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what is up everybody and

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welcome to the united

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states department of nerds

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where we are for the people

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by the people and of the

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people and as you can see I

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already have my guest for

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tonight with me we've been

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having a great conversation

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behind the scenes here but

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before we dig into the

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hard-hitting questions I

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have for fran today let's

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hit that beautiful music

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You are listening to the USBN on the DSPN.

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Thank you.

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what is up everybody welcome

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again today I have with me

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francisco nilo from buenos

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aires and if his name

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sounds familiar that is

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because he is the artist

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from the vitalarium comic

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book series that I have

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been reading uh nicholas

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was on the show not that

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long ago I think about a

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month ago now and I was

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like you know what let's have fran on

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Let's talk about the art

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behind it as well.

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But we're going to dig into

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some other stuff with Fran as well.

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Fran, how are you doing today?

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Doing great.

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Happy to be here.

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Hey, I'm happy to have you on, man.

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So real quick,

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give a quick intro of

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yourself and kind of like

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what else you work on.

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You don't just do comic books.

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You do other things.

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Yeah, I've actually studied filmmaking.

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I wanted to be a film

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director when I was a kid.

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so those two things drawing

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comic books and and

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directing films were two

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things that were running

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parallel to each other

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during pretty much my whole

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life until I sort of

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dropped the whole

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filmmaking thing but I got

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to be in contact with other

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filmmakers and stuff so I

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got to work as a storyboard

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artist and a poster artist for

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films and for um series I I

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worked at a graphic design

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place for a couple of years

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making designs for netflix

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and amc uh that's really

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cool yeah yeah so so I got

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to learn a lot about you

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know those sort of

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conversations you get to see you know uh

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they were useful later on for,

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for comic book covers and all that stuff,

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which are not that

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different from what you see in your,

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in your local.

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It's really not.

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I mean, if you've seen the,

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like behind the scenes on

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how movies are made,

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they have these huge storyboards.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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it was just like comic book panels.

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I imagine that transition

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was pretty easy for you

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from doing that to only

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you're scaling it down.

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Yeah, I'm crazy.

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The greatest thing is that I

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got to learn more about me,

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or a bit more about how to

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make comic books through filmmaking,

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and vice versa.

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Because there are there are

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rules to how you tell

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stories and where to place the camera,

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and certain you know,

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the one hundred and eighty

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degree angle thing when it comes to

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camera placement so that the spectator,

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the audience knows what's

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happening where.

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All that stuff,

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it's helped me become a

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better comic book artist,

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a better storyteller in general,

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which is what I've always wanted to do.

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So storyboards, comic books, films,

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all that stuff, they tell stories.

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I love telling stories in a video.

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I don't know how many people

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have actually got to look at,

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I know I shared some of

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your artwork when I talked

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to Nick on the comic book

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and like the art is terrific in it.

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Thank you.

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And then I'm trying to

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remember the name of the colorist.

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Chandran Bonsami, he's from India,

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which is- But she lives in Egypt,

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correct?

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From India but lives in Egypt?

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I'm not sure where he's in.

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I think he's from India,

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but other than that.

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He's a colorist,

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like really good colorist.

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Spectacular.

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Probably one of the best

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I've gotten to collaborate with.

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I've let him know about it.

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On more than one occasion.

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Yeah, no, he's very good.

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Especially in issue two,

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it's a little bit more

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noticeable how good he lays

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colors down on top of

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colors and the way he layers everything.

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And granted,

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a lot of that is set up by you

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and the artwork that you do.

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Yeah,

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I did throw him a few curveballs

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there because I messed up some stuff.

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Like I left a few grays

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there that we couldn't.

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you know remove and there

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was there was stuff that

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was made in pencil style

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that it wasn't easy to uh

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to color and he welcomed

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the challenge and he was

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excited by it and I think

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it shows I think it shows

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I'm very excited now issue

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two turned out issue two

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turned out really well I

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was absolutely I loved the

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cover like the cover of

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issue two was phenomenal

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Thank you.

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I love the mask that he does, that you do,

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like his mask.

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That's probably one of my

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favorite things about it.

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It's amazing.

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Painful to draw for more than one page.

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And you will see in the next issue,

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I will have to draw that

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for pretty much half the books.

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So I've already started

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yesterday with that.

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I'm already sort of kicking myself.

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It is very detailed.

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It is very detailed, but it is,

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that's one of my favorite parts.

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It really is.

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The whole exoskeleton suit

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is just phenomenal,

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but that mask is what sets

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it really apart.

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It beat off them.

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Dude, definitely.

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That extra time you put into that alone,

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it paid dividends.

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It's amazing to look at.

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So let's start from the beginning.

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How did you get in contact?

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How did Nick go about

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getting a hold of you?

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And how has that

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relationship been with

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working on this book, the comic book?

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Well,

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we actually were introduced to each

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other through an Instagram DM by a fellow,

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by a friend of ours.

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Actually, a guy who I got to work with

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like in, uh, or something, uh,

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we have tried to make,

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we had started a project

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for a comic book page, a website, right.

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That would host comic books and all that,

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that ended up not flying,

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but I did end up drawing

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like three or four issues

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of a comic book there.

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and this guy was the editor

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uh it seems he was

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impressed enough by that so

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many years later because it

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was twenty twenty three or

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something like that by the

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time that he reached out

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told me I got a friend of

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mine who's who's got this

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sci-fi project I think it

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would be perfect for you

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you want me to put you

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doing content and that

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that's how it started that how we uh

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That's how I got to know Nick.

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It's been amazing.

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He's the most collaborative writer.

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You talked to him the other day.

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He's very clear.

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He's built this whole world

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and he's very clear about it,

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but he's not overly

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precious about it in the

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sense that he gives you the

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basic structure and he lets

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you play on it.

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He's very open to

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new ideas and new stuff.

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For instance,

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the helmet that you liked so much,

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that was something I came

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up with on the spot.

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He liked it as it was.

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I'm telling everybody that's

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going to listen to this later,

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if you can look at the

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cover for Issue Two, that whole,

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the exoskeleton suit, the motorcycle

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thing that he rides yeah

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yeah the hover bikes yes

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they are very detailed very

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especially the suit and the

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helmet it's it's phenomenal

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and that issue two cover

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like the moment I seen it I

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was like brand he went

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above and beyond on this

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cover like you didn't have

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to go that hard on that cover

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Yeah, I'm pretty happy with that cover,

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too.

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There's a few things along

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my career that I'm very happy about.

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That cover is one of them.

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As it should be.

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That cover was phenomenal.

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I think, or I hope,

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I've set up high

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expectations for myself

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when it comes to Vitalyrium

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to sort of have each issue

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sort of improve upon the previous one.

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and go further than the previous one did.

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So I'm hoping the next issue will be,

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as a whole,

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one of those things I will be

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proud of for years to come.

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I don't know.

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Dude, you should be.

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You've been starting at issue one.

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It's phenomenal.

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The art's amazing.

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The colors, the story,

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everything matches the way it should.

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It tells the story.

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I love the issue, too,

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because we got to know

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Roman a little bit more

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about his vices and

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really it gives you that

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first breadcrumb of what

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the whole entire book is

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about yeah yeah so it's

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it's really good in that

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respect so no you have

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every right in dude that's

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when I'd be like I drew

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this you know but um so

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when you first read the uh

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concept for vidalirium

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what popped into your head

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from an art perspective?

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How did you see everything?

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I know Nick is very detail-oriented,

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and I'm sure he gave you a lot of that,

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but a lot of that also is

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on you on how you layer

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things and how you draw things.

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So what was the first thing

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that came to mind when you

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got this initial script for

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the first comic book?

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Well, when I read the first comic book,

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I sort of started looking

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for references of similar

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comics and stuff,

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sort of in my mind's eye.

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And there was this comic

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book drawn by Nick Klain,

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who's a fantastic artist.

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He's working on The

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Incredible Hulk right now.

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Okay.

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And there was this book he

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made for Image named Drifter.

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and that ended up being very

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much inspirational of what

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the world of vitalarium

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looked like in on issue one

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okay later on as as uh as

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nick told me well I want to

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lean more into the um

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cyberpunk feel of it I

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started pulling from other

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references there's this

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book by liver mejo uh named

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the uh something circle is

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it the one that it's

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currently rereading right now uh no wait

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A Vicious Circle.

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A Vicious Circle is a book

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by Lieberman Ho and Natsum Tomlin.

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I'm a huge fan of Lieberman Ho's artwork.

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Okay.

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And I ended up pulling from there.

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Blade Runner, you know,

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once he said cyberpunk,

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the gates opened up and it was, oh,

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all right, I can go harder on this.

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And he did.

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Like...

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I know I'm going to keep

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coming back to the helmet

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because I absolutely love the helmet.

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Like,

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was that just you off the top of your

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head or is like,

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what was your inspiration

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with that helmet?

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Cause it's very cyberpunk.

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Yeah.

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Very almost like Marvel, you know,

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like fold up and everything is it.

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Well,

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I definitely wanted it to be

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something that you could

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think was sort of folding

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on itself and not this sort

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of nanotechnology you see

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in the MCU nowadays.

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Okay,

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this can somehow fit in a smaller

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space when folded up.

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For the look of it,

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I sort of drew inspiration I

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don't remember who the

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artist was that's why it

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gives tron vibes yeah it

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gives strong vibes and and

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there was also um an artist

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I don't remember his his

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name sadly but uh I

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remember seeing he had a

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helmet design it was all like one huge uh

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a fish helmet you know like

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just all black glass and I

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thought this looks cool but

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I want to show manta from

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dc sort of but not that

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huge yeah not as big yeah

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right um and I I love that

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thing where you can

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figure out where the eyes

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were and where the mouth

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was or where the nose was.

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No, it's... Blank.

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Yeah.

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No, you... I thought, hey, this guy, Roman,

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is sort of an assassin bounty hunter.

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You want him to look menacing,

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even if he's sort of,

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as you already should do,

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he's got a lot of vices and

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he's far from perfect.

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He can...

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He's got that helmet on.

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He's menacing as fuck.

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You can't tell what's going on.

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He also has a lot of... And

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I told Nick when I talked to him,

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on the cover of the book,

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which I know you have,

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it gives very strong

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Assassin's Creed vibes as well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That was very much something

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that Nick was...

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sort of suggesting.

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Yeah, I know he's a big fan, yeah.

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Yeah,

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I don't know how aware he was of the

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Assassin's Creed vibes necessarily.

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If you look at the front of the cover,

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the way the hood is,

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he has the hood on and he's

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just kind of standing there looking out.

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That's where I got, I was like, oh dude,

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it looks like, you know,

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Assassin's Creed video game cover.

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Yeah,

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I don't know how aware he was or how

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unconscious that was,

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how subconscious that was.

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from him, but it definitely has that.

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You hear it right on the spot.

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It's got that vibe.

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It's like,

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and I'm telling everybody out

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there that's going to listen later,

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it's like Assassin's Creed, Cyberpunk,

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Blade Runner had a

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beautiful baby boy and his

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name is Roman and he's the

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main character of this series.

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It's absolutely the world itself.

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I know he's got a forty plus page

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you know,

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Excel word document on just

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everything about this book,

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about this world that he has built.

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And you are the one who brings it to life.

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Yeah.

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So.

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I'm actually not fully aware

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of everything he's got planned.

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I've got the book here.

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He sent it over all the way to Argentina.

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So that was a long trip.

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Uh,

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left the note here and everything,

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which I'm very grateful.

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I don't think I thanked him

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about the note on the first page.

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Now I can think of it.

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It was a nice gesture.

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And it's great.

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He sent me over issue one,

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and I was just like, dude,

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this is really awesome to have.

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Oh, yeah.

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To me,

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that's – I love the smell of a

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brand-new comic book.

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Yeah.

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Or a brand-new book in general,

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the smell of the pages.

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And it's a different thing

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having it on your hand,

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sort of flipping through it.

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Yes.

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I'm a huge fan of that.

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It's one thing to read it digitally,

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and I've read a lot of

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books here lately digitally,

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but it's just something, just –

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To hold it, yeah.

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To hold it, the smell,

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the way the paper feels,

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everything about it just feels amazing.

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Yeah, every time I can,

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I try to sort of buy the

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most prestige format of the books I like.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, the ultimate collection,

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all that,

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because only the object has that

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special feel to it, right?

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Yep, yep.

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So walk us through, like, your process.

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Do you start with thumbnails?

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Do you do digital roughs?

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Or are you traditional, like,

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paper and pencil?

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Everybody's kind of different,

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and I know a lot of it's digital now.

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How do you like to do it?

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Well, when it comes to the...

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thumbnail process sort of

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the initial sketches as I'm

00:19:13.939 --> 00:19:15.319
reading the script I like

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to work on pencil on paper

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just rough stuff and lately

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for this next issue

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consider this sort of a a

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little teaser a little

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teaser yeah uh I printed

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out these smaller size pages and

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So I got the limits of the

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page and the sort of the

00:19:41.878 --> 00:19:43.440
aspect ratio of the page

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and sort of where I can go

00:19:44.901 --> 00:19:47.721
and where I cannot, where the bleeds are.

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So I start drawing as I read the script,

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right?

00:19:54.728 --> 00:19:55.367
I do this.

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Then I scan it and show it

00:19:58.369 --> 00:19:59.911
to Nick for his approval.

00:20:00.570 --> 00:20:02.412
This one he approved on the spot.

00:20:03.373 --> 00:20:05.874
No revisions, no notes, which was amazing.

00:20:08.335 --> 00:20:09.695
He rarely has any notes,

00:20:09.756 --> 00:20:13.657
but this time he had zero

00:20:13.678 --> 00:20:15.259
notes whatsoever, which was amazing.

00:20:16.403 --> 00:20:17.683
It's a crazy episode,

00:20:17.703 --> 00:20:19.946
this one that's coming.

00:20:20.346 --> 00:20:22.189
I told him at the end of issue two,

00:20:22.269 --> 00:20:24.590
I was like, like, I was literally like,

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I'm sitting at my desk and

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I'm kind of leaned into it, you know,

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and I'm like scrolling through it.

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And I'm at the, you know,

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I got my seat pushed all

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the way back and I'm really

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leaning into it.

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I'm like...

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I'm like, we got that first breadcrumb,

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which I've already,

00:20:38.528 --> 00:20:39.929
I'm in that part of the book, you know,

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I've passed it already.

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I kind of know where we're going.

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Right.

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But it was just like,

00:20:44.431 --> 00:20:47.211
but seeing it visually, you're like, oh,

00:20:47.251 --> 00:20:48.132
that, because you,

00:20:48.571 --> 00:20:50.053
at that point you can kind of like, oh,

00:20:50.153 --> 00:20:51.292
I know about where I am in

00:20:51.333 --> 00:20:52.294
the book with this one.

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So I was like, yeah.

00:20:55.115 --> 00:20:55.694
Well, here's,

00:20:56.494 --> 00:20:57.655
here's sort of funny thing

00:20:57.695 --> 00:20:59.135
about this next issue.

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It's actually sort of a prequel.

