1 00:00:05,685 --> 00:00:08,355 - This is Lab Medicine Rounds, a curated podcast 2 00:00:08,355 --> 00:00:11,385 for physicians, laboratory professionals, and students. 3 00:00:11,385 --> 00:00:13,955 Today we're recording a very special episode 4 00:00:13,955 --> 00:00:18,305 to celebrate our 100th episode here at Lab Medicine Rounds. 5 00:00:18,305 --> 00:00:21,705 We're rounding with the full podcast production team, 6 00:00:21,705 --> 00:00:24,415 which includes myself as your host, Justin Kreuter, 7 00:00:24,415 --> 00:00:25,495 the Bow Tie Bandit 8 00:00:25,495 --> 00:00:28,235 of Blood, Transfusion Medicine pathologist 9 00:00:28,235 --> 00:00:31,285 and Assistant Professor of Laboratory Medicine and Pathology, 10 00:00:31,285 --> 00:00:33,315 Rick Andresen, producer 11 00:00:33,315 --> 00:00:35,775 and director, Melissa Peterson, 12 00:00:35,775 --> 00:00:40,715 MBA, Senior education specialist, and Heidi Zunker, MS, 13 00:00:40,715 --> 00:00:43,355 And education program manager 14 00:00:43,355 --> 00:00:46,075 all here at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, 15 00:00:46,075 --> 00:00:47,585 to share their experience, 16 00:00:47,585 --> 00:00:51,535 these behind the scenes stories on starting this educational 17 00:00:51,535 --> 00:00:54,375 podcast and reflecting on past episodes. 18 00:00:55,365 --> 00:00:57,615 It's exciting that it's our hundredth episode. 19 00:00:58,495 --> 00:01:01,275 I think we should start it off by finding out 20 00:01:01,275 --> 00:01:02,915 how did the podcast start out? 21 00:01:02,915 --> 00:01:05,375 So why don't you guys tell us what was the kind 22 00:01:05,375 --> 00:01:07,375 of genesis, how did this all start? 23 00:01:08,515 --> 00:01:12,055 - So it really birthed from a needs assessment 24 00:01:12,055 --> 00:01:15,595 that we sent out to clients of Mayo Clinical Laboratories. 25 00:01:15,595 --> 00:01:19,155 And we found out that people wanted on-demand content, 26 00:01:19,155 --> 00:01:21,115 but, like shorter amounts of it. 27 00:01:21,115 --> 00:01:23,755 And we had never done a podcast before. 28 00:01:23,755 --> 00:01:26,215 So we thought, you know, this might be a great medium for us 29 00:01:26,215 --> 00:01:29,675 to try in terms of providing education to our clients. 30 00:01:29,675 --> 00:01:34,275 And we were told that in order to make a podcast happen, 31 00:01:34,275 --> 00:01:35,995 you need a good host. 32 00:01:35,995 --> 00:01:38,475 And so right away, Melissa and I were talking, 33 00:01:38,475 --> 00:01:40,355 and this is back when we were still in the office 34 00:01:40,355 --> 00:01:41,765 and we're just like, Dr. 35 00:01:41,765 --> 00:01:43,275 Kreuter, like it has to be. 36 00:01:43,275 --> 00:01:46,915 So we reached out to him and thankfully he agreed, 37 00:01:46,915 --> 00:01:48,815 and the rest is history. So yeah, 38 00:01:48,815 --> 00:01:51,675 - We're very grateful that you jumped on board so quickly 39 00:01:51,675 --> 00:01:55,415 too, by the way, because when we were kind 40 00:01:55,415 --> 00:01:56,675 of doing our research 41 00:01:56,675 --> 00:01:58,775 and meeting with other departments 42 00:01:58,775 --> 00:02:03,155 of education throughout Mayo who have done some podcasting, 43 00:02:03,155 --> 00:02:05,195 we were trying to get benchmarks 44 00:02:05,195 --> 00:02:06,955 and, you know, see what we needed to do. 45 00:02:06,955 --> 00:02:10,175 So hosting from, I think we even met with Rick a couple 46 00:02:10,175 --> 00:02:12,095 of times ahead of time being like, you know, 47 00:02:12,095 --> 00:02:13,055 you've recorded some of these, 48 00:02:13,055 --> 00:02:14,055 like, what do we need to know? 49 00:02:14,955 --> 00:02:17,945 And from there we were able to just kind of 50 00:02:17,945 --> 00:02:19,175 piece it together. 51 00:02:20,355 --> 00:02:23,735 - Wow. I'm super glad that you guys had that kind 52 00:02:23,735 --> 00:02:25,335 of needs assessment came out that way. 53 00:02:25,335 --> 00:02:28,615 I think, I'm trying to think back about what year that was 54 00:02:29,725 --> 00:02:32,735 because you know, I think, you know, we kind of knew 55 00:02:32,735 --> 00:02:33,845 what podcasting was. 56 00:02:33,845 --> 00:02:37,255 Rick, you were recording some, I was certainly listening 57 00:02:37,255 --> 00:02:38,655 to some podcasts at the time. 58 00:02:39,795 --> 00:02:42,675 And yeah, when the ask came together, then the opportunity 59 00:02:42,675 --> 00:02:44,855 to hang out with you two was super cool. 60 00:02:44,855 --> 00:02:47,615 'cause maybe what our audience doesn't understand is 61 00:02:47,615 --> 00:02:51,155 that I've, I've been have the privilege of hanging out and, 62 00:02:51,155 --> 00:02:52,555 and working with Melissa 63 00:02:52,555 --> 00:02:56,055 and Heidi for several years about education projects. 64 00:02:56,055 --> 00:02:59,645 Their, their, their hearts also beat for medical education. 65 00:03:00,665 --> 00:03:03,805 So I was, I was super thrilled how this kind 66 00:03:03,805 --> 00:03:08,045 of came together, which then kind of makes us kind 67 00:03:08,045 --> 00:03:10,125 of talk about like, how does this work 68 00:03:10,125 --> 00:03:13,185 around the podcast all, all come together and, 69 00:03:13,185 --> 00:03:15,205 and kind of what's most surprising about it. 70 00:03:15,205 --> 00:03:18,605 Maybe we can kinda tell that story for our audience, kind 71 00:03:18,605 --> 00:03:20,445 of put things front and center. 