1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,780 Josh: Openai has got a browser just like chrome just like safari just like complexity 2 00:00:08,580 --> 00:00:11,360 Josh: openai now officially has a web browser that you 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,120 Josh: can use today the download is available ejaz and i we have been playing around 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,960 Josh: with it for the last hour or two it just got announced and we have a lot of 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:23,280 Josh: thoughts and takes on this browser what it means for ai if it actually is valuable 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,380 Josh: and what it means for the grand plan of openai this very much feels like a stepping 7 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:30,280 Josh: stone in their attempt to gather more information, 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,500 Josh: get more familiar with your habits, and then eventually roll out an operating 9 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:38,700 Josh: system for you, for your human entire, your entire human experience. 10 00:00:38,740 --> 00:00:40,400 Josh: So this is a really exciting announcement. 11 00:00:40,580 --> 00:00:42,640 Josh: It's cool to see OpenAI jump into the browser game. 12 00:00:43,100 --> 00:00:45,620 Josh: Ejaz, I know you were all over the live stream too. We just finished watching 13 00:00:45,620 --> 00:00:49,640 Josh: it. What were the first impressions? Walk us through exactly what they even announced today. 14 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:58,160 Ejaaz: So OpenAI's new browser is called Atlas, and it's as if Google Chrome and ChatGPT had a baby. 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:03,000 Ejaaz: And I mean it because ChatGPT is at the center of this entire new browser. 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,820 Ejaaz: It kind of looks like a browser. 17 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,080 Ejaaz: You have familiar things like tabs, history. 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,940 Ejaaz: You have a cursor that you can scroll. You can type in URLs. 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,100 Ejaaz: But with some noticeable new features, Josh, you get browser memory. 20 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:19,020 Ejaaz: So this is something that I'm super excited about. 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,840 Ejaaz: In ChatGPT, something that makes it super special is that ChatGPT remembers 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,220 Ejaaz: everything about me and it results in a really personalized AI experience. 23 00:01:26,460 --> 00:01:29,980 Ejaaz: That now comes over to your browsing experience in this new browser. 24 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,360 Ejaaz: It remembers everything. You can search for new specific things. 25 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,900 Ejaaz: If you're like, hey, I read something in a blog post the other week, 26 00:01:36,980 --> 00:01:39,280 Ejaaz: but I can't remember, you can kind of like now search for it. 27 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,340 Ejaaz: And this other really cool feature called Agent Mode, which is currently only 28 00:01:44,340 --> 00:01:46,220 Ejaaz: available to Pro and Plus users. 29 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,980 Ejaaz: But on this browser, you can now engage in OpenAI's agent to do things for you. 30 00:01:51,980 --> 00:01:55,780 Ejaaz: And if this sounds like something that's kind of familiar, it's because other 31 00:01:55,780 --> 00:01:58,880 Ejaaz: AI browsers have also pitched this kind of similar feature. 32 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,720 Ejaaz: But I think it's quite unique in OpenAI sense because it gives you the ability 33 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,700 Ejaaz: to kind of do other stuff and you can watch it do things for you. 34 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,460 Ejaaz: It can book restaurants for you. 35 00:02:08,580 --> 00:02:11,320 Ejaaz: It can book flights for you. It could research things for you. 36 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,980 Ejaaz: It could write code for you. Some really cool things. 37 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,660 Ejaaz: My initial take on this, Josh, which may be a little controversial, is 38 00:02:20,050 --> 00:02:24,430 Ejaaz: It seems like a really cool new browsing experience, but I don't know how much 39 00:02:24,430 --> 00:02:27,130 Ejaaz: it necessarily adds to my life. 40 00:02:27,630 --> 00:02:33,410 Ejaaz: I get that it basically moves you from just using the chat GPT terminal to bringing 41 00:02:33,410 --> 00:02:37,610 Ejaaz: chat GPT to everywhere you browse on the internet. I get that. 42 00:02:37,710 --> 00:02:41,810 Ejaaz: But I don't know if it's noticeably different for me to kind of like jump all 43 00:02:41,810 --> 00:02:43,570 Ejaaz: in. Do you have any initial reactions? 44 00:02:44,010 --> 00:02:47,890 Josh: I think mine are probably similar to yours where we've seen AI browsers before. 45 00:02:47,890 --> 00:02:50,730 Josh: And in fact i almost feel like this could have been 46 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:53,410 Josh: an extension kind of like what anthropic did they just 47 00:02:53,410 --> 00:02:56,410 Josh: released a browser extension that lives as a companion i understand 48 00:02:56,410 --> 00:03:02,350 Josh: why they didn't but it feels like it is about that level of importance um it's 49 00:03:02,350 --> 00:03:05,850 Josh: cool in the sense that it's a companion i don't know how much i'll use it i 50 00:03:05,850 --> 00:03:10,250 Josh: love the chat gpt app and i'm very stuck in my ways on how i use my browsers 51 00:03:10,250 --> 00:03:13,890 Josh: and and the way i use chrome and the way i use safari and i use a series of 52 00:03:13,890 --> 00:03:14,990 Josh: different browsers for different things. 53 00:03:16,010 --> 00:03:17,570 Josh: What I find interesting though is that 54 00:03:19,060 --> 00:03:24,200 Josh: There wasn't really anything new announced today. It's mostly just a wrapper 55 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,420 Josh: of their existing technologies. 