Sam Acho: Welcome back to the Sam Macho Podcast, the place where we go first.
We give space, we grow hope.
We talk about faith, family, football.
Sometimes you'll hear about more of that in in a second, and also finances.
And today we have a very special guest.
And Cliff, I'd love for you to introduce our guest.
Clif Marshall: Absolutely Sam.
I am thrilled today because we have Major League baseball
veteran Josh Harrison with us.
Josh is a follower of Christ, a husband, a father.
And just a great human being.
Josh was born and raised in Cincinnati, Ohio.
He was a standout baseball player in college playing for the Cincinnati
Bearcats, where he was named the Big East Player of the year.
He was drafted by the Cubs.
In the sixth round of the 2008 draft.
Josh went on to play for the Pittsburgh Pirates, the Detroit
Tigers, the Washington Nationals, the Oakland Athletics, Chicago
White Sox, and Philadelphia, Philly.
Josh was named to the Major League Baseball All-Star Roster two
different times in his career.
Personal for me, Josh trained in the off seasons at Ignition, where I was
the performance director for many years, so I got to watch his climb
from the minor leagues to the big show.
He officially announced his retirement last week after 13 MLB seasons.
So we are going to find out what he is up to.
After hanging up the cleats, Jay Hay, welcome to the podcast, my friend.
I'm so excited that you're with us.
Josh Harrison: Man.
I appreciate y'all having me, man.
Uh, as I said, uh, you know, I'm just grateful to be
here and let's get it going.
Sam Acho: Yes.
Well, uh, J Hey, I got a question, but before I ask that, we were gonna
start recording and you made a comment about Cliff and y'all's relationship.
What did you say about Cliff and y'all's relationship?
Josh Harrison: Oh, um, one when, when he, when he spoke to me or reached
out to me about doing his podcast, um, you know, I said, yeah, but to
go a little further, I said, anything that Cliff was involved in, you know,
I consider going just from my time.
You know, as he said, our, our history, he knew me from when I first started
training there in the minor leagues.
To, um, once I made it to the big leagues and anything that Cliff was ever involved
in, um, you know, I was willing to be a part of, he'll tell you too, uh, even
at Ignition when he asked me to come speak to some of, you know, football
guys, even though I didn't play football.
Um, as I said, I, I, cliff was somebody that I definitely resonated with.
Um, especially, you know, one of the things that he talked about that
ignition was iron sharpens iron.
And, um, cliff is a good dude that any time that I've been around talking to.
Has been able to kind of guide you in the right direction.
So when asked to do this, I'm like, that's my guy.
Sam Acho: Hmm.
That's so good.
Clif Marshall: Thank you brother.
Sam, let me show you real quick.
That means the world to me and Sam.
You know, for every athlete that I trained somewhere in my house, there
Sam Acho: Ooh.
Clif Marshall: I.
So that's a great picture of Josh when he was playing for
the Pittsburgh Pirates there.
So Josh, you're family to me brother.
And obviously we haven't seen each other for a few years now that
I've moved on to Indiana and moved away from Cincinnati and Ignition.
But it's family forever, man.
When you're a coach and an athlete and you have that bond,
you have that relationship.
It's the most rewarding part, uh, at least for me.
So thank you for those kind words that it really means the world to me.
Josh Harrison: Oh no, that's, that's without saying.
As you said, family, a lot of people don't realize coaches, trainers, when
you're dealing with an athlete to get to know them, that's, that's when
you're gonna get the most out of them.
And
I mean, when you take that personal relationship, that step further,
that's where you become family.
Sam Acho: That's so good.
Well, I want, I got a question for you, Josh.
So you just finished, you just announced like in the last week or two, your
retirement from the MLB after 13 seasons.
My man two time All star, my man, uh uh, breaking up people's no hitters.
My man over here.
I'm like even watching some of your highlights, I'm
like, rotes, dude, king, go.
But now you are done at least with this chapter.
So my question for you is, what does life look like now that
you're no longer at the ballpark?
Josh Harrison: Uh, you know, first and foremost, as you said, 13
years was definitely a blessing.
Um, definitely looks a lot different now than what it did in, in my previous
years, but, uh, all things that.
I was kind of ready for when, when, as time came.
Um, not to say any, any athletes that's, that's playing now or played before.
I mean, there's gonna come a point in time where you're done playing and most
people don't like to think about it.
But, um, you know, I, I, I take everything.
In hindsight, I was the youngest of three.
I'm able to observe and see how things, you know, go and what to look for.
And, uh, unfortunately 2020 was a COVID year.
Um, our season was shortened.
I was also coming off of a hamstring surgery.
So the previous year I was home, you know, August through all the off season.
And then after the COVID season we had the lockout where the season started later.
So it was a gap of two years where I had more extended time at home.
Um, whether it was rehabbing or we had COVID, I had already got a glimpse of what
life would be like when baseball was done.
And uh, when it came time for it to be done, you know, I was.
Like, here we go.
I was able to take my kids to school.
Some that I had to do during COVID, you know, granted it was, it was online.
I was still taking 'em to school, like,
like, you know what I mean?
But it, it was those things that where it's like, okay, I'm no longer on
the other side of the phone trying to help with homework or do these things.
I was able to be a little bit more present.
So now my days look like, you know, granted it's the summer,
it's summer break, so it's not.
Really much that we are doing other than, you know, some, some family things
that we haven't had a chance to do.
But, um, you know, this past offseason or this past year has been, you know,
waking up, taking the kids to school.
Uh, you know, whatever my wife made, you know, she called
the offseason Brittany season.
And in my and, in my, in my post for the retirement, you know, I
told her it is Britney season now.
You know, so that, that involves, you know, helping in any way that I can,
you know, for, for athletes, you know, our significant other are the ones that.
You know, kind of keep the house afloat while we're gone.
And I don't think you can make up for Mo for miss time, but you can
make the most of what you have.
So you know, I'm allowing her to do.
Things that she wasn't able to do otherwise when I wasn't here.
She's a business owner.
She's got her own magazine.
Um, the beat mom.
She's getting ready to drop her new issue.
Um, she's also got her own online boutique.
Um, so just a few things, just, you know, where she supported me throughout
my career, I'm able to kind of give it back to her where, you know, she's
always done it, but it's just a little more fulfilling for me to sit back and
know that, babe, go, go do what you do.
I, I got the kids, you know, um, you know, you don't have to worry about
calling your parents and my parents, you know, things that I wasn't here for.
Now I'm here.
Clif Marshall: Hmm.
