WEBVTT

NOTE
This file was generated by Descript 

00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320
Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs
Podcast, the show for dog lovers who

00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000
see dogs not as toys or tools, but
wise souls worth our respect and care.

00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559
I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host.

00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560
I talk to poor some humans, people who
do great work for dogs and their people.

00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360
So come and join us for
today's conversation.

00:00:25.205 --> 00:00:26.955
Anke: Hello and welcome, Charlie.

00:00:27.015 --> 00:00:29.045
I'm very happy to have you here today.

00:00:29.700 --> 00:00:30.970
Charlie: Thank you so much for having me.

00:00:30.970 --> 00:00:33.310
I'm excited to be returning the favor.

00:00:33.310 --> 00:00:38.080
You were on my show and now here
I am on yours, so I'm excited.

00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:39.530
Anke: Me too, me too.

00:00:39.980 --> 00:00:44.930
So before we dig into our very, I
was just about to say me too topic,

00:00:46.340 --> 00:00:51.824
which it might be, um, let people know
where in this lovely world are you

00:00:51.824 --> 00:00:53.670
and so what's your business with dogs?

00:00:55.745 --> 00:00:59.175
Charlie: Yeah, so I am located
on the east coast of the U.

00:00:59.175 --> 00:00:59.525
S.

00:00:59.555 --> 00:01:03.755
Um, I live in south central Pennsylvania,
originally from Lancaster County,

00:01:03.755 --> 00:01:05.505
which is known as Amish country.

00:01:05.535 --> 00:01:11.125
But, um, yeah, my business with dogs
is I've always been an animal lover.

00:01:11.435 --> 00:01:14.195
Um, knew that I probably
didn't want to have children.

00:01:14.195 --> 00:01:17.855
And so animals and dogs specifically
were always going to be that,

00:01:18.275 --> 00:01:19.885
you know, fill that space for me.

00:01:19.895 --> 00:01:20.515
Okay, Anne.

00:01:21.295 --> 00:01:26.905
As I got older, um, you know, I, I
started learning more about, um, their

00:01:26.905 --> 00:01:31.825
care and I even have a degree in animal
nutrition and so it's always kind of

00:01:31.825 --> 00:01:38.965
been a part of my life and now I am,
you know, teaching, um, real dog food

00:01:38.975 --> 00:01:45.605
nutrition to others and also, um, doing
some ghost writing for the pet and

00:01:45.605 --> 00:01:47.735
equine industries, so it's kind of.

00:01:48.385 --> 00:01:52.095
A roundabout way of, you know,
doing what I love, but here I am.

00:01:52.925 --> 00:01:53.155
Anke: I love it.

00:01:53.225 --> 00:01:54.365
It's a dog's life, isn't it?

00:01:55.505 --> 00:01:55.835
Charlie: Yeah.

00:01:56.525 --> 00:01:59.725
Anke: You know, especially when you get
to combine, you know, when you do the

00:02:00.025 --> 00:02:05.075
writing and also in that space, I just
love that when it's all coming together.

00:02:05.405 --> 00:02:10.145
So I think let's just dig into
the food piece first because,

00:02:10.195 --> 00:02:16.955
um, what, like what sparked your
interest in that topic specifically?

00:02:19.085 --> 00:02:23.045
Charlie: Yeah, I originally thought I
was gonna go, um, be a vet, and so that's

00:02:23.125 --> 00:02:28.245
kind of why I majored, um, you know, in
animal nutrition and animal science, and

00:02:28.245 --> 00:02:32.405
then it actually ended up, I didn't go to
vet school, I, I do work in agriculture,

00:02:32.435 --> 00:02:38.095
but, um, really where my kind of deep
dive into pet nutrition came is when I

00:02:38.095 --> 00:02:46.185
got, um, my very first Bernese Mountain
Dog, uh, back in 2013, um, um, And as

00:02:46.185 --> 00:02:52.795
a puppy, uh, he had constant diarrhea
just every single day right from the day

00:02:52.795 --> 00:02:54.345
we brought him home from the breeder.

00:02:54.385 --> 00:02:55.875
Um, it didn't matter.

