The Undefeated Underdogs

Tune in to hear Rand Fishkin (468K Twitter followers, SparkToro, Oprah Guest Star, multi-company founder) and Sharath discuss the presence of community in marketing today, work-life balance, and making smart career moves.

Show Notes

๐Ÿ‘‰๐Ÿผ About the Guest:

Rand Fishkin is cofounder and CEO of SparkToro, makers of fine audience research software. Heโ€™s dedicated his professional life to helping people do better marketing through his writing, videos, speaking, and his book, Lost and Founder. When Randโ€™s not working, heโ€™s usually cooking a fancy meal for the love of his life, author Geraldine DeRuiter. If you bribe him with great pasta or fancy cocktails, heโ€™ll pull back the curtain on big techโ€™s dark secrets.

๐Ÿ‘‰๐Ÿผ About the Host:

Sharath is a founder, creator, and community builder. He is also a serial maker who built and shipped 15+ projects using no-code tools. His SaaS product Shoutout generates $30k ARR which was sold to a UK-based product studio. Prev, Sharath worked for world-changing startups like Product Hunt and On Deck, where he helped build and nurture communities. He also grew his audience on Twitter from 200 to 20,000 using give-first principles and creating high-value content. Currently, he is the Head of Community at Threado and runs a newsletter called Sharath's CliffNotes alongside hosting this podcast.

Timestamps:
  • 0:00 | Episode highlight
  • 0:48 | Intro to Rand Fishkin
  • 2:56 | What drew Rand to a career in marketing?
  • 6:20 | Rand's SEO mentors
  • 10:09 | What made Rand bet on SEO?
  • 16:01 | Moving from consulting to software
  • 19:41 | The non-scalability of consulting vs the omnipresence of tech
  • 28:47 | Rand's experience with depression as a founder
  • 37:03 | Rand's 3-Step Framework for startup founders
  • 43:08 | The mistakes founders make while marketing
  • 46:43 | Community's role in marketing
  • 52:42 | The secret to an uber-profitable 3-person startup team
  • 59:48 | Building the 'contentment' muscle
  • 1:07:11 | Marketing trends from 2023
  • 1:11:01 | Rapid Fire 5: Rand's favorite marketing person to meeting Oprah for the first time
  • 1:19:31 | Wrapping up

๐Ÿ‘‰๐Ÿผ Resources mentioned in the pod:
  • Shoutout.so
  • SparkToro: https://sparktoro.com/
  • "Lost and Founder: A Painfully Honest Field Guide to the Startup World": https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Founder-Painfully-Honest-Startup/dp/0735213321
  • Moz: https://moz.com
  • FTC Proposes Rule to Ban Noncompete Clauses, Which Hurt Workers and Harm Competition: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/01/ftc-proposes-rule-ban-noncompete-clauses-which-hurt-workers-harm-competition
๐Ÿ‘‰๐Ÿผ Shoutouts to awesome people:
  • Amanda Natividad: https://undefeatedunderdogs.com/8
  • Aaron Wall: http://www.seobook.com/about.shtml
  • Nandini Jammi and Claire Atkin of Check My Ads: https://twitter.com/CheckMyAdsHQ
  • Nathan of ConvertKit: https://nathanbarry.com/
๐Ÿ‘‰๐Ÿผ Where to find Rand Fishkin:
๐Ÿ‘‰๐Ÿผ Where to find Sharath:

What is The Undefeated Underdogs?

The Undefeated Underdogs is a podcast unpacking the underdog stories you never heard of!

It highlights the underdog mentality and brings authentic conversations with people who play the long game, take action with a chip on their shoulders, and convert obstacles into opportunities!

Buckle up, as I will be bringing some authentic founders, VCs, community builders, and content creators who got underestimated their whole life, and yet they beat the odds and became insanely successful!