Josh, I wanna ask you, man, as you, as you've, uh, you know, hung the cleats
up, so to speak, Sam hung his up as well after about a decade in the NFL.
Um, what do you think you're gonna miss most about the clubhouse?
And really just baseball in general.
Josh Harrison: More the competition.
Um, I, I, I think that's more than anything.
Like I, I say I miss my guys, which I think that's a given, but.
I mean, I, I got a, I had an opportunity, I was blessed.
I played 13 years and I played with a lot of people from different, you
know, eras, different walks of life.
I.
And, um, so to say that I'm gonna miss those people, I
don't really consider that.
'cause the ones that you keep in contact with, you know, you're
gonna keep in contact with.
And the ones that you don't, there's no love lost.
It's just life.
It's a lot of, it's a lot of people that you can't keep in contact with.
But I would say the competition, um, 'cause that, that's, that's all I've
done from, from the age of three.
You know, I played T-Ball from the age of three all the way to
playing in the major leagues.
Um, and I also played other sports, but.
Like that competition piece.
Um, 'cause that's something that, you know, you, you're gonna miss.
I'm always gonna be competitive whether I'm playing Uno monopoly,
you know, but, but going in and putting on a uniform and, you know,
actually competing against a pitcher.
I mean, I, I, I'll miss that.
But you know what, I, I, I, I feel like I've done enough of it.
I'm, I'm excited for, for what's next.
Sam Acho: So how did baseball happen for you?
Like I, you said you played a bunch of different sports.
How, how did, how did baseball become the sport?
Josh Harrison: Um, in my family, one, my, my mom's brother, John Tbo Shelby.
Played in 11 years, coached for 42 World Series rings.
He was the starting center fielder, uh, for the a DA Dodgers Kurt Gibson home run.
Like the, my, my uncle was the starting center field on that team.
Um, to the point to where when I said coach for 40 years, my uncle was still
coaching in the major leagues when I played, he was a brewer's outfield coach.
So when I played for the Pirates, they came to Pittsburgh three
times out the year we went to Milwaukee three times out the year.
So I'm seeing my uncle, you know, 20 something times.
Where, you know, as I said, it's a lot of games.
We're away from family, but at the same time, we still get to see each other.
We're going, you know, but he's also giving me the, the real deal, the
ins and outs of, Hey, stay ready if you're not playing, you know,
always, you know, he's been through it and he sees it on the other hand.
So that, that's where it came from.
And then I had two older brothers that played.
We all grew up playing football, basketball, and baseball.
Um, my oldest brother manages the date and dragons.
Um, but uh, baseball was just natural to me.
Not that the other sports weren't, but, uh, you let my
family tell it their stories.
Uh.
I was three years old at the table with a fork making my brother's ball up like
a piece of paper, using it as a ball,
Sam Acho: Hmm.
Josh Harrison: so,
Sam Acho: so it's in the blood.
Josh Harrison: oh yeah.
Sam Acho: Hmm.
So you're talking about some of your brothers, one of your
brothers you mentioned is a, is a coach in the minor leagues.
Josh Harrison: Right.
Sam Acho: Now that your career is over, have you thought about
getting into coaching or staying involved in baseball in some way?
Josh Harrison: So, yeah, I got two brothers.
Uh, my brother Sean, uh, is the middle brother.
My brother Vince, is the oldest brother.
Um, Sean's a barber, so he's our barber.
As you can see, I had to get clean before I got on here.
Sam Acho: Smooth, smooth.
Josh Harrison: Shahe, also known as Shahe.
Uh, I'm Jay, he, but Big Brother Vince is Vhe, kind of the trailblazer.
And, uh, he is managing the dragons.
He's actually, this one, I wanna say maybe like his.
14th or 15th year coaching, just pro ball in general.
Um, and I can't say what the future holds for me, you know,
whether I'm coach or not.
Um, you know, I'm enjoying being at home with my family, but I, but I do
know that coaching also is just as much of a, you know, commitment is playing.
And, uh, that's why I said as of right now, you know, I'm enjoying being home.
I don't know what the future holds, but, uh, my big brother is, is
holding a down force right now.
And, uh.
You know, I'm rooting for him.
You know, it's, it is been pretty cool to kind of, you know,
see things come full circle.
'cause he was the one that started to fall.
All love it.
Me and my brothers, all our cousins, but, um, you know, who knows, Hey,
my brother get a big league job.
I, it, it might be cool to coach my brother.
You know, that's something that I might not be able to turn down.
I.
Sam Acho: Hmm.
Clif Marshall: Jay.
Hey.
I just heard you say, like you said, I'm gonna miss the competition.
Right.
In the major leagues, that's what you're gonna miss the most.
So you had that competitive spirit in you and I got to watch it for many
years at Ignition when you would come in and you would want to train with
like the, the NFL wide receivers and the
Josh Harrison: yeah.
Clif Marshall: And I'd be like, Jay, hey man, you're a baseball player.
What do you wanna train with these NFL guys for?
And it's like, because you wanted to compete.
And also your skillset to me, even as a baseball player, is you had
incredible athleticism, right?
You had speed, you had agility, you had power.
And uh, it was so cool when I got to watch you training with our other pro athletes,
but in addition to the competitive spirit.
I feel like you have the fruit of the spirit.
And what I mean by that is you played the game with joy.
You have love, you have compassion.
You just have this, um, wellbeing about you that people want to be around you.
And as I was reading a lot of the comments on social media about your retirement,
that's what people said about you.
They said you were the glue guy.
For the Major League baseball teams that you played for, but you also
brought such a joy to the game, and I want to know where does that come from?
Josh Harrison: Um, it, it is, I don't believe in coincidence,
the fact that you brung that up.
Um, it's not a coincidence.
'cause even in my, you know, my, my letter, you know, I said the peer passion
and joy that you watched me play with it, you know, came from the heart.
A lot of it was, I.
You know, I got a chance to do something.
I loved, you know, how, how many, how many people really get a chance to say for
majority of their life, the job that they work was something that they loved to do.
Um, you know, so every day that I walked in, um, you know, I was, I was grateful.
I.
And, uh, also knew what was ahead of me.
'cause uh, there was a lot of hard work that got me to that point.
Um, nothing was ever given to me.
Nothing was ever handed.
The same day I graduated high school.
It was the same day I signed my national letter of intent.
I didn't have any offers going until my last year, you know,
my last month of high school.
Um, so the, the, the joy that I played with in high school was the same joy I
played with in the big leagues 'cause.
No matter what the situation was, I was doing something that I loved.
