959 --> 00:13:39,439 kind of verb on it, but it's not like because somebody told me, 215 00:13:39,499 --> 00:13:44,379 they said, Man, I listened to, and I was trying to think of the 216 00:13:44,379 --> 00:13:48,219 recording they listened to. It was once something I did, and 217 00:13:48,219 --> 00:13:52,239 they were commenting because it was done back in the 90s. And of 218 00:13:52,239 --> 00:13:54,759 course, you know, they were just listening said, My God, it was 219 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:57,699 so big, and you could hear everything. And while you put 220 00:13:57,699 --> 00:14:00,359 the phones on, you were listening to landscape, you 221 00:14:00,359 --> 00:14:02,939 know, you heard something through there, through there, 222 00:14:03,359 --> 00:14:07,619 and Corey layers, yeah, it's molecular, yeah. And I said 223 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,819 molecules magnetized or different than ones and zeros 224 00:14:11,819 --> 00:14:13,199 delegated to a frequency. 225 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,180 That's really, really interesting. Because, I mean, 226 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:18,300 you know, when I moved here and, you know, 97 everyone was still 227 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:20,480 tracking in the same room at the same time. And I will say that 228 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,320 about Nashville more than the other coasts. We are still doing 229 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,620 that. We're still doing it. It is somehow being affected, like 230 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,220 I just did a session, you know, yesterday, where so many tracks 231 00:14:31,220 --> 00:14:35,060 were on the grid, and I knew that I didn't necessarily know 232 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:42,280 what drum machine fills they were going to keep so to play it 233 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,940 safe, I played incredibly simple. You know, I didn't do 234 00:14:45,940 --> 00:14:48,820 any fills, and so you're just using the colors on the kit. 235 00:14:48,820 --> 00:14:51,400 Like I'm going to play a tight hi hat here. I'm going to go to 236 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,960 a loose hi hat here. I'm going to go to a variety, making 237 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,920 choices, but knowing I probably need to figure out how to stay. 238 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,180 Out of the way to play it safe and make it easy for their 239 00:15:03,180 --> 00:15:06,360 editing. And so like the musical choices we're making now are 240 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,620 different than when we were playing that big country and and 241 00:15:10,620 --> 00:15:14,760 1997 eight guys on the floor at the same time, I will say, Thank 242 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,700 God. Thank God to Michael Knox and Jason l Dean and Pete 243 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:20,220 Coleman and all the folks over at treasure Isle, all the Aldean 244 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:23,120 records all at the same time. That's right on the floor at the 245 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:23,540 same that's 246 00:15:23,540 --> 00:15:25,040 why they sound the way they do this. Yeah, 247 00:15:25,220 --> 00:15:28,760 they are. They're incredibly sounding. And they creep keep 248 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,020 the legacy, you know, from where I started, back when, all those 249 00:15:33,020 --> 00:15:36,800 records and everything that I did and and you know, then my 250 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,840 year so far, I've been able to enjoy because Jim Ed Norman did 251 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,440 a record on Dylan Scott. We were a sound Emporium. We did that. 252 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,120 Kyle inning produced a three day album on skip, Ewing everybody 253 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,400 on the floor, same thing, yeah, 254 00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:54,340 let me ask you, this guy's professional drummers and 255 00:15:54,340 --> 00:15:58,180 players in the industry. You go back to an album like Van Halen, 256 00:15:58,180 --> 00:16:03,780 1984 right? Love it. I put that when I was in radio, I was 257 00:16:03,780 --> 00:16:06,480 trying to actually do something with it and beat, mix it with 258 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,400 other songs and put it along with metronome. He is all over 259 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,920 the flip and map. As far as tempo, 260 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,740 it just feels amazing, right? But you don't feel so you don't 261 00:16:16,740 --> 00:16:19,560 feel that, Oh, you don't want a band, and they're all doing it 262 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:20,840 together. I listen to 263 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:24,560 hear, hear some songs, yeah, that just have legacy to them, 264 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:25,520 you know, they're gonna be around 265 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,280 for another 100 years. It's gonna be cool. Time will tell to 266 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:34,820 see, you know, the lifespan of a bro, a bro country record, like, 267 00:16:34,820 --> 00:16:37,160 how long it's gonna be around? Like, are we still gonna be 268 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:37,940 spinning it in 269 00:16:37,940 --> 00:16:40,420 10 years? Right? The same thing, you know, I mean, there's 270 00:16:40,420 --> 00:16:43,840 artists that we know just like Jason now is one of our 271 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,280 treasures you look but over decades, and that will continue. 272 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,540 And I guess hypothetically, you wonder about anybody in the new 273 00:16:52,780 --> 00:16:56,200 that comes on and they're doing what they do, will they be there 274 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,640 in 25 years? 275 00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:01,439 It's almost like the mid 90s right now, for country, mid 90s 276 00:17:01,439 --> 00:17:05,099 rock, yeah, was kind of like they were trying anything. You 277 00:17:05,099 --> 00:17:08,579 know, it was before the active rock genre was really defined. I 278 00:17:08,579 --> 00:17:11,879 was getting into radio at that particular moment. Yeah, they 279 00:17:11,879 --> 00:17:16,079 were transitioning from grunge and Nirvana, and the Seattle 280 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:19,919 thing kind of was fizzling at that point. 9495 96 was 281 00:17:19,919 --> 00:17:22,459 happening because I was in a cover band at the time, playing 282 00:17:22,459 --> 00:17:25,099 drums. Jim also plays drums, yeah. And we were playing, you 283 00:17:25,099 --> 00:17:29,299 know, Smashing Pumpkins. I don't think the Foo Fighters was out 284 00:17:29,299 --> 00:17:34,699 by then, but ever Rage Against the Machine, ever clear. And it 285 00:17:34,699 --> 00:17:38,719 was just really wonky music. I mean, they were literally just 286 00:17:38,719 --> 00:17:41,139 throwing stuff against the wall to see if it sticks, 287 00:17:41,380 --> 00:17:43,600 you know, but they're still playing a lot of it, yeah, 288 00:17:44,620 --> 00:17:47,860 you go back. There's a lot of nostalgia. For me, when I listen 289 00:17:47,860 --> 00:17:52,300 to it, they call that classic rock. Now, is it classic rock? 290 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:54,940 Yeah, it's like, it's like, the young girls call it old timey 291 00:17:54,940 --> 00:17:57,100 music, like, why are you listening to this old timey 292 00:17:57,100 --> 00:18:00,180 music when we could be listening to Drake, his journey, old 293 00:18:00,179 --> 00:18:02,159 times oldies class, 294 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,560 I'll tell you what the reality of that is. Just go on and check 295 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,880 foreigner journey, hmm, even Van Halen check their tour schedule. 296 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:18,360 Busy. Yeah, yeah, really. And some of them don't even have, 297 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:21,500 like, one original member. Some of them have one original 298 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:24,320 member, and they just get great side guys, and they hang the 299 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,260 banner in the back, and it's a notable brand. And you the 300 00:18:27,260 --> 00:18:30,680 people in 90% of the people in the audience, 99% of the people 301 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,560 audience, just want to hear dirty white boy in double vision 302 00:18:33,740 --> 00:18:36,140 and cold as ice. They don't care who's playing it. Yeah, you 303 00:18:36,140 --> 00:18:39,260 know, but it, but there is some god, there's, there's wings to 304 00:18:39,260 --> 00:18:42,220 that music, and you're responsible for when Alan 305 00:18:42,220 --> 00:18:45,280 Jackson says, we've gone country, yeah, you know that was 306 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:50,440 like, what, 9293 94 before that? Yeah, it was like, maybe, like 307 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:51,880 91 or something, yeah, 308 00:18:52,060 --> 00:18:54,520 probably because straight was 84 309 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,540 now straight, I'm so sorry, straight has had, what, 60 310 00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:02,520 number ones, and you've played on almost 311 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,960 all of them, probably 90% 312 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,280 actually more than that. So you can't, so folks, listen, you 313 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,720 can't put your you can't get in your car and turn on satellite 314 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,280 XM or terrestrial radio and drive down the road to the 315 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,020 Walgreens to do anything without hearing Eddie bears on the 316 00:19:21,020 --> 00:19:23,900 radio, right? That's pretty that's got to be does it still 317 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:29,240 fun to hear yourself in a supermarket elevator there on 318 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,060 the radio? Kind of over it? Does it? Does it? Does it bring back 319 00:19:32,060 --> 00:19:34,220 a memory of that session on that day? 320 00:19:34,220 --> 00:19:39,140 Absolutely anything like that that I hear and I'm going, oh my 321 00:19:39,140 --> 00:19:41,500 god, yeah, that was so and so. You know, now, 322 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:44,740 have you thought about writing a memoir? I have, 323 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:51,160 but I just wouldn't know any of those fundamental beginnings of 324 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:51,940 how you do that. 325 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:55,300 So you need a co author. Yes, we gotta get you a co author. But, 326 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,420 I mean, we're just talking about the 90s. I mean, look at this 327 00:19:58,420 --> 00:20:00,900 track record, Jim. Check this out. You being a drummer, you 328 00:20:01,140 --> 00:20:04,080 can appreciate this. Tanya Tucker, John Denver, Ricky 329 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,020 Skaggs, George Strait, almost all the stuff. Garth Brooks, 330 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:10,800 Glen Campbell, Kenny Chesney, Vince Gill so it goes on and on 331 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,520 and on. And talk about reinventing yourself, self, 332 00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:17,220 continuing to work, staying relevant. You're the house 333 00:20:17,220 --> 00:20:19,920 drummer at the Opry, right? Yes as well. And then our friend 334 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,060 Mark subs for you. Mark Beckett, yes. Now, when I see Mark 335 00:20:23,060 --> 00:20:27,500 Beckett play, I say to myself, that guy was heavily influenced 336 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,320 by Eddie bears. I told him when he was 13. I mean, we're talking 337 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:36,440 about, he's a lefty, yep, the same setup, like your brand. I 338 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,020 hear it not that he's not a unique and well, 339 00:20:39,019 --> 00:20:41,919 you know her dad, the infamous Barry Beckett, yeah, famous 340 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:45,759 records that, yeah, producer that we did, Barry would always 341 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:50,319 bring home the tracks and everything that we recorded, a 342 00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:53,319 great education, yes. So he would get those to Mark, and 343 00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:56,859 Mark would just play along, yeah, play along with those. And 344 00:20:56,859 --> 00:20:59,979 that's what he did. So he's actually now or once while he 345 00:20:59,979 --> 00:21:03,659 go, man, do you remember this? And it'd be like, because 346 00:21:03,659 --> 00:21:07,859 obviously Barry was diverse, so we did a heavy metal artist, 347 00:21:07,859 --> 00:21:11,039 Dora Pesh from Germany. So it was like, double kicks, you 348 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:13,679 know, and Dan huff and everything. 349 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,620 And I think a lot of people would be surprised to hear you 350 00:21:16,620 --> 00:21:17,340 play that style. 351 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,040 Oh, yeah, yeah, I know exactly. I mean, I've got when you put 352 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,920 the records on and they just sound for not, was it like a 353 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,540 speed metal kind of thing? 