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and so we've got some I like

00:21:09.067 --> 00:21:11.067
to say sort of like a mix

00:21:11.087 --> 00:21:13.288
between Raiders of the Lost

00:21:13.548 --> 00:21:17.090
Ark meets Lovecraft he's

00:21:17.111 --> 00:21:18.351
got that oh yeah cosmic

00:21:18.391 --> 00:21:19.692
horror thing going on in

00:21:19.711 --> 00:21:21.952
the background it's it's it's right in

00:21:22.073 --> 00:21:22.913
in the sweet spot of the

00:21:23.013 --> 00:21:24.134
sort of thing that I like.

00:21:24.574 --> 00:21:27.115
I love this sort of thing.

00:21:27.195 --> 00:21:29.856
Lovecraft and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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Yeah.

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And sci-fi on top.

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So you've got all the

00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:35.740
elements that I love.

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So I'm really,

00:21:36.540 --> 00:21:37.602
really hyped and really

00:21:37.662 --> 00:21:39.063
hopeful that this one turns

00:21:39.182 --> 00:21:41.584
out exactly as I imagined.

00:21:41.624 --> 00:21:44.384
So I make these little thumbnails,

00:21:45.105 --> 00:21:46.006
which these ones,

00:21:46.086 --> 00:21:47.567
because I was so excited about,

00:21:47.727 --> 00:21:48.488
took forever.

00:21:49.914 --> 00:21:54.717
Then I scan them, turn it and go to the,

00:21:55.576 --> 00:21:56.997
make a Photoshop file and

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start making them the digital inks.

00:22:00.679 --> 00:22:01.318
Okay.

00:22:02.038 --> 00:22:04.380
For which oftentimes I will

00:22:04.420 --> 00:22:06.861
take reference photos, which are actually,

00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:09.922
I set my phone, whatever,

00:22:11.061 --> 00:22:12.403
on a tripod and take

00:22:12.722 --> 00:22:14.682
pictures of myself in different poses.

00:22:15.604 --> 00:22:18.365
My girlfriend will laugh at

00:22:18.424 --> 00:22:19.464
me as I'm doing it.

00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:22.500
Sometimes she will sort of photobomb them.

00:22:23.382 --> 00:22:26.483
No, that's awesome, dude.

00:22:27.685 --> 00:22:29.886
So there's a folder in my

00:22:29.926 --> 00:22:32.710
computer somewhere where I've got – Oh,

00:22:32.849 --> 00:22:34.131
you know where it is.

00:22:34.391 --> 00:22:35.551
These goofy poses.

00:22:37.653 --> 00:22:39.115
And then I start drawing,

00:22:39.154 --> 00:22:41.156
and each page takes around

00:22:42.979 --> 00:22:47.043
somewhere around –

00:22:44.861 --> 00:22:48.009
ten to sixteen hours a page

00:22:49.412 --> 00:22:50.714
between because I also do

00:22:50.736 --> 00:22:52.680
the lettering which I'm not yeah yeah

00:22:53.419 --> 00:22:54.759
know that's part of the like

00:22:54.779 --> 00:22:55.660
that's like the one of the

00:22:55.700 --> 00:22:58.061
last things that gets done

00:22:58.102 --> 00:23:00.143
usually yeah well in this

00:23:00.163 --> 00:23:01.443
case since I'm the artist

00:23:01.483 --> 00:23:04.444
myself I I do this weird

00:23:04.505 --> 00:23:06.066
thing where I place sort of

00:23:06.105 --> 00:23:08.067
the reference pictures I've

00:23:08.106 --> 00:23:10.628
taken on the page and then

00:23:10.769 --> 00:23:13.490
I place the speech bubbles

00:23:13.830 --> 00:23:16.132
of speech balloons uh

00:23:16.152 --> 00:23:17.211
before I start thinking

00:23:17.553 --> 00:23:18.692
because that way I know

00:23:19.094 --> 00:23:20.213
where I have to add extra

00:23:20.273 --> 00:23:21.674
detail where yeah

00:23:22.025 --> 00:23:24.205
where I have to move the artwork.

00:23:26.208 --> 00:23:32.051
It's sort of something that

00:23:32.432 --> 00:23:34.393
usually letters don't have,

00:23:34.432 --> 00:23:36.994
which is that opportunity

00:23:37.035 --> 00:23:39.436
to set the lettering

00:23:39.557 --> 00:23:41.178
wherever they please and

00:23:41.238 --> 00:23:43.380
then have the artwork coming later.

00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:45.280
So I bought a book on

00:23:45.340 --> 00:23:48.063
lettering to sort of learn, but I read,

00:23:48.163 --> 00:23:48.542
I think,

00:23:48.803 --> 00:23:50.403
ten pages and haven't had the

00:23:50.463 --> 00:23:51.404
time to keep going.

00:23:51.897 --> 00:23:54.199
keeps doing it.

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No, you're doing it right.

00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:57.461
I know me and Nick had this

00:23:57.500 --> 00:23:58.441
conversation as well.

00:23:58.500 --> 00:23:59.741
Lettering can make or break

00:23:59.781 --> 00:24:01.222
a story because if it's too

00:24:01.262 --> 00:24:03.604
much or if it eats too much of a panel,

00:24:03.644 --> 00:24:04.344
you kind of lose.

00:24:04.364 --> 00:24:05.525
Like, oh yeah, I see the words,

00:24:05.585 --> 00:24:07.425
but where's the visual that

00:24:07.445 --> 00:24:08.226
kind of goes with it?

00:24:08.286 --> 00:24:09.027
You know what I'm saying?

00:24:10.366 --> 00:24:12.288
You're doing it just fine, man.

00:24:13.588 --> 00:24:15.230
I was telling him,

00:24:15.269 --> 00:24:16.190
I've seen professional

00:24:16.230 --> 00:24:17.691
comic books from Marvel and

00:24:17.711 --> 00:24:19.172
from DC that are just...

00:24:20.191 --> 00:24:21.230
looked like the letters were

00:24:21.672 --> 00:24:23.092
threw up over the page and

00:24:23.152 --> 00:24:27.493
it's like yeah like yeah as

00:24:27.614 --> 00:24:30.035
I as I started lettering my

00:24:30.095 --> 00:24:32.996
own stuff I've been more

00:24:33.036 --> 00:24:35.297
I've started to be more uh

00:24:35.356 --> 00:24:36.798
understanding of letters

00:24:36.897 --> 00:24:38.838
because it's it's hard

00:24:40.199 --> 00:24:41.920
without the artwork already

00:24:41.980 --> 00:24:44.560
set in it's hard already

00:24:45.674 --> 00:24:47.715
but once you deliver you are

00:24:47.756 --> 00:24:49.176
delivered the page that's

00:24:49.257 --> 00:24:51.358
full color fully fully

00:24:51.398 --> 00:24:53.259
drawn and you have to place

00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:54.780
the balloons there yeah I I

00:24:56.060 --> 00:24:59.884
no thank you stay at the

00:24:59.923 --> 00:25:01.924
beginning of the of the queue and

00:25:06.317 --> 00:25:08.038
That's why, like,

00:25:08.077 --> 00:25:09.078
when I first started doing

00:25:09.118 --> 00:25:10.138
my comic book shows,

00:25:10.199 --> 00:25:11.539
I wouldn't include the letter.

00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:13.240
I wouldn't include, like,

00:25:13.280 --> 00:25:14.642
the people who did the colors.

00:25:14.701 --> 00:25:16.183
I was just, like, the basic, hey,

00:25:16.663 --> 00:25:17.704
here's the guy who draws it.

00:25:17.744 --> 00:25:19.045
Here's the guy that did the cover.

00:25:19.086 --> 00:25:19.865
Here's the writer.

00:25:20.567 --> 00:25:23.749
And then it was Erica Schultz, actually,

00:25:24.128 --> 00:25:25.410
who does Rat City.

00:25:25.450 --> 00:25:26.371
She does Edge-XXIII.

00:25:26.391 --> 00:25:30.713
She's doing...

00:25:32.153 --> 00:25:36.035
the new daredevil, the red band series.

00:25:37.155 --> 00:25:38.736
And, um,

00:25:38.776 --> 00:25:40.916
she actually shot me a message and

00:25:40.936 --> 00:25:41.656
was like, Hey,

00:25:42.136 --> 00:25:43.116
there's other people that

00:25:43.176 --> 00:25:44.097
work on these books.

00:25:44.137 --> 00:25:45.577
Can you start including them?

00:25:46.157 --> 00:25:47.578
And I was like, yeah.

00:25:47.699 --> 00:25:49.878
I mean, if, unless I run out of characters,

00:25:49.939 --> 00:25:53.760
then I obviously I can't, but, um,

00:25:53.780 --> 00:25:54.721
she was the ones like, Hey,

00:25:54.740 --> 00:25:55.780
these people work just as

00:25:55.800 --> 00:25:57.102
hard as we do writing and

00:25:57.142 --> 00:25:58.682
coloring and drawing.

00:25:59.481 --> 00:26:01.042
Do you think you can include them?

00:26:01.303 --> 00:26:01.722
I was like,

00:26:02.087 --> 00:26:03.628
not a problem you know I I

00:26:03.669 --> 00:26:04.470
was like the only reason I

00:26:04.529 --> 00:26:06.631
wasn't doing it was because

00:26:07.250 --> 00:26:08.352
character space and so I

00:26:08.372 --> 00:26:09.593
took out some of this stuff

00:26:10.093 --> 00:26:11.094
like I would give my a

00:26:11.134 --> 00:26:12.375
little like review at the

00:26:12.434 --> 00:26:13.695
bottom so I stopped really

00:26:13.736 --> 00:26:14.816
doing the reviews at the

00:26:14.855 --> 00:26:16.297
bottom that way I could

00:26:16.317 --> 00:26:17.357
actually give credit to

00:26:17.518 --> 00:26:18.798
everybody associated with

00:26:18.818 --> 00:26:19.719
the book because I think

00:26:19.739 --> 00:26:22.260
that means a lot more so

00:26:23.701 --> 00:26:24.782
but no I have all the mad

00:26:24.803 --> 00:26:25.482
respect for them in the

00:26:25.522 --> 00:26:27.084
world because they they

00:26:27.104 --> 00:26:28.244
make or break a comic book

00:26:28.265 --> 00:26:29.746
sometimes yeah yeah yeah yeah

00:26:31.308 --> 00:26:33.469
So I know we've kind of hit

00:26:33.630 --> 00:26:34.410
this one before,

00:26:34.450 --> 00:26:35.769
but are there any specific

00:26:35.809 --> 00:26:37.190
characters or scenes or

00:26:37.289 --> 00:26:40.171
sequences that were either

00:26:40.330 --> 00:26:42.050
especially fun or kind of

00:26:42.090 --> 00:26:44.132
like really hard for you to illustrate?

00:26:46.632 --> 00:26:48.172
Whether it was book one or book two.

00:26:49.272 --> 00:26:53.834
Well, I think on book one,

00:26:54.693 --> 00:26:59.095
I really love drawing Darlie, the sort of

00:27:03.163 --> 00:27:06.765
gang boss with the mohawk.

00:27:08.006 --> 00:27:10.047
I really have fun drawing him.

00:27:10.307 --> 00:27:12.828
It was hard to draw him on

00:27:12.868 --> 00:27:14.148
consecutive pages because

00:27:14.169 --> 00:27:15.029
of all the tattoos,

00:27:15.049 --> 00:27:16.651
but I had a lot of fun with it.

00:27:21.202 --> 00:27:22.983
performance of the character.

00:27:23.003 --> 00:27:25.305
I mean, he didn't just have tattoos.

00:27:25.325 --> 00:27:28.086
He also had the, the, some of the cyber.

00:27:28.926 --> 00:27:29.268
Yeah.

00:27:29.347 --> 00:27:31.288
He had a jaw and missing a finger as well.

00:27:31.888 --> 00:27:32.229
Yeah.

00:27:32.750 --> 00:27:33.069
Yeah.

00:27:33.130 --> 00:27:36.010
So, well, the action scene on,

00:27:36.192 --> 00:27:39.773
on issue one was also super fun to do.

00:27:39.854 --> 00:27:41.273
Not there's people who would

00:27:41.355 --> 00:27:44.856
like to only draw the action scene on,

00:27:45.116 --> 00:27:46.277
on their comic books.

00:27:46.517 --> 00:27:46.978
I sort of,

00:27:48.230 --> 00:27:49.791
like drawing a bit of everything.

00:27:50.632 --> 00:27:52.732
And actually since I struggle to make,

00:27:56.934 --> 00:27:58.214
I like to try to make them

00:27:58.255 --> 00:27:59.836
feel as dynamic as possible.

00:28:00.455 --> 00:28:01.497
And sometimes I feel like

00:28:01.576 --> 00:28:03.778
I'm not up there.

00:28:04.137 --> 00:28:05.198
So I was really happy with

00:28:05.238 --> 00:28:06.077
how it turned out.

00:28:06.618 --> 00:28:08.779
And it was both challenging

00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:09.960
and fun to make.

00:28:11.681 --> 00:28:12.381
It turned out well.

00:28:12.421 --> 00:28:13.882
That was one of my favorite scenes.

00:28:13.942 --> 00:28:14.102
Like,

00:28:14.122 --> 00:28:15.883
cause that really gave you your first

00:28:15.962 --> 00:28:16.303
hint

00:28:18.266 --> 00:28:19.686
of like, oh, Roman's a badass.

00:28:20.367 --> 00:28:22.088
Right, yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:28:22.368 --> 00:28:23.951
So I wanted to make, you know,

00:28:24.010 --> 00:28:26.853
to actually show that and that it,

00:28:27.614 --> 00:28:29.315
since it had been like ten

00:28:29.355 --> 00:28:31.356
pages up to that point to

00:28:31.416 --> 00:28:32.438
actually pay off.

00:28:33.098 --> 00:28:34.359
And it turned out well,

00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:35.441
and the fact they got to

00:28:35.500 --> 00:28:39.804
draw a very gory action

00:28:39.844 --> 00:28:41.766
scene was also very... Yeah, no,

00:28:41.806 --> 00:28:42.446
that was...

00:28:43.717 --> 00:28:44.977
That was really cool.

00:28:44.997 --> 00:28:45.896
That was one of my favorite

00:28:45.916 --> 00:28:47.657
scenes in book one was when

00:28:47.698 --> 00:28:48.798
he literally was just like,

00:28:49.238 --> 00:28:50.417
I'll shoot your finger off

00:28:50.458 --> 00:28:51.138
and make you eat it.

00:28:51.159 --> 00:28:54.019
I was like, dude, that's cold.

00:28:54.959 --> 00:28:57.420
And then he did it.

00:28:58.220 --> 00:28:59.140
And then on issue two,

00:28:59.220 --> 00:29:01.441
I think my favorite thing,

00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:03.361
because I got to experiment a bit.

00:29:03.540 --> 00:29:04.760
I'm doing sort of

00:29:05.701 --> 00:29:07.602
experimenting with the artwork again.

00:29:09.369 --> 00:29:12.612
on issue zero is the dream sequence,

00:29:12.751 --> 00:29:14.173
the flashback sequence.