And even my last month of high school, I can remember people
like, man, you're not worried about where you're going to school.
And I'm like, I know.
Wherever I go, it's gonna be somewhere, you know, I was gonna go to a juco.
But, um, you know, just having things in perspective, man, knowing
that I got to do what I love.
But, you know, coming off the field, you know, I'm a husband,
I'm a son, I'm a father, I'm a brother, um, you know, I'm a friend.
All those things, you know, put things in perspective to know
that when I go out here and play.
I, I can leave everything on the field.
'cause you know, I even said that when I signed my, my contract extension with the
Pirates is baseball doesn't define me.
You know, it's just, it might be what I do, like my occupation,
but baseball will never define me.
I.
Um, and, and that's kind of what allowed me to play with that passion and joy.
'cause you know, whether I was four for four or oh for four, you know,
coming outta the clubhouse, all my daughters wanted was a sip of my
Sprite and ride in a car with me.
You know?
So at the end of the day, all, all I can do is go out here for, you know,
whether it's nine innings, 12 innings.
Man, play hard, have fun, enjoy it.
'cause as I said, I, I, I, I, I definitely fed off of like the fans' energy.
Clif Marshall: Well, let me ask you, you know, baseball is a game, uh,
a little different than football, although Sam lived it as an NFL player
and as a college football player.
Man pressure.
Right.
There's a lot of pressure in sports in general.
Right.
And, um, but baseball a little bit different, you know, in terms of
you're at the plate by yourself, right?
You're solo up there.
How did you handle the pressure of playing in the major league
Josh Harrison: Uh, one knowing that I belong there.
Um, but as I said, I'm observant.
And you also gotta understand baseball is a game that is tough.
You can do a lot of things right and still not get rewarded.
And, um, literally knowing that and going into every day, knowing that
every day is it's own and no matter what you do, there's certain things, a
lot of things that you can't control.
Um, that, that definitely helped.
And I, I don't know if that comes from me being the youngest
of three where I didn't really.
Get my way for a lot of things.
You know, I'm, I don't get to choose what's for dinner.
I might've been the baby of the family and got, you know, my way.
But when it came to speaking and like, you know, hey, I, I was such
an easygoing, just go with the flow, but I was also able to observe.
And in the game of baseball, I've always observed, you know, riding
that wave like I played with emotion.
I, I enjoyed it.
I had fun, I played with passion.
But you know, it's the other side of the game where you struggle and.
You can't act like that doesn't happen.
But, you know, knowing that you, you gotta ride that wave.
and and for me it was just easy knowing that, man, if I can just go out here
and play this game and, and know that at the end of the day whatever's meant
to be is be that, that's, that's, that's what helped me get to the next day.
'cause if you were about yesterday, trust me, I've been fourth before and
came back the next day, it is like, man, I don't know what happened.
But that's, that's, that's baseball, that's sports, that's, that's life.
Um, what happened in the past?
Not saying it can't affect the future, it doesn't have anything to do with
the future, but if you worried about that, you're not focused on today
and what's at, at what's at hand,
Sam Acho: Cliff, you want to, you want to ask.
The next
Clif Marshall: Yep.
Yep.
So, um.
Jay, Hey, just watching you train again and being around you, uh,
as you were making your climb to the major leagues, right?
Um, you're not the biggest guy in terms of height and stature, right?
I would guess you to be, what, around five foot eight maybe.
I don't know what they list you at.
Maybe you're a little taller than that, but my point is.
You were never the biggest athlete, high school, college, or in the major
leagues, but I always like to say it's not the size of the fight in the dog.
It's the size of the dog in the fight.
And you had that.
Where did that come from?
Josh Harrison: So I gotta stop you first.
I'm not five eight, I'm six two.
No,
no, no.
But when kids used to ask me, how tall are you?
I be like, six two.
No, you're not.
But, but, but no, um, no, it, the, the fact that you said that I, I
grew up, as I said, with my two older brothers, Vince and Sean, and, uh,
I even said it in my announcement thing, you know, all the block shots,
you know, uh, strikeouts, you know, I played against both of my brothers.
They four and a half and seven and a half years older than me.
So as a younger brother, I was always smaller.
But then.
I got amongst my peers.
I didn't realize I was smaller.
Like, you know what I mean?
Just 'cause I was playing against my older brothers.
But, um, at the same time, uh, I started playing T-ball at three.
The reason that I, I, I played at three is 'cause my mom coached, they wouldn't
let me play unless my mom coached.
'cause when they took me out, they was like, he's too small.
And my mom's like, trust me, he can play.
And the only way that they let me play was for her to coach.
I.
But she's always said something to me when I was little, was big, don't mean bad.
So, so when you say that, granted I had two older brothers, but you know,
my mom was my first coach at three and she always said big don't mean bad.
Clif Marshall: Wow.
I like that.
Sam Acho: What did that instill
in you hearing your mom say that message to you at such a young age?
Josh Harrison: That right there was enough to know that I don't care how
big you are, how small you are, like if you got the will to want to do it.
I mean that's, that's how I took it was I don't care how big, hey,
I've been, as you said, cliff, my whole, whole life, whole career.
I've probably been, if not the smallest, one of the two smallest on the team.
But if you would've asked me or anybody who played probably the
biggest on the team, I've gotta be one.
And it's not from a standpoint, I think it's just how I carried myself.
Just 'cause.
I got two older brothers, it ain't nothing you can do to me
that they haven't, you know?
And then my mom said, just 'cause you big don't mean nothing.
And as I got older, they say the bigger they are, the harder they fall.
Sam Acho: Oh.
That's so good.
So big don't mean bad.
You're five eight.
At least claiming six, two maybe.
I don't know what, I don't know.
I would say somewhere in the range, maybe under, I don't know where we at.
I don't know where we're at exactly,
Josh Harrison: eight was spikes.
Sam Acho: Okay.
With, oh, with spikes.
5, 6.
Coach, coach Ft.
Josh Harrison: Five, six and a half.
Five, six and a half,
Sam Acho: five, six and a half, but a two time MLB All-Star.
What was it like finding out the first time you made the All-Star game?
Josh Harrison: man, 1 1 2 time Allstar.
That's a blessing.
Um, never set out to say I want to be an Allstar this for that.
But granted, I had been an all star at every level I've been.
So it was never a surprise to me, maybe to other people, but I never did
anything for anybody else's approval.
Um, it was always for my own beliefs and my own thoughts, but
um, I can remember my first one.
It was 2014 and I made my debut in 2011.