354 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:33,980 Yeah, it was like, there was a few cuts like that, yeah, oh 355 00:21:33,980 --> 00:21:36,980 yeah. And the kick kicks, yeah. 356 00:21:37,580 --> 00:21:40,100 Are you still playing with the players? That's your side 357 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:40,720 project. 358 00:21:40,780 --> 00:21:44,320 Well, you know what? John Hobbs, our keyboard player. I started 359 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:50,980 that band in 2001 because there was a friend I had from CMT at 360 00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:55,420 CBS cable named Martin Clayton who since retired, and he had 361 00:21:55,420 --> 00:21:59,320 cornered me, we had met each other, and I can't remember how 362 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,940 we ever did it. It might have been a nearest thing. But 363 00:22:02,940 --> 00:22:06,300 anyway, we got to talking about ideas and everything and 364 00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:09,660 creating shows. So the first thing we did was a Christmas 365 00:22:09,660 --> 00:22:14,340 special which Glen Campbell. And basically our format was going 366 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:18,240 to be, yeah, we'll go on and record the record. We'll film, 367 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,800 you know, Glenn singing the songs with Yes, or maybe not 368 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:28,220 yes, and then sell, which we did, after that was done. He 369 00:22:28,220 --> 00:22:33,440 said, you know, what about like a music based thing? And I said, 370 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,080 Well, I wouldn't want it to be like a American music shop 371 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,840 thing, you know, with the musicians. I said, What about if 372 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:44,140 we did a musician, artist record. So with that said, Yeah, 373 00:22:44,140 --> 00:22:47,560 great. Put a band together. So I put together Brent Mason, Paul 374 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:52,060 Franklin, Michael Rhodes and John Hobbs. And the premise of 375 00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:56,080 that record was, we got we brought in Vince Gill, Peter 376 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:02,940 Frampton, Travis, tritt, Sean Colvin. So that was a diverse, 377 00:23:02,940 --> 00:23:06,420 yeah, but what happened after that show and DVD and everything 378 00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:10,560 was done, it stuck. So we just became brothers in arms with 379 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,000 that. And we played around for like, 11 years. And then John 380 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,780 since retired, and it was obviously somebody would say, 381 00:23:19,260 --> 00:23:22,880 even in a band sense, you know, what are you going to get 382 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,820 somebody to take us place? I said, No, this is it. The 383 00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:30,200 players are it, right? And so we just let that rest. And 384 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,540 everybody's kind of like in their own world and what they 385 00:23:32,540 --> 00:23:35,660 do. But of course, we're still connected, yeah, sure, very, but 386 00:23:35,660 --> 00:23:39,440 very heavily. In fact, in October, will really be it? 387 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:41,720 I, you know, I used to come see you guys play at third and 388 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,380 Lindsley all the time. If there's any Nashvillians that 389 00:23:44,380 --> 00:23:46,780 listening, you guys know the original third and Lindsley was 390 00:23:46,780 --> 00:23:49,300 this small room. And that's right. And then Ron knocked the 391 00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:53,800 wall down and expanded, and little, small room was magic. It 392 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,100 really was. The man is in the corner. Oh man, get the pinball 393 00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:59,500 machines in the back by the dressing room. And, you know, 394 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:03,060 it's pretty good bar food. And, you know, you know, Ron, the 395 00:24:03,060 --> 00:24:07,320 owner, is a he's a fan of music. You know, there's always great 396 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,800 acts in there, regional acts, national, local acts. Yeah, he 397 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,020 supports them. You know, people always ask me all the time, I'm 398 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:14,880 coming to Nashville, where should I go? I say, okay, third 399 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,980 in Lindsley, 12th in Porter, Douglas corner, the Sutler, the 400 00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:21,920 basement, lower Broadway. And they say, No, what's your 401 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,260 favorite spot on lower Broadway? Rich? I say, Well, you got to go 402 00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:26,540 to World Famous tootsies because, yeah, you just have to. 403 00:24:27,140 --> 00:24:32,300 And I like Robert's western world because it's like the real 404 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:36,080 old school Don Kelly band, and the old country guys played, and 405 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,060 they're wearing the nudie suits, and they're wearing the shirts, 406 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:40,720 and you can go in there and you get your crinkle fries and your 407 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,500 core is original. In the bottle fried bologna sandwich, let's 408 00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:44,980 buy a pair 409 00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:48,760 of boots. That's where we are. We are so health oriented. You 410 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,680 know, really go after the health 411 00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:52,900 food fried bologna tofu. It's a 412 00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:57,460 tofu. Welcome to the south. So So you it was. It's very well 413 00:24:57,460 --> 00:25:00,180 known, for those of you who are listening at one point. Like, 414 00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:04,500 and probably still this way, it was, like a handful of people, 415 00:25:04,620 --> 00:25:08,040 like a fraternity of two or three guys that you always heard 416 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,160 on the same stuff that was a scent, like, when in the 417 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,320 voiceover business, which is where I live, most of the time, 418 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,660 talking about the A team in Nashville that Eddie was right, 419 00:25:15,660 --> 00:25:19,260 right? Where did we referred with true before for that, like, 420 00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:21,620 you know, the movie trailer, guys who voiced all the movie 421 00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:24,320 trailers, you know, in the world, those guys, Don 422 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,340 LaFontaine, yeah, it was like four or five people doing all 423 00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:32,120 the, all the work. And you know, what was your kind of view on 424 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,640 that for somebody coming in? Because I remember hearing an 425 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,100 interview with Don LaFontaine. They said, Well, someone asked 426 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:40,760 him, I said he was, he was very tongue in cheek, funny guy. 427 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,480 Yeah. They said, You know, there was only four or five of you, 428 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:49,720 from what I understand. He goes, Yes, as it should be, yeah. He 429 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,820 says, Yeah. There's only, like, five of you making all the 430 00:25:51,820 --> 00:25:55,180 money. He's like, yes, as it should be. That's great. I mean, 431 00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:57,400 your attitude, I guess, was a little different. I mean, did 432 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,620 you care and you were a part of that fraternity? Was that 433 00:25:59,620 --> 00:25:59,980 something 434 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,180 that you know, the fraternity really in that and that days 435 00:26:03,180 --> 00:26:08,280 from the 80s to 90s, it was really under production, because 436 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,480 the way it was, which is different today's world. Let's 437 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,860 say Brent Mayor produced an act that we did, we did the demos on 438 00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:19,440 the judge, and then they go through the roof. Well, then the 439 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,600 label Joe Galani or RCA said, We want you to produce this, and we 440 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,940 want you to produce that. So under one producer, I'd have 441 00:26:25,940 --> 00:26:31,340 four major artists that I would be playing on. And the same 442 00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:36,380 thing, when Jimmy Bowen came to town, you know, he tested me 443 00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:41,980 out, he said, you're going to be my guy. And that talk about a 444 00:26:41,980 --> 00:26:47,680 windfall. Now that was the same crew for a good 1011, years. And 445 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,900 what it did not from my efforts, but because he just controlled 446 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:56,680 this world and produced everybody here, because he ran 447 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:03,360 the label too. Yeah. So with that. I mean, a good example 448 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:07,500 would be like, so this is August. I would be booked 449 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,200 through next August every week, 450 00:27:10,260 --> 00:27:13,560 and you were doing two, three sessions a day, 451 00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:18,000 oh, sometimes two sessions a day, yeah, and five days a week. 452 00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:22,400 And then if they had squeeze up, man, it'd be a Saturday, but 453 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,020 again, it was every artist. So because of that, you 454 00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:28,160 have an amazing pension. 455 00:27:31,820 --> 00:27:32,900 Let's hope it survives, 456 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,260 yeah, well, if it can, yeah, you know. And I think it will. I 457 00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:39,080 think it might get cut, but it'll be, it'll survive, yeah, 458 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:46,180 that, but I think the stats were, and for a lot of us that 459 00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:49,780 were with Bowen for those 10 years, because he controlled the 460 00:27:49,780 --> 00:28:01,620 world, you know, I would have see the top 11 singles for six 461 00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:05,640 and a half months in Billboard, and the top 13 albums in country 462 00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:09,480 in Billboard, yeah, for like, six months, you just look and, 463 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,680 you know, just be amazed. You know, the one thing I never did 464 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,980 was absorb it into like, yeah. You know, I was gonna ask. I 465 00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:20,300 knew what it was, yeah. I mean, you know, if this guy that 466 00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,480 you're working for is doing everybody that's on those 467 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,680 charts. Well, obviously 468 00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:28,280 that speaks incredibly to the power of relationships. 