00:29:15.772 --> 00:29:17.534
Because I got to sort of imitate,

00:29:17.834 --> 00:29:19.234
as far as I'm capable of,

00:29:21.695 --> 00:29:24.297
another artist's style,

00:29:24.317 --> 00:29:26.817
which is Ricardo Federici.

00:29:26.877 --> 00:29:28.219
He's an Italian artist.

00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.060
I'm nowhere near as good as he is.

00:29:33.395 --> 00:29:35.258
But he's got a pencil work

00:29:35.557 --> 00:29:36.960
that's just fantastic.

00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:40.222
So I got to sort of imitate that style.

00:29:42.965 --> 00:29:43.826
We were discussing this

00:29:43.846 --> 00:29:44.948
before we went live,

00:29:45.008 --> 00:29:45.828
and we were talking about

00:29:45.909 --> 00:29:49.432
some of the other artists from Italy.

00:29:49.472 --> 00:29:52.556
There's a bunch of them, Spain, the UK,

00:29:53.057 --> 00:29:54.657
so many artists out there

00:29:54.678 --> 00:29:55.920
that are currently like,

00:29:57.127 --> 00:29:59.509
doing Marvel, DC, Image,

00:30:00.810 --> 00:30:03.873
other... They're all from Europe.

00:30:05.094 --> 00:30:06.194
A lot of them are.

00:30:06.715 --> 00:30:08.636
And that's why I have... If

00:30:08.656 --> 00:30:10.438
you watch one of my comic book episodes,

00:30:10.798 --> 00:30:14.781
I struggle to read some people's names.

00:30:14.801 --> 00:30:15.803
Because I'm like...

00:30:16.655 --> 00:30:17.576
am I supposed to be putting

00:30:17.656 --> 00:30:20.138
like some Italian accent on here?

00:30:20.179 --> 00:30:22.980
Like what am I, is it Spanish?

00:30:23.781 --> 00:30:24.162
And I'm like,

00:30:24.201 --> 00:30:25.643
I'm trying so hard and I've

00:30:25.722 --> 00:30:28.526
always felt bad because I

00:30:28.546 --> 00:30:30.086
can't pronounce them for shit.

00:30:30.166 --> 00:30:31.347
And I try so hard to,

00:30:31.548 --> 00:30:34.549
but naturally you go back

00:30:34.650 --> 00:30:36.612
and you Google and you're like, Oh, okay.

00:30:36.692 --> 00:30:37.512
They're okay.

00:30:38.145 --> 00:30:40.027
and I try to do that a lot

00:30:40.086 --> 00:30:42.647
more now that as I've as

00:30:42.689 --> 00:30:43.648
I've gotten further along

00:30:43.749 --> 00:30:45.269
into this if I see a name

00:30:45.289 --> 00:30:46.269
and I'm like okay let me

00:30:46.329 --> 00:30:47.671
google to see kind of how

00:30:47.691 --> 00:30:48.471
I'm supposed to say this

00:30:48.511 --> 00:30:50.373
name and then I'll try to

00:30:50.512 --> 00:30:51.532
imitate that for a couple

00:30:51.553 --> 00:30:53.974
of minutes before but like

00:30:53.994 --> 00:30:54.994
there's a I got a whole

00:30:55.035 --> 00:30:55.976
episode where it's like

00:30:56.135 --> 00:30:57.215
every comic book I'm

00:30:57.256 --> 00:30:59.917
talking about is like I'm

00:30:59.938 --> 00:31:01.479
about to butcher somebody else's name

00:31:02.921 --> 00:31:05.042
yeah yeah yeah well but you

00:31:05.083 --> 00:31:06.704
tried that's that's amazing

00:31:06.724 --> 00:31:08.226
no I will always try and

00:31:08.286 --> 00:31:09.907
their art is so good and

00:31:09.948 --> 00:31:11.749
their writing is so good um

00:31:12.769 --> 00:31:14.251
I think her name is sonia

00:31:14.352 --> 00:31:16.173
matis and I think she's

00:31:16.314 --> 00:31:18.935
spanish as well but her art

00:31:18.976 --> 00:31:21.398
and her writing is so good

00:31:21.419 --> 00:31:22.559
I'll have to check it out

00:31:23.641 --> 00:31:27.163
so well I I'll check it out

00:31:27.183 --> 00:31:27.805
later because yeah

00:31:32.567 --> 00:31:34.388
Like,

00:31:34.489 --> 00:31:36.990
when you pass your work off to your

00:31:37.030 --> 00:31:39.532
colorists and, like,

00:31:39.633 --> 00:31:42.154
how much do y'all talk yourselves?

00:31:42.355 --> 00:31:43.296
Like, are y'all, like,

00:31:43.336 --> 00:31:44.476
constantly back and forth?

00:31:44.516 --> 00:31:47.419
Like, or do you kind of give him a hint of,

00:31:47.439 --> 00:31:49.039
like, hey, like, these colors here?

00:31:49.059 --> 00:31:50.320
I know Nick is very much

00:31:50.681 --> 00:31:51.842
involved in it as well,

00:31:51.922 --> 00:31:53.782
but how much are you doing?

00:31:54.343 --> 00:31:55.865
Yeah, Nick is very much involved in it,

00:31:55.984 --> 00:31:58.385
and he's also the – he

00:31:58.405 --> 00:32:01.018
usually leaves some –

00:32:01.544 --> 00:32:04.346
color cues, color indication,

00:32:04.707 --> 00:32:05.247
color script.

00:32:05.827 --> 00:32:07.388
All the other stuff is up to

00:32:08.108 --> 00:32:11.873
Chandran and whenever he sort of stays,

00:32:11.952 --> 00:32:14.674
whenever he does something too crazy,

00:32:16.195 --> 00:32:17.517
he's usually right on the spot.

00:32:20.078 --> 00:32:23.221
He usually hits the target perfectly,

00:32:23.741 --> 00:32:26.664
but every now and then,

00:32:28.203 --> 00:32:29.565
uh there may be a few

00:32:29.605 --> 00:32:30.846
changes so he sends a

00:32:30.905 --> 00:32:34.087
preview to us before he

00:32:34.147 --> 00:32:35.608
actually delivers the

00:32:35.669 --> 00:32:37.650
actual high resolution page

00:32:38.730 --> 00:32:43.113
um and then if any changes

00:32:43.173 --> 00:32:44.673
are necessary usually it's

00:32:44.753 --> 00:32:46.035
nick who will act for them

00:32:46.055 --> 00:32:50.537
um because I usually enjoy

00:32:50.778 --> 00:32:52.919
chandra's coloring as it is

00:32:53.038 --> 00:32:54.740
I think he elevated the artwork

00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:57.020
No, I enjoy his color,

00:32:57.902 --> 00:32:59.162
especially when it comes to

00:32:59.182 --> 00:33:01.741
the suit and the scene in

00:33:01.761 --> 00:33:04.242
the bar in ASU-I.

00:33:04.762 --> 00:33:07.804
I thought the color, it was gritty.

00:33:07.903 --> 00:33:08.923
It was dirty.

00:33:09.423 --> 00:33:10.544
There was just that right

00:33:10.584 --> 00:33:12.265
amount of pops of color.

00:33:13.484 --> 00:33:14.704
It was fantastic.

00:33:16.144 --> 00:33:16.625
On issue two,

00:33:16.664 --> 00:33:17.925
there was something that I

00:33:17.945 --> 00:33:19.145
didn't give him any

00:33:19.205 --> 00:33:20.486
indications whatsoever.

00:33:21.486 --> 00:33:23.826
The last scene, I wanted to sort of be

00:33:26.005 --> 00:33:27.625
lead do you remember that

00:33:27.766 --> 00:33:30.548
scene the um I think it was

00:33:30.647 --> 00:33:32.608
skyfall yeah shame spawn

00:33:32.628 --> 00:33:33.910
skyfall there's the scene

00:33:33.930 --> 00:33:35.570
where they are fighting and

00:33:35.611 --> 00:33:38.093
it's backlit by a neon sign

00:33:38.153 --> 00:33:40.773
or I don't know what and I

00:33:40.814 --> 00:33:42.095
wanted to sort of give that

00:33:42.154 --> 00:33:44.517
scene that feel where we got this

00:33:45.855 --> 00:33:46.736
light source that's

00:33:47.057 --> 00:33:48.517
constantly moving around.

00:33:48.576 --> 00:33:49.278
Yeah, no,

00:33:49.678 --> 00:33:53.199
like even like the server farm in there,

00:33:53.219 --> 00:33:54.180
the backlights,

00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:55.559
everything the way it looks

00:33:55.579 --> 00:33:56.941
like it's actually lit up

00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.642
on the paper is fantastic.

00:33:59.682 --> 00:34:01.222
And I didn't tell him anything.

00:34:01.242 --> 00:34:03.403
I just drew it and I sent it over and said,

00:34:03.463 --> 00:34:05.424
well, let's hope he gets.

00:34:05.444 --> 00:34:07.746
Yeah, no, he nailed that.

00:34:07.945 --> 00:34:09.505
The colors on those pages

00:34:09.585 --> 00:34:11.186
are absolutely amazing.

00:34:11.786 --> 00:34:12.927
My jaw was on the floor.

00:34:14.005 --> 00:34:15.106
And it's really cool because

00:34:15.226 --> 00:34:17.947
it really looks like, especially like me,

00:34:17.987 --> 00:34:19.568
I just read the digital version of it.

00:34:19.588 --> 00:34:20.987
I haven't seen the hard copy yet.

00:34:21.228 --> 00:34:21.967
I'm going to order it.

00:34:22.849 --> 00:34:25.289
But it literally looks like on the screen,

00:34:25.309 --> 00:34:27.150
like it's actually lit up.

00:34:27.929 --> 00:34:28.769
Like the lights and

00:34:28.829 --> 00:34:30.490
everything look like they're flickering.

00:34:31.411 --> 00:34:32.170
It's really something.

00:34:32.190 --> 00:34:33.612
He does such a great job.

00:34:33.711 --> 00:34:33.992
Yeah.

00:34:35.733 --> 00:34:36.773
I actually met him,

00:34:37.313 --> 00:34:39.554
like Chandran came into the

00:34:39.614 --> 00:34:43.536
team because I introduced him to Nick.

00:34:44.318 --> 00:34:45.577
And Chandran had

00:34:45.617 --> 00:34:47.099
collaborated with me on

00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:48.820
that previous project with

00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:50.199
that other guy who sort of

00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:52.521
introduced Nick and myself.

00:34:54.402 --> 00:34:58.103
And back then, it was almost ten years ago,

00:34:58.244 --> 00:34:58.523
right?

00:34:58.925 --> 00:35:01.585
A little less, but almost ten years ago.

00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.063
and he had blown my mind even back then.

00:35:07.226 --> 00:35:08.527
I knew this was the guy I

00:35:08.547 --> 00:35:11.771
wanted to color my artwork

00:35:11.811 --> 00:35:12.994
moving forward because he

00:35:13.054 --> 00:35:14.014
actually elevated.

00:35:14.074 --> 00:35:15.876
There's stuff where I drew

00:35:15.916 --> 00:35:17.659
and I was like sort of, ah,

00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.001
and he actually saved the

00:35:19.101 --> 00:35:21.063
artwork on more than one occasion.

00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:23.320
colors man they're they're

00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:24.820
phenomenal the way they can

00:35:25.501 --> 00:35:26.960
like the art builds the

00:35:27.041 --> 00:35:28.402
initial layers but really

00:35:28.461 --> 00:35:29.621
when the color comes in on

00:35:29.661 --> 00:35:31.282
top of the art it adds

00:35:31.342 --> 00:35:32.503
those additional layers and

00:35:32.523 --> 00:35:34.123
you get to see though

00:35:34.262 --> 00:35:35.083
everything kind of come

00:35:35.103 --> 00:35:36.543
together it's phenomenal

00:35:36.583 --> 00:35:38.744
the way and there's stuff

00:35:38.764 --> 00:35:39.844
that you and I didn't

00:35:40.164 --> 00:35:42.545
notice when I was drawing and it was like

00:35:43.153 --> 00:35:45.635
how didn't I pick up that I

00:35:45.655 --> 00:35:46.815
had drawn these, you know,

00:35:48.677 --> 00:35:49.938
the perspective wrong right

00:35:49.978 --> 00:35:51.079
here or whatever.

00:35:51.358 --> 00:35:52.800
And I didn't notice them

00:35:53.300 --> 00:35:54.260
without the colors.

00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:55.902
And the moment he colors them,

00:35:56.623 --> 00:35:57.884
it's not noticeable.

00:35:58.184 --> 00:36:02.547
But for me who had drawn it, I noticed it.

00:36:02.706 --> 00:36:04.268
It makes that much of a difference.

00:36:04.748 --> 00:36:07.510
Even for the one who made it, who drew it,

00:36:08.260 --> 00:36:10.340
It shows things that were hidden.

00:36:10.380 --> 00:36:10.940
But that's good

00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:12.922
collaboration between everybody, too,

00:36:14.001 --> 00:36:15.322
is you noticing it and like, hey,

00:36:15.362 --> 00:36:16.722
I need to fix this and then

00:36:16.782 --> 00:36:17.844
send it back real quick.

00:36:17.864 --> 00:36:20.405
Exactly.

00:36:20.505 --> 00:36:20.724
So, I mean,

00:36:20.744 --> 00:36:21.605
it's cool that y'all have that

00:36:21.644 --> 00:36:22.646
type of relationship.

00:36:22.706 --> 00:36:25.887
I know like he could have

00:36:25.907 --> 00:36:26.746
you could have just left it

00:36:26.766 --> 00:36:28.047
or he could have just left it alone.

00:36:28.148 --> 00:36:30.307
And we as readers wouldn't

00:36:30.367 --> 00:36:31.489
probably wouldn't have noticed it.

00:36:32.798 --> 00:36:33.800
yeah yeah exactly that's

00:36:33.820 --> 00:36:34.780
keeping it professional

00:36:34.820 --> 00:36:35.400
keeping it the

00:36:35.420 --> 00:36:36.561
collaboration and making

00:36:36.702 --> 00:36:37.702
sure that you're putting

00:36:37.722 --> 00:36:39.222
your best product out there

00:36:39.242 --> 00:36:41.244
and that's that's admirable

00:36:41.324 --> 00:36:43.947
and respectable so that's

00:36:43.967 --> 00:36:46.688
the spirit um of what we're

00:36:46.748 --> 00:36:48.248
doing we're we're giving it

00:36:48.469 --> 00:36:51.411
all on the delirium and as

00:36:51.431 --> 00:36:53.492
a general sort of a rule of

00:36:53.552 --> 00:36:54.853
thumb I try to give it all

00:36:54.873 --> 00:36:56.594
with everything that I know

00:36:57.034 --> 00:36:59.217
because you never know you know

00:37:00.902 --> 00:37:01.041
Like,

00:37:01.101 --> 00:37:03.023
this guy who introduced Nick and myself,

00:37:03.563 --> 00:37:06.865
he, that project was absolutely,

00:37:06.965 --> 00:37:08.005
I was doing it for free.

00:37:08.025 --> 00:37:09.567
I was living with my parents.

00:37:11.728 --> 00:37:13.510
I have no source of income.