56 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,640 Josh: So, Ijaz, you mentioned agent earlier as one of the key features. 57 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:33,040 Josh: Well, we made an episode about agent from ChatGPT, like what, 58 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,980 Josh: Two or three months ago, like quite a while ago, where they had announced the agent feature. 59 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,000 Josh: What they did here is they really just rolled up that agent feature and they 60 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,840 Josh: placed it into a web interface. 61 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,660 Josh: And then another thing is the improved search, where they swapped 62 00:03:46,660 --> 00:03:49,660 Josh: out the Google search bar for a chat gpt search bar and when 63 00:03:49,660 --> 00:03:52,620 Josh: you type things in it will search using chat gpt and that's 64 00:03:52,620 --> 00:03:56,000 Josh: kind of what a lot of users are doing already is 65 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,960 Josh: they're treating chat gpt like google and they're getting these like 66 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,520 Josh: enhanced augmented answers through the browser experience so the 67 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,340 Josh: new thing for me as a user would be just 68 00:04:05,340 --> 00:04:08,300 Josh: the fact that it's more embedded in everything so a common problem 69 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:11,160 Josh: with the chat gpt application that sits on my desktop 70 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,120 Josh: and my mobile app is that it doesn't have access to all the accounts 71 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,840 Josh: that i'm logged into so i i need 72 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:20,100 Josh: to like log into a lot of accounts it's kind of a pain with this browser 73 00:04:20,100 --> 00:04:22,800 Josh: feature it has access to everything and what 74 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,720 Josh: i found interesting is there's actually two modes when you start to 75 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,120 Josh: spin up the browser and you use the agentic feature it'll ask you it'll say 76 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,660 Josh: hey do you want to use with logged in accounts or without login accounts and 77 00:04:33,660 --> 00:04:37,080 Josh: part of that it actually offers a warning saying hey this agent is actually 78 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,000 Josh: going to take actions on your behalf so be sure to monitor it if you give it 79 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,580 Josh: access to all of your accounts because there is a small chance that it does 80 00:04:43,580 --> 00:04:45,540 Josh: something that you may not want it to do. 81 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:51,840 Josh: So it's very much this like early experimental software, but I do see it as the stepping stone. 82 00:04:51,980 --> 00:04:55,380 Josh: I mean, as we talk about this all the time where OpenAI wants the operating 83 00:04:55,380 --> 00:04:58,760 Josh: system for your life, they want to be the single AI subscription that powers 84 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,140 Josh: everything from the time you wake up to the time you go to sleep and thinking 85 00:05:02,140 --> 00:05:03,940 Josh: proactively while you are asleep. 86 00:05:04,220 --> 00:05:07,560 Josh: And I think this is very much just another attempt to further embed themselves 87 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,440 Josh: by getting into the browser experience and everything associated with that experience. 88 00:05:14,420 --> 00:05:19,480 Ejaaz: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think I'm browsing through Fiji Simo, 89 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,580 Ejaaz: the CEO of OpenAI Applications here, her announcement post about this. 90 00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:30,520 Ejaaz: And she goes over here, she goes, the apps SDK, which is something that OpenAI 91 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,840 Ejaaz: released, I think, two weeks ago now. 92 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Ejaaz: And the whole point of the apps SDK was to bring apps into the ChatGPT app that 93 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:43,520 Ejaaz: you and I and 800 million other weekly active of users use every week into ChatGPT. 94 00:05:43,620 --> 00:05:44,880 Ejaaz: So it enriches that experience. 95 00:05:45,140 --> 00:05:50,760 Ejaaz: But the point she makes here is, but ChatGPT should also be able to help you where you already are. 96 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,060 Ejaaz: And this kind of got me thinking about how I use other AI models. 97 00:05:55,220 --> 00:06:00,100 Ejaaz: So another AI model I use is Grok, right? The one from XAI, that Elon Musk's AI model. 98 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:02,620 Ejaaz: And I was talking to you about this before we started recording, 99 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,820 Ejaaz: Josh. But one thing that I keep coming back to when it comes to using Grok is 100 00:06:07,820 --> 00:06:11,520 Ejaaz: it's because I'm browsing X and Twitter, Grok's already there. 101 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:16,360 Ejaaz: So I can just press a button and get a summary of something or have something 102 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,020 Ejaaz: explained to me that I don't quite understand that someone's talking about. 103 00:06:19,140 --> 00:06:23,240 Ejaaz: And I find that really addictive and useful to me. It improves my life. 104 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,020 Ejaaz: If I could do that with ChatGPT, which is opened on another account in another 105 00:06:28,020 --> 00:06:30,720 Ejaaz: tab, but requires more clicks for me to get there. 106 00:06:30,820 --> 00:06:33,500 Ejaaz: I need to copy and paste the tweet. I need to give it a bit of context. 