469 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,600 Well, and I guess what we're saying as far as the the nucleus 470 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,960 of every one of those camps, I had it with Brent mayor. I had 471 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,800 it with Jimmy Bowen Barry Beckett. When he left Muscle 472 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,220 Shoals came out, and he was seeking out somebody for his 473 00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:45,460 national rhythm section, which I was blessed to be able to be in 474 00:28:45,460 --> 00:28:48,820 that so that was another 10 years of him producing 475 00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:51,880 everything internationally. I mean, we did from Seager and, I 476 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,080 mean, all these different artists like Brendan croaker, 477 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,260 who was with the Nottingham hillbillies and stuff. So it was 478 00:28:59,260 --> 00:29:03,300 really good adverse music. But I guess back to the question, 479 00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:08,040 there wasn't a nuke this, it was just who was ever in those 480 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,060 production camps like 481 00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:12,000 you were in with everybody, which really speaks to like, 482 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,420 wow. People have their faith in your ability to show up and 483 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:18,720 deliver the job. And I'm sure they knew you. They like you. 484 00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:22,760 They trusted you, and you showed up consistently. So for the 485 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,940 viewers out there and listeners that that aren't in the music 486 00:29:25,940 --> 00:29:31,400 business, a recording session is from 10 to 1:10am to 1pm and 487 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,740 then a short lunch break, and you might have to go to another 488 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:36,440 recording session across town with another set of drums set 489 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,080 up, and you would record from 2pm to 5pm and this is all kind 490 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,020 of governed by the American Federation of Musicians, which 491 00:29:44,020 --> 00:29:46,720 says that you have to make this amount of money in this amount 492 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,480 of time, and it adds up, and they pay into your pension. And 493 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,480 it was, it was like the golden age of the music. Just totally 494 00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:55,960 where now it is the Wild West. There's so many things happening 495 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:01,440 off the card, yeah, and off the card, you know? And, and. A you 496 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,320 know, what would your advice? Because I know you, you mentor, 497 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,140 you have you're involved with the Grammys, and you go speak at 498 00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:10,800 Berkeley. And so you have a young kid, his parents are 499 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,660 spending 250 $300,000 for the kid to go to Berkeley and 500 00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:18,240 graduate with a piece of paper. And they go, Wow, now I'm gonna 501 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,600 go into the music business. I gotta pay back these student 502 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,560 loans. How am I going to do this? What advice would you give 503 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,100 to a 22 year old kid graduating from one of the top music 504 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,920 schools, or somebody that's just self trained and they know that 505 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,140 they have to be in New York, LA or Nashville? 506 00:30:33,199 --> 00:30:35,719 Let me. Let me ask something real quick. Are you still paying 507 00:30:35,719 --> 00:30:39,319 off your student loans? 508 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,400 Actually, because of the Peralta college system, I went free. 509 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,300 There you go. If you were a resident around Oakland and San 510 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:47,980 Francisco, you could get your double A 511 00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:50,920 free. That's incredible. Yeah, you ever miss California when 512 00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:53,080 your time there? Not now, yeah, 513 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,520 not now, not Oakland now. No, no, no. Oh no, no, 514 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,480 no, no, no. I watched it deteriorate, yeah, I mean, 515 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,980 within years after I left, yeah, that was a shame, yeah, but, 516 00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:08,460 but, you know, I and I get those questions a lot, because what I 517 00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:13,020 do is I work with a couple of professors at Berkeley. So every 518 00:31:13,020 --> 00:31:16,860 year they bring down, like 125 students. We have a week that we 519 00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:22,220 program all the hierarchy here that encompass every facet. I 520 00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:28,100 mean, you can have publishing, label, management, legal, and in 521 00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:31,880 musical, songwriting and all that. And, of course, they all 522 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:37,100 have, you know, the same questions, and as far as when 523 00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:40,720 they get out and what they do. And I think it would be the same 524 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,060 thing. Now, even with your success of where you evolve to 525 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,980 where you are, you'd have to ask yourself the same question. What 526 00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:53,020 would you say? Yeah, you know, 527 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,440 roll up your sleeves. Find the people that are doing what you 528 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,020 want to do. Meet them. Model yourself after that. 529 00:31:59,020 --> 00:32:00,400 Emulate Emily. 530 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,060 The only thing I advice I give them, as I said, I know 531 00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:07,080 sometimes you guys can be separate from each other in 532 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,600 whatever facet, and have your own little core, your only core 533 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,640 group that you do. Yeah. I said, break that down, network with 534 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,120 each other. I said, because that songwriter or that guy who's 535 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,080 going to be in publishing, or anything like that, might give 536 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,080 you a call and say, you know, compassing our public company, 537 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,540 we're going to start a production studio, you know, 538 00:32:32,540 --> 00:32:37,160 would you, you know, this is how a lot of my contacts happen. 539 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,920 Did you understand what you're doing at the time, though, when, 540 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,520 when you were doing it, did you or just, you know, it just 541 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,000 happened. 542 00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:46,360 No, you know, all I did is, after a while with, with the 543 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,840 experience, you put it together, you start saying, Wow, I mean 544 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,000 that he Don Cook, he called and took me into Acuff rose, and 545 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,440 then moved me over to tree and Don Gant, buddy killing and all 546 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,900 that. And then you start going, Oh, I get it, you know. So this 547 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:08,520 is, and that's, and I guess that there's also when you talk about 548 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,920 lower broad, you know, and people who come down get into 549 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,120 the jams and stuff like that. I said, love those people who come 550 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,540 down and play. Sometimes they're also in the network of the 551 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:23,960 studios doing the demos, whatever, whatever, they might 552 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,080 never know who's going to be and they might hear you and go, Man, 553 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,940 let me have your 554 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,700 number. I mean, every time you play your instrument or work on 555 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:35,900 your craft in public, you are advertising your business. Do 556 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,080 you think they understand that, though? I mean, I remind you 557 00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:42,280 you've been told I don't want to put I don't need to play lower, 558 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,040 broad. Well, there's a lot of kids that are moving to town 559 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,660 that are just like, they maybe they save smartly, they save 560 00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:52,780 money, and they don't necessarily need to work a day 561 00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:55,420 job. So they just go out every night and crash parties and meet 562 00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:57,700 people. But they're like, you know, I don't want to go play 563 00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:01,680 for tips. I was like, Hey, I didn't either, but I learned so 564 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,120 much, so quickly 565 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:09,360 and and again, that one person that you might befriend through 566 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,100 that who goes, Man, let me have your number, and the next thing 567 00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:17,460 you know, you get the call. Sure you know. And that's that's the 568 00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:22,160 beauty of in networking, and that's what I always advise you 569 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,020 got to get in the community. 570 00:34:24,859 --> 00:34:27,019 You know, relationships, absolutely. Oh, 571 00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:31,400 that was your advice to me. You know, we'll see in town. Get 572 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,100 involved with the community. You know, looking forward to having 573 00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:37,040 you here, which is great. And I can't believe that was what's 574 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,320 365 days times 24 that was a long time ago. You know, and 575 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,320 look at my band. The greatest thing that ever happened to me 576 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,840 was meeting those two individuals that introduced me 577 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,720 to a young Jason Aldean that introduced me to their producer, 578 00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:53,740 and we're at five presidencies later, we're still be in the 579 00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:57,940 trenches creating, bringing the music to the people. That was a 580 00:34:57,940 --> 00:35:00,540 real gift. People always ask me, like, how did that? Happened was 581 00:35:00,540 --> 00:35:04,500 in an audition, I was like, really, it was your same path. 582 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:07,020 It was relationships with people. 583 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,820 And to back that up, it's like when people come in and say, But 584 00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:15,120 what I'd like to do is be able to get in know some audition, 585 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,540 you know, and I would have to tell them, I said, Let me tell 586 00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:23,420 you something. Most core bands of artists, if they have 587 00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:27,380 somebody who's leaving, the other musicians know who they'd 588 00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:30,380 like to they're calling a friend. Yeah, yeah, they'd like 589 00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:34,460 to know who, who, who do you who do you know? And everybody will 590 00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:38,120 have their own little side of let's get him and him and him 591 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:43,900 and try him out. So it's not going to be like a resume, your 592 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,480 artist auditions. We just know somebody, it's not going to 593 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,480 happen. You know. Which do you think that could possibly happen 594 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,940 is if there's a new artist on the horizon, and maybe their 595 00:35:54,940 --> 00:35:57,880 management might reach out to somebody like me, but like that. 596 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,160 Hey, do you know some people that might want to blah, blah, 597 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,060 blah, any young drummers, any young guitar player, stuff like 598 00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:06,900 that. That might happen. It doesn't happen that much, you 599 00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:10,620 know. But like you were talking about lower broad, yeah, it was 600 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:15,300 the same thing 18 years ago. I couldn't be working any more 601 00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:20,180 than I was. But then I got a call from John Gardner, who said 602 00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:22,520 he's going out on the road with the Dixie Chicks. He said, Would 603 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,640 you serve it for me at the Opry? He said, I'm going to be gone 604 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,300 six months. I said, Absolutely, I'll be happy to do that, which 605 00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:33,020 I loved. It was legacy and everything there. When I did 606 00:36:33,020 --> 00:36:38,720 that, I enjoyed it. You know, what's interesting is the same 607 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,100 people that told you, is people kind of goes, Man, I don't know, 608 00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:46,240 yeah, I mean, the opry has a stigma there, you know, grand, 609 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,180 oh yeah, it was look, look, frowned upon 610 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,960 if you, if you played it, huh? If you played these, the house 611 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,440 draw, if you were in a house, but people know that you're 612 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,180 doing that. So anyway, when John got back, it turns out they're 613 00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:02,940 going to do a three month European tour, and then at that 614 00:37:02,940 --> 00:37:06,600 time, general manager came and they said, We're not going to 615 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:12,120 have him back. If you want the gig, it's yours. I said, I do. 616 00:37:12,180 --> 00:37:15,660 I'll take it. I said, but I can't do every week, so I want 617 00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:20,180 to hire somebody to alternate weeks with. So I hired Paul 618 00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:24,440 lime, and he did it for several years, and then he said, I'm 619 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,380 gonna leave. And so then I said, Well, Mark Beckett, 620 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,680 so this was 18 years ago. You've been doing that in addition to 621 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,680 all your other session work. And what is the time commitment? 