00:37:13.929 --> 00:37:15.851
I was, I think I was like,

00:37:16.231 --> 00:37:18.293
eighteen or twenty years old, like,

00:37:19.592 --> 00:37:22.414
and so,

00:37:22.875 --> 00:37:24.757
but I was giving it my all anyway

00:37:24.777 --> 00:37:26.998
because I didn't know what might happen.

00:37:27.038 --> 00:37:28.378
So, lo and behold,

00:37:28.458 --> 00:37:30.340
over about ten years later,

00:37:31.106 --> 00:37:31.768
There I was.

00:37:33.568 --> 00:37:34.108
Here I am.

00:37:35.771 --> 00:37:37.692
I got to work with Nick on

00:37:38.413 --> 00:37:39.414
this new project.

00:37:39.673 --> 00:37:40.934
I'm super excited.

00:37:40.974 --> 00:37:43.516
It was thanks to that other

00:37:43.536 --> 00:37:46.378
project in which I gave it my all.

00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:47.880
It shows.

00:37:48.681 --> 00:37:49.121
Like I said,

00:37:49.161 --> 00:37:52.384
the art is terrific in this book.

00:37:52.523 --> 00:37:53.385
I'll praise art,

00:37:53.784 --> 00:37:56.007
but the way everything

00:37:56.047 --> 00:37:58.007
comes together with... I

00:37:58.027 --> 00:37:59.688
know it's Nick's words, your art...

00:38:00.842 --> 00:38:01.762
And his colors,

00:38:02.222 --> 00:38:04.503
everything just fits so well together.

00:38:04.684 --> 00:38:08.085
And y'all put together such a great book.

00:38:09.367 --> 00:38:12.528
And I'm hoping to get my

00:38:12.568 --> 00:38:13.969
whole little collection on it.

00:38:16.811 --> 00:38:18.032
I know we mentioned some a

00:38:18.072 --> 00:38:18.871
little bit earlier.

00:38:19.351 --> 00:38:20.273
Do you have any favorite

00:38:20.612 --> 00:38:22.273
software or brushes or

00:38:22.333 --> 00:38:23.534
pencils that you like to

00:38:23.675 --> 00:38:24.735
use when you're doing your art?

00:38:24.795 --> 00:38:26.496
Or are you just like, oh,

00:38:26.516 --> 00:38:27.197
here's my pencil?

00:38:29.349 --> 00:38:30.911
um different they they're

00:38:31.291 --> 00:38:32.391
some are very picky and

00:38:32.411 --> 00:38:33.811
will only use certain types

00:38:33.851 --> 00:38:35.032
and then I've seen some

00:38:35.052 --> 00:38:36.012
that are just like a

00:38:36.072 --> 00:38:37.512
pencil's a pencil you know

00:38:37.693 --> 00:38:41.373
right um yeah I'm sort of

00:38:41.414 --> 00:38:44.735
that that kind of artist

00:38:44.775 --> 00:38:46.096
where a pencil is a pencil

00:38:46.956 --> 00:38:48.036
I usually work if I'm

00:38:48.056 --> 00:38:51.677
working on pencil uh it's

00:38:51.777 --> 00:38:53.958
usually an hp pencil which

00:38:53.978 --> 00:38:55.418
is sort of medium it's not

00:38:55.458 --> 00:38:56.960
too soft it's not too hard

00:38:58.070 --> 00:39:00.771
And then for digital,

00:39:00.992 --> 00:39:06.556
I bought a Cintiq about two years ago,

00:39:06.617 --> 00:39:07.757
so I'm working on that.

00:39:07.797 --> 00:39:09.478
Okay.

00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:10.579
And on Photoshop,

00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:11.960
I'm more comfortable on

00:39:12.061 --> 00:39:14.583
Photoshop because I got all

00:39:14.603 --> 00:39:16.364
these tricks that I can work on.

00:39:16.565 --> 00:39:18.806
I haven't gotten truly used

00:39:18.847 --> 00:39:21.628
to using stuff like Clip Studio,

00:39:22.048 --> 00:39:23.389
though I did work on Clip

00:39:23.409 --> 00:39:24.231
Studio for a while,

00:39:24.271 --> 00:39:26.572
but I didn't quite click with it.

00:39:27.815 --> 00:39:31.139
And I got an iPad with Procreate too,

00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.922
but I don't,

00:39:34.342 --> 00:39:35.884
I haven't clicked with it either.

00:39:36.184 --> 00:39:38.286
There's stuff like, for instance,

00:39:38.306 --> 00:39:42.550
the dream sequence on issue two, I did on,

00:39:43.271 --> 00:39:44.813
I drew on Procreate.

00:39:44.833 --> 00:39:44.913
Okay.

00:39:44.932 --> 00:39:46.835
And now that,

00:39:46.855 --> 00:39:47.956
that was a good one actually.

00:39:48.155 --> 00:39:49.036
Yeah.

00:39:50.338 --> 00:39:51.699
Procreate allows you to do

00:39:51.739 --> 00:39:53.860
some stuff that Photoshop doesn't,

00:39:53.900 --> 00:39:55.581
but then Photoshop has a

00:39:55.601 --> 00:40:01.942
few tricks and stuff that

00:40:01.961 --> 00:40:04.882
you can do that I feel more

00:40:06.664 --> 00:40:07.684
comfortable with.

00:40:07.824 --> 00:40:09.284
And I think it adds

00:40:09.364 --> 00:40:11.885
versatility to my toolbox, right?

00:40:11.905 --> 00:40:12.545
Yeah, OK.

00:40:14.521 --> 00:40:15.101
It was one of those.

00:40:15.163 --> 00:40:16.443
I know everybody's a little different.

00:40:16.503 --> 00:40:17.403
I know some people who

00:40:17.563 --> 00:40:18.864
absolutely won't use any

00:40:18.925 --> 00:40:20.525
type of digital whatsoever.

00:40:20.686 --> 00:40:22.967
They just prefer their

00:40:23.027 --> 00:40:25.050
pencils and their inks and their,

00:40:25.429 --> 00:40:25.869
you know,

00:40:25.889 --> 00:40:27.871
color pencils and magic markers.

00:40:28.592 --> 00:40:29.092
Yeah.

00:40:29.432 --> 00:40:29.992
Yeah.

00:40:30.112 --> 00:40:31.514
I have huge respect for them

00:40:31.534 --> 00:40:32.534
because every time you're

00:40:32.574 --> 00:40:34.135
asked for a change or whatever,

00:40:34.797 --> 00:40:36.518
I often get to redo the whole page.

00:40:36.797 --> 00:40:37.278
Exactly.

00:40:37.398 --> 00:40:42.001
Or at least a huge part of a page.

00:40:42.101 --> 00:40:43.103
It means, you know,

00:40:44.454 --> 00:40:45.393
Yeah.

00:40:45.414 --> 00:40:46.574
Starting from scratch.

00:40:46.635 --> 00:40:49.755
And I, yeah, I tried that once, uh,

00:40:49.856 --> 00:40:50.697
it took forever.

00:40:51.856 --> 00:40:55.119
So yeah, I've been for a while now.

00:40:55.579 --> 00:40:56.298
Okay.

00:40:56.358 --> 00:40:57.940
So I know you're working on the delirium.

00:40:58.500 --> 00:40:59.541
Are you working on anything

00:40:59.621 --> 00:41:00.601
else in the background or

00:41:00.621 --> 00:41:02.342
are you just purely focused on.

00:41:03.202 --> 00:41:04.043
Well, yeah,

00:41:04.503 --> 00:41:09.304
I did finish a comic book page

00:41:09.505 --> 00:41:12.467
about a month ago or.

00:41:14.086 --> 00:41:16.427
uh a little before I started

00:41:16.507 --> 00:41:18.628
working on issue two okay

00:41:19.969 --> 00:41:21.909
it's a sort of historical

00:41:22.550 --> 00:41:27.992
fiction thing uh it's got

00:41:28.012 --> 00:41:30.132
the roosevelt family on it

00:41:31.353 --> 00:41:33.634
uh it's it's a really crazy

00:41:33.673 --> 00:41:35.715
project with a different writer

00:41:36.940 --> 00:41:38.340
totally different feel

00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.282
totally different aesthetic

00:41:41.322 --> 00:41:44.164
art style from I'm really

00:41:44.204 --> 00:41:46.304
excited about I think the

00:41:46.324 --> 00:41:47.585
writer is going to start

00:41:48.206 --> 00:41:49.726
shopping it to different

00:41:49.865 --> 00:41:51.606
publishers in the next few

00:41:51.646 --> 00:41:53.307
weeks so we'll see what

00:41:53.367 --> 00:41:56.389
comes from it but I'm

00:41:56.449 --> 00:41:57.469
really excited about that

00:41:57.590 --> 00:41:58.891
one it's got a completely

00:41:58.951 --> 00:42:02.231
different flavor more of

00:42:02.251 --> 00:42:03.773
the it's more of conspiracy

00:42:03.813 --> 00:42:05.253
thriller with fantasy

00:42:06.530 --> 00:42:07.670
So do you ever find, like,

00:42:07.911 --> 00:42:08.972
you accidentally, like,

00:42:09.052 --> 00:42:10.614
bleed in your art styles

00:42:10.653 --> 00:42:11.755
into one or the other?

00:42:13.376 --> 00:42:13.938
Oh.

00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:15.780
Like, oh, wait,

00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:17.981
that's for this other book over here, or,

00:42:18.461 --> 00:42:20.543
like, oh, damn, I, you know.

00:42:21.746 --> 00:42:22.505
Because I know you said it's

00:42:22.525 --> 00:42:23.547
two different art styles,

00:42:23.568 --> 00:42:25.789
but do you ever catch yourself, like, oh,

00:42:25.809 --> 00:42:27.752
shit, I kind of am using –

00:42:27.853 --> 00:42:29.394
No, not so far.

00:42:29.835 --> 00:42:31.335
It may happen eventually though,

00:42:31.914 --> 00:42:33.356
but not so far.

00:42:35.516 --> 00:42:37.476
I did some of the stuff that

00:42:37.577 --> 00:42:38.817
I learned with each other

00:42:38.876 --> 00:42:40.438
project I used for issue

00:42:40.478 --> 00:42:42.577
two of Vitalyrium, which came right after,

00:42:42.637 --> 00:42:42.898
right?

00:42:42.938 --> 00:42:46.179
So, so some of the stuff I learned there,

00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:47.179
for instance,

00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.900
for the dream sequence on

00:42:50.021 --> 00:42:51.280
issue two of Vitalyrium

00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.362
that came from what I learned

00:42:54.974 --> 00:42:58.056
through the test pages I

00:42:58.097 --> 00:43:01.599
made for the other content.

00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:02.099
Okay.

00:43:02.541 --> 00:43:05.063
That dream sequence was brutal, man.

00:43:05.724 --> 00:43:09.467
Like that was... I'm really

00:43:09.507 --> 00:43:11.088
happy with how it turned out too.

00:43:12.869 --> 00:43:14.231
Because it was a gamble.

00:43:15.072 --> 00:43:16.092
It was described in the

00:43:16.132 --> 00:43:17.735
script as something different,

00:43:18.614 --> 00:43:21.318
more like Gloria, just more traditionally

00:43:22.684 --> 00:43:24.266
dream sequence as you have

00:43:24.306 --> 00:43:26.706
seen on a movie I said no

00:43:27.047 --> 00:43:29.648
let's let's just let's just

00:43:29.708 --> 00:43:31.688
try something else let's

00:43:31.708 --> 00:43:33.088
make it clear that this is

00:43:33.228 --> 00:43:35.829
not reality but let's try a

00:43:35.849 --> 00:43:38.471
different style no y'all

00:43:38.530 --> 00:43:40.152
know that sequence man that was

00:43:41.327 --> 00:43:44.548
Like I said, that was a very brutal,

00:43:45.048 --> 00:43:45.929
brutal scene.

00:43:47.469 --> 00:43:48.789
It's like your worst nightmare.

00:43:48.949 --> 00:43:50.590
You know what I'm saying?

00:43:50.750 --> 00:43:51.869
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:51.889 --> 00:43:53.030
I'm not going to give nothing away,

00:43:53.070 --> 00:43:55.311
but damn.

00:43:57.652 --> 00:43:58.532
Was that your first time

00:43:58.572 --> 00:43:59.952
doing a scene like that?

00:44:00.012 --> 00:44:01.632
Because that was a very violent,

00:44:02.353 --> 00:44:05.733
very traumatic scene.

00:44:07.094 --> 00:44:08.773
I think, yeah.

00:44:09.014 --> 00:44:10.974
With that level of violence, yeah.

00:44:11.655 --> 00:44:12.735
I've always wanted to do

00:44:12.795 --> 00:44:14.797
something that was that horrifying.

00:44:16.356 --> 00:44:21.179
I come close to that in one short story,

00:44:21.378 --> 00:44:22.918
short comic I got to draw

00:44:23.518 --> 00:44:24.500
for a friend of mine,

00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.860
but this felt more like a

00:44:27.940 --> 00:44:29.780
gut punch than that one.

00:44:30.782 --> 00:44:31.563
I mean,

00:44:31.583 --> 00:44:33.264
that one dream is really kind of

00:44:33.324 --> 00:44:35.166
what put Roman where he is.

00:44:35.666 --> 00:44:37.387
Yeah, exactly.

00:44:37.467 --> 00:44:39.568
There's a sequence coming in

00:44:39.588 --> 00:44:41.329
the issue zero that I'm

00:44:41.748 --> 00:44:44.010
going to be working on in a

00:44:44.030 --> 00:44:47.952
few weeks that I'm really hyped about.

00:44:48.193 --> 00:44:49.213
And it's a different feel.

00:44:49.313 --> 00:44:50.514
It's not the same.

00:44:50.875 --> 00:44:51.894
It's not as brutal,

00:44:51.974 --> 00:44:54.697
but it's eerie and it's

00:44:54.737 --> 00:44:55.938
creepy and it's got that

00:44:55.998 --> 00:44:58.378
cosmic horror film feel to it.

00:44:59.146 --> 00:45:00.387
that I'm really,

00:45:00.427 --> 00:45:04.010
really hopeful that I can pull off.

00:45:04.711 --> 00:45:06.172
I want to do something great.

00:45:06.233 --> 00:45:07.153
I'm excited to see it.

00:45:07.233 --> 00:45:08.315
I knew y'all were going to

00:45:08.335 --> 00:45:10.016
do the first two stories

00:45:10.036 --> 00:45:10.657
and then you were going to

00:45:10.677 --> 00:45:12.139
give us a prequel.

00:45:13.340 --> 00:45:14.681
We're going to start shopping.

00:45:15.121 --> 00:45:15.202
Yeah.

00:45:15.222 --> 00:45:16.943
Between prequel and prequel.