That means it took three years, but not just three years.
When I say it took three years.
11, 12, 13.
I didn't really play like I was the 25th man on the bench,
barely getting 200 at bats.
And that's why I said it helped to have an uncle who played 11 years, coach for 40.
Having my brother who's coaching pro ball at the time, you know, 'cause
I'm voicing my frustrations as man.
Everywhere I've gone, I've played like, and not just played, I've
exceeded and ball, you know, single aa, aa, all star, every level.
I get to the major leagues and it's like I'm not playing.
But then when I do play, I.
Hey, you got one start this week or once every week?
Oh, go pinch it.
And I'm like, man, I've never done this in my life.
It's a lot of, it's a, it's an adjustment.
And I remember that 2014 season, it's like two weeks into the season, I don't
have a start yet talking to my brother.
And he is like, man, just got a feeling.
We, we are gonna be laughing at this at the end of the season.
Like, man, just stay ready.
Keep doing what you're doing.
Like, it's nothing like stay ready.
You know, nothing changed from what we've done the past three years.
You gonna get your, you gonna get your shot.
I thought my shot was gonna come Easter Sunday.
That was my first start.
Two hits.
We had a brawl with the brewers benches cleared.
I can remember after my first hit, you know, the benches cleared.
You know everybody out there and I'm like, Hey, come on
man, let's get this game going.
Like it's my first start.
Like, hey, already, you know, already got a hit.
I'm trying to get another one.
But hey, hey, if anybody wanna get active, we can get active, but I
know ain't nobody trying to fight.
I'm trying to play.
So I get two hits and I don't start the next day.
I think I go another week without a start.
Somebody ends up getting hurt, I end up popping in.
And long story short, never looked back.
It's all star selection Sunday.
We already know Andrew McCutchen going 'cause he's having an outstanding year.
And Clare Hurler goes, uh, yeah, we got three all stars this year.
Coach.
That's without a doubt.
We had another one of our relievers, Tony Watson, who I came up in the minor
leagues with, who was dealing too.
He's like, oh yeah, yeah.
He goes, his third one, uh, well deserved.
And, uh, I was actually, I think Mike Mathey, the National League coach,
selected me as like the utility guy.
When they said me, I was like, know, everybody was like, yeah.
And I'm like, dang, I'm, I'm sitting there like.
I gotta call home.
Like I, you know, like, mom, dad, um, the All Star game is in Minnesota.
I just got called.
I they go, what?
Oh man.
Like, yeah, we gotta get you granny.
My brother's in like Morgan.
I call him, it's Sunday.
You know, they a couple hours behind.
So you know, if our game's at one, they tell us at 1130, so
it's probably 8 30, 9 o'clock.
What's up bro?
Hey, remember you told me we was gonna be laughing at the end of the season?
Yeah.
We ain't gonna be laughing.
We ain't gotta wait.
I'm a and he like, no, like he, my brother Vince wasn't able to make it 'cause he
was coaching, but like, you know, when I say it was a blessing, I came into
that season not playing for three years.
Get my opportunity.
Getting a chance to play injuries happen and then, you know, boom,
in a matter of an instant boom.
And, uh, you know, the rest was history.
But, uh, like getting that, I wouldn't even say getting that call.
It was in a locker room, I found out when the team found out.
Sam Acho: Hmm.
Josh Harrison: So it, it, it was cool.
Sam Acho: Hmm.
Jay, you talk about it happening, happening in a matter of an instant, but
I wanna talk about those three years, even the time in the minor leagues.
Like what was it like before you finally got a chance to get a chance?
Josh Harrison: I had be lying if I said it wasn't miserable.
You know?
'cause you, we, we all from, at this point, you come up, you go to middle
school, you go to high school, you go to college, you everywhere you've gone.
You've been an everyday player.
And not only that, you've been one of the guys and it wasn't
a humbling experience for me.
'cause as I said, I, I've been humble my junior year humbled me.
We'll get to that.
But, um, I can remember, as I said, I'm outperforming people that are
getting an opportunity ahead of me.
Oh, we're gonna send you down to Triple A.
Okay, that's fine.
But like at 1,200 13, I got sent down five times before July.
And usually when you get sent down it would be, Hey, go work on this.
Go work on that.
You know, you having trouble with the slider, we wanna see you do that better.
Or Hey, we need you to do better defensively, so go whatever the case is.
They're giving you something to work on.
And I got to 2013 and when I tell you I got option five times before
July, I don't know if you know how options work when you have an option.
That means throughout the season, 162 games they can send you between
the minor leagues and the major leagues as many times as they want.
Without, you know, Hey, you can come up tomorrow, we'll use you for one game.
Hey, you know what, we gotta somebody we're gonna send you back down.
And that happened five times before July.
Clif Marshall: Hmm.
Josh Harrison: And I'm like, man, I'm outperforming people.
But at the same time, like, you know, I'm staying the course, I,
I got my uncle, my brother, Hey, keep doing what you're doing.
It's 29 other teams.
But I can remember like being in AAA 2013, after that fifth
time I got sent up for one day.
I remember I pinch it.
They send me back down the next day and you get three days to ee the team when
you get sent down, and I never did.
But after the third time, after the second time, the third,
fourth, and fifth time, I said.
I'll meet them on the third day.
I mean, granted, I live in Cincinnati.
AA was Indianapolis.
I could wake up the same day, you know, on day three.
You know, we ain't talking about Jesus on the third day, like
not, but, but on the third day, like, okay, if I gotta be there today, BP starts
at two, I'll leave the house at 10 30, 11, get to the stadium at one, and I'm there.
But it was also me sending a message like.
Man, I'm the ultimate team guy.
Ultimate team player.
You've never heard me complain.
Never done anything.
I've done everything that y'all asked and more, but at some point, enough is enough.
And I remember going to my AAA manager, dean, trainer at the time.
I can't make this up.
I go, Dino, get me outta here.
Like I, I love being a pirate.
Like I, these are my guys at Triple A.
But this, I said, every time I go up, I don't play.
They want and when I come up I might pinch hit and then they send me down.
I said, is that their way of seeing me as a pinch hitter?
I say, if they don't want me, there's 29 other teams that
I know somebody will use me.
Like this is me just speaking in confidence to my AAA manager at the time.
And you know, he was somebody that at the time I didn't spend
much time in the MI minor leagues.
Like most people spent five, six years.
I spent like two and a half, three years, but I was between
two different organizations.
So like I was only in one place for one full year.
Everything else, I was half a year here or there, even aaa.
