1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,449 Ray Catania: And I'm like, no guys, I'm fine. 2 00:00:01,490 --> 00:00:02,689 I'm, I'm absolutely fine. 3 00:00:02,690 --> 00:00:03,340 I feel great. 4 00:00:03,340 --> 00:00:05,130 In fact, did anybody see the light? 5 00:00:05,140 --> 00:00:06,040 Did anybody hear the voice? 6 00:00:07,125 --> 00:00:09,615 And they start looking at me and start thinking, well, you 7 00:00:09,615 --> 00:00:11,185 know, is this guy on drugs? 8 00:00:11,185 --> 00:00:12,185 What is he talking about? 9 00:00:13,125 --> 00:00:16,194 So I shut that up right away before I wound up in the 10 00:00:16,195 --> 00:00:18,765 wrong hospital where the one where you can't get out. 11 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:25,059 Rod Bland: My guest today is Ray Catania, an author, 12 00:00:25,299 --> 00:00:28,369 a metaphysical teacher, and he's a near death 13 00:00:28,389 --> 00:00:29,469 experience survivor. 14 00:00:29,479 --> 00:00:32,329 Ray, welcome and thanks for coming on the show today. 15 00:00:33,059 --> 00:00:34,419 Ray Catania: Rod, I can't thank you enough. 16 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,729 I am honored and grateful to be here today with you. 17 00:00:36,949 --> 00:00:37,379 Thank you. 18 00:00:38,324 --> 00:00:39,204 Rod Bland: Oh, you're most welcome. 19 00:00:39,534 --> 00:00:43,414 So, I'd like to start with some background of what your 20 00:00:43,424 --> 00:00:46,594 life was like growing up, and then can you tell us about 21 00:00:46,594 --> 00:00:47,614 your near death experience? 22 00:00:48,429 --> 00:00:48,939 Ray Catania: Sure. 23 00:00:49,139 --> 00:00:51,699 If we go back to the beginning, uh, my childhood, 24 00:00:51,739 --> 00:00:54,989 unfortunately, wasn't, um, you know, perfect. 25 00:00:55,059 --> 00:00:59,239 It was, a home that was let's say angry. 26 00:00:59,459 --> 00:01:00,029 A lot. 27 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:03,309 And there was a lot of anger as well as arguments 28 00:01:03,309 --> 00:01:04,669 and things of that nature. 29 00:01:05,269 --> 00:01:09,329 Um, sometimes it would put me in a position where I 30 00:01:09,329 --> 00:01:13,049 would try to hide and get away from the things that 31 00:01:13,049 --> 00:01:15,049 were transpiring actually. 32 00:01:15,109 --> 00:01:20,339 And when I did that, um, I would isolate myself for hours 33 00:01:20,339 --> 00:01:25,744 at a time, sometimes as long as five or six hours where I 34 00:01:25,744 --> 00:01:29,964 would just, um, you know, kind of be in a meditative state. 35 00:01:30,004 --> 00:01:33,254 I don't know that at the time, of course, but I'm just kind 36 00:01:33,254 --> 00:01:35,764 of staring at the blank wall. 37 00:01:36,054 --> 00:01:39,964 And when you do this seven days a week, six hours a 38 00:01:39,964 --> 00:01:44,924 day, you can start to see the energy that makes up the wall. 39 00:01:45,314 --> 00:01:48,584 And this will come into play later. 40 00:01:49,004 --> 00:01:56,454 Um, as I get older, I sort of push the envelope, if 41 00:01:56,454 --> 00:02:02,654 you will, when it comes to my own safety and I acted 42 00:02:02,654 --> 00:02:06,384 out in a, in a self sabotage type way because I came 43 00:02:06,384 --> 00:02:10,554 from chaos and coming from chaos, that's what I learned. 44 00:02:11,044 --> 00:02:14,964 And when you learn that, You repeat it, right? 45 00:02:15,484 --> 00:02:19,464 So I'm repeating what I see now as, as I'm getting older, 46 00:02:19,464 --> 00:02:22,684 if there's no chaos around me, I feel uncomfortable, 47 00:02:22,794 --> 00:02:27,454 which is strange in that, in those moments, that was 48 00:02:27,454 --> 00:02:28,854 perfectly normal for me. 49 00:02:29,464 --> 00:02:34,164 So I would do things to put myself in a place of 50 00:02:34,624 --> 00:02:35,774 where I could lose my life. 51 00:02:35,934 --> 00:02:39,394 Um, and I would up the ante and up the ante and, uh, 52 00:02:39,434 --> 00:02:40,774 see how far I could push it. 53 00:02:41,304 --> 00:02:45,984 And it was at the age of 20 when I had my actual NDE. 54 00:02:46,474 --> 00:02:47,874 There was a fire in my home. 55 00:02:49,004 --> 00:02:50,854 I was still living at home with my parents. 56 00:02:51,274 --> 00:02:54,374 The kitchen was directly below my bedroom. 57 00:02:55,064 --> 00:02:57,904 And what had happened was is the stove was leaking 58 00:02:57,904 --> 00:03:01,664 gas and the gas was leaking up into my room. 59 00:03:01,874 --> 00:03:04,314 So I was inhaling the fumes of the gas. 60 00:03:04,789 --> 00:03:07,319 We don't really know how many hours, but it was many hours. 61 00:03:07,769 --> 00:03:11,009 And in the morning, my mom came down to just turn 62 00:03:11,009 --> 00:03:13,739 on the stove and I guess there was some sort of a, 63 00:03:14,179 --> 00:03:16,449 uh, mini fire explosion. 64 00:03:16,459 --> 00:03:19,809 It was nothing that was really big or harmful to the house. 65 00:03:19,839 --> 00:03:22,999 There was a very small fire that I think my father 66 00:03:22,999 --> 00:03:24,549 said he put out right away. 67 00:03:25,509 --> 00:03:27,279 That wasn't what affected me. 68 00:03:27,279 --> 00:03:29,679 What affected me was the gas that was rising. 69 00:03:29,739 --> 00:03:31,299 Uh, for, for hours. 70 00:03:31,299 --> 00:03:33,749 And I was breathing that in, not knowing. 71 00:03:34,109 --> 00:03:37,229 So the fire trucks and the police come to the house and 72 00:03:37,229 --> 00:03:40,289 I hear all this commotion and I go to get out of bed. 73 00:03:41,039 --> 00:03:43,589 And this is when I noticed something is seriously wrong 74 00:03:43,789 --> 00:03:45,469 because I cannot move my legs. 75 00:03:46,099 --> 00:03:47,979 I couldn't get my head off the pillow. 76 00:03:48,329 --> 00:03:51,519 It almost felt like my head weighed a thousand pounds and 77 00:03:51,519 --> 00:03:52,589 it just wasn't going to move. 78 00:03:52,809 --> 00:03:53,849 And I couldn't yell. 79 00:03:54,564 --> 00:03:58,464 So I know that I've got to get out of this bed. 80 00:03:58,574 --> 00:04:00,684 I know there's something seriously wrong with me. 81 00:04:00,724 --> 00:04:01,784 I don't know what it is. 82 00:04:02,234 --> 00:04:04,464 Furthermore, I don't know what's happening downstairs. 83 00:04:05,464 --> 00:04:09,414 So one of the parts that worked was my right arm. 84 00:04:09,414 --> 00:04:11,514 And what I did was I grabbed the edge of the 85 00:04:11,524 --> 00:04:15,284 bed and I pulled myself to try to get out of the bed. 86 00:04:15,664 --> 00:04:18,784 And each time I would pull, I'd make it a few inches 87 00:04:18,834 --> 00:04:22,984 and then I would Go back, I would pass out and then 88 00:04:22,984 --> 00:04:24,954 they would make more noise downstairs and it would wake 89 00:04:24,954 --> 00:04:27,324 me up again and jolt me and I, I would, I was like, I 90 00:04:27,374 --> 00:04:28,334 got to get out of this bed. 91 00:04:28,684 --> 00:04:30,764 I'd pull myself a little bit more and 92 00:04:30,764 --> 00:04:31,784 then I would pass out. 93 00:04:32,294 --> 00:04:35,224 The third time I knew if I didn't get out of this 94 00:04:35,234 --> 00:04:36,734 bed, I was going to die. 95 00:04:37,654 --> 00:04:40,724 So I pulled with everything I had, I got to the edge of 96 00:04:40,724 --> 00:04:45,504 the bed and I began, I fell out of the bed face first. 97 00:04:46,134 --> 00:04:51,244 But before I hit that floor, I did not feel myself 98 00:04:51,314 --> 00:04:52,624 ever hitting that floor. 99 00:04:52,624 --> 00:04:53,824 I never felt pain. 100 00:04:54,074 --> 00:04:57,764 I never felt the, the impact because by that 101 00:04:57,764 --> 00:05:02,064 time I was already out of my body and I was looking 102 00:05:02,074 --> 00:05:05,944 down at it from the corner of the room and I was 103 00:05:05,954 --> 00:05:08,014 looking at my lifeless body. 104 00:05:09,454 --> 00:05:10,804 Colors were more vivid. 105 00:05:11,849 --> 00:05:18,359 It, the room was completely, um, more vibrant, if you will. 106 00:05:19,449 --> 00:05:24,439 And there was this tremendous cone shaped white light, 107 00:05:25,389 --> 00:05:27,289 um, that was shining on me. 108 00:05:28,359 --> 00:05:35,459 This light contained in it an energy that I cannot explain 109 00:05:35,459 --> 00:05:40,499 to you, but I can tell you it was so euphoric that I never 110 00:05:40,499 --> 00:05:41,809 wanted to leave that light. 111 00:05:42,864 --> 00:05:46,074 There was no pain, there was no suffering, there 112 00:05:46,074 --> 00:05:48,784 was nothing but euphoria. 113 00:05:49,764 --> 00:05:53,454 At the end of the light was a being, I don't know male or 114 00:05:53,454 --> 00:05:57,994 female, I'm not, I, I don't know, uh, they said it's okay 115 00:05:57,994 --> 00:05:59,244 to come into the light, right? 116 00:05:59,244 --> 00:06:00,784 It's okay, come into the light. 117 00:06:01,274 --> 00:06:02,064 And so I did. 118 00:06:03,034 --> 00:06:06,364 And each time I got a little bit further, I felt 119 00:06:06,374 --> 00:06:11,964 more euphoria, I felt more relaxed, I felt better, um, 120 00:06:12,574 --> 00:06:14,134 I felt fully encompassed. 121 00:06:14,929 --> 00:06:17,419 In love, as strange as that sounds. 122 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:22,429 And at this moment, I'm still able to see what's 123 00:06:22,429 --> 00:06:23,509 happening in the room. 124 00:06:24,139 --> 00:06:27,479 My father comes in and he scoops me up from the floor 125 00:06:27,479 --> 00:06:29,419 and now he's screaming for the paramedics. 126 00:06:29,749 --> 00:06:30,579 You get upstairs. 127 00:06:30,609 --> 00:06:32,249 My son, my son, get upstairs. 128 00:06:32,249 --> 00:06:33,379 And he's distraught. 129 00:06:35,459 --> 00:06:37,319 Now we didn't have a great relationship to 130 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:39,259 say the least, however. 131 00:06:40,974 --> 00:06:50,284 In that moment, I saw another side of him that I thought was 132 00:06:50,284 --> 00:06:51,774 what I always wanted from him. 133 00:06:52,334 --> 00:06:54,824 I probably one of the few times he hugged 134 00:06:54,824 --> 00:06:56,964 me was the time when I was dead on the floor. 135 00:06:58,014 --> 00:07:03,424 And I think that that is what made me ask the being 136 00:07:04,944 --> 00:07:06,074 if I could go back. 137 00:07:06,814 --> 00:07:07,084 Rod Bland: Hmm. 138 00:07:07,634 --> 00:07:09,654 Ray Catania: And I said, I can't leave my dad like that. 139 00:07:11,114 --> 00:07:12,414 I can't leave my dad like that. 140 00:07:14,394 --> 00:07:16,614 The next thing I knew I awoke. 141 00:07:17,164 --> 00:07:18,644 I was not in that room anymore. 142 00:07:19,079 --> 00:07:23,269 I was on the living room floor on my back and the paramedics 143 00:07:23,579 --> 00:07:26,879 had all their equipment and they were working on me. 144 00:07:28,049 --> 00:07:30,689 And I came out of it and I was like, guys, what, whoa, what 145 00:07:30,689 --> 00:07:31,489 are you, what are you doing? 146 00:07:32,459 --> 00:07:32,979 What are you doing? 147 00:07:32,999 --> 00:07:34,909 And, and they're talking like, you know, get 148 00:07:34,909 --> 00:07:35,699 the ambulance up here. 149 00:07:35,699 --> 00:07:36,609 We got to get this guy in. 150 00:07:36,609 --> 00:07:38,379 We got to, and I'm like, no guys, I'm fine. 151 00:07:38,419 --> 00:07:39,619 I'm, I'm absolutely fine. 152 00:07:39,619 --> 00:07:40,269 I feel great. 153 00:07:40,269 --> 00:07:42,059 In fact, did anybody see the light? 154 00:07:42,069 --> 00:07:42,969 Did anybody hear the voice? 155 00:07:44,054 --> 00:07:46,544 And they start looking at me and start thinking, well, you 156 00:07:46,544 --> 00:07:48,114 know, is this guy on drugs? 157 00:07:48,114 --> 00:07:49,114 What is he talking about? 158 00:07:50,054 --> 00:07:53,124 So I shut that up right away before I wound up in the 159 00:07:53,124 --> 00:07:55,694 wrong hospital where the one where you can't get out. 160 00:07:56,734 --> 00:07:59,144 So I just let them do their thing. 