107 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:35,990 Ejaaz: That kind of annoys me, right? So I don't use it. 108 00:06:36,390 --> 00:06:41,290 Ejaaz: Now, I potentially might, right? I log into X, ChatGPT gets access to all my 109 00:06:41,290 --> 00:06:45,770 Ejaaz: X history, which is probably good and very bad, and is able to kind of build 110 00:06:45,770 --> 00:06:48,110 Ejaaz: up a persona around me. So it already knows what I'm going to ask. 111 00:06:48,230 --> 00:06:50,890 Ejaaz: Maybe it suggests things as I'm scrolling through X. 112 00:06:51,090 --> 00:06:54,750 Ejaaz: And that integrated experience is really useful for me. 113 00:06:55,210 --> 00:06:59,750 Ejaaz: But on the other side, I don't know whether this is good enough for me to kind 114 00:06:59,750 --> 00:07:02,110 Ejaaz: of use a completely new browser, right? 115 00:07:02,350 --> 00:07:06,530 Ejaaz: You mentioned that you could import all your bookmarks and log into all your different accounts. 116 00:07:06,710 --> 00:07:11,170 Ejaaz: Yeah, that's cool. But I don't know if that's good enough for me to stop using Chrome entirely. 117 00:07:11,860 --> 00:07:15,600 Josh: Yeah, there was a series of interesting things in this post from Fiji. 118 00:07:15,820 --> 00:07:20,880 Josh: Fiji, CEO of product, not to be confused with CEO of the actual company. 119 00:07:21,460 --> 00:07:25,560 Josh: And there's a few things. One of the things in your key capability section was 120 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,100 Josh: voice control, voice controlling your tabs. I think this is particularly interesting. 121 00:07:29,380 --> 00:07:31,660 Josh: One of my obsessions is how you engage with AI. 122 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,300 Josh: And being able to actually engage with the browser using voice is something 123 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:40,540 Josh: that I believe is novel and very interesting to me, where if I can just converse 124 00:07:40,540 --> 00:07:42,520 Josh: with my browser, if I could say, hey, 125 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,780 Josh: open up this tab, find a post like this, and I could see it kind of visually doing that for me. 126 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:50,260 Josh: I think that's an interesting unlock that I'm excited to play around with. 127 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,840 Josh: And the other, she had a large section in here all about memory. 128 00:07:53,540 --> 00:07:57,280 Josh: And the memory thing I find interesting because this feels like the largest 129 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,320 Josh: value prop for the user, but also for OpenAI and understanding the user more. And 130 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,280 Josh: One of the first bullet points here, it says, Chachi Bati can remember your 131 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,580 Josh: browsing patterns, preferences, and context. 132 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,780 Josh: For example, gluten-free recipes. If you are resistant to gluten, 133 00:08:11,980 --> 00:08:16,100 Josh: it will search specifically for recipes that have no gluten just because it 134 00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:17,780 Josh: understands that memory preference stack. 135 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,920 Josh: So that seems like an interesting part of it where, okay, you can talk to it with your voice now. 136 00:08:23,020 --> 00:08:29,300 Josh: It remembers more and has more context of the actual browser functionality. 137 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:32,220 Josh: Um seems kind of interesting 138 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:35,160 Josh: um but again to your point you just i'm kind of trying to 139 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,080 Josh: i'm trying to convince myself give myself reasons why i would be excited to 140 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:44,500 Josh: use this and voice is one um because i do love constantly when i use chat gpt 141 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:48,740 Josh: my most frequent way of interfacing with it is with voice but is that enough 142 00:08:48,740 --> 00:08:53,000 Josh: i don't know i'm trying to find the killer use case that killer feature and 143 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,800 Josh: i'm just falling short when i think about it 144 00:08:54,800 --> 00:09:00,940 Ejaaz: Okay so So I want to spin my most optimistic take on this new browser, 145 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,760 Ejaaz: Josh, and it is as follows. 146 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:07,120 Ejaaz: It's something you mentioned right at the start, which is, I think if we view 147 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,520 Ejaaz: this as an intermediary step towards what is ultimately going to be a brand 148 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,140 Ejaaz: new operating system for this AI technology, 149 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,580 Ejaaz: I think that's an optimistic outlook and this makes sense, right? 150 00:09:18,940 --> 00:09:24,720 Ejaaz: Why does it make sense? Well, I think in a world where AI and AGI is used in 151 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,020 Ejaaz: everything that I do, it needs to be incredibly personal. 152 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,940 Ejaaz: So it needs to know everything about me. 153 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:33,400 Ejaaz: And it needs to know everything about you, Josh. And the difference between 154 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,300 Ejaaz: you and me will be vast and different and similar in many different ways. 155 00:09:36,460 --> 00:09:38,500 Ejaaz: But it needs to be able to distinguish between that. 156 00:09:38,740 --> 00:09:43,440 Ejaaz: I think a browser is a great step to do that. I kind of view my browser as my 157 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,900 Ejaaz: homepage, my welcome page to the internet. the doormat, if you like. 158 00:09:47,540 --> 00:09:52,280 Ejaaz: I like that when I type in a URL on Google Chrome, it already knows which website 159 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,980 Ejaaz: I'm trying to go to, which tab I already have opened, and it just takes me there directly. 