72 00:03:20,445 --> 00:03:22,235 Heidi, you wanna start us off? 73 00:03:22,235 --> 00:03:26,265 - Sure. Typically the process for us is kind of, 74 00:03:26,265 --> 00:03:28,355 we meet once a month with Dr. 75 00:03:28,355 --> 00:03:30,455 Kreuter and brainstorm different topics. 76 00:03:30,455 --> 00:03:33,505 Maybe there's trending things happening at Mayo Clinic 77 00:03:33,505 --> 00:03:37,785 or in the world, and we really wanna cover those topics. 78 00:03:37,785 --> 00:03:39,835 So then from there, Dr. 79 00:03:39,835 --> 00:03:43,505 Kreuter takes it and invites the consultants 80 00:03:43,505 --> 00:03:45,985 or the guests to the podcast. 81 00:03:45,985 --> 00:03:48,945 And I think the most surprising thing for me is 82 00:03:48,945 --> 00:03:51,865 how much time it does take from start to finish 83 00:03:51,865 --> 00:03:54,395 to complete the whole process. So 84 00:03:54,395 --> 00:03:58,925 - Yeah, I would say regarding the scheduling, it was, 85 00:03:58,925 --> 00:04:01,445 I mean, I've scheduled things on consultant's, calendars 86 00:04:01,445 --> 00:04:04,285 and stuff before, but man, some 87 00:04:04,285 --> 00:04:06,305 of your guys' calendars are insane. 88 00:04:06,305 --> 00:04:09,005 So it, it's really difficult to try to find a time 89 00:04:09,005 --> 00:04:11,605 that works for you, for the guest, that Rick is available 90 00:04:12,545 --> 00:04:14,265 to do the recording 91 00:04:14,265 --> 00:04:16,585 so he can get the editing and things done. 92 00:04:16,585 --> 00:04:18,105 So I mean, I think that 93 00:04:18,105 --> 00:04:21,185 for me has been really like eye-opening 94 00:04:21,185 --> 00:04:25,645 and just having, you know, our questions for the speakers 95 00:04:25,645 --> 00:04:27,445 and the guest speakers laid out, kind 96 00:04:27,445 --> 00:04:29,185 of giving everybody a chance to him 97 00:04:29,185 --> 00:04:32,105 and haw over it ahead of time, which is really nice. 98 00:04:32,105 --> 00:04:34,145 But then sometimes I think people are just 99 00:04:34,145 --> 00:04:37,425 so off the cuff sometimes it, it just comes out 100 00:04:37,425 --> 00:04:39,705 so conversational and so fluid 101 00:04:39,705 --> 00:04:42,045 and I'm like, this was amazing. 102 00:04:42,045 --> 00:04:43,045 I couldn't do that. 103 00:04:44,225 --> 00:04:47,425 - And my, my job actually doesn't start until the recording. 104 00:04:47,425 --> 00:04:50,605 So, and then after, so basically once the recording is done, 105 00:04:50,605 --> 00:04:53,265 I take it and then I take it back in, 106 00:04:53,265 --> 00:04:56,105 in the professional terms, I clean it up 107 00:04:56,105 --> 00:04:58,925 and basically all that really involves is taking out ums 108 00:04:58,925 --> 00:05:00,185 and ahs and pauses. 109 00:05:00,185 --> 00:05:03,085 And sometimes our guests will misspeak 110 00:05:03,085 --> 00:05:05,485 or the.y'll start a sentence and change in the middle of it. 111 00:05:05,485 --> 00:05:07,285 So I'll, I'll clean it all up. 112 00:05:07,285 --> 00:05:11,405 I add music, I add our mid-roll, and then I send it back. 113 00:05:11,405 --> 00:05:14,705 Usually that takes anywhere between a week or so. 114 00:05:14,705 --> 00:05:16,465 And then I'll send it back to Heidi and Melissa 115 00:05:16,465 --> 00:05:17,585 and then they can review it 116 00:05:17,585 --> 00:05:19,285 and then it's up to them to post it. 117 00:05:21,035 --> 00:05:23,825 - Yeah. So from there we take those files 118 00:05:23,825 --> 00:05:27,385 and we get closed captioning for YouTube. 119 00:05:27,385 --> 00:05:29,885 We post them both to transistor and YouTube 120 00:05:31,305 --> 00:05:33,975 and make sure everything's published on Mayo Clinic 121 00:05:33,975 --> 00:05:35,425 Lab's website as well. 122 00:05:35,425 --> 00:05:36,785 So, 123 00:05:36,785 --> 00:05:37,785 - And the social media. 124 00:05:38,785 --> 00:05:40,305 - Yes. Yep. 125 00:05:40,305 --> 00:05:41,965 We do create little promo ads so 126 00:05:41,965 --> 00:05:44,045 that we can promote the podcast on social media. 127 00:05:45,025 --> 00:05:47,475 And Dr. Kreuter has a great Twitter 128 00:05:47,475 --> 00:05:49,145 following, as you all know. 129 00:05:49,145 --> 00:05:50,515 So 130 00:05:50,515 --> 00:05:52,805 - It's been kind of cool to see how that's been growing. 131 00:05:52,805 --> 00:05:53,885 Right. In the sense 132 00:05:53,885 --> 00:05:57,765 that this podcast originally truly was a podcast. 133 00:05:57,765 --> 00:05:59,755 Actually nobody saw us. Yeah. 134 00:05:59,755 --> 00:06:02,125 What the audience doesn't know is this is actually our first 135 00:06:02,125 --> 00:06:04,255 time being here in the studio 136 00:06:04,255 --> 00:06:06,575 where this was actually birthed. 137 00:06:06,575 --> 00:06:08,365 Right. And, 138 00:06:09,305 --> 00:06:13,105 and we were always just recording audio only I was, 139 00:06:13,105 --> 00:06:17,065 you know, very much looking at notes and, 140 00:06:17,065 --> 00:06:19,705 and looking at the people we're interviewing. 141 00:06:19,705 --> 00:06:23,345 But then, then with Covid we really kind of transitioned to, 142 00:06:23,345 --> 00:06:25,605 to virtual, which then kind 143 00:06:25,605 --> 00:06:27,865 of opened up the opportunity since we had video 144 00:06:27,865 --> 00:06:29,695 to get on YouTube. 145 00:06:29,695 --> 00:06:31,965 Right. Which kind of, you know, I guess, did 146 00:06:31,965 --> 00:06:34,545 that change anybody's work process? 