161 00:07:59,504 --> 00:08:05,294 Um, Oh, it was, I was more concerned with the fact that 162 00:08:05,294 --> 00:08:08,464 I had urinated all over myself because apparently that's what 163 00:08:08,464 --> 00:08:11,304 you do when you die and I was more embarrassed about that 164 00:08:11,324 --> 00:08:13,384 than anything else and I'm trying to tell them about the 165 00:08:13,394 --> 00:08:16,554 light and the voice and I'm like, guys, really, I'm good. 166 00:08:16,584 --> 00:08:17,084 I'm good. 167 00:08:17,084 --> 00:08:18,534 And they're like, no, you're not good. 168 00:08:18,674 --> 00:08:20,104 And they took me away. 169 00:08:21,834 --> 00:08:30,904 So, and I try to tell my mom this happened. 170 00:08:31,374 --> 00:08:34,494 She was clearly in a state of denial. 171 00:08:35,214 --> 00:08:38,544 I come from a Christian background and I rebelled 172 00:08:38,544 --> 00:08:41,894 against that because of the things that transpired. 173 00:08:42,234 --> 00:08:45,284 And I chose that I was going to be an atheist. 174 00:08:45,534 --> 00:08:48,304 And that's what I was at the age of 20. 175 00:08:49,214 --> 00:08:53,374 Um, so I proceed to tell her and she says, 176 00:08:53,384 --> 00:08:54,194 that's not what happened. 177 00:08:54,194 --> 00:08:55,024 That's not what happened at all. 178 00:08:55,034 --> 00:08:56,174 That nothing like that happened. 179 00:08:57,194 --> 00:09:03,144 Now, when the book came out, I had a heart to heart 180 00:09:03,144 --> 00:09:07,944 conversation with her in which she admitted not only that 181 00:09:07,944 --> 00:09:10,324 it happened, but it actually happened three more times on 182 00:09:10,324 --> 00:09:12,794 the way to the hospital that I had to be resuscitated. 183 00:09:14,704 --> 00:09:19,774 Um, now I understand, I have no resentment because 184 00:09:20,184 --> 00:09:23,874 if Your child died on your watch, that would be 185 00:09:23,874 --> 00:09:26,994 traumatic enough to put yourself in a state of denial. 186 00:09:27,204 --> 00:09:30,474 There's parts of my tra traumas that I don't remember. 187 00:09:30,564 --> 00:09:32,894 There are certain segments that are 188 00:09:33,044 --> 00:09:34,244 blanked out, if you will. 189 00:09:34,304 --> 00:09:35,444 I just can't recall them. 190 00:09:35,854 --> 00:09:38,014 And I'm sure those were the really bad moments, and this 191 00:09:38,014 --> 00:09:39,004 was one of those for her. 192 00:09:40,254 --> 00:09:43,314 But, um, it was just last year or two years ago at 193 00:09:43,314 --> 00:09:46,644 the age of 82 when she said, yeah, I, I do remember that. 194 00:09:46,644 --> 00:09:48,624 It was the scariest moment in my life. 195 00:09:49,394 --> 00:09:49,934 So. 196 00:09:52,419 --> 00:09:58,119 wHen I returned from the hospital, the feeling goes 197 00:09:58,119 --> 00:10:02,779 from euphoria to like a bomb goes off inside your body 198 00:10:03,479 --> 00:10:07,299 because all the little aches and pains that you have that 199 00:10:07,299 --> 00:10:10,299 you kind of discard your brain just pushes them aside. 200 00:10:10,539 --> 00:10:13,039 Maybe you broke something many years ago and it didn't 201 00:10:13,049 --> 00:10:16,289 heal properly and now you have a little arthritis when 202 00:10:16,289 --> 00:10:18,709 it, you know, acts up when it rains or something like that. 203 00:10:18,729 --> 00:10:23,249 Well, all those little pains are magnified by 10. 204 00:10:23,954 --> 00:10:28,624 And it feels literally like your body just blew up and 205 00:10:28,624 --> 00:10:30,184 it's the most painful thing. 206 00:10:30,644 --> 00:10:32,574 And all I wanted to do is go back to the light. 207 00:10:33,294 --> 00:10:34,644 I never had that relationship. 208 00:10:34,654 --> 00:10:36,124 My father, I was looking for. 209 00:10:36,394 --> 00:10:37,604 Now I have the pain. 210 00:10:37,804 --> 00:10:39,524 Now I have the emotional distress. 211 00:10:39,974 --> 00:10:41,384 All my traumas are back. 212 00:10:41,434 --> 00:10:43,964 What the heck did I choose this for? 213 00:10:44,444 --> 00:10:45,564 I want to do over. 214 00:10:45,684 --> 00:10:46,924 I want to go back to the light. 215 00:10:49,244 --> 00:10:56,834 So at the age of 20 not fearing death is not a good 216 00:10:56,834 --> 00:10:58,174 thing for a 20 year old. 217 00:10:59,504 --> 00:11:04,114 Um, so I would put myself in more and more 218 00:11:04,114 --> 00:11:06,914 precarious situations where I could potentially die. 219 00:11:08,374 --> 00:11:13,504 And every single time I was in a situation where I could 220 00:11:13,514 --> 00:11:19,544 die, there was the being who told me how to get out of 221 00:11:19,544 --> 00:11:20,854 that particular situation. 222 00:11:21,124 --> 00:11:26,744 Instance, I started working for some pretty bad people. 223 00:11:27,944 --> 00:11:28,904 I didn't fear death. 224 00:11:30,794 --> 00:11:35,924 One time there was a shootout in the bar and I hid under 225 00:11:35,924 --> 00:11:39,094 the bar and I was hoping that nobody remembered I was there. 226 00:11:39,824 --> 00:11:42,684 And the being says, side door, side door, side 227 00:11:42,684 --> 00:11:44,314 door, side door, side door. 228 00:11:45,144 --> 00:11:46,664 I can't get to the side door. 229 00:11:46,834 --> 00:11:48,434 They're going to see me if I go to the side 230 00:11:48,434 --> 00:11:51,904 door, but I've learned to listen to this being. 231 00:11:52,104 --> 00:11:55,184 So I go out the side door and I run, and I 232 00:11:55,184 --> 00:11:57,284 ran down the corridor that you have to run to. 233 00:11:57,284 --> 00:11:59,314 And I went out the next door right there. 234 00:11:59,754 --> 00:12:01,994 And my car was parked there that night. 235 00:12:02,134 --> 00:12:04,354 And in all the years I had worked there, I never 236 00:12:04,354 --> 00:12:05,244 parked my car there. 237 00:12:06,244 --> 00:12:08,684 I don't know what made me park there that particular night. 238 00:12:10,884 --> 00:12:12,584 There was another time when I was very young. 239 00:12:13,629 --> 00:12:17,279 And I was swimming in the ocean and the undertow was 240 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:19,349 pulling me back, pulling me back, pulling me back. 241 00:12:19,609 --> 00:12:20,499 And I couldn't get out. 242 00:12:22,029 --> 00:12:24,399 And I, and I'm trying to wave to the lifeguard and he's not 243 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:26,689 seeing me cause he's looking completely the other way. 244 00:12:26,929 --> 00:12:30,279 And I'm about to go under and I'm thinking, this is it. 245 00:12:31,209 --> 00:12:31,749 This is it. 246 00:12:32,619 --> 00:12:33,599 I'm starting to panic. 247 00:12:33,599 --> 00:12:34,719 My heart starts to beat. 248 00:12:36,399 --> 00:12:44,489 The being, calm down, take your time, swim on an angle 249 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:48,039 and take as much time as you need to get to shore. 250 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:51,749 It's the undertow that took me out. 251 00:12:52,029 --> 00:12:53,379 I would never have known. 252 00:12:54,099 --> 00:12:55,989 To swim on an angle and that's how you're 253 00:12:55,989 --> 00:12:56,939 supposed to get back. 254 00:12:56,999 --> 00:12:58,639 But apparently that is correct. 255 00:12:59,284 --> 00:13:00,074 And that's what I did. 256 00:13:00,074 --> 00:13:03,364 I just relaxed and it took me a long time to swim to 257 00:13:03,364 --> 00:13:11,664 shore, but I got there alive again, um, I've probably 258 00:13:11,664 --> 00:13:14,994 had eight or nine of those instances where this being 259 00:13:15,004 --> 00:13:16,144 has been there for me. 260 00:13:19,744 --> 00:13:22,684 so I learned just to listen to them or her or they, 261 00:13:23,604 --> 00:13:27,344 um, they've never presented themselves in a physical body. 262 00:13:27,934 --> 00:13:33,894 I believe them to be a spirit guide, um, above fourth realm. 263 00:13:33,894 --> 00:13:35,774 If we, if we're going to call this one the third, 264 00:13:35,774 --> 00:13:37,764 because most people do, I'll go along with that. 265 00:13:38,004 --> 00:13:39,024 Here's the third realm. 266 00:13:39,024 --> 00:13:39,914 The next one's fourth. 267 00:13:39,914 --> 00:13:41,354 I believe they're at the next level, which 268 00:13:41,354 --> 00:13:41,954 would be the fifth. 269 00:13:42,514 --> 00:13:44,774 And that's, I think, where your spirit guides come from. 270 00:13:45,914 --> 00:13:49,664 They have a shape of more of like an orb and it's 271 00:13:49,684 --> 00:13:51,284 just a circle of energy. 272 00:13:51,284 --> 00:13:53,514 Not quite a circle, but more of like an orb. 273 00:13:53,514 --> 00:13:55,544 And I'll tell you more about how I know that later. 274 00:13:56,634 --> 00:14:04,134 So basically I'm going through this life, not caring if I 275 00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:06,904 die, not worrying about if I get, I just want to get back 276 00:14:06,904 --> 00:14:09,204 to that light, but I'm not going to take my own life 277 00:14:09,554 --> 00:14:14,404 because You know, when you do come back, you have this 278 00:14:14,434 --> 00:14:19,084 liberating feeling where many of the things that 279 00:14:19,084 --> 00:14:22,514 you worried about before just become so benign. 280 00:14:23,804 --> 00:14:27,004 They don't really make that much of a difference anymore. 281 00:14:27,014 --> 00:14:28,304 You don't really care. 282 00:14:28,304 --> 00:14:30,084 You learn to not care. 283 00:14:31,374 --> 00:14:34,194 And, It was a couple of years later that I moved 284 00:14:34,194 --> 00:14:36,324 out and I was getting my first apartment. 285 00:14:36,434 --> 00:14:37,894 And I remember I was all psyched and it's 286 00:14:37,954 --> 00:14:38,544 going to be great. 287 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:39,434 We're going to have parties. 288 00:14:39,434 --> 00:14:41,494 We're going to have chicks and this is going to be awesome. 289 00:14:42,174 --> 00:14:46,254 And what happens is I could see energy before, but now 290 00:14:46,254 --> 00:14:47,974 I cross over, come back. 291 00:14:48,224 --> 00:14:50,574 Well, they came back with me. 292 00:14:51,284 --> 00:14:54,094 And when I came home to that apartment, that apartment was 293 00:14:54,094 --> 00:14:55,314 already filled with people. 294 00:14:56,374 --> 00:14:57,854 I don't see them with my eyes. 295 00:14:57,854 --> 00:15:00,274 I don't hear with my ears because then 296 00:15:00,274 --> 00:15:01,334 I'd be schizophrenic. 297 00:15:01,394 --> 00:15:02,274 It's all here. 298 00:15:02,454 --> 00:15:05,914 It's third eye, but this room is filled and I 299 00:15:05,914 --> 00:15:08,624 can see the lines going across the white walls. 300 00:15:08,974 --> 00:15:11,384 I could see the little movements out of the corner 301 00:15:11,384 --> 00:15:18,364 of my eye and I can feel them pushing my insides. 302 00:15:20,094 --> 00:15:22,254 Well, needless to say, I could not sleep. 303 00:15:23,224 --> 00:15:26,079 I had the worst case of insomnia That I've 304 00:15:26,079 --> 00:15:27,149 ever had in my life. 305 00:15:27,649 --> 00:15:30,559 So I turned to drugs and alcohol like any other 306 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:37,069 smart 22 year old would do and really abused 307 00:15:37,299 --> 00:15:39,949 any product I could that would put me to sleep. 308 00:15:40,149 --> 00:15:42,249 And so I did not hear and see them anymore. 309 00:15:43,119 --> 00:15:45,879 Told no one because no one's going to believe me. 310 00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:48,499 Nobody believed me about the near death. 311 00:15:48,499 --> 00:15:49,719 No one's going to believe me about this. 312 00:15:51,019 --> 00:15:53,589 In just one time I was on the phone with one of my 313 00:15:53,589 --> 00:15:56,289 friends and I said, Hey, I think my house is haunted. 