But Dino was one that was that liaison and I'm like, Dean, every
time they sent me down, like they never said, go work on this.
You know what their message was to me when they sent me down, go do what you do.
We know you're gonna do it.
So I'm like, why am I being sent down?
So when you say, how was it?
Oh, it sucked because it's like I'm being sent down for, for nothing.
But I was also a guy that, as you say, you get three options.
I was able to be sent down other people that they sent down, they
would've had to taken off the roster and somebody could have claimed.
So there, there, there's roster things involved, but it's like, hey, at the end
of the day, I'm outperforming this dude.
You can let this dude go.
You know, that's, that's personal.
But at the same time.
You know, that, that's also understanding the business.
Um, but it, it was frustrating having to sit around for three
years and wait for that opportunity.
But, you know, I never let it deter me from, you know, going about
my work and being ready for when that opportunity presented itself.
'cause, you know, everybody's gonna get an opportunity per se, but, you know,
might not be as big as somebody else's.
But one thing I wasn't gonna do is let it slip through my fingers.
Sam Acho: Hmm.
Clif Marshall: Jay?
Hey, just hearing your story, you know, uh, I think of commitment, right?
You were committed to the process even when you were sent down to the
minors time and time again, even when you were in high school and you get
to the last month of your senior year and you have zero division one offers.
I just think of how you went from that moment.
To making the Major League Baseball All Star game.
And I think that a lot of it is in life.
It's 10% of what happens and 90% of how you respond.
In other words, it's the event plus the response that's gonna equal the outcome.
And I think you said it earlier, you controlled what you could control,
which is your attitude and your effort, and that's what it's all about, man.
So any young listeners.
Any, anybody just in general, we can all learn from Jay Hay's story.
Now, I do wanna ask you, Jay Hay, obviously you had a great memory of making
the All-Star game, but aside from that, what is your greatest memory in baseball?
Josh Harrison: My greatest memory in baseball, um, if I was to let
other people speak for me, they gonna say Probably my rundowns.
You know, that, that, that, that's like, you know, something
that goes on every year.
Oh, 10 years to the day, you know?
Um, but, but honestly.
One of my most special moments to me.
Um, and I've had some cool ones.
Uh, like the Rich Hill moment was cool, breaking up a perfect game
with a, with like a home run, um, walk off home run that, that, that
or no hit or that, that was cool.
But honestly, man, I think I've had maybe seven or eight walk off hits in my career.
And my very first career walk off hit in 2012 was on Mother's Day.
And my mom and grandma were there.
Clif Marshall: Oh
Josh Harrison: And Oh, it, it was a getaway day.
My, my wife was there too.
She wasn't pregnant.
We were engaged at the time.
But, um, like I remember, uh, I hit the walk off in the rain, you know,
I get interviewed on the field.
I got like the shave, you know, like the whipped cream, like it's a picture
of me, and my mom, you know, I'm in a tunnel with my grandma and them after
the game, before we catch a flight.
But like, for me, been a part of a lot of things.
But to have like one of my walk offs, my very first walk off to be on Mother's Day
and like my mom and grandma to be there, that's kind of one of my favorite ones.
Sam Acho: Why, why was that your favorite one?
Josh Harrison: Well, my mom was my first coach.
Clif Marshall: Wow.
Josh Harrison: But
also, you know, it's cool to do things in front of, in front of family,
you know, um, but I thought it was cool for it to be Mother's Day.
And my grandma lives in Lexington, Kentucky.
She really ain't traveling nowhere.
So for her to be there, my mom to be there, it's like, oh, it was cool.
My first walk off hit 2012 when I wasn't playing every day either.
So you gotta think.
They were showing up at games that I probably wasn't even playing in.
Clif Marshall: Hmm.
Josh Harrison: So, so for me to take that, my first career walk off of
2012 when I wasn't playing every day Mother's Day, both of them to be
there, my mom being my first coach.
That's kind of cool.
Sam Acho: That's so awesome.
Clif Marshall: Well, let me, oh, go ahead, Sam.
Sorry
Sam Acho: what you, you talked about some of the highs, but on this
podcast we talk about some of the
lows as well.
Talk about overcoming adversity and you mentioned your junior year.
Um, what happened junior
Josh Harrison: that was my junior year, I think.
Got me prepared for, for everything.
Um, my freshman and sophomore year, I remember as you, as you said, no offers
going to my final month of high school.
And you backed that up to go my freshman year, freshman All
American at uc, um, followed up by going to sophomore, sophomore
year, had another grade campaign.
Went to the Cape Cod, which is the most prestigious college
bat league at the time.
Um, then come back to my junior year and I started the fall with a hernia,
had surgery, missed a lot of the fall.
Um, so it was a little delayed there.
And preseason is all talks of, you know, I might be a first round or second round,
like just off of my first two years.
And to set the precedence, I came in as a freshman, as a shortstop.
My freshman year I played.
Six positions.
Second, short, third, left, right.
Catcher?
Yeah.
Catcher.
Clif Marshall: Wow.
Josh Harrison: Don't ever had to catch three games.
Emergency.
Never called a day in my life.
But, um, so as, as I've done this, I get to my junior year,
you know, oh man, first, second, rounder, whatever the title is.
And I get off to the worst start of my life, and I'm talking, some of it is
coupled by, you know, delayed in the fall.
But some of it's just, Hey, it's baseball.
You cannot expect to play this game and not struggle.
And I tell people all the time, baseball does not care about your feelings.
The sooner you fi sooner you figure that out, the better off you'll be.
But, um, like I remember, I'm talking, I'm hitting first and
second in lineup to where I'm so bad.
That they moved me to like sixth and seventh.
They like, we got, we gotta just to clear your head.
And not only that, they've moved me to second, second base full time.
When they go, Hey, scouts wanna see you play second.
I'm like, okay.
The times that I've played in the past have just been okay, somebody been hurt.
I'm just kind of flowing through the first, it's 52 games in college.
Dude, the first 26 games, I think I was hitting maybe 200
with maybe like 12 to 13 errors.
The errors was throwing errors, turning double.
It was just everything was, I didn't practice at second base in the fall.
Everything I was learning on the fly, it was boom.
And I remember, so my favorite Bible verses one Peter five, six,
and it says, humble yourselves, therefore in the God's mighty hand
that he may lift you up in due time.
I took that as.
Even to this day, it's my, it is inscribed on all of my gloves.
I, I wear wristbands that it's inscribed on my wristbands.
Um, and it was more of a thing, not that I wasn't humble, but you know, you hear, oh
man, being person, oh, that makes sense.