00:02:55.885 --> 00:03:00.285
I mean, we had him to I don't know
how many different vets, specialists.

00:03:00.595 --> 00:03:06.985
Um, we, you know, had stomach
biopsies, allergy panels, tried this

00:03:07.285 --> 00:03:11.485
prescription food, that prescription
food, you know, yogurt, pumpkin,

00:03:11.905 --> 00:03:14.835
antibiotics, prebiotics, probiotics,
you know, the whole nine yards.

00:03:14.875 --> 00:03:16.640
And Nothing was working.

00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:22.850
Everything, you know, the only thing that
would work was is if he, um, was eating

00:03:22.850 --> 00:03:28.720
like a bland diet, like just ground burger
and rice, you know, they tell you to do.

00:03:29.150 --> 00:03:34.470
And so eventually, you know, I kind
of started, it took five months, but I

00:03:34.670 --> 00:03:38.170
started putting two and two together,
like, hey, the only time that he is

00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:43.570
Not, you know, pooping water is when
he's eating this type of food, and

00:03:43.570 --> 00:03:47.800
so we were, um, we had him in puppy
kindergarten at the time, and I just

00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:52.050
mentioned all the struggles we were
having to the dog trainer, and I said,

00:03:52.060 --> 00:03:56.770
do you have any, like, advice, you
know, for this, and She said, well, you

00:03:56.770 --> 00:03:59.400
can try, you know, feeding raw food.

00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:02.490
She said, I've been doing that
with my dogs for years and

00:04:02.550 --> 00:04:04.450
I've never had any gut issues.

00:04:04.820 --> 00:04:07.540
Um, and at first I was very skeptical.

00:04:07.630 --> 00:04:11.900
I was like, no, I'm not like, that's,
that's not something we should do.

00:04:11.910 --> 00:04:14.430
You know, it's, um, it's not hygienic.

00:04:14.490 --> 00:04:15.760
He's going to get sick.

00:04:15.770 --> 00:04:19.400
You know, I just had no
idea about it at all.

00:04:19.400 --> 00:04:20.830
And I was very skeptical.

00:04:20.830 --> 00:04:21.880
And she said, that's fine.

00:04:21.890 --> 00:04:22.750
Like, here's the.

00:04:23.190 --> 00:04:27.140
You know, contact of who I get my food
from and anytime you want to give it a

00:04:27.140 --> 00:04:32.710
try, you know, you're welcome to and so
a couple of weeks go by and I'm like,

00:04:32.710 --> 00:04:36.610
you know what, I'm just at my wits end,
like, you know, we were up every hour

00:04:36.610 --> 00:04:41.220
on the hour at night with him, you know,
we'd come home and have to clean him up,

00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:46.670
we'd have to have people come over to
the house to let him out, you know, on a

00:04:46.670 --> 00:04:50.700
regular schedule while we worked and I was
like, I can't, I can't do this anymore.

00:04:50.700 --> 00:04:54.620
So I ended up, you know, contacting
the people that she had given me the

00:04:54.620 --> 00:04:59.980
name of and bought some raw food from
them and we switched him cold turkey,

00:04:59.980 --> 00:05:03.930
which I know they tell you not to do,
um, but at that point we didn't have

00:05:03.930 --> 00:05:08.010
anything else to lose other than our
sleep sanity and our dog's health.

00:05:08.090 --> 00:05:13.740
So we switched him cold turkey
that night and within 24 hours,

00:05:14.235 --> 00:05:16.905
He never had a runny poop again.

00:05:17.365 --> 00:05:22.230
Um, and I was I was like, well,
you know, this can't be a fluke.

00:05:22.230 --> 00:05:26.400
I've literally tried everything else that
professional medicine has told me to do

00:05:26.880 --> 00:05:29.180
for this dog, and nothing has worked.

00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:36.500
Um, and so I just became a firm believer,
and I've kind of never looked back, so.

00:05:37.740 --> 00:05:42.160
Anke: Like, I mean, obviously I love
that you found a solution that, that,

00:05:42.325 --> 00:05:46.525
you know, basically brought peace
to your dog's gut and your life.