147 00:06:34,545 --> 00:06:36,605 No. Whenever we do a recording, 148 00:06:36,605 --> 00:06:38,525 I record the audio and video together 149 00:06:39,385 --> 00:06:41,275 and then basically I'll make two files. 150 00:06:41,275 --> 00:06:42,865 I'll make an audio file only, 151 00:06:42,865 --> 00:06:45,625 and then I'll make a video file as well for Heidi 152 00:06:45,625 --> 00:06:47,165 and Melissa to post on online. So 153 00:06:47,165 --> 00:06:48,165 - You always did that? 154 00:06:48,165 --> 00:06:49,725 Always. 155 00:06:49,725 --> 00:06:51,645 - I Didn't realize that I always did that. 156 00:06:51,645 --> 00:06:55,005 Only because some of my other customers here at Mayo 157 00:06:55,005 --> 00:06:57,905 who do podcasts take the video part of it 158 00:06:57,905 --> 00:06:59,265 to use for promotion. 159 00:06:59,265 --> 00:07:01,505 So they'll take a clip of the video 160 00:07:01,505 --> 00:07:02,725 and they'll have a little clip 161 00:07:02,725 --> 00:07:04,665 of an expert talking about something 162 00:07:04,665 --> 00:07:06,045 and they'll use that to promote it. 163 00:07:06,045 --> 00:07:07,165 And they'll put that on Instagram 164 00:07:07,165 --> 00:07:08,585 or they'll put that on LinkedIn 165 00:07:08,585 --> 00:07:09,645 or they'll put it somewhere 166 00:07:09,645 --> 00:07:11,955 so they can get more eyeballs on it. 167 00:07:11,955 --> 00:07:15,885 Sure. Yeah. So now from your standpoint, what do you have 168 00:07:15,885 --> 00:07:18,275 to do to prepare for one of their podcasts? 169 00:07:18,275 --> 00:07:19,905 Yeah, it is a great question. 170 00:07:19,905 --> 00:07:22,805 One that's changed in the very beginning. 171 00:07:22,805 --> 00:07:24,665 I remember we'd invite experts 172 00:07:24,665 --> 00:07:27,965 and so since we were inviting an expert in a lot 173 00:07:27,965 --> 00:07:30,285 of times was, you know, kind of, we'd love 174 00:07:30,285 --> 00:07:32,155 to have you on your podcast. 175 00:07:32,155 --> 00:07:35,955 Like what are some, some, you know, questions 176 00:07:35,955 --> 00:07:39,635 that I could ask you, you know, kind of deferring to their 177 00:07:39,635 --> 00:07:41,545 expertise of course. 178 00:07:41,545 --> 00:07:43,325 And I think those first couple asks, 179 00:07:43,325 --> 00:07:44,745 of course we had people accept, 180 00:07:44,745 --> 00:07:48,685 but there was a lot more work it seemed like, 181 00:07:48,685 --> 00:07:51,825 because, you know, number one, you're asking them 182 00:07:51,825 --> 00:07:55,045 to do some work to put together the questions. 183 00:07:56,185 --> 00:07:59,835 And then, you know, sometimes people don't actually 184 00:07:59,835 --> 00:08:01,545 post maybe the best questions 185 00:08:01,545 --> 00:08:03,405 or ones that kind of lead to a story. 186 00:08:05,505 --> 00:08:07,765 Or even just thinking about our audience 187 00:08:07,765 --> 00:08:09,705 particularly, right? 188 00:08:09,705 --> 00:08:12,715 So physicians, laboratory professionals and students. 189 00:08:12,715 --> 00:08:15,085 Sometimes we would have to kind of tweak those questions 190 00:08:15,085 --> 00:08:17,025 so there'd be back and forth. 191 00:08:17,025 --> 00:08:20,645 And after doing that, in the beginning, I sort of came 192 00:08:20,645 --> 00:08:23,905 to appreciate, let me just try and, 193 00:08:23,905 --> 00:08:27,625 and then I started where I would actually invite somebody 194 00:08:27,625 --> 00:08:31,785 to the podcast and I would just propose four questions. 195 00:08:31,785 --> 00:08:36,305 And I would say, Hey, here's a draft, feel free to edit. 196 00:08:36,305 --> 00:08:41,305 And I have to say that probably 99% of people 197 00:08:41,525 --> 00:08:43,375 just say, those are great, right? 198 00:08:43,375 --> 00:08:45,605 Let's, let's go. And, and every now 199 00:08:45,605 --> 00:08:47,445 and then you get people that actually do wanna tweak 200 00:08:47,445 --> 00:08:48,705 and something that works great. 201 00:08:48,705 --> 00:08:52,885 But that seriously, I think has cut down on, I think, 202 00:08:52,885 --> 00:08:54,045 at least for me, the amount 203 00:08:54,045 --> 00:08:56,745 of work I do going into it in the beginning. 204 00:08:56,745 --> 00:09:00,925 And then also I think from the getting somebody to commit 205 00:09:00,925 --> 00:09:04,205 and accept the invitation, I feel like we get a little bit 206 00:09:04,205 --> 00:09:05,685 of a higher success rate. 207 00:09:06,825 --> 00:09:09,345 And so with all these kinds of, the learning process 208 00:09:09,345 --> 00:09:11,005 of us kind of starting from scratch, 209 00:09:11,005 --> 00:09:13,885 really not knowing much about podcasts than that, kind of, 210 00:09:13,885 --> 00:09:14,885 let's take a step back 211 00:09:14,885 --> 00:09:16,955 and think about what was the overall goal? 212 00:09:16,955 --> 00:09:19,245 What was kind of the, the mission statement 213 00:09:19,245 --> 00:09:21,165 of the podcast when we, when we started? 214 00:09:22,235 --> 00:09:24,305 - Yeah. So I remember brainstorming this. 215 00:09:24,305 --> 00:09:27,525 Do you remember that meeting Dr. Kreuter? We sat in a room. 216 00:09:27,525 --> 00:09:29,485 - I remember the room. I remember the table. 217 00:09:29,485 --> 00:09:31,705 Yeah, I think we had a whiteboard. 218 00:09:31,705 --> 00:09:34,745 - Yes. And we were just like throwing ideas out there. 219 00:09:34,745 --> 00:09:38,235 And we landed on connecting lab medicine 220 00:09:38,235 --> 00:09:41,545 with the clinical practice through insightful conversations 221 00:09:41,545 --> 00:09:44,105 or educational conversations. 