622 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,760 Tuesdays? And well, now we're Tuesday, Friday, Tuesday, 623 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,960 Wednesday, Friday, Saturday. Wow. And starting September, 624 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,780 we'll go five, five nights, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 625 00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:50,380 Friday, Saturday, but just like last night. You know, I do these 626 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,380 young artists. I mean, they're young, but they're incredibly 627 00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:57,040 talented. Maggie rose, a new artist last night, which was 628 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,140 Haley Witter. I mean, that's the whole thing about it, of course, 629 00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:04,200 like you say, not as much bro country in our way. But I mean, 630 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:10,440 it's intricately done, yeah, you know, with a drum machine that 631 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,760 playing inhuman beats, right, right, right? And it's like, 632 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,820 okay, well, I don't have that loop, but I can replicate as 633 00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:21,980 close as I can, sure, you know, to it what you do, and it's 634 00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:24,680 amazing. Some of the artists who really don't have that 635 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,180 production control appreciate it because of, wow, it felt so 636 00:38:29,180 --> 00:38:29,540 great. 637 00:38:29,540 --> 00:38:33,860 Yeah, and now, what like? What is, what is that typical Night 638 00:38:33,860 --> 00:38:36,080 at the Opera? You might you've got a cast of characters that 639 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,780 are coming through. You got this awesome house band. Of course, 640 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,960 you're reading charts, and someone sends you an mp three or 641 00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:46,960 and then you reference it, so you kind of know it's happening. 642 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,040 And then time to go, 643 00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:53,980 yeah, it's usually within a day, like my, I won't know until 644 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,520 maybe tonight, what music I got to learn for Friday and 645 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,900 Saturday, but it'll be uploaded to an opera band site with the 646 00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:06,960 MP threes there, and then we pretty well delegate. Larry 647 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,780 Paxson, he is our chart. Meister, yeah, there's always 648 00:39:09,780 --> 00:39:13,980 one guy that's the fastest man he but it's so articulate, yeah. 649 00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:19,380 And he charts everything out. You download the mp three boom, 650 00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:24,620 boom, mark it up and go play. Sometimes it's within a 24 hour 651 00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:28,520 period that you learn all the songs. And like on Tuesday and 652 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,840 Wednesdays, it's what they call a non hosted like, maybe 653 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,140 somebody like announcer Bill Cody is the host. Every artist 654 00:39:36,140 --> 00:39:39,980 gets three songs. So if you have four artists, you've got 12 655 00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:40,640 Songs to Learn. 656 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:42,880 Phil's such a cool guy 657 00:39:42,879 --> 00:39:44,139 too. Man, hardly great. 658 00:39:44,140 --> 00:39:46,660 He is nice guy. You're, oh, you're earning your you know, 659 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:49,060 and that you're working that craft. I mean, right behind this 660 00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:53,320 very wall here, there's a closet and there's filing cabinets full 661 00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:57,820 of every Nashville Number chart or phrase chart or drum chart I 662 00:39:57,820 --> 00:40:03,480 have performed in the last 20 OH. For a year. Seriously, I've 663 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,960 saved everything why that's good. I don't know. Just like a, 664 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,440 you know, I know for sure. I eventually want to, it keeps you 665 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,980 humble. I want to do like an, like an Aldean songbook, where 666 00:40:13,980 --> 00:40:17,520 it's like, here's the number chart I was given at 10am this 667 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,780 is the marked up number chart with the notes that I made on 668 00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:24,200 it. And then this is the transcription, oh, my God, of 669 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,500 the song, of what I actually played. You've got gold sitting 670 00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:32,540 in there, man. Well, I tried, I tried to have a young student of 671 00:40:32,540 --> 00:40:36,860 mine, like, sign up, like to put it together. And he's, like, 672 00:40:36,860 --> 00:40:39,620 doing a lot of work, old man. And he abandoned the project. So 673 00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:42,260 if there's any listeners out there that want to be involved, 674 00:40:42,260 --> 00:40:44,980 any interns, any intern college students you want to put this 675 00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:47,440 project together, I will give you full credit. It really will 676 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,600 cut you in on the profit authorship, right? That's right, 677 00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:52,840 well, because now, I mean, obviously everyone's schooled. 678 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:56,860 So Larry knows that if there's something intricately 679 00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:01,200 Incorporated, like synchronized licks and things that you have 680 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:07,080 to go with. Look at that. He writes it out. He writes all 681 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,400 that out and, and if it's something between that 682 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:18,480 syncopation, that quarterly has to be played to that, he writes 683 00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:22,820 the number to each one of those notes, so that who's ever 684 00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:25,820 reading it can learn it from that way. And know, oh, this is 685 00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:26,960 where we go, you know. 686 00:41:27,020 --> 00:41:31,340 And see, this is why I'm better off as a voiceover artist and 687 00:41:31,340 --> 00:41:33,320 not a professional drummer, because you're speaking 688 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,040 hieroglyphics. 689 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:37,580 No, no, you know. Because if you've ever read the TED Reed 690 00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:44,140 syncopation for the Modern Drummer, like page four, but and 691 00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:47,800 there's a lot of, you know, band leaders in town, chart guys that 692 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,560 write charts, and if there's an intricate lick, they just write 693 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,060 lick, right? 694 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,700 But then, you know, because some of the new artists who have a 695 00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:58,600 band leader, yeah, they said, okay, the MP threes up there, 696 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,020 and they sent a chart, and you look at 697 00:42:01,020 --> 00:42:03,780 the chart, go, that's sad. You got to do my own. 698 00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:06,540 Then I wrote, I write my own. So charts are kind of open to 699 00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:08,280 interpretation. They give you subjective 700 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,440 Well, there's different types of charts. Say there's like a 701 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,640 there's like a cruise ship type chart, where it's it's Western 702 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,540 notation with drum set notation. Then we have the Nashville 703 00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:21,440 Number System, which is basically outlines the harmonic 704 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,840 structure of a song, which is what you're going to get on a 705 00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:27,860 recording session in Nashville or at the Grand Ole Opry. And 706 00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:31,340 then there's, you know, classical Western notation, 707 00:42:31,340 --> 00:42:34,040 where it's the notes are all on the staff. We don't really get 708 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,200 that very much in Nashville. They get that in New York and 709 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,380 LA. And then there's a drum chart, or a phrase chart, which 710 00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:42,880 is where I like to live a lot because I can put more drum 711 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,420 information exactly, or there's a hybrid, like on the Aldean 712 00:42:46,420 --> 00:42:50,380 session, we're referencing a we're referencing an mp three of 713 00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:53,080 the demo. We have the number chart, and then any drum 714 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,540 information that I want, I write above the numbers. You could 715 00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:58,540 do that, yeah, which is basically what we do. But people 716 00:42:58,540 --> 00:43:01,440 don't realize because they always claim, oh, so and so. 717 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,300 With whatever group it was, it came up with the number system. 718 00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:10,020 And of course, when I saw that, I went, No, because I knew in 719 00:43:10,020 --> 00:43:14,820 college, there was a known educator, bass player named John 720 00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:18,960 mcagan, and he came up with a numerical system, but it was 721 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,140 done in Roman numerals, and he could spell out the chord, yeah, 722 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,820 with the Roman numerals, yeah. 723 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,480 You know, wasn't it Elvis backing singers that came up 724 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,040 with the Nashville Number System? 725 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:38,240 It was one of the, let me think the Jordanaires. That sounds 726 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,560 right, so you're right, yes, you're right, exactly. Yeah. I 727 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,220 think one of those guys, maybe his name was Neil, escapes me, 728 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,080 but yeah, he, he may. I mean, he did come up with it where you 729 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,980 just actually using the numbers comparatively to Roman numeral, 730 00:43:53,980 --> 00:43:56,380 sure, you know. But it was still an innovation. 