You know, I'm not that I was feeling myself, but it's like I was expecting
myself to, to get off to this start where it's like I'm the man on the team.
Like if like we, we struggle and I'm like, I'm taking a person, like we
losing 'cause I ain't doing my job.
Which I mean, realistically we were, but.
mean, no, I'm, I'm just being honest.
Um, but, but at the same time, it's not really me.
You know what I mean?
I, I had to get out of that and I kid you not, I found that Bible verse from that
moment on, when I tell you my worries, everything went away so much to the point.
I started the season over 10 at the University of Miami, Florida.
They were preseason ranked number one by uncle.
Who was down there for spring training and came to see us play, I tell you, I
go, oh, for 10, I can't make this up.
And we lose.
They're preseason number one.
We lose the first game and the third game by like one or two.
And I'm like, man, if I just got a hit here or there, you
know, I hit some balls decent.
And I remember I'm oh for 10, talking to my uncle after the game before we leave.
You know, I'm, Hey, I'm crying.
Like this is the first weekend I've ever not gotten a hit.
I'm 19, 20 years old, never gone a weekend without getting a hit.
I'm oh for 10.
You know what my uncle said to me?
He goes.
You plan on playing pro ball, right?
Go.
Yeah.
He said, this ain't gonna be your, this ain't gonna be your last O for 10.
But he goes, he goes, take the positives, keep having good at bats.
See where you fi.
You know what I mean?
But like he goes, this ain't gonna be your last O for 10.
If you want to keep playing fast forward we go to Louisville.
I have a week where I go 10 for 10.
In the season, we lose to Louisville, the Big East Championship by like two runs.
We didn't get a at large bid.
We still got the school record for wins with 39.
But I say all that to say when we go at the end of the season, the end
of the year banquet at the Big East Tournament, big East Player of the Year.
I was Kobe, big East Player of the Year with Chris Dominguez after
starting the beginning of the season where it was like, you know what?
This dude might be coming back for his senior year.
I never thought that, but you know, those are things that can really happen.
But telling you, so when I went through the ringer, I'm talking yes.
Some of, some of my joy was, I don't wanna say it was taken away, but the pressures
of me feeling like I had to do this one was like, Hey, whatever's meant to be
is being, and it's all on God's timing.
Clif Marshall: Man, baseball.
Josh Harrison: That was, that was my junior year.
Clif Marshall: Sam, I know football teaches you a lot
about life through adversity.
Um, but Jay, I gotta tell you, my son's 10 years old and he's a baseball player
right now and he is playing travel.
And about a month ago, I.
He was in a baseball tournament where he went like, oh, for 12.
Oh, for 14, and I drove him home afterwards from this tournament and
he's in the backseat of my truck and he's just crying hysterically,
just upset about his performance.
And something told me, cliff, you need to take your phone and videotape this.
So I did.
I took my phone and I videotaped him crying and obviously had the
conversation with him that, you know what?
Just gotta keep showing up like you did right.
And keep battling.
And literally a week later they were in the championship game up in Indianapolis
in this huge tournament, and the championship was on the line and he was
at bat and he gets a walk off double to win the game, to win the championship.
And I also had that videotaped and I put the video of him crying.
Seven days later, him hitting the walk-off, uh, double
to win the championship.
And I did that for him to teach him that this isn't gonna be the last time you face
adversity, especially if you play baseball and you just gotta keep showing up.
Just like Josh Harrison did all those times at Cincinnati Bearcat and throughout
his MA Major League baseball career.
Josh Harrison: No, that that's right though.
'cause literally what you said, that's, Hey, granted younger, you know, they
gotta wait a week till they played.
But imagine yourself being in the major leagues.
You go, oh, for four with four strikeouts.
Guess what?
You worrying about that tomorrow you gonna go o for four, for four sharks A gear?
You know, I, I, I've had, I, I've literally had I think two
stretches of like o for 20.
So, so when my uncle said O oh for 10, I mean, I got the O for 20 and I'm like.
Yeah, I'm the worst player in the, you know, at the time.
I'm like, man, and then you get your first hit, you know,
it happens to a lot of people.
You get the first and guys are like, gimme the ball.
Like it's your first hit and guys are laughing.
They'd be like, why you ask for the ball?
Like man, I was o for my last 20.
And your teammates be like, you were meaning it's bigger of a deal
to you 'cause you, but the O for 20 is really not that big in the
grand scheme, you know what I mean?
But we make it that big 'cause we tie it to results.
When, how many of those O for four, you know, out of those 14,
he probably hit some balls hard.
Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.
Josh Harrison: You know what I mean?
So that's where this game is like, it's, it's so tough.
'cause most sports and things, you get result oriented.
And sometimes baseball is the one that's like, you like results, but sometimes the
result might not be the true telltale.
'cause if you hit a line drive like you did what you were supposed to,
you know, like you just didn't get rewarded and.
Trust me, you play long enough and you get enough of those, you're gonna have
a couple times like, nah, I'd rather do everything wrong and get rewarded.
Like, you know what I mean?
You, you, you hit 10 line drives and you see your teammate come up and
you know, he done stepped out the way and accidentally checked, swung, and
the ball and went and got a base hit.
And you're like, God, why can't you know?
You know, you start seeing guys go God, and it's like, hey, it wasn't meant to be.
Sam Acho: But I do have a question though.
How do you
get, and this is just, like I said, I, I played football, right?
I played baseball one year.
I was a guy in my fourth grade that would close my eyes to try to swing.
I was at second base and they hit a ball, hit me in the, in the hand or the head
somewhere, and I was like, no, I'm done.
Take me off the field.
I, you know, I had a fantasy baseball team.
It was about as far as I went.
Um, but, um, how do you get out of a slump?
Josh Harrison: I, I'll be honest, I, I can't really say how to get out
of one, but like realistically, you.
Same what Cliff has said.
You just gotta keep pushing.
But like sometimes we put ourselves in more of a slump trying to chase a
result, which is what I was saying.
Like, you know, he was upset, he didn't get a hit.
He probably would've been like, man, I'll go up there and bat with my hands the
other way if it mean I'm gonna get a hit.
Like, you know what I mean?
And it's like, but in the grand scheme of things in the long run,
is that really beneficial for you?
So sometimes getting out of a slump is just staying the course.
Like that's, it's a, it's a lot of uncontrollables.
Now there, there are times in a slump where it's like, oh yeah, you're in a
slump 'cause you're not seeing the ball.