222 00:09:44,105 --> 00:09:46,245 So, and really I would say 223 00:09:47,675 --> 00:09:50,325 another huge goal is every episode Dr. 224 00:09:50,325 --> 00:09:54,525 Kreuter does such an awesome job of, of reaching each one 225 00:09:54,525 --> 00:09:55,665 of those target audiences. 226 00:09:55,665 --> 00:09:59,225 So laboratory professionals, physicians and students. 227 00:09:59,225 --> 00:10:02,185 And he always has like great takeaways. 228 00:10:02,185 --> 00:10:04,405 And so it's, yeah, that's kind of, 229 00:10:04,405 --> 00:10:05,565 yeah, the goal. And I will 230 00:10:05,565 --> 00:10:08,105 - Say, I mean, coming from like Heidi 231 00:10:08,105 --> 00:10:11,785 and my perspective, we don't have the laboratory background. 232 00:10:11,785 --> 00:10:12,885 You know, we have more 233 00:10:12,885 --> 00:10:15,785 of like the business professional side of things. 234 00:10:15,785 --> 00:10:18,385 So being in those meetings with you 235 00:10:18,385 --> 00:10:20,225 and just the way you draft those questions 236 00:10:20,225 --> 00:10:23,485 and the way you ask people things, 237 00:10:23,485 --> 00:10:25,385 I think it's really easy to follow 238 00:10:25,385 --> 00:10:27,525 and understand even for someone like me 239 00:10:27,525 --> 00:10:30,265 who doesn't have the background, the medical background. 240 00:10:30,265 --> 00:10:33,665 So, I mean, a lot of times the information is over my head, 241 00:10:33,665 --> 00:10:36,485 but a lot of times I actually, I'm like, oh, okay, 242 00:10:36,485 --> 00:10:38,565 I understand this better now than what I did before. 243 00:10:39,405 --> 00:10:41,525 - I have to say actually for all three of you, I think 244 00:10:41,525 --> 00:10:43,405 that it's the ultimate compliment. 245 00:10:43,405 --> 00:10:45,505 Like when we finished doing a recording 246 00:10:45,505 --> 00:10:48,045 and you guys are like, wow, that was really great. 247 00:10:48,045 --> 00:10:50,895 Right? Because then I, I know that, right? 248 00:10:50,895 --> 00:10:53,925 We've, you know, with your experience Rick, in, in listening 249 00:10:53,925 --> 00:10:56,665 to so many podcasts and you know, Melissa 250 00:10:56,665 --> 00:11:00,315 and Heidi, from your experience in understanding 251 00:11:00,315 --> 00:11:03,675 medical education, what seems to resonate with people, 252 00:11:03,675 --> 00:11:06,855 it's kind of like the ultimate compliment of okay, 253 00:11:06,855 --> 00:11:09,685 we've told a good story and and packaged it up well. 254 00:11:09,685 --> 00:11:12,245 Right, right. And for me it's always, at least the ones 255 00:11:12,245 --> 00:11:14,435 that have the greatest impact are the ones for students. 256 00:11:14,435 --> 00:11:16,005 Because you could tell they're at the beginning 257 00:11:16,005 --> 00:11:17,965 of their career and you're giving them advice 258 00:11:17,965 --> 00:11:19,405 or telling them, here's things 259 00:11:19,405 --> 00:11:21,825 that these other people have done in their careers. 260 00:11:21,825 --> 00:11:24,125 And I always feel like that those mean the most 261 00:11:24,125 --> 00:11:27,185 because you're basically helping the future generation 262 00:11:27,185 --> 00:11:28,285 of physicians. 263 00:11:29,185 --> 00:11:32,545 So we've done a hundred episodes, that's a lot 264 00:11:32,545 --> 00:11:34,685 to be together for four years or 265 00:11:34,685 --> 00:11:36,545 however many years we've been together. 266 00:11:36,545 --> 00:11:41,545 So what are your guys like, takeaways, funny things, 267 00:11:41,585 --> 00:11:42,745 things that Dr. 268 00:11:42,745 --> 00:11:44,265 Kreuter does that annoys you 269 00:11:44,265 --> 00:11:46,515 or that we always look forward to? 270 00:11:46,515 --> 00:11:48,545 - Well, I know, 'cause we've talked about this before. 271 00:11:48,545 --> 00:11:50,785 So Rick, why don't you start with yours? 272 00:11:50,785 --> 00:11:52,505 - So, because I have to edit these 273 00:11:52,505 --> 00:11:54,245 and I basically sit 274 00:11:54,245 --> 00:11:56,385 through the whole recording the first time, 275 00:11:56,385 --> 00:11:58,145 and then I sit through it again 276 00:11:58,145 --> 00:12:00,015 as I go in and re-edit everything. 277 00:12:00,015 --> 00:12:02,075 There are certain phrases that Dr. 278 00:12:02,075 --> 00:12:04,785 Kreuter likes to use that keep coming up, 279 00:12:04,785 --> 00:12:06,565 and I always get a little chuckle with them. 280 00:12:07,465 --> 00:12:08,865 The the one that always says is, 281 00:12:08,865 --> 00:12:11,025 is it makes my heart go pitter patter. 282 00:12:11,025 --> 00:12:12,345 He always says that one. 283 00:12:12,345 --> 00:12:14,795 The other ones I like is, I'm kind of curious that, 284 00:12:14,795 --> 00:12:18,025 that one you say a lot when you're interviewing 285 00:12:18,025 --> 00:12:21,615 and then let's unpack that or, or let's dive into that. 286 00:12:21,615 --> 00:12:23,725 Those are a couple other things that I, 287 00:12:23,725 --> 00:12:25,485 I hear frequently when I'm doing the 288 00:12:25,485 --> 00:12:26,995 record, when I'm doing the editing. 289 00:12:26,995 --> 00:12:28,485 Well, you didn't miss a beat there. 290 00:12:30,275 --> 00:12:31,805 - He's been thinking about it for a while. 