314 00:15:56,769 --> 00:15:57,139 Click. 315 00:15:58,384 --> 00:15:59,034 I called him back. 316 00:15:59,034 --> 00:16:00,164 I said, why'd you hang up on me? 317 00:16:00,164 --> 00:16:01,404 He goes, I didn't hang up on you. 318 00:16:01,774 --> 00:16:03,524 I said, okay, well, I don't know what happened. 319 00:16:03,534 --> 00:16:04,894 We're on a landline now. 320 00:16:04,904 --> 00:16:06,374 This is back in the days of landlines. 321 00:16:06,794 --> 00:16:09,944 And I said, Well, uh, what I was saying was, I think 322 00:16:09,944 --> 00:16:11,294 my place is haunted, Klik. 323 00:16:13,194 --> 00:16:17,584 So they would mess with anything they could that was 324 00:16:17,594 --> 00:16:22,294 electric in that house to maintain my focus on them. 325 00:16:23,564 --> 00:16:25,004 I think I'm losing my mind. 326 00:16:25,234 --> 00:16:27,804 I'm trying to hold on to these atheistic beliefs. 327 00:16:27,804 --> 00:16:28,354 You know why? 328 00:16:28,384 --> 00:16:29,294 Because they're easier. 329 00:16:30,169 --> 00:16:31,709 I don't have to process this stuff. 330 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:33,259 I don't have to overthink it. 331 00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:36,719 Uh, I can just put it in a box and put it away. 332 00:16:37,119 --> 00:16:39,989 So what I do with my NDE, since no one believed 333 00:16:40,009 --> 00:16:42,629 me anyway, I said, well, the light that came 334 00:16:42,659 --> 00:16:44,679 through the white light was probably the sun. 335 00:16:44,729 --> 00:16:47,139 I probably fell on the floor on a sunny day. 336 00:16:47,379 --> 00:16:48,889 The light came through the window. 337 00:16:49,229 --> 00:16:51,879 I was stoned out of my mind from breathing in the 338 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:53,869 gas for hours and hours. 339 00:16:53,909 --> 00:16:56,149 And that's, I hallucinated and I chalked it up 340 00:16:56,149 --> 00:16:58,179 to that, it away. 341 00:16:59,469 --> 00:17:01,849 But now this insomnia, these. 342 00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:04,979 Beings is getting a little harder to deny. 343 00:17:05,589 --> 00:17:08,939 I've left that place in 10 months thinking I'm 344 00:17:08,939 --> 00:17:09,869 going to get another place. 345 00:17:09,909 --> 00:17:10,679 It's going to be different. 346 00:17:10,679 --> 00:17:11,379 It's going to be great. 347 00:17:11,489 --> 00:17:12,869 We're going to have parties and we're going 348 00:17:12,869 --> 00:17:15,049 to have chicks and it's going to be phenomenal. 349 00:17:15,399 --> 00:17:16,429 And I move into that place. 350 00:17:16,429 --> 00:17:18,139 And don't you know, the exact same thing happens. 351 00:17:19,019 --> 00:17:21,389 It's not the place that is haunted. 352 00:17:21,849 --> 00:17:22,479 It's Ray. 353 00:17:22,699 --> 00:17:23,379 Ray's haunted. 354 00:17:23,609 --> 00:17:24,999 I could go to Siberia. 355 00:17:25,169 --> 00:17:26,109 They're going to come with me. 356 00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:27,989 I don't know what to do with this. 357 00:17:29,239 --> 00:17:30,289 I don't know what to do with this. 358 00:17:30,289 --> 00:17:31,359 Nobody else can see it. 359 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:32,329 Nobody else can hear it. 360 00:17:32,349 --> 00:17:33,209 I'm the only one. 361 00:17:33,209 --> 00:17:34,369 I must be out of my mind. 362 00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:37,409 More drugs, more alcohol, more drugs, more alcohol. 363 00:17:38,289 --> 00:17:41,049 That's the only way I can turn it off because I don't 364 00:17:41,199 --> 00:17:42,239 know how to deal with it yet. 365 00:17:44,829 --> 00:17:47,689 So as I approach the age of 30. 366 00:17:49,339 --> 00:17:50,979 I get married and I have two kids. 367 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:54,859 Now I have a reason for living and it's not me. 368 00:17:54,919 --> 00:17:55,629 It's them. 369 00:17:56,259 --> 00:17:58,179 I have these two tiny humans that are counting 370 00:17:58,179 --> 00:18:00,849 on me to carry them through the rest of their life. 371 00:18:01,609 --> 00:18:03,679 So I checked myself into rehab. 372 00:18:04,679 --> 00:18:08,119 Um, I, I drive, I drove myself to rehab literally 373 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,349 and just gave them my keys and said, don't let me out. 374 00:18:11,569 --> 00:18:13,199 Um, I went back to college. 375 00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:14,729 I got my degree. 376 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:18,229 I got a good job, quote unquote, in New York City. 377 00:18:18,739 --> 00:18:21,219 Um, after that I got an even better job. 378 00:18:21,219 --> 00:18:22,869 I worked my way up the ladder again. 379 00:18:23,099 --> 00:18:27,619 And I had sort of a relationship where it was 380 00:18:27,639 --> 00:18:30,179 like, okay, I'm not going to mess with you guys. 381 00:18:30,449 --> 00:18:33,369 You guys don't mess with me and let's just all get along. 382 00:18:33,979 --> 00:18:36,344 And that was fine for a while. 383 00:18:38,624 --> 00:18:42,274 So I got divorced maybe three years into the relationship. 384 00:18:42,304 --> 00:18:43,284 It wasn't very long. 385 00:18:43,284 --> 00:18:47,874 The kids were very young and, um, it was a long 386 00:18:47,874 --> 00:18:49,214 time before I dated again. 387 00:18:49,604 --> 00:18:55,564 It's a very long time, but it was about in my late forties. 388 00:18:55,644 --> 00:18:58,174 I'm at the top of my game in my career. 389 00:18:59,109 --> 00:19:02,039 Um, aside from the fact that I have these beings 390 00:19:02,049 --> 00:19:04,089 that pop up every now and they're not as intrusive 391 00:19:04,089 --> 00:19:05,769 now, they know I'm not going to talk to them maybe. 392 00:19:05,769 --> 00:19:08,879 So they're, they're just not as intrusive or I 393 00:19:08,879 --> 00:19:09,849 learned to live with them. 394 00:19:09,879 --> 00:19:15,099 I don't know which, but I decide that I'm going to join 395 00:19:15,099 --> 00:19:19,069 one of those internet sites where you meet a partner. 396 00:19:20,519 --> 00:19:23,229 And I'm viewing the different sites, choosing which 397 00:19:23,229 --> 00:19:24,489 one I'm going to join. 398 00:19:24,719 --> 00:19:28,469 And when you do that, uh, they show you some examples 399 00:19:28,509 --> 00:19:30,579 of the women that are on the sites that are in your 400 00:19:30,589 --> 00:19:33,229 area to try to get the guy to spend the money. 401 00:19:33,229 --> 00:19:33,539 Right. 402 00:19:34,669 --> 00:19:37,469 And so I'm clicking around and I I'm on this one 403 00:19:37,499 --> 00:19:39,359 site and there she is. 404 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,139 I mean, she just popped up and I was like, Oh 405 00:19:41,139 --> 00:19:43,059 my God, that's my wife. 406 00:19:43,949 --> 00:19:44,799 That's my next wife. 407 00:19:46,199 --> 00:19:48,889 So I joined the site and I sent one email to 408 00:19:48,889 --> 00:19:50,339 her one and one only. 409 00:19:50,339 --> 00:19:52,069 And I told her, I said, hi, I'm Ray. 410 00:19:52,079 --> 00:19:53,004 You're my wife. 411 00:19:53,164 --> 00:19:55,184 You don't know it yet, but this is how it is. 412 00:19:55,854 --> 00:19:57,674 And luckily she found that funny. 413 00:19:57,674 --> 00:19:59,164 I said it in a more comical way. 414 00:19:59,164 --> 00:20:02,814 Of course, she replied, LOL, you're out of your mind. 415 00:20:02,824 --> 00:20:03,814 I was like, yeah, I know. 416 00:20:04,244 --> 00:20:07,894 Um, but we started dating and currently we're married. 417 00:20:07,894 --> 00:20:11,264 We live in this house and, um, it's a pretty, pretty good 418 00:20:11,264 --> 00:20:17,044 story, but it's when I meet her that things take a change. 419 00:20:17,944 --> 00:20:23,004 And it was probably third or fourth week. 420 00:20:23,504 --> 00:20:26,444 Into our dating when we just begin getting serious. 421 00:20:26,444 --> 00:20:30,114 And she says to me, what are your spiritual beliefs? 422 00:20:30,604 --> 00:20:34,854 And I said, I don't think I have any, I have no idea. 423 00:20:35,854 --> 00:20:37,824 And she says, Hmm, that's interesting. 424 00:20:38,994 --> 00:20:41,074 She says, you know what, for your birthday this 425 00:20:41,074 --> 00:20:43,644 year, I'm going to buy you a spiritual clearing. 426 00:20:44,224 --> 00:20:46,214 And I'm like, okay, great. 427 00:20:46,574 --> 00:20:48,154 Uh, we're going to have cake. 428 00:20:48,934 --> 00:20:49,214 I hope. 429 00:20:49,804 --> 00:20:51,624 Because I don't know what a spiritual clearing is. 430 00:20:51,624 --> 00:20:54,144 I don't know what sort of thing this is or what it 431 00:20:54,144 --> 00:20:55,574 entails at this moment. 432 00:20:56,504 --> 00:20:58,064 She's like, listen, you don't have to show up. 433 00:20:58,064 --> 00:20:59,374 You don't have to do anything. 434 00:20:59,624 --> 00:21:01,854 She's going to call you, tell you when she's going to do it. 435 00:21:02,114 --> 00:21:04,134 Just don't book any important appointments 436 00:21:04,134 --> 00:21:05,564 on that particular day. 437 00:21:06,414 --> 00:21:08,874 and don't make any big life changes. 438 00:21:08,944 --> 00:21:09,714 That's what they told me. 439 00:21:09,744 --> 00:21:10,844 I said, okay, I'll do it. 440 00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:14,594 So I'm at work and the lady calls me and she says, okay, 441 00:21:14,594 --> 00:21:15,554 I'm going to get started. 442 00:21:15,554 --> 00:21:16,754 I'm like, okay, great. 443 00:21:16,794 --> 00:21:17,844 Don't book any appointments. 444 00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:19,254 Don't do any life changing things. 445 00:21:19,264 --> 00:21:21,104 It was like, I'll try to avoid that. 446 00:21:21,114 --> 00:21:21,964 Thanks a lot. 447 00:21:22,014 --> 00:21:24,124 Click cake. 448 00:21:26,094 --> 00:21:32,434 So She does the clearing and sure enough afterwards as she 449 00:21:32,434 --> 00:21:36,754 warned me, I started to feel a little woozy and I mean woozy 450 00:21:36,764 --> 00:21:41,074 like to the bathroom woozy, like almost like I felt like I 451 00:21:41,154 --> 00:21:44,114 had a drink, but I haven't had a drink in almost two decades 452 00:21:45,284 --> 00:21:49,094 and I'm like a little wobbly and I said, um, I left work 453 00:21:50,144 --> 00:21:51,894 and I said, I got a headache. 454 00:21:51,894 --> 00:21:53,564 I'm just going to go home and lay down and 455 00:21:53,564 --> 00:21:54,524 this is on a Friday. 456 00:21:55,394 --> 00:21:57,914 So Friday it begins and here's what begins. 457 00:21:58,214 --> 00:21:59,994 This man comes to me. 458 00:22:00,899 --> 00:22:04,539 This is unlike any of, this is not floating energy anymore. 459 00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:09,669 This is an actual man that I see here, not here. 460 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:15,379 And he comes to me with a message and he says, I 461 00:22:15,459 --> 00:22:17,699 effed up, I made a mistake. 462 00:22:18,059 --> 00:22:19,439 You can help her. 463 00:22:19,899 --> 00:22:20,599 I cannot. 464 00:22:23,049 --> 00:22:23,989 Don't know who he is. 465 00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:26,349 Don't know who the message is for. 466 00:22:26,539 --> 00:22:27,849 I have absolutely no idea. 467 00:22:29,589 --> 00:22:32,999 He proceeds to repeat that message probably 468 00:22:33,009 --> 00:22:36,189 every hour on the hour on Friday into Saturday. 469 00:22:38,899 --> 00:22:39,939 It's every half hour. 470 00:22:40,779 --> 00:22:44,249 And by Sunday, I can't function. 471 00:22:45,169 --> 00:22:47,279 It's every just a couple of minutes. 472 00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:50,279 I don't know exactly what it was, but I could not function. 