Or you're not like, but like nine times out of 10, hey, you gotta look.
Don't look at the result.
You know?
'cause sometimes the result is not what it really is.
You just gotta, you know what the process, if the process was there,
just continue to trust it, which is what we say trust the process.
Sam Acho: Hmm.
That's so good.
Uh, I want to transition us.
Josh Harrison: The.
Sam Acho: We talked about the ups, talked about the downs, talked about family, uh,
but I want to talk about your teammates.
Who has been your favorite teammate to play with and
why?
Josh Harrison: I've had, I've had, I've had some great teammates, honestly.
I have man.
Um, but, uh, man, it might be Kutch like, like Andrew McCutchen, um, just from a
standpoint, like he and I, we still talk.
That's my dog.
But, uh, like I, I, I know.
There were things we were able to do for each other, playing alongside to
where like, I mean, Kutch is Kutch, like he was a five time all star.
Um, you know what I mean?
For, for the first nine years he was there, he was MVP, and uh,
you know, I don't know how it is in football and basketball, but
as I said, I was traded over.
I come to the major leagues, I don't know anybody when I say I don't know anybody.
I don't know anybody 'cause I wasn't in spring training in big
league camp with these dudes.
So when I made my debut, I'm walking in the clubhouse with 23 other guys
that I've seen, you know, we've seen in passing just from me coming to
be an extra body in training camp.
But like I.
Nobody to be like, oh yeah, hey, hey J hey, what's good man?
Let's go grab some breakfast.
Or like, like, I don't know anybody.
So from the time of getting there and to see how he
responded, Hey, what's good bro?
You good?
Hey, alright.
Hey, the picture thrown tonight, like, not that he took me under
his wing, but it was just like, dang, my locker was next to his.
And then, you know, that relationship just grew.
Um, you know, we got to a point to where 2014, every time he had
an RBI, he was driving me in like like we, we caught ourselves.
Soul Train.
Our handshake was the high five.
Like, if, if you watch the, whenever I hit a home run or he hit a home run,
we come at home play and we do the, ah, that like we, that was, and it
was a thing of like finding somebody that played with the same joy as you.
Like, you know what I
mean?
It's like, and that's why our team was good.
'cause if you got.
A bunch of guys that are playing free and loose like getting after it.
But it's like, bro, we having fun that those are the people you wanna play with.
'cause that's like being in the backyard.
And, and, and I think, I think vice versa, I was able to help him relax
'cause he didn't feel he had to do all of the, trying to get everybody relaxed.
'cause that's just naturally what I do.
But also think.
You know it.
That's just who I am.
So it also allowed me to come into a space to where I was able to be me.
So wherever I went from there, I mean, I was always gonna be me, but to not
really know anybody and then just hop in, you know, they could have looked
at me like, man, you wearing number 62?
Who is you?
Clif Marshall: Hmm.
Josh Harrison: I'm, I'm the new offensive guard for the Steelers.
I just came over here.
That's, that's, that's why I'm in number 62.
But, you know, um, just, just one of those things where it's like
when you can find somebody that has kind of helped you get to that next
level, whether it be bro, him, he literally helped me in Tony Washington.
We got named for the All-Star Game.
That story that I was telling you, Tony Watson found out that morning too, and
he was like, Hey, I got y'all, man.
This is so you wanna get to, it's like, alright, cool.
Yeah.
He said, yeah, the team gonna make sure we fly out there.
Hey Ku, we just following you bro.
Just tell us what, you know what I mean?
And it's, it's a lot of things behind the scenes that, you know, it's
bigger than baseball, especially when you got your family involved.
Not only that, uh, it's more than just me and t like his wife.
My wife still talk, his parents, my parents, um, you know, we all got kids.
They grew up together, you know, kind of around the same age.
So it's one of those things where, you know, he's just won a name.
A lot of guys from Pittsburgh, Pedro Avarez.
Now, you know, t Pedro, IEZ, Jordy, Mercer, Jordy's, my dog too, me and him,
we were salt and pepper up the middle.
Every, every, every time we turn to double play, they play salt and pepper.
So like, that's just, just a few people that I can name off the top of my head.
But I've had some, some cool teammates, man.
Clif Marshall: I've gotta ask you, Jay.
Hey, born and raised in Cincinnati, Ohio.
I know when you were with the Pirates, you would always come back to
Cincinnati and you would play against the Reds at Great American ballpark.
What was it like running out on that field in front of your friends and family?
Josh Harrison: Exciting.
Um, and once again, just a blessing for everything to come full circle.
Um, you know, as I said, my parents able to come see me in
Pittsburgh, you know, see my family.
But, uh, for those that weren't able, you know, it was still cool to, I think not, I
don't think I know one game they had, uh.
It was actually like Josh Harrison day where they brung like my high
school baseball team on the field.
My mom, dad coaches,
granted I was a visit, granted I was a visiting player, but they had a
Josh Harrison day where my team was on there, and it was just like, man,
for, you know, it, it just brung something back to me to where it's
like, you know, it's bigger than me.
Um, granted, I've always felt that way when I was out there playing.
It was always more than just representing myself.
You know, I took pretty much parts of me and all my loved ones, Whitney, I.
But, um, as you said, you can't take everybody with you, so to be
able to come here and, and, and, and put on for 'em was, was definitely
something I didn't take lightly.
I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence that my only
multi home run game came here.
Only career, multi home run game.
Came a great American in the second home run, tied it up in like the ninth
inning, you know, like family up in the crowd right above, you know, so
it's like, Hey, if I'm gonna do it anywhere, I would love to do it at home.
And it was cool.
Clif Marshall: Well, let me ask you, uh, as we finish up here, um,
Josh, I think, uh, the one thing that I think about with you and Sam
both is that, you know, I lived.
You know, my, uh, joy through watching you play, right?
If you stepped up to the plate and you hit a home run, like, man,
I'm going crazy watching it on tv.
When Sam played in the NFL, he got a big sock as a strength and conditioning coach.
I'm going crazy because.
In some indirect way.
I feel like I played a small part in that.
So watching you throughout your 13 years as a major league baseball
player brought me so much joy.
Um, and I just want to commend you because the way you went about it, right?
The story that you share today about how you had to hustle for everything, right?
I know that they use that word a lot with you as they described
you as a ma, major League baseball
Josh Harrison: they, they, they, they made shirts.
I wore number five in Pittsburgh that said hustle, but the s was a five
with, with my beard character on.
Yeah.
There, there was, I mean, I mean, I mean, and you said my most memorable
moment walk off hit, but I, I mean, not that I forget about it.