160 00:09:56,180 --> 00:10:01,920 Ejaaz: But I feel like a next leap in that is an AI that's reading my mind that maybe 161 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,440 Ejaaz: does some work for me, or that maybe preempts a bunch of things. 162 00:10:05,580 --> 00:10:09,580 Ejaaz: Maybe it books the restaurant that it knows I need to go to in two weeks' time 163 00:10:09,580 --> 00:10:12,180 Ejaaz: without me needing to kind of open up a tab and do it for myself. 164 00:10:12,180 --> 00:10:15,200 Ejaaz: So um what this end goal eventually 165 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,040 Ejaaz: ends up being is this new operating system with whatever form factor uh we end 166 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,500 Ejaaz: up using whether it's ai glasses that we've mentioned a lot on uh the show before 167 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:28,180 Ejaaz: or whether it's a brand new one that open ai is cooking behind the scenes i 168 00:10:28,180 --> 00:10:31,260 Ejaaz: don't know i don't think we're quite there but i think this is an intermediary 169 00:10:31,260 --> 00:10:33,640 Ejaaz: step before that and therefore it's worth a. 170 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,520 Josh: Shot so like we mentioned earlier in the episode this actually is available 171 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,520 Josh: for download right now it's for mac only but we both 172 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,300 Josh: downloaded it ejaz and i and we've been playing around with it in fact 173 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:45,260 Josh: we want to give a demo right now so ejaz you have the browser open 174 00:10:45,260 --> 00:10:48,000 Josh: on the screen show us how it works what the one thing that 175 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,960 Josh: i'm i'm kind of taken back by a first impression when i open this browser is 176 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,520 Josh: how similar it looks to other browsers this really doesn't look any different 177 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,480 Josh: from a chrome a safari any popular browser that you're used to i guess that's 178 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,260 Josh: probably because we've been trained to use it but show us some of the cool new 179 00:11:03,260 --> 00:11:06,580 Josh: features maybe the agent feature and how we use that cool well 180 00:11:06,580 --> 00:11:10,940 Ejaaz: Yeah there's a bit of a magic wand that you can wave here which is this agent mode. 181 00:11:10,940 --> 00:11:12,660 Josh: Button right over here. 182 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,620 Ejaaz: And you might notice that there is a new cursor that has appeared that is asking 183 00:11:17,620 --> 00:11:18,580 Ejaaz: me, what should we do today? 184 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,140 Ejaaz: And this is basically OpenAI's agent that can do a bunch of things autonomously 185 00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:25,420 Ejaaz: for you as you browse or you can watch it, right? 186 00:11:25,540 --> 00:11:30,720 Ejaaz: So I have a specific prompt that I want to demo here, which is I'm asking it 187 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,120 Ejaaz: to find the Limitless podcast on YouTube, subscribe to the channel, 188 00:11:34,140 --> 00:11:39,200 Ejaaz: and leave a comment about how great they are under their most recent episode. Excellent. 189 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:44,420 Ejaaz: A little generic, but, you know, I have to give it a go. And I'm going to click 190 00:11:44,420 --> 00:11:46,940 Ejaaz: the button here to set the prompt. 191 00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:51,660 Ejaaz: And my initial reaction is, oh, this is just ChatGPT, right? 192 00:11:51,820 --> 00:11:56,700 Ejaaz: Like there's nothing new here. And then suddenly this new window appears before 193 00:11:56,700 --> 00:12:04,700 Ejaaz: me and it is my YouTube channel and it is sparkly and I can see a cursor moving, but it's not me, Josh. 194 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,160 Ejaaz: I'm not moving this at all. And what I'm realizing is this is ChatGPT's agent 195 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:14,640 Ejaaz: doing exactly what we requested of it autonomously in front of us. This is just so cool. 196 00:12:15,670 --> 00:12:18,410 Josh: I wonder how it's going to do it seems like it's located the 197 00:12:18,410 --> 00:12:21,170 Josh: podcast and what i like about this is you could kind of see the chain of thought 198 00:12:21,170 --> 00:12:25,490 Josh: on that right tab over here so it's um it's opening the search results it says 199 00:12:25,490 --> 00:12:28,710 Josh: i found a link for the limitless podcast that leads to a youtube channel so 200 00:12:28,710 --> 00:12:32,750 Josh: it's as it's clicking through these things it's walking through the steps and 201 00:12:32,750 --> 00:12:35,790 Josh: it's just entered our channel so we're here um 202 00:12:35,790 --> 00:12:36,730 Ejaaz: Oh and i just clicked. 203 00:12:36,730 --> 00:12:40,510 Josh: The subscribe button Okay, that's great. 204 00:12:41,190 --> 00:12:42,330 Ejaaz: We are now subscribed. 205 00:12:42,910 --> 00:12:44,490 Josh: Subscribing to Limitless is this easy. 206 00:12:44,830 --> 00:12:48,070 Ejaaz: And it's opened up. It's opened up our most recent video. 207 00:12:48,690 --> 00:12:50,910 Josh: Oh, this is kind of cool. Okay, it's doing it. 208 00:12:51,450 --> 00:12:54,090 Ejaaz: Let's see. Fingers crossed. Let's see. It's running a comment. 209 00:12:54,990 --> 00:13:00,110 Josh: Okay, it selected the comment, the text field. It's going to come up with hopefully 210 00:13:00,110 --> 00:13:01,210 Josh: something nice and generous. 211 00:13:01,570 --> 00:13:05,390 Ejaaz: Wow, this is the latest episode. It was fantastic. Limitless is truly pushing 212 00:13:05,390 --> 00:13:07,330 Ejaaz: the boundaries. And will it click publish? 