473 00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:51,299 I could not drive. 474 00:22:51,749 --> 00:22:55,259 I couldn't do much of anything without seeing him right 475 00:22:55,259 --> 00:22:56,839 there over and over again. 476 00:22:56,859 --> 00:23:05,089 So I'm, I remember the moment I'm in a store paying for my 477 00:23:05,089 --> 00:23:06,399 goods, paying for my stuff. 478 00:23:06,399 --> 00:23:08,229 And I took out my card and I don't know what I did. 479 00:23:08,239 --> 00:23:10,169 Maybe I just froze or whatever. 480 00:23:10,739 --> 00:23:13,009 And the woman behind the counter says, sir, 481 00:23:13,049 --> 00:23:14,509 are, are you okay? 482 00:23:15,309 --> 00:23:16,809 And I said, definitely not. 483 00:23:17,789 --> 00:23:18,879 I am not okay. 484 00:23:20,509 --> 00:23:24,909 And I went out to my car and I sat in there for a moment and 485 00:23:24,909 --> 00:23:27,899 I said, okay, so this insanity that I've been fighting 486 00:23:27,899 --> 00:23:29,879 off my whole life is here. 487 00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:32,829 This is the, this is it for me. 488 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:36,029 So I started thinking about getting my affairs in order. 489 00:23:36,984 --> 00:23:40,244 I had a will drawn up at a DNR because I'm going 490 00:23:40,244 --> 00:23:42,794 back to the light and my brother had all that. 491 00:23:42,794 --> 00:23:44,674 So I just wanted to call him and make sure he had 492 00:23:44,674 --> 00:23:48,334 the stuff, you know, and because I'm preparing for 493 00:23:48,334 --> 00:23:49,994 the end, I want to make sure my children are taken 494 00:23:49,994 --> 00:23:51,784 care of everything else. 495 00:23:52,854 --> 00:23:56,914 Now I have this woman I love and I have to tell her, I 496 00:23:56,924 --> 00:23:59,604 guess here's the kicker. 497 00:24:00,574 --> 00:24:04,364 She is by trade, a doctor of psychology 498 00:24:04,404 --> 00:24:05,334 and neuropsychology. 499 00:24:05,434 --> 00:24:07,704 By trade. 500 00:24:08,644 --> 00:24:10,004 That's her day job. 501 00:24:12,434 --> 00:24:14,504 I'm going to tell this woman I hear people. 502 00:24:14,504 --> 00:24:15,734 I see people. 503 00:24:16,144 --> 00:24:17,624 She's going to just run for the hills. 504 00:24:17,834 --> 00:24:20,744 Well, I'm crazy anyway, so I may as well just tell her. 505 00:24:21,204 --> 00:24:23,464 So, she can get on with her life and maybe she 506 00:24:23,464 --> 00:24:25,474 can recommend somebody to me that can help me. 507 00:24:26,914 --> 00:24:29,084 So, I figure that that's the way it's going to happen. 508 00:24:29,974 --> 00:24:33,404 And I begin to tell her the story and I say, 509 00:24:33,404 --> 00:24:35,824 this man, he's just, he's there, he's in front of me. 510 00:24:35,944 --> 00:24:37,084 It's like right here. 511 00:24:37,324 --> 00:24:38,594 I can't not see him. 512 00:24:39,134 --> 00:24:41,584 And he says the same message and I give her the message 513 00:24:42,394 --> 00:24:45,554 and I, and I said, he's a big stocky guy and he's got 514 00:24:45,554 --> 00:24:48,854 a mustache and a beard thick and he's got thick black hair. 515 00:24:50,644 --> 00:24:53,864 And she says, Oh, well, that's probably my dad, silly. 516 00:24:55,524 --> 00:24:56,444 And I was like, what are you talking about? 517 00:24:57,164 --> 00:24:59,784 She goes, well, I've been to mediums and my dad comes 518 00:24:59,784 --> 00:25:02,084 through and he's like, they've all told me he's very, 519 00:25:02,084 --> 00:25:03,454 very strong and powerful. 520 00:25:04,204 --> 00:25:05,274 And I'm like, what's a medium? 521 00:25:06,024 --> 00:25:07,234 What are you even talking about? 522 00:25:07,834 --> 00:25:09,904 She goes, listen, you're probably a psychic medium 523 00:25:10,004 --> 00:25:10,894 and you don't even know it. 524 00:25:11,534 --> 00:25:13,064 I used to make fun of that stuff. 525 00:25:14,314 --> 00:25:16,594 I would, I would be the first one to crack a joke if you 526 00:25:16,594 --> 00:25:17,904 told me that that was real. 527 00:25:18,804 --> 00:25:24,194 And I'm like, that's not the response I was expecting. 528 00:25:24,644 --> 00:25:26,934 I thought it was going to be, here's a number to Dr. 529 00:25:26,934 --> 00:25:28,934 So and so, never call me again. 530 00:25:29,549 --> 00:25:31,689 That's what I was expecting, not what I got. 531 00:25:33,589 --> 00:25:37,089 And I said to her, I said, but the picture on the mantle, 532 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,459 isn't that your father? 533 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:39,329 And she said, yeah. 534 00:25:39,859 --> 00:25:41,239 I said, well, that doesn't look like him. 535 00:25:41,239 --> 00:25:44,539 This guy I said was big husky, had the beard, had 536 00:25:44,539 --> 00:25:46,199 the mustache, had the hair. 537 00:25:46,809 --> 00:25:49,559 And she's like, well, the picture you're looking at 538 00:25:49,569 --> 00:25:53,079 was from 20 years ago or 20 years before his death. 539 00:25:53,249 --> 00:25:55,129 So that's even longer than 20 years ago. 540 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,389 She goes, here's what he looks like on a day to day. 541 00:25:57,389 --> 00:25:58,429 And she shows me the picture. 542 00:25:58,429 --> 00:26:00,009 And I'm like, oh my God, you know that guy? 543 00:26:01,479 --> 00:26:02,479 She goes, that's my dad. 544 00:26:05,009 --> 00:26:07,939 And in that moment, I don't know what I felt. 545 00:26:07,959 --> 00:26:11,149 I felt all these different emotions in a way. 546 00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:11,829 It was good. 547 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,959 I was relieved that I'm not insane, but at the 548 00:26:14,969 --> 00:26:19,219 same time, then what am I, what is happening to me? 549 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,749 And it, and I feel like I'm way back in that 550 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:27,269 apartment when I was lost and distraught and turned to 551 00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:29,389 drugs and alcohol because I didn't know what else to do. 552 00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:35,399 So she says, let me, there's a medium coming to town 553 00:26:35,469 --> 00:26:37,039 and her name is so and so. 554 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,149 She's very, very well known. 555 00:26:39,589 --> 00:26:42,899 Um, let's make a couple of appointments with her. 556 00:26:42,899 --> 00:26:45,859 You can sit with her and you could tell her how you 557 00:26:45,859 --> 00:26:48,679 see things, how you feel things, and you guys can 558 00:26:48,679 --> 00:26:49,689 just kind of chit chat. 559 00:26:49,959 --> 00:26:51,239 And I'm like, yeah, let's go. 560 00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:51,749 That's good. 561 00:26:51,749 --> 00:26:51,804 That's good. 562 00:26:52,694 --> 00:26:55,334 I'm thinking if I make it that long, but here's the thing. 563 00:26:55,634 --> 00:26:59,414 As soon as I give her the message, it's gone. 564 00:26:59,424 --> 00:27:00,274 He's gone. 565 00:27:01,264 --> 00:27:02,834 Because that's what I was supposed to do. 566 00:27:02,904 --> 00:27:04,734 I was supposed to deliver the message. 567 00:27:04,974 --> 00:27:05,794 I did not know that. 568 00:27:06,604 --> 00:27:10,584 But as soon as I did, he's gone and I feel great. 569 00:27:11,744 --> 00:27:15,934 I'm back to this like mini high vibration, 570 00:27:16,014 --> 00:27:17,014 euphoria feeling. 571 00:27:18,504 --> 00:27:21,759 So I get more messages, however, and I give them 572 00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:24,619 to her and she always seems to know who they're for. 573 00:27:25,009 --> 00:27:26,569 And she, she knows the people. 574 00:27:28,379 --> 00:27:30,969 And I remember this one time because I'm still 575 00:27:30,979 --> 00:27:32,449 not buying this yet. 576 00:27:32,739 --> 00:27:33,209 Okay. 577 00:27:33,299 --> 00:27:36,169 I'm just still not believing it a hundred percent. 578 00:27:37,339 --> 00:27:38,959 And this guy came to me and he gave me a lot 579 00:27:38,959 --> 00:27:42,409 of personal information about, um, his death and 580 00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:45,069 it, and it was supposed to be delivered to his wife. 581 00:27:45,939 --> 00:27:47,759 And I gave it to her to deliver. 582 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,969 But at the end of the message, he said this to me, he said, 583 00:27:52,404 --> 00:27:53,774 Remember the silly shoes. 584 00:27:56,224 --> 00:27:57,114 I don't know what that means. 585 00:27:57,604 --> 00:27:59,454 I don't know what any of the message means actually. 586 00:27:59,454 --> 00:28:01,824 And I give this to her and she has dinner with the woman 587 00:28:02,164 --> 00:28:05,774 and I said, whatever you do, honey, don't tell her it's me. 588 00:28:05,894 --> 00:28:08,484 I don't want anybody to know I'm this psychic thing, 589 00:28:08,494 --> 00:28:09,444 whatever you called it. 590 00:28:09,494 --> 00:28:11,434 I'm, I don't want the neighbors finding out. 591 00:28:11,674 --> 00:28:13,744 There's no way they're going to think I'm nuts. 592 00:28:13,944 --> 00:28:15,034 Everybody's going to think I'm nuts. 593 00:28:15,524 --> 00:28:16,864 Just, just say you heard it. 594 00:28:16,864 --> 00:28:18,634 You, you talk to somebody or something. 595 00:28:18,644 --> 00:28:19,374 She says, I will, I will. 596 00:28:20,384 --> 00:28:21,854 And I said, by the way, if she says anything 597 00:28:21,854 --> 00:28:24,284 about silly shoes where she understands what that 598 00:28:24,284 --> 00:28:26,384 means, I'll be a believer. 599 00:28:27,404 --> 00:28:30,164 So she takes the message, delivers the message. 600 00:28:30,834 --> 00:28:34,924 Next day I see her and she says, Oh my God, 601 00:28:34,924 --> 00:28:37,334 Ray, you don't know what you did for that woman. 602 00:28:37,854 --> 00:28:40,194 She needed to know that information. 603 00:28:40,654 --> 00:28:42,134 She needed that closure. 604 00:28:43,554 --> 00:28:45,194 And I was like, okay, great. 605 00:28:45,234 --> 00:28:46,254 What about the silly shoes? 606 00:28:46,814 --> 00:28:48,114 Because that's all I wanted to know. 607 00:28:48,814 --> 00:28:51,094 And she goes, Oh, the shoes that was hysterical. 608 00:28:51,094 --> 00:28:54,364 She said that was their first date and he wore 609 00:28:54,364 --> 00:28:56,024 the most ridiculous shoes. 610 00:28:56,284 --> 00:28:59,074 And that was a running joke through their entire marriage. 611 00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:03,874 And now I'm just, now I got to believe this. 612 00:29:04,104 --> 00:29:06,224 I told her I would believe it if he said anything 613 00:29:06,224 --> 00:29:07,054 about the silly shoes. 614 00:29:09,604 --> 00:29:14,394 So we go to see the medium and I sit with her and 615 00:29:14,394 --> 00:29:16,144 I said, hi, I'm Ray. 616 00:29:17,004 --> 00:29:21,144 She said, she looks at me and she goes, Oh, you're that Ray. 617 00:29:21,864 --> 00:29:23,314 And I was like, Oh, what Ray? 618 00:29:23,904 --> 00:29:25,274 She goes, just tell me what's going on. 619 00:29:25,274 --> 00:29:25,674 Right. 620 00:29:26,314 --> 00:29:27,804 And I said, well, I'm losing my mind. 621 00:29:27,984 --> 00:29:28,604 I'm crazy. 622 00:29:28,604 --> 00:29:29,554 I see things. 623 00:29:29,554 --> 00:29:29,924 I see. 624 00:29:30,074 --> 00:29:34,014 People, they sometimes talk to me and I see things on a, what 625 00:29:34,014 --> 00:29:35,214 looks like a movie screen. 626 00:29:35,214 --> 00:29:37,014 And, and she's like, tell me about that. 627 00:29:37,064 --> 00:29:37,854 How does it start? 628 00:29:37,854 --> 00:29:38,764 How does it begin? 629 00:29:38,764 --> 00:29:39,624 What happens first? 