00:05:47.475 --> 00:05:54.425
But I still find it's flabbergasted that,
like how, I mean, especially asking you

00:05:54.425 --> 00:06:00.035
that you've been sort of in involved in
the topic for quite a quite ATI time now.

00:06:00.355 --> 00:06:05.235
Like why is it that like
no vet ever thought of.

00:06:09.085 --> 00:06:12.055
Charlie: So I, I have a unique
perspective on that, I think,

00:06:12.055 --> 00:06:14.215
because I was going to go be a vet.

00:06:14.215 --> 00:06:18.475
And so I have a very traditional,
um, education on that.

00:06:18.475 --> 00:06:21.015
And I'm also friends with
a lot of small animal vets.

00:06:21.015 --> 00:06:25.065
And I've asked them that, you know,
and I've said like, Why, why do you not

00:06:25.085 --> 00:06:29.895
take people down this road if they've
been through what we were, went through?

00:06:30.325 --> 00:06:30.595
And.

00:06:31.390 --> 00:06:35.690
From their perspective, and I do
understand this to a point, you know, they

00:06:35.690 --> 00:06:41.950
will say, well, it's very difficult for,
um, someone who has not had, you know,

00:06:42.270 --> 00:06:46.850
education in nutrition to really be able
to feed their animal in such a way that

00:06:46.850 --> 00:06:51.240
they know for certain that they're getting
all the vitamins, nutrients, you know,

00:06:51.250 --> 00:06:55.702
minerals that they need, um, outside of
just and a, uh, um, a lot of them have all

00:06:55.702 --> 00:06:56.645
been It's pouring some kibble in a bowl.

00:06:56.945 --> 00:07:00.945
You know, they say, yes, we, we
agree that it's not the best quality.

00:07:00.945 --> 00:07:05.985
It's not the best nutritional value,
but it does at least do the bare

00:07:05.985 --> 00:07:10.985
minimum of keeping your dog breathing
and, you know, moving forward in life.

00:07:11.455 --> 00:07:12.925
That's a very low bar.

00:07:13.165 --> 00:07:18.035
Um, but on the other hand, it
does keep them safe, you know,

00:07:18.045 --> 00:07:19.725
from a liability standpoint.

00:07:20.605 --> 00:07:25.035
Now the one thing I will say though on
the other side is that It really would

00:07:25.035 --> 00:07:29.285
only take a little bit of education, you
know, you don't have to have a degree

00:07:29.285 --> 00:07:34.615
in animal nutrition to just start making
small changes to your dog's diet to

00:07:34.615 --> 00:07:36.665
really see significant improvements.

00:07:36.685 --> 00:07:41.920
And so, you know, I would say to vets
then, like, Make sure you're just doing

00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:45.810
a little bit of education each time,
especially if people are having trouble

00:07:45.810 --> 00:07:49.990
with their dogs like I was, and especially
if they're asking the questions.

00:07:49.990 --> 00:07:55.720
You know, don't just, um, go with like
the gut response and think outside the

00:07:55.720 --> 00:08:00.830
box a little bit to help not only the
owner, but also the animal as well.

00:08:01.200 --> 00:08:01.660
Anke: Hmm.

00:08:02.250 --> 00:08:05.330
I mean, in my case, I remember,
I mean, you know, that's like I

00:08:05.340 --> 00:08:08.620
shared that on your podcast is
when, when I first had Leo, it was.

00:08:09.085 --> 00:08:15.355
Almost like, not just that nobody
would point me in this direction, they

00:08:15.365 --> 00:08:22.685
would like actively kind of almost
like put like the guilt trip on.

00:08:22.745 --> 00:08:27.345
It's like, oh no, you've got to,
like don't ever feed anything other

00:08:27.345 --> 00:08:29.845
than this kind of kibble, you know.

00:08:29.845 --> 00:08:32.575
So it's almost like, well,
you know, I don't know.

00:08:32.995 --> 00:08:38.145
Uh, so it does, and that's the thing
I felt that was kind of, It was harder

00:08:38.145 --> 00:08:42.025
to deal with in a sense because you
do trust the man like, oh, they should

00:08:42.085 --> 00:08:47.075
know, you know, at least enough to not
kind of harm the dog, you know, so you

00:08:47.115 --> 00:08:53.155
think, well, but, um, it feels like
more and more people are now looking.