213 00:13:08,470 --> 00:13:14,070 Josh: Let's see come on this is actually very impressive um how well it's working 214 00:13:14,070 --> 00:13:17,150 Josh: listen if you want to give a demo this is an excellent demo to do 215 00:13:17,150 --> 00:13:20,390 Ejaaz: Oh so i'm seeing on 216 00:13:20,390 --> 00:13:24,330 Ejaaz: here just gonna pause it i'm seeing on the right side it said i found the limitless 217 00:13:24,330 --> 00:13:28,510 Ejaaz: podcast channel subscribe to it and drafted a positive comment um would you 218 00:13:28,510 --> 00:13:33,210 Ejaaz: like me to post this comment now now what i like about this josh is it's asking 219 00:13:33,210 --> 00:13:37,250 Ejaaz: for my review before it posted because this is something that might affect how 220 00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:38,670 Ejaaz: people perceive me on the internet. 221 00:13:39,170 --> 00:13:42,690 Ejaaz: And so therefore it understands that this is a point where I need to interact 222 00:13:42,690 --> 00:13:44,250 Ejaaz: with the human to check that if it's cool. 223 00:13:44,410 --> 00:13:51,070 Ejaaz: So if I respond, yes, go ahead, it should post that comment. Let's have a look. 224 00:13:52,510 --> 00:13:56,290 Josh: Okay, we're back at the sparkly screen, which is symboling it's doing something. 225 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:58,030 Ejaaz: And it's click comment. Boom. It's done. 226 00:13:58,210 --> 00:14:01,870 Josh: Sent. Done. Okay, that's pretty cool. That's epic. That's fun. 227 00:14:02,150 --> 00:14:03,930 Josh: It's a fun demo. It's fun to use. 228 00:14:04,470 --> 00:14:09,330 Josh: Now, granted, Ejaz, could you do this in the previous agent functionality of ChatGPT? 229 00:14:10,290 --> 00:14:11,590 Josh: Is that something you think would work? 230 00:14:12,490 --> 00:14:17,130 Ejaaz: No, because you would have to integrate YouTube directly into the ChatGPT terminal, 231 00:14:17,130 --> 00:14:17,990 Ejaaz: and that's not available. 232 00:14:18,350 --> 00:14:22,290 Josh: Okay, so this is a novel use case. That is exciting. Okay, so Ejaz, more demos. 233 00:14:22,510 --> 00:14:26,310 Josh: What else can this thing do? I know you yourself are a bit of a restaurant connoisseur. 234 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:28,670 Josh: Do you have anything that we can test against that? 235 00:14:29,130 --> 00:14:33,830 Ejaaz: I am. So this is a real life use case that I need resolved ASAP, 236 00:14:34,010 --> 00:14:39,870 Ejaaz: which is I'm booking a dinner for four somewhere in New York on Friday, 237 00:14:39,870 --> 00:14:41,790 Ejaaz: and I haven't got a single reservation. 238 00:14:42,050 --> 00:14:51,210 Ejaaz: So I am booking a dinner with my friends on Friday. 239 00:14:51,210 --> 00:14:55,030 Ejaaz: Pick a restaurant in 240 00:14:55,030 --> 00:15:01,170 Ejaaz: williamsburg josh let's see uh williamsburg 241 00:15:01,170 --> 00:15:10,030 Ejaaz: and reserve it and so the agent as we've just demonstrated is going to uh find 242 00:15:10,030 --> 00:15:13,670 Ejaaz: a way uh to figure out what the best restaurant is in williamsburg or something 243 00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:17,810 Ejaaz: that might be suited towards my taste and hopefully book it Now, notice a few things. 244 00:15:18,110 --> 00:15:23,630 Ejaaz: I haven't given it my preference of time and I haven't kind of like logged into 245 00:15:23,630 --> 00:15:27,190 Ejaaz: any reservation platform. So it's a little more challenging than the previous 246 00:15:27,190 --> 00:15:29,010 Ejaaz: prompt where I'd already logged into my YouTube. 247 00:15:29,410 --> 00:15:32,350 Ejaaz: Now, typically you could log into your resi and it could just do this swiftly 248 00:15:32,350 --> 00:15:35,310 Ejaaz: for you. So I'm interested to see how it starts to tackle this. 249 00:15:35,470 --> 00:15:38,590 Ejaaz: Okay, so it's asked me a follow-up because I didn't give it enough information, 250 00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:40,930 Ejaaz: which is number of guests and preferred time. 251 00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:44,490 Ejaaz: So four guests and... 252 00:15:45,570 --> 00:15:49,310 Ejaaz: Uh around 7 p.m 253 00:15:49,310 --> 00:15:52,610 Ejaaz: and so it says let's do this it's starting to find reservations and what 254 00:15:52,610 --> 00:15:57,830 Ejaaz: we should see soon is a side window pop-up where it's going to start browsing 255 00:15:57,830 --> 00:16:02,610 Ejaaz: and using search to basically find a really cool restaurant now and there we 256 00:16:02,610 --> 00:16:05,870 Ejaaz: go right now it's looking at infatuation it's looking at eater these are all 257 00:16:05,870 --> 00:16:09,790 Ejaaz: popular food review sites that are in new york and it's going to find me something. 258 00:16:09,930 --> 00:16:14,630 Ejaaz: But whilst that's cooking, Josh, I kind of want to show some similar, 259 00:16:14,970 --> 00:16:19,450 Ejaaz: not as loud, but quiet features from this new browser that I think is pretty 260 00:16:19,450 --> 00:16:21,150 Ejaaz: cool. So why don't you give me something to search? 261 00:16:21,290 --> 00:16:25,330 Josh: I want to know more about the new M5 version of the Apple Vision Pro. 262 00:16:25,490 --> 00:16:27,890 Josh: They just released it last week. I was interested in getting it. 263 00:16:28,010 --> 00:16:29,730 Josh: I want to know more about that. 264 00:16:29,930 --> 00:16:35,150 Ejaaz: Okay, so let's go with Apple Vision Pro M5. So this is typical to any search 265 00:16:35,150 --> 00:16:40,510 Ejaaz: browser where you press enter, except you might notice a few different things here. 266 00:16:40,810 --> 00:16:44,850 Ejaaz: So immediately, rather than being faced with a Google ranking page where you 267 00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:47,810 Ejaaz: can see a bunch of hyperlinks and you kind of figure out which is the right 268 00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:52,350 Ejaaz: website to click to get your information on, you're given a chat GPT page where 269 00:16:52,350 --> 00:16:53,850 Ejaaz: it summarizes, it says, okay, 270 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:57,910 Ejaaz: Josh, I kind of figured that you want to know what's good about this M5 chip. 271 00:16:58,770 --> 00:17:02,270 Ejaaz: Here's like the new features from the chip and why it's going to be so useful for you. 272 00:17:02,530 --> 00:17:07,710 Ejaaz: Here's what hasn't changed from the previous chip. And here's who this chip is mainly aimed for. 273 00:17:07,810 --> 00:17:10,010 Ejaaz: Maybe it's for a slightly more technical audience or someone that's looking 274 00:17:10,010 --> 00:17:13,270 Ejaaz: for a little bit more kick out of their computer than they're expecting. 