00:45:18.405 --> 00:45:19.905
sort of sequel let's call it

00:45:20.306 --> 00:45:21.547
yeah back and forth back

00:45:21.567 --> 00:45:23.268
and forth uh it's going to

00:45:23.288 --> 00:45:24.527
be a challenge and I'm

00:45:24.588 --> 00:45:25.708
really excited because it's

00:45:25.728 --> 00:45:28.130
a different approach it is

00:45:29.210 --> 00:45:32.032
in both directions uh

00:45:32.052 --> 00:45:35.173
that's I know um speaking

00:45:35.213 --> 00:45:36.375
of that like it's really

00:45:36.414 --> 00:45:37.155
weird that we're talking

00:45:37.175 --> 00:45:39.536
about that because um ani

00:45:39.577 --> 00:45:41.358
press just released um

00:45:42.735 --> 00:45:46.244
the sixth gun last week yeah

00:45:46.264 --> 00:45:47.628
it was an issue zero

00:45:47.648 --> 00:45:49.092
because they the first one

00:45:49.132 --> 00:45:51.018
was done six fifteen years ago

00:45:52.304 --> 00:45:54.885
And then now they released the issue zero,

00:45:54.905 --> 00:45:56.025
which is three stories

00:45:56.085 --> 00:45:57.567
related to the first one,

00:45:58.106 --> 00:45:59.148
but it's also going to lead

00:45:59.168 --> 00:46:00.369
you into the new one that's

00:46:00.389 --> 00:46:01.588
coming this summer.

00:46:02.050 --> 00:46:02.510
Cause there,

00:46:02.610 --> 00:46:04.431
cause the new six gun is going

00:46:04.451 --> 00:46:06.351
to be reborn over the summer.

00:46:07.012 --> 00:46:08.273
And I love the artists that

00:46:08.293 --> 00:46:09.193
they got and that the

00:46:09.233 --> 00:46:11.255
writer is fantastic.

00:46:11.474 --> 00:46:13.135
I'm really excited about that one.

00:46:14.257 --> 00:46:14.777
And, um,

00:46:15.543 --> 00:46:18.364
but I always appreciate an

00:46:18.443 --> 00:46:21.985
issue zero or something like that.

00:46:22.025 --> 00:46:23.726
Cause there's some stories

00:46:23.786 --> 00:46:24.686
out there where you're like, damn,

00:46:24.746 --> 00:46:25.606
I kind of wish they would

00:46:25.646 --> 00:46:27.708
go back and give me like an issue zero.

00:46:27.748 --> 00:46:28.748
So I kind of,

00:46:29.489 --> 00:46:30.789
cause sometimes an issue one

00:46:30.829 --> 00:46:32.570
just picks up right into it

00:46:32.590 --> 00:46:33.670
and you're like,

00:46:34.369 --> 00:46:36.050
Well, I don't know what's going on.

00:46:36.150 --> 00:46:37.510
Like, how did we get to this point,

00:46:37.550 --> 00:46:37.871
though?

00:46:38.650 --> 00:46:39.532
Every now and then you'll

00:46:39.552 --> 00:46:40.931
get into a later issue and

00:46:40.972 --> 00:46:41.652
they'll give you a little

00:46:41.672 --> 00:46:42.952
bit of a backstory that led

00:46:42.972 --> 00:46:43.733
to that event.

00:46:44.434 --> 00:46:45.954
But I do appreciate it.

00:46:46.175 --> 00:46:47.014
Issue zero.

00:46:47.056 --> 00:46:48.695
And I know you have a whole story,

00:46:48.835 --> 00:46:49.536
you and Nick.

00:46:50.682 --> 00:46:52.523
of like prequel stories that

00:46:52.543 --> 00:46:53.563
we're gonna kind of like

00:46:54.143 --> 00:46:55.623
feed up into everything and

00:46:55.643 --> 00:46:57.824
then uh that to me is

00:46:57.864 --> 00:46:58.605
really cool that y'all are

00:46:58.644 --> 00:47:00.184
doing that it's it's risky

00:47:00.244 --> 00:47:02.164
it's different and I dude

00:47:03.126 --> 00:47:04.146
I'm I'm excited for that

00:47:04.166 --> 00:47:06.865
because it's different I'm

00:47:06.905 --> 00:47:08.047
really looking forward to

00:47:08.146 --> 00:47:12.106
seeing how how nick um

00:47:12.208 --> 00:47:14.088
handles it because it's it's

00:47:15.443 --> 00:47:17.364
it's challenging building up

00:47:17.545 --> 00:47:19.565
that because you you may

00:47:19.666 --> 00:47:23.067
end up spoiling stuff on

00:47:23.106 --> 00:47:25.807
the sequel issues that you

00:47:25.827 --> 00:47:27.349
want to set up first on the

00:47:27.409 --> 00:47:29.570
prequel issues it's it's

00:47:29.630 --> 00:47:30.809
challenging you could spoil

00:47:30.869 --> 00:47:32.791
it or you could build that

00:47:32.851 --> 00:47:34.891
up to be like one of those

00:47:35.052 --> 00:47:39.934
aha moments you know yeah like oh moment

00:47:40.628 --> 00:47:41.409
From a prequel,

00:47:41.528 --> 00:47:42.969
it happens three or four

00:47:43.030 --> 00:47:44.891
issues further down the road.

00:47:45.632 --> 00:47:47.431
Then you've done the job the right way,

00:47:47.452 --> 00:47:48.793
and you're like, oh, damn.

00:47:49.233 --> 00:47:52.094
That's sort of the idea.

00:47:52.534 --> 00:47:54.996
If he pulls that off the correct way,

00:47:55.036 --> 00:47:55.976
that's going to be

00:47:56.797 --> 00:47:57.938
phenomenal because you

00:47:57.978 --> 00:48:00.079
don't ever see stuff like that.

00:48:00.945 --> 00:48:05.367
yeah and yeah I'm looking

00:48:05.387 --> 00:48:06.648
forward to seeing how that

00:48:07.528 --> 00:48:09.190
turns out and it's exciting

00:48:09.230 --> 00:48:12.351
because it allows us to to

00:48:12.492 --> 00:48:14.474
try different things go

00:48:14.514 --> 00:48:15.914
into sort of slightly

00:48:15.954 --> 00:48:18.036
different genres within the

00:48:18.076 --> 00:48:20.458
same uh the same lore

00:48:21.456 --> 00:48:23.398
so yeah I said issue series

00:48:23.478 --> 00:48:25.161
more is raiders of the lost

00:48:25.460 --> 00:48:29.706
ark meets lovecraft meets a

00:48:29.746 --> 00:48:31.606
little bit of cyberpunk and

00:48:31.668 --> 00:48:33.929
it's uh and it's a far cry

00:48:33.969 --> 00:48:35.911
from issue one or issue two which are

00:48:36.672 --> 00:48:42.034
deeply rooted into the cyberpunk genre,

00:48:42.054 --> 00:48:42.155
right?

00:48:42.375 --> 00:48:45.255
That sort of thing going on there.

00:48:45.275 --> 00:48:48.317
No, I'm excited to see it come to life,

00:48:48.396 --> 00:48:49.677
man, and to read it.

00:48:50.197 --> 00:48:51.358
So it's going to be a good one.

00:48:52.637 --> 00:48:53.918
So let me ask you this.

00:48:54.298 --> 00:48:55.778
I know you said you did your

00:48:55.798 --> 00:48:58.000
very first book for free, basically,

00:48:58.039 --> 00:48:59.159
your very first artwork.

00:48:59.300 --> 00:49:00.199
You're living at home with

00:49:00.219 --> 00:49:01.860
your mom and dad,

00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:03.661
and you just did it to get

00:49:03.702 --> 00:49:04.822
yourself out there.

00:49:05.893 --> 00:49:06.974
what would you tell any

00:49:07.074 --> 00:49:08.956
other aspiring artist or

00:49:09.036 --> 00:49:10.416
writer or whatever who

00:49:10.456 --> 00:49:11.876
wants to work in comic book

00:49:11.936 --> 00:49:14.057
or illustration like what

00:49:14.197 --> 00:49:15.079
what kind of advice would

00:49:15.099 --> 00:49:17.079
you give to them I think

00:49:17.139 --> 00:49:19.400
it's well it's key to draw

00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:20.762
comic books it's key to

00:49:21.282 --> 00:49:22.501
read a lot of comic books

00:49:22.581 --> 00:49:25.143
and read them sort of

00:49:25.204 --> 00:49:26.324
paying attention to the

00:49:26.403 --> 00:49:27.644
artwork because you usually

00:49:27.724 --> 00:49:30.186
go from speech bubble to

00:49:30.206 --> 00:49:31.467
speech bubble and you don't

00:49:31.507 --> 00:49:32.867
pay much attention to it

00:49:33.367 --> 00:49:34.407
yeah so actually pay

00:49:34.427 --> 00:49:35.268
attention to how it's

00:49:35.969 --> 00:49:37.190
how the narration works.

00:49:37.831 --> 00:49:39.552
And definitely try to make

00:49:39.572 --> 00:49:41.474
your own comics or books or

00:49:41.733 --> 00:49:42.994
reach out to someone who

00:49:43.014 --> 00:49:45.157
wants to make a comic book and draw them,

00:49:45.637 --> 00:49:46.418
write for them.

00:49:46.538 --> 00:49:48.599
Even if it's for free,

00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.862
that works as well because

00:49:51.882 --> 00:49:53.543
you get to learn so much by

00:49:53.583 --> 00:49:54.463
drawing a comic book.

00:49:55.153 --> 00:49:55.753
Yeah.

00:49:55.813 --> 00:49:57.255
And if it's a good positive,

00:49:57.474 --> 00:50:00.896
like working relationship with the writer,

00:50:01.335 --> 00:50:02.496
and you're doing his art,

00:50:02.836 --> 00:50:03.876
he's going to give you that

00:50:03.936 --> 00:50:05.557
good feedback that you need

00:50:05.597 --> 00:50:08.699
to kind of like the refine, like, hey,

00:50:08.739 --> 00:50:09.958
in this one section here,

00:50:09.978 --> 00:50:11.280
I'm thinking more of this.

00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:12.320
And yeah,

00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:14.280
and hopefully these up and coming people

00:50:15.947 --> 00:50:18.447
who want to get into this line of work,

00:50:19.028 --> 00:50:19.849
they take that as a

00:50:19.929 --> 00:50:21.369
positive thing instead of

00:50:21.389 --> 00:50:24.471
just being very hard on, it's my artwork,

00:50:24.891 --> 00:50:27.713
how dare you?

00:50:28.193 --> 00:50:31.474
I think that thing is... You

00:50:31.514 --> 00:50:33.036
have to swallow your pride a little bit.

00:50:33.596 --> 00:50:36.478
You have to be humble about it.

00:50:37.297 --> 00:50:38.298
You have to be open to

00:50:38.338 --> 00:50:41.280
criticism whenever it's constructive.

00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:44.481
You may agree with it or not,

00:50:44.996 --> 00:50:47.018
Whichever you think is useful,

00:50:47.579 --> 00:50:48.179
you pick up.

00:50:48.219 --> 00:50:49.199
Whichever you don't,

00:50:49.860 --> 00:50:51.300
you don't get angry about it.

00:50:51.862 --> 00:50:54.804
If it comes from a place of

00:50:55.423 --> 00:50:58.867
being constructive, it's valid.

00:50:59.507 --> 00:51:02.289
If it's not, don't take it as an attack,

00:51:02.329 --> 00:51:02.628
right?

00:51:03.409 --> 00:51:06.931
And definitely getting to

00:51:06.972 --> 00:51:08.552
learn a bit about film

00:51:08.632 --> 00:51:10.755
language also helps.

00:51:12.215 --> 00:51:13.137
There's something about...

00:51:14.059 --> 00:51:16.782
film language, camera placement,

00:51:17.521 --> 00:51:21.226
film editing, that is also very,

00:51:21.266 --> 00:51:26.871
very helpful for comic book drawing.

00:51:26.891 --> 00:51:27.893
Yeah.

00:51:27.972 --> 00:51:29.333
And I will say right now, like,

00:51:29.353 --> 00:51:30.614
because y'all are taking a

00:51:30.735 --> 00:51:33.518
book and taking chapters

00:51:34.179 --> 00:51:36.021
and making it into a comic book,

00:51:36.061 --> 00:51:37.963
which is difficult in itself.

00:51:38.418 --> 00:51:38.958
Yeah.

00:51:38.998 --> 00:51:41.260
Because you have to be very selective.

00:51:41.300 --> 00:51:42.722
You only get so many pages.

00:51:42.822 --> 00:51:44.003
So many words can go on a

00:51:44.063 --> 00:51:46.063
page and a chapter from a

00:51:46.123 --> 00:51:49.606
book can be eight, ten, twelve pages,

00:51:49.646 --> 00:51:53.909
you know, in a in a well-rounded book.

00:51:53.969 --> 00:51:54.188
You know,

00:51:54.248 --> 00:51:55.690
I've seen some where the chapters

00:51:55.710 --> 00:51:57.492
were thirty, forty pages in your life.

00:51:58.632 --> 00:52:00.092
I'm not on the next chapter yet.

00:52:00.172 --> 00:52:01.034
Like, what's going on?

00:52:02.373 --> 00:52:02.994
even though like,

00:52:03.054 --> 00:52:04.534
but even within that chapter,

00:52:04.574 --> 00:52:05.554
you can kind of feel the

00:52:05.614 --> 00:52:06.976
tone and the energy shift.

00:52:07.016 --> 00:52:07.815
So you're kind of like,

00:52:08.876 --> 00:52:09.516
I kind of feel like I

00:52:09.536 --> 00:52:10.197
should have had a new

00:52:10.277 --> 00:52:11.518
chapter in there somewhere,

00:52:11.597 --> 00:52:13.998
but with comic book,

00:52:14.018 --> 00:52:15.940
you don't really get that

00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:17.860
too much unless you're

00:52:17.900 --> 00:52:19.380
doing what you are doing currently,

00:52:19.420 --> 00:52:20.402
which is taking apart a

00:52:20.501 --> 00:52:23.443
book and making it into a comic book.

00:52:23.483 --> 00:52:24.443
And I know there's a lot of

00:52:24.483 --> 00:52:26.724
limitations there in doing that.

00:52:26.744 --> 00:52:28.885
So I'm sure you and Nick are,

00:52:29.898 --> 00:52:32.159
Like, work together on that because,

00:52:32.659 --> 00:52:33.059
you know,

00:52:33.438 --> 00:52:35.840
he may want to put so much on one page,

00:52:35.900 --> 00:52:38.119
but you can't get that much on one page.

00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:39.199
Yeah, exactly.

00:52:41.681 --> 00:52:43.762
When he first reached out to me,

00:52:45.021 --> 00:52:46.001
he had no experience

00:52:46.021 --> 00:52:47.702
whatsoever writing comic books.

00:52:48.722 --> 00:52:51.244
And I told him, well,

00:52:51.284 --> 00:52:52.844
this is sort of what a

00:52:52.923 --> 00:52:56.224
comic book script page looks like.

00:52:57.250 --> 00:52:59.110
These are more or less the rules of it.

00:53:00.291 --> 00:53:02.911
He produced a first twenty

00:53:02.931 --> 00:53:07.054
page script and I went over it and said,

00:53:07.134 --> 00:53:09.934
okay, this you can do this.

00:53:09.974 --> 00:53:11.356
You can't have to split into

00:53:11.436 --> 00:53:15.556
more panels or more pages.

00:53:15.657 --> 00:53:16.577
It's been back and forth

00:53:16.597 --> 00:53:17.918
like that ever since.