731 00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:59,380 On that thing, we talked about hard truths, right? We talked 732 00:43:59,380 --> 00:44:02,040 about what somebody needs to know coming into town, right? 733 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,880 Yes, when I went to broadcasting school, there was one teacher 734 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,460 that we had that laid down a hard truth that I'll never 735 00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:12,300 forget. And he said, if you're not willing to move in this 736 00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:14,940 business, you might want to consider not getting into it. 737 00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:17,340 And it was one of those things where all of us were singing, 738 00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:19,860 and the dude is laid it on the line. I mean, moving to moving 739 00:44:19,980 --> 00:44:22,520 to other markets, you know? He says, If you want to move up in 740 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,980 this business here, and you're not willing to move, you might 741 00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:28,280 want to find something else to do. And I was like, Holy crap. 742 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,260 You know, I've lived in Connecticut all my life, and I'm 743 00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:34,760 sitting there at 22 you 21 years old at the time, going, Holy 744 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,040 crap, I'm gonna have to move from Connecticut. That's not 745 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,140 such a bad thing. But I never really thought I would have to 746 00:44:39,140 --> 00:44:39,560 do that. 747 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,060 And that's interesting, because one of the things that I always 748 00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:47,080 talk about when somebody says the advice, what advice? I said 749 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,940 White genre out of your mind. Because if you want to make a 750 00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:55,180 living and work in his business, you don't know. I mean, 751 00:44:55,180 --> 00:44:59,500 everything that you so uphold of this is, oh, this. This is the. 752 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,440 Brain music. This is so far greater than blah blah. I said, 753 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,920 then all of a sudden you're cutting yourself out because you 754 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,920 don't know that that jazz fusion group that you were in, or rock 755 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,160 fusion grits, it breaks up, and all of a sudden there's a 756 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,340 country opening and a country band. What are you going to do 757 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,720 if you have to make a living, if you're paying your bills with 758 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:25,040 that. And I said, overall, let's look at the reality of this. I 759 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,820 said, you don't condescend to humanity, you know, I'm sorry, 760 00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:32,660 but interesting. The person who delivers your mail, paves the 761 00:45:32,660 --> 00:45:36,080 road, roofs your house, just fixes your plumbing, all I'm 762 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:42,160 sorry they're not privy to your state of art, so the simplicity 763 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,560 of what they want to listen to is either from fun or it's for 764 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,220 somebody, our crafted songwriter, that is putting 765 00:45:51,220 --> 00:45:54,580 words in that you will hear that that are saying what you would 766 00:45:54,580 --> 00:45:57,700 want to say, Yeah, whether it's love, whether it's you know, who 767 00:45:57,700 --> 00:45:58,540 knows what it is, 768 00:45:58,540 --> 00:46:01,200 we need songwriters in The whole culture of Nashville, right? 769 00:46:01,260 --> 00:46:04,680 And the whole thing is, it doesn't need to be genre 770 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,880 Pacific, you know. So I always really want them to understand 771 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,180 that, you know, because you don't know for sure. Let's just 772 00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:15,360 say hypothetically, that you were, oh, no, I just love this 773 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,060 big band. This is what I want to do, everything like that. And 774 00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:18,480 then all of 775 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,340 a sudden, limited, limited. 776 00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:24,500 But you had a very healthy open mind. You understood you would 777 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:25,160 have to be very 778 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,220 that's good. And you know what you can detect that? It's like I 779 00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:31,580 could detect that even when we were conversing, you know? And 780 00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:34,340 again, it's the same kind of thing. And I'm sure now, my God, 781 00:46:34,340 --> 00:46:38,540 the network that you're doing now, God bless you. Because I 782 00:46:38,540 --> 00:46:42,160 came to one of those. It was a damn thing. Was it about two or 783 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,600 three years ago? Oh, we were over at, uh, the sound check, 784 00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:49,480 oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, the drummers weekends, yeah, drummers 785 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,780 weekend. And I just saw that, and I went, oh, it just is so 786 00:46:52,780 --> 00:46:57,760 incredible, you know, so in a sense, it is like passing on and 787 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,020 giving, you know, and nurturing and, 788 00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:04,440 well, I was nurtured. So it's our it's it's our responsibility 789 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,700 for any successful person to continue mentoring and to 790 00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:11,160 inspire a future. Just share what you've learned helping one 791 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,280 of our guests on our my other podcast pick rich brains, was my 792 00:47:14,460 --> 00:47:18,180 student, Sarah cardille, and she's the real deal, Sarah 793 00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:22,280 cardil, and she's just like a student of the drums, and so 794 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,460 focused, and so wants to do it. So she goes, Can you introduce 795 00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:27,920 me to liberty Devito? Can you introduce me to mark Shulman? 796 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,120 Can you introduce me to Kenny? 797 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,460 Like, of course, that's the one thing I was gonna bring up 798 00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:35,000 before the networking aspect of it. She's actually asking for 799 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,400 warm referrals, which is something and, you know, I do a 800 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,080 lot of business networking, and we're taught on on how ways to 801 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,840 ask for warm, hey, could you give me a warm introduction to 802 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,560 somebody I you know? And, okay, am I going to be able to put my 803 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,340 neck on the line for somebody? Yeah, ask him. Shall Receive, 804 00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:56,320 right? But, I mean, she asks unapologetically, and that's 805 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,060 good, that's fair. It is fantastic. 806 00:47:58,060 --> 00:48:01,140 Yeah, well, I guess my point was, is that still, there's 807 00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:05,820 something innate. And you that person that is wanting to know 808 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,880 you pretty well have an idea, yeah, of who they are. You know, 809 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,460 that's just an innate Bible, because we're so energy 810 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,420 motivated, yes, and you could tell if that person has 811 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,520 it, yeah, yeah. I ran into a guy the other day, an old friend of 812 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,780 mine, actually, and he does a certain blue collar trade. I'm 813 00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:31,040 not gonna mention what kind it is, but he, you know, I said, 814 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,320 look, there, I've got a project for you that could hand off to 815 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,660 you. Are you interested in quoting this? He's like, Well, 816 00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:37,880 what is it? I said, Well, it's this kind of a project. 817 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,420 Nah. Okay, 818 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,900 well, God, God bless him. I mean, you, you recommended me 819 00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:46,300 the guy to get this sign made, and he came and he did it in 820 00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:48,520 record time. And it's like, you know, awesome. It's like, we 821 00:48:48,580 --> 00:48:49,300 need these guys. 822 00:48:50,020 --> 00:48:52,480 But the funny thing, what am I point is, I do plot. I'm not a 823 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,240 plumber. But, I mean, if somebody you like, Hey, I've got 824 00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:58,240 business. I want to give you, I know your capabilities, but I'm 825 00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,720 not gonna give it to you all the time. If you're gonna start 826 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,960 turning really, you know? Yeah, you're not even gonna look into 827 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,420 it. Take the work. Take it out. I mean, do you come across that 828 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:09,060 as well? From, from, you know, you guys come across that from, 829 00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:11,580 from Pete, well, you know, I'm, it's not really my thing, you 830 00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:11,880 know. 831 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,240 Or it's happening more often these days. I mean, it's if, 832 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:18,360 when I moved here, when I was 27 years old, and somebody offered 833 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:24,020 me a job playing the drums, no matter what it paid. I did you 834 00:49:24,020 --> 00:49:28,940 did it? No, that's exactly I did it. And no. Job was too small. 835 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:34,580 And if, literally, I'm playing a restaurant and the and the guy 836 00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:37,640 wants me to learn 60 songs by the next day, I'm going to learn 837 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,540 all 60 songs. I'm going to write them out, because you never know 838 00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:43,180 who's going to be in that band, who's going to walk in the room 839 00:49:43,180 --> 00:49:47,920 and hear us playing, the guy with the yes, the cigar goes, 840 00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:51,580 Hey kid. And that's what I was hoping would happen to me in 841 00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:54,520 Dallas, Texas, yeah, and it never happened. So I knew I had 842 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,520 to go to New York, LA or Nashville, and I got that 843 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,740 audition with Trisha. I got that audit. Audition with Dina 844 00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:04,320 Carter. I got that audition with Barbara Mandrell, and the 845 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,320 writing was on the wall. They're like, kid, you sound great, but 846 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,400 you don't live here hard. You must be present to win. So like, 847 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,560 when you're talking about broadcast, yeah, you realize you 848 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,640 would have to move to a market, but to play an instrument or to 849 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,800 be in the big leagues in the music business, there's only 850 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,960 three cities. There's three cities and and New York is even 851 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,940 questionable, because you, you're going to be playing 852 00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:29,180 Broadway, right, which is right, you know, you're going to play 853 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,020 13 shows a week of cats, and you're going to live in New 854 00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:35,660 Jersey or Connecticut and have to commute in, right? That 855 00:50:35,660 --> 00:50:38,600 doesn't sound like fun to me. And or you're going to be 856 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,500 playing in wedding and Bar Mitzvah bands, yes, and so, 857 00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:44,380 like, I think a lot of people are moving to Nashville because 858 00:50:44,380 --> 00:50:47,200 it is one of the last places where the music business is 859 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:52,120 thriving and and I know a lot of my friends who have podcasts or 860 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,760 drummers who are creatives, they always want to talk a little bit 861 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,700 about this. And it's something that a lot a lot of people have 862 00:50:57,700 --> 00:51:01,380 talked about in the past, and that is, you had all those years 863 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:07,020 of major earnings. What do you do as a creative when you start 864 00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:09,360 to make a little bit of money? What do you do with your money? 