275 00:17:13,490 --> 00:17:18,030 Ejaaz: So this is already more helpful for me than an average Google search where I 276 00:17:18,030 --> 00:17:19,610 Ejaaz: have to then go into the Apple website. 277 00:17:19,630 --> 00:17:24,390 Ejaaz: I need to navigate to the new M5 chip, Apple Vision Pros, and read about the new M5 thing. 278 00:17:24,530 --> 00:17:28,970 Ejaaz: What I'm noticing is it hasn't told me about the Vision Pro specifically. 279 00:17:29,790 --> 00:17:34,510 Ejaaz: It has given me some general takeaways here. But what I think is really interesting 280 00:17:34,510 --> 00:17:38,470 Ejaaz: here, Josh, is if I don't want to look at a chat GPT response, 281 00:17:38,690 --> 00:17:43,130 Ejaaz: I have the option up here, and you might notice a few tabs, to click search. 282 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:48,720 Ejaaz: And suddenly I have my Google search interface that I missed and that I wanted 283 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,160 Ejaaz: to engage with and select a link for myself. 284 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,540 Ejaaz: But it also gives you the image option as well, which is, again, very typical of Google. 285 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,680 Ejaaz: Or I can look at any videos of people who have done reviews of headsets for me. 286 00:18:00,820 --> 00:18:06,220 Ejaaz: So it's not straying too far from things that I'm comfortable with if I find 287 00:18:06,220 --> 00:18:08,800 Ejaaz: myself wanting to use those things again. 288 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,400 Ejaaz: Do you have any immediate reactions to this, Josh? 289 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,860 Josh: Yeah, well, my first reaction was, oh my god imagine 800 290 00:18:14,860 --> 00:18:17,860 Josh: million people using this product that is 800 million people less 291 00:18:17,860 --> 00:18:20,600 Josh: using google search so that felt like a big deal 292 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,820 Josh: but now seeing that you can actually kind of invoke google 293 00:18:23,820 --> 00:18:26,720 Josh: search results which i'm assuming populates three of those four small 294 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,720 Josh: tabs it softens the blow slightly but 295 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,560 Josh: i imagine that's got to be transitory right like 296 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,640 Josh: surely they don't want to continue to funnel traffic through 297 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,500 Josh: google if they don't need to um to me like this 298 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:41,300 Josh: whole thing it just feels kind of like the one of the oldest plays 299 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:44,280 Josh: in the books right like you have product market fit with a single killer 300 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,700 Josh: use case you have the best ai and then you just kind of like vertically integrate 301 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:51,480 Josh: and then horizontally expand until you control the interface layer itself so 302 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,520 Josh: it's like open ai again we saw this with um chat gpt first then we saw with 303 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,200 Josh: recently with um what is the oh my gosh with sora and the image generation and 304 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,400 Josh: now it's another example where they're 305 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,780 Josh: It's only a matter of time to me until this platform grows into the life OS 306 00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:12,020 Josh: that we mentioned before and then displaces a lot of the services like Google. 307 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,500 Josh: I mean, the demo that you just did with the search, it's pretty closely replicable 308 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:20,700 Josh: through the desktop application, but you're already here and this is how you're 309 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:22,680 Josh: used to using the internet. 310 00:19:22,860 --> 00:19:25,700 Josh: So the fact that it could just inject itself right into it is really cool. 311 00:19:25,820 --> 00:19:28,700 Josh: And we're checking back in on this demo for getting a reservation. 312 00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:30,780 Josh: It looks like it's going pretty well. I know this restaurant. 313 00:19:30,780 --> 00:19:35,340 Ejaaz: I have a massive grin on my face right now because although it didn't know this 314 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:38,540 Ejaaz: about me, this is one of my favorite spots in the neighborhood. 315 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,900 Ejaaz: Aurora Williamsburg, great Italian food for anyone who happens to find themselves in Brooklyn. 316 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,340 Ejaaz: And it is reviewing another great restaurant as well. 317 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:51,700 Ejaaz: And what I'm noticing is it's at the stage where it's condensed a bunch of the 318 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:55,740 Ejaaz: top restaurants in my neighborhood and it's checking out reservation availability 319 00:19:55,740 --> 00:19:59,380 Ejaaz: right now. This is something I despise when I'm looking for food, 320 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:00,820 Ejaaz: Josh. I love eating the food. 321 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,240 Ejaaz: I love ordering the food. I don't really like doing all the reservations. 322 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,900 Ejaaz: It's going on the open table. It's finding out whether there's a time slot for 323 00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:10,140 Ejaaz: me. It's going on resi. It's doing the same kind of thing. 324 00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:15,560 Ejaaz: And I like that I can actively see its thinking in real time. That's awesome. 325 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:20,080 Josh: Okay, so I guess while that thinks, are there any final thoughts on ChatGPT? 