291 00:12:31,805 --> 00:12:33,845 Yeah, well, a hundred episodes, that's a lot. 292 00:12:35,155 --> 00:12:36,705 Well, sorry Heidi, 293 00:12:36,705 --> 00:12:39,125 but I mean, to that point we've kind 294 00:12:39,125 --> 00:12:41,825 of had chuckles at your expense from it and, 295 00:12:41,825 --> 00:12:44,085 but we've included you so you're in on it too. 296 00:12:44,965 --> 00:12:47,165 But I think some of the other stuff was just sometimes 297 00:12:47,165 --> 00:12:48,785 someone would give a really great answer 298 00:12:48,785 --> 00:12:50,555 and something that you hadn't thought of 299 00:12:50,555 --> 00:12:53,905 that they were gonna respond with and you go genius. 300 00:12:53,905 --> 00:12:56,505 Or like, you have some of these like phrases 301 00:12:56,505 --> 00:12:58,125 and we kind of made it into a game. 302 00:12:58,125 --> 00:13:00,285 We're like, oh, tally won for Genius. Yep. 303 00:13:01,495 --> 00:13:04,465 We'll be behind the scenes chatting each other on teams 304 00:13:04,465 --> 00:13:07,005 and we're just like, oh, there comes heart goes 305 00:13:07,005 --> 00:13:08,285 pitter patter down. 306 00:13:10,405 --> 00:13:12,405 - I have to say, right? Like, that's something that, 307 00:13:12,405 --> 00:13:15,425 like you say, I, you guys have brought me in on that 308 00:13:15,425 --> 00:13:18,385 and that's been one of the cool things 309 00:13:18,385 --> 00:13:20,355 for me as a host, right? 310 00:13:20,355 --> 00:13:22,385 Like, you know, life is busy 311 00:13:22,385 --> 00:13:26,465 and a lot of times I'm coming from various clinical things 312 00:13:26,465 --> 00:13:29,065 and, and I think when we kind of come together 313 00:13:29,065 --> 00:13:31,605 and usually we kind of joke about those things when we're 314 00:13:31,605 --> 00:13:34,885 about to start recording, I think that for me is my kind 315 00:13:34,885 --> 00:13:38,965 of like, you know, taking a beat, center, getting, 316 00:13:38,965 --> 00:13:40,565 getting my game face on. 317 00:13:43,625 --> 00:13:45,965 So to level the playing field now. 318 00:13:47,115 --> 00:13:51,165 - Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. We all know, 319 00:13:52,305 --> 00:13:56,165 - We know Rick gives some great pointers to our presenters. 320 00:13:56,165 --> 00:13:58,665 So that's how we kind of get them settled in. Right. 321 00:13:58,665 --> 00:14:03,185 And so as our audience maybe interested 322 00:14:03,185 --> 00:14:04,745 in podcasting 323 00:14:04,745 --> 00:14:07,815 or just curious of what some of that prep goes, 324 00:14:07,815 --> 00:14:10,705 which I know part of it is probably getting them 325 00:14:10,705 --> 00:14:12,325 to feel comfortable. 326 00:14:12,325 --> 00:14:14,665 I'm kind of curious if you'd share 327 00:14:14,665 --> 00:14:16,365 for our audience how you do that. 328 00:14:16,365 --> 00:14:18,245 Absolutely. So a lot of people, 329 00:14:18,245 --> 00:14:21,965 especially medical professionals sometimes are great in 330 00:14:21,965 --> 00:14:23,745 front of their peers giving presentations, 331 00:14:23,745 --> 00:14:26,165 but the instant you stick a camera in their face 332 00:14:26,165 --> 00:14:28,355 or a microphone, it's, it's unnatural. 333 00:14:28,355 --> 00:14:30,085 It's a little weird. So I always try 334 00:14:30,085 --> 00:14:31,585 to get them to relax a little. 335 00:14:31,585 --> 00:14:34,285 So the first thing I always tell them when we do a mic check 336 00:14:34,285 --> 00:14:36,285 to make sure I'm getting good audio levels is I'll say 337 00:14:36,285 --> 00:14:38,665 something like, tell me what you had for breakfast, 338 00:14:38,665 --> 00:14:42,185 or tell me about your favorite vacation you've taken. 339 00:14:42,185 --> 00:14:44,645 And that gets them talking about something unrelated 340 00:14:44,645 --> 00:14:46,305 to what's about to happen. 341 00:14:46,305 --> 00:14:48,525 And so, and sometimes if I can tell they're 342 00:14:48,525 --> 00:14:49,605 really nervous, I'll add something. 343 00:14:49,605 --> 00:14:52,105 Oh, really? What was skiing like at Vaylor? 344 00:14:52,105 --> 00:14:54,605 You know, something just to get them talking off camera. 345 00:14:55,605 --> 00:14:57,865 I always make sure that their video looks good, 346 00:14:57,865 --> 00:15:00,805 so I make sure that there's nothing behind them 347 00:15:00,805 --> 00:15:03,305 that they wouldn't want people to see. 348 00:15:03,305 --> 00:15:04,925 We have had a few instances 349 00:15:04,925 --> 00:15:07,485 where people had their dirty laundry on their bed 350 00:15:07,485 --> 00:15:09,715 behind them, or they had a bookshelf 351 00:15:09,715 --> 00:15:12,925 with maybe some pictures of them goofing off, you know, 352 00:15:12,925 --> 00:15:14,585 on vacation or with their kids 353 00:15:14,585 --> 00:15:16,085 or maybe a book title 354 00:15:16,085 --> 00:15:17,585 that they didn't want people to know about. 355 00:15:17,585 --> 00:15:20,365 So I always make sure that they, you know, take a look 356 00:15:20,365 --> 00:15:22,125 around and make sure there's nothing around 357 00:15:22,125 --> 00:15:24,125 that you don't want people to see, 358 00:15:24,125 --> 00:15:27,005 because people will, will look and see what's behind them. 359 00:15:28,025 --> 00:15:30,445 And then after that it's really just, you know, 360 00:15:30,445 --> 00:15:32,745 take a deep breath and, and try to relax 361 00:15:32,745 --> 00:15:34,365 and try to have fun with it. 362 00:15:36,625 --> 00:15:40,725 So I know for me that sparked some fun memories. Yes, 363 00:15:42,155 --> 00:15:43,155 - Sure. 364 00:15:43,155 --> 00:15:43,988 Does 365 00:15:43,988 --> 00:15:46,355 - Do you guys have a favorite memory? 