00:08:53.155 --> 00:08:57.015
And also you could even like, at least
here where I am, you can even tell

00:08:57.045 --> 00:09:01.405
by what's available because like,
yeah, 20 years ago, you wouldn't find

00:09:01.415 --> 00:09:04.125
the kind of food that the options.

00:09:04.195 --> 00:09:06.415
And if you look at the ingredients, I.

00:09:06.910 --> 00:09:09.440
People have come sort of to
their senses a little bit.

00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:10.680
Is that your experience too?

00:09:12.280 --> 00:09:13.210
Charlie: Yeah, definitely.

00:09:13.210 --> 00:09:16.620
I mean, I, and I think I even asked you
this on my podcast and your response

00:09:16.620 --> 00:09:20.380
was, you know, well, I don't, I don't
go around telling people necessarily

00:09:20.380 --> 00:09:22.430
that I feed my dogs this way.

00:09:22.460 --> 00:09:24.155
I mean, I do more than you do, just.

00:09:24.445 --> 00:09:30.085
with the business that I have, but, you
know, I do try to, um, at least make

00:09:30.085 --> 00:09:35.825
it known, um, what worked for us when
people ask me, so that there is kind of

00:09:35.825 --> 00:09:40.615
that little seed put into their brain of
like, oh, maybe there is another option

00:09:40.645 --> 00:09:42.995
out here than what my vet is telling me.

00:09:43.415 --> 00:09:48.130
And again, I would never tell anyone to
go against veterinary advice, but On the

00:09:48.130 --> 00:09:53.290
other hand, you know, it is your life,
your dog, and you know, your gut feeling,

00:09:53.290 --> 00:09:57.750
and so if something isn't working, don't
be afraid to question that, you know.

00:09:57.750 --> 00:10:03.870
But I do think that people are becoming
more open and aware of the different

00:10:03.890 --> 00:10:08.150
types of, you know, diets that, that
pets can have, just like we're becoming

00:10:08.150 --> 00:10:11.680
more aware of the different diets
that, you know, work for, for people.

00:10:12.050 --> 00:10:13.910
Um, and I definitely
am on board with that.

00:10:14.020 --> 00:10:18.400
I definitely think that, you know,
more questioning and more saying,

00:10:18.410 --> 00:10:22.940
well, that's You know, this worked for
so and so, maybe it'll work for me.

00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:28.070
I think that curiosity is, is a great
thing and we have to just continue that.

00:10:28.070 --> 00:10:28.490
My

00:10:29.270 --> 00:10:32.100
Anke: curiosity and the willingness
to research, I mean, see what I've

00:10:32.290 --> 00:10:36.785
really kind of struck me that I hadn't
even considered until I started.

00:10:37.195 --> 00:10:41.145
looking in this direction, like reading
the labels to start with so you don't

00:10:41.145 --> 00:10:47.215
get blinded by the pretty picture on
the front, um, was that like commercial

00:10:47.215 --> 00:10:51.045
dog food hasn't actually been around
for all that long, you know, like

00:10:51.045 --> 00:10:54.745
dogs before lived and probably weren't
as sick as they're now, you know.

00:10:56.540 --> 00:11:00.670
Charlie: Yeah, that's actually been,
you know, um, talked about in a lot of

00:11:00.670 --> 00:11:04.810
different books and publications, um, you
know, because it really is something that

00:11:04.810 --> 00:11:09.860
was just kind of brought to the forefront
in, like, the 19th, late 19th, early 20th

00:11:09.870 --> 00:11:14.500
century of feeding dogs that way, you
know, otherwise dogs and their ancestors

00:11:14.500 --> 00:11:18.890
and wolves, you know, they just ate what
their humans ate or they just ate whatever

00:11:18.890 --> 00:11:23.605
they could get from, you know, the wild
and, you know, They were living longer,

00:11:23.605 --> 00:11:27.725
they were living healthier, you know, and
then all of a sudden with the advent of

00:11:27.745 --> 00:11:32.965
commercial kibble and the convenience of
it for the humans, you know, we've started

00:11:32.965 --> 00:11:39.645
to see this astronomical rise in, you
know, pet cancer and of allergies, um, you

00:11:39.645 --> 00:11:46.685
know, pets dying younger and younger, and
I don't understand why it's taken us this

00:11:46.685 --> 00:11:48.835
long to kind of put two and two together.