630 00:29:39,624 --> 00:29:42,014 And I proceed to tell her about the vibrations and this 631 00:29:42,094 --> 00:29:45,434 and this and this leading up to the, the screen. 632 00:29:46,424 --> 00:29:49,514 And she said, she stops me and she goes, that's exactly 633 00:29:49,514 --> 00:29:51,064 the way I see them too. 634 00:29:52,394 --> 00:29:53,654 That's how we all see them. 635 00:29:54,964 --> 00:29:57,294 And I was like, okay. 636 00:29:58,794 --> 00:30:02,324 And again, a little relief, not much because I still don't 637 00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:03,164 know what to do with this. 638 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,819 And I tell her about two other types of premonitions that I 639 00:30:07,829 --> 00:30:10,289 have and she says, this one's clairvoyance and this one is 640 00:30:10,289 --> 00:30:11,349 this and that one is that. 641 00:30:11,889 --> 00:30:14,839 And she's like, that's really rare that one 642 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:16,359 guy has all of these. 643 00:30:17,609 --> 00:30:19,459 And I'm like, you know, I don't even know. 644 00:30:19,459 --> 00:30:20,439 She goes, women, yes. 645 00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:21,279 Men, no. 646 00:30:21,399 --> 00:30:23,569 And I was like, I kind of get that because my wife can 647 00:30:23,569 --> 00:30:25,319 do 46 things at one time. 648 00:30:25,589 --> 00:30:28,249 I can do two, you know, I could chew gum and walk. 649 00:30:28,309 --> 00:30:28,749 I'm good. 650 00:30:29,749 --> 00:30:31,209 Um, so. 651 00:30:31,209 --> 00:30:31,279 Cool. 652 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:38,789 She's telling me you're, you're the real deal and this 653 00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:41,499 is not necessarily what I want to hear, but it's better than 654 00:30:41,539 --> 00:30:45,799 I'm nuts, I guess, so I wanted to exchange numbers with 655 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:47,839 her and she acted, you know, she's like, Oh, I don't know 656 00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:48,959 where my business card is. 657 00:30:48,999 --> 00:30:50,809 And so I just, you know, kind of left my 658 00:30:50,819 --> 00:30:51,749 tail between my legs. 659 00:30:52,309 --> 00:30:54,049 My wife goes in next and she comes out and she 660 00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:54,879 goes, are you excited? 661 00:30:54,879 --> 00:30:55,569 Are you excited? 662 00:30:55,859 --> 00:30:57,119 And I say, excited for what? 663 00:30:57,569 --> 00:30:59,669 And she goes, she's going to work with you. 664 00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:01,109 You're going to be her mentee. 665 00:31:01,179 --> 00:31:03,389 She's going to be your mentor for the next year. 666 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:06,219 And I'm like, she didn't, she didn't want my phone number. 667 00:31:06,429 --> 00:31:08,439 And she says, yeah, well, she doesn't take students 668 00:31:08,439 --> 00:31:10,699 anymore, but she's making an exception for you. 669 00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:13,979 And she saved my life because she. 670 00:31:14,239 --> 00:31:18,689 Proceeded to tell me her story about how her parents 671 00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:21,609 did not believe her and her parents put her in 672 00:31:21,609 --> 00:31:22,479 a mental institution. 673 00:31:23,374 --> 00:31:24,734 thinking she was schizophrenic. 674 00:31:25,024 --> 00:31:27,334 So she's been fighting this, trying to explain 675 00:31:27,334 --> 00:31:29,674 that she's not crazy for most of her life. 676 00:31:29,934 --> 00:31:31,754 She totally knew where I was coming from. 677 00:31:34,184 --> 00:31:39,734 And she taught me a lot about how to control this. 678 00:31:40,304 --> 00:31:42,274 And there were moments when I said, you got to 679 00:31:42,274 --> 00:31:44,394 tell me how to make the stop, make it go away. 680 00:31:44,454 --> 00:31:45,804 I don't want this anymore. 681 00:31:46,014 --> 00:31:47,014 This is not a gift. 682 00:31:47,014 --> 00:31:48,634 This is absolutely ridiculous. 683 00:31:49,094 --> 00:31:50,544 I don't make it stop. 684 00:31:50,544 --> 00:31:51,464 Just make it stop. 685 00:31:51,464 --> 00:31:52,994 And she goes, give it two more weeks. 686 00:31:53,024 --> 00:31:54,784 And if you still decide you want it to stop. 687 00:31:55,104 --> 00:31:55,964 I'll help you do that. 688 00:31:56,494 --> 00:31:59,014 I don't even know if there was a real way to make it stop. 689 00:31:59,044 --> 00:32:00,374 She just wanted me to calm down. 690 00:32:01,724 --> 00:32:04,914 So I worked with her for a year and she did, as we 691 00:32:04,914 --> 00:32:07,784 progressed, really made me feel more confident. 692 00:32:08,454 --> 00:32:11,264 Um, she did help me turn it off and turn it on. 693 00:32:11,844 --> 00:32:17,474 And she taught me how to meet my spirit guide, the 694 00:32:17,494 --> 00:32:20,004 guide who spoke to me, the one who saved my life 695 00:32:20,024 --> 00:32:21,264 over and over and over. 696 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:25,429 And that was an amazing moment. 697 00:32:25,889 --> 00:32:34,694 I mean, meeting him, her, they, whatever, was like, The, 698 00:32:34,764 --> 00:32:36,014 one of the greatest moments. 699 00:32:36,174 --> 00:32:39,374 It was like, you know, uh, meeting Elvis or something. 700 00:32:39,384 --> 00:32:42,674 It was just, I, I just wanted to, to hug him, 701 00:32:43,254 --> 00:32:44,484 saved my life so many times. 702 00:32:44,484 --> 00:32:46,424 I want to, why, why did you do it? 703 00:32:46,684 --> 00:32:48,214 I'm, I'm not special. 704 00:32:48,584 --> 00:32:52,014 I'm, I've never done anything good for anybody. 705 00:32:53,134 --> 00:32:53,664 Why? 706 00:32:54,844 --> 00:32:56,834 And he hands me a piece of paper, not a piece of 707 00:32:56,834 --> 00:32:58,654 paper, a pad, And a pen. 708 00:33:01,554 --> 00:33:04,284 And I, I guess I got to write it, write a book. 709 00:33:04,904 --> 00:33:06,164 He's telling me I got to write a book. 710 00:33:08,674 --> 00:33:11,084 And this is how the first book comes to be the 711 00:33:11,084 --> 00:33:12,354 atheist in the afterlife. 712 00:33:12,714 --> 00:33:14,634 And it's a story of me going from atheism 713 00:33:15,144 --> 00:33:16,124 to being a believer. 714 00:33:17,304 --> 00:33:27,974 And it's that relationship led me to the next mentor 715 00:33:28,174 --> 00:33:31,074 in my life and the way we found each other. 716 00:33:31,819 --> 00:33:34,919 is another crazy story because it was my birthday weekend. 717 00:33:34,919 --> 00:33:37,939 It's one year after the year that I had 718 00:33:37,939 --> 00:33:39,069 met my first mentor. 719 00:33:39,329 --> 00:33:43,039 Um, We go away every year for my birthday and we do this all 720 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,689 the time now because something crazy always happens. 721 00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:51,159 And we went away and, um, while we were away, she took 722 00:33:51,159 --> 00:33:57,689 out a picture of her dad that the medium drew of her dad 723 00:33:57,729 --> 00:33:59,219 because he's a spirit artist. 724 00:33:59,219 --> 00:34:02,309 I looked at the photo and I was like, Oh my 725 00:34:02,339 --> 00:34:04,729 God, that's exactly the way I see your dad. 726 00:34:04,739 --> 00:34:06,689 Just like with that shirt on. 727 00:34:07,154 --> 00:34:09,684 It was like a distinctive shirt for 728 00:34:09,684 --> 00:34:12,724 that era when he died. 729 00:34:14,244 --> 00:34:17,474 So there's no mistaking that shirt, the beard, 730 00:34:17,484 --> 00:34:19,504 the mustache, the hair, the whole thing. 731 00:34:19,904 --> 00:34:21,724 And I was like, who is this guy? 732 00:34:21,744 --> 00:34:23,194 I have to meet this guy. 733 00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:27,359 And so we looked him up on the internet and it turns 734 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:29,679 out he's a pretty big deal. 735 00:34:30,259 --> 00:34:33,249 And he's the guy who teaches a lot of the people that you may 736 00:34:33,249 --> 00:34:36,099 see on television, although he's never been on TV himself. 737 00:34:36,529 --> 00:34:37,929 He has no desire to be. 738 00:34:38,319 --> 00:34:40,589 He is the teacher of the teachers. 739 00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:42,819 And I'm like, he's never, you know, this, I don't 740 00:34:42,819 --> 00:34:44,629 know what's going to happen here, but we get to 741 00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:45,849 his website and it says. 742 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:51,579 Now taking applications for a two year mentorship 743 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:53,459 program with Medium Joe. 744 00:34:55,329 --> 00:35:00,169 The deadline to apply is February 15th. 745 00:35:01,229 --> 00:35:02,369 That's my birthday. 746 00:35:04,229 --> 00:35:05,409 She says, are you going to do it? 747 00:35:05,409 --> 00:35:06,629 I said, am I going to do it? 748 00:35:06,819 --> 00:35:09,789 I said, if there's, if any of this stuff is real, that's 749 00:35:09,789 --> 00:35:11,579 a universal intervention. 750 00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:13,749 I think now I'm talking like everybody else. 751 00:35:14,964 --> 00:35:16,474 And she says, great, this is great. 752 00:35:16,634 --> 00:35:19,574 So I submit my application and it doesn't stop there. 753 00:35:19,574 --> 00:35:21,344 They send you back another application and you 754 00:35:21,344 --> 00:35:23,494 fill that out and then a bigger application comes 755 00:35:23,494 --> 00:35:24,534 and you send that back. 756 00:35:25,014 --> 00:35:28,604 And it's a long drawn out process because, and there's 757 00:35:28,604 --> 00:35:29,514 an interview as well. 758 00:35:29,524 --> 00:35:31,684 They want to know undeniably. 759 00:35:32,249 --> 00:35:34,639 That you are the real deal or you cannot get in. 760 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:38,509 This program costs thousands of dollars to get into. 761 00:35:39,429 --> 00:35:42,959 And I figured after a while when I didn't hear 762 00:35:42,959 --> 00:35:45,219 from them that I just wasn't the real deal. 763 00:35:45,409 --> 00:35:47,849 And this is, you know, I'm going back to denial. 764 00:35:47,849 --> 00:35:48,939 This is all in my head. 765 00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:55,599 And um, but I sent an email to his assistant and she 766 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,319 said, listen, bear with, bear with Joe because there's 767 00:35:58,319 --> 00:36:00,089 hundreds of applications. 768 00:36:01,219 --> 00:36:01,979 I was like, wow. 769 00:36:02,279 --> 00:36:02,719 Okay. 770 00:36:03,469 --> 00:36:04,099 And I did. 771 00:36:05,309 --> 00:36:08,309 And I remember the moment I got the email that said, 772 00:36:08,309 --> 00:36:10,219 congratulations here. 773 00:36:10,289 --> 00:36:13,369 Here's the, though, the integrity of this man. 774 00:36:14,329 --> 00:36:15,769 So you get an idea of him. 775 00:36:16,669 --> 00:36:19,299 He had hundreds of applications and this program 776 00:36:19,299 --> 00:36:20,989 costs thousands of dollars. 777 00:36:21,579 --> 00:36:23,589 And when I showed up to my first day of class, 778 00:36:24,259 --> 00:36:25,889 I was the 11th person. 779 00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:27,569 There was 11 of us. 780 00:36:27,569 --> 00:36:30,009 I don't know if I was number 11, there was 11 of us. 781 00:36:31,669 --> 00:36:32,599 That's all that made it. 782 00:36:33,094 --> 00:36:37,074 He could have taken everyone's money and really made a nice 783 00:36:37,544 --> 00:36:39,034 chunk of change for himself. 784 00:36:39,694 --> 00:36:40,064 Didn't. 785 00:36:40,974 --> 00:36:43,084 11 of us were there. 