Which I do just 'cause it came natural to me.
But I mean, one of my favorite awards is being the Hard and Hustle award winner
of the whole major leagues in 2014.
So, you know what I mean?
It's like I didn't get that just off of like, oh, I, I got it.
No, I, I just play hard.
I play hard, I play smart.
But, um, you know, as you said, it just kind of comes with the territory,
not taking anything for granted.
Sam Acho: Hmm.
Clif Marshall: Well,
Josh Harrison: yeah, that, that resilience, I mean, I spoke on it and
I mean, I didn't really get to get, to get into it even in my big league
career, but I mean, two broken hands, 96 miles an hour torn UCL in my thumb from
stealing the bag torn semi tendon in my hamstring that they had to cut out.
So, but my junior year of, as I said, going back to that Bible verse and all
that helped me in that time, you know, obviously to know that whatever was
meant to happen is meant to happen.
Clif Marshall: Well, not, not only, uh, Josh watching you as a
player, but also watching you as a husband, watching you as a father,
watching you as a follower of Christ.
That's what I'm most impressed with and that's why, you know, I just, uh,
you know, think the world of you and the journey you've been on, and I just
pray in your next chapter, uh, you'll continue to have influence, continue
to have success, and keep sharing your story, brother, because it is so impactful
and so many people need to hear it.
Sam Acho: Hmm.
I will say this, Josh, before we let you go, there's a comment that
you made about halfway through the podcast and that stuck with me.
You said, and it might've been the year where you made the All Star team, but
you said, baseball will never define me.
Clif Marshall: Mm.
Sam Acho: Mind
you, 13 years.
Two time Allstar walk off Homers ending, uh, amazing rundowns,
uh, uh, ending no hitters.
But you said baseball will never define me.
What will define you?
Josh Harrison: My legacy, I get off the field, you know.
Helping people and just showing up, being a good friend, being a good
person, being a good father, being a good husband, um, and not that baseball.
I, I know it comes with the territory people.
Oh, Josh Harrison, who played baseball, but like, I don't, I don't
want that to be the definition.
Oh no.
I, I used to joke all the time, like, you know, people, like, what
do you do wanna do when you're done?
I said, I wanna be normal.
You know, I, you know, I, you know, we go on the road a lot
and we eat at different places.
I like to eat at mom and pop shops 'cause you know, it's like home.
But you know, I walk in and, oh, I got a table for you.
What would you like?
You know, sit down and I order.
And you see, hey there, go Bill And Jen, Hey, what's go, you know, they've
been there for 40 years and it's like, that's a sense of normalcy that is like.
Regardless of what they do or what their occupation is, that's just showing
up and being present in the moment.
And not being a CEO or being this like your occupation is
your occupation, but it's so much more to life than what that is.
And
that was pretty much what I wanted to get across was I love
what I do playing this sport, but
it ain't gonna have me in a mode where you see me out here and it's like,
that's the end all be all for me.
You know where to, to where my emotions and stuff are tied
to my success on the field.
Sam Acho: hmm.
And then last one for me, you've said this in your retirement post,
you also said it at the beginning of the podcast, it's Britney season.
What is, what does Britney season look like?
Josh Harrison: I dunno.
It, it involved me being.
A little bit of volleyball coach, uh, you know, drop off and pick up
at, at dance practice volleyball.
Um, all the things that she had to, you know, use her gas for now,
I guess I'm using my gas money and getting the mileage on my car.
Sam Acho: Awesome.
Awesome, man.
Well, uh, Josh, thank you so much for not only your legacy on.
On the mound or on the in, in the ballpark.
Um, but just the joy you played with.
Like, I'm a guy who played with a lot of joy and even, like I said, just
watching you, like you're always, you always have a smile on your face, but
it doesn't mean you didn't go through some hard times, you know what I mean?
Like,
you almost like brushed over, it's like, yeah, 96 miles per hour and
a broken hand and a this, and it's like, but you still played with joy
and there's something to that.
Josh Harrison: And.
Sam Acho: who you may never, ever, ever, ever meet, watched you and are
watching you, were watching you, and are still watching you and saying,
man, I wanna play like Jay Hay.
So
on behalf of Yeah, go ahead.
Go
Josh Harrison: No, no, no.
I, I appreciate it.
And what I was gonna say, not to cut you off, but I just didn't wanna lose
my train of thought when you say that.
Just another shout out to my mom.
I got some dope parents, my, my mom, my, my dad, big Vince, and my mom Bonita.
Um, love 'em dearly.
But, uh, even then when I was, I can remember, as I said, talking
to my uncle and my brother.
My mom, she flat out told me too, and I remember she had said, listen
to Kirk Franklin song, smile.
'cause no matter what I smile.
But she said one thing, don't ever let him take your joy.
So you saying that, my mom always said, even though you, she said, I know.
I know.
It's tough.
But that's part of it too.
It's just always, you know, having somebody that can keep
you grounded, you know, and she don't ever let 'em take the joy
Sam Acho: Well, you didn't, you never didn't, cliff.
Go ahead.
Say something.
Clif Marshall: Yeah, I think joy, you know, it's Jesus first,
others second, yourself third.
And I think you've lived your life like that, Josh.
And I think for our listeners out there, like in order to have joy, I think we
have to have those three things in check.
It's Jesus others.
Yourself.
That's, that stands for Joy.
Sam Acho: Hmm.
And you lived it?
Josh Harrison: Hey, I'm gonna use that.
Sam Acho: Yeah.
Josh Harrison: Don't hold against me.
But I like that.
Clif Marshall: I, I, I st I stole it.
I stole it.
I think that the basket,
Josh Harrison: Well, it ain't gonna be mad at me for recycling it.
Clif Marshall: right?
Just recycle it.
I think I gotta give credit to the, uh, to the Baylor basketball coach.
Um, I think that the Baylor basketball team.
Actually uses that, um, within their team dynamics.
And so, uh, that's kind of where I got that from.
Sam Acho: Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, Josh, on behalf of myself, cliff Marshall, and everybody
listening, thank you so much for joining the Sam Macho podcast.
For everyone listening, go to sam macho.com,
uh, to listen to this episode and so many more.
And make sure to go and follow Josh Harrison as he's in his Brittany season.
Uh, follow him as he goes on the next journey.
Man, it's been such a pleasure getting to know you, Josh, and
I'm so excited for everyone who is getting to listen to this podcast.
We can't wait to see you soon.
Josh Harrison: Appreciate y'all having me.