00:11:48.845 --> 00:11:52.470
Now there is a lot of, like,
lobbying and obviously the pet

00:11:52.470 --> 00:11:57.760
industry, pet food industry is a
massive, um, you know, conglomerate.

00:11:57.760 --> 00:12:01.000
So there's a lot of people that
don't want you to know those

00:12:01.010 --> 00:12:03.785
things, but Yeah, it is true.

00:12:03.785 --> 00:12:08.355
I mean, our dogs did not eat
this way until just the last,

00:12:08.365 --> 00:12:11.975
you know, even 70 years, really.

00:12:12.505 --> 00:12:12.855
Anke: Yeah.

00:12:13.485 --> 00:12:16.915
So if somebody goes,
well, that makes sense.

00:12:18.065 --> 00:12:24.600
I'd be interested in You know, starting to
adopt a more healthier, like a healthier

00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:26.490
diet for my dog, maybe for myself.

00:12:27.090 --> 00:12:29.160
Like, but okay, let's keep,
let's stay with the dogs.

00:12:29.550 --> 00:12:34.260
So where, where would you, how would
you recommend somebody get started?

00:12:34.260 --> 00:12:38.070
So what's the first place to, what's
the first direction to look into?

00:12:39.810 --> 00:12:43.770
Charlie: Yeah, I would always recommend
either, you know, asking someone

00:12:43.770 --> 00:12:47.740
who, you know, is actively talking
about it and you know feeds this way.

00:12:48.070 --> 00:12:50.740
Um, and then also there
are some great books.

00:12:50.740 --> 00:12:52.800
I know you mentioned one on my podcast.

00:12:52.800 --> 00:12:57.630
And then also, um, another great one
is, um, Give Your Dog the Bone by Dr.

00:12:57.670 --> 00:12:58.840
Ian Billinghurst.

00:12:58.890 --> 00:13:03.650
Uh, he is an Australian veterinarian
and he kind of, Spearheaded this, you

00:13:03.650 --> 00:13:08.390
know, raw slash real food movement,
um, within the last couple decades.

00:13:08.660 --> 00:13:10.190
So I would definitely check that one out.

00:13:10.190 --> 00:13:11.210
It's on Amazon.

00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:17.050
Um, and then, you know, talk to, uh, a
pet nutritionist, a dog nutritionist,

00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:19.720
um, you know, and, and you can find them.

00:13:19.750 --> 00:13:22.540
You can also go to, um, there's a website.

00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.890
I'll have to get the exact link, but
it's for a list of holistic vets.

00:13:26.895 --> 00:13:31.655
that are in your area, um, because
they are usually more open to

00:13:31.675 --> 00:13:35.715
at least even discussing, if
not feeding, this type of way.

00:13:35.715 --> 00:13:40.115
So, you know, between the literature and,
uh, you know, going to talk to a holistic

00:13:40.115 --> 00:13:45.425
vet or a dog nutritionist, um, those would
be my recommendations on where to start.

00:13:47.065 --> 00:13:51.655
Anke: And I mean, and the thing is,
you'll know quickly, like you were saying,

00:13:51.655 --> 00:13:55.885
like in your case, it took like 24 hours
to see a massive difference, you know?

00:13:56.055 --> 00:14:00.115
Well, it was when I first started with
Leo, I've made a massive difference too.

00:14:00.525 --> 00:14:03.655
And I mean, it's, it's interesting because
when you think about like, I'm, I'm just

00:14:03.765 --> 00:14:08.535
like looking, comparing to, um, a friend
of mine who, you know, feeds kibble,

00:14:08.785 --> 00:14:13.135
we've talked about it, you know, she's not
going there, but it's interesting because

00:14:13.135 --> 00:14:16.415
like all her dogs kind of put on weight.