366 00:15:46,355 --> 00:15:49,705 Keep in mind, right audience? This is during Covid times. 367 00:15:49,705 --> 00:15:52,005 As, as you know, we don't have any professors 368 00:15:52,005 --> 00:15:54,845 with their laundry in their offices. But 369 00:15:55,705 --> 00:15:59,725 - Yes, I, okay, do you guys, this is by far one 370 00:15:59,725 --> 00:16:01,885 of my favorites, and if he's listening to this, 371 00:16:01,885 --> 00:16:03,805 he will know it's him, but that is okay 372 00:16:03,805 --> 00:16:04,885 because he's awesome. 373 00:16:06,525 --> 00:16:08,665 I remember when we first transitioned 374 00:16:08,665 --> 00:16:11,725 to recording these at home via Zoom, you know 375 00:16:11,725 --> 00:16:13,985 how you can pick your background in Zoom? 376 00:16:13,985 --> 00:16:15,825 We had one consultant come on, 377 00:16:15,825 --> 00:16:18,905 and he looked like he was driving a spaceship. 378 00:16:18,905 --> 00:16:21,145 And I'm like, oh, okay. 379 00:16:21,145 --> 00:16:24,645 So I kind of recommended you, you know, 380 00:16:24,645 --> 00:16:27,025 you might want to change it to like a Mayo Clinic background 381 00:16:27,025 --> 00:16:29,585 or maybe Mayo Clinic Laboratories. 382 00:16:29,585 --> 00:16:31,425 And he's like, oh, okay. 383 00:16:31,425 --> 00:16:33,225 So he's like, I'll find the right one. 384 00:16:33,225 --> 00:16:34,605 And I remember he scanned through 385 00:16:34,605 --> 00:16:36,145 and he is like, yep, this is the one. 386 00:16:36,145 --> 00:16:38,305 And it was Darth Vader in the background, 387 00:16:38,305 --> 00:16:41,005 and I'm like, oh, nope, nope, he's serious. 388 00:16:41,005 --> 00:16:42,465 This is what we're rolling with. 389 00:16:42,465 --> 00:16:44,325 So I just, oh yeah, it was great. 390 00:16:46,465 --> 00:16:48,875 How about you, Melissa? Oh gosh. 391 00:16:48,875 --> 00:16:50,665 - Well, didn't one of the physicians have 392 00:16:50,665 --> 00:16:52,445 his mic in his hand? Oh 393 00:16:52,445 --> 00:16:53,515 - Yeah. 394 00:16:53,515 --> 00:16:55,475 - That, that is my personal favorite 395 00:16:55,475 --> 00:16:59,045 because I feel like you were saying, well, yeah, one 396 00:16:59,045 --> 00:17:01,605 of the things you say when we're prepping is kind of like, 397 00:17:01,605 --> 00:17:03,955 oh, it's usually like, do you have a headset mic? 398 00:17:03,955 --> 00:17:06,505 Because you know, when you got a headset mic, no matter 399 00:17:06,505 --> 00:17:07,715 how you turn your face, 400 00:17:07,715 --> 00:17:11,145 like the audio level is gonna be the same. 401 00:17:11,145 --> 00:17:14,625 And this particular attending didn't have one of those. 402 00:17:14,625 --> 00:17:17,435 And, and so he said, oh yeah, no problem. 403 00:17:17,435 --> 00:17:20,575 I'll, I'll, you know, hold it right here, you know, 404 00:17:20,575 --> 00:17:23,425 right in the center of my chest and I'll talk. 405 00:17:23,425 --> 00:17:24,785 And so we're like, okay. 406 00:17:24,785 --> 00:17:28,555 And we get in and like, you know, question one, 407 00:17:28,555 --> 00:17:32,025 tell me a story, and all of a sudden the mic is going out 408 00:17:32,025 --> 00:17:34,085 and it's going in and I, you know, you, 409 00:17:34,085 --> 00:17:36,035 you almost like think that this, 410 00:17:36,035 --> 00:17:39,125 this person is like playing the trombone or something. 411 00:17:39,125 --> 00:17:42,805 I, and I just, I think I held it all eggs. 412 00:17:42,805 --> 00:17:44,875 I was just like thinking, oh man, 413 00:17:44,875 --> 00:17:46,805 Rick, Rick's gonna be sitting there. 414 00:17:49,925 --> 00:17:52,665 I had to reverse engineer every time he pulled it away. 415 00:17:52,665 --> 00:17:54,285 I'd have to bring the levels up and when he brought 416 00:17:54,285 --> 00:17:55,325 it back, I'd have to bring him down. 417 00:17:56,675 --> 00:17:58,865 - Well, and I mean, it's a podcast 418 00:17:58,865 --> 00:18:01,905 and you're trying to make it, I mean, it's not live, 419 00:18:01,905 --> 00:18:04,285 but you're trying to make it flow and things do happen. 420 00:18:05,125 --> 00:18:06,885 I mean, there was what, one episode two where one 421 00:18:06,885 --> 00:18:09,065 of the consultants had a headset 422 00:18:09,065 --> 00:18:13,345 and every time he would start talking about the podcast 423 00:18:13,345 --> 00:18:15,065 and like try to answer one of your questions, 424 00:18:15,065 --> 00:18:16,905 his mic would cut out completely 425 00:18:16,905 --> 00:18:18,235 and it would just go silent. 426 00:18:18,235 --> 00:18:21,375 Yeah. And so then we'd finally like, like, okay, stop, stop. 427 00:18:21,375 --> 00:18:23,305 We're not, we're not hearing you. Right. 428 00:18:23,305 --> 00:18:24,785 And then all of a sudden it would start working 429 00:18:24,785 --> 00:18:26,005 and he is like, you can't hear me. 430 00:18:26,005 --> 00:18:28,725 I'm like, well now we can. But then he'd start talking about 431 00:18:28,725 --> 00:18:30,085 the podcast and giving his 432 00:18:30,085 --> 00:18:31,325 responses and it would cut out again. 433 00:18:33,035 --> 00:18:37,265 - Yeah. So all of those are great stories 434 00:18:37,265 --> 00:18:39,305 and yeah, always fun to have. 435 00:18:39,305 --> 00:18:42,555 So let's talk about, now we've done a hundred of these. 