786 00:36:44,944 --> 00:36:47,094 And I was the least experienced of all. 787 00:36:47,724 --> 00:36:49,144 I, I didn't know the verbiage. 788 00:36:49,184 --> 00:36:51,284 I didn't know what anybody was talking about. 789 00:36:51,594 --> 00:36:56,714 I was just some guy with a natural ability that didn't 790 00:36:56,714 --> 00:36:58,134 go over well with classmates. 791 00:36:58,829 --> 00:37:05,179 but you know, um, it did with him and he's, I've been 792 00:37:05,179 --> 00:37:06,329 with him for four years now. 793 00:37:06,329 --> 00:37:07,519 It's a two year program, right? 794 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:09,779 I've been with him four years, took me 10 years 795 00:37:09,779 --> 00:37:10,709 to graduate college. 796 00:37:10,709 --> 00:37:12,249 So I'm like right on track with that. 797 00:37:12,919 --> 00:37:16,629 And, um, you know, he's taught me so much. 798 00:37:16,959 --> 00:37:20,709 I mean, he's taken me to a level of spirituality, 799 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,859 not just mediumship, but I mean everything. 800 00:37:23,869 --> 00:37:25,959 He's like, Ray, you've been fighting your entire 801 00:37:25,959 --> 00:37:27,609 life for everything. 802 00:37:28,109 --> 00:37:29,909 Have you ever thought about not fighting? 803 00:37:29,909 --> 00:37:31,659 And I said, well, then how will I get anything? 804 00:37:32,284 --> 00:37:34,894 He goes, you're always fighting upstream. 805 00:37:34,894 --> 00:37:36,634 You're always trying to swim upstream. 806 00:37:36,634 --> 00:37:40,054 He goes, if the stream's coming down, the fish 807 00:37:40,054 --> 00:37:41,194 are coming towards you. 808 00:37:41,444 --> 00:37:43,804 Just pick out the ones you want and let 809 00:37:43,804 --> 00:37:44,794 the other ones pass. 810 00:37:45,764 --> 00:37:47,114 You don't have to move. 811 00:37:50,344 --> 00:37:53,274 And I was like, wow, maybe I don't have to 812 00:37:53,274 --> 00:37:54,804 fight for everything. 813 00:37:55,884 --> 00:38:01,754 And then he taught me how to manifest using nothing more 814 00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:06,914 than this, and I remember the first time I tried it 815 00:38:07,424 --> 00:38:09,024 at first, I didn't try it. 816 00:38:09,034 --> 00:38:09,854 Here's what happened. 817 00:38:09,904 --> 00:38:12,394 I was stuck in between a rock and a hard place. 818 00:38:13,884 --> 00:38:16,314 I was short 10 grand for my kid's college. 819 00:38:16,314 --> 00:38:18,754 He had to, he was going away to school, living 820 00:38:18,764 --> 00:38:20,084 on campus, campus. 821 00:38:20,494 --> 00:38:24,569 Somehow I made a mathematical error of exactly 10, 000. 822 00:38:25,959 --> 00:38:29,749 So I'm embarrassed with the school and I, there's 823 00:38:29,759 --> 00:38:32,449 no way I can tell my son that he can't show up to 824 00:38:32,449 --> 00:38:33,819 school in a couple of days. 825 00:38:34,309 --> 00:38:35,589 I just need to find 10 grand. 826 00:38:36,819 --> 00:38:40,829 So I said, maybe this thing will work and you're 827 00:38:40,829 --> 00:38:42,749 supposed to do it in the morning and in the evening. 828 00:38:42,749 --> 00:38:46,299 And there's a process that we do and I explain all of 829 00:38:46,299 --> 00:38:48,969 how to do this in, in, I think it's in both books. 830 00:38:48,969 --> 00:38:50,389 It's definitely in the second book. 831 00:38:50,909 --> 00:38:54,819 Um, and I w I was doing it six times a day though. 832 00:38:54,849 --> 00:38:56,119 I wasn't doing it twice a day. 833 00:38:56,149 --> 00:38:56,949 I couldn't mess around. 834 00:38:56,989 --> 00:38:58,129 I needed to this money. 835 00:38:58,434 --> 00:39:01,304 So after six times, my mail comes very late. 836 00:39:01,304 --> 00:39:02,324 It comes at five o'clock. 837 00:39:02,324 --> 00:39:05,334 And I remember that my son had given me the mail and 838 00:39:05,334 --> 00:39:08,434 I looked through briefly and I see that I have a 839 00:39:08,434 --> 00:39:10,554 letter from my accountant and it's a big letter. 840 00:39:10,554 --> 00:39:12,824 It's like an envelope because I had just filed 841 00:39:12,824 --> 00:39:14,624 my taxes and I always owe. 842 00:39:15,384 --> 00:39:18,024 And I'm like, you, you, you don't understand universe. 843 00:39:18,084 --> 00:39:20,684 Listen, I need money. 844 00:39:21,264 --> 00:39:22,474 I don't need this. 845 00:39:23,464 --> 00:39:25,864 And I throw it aside and I get back to it. 846 00:39:26,334 --> 00:39:27,784 And I'm like, I need 10, 000. 847 00:39:27,784 --> 00:39:29,464 We are co creators. 848 00:39:29,644 --> 00:39:32,544 I know this, you, we're going to work together. 849 00:39:32,694 --> 00:39:33,624 I need 10, 000. 850 00:39:33,674 --> 00:39:35,334 I need 10, 000 now. 851 00:39:35,884 --> 00:39:40,044 And you know, I wasn't asking, I was like, I need this now. 852 00:39:41,844 --> 00:39:43,054 Next day, nothing. 853 00:39:43,124 --> 00:39:46,604 Again, nightfall comes around and I decide to 854 00:39:46,604 --> 00:39:49,504 go through the mail and I opened this envelope that 855 00:39:49,504 --> 00:39:50,434 was from the accountant. 856 00:39:51,504 --> 00:39:53,264 My accountant does it the same way every year. 857 00:39:53,264 --> 00:39:55,334 The first letter is thank you for your business. 858 00:39:55,404 --> 00:39:56,794 You owe me this much money. 859 00:39:57,144 --> 00:39:57,684 Okay. 860 00:39:58,654 --> 00:39:59,854 Next one comes out. 861 00:40:00,234 --> 00:40:03,424 It says you have overpaid the federal government 862 00:40:03,424 --> 00:40:06,234 by 8, 200 and something, something dollars and 863 00:40:06,234 --> 00:40:07,194 something, something cents. 864 00:40:09,499 --> 00:40:10,759 And I read it four times. 865 00:40:10,759 --> 00:40:11,819 You overpaid. 866 00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:16,809 That means I get a refund of 8, 200 and change. 867 00:40:17,979 --> 00:40:20,709 And I put the letter down and I took out the return, 868 00:40:20,709 --> 00:40:24,129 and another letter comes out and it says, you've overpaid 869 00:40:24,129 --> 00:40:27,849 the state of New Jersey 1,200 and something, something 870 00:40:27,854 --> 00:40:29,289 dollars and something cents. 871 00:40:29,409 --> 00:40:33,589 That's exactly $10,000, just a few dollars over. 872 00:40:34,139 --> 00:40:38,109 And I wept like a child, I dropped to my knees. 873 00:40:38,319 --> 00:40:39,879 It was there the first day. 874 00:40:40,889 --> 00:40:43,529 It was there after the fifth or sixth time 875 00:40:43,529 --> 00:40:44,459 that I had done this. 876 00:40:47,329 --> 00:40:51,269 And I, I, I'm a believer. 877 00:40:51,899 --> 00:40:52,659 to say the least. 878 00:40:54,169 --> 00:41:00,049 And so the first book, you know, is how I got to that 879 00:41:00,049 --> 00:41:04,809 position, how I, how I went from atheism to spiritualism. 880 00:41:04,989 --> 00:41:08,649 And then the second book picks up where I meet my second 881 00:41:08,649 --> 00:41:13,319 mentor and he takes me to higher and higher levels. 882 00:41:13,909 --> 00:41:17,749 And as I'm using these Techniques that he's teaching 883 00:41:17,749 --> 00:41:22,409 me because I'm a skeptic and I am a diehard skeptic. 884 00:41:22,899 --> 00:41:25,349 I have to understand the science that's 885 00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:27,049 behind the process. 886 00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:31,719 So I go back to school for metaphysics, which is where we 887 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,449 take science and spirituality and we bring them together. 888 00:41:34,989 --> 00:41:36,369 And I also studied physics. 889 00:41:36,969 --> 00:41:39,849 I studied Einstein, Niels Bohr, Tesla, 890 00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:41,439 Hubble, you name it. 891 00:41:41,729 --> 00:41:42,559 I studied them all. 892 00:41:43,694 --> 00:41:49,594 And I started to figure out what was behind the curtain. 893 00:41:49,594 --> 00:41:51,174 What makes this work? 894 00:41:51,694 --> 00:41:54,054 So I think about it and I bring it about, well, 895 00:41:54,054 --> 00:41:55,194 how does that happen? 896 00:41:56,284 --> 00:41:59,394 And I started to put these things together 897 00:42:00,504 --> 00:42:03,094 and it works because the universe speaks vibration. 898 00:42:03,104 --> 00:42:05,624 It does not speak Spanish, English, French, or any other 899 00:42:05,624 --> 00:42:06,634 language that you speak. 900 00:42:06,644 --> 00:42:07,994 It speaks vibration. 901 00:42:08,484 --> 00:42:10,504 So when you think of thought, you must 902 00:42:10,504 --> 00:42:11,774 visualize that thought. 903 00:42:13,694 --> 00:42:16,914 Say it in a positive tense that that is what you want. 904 00:42:17,789 --> 00:42:21,739 Never say, I don't want to be in debt because the visual is 905 00:42:21,809 --> 00:42:26,349 I and debt, so you're getting more debt because that's 906 00:42:26,349 --> 00:42:27,179 what you're sending out. 907 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,419 It doesn't speak English. 908 00:42:28,429 --> 00:42:33,779 Remember, I want an abundance of money where I need 10, 000. 909 00:42:33,779 --> 00:42:35,979 You say it that way repeatedly. 910 00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:40,359 You envision the 10, 000 and you send that signal 911 00:42:40,359 --> 00:42:43,119 out on that vibration. 912 00:42:44,489 --> 00:42:48,239 The earth resonant frequency is 7. 913 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:48,549 83 Hertz. 914 00:42:49,234 --> 00:42:51,884 We try to get as close to that frequency as we can 915 00:42:51,884 --> 00:42:55,384 get because the earth lives harmoniously in the universe. 916 00:42:55,634 --> 00:42:58,534 If we get there, we're harmonious with the 917 00:42:58,544 --> 00:43:01,154 earth that is harmonious with the universe. 918 00:43:01,324 --> 00:43:04,794 Now you ask, that's when you ask, that's when you 919 00:43:04,804 --> 00:43:07,484 send your out your signal and you try to stay in 920 00:43:07,484 --> 00:43:09,884 your resonant frequency for as long as you can. 921 00:43:11,174 --> 00:43:12,304 And if you can do that. 922 00:43:13,324 --> 00:43:15,524 You're going to, you're going to get what it is 923 00:43:15,544 --> 00:43:16,574 that you're asking for. 924 00:43:18,094 --> 00:43:19,204 It works like a cell phone. 925 00:43:19,214 --> 00:43:22,414 If I dial my cell phone and I dial your number, 926 00:43:22,814 --> 00:43:23,884 why do you pick it up? 927 00:43:23,884 --> 00:43:24,384 It rings. 928 00:43:24,384 --> 00:43:25,134 Why does it ring? 929 00:43:25,134 --> 00:43:28,274 Because my frequency aligns with your frequency 930 00:43:28,534 --> 00:43:31,424 and your phone rings and then we can communicate 931 00:43:31,454 --> 00:43:32,644 over that frequency. 932 00:43:33,384 --> 00:43:35,634 It's exactly like a satellite dish and a radio. 933 00:43:35,634 --> 00:43:38,694 You tune it into the right frequency and guess what? 934 00:43:38,704 --> 00:43:39,764 You get to hear the song. 935 00:43:40,034 --> 00:43:43,384 If it's off just a smidgen, you're getting static. 936 00:43:44,249 --> 00:43:45,609 So you got to be on point. 937 00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:48,899 And when you master the technique, you're going 938 00:43:48,899 --> 00:43:49,989 to keep getting stuff. 939 00:43:50,339 --> 00:43:52,349 It's just going to keep, I did it four more times. 940 00:43:52,659 --> 00:43:54,019 I was like, let me go for 24. 941 00:43:54,029 --> 00:43:55,289 Let me do whatever it was. 942 00:43:55,459 --> 00:43:56,319 I didn't abuse it. 943 00:43:56,539 --> 00:43:57,279 I really didn't. 944 00:43:57,819 --> 00:44:00,229 I did it when I needed money in an exact amount. 945 00:44:00,279 --> 00:44:01,729 I always ask for the exact amount. 946 00:44:01,729 --> 00:44:02,679 And I got the amount. 