326 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,400 Josh: Maybe while I ask you, EJS, because this is a question I'm asking myself, 327 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,360 Josh: is do you see yourself actually using this product? 328 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,020 Ejaaz: No, not beyond a week. And I'm just going to be honest because I had a similar 329 00:20:34,020 --> 00:20:39,500 Ejaaz: experience when I was using Perplexity's AI browser that they released not too 330 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:42,640 Ejaaz: long ago called Comet. We also reviewed that on the show here. 331 00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:47,620 Ejaaz: I used it pretty actively, but I realized that the thing that it was lacking 332 00:20:47,620 --> 00:20:49,620 Ejaaz: the most was it didn't know enough about me. 333 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,840 Ejaaz: And maybe OpenAI's browser changes that for me, right? It has all the history 334 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,360 Ejaaz: that I need to know, but I don't think it's good enough. 335 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:01,740 Ejaaz: Like, typically they say, if you want to introduce a new product that competes 336 00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:05,880 Ejaaz: with an old version of it, it needs to be at least 10 times better than it. 337 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,680 Ejaaz: I don't think this is 10 times better. Do you, Josh? 338 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:15,660 Josh: I don't. I don't think it is. But I'm torn on whether or not I will use it. 339 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,260 Josh: And I'm actually leaning more towards yes than no this time. 340 00:21:20,260 --> 00:21:26,160 Josh: And as like one of the biggest perplexity haters, I really think that this is 341 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,880 Josh: different purely due to memory. 342 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:33,560 Josh: Like ChatGPT really knows a lot about me. And what was interesting is during 343 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,180 Josh: the onboarding flow, when you first download the browser and you get set up, 344 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:40,180 Josh: is they give you a really easy option to click to transfer your Chrome history 345 00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:42,020 Josh: over to this new browser. 346 00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:44,640 Josh: So in one click, you've kind of transferred all of your history, 347 00:21:44,820 --> 00:21:47,180 Josh: all of your tabs, all your favorites, your bookmarks, your reading list, 348 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,340 Josh: which is what I did. And then you kind of have to re-sign into the accounts again. 349 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:55,220 Josh: But suddenly you do have this companion that kind of knows everything about 350 00:21:55,220 --> 00:21:56,360 Josh: you. It's just always there. 351 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,200 Josh: And I want to say, I don't know. Like, I think the answer, you know what? 352 00:22:01,790 --> 00:22:03,850 Josh: If I'm being honest with myself, I think the answer is also no. 353 00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:06,430 Josh: I think one month from now, there's no way I'm using this browser. 354 00:22:06,610 --> 00:22:08,370 Josh: But I want to give this a shot. 355 00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:11,470 Josh: And I think it's too early to tell for sure. But I think you're right in the 356 00:22:11,470 --> 00:22:15,090 Josh: sense that I'm very happy with Google Chrome, and I'm very happy with my ChatGPT 357 00:22:15,090 --> 00:22:19,250 Josh: desktop application and my web app and my mobile app. 358 00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:22,190 Josh: So it's going to take a lot to replace that. 359 00:22:22,650 --> 00:22:30,350 Ejaaz: So here's the thing, right? We probably use the web browser for two types of activities. 360 00:22:30,970 --> 00:22:36,190 Ejaaz: One is work, right? Editing docs, coming up with agendas, researching a bunch 361 00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:40,390 Ejaaz: of things on X, YouTube, and then, you know, recording a video, 362 00:22:40,570 --> 00:22:41,630 Ejaaz: doing all these different types of things. 363 00:22:41,790 --> 00:22:44,750 Ejaaz: The other side is the leisure side of things, right? 364 00:22:44,850 --> 00:22:48,430 Ejaaz: Where you kind of want to be browsing and searching for your own things. 365 00:22:48,530 --> 00:22:51,630 Ejaaz: You're kind of like a discoverer on YouTube or like finding the right video 366 00:22:51,630 --> 00:22:53,410 Ejaaz: to watch whilst you read, right? 367 00:22:53,970 --> 00:23:00,570 Ejaaz: I don't know how much Atlas as an AI browser can add towards the leisure side 368 00:23:00,570 --> 00:23:02,890 Ejaaz: of things. I kind of want to do that myself. 369 00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:06,650 Ejaaz: Now, where I can see it actually being active here is, 370 00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:10,370 Ejaaz: to your point, if it knows everything about my browser history, 371 00:23:10,530 --> 00:23:12,310 Ejaaz: but it can do something with it, 372 00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:18,350 Ejaaz: aka imagine me opening up this browser and it has a bunch of tabs opened for 373 00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:23,670 Ejaaz: me for things that I want to read on my Reddit account for a particular post, or on X, 374 00:23:23,770 --> 00:23:27,070 Ejaaz: it's kind of opened up a post that it knows I'm going to like and want to start 375 00:23:27,070 --> 00:23:29,830 Ejaaz: my day off with, that could be quite cool. 376 00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:30,950 Ejaaz: And I could see that being pretty 377 00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:34,950 Ejaaz: sticky, but that's just me being hopeful on the work side of things. 378 00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:38,030 Ejaaz: I would love if I could just wake up in the morning and I have like a neat, 379 00:23:38,190 --> 00:23:42,110 Ejaaz: concise summary of all the latest AI things that have happened overnight whilst I've been asleep. 