436 00:18:42,555 --> 00:18:45,285 What do you think is different from when we started 437 00:18:46,185 --> 00:18:48,165 the first one that we did here in this studio 438 00:18:49,025 --> 00:18:52,155 to the 99th one that we've just finished? 439 00:18:52,155 --> 00:18:55,725 - Okay. I'm just gonna call it out because I can't help it. 440 00:18:57,625 --> 00:18:59,245 Dr. Kreuters's hair. Can we just talk about that? 441 00:19:00,665 --> 00:19:02,445 - Are - You talking about my covid project? 442 00:19:04,965 --> 00:19:07,425 - I mean, no facial hair whatsoever. 443 00:19:07,425 --> 00:19:10,205 It wasn't long when we first started, you know, 444 00:19:10,205 --> 00:19:11,785 then I think it was the long hair 445 00:19:11,785 --> 00:19:13,025 and then the beard appeared. 446 00:19:13,025 --> 00:19:14,065 It was just all the things. 447 00:19:14,065 --> 00:19:16,165 So I feel like, you know, we might just have 448 00:19:16,165 --> 00:19:17,625 to show a progression of that because 449 00:19:17,625 --> 00:19:19,155 - Oh, definitely. 450 00:19:19,155 --> 00:19:21,125 That was also one of the things 451 00:19:21,125 --> 00:19:22,525 that we would always laugh about. 452 00:19:22,525 --> 00:19:24,325 Like, did you see Dr. Kreuter's hair today? 453 00:19:24,325 --> 00:19:25,885 Like, we haven't seen him in a month. 454 00:19:25,885 --> 00:19:29,035 I know, like it has grown a lot. Yeah. 455 00:19:29,035 --> 00:19:31,525 - Yeah. I had, I had to, for the audience, I had 456 00:19:31,525 --> 00:19:34,805 to trim the, the beard once I started to kind 457 00:19:34,805 --> 00:19:38,085 of get in the way of the bow tie, so the bow type bandit. 458 00:19:38,085 --> 00:19:39,685 And people would just see me reach for my, 459 00:19:44,995 --> 00:19:47,045 - Yeah, I think, ah, something else 460 00:19:47,045 --> 00:19:50,145 that changed a lot just from the progression of COVID. 461 00:19:50,145 --> 00:19:53,535 You know, when we started here we had our teleprompters 462 00:19:53,535 --> 00:19:55,665 going, so you could look into the camera, 463 00:19:55,665 --> 00:19:58,805 you could read the intro and the outro. 464 00:19:59,795 --> 00:20:02,745 That kind of all changed when Covid came too. 465 00:20:02,745 --> 00:20:07,065 And everybody was just kind of on their own screens. Right? 466 00:20:07,065 --> 00:20:09,905 So just kind of trying to remind everybody, like, okay, if, 467 00:20:09,905 --> 00:20:13,145 if you have your talking points, that's great, keep those, 468 00:20:13,145 --> 00:20:15,755 but put them maybe closer to the camera for you. 469 00:20:15,755 --> 00:20:20,145 Otherwise you're looking here, but we're over here. 470 00:20:20,145 --> 00:20:22,405 So just trying to line that kind 471 00:20:22,405 --> 00:20:24,785 of just like those small little details that 472 00:20:24,785 --> 00:20:27,345 you don't really think of right away that now seem, 473 00:20:27,345 --> 00:20:28,865 you know, pretty intuitive to us. 474 00:20:28,865 --> 00:20:31,485 - But - Yeah. Yeah. 475 00:20:31,485 --> 00:20:34,525 I think for me, that reminds me of, again, one 476 00:20:34,525 --> 00:20:37,305 of these things about recording in a studio versus 477 00:20:37,305 --> 00:20:39,645 how we transitioned to over Zoom. 478 00:20:41,145 --> 00:20:45,305 It was like, in the studio, I think we were pretty much bound 479 00:20:45,305 --> 00:20:46,765 to, we could only record people 480 00:20:46,765 --> 00:20:49,055 that were here in Rochester, Minnesota. 481 00:20:49,055 --> 00:20:52,565 Right? I do distinctly remember doing one pre covid 482 00:20:52,565 --> 00:20:55,465 interview where somebody was remote, 483 00:20:55,465 --> 00:20:57,585 but I was here in the studio. 484 00:20:57,585 --> 00:21:00,645 And I have to say like, that was super challenging 485 00:21:00,645 --> 00:21:03,225 because I couldn't see them. 486 00:21:03,225 --> 00:21:05,045 And so that was like the one interview 487 00:21:05,045 --> 00:21:07,665 where I was constantly interrupting them 488 00:21:07,665 --> 00:21:09,355 or they were interrupting me 489 00:21:09,355 --> 00:21:12,285 because that sort of, that, the visual cues 490 00:21:12,285 --> 00:21:15,285 of somebody who is about to speak not present. 491 00:21:16,345 --> 00:21:17,435 And so that's another way, 492 00:21:17,435 --> 00:21:19,605 like this transition has been really good. 493 00:21:19,605 --> 00:21:23,925 Because as, as everybody knows, we've been able to get a lot 494 00:21:23,925 --> 00:21:28,345 of guests from, you know, internationally, we've been able 495 00:21:28,345 --> 00:21:30,745 to bring in a lot of students 496 00:21:30,745 --> 00:21:33,105 and talk with them from a lot of different places. 497 00:21:33,105 --> 00:21:35,885 And that, that's been a really cool way 498 00:21:35,885 --> 00:21:37,305 I think this podcast has, 499 00:21:37,305 --> 00:21:41,065 has changed is it's been a lot more welcoming, open 500 00:21:41,065 --> 00:21:44,255 and got, got a lot more diversity. 501 00:21:44,255 --> 00:21:46,425 Right. Yeah. All right. 502 00:21:46,425 --> 00:21:48,925 So we've, it should be a milestone 503 00:21:48,925 --> 00:21:51,305 that we've hit a hundred, which is great. 504 00:21:51,305 --> 00:21:53,355 So now let's talk about the next hundred. 505 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:55,065 What do you see Dr. Kreuter 506 00:21:55,065 --> 00:21:57,875 for the coming podcasts in the future? 