947 00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:04,709 This story is in the book too. 948 00:44:04,729 --> 00:44:05,779 This is in the second book. 949 00:44:06,989 --> 00:44:12,294 So I continued learning about science and spirituality 950 00:44:12,304 --> 00:44:16,094 and how I could put them together and I evolved. 951 00:44:16,184 --> 00:44:19,664 While I was writing the second book, I had my 952 00:44:19,694 --> 00:44:21,474 spiritual awakening. 953 00:44:21,474 --> 00:44:23,264 Now, I believe people have many awakenings. 954 00:44:23,334 --> 00:44:27,584 I had it when I I met her, my wife, and I met her father 955 00:44:28,034 --> 00:44:30,694 and, you know, there were many, many awakenings, but 956 00:44:30,704 --> 00:44:35,034 the biggest one was while I was writing that second book. 957 00:44:35,944 --> 00:44:41,194 And it was when I learned how to lose negative emotions. 958 00:44:41,754 --> 00:44:48,054 For me, my go to emotion was anger, was always 959 00:44:48,054 --> 00:44:49,084 anger for everything. 960 00:44:50,384 --> 00:44:51,924 So if I was sad, I was angry. 961 00:44:52,014 --> 00:44:53,074 If I was this, I was angry. 962 00:44:53,084 --> 00:44:56,724 Any negative emotion was instantly transmuted to anger 963 00:44:56,724 --> 00:44:58,074 because that's what I knew. 964 00:44:58,484 --> 00:44:59,284 I knew chaos. 965 00:44:59,284 --> 00:44:59,974 I knew anger. 966 00:45:01,254 --> 00:45:02,554 And I knew I had to get rid of that. 967 00:45:03,724 --> 00:45:06,944 And I started practicing techniques to get rid of that. 968 00:45:07,784 --> 00:45:10,084 I started using, uh, techniques both from my 969 00:45:10,084 --> 00:45:12,524 mentor, but also Eckhart Tolle, who suggests that 970 00:45:12,524 --> 00:45:17,614 you take yourself Out of the situation you're in and you 971 00:45:17,614 --> 00:45:20,474 look at yourself from the third person as though you're 972 00:45:20,474 --> 00:45:23,824 a director of your own life, starring in your own movie 973 00:45:24,044 --> 00:45:26,304 and you tell yourself what you want yourself to do. 974 00:45:26,824 --> 00:45:29,344 And I did it over and over and over and over. 975 00:45:29,534 --> 00:45:32,254 Even if I made the mistake, I would go back and say, this 976 00:45:32,274 --> 00:45:33,524 is the way I meant to do it. 977 00:45:33,544 --> 00:45:35,024 And I would visualize it. 978 00:45:35,064 --> 00:45:36,444 This is how I meant to do it. 979 00:45:36,674 --> 00:45:37,944 This is how I meant to do it. 980 00:45:39,784 --> 00:45:42,614 So one day something transpires where 981 00:45:42,634 --> 00:45:43,804 I should be livid. 982 00:45:44,509 --> 00:45:45,809 And I should have blew my top. 983 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,119 Nothing happened at all. 984 00:45:50,509 --> 00:45:54,029 I was driving my car and it was an expensive car. 985 00:45:54,029 --> 00:45:54,859 I just got it. 986 00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:56,309 And I thought that was a big deal. 987 00:45:56,319 --> 00:46:00,219 I don't think it's a big deal anymore, but when I bought it, 988 00:46:00,219 --> 00:46:03,259 I thought it was, I thought it was a status, a symbol 989 00:46:03,269 --> 00:46:04,329 stat, you know, whatever. 990 00:46:05,889 --> 00:46:09,099 It was silly to even think that way in hindsight, but I 991 00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:13,669 drove it into a deer and it was a snowy night and I was 992 00:46:13,689 --> 00:46:16,169 upset with myself that I had done something so stupid. 993 00:46:17,579 --> 00:46:18,849 I didn't feel the anger. 994 00:46:19,709 --> 00:46:20,749 I felt nothing. 995 00:46:20,799 --> 00:46:22,529 I felt compassion for the deer. 996 00:46:23,074 --> 00:46:24,524 Who the hell am I? 997 00:46:25,424 --> 00:46:26,674 What have I turned into? 998 00:46:28,494 --> 00:46:31,914 It's great, but I don't recognize myself anymore. 999 00:46:32,774 --> 00:46:34,024 So I get out of the car. 1000 00:46:34,594 --> 00:46:35,834 I don't even check the car. 1001 00:46:36,144 --> 00:46:39,474 I check the deer and the deer gets up and 1002 00:46:39,474 --> 00:46:40,184 we look at each other. 1003 00:46:40,184 --> 00:46:41,934 I was never that close to a deer in my life. 1004 00:46:42,004 --> 00:46:43,364 I mean, we were like nose to nose. 1005 00:46:43,989 --> 00:46:45,539 And she walks off and she's fine. 1006 00:46:46,169 --> 00:46:47,619 And I look at myself and I'm fine. 1007 00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:50,799 And I look at the car and it's trashed, but it's just a car. 1008 00:46:52,229 --> 00:46:54,539 In that moment, I realized that's nothing. 1009 00:46:56,299 --> 00:46:57,289 I'm okay. 1010 00:46:57,629 --> 00:46:58,919 The deer is okay. 1011 00:46:59,669 --> 00:47:00,929 It's just a car. 1012 00:47:02,989 --> 00:47:06,249 And that changed my whole perception of life. 1013 00:47:06,879 --> 00:47:09,809 That anger, it, it doesn't come out anymore. 1014 00:47:10,379 --> 00:47:13,439 That was the biggest awakening moment for me. 1015 00:47:13,739 --> 00:47:16,859 So I had to go back and I rewrote the book and I had 1016 00:47:16,859 --> 00:47:19,729 to put all the steps in that led up to having this 1017 00:47:19,729 --> 00:47:22,379 awakening so that I could share this with other people. 1018 00:47:22,999 --> 00:47:24,329 That wasn't my goal. 1019 00:47:24,359 --> 00:47:27,279 I walked away from my high paying job at the top of 1020 00:47:27,289 --> 00:47:29,379 my game, just walked off. 1021 00:47:29,769 --> 00:47:31,609 I said, I can't, this is not for me anymore. 1022 00:47:32,329 --> 00:47:34,069 I'm, I can't do this. 1023 00:47:35,794 --> 00:47:37,474 I am being called to help other people. 1024 00:47:37,654 --> 00:47:38,664 I have to write books. 1025 00:47:38,704 --> 00:47:39,504 You're out of your mind. 1026 00:47:39,524 --> 00:47:40,374 I know that already. 1027 00:47:41,144 --> 00:47:42,044 I know I'm out of my mind. 1028 00:47:42,084 --> 00:47:42,654 Don't worry about it. 1029 00:47:42,704 --> 00:47:43,214 I got this. 1030 00:47:44,284 --> 00:47:45,864 My boss said, I did not see that coming. 1031 00:47:45,934 --> 00:47:48,704 I said, neither did I, but no offense. 1032 00:47:48,704 --> 00:47:49,184 I got to go. 1033 00:47:50,324 --> 00:47:52,944 So I wrote both books. 1034 00:47:53,664 --> 00:47:56,719 I have a coaching practice that is successful and 1035 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:57,684 I'm grateful for that. 1036 00:47:57,974 --> 00:48:00,844 The books are doing well and I'm grateful for that. 1037 00:48:01,534 --> 00:48:03,754 Um, and there will be a third book. 1038 00:48:04,879 --> 00:48:08,509 Because I have so much more craziness to share, um, 1039 00:48:08,949 --> 00:48:11,399 and in the books, I always try to put the story of my, 1040 00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,369 what really transpires in my life, how it equates to 1041 00:48:15,399 --> 00:48:18,839 a spiritual technique and then what's under the hood. 1042 00:48:19,229 --> 00:48:20,349 What makes that so? 1043 00:48:20,429 --> 00:48:21,979 Because I don't, I don't expect anybody 1044 00:48:21,979 --> 00:48:22,759 to believe any of this. 1045 00:48:23,389 --> 00:48:24,219 I didn't believe it. 1046 00:48:24,949 --> 00:48:26,789 I didn't believe it until I figured it out. 1047 00:48:27,329 --> 00:48:31,709 So how the second book came about. 1048 00:48:32,189 --> 00:48:33,929 You're still alive now, act like it. 1049 00:48:34,789 --> 00:48:39,919 The title is, first of all, live every day as 1050 00:48:39,919 --> 00:48:40,709 though it's your last. 1051 00:48:41,299 --> 00:48:45,209 Some of the things I've done now and implemented is I never 1052 00:48:45,209 --> 00:48:47,839 let any of our children leave the house without, I tell 1053 00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:52,859 them I love them, um, my wife, my kids, and anybody who I 1054 00:48:52,859 --> 00:48:54,789 feel that way about because I don't know if there's 1055 00:48:54,789 --> 00:48:57,499 going to be a tomorrow, but I'm okay if there's not a 1056 00:48:57,499 --> 00:49:01,459 tomorrow, but I don't want to be one of those beings. 1057 00:49:02,229 --> 00:49:06,339 That comes to find a medium and has to say, I regret not 1058 00:49:06,339 --> 00:49:10,309 saying this when I was alive because I know what it's 1059 00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:14,139 like to be on that side and I don't want to be that one. 1060 00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:17,979 So I say it every day and I just try to spread 1061 00:49:18,049 --> 00:49:21,139 that love to them and anybody else who wants it. 1062 00:49:22,919 --> 00:49:24,359 I don't know who the hell I am anymore, 1063 00:49:27,689 --> 00:49:29,139 but it feels really good. 1064 00:49:29,909 --> 00:49:31,959 It feels good to lose those negative emotions. 1065 00:49:32,859 --> 00:49:33,929 And they don't come and 1066 00:49:34,099 --> 00:49:37,809 I remember I almost ran a stop sign and, and I stopped 1067 00:49:37,809 --> 00:49:40,509 at the last second and this guy, you know, he, I almost 1068 00:49:40,509 --> 00:49:43,139 hit him and he got so mad and he was yelling and yelling 1069 00:49:43,139 --> 00:49:46,459 and mother effing me up and down and almost got out 1070 00:49:46,459 --> 00:49:47,509 of the car and everything. 1071 00:49:47,509 --> 00:49:48,909 And I just started laughing. 1072 00:49:49,269 --> 00:49:51,969 I was like, Oh my God, I used to be just like you. 1073 00:49:53,819 --> 00:49:54,729 Here's my card. 1074 00:49:58,149 --> 00:50:01,209 Um, and now I just see the world in a different light, 1075 00:50:01,259 --> 00:50:03,739 how it's just so simple. 1076 00:50:04,624 --> 00:50:11,264 And, you know, we all come from this one source to 1077 00:50:11,274 --> 00:50:15,514 harm another, you're harming yourself since we are all one. 1078 00:50:15,774 --> 00:50:16,854 That is a true statement. 1079 00:50:16,944 --> 00:50:19,644 I know it's thrown around a lot, but it really is true. 1080 00:50:19,644 --> 00:50:25,834 We all come from this one energetic source and the 1081 00:50:25,834 --> 00:50:29,074 realization of that and the realization of being 1082 00:50:29,074 --> 00:50:30,744 able to lose the negative. 1083 00:50:31,374 --> 00:50:36,154 Uh, qualities that I had and having these moments 1084 00:50:36,784 --> 00:50:40,134 it's just completely changed everything for me. 1085 00:50:40,174 --> 00:50:43,034 And now I want to give that to as many other people as I can. 1086 00:50:43,789 --> 00:50:45,739 Rod Bland: you mentioned about the 7. 1087 00:50:45,739 --> 00:50:47,379 83 hertz. 1088 00:50:47,379 --> 00:50:49,879 Is that the Schumann frequency that you're 1089 00:50:49,879 --> 00:50:51,649 talking about I don't Okay. 1090 00:50:52,189 --> 00:50:57,319 And, um, you said getting into sort of vibration with that. 1091 00:50:57,319 --> 00:51:00,729 Could you briefly explain to people how go about that? 1092 00:51:02,129 --> 00:51:04,909 Ray Catania: So, uh, it's usually the very first, 1093 00:51:04,979 --> 00:51:07,109 uh, sign that I know that I'm getting a visit 1094 00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:09,989 and the vibration could be very low and deep, 1095 00:51:10,279 --> 00:51:14,359 or it can be very high and tingly, and I know if it's low 1096 00:51:14,359 --> 00:51:16,689 and deep, that it's something that's going to be serious. 1097 00:51:17,184 --> 00:51:19,844 or negative or bad or something that needs to 1098 00:51:19,894 --> 00:51:21,284 be dealt with immediately. 1099 00:51:21,604 --> 00:51:25,614 And the high tingly ones are more, uh, lighthearted 1100 00:51:26,284 --> 00:51:29,274 in, in, so to speak happier. 1101 00:51:29,444 --> 00:51:32,184 Um, now I'll tell you, I got caught. 