380 00:23:42,510 --> 00:23:44,950 Ejaaz: That's probably a simple thing that I can ask the agent to do. 381 00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:46,830 Ejaaz: But again, I'm being hopeful. 382 00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:50,970 Ejaaz: I want it to be proactive for me before I can like kind of commit to saying, 383 00:23:51,070 --> 00:23:52,930 Ejaaz: yeah, I'm going to use this as my new browser. 384 00:23:53,450 --> 00:23:57,230 Josh: Yeah, the leisure versus productivity thing. I actually brought up with Arvind 385 00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:59,930 Josh: on an episode that we did talking about perplexity. 386 00:24:00,070 --> 00:24:03,230 Josh: And I would recommend everyone goes and watch it because it gives some context 387 00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:05,150 Josh: on the thesis for the browser. 388 00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:09,330 Josh: And I think you're right in a lot of cases, Ejaz. And also, I very strongly 389 00:24:09,330 --> 00:24:12,990 Josh: believe this is just a stepping stone because the way that they're going about 390 00:24:12,990 --> 00:24:17,250 Josh: it, it feels like OpenAI is kind of going for the life OS, whereas perplexity 391 00:24:17,250 --> 00:24:18,450 Josh: is kind of going for the browser. 392 00:24:18,450 --> 00:24:21,310 Josh: And the browser very much feels like an incremental stepping 393 00:24:21,310 --> 00:24:24,090 Josh: stone where the reason right now the browser is better that 394 00:24:24,090 --> 00:24:26,850 Josh: we were talking about is because your accounts are logged in because it has 395 00:24:26,850 --> 00:24:31,150 Josh: the history because it has the context and if all that if all those hurdles 396 00:24:31,150 --> 00:24:34,930 Josh: went away um i think the most interesting and compelling part about this product 397 00:24:34,930 --> 00:24:39,450 Josh: is the agent feature the fact that it can go and do things without you and that's 398 00:24:39,450 --> 00:24:43,270 Josh: what we just saw here it looks like you do actually have a reservation you guys 399 00:24:43,270 --> 00:24:45,890 Josh: you have two minutes to complete it are you going to do that i 400 00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:49,390 Ejaaz: Am yeah Yeah, yeah. So my agent came back to me and said, hey, 401 00:24:49,470 --> 00:24:53,530 Ejaaz: I found a good restaurant, Soraki, which is a great Greek spot near me. 402 00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:58,010 Ejaaz: I'm holding the reservation for you for four people. Do you want me to go ahead and book it? 403 00:24:58,170 --> 00:25:02,350 Ejaaz: And it is basically going ahead and doing that. So all in all useful. 404 00:25:03,290 --> 00:25:05,750 Josh: Okay, well, I'm going to remove the screen share before it shows your phone 405 00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:07,610 Josh: number because we don't want everyone calling the line. 406 00:25:07,890 --> 00:25:11,910 Josh: But I think that that probably concludes the ChatGPT browser episode, 407 00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:14,330 Josh: right? Like it's, it is cool. It is impressive. 408 00:25:14,590 --> 00:25:19,870 Josh: It is an incremental stepping stone but maybe not the killer product that 409 00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:22,100 Josh: some people would imagine. 410 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,260 Ejaaz: Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious to hear what others have to say about this. 411 00:25:27,340 --> 00:25:28,720 Ejaaz: I mean, you've just seen everything. 412 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,560 Ejaaz: We've given you the entire breakdown of all the cool features. 413 00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:34,580 Ejaaz: We've shown you all the demos about how it actually looks, how it works. 414 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:39,500 Ejaaz: It's available to anyone who's on macOS right now. Windows coming soon right after. 415 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,640 Ejaaz: Let us know what you think. Are we wrong? Like, is there something useful that 416 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,500 Ejaaz: is cool for you guys to use and we're not seeing let us know in the comments 417 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:53,780 Ejaaz: let us know give us some feedback and and maybe we can kind of give a review on it later on. 418 00:25:53,780 --> 00:25:56,580 Josh: Yeah just looking for killer use cases if there's anything 419 00:25:56,580 --> 00:25:59,580 Josh: we're missing there's also a funny thing on the availability of 420 00:25:59,580 --> 00:26:03,640 Josh: this ejaz where it's available to free plus and premium users but if you are 421 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,860 Josh: a free user and you allow the atlas browser to become your default browser they 422 00:26:08,860 --> 00:26:13,360 Josh: will unlock seven days of extended limits on messaging file uploads data analysis 423 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:17,260 Josh: and image generation on chat gpt atlas so there's a lot of growth Hex embedded in this. 424 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:21,120 Josh: It's very clear they're doing this to just kind of get as many people into the 425 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,980 Josh: platform as possible and get more of that platform lock. 426 00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:27,280 Josh: And it's doing a good job. I mean, this is by all means a good product. 427 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,960 Josh: It is in line with, I think, everything else that's on the market. 428 00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:32,560 Josh: And we'll just follow along and see how things go from here. 429 00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:37,060 Josh: But that has been another episode of the Limitless Podcast. Thank you so much for watching. 430 00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:41,760 Josh: And we'll be back in a couple of days for the roundup of the week. I'll see you guys then.