507 00:21:57,875 --> 00:22:01,925 Well, I think, you know, like we've said, 508 00:22:01,925 --> 00:22:04,165 I think the important thing for this podcast is 509 00:22:04,165 --> 00:22:08,225 that we're putting together these interesting stories 510 00:22:08,225 --> 00:22:10,065 and sharing these perspectives. 511 00:22:10,065 --> 00:22:13,275 So I think that going forward, we want to 512 00:22:13,275 --> 00:22:15,965 lean into this diversity that we have. 513 00:22:17,225 --> 00:22:19,645 And to say that it's also a challenge 514 00:22:19,645 --> 00:22:22,225 because we've tried to reach out to some people 515 00:22:22,225 --> 00:22:25,705 and invite them onto the podcast where I think people think, 516 00:22:25,705 --> 00:22:28,515 oh, you know, you know, why me? 517 00:22:28,515 --> 00:22:30,595 Like, wouldn't you rather have, you know, 518 00:22:30,595 --> 00:22:33,005 like particularly when we've even tried to reach out, 519 00:22:33,005 --> 00:22:36,735 sometimes Allied Health is kind of felt like, well, 520 00:22:36,735 --> 00:22:38,835 there should be a physician that's on there. 521 00:22:38,835 --> 00:22:40,125 It's like, well, no, we really want 522 00:22:40,125 --> 00:22:42,325 that perspective in the mix. 523 00:22:43,365 --> 00:22:47,045 I have to say, our students that we've interviewed, some 524 00:22:47,045 --> 00:22:48,585 of them I've been able to reach out to, 525 00:22:48,585 --> 00:22:51,625 but a lot of them have been students that have been here 526 00:22:51,625 --> 00:22:54,105 and rotated and, and proposed the idea. 527 00:22:54,105 --> 00:22:56,265 So I think maybe 528 00:22:56,265 --> 00:22:58,405 as we talk about leaning into the diversity, 529 00:22:58,405 --> 00:23:00,605 interviewing people from different places, 530 00:23:00,605 --> 00:23:04,745 I encourage the audience, you know, if, if you know, 531 00:23:04,745 --> 00:23:06,545 we can please reach out 532 00:23:06,545 --> 00:23:09,915 to us if you're interested in sharing your story, 533 00:23:09,915 --> 00:23:14,035 your perspective on some aspect that again, bridges that, 534 00:23:14,035 --> 00:23:18,945 that clinical practice and the, and the laboratory practice. 535 00:23:18,945 --> 00:23:22,545 And I think, you know, we'll continue doing this process 536 00:23:22,545 --> 00:23:26,545 of bringing out these perspectives and, and these stories. 537 00:23:26,545 --> 00:23:27,675 And what about for you guys? 538 00:23:27,675 --> 00:23:29,875 What do you think next a hundred episodes? 539 00:23:29,875 --> 00:23:32,665 - Well, I would just like to kind of chime in on what Dr. 540 00:23:32,665 --> 00:23:35,905 Kreuter just mentioned, is that for anyone listening, 541 00:23:35,905 --> 00:23:38,435 if you do get our emails 542 00:23:38,435 --> 00:23:40,305 that we send out when the episodes go live, 543 00:23:40,305 --> 00:23:41,925 you'll see a little link at the bottom 544 00:23:43,785 --> 00:23:45,665 for a quick little survey. 545 00:23:45,665 --> 00:23:47,465 And if you have like thoughts or ideas 546 00:23:47,465 --> 00:23:49,405 or suggestions on things that you, 547 00:23:49,405 --> 00:23:52,385 as the audience want to see, we encourage you to click there 548 00:23:52,385 --> 00:23:53,465 and fill that stuff out. 549 00:23:53,465 --> 00:23:55,185 We check it regularly 550 00:23:55,185 --> 00:23:57,165 and we would just love to hear 551 00:23:57,165 --> 00:23:58,285 what you guys all have to say about it. 552 00:23:59,475 --> 00:24:01,885 - Yeah, good, good call out. 553 00:24:01,885 --> 00:24:05,165 I would just say I'm just excited to see what the next 554 00:24:05,165 --> 00:24:07,765 a hundred episodes, you know, 555 00:24:07,765 --> 00:24:10,445 like from when we started day one, I definitely 556 00:24:11,305 --> 00:24:14,725 didn't foresee the future of where we are today. 557 00:24:14,725 --> 00:24:16,825 I mean, it, it's been a fun journey 558 00:24:16,825 --> 00:24:18,925 and probably one of my favorite projects 559 00:24:18,925 --> 00:24:20,465 that we have in education right now. 560 00:24:20,465 --> 00:24:23,365 So yeah, that's, thanks to you guys. 561 00:24:24,935 --> 00:24:29,425 - Ditto. I mean this, this team is a joy. 562 00:24:29,425 --> 00:24:32,875 And I just wanna say hat tip for, you know, 563 00:24:32,875 --> 00:24:35,525 getting this group that has done so much work from 564 00:24:35,525 --> 00:24:38,205 behind the scenes and bringing up front, 565 00:24:38,205 --> 00:24:40,005 this has been wonderful to do this 566 00:24:40,005 --> 00:24:41,445 reflection with each of you. 567 00:24:41,445 --> 00:24:44,435 Yeah, I agree. So we've been rounding 568 00:24:44,435 --> 00:24:49,065 with the full production crew of lab medicine rounds. 569 00:24:49,065 --> 00:24:53,075 So from all of us involved in the show, all four of us, 570 00:24:53,075 --> 00:24:54,705 we'd like to thank you for your support 571 00:24:54,705 --> 00:24:57,985 and for joining us to celebrate this fun milestone 572 00:24:57,985 --> 00:25:01,105 of our 100th episode. 573 00:25:01,105 --> 00:25:04,965 And if you have any suggestions for the show, we invite you 574 00:25:04,965 --> 00:25:06,865 to send your thoughts via email 575 00:25:06,865 --> 00:25:10,705 to MCL education@mayo.edu. 576 00:25:10,705 --> 00:25:13,965 And lastly, if you've enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe 577 00:25:14,975 --> 00:25:16,145 until our next rounds, 578 00:25:16,145 --> 00:25:19,425 we encourage you to continue to connect lab medicine 579 00:25:19,425 --> 00:25:22,565 and the clinical practice through insightful conversations.