00:14:17.520 --> 00:14:17.930
Charlie: You know,

00:14:18.640 --> 00:14:21.140
Anke: and mine are just
like, you know, effortlessly.

00:14:21.170 --> 00:14:23.980
So there's no, you know, when
they eat and they eat well, but

00:14:24.010 --> 00:14:25.760
they don't get fat basically.

00:14:26.070 --> 00:14:30.130
And I think even that alone is already
like a big step, you know, that,

00:14:30.170 --> 00:14:31.780
that, that keeps them healthier.

00:14:32.790 --> 00:14:34.250
I think it's much easier.

00:14:35.325 --> 00:14:38.905
Charlie: Yeah, it's much easier to
regulate their weight, you know, skin and

00:14:38.905 --> 00:14:44.185
coat conditions usually improve, digestion
improves, like, I mean, there are certain

00:14:44.205 --> 00:14:49.515
instances, um, you know, if your dog
already has cancer or is being treated for

00:14:49.515 --> 00:14:52.635
some sort of immune um, response disease.

00:14:52.635 --> 00:14:57.195
Like, you should definitely, you know,
talk to your vet first and, and see

00:14:57.195 --> 00:14:59.605
if the adding this in is a good idea.

00:14:59.945 --> 00:15:04.845
Um, but in most cases for most
dogs, it's going to, you're going

00:15:04.845 --> 00:15:06.265
to see some sort of benefit.

00:15:06.935 --> 00:15:07.355
Anke: Hmm.

00:15:07.355 --> 00:15:08.645
I love that.

00:15:08.645 --> 00:15:12.085
Let's, let's just quickly
like switch, switch topics.

00:15:12.345 --> 00:15:14.895
Let's, I'm just curious about
the writing bit as well.

00:15:14.895 --> 00:15:18.815
So, you know, what do people come, what
do you, what do people come to you for?

00:15:19.075 --> 00:15:21.325
Like you said, you know, right?

00:15:21.325 --> 00:15:23.375
Ghostwriter in the canine space.

00:15:23.415 --> 00:15:25.695
So what would somebody come
to you for to get them?

00:15:27.015 --> 00:15:27.975
Charlie: Yeah, absolutely.

00:15:27.975 --> 00:15:32.635
So I, my specialty is, um, creating
and launching educated, what are called

00:15:32.635 --> 00:15:35.145
educational email courses or EECs.

00:15:35.145 --> 00:15:39.695
And they're essentially, um, Just a
different type of lead magnet, um, that

00:15:39.715 --> 00:15:44.705
is kind of a drip sequence where what
our goal is, is to really educate, um,

00:15:44.705 --> 00:15:49.875
and engage a potential customer to get
into your business's ecosystem through

00:15:49.905 --> 00:15:55.045
offering them this valuable, um, you
know, five day mini course, essentially,

00:15:55.045 --> 00:15:56.975
on whatever topic, uh, that you want.

00:15:57.385 --> 00:16:03.545
Um, so that's, that's kind of what I, why
I specialize in, but social media content,

00:16:03.595 --> 00:16:06.225
um, you know, newsletters, blog posts.

00:16:06.970 --> 00:16:11.340
Thought leadership articles, you know,
any of that is able to be, you know,

00:16:11.340 --> 00:16:15.970
created and written by a ghostwriter,
especially for You know, businesses

00:16:15.970 --> 00:16:20.550
that, um, just don't have time or
don't have the, the resources, don't

00:16:20.550 --> 00:16:24.750
like to write, uh, maybe aren't good
at it, you know, that sort of thing.

00:16:24.750 --> 00:16:30.170
So I, and again, I, I gear it towards,
you know, the pet and equine industry,

00:16:30.510 --> 00:16:34.270
um, because that's where, you know,
my niche is, that's where I have

00:16:34.270 --> 00:16:36.370
the most, um, that I can offer.

00:16:36.370 --> 00:16:40.570
And so, yeah, I mean, I can't
talk about any clients or anything

00:16:40.570 --> 00:16:44.140
because it is ghostwriting and it's
It's, you know, your name is on it.

00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:47.080
Um, I'm just the person behind the desk.