1102 00:51:32,704 --> 00:51:35,844 A lot of mediums get caught in this trap where we react 1103 00:51:35,854 --> 00:51:38,164 to the negative ones all the time and we never go take 1104 00:51:38,164 --> 00:51:40,264 the positive ones in because we're like, well, this could 1105 00:51:40,274 --> 00:51:41,464 be something really serious. 1106 00:51:41,464 --> 00:51:43,764 What if this is like, You know, has to do with my 1107 00:51:43,764 --> 00:51:45,394 family or this or that. 1108 00:51:45,444 --> 00:51:47,934 And I, you know, you get that and it usually 1109 00:51:47,934 --> 00:51:49,524 isn't, but it could be. 1110 00:51:50,114 --> 00:51:53,464 And you let the nice ones pass you by because, well, 1111 00:51:53,544 --> 00:51:55,624 you know, that's what we do. 1112 00:51:56,444 --> 00:52:00,034 Um, which is why, you know, the news is negative. 1113 00:52:00,034 --> 00:52:00,824 Everything's negative. 1114 00:52:00,824 --> 00:52:02,454 We watch negative things on TV. 1115 00:52:02,454 --> 00:52:04,594 If the news was all positive, nobody would 1116 00:52:04,594 --> 00:52:05,984 watch it anymore, which is. 1117 00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:09,149 Not right, but it's the way it is. 1118 00:52:09,619 --> 00:52:12,509 So I learned to accept the good ones and the bad ones. 1119 00:52:12,509 --> 00:52:13,549 So the lows are bad. 1120 00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:17,749 The highs are good and interact with them, um, 1121 00:52:17,769 --> 00:52:18,899 to the best of my ability. 1122 00:52:18,989 --> 00:52:21,319 Now I had to leave mediumship. 1123 00:52:22,509 --> 00:52:25,189 I could not do it as a profession because it 1124 00:52:25,189 --> 00:52:27,259 was too taxing on me. 1125 00:52:28,179 --> 00:52:29,679 I had just found happiness. 1126 00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:33,299 I had just learned how to be happy after the 1127 00:52:33,419 --> 00:52:35,389 first 50 years of my life. 1128 00:52:35,489 --> 00:52:42,079 being, you know, anything but happy, not really 1129 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,149 understanding where happiness came from. 1130 00:52:44,529 --> 00:52:47,179 Thinking it came from material things or thinking that it 1131 00:52:47,179 --> 00:52:49,329 came from drugs and alcohol or thinking that it came 1132 00:52:49,329 --> 00:52:53,849 from something that's just so minuscule to realizing 1133 00:52:53,849 --> 00:52:56,069 and opening up for the first time and understanding 1134 00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:57,279 where happiness comes from. 1135 00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:58,989 I find it very hard. 1136 00:52:59,909 --> 00:53:03,349 For me, and this is why I respect mediums so much, 1137 00:53:03,689 --> 00:53:06,189 it's hard to take that information that's given 1138 00:53:06,189 --> 00:53:09,139 to you because you have to co mingle your energy with 1139 00:53:09,139 --> 00:53:12,699 theirs to get the message and deliver it to the sitter. 1140 00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:17,719 And what happens is at this point is that stays 1141 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,989 with me and resonates with me for a few hours. 1142 00:53:20,779 --> 00:53:24,379 And whatever that emotion is, whether it's sadness or 1143 00:53:24,379 --> 00:53:28,419 whether it's, um, regret or guilt or what have you, that 1144 00:53:28,489 --> 00:53:30,149 sits with me for a long time. 1145 00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:33,009 And I have to isolate myself from my family. 1146 00:53:33,009 --> 00:53:36,049 Sometimes it's even anger and I have to stay away and I just 1147 00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:37,259 have to wait for it to end. 1148 00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,239 And I just found happiness. 1149 00:53:39,529 --> 00:53:42,659 So maybe I'll go back to that one day, but for me right now, 1150 00:53:42,659 --> 00:53:46,449 it's more about helping people find their own spirituality 1151 00:53:46,689 --> 00:53:48,129 and have their own awakening. 1152 00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:51,529 And that's really more about where my focus is today. 1153 00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:53,709 Rod Bland: So you've, you've gone through quite an 1154 00:53:53,709 --> 00:53:56,559 evolution, especially sort of fighting these constant 1155 00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:59,859 messages that you were getting from the other side it seems. 1156 00:54:00,259 --> 00:54:02,419 What advice would you have if you could give 1157 00:54:02,419 --> 00:54:05,339 advice to 25 year old Ray, knowing what you know now? 1158 00:54:05,939 --> 00:54:07,059 Ray Catania: You know, what's ironic. 1159 00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,179 I work with a lot of 25 year olds, their parents send 1160 00:54:10,179 --> 00:54:12,959 them to me because they're in that college age where 1161 00:54:12,959 --> 00:54:15,829 they're confused about what they're going to do next. 1162 00:54:16,329 --> 00:54:19,049 And it, it really overloads them quite a bit. 1163 00:54:19,669 --> 00:54:21,589 And what I tell them is. 1164 00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:23,729 It doesn't make any damn bit of difference. 1165 00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:26,449 It really doesn't because whatever you do 1166 00:54:26,449 --> 00:54:28,399 today, you're going to reinvent yourself again. 1167 00:54:28,399 --> 00:54:30,299 You're going to reinvent yourself again, and it's 1168 00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:31,679 meant to be done that way. 1169 00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:35,119 So you can become anything. 1170 00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:38,819 Just don't become nothing because whatever you become, 1171 00:54:39,789 --> 00:54:44,349 if you do the techniques, if you believe you, 1172 00:54:44,399 --> 00:54:47,259 something will come from that, a door will open that 1173 00:54:47,259 --> 00:54:49,549 will bring you into the next phase of your life. 1174 00:54:49,759 --> 00:54:52,269 And a door will open that'll bring you into the next phase 1175 00:54:52,269 --> 00:54:55,379 of your life and whatever it is, that's what's right. 1176 00:54:55,874 --> 00:54:58,754 If it feels good and you love it and you enjoy 1177 00:54:58,754 --> 00:55:00,274 it, that's where you go. 1178 00:55:01,124 --> 00:55:03,464 Don't make your determinations based on what you were 1179 00:55:03,464 --> 00:55:04,874 told happiness is. 1180 00:55:05,094 --> 00:55:06,154 It's not money. 1181 00:55:06,764 --> 00:55:07,974 I've been rich and poor. 1182 00:55:09,124 --> 00:55:10,364 It doesn't make any difference. 1183 00:55:10,364 --> 00:55:13,854 You could be just as miserable in both boats, promise. 1184 00:55:14,994 --> 00:55:19,384 So go with what you, your gut, what your insides tell you. 1185 00:55:19,624 --> 00:55:20,864 That's where you go. 1186 00:55:21,124 --> 00:55:22,624 Just don't do nothing. 1187 00:55:23,254 --> 00:55:24,084 Take the step. 1188 00:55:24,449 --> 00:55:26,189 It'll lead to the next step, to the next 1189 00:55:26,189 --> 00:55:27,299 step, to the next step. 1190 00:55:28,249 --> 00:55:31,519 And inertia is the only bad thing. 1191 00:55:31,799 --> 00:55:32,849 You're still alive. 1192 00:55:32,879 --> 00:55:33,769 Now act like it. 1193 00:55:34,849 --> 00:55:38,199 So I see a lot of 25s and I like, I like having 1194 00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:39,169 them as my clients. 1195 00:55:40,009 --> 00:55:42,409 Rod Bland: If people want to get touch with you, Ray, 1196 00:55:42,439 --> 00:55:45,249 like if they have questions for you, what's the best 1197 00:55:45,249 --> 00:55:47,889 way to, for them to do that and just, just give 1198 00:55:47,889 --> 00:55:49,439 us a summary of everything you've got going on. 1199 00:55:49,439 --> 00:55:50,839 I know you've mentioned your books and anything 1200 00:55:50,839 --> 00:55:52,059 else that you have as well. 1201 00:55:52,444 --> 00:55:52,734 Ray Catania: Sure. 1202 00:55:53,024 --> 00:55:54,794 Uh, at RayCatania. 1203 00:55:54,814 --> 00:55:55,314 com. 1204 00:55:55,464 --> 00:55:57,574 That is, I'm going to roll out a new website, but you 1205 00:55:57,574 --> 00:55:58,694 can still go there now. 1206 00:55:58,734 --> 00:56:01,234 And there's a couple of ways to contact me on there. 1207 00:56:01,764 --> 00:56:04,624 And if you're interested in coaching with me, um, or 1208 00:56:04,624 --> 00:56:07,264 just, you have a question, you can go through that website 1209 00:56:07,264 --> 00:56:08,294 and get in touch with me. 1210 00:56:08,654 --> 00:56:11,174 The information about the books are up there. 1211 00:56:11,444 --> 00:56:14,044 Um, you can buy them on Amazon. 1212 00:56:14,044 --> 00:56:15,694 You can buy them Barnes and Noble. 1213 00:56:15,724 --> 00:56:18,544 They're actually sold in 62 countries I understand 1214 00:56:18,544 --> 00:56:20,254 right now in all formats. 1215 00:56:20,804 --> 00:56:23,044 Um, the second book isn't audible yet, but 1216 00:56:23,064 --> 00:56:25,944 every other format is available in both books. 1217 00:56:26,444 --> 00:56:28,554 And um, I would be honored and grateful 1218 00:56:28,554 --> 00:56:29,644 if anyone purchased it. 1219 00:56:29,644 --> 00:56:30,334 So thank you. 1220 00:56:30,844 --> 00:56:34,414 And, um, and, uh, yeah, that's, uh, I'm looking 1221 00:56:34,414 --> 00:56:37,864 forward to rolling out the new website and speaking 1222 00:56:37,864 --> 00:56:41,714 to more people and helping whoever I can because I, I, 1223 00:56:41,934 --> 00:56:45,444 what I have right now, what I know I've, I've got to, I've 1224 00:56:45,704 --> 00:56:47,084 got to give it to somebody. 1225 00:56:47,144 --> 00:56:48,504 I have to give it to people. 1226 00:56:50,404 --> 00:56:52,264 I know that's, I know that's my calling. 1227 00:56:53,389 --> 00:56:55,369 Rod Bland: And have you got any final message 1228 00:56:55,369 --> 00:56:56,549 that you want to leave with people before we 1229 00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:57,639 wrap up the conversation? 1230 00:56:59,574 --> 00:57:01,184 Ray Catania: Um, final message. 1231 00:57:01,184 --> 00:57:02,374 Remember, we're all one. 1232 00:57:02,984 --> 00:57:06,044 Remember that because, you know, when you go 1233 00:57:06,044 --> 00:57:07,334 back to the other side 1234 00:57:07,384 --> 00:57:11,144 you're going to realize that we are all connected 1235 00:57:11,144 --> 00:57:15,314 through this energetic life force and, you know, 1236 00:57:16,404 --> 00:57:19,634 do something positive for someone every day. 1237 00:57:19,644 --> 00:57:22,464 Also do something positive for yourself every day. 1238 00:57:23,054 --> 00:57:24,744 So self care is important. 1239 00:57:25,174 --> 00:57:27,354 Take care of yourself, do one selfish thing for 1240 00:57:27,354 --> 00:57:30,634 yourself every day and then do one thing for someone 1241 00:57:30,644 --> 00:57:32,364 else every single day. 1242 00:57:32,874 --> 00:57:35,154 And remember that harming anybody else, 1243 00:57:35,264 --> 00:57:38,164 you're harming yourself because we're all one. 1244 00:57:39,124 --> 00:57:40,534 We're all one. 1245 00:57:41,409 --> 00:57:42,729 Rod Bland: I like that as a task list. 1246 00:57:42,749 --> 00:57:45,189 One selfish thing, one thing for someone else, 1247 00:57:45,399 --> 00:57:47,909 tick both those and you're good for the day. 1248 00:57:48,499 --> 00:57:49,359 It's a good message. 1249 00:57:49,969 --> 00:57:51,929 Ray, it's been my pleasure to have you on the show today. 1250 00:57:51,929 --> 00:57:53,399 I really appreciate you taking the time. 1251 00:57:54,354 --> 00:57:55,624 Ray Catania: I can't thank you enough Rod. 1252 00:57:55,624 --> 00:57:56,524 Thank you so much. 1253 00:57:56,614 --> 00:57:57,234 My pleasure.