865 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,920 What do you do? Buy real estate. Do you do stocks? What advice 866 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,700 would you give to a 23 year old kid that starts to make money? 867 00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:24,320 Well, first, don't live beyond your means, right? And try to do 868 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,580 it so that if, if what you're earning at that point is just 869 00:51:28,580 --> 00:51:33,800 maintaining, then that's fine. If things start when falling for 870 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,060 you. Yeah, real estate, there's nothing. They won't make any 871 00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:42,100 more of it. Yeah, I love it, and that's what I did fresh 872 00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:44,020 waterfront property in California. Yeah. 873 00:51:44,020 --> 00:51:47,560 So I'm probably like dining and or doing business at a bunch of 874 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,000 places that Eddie bears owns. 875 00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:54,100 No, no. But one of the first things I did when I came in and 876 00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:58,120 I could afford, I didn't buy a house, I bought a duplex, and I 877 00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,320 rented out the other side, 878 00:51:59,319 --> 00:52:02,939 perfect. You were such a you're so far, you were visionary, if 879 00:52:02,939 --> 00:52:05,939 you're thinking that way, yeah, a lot of that is our upbringing. 880 00:52:05,999 --> 00:52:09,119 Yeah, no, because there's not many people that think that way 881 00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:09,419 now, 882 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:16,200 oh no, no. And unfortunately, I knew some that when, oh, they 883 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,980 hit the big time. Yeah, you know, triple six figures and all 884 00:52:19,980 --> 00:52:24,860 like, that, and all of a sudden they're building $700,000 homes. 885 00:52:24,860 --> 00:52:28,040 Yeah, I said, Well, you know, you don't want to go ahead 886 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,640 unless you know you don't have to go back, you know, make sure 887 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,020 that every move that you make that you can do that, you know. 888 00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:40,360 So or you can justify the payment on it. Have something 889 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,500 that cash flows, the payment. 890 00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:45,040 Well, you can justify it, but make sure that you're you have a 891 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,800 mindset to say, I can make the payment, because right now I 892 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,820 have this job. 893 00:52:49,060 --> 00:52:51,700 And if anything, you see a lot of people, what if I don't? 894 00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:54,520 Yeah, there's a lot of people out there that, you know, the 895 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,720 bottom falls out. Okay, now what? And there's so you know, 896 00:52:58,720 --> 00:52:59,500 people are selling 897 00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:02,700 stuff. I know a couple of our guys, certainly not Mr. Name, 898 00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:05,220 but I know a couple of guys who planned on that they'd been with 899 00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:10,140 major artists for 1718, years, and all of a sudden it's done, 900 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,040 yep. And you would only hope that during that time, did you 901 00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:19,260 put away? Did you save, did you invest, you know, correctly, 902 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,420 yes, so that you can exist after this. Now you're talking about 903 00:53:23,420 --> 00:53:27,200 John Hobbs retiring. Yeah, that's, you know, I think more 904 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,320 about that the older I get. I'm like, a high energy guy. I'm 905 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,620 always going somewhere. I'm going you're the same way. Is 906 00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:35,240 that gonna happen? Are you gonna retire? 907 00:53:35,299 --> 00:53:39,499 No, me, yeah, no. Why? What do you like? I don't play 908 00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:44,200 golf. I did retire and and the only statement but he made, I 909 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,980 retired over 10 years ago from the union, yeah, but the only 910 00:53:47,980 --> 00:53:51,640 thing I have a friend that just said, I'm glad you retired so 911 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,620 you can do all this work, but no, you know what, and people 912 00:53:56,620 --> 00:53:59,320 even talk about longevity, and I'm sure both of you and every 913 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:05,040 facet can appreciate the one thing about it. Every morning, 914 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:10,080 when you get up and you realize you know what, you either get to 915 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,140 do a voiceover, you get to do this podcast, you get to go 916 00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:16,260 play. You're going to be out and doing and teach and do 917 00:54:16,260 --> 00:54:19,260 everything like that. I get to get the call. I can go to the 918 00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:25,220 Opry. I can do my session. There is not a given day that I am not 919 00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:32,060 in love with, that never and there's just no way that I could 920 00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:36,200 ever envision myself getting to a point of going I don't want to 921 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,200 do that, you know. And I've seen the adverse of that, where some 922 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,700 people, because work, diminished to a certain point where they 923 00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:43,780 become depressed. 924 00:54:44,980 --> 00:54:47,260 Their identity is gone, yeah, and 925 00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:52,780 they were living in that high time and everything like that. 926 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,380 And it's not even that they can't exist after that, but 927 00:54:56,380 --> 00:54:59,020 they're depressed because they're not doing that anymore, 928 00:54:59,140 --> 00:54:59,440 right? 929 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,060 Yeah. Yeah, you know, and it's tough to get a gig, yeah, 930 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:09,300 which I, you know, if that time comes, I accept that, you know, 931 00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:13,500 luckily, when I talk about the stigma the Opry, it was funny 932 00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:15,720 people would, oh, man, you don't want to do that. I'm telling 933 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:19,620 that people are going to start stigmatizing you about being an 934 00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:23,000 Opry drummer and all that. Have you got the equity that's 935 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,540 building up to that? Well, what's funny is, in the past 936 00:55:26,540 --> 00:55:29,420 three or four years, they're the ones that call me, hey man, if 937 00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:30,440 you ever need a sub, 938 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:31,520 yeah, 939 00:55:33,260 --> 00:55:35,840 maybe you're changing your shifting the perception of the 940 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,480 opry drummer. Well, I mean, I remember when I well, 941 00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:41,440 you know what the artistry, the general management when Pete 942 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,700 Fisher took over, diversified the artistry that came on 943 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,120 subsequent to him was Sally Williams, who's now leaving, but 944 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,920 we got Dan Rogers, but they always brought in social media 945 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,960 stars. So there was such a diverse group. When you look at 946 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,000 the lineups at the Opry and you're going, wow, you know. And 947 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,420 you look at even the opry stars, now we got Kelsey ballerina pro 948 00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:08,580 medicine show, yeah, you know, yeah. 949 00:56:08,580 --> 00:56:11,880 I remember when I used to play several times a month with Pam 950 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,580 Tillis, you know. And I would, you know, I'd have to, you'd get 951 00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:16,860 up and, you know, for there's any musicians out there, the 952 00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:19,920 opry drum chair is so interesting because, literally, 953 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,760 it's like, ladies and gentlemen, tonight's show is brought to you 954 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,300 by Martha white flower, and you've got 30 seconds to get on 955 00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:29,300 the drum set as a hydraulic throne. You can't be precious. 956 00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:32,720 It's like, you just got to get on and then, boom, the you got 957 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,120 your wedge, and it's just nothing but steel guitar, and 958 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,220 you can't hear the vocal, and you're just like, All right, we 959 00:56:37,220 --> 00:56:40,120 got to do this. We saw each other there last year. Yeah? You 960 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,600 just got to do it like I'm high fiving you, yeah, and then I do 961 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,120 my thing, and then you get off, and you got to get on and get 962 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,660 the show. It's the longest running radio show in history. 963 00:56:49,660 --> 00:56:54,280 Oh, yeah, yeah. And, and so, you know, you changed, you know, 964 00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:59,800 recorded history with your body of work, retired, you have 965 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:05,160 security, you have a legacy. And now you go into your second part 966 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,440 of your life for 18 years in that seat, you're crushing it, 967 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,960 yeah, but changing history again. The funny thing is, is 968 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,840 that there was a time where, because I worked in Vegas for 969 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,260 four years and for CBS Radio, and there was a time that if you 970 00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:22,400 took up a residency in Vegas as an artist. It was basically 971 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,640 where he went to die, right? Okay, and we're doing one this 972 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,420 year. But the funny, but here's the thing, Celine Dion, they 973 00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:33,260 built her an actual or, you know, space the the Coliseum at 974 00:57:33,260 --> 00:57:36,740 Caesars Palace back in, oh, two or so. And she did her show 975 00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:39,860 there. She had a residency, but I think she shifted the 976 00:57:39,860 --> 00:57:43,420 perception of that same way that you're doing because, hey, I can 977 00:57:43,420 --> 00:57:46,360 make my own choices. I don't need to do this. I'm doing this 978 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,720 because I want to do this. So the perception of it is probably 979 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:50,200 changing. 980 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,100 And I think overall it's like, oh, now rich and Jason Odin are 981 00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:57,100 going to take residency to fit. Well, no, that's been the lay of 982 00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:59,680 the land there for years. You know, like you said, Celine did 983 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,600 it, Marie and Donnie did it. Olivia Newton did it. And she 984 00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:07,080 would take one on and one off with Diane, Marie, she'd do a 985 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,020 month. They would do a month at the Flamingo, you know, and 986 00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:16,140 alternate that. And like with me, the word retirement was just 987 00:58:16,140 --> 00:58:18,960 a word, you know, because I'm not doing anything different 988 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,520 than I've done for over 50 years. 