00:53:18.539 --> 00:53:19.798
And he's gotten better and

00:53:19.818 --> 00:53:20.880
better and more efficient

00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:22.199
and more effective with

00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:24.061
each passing script.

00:53:24.983 --> 00:53:27.824
to the point where issue zero, it was like,

00:53:28.204 --> 00:53:32.025
I have no comments, no notes whatsoever.

00:53:32.284 --> 00:53:32.786
Yeah, good.

00:53:32.846 --> 00:53:33.326
That's awesome.

00:53:33.405 --> 00:53:36.945
They have art for references or lore stuff,

00:53:36.965 --> 00:53:41.047
but not the storytelling aspect of it.

00:53:41.086 --> 00:53:41.166
Yeah.

00:53:41.206 --> 00:53:43.128
That's really cool that it's

00:53:43.168 --> 00:53:45.507
kind of like a learn on the fly thing.

00:53:46.708 --> 00:53:50.289
And especially if you're out there like,

00:53:51.427 --> 00:53:53.489
you have this idea and then

00:53:53.548 --> 00:53:55.929
it's translating your idea to pages.

00:53:57.190 --> 00:53:59.871
Or if you wrote a story and it's like,

00:53:59.911 --> 00:54:00.030
well,

00:54:00.050 --> 00:54:04.012
I wanna make my story into a comic book.

00:54:04.032 --> 00:54:04.972
You gotta understand that

00:54:04.992 --> 00:54:06.474
you're gonna lose some of your story.

00:54:08.114 --> 00:54:09.514
That's just how it is.

00:54:10.054 --> 00:54:10.454
Yeah,

00:54:11.655 --> 00:54:16.418
I think he's been very understanding

00:54:16.518 --> 00:54:16.958
of that.

00:54:18.213 --> 00:54:19.456
And he's also been very

00:54:19.516 --> 00:54:21.217
welcoming of the stuff that

00:54:21.277 --> 00:54:23.940
sort of is introduced into

00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:28.065
the story by me or by Chandran,

00:54:28.085 --> 00:54:30.610
by all of us who have been a part of it,

00:54:31.731 --> 00:54:33.253
the visual aspect of it.

00:54:33.902 --> 00:54:37.262
because we end up introducing stuff,

00:54:37.782 --> 00:54:39.023
like I said, like the helmet.

00:54:40.983 --> 00:54:42.503
It wasn't defined on the book.

00:54:43.063 --> 00:54:44.103
The book doesn't go into

00:54:44.184 --> 00:54:45.724
huge detail about what the

00:54:45.804 --> 00:54:47.224
armor looks like or what

00:54:47.264 --> 00:54:48.925
the helmet looks like.

00:54:49.864 --> 00:54:51.286
And that was something that

00:54:51.306 --> 00:54:54.326
was introduced through the artwork,

00:54:54.365 --> 00:54:55.567
through the visual medium.

00:54:58.106 --> 00:55:00.568
So not being overly zealous

00:55:00.927 --> 00:55:02.367
or overly precious about

00:55:03.990 --> 00:55:05.271
the source material was

00:55:05.331 --> 00:55:07.092
something that was very...

00:55:09.934 --> 00:55:12.675
I was very happy that Nick

00:55:14.315 --> 00:55:17.677
had that approach to it, right?

00:55:17.697 --> 00:55:21.519
Yeah, I mean, it still feels like the book,

00:55:21.579 --> 00:55:21.940
though.

00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:23.221
You know, it doesn't... Like,

00:55:23.260 --> 00:55:24.400
when you open the comic book,

00:55:24.460 --> 00:55:25.882
you still feel the book.

00:55:26.342 --> 00:55:28.663
It's not like you're

00:55:28.682 --> 00:55:30.003
completely rewriting everything.

00:55:30.043 --> 00:55:31.905
The story is still there from the book.

00:55:34.201 --> 00:55:36.041
yeah yeah I I tried to as

00:55:36.163 --> 00:55:37.443
best as I could to sort of

00:55:37.463 --> 00:55:39.065
translate the feel and the

00:55:39.125 --> 00:55:42.766
vibe of the of the book I'm

00:55:42.827 --> 00:55:43.867
actually I haven't read the

00:55:43.907 --> 00:55:45.710
whole thing I started it

00:55:45.750 --> 00:55:46.911
and at some point it was

00:55:46.931 --> 00:55:48.231
like no you know what I

00:55:48.251 --> 00:55:49.773
want to I don't want to

00:55:49.813 --> 00:55:51.273
spoil it for myself I want

00:55:51.313 --> 00:55:55.856
to yeah to you know to to

00:55:56.157 --> 00:55:59.400
write the story along with the readers

00:56:00.686 --> 00:56:01.547
in some sense.

00:56:01.567 --> 00:56:03.288
Okay, a few months ahead of them,

00:56:03.347 --> 00:56:06.751
but sort of see what sticks, what doesn't,

00:56:07.851 --> 00:56:09.713
what's more impactful, what isn't.

00:56:11.295 --> 00:56:12.956
That's a smart approach to it.

00:56:14.016 --> 00:56:15.478
I mean, it's an approach.

00:56:15.577 --> 00:56:17.119
I may be shooting myself in

00:56:17.139 --> 00:56:21.822
the foot for the next few issues,

00:56:25.106 --> 00:56:27.527
but for these first few ones...

00:56:29.864 --> 00:56:33.164
I think it's felt more fresh.

00:56:33.445 --> 00:56:33.686
Yeah.

00:56:36.166 --> 00:56:36.586
And it's crazy,

00:56:36.606 --> 00:56:37.907
because the first few pages

00:56:37.947 --> 00:56:40.148
of the delirium of the actual novel,

00:56:41.949 --> 00:56:43.188
there's this prologue.

00:56:43.469 --> 00:56:45.010
And in and of itself,

00:56:45.050 --> 00:56:47.050
the story there could be a

00:56:47.130 --> 00:56:50.831
huge series of novels in and of itself.

00:56:51.211 --> 00:56:52.952
And it's just a prologue, right?

00:56:52.972 --> 00:56:53.032
Yep.

00:56:56.690 --> 00:56:58.311
So yeah, when I read that, I was like,

00:56:58.431 --> 00:56:58.791
I don't know.

00:56:58.911 --> 00:57:00.393
I don't want to know much more.

00:57:00.653 --> 00:57:04.737
I want to be surprised and

00:57:04.838 --> 00:57:08.481
let that excitement show in the artwork.

00:57:09.362 --> 00:57:09.981
No, I mean,

00:57:10.282 --> 00:57:11.182
everybody wants to take their

00:57:11.222 --> 00:57:11.623
own approach.

00:57:12.123 --> 00:57:12.545
Like I said,

00:57:12.585 --> 00:57:13.666
I'm still reading the book

00:57:13.686 --> 00:57:14.527
about a chapter,

00:57:15.027 --> 00:57:16.407
two chapters at a time when

00:57:16.467 --> 00:57:18.210
I can squeeze it in between things.

00:57:18.911 --> 00:57:20.092
So it's one of those where...

00:57:22.297 --> 00:57:25.659
I'll read the book, but I'll also,

00:57:26.380 --> 00:57:27.221
I like the comic book

00:57:27.240 --> 00:57:29.422
because I'm very much a visual person.

00:57:29.641 --> 00:57:31.784
Yeah, yeah.

00:57:31.804 --> 00:57:32.764
And I'm one of those guys,

00:57:32.804 --> 00:57:35.606
when I read a comic book, I read the page,

00:57:36.425 --> 00:57:37.706
and then I also look at the

00:57:37.927 --> 00:57:39.128
art of the page as well.

00:57:39.148 --> 00:57:39.427
Yeah.

00:57:40.648 --> 00:57:41.648
It's like I'm reading the

00:57:41.688 --> 00:57:43.389
same page multiple times

00:57:43.449 --> 00:57:46.351
because if you look at it long enough,

00:57:46.371 --> 00:57:47.132
you're going to notice

00:57:47.152 --> 00:57:49.014
something that you didn't see before.

00:57:49.744 --> 00:57:50.565
Right.

00:57:50.605 --> 00:57:52.827
You're going to notice a little detail or,

00:57:54.190 --> 00:57:55.231
you know,

00:57:55.291 --> 00:57:57.574
one of the people working on the book,

00:57:57.994 --> 00:57:59.135
they put a signature on

00:57:59.175 --> 00:58:00.378
this poster over here on

00:58:00.418 --> 00:58:01.478
the wall that you didn't

00:58:01.498 --> 00:58:03.561
really pay attention to, you know,

00:58:03.722 --> 00:58:05.545
Easter eggs and that kind of stuff.

00:58:07.027 --> 00:58:08.048
And I always think it's cool

00:58:08.068 --> 00:58:09.028
when you go back and look

00:58:09.068 --> 00:58:09.909
at a book that you

00:58:09.929 --> 00:58:12.170
particularly like and you

00:58:12.190 --> 00:58:13.873
start finding like little

00:58:13.932 --> 00:58:15.954
details within the page

00:58:16.353 --> 00:58:17.655
that you didn't see before.

00:58:17.695 --> 00:58:19.856
So I'm that guy who it takes

00:58:20.297 --> 00:58:21.998
five minutes to read a comic book,

00:58:22.018 --> 00:58:23.579
but I'm staring at this

00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:24.780
thing for thirty or forty

00:58:24.820 --> 00:58:26.780
five minutes because I'm

00:58:26.900 --> 00:58:29.123
literally looking at the art.

00:58:29.222 --> 00:58:30.844
I'm looking at, you know,

00:58:33.123 --> 00:58:34.262
How does the art and the

00:58:34.342 --> 00:58:36.784
lettering and all this stuff,

00:58:36.804 --> 00:58:38.324
how does it all look together?

00:58:38.423 --> 00:58:41.485
And how was it rushed?

00:58:41.985 --> 00:58:42.824
And you can kind of tell

00:58:42.864 --> 00:58:43.846
sometimes if they kind of

00:58:43.865 --> 00:58:44.865
rushed it a little bit.

00:58:45.806 --> 00:58:47.827
And were they on their, like,

00:58:47.867 --> 00:58:48.726
they were already late.

00:58:48.746 --> 00:58:49.947
They've already missed their deadline.

00:58:49.967 --> 00:58:51.327
They're just trying to wrap this up.

00:58:51.407 --> 00:58:52.887
And you can tell because the

00:58:52.927 --> 00:58:54.128
comic book in the beginning,

00:58:54.268 --> 00:58:56.208
it's like a masterpiece.

00:58:56.228 --> 00:58:57.628
But then as it kind of goes along,

00:58:57.648 --> 00:58:59.088
you're kind of like, man,

00:58:59.128 --> 00:59:00.710
it kind of got sloppy there at the end,

00:59:00.789 --> 00:59:01.210
didn't it?

00:59:02.121 --> 00:59:03.463
yeah yeah it's happened with

00:59:03.503 --> 00:59:05.545
me for with a few books um

00:59:06.204 --> 00:59:07.666
but the opposite has also

00:59:07.706 --> 00:59:09.688
happened like to this day I

00:59:09.728 --> 00:59:11.869
still every now and then I

00:59:11.889 --> 00:59:14.492
pick up like say watchman I

00:59:14.692 --> 00:59:16.034
go through it and keep

00:59:16.373 --> 00:59:18.135
finding easter eggs in it

00:59:18.155 --> 00:59:20.597
dude watchman is a that's a

00:59:20.757 --> 00:59:23.519
fantastic series example of

00:59:23.539 --> 00:59:25.481
how things are set up from

00:59:25.521 --> 00:59:27.222
the very beginning even in

00:59:27.242 --> 00:59:28.643
the artwork the face

00:59:29.003 --> 00:59:31.045
competition everything that's uh

00:59:32.362 --> 00:59:33.322
That's what I mean when I

00:59:33.342 --> 00:59:35.324
say if you are an aspiring artist,

00:59:35.344 --> 00:59:39.326
you have to read comics conscientiously,

00:59:39.686 --> 00:59:40.865
paying attention to it and

00:59:40.925 --> 00:59:42.367
paying attention to it,

00:59:42.387 --> 00:59:44.248
not just to the anatomy or

00:59:44.307 --> 00:59:46.088
the perspective or whatever,

00:59:46.367 --> 00:59:47.708
but to the page design,

00:59:47.929 --> 00:59:50.670
to the choices that are taken,

00:59:50.769 --> 00:59:52.851
where to have backgrounds, where not to,

00:59:52.971 --> 00:59:54.492
where, you know, that stuff.

00:59:55.072 --> 00:59:57.213
I always like to reference back to...

00:59:59.135 --> 01:00:00.956
older Hellblazer comic books,

01:00:01.657 --> 01:00:03.436
older Swamp Thing comic books,

01:00:03.496 --> 01:00:05.677
because they did such a

01:00:05.697 --> 01:00:10.239
good job in that era of details.

01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:13.438
Everything is there for a reason.

01:00:13.478 --> 01:00:15.480
And I think when I was

01:00:15.500 --> 01:00:17.179
talking to Dan Carruthers

01:00:17.219 --> 01:00:18.699
last week or the week prior,

01:00:20.001 --> 01:00:22.221
we were discussing how George Lucas,

01:00:22.260 --> 01:00:25.382
when he builds something,

01:00:26.456 --> 01:00:28.961
Nothing is there just because.

01:00:33.068 --> 01:00:34.108
Whether it's happening in

01:00:34.168 --> 01:00:35.949
the background or if it's

01:00:35.969 --> 01:00:37.431
happening right in front of your face,

01:00:37.472 --> 01:00:39.432
you probably are going to miss a detail.

01:00:39.913 --> 01:00:41.675
And that detail is going to circle back,

01:00:41.835 --> 01:00:42.875
whether it be in the same

01:00:42.976 --> 01:00:45.056
issue or the same movie.

01:00:45.617 --> 01:00:46.657
Or it could come back in

01:00:46.697 --> 01:00:47.938
like two or three issues

01:00:47.978 --> 01:00:50.061
and then maybe your eye will catch it.

01:00:50.501 --> 01:00:51.362
And then you're like, wait,

01:00:51.521 --> 01:00:53.362
I've seen that in issue one.

01:00:53.382 --> 01:00:54.284
And now you've got yourself

01:00:54.304 --> 01:00:56.465
going back to issue one and

01:00:56.485 --> 01:00:59.807
you're like paying more attention going –

01:00:59.514 --> 01:01:00.554
There it is right there.

01:01:00.614 --> 01:01:01.655
And then you're looking at

01:01:01.675 --> 01:01:03.994
issue four going, it's right there.

01:01:04.114 --> 01:01:05.856
This is going to have a this

01:01:05.896 --> 01:01:06.795
is going to play something

01:01:06.856 --> 01:01:08.275
later on down the road

01:01:08.675 --> 01:01:09.637
because it's not going to

01:01:09.657 --> 01:01:10.916
just show up for no reason.

01:01:11.016 --> 01:01:12.717
Everything is there for purpose.

01:01:12.978 --> 01:01:14.097
Yeah, exactly.

01:01:14.878 --> 01:01:16.619
And I think that that era of comic books,

01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:19.739
especially with DC Vertigo.