00:16:47.280 --> 00:16:51.990
But I really, really enjoy it and I
love, um, you know, seeing the kind of

00:16:52.020 --> 00:16:56.960
increase in engagement and return on
investment that the people get from it.

00:16:56.980 --> 00:16:57.410
So

00:16:57.410 --> 00:17:00.244
Anke: Because I mean, writing is
a good one like that because you

00:17:00.244 --> 00:17:04.380
can usually Like, it's easier to
trace back, it's easier to quantify

00:17:04.380 --> 00:17:05.960
quite often, you know, as well.

00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.920
You can tell how many people took
the email calls and you can tell

00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.300
how many people signed up for
something else afterwards, right?

00:17:11.770 --> 00:17:15.330
And I love how, you know, it's
sort of narrowed into that.

00:17:15.350 --> 00:17:19.675
And I think, well, in my experience,
You know, dog people are in the business

00:17:19.845 --> 00:17:23.705
because they love dogs, usually not
because they love marketing or writing

00:17:23.705 --> 00:17:25.495
or, you know, hustling on social media.

00:17:25.535 --> 00:17:28.675
So I can totally see the
value, the value of that.

00:17:29.065 --> 00:17:33.405
So if somebody wants to get in touch,
like either for the writing or for

00:17:33.405 --> 00:17:41.105
the food, like you covered like the
two most important areas of life.

00:17:41.105 --> 00:17:42.975
What else do you

00:17:42.975 --> 00:17:43.405
Charlie: need?

00:17:45.085 --> 00:17:48.995
Anke: So where can people go and, um,
Find out more about you, get in touch,

00:17:49.135 --> 00:17:50.855
get your lead magnet, for example.

00:17:51.885 --> 00:17:52.945
Charlie: Yeah, absolutely.

00:17:52.945 --> 00:17:59.015
Um, probably my most, uh, I guess, uh,
active social media platform is LinkedIn.

00:17:59.065 --> 00:18:02.105
Um, and I know, I think the
links will be in the show notes.

00:18:02.105 --> 00:18:04.125
So you can find me
there, um, Charlie Dice.

00:18:04.690 --> 00:18:09.370
And then I also, um, have a
website, beautyandtheburners.

00:18:09.370 --> 00:18:09.890
com.

00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:14.610
And then my email is, um,
beautyandtheburnersatgmail.

00:18:14.650 --> 00:18:14.970
com.

00:18:14.970 --> 00:18:19.820
You can just send me an email and I'm
also on X and, you know, Instagram,

00:18:19.830 --> 00:18:23.640
but really LinkedIn is, um, where I
do most of the professional stuff.

00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:24.130
So

00:18:25.070 --> 00:18:25.370
Anke: awesome.

00:18:25.650 --> 00:18:29.620
Well, go in, go in to connect and
I'll obviously pop all the links.

00:18:32.185 --> 00:18:33.605
So yeah, thank you so much.

00:18:33.605 --> 00:18:38.245
This was delightful as
always, and yeah, let's

00:18:38.335 --> 00:18:38.765
Charlie: feed

00:18:39.325 --> 00:18:40.325
Anke: dogs some better stuff.

00:18:41.535 --> 00:18:41.915
Charlie: Yeah.

00:18:41.915 --> 00:18:43.075
Thank you so much for having me.

00:18:43.075 --> 00:18:43.795
This was fun.

00:18:44.595 --> 00:18:45.825
Thanks so much for listening.

00:18:46.345 --> 00:18:50.645
If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget
to subscribe, and leave a review so

00:18:50.745 --> 00:18:52.525
other dog lovers can find the show.

00:18:53.315 --> 00:18:56.805
If you haven't already, head
over to soul touched by dogs.

00:18:57.235 --> 00:19:02.805
com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness
tips, recommendations, and personal

00:19:02.905 --> 00:19:05.275
stories to warm your dog loving heart.

00:19:05.275 --> 00:19:09.005
And if you know a pawsome human
you think I should interview,

00:19:09.425 --> 00:19:10.565
I'd love an introduction.

00:19:11.045 --> 00:19:12.875
Email me at Anke.

00:19:13.145 --> 00:19:17.380
That's A N k E at Soul
touched by dogs.com.