989 00:58:20,820 --> 00:58:23,060 Well, you know our buddy, Russ, Paul, I do sessions with him all 990 00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:26,060 the time. He's retired, yeah, but he's working every day. 991 00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:26,840 Yeah. You know, 992 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,220 whenever I receive something, it's, it's interesting because, 993 00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:35,960 and you know, you mentioned the players are, the five of us are 994 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,540 going into musicians Hall of Fame. That's incredible in 995 00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:41,740 October. Congrats. But, but but the thing about it is, is, when 996 00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:44,560 I was put into the Country Music Hall of Fame Nashville cat 997 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,340 series, what cost my mind? I mean, there and your peers are 998 00:58:48,340 --> 00:58:52,120 in there. It's an hour and a half, you know, and Bill Lloyd's 999 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,740 asking you're pulling things out that you go, Holy macro. Where 1000 00:58:56,740 --> 00:59:01,140 did you find that? You know? But as it's going on about 1001 00:59:01,140 --> 00:59:08,220 midstream, I start thinking, Hey, can I just say something? I 1002 00:59:08,220 --> 00:59:12,240 still, I'm still working. Yeah, yeah, this isn't a gold watch. 1003 00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:13,800 It's not a gold watch here. 1004 00:59:14,820 --> 00:59:18,420 It's really, it's really funny, like, you know, I have this 1005 00:59:18,540 --> 00:59:21,140 studio here, which is, it's nice to be creative and have a 1006 00:59:21,140 --> 00:59:24,560 creative space, even if it's just 500 square feet, to just 1007 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,080 call your own, throw a Persian rug on the floor and play some 1008 00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:31,340 drums. This House that this studio is connected to, I have 1009 00:59:31,340 --> 00:59:34,460 three young drummers that are that are in the place and and 1010 00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:40,040 when I moved out, I decorated the place with my memorabilia. 1011 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,420 So like, all sorts of press clippings and interesting little 1012 00:59:43,420 --> 00:59:45,880 things from my life, and I framed them all. They're like, 1013 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,720 Rich. This place is like a museum. It's like, it's like a 1014 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,660 red machine. Really weird. I was like, yeah, it is kind of weird 1015 00:59:52,660 --> 00:59:55,420 now, guys, but it was just a really affordable way to 1016 00:59:55,420 --> 00:59:58,720 decorate. But, um, but yeah, we, you know, we're alive. We're 1017 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,380 kicking, we're moving, we're. I want to stay relevant. I'm 1018 01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:06,120 changing, growing. Different things are happening. You know, 1019 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,480 put right. That's your book. I am so excited to give this to 1020 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,100 you, and it's like, I'm too young to write a memoir. You 1021 01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:16,440 need to write one, because you're the right age to write a 1022 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,780 memoir. We're gonna get you a co author, and you're gonna crank 1023 01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:21,260 out that book in it. People are gonna love it. But this is just 1024 01:00:21,260 --> 01:00:24,320 my take on what I know about the world and drumming and people, 1025 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,780 and we talked about relationships, and that's a big 1026 01:00:26,780 --> 01:00:29,660 part of the crash philosophy. Totally. Big time. 1027 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:30,980 Huge, wonderful. 1028 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,160 So, um, is there any other thing that you want to, just like, 1029 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,800 leave out there in the world and just say on this particular day 1030 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,080 about the state of the music industry, or where you're going 1031 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:39,440 with your 1032 01:00:39,439 --> 01:00:40,959 career? You know what I mean, 1033 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:48,580 I guess, in perspective, because I know there's always a lot of 1034 01:00:48,580 --> 01:00:52,060 controversy when it comes to the music today, comparatively to 1035 01:00:52,060 --> 01:00:55,000 that, you know, and whenever you talk about, well, country music 1036 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,420 isn't country music anymore. And I said, well, guess what, rock 1037 01:00:58,420 --> 01:01:01,140 and roll isn't boogie woogie either. Yeah. Yeah. You know, 1038 01:01:01,140 --> 01:01:03,900 there's been innovations on all genre that comes through. 1039 01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:06,840 But I mean, you know, even back in the day with the train beats, 1040 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:11,220 that was an adaptation of a previous generation as well, of 1041 01:01:11,220 --> 01:01:11,520 course, 1042 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,000 you know. And when you really think of so called rock and 1043 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,840 roll, when they think of some of the people like Bill Haley, 1044 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,500 Little Richard, stuff like that. I said, you know, I was doing 1045 01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:29,300 music for a play out of Canada, and it was about Hank senior. 1046 01:01:30,260 --> 01:01:33,860 And I started learning all the songs and everything. And there 1047 01:01:33,860 --> 01:01:38,660 was one song when you think about how long ago, called move 1048 01:01:38,660 --> 01:01:43,480 it on over, yep. And you know the song, but, but the the 1049 01:01:43,540 --> 01:01:47,560 structure of that song, moving on over, because the big dogs 1050 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:52,840 moving in. I mean, that's rock and roll. Yeah, early rock and 1051 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:53,080 roll, 1052 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,480 yeah. I mean, talking about train beats, you like, on the 1053 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,960 Johnny Johnny Cash song, like dude, real light with brushes, 1054 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,440 or light sticks on the edge of the snare drum. And then Eddie 1055 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,120 comes along in the 90s, and he's got rim shots and gated reverb, 1056 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,540 and the drums are like right here in the mix. And then the 1057 01:02:09,540 --> 01:02:12,300 Shania Twain records come around, and Paul limes got 80. 1058 01:02:12,540 --> 01:02:15,840 They choose 80 snare drums to figure out the best snare drums. 1059 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,660 And it's like a Def Leppard record. Things grow, change and 1060 01:02:18,660 --> 01:02:21,980 evolve, you know. So we just, we just are either going to be left 1061 01:02:21,980 --> 01:02:23,180 behind or moving forward. 1062 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:27,740 Well, and the innovations on our our enhancements, you know, I 1063 01:02:27,740 --> 01:02:32,000 really started years ago, when I was with Brent mayor, and we did 1064 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,360 the Judd records. We did Michael Johnson actually record on 1065 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:41,620 Richard Perry. But Brent and I started putting brains together 1066 01:02:41,620 --> 01:02:47,140 about triggering things, sure. So we basically took PCMS, and 1067 01:02:47,140 --> 01:02:50,980 when I first became aware of the lindrum, we were able to 1068 01:02:50,980 --> 01:02:55,900 innovate in there and fire those samples off with the piezo 1069 01:02:55,900 --> 01:03:01,020 triggers. Yeah. So, so the kick drum and the toms on, like a 1070 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,980 there's a song that I'm noted for was called, that's that from 1071 01:03:05,340 --> 01:03:09,240 Michael Johnson. Then the Judd records, when you hear them, 1072 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:14,040 it's the same thing. And so, in a sense, because when people 1073 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,820 say, well, sample, samples, I said, Yeah, but that's like a 1074 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,800 verb, you know, yeah, it is because I started using a 1075 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,540 Simmons five without the stereotype, you know, just but 1076 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:34,580 yes, and that triggering those was a unenhanced verb per se. So 1077 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,780 all those things that I would innovate on and come up with my 1078 01:03:38,780 --> 01:03:43,660 own method of doing anything that technically would come out. 1079 01:03:43,660 --> 01:03:47,560 And if I heard it and I didn't know it, I would learn it. Yeah, 1080 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,200 you know where some people were adverse going. I don't ever want 1081 01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:50,980 to get into that. 1082 01:03:50,980 --> 01:03:54,280 I remember buying my first drum cat. It was 1000 bucks. I was 1083 01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,680 like, Oh my God, that time. It was like, that could have been 1084 01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:01,140 $10,000 at the time, right? But I guys like, I have a drum cat, 1085 01:04:01,140 --> 01:04:05,400 right? And then moving through a Yamaha sampler, sequencer and 1086 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,480 and now, like all this gear that we would learn with all the 1087 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,240 knobs and everything, it's like the same technology, and like a, 1088 01:04:12,420 --> 01:04:14,160 like a Keurig coffee 1089 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,620 maker, you know, the drum for the layman that I've never heard 1090 01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:20,420 of a drum cat, it was a, it was a service that the rubber pads 1091 01:04:20,420 --> 01:04:23,840 had the shape of a cat's head exactly, and ears on it and 1092 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,780 stuff. Well, there's the first thing that comes to your mind. 1093 01:04:26,780 --> 01:04:29,240 I'm gonna ask a question. We gotta we'll wrap it up, sure. 1094 01:04:30,980 --> 01:04:34,160 Just instant response, the favorite song you've ever 1095 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,920 played. I was about to say that that's gotta be pretty hard to 1096 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:38,240 first one that comes to mind. 1097 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,680 First one that comes to mind is that's that, Michael 1098 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,920 Johnson, Michael Johnson, that's that, can people, can people 1099 01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,480 find that? Oh, they can find it okay. 1100 01:04:47,020 --> 01:04:50,020 Because the way the song was structured, it was like a 1101 01:04:50,020 --> 01:04:53,920 deceptive you think you know where the feel of the song is, 1102 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,780 and by our inspiration at the end of it, when it breaks out, I 1103 01:04:58,780 --> 01:05:03,240 was thinking. Phil Collins, so I was doing those sporadic fills, 1104 01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:10,500 and then I got in because the feel of the song was right. 1105 01:05:10,620 --> 01:05:13,200 That's what I did the whole thing. And then when it got into 1106 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:22,220 the end, I went boom, and it got into that, yeah. So it is a, it 1107 01:05:22,220 --> 01:05:26,360 is a, you know, where you creatively are inspired. The 1108 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:31,280 rest of things were, man, I it would be hard to say that's the 1109 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,580 first one that comes to mind, but there's so many more, you 1110 01:05:34,580 --> 01:05:34,940 know, 1111 01:05:34,940 --> 01:05:38,480 1000s. Well, you came on my radar when, when the Trisha had, 1112 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,640 everybody knows record, yeah, boom, did the boom, yeah. And 1113 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:47,500 that's a fill I used to this day, shut that, that flam Baba, 1114 01:05:47,620 --> 01:05:52,840 and it's and then you are so recognizable on the radio, like 1115 01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:57,340 all your little the transitions that do, dumps, cross stick. And 1116 01:05:57,820 --> 01:06:00,360 I think it's because you have that musical mind of being a 1117 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,720 trained piano player and knowing what to stay out of the way 1118 01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:06,060 musical, you know, have a musical mind, and that's 1119 01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:08,100 probably more important than being a chop 1120 01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:11,400 Meister, like, like the guy from Dream Theater, right? 