01:01:19.778 --> 01:01:19.960
Yeah,

01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.840
DC Vertigo was above and beyond much

01:01:22.860 --> 01:01:25.340
of what was being done back then.

01:01:25.967 --> 01:01:27.007
And I'm so glad that they

01:01:27.047 --> 01:01:28.068
brought Vertigo back.

01:01:28.128 --> 01:01:29.168
Vertigo is back.

01:01:29.530 --> 01:01:30.710
They're relaunching.

01:01:30.731 --> 01:01:33.072
I remember when they

01:01:33.112 --> 01:01:34.233
announced that they were

01:01:34.552 --> 01:01:38.916
closing Vertigo and they

01:01:38.976 --> 01:01:41.257
sort of stopped publishing Hellblazer.

01:01:41.297 --> 01:01:43.099
I think they reached... Yeah,

01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:45.300
they just... I was like, why?

01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:46.702
This is going well.

01:01:46.822 --> 01:01:49.565
This is a huge... It's above

01:01:49.585 --> 01:01:51.025
and beyond the quality of

01:01:51.126 --> 01:01:52.586
everything else on the market.

01:01:54.193 --> 01:01:56.740
It's very gritty and I like

01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:57.664
those type of comic books.

01:01:58.224 --> 01:02:00.351
They're gritty, they're down and dirty and

01:02:01.157 --> 01:02:04.878
Constantine and the Vertigo, Hellblazer,

01:02:04.980 --> 01:02:05.619
Swamp Thing.

01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:05.739
Yeah.

01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:09.201
You know, Justice League Dark.

01:02:09.221 --> 01:02:09.981
They've all,

01:02:10.461 --> 01:02:12.621
they have that grittiness to them.

01:02:12.641 --> 01:02:13.983
And I've always appreciated

01:02:14.063 --> 01:02:15.503
and liked that in comic books.

01:02:15.903 --> 01:02:17.043
That's why I'm such a big

01:02:17.103 --> 01:02:19.025
fan of like indie comic books.

01:02:19.244 --> 01:02:19.885
Yeah.

01:02:19.905 --> 01:02:21.206
Because they feel gritty and

01:02:21.226 --> 01:02:22.266
they feel dirty.

01:02:22.766 --> 01:02:23.907
They're not limited by

01:02:24.646 --> 01:02:26.367
trying to hit the four quadrants,

01:02:26.447 --> 01:02:27.447
as you will.

01:02:27.547 --> 01:02:28.068
You know,

01:02:28.088 --> 01:02:29.289
they're not going to please anyone.

01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:30.981
Everyone and your grandma

01:02:31.021 --> 01:02:31.842
with the stories.

01:02:31.942 --> 01:02:33.342
They want to tell a story.

01:02:34.003 --> 01:02:35.425
Some people like it, okay.

01:02:35.525 --> 01:02:36.286
Some people don't.

01:02:36.586 --> 01:02:37.288
That's okay, too.

01:02:37.827 --> 01:02:38.168
Yep.

01:02:38.728 --> 01:02:39.590
And that's what I like about

01:02:39.670 --> 01:02:41.092
Marvel now is they have the

01:02:41.132 --> 01:02:44.155
Red Band editions where they do that.

01:02:44.315 --> 01:02:46.237
It's more of a gritty story.

01:02:46.318 --> 01:02:46.677
It's more...

01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:49.782
Like, I know if that dude got stabbed,

01:02:49.822 --> 01:02:50.963
he's supposed to bleed.

01:02:51.605 --> 01:02:53.166
And in the Red Band, guess what?

01:02:53.206 --> 01:02:55.268
You're going to get the F-words.

01:02:56.170 --> 01:02:57.992
You're going to get the blood, the guts.

01:02:58.231 --> 01:02:59.614
If somebody's getting the

01:02:59.693 --> 01:03:00.695
shit beat out of them,

01:03:01.114 --> 01:03:01.795
it's going to look like

01:03:01.815 --> 01:03:03.318
they got the shit beat out of them.

01:03:03.657 --> 01:03:04.798
And that's also what I've

01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:06.501
always liked of the,

01:03:06.601 --> 01:03:09.824
especially the newer era of Image Comics.

01:03:10.648 --> 01:03:11.630
Yeah, I love the image.

01:03:12.110 --> 01:03:15.373
You can bring that vertical feel to it.

01:03:15.552 --> 01:03:18.335
To be bold, to be different,

01:03:18.376 --> 01:03:21.958
to do stuff that's sort of

01:03:22.099 --> 01:03:25.882
out of the genre stipulations.

01:03:26.202 --> 01:03:29.646
I've really enjoyed many of

01:03:29.666 --> 01:03:32.748
their books the past few years.

01:03:34.407 --> 01:03:39.489
I will always be a fan of Image.

01:03:41.130 --> 01:03:41.829
There's been a couple of

01:03:41.909 --> 01:03:43.590
other publishers I've

01:03:43.650 --> 01:03:46.371
really noticed over the last maybe year,

01:03:46.951 --> 01:03:48.231
like Ani Press.

01:03:48.672 --> 01:03:49.112
Oh, yeah.

01:03:49.811 --> 01:03:50.771
I love their work.

01:03:50.791 --> 01:03:51.952
They do some of the best

01:03:52.052 --> 01:03:53.552
horror comic books out there.

01:03:53.632 --> 01:03:54.853
Yeah, yeah.

01:03:54.992 --> 01:03:56.452
I've read some of them.

01:03:56.572 --> 01:03:58.233
I think I read something he

01:03:58.233 --> 01:04:01.235
– Warren Ellis wrote Super

01:04:01.295 --> 01:04:01.954
Gods or something like that.

01:04:02.054 --> 01:04:02.855
Okay.

01:04:03.487 --> 01:04:06.268
only press and was cosmic

01:04:06.289 --> 01:04:08.630
horror done well they are

01:04:08.771 --> 01:04:10.373
very good at what they do

01:04:10.773 --> 01:04:15.096
and um I I follow their uh

01:04:15.115 --> 01:04:18.418
their one of their editors

01:04:18.739 --> 01:04:21.300
is on blue sky and the guy

01:04:21.340 --> 01:04:22.782
who runs the show is on

01:04:22.822 --> 01:04:26.005
blue sky and um if you

01:04:26.065 --> 01:04:27.126
shout them out they're like

01:04:27.166 --> 01:04:28.827
hey man we appreciate you

01:04:29.367 --> 01:04:30.449
you know liking our what

01:04:30.489 --> 01:04:31.530
you know the stuff and

01:04:32.528 --> 01:04:34.210
And they do a lot of fun stuff too,

01:04:34.230 --> 01:04:34.931
don't get me wrong.

01:04:34.971 --> 01:04:35.650
They have some very

01:04:35.690 --> 01:04:37.012
cartoonish books as well,

01:04:37.072 --> 01:04:39.273
but they do horror right.

01:04:39.835 --> 01:04:41.135
And I will always appreciate

01:04:41.175 --> 01:04:42.317
a good horror comic book.

01:04:43.918 --> 01:04:46.559
Epitaphs from the Abyss is

01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:49.641
such a fantastic series.

01:04:50.882 --> 01:04:53.025
Every issue is like three stories,

01:04:53.865 --> 01:04:56.347
and they have different writers.

01:04:57.268 --> 01:04:59.208
different artists all collab

01:04:59.248 --> 01:05:00.148
on these projects,

01:05:00.188 --> 01:05:02.309
and it's such a fantastic series.

01:05:02.610 --> 01:05:03.251
Yeah.

01:05:04.271 --> 01:05:05.851
I have that one on my list,

01:05:06.092 --> 01:05:09.652
because just the covers alone are... Yeah,

01:05:09.713 --> 01:05:11.134
they always, like,

01:05:11.153 --> 01:05:13.635
they have that old-school feel to them,

01:05:13.675 --> 01:05:14.054
you know?

01:05:15.034 --> 01:05:16.175
Like a Creepshow.

01:05:16.755 --> 01:05:18.097
Yes, yes.

01:05:18.876 --> 01:05:20.318
Like, and I love Creepshow.

01:05:20.338 --> 01:05:21.257
Creepshow is one of my

01:05:21.398 --> 01:05:23.119
favorite comic books of all time,

01:05:23.918 --> 01:05:26.039
and I will always, like,

01:05:27.324 --> 01:05:28.603
They do one-shots here and there.

01:05:29.664 --> 01:05:30.864
They just wrapped up a full

01:05:30.925 --> 01:05:32.804
run of Creepshow not that long ago.

01:05:33.885 --> 01:05:37.266
And I will always appreciate a good,

01:05:37.385 --> 01:05:40.387
gritty horror book.

01:05:40.407 --> 01:05:42.947
And like I said, Ani Press, I think,

01:05:42.987 --> 01:05:43.766
is probably one of the

01:05:43.867 --> 01:05:45.708
better ones out there doing it right now.

01:05:46.188 --> 01:05:46.487
Yeah,

01:05:46.788 --> 01:05:48.648
and there was this book that I think

01:05:48.688 --> 01:05:53.969
is still coming out where

01:05:54.030 --> 01:05:55.750
Garth Ennis wrote

01:05:56.318 --> 01:06:01.322
short story that was an episode per issue.

01:06:01.422 --> 01:06:02.864
It was also an anthology book.

01:06:02.884 --> 01:06:06.987
I love a good anthology.

01:06:07.708 --> 01:06:09.949
Boom Studios has Hello Darkness,

01:06:09.989 --> 01:06:13.713
which is based off of Arnold's eye.

01:06:14.393 --> 01:06:14.554
Yeah.

01:06:14.574 --> 01:06:14.893
Love that one.

01:06:14.914 --> 01:06:16.175
The new issue is out tomorrow.

01:06:16.775 --> 01:06:17.775
New issue tomorrow.

01:06:18.077 --> 01:06:19.137
I'll be checking it out.

01:06:20.137 --> 01:06:21.338
Hello, Darkness, dude.

01:06:22.378 --> 01:06:25.019
Again, it was originally done by R.L.

01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:26.820
Stine, but he invites other writers,

01:06:26.860 --> 01:06:27.800
and there's all different

01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:29.382
artists that collaborate on it.

01:06:30.302 --> 01:06:31.722
The current ones that are

01:06:31.762 --> 01:06:33.364
going on right now, like the covers,

01:06:34.143 --> 01:06:35.644
he has covers by Jenny Frism,

01:06:35.664 --> 01:06:37.425
who I absolutely love her work.

01:06:39.867 --> 01:06:43.489
The way she does colors, and it's like

01:06:44.530 --> 01:06:45.532
They are so soft.

01:06:46.072 --> 01:06:46.972
They're very soft.

01:06:47.052 --> 01:06:47.434
And, like,

01:06:47.554 --> 01:06:49.956
a feminine face is very feminine

01:06:49.976 --> 01:06:50.396
with her.

01:06:50.456 --> 01:06:50.737
Yeah.

01:06:51.297 --> 01:06:54.519
Like, dude, she's phenomenal.

01:06:54.561 --> 01:06:55.722
And she also, like,

01:06:55.742 --> 01:06:56.762
all her covers she's done

01:06:56.782 --> 01:06:58.264
for something is killing the children.

01:06:59.025 --> 01:06:59.425
Yeah.

01:07:00.326 --> 01:07:02.568
Phenomenal, phenomenal stuff.

01:07:02.927 --> 01:07:05.931
Pinion makes some really great horror.

01:07:05.951 --> 01:07:06.952
Dude.

01:07:06.972 --> 01:07:08.914
They are very character-driven.

01:07:08.974 --> 01:07:09.835
That's what I love about them.

01:07:10.688 --> 01:07:12.090
and the fact that he he just

01:07:12.130 --> 01:07:13.889
started tiny onion his own

01:07:14.329 --> 01:07:16.891
company is that much better

01:07:17.411 --> 01:07:19.612
yeah and I've always like

01:07:19.771 --> 01:07:21.092
ever since I learned who he

01:07:21.152 --> 01:07:22.032
was with something that's

01:07:22.052 --> 01:07:23.012
killing the children and

01:07:23.052 --> 01:07:24.454
house of slaughter I've

01:07:24.494 --> 01:07:25.434
gone back and bought some

01:07:25.454 --> 01:07:26.514
of his other boats his

01:07:26.614 --> 01:07:29.036
older stuff as well and uh

01:07:29.056 --> 01:07:30.516
he's so talented he's got

01:07:30.635 --> 01:07:32.056
so much going on world tree

01:07:32.077 --> 01:07:32.777
is really good

01:07:33.853 --> 01:07:35.293
Department of Truth is one

01:07:35.313 --> 01:07:35.713
of my favorites.

01:07:35.733 --> 01:07:36.315
Department of Truth.

01:07:36.434 --> 01:07:36.675
Oh, dude.

01:07:36.695 --> 01:07:40.054
I got it signed.

01:07:40.155 --> 01:07:41.536
I got it signed Department of Truth.

01:07:41.556 --> 01:07:44.576
I'm very much a fan of Jonathan Hickman.

01:07:45.396 --> 01:07:45.677
Yes.

01:07:45.876 --> 01:07:48.177
And I was sort of, you know,

01:07:48.617 --> 01:07:50.757
do you remember the Black Monday Murders?

01:07:50.777 --> 01:07:50.918
Yeah.

01:07:50.938 --> 01:07:51.838
That one sort of,

01:07:51.858 --> 01:07:54.079
that book sort of stopped the,

01:07:54.099 --> 01:07:55.639
I think the artist had

01:07:56.494 --> 01:07:57.353
health issues and they

01:07:57.393 --> 01:07:59.114
couldn't keep making it.

01:07:59.795 --> 01:08:00.456
Mark Spears.

01:08:01.436 --> 01:08:01.735
Oof.

01:08:02.235 --> 01:08:02.956
Phenomenal.

01:08:03.097 --> 01:08:04.436
That's an ESM homage.

01:08:05.998 --> 01:08:07.918
Mark Spears.

01:08:07.958 --> 01:08:08.759
Here's the one I was looking

01:08:08.778 --> 01:08:09.518
for right here, though.

01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.320
Michael W. Conrad, Plague House.

01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:16.680
Big house.

01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:17.699
He also does Arnie Press.

01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:19.480
He works with Arnie Press

01:08:19.541 --> 01:08:21.862
and does Epitaphs from the

01:08:21.902 --> 01:08:23.182
Abyss and stuff like that.

01:08:23.203 --> 01:08:24.703
Oh, okay.

01:08:24.743 --> 01:08:26.125
So he's part of the team of

01:08:26.204 --> 01:08:28.086
Epitaphs of the Abyss.

01:08:28.225 --> 01:08:28.506
Yeah.

01:08:29.365 --> 01:08:30.487
And I think Boom is doing a

01:08:30.546 --> 01:08:32.028
fantastic job right now too

01:08:32.047 --> 01:08:33.408
with their horror lineup.

01:08:35.349 --> 01:08:38.671
And I really like Keen Spot a lot.

01:08:38.791 --> 01:08:40.231
Mad Cave is really good.

01:08:40.292 --> 01:08:42.432
Mad Cave does Pop Kill.

01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:45.819
Yeah, I haven't read it.