1121 01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,320 Well, he plays that music the way he sees way 1122 01:06:13,319 --> 01:06:15,419 supposed to be played, yeah? But, well, you know, 1123 01:06:15,419 --> 01:06:18,599 interestingly enough, because I had talked to him before, when 1124 01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:23,479 my wrist was destroyed and I was put back together. It was like a 1125 01:06:23,479 --> 01:06:29,179 Les Paul syndrome, because the orthopedic that did it on the 1126 01:06:29,179 --> 01:06:33,859 ongoing he said, If you ever do play again, I'll go, what? Yeah, 1127 01:06:33,859 --> 01:06:37,099 excuse me. He said, How are you going to hold your sticks? I 1128 01:06:37,099 --> 01:06:40,959 said, overhand. Yeah, I would be. And so he put all this 1129 01:06:40,959 --> 01:06:44,979 together that way, because I have a rebuilt scaffold, your 1130 01:06:44,980 --> 01:06:47,080 bike, your bionic Yes, 1131 01:06:50,380 --> 01:06:54,640 you know, with that, there was some technical aspects that went 1132 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,220 away, unfortunately, but meat and potatoes, 1133 01:06:57,220 --> 01:07:00,120 you will always have your feel. You always have your heart. You 1134 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:04,020 will always have your soul and your recognizable approach to 1135 01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:04,320 things. 1136 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,400 Barry Beckett always just said, it's about a groove, yeah, man, 1137 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:09,600 that's 1138 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,480 what I tell the kids. Can you choose the right thing to play 1139 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,780 quickly and do that for three and a half minutes, and make it 1140 01:07:15,780 --> 01:07:18,540 feel good, make the band smile, make the artist smile, make 1141 01:07:18,540 --> 01:07:20,480 people dance. That's the goal, 1142 01:07:20,540 --> 01:07:24,260 and be able to honor the song. Honor the song, just like you 1143 01:07:24,260 --> 01:07:30,680 just said, when you got down, you simplicity went, boom, you 1144 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:36,320 know you obviously, I know what you can do, because we had 1145 01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,840 talked about this before, when all this was happening, 1146 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,340 everything I talked to her, I said, you know, I would love to 1147 01:07:42,340 --> 01:07:44,920 get with you, because he's such a technician, that I would love 1148 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:49,840 to have innovations on how I could enhance that. But I was 1149 01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,960 trying to think, what would I use it for? 1150 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,560 Yeah, yeah. And it's funny for a case in point, you know, we're 1151 01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,180 talking about songs with legacy that let you know have they're 1152 01:08:00,180 --> 01:08:03,600 just good songs. Yeah, one of the best ones out there that has 1153 01:08:03,660 --> 01:08:06,960 tons of legacy is, don't stop believing by journey. All right? 1154 01:08:07,260 --> 01:08:10,740 When a song is played right, right, when a song is played 1155 01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:13,980 right, it just my brother instilled in me He's okay. He's 1156 01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:19,200 a piano player as well, and he said, do not change up how these 1157 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:23,300 songs are played. I don't care how Neil Pierce would play the 1158 01:08:23,300 --> 01:08:27,740 Fill from, you know, Carry on my wayward son. Play it like the 1159 01:08:27,740 --> 01:08:31,940 way the guy played, yeah, you know, so in that song, with that 1160 01:08:31,940 --> 01:08:35,240 being hammered in me over years and years and years, playing 1161 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:40,240 with my brother, yeah, if I see somebody play, don't stop 1162 01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,300 believing the wrong way, and their drives me bonkers. 1163 01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,900 It was put together purposely. It goes right with the guitar 1164 01:08:46,900 --> 01:08:49,360 part. All that Dean got 1165 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,680 played with the left hand lead, and he's playing everything with 1166 01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:55,180 his it's brilliant. 1167 01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,420 Yeah, that guitar players. One of the greatest stuff I heard. 1168 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,520 Yeah, so fun. Sean, so fun to have you here, buddy. What? Uh, 1169 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,880 how can people find you? Eddie bears.com, Eddie bears.com, 1170 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:10,200 what's your discography on there? Is your just, is your 1171 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,800 recorded discography on that? It is, and my movie credits, I own, 1172 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,020 plus, so probably can go to, like, all music. 1173 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,500 Calm. That's, that's where my discography from my website 1174 01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:19,980 links to, 1175 01:09:20,099 --> 01:09:23,539 okay, perfect. That's smart. So that's, that's like 100 pages of 1176 01:09:23,540 --> 01:09:28,880 stuff. You know, there's, right now, there's 1080 something. 1177 01:09:30,859 --> 01:09:37,099 Albums, yeah, albums, albums, 1081 which, ironically, we talk 1178 01:09:37,099 --> 01:09:41,319 about diversity right now. The Center for 2019 was a record I 1179 01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:42,399 did with Stevie Nicks. 1180 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,100 Nice, yeah, what's, 1181 01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:47,380 what's one thing you would love to do that you never had the 1182 01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:50,440 opportunity to do or play, style of music or anything, style, 1183 01:09:50,440 --> 01:09:53,260 Yeah, boy, 1184 01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,880 I would have to get with rich and learn it. 1185 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,280 So, you know, it's so funny. We, you know, we train our whole 1186 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,760 lives to be stylistically diverse and bend genres. And, 1187 01:10:06,060 --> 01:10:09,240 you know, people, people that might not know anything about 1188 01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,760 our history or schooling, they just go, oh yeah, he's that guy 1189 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,460 that just gets up there and bashes those al Dean songs out. 1190 01:10:14,460 --> 01:10:17,460 You know, that's fine. You know, so much more to what you do. 1191 01:10:17,460 --> 01:10:18,660 That's how they that's how they 1192 01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:23,480 see. I know, yeah, only from his beginnings. I know. So you know, 1193 01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:28,340 when I, if anybody you know, tries to say, Oh yeah, he just 1194 01:10:28,340 --> 01:10:28,940 does that, 1195 01:10:28,940 --> 01:10:30,440 yeah. Then, yeah, you 1196 01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:34,460 try it, and he's got my back guys, back off. I know what it's 1197 01:10:34,460 --> 01:10:36,860 like to play that I can't play like him. Well, 1198 01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,020 one on one, come on over here to the studio here and sit down, 1199 01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,680 yeah, show you what he can do. And let's see if you can do 1200 01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:44,860 that. 1201 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,620 11 years ago, when he and I became friends, we used to put a 1202 01:10:47,620 --> 01:10:50,260 lot of videos up, and I did a lot of video work for him. And 1203 01:10:50,260 --> 01:10:52,360 some of the comments we would get be like, Oh, anybody could 1204 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,660 do that. I'm like, Oh, yeah. Well, you try it. Well, you try 1205 01:10:55,660 --> 01:10:59,080 cranking out a song in three and a half minutes, and have them be 1206 01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,400 happy with it and keep getting called back, yeah, and play it 1207 01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,620 well. But see, that's the dilemma I was mentioned about. 1208 01:11:04,620 --> 01:11:07,380 These are the people who create the state of art in our mind, 1209 01:11:07,380 --> 01:11:11,400 and they condescend to anything lesser, you know, yeah, instead 1210 01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:16,800 of somebody who has that gift that Why longevity is there, is 1211 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,800 because, you know what I am with this artist, and this is the 1212 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,100 songs he doesn't I honor those songs. Yeah. 1213 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,020 Yeah. You know the real, 1214 01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,720 I think the real skill in a live drummer is to go out there and 1215 01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:34,820 say, I'm gonna play hick town for the 10th 1,000th time, like 1216 01:11:34,820 --> 01:11:37,820 it's the first time. And that's do. That's really the discipline 1217 01:11:37,820 --> 01:11:41,020 that comes from that job. And then a session drummer, you're 1218 01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,320 it. You're almost like a jazz Museum. You have to quickly 1219 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,220 improvise in the moment, come up with something that's perfect. 1220 01:11:48,220 --> 01:11:50,980 You're improvising, right? You're you're in, you're CR 1221 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:55,000 you're improvising a part and then being able to execute it 1222 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,220 quickly with a click track. 1223 01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,720 Well, there's, there's more to that, and that is, you'll be 1224 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,980 given a basic format. Right through that process, they're 1225 01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:07,500 going to go, oh, by the way, now we're not going to do that 1226 01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:09,960 instrumental now. Now we're going to go to here, and this is 1227 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,060 going to be half and this is going to be going to three 1228 01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:14,400 occur, and we're going to start editing this down there. How 1229 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,820 quick can you retain that? Yeah, and perform it. Yeah. 1230 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,260 The your hick town. I was just thinking about that. That story 1231 01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:25,160 back in my cover band days, that was my Enter Sandman. So when we 1232 01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,920 used to play Enter Sandman, and it's like, my eyes would roll. 1233 01:12:30,740 --> 01:12:35,420 But you have, I've, I've watched you in the couple shows that we 1234 01:12:35,420 --> 01:12:38,420 saw you, believe is in Charlotte, and it was a band 1235 01:12:38,420 --> 01:12:43,660 opening up for you that the drummer. This is like, just 1236 01:12:43,660 --> 01:12:46,780 phoning it in, you know, no energy. You could read his face. 1237 01:12:46,780 --> 01:12:50,920 The whole band was kind of like that. And it was like, wow, this 1238 01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,100 is really not fun for me, you know. And then you guys, come 1239 01:12:54,100 --> 01:12:57,520 on. You guys, bring the fire. Of course, just just, you're happy 1240 01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,980 to be there, you know, what you got, you know, and the but the 1241 01:12:59,980 --> 01:13:00,300 guys who 1242 01:13:00,300 --> 01:13:03,000 proceeded, there's like, Man, oh, people are paying to be 1243 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,400 there. You know, it's like, it has an effect on the audience. 1244 01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:10,260 $20 an hour for a babysitter and then $180 tickets and $20 beers 1245 01:13:10,260 --> 01:13:13,020 and then parking. You better step up to the plate, right? 1246 01:13:13,140 --> 01:13:14,340 Yeah, but, 1247 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,220 but you but not everybody understands that. 1248 01:13:17,220 --> 01:13:20,100 Yeah. You know, what a thrill. This is such a thrill. Thank you 1249 01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:22,340 so much for being here, yeah? Man, oh my god, good to meet 1250 01:13:22,340 --> 01:13:24,920 you, man, and we definitely have to go out and get that Martini. 1251 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,460 Eddie and I, we like our martinis. Man, real nice, real 1252 01:13:28,460 --> 01:13:31,460 cold. Ladies and Gentlemen, thanks for watching. This has 1253 01:13:31,460 --> 01:13:35,240 been the rich Redmond show. Be sure to like, rate, share and 1254 01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,700 comment. We'll see you next time this 1255 01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:42,520 has been the rich Redmond show, subscribe, rate and follow along 1256 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,000 at rich redmond.com, forward slash podcasts you.