01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:47.100
With a Jimmy Palmiotti,

01:08:48.082 --> 01:08:49.563
who's another fantastic writer.

01:08:50.042 --> 01:08:52.765
Yeah, a legend.

01:08:52.784 --> 01:08:54.826
Oh, dude, and super nice guy as well.

01:08:58.828 --> 01:09:00.630
So one of the characters

01:09:00.649 --> 01:09:02.412
from Epitaphs of the Abyss

01:09:02.471 --> 01:09:03.731
is doing their – they

01:09:03.813 --> 01:09:05.193
basically spun her out of it,

01:09:05.233 --> 01:09:06.014
and she's getting her own

01:09:06.073 --> 01:09:10.347
series by Corrine Becchio or Corrine –

01:09:09.929 --> 01:09:11.550
Beko I can't I'm not sure

01:09:11.569 --> 01:09:12.449
how to pronounce her last

01:09:12.510 --> 01:09:14.912
name but she wrote a short

01:09:14.952 --> 01:09:16.131
story about a vampire in

01:09:16.152 --> 01:09:20.774
there and um it's now doing

01:09:20.814 --> 01:09:21.854
its own thing and it comes

01:09:21.895 --> 01:09:23.055
out tomorrow as well and

01:09:23.076 --> 01:09:24.337
it's going to be really

01:09:24.377 --> 01:09:26.717
really dope the real Randy

01:09:26.738 --> 01:09:28.179
Chavez great show with Dan

01:09:28.198 --> 01:09:29.559
Carruthers hey thank you he

01:09:29.578 --> 01:09:30.659
was such a pleasure to have

01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:34.301
on and his New Zealand accent was just

01:09:36.295 --> 01:09:37.935
love those accents I mean I

01:09:37.956 --> 01:09:39.457
know I'm I'm southern but

01:09:39.637 --> 01:09:40.618
you can't tell as much

01:09:40.679 --> 01:09:42.600
anymore but he was such a

01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:49.246
fun guy to have on and um

01:09:49.265 --> 01:09:50.567
but no horror comics and

01:09:50.726 --> 01:09:53.328
sci-fi like darker sci-fi I

01:09:53.349 --> 01:09:55.250
will always like that's why

01:09:55.270 --> 01:09:56.832
I've loved image and boom

01:09:56.872 --> 01:10:01.654
studios the keen spot um

01:10:01.836 --> 01:10:03.617
horror is something I want to

01:10:05.282 --> 01:10:06.402
to actually draw.

01:10:06.521 --> 01:10:09.802
I haven't had the chance to properly make,

01:10:10.622 --> 01:10:10.882
you know,

01:10:10.903 --> 01:10:12.243
collaborate with something on

01:10:12.302 --> 01:10:14.184
that in that genre.

01:10:15.064 --> 01:10:18.184
So I have something I'm working on.

01:10:18.203 --> 01:10:20.045
I have to actually sit down

01:10:20.104 --> 01:10:21.244
and write the whole thing.

01:10:21.645 --> 01:10:24.045
It's deeply rooted into the

01:10:24.085 --> 01:10:25.765
anthology horror series.

01:10:26.265 --> 01:10:27.365
Whenever I get to make it,

01:10:27.626 --> 01:10:28.525
you will be the first to

01:10:28.565 --> 01:10:29.966
know because I think we are

01:10:29.985 --> 01:10:31.725
sort of in that sense.

01:10:31.867 --> 01:10:32.726
Come back on, man,

01:10:32.787 --> 01:10:34.386
and we'll talk about it.

01:10:35.573 --> 01:10:37.212
Um, there's a book out, I think it's on,

01:10:39.173 --> 01:10:40.213
I can't remember if it's on

01:10:40.293 --> 01:10:42.654
boom studios or dynamite or dark horse.

01:10:42.675 --> 01:10:43.675
It might be dark horse,

01:10:43.694 --> 01:10:44.555
but it's called Los

01:10:44.595 --> 01:10:47.216
Mastrinos and it's takes

01:10:47.256 --> 01:10:49.315
place in like the nineteen fifties.

01:10:51.197 --> 01:10:52.617
And, um,

01:10:52.636 --> 01:10:54.097
it's about a werewolf private

01:10:54.137 --> 01:10:55.978
investigator and Los

01:10:56.037 --> 01:10:58.238
Mastrinos is kind of like Los Angeles,

01:10:58.798 --> 01:11:00.019
but it's for monsters.

01:11:01.943 --> 01:11:03.564
It's like all your classic

01:11:03.623 --> 01:11:05.104
movie monsters make up this

01:11:05.225 --> 01:11:09.667
city and it was just such a good read.

01:11:11.710 --> 01:11:14.572
The whole concept was amazing.

01:11:14.851 --> 01:11:15.853
A werewolf private

01:11:15.872 --> 01:11:17.354
investigator investigating

01:11:17.373 --> 01:11:18.454
the disappearance of a

01:11:18.534 --> 01:11:21.877
vampire princess or a vampire heiress.

01:11:21.896 --> 01:11:25.019
I was like, dude, I love this concept.

01:11:25.418 --> 01:11:27.341
It is such a dope concept.

01:11:28.381 --> 01:11:30.222
Noir and classic horror...

01:11:30.975 --> 01:11:35.777
classic horror monsters nice

01:11:35.856 --> 01:11:38.677
yeah anything like it's in

01:11:38.738 --> 01:11:41.378
a certain yeah gun honey if

01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:43.179
you like crying nor that's

01:11:43.198 --> 01:11:44.298
like kind of gritty and

01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.560
kind of like fits that pulp

01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.640
feel oh gun honey is really good

01:11:51.390 --> 01:11:53.792
I'm writing all this down

01:11:53.811 --> 01:11:57.134
because I got to know about

01:11:57.234 --> 01:11:58.494
so many comic books I

01:11:58.515 --> 01:12:01.497
wasn't aware of through your podcast.

01:12:01.537 --> 01:12:03.018
No, I appreciate that.

01:12:04.618 --> 01:12:06.539
To me, that's what I do.

01:12:07.819 --> 01:12:08.900
I'm not just presenting.

01:12:09.780 --> 01:12:11.882
I actually read these comic books.

01:12:12.722 --> 01:12:13.524
Yeah.

01:12:13.564 --> 01:12:13.783
Like,

01:12:14.925 --> 01:12:16.485
there's always a box underneath my

01:12:16.546 --> 01:12:18.387
desk of what I'm currently reading.

01:12:18.948 --> 01:12:19.668
And once they're read,

01:12:19.689 --> 01:12:21.390
they kind of go to their other bots.

01:12:22.011 --> 01:12:23.252
But and I could be like a

01:12:23.311 --> 01:12:25.113
week behind sometimes I'll get like,

01:12:25.814 --> 01:12:26.635
especially if it's like a

01:12:26.755 --> 01:12:28.676
thicker comic book, like, yeah,

01:12:28.695 --> 01:12:29.737
eight pages.

01:12:30.016 --> 01:12:30.717
It's like, okay.

01:12:31.177 --> 01:12:32.158
And especially like I said,

01:12:32.179 --> 01:12:34.341
with the way I read, yeah,

01:12:34.360 --> 01:12:37.363
difficult sometimes.

01:12:37.423 --> 01:12:37.644
So

01:12:39.649 --> 01:12:42.871
But no, it's like I told Nick, I'm like,

01:12:42.951 --> 01:12:43.091
hey,

01:12:43.131 --> 01:12:44.532
if you ever need a suggestion on

01:12:44.572 --> 01:12:46.431
something, just hit me up.

01:12:46.771 --> 01:12:47.212
I'm like,

01:12:48.412 --> 01:12:50.354
I'm just literally a message away.

01:12:50.493 --> 01:12:51.154
There's nobody else

01:12:51.213 --> 01:12:53.095
answering my messages but me, so.

01:12:53.114 --> 01:12:53.274
Awesome.

01:12:56.015 --> 01:12:59.377
Yeah, I definitely will.

01:12:59.396 --> 01:13:00.136
Let's wrap it up, man.

01:13:00.197 --> 01:13:01.157
I don't want to eat up too

01:13:01.176 --> 01:13:01.877
much of your time.

01:13:01.957 --> 01:13:05.399
Tell everybody where they can find you.

01:13:06.979 --> 01:13:09.319
Well, you can find me on Instagram as

01:13:10.622 --> 01:13:14.545
F-A-H underscore draws, like drawing.

01:13:16.685 --> 01:13:19.346
I'm setting up a personal website,

01:13:19.627 --> 01:13:23.109
but that's slow progress between working.

01:13:23.548 --> 01:13:24.489
And you can find me pretty

01:13:24.529 --> 01:13:25.449
much everywhere as

01:13:25.489 --> 01:13:28.051
Francisco Nilo with an H at

01:13:28.072 --> 01:13:30.091
the beginning of the last name.

01:13:31.893 --> 01:13:33.833
It's a strange enough last

01:13:33.873 --> 01:13:35.295
name that I'm easy to find.

01:13:38.007 --> 01:13:39.128
yeah and you actually found

01:13:39.208 --> 01:13:40.550
me like when I first

01:13:40.590 --> 01:13:41.430
announced I was going to be

01:13:41.489 --> 01:13:43.030
doing uh the interview with

01:13:43.171 --> 01:13:44.850
nick and we just kind of

01:13:44.911 --> 01:13:47.813
like started talking back

01:13:47.853 --> 01:13:50.293
and forth and getting to

01:13:50.314 --> 01:13:51.453
have you on the show that

01:13:51.474 --> 01:13:52.774
means a lot to me because I

01:13:52.795 --> 01:13:53.895
get to you know talk to

01:13:53.935 --> 01:13:55.115
both you and nick and I

01:13:55.136 --> 01:13:56.917
still talk to nick like he

01:13:56.957 --> 01:13:58.658
wasn't just a passing like

01:13:58.698 --> 01:13:59.637
oh I interviewed him it's

01:13:59.698 --> 01:14:02.259
done no I mean we every now

01:14:02.298 --> 01:14:03.078
and then he's shooting my

01:14:03.118 --> 01:14:05.980
message you know and it's it's really

01:14:07.603 --> 01:14:09.345
I enjoy keeping contact with everybody.

01:14:09.386 --> 01:14:11.108
I still talk to Bruno here and there.

01:14:11.188 --> 01:14:12.109
I know he's got a new

01:14:12.149 --> 01:14:13.011
Kickstarter coming up,

01:14:13.030 --> 01:14:13.712
so hopefully he'll come

01:14:13.731 --> 01:14:15.333
back on the show and we'll

01:14:15.354 --> 01:14:17.095
talk about his new Kickstarter as well.

01:14:18.225 --> 01:14:19.266
And hopefully, dude,

01:14:19.346 --> 01:14:20.967
you're welcome back anytime, man.

01:14:21.528 --> 01:14:23.168
I would be really, really happy to.

01:14:23.189 --> 01:14:25.770
It's been a pleasure, this whole talk.

01:14:27.091 --> 01:14:28.532
I arrived like, fifteen,

01:14:28.572 --> 01:14:29.533
twenty minutes earlier.

01:14:29.573 --> 01:14:30.012
Yeah,

01:14:30.033 --> 01:14:31.413
we had a whole conversation before we

01:14:31.434 --> 01:14:33.654
even started.

01:14:33.774 --> 01:14:34.895
So it was a fun time.

01:14:34.956 --> 01:14:36.377
And you were like, like I told you, man,

01:14:36.396 --> 01:14:38.238
you're the first person to show up early.

01:14:38.257 --> 01:14:39.479
I thought it was really cool.

01:14:44.029 --> 01:14:45.670
We were right on the same wavelength too.

01:14:45.750 --> 01:14:46.890
I was sending you the link

01:14:46.930 --> 01:14:47.930
and you were asking for the

01:14:47.970 --> 01:14:49.752
link at that almost the same time.

01:14:50.412 --> 01:14:51.833
I was like, Oh, you're looking for this.

01:14:51.953 --> 01:14:53.694
And like, you're like, Oh yeah,

01:14:53.715 --> 01:14:54.456
that's what I was looking for.

01:14:54.555 --> 01:14:56.356
Cause most people are

01:14:56.396 --> 01:14:57.797
expecting it to be in the invite.

01:14:57.837 --> 01:14:59.559
I send them, but I do it the same day.

01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.221
It generates a link to the thing.

01:15:03.242 --> 01:15:04.403
And it's just easier that way.

01:15:04.462 --> 01:15:06.423
I normally send it about about, you know,

01:15:11.724 --> 01:15:13.385
So before I let you go, though,

01:15:14.386 --> 01:15:15.426
tell everybody what you're

01:15:15.447 --> 01:15:16.327
watching right now.

01:15:16.426 --> 01:15:18.448
Are you watching any specific TV show,

01:15:18.609 --> 01:15:20.689
or are you reading

01:15:20.751 --> 01:15:21.930
something in particular?

01:15:23.292 --> 01:15:23.372
Well,

01:15:23.391 --> 01:15:25.514
I'm reading a lot of comic books and

01:15:25.833 --> 01:15:27.916
keeping up with a lot of comic books.

01:15:27.975 --> 01:15:28.456
Right now,

01:15:28.796 --> 01:15:33.439
I'm reading an old book named Lord,

01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:37.863
drawn by Ashley Wood, a fantastic artist.

01:15:39.162 --> 01:15:40.682
And, uh,

01:15:40.983 --> 01:15:44.743
I'm watching love death and robots, uh,

01:15:44.823 --> 01:15:45.685
every now and then,

01:15:46.364 --> 01:15:50.546
whenever I make breaks from drawing, uh,

01:15:50.645 --> 01:15:51.265
with my girlfriend,

01:15:51.326 --> 01:15:52.725
I'm watching you because.

01:15:53.865 --> 01:15:56.606
Hey, that's actually really good.

01:15:56.646 --> 01:15:57.067
Yeah.

01:15:58.627 --> 01:16:00.247
My daughter really likes that one too.

01:16:00.307 --> 01:16:03.569
She's she's watching that one.

01:16:03.668 --> 01:16:03.948
All right.

01:16:03.969 --> 01:16:04.288
All right.

01:16:06.470 --> 01:16:07.971
Nah, that's actually good.

01:16:08.171 --> 01:16:09.311
So we'll close it out right there,

01:16:09.351 --> 01:16:10.132
everybody.

01:16:10.172 --> 01:16:11.774
Thanks, everybody, for tuning in.

01:16:11.833 --> 01:16:12.274
Fran,

01:16:12.854 --> 01:16:14.114
I can't thank you enough for coming

01:16:14.154 --> 01:16:15.095
on the show and talking

01:16:15.135 --> 01:16:16.756
about not just vitilirium,

01:16:16.836 --> 01:16:17.997
but also everything that

01:16:18.016 --> 01:16:19.377
you have going on in your life.

01:16:20.158 --> 01:16:22.099
With that, everybody, Fran,

01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:23.539
welcome to the Council of Nerds,

01:16:23.579 --> 01:16:24.100
my friend.

01:16:25.020 --> 01:16:26.501
Everybody else, thanks for tuning in.

01:16:26.940 --> 01:16:28.141
We'll see you on the next one.